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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day he so jam is the cool Cheers Cheers my friend so good to see you you too these wildest of times oh my God the wildest right ah I have no words for it I no one does then your words change and and you know you see a lot of people that are trying to uh say things because they want to assure themselves and then they want to find other people that agree with them is like like Twitter is such a dangerous thing for people who are mentally unstable during these trying times you watch people lose their minds yeah well it's a form of escapism it is but it's also um they're they're trying to find some stability in in a time where there is no stability and there's some people that are very uncomfortable with uh the unknown they're very uncomfortable with things being like in a state of flux they don't they don't know how this is going to work out and they get serious anxiety you know cuz some people they just they're just not good under pressure and this is a thing where everyone's Under Pressure yes yes so you see all all these people that are freaking the [ __ ] it's because oh I know those folks haven't had to deal with pressure right I mean like think about yourself you've had to deal with a lot of pressure right yeah you're Thrive Under Pressure I did I do and like you know I I you know witness the challenge in front of me and then I'm like well what what the [ __ ] are you going to do are you going to freak out and I have like a a nice bandwidth for my you know understanding with myself so I've I went through all that last year like I I really like you know I didn't tour at all 2020 and so like I was alone a lot and I had to like work on some [ __ ] yeah that's rough and and you know what's interesting is um I I did this thing where I like figured some stuff out because like when you're on the road you know you can just like leave your [ __ ] like you're just busy like what's in front of you is is a show and you're entertaining and you have and you're exhausted you don't sleep that much and it's go go go go go and then when like time stopped last year I was like oh man I got all this baggage I got to unpack it and I don't want to but I did and it was it was like
kind of profound and when I decided to move to Austin I that was like part of this thing that I just discovered of like great change that needed to take place in my life and then I I mean I I met the love of my life when I got here which is crazy because I had just signed on to this autonomous plan of not dating anyone for nine months like I and like I did it for a couple months and it was awesome it was like the best I'd ever felt like making sure it was just me no one's I'm not letting anybody in this is I've got something I have to do and then when I stopped caring about it is when I like the stars aligned if you will and I I feel that way about the anxiety around my career like the more I'm like I have no control over what's happening they cancel my shows whatever you know like I was getting really sad about it I was getting really anxious and depressed and then like the more I'm just like you said earlier you know uh this challenge of of what I can't do like it's actually kind of nice I'm just letting it go I I'll take what I can get I see what you're saying you it's like you found like a balance in yourself and then you m met someone like that's that's like the if you would talk to like a psychologist clearly I'm not one of those but if you could I would give you some bad advice I i' like [ __ ] suck it up be the worst psychologist ever but I I think they would all tell you that that's when you're going to make your healthiest choices because you're comfortable with yourself it's like when people get desperate right like what that's one of the things like you an attractive person could be desperate and it makes them unattractive totally it's the weirdest thing about human nature it's like we can't attribute it all to like the shape of a face or the the the shape of a body there's something about a person the way they hang out the way they talk to you like you're not compatible with everybody you know and some people they just have a hard time sinking up and when they they they come off desperate and then everybody gets grossed out and so like do you know that there's a thing I've really struggled with that on the receiving end of like feeling like I owe people that energy like well you're very kind that's why you're a very kind person I'm getting better at saying no
but that was like a really hard thing for me to to not like just like you know run myself ragged trying to be whatever someone expected of me when at the end of the day I was like I don't like this I'd rather remove myself from this situation but I'm a late bloomer there well no one really knows how to do it because everybody's like whoever you are now like hopefully no matter how old you are when you listen to this whoever you are now is the best version of yourself but we don't all start at the same starting point that's it's a hard thing to recognize but as I've gotten older and hopefully a little bit wiser I've recognized that in more and more people it's like we all start at a different spot and it everybody's got their own challenges and weird [ __ ] Journey so what it takes for you to just get your [ __ ] together and even if it's not in comparison to how your [ __ ] have your [ __ ] together in 10 years you know hopefully you'll be better at it in 10 years but we're all like well it's that waiting thing that's where you get [ __ ] up because like I'm if I'm waiting for the success I've always wanted or the return I want to see on my hard work I'm going to be miserable MH so like the choice is well what are you going to do with that that worry or that that energy and so um and I mentioned this earlier like I have to create I have to create I have to make music and wherever that that lands wherever that music goes you know obviously I have some say in it but a lot of it isn't up to me especially now since everything's digital and you know it just goes where it goes you know if it goes viral or whatever that means anymore um but uh well at least you can create like imagine being like a crazy actor and not being able to work for a year like you can't act like there's some people that they have to do whatever it is they do whether it's acting or comedy or whatever singing they feel like that's them that's their identity and if you take away their identity for like a whole yearh like people can really struggle with who the [ __ ] they are you don't get the the thing that you love to do you can't do whatever it is like so many things were taken away from people so many things that people enjoyed doing live performance was a big one right yeah so we all went kind of crazy yeah
we they took our medicine away yeah yeah isn't it weird like you realize what first of all you realize a that that can happen and then you like when it keeps happening for like long periods of time you start going we why am I giving up agency to other humans that are making poor choices poor choices for the economy poor choices socially poor choices for how we look at life and risk like what do we and then how much Faith are we putting in pharmaceutical companies yeah I mean well it now all of a sudden you have to lift a finger you have to stop being a baby and you have to actually like do your work like have an understanding and have discernment and a lot of us don't have that you just can't give up control the the the thing that everybody's worried about now is us moving into some sort of a digital social passport system yeah that is 100% possible that can happen we have to be really careful about that and people like why would that be such a bad idea because you can't that people do people are saying it the same people that don't look regardless of how you feel about vaccines regardless of how you feel feel about vaccines the real problem is having a mandate the real problem is telling someone you have to do something correct even if you're right the real problem is telling someone that they have to do something and this one's a weird one especially when there's no proof that any of this works well there's there's proof that it works it definitely it def the vaccines when they're working on people definitely seem to improve their outcomes they definitely make whatever the uh the illnesses they make it less severe but so does being in shape so does having a high level of vitamin D I'm not saying it imparts the same amount of protection but it's it's a protection that's ignored they' they know now and they've known for a while that Co attacks fat cells MH there's a there was a New York Times piece about it the other day but they don't you don't hear this like expressed over and over get in the news like you hear all these other things buy like a new pill coming out or a new this or you got to do that or make sure you do this and triple mask and whatever it is they don't tell you well there's here's a sign that for sure if you're overweight
we we should fix this collectively we should talk about this the same way we talk about all these other pandemics let's talk about the pandemic of people just not being healthy yeah well you know that becomes this touchy subject of like the way you know be yourself is celebrated and you know being healthy is anti it's very weird it's very backwards to be yourself is celebrated I get it because here's the thing most people that are like severely overweight are like I'm again not a psychologist but I would I would say there's issues absolutely other than just the physical that like make you want to eat that much food right it's it's a crazy Addiction whe I mean it's and I don't think it's much different than all the other ones the gambling ones or what whatever whatever drug ones it's a similar thing I think yeah and you can't just expect people to fix it on their own so this whole like you know you're okay being you movement you're beautiful as you are it's good psychologically for these people cu the the concede is that these people are damaged right that something's wrong that's why you're you've eaten all this horrible food whether it's something's wrong with it it education wise or whether it's something wrong emotionally like someone hurt your feelings and and put you in a bad place in Life or you grew up in a household that's shitty or that has poor food choices and whatever the [ __ ] thing is obviously you and I are different than those folks but why you know we should definitely like appreciate each other but we also should be honest and just we should say we can all fix this we can fix this body thing yeah it's it's for some people I know and it's very it's very sensitive and um you know at the end of the day uh some of the people I care about that are overweight it it's um it's difficult because uh it it is it feels like you're watching someone hurt themselves you know um in a way that uh there are other choices for healthier outcomes but it's not up to it's it's weird it's like it's such a taboo you know you can't really say anything and no you can't um yeah I it's really tricky people get super super offended by it you know it's like if you it's not that much different than a cigarette thing but if you tell cigarette people
they're like I know I know well it's sort of the question is like are you happy and if they are then like [ __ ] hands off not my call and if you say no I'm not I'm actually really uncomfortable or I'm miserable or well then there's another conversation to be had but again it's like it's so much easier to say that to an alcoholic you know be like like hey I see you really destroying yourself and I love you and I'm here for you what can I do to help you you know it's so much more socially acceptable for that right um but it's yeah it's a body shaming issue that's a you know a shame that's not the case I would never do that to anybody it's not about shame it's about concern and care of for your well-being you know like that's that's it yeah it's the the the bad feeling is what we're trying to avoid right we're trying to avoid people having a bad feeling yeah I think there's ways to you know address the positive aspects of losing weight and not so much the negative aspects of being fat you can you could explain to people and they can do the math themselves instead of like poting you know you can tell them that they they probably could use it but let them figure it out on their own but the most important thing is like get everybody [ __ ] doing something you know I I've realized this just over the last few days because you know over Christmas break family was over and there was a lot of food and I ate like a whole pie I ate what kind of pie so much I ate so much I ate everything I ate pumpkin I ate Cherry you ate more than one pie oh no I ate a lot collectively I Suzanne I have a real problem with food so I understand people that are you've got the metabolism of a dragon so you're fine but I work it off and I do also I trick I do little tricks like I don't eat for like you know 2 4 hours after I eat something horrible like that yeah I let it burn through my system but I'm so stupid cuz I pay the punishment like I felt like [ __ ] for the rest of the day I felt like [ __ ] headache or anything like sugar stuff exhausted I was like this is what I felt like just just I had a whole pie in me at least one pie I had so much pie did you take the day off no there's too many this family over there was too much too much High everybody doing thing yeah yeah having fun but it was um I but
just a few days if I just go 3 days with no working out MH I start to feel like no working out and eating pie I feel like [ __ ] aw that's just three days but all your chemicals are [ __ ] up your endorphins are you're not getting your serotonin and all that stuff it's basically like pulling the cork out of the bottom of your bathtub just Po and all the [ __ ] youu juice just runs down through the drain all the U juice and the pie and the key lime whatever makes you you it just all like runs on E it's like cuz you are you when you're feeling your best right that's that's the best version of you you definitely don't have that after to eat a pie well here's how I feel about those designated like food party days and drinking like I have to tell myself in advance you're going to eat like a [ __ ] and just no complaining like you know what you're going to do yeah I'm a sweet salty kind of gal so I'll like eat the pie and then eat some Fritos and then but then I want the sweet stuff again and it's it's a cycle and um and I just like I have to like prepare myself and know like this is the day and then tomorrow you're you know back at it but uh it's yeah I feel you I felt like I had a headache on Christmas cuz I ate so many cookies and um yeah no I was just like it's poison you know it's poison I know your body's like what the [ __ ] is this isn't it funny that we've created something that almost everybody loves that's terrible for you m like a cookie like one of them giant ones oh my God but they're so good yeah well it's funny like cultures are you know wrapped around food in this way that's really interesting like you know you go to the South or like you know New Orleans you get beignet and stuff like that like you like you have to get a donut and barue a yeah yeah and like that [ __ ] [ __ ] me up man like I I love it but I'm I have a super sensitive stomach and um you know it's interesting how you have these obligations sometimes in that way whereas like you know no one's putting a gun to your head no but if you want pizza and it's right there you want that pizza did you see the video that I put on my Instagram little baby eting Pizza For the First Time J seen that how adorable is that that little face can you play it for me that little face cuz this is not an act yeah this is a baby baby I said it's it's a
baby baby genuine so when she rolls her eyes back while she's eating that pizza it's like no one feels happier no one taught her how to do that to do that but it's so Bliss cuz like if that was a commercial for your pizza holy [ __ ] would you make a [ __ ] billion dollars off that pizza just from that ad you know I was just telling my man yesterday I I said I never order pizza uh and I grew up you know my family owned an Italian restaurant so we had pizza like four times a week and pasta and and it was part of our Our Lives um but I always had stomach aches but I'd still eat it and like you know my mom would be like you're faking I'd be like no my stomach really hurts and and to this day uh if I if I don't if I have like that white bleach flour gluten you know in a pizza or a burrito I'm totally [ __ ] I'm just I'm like I'm not I'm like incapacitated for a few hours it's glue I know it's GL you're glue yeah I know so you know I I realized that like there was this time in my life where I ate that stuff all the time and I love it but it's just you know if I if I want to suffer I will eat it um and I'll probably enjoy it for a minute before it all goes downhill have you ever had any of that there's a certain kind of I can do some free sometimes it's okay but there's a certain type of gluten there's a certain type of uh flour what is it called double O flour is that what it's called there's like it's a non- gentically modified flower okay now again I'm a [ __ ] but I've but mayard Keenan told me this and uh he he actually grows food he grows wine and makes his own wine and [ __ ] yeah he's got like a Vineyard caducus for like he knows the [ __ ] and he said that essentially what used to happen was they used to have like a very low yield grain and over the years of [ __ ] with it they've turned into a very high yielded grain but it has more these glutens in it more whatever the whatever a complex but is that specifically to the US or because you know you go to Europe they have different flower let's watch this baby Pizza yeah no their flowers different I don't think they I don't think their flowers as modified as ours watch this little baby watch this we got to take small bites she takes a [Laughter]
bite oh my God that baby's that's just pure Bliss look at this baby look at her close her eyes and lean her head back it's amazing wow it's so adorable I know it oh my God that's pure Bliss that baby's like yes yes and this is where it starts yeah pure Bliss like oh when she was doing that with her lips too like oh Jesus this is so good I mean can't really blame her I just love when things are like that when you see like a pure expression that like you can't teach a kid that yeah that's just she's just she that's who she is she's not putting it on yeah when she she didn't know how it looks when she makes that face she just ate the pizza and she's like oh yeah kids are amazing like that though with joy you know like you know what's amazing about kids is like they can take a compliment yeah like when you say hey that's pretty cool and they're like yeah I'm the best you know and and like no adult would ever say that cuz whenever we get a compliment we always say something bad about ourselves you know Le I do it's something I've had to work on is say thank you instead of like but kids are you know their Joy is is until you know they reach a certain age or you know you know hopefully nothing bad happens but like the the joy in them is is amazing it's so beautiful well they're they haven't been [ __ ] up yet yeah right you know don't I know it they all they all have like different levels of whatever the [ __ ] it is to be a person different levels of like personality factors they're like wired in from birth MH like you could have like five kids from the same family they have totally different personalities my God I know like what the what okay but what is that you have siblings what is yeah just one sister but like what is that like what makes someone so many things there's [ __ ] so many factors of what it means to be a person nurture and I think there's some spirituality involved sometimes I know I know um and like which makes it like equally as I don't want to say as exciting but like terrifying as it you know apparent to think like oh my God this one time said this thing and then the kid was never the same you know or you know I guess you kind of have to leave that up to you know fate or whatever but um it's it is fascinating how I mean I would say my sisters and I
were raised differently because of our different personalities and our uh you know predispositions to whatever trouble all of us would get in which we're all very different troubles you know we all did different bad stuff you have to find your bad stuff but I was always upfront about my bad stuff I think that's why I'm so close with my parents like I moved to New York City when I was 16 and I was on my own when I was 17 and they were like we believe in you go get it Jesus Christ like you know I was like going to bars and stuff and you know I 17 they they let me go to Tokyo when I was 16 for six weeks [ __ ] and I um cuz I I used to be a model when I was a teenager and like I look back and I'm like I can't believe they let me go like you know I didn't let me turn this down cuz it's buzzing yeah if everybody's like something wrong with [ __ ] Jamie it's not Jamie's fault me that was me and my start practice amp well I'll sing in a little bit what it wouldn't have made it to the mix no I could have taken that out yeah you could have really you're such a pro he's a pro I know the mix well we'll just take it out anyway folks there's a little bit of feedback um yeah they let me go to Tokyo and like I was uh going to the club every night and like I I'm not not a joke I like was hanging out with the Yakuza and and like like they would take take me and my friends out to dinner but nothing nothing funny like I I came back I remember I landed at the Cleveland Hopkins airport and I was like Mom Dad I drank a lot I tried ecstasy I'm still a virgin I had a great time thank you for letting me go uh you know like I didn't get into too much trouble but wow but I mean I I was like I was very uh open with them about who I was and so I think we had a a trust and and I I had values even though I was I had all this Freedom like I wasn't um I wasn't going to be a hoe you know like I wasn't going to be stupid I had things that I really cared about that were important to me so you know as much fun as I like to have I still felt responsible you know um the idea that you should coddle your children is being challenged all the time you know and uh Jonathan height he's uh he's he's one of those guys it's into like freerange children like let your kids figure their way home oh [ __ ] yeah like let your 9-year-old figure
their way home in New York City that's that's rough well I mean it is but I did it when I was a kid I mean I think the world's more I mean the question is is the world a more dangerous place now or do we perceive it as a more Danger dous place cuz we know the danger now like the danger was always there it just wasn't as highlighted like I almost got molested twice when I was a kid yeah I remember you telling the story it's scary CU I think like if there someone wasn't there that recognized it at the library when I was I guess I was like eight or nine or something like that I'm not sure how old I was I I don't totally remember but if that lady wasn't there and she didn't see that man trying to escape with me who knows I mean I might have been dead that might who know who the [ __ ] knows I have no idea yeah but you did you have the discernment at the time that you were in trouble or did you think you were going to go play with some puppies or I thought I was gonna play with puppies yeah I thought he was going to show me some books I was completely naive yeah I think I told you about this once too like I we were pretty you know I grew up in uh Parmer Ohio until middle school which is pretty blue collar and uh so you get a lot of you know like working folks and a lot of Alcoholics and like there were total like you know pedophile like stuff on the street and you just be like oh don't go to that house you know it was just kind of like it was just like common knowledge that um you know to to know where your um understanding of trouble was and I I feel like um actually the song I want to sing to you is about that and I I've I had that like Revelation not that long ago about how fortunate I feel to have had this upbringing where I experienced real life and I wasn't coddled um I mean I I have great parents um and they they took really good care of us uh we're so loved and supported but like I have the opportunity to be outside a lot and like you know play outside be home by dinner like people don't do that anymore they have play dates they have like supervised you know like it's not I mean I'm sure in some places your kids can go play outside but um I mean like there was this kid who would walk through Tree Line uh of our backyard every day in Army fatigues and a a BB
gun and I always got a sick feeling every time I saw him and at one point our babysitter told us that uh he he tried to force himself on her and like she lived with her grandfather so if that doesn't tell you like that's a tough situation so my I remember my parents going to talk to her grandfather and like years later this guy like was a convicted serial rapist like dozens of women in the Greater Cleveland area and I used to see him every day looking out the back kitchen window walking across our backyard and like I mean it's just you know I look back at that stuff and it's it's very sad but it's also like but I knew something you know obviously like something's wrong with that kid you know right but you could have got in a bad situation right like well there was I think I told you this on the podcast this was a story I told a long time ago there was another kid who uh so when I was little I was I still am but I was obsessed with fishing you said when I was little but I still am I'm still obsessed with fishing oh I love fishing I love thought you me you're still little em some ways Joe I am well I hope we all keep a little bit of that you know yeah I'm I'm like you know I'm excitable adult so I feel like a little kid sometimes I think that's good I think that helps really good yeah yeah um so I was playing in the backyard by myself specifically I was trying to make a seesaw but I was by myself so you really need to for that the whole like you need someone on the other end and I didn't have any shoes on and this one boy I can't remember his name but he was my sister's age so he was like three or four years older than me so he's like a Bo like a boy like you know adolescent I think I was like nine and um he came out of the woods and he said Suzanne there's a largemouth bass in the creek you got to you got to come see it and I was like holy [ __ ] let me get my shoes and I I mean I was so excited like nothing would have stopped me from going to see a a largemouth bass in the creek and I ran up to my room and I put my shoes on and I don't think my parents were home I think my sisters were there and as I started to run out the door like there was something in me that like I got clotheslined and just was gripped with
Terror and I and I can't explain it I can't tell you no one said anything to me because like I was a pretty determined kid so if someone told me something cool was happening I was going to be there and I look back and obviously there's no chance that kind of fish would be in the creek it was just crayfish and you know like nothing there's no fish in the creek and you know later this kid was like hurting animals in his Treehouse like he I remember he like blew up a squirrel and um I really think that uh that was a a powerful moment in my life where it could have gone another way cuz I do believe that the boy would have hurt me but yeah I mean it's pretty crazy when I think about the time uh when I was in the library um you know as an adult thinking back on it like how crazy it is that someone got to a point where they were essentially my age or maybe a little younger I I don't remember how old the guy was we might have been in his 20s from for all I know I was a little kid they just it was just a man you know like that that kind of person exists where they go to places where kids hang out they try to catch Strays crazy they try to catch some stray kid that's not under protection not under the watchful eye of a parent just wandering around mhm well I mean like that's our version of like we have this version of bad guys but like you know you go to Europe and like the abductions and like human trafficking is like through the roof yeah it's uh terrifying because they find people in basements and [ __ ] and like there was a woman who just got um she she was missing and they found her in a basement so you can find the story they found her in a basement covered in Coal like some guy had grabbed her and and put her in his [ __ ] basement I think she was gone for a couple days you know what is the story what is the um I think the world is different I mean look at this missing Utah College student found alive and covered in coal in man's basement Utah College student was found nearly 90 mil from campus in the home of a man who's been charged with kidnapping and rape police said holy [ __ ] [ __ ] how long was she there well you know 5day Manhunt for
missing 19-year-old college student concluded with police finding her alive after a harrowing ordeal a Utah man is now in custody holy [ __ ] she was found naked and covered in coal in a coal storage area of a home in Lowa Utah on December 18th oh my God you remember um the girls in Cleveland I mean not to keep this this is pretty dark we're having a dark conversation here but I was home when they were found right there was like 10 girls three girls three girls I made it up I made the one girl had been there for I believe I believe 13 years but the two were there for 10 oh my God and um like but it I mean it's it's crazy I was home when they discovered it was insane it was three women missing for a decade why did I think I was 10 and a six-year-old that one of the child child oh and he kept the baby with the the women in the cage holy [ __ ] yeah so I guess oh my God I guess there is a yeah we do have to keep our head on a swivel well this is what's crazy Susan what's crazy is that this even though as horrible as it is that it exists in 2021 the thing is it's rare that's what's weird if you look at human history I mean I think people have been doing that kind of thing to people forever for a long time forever forever just grabbing people snatching them like that I mean we're we're we're we're like a you know just an advanced primate but I think with that said like there's a I feel and maybe I don't want to toot my own horn here but I I feel like there's a degree of my uh Instinct that I have now that like you know oh this feels familiar or this doesn't feel right you know and I I've gotten really good at just going with it even if I'm wrong I'd rather be wrong and look like a crazy person than right and in trouble yeah but you probably wouldn't be wrong wrong you're pretty easygoing I don't think I think I think you recognize patterns and you recognize like squirrly thinking from a person where someone just seems off something about the reaction seems off and you're like I got to get out of here you know I'll see you later well people can pretend to have their [ __ ] together for a long time like people can trick you
for a long time especially if you're sweet if you're a nice person TR trying to make friends and then you let someone into your mids and you go oh you're [ __ ] crazy there's a lot of work huh you just dumped all this work on me like they they'll sell you something it's like the previews and then you watch the movie you're like hey yeah this is not the movie why did I pay $5.99 for this crap this is a total different movie yeah oh man well you want to hear a song I do want to hear song I want I want to let's go change course cuse this is that too loud okay you know what's funny this is called mercy and your nurse outside Mercy what a gem she's awesome [Music] your mama came running out of the house while looking her eyes you trailed her all the way down the block to she sat right down and cried curtains swaying in every window crack venician blast yeah it could be any one of us with a broken mind yeah it could be any one of us with a broken mind and I learned about [Music] Mercy I learned about mer Mercy for everyone else and for myself I learned about [Music] Mercy yeah I was just a kid then skinning my knees in Woodberry Hills trying to make a little sense my heart got crushed when the cat got killed was a mean man down the block with his keep outside and his poison milk how I learned to keep the door locked thought of it still gives me chills and I learned about Darkness I learned about Darkness heavy like sick or hidden in a kiss I learned about Darkness [Music] sometimes I don't know how to be how to shut my mouth how to let things breathe and it gets so hard to see with my history standing in front of me [Music] I always fought with my sisters White Knuckle and nonsense hands full of blisters they felt like strangers they still do know sometimes they're
saviors sometimes they're Savior and I learned about [Music] changes I learned about ch anges you win some you lose some cry about things that used to be fun but you're changing yeah we're changing yeah we changeing [Music] that's beautiful thanks I like it thank you some new [ __ ] I love it some new [ __ ] you know I just played uh at Anton's here in Austin I love that place with uh Gary's whole band it was so much fun and then um he and Nicole were there so we we snacked that was the 15th right the 15th yeah it was fun I had a gig otherwise I would have been there in with us oh really well when you guys did Midnight Rider that one time you love it don't play it you'll get in trouble love it I know I don't know if we're get in trouble now that we're on Spotify I think we get away with it we are in trouble over on YouTube love love playing with Gary uh he's just so cool yeah he's so cool but the two of you guys together I'm telling you it's fun that is a wild combination you guys should record some [ __ ] for sure we're you know we we've been hanging out in the studio a little bit it's been you must you two together with his [ __ ] guitar and your voice holy [ __ ] so fun so I got rer dude that was special I really wish you guys would record that oh yeah well you you should you really should record that cuz Gary has his own sound Gary's one of those guys where he's so like I have no musical information I don't know how to play [ __ ] true no no I don't know anything I don't know how to but but you're a listener I'm a listener but I'm what I'm saying is like I don't know how to play guitar I don't know what what's involved I know you move your fingers looks beautiful The Sounds incredible but I know that some people they can make it sing and you hear them like Gary's one of those people he plays that guitar when he's playing that that solo and Midnight Rider I'm like oh my God that's Gary Clark Jr doing Midnight Rider like if you played it for me I'm like a somal at a fancy restaurant like it feel like it comes from another place you know what I mean like he's he's a real he's
like channeling something he's putting himself into his like that's Gary Clark Jr that music is him like you can hear him in the it's pure there's something he hits these not you're like oh that's Gary yeah but but everybody plays guitar so not everybody but obviously it's hard to do a signature and his voice is so good yes I uh couple like a month ago was it a couple weeks yeah it was a month ago I I got this call I was at the mall buying jeans and and I got a call and they said hey can you be in Cincinnati tomorrow their openers got Co and I was like [ __ ] yes and I got on a plane and I opened for them for two nights by myself and it was so much fun because um one I got to just like play music for people uh but two they have a bubble you know um and I rode on the bus with them SOB a bubble like yeah like you're you're with the crew you're tested every day and don't go hang out with friends in St Louis so I just got to play I didn't have to go out and sell merch or anything and then just watch them and it was so [ __ ] awesome they're so good the whole band Eric saata Elijah Ford JJ Johnson uh John Keys like his whole band is is phenomenal no he's he's also in touch with some amazing musicians here I know you know like the Peterson Brothers how badass are those D they're so sweet but they're also so [ __ ] talented and you watch the two of them together you're like oh my God there's two of them I know they're so nice they're so nice but they're so talented and you know it's like Gary's music is like it fits perfectly in this town too you know what I mean it's like it does it well he's from here you know this is his this is his court you know you can tell like it fits um and it's it's really cool but he's you know he's such a good dude yeah he's [ __ ] I'm it's like I'm such a fan that like you know I want to pet brother with him oh I love it what when was this 2016 it was a long time ago it's like who's drumming [Music] yeah this is 2016 yeah a long time ago this is back when the world was real oh my God back before we enter into the metaverse you know we're on we're on machine time now you know like it's moving so fast we're just always on the thing and I have discovered that I'm most happy when I'm uh I take a lot of
walks I go on long walks along with working out okay um and when I'm when I'm reading books like actual books oh so you read them while you're walking no no those AR those are two separate experiences two okay you can do them at the same time you know but it brings me back to some like reality Within Myself where I'm not like caught up in a just tornado of emotions from social media or or my [ __ ] email or or just the news you know like you're the minute I pick this thing up that that has me on a leash I feel like I lost my agency and I never know what's going to happen and then I have to collect myself afterwards of like why am I pissed off oh it's cuz my followers went down or like something stupid like that that's just ridiculous and it it takes away from everything but the problem with followers is you could see them you know like you see the number it's the kind of the craziest thing ever like you you see a number yeah and that that's one of the reasons why it's so addictive right like the likes your do very very addictive but like I also get my dope mean from like playing Scrabble yeah you got to be careful like real life things the problem is it's making people like it's making people alter the way they think about other people because everybody's projecting this version of themselves it's so unrealistic oh yeah or they're being super Sher oh yeah sharing a little too much no that's the thing too of like you know so I got engaged and we wanted to like post something and I was like oh man like I feel like not that I'm not excited cuz I am but there's something about it that I hesitated at first but but it and it was beautiful like we feel so good to to share our announcement you know but um I get a a little knee-jerk with the the just um being inundated with people's feelings all the time because there most of the time there's not a solution you know it's just the I feel bad you know and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and and I get that and I and I have empathy but I think there's some I wonder what happens when you don't share that publicly and you figure out how to heal yourself and well I mean there's nothing wrong with sharing it publicly a lot of people they can push aside the negativity and they look at it in perspective victim thing that I'm I'm
really reacting to victim thing like the like victim Society oh well I mean the thing about like sharing something on social media that's a super positive thing it's just a positive thing it's just love it's just love great like anybody that would react in a negative way cuz you're not just thinking a negative like oh that [ __ ] you know or oh [ __ ] him or whatever for people think weird it depends on how much rent they owe and you know their their girlfriend dumped them they got fired from their job and they're [ __ ] angry but the fact they can type something really mean that you could read and for no reason you taking this like we're not designed for that right it's not healthy so it's not bad to post something but it is bad to read all the things that various random people think about the posting because you can get you don't have that much time every single thing that a person says to you you at least have to consider you can say oh that person's a [ __ ] I don't think they're correct or maybe that person's smart than me maybe I should consider what they're saying but when there's just random [ __ ] and you don't know anything about them and they're saying mean because you're you got engaged to your fiance why well I think I think we're talking about a lot of things um we're talking about a lot of things I know that's that Snoop Dog weed I haven't smoked it yet and I think I'm going to wait because I'm scared but W it's it's also Buffalo trays oh yeah it's so good I'll take a little more of that by the way I know you would I know you would it's going to be one of those shows well I don't want to knock on anyone that shares their feelings on social media cuz I've I think it's I think it's the matter of the manner in which um you're projecting your self onto a public platform sometimes um it feels uh sometimes it doesn't feel genuine you know as a as a reader but at the same time I think I'm just over all of this [ __ ] I'm so cheers I'm just I want to like I want to be in nature I just want to be out of this [ __ ] well we don't know how to do this Suzanne I think this is the problem is there's no don't judge me I'm sure people this Jewel don't get in there I think people are um they're giving out they must be giving out
classes are you a nicotine addict no I just is that Jewel with marijuana or je it's a jewel with nicotine oh and yeah I guess I am a nicotine addict sometimes yeah how long you been doing that uh a little while but you don't smoke cigarettes do you I I that a rough that voice I know it's so bad well this isn't good for my voice careful I think that's basically going to just kill your body I think it's going to mess up your voice and it's she going yeah no I have rules like I'm going to put this down in like a week and then I'll just be away no more I don't I think it's probably better you know the there's a problem it gets demonized when something gets demonized I have to say Okay is are they demonizing this because it's actually bad or are they demonizing this because it's a threat to profits for an established company that has a [ __ ] ton of money one of the things I talk to Adam Curry you know Adam Curry okay yes I love No Agenda he's the best he's the fan I I really like him a lot if not for him none of this would be possible John Doric I like when I like when they have their little fights well they're super smart guys and and and Adam is a good friend I love him to death awesome I love him to death he's one of the reasons why I came here like talking to him he's so smart when he was high on Austin I was like okay maybe he's on something but anyway like he's he talk talked to me about this and he said a lot of this was based on a bunch of people who died uh a group of kids that died from bad ecigarettes that were actually marijuana cigarettes oh does he he smokes these things right I do not know if he does that anymore he he may have in the past I'm I'm not exactly sure he smokes a lot of weed though tell you that [ __ ] that [ __ ] could throw down see if you can find what that story was Jamie there was like it was they were ecigarette but it was e weed and so they were attributing it to vaping they were saying all these kids died from vaping and he's like no no no it was a small group of kids that died because there was a tainted product and he said I I don't I don't think I'm paraphrasing him I think he was saying that it's one of those things like we talked about earlier it's either the outrage is
because something is really really dangerous or the outrage is because something threatens profits right of something else and I just out of the way I'm 100% in favor of you buying cigarettes I smoke cigars I I think I drink whiskey it's not good the mood when the mood strikes I'll buy a pack and then I'll go months without smoking it's just like a a thing about some it grounds me I think but but but with pretty he was saying that we have this idea that it's really bad to vape and it might not exactly be true cdc's website I remember this this the vitamin E stuff they found in okay this is it vitamin E acetate is strongly linked to EV V AI outbreak I don't know what that means uh vitamin E acetate has been found in product samp tested by the FDA and state Laboratories and in patient lung fluid samples tested by CDC from geographically diverse States vitamin E acetate has not been found in the lung fluid of people that do not have whatever Eva I is um do see if you can find that story with there was kids that died and they died from uh tainted uh that's this but is there a story bacteria in there or something looking in they had to write this because they looked into it cuz it was a out like it was a thing right it was a national issue so is this the the story of the okay so it says at the top when you scroll up it says outbreak of lung injury associated with the use of ecigarette or vaping products I guess I'm looking for like a dumb story and this is like a a page of uh government CDC site you the the the thing is Joe like it's really difficult to decide what's real like you know you hear a story you see a story on the internet and and and maybe it's true maybe it's not like I I don't it's like you said it's it's major Commerce look at this though the mysterious vaping illness that's becoming an epidemic a surge of severe lung ailments has baffled doctors and public health experts okay here's one thing I do know I do know of a family who had a young son who was a teenager who died and they think it has a connection to vaping very sick and and and he had some sort of a lung issue and I got to imagine that if you're doing it all day long like a lot of these kids are they're doing it all do like if you can give a kid something where you give
them which is nicotine is essentially is it listed as a stimulant yes is it a stimulant yes is that what they call it yeah and it makes you feel so good ni gives you the greatest Head Rush I love aigar you still smoke good for you I was going to add into this which I don't know I know that I've from when this happened the whoever was getting them or I know was a national thing so lots of people that were getting the actual cartridges that they were putting the juice or the oil or what have you in yeah those those were were the issues started I think like the cartridges themselves were bad yes I think they they said they were like contaminated or something there was something wrong with them right right and that's why I remember they were saying they were coming from China or that's I'm I don't know that you know well it's like everything else if if it was regulated like if you could get a version of it where there was a some sort of uh okay here potential culprits in mystery lung illness Black Market vaping products so this is uh some lung illnesses is that what it is that what they're saying it got so confused cuz it was it just started popping up they called popcorn lung and all sorts of weird things here the thing I think if you're doing if you're doing anything like that all day long if you're taking any Mist into your body that has chemicals in it which is essentially what those things are those ones that look like a lunch box and these kids are sucking on them and they make giant clouds of smoke those kids are taking in stimulants through their [ __ ] blood vessels all day long in the lung they're sucking into their lungs all I can say is I know if I do this too much I don't feel well so and that's something to be consious yeah like your pie exactly situation you know like right now I'm kind of like in Holiday mode um and just in general like my cell phone like I don't like when something has a hold on me I don't like when I wake up and I'm having my coffee and I'm like where's my [ __ ] Jewel yeah I don't like that my boy Sturgill just switched over to that light phone I got a green text from him I'm like what's going on son it's a light phone it's one of them little [ __ ] phones I don't know Oh you mean like a flip phone no it's like a phone
that will let you only make phone calls and text messages it's a little tiny ass phone you can't get online you ain't watching no YouTube videos emails what a great dude yeah he went full Light phone sent in that green text how's his quality of life do you know I'm going to check in a couple months when he's missing them IM messages he's missing them nice videos cuz I would say we would send each other memes I'm like come on [ __ ] no more memes no more memes out there in the woods just handle it just handle the pressure just give yourself like time does he know what time it is he maybe maybe he knows what time it's like [ __ ] it's barely running correctly do you do you remember the like the first phones the noia phones with the Snake Game you know anyone snake game oh yeah yeah the game yeah you like there were flip phones you play a game on right yeah I used to love that or the little ones the little tiny phones it was like a one piece Jammy well like my first text message of like what the [ __ ] do you do with this and I'd just be like hi it takes like three minutes to make a high it's me S you know oh cuz you'd have to be like do h i it was so dumb she this little oh my God look at that little cutie that's a great that's great smallest mobile phone L8 star BM 25 bucks you can buy that and you can call people with it how I bet the battery life is like four days the whole thing just stays in your ear the whole thing stays in your ear that's hilarious he shoved the whole thing in his [ __ ] ear is that real I don't know no no that's a Bluetooth headpiece bro the whole thing look at it look see there's earie it sits in your [ __ ] ear like an earpiece what is the battery life on this thing 100 hours 100 hours what 100 days that's amazing and it's on T-Mobile so everything sucks about it oh hey that was just a joke I didn't mean that I didn't mean that T-Mobile don't get mad what are you a Verizon guy no I'm nothing guy I love T-Mobile Superior battery just a joke it was a joke I had to do it it was right there oh was not wrong 120 hours on standby that's the tiniest phone I've ever heard of in my life do you are you on your phone a lot too much for sure but not a lot not like a ridiculous amount but most of it is it has zero to do with me I'm just like
watching most of it's YouTube videos right and maybe books on tape if I'm driving well that's different books on tape you're learning something I I I have no not the kind of books I'm what are you listening to racy novels I'm learn [ __ ] no kid no I I have listened to quite a few novels I do enjoy novels you know what I enjoy about novels is that they have an actor read it but they have the guy do the girl voice oh yeah that's funny it's hilarious James where are we going you're like a grown ass man do a girl voice and you have to like the suspension of disbelief has to kick in where yeah that's totally a really hot girl um he's not even trying you know I'm but sometimes it's done really well I'm listening to Hemingway right now uh The Sun Also Rises it's really great oh but does he do a girl it's read by William Hurt and he does all these accents and he and it's it's really well done um yeah but I think yeah that's funny you know when I I did a couple tours by myself where I was driving like 102 hours a day by myself and I was like the thing that kept me going were racy novels on tape yeah you get caught up in and I'd be like I'd be so into it that I'd like be listening when I got to my hotel but I'd be like just kiss her you know like pounding on the dashboard like I was so invested in it and um yeah you know what I I I I'll just it is what it is you know my still Main maintain my dignity there's nothing wrong with that girls for whatever reason are into pornographic literature but they're not in visual pornographic stuff like girls like here's some girls are pardon me you're right I'm being General I'm generalizing but point is one thing this is what I can say generally is that one thing exists in the female culture doesn't exist in the male culture and that's written pornography sure like books I know comic books though comic books can get pretty romantic and and well yeah it's true yeah I'm just saying like just like uh shades of what is it 50 Shades of Gray you know what it's called I do I just forgot it in the moment come on you've been watching tattoo to my ass what it was like letters it wasn't letters the other but pen house letters pen house letters there was definitely some of that where dudes just jerked off
to I'm sure however girls have entire relationships with like perverts like 50 Shades of Gray or vampires like the the [ __ ] Twilight series that was literally about girls having a sexual relationship with a Vampire which is the dumbest [ __ ] thing I've ever heard of my life there was romance there was romance involed he was dead and then she became a vampire too came back to life spoiler spoiler alert but but my point is that it became a a thing for girls to the point where it made guys angry like guys got angry at Twilight it was really weird it was weird the thing is so I can speak to my adolescence on that and the romance involved was the it wasn't sexual you I mean eventually it was but I I read the books as a youngster and then I watch the movies and you know that's that's a that's a lot different from like an actual racing novel you know it was like teen teen romance drama right right right right yeah that's not a good example the better examples of 50 Shades of Gray sure Twilight is a good example of like romantic Notions where like women are looking from for some vicious [ __ ] killer that doesn't kill them which is weird but real that's one of the reasons why women want to marry serial killers what oh it's a big thing what yeah it's a huge thing like Richard Ramirez night stalk they they uh Ted Bundy they they get all these marriage proposals from women a lot of them are hot too it's crazy and they find guys that are in jail for killing women and they they want to marry those guys and they send them pictures of themselves nude and they try to do all kinds of things to get into romantic relationships with guys who are serial killers of women it's really common it's like you know we're talking about I wonder what the Yi intake is on that one it's a good right or yeah think about that for a yeah I mean it's whatever it is it's some weird thing that happens where a woman wants to align herself with someone who's willing to cross the line like the line of Civility and civil ization and Community is assassination it's murder someone's willing to like just go out there and kill do the wildest [ __ ] you can do is in a person's life and it might be her life so they align themselves with this guy I feel like that would be like an interpretation of
power in some way obviously because if you have the power and the gumption to end someone's life that's a specified brand of power right so um and you know I'll be honest there there's a lot of uh a lot of betas out there and you know I think that there's what are you saying there's an imbalance um a actually an egregious imbalance in our feminine feminine and masculine social um structure so I I mean I'm not I'm not into serial killers disclaimer but I think I could understand a specific kind of woman that really needed a specific kind of energy which is [ __ ] up I mean there's a lot of therapy in in there but um I think that you know with this imbalance a lot of us like not myself anymore cuz I I really did find my king and he's something else um and I've never felt this balanced in my life to be honest with you um because he's really such a man uh in so many ways in his intellect but he he's also so kind and sensitive he's jacked too he's jacked too he's really Jack a little bit important um but I you know I'll speak for myself shout out to Nick I'll speak for myself you know I've been alone for a long time and I've been lonely for a long time and I've been very autonomous in this way where I feel like I've had to be very masculine and feminine in this sense of like just taking care of myself and it's really masculine is like protecting yourself yeah yeah and like me looking out for me and hard a little bit and like in so many ways being a musician touring and and like just like you know uh being the only woman in a room full of men all the time but you know it's really since I met Nick and and he really is like my match like we are just we were made for each other I get to be more of a woman now than I've ever been and it's so cool like I love it do you think that I first of all that's awesome super happy for you but do you think that this is happening with people with with like this sort of erosion of sexuality in terms of like we we we have like a divide between men and women sometimes in this country for for whatever weird reason and we also have a bunch of people that don't want to identify as either a man or a woman and I was talking to um uh someone recently where they were
we were we were discussing this idea of like where does where does human biology go to next if we used to be some sort of cave person and then we eventually became people on the internet like where does it go next cuz it's going somewhere well technically from I like we have like all the marks of a collapsed Society with our obsession with sexuality and all the things that are you know this do you know Douglas maray is yeah I I The Madness of crowds amazing you know a lot of my life has changed in so many ways but uh specifically my politics and my belief in in you know where I was before and where I am now which is really in the middle I'm really in the taint of all the stuff I think the taint is lies well you know Douglas Murray man The Madness of crowds is it's it's genius geni and and um the thing about Murray is like he's got a an interesting get out of jail free pass too cuz he's gay and conservative he's conservative and gay they don't know what the [ __ ] to do with him and but but he also says what he thinks and there's a lot of people that just can't do that anymore for whatever reason but one of the things that he said about today he said if you look at past civilizations whenever they were about to collapse whether it's ancient Rome ancient Greece they got a fixed on gender gender became a giant gender but sexuality too it's like all of it it's like chaos there's something happens where there like the the de sort of like uh dissolving of boundaries of everything like throwing Society out the window lighting it all on fire but with no plan of the future and then on top of that people start questioning their sexuality their gender it's like it becomes more it becomes more common to say why do why am I doing it this way and it becomes more common for people to realize like that this way that the traditional way makes me feel like [ __ ] I don't want to do it I want to wear a dress and I want to have spar Les in my eyes you know and that's F that's [ __ ] cool too but I am with you in the middle of this like I am I'm I I kind of lean more left socially with like almost everything with almost everything me too the only thing that [ __ ] me up is the the idea of accountability and discipline is that
like I think that one of the reasons why people are not as happy as they could is because they haven't there's this there's some some of us out there that are not putting in the amount of effort time to take care of our bodies in terms of whether it's even just meditation or exercise or something that's that requires discipline and sometimes you can't just be nice to people and expect them to have discipline sometimes you have to say mean [ __ ] and you got go hey you're [ __ ] up like we got to get out of this little hole we're in here let's go well what's what's the thing you said about the weak men make it's not me it's in very old saying but you posted this recently sorry well it's it's a very old saying but it's hard times cre create Hard Men right Hard Men create easy times easy times create soft men soft men create hard times I don't remember who was the author of that but it's uh it's a very common expression that I think is real and I think it's it's it's represented in just our cycle of evolution of developing as a a race of people as as a civilization life on Earth that's human we're all evolving and figuring this out and we're battling about how to do it and how not to do it and what to say what not to say yeah no it's it's so if everything's so offensive and yeah but it's also we're just sorting it out like in the middle of the offensive there's people saying it's not offensive stop relax and then everybody calms down a little bit there's like this battle going on back and forth but I I appreciate your um uh peaceful way of of of approaching that like you know sorting it out that's a nice way to say it because it doesn't feel like that and I I I want to have a better way of not being so sad about how offended everybody gets we can sort it out Suzanne we can all all you people listening we can sort it out I think most people want to be happy and kind and nice and have good friends most people and there's a lot of confusion as to like what that requires like you know is it are these people [ __ ] and pieces of [ __ ] or maybe they just have a different way of looking at stuff and if you guys talked maybe they don't know anybody like you maybe they meet you and they look at things different and maybe your ability to be humble and just project yourself and your thoughts
honestly might affect them in a way where they could say I never met anybody like that now I'm starting to rethink things we all know that where whatever you are in dece what is it December 27th 2021 if whoever you are right now this is not like your ultimate form as long as you're alive and you're thinking and you're growing we got to but we got to like decide that we're all in this together and that we also got to decide that the only way we can do what you do or what I do is freedom you you have to be able to just say what you want you have to be able to go whever you you have to be you don't have you can't be tied down for a reason that doesn't totally make sense to some government organization that eats your taxes what I think is you're so right and what I think is happening is people um mostly from societ persuasion and media persuasion there's all this narcissism and this feeling of your individual suffering is more important or worse than someone else and so you got to speak up and attack this person because they're they're the culprit you know like Dave Chappelle or something like that and and I think that it's interesting to me that um nobody can be well first of all Everyone's entitled to their feelings right but like these days like you can't quietly be uncomfortable or sort something out yourself you know there has to be this alignment with identity and the way that people are doing it is so Divi divisive like we are divided in so many ways and you know I I realize that a lot of things I say PE you know people might not like and I'm not used to that like I'm a I love everybody and I don't I don't like offending people it makes me uncomfortable and I don't I'm a good person you know um but lately I I've felt uh squelched like you know I can't say what I really feel because oh my God this side's not going to like it you just can't be responsible for so many other people's opinion of you there's nothing you could do about that you you you're entitled to your own opinion your own opinion of you and I would assume your own opinion of you evolves as you grow and as you become a different person as you get older in life you the problem with like expressing yourself about any
controversial subject is you're going to encounter a bunch of people that were are deeply unhappy that disagree with you they're going to lash out at you in very personal ways and you know there is a disagreement that can be had and can be have had civil and I have with friends or close friends who I love to death and I admire very much who have a different perspective on things than me sure there there's there's that is okay too all of it is okay but the problem is you open the door for people to feel morally Justified and being horrible people to you just nasty evil person to you that disagrees with you and they can just be a nasty evil piece of [ __ ] to you for for almost no reason just because we look at things differently and the idea is that anyone who you know that we're binary anyone who's on the left side of this fence is [ __ ] for life and everyone is the right side I'll die for you like this is crazy tribal nonsense but so many of us buy into that because that's literally how our genetics were EST lished whoever we are that are here we are the descendants of the people who made it and it is a rough and tumble [ __ ] history if you go through the history of humans before they could write things down before anybody you know they how about before we had language when they were just while monkeys [ __ ] each other and killing each other with rocks and we went from that to oh this this guy killed my [ __ ] husband with a rock no I didn't do it like I was there [ __ ] like and then they started they had language law yeah and then they wrote things down and after they wrote things down they started filming it like oh [ __ ] you got me on YouTube and and then like we're evolving in tune with technology cuz we're being like pulled Along by a great magnet of Truth so all the bad stuff is bad there's no doubt about it all the mean stuff is mean but it's part of it it's because we don't know what the [ __ ] we're doing yet we have these impossible tools where you can communicate with the whole [ __ ] world you could be a Tik Tok star because you're like tools are so influential dressing up and dancing and you will have access to the minds of 45 million people which is wild [ __ ] that's crazy wild [ __ ] but it's real that's a real thing that's happening right now
while you're being checked tracked by whatever [ __ ] algorithms that app uses and whatever [ __ ] is checking what you're buying and where you're going flying what airport you fly out of and what's the do you use lift or Uber it's like there's there's a lot of weird [ __ ] the connection is [ __ ] bananas whatever new guys in town cuz they're usually cheaper anyway yeah exactly right as we're doing this though you're moving in this direction of impossible integration into computers and what we're looking at with us with trying to keep our our our way of Comm our way of communicating was designed with no internet we're not designed for the internet we're not designed for the ability to access the opinions of millions of people simultaneously it's too much we're machine time and machine thinking yeah I feel like I have uh I'm like a scout right like if you sent me down the trail you go hey I want you to go down the trail and gather up like couple hundred million downloads a month and tell us what's up yeah thanks for what you're doing for all of us tell us seriously tell us what's happening you're a hell of a scout this is what it's like and I'm like hey hey hey hey hey there's a cliff we're running towards a cliff stop every everybody stop we got to hit the [ __ ] brakes and they're like you're an antivaxer and they just [ __ ] keep going you don't believe in science # [ __ ] Jo Rogan and and I'm like I'm guys guys I want us to make it there's a cliff there's a cliff oh my God everybody's got to slow the [ __ ] down look I I'm I'm taking in opinions from all Direction 360 Dees yeah but it's I feel like at this point in time in with the chaos that's here right now like the the [ __ ] Universe has put me in this place where uh I I can at least have access to more opinions than most people yeah you know and if you disagree with me that's fine I'm I'm I disagree with me all the time I know it's hilarious but if if you agree with me that's fine too I might not even be right we might all be wrong but you can't be a [ __ ] and too many people are just too many people just think it's okay to be a [ __ ] today I know it's just okay to be a [ __ ] it's to like yeah but that falls back on you because when you're a [ __ ] you have to live with
yourself you do but a lot of times they get extra [ __ ] when no one responds because it it generates the initial impulse and gives them some sort of like uh like a pat on the back some sort of like reinforcement what they're doing is okay I think I think at the end of the day you know deep in the in the that you know pin prick of your spine of your existence that you're being an [ __ ] and it's not okay and and there's something that's going to be unsettling even if you have validation and a whole Echo chamber of support at the end of the day it's not cool if you think right if you're a thinker if you're a person who's Discerning you know like you're really thinking about everything you say and everything you do and you want to make sure that you're a solid good human being you're 100% correct but there's a lot of people out there that are just existing on the the the like the the revenue of being a [ __ ] there's a lot there's a lot of money and cun you get you get a whole account going yeah um I think I think that I think that um yeah it's a lonely time in that way you know it doesn't have to be like people i' rather be lonely and secure in my values but I'm not because I have a hell of a partner and great friends you know that that's you as well and and I think you deserve all of it and more you're an awesome human being thanks man cheers to you proud to be you as always thank you but I I think dude we've been friends for 10 years now how crazy is that years shout out to balls of steel balls of steel one dude introduced me to you when you guys are doing angel of death oh my God that angel of death acoustic on the roof I remember thinking oh my God what a beautiful song and it was everything about it it was like it was not just the beauty of the the song it was the environment the fact that it was an acoustic version that you guys did on a roof it was so real thank you shout out to Ben shout out to Ben um but it's uh it's been a long time we just like people I feel like people can listen to people that are navigating life still with joy and with happiness and with good friends and like with we're all doing okay like let's I think people listening I think that's important to know is that in the same time period as the [ __ ] is going [ __ ]
haywire and the culture war is at like full nuclear you know Red Alert threat we're there's still people out there that just being nice to each other and having fun and what is really going on yeah what's really going on I think is we're in the middle of a [ __ ] transition some sort of a weird digital integration and as much as we're trying to fight all this [ __ ] and I I think we should fight it being in control of human beings it's going to come a time whether it's 10 years from now or 20 years from now some [ __ ] artificial intelligence is going to be far superior than us and it's going to trick us into plug it into the Matrix they already are yeah by the way that last Matrix anyway Jamie liked it oh get out of here we can talk about that now I think you guys should but not with me in the room you didn't watch it I'll leave no I haven't watched it yet my whole family was over I couldn't talk I had watch about this later we yes we have to watch Elf we watched elf last night elf is [ __ ] hilarious still it's still really funny it is it is that's 2003 that [ __ ] movie is really funny you know what else is funny Daddy's home with Mark Wahlberg oh yes in Will Farrell it is funny will farell is a funny [ __ ] talad and nights so is Mark wallberg oh he's very funny very funny yeah taliger nights is a [ __ ] hilarious movie I did a movie with that the woman the main woman Leslie bib from uh C nights amazing yeah I did um zookeeper with her you know I didn't tell you this but so I'd never seen news radio until recently and um Nick's daughter loves it and so in the mornings we'd be getting up for school and stuff and it would be on and it you're you were great Joe you did great yeah it was easy I played a [ __ ] is a I played me I played the worst version of me the slightly ston version you now you know and like I mean were you doing a lot of Comedy then oh yeah yeah I was um when I first started news radio I was like six year when yeah six years into doing standup amazing yeah that's so cool it was um news radio started in '94 and I started standup in 888 so it was super lucky how many seasons was that it was five the last one was rough uh because uh Phil had been murdered by his wife right wow I didn't know he got murdered during the
film I didn't know he got murdered while we were on break oh god um and then the only there was no bright side of it but the only way the show was season we did another season with John LoveIt the only way we were able to do that that John and Phil were very good friends and and we were very good friends with John cuzz we knew John from this he was always like there with Phil there were buddies we I we got to know him everybody was very comfortable with him and he's really funny John lovit is hilarious he's crazy as [ __ ] but he's really hilarious but crazy in a good way he's just a character but the point is that like that's the only way we were able to do a final season and we finished that season and then they canel insane it was crazy like they canceled it the one time that I was sure they weren't going to cancel it like all the other times at the end of the season I was like that [ __ ] show is not going to make it yeah I was like [ __ ] it's so fun to do and it was so funny but um they had all been actors everybody had been an actor like like they had done a lot like Dave Foley had obviously done Kids in the Hall he had done a lot of sketches and he's he was like one of the secret producers of news radio no kidding he would rewrite everything he was he's he's so godamn smart and he's really talented and so are the writers and one of the beautiful things about the writers is they didn't have any issue with him doing it because they they trusted him it's the reason why the show was based around him they trusted him to sort of because of kids in the hall because he had he and he's just got a brilliant idea he's got a brilliant take on how to set up a scene so they just gave him free reign they just let him like he so sometimes they dis best work is done because exactly sometimes they would disagree and they' be like but we have to do this for the story have conv about it but so many times show was Rewritten by Dave Foley yeah that's the best way to work I I had that Revelation later in life with music of just like people that are like bring in an idea come on in you know everybody was so talented on news the writers like Paul Sims and Josh Lee and like there so so many so many of the writers were so talented and so good that it didn't matter like like everybody was like just
trying to make the best show everybody was just trying to make make the best show and when you get to do so so for me it was like I literally had been doing acting for like a year for one year i' be acting but all of a sudden I'm on a show with Dave Foley and Phil Hartman I'm like what the [ __ ] is going on well you're like a magic person I'm the luckiest [ __ ] ever so it's weird yeah well that's part of it but also like I think about that stuff a lot like you've got that timing and then you've also like got the brain and the the work ethic and just the talent you know I think I you know I like watching people and and understanding how someone got somewhere and um yeah it's really exciting well I have mental illness that I'm trying to cure through hard work oh you mean you're an overw worker yeah for sure but it's also like here's the thing this like like the exercise thing or yeah it's all all the all the things it's like the podcast thing the comedy thing it's like if I don't conate on something and pay attention to it then I turn myself mental ill it's mental illness cuz then I turn on myself turning on yourself is not super great yeah yeah well the problem is I I I I have a drill sergeant in my head so it's like um I will turn on myself yeah but obviously it's up to you to balance that yes but I I think that um that's a really unique quality in terms of having the talent and the brain and the drive and you a lot of the drive is like me running away from mental illness mental illness is like a barking dog it's like but like 50 yard away and I just have to keep going I'm hoping he's going to give up yeah I don't know about that no but it's a different kind of mental illness like it's not the worst kind it's not like you want to like ruin your life and start doing coke it's it's like self-destructive I need puzzles I need some [ __ ] to solve understand that if I don't have an act I'm working on or something else I'm doing it's hard do I'll turn to myself you know I think a lot of us are like that yeah I do that I make war on Suzanne and I try not to I try to be nice to her well you know I've got a great therapist and that's a great phrase I make war on Suzanne that should be a song oh yeah I'm sure it's had its iterations in in there I make war on suzan I make war on Suzanne well you
know what's interesting and and not to like it will be difficult to talk about myself in this way but the truth is yourself in the third person no like do it some people could do it no well it might be your thing try it so I'm doing my best work I've ever done so Suzanne Santo is doing the best work she's ever done and I'm existing will we say one time no no I can't I'm not a [Laughter] [ __ ] cheers oh my God but see you can't do this [ __ ] on regular radio no you can't you sure can't my God did a couple of radio shows recently and my songs have a lot of swear words in them and I oh no what you so hard I did a couple actually I did a couple shows in the Carol and it was like some of the biggest paying gigs I've had in a while and it was like you know like it was like a $20,000 weekend and I needed that it was like the most it was the only money I made all year did they tell you you can't sare it was it there would had to be clean shows and so I had I had to work overtime to like make it sound good and like deliverable you know and and the thing is like when I you know when I curse in my songs I'm not like doing it just to do it it's part of the song and you know what you need what do I need a beep button point is I did it I did it but I was terrified I was so self-aware it really sucked because you know when you're singing and you're you know and I'm playing music like I'm not like I'm not thinking about it yeah you know but I was so nervous I was like oh my God like these these people like they they brought me here they're they're paying me money and like I don't I don't want to [ __ ] this up by saying [ __ ] but the thing is it's like you you're in the artist compromise right because there's a reason why they wanted you there they wanted you there cuz they love your work so if they love your work that me for them to be like by the way exactly it's like well that means they've listened so if they've listened that means they know you swear it turned out to be great um but what I was going to say was that what did you do what did I do yeah for like got I re wrote some stuff and and it was actually okay you know but like you couldn't say like godamn and stuff like that and so you
couldn't say godamn yeah no what about Odin be damned you know I've been reading about Odin a lot lately Odin was a bad [ __ ] I know just hanging from that tree giving his eye away Odin was a different kind of dude I know I know I I find a lot of comfort in that lately in in mythology and it's interesting right it's like eventually people gave up on Zeus like there's not there's not a lot of people out there Zeus used to be the [ __ ] man back when they were making houses out of stone Zeus was the man Zeus was the godamn man yeah you can't say godamn man he got a he he he got a little carried away you know he didn't have that humility where did Thor go where's Thor when we need him what the [ __ ] Thor he's here you know what the problem with the entire Marvel Comics universe is oh we're going Marvel not the tradish okay Thor he's in the Marvel Comics Universe course you know what the problem is Captain Marvel she could fix everything she could change everything or the Hulk every time there's a Thor movie I'm like send in the Hulk [ __ ] call your friend your friend is the Hulk not Winter Soldier what's the one after that I don't know okay well anyway the one after Winter Soldier Captain Marvel like the whole time you're like where was she this whole time she could do all the things but she was waiting she was working on she had another job anyway what what are you tell me Jamie Odin that's Anthony Hopkins oh no [ __ ] yeah he was Odin which one was that what where have you been no but I'm trying to remember I have too much data I have too much data in my head well all of the Marvel with Thor Anthony Hopkins was OD here's the thing with the Avengers call the Hulk he who what's happening I was talking about talking about mythology Hulk Norse mythy Hulk the problem is so Hulk with the glasses is [ __ ] Hulk with the glasses at the diner remember that when he became Mark Ruffalo sad reflective Hulk is listening to NPR and he's crying he wants go to gu have you had Chris Hemsworth on no I haven't but I'm afraid I'd fall in love I know he beautiful I met him once when uh I was playing with josier and we did Ellen and I have a self I have a photo with him where he took my my phone and took our photo and he was so nice and she swab
that for DNA put it put it in some sort of a [ __ ] test tube it's it's an experience because if one day if if one day like crisper gets to the point where all you need is like a a coffee cup from someone and you could have their their body first of all look at that man on the right yeah good for him Jesus Christ good for him he's gorgeous I know yeah and and he loves his wife you know I would hug him for moments long M moments I just want him to comfort I want him to comfort [Music] me like there's no doubt about it that guy has Superior genetics yeah like his his grandparents his Grand papy's grandpappy was definitely a viking right 100% right it appears I can't I can't speak for the man I don't know him but it appears he has like the intellect the kindness the the comedy he's got the whole thing you know so you're in love no I'm I'm in love with admire I admire Thor I'd rather keep him in a fictitious Place yeah I don't even want to know he jerks off oh Jes he's too perfect Jesus Christ M there's only a couple of those guys like I hope they just get through life in the most noble way possible him and Jason M I hope they hold hands as they ascend to Heaven do you know when we went to see Sturgill we had Johnny Bernthal The Punisher oh The Punisher J Mamoa on either side of us I know we didn't even know I did we went I didn't know we went to the trador see un like Suzanne I actually pay attention to the show I didn't know I have a man crush on Jason m i met him in a whole food parking lot I met Jason Mamo in a Whole Food's parking lot he's the [ __ ] nicest guy of all time gave me his phone number yeah we we just exchange phone numbers that's the beautiful thing call him I think we text each other back and forth were you like hey Jay I got I got nervous be honest with you I get nervous if I get a famous person's phone number I'm like [ __ ] this is too much pressure like I I I meet famous people now you know of course and um you know when you meet them you're like oh it doesn't matter how many famous people you meet when you meet someone who's famous you never met them you're like oh oh there's that person yeah and look at
this [ __ ] the actual real Snoop Dog oh yeah that's super cool when when I was 19 in LA and I'd meet a famous person I'd pretend like I didn't know who they were and I'd be like Tim Timberlake what is that Italian who my my friend's wife did that watch but now now I like the thing is if I admire somebody I'm going to just tell them like oh man I love your movies or I love your music you know and and that feels comfortable to me to not pretend like I'm cool well it's like it's actually cool to do that sure it's actually cool to do that yeah but there's a problem with like people uh wanting to people to know who they are too you know well that's annoying Yeah Yeah It's Tricky yeah I always say hi I'm Joe yeah even if I know someone knows who I am I feel like I have to say that I got I got recognized in the nail salon in Austin and uh this girl said all these nice things to me about oh my God I love your music and we I just bought six tickets to your show on the 15th but like I I was like oh my God so tell me about yourself so I got clingy cuz I was and I think I kept her for too long and she was like well okay okay I I got that's hilarious I don't know if they went to the show but that's hilarious yeah that's weird it's like when when you meet someone they say going to go to your show you're like have a good time but then you don't talk to them afterwards yeah I hope you had a good time I don't know what happened you know it's it's it's nice when someone admires your work it's very nice it is nice it's very nice it's just what you don't want is to feel like you're the [ __ ] like there's like a balancing act between like someone reaffirm reaffirming that you're doing good that they love what you're doing but like you never getting into position where you think like you're better than other people it's like this weird balancing act that actors and musicians and Comedians and all kinds of famous people fail out all the time because there's no guide book it's a weird balance though because like I want to enjoy it more you know like we were I was starting to talk about this earlier of like like I'm I'm doing my my best work and the way that the music industry is structured is is like a failing model but how so um I I see very little return on on what I'm
creating and putting out there but then the return is emotional like I I get a lot of like like you know my last record ruby red that came out in 2017 has a [ __ ] ton of streaming right or for for me but I made like 10 grand off of it and not not to measure it monetarily so do you get most of the money from streaming from shows from shows from shows saying you made 10 10 grand you mean you made 10 grand from the road from from streaming and like pre-sales out the gate and and like pre-sales of tickets or pre-sales of the album okay vinyl specifically but the um what's the what what would you like to happen like what is what is like a normal what I you go back to like your early days sure sure sure um what I would like to happen is um I want like concentrated touring where I'm play I'm out for like two weeks and then I'm not away from home for so long because home is really important to me and for so long in my life like I moved every year for like 15 years I didn't really have a home and I'd just be on the road constantly and what I would like is you know uh a comfortable amount of financial return and then my home life while I'm creating more content and music um but you know Co kind of put a BOS on all that don't you think that that's how all artists feel when they they they feel like they're putting out so much but they're they're not getting it back they feel like there's a disproportionate relationship like something's off right the the way it's built now yeah yeah because so what's what's the flaw like what's the bottleneck in the system it seems like the bottleneck in the system is getting your music to people well that right um that's the B like so is the streaming thing like a a money thing like do you when when they stream it how does it work do you own the song do you own the writing I do you do but you know if you work with a label they usually own your copyright and and depending on your deal depending on your leverage that you have um so it totally depends on whatever deal you make it's not there's not a standard deal no so the thing is like with young artists if someone's coming up and they haven't like fully pop yet when when people know they're good and they have a
bright idea of their future they'll sign them and lock them into these weird contracts M yeah you can get in trouble i' I've had that I've gotten in trouble everybody seems to yeah everybody I'm not supposed to talk about this because there's an NDA but like my first I signed a deal when I was 19 sued so it turns out that NDA uh actually does apply so we're going to edit that we had to look it up folks and it turns out uh that story is uh not appro moving on yes moving on don't get I killed a an elk and a pig in October did you really yeah yeah do you still have those huge like refrigerators in your Gage have some here now you know when you gave me the bear meat the bear sausage yeah did you like it [ __ ] excellent it's delicious right I made it with some pasta oo it was delicious did you like pan fry it a little bit of oil miss a while ago Joe okay okay I'm just saying they're really good the elk meat was also delicious elk meat is better elk meat is the best meat because you don't have to worry about trinos so you don't have to like cook it to 165 degrees when if I get real sketchy about giving bare meat to people I won't give bare meat to a [ __ ] yeah cuz if you give like uh cuz because they thank you so you don't think I'm a [ __ ] I definitely don't think you're a [ __ ] but um even people that aren't morons like uh my friend Steve Vanella got trinos and his whole crew did I follow him on stagram he was in Alaska and they shot a black bear and they cooked it over a fight and people like what are you talking you're eating a [ __ ] bear I'm folks this is what's gonna sound so crazy when uh Dave Cronut or Daniel Boone which whoever I think it was Davey Crockett Who Sold uh bare meat people would eat bare meat and then they would use deer for hides okay like in the turn of the century or whatever the [ __ ] it was 1700s no they didn't eat deer they didn't pref prer it I mean they ate it if they had to hungry I do I love it but the thing is that's preferred now whereas black bear meat is it riskier with venison no no it's not no no no venison's not it's not risky yet here's the thing there's kind of but here's the threat the threat is CWD with CWD is called chronic wasting disease and it's like yeah I've seen that it's a preon disease so it's like mad cow disease but
it hasn't jumped to humans yet so it only exists in Deer but exists a lot of deer and people are terrified this going to make a jump to hum have you had any experiences with ticks I personally have not but I have very good friends that that have gotten Lyme disease and one of my good friends got what's called Alpha gal and Alpha gal is an allergy to red meat so he had a tick that burrowed him him burrowed in his belly button and and he pulled his [ __ ] tick out after like a day or whatever it was like you don't they they numb down can you take antibiotics for that depends depends if you know what happened like you might not feel bad at first you might wait a while and your doctor might miss diagnosed my buddy he brought his son in and his son had like Bell's paly like his face went numb and the doctor was like no there's nothing wrong and like and then he eventually got them to test and figure out that it was Lyme disease but the doctor was immediately like sort of dismissive I think when the bell's paly kicked in that's when the doctor looked at him but before that the doctor was like trying to play it off like it was not cuz they don't know yeah and the the thing about the [ __ ] the weird thing about Lyme disease is that they think it might be connected to this thing called is it called maners disease look up maners disease there's this thing that they where people seem to be losing their mind and thinking that like strings are growing out of their skin and they think that this disease is connected to Lyme disease because the people that get it almost all have Lyme disease and they think that Lyme disease may have some sort of a neurotoxic effect yes does that maner disease well well lime disease no it's not it Li disase they call dise thing oh that's right that's what Dana White has that's the when you have a tentis it's like a but they call it the great imitator because Lyme disease can manifest in all these different ways in all all your systems yeah but hang on I'm going to go crazy if I don't figure this out there's like uh there's like a a skin thing mellin thank you more gelin that's right more gel so this more galance disease we we actually went to a conference I did this um Sci-Fi show a long time ago we went to a conference to talk to these
people and one of the things that I found was fascinating like this is a doctor who had it and this disease is like you see like worms moving behind your eyelids but they're not there but they're not there and wait like it's like it's not there like psychotic you see it but it's not really there you you're hallucinating so what and then you start picking at your skin cuz you think like fibers are growing out of it and then you l so you're on acid no you're you're there's some sort of a neurological thing that happens with limes disease and some people so some some people that have Lyme disease it's uh it's standard symptoms but this doctor was saying that some people they have hallucinations and they think it might be a part of this he the way he described it to me I'm paraphrasing I'm do my best he was saying that essentially a tick doesn't just have this one disease it probably has a Myriad of diseases and some of them we haven't even [ __ ] recognized yet is it considered a parasite oh yeah takes parasites [ __ ] that's so scary they clean to you and suck your blood they're gross I saw your post today about the tongue thing with the carp that's a [ __ ] little bug right disgusting disgusting terrifying hor you know that's what the angel of Ben wrote the angel of death I did not write that song what did what did he write about a parasite he wrote it about um after watching planet Earth and all these the documentary specific species that would take over your brain and and you know that it's it's a terrifying thought but you know it it happens and like God forbid it happens to us it seems like no matter what you are whether you're a frog or an eagle or a wolf like there's there's a system in place that's designed to encourage Innovation and success and growth and strength strength and dominance and also weed out the weak and weed out the weak whether it's weak psychologically weak socially weak culturally we physically it's all things it's like everything is a test no matter what happens with humans there's everything is a test are you going to be a victim or a Victor are you going to be successful or a failure are you going to be happy or sad are you going to be weak are you going to be strong are you going
to be loving are you going to be an [ __ ] like there's this like an incoming flux of information and a battle of like how to react and how to behave we're all like caught up in the middle of it like and then you have government and government starts steering it like well the problem is oh these people who don't have TSA PR and you know they just [ __ ] they go after like specific groups of people and turn you on them did you see that crazy video of that lady with no mask on yelling at a man on a plane to put your mask on no it is the wildest [ __ ] ever because it is the most 2021 video of all time this lady hits is this zombie apocalypse not yet no that's not going to happen it's going to be that's going to be like many many generations from now what what we're dealing with right now is like this sort of a reckoning that we're all kind of responsible for the tone of the civilization that's around us where all of us sort of looked at the civilization that was in place the culture that was in place and said that well this is just you know how it's always been and this is how it will be for the foreseeable future and I'm just going to like operate on the idea that all this was like set up by some super intelligent people that really had a good sense of the future cuz we see that in like the Declaration of Independence the Constitution we see that like they've kind of figured out like hey this could go s sideways and this is how it could go sideways so you can't give anyone power for any long period of time like four years in then people get to re reassess then you get another four years and you know and they they figured out some like parameters where they felt like they could foresee how human beings could go ape [ __ ] with power and how they could correct for that but the big ones are the freedom of of speech that's a big one that's giant the fact that people want to [ __ ] with that it's like oh my God you there's no other way than letting everybody talk there's no other way that includes like the people that are like if you if the na have the power to silence the people who aren't the Nazis that's bad right well guess what if the people who aren't Nazis have the power to silence the Nazis that can be equally bad because for whatever [ __ ]
up reason some people are going to listen to those folks and if those if they get shut down if they get shut down left and right and they don't have to engage with someone who clearly has better ideas than them where the whole world gets to see well this idea sucks because it was tested on the battlefield of discourse that's what it's supposed to happen right like they're supposed to talk about things like when you have someone who has a terrible idea for discussion that's that there no discuss but there there is there's just too many people have too much power to shut it down so their initial impulse is to shut it down but that's just because we haven't had this power before and we're like shut it down shut it down and the people shut it down like wow we got shut it down the power to shut things down like a small group of people can just decide that they're going to protest something and shut everything down right they can decide to change the like the Dave Chappelle thing is a great example what Dave did in that special was respond to previous like anger at him about what they perceive to be transphobic comments with talk up on Wikipedia that's one of the first things that comes up it's ridiculous that's okay that's okay you don't have to believe that the the reality of it is if you listen to the special it's a story about a person that he loved I know it's not but but here's why it's it is but it's not the problem is not that a small percentage of people reacted in the way they did and started shutting things down the problem is that we're all willing to consider what a small percentage of people are Furious about rather than what we think because it's too hard to gather your own opinion independently on every subject especially when you could be called out for it or people can decide they're going to attack you for it you know there's just it doesn't mean that we can't all do better but what it does mean is we can't get anywhere if we just attack each other mercilessly and without logic here's the thing about Dave Chappelle first of all he's one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life he's brilliant you've met him he's wonderful here's the other thing when you when they're talking about this material they're not citing specific
bits have you noticed that with this they keep saying the transphobic this they're not saying there's all these key words that are used yeah that that that counter the actual experience of listening to his his St his special I I it's like um but there's also like tribes but you didn't read the whole article you know there's tribes that you belong to where they have an idea oh Dave you know Dave Chappelle said something transphobic and you just get mad at him and you don't know exactly what he said yeah I I have to say that like I I'm ashamed to admit that I I was in that vacuum for a little while in La not against Dave or anything but like I was part of the collective anger and repost and I got to a point where I recognized that I was not operating on my own agency and I wasn't I was losing my sense of myself and I I'll be honest with you when I came here to visit you guys last December I you know I was in my bubble in LA and and I saw that you and Dave were doing standup at stubs and I hadn't you know played or seen any shows all year and I really wanted to come see you guys and you and I called you and and you were like just come down get on a plane I was like well shouldn't I drive shouldn't I be shouldn't I not touch anything and you know and you were like just just come down and you know I it honestly Joe like it changed my life because I I'm I got on a plane I came here to visit I ended up singing with Gary everybody got coties that night except you and me well I'm still standing and you and me were the only ones that didn't get it that night I don't know if I did who [ __ ] knows well you we but we tested you for anybody's did we test you before today or is today the only day for I I don't think it was a blood test I thought it was a a a swab well we definitely did a regular swab which is a rapid antigen test finger hurts that's hilarious but wait let me so like point is you had talked to me about leaving La right and I I came here because I just I wanted to see some art I wanted to see you I wanted to see Dave I've always wanted to see Dave I've never I'd never seen him before at that point and you got to see him in a historical time did
whereas it was his idea to do these shows we did these shows at stubs but it was purely Dave's idea he was like we can't let him take this thing he goes we got we got to keep this rolling we got to we got to give these people some fun man I was laughing and I was crying cuz it was [ __ ] beautiful and he developed that set people like it was just it was so powerful and and then you know um like the whole thing was really magical because um I also was like [ __ ] should I move to Texas like what should I do and like like you and Gary and then a couple other friends I have were like the only people I knew here and I I like I don't I think I told you the story but like not recently but when I left the podcast that we did December something of 2020 you you me and Gary I decided to drive around and I was like oh man I should like I I've only been here when I've been touring or there's festivals so it's and and I was driving down some Street I I didn't know where I was and um I like you know ask God or the Universe I was like man should I move to Texas this is so crazy I like not in a million years seems like it gets pretty hot here you know and I was driving down some Street I mean this is a true story this is [ __ ] wild to me and I was driving my rental car and there were these people walking in the street with their dog and I I slowed down then I looked over and it was my friend Alejandro shaky Graves who's the only like other person really that I know knew at the time in Austin and it w I started I started crying I was like what the [ __ ] like I okay like I guess I got my answer I guess I should move to this place and and I in the like coming months like I I basically got a this house that uh was handed down from a friend of a friend which was like a little more I paid in rent for a one-bedroom apartment in La so I have this like really cute little cottage house with a big backyard and and then I I met this person this this love of my life and and my life changed forever but the the point is like the nucleus of the story is I came here to see you and Dave cuz I wanted I wanted do you want to have some fun I wanted some medicine you know I wanted I wanted to laugh I wanted art and I was deprived of that like all of us were yeah and there's something to
be said about that there's something to be said about shutting people away from the things that feed us and feed our spirit and well what can be said is about whether or not someone should be able to tell you that you can't correct go out you can't take a risk and this idea that decision if you don't want to go then don't [ __ ] go the the realists looked at it and said you're not going to control a respiratory virus the realist look at it and said you might be able to mitigate some Risk by making people follow certain protocols where you would spread it less easily but godamn some of these things are like really this new Omicron ises that how you say it Omicron oron say omnicron but it's Omicron Omicron is uh crazy contagious just bananas contagious everybody I know but they were sick for two days but that's the problem is that it doesn't fit the fear-mongering headlines the the fear-mongering headlines are there's a her Arcane of viral demons coming your way have you heard there's a compilation I'm going to play you this compilation without copyright without any use of uh can I pee really fast yeah go pee okay cuz I want to see this but PE let me play this to experience a viral blizzard Bard a viral blizzard a blizzard racist for a viral blizzard there's a blizzard the country is facing a viral blizzard a blizzard No Agenda viral blizzard no I found it on Twitter one infectious disease expert saying a quot viral blizzard is about to hit this country right brought to you by fizer you know this is why I love No Agenda because they put it they give you such a perspective when they they concentrate all of it and you're just like oh my God they're all saying the same [ __ ] yeah No Agenda he he operates like literally With No Agenda such a fan he's so smart that he's he's manag to make himself completely independent of the system suzan go PE will we'll be right back but Jamie what are we going to do what where's what's if you from your perspective as a producer of a podcast that gets seen by millions of people when you you're looking at things all the time you're paying attention to Trends you're looking at online activity metaverse [ __ ] all this stuff where
are we going something's happening right civilization is clearly at a Tipping Point right I could be cynical on that and go maybe because those days I don't look at my phone you forget right stuff it's going wild for sure but eventually it's going to affect you like the way you pay your bills whether or not you get credit there's it's going to affect you right if they if they Institute some sort of a social credit system it's going to affect you um are you worried about that at all yeah I heard someone talk about something like that over the weekend what they say like a global credit score of some kind or something like that did you see the Y we talked about the Yahoo article right where they said that they were going to base it in some part on your browser history oh they they talked about it yeah yeah yeah where the the idea was they were floating it out there that your browser history might make you available for more credit so the idea would be that if you gave up all the [ __ ] you looked up they would allow you to have more credit because they know hey well he's not Googling bulletproof vests or [ __ ] freeze-dried food if they did that though people would just make burner accounts to look online instantly and it be yeah but if they track your [ __ ] device like who knows what kind of ability they have to actually track your phone or your your laptop right like if Edward Snowden didn't tell us about their ability to essentially like Mass store every [ __ ] phone call and email you've ever made if if Edward Snowden didn't tell us about what the NSA was cooking up we would have never guessed it so who knows what the [ __ ] is going on right now you should assume that everything you say is constantly being monitored and recorded whether you're saying it on a phone off a phone oh look it's Suzanne she's back like Will Harris shared a post today about a guy who went uh spent the week at his mom's house and is now getting advertisements for his mother's toothpaste oh my God and they never talked about it you know but it explained why why that's happening well your phone's listening no no it has nothing to do with that it's it's like it it knows everything you've bought
because of all the terms and conditions you've you've done so like it's checking your email and all that stuff oh yeah for sure thato and then linking that with like I sort of said this like a week or two ago it it'll have uh your phone's social security number if you will it's like a mobile ID number it's the E and all that kind of stuff it's linking that with GPS data so it'll know like me and you and Suzanne are all with each other right so she'll start getting advertisements for stuff you're buying thinking and hoping that you might see an advertisement suzan will see ad you miss like Hey Joe did you see this thing you were I bet you would love this well well what about when you talk about something and then you get an ad for that something that you've never seen an ad for before it it could be it's it's coincidence it could have known that you were watching TV because it's coming through a streaming service now and it knows you would have seen the so it's it's re it's reiving it to you you know it's like it's redistributing it to you right like the only reason why I know about it is I've seen an ad yeah like I I've been using YouTube TV for two or three years now and I recently watched I don't remember the reason why but like o over theair uh football game you know like over the antenna the advertisements are so different and I like you don't even realize it right but I have had conversations with you MH or with a lot of people where I'm talking about something and then all a sudden I get an ad for that thing and like Google ads I also think there's a lot of uh it's how many ads do you get all day that you're that doesn't happen to and you're like oh [ __ ] I mentioned that thing yesterday and also when you mention it are you mentioning it because it's in the public Zeitgeist why did you say it right and then it gets out there that's possible too like but that's the thing is like you have to be like really honest about what what's the source of whatever the [ __ ] it is and the problem is people get really tribal and when they get really tribal they don't want to admit that maybe they don't totally understand what's happening like is my phone listening to me [ __ ] it might be it seems like it is definitely might be why
wouldn't it be they definitely have the technology like if they know if Suzanne Santos talking some [ __ ] they can just listen to that bitch's phone all day long they know right they know they can do that if Joe Rogan is saying something stupid they could check his phone they know you know they can I know they can we all know they can so if that's the case like well how are they doing that and are they using that technology all the time like why would you just use it on potential criminals or enemies of the state or what have you would you could use it on the entire [ __ ] population and make trillions of dollars in avatars of Revenue like wouldn't you do that what are you stupid use it on everybody hey heyy guys we don't we just get metadata we don't even know who it is we're going to send the ads to their phones we give you a little piece a little taste little taste when you it's just ads why are ads like we know better at least at some extent off for ads I don't see I don't well some of them you do I buy coolers I don't need I'm like I want a Blue Yeti it looks so good I'm a [ __ ] that's tapped into something that's coolers I have a cool there's a bunch of ads you don't fall for you know I saw [ __ ] rang they're selling [ __ ] rangs yeah but we sign up for that stuff like when you sign your cell phone thing there's all kinds of [ __ ] in there well nobody reads terms and agreements when was the last time you read terms and agreements for anything I I think it's a very rare breed that ever takes the time for that you smoking one of them dad joints I'm smoking a dadass is that a Seattle thing is that still from Seattle I think they're from La that was from La really I think so can't read anymore right you're with me this old old people eyeballs there's a QR code oh thank you sir is it Delta 8 or is it I saw someone sell an hhc now you do it like just got my eyelashes oh no it didn't no it didn't no no still there nowhere near your eyelashes H it's surprisingly potent you know how does this work okay there you go I was uh listening to this podcast today they were talking about ducks dicks are they still there yeah they're all there you look great I don't know it did not burn you did not burn your eyelashes Che no no no
you barely touched the the cigarette it's just here that was scary you uh flip it Delta 8 I got a story about Delta that stuff's nonsense that should be illegal I'm with the state the state wants to ban it there's hhc now which is like even a derivative that ban that too these [ __ ] need to go to war or stay home either go to war or stay home we can't like take fake weed over real weed you can get the Delta eight you should be able to get what Suzanne has lashes eyelashes wait let me eyelashes and snooped so when my um when my record came out in August you know like a lot a lot of buildup lot and then um it came out on Thursday and Friday a good friend of of of mine and nicks uh gave us all these Delta Eights and I didn't know what delta8 was edible or I had no idea and this might be Child's Play to you cuz you're you but I ate one Friday in the middle of the day oh I'm going to have to spark up another joint to hear the store and I I I didn't know what I was getting into because it was street legal so I and I'm in Texas so I thought like you know I lived in California for so long I've had Edibles and all that [ __ ] I was high until Midday Sunday and [ __ ] incapacitated and I and I was just like I had and I I started to like do some research and ask around and I apparently had like the equivalent of like 70 milligrams of THC which for exactly I said child play to you I'm a f mil kind of gal I'm lightweight I'm only a purple belt Joey Diaz is the grandm he's a coral belt I've been on planes with Joey Diaz and I've been terrified and I watched him pop two more extra 200 milligram ones in his mouth that's [ __ ] insane he's insane that's insane I've seen it he goes Joe Rogan I was in the middle of a panic attack and then he takes he two more and he throws him down the hatch and I'm like no we're like halfway across the country on our way in New Jersey and this guy is eating stars of death way no way it's crazy it's so potent yeah I mean they're so potent I'm I'm sensitive across the board like I but you and I are very different than Jamie Jamie can eat a th000 milligrams I'm sorry what no no [ __ ] Jamie has the weird Jamie might be an alien are you an alien and I'm not kidding the best one-handed goog
the world's ever known is that are you Capricorn congratulations the thing that's important about him though isgan he doesn't get high off of Edibles it doesn't work on him can you get drunk sure okay cool there's something about Edibles it's an edible thing it doesn't work he just sit there and stare at you crazy so he just like got th Mig in him did you ever heard that story about a that um I forget who went to visit him and gave him LSD and they were trying to talk to these monks and tell them that this uh yeah sure they were trying to tell them that this um thing that he had would bring him immediate instant Bliss Enlightenment Enlightenment and and he ate like 50 doses worth and just laughs at the guy goes yeah like it didn't even work on him wow now I got this from Duncan Trussell and he might have got it from someone who's really in love with crystals so no one's no one can tell whether or not that's true but it might be true it sounds like a fun thing to say man it's fun to think to some guy out there that doesn't have sex that eats only tofu and he's just breathing all day right and you give him an acid and he doesn't even blink well I actually I know a couple people that have this you know the immense capacity of meditation that is I I would say on par with psychedelics and acid and all that stuff and no I think so too um I it's not it's not on par with the actual experience when it's at its peak but there's per there's people that are sober that don't need anything that have like a a weird understanding of how things work I told you there's a a viral Tik Tok video a couple months ago and now they've come up with a new term for this called Eddie blocked there are people that are like me that are blocked they're not able to get high off of Edibles that makes sense it's a key liver enzyme apparently really yeah well we all know people who are alcoholics right if you smoke does that have a difference oh I mean get high instantly that's it right there yeah Eddie blocked some people can't get high from eating marijuana there he goes you know what's interesting is um I mean I don't think people even
[ __ ] knew that it was different until like the 2000s when people found out about uh D like all the different metabolites that are created when you eat it 11 hydroxy metabolites the big one when you eat it it's so different than smoking it really yeah it's way different of course but it's it's four to five times more psychoactive so if you have like 20 milligrams of THC and and then you you eat it like it's a totally different experience smoking it not not to get too personal here but they you know they have those suppositories what has Suzanne been doing so I you know they they can personally listen there's nothing wrong with that only use them for for severe menstrual cramps which what goes up you can must come down and I can tell you it's a great feeling but it's weird because it's just like in your abdomen in this way that like uh oh here we go I just Googled suppositories I typically take suppositories about 15 to 20 minutes to fully melt and absorb into the body said Reeves Reeves sounds like a freak he sounds like he lives in Sedona and and he's selling out memberships so if you're using them for sexual purposes be sure to wait at least that long before penetration play penetration play is the creepiest [ __ ] two words together ever yeah it's pretty weird penetration I've never used it for for fun for fun but I've used it for um you know for pain and it's pretty incredible well it's good it's the best way to get it into your bloodstream right it's like people just scared of their butts well I'm not talking about my butt go up the other way oh well that works that makes sense but it says suppositories I'm thinking about but Market vagina suppositories vagina oh supposit the answer to better less painful sex but um you know it's great for cramps that's awesome yeah well look it's a magic plant I mean it does so many different things I'm a gigantic fan of CBD like where it doesn't really I always can't tell if it does anything if you have inflammation from exercise if you have inflammation from all kinds of different like weird things in life there's two things you can do to change that one alter your diet might be might have something to do it might be genetic yeah it might be genetic but it might
also be have something to do with the foods you're eating where you have a bad reaction to them find out what that is they tell you to go on like an Elimination Diet like maybe you go all vegan or you go all carnivore whatever the [ __ ] it is it's like find out what what what keeps you from having this constant state of inflammation you might be allergic to something two she she probably check to see if you are allergic to something but then also sure I am everybody is right but the also the other the other thing they say is like you got to like do something that's healthy for you that has these anti-inflammation properties to it and for in my experience like CBD has been one of the best because when you work out a lot like you get sore joints like my toes something or is a like a topical everything I take a topical I take oral I take a gummies I eat gummies I take drops I do drops yeah I I I take C you feel the difference yeah 100% I've had like what they would call turf toe where my my toes almost have like arthritis from kicking things okay cuz like when you're kicking a heavy bag like you have this thing that's hanging there it's 150 lbs and you're [ __ ] stabbing it with the ball of your foot and your toe gets compressed all the time and plus you're pushing off of it so there's a lot of like repetitive use the thing that helps me more than anything is CBD no [ __ ] more than anything I bet attack it from like all the angles you I do but I don't do any like rub on stuff on my toes I just I just take drops or I take uh gummies cool yeah I take the cbdmd these like super potent gummies and I'll take like 10 of them you know they they don't hurt you no it's it doesn't get you high at all no I mean like they're sweet it's like you like a little candy sugar yeah but they there's a lot of people that sell CBD mixed with THC the problem with that is if you have a square job like if you work somewhere where they're going to test your PP like Suzanne we don't trust your musicians we going to test your PE but if you did I can back the [ __ ] off you imagine if you work for some firm no and you like like Susan we would love to have you climb the corporate ladder never in the cards for me actually check that urine never mind
piss in the bucket please please I think my only other option of of a like other job would have been selling spaghetti and pizza in Cleveland and that's not a bad job not a bad job people are happy they come in they eat good food they feel good when you're entertaining too you know there's there's something about feeding people is is you know I love to cook it's it's a it's a con it's a legitimate connection with people because it's like the pleasure centers of the brain are activated by good food and also like comfort and oh yeah food is love all that stuff in the good one good food is yeah yeah I mean my like wheat grass juice is not really love not particularly it's not hate but like if you drink wheat rasp neutral you're just deciding I want to be healthy well it's nice when you're in that zone of like I'm taking care of myself and I know wheat grass and ginger and all that stuff are good juice you know it's good it's good I think the the weak grass Lobby might have pulled a [ __ ] fast one on us oh yeah [ __ ] I'm not buying it anymore tast terrible I feel like things do good for you should taste good you up until like cake um I this is funny recently A A good friend of mine here in Austin told me about this stuff called black oxygen oh that's that [ __ ] they were talking about the other day oh my God okay so so I started taking it Joe and and it's powder form dirt and it's fulvic acid which is minerals and which dirt so I I was taking it and then I I was actually like losing some weight and like I was like you were you were dying this is you eat dirt and you're dying Nick went to go buy us some more no Nick and you couldn't find it anywhere because literally it's illegal that day I'm not kidding you that day it was like December 6th or some [ __ ] they it came out that this was like some [ __ ] pyramid scheme and there was uh Arsenic and lead and you couldn't get it on Amazon you couldn't even find their website and I was like oh my god oh so I've been poisoning myself that that can be a thing way someone could literally sell dirt like I got an idea bro imagine a bunch of guys in a [ __ ] apartment they've been doing this for centuries this has been like this thing I know but the fact like all the other it got to you smoking
mirrors did it did listen if that ever comes up please run it by me yeah if someone getes me a new thing yeah I'll run it up the totem pole I'll get an answer thank you friend there's always someone who will go hey hey hey no well you know the thing is thank you I appreciate that I I'm I am after a life of health and vitality and joy and so you know I exercise a lot and and I I keep a fairly you know like concise diet give or take getting Stone and eating cereal at midnight but whatever cereal is delicious it's so good why is it so good when it's so bad for you what's your what's your like guilty pleasure which one we we if I had peanut butter Captain Crunch next to count chocolate which one you going to grab my God so we're we're more of the berry like we do Froot Loops and kind of like but we'll get the like organic fro Loops that's [ __ ] no no no I like golden grams too what was that we had a sponsor for a while that had like a keto breakfast cereal magic spoon pretty [ __ ] good it's pretty good you know what it's like 70% of the taste with zero guilt and I put honey on that on that terrible person no Honey's SCH it's [ __ ] natural good no no they [ __ ] up the whole vibe no it's okay no you have no sugar May a little cinnamon look don't stop on my dreams it's not isn't it [ __ ] that like sugar is such a siren song it just pulls you right into the Rocks like he's just like I'll take it give me the tiu crash right of the Rocks face first [ __ ] tiu is my all time favorite tiu is my all time favor I'm a [ __ ] yeah terisu is my number one ter if I could have just terisu a if last day on Earth 100% love it big fan I compot on it or no I'm bad like little fruit on top of it or no you don't like cheesecake that doesn't mean you're a bad Italian it means you recognize that tiasu is better if tiasu and cheesecake are right next to each other and the tasu looks like it's properly prepared the correct move is to go with the tasu not supposed to [ __ ] with that cheesecake that stuff gets on the roof of your mouth it's okay tiasu is better tiasu is like there's something about like when they have the little cocoa powder on the top of the Whi the cream and the che was it marscapone cheese oh
my God it's so creamy you eat it you're like you're such a bad person it's like this is so wonderful I I think that we have to enjoy these these Delicacies more like that baby with the pizza yeah exactly that's what we have to your Christmas just eat your pie Joe eat your pie and you get look the thing is you're you're too determined that's the problem I add that to pie like I I'm determined to eat more pie like once I eat a piece of pie I'm like let's go you're never going to turn into fat but it doesn't matter it's like Slayer songs start playing and then I want to conquer this [ __ ] cherry pie it's not good I I don't appreciate that I'm going to feel like [ __ ] for like 12 hours afterwards that's the problem 12 hours yeah did you sleep that night yeah okay but I always have like crazy nightmares too like when you have too much sugar in your system like your body's trying to fight off demons totally totally I had a nightmare last night that I was late for the Rogan podcast like I did the last time and it was this real odyy you late last time no but I had the same dreams that I was late but last time Brad Pit was my boyfriend and I was late and I had it last night I was I was late and then it and I realized so it was like Nick and I were at this bar that I love uh called The Sage Brush here they have all these pool tables and they always have live music and it's great where's that at uh it's farther down on South Congress in Austin it's great it's just like a honky tonk oh nice and we shoot a lot of pool it's really fun do you shoot like that [ __ ] bar pool or you shoot like a real table there what do you mean I don't want to shame you shame me little tiny tables no they're coins in Full full t put coins in so that's a bar table well uh you want a 9ot table that's real pool that's like Jamie you're a basketball player if you played basketball tiny little [ __ ] room like this size you retired from basketball yeah last week really no just because of uh player I was actually shooting baskets last night for the first time in three years let's let's say it this way instead of basketball cuz I I know you actually have a wicked three-pointer uh if if golf was on a very small lot oh it makes it easy right it' be a problem part three but it wouldn't be the same
right okay okay okay first of all I beat you on your own table one time what happened I scratched no you did not scratch you won I did win seems odd no it was it was it was I was probably trying to set you up for a b Gary was there too we had witness okay first of all we're going to play after this we'll see okay you can actually play a little pool but like you're a smart person like you know where the ball's going you figure it out you think through I love pool I I've played a lot but you know you had a glove on the first time we play together well I have a I have sweaty hands and I I here's the thing like I'm fully aware when I put this glove on I'm going to be made fun of but I get to this point it's like a little black respect you it's only over two fingers folks two well two fingers in the thumb it's because my fingers sweat and I I need have these kamui gloves it makes the que slide through my fingers better I know it's a joke I'm like while I'm doing I'm like loser I know but this is better this better you're you're a pool athlete and and you have passion and I respect that look you get your gear you know like no it's better with a glove than no glove that's the only reason why I do it don't I know it but but it makes true you feel like a loser you do feel like a guy with a glove on you know uh but a lot of the best players of the world like if you looked at all the best players in the world I would say at least 50% of them are wearing pool gloves I mean it's like a delicacy you know it's it's like how do you want to do this do you want to like you're right I I like playing not slop we don't play slop but playing at the bar play slop play no we're not going to play slop I know how to play we're not playing that's why I said it that's first of all that's insulting it's fun it's fun to play Wild it's the balls are wild that's how gamblers play oh I love when they gamble on nineball they they play all the balls wild wait what that mean that means if you like go to shoot a a one ball on pool yeah yeah yeah when you gamble a nine ball one of the reasons why nine ball is a gamblers game and this goes back to like decades and decades ago okay is that nine ball is kind of a wild game in that all the
balls are wild like if you went to shoot the one ball in the corner but you missed and it bounced three rails and went into the side pocket still good right still good okay it counts cuz the ball went in the hole you didn't have to want to make it in that hole but here's the thing I preer the intentional right but it favors the person who makes the best shots but the the luck Factor makes it exciting for people watching because you can see a person who's a better person I prefer skill over luck I do too but there's something fun about watching a nineball Ricochet around a [ __ ] table when someone missed and then going into the corner pocket you're like gers love that so the skill for players decided to invest in 10 ball what 10 ball is is nine ball plus another ball you have to call every shot okay so it's rotation the way nine ball is but it also has no luck involved at all and then gamblers started moving towards that but that's like that's a little trickier like when you're betting on 10 ball like there's a difference between like sometimes you'll over assess how good someone is at nine ball and then you see him at 10 ball like that one extra ball that you have to maneuver around to knock that one into makes like a giant percentage maybe 10% whatever it is there's a difference yeah and if you played 15 balls if you do those in rotation then you would really see the difference in players like w like there a guy named efon Reyes arguably the greatest of all time from the Philippines one of the greats for sure played rotation which is like a 15 ball game in the Philippines so he got so used to playing with 15 balls that like nine balls was easy so when he came over to America like had a way better sense of where the ball was going people just played nine balls it's a pool yeah pool's like a there's a there's a thing going on with pool yeah it's like testing where you are in the moment it's not just testing whether or not you know how to shoot a ball it's how together are you how bad do you hate yourself 100% 100% Joe you're so right I I was literally talking to Nick about this last night I said I I I uh compared that sentiment to other areas in my life where I was like when I'm like doubting myself you know I'm like I'm not going to make this but I I can like I have the
skill I know how to play pool I'm actually pretty good but there's this mental game going on just like tennis I love tennis when I play tennis there there's a um I'm pretty competitive I wouldn't normally admit that but I've had a few and yes I am competitive I the mental game is everything I mean you know you know and and I I can attribute that to pool in that way where before I even get to the table and I line it up I'm like and I start doubting and and like telling you know whatever but when I'm in a different state of mind I'm like think like and I'll have the the table for five six games in a row and I've done it but it's a weird internal struggle I have with making war on suzan you should go pro making War at Suzanne I need to be nice to Suzanne there's a song there I know I'm telling you I know I know she's she's she's cool dude we've been talking for almost three [ __ ] hours it's 42 I didn't know that how is that possible well it's we have fun Jamie knows he's like God I'm so bored with this are you bored no oh I'm not Jamie is look at him look at him he's falling asleep over there what's your typical podcast time frame these days there's no I mean it's usually generally around three hours everyone has to pee but we already peed yeah you know it's like you know those toilets are pretty low they're like squatty potties some of them are yeah some are low in the Ladies Room apparently they're very low the men's room they're normal size I don't know I was like yeah we've been here a whole year but we still haven't like totally like uh figured this place out it's wonderful no I I I think The Squatty potty's great squatty potties are good have you ever used that thing that you put under the feet of the toilet you sit on it it's great you put your feet on it it's good yeah we're supposed to squat over holes M isn't that nuts there's this book called uh oh my God it's by oh boy it's about your digestive system and like your digestive system sorry your fault that's Buffalo Trace coming home your digestive system like can you edit that out no keep it in damn it that part would keep it in only the legal stuff probably we can get eded happy try
to digestive system and and uh the the name is escaping me right now but it's amazing what happens like the well first of all the minute you like have a like a fork full of food coming toward your mouth and your senses and all the things going on inside your mouth like like these like trash cans of saliva that are going to grab whatever's bad and whatever's good and all your nutrients and all that stuff and yeah it's it's like our bodies are fascinating they're [ __ ] fascinating um but anyway book gives you like this whole like rundown start to finish on what happens when you're ingesting food and it's going through your digestive system suck my [Music] Di and we're back and but but like um lost it found it um just just the way that we're were made up anyway yeah nature is it's bizarre like why our digestive system are really strange the idea there's a bunch of bacteria living down there that like gives us an appetite for certain foods oh yeah people that start eating healthy they start like craving healthy foods they start craving like salmon sh you well if you have candida your sugar intake is through the roof and and a lot of people do a lot of people do well we're an ecosystem that's that's the weirdest part about being a person that's never I mean very rarely discussed that there's more bacteria living in your gut than have ever been people ever there's a bunch of weird factors that attribute to your personality well your gut health and your mental health are very Rel they're directly related well it's I think we look at the problems we look at it in terms of a bunch of different systems like working together I think we should look at as like a one big system that has a bunch of different entities to it and if you had that you'd be like I'm going to pour sand in the engine don't worry about it it's fine it's only pie but that's what we're doing pie T Pie [ __ ] it's delicious I'm pouring delicious sand in the [ __ ] gear I got a bag that's what it's like and we're we're like accustomed to doing it I'm not saying that it shouldn't be an option but I'm saying that like we need to be like way more vocal about what this is question I agree here's the question when you the more I mean you're a very healthy guy you you have like
your body down to a science right in a way no I'm you have the resour body down to a pseudo science but but you have the resources and you exercise in a way that like your body is very important to you I work out a lot and but on top of that you also um experience Enlightenment in various forms of meditation or maybe psychedelics or whatever it is that works for you and my question to you is do you feel a difference when you have achieved a level of it's not even self self awareness it's kind of like an overall like maybe spiritual and physical and mental awareness where you introduce or reintroduce like a contaminant or or sugar where you like feel it harder than you did maybe when you were a kid right I think you feel it harder when you're a kid and I think you also feel it harder when you're more aware of how I don't think you feel it harder when you're a kid when you're a kid you're just like [ __ ] cupcakes I no no no no you feel it harder as an adult than when you were a kid got it got it that's what I meant like now as a 54 year-old if I eat cupcakes 54 I'm 54 you look great thank you my friend who's there if uh if I eat cupcakes today I feel them very differently than if I ate cupcakes when I was 20 yes when I was 20 it was like a thrown into a volcano it just burn off and that would be the end of it like a trash bag it didn't matter it didn't matter but um that's the case with all of us but there's also a thing where I think I'm more aware of how what I eat affect my body whereas back then I was just like I just [ __ ] bouncing in the walls with blinders on and I don't think I was necessarily that aware I think I was like more engine less traction sure I was a lot of like sliding into trees like there's a lot of acceleration not under control and I think that's the same with my diet because I think that when you're young and you eat like three pizzas you don't even think about it like but then when you're tired don't put the two and two together you go oh my God I feel like [ __ ] cuz I ate three pizzas right you just feel like [ __ ] for whatever random reason I can't wait to feel good again and you just keep eating the same kind of food but when you get older you are more vulnerable to your choices like you feel your food choices
differently but also you've had a conversation with your body for more years so as the more years go on the more you and your body have this understanding of the requirements like me me and my body will have like little arguments like when my body will talk the brain and go hey [ __ ] what are we doing we need to do something like we're getting annoyed at people it's time to go to the gym [ __ ] face and then my brain be like it's good to have rest and recovery and then the body B I think that's where that Sno stuff comes in play for me not not in the overall view like explain that CU we were talking about that before we started the podcast right um so uh Nick introduced me to the do Sarno methods and John Sno John yeah cuz I would get these repetitive it would start in my specifically right shoulder blade up my neck to the back of my skull and I wouldn't be able to like turn my head and it would lock and and I would always attribute it to like oh I slept funny or like I've been playing music even if I weren't playing music and so I was married to this narrative that wasn't necessarily true and it was mostly mental and and mind you like if I if I had an injury like that'd be one thing but this was that Sarno you know ethos of like you have repressed emotions or you have something that you're not acknowledging like psychosomatic thing right exactly he calls it TMS what does that it stands for uh tension mitosis syndrome so what happens is your brain fires off uh your repressed emotions and it manifests in your body and it's real pain it's not it's not made up and so my muscles are deprived of like your myof fash is deprived of oxygen which creates this this like lock in your shoulder blade which is where it would show up for me how is your myof fascia deprived of oxygen because your brain is rep it's your repressed emotions and they're putting it somewhere so it's like uh your your brain makes the muscle contract or something like it's it it's putting this like anger or or like unresolved thing in your body right and and specifically what happens is your your myofascia is deprived of oxygen which then makes the muscle lock is this um a theory of what the mechanism is or has this actually been proven by studies it it's been I think it's been proven by
studies I mean I've I've read his books and I've I've watched a bunch of YouTube videos so I'm not an expert on it but I can tell you from my life when I recognized that my my pain was potentially ostensibly emotional I started like examining well like what are you really feeling and it's sort of meditative in that way and I'll be honest like when I've had moments of tension where I was having an argument or something or I was getting bad news and email and like I'd start to feel whatever I was like maybe my stomach hurt and I get that I get a lot of stomach aches and that that's definitely a a manifestation of my emotions yeah I would take a different approach rather than be like ah [ __ ] I got to get some RADS and I got to lay down and I have this thing this this routine that I've had for a long time and I would approach it differently and I have been approaching it differently and it's it's really been interesting and mind you like we were talking about this earlier about like if you have actual pain from residual whether it's you know you were talking about Jiu-Jitsu and and oxygen deprivation from like holds and things right um I can just speak for myself I'm not an expert but when I would entertain even the idea that you know Sue this is I think you're mad about something else and you should sit with that like my my shoulder would change like it wasn't like so you were just like clenched up yeah it's the pain is real that's the thing it's not the the pain is not an idea like it you're actually having a thing that's that [ __ ] sucks and I think it's important also to say there's two different things there's like someone who been in a car accident and clearly has a [ __ ] up back and that's causing them pain and then someone where there's not well they look at an MRI or or X-ray and they go we don't know what's wrong but you're in agony yes but when you go back to like our caveman selves like if you we neglect to remember that our our bodies are really incredible they heal themselves and like a lot of our injuries are are like residual like pharmaceutical like you have restless leg syndrome so you have to take this like you know a lot of that stuff is really mental and and like we but we marry ourselves to this like oh yeah
that's right I got a bad back or me I have bad feet so I'm going to have this and this and so I would just like subscribe to this idea rather than give myself the opportunity to be a healthy living adult that has a lot of like you know I'm I'm not broken but but I've thought that for a long time I've thought like oh man I got bad feet so I'm going to have bad knees the bad feet thing like have you ever looked at like foot strengthening exercis no I got Yoga Toes did they help yeah they do a lot and yoga helps a lot well they really should we're all supposed to have fingers or toes rather splay out like fingers correct yeah so this is what I'm saying like this idea that like you can sort of reconnect with your natural physical being as opposed to like the you got this you should take this medicine for this and and just like thinking for a long time that you have an issue that you ostensibly don't have right mind you if you have an accident or something that might require more attention that's different but I've I've recognized recently that a lot of my shoulder and neck issues are specifically emotional well I think there's a lot of people for sure that are experiencing that there's a lot of people for sure that are experiencing a lot of tension and especially now like more than ever in our lives right like when if you ever been alive or people are this [ __ ] tense no well I mean what you were saying earlier about like our line of work in entertainment and like oh like we don't get to create if we're you know we don't audience out of what we but other people that like their jobs are their passion and and things that they love I mean locked out of that too like how about chefs how about you know people that work in a lot of people that worked in restaurants got [ __ ] yeah I mean it became a real goddamn [ __ ] show for those folks and how about teachers who are terrified salute my friend cheers salute how about teachers are we're making it happen there's so many teachers out there that are terrified of um their kids getting them sick and then they're dying you know like they're they're really worried like and if you're a teacher and maybe you haven't been concentrating on your health and all a
sudden like going to school is not just you're going to take care of some kids and give them some ideas and help them to educate themselves and evolve their view of the world now you might die now you might die now your job is a do you believe that 100% for some people they definitely might die it's just how many what's the percentage you know for sure I know people that have gotten [ __ ] up by covid and I know people that just Breeze through it and I know people that got [ __ ] up by Delta that took you know and I know people that got this new one Omicron and it's been nothing for them so fortunately that's the the way this is headed with this particular variant is that it's it's more contagious than ever but it's less virulent like it's not rough on most people and they've only recorded theyve recorded I think seven deaths or maybe n deaths worldwide find out how many deaths worldwide have been from Amicon but only one of them in the United States and they kind of abandoned that they had this idea that this guy was they they said he definitely tested positive when he died but he had pre-existing conditions that they think may have been the cause of death whatever it is they don't but that's one only one person so who knows how many [ __ ] and hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have caught it over the last month or so it's been a viral blizzard well hurricane what they say blizzard blizzard you know I I got caught onto the Alex baren and stuff in his in his research and then I I personally don't know anyone who died from Co but I know like people telling me they had family members and so and I have I have so much respect for that I have empathy of sympathy all the things like I'm being I I'm sensitive to that I'm not going to tell you that I know to me but sound a little mean but I I always when I hear but I'm always like well here comes the hard stuff but the thing that's confusing me now is like this Christmas season so many people I know are like oh I couldn't go home because we tested positive even though so and so is as asymptomatic and and and like we tested positive but thank God we were only sick for two days like it's it's you know I I'm confused by there are not bodies L like piling up in the street
not with this new one well well we're really lucky this could be the end this could be the end of the pandemic I hope so I hope so but it could be if if it imparts real immunity to people that catch it like that this immunity lasts for the next variant and the immunity that we used to have previously it's not 100% guaranteed with the variant like people have been sick for Co and and Peter McCulla actually admitted this recently on Twitter he said that the uh variant that we used to have like the Delta if you had had the alpha the you were immune to the Delta but if you have had previous infection to covid you may not necessarily be immune to Omicron so even if you're a person who survived covid that before like a month ago they thought wasn't going to get Co again you might get this one but you just saidon like one person is reported as yeah one but they they don't even think that that's how he died anymore they kind of abandoned that idea they think he was already going to die but he tested positive when he died but he was [ __ ] no no offense intended again like approaching sensitively to people that have had difficult times with this I I think the obsession with our okay UK says 14 deaths and 129 hospitalized by Omicron well clearly they run by dictators and they're lying to the people right but that's that's what I'm saying like well I I don't I know that sounds reasonable though how many people in the UK I don't know all I do know is like I I think it was 2016 I had the worst flu of my life I don't remember a couple days I was so [ __ ] sick like I I literally I couldn't speak I I missed out on shows and I don't remember like two whole days and that was 2016 and I had the flu but back then like you just got better and I wasn't right for a couple months you know I was like couple months getting my like my strength back up like I was I was just sleeping so hard I was so tired all the time and then I got better and I I can only speak for my my own life and my Human Experience and and like I said I have so much respect for anyone who's had a really hard time with this specifically death or of loved ones or or their own illness I I I would like to have a conversation
and understand what you've experienced but I do believe that what's on the news is is so manipulative in terms of fearmongering and trying to get us to think something that may not be what it is and I I I want to be a part of of the the solution and and and positivity but the way that things are being run is really [ __ ] scary well it's really scary and that because I don't know what's real we're monitoring we're we're making money off of what's killing people like whatever the numbers are like if you talk about the numbers if the numbers are exaggerated it's more beneficial to the person that's reporting the story because more people going to read it if you say a thousand people died this week from covid way more people going to read that than zero people died so instead of saying this new variant seems to be like a cold and if we take care of ourselves and if we look after our immune systems we can get through this and also potentially gain her immunity imagine if they just set that out there they put it out there like we're going to give you guys uh like a a little emotional and like anxiety treat we're going to tell you we might be okay because this one variant that seems to be like really prevalent and impossible to stop like even that crazy lady on CNN that Asian lady that's always talking about Doom and Gloom she's the end of times lady you know that lady you know that lady she was like facial she goes cloth facial masks are no more than de decorations cloth masks are facial decorations she said it on CNN oh yeah you heard that yeah we played it the other day Doom and Gloom she said cloth masks don't work she was trying to scare people into wearing like [ __ ] hazmat suits but really what she made people realize like this whole year of wearing these M of course if air is getting in what else how much protection is it giving but also you're ingesting 10% how much what percent of protection is giving you is it even giving you 10 is it G I don't think so it might be giving you something it might be giving you something but what's the number I want to [ __ ] study well you know who to talk to all the people that want problem is all the people that I talk to say musician I can only tell you that I keep getting denied access because you
have to be vaccinated and show a negative test like all that stuff makes no sense to me wow we're we're in the midd we're in the middle of all kinds of weirdness Suzanne all kinds of weirdness we're all trying to figure this out but we have to have a commitment to like wanting friendship a commitment to wanting it to be worked out in a positive way I do and I I I know you do and I do too and Jamie does too Jamie's a little sketchy sometimes antisocial he plays video games he's a golfer Jamie I I would really like to hang out with you soon we should play golf watch the Browns break our hearts play golf with him he's a [ __ ] assassin Jamie's gonna be on the tour he's gonna I'm GNA lose him to the tour it's going to be an issue right it's possible right yeah he's a sicko look at him he's a for sponsors golf is a real problem spor golf's a problem for this show it's a sick game makes people sick people no I'm scared I would like it I'm sure I would love it I see Jamie and [ __ ] henchcliffe their eyes light up Ron White his eyes light up when you talk about golf fit Simmons his eyes light up they love golf [ __ ] that game Oh weird something everybody likes yeah that's what I'm saying is it meditative for you no it's definitely not are you competitive with it yeah okay with myself super competi how are you with put listen to me he has a computer set up in the back where he has a net that he drives into the computer tracks the speed of his ball and uh how far it's going to go given the certain trajectory as it hits the net okay am I saying anything wrong a simulation of golf look at him he's a robot over there he's like that guy that winds up killing that dude in that uh [ __ ] alien movie for sure for sure we're in The Matrix Jamie are we in The Matrix could be why wouldn't I mean sure well here's the problem with that you thought the movie was good but Suzanne thought it sucked so like uh what are we doing here that's I I I don't like that's I I don't like hearing people's opinions on movies I want to see before I've seen them wait you haven't seen it no no no I have oh but because then but it goes in I had already heard people saying that sucked before came out you're like wait why do
you think it sucks I didn't hear that did you like it to begin with I went in a virgin I had no no all right so did you like the other Matrix movies I did I loved them I love them how many times did you see them which ones did you I can't say I've seen the third one enough all right so like did you play The Matrix Video Games do you you know let me tell you something about the third one you have if you saw the third one once you saw it enough the the first one's the movie The problem with the Matrix is like uh they get incrementally less dynamic or something like what is it what is it about the second one well the the was it they they're well the all of them are burdened down by the power of the first one so you have to follow all the narra until a certain point where they like anytime you make a sequel how's Avatar going to stand up James Cameron's the baddest [ __ ] that's ever done movies son I know but I mean got his own Rolex so if it does like it's 10 years you know how long ago was that even that a long time James Cameron has his own Rolex martiny has his own Rolex same James Cameron did Terminator 2 and that is way better the first one Cameron did Terminator 2 yeah yeah he's the baddest [ __ ] that's ever done movies he knows how to make movies he knows how to make like he took alien and he said I got an idea how about they're easy to kill but they're infinite they're everywhere right like he changed the movie The First movie like you can argue that the first movie was more terrifying cuz I think it was cuz we had never seen anything like that before 1979 Sigourney Weaver it's one of the best movies in terms of like inclusiveness Wonder the heroine the females the the hero of a action science fiction horror movie She's the hero she kills the monster it's the first of its kind ever and it's so good no one notices what do you mean no one notices that a woman was the hero it's just so good no no no I'm not saying they don't notice it was Sigourney Weaver I'm saying it doesn't become a narrative The Narrative is this movie is [ __ ] awesome sigy Weaver is [ __ ] awesome it's never a woman finally gets a rooll at this the number
one role in the monster movie she kills saves the Earth from the evil [ __ ] right the peripheral no one cares they just care Sigourney Weaver's awesome the movie is awesome and it was so goddamn terrifying and then James Cameron comes along and he says okay that first one was really hard to kill but the ones that I'm putting in this movie are [ __ ] and they just going to run right into your guns and they're everywhere and they're just shooting them down they're just gutting them down is that alien 2 yes aliens but it's it's totally different kind of movie right that's a ballsy move yeah like the aliens are easy to kill in that movie there's so many of them they guned him down I got I got to work with Sigourney Weaver once back when I was an actor oh she's great did you get a girl crush I did and and like she wrote me a letter like I got it in the mail from her Cartier uh you know what do you call it um oh my god I've had some Buffalo trays Jamie's fancy you know she just wrote me um a really nice letter about enjoying working with me and I I still have it is that the word you're looking for stationary stationary thank you I could not think of stationary this is I like whatta stationary thank you Jamie boy am I embarrassing myself but she was amazing she was lovely yeah she's a beast like that lady's been in some [ __ ] ferocious movies especially Alien movies she's a very present nice person like she wasn't acting like a like a big dog she was working it was very cool that's very nice yeah like her she was also an avatar right say also an avatar yeah also an avatar scientist yeah they're working on they're working on multiple avatars simultaneously because I think they take so long to do that it's probably better just like keep the people there and keep them working well do you remember the first one how like yeah groundbreaking it was did you see I did me too you know it's funny we were talking about 3D the other day and I forgot about Avatar 3D cuz that's one of the that's what it was right yeah yeah it was better The to see it I mean you could see it in the regular theater but theater I think that concept they sold 3D TVs because people were going to be watching Avatar at home and they're like you can't watch this without it and yeah I remember we went
to Best Buy we were trying to get uh TVs for the studio we went to Best Buy looking at TVs and they had a 3D TV I was like oh what is this and it was weird it like it's kind of 3D did you need glasses for those 3D TV pass it was kind of glasses you know what Samsung has out I was just at the Verizon store the other day 3D cell phone oh my God they have this [ __ ] thing where you put glasses on are you serious yeah you put goggles they're like glasses they look like a pair of Roa sunglasses you put glasses on and inside the glasses it's like a screen you're watching a like a giant movie screen so say if you want to watch Netflix on a Samsung phone you put these [ __ ] GL like if you're on a plane say if you're on a plane you're flying back to Cleveland you put a [ __ ] you put a pair of these glasses on you watch Netflix on your phone like maybe a movie you downloaded already it's inside the [ __ ] screen like you are watching a giant movie screen it's crazy it's high resolution it's beautiful have you seen it have you done it's store it's a lot like that but but it's real clear you're wearing something like you can see down low it's just glasses like it doesn't like cover your face totally like it's a vacuum seal so like you can see like if you look down you see your shirt but but the thing is like when you're watching this screen they had like a um uh like a documentary a nature documentary when you watch these animals moving around you're likea cuz it's like 4K quality but it's enormous and it's on glasses and you're like holy [ __ ] it's it's man like there's this part of me that's excited about that stuff I'm like wow and there's this part of me that's [ __ ] freaked out and scared you should be freaked out it freaked it freaked me out cuz it it really tampers with your psychology what that guy's wearing right there is it so yeah so what he's doing is he's wearing glasses are just like standard sunglasses like they kind of have in my truck but in those glasses there's something that projects a screen that literally looks like a 100 in perfect 4K screen the the the quality is spectacular so like what you're seeing when you have those glasses on is amazing but this is one of those things that like Apple doesn't have yet I don't
think it works on an Apple does it um there these so these are for Samsung there's been a strong room where Apple's releasing something this year for the phone that's how it always is Apple Waits a little longer and they make one that won't crash they don't like to be the first you know what I'm interested in though like I'm I'm interested in like yeah that's cool that's amazing Oculus like you're you're in this three-dimensional you're you're experiencing an alternate reality in a lot of ways but I I like the things that stand the test test of time like Lethal Weapon you know where I'm still entertained and their effects or whatever they have going in their like level of of technology is still still has me grabbed yeah you know like this stuff is you're just inundated with something new so frequently you know like remember when the the iPod came out before the iPhone that yeah with the wheel like it was so it was like the one thing right now there's like 12 20 like things and I I I acknowledge it I I I respect it even but to to my Human Experience it's a [ __ ] lot aot it's a lot to some people that are really really Adept to technology and I and that's great like but like I I mean I just want to take a walk in the woods and not get a a lime diseased tick I can help Cat Williams this line once Cat Williams had this line where he's talking about well they they trick you that there's 24 hours in a day and he's like there ain't 24 hours in a day he goes it gets dark out like 12 hours in and that's how they tricked you and giving up eight of your hours of the day to working and it's a really interesting yeah when you think about it that way you're like oh and so you think about technology or anything else and you realize like you only have so many hours of the day to think about things so if if you're thinking about technology or you're thinking about what whatever you're thinking about anxi you're think worried about asteroids whatever it is that it might of you should mention it takes away from the time you're thinking about other stuff it just does yes it doesn't mean that you should just like think about nothing other than what pleases you and allow the world to go to [ __ ] around you it doesn't mean that but
it also means like there's a balance to be had correct and if you're spending too much time thinking about things that freak you out or anger you or frustrate you or you disagree with people that are pieces of [ __ ] [ __ ] them yeah [ __ ] [ __ ] like it's like that's that's bad for all of us it's bad and we need to know this we need to talk about this and we need to stop making stop being angry at people that gave in that very normal base human emotion of anger and aggression and instead of like being completely connected to the idea that those people are pieces of [ __ ] for life which is only going to keep them in that same cycle of behavior just like let everybody like okay let's relax let's all relax yeah if we all like legitimately I know this would never happen but if we all shared resources if like we said hey there's only a certain amount of natural resources on the planet Earth a certain amount of people there's too many people living in poverty we're going to distribute this stuff fairly evenly across the world we're not saying that you don't make more money if you work harder and you like establish a business you figure something out and you innovate we're not saying that but we're saying is like natural resources like oil and [ __ ] and all that stuff we're going to just like distribute that evenly can we like agree to disagree that like all our problems we have with religion and socioeconomic policies and all these different things like at the very least we all have the Earth no the [ __ ] earth like no one should own the blood of the earth what's oil it's the blood of the earth they're sucking blood out of our Mothership sure and we are like listen it's all happens to be in Oklahoma and you got to Poison the Well to get it you know whether it's fracking or anything else like that should be everybody's I was in Oklahoma once when there was an earthquake and I was so confused I I was I woke up I remember being all excited because this was years ago and I just watched Game of Thrones really disturbing episode and I woke up the Red Wedding it was the Red Wedding it was funny you like straight up it was the Red Wedding and I was was terrify and I was all [ __ ] up about it and then I woke up to a violent earthquake and it was really scary and you know I
lived in California for almost 20 years and I I went downstairs and I asked the the um you know the front desk I was like do you guys get a lot of earthquakes here or something and they were like no because it's because of the fracking that's the thing yeah it was really SC that's real that's real they're literally drilling holes tampering under the Earth they've caused a [ __ ] ton of earthquakes with fracking I was in this historical hotel and they were like yeah things are getting weird but we're selling oil to Russia everything's great I don't know if we're selling oil to Russia who we selling oil to we're selling oil to people right I think we're going to really see some [ __ ] in this life that we like and we've we've seen a lot thus far but I don't know man yeah like I it's weird you know you want to be informed right you want to know top five sources but then once you know you can't unknow we imported from them on there s oh we import from them that's what it says oh top five Source countries of us gross petroleum Imports interesting asked who we sell it to in my question so and it says we sell it to Mexico Russia be on the internet they sell it to us that's why I mean don't you think that like uh this is not public knowledge yeah it has to be almost and I'm not a conspiracy theorist I try not to be but I think this country needs a president that gets to be president for like 50 years oh my God God Jesus Christ oh I think I think after four years you're like barely getting your feet wet and they yank out of office and go [ __ ] you you hate immigrants and they shove some new person in and that this new person doesn't know what the [ __ ] they're doing it takes them like a year and a half before they figure out any different on right it isn't any different but the thing is like here's the thing it's not good if someone's corrupt it's not good if someone's a criminal it's not good if someone's violing the law all we all agree to that but it's also not good if you don't know how to do the job and it's the most important job in the world and a new person comes in every four years I mean both those things are terrible well it's it's corrupt at the ground level because in order to run for Congress it's up true story it's
upward from like 30 to $50,000 a day to run really so you can't be like 50 a day you can't be an over I mean and no one's called that corruption no one has said oh like well you have to have a major machine behind you in order to run for Congress has that that's always been the case right but is that the case currently that is legal but what if someone had like a really strong social media presence like what if someone like that's never happened but what if that did happen what if someone like who is already a big social media person i' prefer like an overqualified you know intellectual who who has how about a suicide bomber oh my god oh Jesus Christ no no I think overqualified intellectual too but the problem with overqualified intellectuals is often times they've spent a large portion of their life in Academia so they've gone from being in school to graduate school to eventually teaching to like they're a part of this system and although that's amazing that they can do that and it's in the best case scenario it allows them to be professional intellectuals and to dissect ideas at the highest level in ways that people like you are or many other people probably wouldn't have access to the the the right resources or sharp Minds to to put this into order and and and then when they do put into order and they publish something the rest of the world gets to examine it and and and see their brilliant thoughts they're they're professional academics like you're a professional singer and I'm a professional [ __ ] talker like there's some people that are like really good at being professional always do that bring yourself you're like it's not they can't do it it's not they can't do it Joe very intelligent dumb as [ __ ] you got to trust me I have a really good memory that's that's the difference trust me listen I'm friends with Elon I'm dumb as [ __ ] trust me well that's that's trust me it's like when people say they're a tough guy i'm like [ __ ] I know kamaro Usman you're not a tough guy m shut the [ __ ] up I know cowboy Cerrone you're not a tough guy there's a lot of people that think they're tough guys I'm like I know real tough guys and they're terrifying I'm friends with Joe Shilling I'm friends with like real terrifying
human beings that like make a living out of throwing in their bones at other people trying to knock them unconscious so there's levels of things like if people say am I a tough guy I'm like compared to who compared to who compared some fat guy who never works I'll [ __ ] that dude up but like regular tough guys no no you got to know where you stand and that's the same place with well the definition of tough guy is fleeting you know but it is the same thing with with intelligence like when people say you're intelligent no you just have access to a lot of data but the lot of data that I have access to other people have introduced me to right it's like I'm not figuring out data on my own the the there's some brilliant people out there correct they're they're legitimately shockingly smart but you got to be like aware of where you are in this what I'm in I'm like a like a [ __ ] net for like really smart people get in here tell me what you know I'm like I throw that Wonder Woman lasso on them remember the lasso of Truth do that's the move I do yeah but I'm not that smart I'm a regular smart like these people are like preposterously as your friend you're my friend I appreciate you very much but you got to listen to me I'm telling you the truth I'm not lying there's there's there's like levels to this [ __ ] and we understand it helps everybody if you know where you are and one of the worst things is when you're around someone who doesn't know where they are right like they think they're way better than they are they think they're a way better singer or way better comic or way better why don't I get the [ __ ] attention I deserve there's always a lot of people that have these thoughts in their head and some of them they just are ready to pop and the world doesn't know yet and they're kind of frustrated and then and then they break through and then all a sudden it becomes a thing like did you listen to the podcast I had with juel no but I want to it's incredible yeah I I remember that yeah it's incredible she's amazing but her story is she's homeless yeah she's homeless at 18 okay she's singing in a [ __ ] coffee shop she talks the owner of the coffee shop was about to go under and she says listen would it be okay if maybe I do this thing and I'll put out flyers and people come to hear me saying in Alaska
no this is in San San Diego okay so she does this becomes like one of the biggest music stars is she from planet Earth yes originally homeless at 18 moves away from her parents at 15 it's a crazy story and she's one of those people like yourself that's gone through some [ __ ] and I don't want that for my kids but I love the way you turned out I love the way she turned out it's like I'm so torn it's like I don't want them to experience great pain but but it seems to be to me whether it's Joey Diaz or you are many of my friends Eddie Bravo or you know Ari shafir all my friends that I love the most dearly Duncan Trussell they all came from some crazy [ __ ] up childhood Where It produced this amazing eccentric person and they're they're so unique and special because they made it up that fish ladder that [ __ ] they pass the grizzly bear's snapping mouth woo and they they got into the river and they swam uphill and they made it we're all just a bunch of Salon we are we are in some [ __ ] weird way we are all just a bunch of salmon I you're not wrong I mean just going to sound super weird but like since I met you I felt spiritually connected to you yeah we're friends forever you and I whether it's uh we we were brothers and sisters in a past life or something there's something whether that's [ __ ] or whether it's true the moment I met you and I feel the same way about about Ben like the moment I met you guys I was like I'm connected to you guys I don't know why just immediately connected Mutual it's like there's people in this life that you meet like that and this people in his life where you have to like earn their their friendship and you have to earn their the connection with them and it requires like more than a few Hangouts like you have to hang out with them for like months and months like there's there's friends like that where I like the first time I met them were like kind of peripheral friends and I how to like crack through the ice and then you get closer to each other and you realize like oh we're all very very similar but maybe this person has been like famous longer and is a little more jaded to people annoying them and sucking up and Ste their time which happens to some of these like especially rock stars rock
stars are like the most inundated there like everybody's coming at them well it's a real- Time experience you know it's not like you had a show or a movie or something and then you get the Ricochet after that it's like music is is right there real time did you see Stones when they were in town no I didn't oh I was out of town I was I don't believe they're quitting I think that's nonsense I think MC Jagger's going to ride that [ __ ] [ __ ] until the wheels fall off but I saw him down at the um Kota the Circuit of the Americas which is amazing if you never been to that place I haven't it's so crazy the people that own it are like the nicest I saw your videos I took some I put some pictures up of it was this this was um was it Jamie what was right before Thanksgiving okay okay it was it's it was like a drug like watching The Rolling Stones on stage was like I can't believe I can't even imagine that's really MC Jagger yeah it was freaking me out that's wonderful he was right there yeah it's wonderful and it was like 50,000 [ __ ] people plus that's great and that [ __ ] can still do it yeah yeah when they sang Give Me Shelter I was like holy [ __ ] I love that holy [ __ ] like all your your Goosebumps have Goosebumps and you like your whole body's like I can't believe I'm really here yeah I mean that that's like our life force you know like that's that real time experience and and I feel like that's what I've been talking about this whole time like that's that's all I want like like you can't take any of the [ __ ] with you right right and while I'm here and and it feels like as the world gets crazier my world gets smaller so so my my juice my life force is the simplest [ __ ] but it and it's it's art it's love it's quality time and when the minute I pick up my phone I lose all that stuff and and like you know obviously like I need to figure out how to get here to your podcast location like I need my Direction but at the same time where we're at and in whatever um barometer of our our life is you know um your experience with and and I think Jess was there with you right like you were there together the stones like you had this thing that was like I'm sure you could feel it in every cell of your
body Tony hinchliff and his girlfriend were there too yeah it was um it's one of those things where you see it where you feel like energy in the air transformed but you can't write it down like you can't say oh I had 184 picograms of like rock and roll energy injected into my veins and you know Gary does this thing during his shows and I love him for this and it's so special and I know a lot of like your shows you lock up your phones before you get in so you could just be there and also people don't [ __ ] with your [ __ ] but like be there be there that's it yeah be exist in the moment have a good time just have some fun like and and I'm guilty of this too like that minute like you're like this is [ __ ] awesome and then you pick it up and you're like but you're missing something you know and and that's you are but you're also like you know you're just trying to figure it out like everybody's trying to figure out what the [ __ ] these goddamn phones are because they're not just phones they're a portals to the rest of the world they sure are yeah and you always want to check in uh bill bur was on Pat McAfee show have you seen that M it was on uh my friend uh Crystal and soer they have the show Breaking points and uh they had uh this segment of Bill Burr talking about he doesn't pay attention to anything does doesn't listen to the news he's like if you listen to Fox News or CN it they're all [ __ ] just trying to get you angry and I don't listen to any of it and he goes and every now and then sometimes like someone will say a joke and everybody laughs he goes I don't even get the joke cuz he's like he's so not tuned into to the nonsense that he's like complet but he's doing Somey I don't it's you don't want him totally happy you want Bill Burr 25% annoyed you want him mostly happy but 25% pissed off so that he could keep I think I met him that one time when we were at the wilter like a long time ago yeah yeah he came backstage yeah that that's the 2012 show yeah yeah now he's a sweetheart Joe that's 10 years ago Dude I know it's [ __ ] up that was December 21st 2012 uh yeah that was 11 years ago that was the end of the M calendar that was um the there was a a thing called The Long Count in the Mayan calendar now looking
back they might have been right they just might have been off by a few years and like I mean they you know they did they thought that something was going to change whether it was like some sort of uh procession of the Equinox changes or a change in the where the constellations are in the sky whatever it was they thought something was changing in the calendar they had this like very long calendar and the end of the Long Count was December 21st 2012 and when the the world didn't end everybody was like oh we're going to be fine but it might have it might have it might have like started a proc something ended in 2008 but it's not that long ago no 2012 is not that long ago no there it is St hope honey honey Joey Diaz too Joey Diaz is there too on the left hand side is Joey Diaz yeah is it the one on the right the one on the right Jamie I think that's the whole oh that's it yeah um yeah it was Joey Diaz Doug Stan hope you guys Eddie Bravo was backstage Eddie Bravo was there and we were all like when we booked it I remember we booked it like a year in advance we're like this is supposed to be the end of the world let's do an end of the world show my heart it was thank you man thanks thanks for bringing us along you know pleasure like it's been really fun my pleasure I don't I don't know what's coming but it's so different now you know there's so much to to process but there is but like I feel like there's also this really unique time where we all can like kind of like join together and help each other especially as artists um and I feel a giant responsibility to do that like as a podcast host it's like to have people on that I love have people on that are funny or talented or whatever and like everybody know this is what I like I like this well you know Nick said to me once he said you know you can have armies and things but like nothing kicks the door wall down like art yeah and it's true you know um and he would know I mean he's a mastermind and there's something happening to all of us and whether we are deep in it or we want to admit it whatever it is like there's a reckoning happening and um and I'm not I'm not like a doomsday person I'm not dark I'm I'm genuinely light by nature but I can't deny this hovering feeling and I I agree with you
I think the art is is important it's a Saving Grace and it connects all of us and like I said earlier maybe a couple hours ago that when I came here to see you and Dave I mean it yeah you decided to move here it CH but it changed me like I I was I you you like you grabbed my soul and reminded me of something that is very important we're supposed to be alive exactly we're supposed to be having fun we're supposed to have an experience yes and not and not deny it and and you know I realize that's very complicated but like you woke me up it's very complicated it is very complicated but at the end of the day we we have to look at like so many fact actors but then take into account like what is our end goal what's our end goal what's your end goal as a person your end goal as a person should be have better times with the people around you whether they like you more you like them more you have good friends you trust and love and you want to see them succeed you want to see people inspire you you want to see new art that changes the way you think about a particular genre or a particular style or whatever it is like all that stuff like is exciting it makes you feel better you want to do more you want to feel more we've lost something we've lost our values like we're at a surface level I don't think we're just battling this is what's going on and this is what has to go on there's no meaning without some kind of struggle and there's some kind of struggle that's happening right now that's very unique matx yeah well it's kind of it's people feel like they we're just here to like you have to the human experiences you have to struggle but I I don't agree with that but I also understand it but the thing is like our the warp speed that our brains are integrating is like we we don't have the value of time and and the depth like we're we're at this point where like our greatest joy is a Tik Tok video or some [ __ ] that didn't take much time it didn't take much effort it didn't take integrity and and like and I mean that yes sorry if that's going to piss you off but you know learn something something learn a language what about all the songs that were written in 5 minutes though when people didn't try that hard like I just
stumbled across it I mean those are some of the best of all time have been written in minutes like those songs that were written in five minutes were a byproduct of songs that were like your efforts as a songwriter for for the whole essence of your being I just meant in the Tik Tok thing get there there's a guy I don't know enough about Tik Tok there's a guy on Lex Lex fredman show I love Lex Freedman I love Lex him and Eric Weinstein I love both of them great they're both great there's a there's a guy named Peter Wang who is on Lex frean podcast this week and um there's some clips on Lex clips and one of them I sent to Lex I said this is brilliant and this is this guy Peter Wang and he's saying life without struggle is meaningless and he's basically essentially saying everything that David gogins has said that Cameron Haynes has said that lared Hamilton has said that I've said that a lot of people said like there's something about trying to achieve something that's intensely difficult gives you some sort of sense of purpose it's not necessarily all of life but what it is is is like a path to understand yourself so that you can more honestly assess what life is and I don't I think people have a really hard time assessing what life is if the path they're on is either too easy or is filled with falsehoods if it's full of [ __ ] like that's one of the reasons why people in Hollywood are so spiritually starving right cuz the whole sport of being like an actor is being a [ __ ] artist right you literally have to be the best they all kind of like hitch their wag into the like the of course the thing of like and I don't want to speak negatively culture yeah well I was going to talk about iasa like this is your shortcut to like you know yeah but that works and like and and and like PS I'm a big advocate of psychedelic healing but at the same time I think we're all looking for something whether you're in Hollywood or you're in in you know Louisiana south Louisiana trying to get a job like we all are here alive trying to figure this [ __ ] [ __ ] out yeah but I that's the thing we're all trying to figure this [ __ ] [ __ ] out all of us and we have to be charitable we got to be nice to each
other agreed that's that's like what a lot of is missing from today's chaotic discourse we're like cats on a Hot Tin Roof [ __ ] wow we're just our [ __ ] feet are hot and we're freaking out like the the like full circle of like let's sort it out like why can't we just talk why can't we just say hey I like you I disagree with you but I still really like you we can do that the problem is love that face to face person to person we can do that but then that person will check in on Twitter and Twitter will let everybody know that you're a piece of [ __ ] and probably an antivaxer and everybody will go [ __ ] Angry God someone recently called me a white supremacist and I I was like what couldn't believe it that is a sign of like they just want to shut down all discourse well there's like a a bad card to pull and and it's you know like let's just listen so the problem with that card is if you pull it on people who aren't white supremacists and they don't believe that they really are white supremacists and then when a real white supremacist comes along it's a lot like crying wolf like all of a sudden that's a real wolf you're like [ __ ] nobody wants to listen to me now but now you're in front of a real KKK member that really thinks that they're the master race versus like someone who thinks that white girl should be allowed to wear Hoops what are you saying [ __ ] hoop Hoops Hoops are people were like giving girls a hard time for wearing Hoops if they're white girls it's crazy but it's like that is not that's nonsense do you eat pizza then shut the [ __ ] up do you use a cell phone made in China let's all shut the [ __ ] up come on this nonsense oh love what we should be attacking is actual racism not like something that's like fake racism like there are people that really do not like people that are weager Muslims right that's real There's real people who really do not like people who are Pakistani because they're from India there's people that really do think yeah this there's like a lot of crazy real separation between human beings that's completely unnecessary that disregards the individual correct and anybody that wants to lump people into like these dumbass categories and then like point
at someone and like say you are a white supremacist like what you doing is ruining the term you're [ __ ] up the term and it literally like allows holes in the gates where real white supremacist can sneak through because you've made it meaningless correct you've [ __ ] up the whole term [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] right yeah it's pretty con Ed um man should you play one more song and we wrap this [ __ ] up oh [ __ ] okay well no you don't have to I know I will just just FYI there's no need to what are we in a half a bottle and I'm at least we're pretty [ __ ] up you don't have to no I want to do you want to play something new or old uh do you have a preference I don't I feel like I should request something though oh [ __ ] well let me see if I can do it what um what could be requested from like what what albums could you do with one person just [Music] you okay because I'm pretty drunk yes I'm going to play can you do Let's Get Wrecked oh no God God no but um I'll remember that for next time like that would be a that would be an like an egregious embarrassment okay what would work um I'll listen to anything okay I'm going to play a new one okay because I'm like I don't drink that much anymore I'm [ __ ] drunk and I love this so are you more tuned into the new ones cuz you've been practicing them and Performing them yeah yeah I mean like I could play a Christmas song but that's not going to work cuz it's Christmas is over but for real sometime in the future you and Gary have to record Midnight Rider okay deal it's one of my my favorite times ever seeing you pay for it we'll do it 100% I will I will do it I've been thinking about doing something like that while we're having this podcast and I'm a little bit drunk and a little bit high but I've been thinking like why don't I have like some sort of like uh promotions group like JRE promotions you know what I'm saying like time it's been time think doing something like that like just openly doing it but doing it completely uh like like where just like a charitable thing like I'm not just promote everybody you are the
Renaissance of Texas and a lot of places and I think that uh I I support that I think it can happen we should do it okay would you if I was going to have a request I would say would you play what you going to do now can you do that sure okay I'll try not to mess it up don't you're not going to mess it up don't listen even if you mess it up it's it's real it's live it's an amazing song which album is that on I think this is on [Music] three oh Baby that Fire's coming down right in your walls right out of your mouth and everything you love just Dash on the ground oh babe so what you going to do now so you run to the river you run to the Sea you sift through the rubble and search the debris but you won't find anything if you don't find peace o babe so what you going to do now don't wait until you die cuz you can always change your mind and make your R so why you still waiting outside [Music] maybe your mama didn't treat you right maybe you just didn't sleep last night you know why I don't give a damn why you want to fight oh babe so what you going to do now don't wait until you die you can always change your mind and make it right so why you still waiting outside [Music] M this is for [Music] [Applause] [Music] you so come out from the weeds and in my ARS oh babe I know the dark and how it can hard you and I've had my conscience RI me apart too so here's what we're going to do now take all your needs and all your sins and all of the losses you threw to the wind and we'll carry the weight if it breaks every limb [Music] and that's what we're going to do [Music] now don't wait until you die cuz you can always change your mind
and make it right so why you still waiting outside you're still waiting outside you're still waiting outside [Music] man suzan [ __ ] yeah that's a half bottle of Buffalo drink that was amazing that was amazing God damnn it that was good that's that was no no no no no no you just [ __ ] nailed it you just punched a hole into the next Dimension oh boy you nailed it that's very nice holy [ __ ] than you come on Jamie right no no J's a robot no J was like mhm I have to play golf you I never play drunk that's the truth that was awesome aw I play drunk I'm still sober when awesome um we're almost at 2022 everybody's listening to this be real close to that when this comes out by the time you finish it it'll probably be 2022 cuz this [ __ ] is long as [ __ ] yeah it is it is Jamie I appreciate the [ __ ] out you're the greatest of all time champ he's the greatest there is no greater if it comes to like podcast produc that's the goat oh I know true Capricorn got two goat in one room but he's the goat that's 100% the goat there not a producer that can [ __ ] with Jamie Vernon um I appreciate you very much you're awesome that was amazing that was so good I'd love you too that was so good that was so good I needed to see that I needed to hear that let me me for you when I'm in full form F no no no that was as good as it could ever be Suzanne I'm telling you you're going to watch that you go godamn I nailed that [ __ ] probably not no no Jamie she nailed it right it was great Suzanne it was amazing it was amazing I've seen you perform what 100 times thanks Joe you that was on the money on the money all right love to everybody we're going to get through this [ __ ] bye bye [Music] [Music]