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[Music] um we were just talking before we started rolling about mike glover who's a guy online who uh he's also real life he is a real life person too he's not just he's not just an animated character i've met him he gets uh he gets a lot of censorship right don't they censor the [ __ ] out of him don't they uh shadow ban him and [ __ ] with his post he teaches you preparedness right yeah so he owns field craft survival which i would describe as preparedness not to be confused with preppers which i don't think is has to be a pejorative term there's a fine line okay yeah it's a lot of the end of the world people right it's a lot of if you're burying a school bus in your backyard and you have like fields of fire and [ __ ] bazookas hidden everywhere it's you've taken it too far having a medical kit in your car and some first aid training like hey i can stop bleeding until a higher level of care yes i think that's great so that's preparedness but mike owns field cla field craft survival he talks about getting censored a lot of people talk about getting censored in shadow band i can't make heads or tails as to whether or not that is how how true it is yeah i'm with you i'm with you on that some people's stuff is [ __ ] boring so the engagement should be lower that's so true but everybody wants to think they're so important they're put on a list have you ever seen somebody complaining about being shadow band and they have under 100 followers because i have really [ __ ] glorious i'm being shadow banned i only have seven likes i'm like that's actually a seven percent engagement it's pretty good dude i do think it's highly likely that they take people and put them on certain lists though where you you don't get distributed as widely but i think what it is it's like if they feel like you have controversial content they don't want to put you in that search function area like say instagram for instance you know like if you go to the search area of instagram you'll discover a bunch of new people
and new pages i don't think i'm ever in that you know yeah i think i talk too much [ __ ] and i swear and i show animals getting eaten yeah the good stuff that's the stuff that i'm in for instagram for um it's like nature is metal like that that's a good page that's a great [ __ ] up that's a great page but nobody you're never gonna find that in the search like this you have to completely spell it out don't you yeah and you're gonna go looking for nature's metal that that's one of my go-to everyday pages i go straight there see what's what's the new horrific example of survival of fittest i'm actually currently very deep into watching people eat [ __ ] on mountain bikes oh one of my absolute favorites those poor kids that do the flips and then land poorly it's not even that we're talking full just heroic charges down these hills just cambered out and then the bike is going over the last thing you see is the body folding in half on the tree and the bike coming off it's awesome it's taking me a long time to curate my feed to show me mostly these things it's work because it knows andy likes violence oh i don't know if that's violence that's just uh chaos human beings yeah exploring their flexibility it's uh what's what's i'm sure there's a lot of good ones out there here's the thing though about guys like mike i think there we go oh yeah oh kid oh and he's tied up in the bike oh i saw a bad one the other day with a skateboard i think we played it on the podcast right where the dude wiped out and he wiped out a skateboard and hit some sort of a sign post and it ripped his leg in half and his the bones of his leg were poking out of his shin and just like oh so here's the question for you if mike's on that list who just who decides who gets to go on that's the thing i think you know if you ever pay attention to that and that project veritas stuff where they've done
undercover camera work with people that work on social media and that talk openly there's a project veritas has quite a few of these undercover expose interviews where they'll have like a reporter who is uh you know pretending they're on a date with a guy and then the guy will explain like what they do in terms of how they shadow ban people how they keep people's pages from showing up and how they keep their engagement low so it is a thing whether it's a thing on facebook or instagram or twitter which one does it the most and how they do it i don't know but it is a thing and they do it with uh primarily with conservative pages they do it uh they do it if they think that i think they probably ramp it up around the time where elections come around because they want to make sure that you know these people don't have as much in like if you think about engagement if you have a page and your page is a let's say it's a pro hillary clinton page and hillary clinton is running for president and you engage with a lot of people and your your your page gets a lot of traction if they can slow down your page traction slow down the amount of engagement that you have they can slow down the amount of people who might be influenced to vote for hillary clinton and say if you have a half a million followers or something significant like that that could play out in whatever voting area you're in by a hundred votes a thousand votes like who knows well especially if people start sharing because the content can go beyond that yeah it's interesting to me though you look at a guy like mike so very similar pipeline to evan uh devon haver blackwell evan hafer black rifle coffee green beret first so they went the army path and they won't both went and contracted for what i'll call some alphabet soup organizations millions of dollars put into their training multiple deployments around you know combat theaters around the world and even to theaters before combat is there to whether you know prep the battle space or train a far uh
partner force you know doing their fed the foreign internal defense but then they get on social media and people want to not allow them to speak about the things that maybe they have learned and experienced during that time period yeah millions of dollars of training an incredible amount of experience but you want to silence that voice and i'm not saying all those voices some of the people who pursue those occupations are out of their goddamn mind they're sociopathic for sure but i just i find it interesting that uh they'll put so much emphasis in one direction and then try to shut them down we should explain to people that don't know you that you're a navy seal i am not a navy seal i was a navy's feel in a different lifetime former navy that's correct a different lifetime isn't that interesting because it is kind of a different lifetime if you thought like you think of things you've done in your past those are different lifetimes different relationships you've had different jobs that you've had those really kind of were different lives it was almost 10 years ago yeah yeah i got out the last day of june 2013. so in about a year it'll be are you even the same guy you think you're the same person from 10 years ago emotional intelligence i'm still the same idiot um obviously some more laps on the body at least wear and tear for sure but i mean i look back into my 20s i don't recognize the person i was no and i looked back into my 30s and i think i was getting a better understanding of who i was but now approaching my mid-40s i think i'm finally coming into a place where i'm more comfortable with who i am and things make more sense completely different person every decade i would say yeah i would agree and for me i'm in my 50s this is the most mature i've ever been as a person obviously most mature in terms of like actual real age mature but it's also the most i've gotten my emotions and my brain and everything my discipline all of it
dialed in under control what age would you give yourself maturity wise 54. i'm actually really a 54 year old no i mean like the inside joe that no i'm like yeah i know i'm 20. 21. i'm like 12. so there's the driver's license age and then that's how i act it's in terms of how i treat people i'm like 54. but in terms of like my childish uh like i like to poke fun i like to have a good time i like to talk [ __ ] that's like still very immature but awesome yeah i'm very immature in that way yeah no doubt it's because you're a man yeah that's that's a part of it too yeah i'll probably peak at 18 maturity wise yeah in my well i don't think i'll hit my 80s but my 70s you'll be 18 in terms of maturity if i'm lucky uh what's scary when i look back is in my 20s i also feel like i am making up for a little bit of lost time because i was so focused on my old job for a very long period of time to the exclusion of everything else and a lot of things suffered and it's taken me a long time to come back around and realize um i forget who who had said it um but it was we were known having a conversation they basically said hey here's the bottom line the job suffers last always you'll sacrifice personal relationships you'll sacrifice marriages and loved ones you'll miss birthdays you'll miss holidays because the job suffers last and when you're living that life you don't realize it in my 20s and early 30s it was just completely front sight focused and then now looking back it uh you miss out on some stuff for sure and there's some consequences that you're gonna have to make amends for i think that's something that a lot of people find if they're obsessed with whatever their career is whether they're a pro athlete or whether you're a navy seal or i mean i would imagine any anybody that works in business at a very high level you make sacrifices that if you have a family and you're working 16 hours a day as a ceo of a company what kind of family do you really have i mean what paper family yeah what kind of connection are you able to really truly
have with your children are you really there when they get home from school how can you be you know are you are you aware if your phone is constantly ringing and you're you are obligated to answer those calls and you ever see that show succession on hbo do you ever watch it no it's a very good show i love it we just finished it today uh third season um but it's basically about this billionaire family and they're all dysfunctional and it doesn't sound good on paper but in real life it's [ __ ] awesome it's like one of the best written best acted shows i think i've ever seen but like the life that these people live it's like some it's like a rupert murdoch type character who runs this gigantic media conglomerate if you're that kind of a person your life is that that's your life there's no other way to do that job and i think that's probably in your old line of work very similar and for anybody that wants to excel if you want to be a high performer at any very difficult job very competitive job you're gonna if you're gonna really be at your best you're gonna give up a lot of stuff you're gonna miss out a lot of stuff yeah i think the mistake is not realizing that you're missing out on it which is the lie that i told myself i think looking back in my 20s and 30s you know all my kids are young it's gonna be fine like i have to go on this deployment like you you know complete focus in that direction and uh i think if you're going to be a high performer like you said you have there is probably a lot of sacrifice i wonder though if those people the robert murdocks are they on their deathbed are they happy i mean are they looking back with regret and wishing they had spent more time with their family it's a good question because what is success like right it's a relative thing because success without happiness is not really successful but a certain level of success plus happiness is probably more successful than more financial success and no happiness like you're probably better off being in the middle
than being at the top for a lot of things most people don't want to be in the middle well certainly when it comes to competitive endeavors they don't want to like i was watching this documentary on um there's a great documentary on marvin hagler sugar it's called the kings i think it's called the kings it's showtime it's on marvin hagler sugar ray leonard and tommy hearns and it's all about when they were um all battling against each other when it was you know the really golden era for both the welterweight in the middleweight divisions yeah that's what it is the kings great i can't recommend it enough when i was a kid uh i was uh just a gigantic marvin hagler fan i'm i love duran i love sugar ray leonard and tommy hearns too but hagler when i was a kid was the man because he was from massachusetts as i was and i would remember reading about what he would do it he would go into complete isolation obviously these are pre this is pre-cell phone days but he wouldn't see his children at all during training camp he wouldn't see his wife he wouldn't see any he did no idea was going on so he would miss birthdays he'd miss some of his children's births he wouldn't be there for when his his kids were born he just was focused completely on being the champ and he goes down in history as one of the greatest of all time because of that but it's like is that what you want you know do you do you want do if you want to be marvin hagler you want to be that guy who was just when you would see guys when they'd step into that ring and they would look across the street and look across the ring at pure determination pure will pure discipline and championship discipline it's like that that's why he was who he was i mean there's there's only one marvin hagler there's only one guy like that yeah i would never discourage anybody from doing that my advice would just be pay attention to what it is you might be missing and make an effort to
maybe close that circle later on in life i mean i'm in a different phase right i'm living a different life at this point and i have the opportunity at least in theory you know to try to close some of those gaps that i might have missed um because my kids were younger so i think i was able to get away with a lot i mean i remember the last appointment i did i kissed my daughter goodbye in a crib you know that's how how young she was she doesn't have any memory of that my boys do but there's still uh there's still work that needs to be done to close that circle up so yeah that's a different story right the the the circle of having this insane dedication and ignoring children because you don't you don't get those times back like you get times back with your friends like if you don't see your friends for a couple years like i have friends where i can miss them i don't see him for two years we run into each other within five minutes we're back to where we were and we're just having fun and having a great time there's no issues but the the developmental process of a child is so critical and like being around kids when they're young you never get that back well there's being there and then there's being there and this is also a mistake that i made too i was fortunate i was at all the births of my kids i didn't miss our rotation cycle for whatever reason i was home for thanksgiving and christmas i don't think i missed one but there is a difference between being physically present and mentally present and that is one where i know looking back i would not give myself the highest of marks again the job suffers last and that's not an excuse by any stretch and people should judge me harshly for that but at the same time it's also allows i mean it's what allows you to go and focus on and do those things yeah because i don't if i had not had that level of focus i mean we're spinning off into hypothesis but who knows what would have happened you know it could either cost me my life or what would have
actually been worse in my opinion is it costing somebody else their life and that's real if you're in that kind of a job you cannot have distractions you can it doesn't work out well yeah or you get [ __ ] can't yeah i mean the the standards and the tolerances they're tight and people will get bench sometimes and given time to work on whatever it is they need to work on and from my understanding the modern day teams are doing a much better job of integrating the overall family unit which i actually think will make the guys even more lethal if you know your family's taken care of if your family is healthy if you have a good communication dynamic and things are well when you go overseas it lets you put even more mental horsepower into what's going on over there that makes sense yeah um but it's interesting occupation every time somebody says hey andy i want to be a seal like awesome let's talk about other jobs that you might be interested in like any other job is there a like when terms of like qualified candidates is are there less now than ever before or more i'm a little bit detached from the process so it's like second or third hand but i don't think there is a lack of people signing up to do the job um but qualified candidates i mean qualified physically i mean more than physical right but the initial pipeline is a very it's very physical you know people say you know the physical part is 10 and the mental aspect is 90 and you can put whatever ratio you want to it it's challenging for both but the first thing the program does is it grinds people into dust that's what it's designed to do physically and that will expose a lot of mental weaknesses and all i can really say is that the big end of the the siphon is very full the bottom end the smaller end of the
siphon is still spitting out the exact same number of people so i think it's working um i would say there's not a i don't think there's a lack of qualified people my concern would be and this is not based on anything that i have necessarily seen but just kind of watch in the world that i think people may be perhaps pursuing that type of occupation for very different perhaps more self-serving reasons now like what's what kind of reasons you ever seen a movie or a book about the post 9 11 era joe yeah do you think that people really enlisting and and and trying to go through the process so that they could eventually write books i don't know if that would be in the forefront of their mind i think people might be enlisting and pursuing those jobs for the fanfare that could potentially come from them oh christ well when you reward them yeah and here's the thing i found more information about the seal teams through a documentary called navy seals starring charlie sheen than any other movie it's the [ __ ] greatest seal movie ever i found out dick marchenko's books back when i was a kid so that's actually what led me to uh the movie navy seals and i would just recommend people go and look at the hair on those gentlemen [ __ ] top-notch just constantly manicured i don't know about the uh you know the telemarketer headsets that they're wearing that don't respond well to water or sweat i would probably pass on that yes look at him oh look how good his hair looks my hair's never looked that good ever what's that scarf supposed to match let's talk about this for a second whatever it is it's dope as [ __ ] and i need one in my life no you don't i swear to god if i saw you wearing one of those i would at least attempt to choke you with it i'm gonna wear at the range at the range to keep shells from going in my neck bro now we got vietnam era woodland camo with oh [ __ ] cigarette butt i mean yeah look at him he was a beautiful man so right can we agree to that charles sheen
oh for sure in that picture he is a beautiful man look i mean imagine you are pretending to be navy seal yeah you have weight lifting gloves on it looks like yep fingerless of course like the dice how long after this that hot shots come out because it completely parodied this movie it's good for 10 to 15 years probably no it was like a year later that's a very good shot in the 90s making fun of himself that is a straight-up telemarketer headset no doubt about it whatsoever yeah that is not a headset you wear in the field right that i'm not joking though so i was able to find uh the dick marcinko books i was able to find a book called look at that mp5 sd [ __ ] get some no magazine no magazine why doesn't it have a magazine it's like hey [ __ ] what's in that pouch on your shoulder what the [ __ ] do you carry on your shoulder does it have a magazine how is he there he goes he's got a mag in that one oh finally got a magazine oh my god that's hilarious i did a telemarketer headset's killing me oh my god i did a breakdown of this with callan and i had him narrate the scenes and he was like deep into it talking about angles he was completely and utterly wrong with everything that he said brian's the best oh yeah yeah but i mean mp5 sd so that's a pistol round that's a nine millimeter oh yeah that's a nine millimeter cartridge but it's so big what's so big it looks like you could carry more like you should probably like beef it up i think it's a 30 i mean it's still going to be shooting a pistol oh my god the jump scene look at these guys so in the history of the seal teams there has never been a skydive into a [ __ ] drager dive like there are so many things so what they're wearing in front of that's a lar-five drager that's a rebreather the green bottle underneath is pure oxygen inside of the black like little clam shell thing is a container that has either probably softened lime or sodasorb and it scrubs the carbon dioxide out of your breathing system so that the black cable going around their neck or not cable hose
it's an inhalation and exhalation hose so you purge all of the uh carbon dioxide out of your system and you're breathing puro too and so there's no bubbles right so what they're saying is we're gonna skydive in to a jump and then be super sneaky on the way in so we don't have any bubbles that's not possible it's very possible and it's happened precisely zero [ __ ] times how come because it's dangerous you're combining like multiple different things and but he's charlie sheen he is charlie sheen that movie is fantastic it legitimately i've watched it probably 200 times most of that was before the age of 18 though and i had the dick marsenko books and that and that's what led me so i'm not i'm not hating on the people that do write the books because that was my initial intro and and information to lead me towards that but the volume of them and how there's a culture about around being a veteran and and people will be very upset about that and maybe to some degree i fall into that because i was a veteran too but there are people who make their entire living upon what they did in the past the vet you know the brovet culture and all that and again people can do it whatever they want to with their experiences but when i was joining there was there was none of that it was hard for me to find information and now the information is almost overwhelming and i don't want to rob that of from people because like i said it's the same path that i took but there is also an unhealthy desire for people to be elevated in their status and use that occupation for that and i and again i don't have any data to support it but i would be worried that perhaps people people's reasons for joining is shifting um that makes sense right like they they see the glory so they go towards the glory you know that's uh one of the things that people from the early days of mma one of the things that they really liked is that there was no money not that they liked that there was no money but they
liked that everybody who was competing was doing it for a pure reason they were doing it to test themselves i mean they were doing it because they really wanted to see how their skills stacked up inside the octagon it's pretty tough to get punched in the face for free a lot of guys did it for the right reason though it separates the wheat from the chaff pretty quickly yeah i mean if you want to compete like uh like amateur fighters you think about how many guys are fighting amateur and they're out there getting kicked and punched and strangled and they're not getting a goddamn penny hard pass yeah that's the reason why they're doing it though they're doing it for the right reasons they're doing it to excel i completely and utterly support that and i think that you i think that everybody should go through that phase in their life where you see where you want to go and you're kidding just your dick stomped into the dirt and you're not being rewarded for it in any way and you have to struggle and fight and just grind your way to that end state yeah i'm a firm believer that those uncomfortable experiences of failure are they are so critical to your development as a human being and not just your development in whatever the endeavor of choices but your development as a human being that if you don't have those the people that seek too much comfort if you don't have those rough experiences you don't develop properly those people who seek too much comfort they don't develop right they're like a salamander that never becomes its mature form there's something missing because that on the uncomfortable experience of of failing or being smushed of being overwhelmed by the competition like being completely inadequate completely unprepared completely insufficient to get the job done like that's important to know because otherwise you go through this life where like how many guys out there who have never had any physical altercation with people have this completely distorted perception of what they're capable of doing but they're called game time player joe's they don't need to train
it's just my mentality they see red yeah when the when they start dropping yeah usually after about a 12 pack they just see red get after it there's a lot of people that really believe that and that is precisely because they haven't experienced it resilience can be taught um you know to go back to again you know the my old job people will equate uh or they talk about mental toughness with it a lot and everybody has some degree of mental toughness right like you're you're born with some but i'm a firm believer they can actually be taught as well and we've talked about this offline i think we're at the deseret talking about the theory of keeping your world small right little small chunks and stuff like that the way you set your goals drastically will impact i think the statistical odds of success but also seeking difficult things and finding failure resilience the only way you're going to build resilience is if you push up against things that are hard you know the definition of resilience is an object being pushed from its normal state and returning to that state i think the goal should be returned to that state plus .01 percent but if you always avoid those things how are you ever going to expect to be capable of handling the challenges of life and i think that's where the mental the mental toughness aspect of not the seal community but i would say the military 2 degree but specifically because i can speak to the special operations world you're the pipelines they're just wrought with failure i mean the curriculum is designed to find your weakest point and then exploit it and get in there with a rake and just [ __ ] dig around in your head and it's failure after failure after failure after failure not catastrophic but small failure small punishment and there are people who see that as a roadblock and they quit and there are people who see that as a motivation and they move forward and if you can
if you can grasp your head around those principles i mean it puts you in a place where you're able to accomplish things that'll make people scratch their head yeah but it can all be taught it can be but you have to seek that you have to seek that and you have to be you have to be accustomed to the experience of trying to do things and failing trying to do things and getting maybe a little bit better looking back six months you're better than you were then looking back a year later you're better than you were then and being able to trust that process and just keep grinding people want instantaneous satisfaction they want instant advancement they want to you know like they want to know that if they take 10 classes they get a stripe on their white belt you know and that's just not how the world works i think that's why i like jiu jitsu so much not because of the 10 classes and you get a stripe on your white belt but you it's the growth is incremental at best at best at the best the best the best way to ensure more than incremental growth though is to do the difficult stuff um drilling roll with a dude who know you know is just going to hand you your lunch i don't know if that's the best way no i don't mean like like rough hand your lunch the dude everybody to include myself like you go to the gym you're like god damn it like bob's bob's here it never goes my way when i roll with bob so i'm not gonna it's like no you need to go roll with the guy that you know is probably going to beat you accept the fact that you're going to get beat i don't mean getting mauled even though i do believe there's time and place for that too but that's your body will tell you like and this happens i think professionally as well too because it happens to me i'll fire up the inbox like god damn it i don't want to answer that email because i don't want to talk about that topic so that's exactly what i actually should probably be attacking
jiu jitsu i think is just more of a physical expression yeah i think um being with a guy like the bob's of the world it's it's a great litmus test too you need those tests you need to know you need to have like a real idea of where you're at like there's i remember when i was a white belt there was guys that i would roll with that would just smush me and then by the time i got to be like a brown belt i could either stalemate them or i could occasionally tap them yeah and the same guys used to smush me i could tap and that's a crazy feeling of knowing that it's this long journey of over a decade of getting strangled and your [ __ ] ass handed to you that you do you do make progress but willingly go ask another man to choke in nearly unconscious it's not kinky that's what it is it's the it's not a decade for everybody i didn't i didn't train as much as some folks do like like you know some folks are training every single day like bourdain when he was uh really into jiu jitsu he was telling me that he was taking a private every day for an hour and then he was taking a class every day after the private every day so about two hours of training a day two hours plus every day how old was he when he felt 58 [ __ ] 58 smoking cigarettes overweight had high blood pressure was on statins he took statins because we had a conversation about that too because he did not want to stop eating the kind of food that he loved and he had high blood pressure and he had high cholesterol i can respect that decision well he was a food freak man i mean that was his [ __ ] occupation was traveling around the world and he said i you know i'm not going to stop eating this food i mean this is literally what i enjoy most in life i travel these places i have these amazing dishes like why would i stop doing that i'll just take whatever pill they have and i'm like i get it there like most people they would tell you you know i'd rather take a pill and i don't want to make any lifestyle changes i'd be like oh man like what what are the downsides that i don't know what the downsides of statins are i don't know and matter of fact didn't david sinclair talk about
the upsides of statins wasn't that something that he had brought up i know i've read things i'm not sure but the point is like for most people i'd say man you know make some lifestyle changes but for him i was like okay i get it but when he started training every day and he was training two plus hours a day he got off everything he didn't need any medication that's all in a crazy volume at 58 years old he's an animal it was an animal yeah oh he that one hurts me that one hurts me how far did he use a blue belt okay he was good he was good man guy was an animal and he he was very proud of the fact that he could really be a hard role he goes like you know he goes i was a good role how tall and heavy was he he's pretty tall um i think i i think he was like six two or six three one ninety-ish he looked a little towards the end yeah towards uh because he got very ripped there's a picture of him walking down uh the street somewhere with no shirt on with the ex with his ex with the you know i guess the girl he was dating when he died or was i think they were broken out when he died i mean he was like full six-pack which is crazy because at that age yeah i aspire to be able to do that yeah i'm sure he wasn't on the match you know are you trying to say it was more than chicken breast and broccoli juice yes i think he had some help in fact i encouraged him to here he goes like look at that holy [ __ ] yeah bro legit yeah well tony was an addict right so he had heard that about him addicted to not just look at him an iggy pop he was addicted to not just things that were bad for you but also things that were good for you you know that's something bj penn told me too bj penn told me he was having a conversation with this guy who was a huge fan of his who was addicted to jiu jitsu and he was saying to bj like i got my black belt in three years just like you and he goes man he goes you're dedicated he goes no man i'm addicted i'm addicted
just like you and he goes and then i realized like yeah that's what's going on i was addicted i'm addicted i i think there's an aspect of that and i also think that there are people who use it as a coping mechanism they'll dive into that as opposed to having the hard conversations with themselves or putting the work in because all they're doing it actually goes back to what we were talking about before they're working so hard on one thing to the exclusion of others that's true so it's uh i mean i don't have nearly enough experience to comment on jiu jitsu as a whole or anybody else's journey in it but from the conversations i've had with coaches that i respect they have all kind of either experienced that a little bit that level of dedication or seen other people who every other aspect of their life is falling apart but they'll spend three to four hours a day on the mats yeah so i can i mean i can see it is addicting it's [ __ ] awesome i wish i had found it 30 years ago yeah how are you still injured you had like an elbow thing that was keeping you from doing good are you that's called just not tapping joe it's a theory that nobody should uh explore and recommend but it's hard to not tap or it's hard it was it was my own fault it came on faster than i thought it would um so yeah i mean it came out faster the the the armor yeah it was fine i also could have uh started to tap before my arm was straight there's a lot of things that i could have done so is it still [ __ ] up or is it better we're good i'm good now it's good but it kept you from doing archery for a while right it happened right before the archery season two years ago oh no which the first thing i did was go try to pick up my bow because it was of course my holding arm and i go to pick it up and yeah that's not happening i could have drawn it but it would have just drawn it directly into my face did you use uh peptides or anything i told you i'm scared of [ __ ] needles i'm not gonna shoot myself up is that real that's real i don't like needles what's wrong with me what is the needle thing i don't understand that one i
don't know why do some people like chocolate ice cream and not vanilla i can't explain it i i think it's so funny because this is one of the things that comes up a lot with uh covet vaccines people go are you scared of needles i'm like no i'm not scared of needles like what the [ __ ] would i be scared of needles some people are scared of needles well let me rephrase it i don't have any problem with shots and we did like a bunch of iv training and then which paid off awesome when we were hungover i don't have a problem getting shots what you were describing would be me having to shoot inject myself that bothers you i would pass out really oh 100 just straight auger i just or i'd have to sit there and like count down from 10. like 10 9. okay i'll start over 10. that's wild i just can't i look at my body like it's made out of play-doh i just stick the needles in really yeah it doesn't even that does not work for me when i had like a tennis elbow and i would like put the bpc157 into there i would just stick it right in there and just squirt it in there you're a unique man joe i don't think that's that unique i think it's uh the the needle thing is i don't know what it is but for some people they're like really tough people that's an issue the needle thing's an issue it's an issue if i have to do it myself i don't have a problem with shots or blood draws or stuff like that i used to date a girl and uh her her whole family had a thing where they would see things and they would faint like the dad was like goats like the fading goats like the dad was a dentist and one day his son got sunburned and he had blisters and the dad saw the blisters and just [ __ ] dropped dead just fainted not dead you know fainted yeah and and i was like what your dad just faints i go your dad's a [ __ ] dennis how's he just faint and so one time her and i went to the movies and in the movie someone was shooting heroin and the person sticks the needle into their arm and plunges the hair and she just blacks out at the movie theater and
i'm like what the [ __ ] is going on so it's like some really strange it seems like it's a genetic thing like her and her dad would just fall asleep rando i hope they didn't see that [ __ ] when they were driving i know right i mean that's a rough life if you just randomly see things and pass out yeah i would get that checked out some people pass out though right when they see things that are [ __ ] up they pass out what is that what i mean what shock i think yeah but like what kind of like evolutionary benefit would there ever be in blacking out when you see something that's stunning i don't know don't you ever watch videos of fainting goats i don't think there's any evolutionary benefit but it happens yeah they are they're the best they're not as good as people on you know mountain bikes eating [ __ ] but my dog caught a possum a few months ago and uh you play dead yeah it plays dead but they i thought they played dead but apparently they go into shock and they just lay there and they think that it might increase their benefit like increase their their chances rather of survival because some animals when they attack them will stop attacking them if they don't move so when the animal attacks them like like a wolf or something will shake them and if they don't just lay perfectly still they'll think they're dead already and they might have a chance of survival that's better than fighting back i think i would fight back with the wolf that thing's gonna eat your face well did you fight back with a wall what's the point wolf's gonna [ __ ] you up no matter what climb a tree reflex ves vasovagal faints or reflex faints yeah apparently are unique to humans oh so other animals obviously faint but we're such a bitch-ass species this is such a big species we're basically water balloons vasovagal faints are essentially essentially a protective mechanism reflex faints are activated by the nervous system which slows down the heart rate or lowers blood pressure response to strain leading to reduced blood flow to the brain i bet people who faint like that can get choked out easy
triggers for this can be surprisingly benign for some people laughing coughing swallowing urinating urinating imagine you take a leak and you just black out oh don't keep going or blowing a trumpet well blowing a trumpet like if you're going like dizzy gillespie when i was a kid i went to see dizzy gillespie live i saw him live it's the craziest [ __ ] ever do you know who dizzy gillespie is no not a clue dizzy gillespie was a jazz trumpeter like a legendary jazz trumpeter whose cheeks would blow up he actually did it in a way that it's like not how they teach you they don't teach you to fill your face up with air but he did it and it became a part of his signature so we went to see him uh when i lived in san francisco we went to see him play and his cheeks would blow up like i mean it looks like he's got a softball on each side of his mouth was he able to play the trumpet differently than anybody else because of that i don't know enough about trumpet to answer that question of that he was awesome he was awesome but that's not the way they teach you to do it like they teach you to uh keep your like mouth shut because i remember i took a class music class on trumpet playing and while when i was in the class i was like remembering how dizzy gillespie did it and i was like that's crazy like this guy's a legend and he did it the total opposite because you're not supposed to fill your face up with air you're supposed to like like what's the correct find out what's the correct technique for blowing a trumpet because i think you're supposed to keep your mouth closed and keep everything tight you're definitely not supposed to fill your face up with air but dizzy might have been self-taught how to um form a trumpet wow how do you say that word and bouchure in brochure and brochure how to play the trumpet click that okay click that let's see i wonder if there is an agreed-upon best technique this is a gentleman called the black trumpeter in front of a
using the front-facing camera on your phone so you can practice forming your embouchure in one motion like this like you're about to spit he's doing like a bill cosby jello pudding and lastly flatten our chin so that things shape that's the way you're supposed to play the flat face right so then you look at dizzy give me some dizzy glass because you could hear it holy sh look at his neck yeah yeah like all the way the back of his neck would fill up with air so when you see him well that's not how you're supposed to do it but yet he's a legend a legend doing it his own way there's always going to be an outlier like that right there's some weird [ __ ] in the archery world too like there's no yeah there's a 90 everybody should do like this and then there's some weirdo doing it some other way at an incredibly high level yeah well you know john dudley is a big proponent of the surprise shot right they're all using like hinge releases or all kinds of releases you pull through the shot and you get a surprise shot but cam haynes just hits the trigger he just lines it up and he just hits the trigger and he's the best bow hunter alive so like i mean i think if you spend enough time yeah dedicating yourself to it you can get to that level yeah you know i think anybody who says this works for everybody is immediately full of [ __ ] yeah i think so too i think that's with everything i mean with martial arts you see that there's people that have like really weird technique and they pull it off but for for some things it's like when you're learning are you hitting oh there's a cough button i got a cough button i don't even have to cough but i don't want to hit that button there's a little red button right hit the button and start talking talk and then hit the button yeah right here yeah yeah i gotta upgrade the students like a professional
studio it's closed i'll just take notes get other stuff but you should learn the right way like there's a reason why like you should when you throw a right hand you should turn your whole body into it and you know it should be lined up with your shoulders and pushing off the floor you could [ __ ] people up without doing that though there's guys that hit so hard they can hit you with like poor technique all you need to do is go on youtube and put in there cold [ __ ] and you're going to see the shittiest technique ever and people getting flatlined yeah sure yeah easy putting in cold cocking i mean i don't know about your search [Laughter] cold [ __ ] punch the thing is it doesn't take that much to knock someone out that's what people don't realize you know especially if you don't see it coming how much did you pay attention to your bell getting wrong when you were younger very little yeah i didn't either and i actually have some pretty severe concerns about how the later years of my life might potentially be given my concussion history i had an offer recently to get a brain scan and i panicked because you don't want to know i don't want to know you know it's like uh i had a concussion not last year but the year before went skiing before the pandemic ended or before the pandemic started went skiing and this lady was kind of losing control and sliding into this trail and i was going around the corner and i saw her and she was she was there's no way to get around her and i was like i got a figure and i i had to wipe out i had to just kind of like go around her this way and the skis went up and hit the back of my head off the ground and i was [ __ ] up i mean it was a hard hit that was uh i didn't go unconscious but i definitely got a concussion because i was dizzy for the rest of day and i had a hard time with my coordination like i uh i fell down trying to get on the ski lift and then i couldn't figure out how to get up properly
like like my body wasn't listening right this is l and my daughter's like the [ __ ] is wrong with you embarrassing me it was embarrassing a lady had to grab my arm and help me stand up which is you know i'm a pretty strong person i can get up pretty easy with skis but my body was not listening right and then the rest of the day i was foggy and i was like jesus i didn't need that and i was thinking about all the times that i've had my bell rang did you ever at all just consider nuking that lady and going through her no no i would have killed her i was i was coming around that co now she she was gonna it would have been terrible just curious i'm not no no no it wasn't terrible it would have been terrible it would have been terrible last time i rung my bell it was actually at jujitsu it's again completely my fault and i'm glad at this point i can i'm recognizing my mistakes and avoiding them but i was guy was turtled up and i was on his back too far towards his shoulders he shook you no i got both of my hands involved over that it was either one was over and one was under maybe going for a harness of some kind and completely my fault to do so but he rolled and the first thing that hit was my head and [ __ ] i had a headache for days yeah and same thing like foggy thoughts very distressed sleep i was actually i found myself waking up sweating in the middle of the night it's uh it i'm the the number of head injuries um be very i would actually probably pass as well on the brain scan i don't think i actually want to know i don't want to know look whatever i have right now it's i'm maintaining i don't want to know that it's you know i mean maybe i should get it checked out i don't know you know the thing about those kind of
forward pitch things that freak me out is the neck injury that that freaks me out more than even the head i think oh the head coming back you mean yeah any time there's a movement where weight from two guys is on the the head one of the guys from uh i think it was team alpha male i've heard this happen more than once where someone shoots for a takedown and the other guy gets a guillotine and falls back and so as the guy drives forward with the takedown his head hits first with both of their weight and they paralyze it he broke his neck and he's paralyzed from the neck down i've heard that happen on more than one occasion from that exact specific move a guy shoots in for a double the other guy like just goes with it with the guillotine and you know gets the head to the side and all the weight of the head all the way to the two bodies hits the top of the head and it snaps the neck that sucks [ __ ] man it's that's that's the scariest [ __ ] ever that sucks for both people because you know the person who had the guillotine obviously had no intent to try to do that and you have to live with that weight that would suck well you know anytime you hurt somebody in training like any time like something happens and something someone gets hurt you're always thinking about that next time you're training like whenever you're in a weird position like a tangle of legs and you you know like someone's knee explodes like every time you're in that situation afterwards you're like oh [ __ ] like you're gonna hesitate you're gonna think yeah i've heard that happen only one time on the mat i heard a guy i believe it was his mcl go and uh everybody freezes and then he starts moving his leg a little bit and then brace for the next six to eight weeks yeah it made me sick to my stomach just hearing it i wasn't even directly involved in what was going on i had my acl pop like a carrot it was like it snapped like it sounded like a stick like a stick cracking it was so loud is that a cadaver fix yeah that one was i've had both of them go the left one they did it with the patella tendon graft the right one they did with the cadaver the right one was way quicker it healed quick and with no like real
residual pain the right one was like six months later i was doing jiu jitsu but the left one with the patella tendon graft that was like a whole year before it felt good at least a year can you trust it as much as you would have before yeah it's stronger than it was before it's 150 percent stronger than a regular acl because uh they don't use an acl to the cadaver they use achilles from a dead dude and i said just get the biggest football player or a woman i mean we shouldn't assume what th that they get they use a man 2022. you shouldn't assume it was a dude i was i wanted a dude a big dude take a linebacker off i want some just giant viking [ __ ] achilles tendon give me his [ __ ] screw that in place yeah i've been lucky i've been lucky so far with injuries i haven't had any knee stuff it's i did i roll more defensively after that day you have to i have to because i don't want to spend time off the mat man it's so much fun man i love it it is so fun what belt do you know purple oh [ __ ] moving on up moving on up moving on up how many years of nowhere uh three three and a half and how many days a week eight really now i go like five days a week well eight is to me it's like twice a day once i do i will usually do two hours a day five days a week that's a lot my schedule days and weeks a lot my schedule allows for it yeah and uh so that's usually a class for an hour and then an open mat for an hour wow i love it that's awesome that's awesome i think i like the mental aspect of it more the problem solving i like the fact that it's hard i don't know i don't think i enjoy things as a person they're easy or easy to me i don't find a lot of fulfillment and enrichment from that no no one does i mean what what is good that's easy yeah and plus if you're waking up in the middle of the night still trying to figure out how somebody did that to you right that's you're like you like you're like
oh that [ __ ] i'm gonna get him next time it's the best motivation for cardio i find myself like to this day i'll be on the [ __ ] the air assault bike and i'll be doing those tabata reps and i'll think about someone who tapped me because i was tired like 10 years ago i think about this moment where i know i could have pulled out of a triangle but i was just too [ __ ] exhausted and then i wound up getting tapped i'm like [ __ ] and they're just [ __ ] yeah it's amazing you ever do oh yeah 20 on 10 off for eight rounds it's so effect whoever figured that out i guess his name was tabata dr azudi to bottom what is it what a genius way to expand your cardiovascular capability because it really is genius you can do with anything to include body weight so i used to work for crossfit and one of the first things that they would do is they would give get everybody out air squats tabata air squats and your score was based off the maximum number that you could hold through the eight rounds so if you did 30 air squats in the first round but four in the eighth your score is four oh really and so and most people i think around 20 would be pretty good if that was your first exposure to that though you are gonna be you're gonna be either looking for a wheelchair the next few days or walking like you have no fine motor control over your legs you can do it with the kettlebells tabatas with the dumbbell you can do it sprinting it's it's one of the most effective protocols that i've ever touched i wonder how he figured that out how he figured out that 20 sprint 20 second sprint 10 second rest 20 second sprint 10 second rest have you ever played with like 30 15 or 30 10 no i've only done 20. i haven't either and i don't know why because maybe i don't know i would imagine he messed around with it until he found the optimal i think he was working with racers actually endurance racers my memory might be off on this but i think it had something to do with increasing cardio respiratory capacity without doing long slow distance um pretty sure
i also could be completely wrong well it's it's a weird protocol right like the 20 seconds of going all out and then 10 seconds of rest and 20 seconds of awe but i found when i was doing that for a while i had an injury and i couldn't hit the bag for quite a while and then i was do but it i was still okay to do that and then when i went back to hitting the bag i lost very little in terms of cardiovascular capacity i was like that's pretty impressive it's pretty commonly accepted i think now like long slow distance runners they can maintain what they have if not add to it by doing shorter interval work really yeah i mean i know well i don't know an incredibly high level ones but i know people who can perform at that level and they're not going past like a 400 meter maybe at most some repeats of 800 like one on one off so when you would do tabatas like how many cycles of tobacco like uh on i have a echo bike from rogue i have exactly the same bike that is the [ __ ] yeah that bike is the [ __ ] it is so good and it's so [ __ ] sturdy i was just gonna say i think you could survive a nuclear blast that's so good that's good rogue makes awesome stuff it's so well designed but when i would do uh i would do a cycle of eight so i'd do eight sprints you would do it eight times no i would well i've done that too yeah but you know that's like what's programmed into it that is the traditional tabata interval is eight rounds of 20 on 10 off it should take four minutes yeah so that doesn't seem like a lot of cardio uh i think it depends on how hard you go right but four minutes is still just four minutes yeah you think in terms of like long-term endurance base you didn't you i think you would need to pile volume on top of that right well i've done that i've done eight rounds of that and it's brutal eight rounds of eight reps yeah that's bordering on psychotic yeah but just on that bike you did that i just i've only done it a few times but then you're i'm wrecked for days afterwards for people out here out there listening who think that like oh four minutes is it really that hard i have i have a suggestion go get an empty 45 pound barbell do you know what a thruster is yeah start the front squat
you go all the way down and you drive it overhead for 20 seconds do as many as you can take 10 seconds off and repeat that eight times and let me know how hard do you think four minutes is there's a good chance you'll [ __ ] yourself if you've never done that before yeah there's a lot of things that are really easy the first time you're doing like the very that's not easy though what i mean the first rep oh yeah like 10 reps in you're like i am basically marvel should be making a movie about me yeah i'm thor's bigger brother and then in the third round you're questioning your life choices there's a great kettlebell series uh by this guy keith weber kettlebell cardio extreme and i would do this with either a 35 pound or a 45 pound kettlebell and you pick up a 35 pound kettlebell you're like this is nothing this is so light what what is how's this going to be difficult for me two minutes in you're ready to die and this is like he does i think his program was like a half an hour it's like this crazy half hour workout that basically does your whole body yeah with one kettlebell so with this one dvd and keith is a great guy i've had him on the podcast before with his one kettlebell this one video you you get this insane cardio workout with a single 35-pound kettlebell i owned a gym in coronado when i was still in the military and i would introduce people to the movements with pvc pipe really and i mean what what a simple way because it's linear and you can get them to move and there's no consequences with the weight but you can demolish people with a pvc pipe upon first exposure i'm talking shaking like a dog [ __ ] a razor blade with a six ounce piece of pipe yeah so i think it's all about the exposure it is it's well it's just using your body just body weight stuff with no weight at all there's so many movements that you can do that will crush you just do split squats with just body weights and try to stand up you know like it's hard bodyweight stuff you can you can like when people say i can't afford a gym like guess what you're in luck because you could basically bring your heart to the brink of exploding in a small room with
nothing but your own weight and gravity the first workout i'd so for i would say the first nine years when i was in the military it was back and bias chest and tries and then legs and by that i mean a shirtless round on the beach repeated for like nine years the first time i did a crossfit style workout it was actually um i was introduced to it through mark twight who's an amazing alpinist has done some just spectacular stuff and he's a wealth of knowledge and i forget the exact structure but it was squats a kettlebell swing and pull-ups and it was it started at a high number and it the workout is called jonesworthy and at the end of it i felt i was like okay like my body feels a little bit different the next morning i fell down my stairs because my legs refused to work that's how much it destroyed me i think the workout took like six to eight minutes and i had been around weights my entire adult life and i'm talking to the point where like you need a repel harness to get onto the toilet because like as you're squatting down your legs give out you're gonna blast the ball out behind you it's just like holding on to the door for dear life so you can actually not break the porcelain but do you like is that the best way to get strong or should you build up so that that never happens right you know the pavel tatsulin method like so the greasing the groove method like in his world you never get to that point where you're that broken down for clarity i did it to myself it was a completely new stimulus and i said how hard can this be right me and a buddy and we we're literally crippled for days for clarity but for clarity but if you're going to do it for optimum i would expose people very gradually and i would do a mix of that type of conditioning and pure strength because i can't think of a single uh downside to being strong but you also need to have capacity as well no there's no downside to being strong but you know how do you feel about that like this school of thought like the
pavel school of thought is you never go to failure you just give yourself much more time in between the repetitions you do like if you can do ten you only do five but then you do more sets i don't have the knowledge or experience to even be able to comment on it i mean i messed around and when i owned the gym i was it was a crossfit gym and i was uh administering that type of coaching so i don't have the knowledge base to be able to say i know that when i changed my conditioning from i think the heaviest i was was probably 225 and that's before i put on any of my ballerina gear and then i got down to about 195 or maybe 200 but the lighter i got the more capable i was and i actually by changing the way that i trained i actually got stronger and more capable um but i don't know i don't have any experience outside of like genres of exercise beyond that so i don't know yeah there's so many different schools of thought in terms of like what's best for performance what would you say is best for jiu-jitsu what would you recommend for people with a strength training regimen i think most people feel that kettlebells are one of the best modalities for strength and conditioning for jujitsu kettlebells chin-ups and you know things things along those lines because one of the things about kettlebells is that it forces your body to work as a as a unit right like when you're doing things that aren't sexy like turkish getups are a perfect example like that is a phenomenal exercise for jiu jitsu because it really does work your call your core it really does work your shoulders really does work your legs it works everything yeah and it's not bench and tries it's not you know doing chest and biceps show muscles if you will yeah it's it's not sexy and it's not fun either like when you're doing it it's a grueling type of workout but i think those and like gorilla cleans where you have like you know one in each side uh clean press squats and doing uh reverse uh you know lunges and then reverse line backward lunges and
things where you're forcing yourself to balance out that weight while you're you're moving i think those are probably some of the best exercises for jiu-jitsu and then another thing that's really good for jiu-jitsu is yoga yoga is phenomenal for jiu-jitsu it really is because it forces you to be able to hold positions and breathe and control your body and control your breath in those positions and also you maintain flexibility and strength and in especially like around the joints surrounding and like you with your knee joints when you're standing on one leg balancing like you find it helps with recovery yeah i think it helps recovery i think it helps to keep your body limber too which i think is very important at jiu jitsu because there's always is positions where having a little bit more flexibility is very beneficial like some of the best jiu jitsu guys are very flexible like hicks and gracie famously was like very into yoga when he was young and was the thing there's many things that separated him from other people but i think one of them was his physicality yeah he was i mean i've never met the guy the movie choke is unbelievable where it goes through oh my god it's the best choke is the best he was he was one of a kind for sure though it seems like they broke the mold with that guy a little bit there was some natural talent built in there with also a benefit of having um you know gracie as your last name again born into that but god damn he was uh no he was something special do you get to train much anymore not not right now but i'm getting over some injuries i'm getting over some knee injuries i think i'll be able to train soon again do you do mostly gear or no game mostly no gee these days but i'm not averse to doing the ghee if uh you know if i decide to i'd like to do both coming back again do you have a full full spat collection oh yeah i got all that stuff i got rash guards do they match i have some that match i have some from you
you sent me some rashford shout out to pete and jocko so i went to their camp their immersion camp is that in maine it is in maine it's literally adult jiu jitsu camp and i say that because you're staying at a campground in like a cabin in a bunk bed and you just go do jiu jitsu we did 21 sessions over i think it was five days with an open mat after i i don't there's only one nogi class per week where i train but we'll just pop the ghee off the key top off the common top off and you you can do that so the point i'm getting to is i was unprepared for the level of enthusiasm that nogi players have for their outfits holy [ __ ] [ __ ] for most of your training you do ghee yeah but i'll pop the top off and roll nogi but i like i have a rash guard top like the ones that i sent you but you used ghee bottoms yeah or occasionally i'll go to a noted class and throw in a pair of board shirts and nothing against it whatsoever the vast majority of the classes where i train that i can go to with my time schedule are ghee so i roll to this nogi class at the immersion camp which anybody who's in the judiciary world said absolutely go i have it like blocked off on my calendar till the end of time because it's amazing what time of year is it it's the last week in august i believe i roll in there and there there are grown men in spats and rash guards that are like unicorns like prancing off into the sunset there was a dude in a full deadpool outfit outfit from bottom to top nice i was completely shocked at the bottom of the top like his he had like head-to-toe [ __ ] straight no he didn't have the thing that came over the head that would actually that'd be the [ __ ] it would have been the ship but also a little bit scary um i these people must spend an inordinate amount of time like does this does this bat spats do they go with this top it was unfucking believable and then there was
also people there who i don't know your rule on this but i say there has to be a minimum of four layers there has to be spats or boxers and a pair of shorts between your dick and my dick what about a cup there could be that's that's perfect you roll with a cup on no oh you should roll the cup on uh okay i mean i'll give it a try you the reason being is i got need in the dick once and uh after i got out and uh i went into the locker room and my jock strap was filled with blood and i was like oh no and so i looked for a cut and then i realized the blood was coming out of the tip of my dick which means there was damage inside that's trauma for my dick yeah so that was the last day i rolled without a cup but people need to they need to grasp this four layer principle because there were people at the origin camp you know they make boxers that you're supposed to wear under your other [ __ ] and there were a handful of people out there in the nogi session just boxers straight boxers the [ __ ] flying for one layer one unacceptable [ __ ] layer between their dick and every part of my body just a thin piece of cloth i don't need to know that much about people yeah i don't i don't need to know that either but i was shocked i couldn't believe the ensembles in the wardrobe of the nogi players i actually was relatively impressed the amount of money that it would take in time to put those outfits together at 10th planet we have a wide array of designs there's there's a lot of like pretty dope 10th planet jiu jitsu rashguard selections yeah there was dragons out there like i said there was unicorns there was sunsets and sunrises and [ __ ] skulls were everywhere it's like mandatory actually like blue belt and above if it had to be a skull but that that camp was awesome i i left that with my eyes pretty open as to what there's just so many different levels so who was teaching these camps
uh so pete obviously is the one of the co-founders of origin dideco was there um alexei was there liborio was there jacob was there dean lisa carter liborio yes he is one of the nicest men i've ever met oh he's a great guy phenomenal uh jocko and dean were there echo was there um leah uh was teaching there they had another woman come in um it was really diverse and then they would split they would go different experience levels and it would alternate from i mean top position bottom position sweeps escape submissions it was really cool it was a lot i mean it was a fire hose for sure um and i'm glad i went into it with at least a little bit of experience so i could understand a what they're talking about and at least try it but uh i would recommend anybody who's into jiu jitsu go for sure and it was a week long it was well you don't have to do a week i think they break it up into like a portion a and a portion b we went for portion a and b and i'm glad that we did it all right so you stay there you eat there the whole deal it's literally a summer camp i'm not joking it's adult it's adult summer camp so you have to sleep in bunks um i think there may be other options i don't know enough about it to did you sleep in a bunk i slept in a bed it was a sink it was like a queen sized bed and there's a room full of a bunch of dudes that are sleeping in beds pete hooked us up because i uh had a good friend of mine and his girlfriend go out there and i went out there with my girlfriend as well so we had our own cabins is pete from maine is that what the deal is where origin is located up there i think he is it's cold as [ __ ] up there in the winter bro i mean he wears a canadian tuxedo in the middle of winter up there i feel like he has to be from maine with that outfit denim head to toe which i'm pretty sure doesn't conduct body heat well you see these [ __ ] truckers that are still camped out in ottawa in in canada right now it's like 20 below zero and they have everything clogged up with
their trucks up there and trudeau is now hiding in america apparently no way yeah yeah they apparently he escaped canada i don't know now whether or not he made it to america whether that's true i think he's in an undisclosed location because they're worried about threats of violence from these uh truck drivers but i don't feel like that what they're threatening is violence i think they're trying to have yeah i haven't seen any threats of violence yeah but maybe they know maybe they're privy to things that we don't know i mean i'm sure if you get a large enough group of people together there's going to be some wahoos in there but to me and i'm not following it incredibly closely it seems like people expressing their opinion on the situation that they're living through yeah and you know you had giacomo recently he was talking about leadership through imposing your will i could not agree with him more that is a long-term recipe for absolute disaster and you see it in the states where you know people like oh okay cool like that's your mandate get [ __ ] yeah it only works for so long well it's a strange time where people don't know exactly how to handle things and people have different strategies for handling things and a lot of times when they want to implement these strategies you know they're they're doing so against the will of the people and they think they're doing it for the people's own good and some people are not buying that [ __ ] especially when it comes to canada which has been really rough in terms of like locking down businesses and like what's going on right now in montreal they have a 10 p.m curfew which is just wild like why do you have a curfew like what what happens after 10. like they're they're shutting down restaurants and bars and in parts of canada where they are already like barely staying open they were already barely alive and they're not giving these people the options it's like it's been pretty clear up at this point that all these lockdowns don't work they they don't stop the spread they don't it's just or at best the the
will be the correct term at best the impact is measured in very very small numbers yeah like fractions of a percent i was reading something about that today it's uh do you really think that the people are doing it or that the people who are making the decisions are doing it for the good of the people i think in certain cases they're doing it because it's the optics they're doing it because it makes it seem like they're doing something i think that that's the case and then you know if you want to hit this conspiratorial angle then you know you put on your tinfoil hat and we can keep going because the the people that are conspiratorial about this and i don't subscribe to this but i've listened to several compelling arguments in that way that's where things get really that's that that'll keep you up at night for the for the mandates and the lock yeah the mandates and the lockdowns and people worried about what's the theory about it eventually they're going to implement some sort of a social credit score system that goes along with vaccine passports and that these things are what they're angling towards and that by slowly incrementally moving in this direction they're going to uh apply this these new methods to control the population you know what do what's going on in china have you ever paid attention to their social credit score system no it's it's pretty [ __ ] wild um they can stop you from buying a train ticket they can stop you from buying certain goods like say maybe you want to buy a car if your social credit does not align with uh you know what what's acceptable for in order for you to purchase it it doesn't matter if you have the money to do so they can see this is where it could get wild if if so i mean this is not happening nor is it suggested to happen in the united states i'm just saying like this is what happens in china if you step out of line if you protest
some of the things the government's doing if you speak openly and critically about certain aspects of society they can put a hit on your social credit and that limits what you can do it limits what you can do limits where you can go it limits what you can buy because essentially the idea is that they'll be able to influence what you say and what you do because you won't want to get a hit on your social credit because that'll keep you from being able to go on vacation it'll keep you from being able to buy a car it'll keep you from being being able to buy things and one of the things that yahoo had recently there was an article on yahoo where they were talking about people allowing uh certain organizations certain government organizations access to your browser history and the incentive would be maybe you could qualify for more credit if they had access to your browser history first off for people listening the government has full access to your browser history this is a piece i saw on shepard smith's show the other day this was pretty recently people in china growing frustrated so i remember they talk about in here which i guess we can play it if you want to there is this a way that like if uh someone goes into like cvs their version of a pharmacy and buys you know something that says they have a cough or they have a temperature it it goes through the system into their phone a message pops up which i think they sort of show here in a second that says you can't continue to go places until you now have a past a coveted test that says you're yeah that's oh wow bought through your activity yeah because you bought tylenol or you bought here's the stuff that pops up on their phone and this is like this was newer information than uh that other piece that came out like a year ago this is uh it says china scrambling to control kovan 19 outbreaks ahead of the beijing olympics which kind of makes sense because they kind of have to do that yeah that's all starting this
week now i don't know exactly what's going on these videos but this was part of this piece that popped up along with all the stuff they were talking about that day well that's i mean they have a lot of different methods to control their population that's just one of them how do you think the pandemic ends i think it should end with this omicron hopefully if there's not like another strain that comes out afterwards my concern is that we never go back to normal that we're in like sort of like do you remember the days before the patriot act do you remember the days before tsa remember the days were like now we've just accepted those things like we've accepted tsa you have to take your shoes off that's part of the problem like you know everybody remembers the guy was his name richard whatever the [ __ ] his name was try to blow his shoes up like that one [ __ ] ruined it for everybody now everybody has to take their shoes off at the airport like it's just things they they change and then they never go back so that's where i can buy into a little bit not the conspiratorial narrative but the incremental moving of behavior i've been shocked at how malleable people are yeah and how much so willing they well and i think the reason is and it i think that people don't realize how powerful fear is yeah if you can keep people scared you can do damn near anything that you want to to them um that's true the shoe bomber you know and not to say that the tsa or any of that is conspiratorial but do you remember when they used to color code the days yeah after 9 11. yeah the warning scaring the [ __ ] out of people it's orange orange and what could come with that is hey don't do this today because here's the threat level and people get scared and they get and they get very i just don't know if they realize how susceptible they are and now i almost think it's at a point where some people in leadership positions it's a different kind of fear they're they're now afraid of not being accepted by the party that they identify with and
i see it on both sides and the people who are suffering is everybody who's kind of in the middle which i suspect actually in this country is like 80 i have no data to support this whatsoever but i think more people are towards the center than towards the extreme left or right i would agree with that yeah but now they're unwilling to change course because the fear of the pandemic may be one thing but the fear of not being accepted by that party that they identify with so they'll do anything and i have nothing against mass but hey wear a mask at all times wear it in school where regardless of your age and they're just like yes yes yes yes yes they'll do that it's kind of shocking to me how reactive people are it is it's shocking how easy people bend about how it changes who they are it changes what they do how they view the world it changes what they accept and changes what it all it also changes like what what they think of as being normal like it's normal to have a mask on now everywhere you go for a lot of people you know a lot of people are like out there wearing masks outside that makes no sense it doesn't work at all you know you're walking around outside in the street with with a mask on like that is not helping anybody i mean i'm a fan of people being able to do whatever the hell they want to do but i i also really appreciate people making informed decisions as opposed to just doing what they're told and not looking into it at all well there's also there's so many people that are wearing their masks it's almost like uh they're have them on as a chin strap and yet they still have them on they just kind of have them down here and they're just wandering around like it's like we've kind of like fallen into this weird zone of as long as you have it we were i was in vegas over new year's at a jujitsu camp and another jiu jitsu camp look at you i'm going to costa rica camper this month you're going to jiu jitsu camp in costa rica yeah who's putting that on henry aikens oh no [ __ ] who is a hickson gracie black belt
um and when you roll with him it feels like you're being beaten with this table oh it's [ __ ] gnarly but we're in vegas and everybody in the casino had to have a mask no problem whatsoever put the mask on and as you're walking through the one arm bandits and all the other stuff it is would be the polite way to say this morbidly obese individuals with a [ __ ] redneck guzzler in the cup holder masked down not everybody of course but plenty of this cigarette and all the warnings everywhere in the casino they're about coveted 19. it's like what what are we doing and hey i've had covet twice i'm not saying it's not real i have family members and people that i know who are going through right now i totally get that but god damn yeah there's a little bit of uh there's a little bit of fantasy i think going on and i and i do worry about the the yardstick being moved a little bit of the time you mentioned the patriot act not against the patriot act but i wonder how many people realize how much of their privacy they lost with the patriot act and it'd be interested uh for them to do a little bit of research and realize they never got any of it back no so once it goes it getting that back doesn't happen it's not gonna happen yeah that's the real concern the real concern is that decisions that you make right now that you think are good short term you have to look at the consequences long term and i remember there was a discussion during the obama administration about um the uh indefinite detention it was about guantanamo it was it wasn't just guantanamo it was uh there i forget what the act was that were they were trying to pass but this idea that they didn't necessarily need the same
the did you the same protections of the constitution the bill of rights were not going to apply if they could somehow or another decide that you were a target that was worthy i forget what the parameters were yeah but what would i forget forget what it was called but what i do remember was that one of the things they were saying was that this is not something that we would ever use i'm like well one then why do you have it because if it's not something you would use is this what it is yeah i heard it defense authorization okay minus indefinite detention ban that's right the ndaa that's exactly what it was so the ndaa still allows indefinite detention of american citizens by the military but president obama says his administration won't use this power that's exactly it so like that just that alone indefinite yeah indefinite means the rest of your life like that's there's no indefinite doesn't mean a week it doesn't mean a year doesn't mean an hour it could mean forever it could mean whatever indefinite i wonder so that was signed in uh 2013 yeah i wonder if it still continues today so that was exactly thanks for pulling that up jamie the ndaa so but he said that his administration would not use this power and put that back please is the the actual quote i want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of american citizens obama wrote indeed i believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values values as a nation so that the problem with that is it's if obama didn't use it and wouldn't use it that's great but now it's on the books for trump now it's on the books or whoever might be in that scene yeah i'm sure i'm sure this is after him yeah i'm sure uh obama trump yeah but i mean and then who's after trump i mean like what if we get a real [ __ ] loon in there what if we get a guy who's so crazy that he
makes us long for trump like that all we'd have to do is get attacked all we would have to do is have like a real hot war on our hands in the united states like a real attack chicago gets blown up and we could have a [ __ ] we could have a crazy situation and that's when our our rights and our laws are critical and having something like that that free the ndaa freaked people out and having someone like obama which i don't think obama would use that but have him say we would not use that well don't have it then yeah i'm sure it came with an expiration date but i'd be curious if it got pushed forward yeah i don't think i don't think that stuff lasts forever i'm not a policy expert by any stretch but i think as long as there's a war on terror yeah but when has there not been yeah just because they started calling it the last 20 years doesn't mean we haven't had enemies all over the world people forget that too yeah they think because we're not actively involved in iraq and afghanistan which you know we still have people in iraq yeah i think the last stat i saw we have you know presence in about 140 countries just even in the special operations world like the war on terror is not over by any stretch of the imagination nor do i think it will ever be right it seems like an indefinite war indefinite whatever you want to call it conflict i mean it's there's it's always going to be a strategy that certain states use to try to implement their goals you're going to have terror you're going to have terrorist attacks and when we're looking at this gigantic world of resources and of conflicts and the idea of uh a time in the future where there's no war no conflict that's one of the most depressing things about being a person like there's no if you had a bet what is the gamble what are the odds that there's gonna come a day where there's no war i would say zero percent
i mean the most the most accurate thing you could look at would be the rear view mirror on that and i am not an expert in humanity or the history of humans but i don't think there has been a stretch of time in the history of humans where there not has not been conflict or fighting which at least escalated the war probably smaller scale as we were evolving and society was growing but i can't think of a single period of time no i don't think there is the only thing that i think would save us is alien intervention like uh do you where all the [ __ ] nukes would fly instantly as soon as that happened we're all dead yeah we'll come back again 100 million years and see what what's left and what starts over again yeah the real scary thing is like if all the nukes flew it wouldn't just be all the people die it would be so much life dies that whatever is left the amount of time that it would take to evolve back into a position where we could have advanced intelligent life again and i say we with the the that's the loosest use of the word with the molecule molecules of your body that remain in the atmosphere somewhere yeah it's not really going to be us and what what kind of life i mean if you go back and look at the history of earth and life on earth you know the earth is what four point something billion years old right probably depends on who you ask and intelligent life is basically limited to the last couple of hundred thousand years and out of that intelligent life there's only one species that has the capability of space travel um you know electronics manipulating its environment so just one i mean it could easily be that that one species didn't exist like there was that one was it indonesia we've talked about this recently where there was a super volcano eruption like 70 000 years ago that brought the entire human race down to a few thousand people really yeah just because of what the eruption did to the atmosphere and change the living
conditions it you know it creates like a nuclear winter and essentially uh wipes out look at this toba yeah toba so 75 well it's in another language so um when what year was that 75 000 years ago yeah so is that what it says i don't know well just google the uh toba eruption in indonesia but it was a massive super volcano and it it brought the entire human race down to a very small number well it could have killed us all and if it did kill us all there would literally be no humans that's right 74 000 years ago yeah there it is i don't know what year that is let's say wow the volume compared to almost 3 million empire state buildings holy [ __ ] look at this the explosion of the toba super volcano located on the modern island of sumatra some 74 thousand years ago was earth's largest volcanic eruption in the past 28 million years parts of indonesia india and the indian ocean were covered by 15 centimeters 6 inches of volcanic debris an estimated 1 700 cubic miles of rock a volume comparable to almost three million empire state buildings erupted forming a crater lake visible even from space so that brought the entire human race down to a few thousand people see if it says how many people in that article how many uh if they even know i mean that would obviously be a wild estimate i don't know i think they did it based on the genome like i think they they just tried to figure out like where people emanated from and that's a good question here's a question oh a few thousand survivors okay here it is um genetic evidence there it is indicates a collapse in human population around 74 000 years ago with all modern humans descending from a few thousand survivors according to the toba catastrophe theory most humans in europe and asia didn't make it as the climate and environment suddenly changed in the aftermath of the toba eruption and only a small group with a limited genetic variability
survived by chance in africa but archaeological and paleo climate records don't seem to fit this theory oh well what the [ __ ] is that man sounds like it was so long ago that nobody has a goddamn yeah but they do know that that super volcano did erupt and they do know that it almost wiped out the entire race and if that if that happened and it did kill everybody there'd be no people here so imagine all the [ __ ] that we have this is a blink of an eye ago 74 000 years ago in terms of the entire history of the earth that it didn't have to happen so if we do nuke each other this might be it like for all intelligent life ever that could be it for our little marble yeah we're flying around in space little marble is so delicate so are the people on it unfortunately they're all delicate speaking of delicate how the hell are you doing managing all this uh spotify chatter i'm great that i'm hearing you know what i appreciate well actually i'm not gonna say i'm gonna appreciate about the spotify channel very often when they post a picture of you when they're like yelling at you you're wearing that black cleared hot shirt i love it it's like 75 of the time it's really perfect yeah a ufc like weigh-in or something like that and they pick that picture all right man i'm like that's that's cool yeah i'm good with that yeah uh it's been good stay offline ignore it and everything seems okay there's nothing much i could do you know if i engaged with all of it you know i put out a video a couple days ago yeah i saw it i thought it was good thank you you know other than that not much i could do i also think that people are smart enough to look at complex situations and come to their own conclusions i i dislike the idea of robbing people of their chance to make an educated choice or decision i think so too i agree with that and i think that when you're hearing it from people that are losing the information attend attention game like the people like cnn when they're calling for
other networks or other shows or other programs to be censored or other programs to be limited it's like just do better like you guys should be better at what you're doing more people should be paying attention to than are like why aren't they well first of all it's the format like this this format of seven minutes or whatever it is and then commercial that's rough you got it only an hour you're only on tv at you know 6 p.m at night to seven and then there's another show at seven to eight like that is antiquated you can't that that old format is so limited obviously there's nothing else they can do right they're on cable this is what they have a time slot but that format of time slots it has a very hard time competing with the open-ended format of an internet streaming show i'm assuming you've done like live tv interviews like remotely too where you're staring at the blank lens and you have terrible and you have there's a delay there's a delay and you have approximately 30 seconds to unpack a very complicated yeah also like you you're not you don't feel comfortable staring at a [ __ ] oh it's the worst camera like that it's it's like everything is stacked against like normal discourse everything everything is stacked against you being comfortable those shows are just not good and cnn has started to do they're going to do a cnn plus thing where they have like a uh streaming um like a app and i think you have to pay for it did you ever pay for cnn plus is it just additional content they're gonna have like talk shows like don lemon's gonna have a talk show with an audience they're gonna they're gonna do [ __ ] like that [ __ ] when's the last time you watched a talk show they're terrible i mean for me it's measured in years maybe decades since i watched bill maher i'll watch that okay i actually have watched some clips of that but that's as um but that says different that's as close to being an internet show
you know because it's on hbo yeah so it's uncensored in other words monologue too he's really having conversations with people at the table still time constrained for sure but they do jump all over each other though like yeah and the you know when you have i whenever i do a podcast with three people it's hard like if it was you and one other guy there it's difficult to get a flow because like i know when you're about to say something and i back off and you know i'm listening to you and then i talk and we're trying to like dance when there's three people it's harder to dance when there's four people that you don't even know and you know you have this limited amount of time it's it's like and people have these like planned out rants that they want to go on and it's like oh and everyone's trying to go viral it's like it's hard yeah it's not good how would you pick the guests that would sit there on the opposing side of those arguments for like a peter mccullough um you you'd be able to find them online there there's there's some very intelligent very bold doctor there's a guy named vinay prasad that i i actually tweeted one of his articles that was critical of uh i think it was malone it was malone or mccullough i forget which guy might have been both but uh he would work really well there's there's quite a few of these guys that are like really uh highly educated doctors that have differing perspectives but they're more they're more fact-based than narrative-based like because there's some certain people that are just they they follow whatever the projected narrative is like whatever the government's projecting whatever the the uh cdc is projecting the world health or they're saying exactly what those people are saying yeah even when those things turn out to be incorrect right oh and then they seem to be unwilling to admit the error of their ways they're just in lockstep again it's people are afraid of not being able to identify with whatever their tribe may be that's a problem with people too with these with these networks is that they don't seem human because they don't admit when
they're wrong and they don't admit when they're well when they're disseminating propaganda or they're just bullshitting like with me with that whole horse dewormer thing like i like the filter that they put on you though it's really good it's hot maybe hot right like the color like whatever's inside of that green behind you like pasty they did a fact check whatever those one of those news things that did a fact check they said it's incorrect like [ __ ] you could see it for yourself don't [ __ ] lie that's a lie they see but the fact check is a lie but what who's who's fact checking the fact checkers and who would who's paying the fact checkers like would you're not unbiased like what are you doing like what is a fact check says who yeah says you how'd you come to that conclusion if just that alone that cnn didn't put a filter on my face shut the [ __ ] up and when i put it up on my instagram like so many people were side by side comparison if you will yeah i mean it's like so there it's so obvious it's such a dumb thing to do what's part of the problem too because if you consistently tell people that what they're seeing is not what they're seeing and what they're hearing is not what they're hearing yeah that's gaslighting well how often so if you knew somebody a friend of yours who consistently just told you that no your eyes are wrong and your ears wrong how long would it be before you completely tune that person out yeah and that's i think a lot of what's happening with both sides i mean i try to stay out of left and right arguments because i don't know if i've ever felt less represented by the representatives of our government right now i'm [ __ ] lost in this middle ground it's like can i have a little bit on this side and also a little bit on this side and there's also this lost art that people i wish people would accept and that has the ability to not have a [ __ ] opinion about something you don't have to explode and be passionate about everything like space travel right i don't know anything about space travel i love the idea but i'm not like calling you up be like hey joe can you hook me up with the elon's
digits cause i really need to talk to him about the paint on the side of his rockets like no like i don't have an opinion on it i like the idea of it but i'm not gonna be passionate i think it's okay to be like that oh yeah it should be yeah there's a lot of subjects where you should be like that yeah all of them for me except for probably like three i actually have an educated opinion on yeah there's not a lot of subjects where i'll go stop you don't know what the [ __ ] you're talking about mm-hmm yeah there's been a few times a few notable because people talk crazy and i'm like listen you can't talk crazy about this yeah like and i'm i am very passionate about defending mma fighters defending their their courage defending what is happening in an actual fight you know when when someone will say like the oh they quit or they laid down or they didn't show up today like stop you don't know what you're talking about yeah like like there's so much going on here get out there for 20 minutes yourself buddy and can we talk for a second about francis and ghana doing jiu jitsu and then wild whole first off i was scared of him before mm-hmm because if he hit you you're going to die bro his leg was destroyed going into that fight he had a totally torn mcl his ac are you serious oh is that surgery because he had knee somebody was asking me about surgery does the does the opponent have to agree to let him wear those no no um we were in california and in california it's legal to have knee sleeves on there are some jurisdictions where they'll let you tape your ankles some commissions i'm gonna cough again some commissions will let you tape your ankles it's like there are there's all sorts of different rules when it comes to mma unfortunately it's like the unified rules of mma these the the changed unified rules that like they've changed some of the parameters like what constitutes a downed opponent and then some places will let you tape your ankles someplace as well it's like there's a lot going on he did the smart
move though both knees yeah so you don't you know yeah you don't you don't put tape on like just two fingers you're like i'm fine no would you remember sakuraba sakuraba zakaraba's knees were so [ __ ] that he would tape all the way up halfway up his thigh where his knees were like mummified his how much flexion and extension did he have very little very little yeah when you would see sakuraba when he fought like especially later in his career his knees were the craziest thing see if you find a video of sakura but with his oh my look how taped up his knees are i mean it's like halfway up his thigh and halfway down to his ankle dude when francis picked up that guy mid-kick and they both left the ground oh yeah he came down oh yeah all i could think of in my head while watching that was imagining like in a cartoon the ghost of my body just floating up i mean what does he weigh well he weighed in at 257 which but how tall is he he's six five i believe that's deadly tall yeah yeah dudley tall uh that's the slamming down to the ground then that's again where my ghost what not look at the faces in the background look at that dude with his mouth open look at that girl here the girl on the left right underneath his knee oh yeah right there every single face everybody's like holy [ __ ] yeah well that was his best uh option to win that fight giving the fact that he was injured i had no idea that he was injured obviously he was significant he wasn't talking about that before though was he um well we knew about it okay we had heard about it there was a rumor going around we had heard about it um i had not talked to his coaches so i didn't know exactly the extent of the injury and i found out afterwards and i actually connected uh some one of his coaches with uh ways to well which is a company that i use here in austin for stem cells but he had uh significant tears in his knee like to the point where they were they were really considering not fighting oh
damn yeah but i still fought he still won it was beautiful a man that size so he weighed into 257 what do you think he stepped in the ring at well dc thinks he's about 270 because he was so he looked so much bigger than cyril gone because cyril gone was 247 which means cyril gone didn't have to lose any weight that he just he waited his walk around right but francis often times is over the 265 pound limit so when he goes to weigh in like he'll just not eat very much like the day before under it dip under it and then weigh himself in and then afterwards he'll rehydrate and carb up so the day of the fight he looked massive i mean he was he was huge he looked huge but he moved beautifully well especially for a guy with a [ __ ] knee yeah i had no idea i mean you got you also have to take into consideration what what kind of an impact that have on his training in terms of his cardio like his cardio output like what was he able to do and you know how was that gonna affect the way he fought and the pace that he was able to fight at all i'll say is france francis sunganu is one of the best arguments for carrying a gun on the face of the planet because if you run into that dude in an alleyway you're going to die yeah you're not you're not gonna hurt him yeah i mean stipe landed some big shots on him and didn't even ding them that's why tools exist sometimes you need to you need to have tools yeah what's interesting is that guy evolving his game and then incorporating wrestling and incorporating jiu jitsu and i'm i'm really curious to see what he decides to do in the future if he decides to box or if he decides to stay with the ufc because part of me wants to see him um i want to see him box i mean i don't want to see him box because i don't love seeing him fighting mma i love seeing him fight mma but i want to see him box because i want to see him get a giant chunk of money like like uh conor mcgregor's style floyd mayweather chunk of money because when conor fought floyd mayweather they made 100 million dollars
that's i don't believe that's bad for an evening's work i think that's nice i would love to see that like if if you know if he fought tyson fury how much money would they be able to get i know nothing about that world do you think they'd be able to demand that much i don't know is it off the pay-per-view or what they could sell yeah it's off the pay-per-view it's off what they could i mean obviously you'd have to it would have to be very marketable and tyson fury's very marketable and francis ingano is very marketable especially him as a ufc heavyweight champion going up to fight in boxing and it would be weird to see tyson fury like a legit five inches taller than francis singano because that's a good one oh yeah tyson fury is six nine i think uh francis is uh six four or six five i'm not sure so what how tall is francis is he's six four six five but uh the big fight in mma is jon jones so if uh does he fight at that same weight jon jones is fighting heavyweight now is there a weight class above the 265 there is but the ufc has never implemented it it's just not super heavyweight there's just not boys out there big enough to i mean i guess there's probably a few but there's not enough where they felt the need to have a over 265 pound weight class it is kind of weird though that there's a weight limit on heavy weight because everything like heavyweight would just like be the biggest person you had that's what i figured i figured at that level is like kind of come as you are i mean it could be one day there you know one day there could be a guy who is so compelling like maybe there's something like gigantic wreck-o-roman wrestler like corellon like corellon in his prime i think was like 290 pounds something bigger than that yeah if you did have a guide that big that was marketable i could see the ufc implementing a super heavyweight division but it's available i mean it's something that the commissions have sanctioned what were you doing out at the old john wick academy recently just learned how to shoot people were you though was i i'm asking you i don't know what were you up to seem to be shooting
as fast as humanly possible i'm shooting um targets bang bang bang bang yeah no yeah all righty okay what do you why are you asking me that way every time i see somebody post a video from there they're shooting as fast as humanly possible which yes there's nothing wrong with that but accuracy is final not speed yes yeah no he loves making videos like taran from tear and tactical team that's what it's called yeah he likes making these videos of you running through these courses and implementing proper technique with speed and timing you yeah it's not the best way to be accurate yeah i'm just curious do accuracy stuff too but when he makes videos he wants to make these videos very fun yeah like for people to look at i've never been there i'm just curious i saw you out there just running and gunning full speed yeah i see you and callum out there yeah callan goes out there all the time he sucks at shooting i tell him that i post i have that tactical [ __ ] page and he's just the cashmere [ __ ] because he's always out there in a cashmere shirt shooting a [ __ ] pistol carbine which again is like an mp5 right it's like make your mind up you know it's yeah i've uh like i said i've never been there it's uh shooting videos online i was just trying to figure out what you guys are up to well a lot of what they do is those those competitions you know where they run a course shot timer courses yeah so he's really into that and he's really into training people for films you know so like he trained keanu reeves famously and halle berry and a lot of other people for films and kevin hart's been there and a bunch of other you know uh michael p jordan's been there michael b jordan b right sorry you know the guy from um um well creed he's been in everything but those people that want to learn how to look like billy badass they go to terran tactical all right fair enough you can mock it because i'm not trying to got a smile i have a there's a mocking smile i know you andy stump because i'm thinking of
brian so why does brian suck tell me why brian sucks i would have to go back and look at some of the videos that he is willingly posting so i feel i have full license to mock what's wrong with the way he does it um how much more does he suck than me do a side by side comparison you post less videos than he does that's the problem um he gives you too much to study it's really hard to tell i mean the only thing you can really tell on the videos is how you know stance grip how you're managing your reach coil and how you're controlling your trigger he does all those poorly and i would say that to him if he was sitting right here what do i do wrong i'd have to look at him again i'm not necessarily saying you're doing anything wrong that's why i was asking you what what you're doing out there so we would do speed runs all the time don't get me wrong the number one tool to get somebody to unwind on a pistol range is that [ __ ] shot timer i have watched guys who are so incredibly competent shooting and you get them into a competition setting right there's like and they're just like putting magazines in their pistols backwards which is amazing i totally support it dropping [ __ ] i mean it's you know dead man guns where you're presenting yeah there's calendar i know i don't have a problem with what he's doing here i think you're wrong that's fair i mean let's just look at the flared elbows let's look at the bunny hop let's look at how his hands are so in instead of actually having an extended you know grip on that he's awesome look at that old man neck he's got i know he's got an old man neck the back of his neck looks like a [ __ ] old catcher's mitt still on fire just looking around still on fire i don't know why he keeps dropping the gun and doing that what is that about i'm not sure there oh josh barnett yeah chris deleo yeah he uh taryn loves like making videos yeah but that's part of his business model i wasn't knocking it what i was i was knocking brian not necessarily the
school i was just curious i'd be happy for you to knock it i like when you knock things i'd have to go through it to actually be able to uh oh here we go there's uh-oh jamie can you go back just a sec to the very very beginning to watch me with my elbow out no i want to see if you have your american flag oriented properly you do good job oh and the hat and the yes you're one of the most common mistakes ever yeah really yep stars always lead the way okay how far away are those targets i don't know i'm not measuring how far they look to you five to seven yards um probably something like that what are you looking at when you're pulling the trigger what am i looking at i'm looking at the iron sights the the you know the two things lining up the front the front and rear sight yeah which one's in focus i'm looking at the the rear should be the front it should be front side focus oh i mean i don't mean the rear i mean the one the furthest away yeah so that's correct yeah yeah the front one yep if you're using an one near me that would be the rears the forward i'm looking at the the reticle the one that has the like that little dot and that's in focus and things behind it are blurry yes that is completely correct sounds good now i was using a red dot for a while but i kind of one time i went there and it [ __ ] up on me and i was like oh that's not good you should be able to find a red dot site that allows you to co-witness and what that means is yes yeah and so that way even if it [ __ ] up even if it [ __ ] up and for people who carry every day like i have a red dot on the gun that i carry when i practice or if i were ever to draw down i am expecting to be looking at the iron sights because if i can line that up appropriately the red dot is going to be right there right so i'm not searching for the red dot first and hoping that it's there you start with the irons and then you can just lift or shift your focus point red dots are awesome in my experience they can make people a
little bit snappy and they can start anticipating the shot because it's just that red dot right there right and they're like now now and the number one thing for a right-handed shooter is shooting down into the left because you're just anticipating and driving it down isn't there a thing that's very similar to archery in that you you kind of want the gun to go off in a surprise way you don't want to like anticipate the recoil and yank and in a perfect world i would say yes that would be especially when it comes to long distance marksmanship like you're behind a sniper rifle you want to make a really long shot there's no room for anticipation that should apply to both a carbine and a pistol but here's the reality right if it's between me and you i'm not gonna lie like if we're this distance i'm not even gonna bother aiming i'm going to point my thumbs at you and pull the triggers many times until the target right or the threat is no longer a threat so in theory yes but the situation is going to dictate how much you're actually going to need to do that in practice but in learning it that that should always be the way that you practice it because then you can increase your speed with that and then it'll allow you to as you you know as you try to go faster and faster or the targets are closer and closer you can deviate from that just a little bit i mean you don't need a surprise break for something that's three to five yards away yeah um so you're dealing with something if you're talking about a surprise break you're just looking for like optimal technique yep so to define a surprise break i'm not saying the rifle or pistol surprises you they're like oh my god it went off no you're pulling the trigger it's the same as a silverback put it in archery terms right you're pulling you're pulling you're pulling you know because your thumb's off to safety you know it's gonna go off but you don't know exactly correct so you what are you focusing on your sight picture and you just let it float and when it goes off it goes off that would be the perfect execution of a trigger pull or a trigger press um and again the farther the distance
you know the more you need to have that take a thousand yard shot and you get a little anticipation i mean yeah [ __ ] yeah i remember watching the tim kennedy video and he was shooting on a pistol range and he would insert dummy rounds it is very telling because what ends up happening with speed it's like boom boom boom boom click you're like oh yeah that only happens when there's a dummy around it's like no now that happens every time you're shooting you're compensating for your shitty technique right right it should be smooth and then you go through your emergency procedures and then you're back up and running well that was the thing in the video he was in the video he was he had it on instagram where he was pumped because he pulled the trigger and like literally his hand didn't move at all and he was like whoa that's that would be perfect theory and practice that [ __ ] never happens with me i anticipate the [ __ ] out of it do you depending on the distance how often do you practice today uh well in the winter months in montana where it was three degrees when i left this morning three three degrees three balmy degrees i was i was actually still rocking flip-flops well into december so i was probably oh [ __ ] yeah wow you gotta wait till there's like a foot of snow on the ground and then you can transition over um when it's not the winter i can shoot at my house so i will have your backyard yeah my nearest neighbor's about 60 acres away oh wow so i have um i can sight in rifles i don't do a lot of long distance shooting there but i have some pistol targets right there so i will a couple times per week and the thing is it's not it's not necessarily the volume i would say it's the quality for the last year i don't know if you guys felt this down here the ammo shortage was real i don't go to the sporting goods stores and there were people in line to buy like nine mil it's seven o'clock in the morning do you think that is because so many people were buying ammo that the ammo manufacturers just couldn't keep up
because the pandemic because people really did freak out like during the protests and the riots i think it's just like toilet paper i think there's always enough stuff around to wipe your ass with but when somebody goes to costco and buys a semi-truck full it limits the amount that everybody else can get so if everybody had bought perhaps a reasonable amount which is what happened where i live is they started limiting how many boxes you could buy because people would just come in right and they're just sweeping into a cart right there there was an increase you can tell that just by looking at the number of um firearms applications you have to do the background check and all that those those numbers increase so if there's new gun owners they're going to be buying more ammunition but i think the scarcity was largely artificial just due to people wildly buying probably too much well i remember during the lockdowns when when there was giant lines outside the gun stores in l.a wow like driving by and seeing a long line outside of a gun store was so bizarre and was spooky to people because all these people that are used to driving by that gun store and seeing nothing and they also see it that sort of signals to you [ __ ] maybe i should get in there and get a gun yeah maybe i should get some ammo it could be an artificial scarcity also people buy guns you know exercise your second amendment right if you want to it's better to have the gun before you need it than be standing out in line for a 10-day wait period oh yeah you know so but again people make a choice on that but the ammo shortage will make people not want to train and you can actually do the vast majority of the training without actually firing around for people who conceal carry you know indexing you know clearing fabric out of the way practicing your draw everything execution magazine changes you can have an awesome day of training and obviously depends on the experience level that you have i could i could do like an hour's training and actually get a lot out of it with somewhere probably between 20 to 30 rounds because i can do a lot of it dry fire or what i'll do is i'll do one round in each magazine if i'm working manipulation or reloads so i'm not
shooting an entire magazine full i'm focusing on the actual motor skills themselves so there's ways you can get around it but people like oh i don't have ammo i can't train it's the wrong mentality have you ever used one of those simulators no but i think i know what you're talking about we just got one and i i gotta remember to bring it in but it's like a virtual reality simulator and jordan peterson's uh security guy dave gave it to me we haven't set it up yet like a video with people running around and stuff well you yeah you put a helmet on and you know yeah look at the argonauts yeah complete vr goggles and you have a weighted you know gun firearm record replica probably right and it it's synced up to this system and it's specifically designed to train you for you know encounters with guns obviously there's no recoil but other than that it has heft to it like a real gun is it situational based training like use of force go no ghost i believe so i don't know i think there's a there's a lot of different programs that you can run i think it's there's more than one and i i think it's designed for law enforcement tactical people like the the idea is to have an environment virtual that where you can practice where you don't even need a range so you can you'll squeeze off shots and it'll show you it'll register where your actual aim would be did you ever use my um that uh techno hunt thing in my studio do you remember that i remember it but i i know where it was but i never used it we're getting one over here too of course you are but of course but that was what was interesting about that is like you're shooting a real arrow at a real target and it shows you the actual impact point taren tactical has this laser setup thing where you have a screen and you have a gun that feels like a real gun but there's obviously no recoil but you when you're looking through the sights it has iron sights and when you're looking through the sights and you peel off it registers on the screen where
your shot would be yeah some kind of a laser beam or something like that exactly where you're hitting so that's better than nothing anything is better than nothing anything is better than somebody buying a gun and loading it up and having no actual idea how to use it yeah and carrying it around there's a lot of people out there doing that too there's a lot of people who confuse what guns are actually capable of doing and they think that the possession of a gun somehow equates to their safety and that's not the case right so that's true did you see that [ __ ] video of the guy in a car in a road rage situation out of the car shooting right through his [ __ ] side window and then through his windshield yeah like what the [ __ ] um i i mean i don't i don't have the words to describe that that is the in my opinion which counts for absolutely nothing um videos like that are why people will go on crusades to try to strip the second amendment or limit people's ability to own a guns that is completely and utterly irresponsible usage of that tool in my opinion which like i said doesn't count for [ __ ] he said i think that the other guy pulled the gun first or the other guy shot first here's the video because it's so crazy so they're playing stupid games and winning a stupid prize so and this engagement like even right here like from a situational awareness perspective the guy's pissed off dude [ __ ] disengage you know what i mean why chase the guy down in the car well the guy is chasing him apparently the guy's riding his ass and chasing him and so here you see because i haven't seen it before like this so he's gotta use his thumb to press the button to get the [ __ ] gun out which actually that that might be a requirement of whatever state he's in but that's not a bad idea you know to have something like that but meanwhile he didn't even roll his window down this is what's so crazy about this [ __ ] guy and he has one in the chamber already apparently and this guy is just totally riding his ass and the fact that he immediately goes to shoot out the window
like look at this holy first off he gets an f for technique empty this whole clip too joe f do not say the word clip again no it's a magazine but the rappers they say clip yeah it's so looks like the guy does he have a gun he's got his arm out the window for sure he has an arm who knows it could be a gesture it could be i mean i've been known to stick my arm out the window to hand signal people before and he immediately just starts shooting at him yeah i mean we don't know like maybe the guy did have a gun hold on let me imagine just shooting through your windshield like that too like look at this i mean i've done it not in this situation but he's not even he's not even looking holy cow so i mean there's a lot of things here think about every so i would be curious to hear jamie does it say how many times he struck the other person's vehicle what does it say right there he tells his side of the story can we see him get interviewed i was in fear of my life one thousand percent he said i thought i was going to be shot and probably killed okay interesting oh so he threw a bottle of water at the side of his car he said he thought he was being fired upon okay the incident in question happened in june in miami blah blah blah when i've been here very loud noise and i've heard gunshots to me it sounded like a gunshot i didn't want to see if i was going to be killed according to the arrest report he changed lanes and cut off another driver that driver identified as began to tailgate him according to police he then slammed on his brakes police said then the guy threw a water bottle at the passenger window of his car but he didn't know what it was at the time and he thought he was being fired upon i did what i instinctively felt was necessary authorities said 11 shots were fired but
no injuries were reported when they call it stand your ground whether you call it self-defense he said mr popper is not only not guilty he is innocent and justified said his attorney oh boy well the legal system will figure that out right so from the perspective of the video right so 11 shots fired like there's so much stuff going on in that video like backdrop as an example for the rounds that didn't hit the other dude's car where are they going where did they go right shooting other people shooting through glass yeah um it it works again so i'm gonna get that looked like a a sub-compact nine-millimeter pistol that'll go through glass for sure but it doesn't like if you shoot through you're better off shooting at a distance into glass as opposed to shooting through glass at a close distance and having it ricochet out all over the place right all over the place you could tell and the backdrop is the biggest thing like every one of those rounds is going to find a home somewhere and that is exactly and again the legal system can work out whether or not guys innocent or guilty not that i don't have an issue with that but the discharging of firearm like that on the road you're out of your [ __ ] mind and that is exactly the type of video that people will point to to try to strip those things away yeah and having around in the chamber opinions may vary on this i would say if you're going to carry a gun and you don't feel comfortable having a round in the chamber you may want to consider not caring an unloaded gun has the same effective distance as a claw hammer and gross motor skills very often are going to be the first things that degrade in a violent confrontation so depending on how you have it carried um let's say you're an appendix carry you're gonna have to get that thing out load around into the chamber and then index your target there there's a lot of
steps involved in that um guns don't just actively they don't just go off on their own so it to me when people are not comfortable with carrying with the round in the chamber oftentimes it's it's oftentimes based in kind of a lack of understanding of how a firearm actually functions when you're shooting through a windshield like that how much of the impact i mean what how much of the kinetic energy bleeds off a lot yeah and but the biggest thing is it changes the angle drastically like i said you're better off shooting back into the glass because your target is from a distance i mean even close up the target that you're shooting at isn't very far past the glass right he's reversing that he's shooting through glass at a target that is increasing the distance like good luck yeah i'm gonna assume that happened in florida it is florida right yeah miami seven a.m seven a.m oh [ __ ] oh my god this is on his way to work wow yeah 95 jesus christ guns are a tool you know they're they're a tool designed to take life though and people get really really twitchy when you define them like that because they feel like if you are if you say that then that somehow creates an argument for restricting them and i think it's a disingenuous thing to say they are a tool that is designed to take life it can be used to preserve and save life for sure but they should be treated like that tool and that to me is like as irresponsible as it gets it didn't look responsible yeah but it's there's another video that i saw once where a similar situation happens on a highway and it's a similar angle and this guy is on a highway and there's someone in the passenger seat next to him and he just starts shooting through his windshield at this car on the highway and you see the guy on the passenger seat like like freaking the [ __ ] out because this dude is just unloading through his windshield
yeah that's not the move at all no no no the move is to decelerate like get out of there yes de-escalate like all there was out of there there was 20 seconds of that building up actually probably even more of it if you could tell he was agitated you could tell he was involved oh there's more videos yeah so i was just looking in the news the the nbc report said they had four different angles it's really it's really hard to tell what's going on and then just as i have played so other people's cars they're right here where are they at jamie they're right on that video right there in the bottom right corner the they're the two cars here so like they're in the same lane oh my god oh so the guy literally got in the same lane with him yeah there was something going on but i don't know if he fired a gun first you can't tell though well that guy got so close to him he really did some dangerous driving there too [ __ ] man then he pulled over and said you know he called 9-1-1 according to this report and said that i just i was shot at and i fired back so he thought he was shot at because the guy threw a water bottle at him right that's what he says but then the even uh i think this is yeah this is the sheriff saying this average person doesn't just say let me prepare my firearm let me back up my seat let me get a little bit of space that's according to the sheriff yeah and that's the beauty of having the legal system they get they get to figure all that stuff out and i'm i'm actually shocked that this footage exists um i'm sure it will be dissected ad nauseum inside of his court proceeding yeah so joe don't do that don't do that i swear to god if i ever see a video of you doing that you know who i would see i could see callan doing that you think that's the way to do he would probably have blanks in his gun for some reason though because allen is not a guy that would uh get into an escalated situation with his car it's true i actually have talked a lot of [ __ ] about him he's one of my favorite people he's awesome he's fantastic well now you're turning it around
now you're back no he's just super dangerous with a gun super dangerous i love him except for when he has a gun in his hand and he also has a penchant for wearing scarves for no reason you don't like scarves we saw that from the charlie sheen video that one just didn't make sense there's one there's pictures of me wearing those overseas too but i was actually wrapping my face to cover the dust up yeah that's the is that the reason for those things but isn't it like guys wear them on the range to like to keep brass from falling into their collar people will tell you they wear them on the range for that that's what they're doing is they're aiming for the tactical chic look that's more of an instagram thing than a tactical thing the tactical look yeah the uh cargo pants at all times yeah tactical fashion there is a very distinct look that a lot of people like enjoy i was just at the shot show in vegas oh boy where you have seen yourself where that look is actually i think it's required to attend i have to take a piss but i don't want to stop so let's let's take a piss real quick and we'll come back i drank a lot of coffee be right back we up okay i'm back thank you for indulging me so much urine why you np [Laughter] so we were talking about uh people dressing the part tactical [ __ ] yeah the proper terminology for it yes why did that start happening oh that's a good question it started happening much broader than military personnel on base i would say post 911 post 911 yeah really well i'm sure it was happening to a small degree before then but it kind of exploded afterwards i would say maybe with the creation of multicam the pattern that many people will wear on everything from flip-flops to hats to backpacks to speedos shorts shirts fill in the blank and so once people started wearing it like as fashion exactly was camo worn as fashion before 9 11
must have been right to a very limited degree i believe and then it became it got ramped up correct that would be my suspicion i have absolutely no data to support this right well there's some some camo looks cool some camo does look cool tiger stripe camo that looks pretty dope tiger stripe is one of my favorite patterns the old mac v sog vietnam tiger stripe have you seen the new origin pattern briefly yes jimmy go to origen's page and see there or you go to cam haynes's page he's got it up on his page this is the new jocko's coming out with an all-american-made hunt line tiger stripes the way to go yeah it looks tiger stripey it's pretty dope it's it's a it's it's like to me it's like i always like the under armour ridge reaper pattern and i always liked the tiger stripe pattern the like the old school yep and this is kind of like a combination of the two of those things find it on cam's page he's got pictures but not nothing yeah that's it that's pretty nice it's always tough to tell for me with camo until you see it in person right and get in your hand and then also take it out into the environment yeah that's it right there yeah i mean like what what does a drc what does an elk see like what makes a camo work and not work it's like the idea is like you want to break up the outline because they recognize movement right that's my understanding yes i mean it's isn't it a little i mean they're looking at the rods and cones in their eyes i mean how the [ __ ] do you ask an elk like hey man can you see this and like some of it seems to work good like the sitka pattern works really good i've had the craziest animal encounters with the sitka pattern as um actually i think i've only hunted in the sitka pattern so but it's it's been bizarre like you could see an animal look at you and then an animal look through you and then just continue on with her yeah like what am i seeing yeah but some animals like have you ever got busted by a white-tailed deer uh yeah
they seem a lot smarter i don't know if they're smarter or they're twitchier than tuned in yeah but i think they seem to know when hunting season is going on i think they all know when hunting season is going on except for the axis deer in lanai because it never stops and they're just like [ __ ] it this is my life right that well they're they're the most switched on animals of all time though but i don't know if that's tied to intelligence i think whitetails are just a little bit more switched on than say well i don't know i don't know if mules are less switch their behavior is different and i've only been hunting for a few years so yeah please everybody take what i say is a grain of salt well i think elk are so big that they don't have to be as switched on as like say like a deer i think deer are so hunted by like mountain lions and wolves and what have you they have to be most switched on like uh have you have you encountered a mountain lion in the wild yet no and i don't look forward to the day that i do i saw a giant one this past season out of the deseret right my friend colton we were in colton's truck and we saw this cat that had to be a buck 70 plus it was huge and he was only about 30 yards away so i got a real close look at him and we were in the truck so i pulled my binos up i got right up on his ass looking in his eyes look at the size of him oh my god he was huge my neighbor hunts cats and he sent me pictures of around our area of them up in the trees because even the years he doesn't have a tag i believe you can run him so he can train his dogs wow so they're around but i think they probably see me likely long before i see them oh yeah yeah they see but the problem is if they see you and they're hungry and they can't get a deer shoot them in the face did you see that one i did a video that video is crazy i don't know if i would have waited that long yeah i guess that guy was being a good dude that cat was close as [ __ ] though it was close and i give it to that guy he was uh he was giving that cat every opportunity to make a decision that would have extended his life it looked like a juvenile cat though like a young cat that just like trying to figure out
if that's a meal or not i am gonna remove that opportunity for him to make that decision yeah that's just me though yeah the one that we saw man was so big it like you i i felt so vulnerable looking at it even though it was like 30 yards away and i was inside of a truck the feeling of like complete physical inadequacy like if that thing wanted to get you like what it could do to you because you ever like have a thing with a house cat like a problem with a house cat like are you trying to corral them i had a feral cat i'm not a cat person i know you're a host i love animals but i had a cat that i raised and he was feral like my friend laney and her boyfriend and found these cats under a uh apartment building and she was trying to give the kittens a home and this [ __ ] cat was wild as [ __ ] it was a little baby and when i pick it up it would purr but as soon as i put it down and like i think it was crazy anyway uh cut two cats piss in your house like in male cats you have to fix if you don't fix them they spray on your walls and this [ __ ] starts spraying my wall spray piss spray piss all right to mark the house it's like to let everybody know this is their house like you can't get them to not do it if they are male they they're gonna spray in your house either they're gonna be an outdoor cat or they're gonna spray in your [ __ ] house so uh i had to figure out a way to get this cat to the vet and he did not want to go into a cage that was not happening so he realized i was trying to get him in a cage and it's like like fighting with me and [ __ ] so i eventually had to corner him in a bathroom and then i had to throw a bathrobe over him and like like a towel or a bathroom i forget what it was but something big over him scoop him up in this and wrestle him into a hamper then i got him in a hamper and i duct taped the hamper shut and then i took the hamper with this [ __ ] cat this feral cat to
this veterinarian who was a friend of mine and he fixed the cat and then we brought him back but was he better after he brought him back yeah he stopped he stopped pissing in the house like that how long did you have before i had him until my dog killed him he he got feisty with my dog and my dog was like that's a rap son cats and dogs will do cats and dog [ __ ] well it's like he just [ __ ] up he you know he you love animals more than me i love animals but i don't like cats they're [ __ ] i like cats but i love dogs dogs are my favorite because dogs are just so interactive like you can talk to them and they can meet they like they they're into you communicating with them like my dog will understand like come on bro let's go outside he knows what that means and he starts marshall's a door yeah the happiest dog on the face the planet he's the best yeah but i can say things to him like are you ready to eat or what and like [ __ ] yeah let's eat like he gets language it doesn't have to be very clear and specific he knows what i'm saying i'm like come on man let's go outside like i can say that and he knows he's running towards the door like he's he's tuned in to me a cat is just nev you're never gonna have that kind of relationship with a cat have you ever considered the cast just ignoring you because they think that you're beneath them that's possible that's totally possible they don't understand every goddamn thing that you're saying and they're like [ __ ] you human my point was uh i had a hard time wrestling that little [ __ ] cat into a hamper 150 pounds of that yeah a lot more than 150 because that little [ __ ] cat was like eight pounds you know that goddamn mountain lion was a buck 70 if it was a pound it was so big man his forearms were so big i remember looking at his foot because he was like looking at us like this and his forearms were like twice the size of mine like two of my forearms back to each other with his massive paws and this pumpkin head i'm good with never seeing something like that knowing that they're out there but i i don't think my life would be enriched how big was this one oh that's
a bobcat they're not that big have you seen this video yeah tears it ducks up or a duck i love this video cause he's so clever look at this little sneaky [ __ ] quality stock too oh yeah man look how low he gets and everything sneaking up in a sand trap that's the sand trap right jamie indeed jamie's a golfer and look at his little [ __ ] he's like i'm gonna make my mouth wow pam i got one it's all he needs to get is one yeah and he's got him cats are savage oh nice man yeah imagine playing golf and watching that play out well that's just one of the many savage encounters that happens on a golf course the big ones in florida those goddamn alligators that walk across yeah or people that go try to retrieve their golf ball out of the water hazard that's crazy yeah yeah let that go son i jamie what does a golf ball cost maybe 45 cents oh those the ones people are going after costs about five bucks but even still yeah but what does a prosthetic hand cost do they really go after a golf ball in the water joke yeah there are people that are talking about there are people that scuba dive in there to collect them oh yeah i've seen that yeah they're like they get free golf balls explain that to me so if the ball goes in the water you get a stroke back what is that if you even mean if you could play it which is you probably can't hit it through the [ __ ] water but there are times you can because it's not deep enough you're hitting it in the water it's a penalty so you could stroke yeah that tape could [ __ ] up a lot of things if you're playing for money so and then people are also a little bit of drunk uh but wait a minute if it's in the water you can't play it from the water no it depends if it's in say an inch to two inches of water i've seen people hack it out oh yeah and people everybody when you're out there you think your tiger would or you're living out that dream and that's your one time this week to try it's like [ __ ] it i'm i can do that too and what happens
all that happens is they get completely utterly covered in water from their club striking it and then the ball is still in there and i think they have to take another stroke because they attempted it right jake if you take if you take any stroke purposefully you swing at it purposefully it's a stroke people if even if you miss it which part you you get a penalty stroke so you don't have to go in the water and you just take a penalty stretch yeah you could just leave it skip it [ __ ] that ball i'm not going after it i'll drop a ball here and that's a two-stroke penalty like that's where i'm getting like i don't like looking for a ball it takes forever it makes your game last twice as long because you can't head straight i am so terrified of golf because i see people like you and particularly tony hitchcliff who is 100 addicted to that stupid guy i went down the rabbit hole with golf for a while too did you i did really and what i ended up doing was like waking up early and then going and playing uh nine holes or i'd go and i would chip and pot for an hour i've discovered about myself that i have two speeds when it comes to my hobbies i am either in or i am out that's why i like you you you like me i love like with hunting too oh [ __ ] yeah all in there is all in with archery yeah 100 not any good at it yeah that's why i go i literally can't talk to people that say they're bored i'm like how can you be bored i wish i had 10 lives to run simultaneously i would add hobbies and i would immediately add like a half dozen hobbies that i can think of off the top of my head yeah but i need another hobby right now like i need another hole in my head which i don't need it's like my buddy's like let's go snow snowmobiling i'm like oh god i already like snowboarding yeah so i'm already doing that i don't need to add the motorized or you know the where i live there's a huge lake it's like let's go water skiing and first off [ __ ] off anything with anything to do with the water so i'm out on all that but really oh god you're a seal i'm not a sea lion i was a sea it was a seal so once you
stop being a seal you're like no more most team guys that i know jacob being an exception because he loves his surf and he lives near the water most guys are not going to voluntarily go into a substance they abused you with for decades oh i get it yeah i get it yeah all right you're like asking an account hey man do you want to go to your office and crunch numbers on saturday not really some people are into that though some people are i can appreciate the water i go into it sparingly and only when i want to i'm just not into sharks the fact that sharks exist like if there's no sharks i'd be so into scuba diving you could do it in lakes yes you can you could yeah you can i i'm down for that scuba diving is pretty cool um i've never done like a like a beautiful trip where you're like in crystal clear like the aqua water it's all well i have in turks and caicos i did go snorkeling like on reefs and it was awesome thousands and thousands of fish man they were everywhere it was wild that was pretty cool and rays a lot of rays and turtles and [ __ ] i flew out there one time when i was doing uh aviation stuff it's a pretty cool island actually twice i went out there turks and caicos yeah it's uh the ocean is such a it's so bizarre that we have these two completely different things that exist simultaneously on this planet we have terrestrial life we have aquatic life and they're so different one of them's breathing air one of them is breathing water and they're just both life aren't they still breathing air in the water don't their gills yeah yeah so they're breathing water and their gills are processing it turning into air but it's just this idea that we're living in this world where three quarters of it is completely covered in water and we don't go in there and we're but what we do do is we take these little boats and we bring them out onto that water and they float around out there and then they suck all the fish out in giant nets it's a fish apocalypse and sometimes people on those boats don't know how to swim and i don't understand that that's crazy yeah imagine being on a fisher boat and you don't know how to swim you no i cannot gangster you'd have to
be to take that job you can't even there are other swim there's other terms you could use like maybe stupid as [ __ ] dumb yeah not thinking through the potential risk involved well uh those remember the deadliest catch show is that show still on i think there are versions of it still on it's going to live on forever on discovery or wherever it plays though that's a crazy gig because they pay a lot of money they pay a lot of money and you have to pay a lot of money because that you are risking your [ __ ] life yeah to try to get some crabs i don't think people realize how unforgiving the ocean is especially where those crabs are especially where those crabs are even even just in places where you know tides um rip currents swells like he gets we did cold uh cold weather training up in kodiak alaska that was actually one of the first trips that i had done when i checked into my first team and they do it otb or oth so over the over the beach where you come in zodiac and swim in and climb up or oth you drive out over the horizon to practice navigation [ __ ] dry suit in the arctic ocean which i'm not actually sure it's in the arctic ocean but it feels like it and then you come back in and then you swim across and then you climb up and uh i mean it'll punish you absolutely just punish you yeah i mean it's freezing cold outside the water is just above i mean it's probably 33 degrees because it's salty i believe it could be below freezing because of the salt yeah i don't think it ever maybe gets right to about that it's yeah because like there are places where salt water does freeze up obviously which is why you have the polar ice caps and why you have all those ice sheets you know i know it's cold enough to give you an ice cream headache and you immediately know whether or not the zippers are done correctly on your dry suit oh yeah that's where barklow taught i think he was up there i think for like 10 years he was running the kodiak cold weather facility which is phenomenal training
but it definitely gives you an appreciation for how little the environment gives a [ __ ] about you or your survival i think you're usable without a dry suit or a survival suit i think your usable time of consciousness is under 20 minutes if you go into that water jesus christ yeah and you might be conscious but i tell you what your functional ability is almost zero 20 degrees fahrenheit what but there's also 60 knot winds so that's like i don't know hey if you're gonna have one you need to have the other yeah the windshield's gonna be unbearable so the unpredictable weather off alaska's coast the greatest danger for the crab fisherman's face the most lucrative crab seasons occur in the fall and winter when the storms are especially fierce and the cold is especially brutal temperatures below 20 degrees fahrenheit minus seven celsius the spray from the choppy seas freezes on every surface of the boat making the strenuous work of crab fishing even more difficult the ice also threatens the stability of the boat adding up to 45 tons of weight to the pots alone holy [ __ ] 45 tons of weight of ice that's insane and look i mean a hundred thousand dollars is is a good sum of money but they're saying in a good year deckhands can make 100 grand for just a couple of months work in a good year what about a [ __ ] year yeah i mean i get 100 grand's a good amount of money yeah i'm not getting on that boat for 100 grand no if given the choice between getting on that boat or paying somebody a hundred grand not to i would pay the money yeah i take out a loan and be like i'm not getting on that [ __ ] boat it's not a good way to live but it's a good way probably when it's over you probably feel great when it's done it's like good appreciation yeah go out there and be seasonal i went with ranella we went um to uh prince of wales me and callum we we went on a black tail hunt up there and it rained every day all day every day oh i saw this episode you guys were drenched what i would describe as miserable it wasn't the most fun but one thing i will tell you is
that when it would have been more fun if we actually got a deer but what was really amazing was when we came back and we came back to california the sun just the everyday normal sun of l.a hitting my face felt [ __ ] amazing it felt so good i remember calling rennell up i go dude i have never been happier i am the [ __ ] happiest i've ever been and it's crazy it's like i don't think this happiness is available unless you're miserable i think you have to get miserable for a week and then when it's over then you really appreciate that sun because i was just used to the sun i completely took it for granted it was out there every day i'd be in that sun every day and it'd be like it was nothing but but because of that i was like oh my god this sun is incredible the way it felt on my face like i was so filled with joy and happy it goes right back to what we were talking about when we first started if you avoid adversity yeah you know you have to uh to appreciate the light you have to have some darkness you have to there's no you don't get those real moments of success and happiness and joy without struggle you have to go through something these people that want to just live on the couch there's no living on the couch there's no like all the golden years i want to hold hands and walk off into the sunset like hey man that's not a life like jordan peterson talked about that once in my podcast he's like what you know what do you want out of your life oh drink margaritas on the beach he goes okay for how long how long can you drink margaritas on the beach and it's like it's true it's like how long can you like an hour a day two days three days i could do that [ __ ] for a few years you think i'm thinking through it i could force it you're gonna get bored you're gonna get bored for sure you're gonna want to do something and that's what i think people have these distorted ideas of what they want out of their life and it's based on one day finding relaxation and comfort and this is the other thing they think like one day you're gonna make it and when you make it then all your troubles will go away that's not real it's a fairy tale
yeah if that is you're wasting your time you should have some troubles i mean i enjoy relaxing like everybody else does sure but if you have to pick two days one where you wake up and you're like oh man i don't have to do [ __ ] today i'm just gonna sit on the couch and watch tv or one where you get half a day to do that but you spent the first half of it busting your ass and getting everything done you have so much more appreciation that day than the day where that's just your life that's not that's not the way i want to live my life nor nor do i yeah and i i think people it's just an ideal it's a thing in their head it's a it's a dream it's not something they've really sat down and analyzed like what's going to be best for the future what's what's gonna what's gonna serve me the most it's gonna make me feel the best do you think a lot of people actually have those conversations with themselves no and that's part of the problem they don't look at their life and go what do i really want they look in terms of like oh i want that car oh i want to live in that house they have these ideas in their head that if they had these objects and these things and these at least they could show on paper that they're successful it'll make them feel good and i think kids are really [ __ ] up today looking at instagram instagram and tick tock and social media where they're seeing these people live these baller lifestyles and they look at that and like that's the goal are they actually bugatti but are they actually living that baller lifestyle too you know this as well as i do what shows up on instagram may not be your real life what hold on that's a theory that i'm working [ __ ] are you saying it's a theory i'm working on it's not proven yet you don't wait you don't think people expose themselves as with warts and all on instagram or social media no i do not yeah but i try very hard to not bawl on instagram much of a baller i think you'd actually do a really good job of it but kids i don't think have the filter to realize the level of [ __ ] that's occurring yeah and they get to like an instant
gratification place um your kid's a little bit younger than mine how do you manage their social media use they have a limited amount of time do they know the code to give them more the little [ __ ] you know what one of the little [ __ ] did one of the little [ __ ] gave their phone to the wife uh with uh screen recording little [ __ ] i already like this and so this child is a person oh my god this child is the smart well they're all smart but this one is devious and like while the wife is putting the code in the little [ __ ] has the video and so then got it like almost immediately and the wife had to figure it out like what is going on here and then she figured out that she gave her the phone with this it's kind of [ __ ] genius man i kind of appreciate it i was gonna say i deeply respect uh your daughter that did that it's pretty bad pretty badass like out of all the ways that they could have tried to figure that out like looking over your shoulder being sneaky just hand you the device and pretend like nothing's going on yeah but put a limit on my time no problem that's uh you've talked about the china curfew thing with kids playing a game yes that's a this is an issue oh is it they have like they use their parents or someone else in their family to face scan their device so then they can use their device i don't know exactly how they're doing it sweeping new facial scans will catch chinese kids playing past curfew oh whoa this is even from july oh so that means they're scanning kids without their knowledge like randomly well that's to make sure they're not playing but then the kids know that's happening so then they're going to make sure they're not that kind of crazy government overreach is so bizarre do you hear about the app they're giving people in beijing for the olympics yeah they're giving them this app to use during the olympics but this app is listening to every [ __ ] thing you say everything you do it's like total spyware do you think that the us government is
doing that to us as well no chance our government is amazing joe biden who's the most honorable and honest man who's ever lived that's why he's the president because he's the best we have andy is he though yes are the two candidates that we got to choose from the best that our country has to offer i believe we're having this conversation yeah you've had it many times so i can i can avoid it but yes yeah of course our government is doing that maybe they're not as uh i don't know maybe they're better at hiding i i often worry though that people think that our government is maybe more altruistic than others yeah china might be scanning faces again you go back to the patriot act and the the loss of privacy are they maybe monitoring it real time i'm not sure i think our real problem is if people start saying the only way we can compete with china is if we have the same sort of restrictions on our citizens that china has if we have the same ability to monitor our citizens if we have the same ability to implement laws the way china does that's that could be a real problem because one of the things that china's done it's so brilliant i'm not saying that we should do it but it is brilliant how they've got this connection between their business and their government that's inescapable you cannot make these big corporate decisions whether you're huawei or one of these big tech companies they work you know [ __ ] hand in glove with the government and because of that they make these they make these decisions not based on short-term interest of the corporation in terms of like stakeholders and you know what the shareholders want and yeah profits for the quarter they're they're looking at it in this long-term commitment like what's going to be best for the party economically i mean i guess i can understand that i worry a lot about quality of life oh and listen no doubt about it that's the number one problem the quality of life is terrible like we have you ever been no oh i've been to taiwan uh but not for a long
period of time i've been there during a stopover i've never been there for any long period of time i was there for about eight days it was interesting i went and visited um again i was working for crossfit i was kind of the go between between crossfit and reebok so i went to go see where they made the shoes um down in fujo china and uh it's pretty i mean it's wild it's different um from the construction the density uh air air quality perceived air quality obviously didn't have a sensor out there but perceived water quality working conditions working hours it's i think there's a cost to having the companies and the government tied like that there's no doubt yeah i don't recommend that at all for the united states it's terrible in terms of creativity and innovation and the ability to like have a dream and an idea and implement it and then become successful one of the things we love about america is entrepreneurial spirit we love the fact that someone can like like origin we're talking about jocko's company or or anything else like someone can create a company and make something and put it together and you know that's one of things that's beautiful about freedom is you have the ability to take a chance to do something that you you have a dream you can put it together and make it happen that's we all love that and when you take that away take away people's ability to take a chance and take people's abi take away people's ability to do what they want instead you have to do what the government wants as soon as you do that you you close the door on so much innovation you close the door on so many opportunities that you would have never predicted right because who knows how many ideas that have been implemented here because people have this wild spirit of like being creative and taking chance chances would have never happened if the same person grew up under a regime like the ccp i do worry though that people are becoming resistant to taking chances and being risky like that or getting off of the couch if you want to describe it that way so they'll value that less and the incremental if you again you want to
put the tinfoil hat on the incremental removing of those opportunities or ability to make those decisions they won't even realize what is lost because they don't value it because they never actually took a [ __ ] chance there's going to be people like that for sure but people like that that don't take chances they open up room for people that do take chances i don't think many people take chances i think there's enough i think there's enough but i think they're in the minority i think talking about it like this and having conversations with people who do take chances makes take taking chances exciting to the people that are listening i think part of the problem is they don't have enough to model there's not enough people out there that are taking chances where someone could model that and go that's what i want to do that's what i want to be you know because that's like it's like who you're modeling like if you if you grow up in a family where no one takes any chances and everybody just takes the safest easiest job they can have with the you know the least amount of risk and the most amount of security and and then they live this dull gray life like blah forever you you model that if that's what you're around and or you rebel and you rebel and you take a wild chance and in a lot of families if you try to take a chance your parents will be pissed at you i mean you know there's so many people out there that are hindered and then they're saddled down by the the problem of their own family having expectations on them you're supposed to be a lawyer you're supposed to be at this you're supposed to you know there's a lot of people like that out there that just the model that they copy is a model of like safety and where no one's no one's doing anything risky freedom is an amazing thing i think it's the most valuable thing that this country may have to offer but it doesn't mean a [ __ ] thing if you don't take advantage of it yeah
my friend fahim anwar is a [ __ ] really hilarious stand-up comic and he had to kind of lie to his parents he's an engineer and like brilliant guy and but wanted to be a comic and like his whole thing was like trying to get his parents to accept the fact that he's a comic it took a while that's rough he's super legit though if they see him it's hard to deny like once once you see him do stand up you're like that dude's funny as [ __ ] it's one thing i try to guard against with my kids i don't know if you're the same way like my biggest fear actually was any of my kids wanting to follow the path that i did none of them have expressed that and i would have supported it had they had they chose to i'm sure it wasn't my parents um they were like yay and you wanted to join the navy but they also didn't stop me they signed the paperwork when i was 17 did all that but for my kids to try not to limit them in any way and just to provide space to make choices obviously boundaries right i'm not going to let them take some wild haphazard risk and not be there as a safety net but the last thing that i want to do is feel like i'm trying to fit them into that ashtray like this is what i did so you have to do that i want them to have the exact opposite experience of that well that's often what happens with people right they take great chances and risks in their life and they do these scary dangerous things for a living and the last thing they want is their kids to do that like a lot of fighters never want their kids to become fighters i can see that yeah i can say that for sure yeah i don't i don't want the i don't want my kids following my path in the military it's actually i look back at my military career and uh i wish i could say that we were successful i think they'll be afghanistan for sure maybe iraq will be judged um probably as failures and my biggest concern is that other kids my kids age will have to have dust on their boots from those countries it's a tough one you think that's what's going to happen
again i think so at some point in time it may not be there but i think the same reasons i think uh again my personal opinion i don't speak for the military i don't speak for anybody else i'm largely renowned as an idiot so you don't have to listen to anything that i have to say but i think the reasoning for going into afghanistan looking in the rearview mirror was far more legitimate than the reasoning to go into iraq um i don't know if we solved any problems in either of those countries especially with how we left afghanistan and kind of more that's more how we're going to be viewed by the rest of the world and potential future partner forces and stuff like that but i don't think we saw i don't think we solve anything that's very unfortunate and many people share your concern and your thoughts it's not it doesn't seem in the way we pulled out of it too right well oh god i mean this that we could go on forever on this one there's there's a lot of different issues one people want to blame it all in biden which is fair to a degree but also unfair to a larger degree he was sitting in the seat at the time the decisions were made so he has to own those and the consequences that come from him but the decision to withdraw or draw down from afghanistan started probably in the obama administration into the trump administration and he inherited that so it's not as if his administration was solely responsible for the planning that again he was in the seat and when you're in the seat and [ __ ] starts going south change the [ __ ] plan to match the reality on the ground as opposed to what you think the pie in the sky is going to be because your enemy gets a vote in any plan or even in the business world right your competition gets a vote you got to be able to lateral to work your way through that
there's a lot of different ways that i think it could have gone down better they could have done it at a bagram which put a bottom some more dead space they could have done it in a more phased drawdown they could have listened to the military leadership that was saying hey maybe we keep a very small footprint a lot of different ways um what i will say is this in my experience with the people that i served with not a single person that i served with or that i know that served over there is surprised by what happened and by that i mean the taliban taking over many are surprised to include myself at the pace with which it happened but if you served in that country and you served alongside of that partner force if you tell me that you were surprised by what happened i would say that you might have a loose relationship with the truth because the the writing was on the wall for a very long period of time and i think i think we stayed far too long were you surprised that they gave up all the equipment that i don't i don't know if that was a mechanism of this is the date that we have to be out of here and everybody ignored that date until it was too late um you know the united states the military is is great at being at least in the modern era it's great of being surgical like the we went to afghanistan to try to root out the people that planned and executed 911 and we did so within i'll call it at a very long stretch 24 months you know we were there for 20 years i would say the longer that we were there the more equipment and material that goes with that we started building out stations and every out you know what i mean so like the more pieces that you put on the board it doesn't surprise me that that volume of stuff was left and to me that's more it just shows you know either they weren't really paying attention that we needed to draw down or there was so much stuff stuff there that they didn't know what to do with it but the taliban is the best armed and equipped that they've ever
been in the history of the taliban for sure which is so [ __ ] yeah it's so [ __ ] to watch them drive down the street in the humvees and flying the blackhawks like what yeah well it may not be them flying the blackhawks let's just say uh politely that there are other countries entities and organizations that don't really favor the united states and would do everything they could to be on the axis of whatever we're doing that will send mobile training teams over there that could fly on those things you know the day that we left them oh great fun yeah guys getting out of the military there's um there's not a lot of options for things to do that are as satisfying or as rewarding or as the the engaging there's a lot of guys when they come out they have a hard time finding out what is their what's their identity like what's the thing that they can do yeah when one of the things that you did other than the crazy [ __ ] like the flying squirrel suit that's not how i describe it but it's a flying squirrel no the crazy [ __ ] part oh it's a very normal behavior yeah it's not normal to break the world record in a flying squirrel suit that's ridiculous but you've transitioned into podcasting very successfully um what is that like for you is that was it is it surprising that that has become like a career now that aspect of it for sure um i think it was i think i met you about five years ago and i had been on i did a podcast with tate which is how i eventually met you he introduced me to brian shout out to tate fletcher he's a man amazing human being love him he so i did a a crossfit centric podcast first off i got invited to go do a podcast like what the [ __ ] is this like fine i'll go do it he introduces me to calendar and shop and i did the fighter and the kid and then i met you so the third podcast i had ever been on
mind you i had not listened to a podcast um the first time that you and i sat down i may have changed some of my answers i had no understanding of the size of your audience or what was going to come out of my mouth i was i needed to probably refine the thought expression of certain things but um it was your suggestion to start a podcast and my theory even in the military or just growing up is maybe listen to the person in the room who has the most experience or who is the most successful doesn't mean they're going to be 100 right but if somebody is saying hey i've done this for a long time and maybe you should check it out it'd be worth considering so i had absolutely no idea what it was going to be what i was going to talk about how i was going to do it but i took your advice and i started never thought for a second that it was going to be a profession or an occupation of any kind and i love it i love sitting down and exploring first off i i truly believe that the thing like i'm not excited by the stuff that i do but i'm fascinated by the stuff that other people do like how did you get to that that area how were you able to do that like how did you live your life or like some of the stories of adversity oh my god like i have nothing to complain about ever yeah ever you know a buddy of mine is like telling stories about drug addicted parents and he's like running through the [ __ ] desert barefoot to try to get to his grandparents house just to feel happy or safe i'm like oh my god like calling my parents like thank you very much you are like i'm sorry for anything that i ever did i am an unworthy piece of [ __ ] of the love that you have provided but it's been it's been amazing and and the financial aspect of it came way later on but it is by far the favorite thing that i do because i get to sit down and talk to people about what they are passionate about and it informs my opinion on things and it changes my
mind on stuff and i just think it's awesome to be able to sit there and have an exchange and have a dialogue um it's more than i ever thought it could be it's an unexpected education for sure right yeah it really is it's like it gives you an education on things in a way that you're hard-pressed to find anywhere else i mean i think back on my podcast and obviously a lot of them are filled with nonsense and just smoking pot and getting drunk and talking [ __ ] but there's been more than a thousand of them that aren't like that so it's like a thousand times i sat down with an expert for hours and got to pick their brain and ask them questions about whatever their field was and and and expand my my my knowledge my just just understanding of different things in life substantially like i am such a different person than i was 10 years ago say just just from that it constantly reminds me of how little i know yeah is maybe an easy way to put it because there's maybe skydiving in some aspects of the military maybe a little bit on the shooting side of the house i could talk at from a from a level of experience that it exceeds maybe most people on every other topic on the face of the planet i'm the amateur in the room right and it's just i i enjoy being in that place where you kind of get knocked back on your heels you're like oh um i thought i knew i was talking about right i don't know [ __ ] so you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna use my facial features and they're in the ratio that i have two eyes two ears and one mouth and we're gonna use them like that we're gonna we're going to watch we're going to listen and then talk last it's been a really interesting evolution and a lot of it was where all of it was due to your uh suggestion so i have you to thank for that i wonder how many people i've gotten to start a podcast about 3.5
million would be my guess this i think there's three million podcasts out there now but i mean i wonder how many people have talked into doing podcasts it's been a lot jocko is another one yeah i think tim ferriss had a play in that as well because i had heard jocko on tim ferriss that's true he did it before and then he did yours and then i got in my mind but it was one of the first things i said to him is like dude you have to do a podcast because you know he's got such an intense voice he doesn't in the way he talks about things it's like you're like jesus christ jocko um but i just firmly believe it's one of the best self-starter businesses it's almost like a business in a box i wouldn't look at it as a business when you start them no that's the one piece of advice i would give people oh yeah because i actually know get hit from people like hey man do you think it's just that they do ask that one or they'll say how do i become the new joe rogan and that just gets swiped into the garbage can boy good luck sir i don't even know how i did it yeah i think that's why you were able to do it i mean i can't speak for you but i would imagine that you tried to stay true to who you were and explore things that were interesting for you and here you are i'm stunned that it worked i'm stunned that it still works i'm just like constantly amazed yeah it's uh it is not what like you're saying i would push back and i would say that there aren't limited options for people getting out of the military it's easy for people getting out of the military to say that there are limited options but i don't care what you do in the military you are going to leave with skill sets and an understanding of things like discipline teamwork uh integrity communication to name just a few of the many usable tools that you can put into your virtual tool belt do they give you um guidance in terms of having the ability to take those tools and utilize them
outside of the military that's a polite way to say this uh no that's the problem in some ways well the military has you know basic training is about eight weeks long but on average it is in the navy at least unless they've changed it i think that the marine corps is the longest when i got out of the military there was a one-week course called taps the transition assistance program and i'm not sure what the s stands for and it was about how to submit for your va ratings it's about the educational opportunities none of the classes are about what you're asking so they spend a lot of energy which they have to because we have a very in my opinion at least me based society and they they break you of that and put you into a we based ecosystem but on the way out for the people who are smart they'll give themself about 12 months and they'll really focus on the next horizon but i know people who don't even start thinking about it until they're they're a week from getting out and they go to the taps programs but but again i mean whose fault is that right you know it's you have to take some ownership of the the course that your life is gonna take yes it can be jarring to lose a sense of camaraderie or community and yes you can feel isolated because you're no longer with your tribe and the job is totally different and in the same breath like [ __ ] get over it you need to move on you need to do something else and for me one of the things that drives me the most is i do not want to be defined by what i did a lifetime ago i hate it and i'll always have the trident hanging over my head and i couldn't be more proud that i was in that community but at the end of the day i'd rather that just be a footnote instead of the title across the top and i think people would be better off if if they took that philosophy and approach in my opinion which again is limited to only that but it's not an easy path it might take them some time they might feel lost a little bit but that's okay that's often the case with
anybody when they're leaving one career and going into another career but it seems like with military it's it's such a it's so demand especially like in your line of work it was so it's so demanding so all encompassing that sometimes it's very difficult when they get out to try to find a new almost like a new identity yeah and the military is very task oriented so you get used to having problems that's presented to you like here's our training block which you know which a training command will set up for you and you show up it's like here's your gear list here's what we're doing today and boom boom boom boom boom somebody's providing for that for you they're looking at the trajectory of here's 18 months of training that you're going to go through and you're not going to facilitate it and at the end you're going to go on deployment and it's it uh it's hard and i say this from personal experience when you leave that being presented with tasks that you have to go out and find them and i i mean [ __ ] i had i've reinvented myself out of the military like i said i worked for crossfit for a bit i threw my hat in the ring to be a professional skydiver and base jumper i flew uh corporate aircraft for almost two years i the public speaking thing like and all of those is like it's trying to what's gonna work what's gonna be the next in the end what it ended up being is i didn't have the time to fly and i didn't like the duration of the time skydiving and base jumping i absolutely love i'm very passionate about it but where i live now it's a little bit uh prohibitive getting access to it so oh and then podcasting and even add that which you know so it's a combination of those things that are left and i get a sense of fulfillment from all of that you need you know jiu-jitsu even ties into that too it's another it's another i mean one of the things i love about jiu-jitsu is my training partners it could be jiu jitsu be so gay if you had to like do it by yourself like training caught us right it wouldn't be
the opposite god it would be the exact opposite of gay well i think that but the community i know what you're saying yeah well they're exceptional people the thing about it is like the the type of people that you do jiu jitsu with are the type of people that do jiu jitsu so the type of people that are they're interested in doing something that's incredibly difficult so hard to like you get to black belt and jiu jitsu like if i meet someone they tell me they're a jiu jitsu black but i'm like okay that's all you did it you you did that's a lot of [ __ ] you had to get through to get that's a long [ __ ] trudge of a road it's a no metric for sure yeah but i mean it's not impossible that uh i couldn't be more proud of the time that i spent in the military i'm very proud of the fact that i am a veteran and i was able to serve i have i have criticism of segments of the veteran culture who can't move past their service they will often point at a lot of obstacles that are in their way and ignore the fact that they placed them there and their life would be better and the in the perception of the veteran community at large would be better if they were able to move past that like one of the biggest things that irritates me is this broken toys narrative i absolutely hate it war doesn't have to break you at all does it break some people [ __ ] yes it does i think i'm a better person because of it i think i have more of a passion for life i think i can love deeper because of my experiences i think i have more of a respect for life but having been put into places where i had to make decisions to take it and i i feel i'm more prepared to solve problems i have more of an emotional depth than i did before going in and that's because of that experiences and like i said it does break some people but if you look at if you look at trauma or post-traumatic stress which i don't
believe is a disorder and i think we should focus far more on post-traumatic growth as opposed to post-traumatic stress because you can navigate that come out of it stronger the math supports that specifically in the civilian world even more so than in the military world but there's a [ __ ] up financial incentive in the military veteran world to actually not get better because they could potentially reduce your rating from the va which reduces the amount of money that you get so it the whole point in saying all that is it's very possible to be a better version of yourself from those experiences but nobody's going to do it for you it's not that it's easy but it's totally possible veterans aren't broken i think they should be held to a higher standard than other people because they come out of that environment where they have those tools they have those experiences and i don't care what you do in the military you know it the emphasis they place on same thing you know teamwork integrity communication all that stuff discipline it's it's more than what i have seen being taught anywhere at any traditional school so you have those tools you have an advantage hold them to a higher standard don't let them get away with [ __ ] well said here here andy stump you're a bad [ __ ] i appreciate you i don't know about that but i think so i'll say it um cleared hot it's available everywhere you can get it on itunes and all that jazz right where is it on spotify it is it is on the spot youtube are you on youtube i am on the tube of you yes do they ever [ __ ] with you i don't know what they would [ __ ] with me about somehow they get weird with some episodes they will demonetize stuff there you go but i always just hit the button that says have a review and i've never had one that got kicked back to where really yeah well let's see after this episode this is gonna be on your channel it doesn't matter they're gonna know about [ __ ] you're a part of the machine yeah all
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