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[Music] it's kind of interesting to watch because he never used to play golf to be fair i have a pretty terrible golf swing though um i don't have much of a backswing yeah i hit the ground most i've done that top golf place but i just whacked the ground it's not good i'm scared of golf that's why when i see jamie like full on completely obsessed six months in i'm like that's what i thought that's what happens to people i don't want that [ __ ] i don't have any time and it's deceivingly expensive is it really well yeah like every time you go out it's you know depending on the course you play it's enter between like 80 and 150 bucks every time you go play and if you suck like i do you're losing you know a dozen golf balls every time a lot of people gamble as well true so if you suck and you ramble and then you drink yeah yeah but well the thing that freaks me out is the the cost of time yeah because it's i mean four hours at least at least jamie what do you do like what's the normal day suck i found out that's why it takes so long [Laughter] what's your longest day the longest is over it's five and a half hours i think that's just the round that doesn't include the you know half an hour to hour warm up and oh see i don't warm up i use the first like six holes as a warm up yeah i've started i kind of like it's a waste time if you can't warm up but i've also played as fast as an hour and 20 minutes how do you how does one warm up for golf like a driving range it kind of it depends on what you need to do but you almost want to have to putt you have to get a couple putts in because that's completely different than driving and hitting hole right and that's half of your shots are going to be putting mm-hmm more than half [ __ ] up so uh you need a couple chips and then you got to get your body warm because like the pro literally the pros go warm up for an hour and a half to two to three hours swinging doing lots of stuff that makes sense like athletically because if you're gonna train jiu jitsu or something like that you have to warm up do you wear them up before you lift oh yeah by the way you're looking extra swole son thanks man i know i was talking to my friends
they're like oh you look huge i'm like no i'm actually less fat that's what it is oh yeah everything's pops out yeah yeah you uh you recovered from surgery huh what did you have done dude i've had a [ __ ] year yeah um so uh just over a year ago i ruptured my tricep on my left arm right um was attempting the log press world record and what is the world record so the show was to attempt the world record um i failed at 485 pounds which would have been a new american record that's when my tricep decided to you know crap out so what did it do like separate from the bone oh no it like my tendon exploded so typically like when a tendon tears it's kind of like a piece of paper throw a couple of stitches in it and then you know anchor it into the bone the doctor first thing he said when i woke up was so when i opened up your arm i literally had to take a step back and rethink everything i was going to do because it was that much worse but didn't he have an mri to go by yeah but like so the mri it showed that it was torn but he didn't know to like what extent and when he got in there he realized that literally he said it looked like a firecracker gone off in my tendon so it took 14 sutures to put my tendon back together into something he could even attach to my elbow and then another four anchors into my elbow that he had to drill in and what was the recovery like i mean i still can't straighten my arm out all the way oh that's about us and i got like this really cute dimple now oh wow that's normal yeah nasty scar are you gonna put like a tattoo on it make it like a snake that's what i'm thinking yeah i mean i think i feel like a snake is too cliche maybe it's a fuse that could be it for your forearm and my bomb ass for him my husband goes you should make it a sperm i was like oh god it's like we could just not do that because like you know there's like no need how many people have [ __ ] sperm tattooed on their body that might be like the least tattooed thing ever it might be yeah i mean i'm gay and i don't even want a sperm tattoo it's probably a girl like sad girls you know
the ones that definitely have daddy issues oh yeah yeah it's just the you know the sublime sun yeah those are sperm like maybe a lot of people have sperm on their body and they might not even know it why does sublime sun have i don't know into the art the artist didn't describe it it's like sperm attacking an egg kind of is what oh so it's not a sun at all yeah yeah correctly yeah yeah that's a mushroom in the middle yeah oh but a skull with the mud there's a lot going on that's a very good picture there it is that's very busy look it's got satan in there that i never looked at the [ __ ] sublime there's a pocket knife in there and that's what the fish fun story you bought it uh the singer bought it for 150 and it's become the most recognizable band merch thing no it's not they're they're selling stones i know well over time overall but uh they sold more merch than nirvana last year like they're number one really yeah i mean at least for 2020. but they have a new lead singer now right that's different it's like a it's almost like a cover band really yeah so so is a sublime cover band with sublime as the band yes how does that work that's confusing but if the but like ac dc did that they had original lead singer and then they swapped out it has to do with the rights of the band and some other things yeah oh because before that even happened there was a cover band literally touring and made more money than the by the band sublime had ever made touring just as a cover band so i think they sort of realized the business we have a thing for romantic stories where like someone dies doing heroin that's for whatever reason that's a romantic one yeah you know i could see that yeah right like bands that like he was one of them yeah let mean think about how many [ __ ] genius banned people uh jim morrison janice joplin hendrix well kirk cobain suicide but heroin probably had a part in that yeah unless you believe the rumors that
courtney cobain had him killed or courtney love there was a whole documentary on that yeah i don't know if i believe it i don't know if i believe it either i watched the documentary i'm still not sold i didn't want to go down that rabbit hole i'm like you guys are leaping to a lot of conclusions but it was one of those documentaries too where they had like uh uh re uh reenactments uh the dramatization i'm not a fan of those no because i'm like that takes you out of the fantasy of it being a documentary in the first place especially when you're talking about a dead guy yeah how do you know what happened there it kind of kills it no pun intended so the thing explodes and what is it when it does explode like what does it look like on your arm does it pull up so yeah there was some there was some recoiling going on and literally like he said there was just like tendon fragments like strewn about fragments yeah literally like a bomb yeah is that just because the weight of the log yeah i mean when you're trying to press 485 pounds overhead and your body says [ __ ] no it just goes what do you weigh about 240 280 280. yeah so that's yeah that's 200 pounds over my body weight yeah yeah that's a lot of weight yeah so the rehab is going well for that um and then like is this you doing it oh yeah this is when it blows out no so this is this is when i actually broke the record so i had already had the american record at this point um and then got the chance so this was like all coveted times so we did like virtual record breakers so he was in lithuania for this oh okay it kind of looks like a white supremacist there though yeah it's gone siege island so yeah that was 475 so much weight now when they do the logs like did they put weight inside the log oh and the ends of the logs yeah yeah so the log itself weighs like i think that weighed like 160 pounds or so and then we had to add 25s and stuff to the end of it to get it to the contest there's something very primal about lifting a [ __ ] log too right i mean that's the sport of strong man right like we lift stones and logs and carry [ __ ] on our
back like that's just what the sport is yeah and so the elbow just totally shut the bed and how long did it take before you could lift again so i was like back in the gym within like two weeks doing lower body stuff but the biggest the hardest part was like getting range of motion back like trying to flex my elbow again because when they did the surgery my arm was bent at 90 degrees so that was a pretty comfortable position but getting it to straighten or getting it to bend all the way was horrible do they anticipate you'll ever get full range of motion it's been a year so so here's the weird thing nobody can figure this out if i'm not if i'm just here try to raise my arm that's as much as i get but if i'm pressing like if i'm bench pressing or overhead pressing i can get to full extension press this cup well i think it might be too light i can't pretend this is where i get hurt but this is where it blows out yeah you'll see that you have the same [ __ ] hitler yeah same dude and there it goes oh jesus christ oh yeah and like you know i'm i'm a certified athletic trainer like have a master's degree in sports medicine so like i legit knew right away what had happened and my husband comes over to me he's like what's wrong i was like i just tore my tricep he's like no you didn't i was like no i totally did oh but you didn't think it was as bad as it was i mean i knew it was torn but like i didn't yeah i didn't think it was explosive to that level now what kind of therapy do you do for something like that once they reattach it what's the rehabilitation like um so i mean i i did a lot of everything a lot of manual therapy because like i produce a lot of scar tissue um like even now like my olecranon like the elbow bone doesn't feel like my right one so when you say you produce a this is my body it naturally produces a lot of scar tissue so that was something we battled actually because i was producing too much scar tissue too early in the rehab process
that was actually hindering the range of motion gains that i was supposed to be getting so a lot of like graston um cupping i was i did like dry needling and acupuncture and one of the one of the first times i went the therapist couldn't get the needle through the scar tissue because it was too thick and the best the way i describe it to people is like even with with me like feeling the needles go in it felt like pushing a needle through like rubber that's how it felt for me too like i felt the stickiness of it do you think that's just because you trained so much so your body's just so used to recovering quickly i think so you must be have you talked to other guys that are strong men do they have like similar situations yeah a lot of us like have had like the scar tissue stuff that goes on and then like i actually bent a few of the acupuncture needles like when they were trying to do them like she pulled them out and was like it was curved i was like oh that's at least i didn't break off it's really interesting how the human body adapts to whatever activity you're doing like a good friend of mine is a doctor and he worked on david goggins and goggins had to come in because goggins they pulled these giant uh syringes filled with fluid out of his knees and he was destroyed but he's still running like 100 miles on it right of course and so the doctor had to trim some of his meniscus and as he's trimming the meniscus he said it bent the [ __ ] blade of the scalpel he said his he goes usually when i cut meniscus he goes i'm not telling water yeah he goes it just goes right through he goes this [ __ ] bent the [ __ ] blade of the scalpel i mean because i've never even experienced meniscus like this all my years of practicing medicine you have to make dave hawkins more badass with this it's 100 true so it's like you have to i just i'm fascinated by the fact that people adapt like the human body is so it's so adaptable so malleable it figures out what requirements of it are and then it just pushes did you ever see
what eddie ezra did no he ran around the entire circumference of the uk and i think he did it in a month so he did like was it like a month was something like a month i think it was like well the first time he did it he's done a couple times 27 and 27 days and that was like way more than that and i'll check yeah so he wasn't in shape at all i mean he he just didn't run he didn't do anything he said i'm just gonna do this and along the way his body starts adapting so they have this documentary they follow him with a crew and he he's destroyed i mean his feet they show us he had one day he had to take off because he literally had to have a rest day because the skin on his feet was peeled off it was all red raw meat and like they were putting like you know gauze on it and tending to the wounds but that [ __ ] savage ran a marathon a day every single day to do this when he wasn't in shape but not in shape yeah that's crazy so 20 days in or whatever days in all of a sudden he's talking and laughing and having fun his body's like oh this crazy [ __ ] has to run every day yeah so he he figured out or his body figured out how to adapt and change and i got to think with someone like you just lifting gigantic [ __ ] all the time like everything must be weird in you like your tendons are probably weird you know it's like if if someone like went over like you like if they had like a class on physiology and they had to like examine the human body and you were dead and they would go well they would be like this is an unusual example let's take a look at this [ __ ] like everything like your joints and your i bet your bones are probably crazy super dense yeah have you ever had them like tested like no i've never had any of that stuff how do they do that i mean i think there is literally a bone density right you should do that that'd be fun because like we were talking about this that you're not large for that strong man no i'm the smallest guy at this level which is funny because you're 280 pounds yeah i know so yeah but like i wonder how much of it is like your skeleton and how much of it is like
the density of the tissue and like how much adaptation actually takes place i mean yeah i mean and i've also been doing this for 12 years now you know i did my first strawberry competition when i was 17. wow you know now turning 30 here in a couple weeks like you know so i've been doing this for a long time so just that like you know literal time under tension over the years definitely has to have an effect that's a young age to do something like that i would imagine that like strong men stuff like you know they talk about like old man strength yeah like as you get older i would imagine that would be a better time yeah i mean you know for me it was just i kind of got in with a crossfit gym honestly that's how i got into strongman and they kind of noticed that you know he's kind of a chubby awkward kid that's not terribly athletic so let's just put him on a barbell see how much you can lift luckily it worked out pretty well for me um but i mean to be fair like i still sucked at strongman when i started too like i did my first competition on about four days notice had never left a single strongman implement in my life got my ass kicked but like loved it because it was so weird and just so different from anything i've ever done yeah the the one that weirds me out the most is when they throw the barrels oh yeah i remember i watched one where the guy got hit he threw the barrel he wasn't paying attention he came back and hit him is that due to live still he is really yeah luckily it was an empty keg it was only a pony k it was like a half cup but i mean ever how much does that weigh i think it's about like 15 to 20 pounds 20 pounds still dropping from 30 feet on your [ __ ] head that's not good there was actually a video that came you know the all these gym fail pages and stuff like that there was one we're doing sandbag tosses now so it's these small sandbags and this girl threw one up in the air and she has her arm raised and she's celebrating and the bag comes down around her head like a necklace and just clotheslines her to the floor god i just luckily she was okay but it
was really funny to watch but i hear that and i see a video like that i just think blown out discs and physical therapy and never being the same again and oh i'm fine but that's she's not funny par for the course yeah so it's a crazy sport are you back to 100 now with that left arm no i would say my left arm is probably 75 80 like i'm closing in on like a 400 pound overhead again you know after a year of rehab and stuff like that but like to be honest like this entire year from the time of this tricep has just been like shitty health-wise for me because about four and a half months ago i got testicular cancer oh [ __ ] yeah so i had to deal with that too what happened there i lost a nut damn yeah my buddy duncan lost a nut um and my buddy tom green it was crazy um you're a [ __ ] young guy 29 like no family history of it like it wasn't even a thought i was actually getting ready for world's strongest man had like a super heavy squat in deadlift session one day and i was wearing like a squat suit and a deadlift suit so like those things are super uncomfortable what is a squat suit it literally is like this a la i say elastic but it's um just a super thick suit that you wear that it pretty much aids in the lift right like like you've ever seen guys wear like a bench shirt you know it's the same thing but for a squat movement and a deadlift movement so like everything gets just jumbled up in there and it's just disgustingly uncomfortable so like the next day i kind of had some like pain in my groin and i was like yeah it's probably just from the session yesterday but it like kind of got more intense it was like shooting up kind of into my abdomen i was like something may be wrong here so i checked it out and the thing is like when people say testicular cancer they're like oh like you'll feel a lump mine felt like legit like a tiny hard string like it was nothing crazy and i was like okay like this is a little weird and we're about three four weeks before world's strongest man
so i'm like okay i have my physical coming up let me get a check then within a week it had grown to like the size of a dime whoa and then they were like yeah okay with that kind of growth we need to get you checked out gets me an ultrasound the week later now it's the size of like a quarter and this is on a two so this i go in on a tuesday for my ultrasound then they're like okay well you you need to go to an oncologist right so i was like okay well like that's like never having cancer or anything like that's probably the weirdest and most emotional phone call to make right like when you're like well [ __ ] i'm 29 i have to schedule an oncology appointment yeah um so i get in for that thursday the doctor comes in i have joey my husband with me he literally walks in puts the paper down he's like okay so you're going to come in on tuesday and we're going to remove your testicle i was like okay zero to 100 real quick what is the explanation for the the speed of the growth because i thought cancer was like a slow progression and you get treated and because there's so much hormonal activity in the testes um you know like testosterone yeah right testosterone is extremely anabolic anabolics make things grow so cancer grow too exactly oh wow um so as your body is recovering and you get all that test flowing through that's actually growing cancer the piggyback effect like yeah is that what's happening pretty much just piggybacking on your testosterone yeah wow a [ __ ] how long before we came to size of a quarter it was another week so this is like two weeks it goes from the size of like a string to the size of a quarter that's insane so it just happens out of nowhere and then from that thursday to the time i go into surgery the by the time they removed everything they measured it and tested the sample it was actually just under the size of a half dollar and that was like another five days
wow so like testicular cancer grows at us it can grow at an insanely high rate dudes all across the world right now are checking their nuts yeah i mean i will say like the coolest thing is like you know i kind of put everything out there on social media um you know between youtube and instagram and stuff like that and the coolest thing was just like i shared my story about it because like i never thought i'd be going through this and just kind of saying like this is what i found this is how i found it you know just dudes check yourself super easy um i had like legit five or six people find out that they had testicular cancer because i was just kind of candid with what i was going through it's pretty common super common and i'm kind of in the sweet spot right like they say like between the ages of like 25 and 40 are where you're most likely gonna get it really yeah that's that's so weird yeah does it have to do with testosterone i think so yeah i think it's just like the growth rate and like you know hormone maturity kind of in that in that age range isn't it weird that there's like certain organs in certain parts of people's bodies that like regularly get cancer like women get regular ovarian cancer is very common or breast cancer very common with dudes it's nut cancer yeah or prostate yeah prostate cancer it's weird how common it is but what's crazy is too what i didn't realize is testicular cancer can actually travel up the lymph nodes into the abdomen and like it could become like colon cancer really quickly right so like that's why they act so fast on it um so like before i even had surgery like i had to get a ct scan like with the dye and everything to make sure there was no metastasis or anything like that luckily there wasn't any now did they give you um any instructions about changing your diet or anything like that no no no because it was stage one okay right so there was pretty much what they told me was a crap shoot that i got it like they didn't really give me a rhyme or reason as to why
i may have gotten cancer yeah so it's just you might get it you might not yeah that's so [ __ ] right yeah because it's like if there was something preventable like you get lung cancer and you smoke cigarettes like hey you kind of know why you got it you know where you got it yeah yeah but nut cancer out of nowhere just kind of yeah just happens wow and so they remove a ball did you put a fake one in no you know so here's the thing with that like one it's kind it's kind of expensive because it's cosmetic right right it does it's not covered by insurance let's just stick a little rubber one in there that's what i well first i didn't even know there are prosthetic nuts they have them for dogs too yeah which is the dumbest [ __ ] but like i'm kind of a smart ass and like i decided to i'm in this moment where i'm in this doctor's appointment and i'm like okay i'm having a nut removed in like four days my husband's sitting behind me i was like okay so he's like so the doctor's like oh like you know let's do an exam do you want him to leave i was like it's nothing he's never seen before so he's fine um and then he's like oh like do you want a prosthetic like it'd be easier to put one in while we're in there i was like didn't know that was an option so he takes them out and shows me some and so he my mind start going i'm like got any of that or like glow in the dark what does a fake nut look like it's like it looks like a silicone it's like a little silicone implant oh like a breast yeah yeah same same kind of clear um they don't have glow in the dark nuts nor do they have bluetooth you wanted a bluetooth nut yeah how cool would that be then bill gates would be sending you messages i'm more thinking of like it's you know we're going to bed and i put like i the tiger on you know like well you can get glow-in-the-dark tattoos you get your nuts tattooed oh true oh that would hurt oh yeah i mean i only have one now so it'd only be a singular nut well you get your fake nut sack like if you want to put one in there but that's the thing after you
take one out like the other one starts centralizing and growing a little bit so i have like a cyclops sack oh interesting how much you should measure it how much bigger is it than normal i didn't get a control measurement prior to the removal that would have been interesting i know interesting data like you found out your sac gained thirty percent how much bigger do you think it is if you had i don't think i've noticed it much as of yet because it's only been about four months they say it takes you know anywhere like probably about a year for me to like notice it kind of it hasn't reached a great form yeah no it's [Laughter] and so it picks up but you talk about joe rogan no my nuts and glow in the dark so it picks up the pace with the yeah so i mean it's pretty much standard it picks up the slack for the lack of the other one yeah so my friend duncan got his wife pregnant after yeah he had yeah yeah everything's fine so your test levels basically stay the same yeah oh you know now it's just like going through um you know so luckily i didn't have to do chemo radiation or anything like that because it was stage one so now it's just um like we're doing what's called active monitoring so i get why can't they just take the piece of the nut that's [ __ ] because it's it's one organ so they they just have to take everything out and they don't even biopsy it right like so if you have a growth on your nut they're just gonna go and take it out really yeah because the attempt to biopsy it from what i understand it damages the testicle if you attempt to biopsy it so if you take a chunk out of your nut yeah and what's weird is when they take it out they don't go through your sack they actually go it's like a hernia surgery they go through like your pant line and then go down oh why yeah um because all the like organs and things that come with it have to come out so like the epididymis like um they have to take the lymph nodes associated with that testy all that stuff has to come out as well okay so you don't just lose the testicle
no all the cargo yeah did they put that on a plate so you can get a look at it after it's over no i didn't get to see any of it i would have liked to look at that i mean that's what i was saying i was like can i get the nut back maybe a necklace or something yeah formaldehyde have it on your jar next to your office or something you know it's like was yours yeah yeah well now it's theirs so um the test levels stay the same yep and you've no noticeable difference in like the way you feel or anything no your underwear fit a little different yeah i mean i will say like it was a big like psychological moment for me to actually like feel it again like actually put like my hand on myself again like because i've lived 29 years with two of them i only have one it's like honestly it took me about like a week and a half to two weeks to like actually be okay with that have you thought about going back and putting a fake one in there i don't want to go through the surgery again my husband's fine with it seems like yeah i mean like who wouldn't be yeah like why would you even want a fake nut that's the thing it's like it's just for sure yeah fake boobs don't bother guys but i think a fake nut would bother people it's difficult yeah it's like a fake sex organ it's not just yeah aesthetic it's it serves no purpose yeah it's a it's an odd thing to think that your body turns on you like that yes it sucks does it make you think about the rest of your body like like checking i mean i i take care of myself and like i i will say you've got cancer that's what's crazy i do feel curious i feel pretty good that like you know we had the ct scan and nothing else came came up you know so we knew it was just stage one and i didn't have to do chemo or anything like that so now i just have to do regular like i have a schedule that i have to follow of ct scans and blood work um to make sure nothing comes up and it has nothing to do with diet nothing to do with anything no that's what's crazy they say that and i don't know if this
is accurate but they say that ketogenic diets are very good for preventing cancer because there's something about cancer needing glucose to grow whereas ketones the cancer doesn't grow on ketones but your body can function better i yeah i mean it makes sense you know like you think fat grows with glucose so why wouldn't something else that's a little bit more anabolic yeah so it makes sense physiologically yeah i like carbs well i could imagine yeah when you do that kind of i mean is there anybody that tries to follow a keto diet that does power lifting or strongman type stuff like you i mean like you have like mark and chris bell they do like the carnivores yeah but they take carbs i i see those guys they're always eating apples and [ __ ] because yeah eats a lot of fruit yeah you know but they're not doing they're just doing it for aesthetics they just look good you know they lift weights and you're involved in like serious competition with other gorillas that are trying to pick up too much heavy [ __ ] gorillas yeah i would imagine like carbs are almost necessary yeah yeah i mean they're they're a staple in like every meal what is your standard diet like a standard plate for you what do you eat typically like anywhere between one to two cups of rice depending on the time of day and where my training is at um eight to town eight to ten ounces of meat um and then some veggies yeah robert ober said that he's basically rice and meat yeah that's the primary is that most strong men it's like it's the easiest way to get the calories and the nutrients in right and then like fortunately you know because of what we do in the energy expenditure and like the time our workouts take like we usually get most guys get a couple of cheat meals a week that's why we don't look like bodybuilders right like we eat relatively clean but in order to keep up with what we're doing you know i mean [ __ ] sometimes my workouts take like six hours that i'm at the gym jesus christ you know so it's like if i'm there like sorry like a plate of
chicken and rice isn't gonna do it for me after right no i can only imagine and i i don't think it'd be bad for you guys to have body fat either probably help yeah absolutely i mean you don't want anything that reduces your ability to put out strength and that there's nothing about having low body fat that makes you stronger no i mean that's the thing is like at the end of the day we have to be able to perform yeah when we're competing right and like nothing against bodybuilders but the performance is aesthetic based yeah right like you're standing you're posing granted like i could never do what they do mainly because i don't want to yeah but you could do it i could i just don't want to um but like what we do is like we have to be on the stage like lifting crazy [ __ ] carrying it throwing it you know like there's there's you know a certain level of athleticism and performance that we have to achieve to win yeah bodybuilding is one of the weirdest sports because when you're seeing them and they're posing they're on death's door oh yeah those guys are like literally ready to die their kidneys are ready to fail and people look at them as like the epitome of health they're so dehydrated when you see them like that that's why they're so shredded if you ever backstage at those events like they're cramping their feet are all cramped up like they can't walk correctly it's insane i mean i respect the [ __ ] out of them it's hard hard work it's a difficult thing to do and it's uh insane discipline i mean insane to to i mean yeah they're on a [ __ ] ton of steroids but listen the steroids don't make you that big oh god that's like that's like the big misconception like oh they're just on steroids like all steroids do is help you recover that's the thing if you take steroids and you just sit on your ass you're going to get fat yeah right like the the the anabolics have to feed something and if you're not training it's not going to your muscle so you're just going to get fat doing it you'd probably get a little stronger yeah i mean getting up and off off the couch every once in a while you're gonna
gain some muscle i guess but i just feel like your body with all those hormones would probably just get a little stronger yeah but you're not gonna get big like those guys you're not gonna look like ronnie coleman no you know big rammy right now yeah he just looks insane those guys are so preposterous when you see him in real life 300 pounds stepping on stage at like three percent body fat that doesn't make sense to me it's interesting too right because it's like an anatomy class when you're looking at all their tissue and everything it's like you could see where everything connects you actually see the striations of the muscles yeah it's insane it's very strange but people have associated that with like health and vitality to look like that but meanwhile there's a story about a new bodybuilder dying every single week don't they usually die from the diuretics that's usually it and some of them from pain pills yeah because they're you know in agony a lot well yeah i mean they're taking you know lasiks and stuff like that to get so shredded and lean to step on stage like by the way that's not the eye surgery kids no no imagine they're getting nice i heard it on the joe rogan experience they take eye surgery they get to lose weight see that's the [ __ ] you think about that you know coming out of my mouth i'm like oh yeah lasik yeah not lasik eye surgery yeah it's some kind of diuretic right yeah it's uh it's very very different like if you want to see what a real strong person looks like they all kind of look like you or like first you know what i'm saying like they're all like thick yeah yeah big thick you know you never like shredded there oh my god that's ray williams look at the size of that guy 200 or uh 24 body fat when they tested him oh that makes sense at 400 pounds yeah and he's squatting a thousand pounds raw right there wait oh my god that is so cra he has 300 pounds of fat free mass that's crazy yeah so he has 100 pounds of fat on his body 30 kilograms more than the most they'd ever studied wow jesus [Laughter]
is a very muscular dude well that's a thing right if you're going to study someone you know and you want to find like real freaks like the world's strongest man those strongman competitions are the that's some of the freakiest humans alive right yeah i mean what we do doesn't make sense and i do it you know like at world's strongest man in 2019 we had to pull two monster trucks because one was too light like come on like personally that pissed me off because i suck at that event dude yeah and it was a slight incline is that a weight event like where it helps to be like a 400 pound guy absolute 280 pound guy with that event mass moves mass yeah right like yeah so in that year i had thor in my group the dude weighed 4 30 4 40 when we were competing against each other but he's pretty light now isn't he yeah he's i think about 3 30. he's actually right down the street oh really he's at the honor gym he put up his uh thor's uh instagram i knew he was in uh i knew he was here lately um i know rain had them in la and stuff like that he might even be here this weekend i don't know i think he's here right now because he he was at on at gym and he put up video of him hitting the pads and i have to say like he's doing everything right it looks solid he looks really but it's interesting because he's learning how to box because he's having these boxing matches but the way he's doing it is very intelligent like he's not just like gritting his teeth and throwing his arms his heart fart and using all his his physical muscle power he's learning how to do it correctly and everything is like real smooth and polished when you're when you're fighting like you do have to be pretty relaxed yeah you're doing it you have to be able to generate force quickly but you also have to be supple you have to you have to be relaxed because if you're relaxed you actually can move faster when you really tense up and wind up you lose a lot of your ability to close the distance quick it's got to be like efficient yeah and the way you get efficient is by repetition with proper technique and learning how to you know hit paths with proper technique and you know when i first saw him doing that i was like oh
my god imagine going from being a strong man and being the mountain on game of thrones to trying to box like this is so awkward but not anymore man when you see him did you find it i don't see it oh maybe it's in the on it jim i was looking i switched to that and i wasn't seeing it there either god did maybe this one recently yeah today maybe it's one of the trainers i follow that posted it but uh [ __ ] i i really think it was him [ __ ] i mean i know he's in the states right now because he was just in l.a he's in a week ago he's in austin um well let's see that that right there see right that right there that's not at the honor gym that's just him yeah he's lost training about a hundred pounds yeah he looks great yeah no he looks awesome it's crazy it's like a totally different kind of human now you know big time now he looks like a big athlete i wonder what his like long-term goals are in that r i don't know there's a lot of money in like freak boxing matches i know you know it's crazy if you get like logan paul to box the mountain oh yeah oh yeah yeah he just he yeah he won but he's been fighting for a long time now yeah ever since he stepped out of world's strongest man he went into the mma this is interesting pretty quick watch this boom yeah crazy and the guy who fought is a giant too yeah crazy but pujanowski's been fighting in mma for a long time he fought tim sylvia who was the former ufc heavyweight champion and that was a crazy stupid fight like you guys was that good no no you got his ass kicked but i mean like of course he got his ass kicked yeah he's literally fighting a former world champion and he's just a really strong guy learning how to fight exactly and he was a guy like when he first started fighting he could see like he'd hit pads and be like it would be all arms just neanderthal yeah but now he's like throwing his shoulders in and moving his hips he's becoming he's got he's still big as [ __ ] but he's like he's lost some weight i
feel like none of us strong men are ever gonna be small right for the rest when you get to this level like i think you're just like you know i look at my life and i'm like yeah probably the lightest it'll ever be is like 230 to 240. people are always coming to you to open the mayonnaise jar always 100 yeah yeah you're probably always keep i mean you only lose so much of it you're not gonna ever be like a marathon runner i nor do i want to be right yeah how long do you think you're gonna do this for i don't know man um you know it's interesting you know i i message you a little bit about like the stuff that my where my career is going right like because we talked about you know how strong man you know world strongest man should be a millionaire a title it should be you know and like we're we're kind of working towards that so like super i'm actually like this is the first time i'm talking about it so i actually now am the ceo and part owner of strongman corporation oh so it's how does that happen uh like three days ago really yeah yeah congratulations we've been working on it for a little while uh my business partner and i have kind of been we kind of put our heads together and you know honestly like taking what you were saying and like how do we build this sport to something bigger and we decided to kind of start from the grassroots right so strongman corporation it's the largest amateur and professional organization in the world for strong man like just over 12 around 12 000 members worldwide wow um so yeah so as a three days ago now i'm at the helm with it dude that's [ __ ] badass listen man it is an entertaining thing to watch the strongest [ __ ] humans in the world the idea absolutely that that's not a big thing but golf is sorry jamie but do people watch golf on tv because i don't play golf so i don't watch golf right the people that watch golf all play golf but everybody will watch some [ __ ] gorilla try to throw a barrel over the top of a a pole vault beam yeah you know like that it's just it's a
spectacle right and i think one of the things that we're that's what we're going to be trying to change i think it's like people see strong man as something that's so unattainable um and like kind of the the analogy that my business partner used it's something i never thought of it's like i think strong man for a long time and the reason hasn't really grown is because people have tried to normalize it and it's not normal right like you're not going to sit back and watch the nba duck contest to try to get ideas of dunks you want to try in your backyard right right like you watch these guys to do crazy [ __ ] that is just out of this world cool like log presses exactly right like that's what strong man should be like you know we should be looking at these people as superhuman freaks you know there's magnus for magnuson yeah that's one of my favorites the carpool yeah so that's that's an event the hercules hold and instead of just doing two pillars they put two cars on ramps and it's like you know we're gonna take the brakes off just hold them together yeah the cars are rolling back and he's holding it as much as possible do you want to see a [ __ ] insanely strong person you know that girl we've showed her on the podcast before that really tiny girl stephanie millinger she's really tiny and she's an incredible like contortionist and her balance is insane and she hangs off the side of cliffs and stuff and does like one hand presses like literally her feet dangling off cliffs that's stupid so this is her she's insanely strong though too i love the cat on the floor in front of her yeah i just yeah this is a normal day i know that cat is so used to her doing freaky [ __ ] meanwhile she's so confident because she could kill that [ __ ] cat right that is wild i know what she's doing folks the people listening she's got these uh like dip bars like individual bars but she's balancing them on their edges and then she does a press oh the cat was underneath the dip bar oh my god so she literally could have killed a cat that's a lot of cat lovers gonna be mad like this is the kind of [ __ ] she does
like doing a handstand first off you have to have the balls to walk out to that point on the cliff yeah right like i couldn't even stand there let alone go up on my hands my hands get sweaty watching these things i do i have a weird thing where can i see like heights my hands get super sweaty i think it's in mark bell's page go to mark bell's page it's either mark or chris it might be go to big strong fast i think it's yeah i think it's i'm pretty sure it's chris bell and then you see her nope go to mark uh you see her uh doing this with all these weights like so she's do that's it right there i just saw this today [ __ ] she's so tiny man so look at her hanging from this bar with one two three four five 45 pound plates no six seven what seven of them seven she's got two behind her she's got seven 45 pound plates and she's tiny man i just love somebody what the [ __ ] was the point of this oh my god she's getting another one oh why not look at this and then look at look how [ __ ] strong her hands are that's crazy yeah i mean she's flipping these 45-pound plates and getting it in a split squeeze you're right they might not be 45. i think they're tens no i think so yeah i think those look like rubber but i mean still that's an extra 70 pounds on top of her which when you think like percentage of body weight how much does she probably weigh 120 130 pounds i don't even think she's that big you know and you're adding 70 pounds to your body weight that's a huge percentage she's hanging with her hands that's incredible my grip strength is not even that good yeah i think you might be right those might because i have those soreness system in my house yeah and they have the big rubber plates that are tens and they look super impressive but they're really only 10 pounds was it does it say anything james i didn't get i thought i saw 25 on one but it's hard to see yeah see when i see plates like that from old school gym days i assume they're 45s one could hope one could help and dream imagine what an animal should be that would be crazy she had that much weight that'd be insane so even if she has even if they're five pounds it's still crazy impressive yeah it's her hand strength
that's so nuts because ridiculous at one point in time she's hanging from one hand yeah which is while doing this between the two the two uprights of the rack it's hard to do just holding your hand can you see it like yeah zoom in on that i think we'll need to see the other can is there a picture of the other side because usually the weight is only on one side the number yeah the number's on one side of the plate there oh [ __ ] it's crazy like she doesn't have that on her page because that's like one of the most impressive [ __ ] things about that's crazy yeah but she's a real freak that's insane yeah i mean that's if you take like peak human performance with you know that that kind of flexibility and balance and take it because she does it like with these really like life risking moves like hanging over cliffs yeah i mean i just lift heavy [ __ ] i'm not going like up a mountain to do it so when will you be back like fully do they and when do they anticipate that you'll be back like um i mean it's just gonna be here it's been a year i my personal timeline is i think probably like another year really yeah wow you got any stem cells shot into there no i haven't done stem cells i haven't done prp i don't want to um if i had the opportunity but like life's kind of busy right now like i'm back to work in a full-time job while doing strong man and doing all that stuff so what are you doing as a full-time job uh so i'm an athletic trainer at a high school oh no kids yeah back in western mass so when did you start doing that again um i jumped back into it so last time when i was on you know like i was just doing strong man and what i realized is i became a lazy strong man right like when you have all day and your only job is really to train and run an instagram page it's pretty easy to become unmotivated is that real it was for me like for me i'd be like you know i'd wake up like my husband would go off to work and be like all right like i'll go to gym around 11 and like a workout that should only take me two
hours took me like four because i was bullshitting a lot of the time sounds like heaven i mean yeah but like [ __ ] why did you get a job [ __ ] you doing man you were living the dream no but like my performance was decreasing as well really yeah like i wasn't i wasn't i just wasn't able to do it so a job helps your performance yeah because i'm i'm more structured in my day right like so now i'm an athletic trainer to high school so i know i don't go in like my schedule's pretty nice like i go in at like noon and most of the days work until about 5 30 but on game night sometimes i work until nine um and i'll get my training in either in the morning or in the evening but it's like i know i only have a certain amount of time to do it so i need to make the most of that time and maximize my workout that's fascinating so you needed some sort of obligations in order you to sort of structure your discipline is that fair to say yeah and i think like that's just always how i've lived you know like even when i was in college and in grad school and stuff like that it was like i was always a go-go-go type of person like i never had down time per se so i guess for me like i honestly just didn't know what to do with it were you on instagram all day a lot of the day that's the problem yeah 100 i bet if you got a flip phone and you just had an open day you would get [ __ ] done well that's the problem ever since i was on your show i got more sponsors which means more instagram obligation so i have to be on there more often just wait now you're gonna be coming in even hotter and faster that's fine i'll take it so do you uh do you find any restrictions because of the job that bother you like time-wise where it gets in the way no like as long as i plan it's fine you know like i look at my game schedule for the week of the games that i have to cover and and practices and stuff like that um and just kind of plan backwards around that and i'm good is there any benefit in helping people and training people because when i was
doing taekwondo one of the things that i noticed is that i got a lot better when i was teaching yeah so so i guess like there's a conversation misconception is like as an athletic trainer i'm like i'm a healthcare professional right like so i'm the guy that goes out onto the field when somebody gets hurt oh that's what i do okay so you're not like i'm not a coach yeah no i'm not like a personal trainer yeah so um so i do sports rehab in the afternoon i cover practices taping bracing concussion evaluations why don't they use you for like strength and conditioning work i would imagine there's no time you know like you based based on the time that we have you know the kids are in school during the day and then the afternoon is all sports practices and stuff like that and i have to be out there you know like i said at football practice in case somebody gets hurt which most of the time somebody does and i have to take care of it so when those kids have like say football teams when those kids have a practice they just basically have a practice a day do they have any weight room sessions um not at the school that i'm at no and selfishly i don't want that to be the case because i don't want to be at work quit your job man you had the dream what the [ __ ] are you doing you had the dream well and now now part of the problem is you know [ __ ] man i had cancer so that shit's expensive oh like even with health insurance cancer cost me like over 12 grand really and now i'm gonna be meeting my deductible at least every year because i have to get for the so my schedule for my cancer like um monitoring i have to get a ct scan and blood work every three months for two years and then it's every six months for another two years and then once a year on year five the whole insurance thing drives me [ __ ] crazy you're telling me i feel like if you have insurance and then you get sick the insurance is supposed to pay for it it's such a weird concept like even deductibles it's like uh we want to make more money than we make so you have to pay some like why am i
paying you yeah i pay you know i pay i think it's like i think for my husband and i it's like 400 bucks a month ninety percent of time i don't use that [ __ ] right so all that money just goes to them goes to them and then oh now you are sick but you have to pay another four grand before we even kick in anything towards you you know so it's like i'm paying 400 bucks a month for for my health insurance now i have to pay another four grand guaranteed every year now for the next few years because of how expensive blood work and ct scans are and how often i have to take them it's so [ __ ] yeah because it's like something like the whole insurance scam is so interesting because it's like you're you're paying a company in case [ __ ] goes wrong but then you have to pay them when it does go wrong yeah it should be like fully covered but then i don't know i don't i don't i'm the worst finance person on the face of the earth don't come to me with any of these questions but that [ __ ] drives me nuts and i remember when um you know they were talking about uh insurance in california like when the fires went down like how many insurance companies just went under and just were [ __ ] because they didn't really have the money to pay for all the houses that they insured my mind like what are you talking where does it go but wait a minute you insured the house but we insured a lot of houses we didn't anticipate a fire of this magnitude okay but you did insure all those houses for [ __ ] fire yeah how do you not have that money you gave the policies so somebody told me that's the case with banks too that you know you have all your money in a bank but if everybody pulled their money out of the bank the bank would be [ __ ] it's sort of like a big old ponzi scheme yeah they wouldn't be able to pay everybody if they pulled all their money out what the [ __ ] does that mean where's the money it's like that was that guy bernie madoff right that was that's how he got [ __ ] yeah he got [ __ ] well he got [ __ ] because he was a criminal but during the 2008 uh recession that's when everybody started saying hey i'm going to need that money we lost our job blah blah blah and then
he's like there is no money i don't got it i'm in the middle of this podcast about elizabeth holmes who is the the lady who uh ran theranos do you know what that is no that was that fake blood test company yes and she she hoodwinked like really big people she hoodwinked the guy the head of uh fox what's his name the old dude the ran fox rupert murdoch she got him for like a hundred million she got uh betsy devos for 100 million i mean i love that what's going on here jeremy these [ __ ] pop-ups yeah betsy devos was misled by thorena's founder before investing a hundred million so i'm listening to this podcast it's really good it's called the dropout and um it she cuz she dropped out of college i guess they call it to drop out because of that i don't know why it seems but it's uh all about how much they scammed and all about you know how many people dumped money into this thing and then at one point in time she was worth somewhere in the neighborhood of like nine billion dollars damn she was the most wealthy self-made woman in history and it was all fake because most most of these broads get that [ __ ] from divorce i don't know if you know that yeah it's pretty hilarious if you look at like the sorry i said broads ladies but if you look at the like women the rich women or whatever you know with the why whatever you want whatever you say i'm whatever you want but um if you look at like the wealthiest women the vast majority of them got it from divorce but not this lady she got it from theft hey that's one way to make your money criminal enterprise i heard on the radio there was actually this woman that she ran a coupon scheme i did hear about that she learned how to like manipulate the bar code so when people scanned them the money would get deposited in her bank account so she ended up making like 38.1 million dollars off of this there's a movie coming out or just came out about it i think about her with the coupons like queen pins is she in jail now yeah i think she got like 12 years or something like that these people got to
know when to bail you know yeah don't don't wait till you get 38 million leave at 30. do we have to give me five i'm cool with that do we have five million let's get the [ __ ] out of here yeah they're gonna catch on we can kind of lay low well i mean i've never had 5 million but you might be able to kind of lay low with 5 million dollars depends on how you live true if you you want to live like kanye west i don't think it's going to work no if you want to be a baller i could see you with a big fur coat showing up at the uh i mean i mean i'm pretty bougie but that's the next level i mean no i'm not really that bushy you should go hunt a grizzly bear kill it eat it and then use its fur to make a coat that'd be a pretty epic story bro come on and that's your comeback coat like wear that i'd be pretty bad ass to have a comeback coat in the first place yes you need a comeback coat i like that an actual grill hunting i do let's go to alaska all right shoot one of them giant kodiaq bears because that's you we're gonna need a big one for you we're gonna be a real bear all right you know like could you think about like a full-length down-to-the-ground grizzly coat i mean with the mohawk it looked pretty epic yeah dude and one of them cloud machines as you walk through the curtain you know one of things they have those smoke machines coming in the music playing if we need a director of production i'll hire you for strongman corporation now i'm thinking about it now i'm thinking about maybe i need another job too maybe that's what's wrong with me i like it the idea of needing a job to have discipline is kind of interesting but i have heard that before i remember i was reading about um these guys that were doing uh strongman type [ __ ] and powerlifting [ __ ] and uh it was in this article and this guy was giving advice about how to get into it and one of the things that he said is get a job that where requires you to do manual labor yeah i mean there's a lot of guys like one of my previous coaches um derek poundstone he like was a mason for years before a cop yeah right and that just like builds up stupid kind of grip and
forearm strength and just you know like some of the strongest people that i know like there was actually a guy mike burke um who was a pro strong man i think he was able to carry i think he was like six two by fours in one hand at a time and he was like he was a construction worker like building houses and like he'd be able to go up a ladder with like six two by fours and a hand that's just like insane like it's just crazy how does that even fit i don't i think his hands were like 11 and a half inches or 11 inches something like that yeah um masons those those guys are always strong as [ __ ] uh people like i had one summer where i had to work i did construction and i um worked on a wheelchair ramp but at nights at columbus hall and the entire time i worked there all we did was carry bags of cement and pressure treated lumber oh and i i quit after a couple months but i remember it it was a huge lesson to me first of all that i never want a job like that yep and that people do get jobs like that and they stick with them for life that's crazy yeah crazy but also that like time is precious and the time that i spent doing that all day at the end of the day i was so exhausted that i would go to train and when i go to train i had nothing yeah i had nothing in the tank i remember like hitting the bag and just like i just couldn't generate any energy i just had no power pre-workout's not going to do [ __ ] for you there was no pre-workouts back then either this is back in the day i'm old this is in the 80s nobody had pre-workouts it was just you just worked out just d-ball yeah i mean some guys drank coffee i guess that was like your pre-workout maybe i just wasn't in the bodybuilding scene maybe those guys did didn't they use poppers didn't guys like crack nitrates and [ __ ] under their nose oh smelling salt yeah the ammonia yeah what is what is it about smelling salts that get you uh ramped up i mean crack them under their nose right yeah yeah it hurts uh yeah so i think i think it just like initiates this like fight or flight is that legal before tournaments oh yeah i
gotta do it i should have brought some man i kind of tried it yeah i got one that's literally called hellfire wait a minute so they have brands of smelling sauce there's entire companies that just make smelling salts just for lifting yeah this company that i work with jamie order up some smelling salts we're going to do this because we're putting in a gym next door do you want like legit like hardcore [ __ ] i'm not going so do you know the guy juji mufu um yes right like i know because of derek from more plates more dates he had him uh featured in a video so gigantic judy deceivingly right he's only about not on the juice i think he's on like five eight yeah but he's he's shredded he just did his first bodybuilding show he did the olympia amateur bodybuilding show but they were trying to say he's not on the juice like how's that i don't know how's that possible i don't know if it is how's that but this dude he has um yeah that's him very unlikely that that guy's not on the sauce right but he's awesome and he um at worlds in 2019 he came up to me and he had just started the smelling salt company called ah literally that's all it's called and he comes with me he's like hey rob smell this and like a stereotypical dude without even thinking i do and he put it into my nose and i took a whiff dude i'm not kidding i threw up i thought my nostrils were bleeding i was crying for at least five minutes because of how bad it hurt really that shit's good yeah is it dangerous no but if it makes your nostrils burn like what's going on i mean i think it could be fair it is a chemical reaction that's occurring in the bottle that you're inhaling so it can't be amazing it's literally like so like they have the little ammonia caps that like paramedics will use to wake up somebody when they're unconscious this is like what we use is that but like amplified by 10. is it just okay because you only use it rarely yeah like i you you're doing that all day long just oh yeah i'd [ __ ] yeah he's got a custom salt called woke whoa
custom scented smelling salt what is in there it doesn't say i was trying to look at it it's just a bunch of like literature and it doesn't say what's in it how the [ __ ] can you have something like that and not tell people what's in it you know joe i don't think these things are fda approved no well guess what what is fda approved but [ __ ] that's terrible for you true i mean is it an oxycontin yeah that's that's the one that i smelt yeah most raw materials oh okay what does that mean the [ __ ] does that mean the most sophisticated formula it's just raw material it's just like he wrote all that right but yeah it's it's legit it so what do you do you just squirt it and just take it no longer because that's a bottle you open up the bottle and hold it about eight inches away from your face and it'll get you that far oh yeah man take me order that [ __ ] right now please what's the best [ __ ] to order the hellfire or his [ __ ] that's probably the strongest i've used like that i don't use it because it's actually too strong oh yeah order that like the hellfire stuff is like just enough to like really get me going and like be like okay yeah that sucked but let's let's pick up something heavy yeah i want my first experience with smelling so [ __ ] awful i want i'm gonna film it too i'll put it on instagram absolutely so i'll find out if i throw up as well yeah but like that thing is like he put it like in my nose and i took a whiff i'm excited to do this oh i'm excited to make a video yeah no it's terrible yeah fabulous at the same time so the idea is you smell it and then why does it make you stronger like what does because it just like it amplifies everything like it's it's pain right so like you've fought like when you're when you're in pain and you're innocent like it kind of just elicits this response like you have to do something like a fight exactly right so like if you're fighting and you're you know in an arm bar or something hurts like you're gonna do whatever it takes to get out of that position so is that why dudes like slap their chest exactly there's um have you
ever seen this bench presser scott mendelsohn no oh dude he legit goes on to stage and has his wife smack the [ __ ] out of him before he benches like she'll just stand there and just wail on his face before he goes like four or five times and then he lays down and bench presses 700 pounds clay guida and his brother clay guido fought in the ufc still fights in ufc but he's fought in the ufc for a long time and his brother uh would bring him up to the cage and then right before he would go into the cage his brother would smack him in the face like a bunch of times like one two three four so here's the guy yeah oh is that a bench suit is that why yeah so that's that's the bent shirt and then his wife is gonna come up and she's there's the ammonia smelling salts and then here we go just oh my god literally smacking the [ __ ] out of him she seems to enjoy that she's like you [ __ ] you left the seat up you didn't do the laundry [Laughter] yeah yeah so that gets them hyped up even more i wonder if they've done like controls where they've had you know i think it's different for everybody right like i've had somebody like come and like double hand trap slap me right before i deadlift i'm like nah man that just [ __ ] hurt i'm not into it now but i see people drinking whiskey is that different i know it's the same thing but how does that work i don't know like to be honest like i don't really drink so at all no not into it just not a thing for me i just get stoned instead that's better yeah way better and that's not good for lifting no that's why i do it at night but it is good for lifting i mean it wouldn't be good for lifting like the heaviest weight but i do like to get high and lift so there's a lot of bodybuilders that'll like take sativa prior to working out like just a little dose um because like it does help that like mind muscle connection like guys feel like they can focus a lot more on what they're doing in the gym for me like yeah it would just [ __ ] me up too much man if i'm like trying to deadlift night you're doing gorilla [ __ ] yeah it's different kind of [ __ ] but i i
love it when i uh hit the bag i like to smoke yeah and hit the bag yes i feel like my technique is better like i'm i'm more in a way my timing yeah my movement is better and when i'm lifting i feel like i can feel all the muscles you could feel everything yeah you know you feel all the fibers you feel when you're doing things wrong yeah and that's that's exactly what i'm saying like that's why a lot of like really good bodybuilders will get a little stoned before they go train because they can focus better do you ever do yoga i don't i dude i'm like probably the most immobile piece of [ __ ] there is it's like my husband gets on me all the time like i have negative ankle range of motion like i can't even get my ankle to neutral but this is not a problem for what you do like no i'm functionally mobile in my sport in your sport sport doesn't require mobility just requires gur yeah i mean there's there's some level of mobility you know to be able to like reach down to the ground and pick up an atlas stone right you know or get to triple extension while throwing a bag and stuff like that is there any benefit to being more flexible than you are um yes and no right like i think it would take some time to get strong in those new ranges of motion that may it would probably be a detriment to where i'm at in my career right now because it would take away from the time you use for other stuff exactly like there's some guys like martinez lisi's who is crazy mobile can just like squat below parallel no problem just have no issues whatsoever but he's like worked in those range of motions for years right and he has the strength at those end ranges whereas like i just don't and getting to the point where i can hit those you know those ranges of motion and stay strong i think would take away from where i'm at right now that makes sense there's only so much time in a day and the resources that you would use to recover from all that kind of stuff you could be using to recover from the power lifting moves yeah i mean
it would take away from my training right like devoting an hour to mobility a day like that's an hour's a long time right like so to be able to do that while working while training and like the gym i go to is 45 minutes away from my house so it's not like i'm close right so do you have any weightlifting [ __ ] at your house yeah i do actually like two weeks ago picked up a sponsor that like the rep fitness they um they picked me up and they sent me like an entire home gym oh nice so like i have that yeah so i have a full power rack weights like dumbbells up to 150 like ghd stuff like that that changes everything yeah it's gonna be really nice to be able to come home and like just hit like my squat session or bench workout and stuff like that when i'm at home and not have to spend almost another two hours in the car that day yeah um i was talking about soaring like um i'm wearing a sore neck shark yeah it's a sponsored show not really but uh he's my friend but uh they um they set up this gym at my house and like if i know that i have to leave in an hour i can just run into the gym get 45 minutes in full tilt you know shower up and i'm good yeah it's like that's giant because otherwise it would i just it just wouldn't get done because i wouldn't have the time to get to the gym having something at home i mean you don't need a gym you know have a [ __ ] kettlebells or some some free weights something i mean you could torture yourself with you know a set of like 25 pound well yeah or a 25-pound medicine ball yeah do some wild [ __ ] yes so i'm excited i'm excited to have that stuff in my house now where i can like go down and just like crush some [ __ ] and you know just have to walk upstairs to shower now yeah that's a giant investment if anybody wants to like to really invest in your health just get some equipment get a chin up bar yeah just chin up bar and a power rack you know just and the nice thing is like so like rep they have like a 1 000 like at home gym kit where you get like a rack i think you get like 400 pounds of plate to get a barbell oh nice you know so like you
get the basics like 400 pounds for most people is going to be more than enough yeah um you know so to be able to like do that it's great yeah well what i went the reason why i brought up yoga is yoga is my absolute favorite thing to do high smoking pot and going to yoga i could probably get down with that my god dude it's like a life-changing experience because as you're doing these poses it's like you're feeling your tissue stretch out and then yeah yeah i do the hot yoga too so you have to like deal with your [ __ ] because you're you know you want to quit now were you like a sativa guy indica hybrid where do you fall i'm i like sativas but i like indicus too but the thing about indicas is sometimes you can go too far and then you just yeah you just sit down yeah you're stuck and then you're like i can't go anywhere yep yeah some people say it's [ __ ] some people say that the idea of the differences between the two pots are it's it's nonsense i i feel like i feel a difference yeah like with me like i definitely like i smoke at night and i definitely feel like maybe it's just because it is at night but like i definitely feel like more demotivated i guess like when i smoke an indica where i'm just like all right i'm just gonna chill and not move my ass off the couch now are you an edibles guy can be yeah depends on depends on what time i have to wake up in the morning because sometimes like they kind of [ __ ] me up the next day too we're going yeah man but like you're not high you're just groggy as [ __ ] like so like it all depends that's sometimes like that's a weekend thing for me so um what about recovery methods do you do ice baths do you do cryotherapy do you do sauna i'm a sauna guy um oh yeah man i'm a giant fan i do that every day yeah pretty much yeah um and then you know like some light cardio like i have some assault equipment at home like i'll just get on the bike and ride for like 20 minutes or just the treadmill or something like that and um then i have like the the normatec like compression boots that i use i have those too i they're
those are cool you know hyper ice the company that makes it they make a lot of great [ __ ] they really do they make those uh massage balls that vibrate yeah dude those are game changers because they really shake yeah no i i'd love they sent us a whole uh rack out there with you know the handheld massagers and the rollers that massage yeah that's big yeah and then like i try to get like regular bodywork done as often as possible right like deep tissue like fascial stretch therapy stuff like that no for someone to do that to you that has to be a [ __ ] event it's it's a chore like what kind of person do you get that does a deep tissue so the guy that's strong the guy that works on me he's been a buddy of mine for a long time he actually works for the new york rangers oh there you go so but he's like full on full body sweat by the end of it just like dripping just like it's yeah it's it's a session but those dudes that that's a workout in and of itself right those dudes must get strong as [ __ ] just from doing that oh yeah because you gotta imagine like all that moving with your hand but their hands are strong as [ __ ] right oh dude like i like you know even like me just like working on somebody like five minutes and i'm like all right my thumbs are good i'm i'm out yeah even like i have something going on with my neck right now and i massage my own neck with my thumbs i get in there with my thumb and i'm only good for like a couple of minutes yeah yeah that kind of uh like super hard deep tissue massage or you know like rolfing that kind of stuff that that has a big effect huge huge i love it like it's i dread it every time going into the session because i know what i'm getting myself into but it is like on the other end of it it's just so helpful how often do you do that um up until recently it was about like once a week and it was like i'd be sort of [ __ ]
like the next day like just torn up yeah but you know then you you know 48 hours later you're like all right i'm good to go i can rock and roll i used to go to a guy who had like a metal piece it was like this massage tool it looked almost like a chisel and he would get like his palm on it and he would work it into your muscles yeah that's spicy yeah but i don't know if it's necessary i don't think while this guy was doing that i was like is this uh i feel like elbows work just as well like did he invent this i didn't i didn't really look into it that much but i was thinking this might not be the best thing for you but everybody's got their own sort of weird thing that they like to do to loosen up the tissue and the fascia and yeah you got to do something right absolutely like i have a buddy of mine he's he's crazy so he actually bear crawled the new york city marathon how long did that take i think it took just under 24 hours yeah so he did it to like raise money for like men's mental health awareness and stuff like that yeah and he like he's just like he's actually training right now to climb consecutively climb the highest peak on every continent wow like that's his next thing that he's doing dude bear clawing bear crawling a hundred yards is ridiculous yeah and he did it for 26.2 miles what does he look like i mean his name is devin levesque is he a savage i mean he's he has to be he looks like i mean he's like he looks super athletic played college football like lean like is that him that's him yeah let me see uh some video of him bear crawling so yeah this is him like finishing the bear oh so he's got something some [ __ ] on his hands oh yeah he has he had like pads on he was dude he was doing it on concrete and asphalt look at this like what is this what is his back like at the end oh his hands are [ __ ] up he's like my hands are still only 50 ah look at that he went flying off the treadmill look at this yeah watch this wee [Laughter]
oh my god dude you also got this those crazy speaking of this video here where they do those really intense training videos yeah like he'll be on the treadmill like people are throwing med balls at him and stuff like that and uh he just saw them crazy [ __ ] you know it's the one thing about instagram that is a little bit it's not the one thing there's a lot of things that are disturbing but one of the things is that the need to one-up everything yeah and the need for everybody has this well i'm going to have this new method and it's going to be even great people are going to throw [ __ ] flaming arrows at me while i'm dead lifting you know there's everyone's looking for some angle to get more attention yeah i mean that's why i think like i'm not that guy in social media right like i just think a 900 pound deadlift should be cool as [ __ ] you got a lot of attention just because of the name like your instagram name world strong is gay yeah you're like okay tell me what's up good and bad right like yeah i'm coming out with a children's book um and i we we showed the cover of it a couple weeks ago and the messages i got like people were like you do strong man just to rape kids like i'm like no man like i'm just trying to be cool and like the book's not even really about being gay it's honestly like so it's kind of like a journey about my story and stuff like that and like once you accept yourself where you are you can achieve awesome things like the fact that i have a husband is just a part of the story it's not the main part of it but like that's all people get but yeah with it with an instagram name like world strongest gay it's you know i i'm lucky to get a lot of attention what is yeah what is the hate ratio like on on social media um i would say it's probably like i would say it's like probably 75 25. positive five yeah 25 that's a lot yeah it's a good amount and uh how much of their hate is
misspelled a lot yeah interesting right yeah it's a lot of non-english speaking people who have like you know zero posts and like four followers you know like because i mean i will say like i'll creep on their pages be like who is this [ __ ] and like it's nobody well they might not even be real no they probably aren't you know there's a whole um sort of ecosystem of these troll farms and that exists i don't know if you know this no yeah they it's i've had it explained to me by several different people and i'm i'm trying not to [ __ ] this up but rene deresta was one of the ones who explained it the best there's these troll farms particularly in russia and they have them in macedonia they actually just found out that out of the top 20 facebook uh christian pages 19 of them were run by troll farms so all these pages that people think that they're getting in debates about whether or not abortion should be right it's just it's they're run by these troll farms in eastern europe and what they're trying to do is get people to argue it's russia has this crazy long-term game plan to destroy the united states and one way they want to do it is by consistently feeding the online arguments and one way they do that like that one that i sent you jamie that is that one with yeah that's a hundred percent of troll farm there's there's a bunch of different pages that are dedicated to different things like they have ones for black lives matter and you would say oh well this is a page that's dedicated to you know racial injustice uh-uh no it's a page by russians who just want to argue with people so they'll say inflammatory things on these pages and they will use their comments and they'll comment on like christian pages or you know like people who want to bring back the [ __ ] rebel flag like that kind of [ __ ] and then they'll get them to go to their page and talk [ __ ] and it's like this little cat and mouse game
yeah they organized a texas separatist meeting across the street from some uh islamic freedom meeting so they had them they do it on purpose so they had smart people crossing like [ __ ] you no [ __ ] you and they're like angry at each other and they neither one of them were in on it they were both being manipulated by people that were in russia damn she said she found hundreds of thousands of posts and there was thousands and thousands of pages that they were confirmed that had been run by these troll farms hundreds of thousands of memes that she said were really funny like some of these memes like you would you'd read the memes and it's hilarious so like i think that with someone like you who's uh outspoken you know successful power lifter but also like proudly gay they would use you as like a person to attack because people would defend you and then people would see what they're doing and then it would cause you know this kind of yeah friction intention that's what they're trying to do i'm honored that's great they found you yeah thank you appreciate it it'd be nice to find out what's what like who's who with these things because i think there's quite a bit of them there's i know anything political anything that has to do with covet 19 or anything that has to do with elections and anything that has to do with uh abortion rights things that are like low-hanging fruit yeah but big discussions where it's guaranteed to have people interacting about it divisiveness they jump in on that [ __ ] yeah damn so when you're getting these [ __ ] posting at you that barely speak english yeah that's what's going on that makes sense yeah i mean i'm sure there's like real oh there's tickets in there yeah but i think a lot of them are not no it's [ __ ] it's very that's i mean it helps my page interaction so i'm cool with it pushed me up in the algorithm and that's good for sponsors it is yeah i mean the more i'm being seen the more i'm being viewed the happier they are so that's a it's a weird world that's a world of uh a lot of athletes these days right it's like interacting with sponsors and and social media yeah i
mean it is it is like another full-time job right because with each sponsorship comes you know dedicated posts and time that you have to spend with each of them how you have to interact with the fans on your post yeah for each sponsor um you know content creation and timing of stuff like it's it really is like a full job just to run social media stuff do you find that you think that people [ __ ] with you a little bit just to try to get you to react yeah but it doesn't really work yeah you have a pretty thick skin yeah i don't [ __ ] care man you know like it's nothing bothers me at this point that's healthy you know i have friends that are especially uh in the entertainment business that read their stuff and then they're you could tell they're depressed and they're like what are you doing man you reading mean comments stop reading like i see them but i'm just like all right that sucks for you like glad you feel that way yeah appreciate the comment is it mostly just anti-gay stuff yeah yeah that's i mean that's pretty much it what's ironic and that what i think is funny is these people will follow a page called world strongest gay and then i post a picture of me my husband and i lose followers really yeah like every time every time i post a picture of me and joey i lose anywhere between 500 and 1500 followers wow it's like pretty drastic it's not just a couple it's the russians but i'm like [ __ ] like what did you expect i literally have gay in my name yeah well being gay is like i think it's illegal in russia oh yeah they legit have concentration camps like in chechnya for lgbtq people whoa oh yeah concentration camps oh yeah man they're like picking people off the street whoa it's insane and what do they do with them in the concentration camps they try to like re-educate them or something i don't know usually kill them like they they go away pull that up find i don't know there are some articles that i've seen about like chechnyan like concentration
camps and stuff like that yeah and chechnya in particular yeah wow yeah it's [ __ ] crazy yeah we forget that the freedoms that we have here are not this is not the whole world you know you see what's happening in china with the uyghur muslims being shipped off crazy and trains like yeah like that's 2021 it's happening right now and that one basketball player god bless that man who is standing up yeah yeah that guy has [ __ ] courage like real legit courage because the nba does not want to have anything to do with any of that stuff what is this real sports trailer and hbo oh that's that guy yeah yeah he's the head of chechnya so yeah he said this is not is he speaking in english or so yes if there are any take them to canada oh [ __ ] praise be to god take them far away from us to purify our blood if there are any here take them so this is on hbo real sports or talking to that guy from chechnya about gays interesting that's on real sports well that guy is involved in a lot of sports in chechnya and he's uh he uh sponsors a lot of mma fighters they made it up they are devils they're for sale they're sub-human yeah man this is crazy god then god damn them for slandering us wow they will have to answer to the almighty for this wow it's crazy that guy he um he hosts a lot of big time mma fighters like he sponsors them and gives them a lot of money and then flies them uh to uh chechnya i won't be going there anytime soon i don't think you should a documentary they made called welcome to chechnya that came out last year that says it's about a group of activists taking uh on this it's on hbo also and that's uh it's crazy is it out came out the end of last year about a year ago yeah the world is not you know it's not
a perfect place and as good as we have it here it could be a lot better yeah but we have to understand that this is uh you know we're living in 2021 and we assume the whole world is like like us as free as we are to be fair like it's it still happens to me right like walking down the street holding my hand with my husband like i'll people will scream [ __ ] at us out the car window you know like it happened at the arnold in columbus ohio it's happened in massachusetts like i'm also not afraid to hold my husband's hand in public because the fact those people aren't going to stop and actually confront me one of my favorite things you said when some guy was some guy was saying something you go i'm stronger than you and i suck dick yeah yeah i mean it's true you know it's funny though it's very funny it's uh it's a sad thing when people care what other people are doing if it's not affecting you i don't understand that i think it's a it's a horrendous weakness like to care about what some then and i think it probably needs to be labeled that way to let them understand like if you if you care about two people that clearly want to do something that you don't like whatever the [ __ ] it is whether it's ballroom dancing or whether it's whatever it is if whatever if they're gay if they're trans whatever it is whatever it is why do you care no effect on you zero effect on you and one of the is like why put that much energy into something right that you have no control over but it's also if you have lived long enough you must have a friend that's gay and once you have a friend that's gay and you talk to them and you you realize like oh this is just how you are you're born gay this is not a choice no you're just you're gay and i you know i got lucky that when i was a little kid when i was seven years old we lived in san francisco so from seven to 11 i lived in san francisco during like the hippie era the vietnam war and my next-door neighbors uh were these this gay couple that my aunt would get naked they would smoke pot and play bongos with your next-door neighbors last time and that sounds like the coolest [ __ ] afternoon in the world
it was interesting so that was how i grew up and uh it wasn't until i was 11 that i realized people don't like gay people i moved to florida and we moved to florida my friend candy his dad was this uh cuban guy and uh his name is candido they call him candy and uh he was he threw the newspaper on the table he's [ __ ] mad and he was like what's i'm like what's wrong and he was pissed that gay people were wanting to marry each other like that was his thing i remember being 11 going what the [ __ ] imagine this is a grown man yeah like i'm an 11 year old kid i'm a little kid and i'm like this is so crazy like why do you care that's wild it's wild but people get taught that and i think they get taught that somehow or another the tolerance of that like not just not being gay but being tolerant of people who are gay makes you weak or makes society weak or like that [ __ ] guy yeah you know that kind of [ __ ] like that it's somehow another manliness and gayness are mutually exclusive yeah which is crazy to me makes no sense you know like i mean i said on you know before like i compete in like one of the most hyper masculine sports in the world arguably gay as [ __ ] you know like come on it's arguably the most right like the strongest man on the planet this and fighting like you know like it's like you're either beating the [ __ ] out of somebody or you're picking up a rock or you know just some like crazy neanderthal [ __ ] there's very few openly gay fighters very few um emil griffith was a famous uh i believe he was a welterweight champion and uh he had a fight against uh i think it was benny perez see if you can look this up but um peret was uh taunting him uh during the the training and the weigh-ins and the press conferences about him being gay and he killed him in the ring he beat him to death i love that like actually or sleep oh [ __ ] i don't love that i mean i actually beat him to death yeah and i think if i remember correctly
it really affected him and he never really fought that that happens a lot to fighters like when they kill somebody they're never really the same again yeah i mean that's was it like benny perette and emil griffith yeah so um 29 unanswered punches yeah see if you can find video of it it was a uh it was a ferocious beating see emil griffith was uh a serious boxer i mean world champion boxer but this guy had taunted him about being gay and he he fought don't [ __ ] with the gaysman [ __ ] ferociously but that's a rare case right and i don't even know if he was openly gay you know it was just known that he was gay but there's oh yeah this is this is the end that's yeah and this is just [ __ ] pun now and to be fair the the ref should have stepped in at some point this is the 50s bro wow true look at this oh the referee eventually did but look he died wow that's a wrap yeah it was a that's a rough that's crazy yeah yeah it's damn but there's not a lot of openly gay fighters and i wonder how many are gay they just have to hide it because of the the macho sort of thing about you know fighting culture yeah i mean that's if we look at any pro sport right like there's a lot of guys in the nfl that come out after they've retired i mean you know this is the first year in 2021 that we actually have an openly gay nfl player that's actively playing do you think that the like in your lifetime have you seen the attitudes about gay people you've seen him become more accepting and more relaxed yeah i think it's more accepting more relaxed but i also think the other side also feels that they have a louder voice now right because like as the lgbtq plus community as we are more accepted and it's you know becoming quote unquote normalized um all the other side of the spectrum feel that like oh well like if they're being accepted everywhere like i need to be louder about my stance and make my stance known you know um so i think like there's this like weird dichotomy between the two
where it's like yes as you know the rights are becoming more equal and you know lgbtq marriage is legal you know statewide nationwide and all that stuff um i think like the people that hate on it so much also feel that they have a louder voice because of that as well and is most of that hate you think religious based yeah most of it right i would say that's 90 of the hate that i got online from real people because it gives them the license right like they think that they're getting the word from god and that's you know that's the thing that i never understood right because like religious freedom i'm all for like follow whatever religion you want like i don't care but it's like religion is supposed to be when you're following it hey i can't do that it's not because i'm following this religion you can't do that yeah you know your religion has no bearing on me and how i live my life right um and that's the thing that i also find it's so funny right like they everybody keeps saying like oh the lgbtq community is pushing the gay agenda they're turning kids gay and stuff like i'm like listen i've never gone door-to-door and knocked on somebody so like hey have you sucked the dick lately you really should try it's fantastic right like and then you have religions literally pandering to people to peop for people to go into religion like that is part of their job in their religion has there ever been a study done on kids being openly gay like and whether or not has shifted over time like is there like i don't know i mean how would you ever do this right like is there a percentage a standardized percentage of people that just happen to be gay like what is the standard like what do you think how many people are gay is it 1 out of 10 is it 1 out of 100 what is it i mean i would say it's probably in the 15 to 20 range 15 to 20 out of 100 every every one at a 15 to 20. oh one out of 15 20. i'm just ballparking there like i don't really know percentages of lgbtq people i know more percentages of like you know the percentage of teens that experience bullying in high school right for being openly gay and how much you know the percentage of teens that like attempt suicide because they're being
bullied because they're gay versus their heterosexual peers and stuff like that um that's where a lot of my knowledge lands not as opposed to and is it extraordinarily high yeah it's like 49 of of teens have like contemplated suicide because of bullying because of homosexuality yeah wow right and then you know that percentage drops drastically just by having one accepting adult in their life oh wow really one one person that accepts an lgbtq plus teen can dramatically decrease the chance of suicide so when they say that like people are pushing the gay agenda if there was like statistics that show there's no change at all in the percentage of people that are gay it's just it would be interesting right so you can point to it i think people think there are more gay people now only because more people are more comfortable with coming out right like you hear stories about like i just saw a story about the other day like a man came out when he was 73 years old because he never felt comfortable to do so yeah you know imagine what kind of life that is and like i am so happy that he did finally come out but like what kind of life is that living i lived it for 22 years and i was [ __ ] miserable there's an animated commercial for doritos where what was that [ __ ] movie where the guy the where was it coco the day of the dead movie remember that movie do you ever see coco it's really good it's a great movie it's an animated day of the dead movie but in this one in this commercial for doritos uh grandpa is dead and he comes back to life like as i don't know he's a ghost or something but he comes back and he introduces his partner and he's holding hands with another grandpa and some people are freaking out they didn't know what to do but the grandma was happy because she said i thought you were going to be alone forever
ugh i just got chills you want to see it let's play it this is um it's it's interesting to see them like stick their neck out and make something like this here it is because people were mad at it the pages that i saw people were mad at they were the same kind of people that were mad at little nas x see so it's the the coco animation this is coco right these people i think so yes so they go to the grave and they're putting things was like tortilla chips it says dear brother i miss you okay so it's the brother and so look he comes back to life and they're eating doritos that is great says hello emily how are you this is alberto he takes his hat off and then there's a guy with him and then who is he is mario this is mario my partner and they're holding hands oh that's amazing oh i love that so there you go that's doritos i love that i'm going to get doritos today yeah i mean it's a cute little it's never too late to be your true self and that's you know i kind of came up with like a new mantra it's like always proud never scared right like it's just that simple and when you're talking about like teens in general like the fact that like you know growing up you know i'm not that old i'm 29 right and even me growing up it's like i never saw openly gay athletes right so that automatically as a kid who's questioning their sexuality it makes it seem impossible right because they're not around yeah and that's why like you know people are freaking out about marvel having lgbtq plus characters now and all this stuff and it's like there's no agenda trying to be pushed they're just trying to show that gay people and our community exist and having that one character that some little kid who's questioning who they are can relate to can literally save them
you know i mean it's it's absolutely unbelievable the kind of impact that has because growing up you see heterosexual couples all the time right like freaking watching rugrats right you know there's mom and dad yeah and you know there's you know people have an issue with the fact that the cartoons have like a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom now it's like no like there's no issue it's just normalizing it making it real i think what people are concerned with is that these corporations are capitalizing on this sort of uh openness and like being woke and open-minded and acceptance of lbgtq to sell stuff so the cynical i get that the cynical perspective is they're just piggybacking on this new change in our culture to sell things and you know what in my mind that's fine let them think that because if that keeps one kid from committing suicide it's worth it yeah that makes sense you know like let them make a couple extra bucks at least this kid's not dead i do like the woke agenda in corporations is is slippery because for the most part they don't give a [ __ ] about you no 100 yeah i mean that's why i think pride month is kind of a scam well they must make money on it oh there's a [ __ ] ton of money you know but it's like pride shouldn't just be during june right like it should be a year-long thing that we celebrate like black history shouldn't really be a month you know it's like god i i can't even imagine the money that corporations make on rainbows in june oh my god it's gotta be disgusting congratulations to you guys for taking the rainbow because that's what we're here for you own it now right the leprechauns can go [ __ ] themselves they have no claim to the rainbow no it used to be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow right now it's the gays like do you think that more gay people buy lucky charms than any other cereal it's an interesting one no there's a we've talked a lot about studies we could perform joe and this is another one that we could jump into now i would like to find out like whether or not there is like a standard number of people like if you could if people were
completely free and there was no no hesitation coming out as gay it was a completely accepted thing in our culture i wonder what the numbers would be i think it's pretty substantial i think i bet it would be a lot harder because i know a lot of guys who are suspect you know married with kids and you just wonder doesn't mean anything yeah yeah i know there's a lot right i talked about it last time man i was in a relationship with a girl for a year and a half before i you know realized that that sucked yeah i had a neighbor um when i lived in california and uh they were in their 60s and um but one one guy was gay's whole life he came out when he was young but the other guy whole family the whole deal married children miserable and then met this guy and realized like i can't do this anymore and that's like that breaks my heart dude yeah like that's terrible right i'm fortunate that i came to the realization when i was 22 which is still like kind of late but you had the courage to just step up and accept it and not hide it exactly and that's the problem is there's so many guys hiding it and like when when i was a kid in boston uh you would always hear about guys meeting in rest stops yeah and people thought it was funny you know that like you would go to rest stops and guys try to hook up in rest stops and i was like yeah but imagine being one of those guys imagine like this is where you have to go you got to go to a rest stop yeah and and somehow or another hope that everybody got the memo because this is before the internet yeah right so i don't even know how everybody found out that me either gay folks would meet at the rest stop but it was like a known thing stop at the pike in brockton you know like like why i mean how many times did they you know it was a trial and error thing yeah like do you remember that senator it turned out to be like he was an anti-gay senator too which one there are so many of them it happens all the time it's like oh a senator or a priest it's like oh found on grinder paying for guys like yes come on man i know it's like such a self-loathing thing
so it is and it's just like i don't know like maybe you know i had such a positive experience coming out where i'm like you know it made me realize like oh [ __ ] no like this is what it means to be happy this is what it means to not wake up every day and pretend to be somebody you're not yeah you know because like that's exhausting you know like walking around every day like thinking about how to talk how to walk how to interact with your friends even right like just a simple conversation they're like oh like that chick's hot and you're like yeah and you're like no you are like yeah you know yeah i had this uh one friend of mine that was gay and was in the closet forever and then he eventually came out but i i don't talk to him anymore i haven't seen him in like 15 years and i found out he came out afterwards but back when i knew him he would talk about girls and it would be like if i taught you how to say something in french but you didn't know french like i too you know like if i taught you how to say the words with the you know you know je ne sais quoi you know but you didn't really know what you were saying no idea that's what it was like yeah so he was talking about making out with this girl and i was like come again i'm like what happened i'm just getting flashbacks to like 40 year old virgin and like steve carl being like yeah they felt like bags of sand when he's talking about a girl's tits i never saw that movie oh it's pretty funny i've heard it's really funny yeah but for whatever that's one of those movies that i just it slipped me by and i never caught up but this guy was uh this handsome fella who's like a model he's like six foot three really good looking guy real fit he was a boxer and uh he would talk about girls and he had this girlfriend and uh the girl always looks confused like because he was too yeah so the girl was like you know she had this look in her face like how come he doesn't [ __ ] me you know like one of them looks he doesn't want to yeah and he would talk about girls and it would be like what wait a
minute huh yeah and it eventually came out but yeah you know it's like it just it is it really like it's it it's so sad to hear like these stories of these guys that just stay closeted for so long just because they think that's what they have to do well being a guy like you who is uh like a well-recognized respected person in this manly environment of strong man it's got to help like there's got to be a lot of young guys who find you and find comfort in the fact first of all you have not just the courage to come out but to be like super open and positive about it and proud of it and and you don't give a [ __ ] you know and so it seems like you can it's like someone could see you and go i think i could do that too yeah you know it's it's really cool because again like i mean you see and it's me on instagram right like i'm just like yeah [ __ ] this this is who i am yeah you just said yourself yeah and um you know to to do that and show everybody that you know your sexuality has absolutely no bearing on anything that you do or who you are is really cool because i do i do say like i i've gotten messages from like kids that have contemplated suicide you know and one kid literally it's it gets me every time and it's the first one i ever got was a 16 year old who said he was he had literally contemplated suicide for weeks and was almost to the point of going through with it and then he found my instagram page wow you know like that's just like it's insane to me that's amazing because it's just like just by me being me online this kid it made this kid realize that his life was worth something you know and i've gotten i've gotten a handful of those messages and i say it time and time again like those messages that i've gotten from kids like that outweigh every single [ __ ] negative comment or message i've ever gotten in my life those don't matter at that point yeah and that's why like i'm such a big proponent of like you know like just today i put on my on my instagram story that there was um an openly gay soccer player in australia that just came out and now he's
officially it's the first openly gay professional soccer player like at the top tier level and like i always say like that's so important because like reputation representation really does matter yeah you know for for kids you know [ __ ] my husband was a soccer player right and up until this year there wasn't an openly gay one at the top level um so you know for c to kids somebody for for kids to see somebody that looks like them um you know achieving things that up until that point they seemed were impossible really does it matters more than anybody else can really imagine we were talking about openly gay people in the world of fighting and i should clarify i only mean men there are quite a few openly gay women including ufc uh dual champion she's a champion amanda nunes the greatest fighter of all time the greatest female fighter of all time is openly gay as is uh her wife is also a fighter um there's quite a few different like top level ufc female fighters that are gay and that's just sports in general right like look at mega rapino sue bird um you know i think but here's as much grief because i think there's a correlation between athleticism and masculinity and i think with people they automatically assume and it's an incorrect assumption that lesbian women are more masculine so therefore it's okay for them to be in sports or they associate gay men to be feminine therefore they shouldn't be athletic right so i think there's that connection that happens right so when a guy is in the nfl and comes out as gay or or a guy like you is a strong man comes out okay then people gotta go oh these assumptions they don't hold up exactly right and that's that's a big thing is like you know like yeah i use this the hashtag on social media it's like breaking the stereotype right like kind of reforming what people think gay is because they try to put everybody in this box where it's all of us wearing like you know booty shorts high heels
and nails you know ever you know i will say we were at a drag show one time and one of our friends came up to us and she's like hyping up my husband she's like you should do drag you'd be gorgeous oh my god it'd be so great without skipping a beat looks at me goes you'd be a very awkward woman i was like [ __ ] you like that hurts yeah so no i don't do that i have i i've been pseudo put up in drag once and it wasn't a cute little well you don't have to be in dragged out booty shorts that's true you know like i mean i am competing this weekend so if you compete and cut off jeans i mean that's like subtle it is it i mean kind of you know you mean the rainbow leggings aren't the rainbow leggings are less subtle than booty shorts i think might be a new poll i have to put up on my instagram tonight rainbow leggings though it's still like standard clothing it's just different colors if you wear like booty shorts like cut off shorts there's something about cut off shorts right like men that's what's gonna say but like that i feel like that's kind of a masculine thing because it's always associated with like lumberjacks and like flannel cut off shorts can be manly if they go about down to the knees okay then men can wear cut off shorts mid thigh and higher not so much as soon as you start creeping up above the knees the higher you get the gear it is which is really weird right it is it is weird i mean that means basketball in the 70s was gay that's [ __ ] gay as [ __ ] yeah like larry bird gay as [ __ ] with them totally those shorts they have like i mean they basically had their nuts hanging out of those shorts right their ass was eating them the entire yeah they went right up to the top yeah yeah if you had those with with cut off jeans that'd be a real issue might not be functional for strongman though yeah look at those things yeah look at green i mean that's a lot of leg yeah yeah that's how they did it back then see if you can find larry bird there he is look at it yeah a lot of legs literally just under the cheek mm-hmm you could not do that
to people would be upset at you yeah like what is wrong with your [ __ ] well i just like how the nba like guys jesus christ the nba like over exaggerated in the 90s and their shorts were like down to mid chin yeah why'd you do that that's weird like they're making up for the short shorts in the 70s so you know what's weird that never caught on is kilts people started wearing kilts for a while it was it was a thing like people thought they were a badass with kilts i've heard that's coming back i might have just seen it see this they don't call them they actually call us call them skirts so i have men that wear skirts two of the guys that are competing here this weekend they're from scotland they're brothers the stoltman brothers um and they they'll typically compete in kilts i mean they they're literally from the highlands in scotland though yeah they have lineage you're allowed to wear skirts they're really badass one of them one of them just won world's strongest man this past year and the other one won europe's strongest man wow which is pretty cool that is pretty cool yeah it's it's funny right like shorts are okay if the legs are in like a tube right but the legs are not in the tube i'm not okay but if you're from scotland we're cool with it do you have bagpipes okay you could wear a skirt yeah you know like these [ __ ] weird rules it's insane the weird stuff to me the anti-gay stuff is the religious stuff because like what was the root of that like what was the root of homophobia in religion like why does it exist well i mean people always quote that one quote that it's like men cannot lay with man as he lies with woman or whatever the [ __ ] it is yeah but i guess according to that lesbians are fine yeah exactly right like it doesn't say anything about women laying with women right so also it's only laying down like what if he stands up and let's suck his dick i mean that's not gay actually we found a loophole it's not gay yeah two chains oh two chasers skirt looks good there you go yeah maybe he'll bring it back i mean i will say i do love like what billy porter does on the uh on the red carpets now diesel diesel's gotta screw it up yeah okay
that was back in the day oh three oh three yeah i was also in uh scotland so uh oh was he i guess yeah i didn't know yeah but that is like a skirt that's not a kilt that's leather that's like yeah i mean unless that's a butcher's apron like let ben wear skirts movement they let men wear skirts movement i mean harry styles has been doing it lately i mean the whole dress he does yeah same with billy porter you know just like showing up on the red carpet in these fabulous gowns yeah i it's weird that we have clothes that are specifically like women women can wear so much more they have so many more options right i mean hey wouldn't it be great to be able to wear a kilt and feel a breeze yes or a skirt or no because if there's like a dog attacking you know true that would bother me there's a lot bother you more because you only have one nut yeah i don't want to lose that one yeah do a dog no you know you want to be like tucked up and [Music] cover it in but here's the thing like a woman could wear a shirt like yours with no no sleeves and go to a really nice restaurant yeah but if a man went to a really nice restaurant with us with a tank top on they kick them right out i used to work at a prep school and the faculty had to abide by a dress code during the school day men had to wear shirt and tie um women had to wear a professional dress that's all it said right so like i couldn't show up to work in a polo and dress pants or khakis but a female teacher could full sleeves right she can have full like no sleeves yeah arms out totally fine yeah but like i have to wear a full button-down dress shirt and a tie it's strange yeah it's like it doesn't make any sense it's like it would be one thing if everyone had to wear a suit like yeah women had a dress like hillary clinton totally and the men had to wear suits makes sense yeah that makes sense but the fact that women can throw an oversized sweater on with a belt and behave that's [ __ ] weird man yeah it is
weird i'm jealous about it to be like i'm not even mad i wish i had that kind of freedom we should all have that kind of freedom hell yeah but dress codes are very strange they know and a lot of times they're racist like they're they're like they say you can't wear track suits okay who's wearing tracksuits yeah yeah what's what's going on there yeah and by the way why do you care like do rags that's the thing do rags oh yeah like people can't wear like a do-rag inside but can you wear a hat inside the places where you can't wear a do-rag i don't know i just saw the do-rag thing got pissed off about it like one place wouldn't allow white t-shirts but you wear a black one yeah it's more dressy classy doesn't make sense no but like codes of like what clothes to wear are odd like your image is the image of the actual restaurant itself okay the if you have an image it should be your curtains and your silver wedge not table settings yeah what the people are wearing they're interchangeable they come they go you know it's like isn't that kind of cool that you have this variety of life like look there's the guys in the suits over there and those guys over there are dressed like basketball players and those guys over there look like they might be rock stars like it's great who gives a [ __ ] well i was like i once went for a a job and they told me that i was going to have to shave my mohawk because it was unprofessional what was the job it was an athletic trainer to prep school and i was like your mohawk would be unprofessional and i asked them i was like point blank i was like so what bearing does my mohawk have on my ability to do the job they couldn't give me an answer they were just more afraid of the image of me having a mohawk when they have you know multi-million dollar families that are donating to their school and thought that that might look bad for them i didn't shave my mohawk good for you but again who gives a [ __ ] yeah why why do you give a [ __ ] listen i'm gonna take the ankle exactly how i tape the ankle regardless if i have a mohawk on my head yeah it's just the i mean it's weird
cause you could shave your whole head right yeah so that's okay what if you decide to shave your head to look like a guy who was bald well you grew hair on the side and then shaved the top is that's okay okay but if you shave the sides and left hair on the top that's nice it's okay but you have to have a certain amount of it yeah yeah you can't have just a two inch strip across the top of my head is not okay it's weird if you were looking at us from afar if you're trying to examine human beings with no context and trying to like examine our culture without any real references you're like what are they doing well i mean you've said this before like aliens would think we're weird as [ __ ] oh yeah yeah there's no shot no they'd be like what the [ __ ] is up with these people the arbitrary rules the things that like uh the thing that drives me the most crazy is women's shoes i just think it's so bizarre watching women hobble around and these strange things that and uh chuck pollinik was uh here yesterday and he was explaining that it's like um when women are having sex like their toes point in the way that they are like i don't know if this is true or not the hell in the way they are with these high heels like the idea of like your toes being down and your heels being up and this like you know sort of uh represents coitus or or you know recreates coitus that's wild but i don't think that's true i wouldn't i think it just makes your butt look better i think yeah your calves and your ass look great yeah i think that's what it is i think girls figure that out and it also accentuates the length of the legs yeah but people always have these weird theories as to why things became standard because if you go back in time it was illegal for women to show any leg at all and back in the victorian era they used to cover the legs on pianos yeah because they thought that people would get aroused by piano legs like they would literally cover them with like a dress like this make cloth to cover the legs like how i mean i'm thinking like what no victorians didn't cover up table legs because they were too sexy oh
god damn an admittedly adorable myth i think like with the heels thing my thought process from terence mckenna so terence you did me wrong my thought process with the heels thing was like it elevated women yeah right because like physically they're typically shorter than men so like in the workplace it brought them like physically higher to like their level so they wouldn't be looked down upon i think they were done before the workplace though i think the high heel thing yeah probably back before women worked yeah it was not true what uh why did they cover the legs oh sorry i was going back to the pianos um let me see so i came from uh like i guess it could be a journal of uh someone that traveled in 1839 and was repeating a story of something oh that's where the rumor came from so what was the reason why they covered those legs does it say i'm trying i'm we're trying to skim real fast for sure though back in those days women had to cover most of their bodies yeah i mean they would look floor-length skirts yeah yeah and slowly but surely the culture shifted but that's what's weird right it's like human beings biologically are essentially the same as they were then so what is it about people and what is it about our our ideas of what's acceptable not acceptable where you have to cover things up or you don't cover things up or things shift and change yeah you know what's always freaked me out volleyball volleyball is the only sport where girls have to dress like a hoe well and i love that this year at the limp the olympics like the handball teams and the volleyball teams protest protested that oh the handball team's just like i think it was yeah yeah i think they had to wear it i say with all due respect ladies um they had to wear like it was very short spandex shorts um and it was same with volleyball and these teams protested that and like we're literally being fined per day when they would compete not wearing the official dress code but also you know [ __ ] you we're not gonna we don't need to be sexualized to play our sport well here's the rub
though when they compete in the olympics against like the egyptian team or any muslim country those countries the women where the job fully covered yeah that's crazy that's crazy because they're allowed to compete under this sort of religious exemption so it's is it the olympics that's doing this or is it the united states olympic team that's telling them about what what dress code i don't know i don't i know it wasn't it was another country that started the protest in terms of the dress code for these must be the olympics yeah but they have a religious exemption yeah that's like that is so weird to me it is so religious exemptions are so weird it's like what are you doing are there like boundaries around the religious exemption like could we just like say like oh no it's religious like you have to give proof of the religion that's a good question and by the way what if you start your own religion that well that's that's where i was kind of going with it my religion requires me to wear lingerie everywhere yeah garter belts you have to wear garter belts in the religion yep that's a weird one right the straps that is but gay folks do you guys don't have lingerie no it's like jock straps and [ __ ] like that yeah there's no like thing that like indicates you're interested in sexy time like if a girl comes out of the bathroom here's the thing at the end of the day we're dudes [Laughter] exactly same physiological response as a straight dude versus a gay dude right for playing games no no it's like all right let's go yeah yeah we just did at the end of the day it's funny because like that is what lingerie is right if a lady comes out of the bathroom and she's changed into some skimpy little outfit with frilly lace and everything you guys like oh time to get it on it looks like someone's ready with gay couples it's like oh you're home cool oh you're breathing let's do it you know like yeah we don't have to there's no dance
about that yeah but does their like romance and like the thrill of the chase that's involved that's the same because like women like romance they like to be like romanced and they like you just slowly get into it i think it depends on like the mood right like i think that's with any couple right like it's like i'm sure with with straight people like sometimes they just want to get down and dirty and go after it and other times there's like foreplay and and there's more to it you know like in that romance same thing with generally when it's foreplay it's the ladies idea sir i'll tell you this i'm sure you've had sex with women before but i'm gonna tell you as a guy who does on a regular basis what does it say oh the the the leg thing okay here it is while it's true that during this era some people covered parts of their furniture they did so in an effort to keep their valuables from being damaged okay not to hide the alleged sexuality of a dining table victorians liked embellishment cloth dye was the boldest most adhesive it had ever been so it wasn't unusual to see all manner of decorated cloth draped on furniture okay interesting interesting also they would do then it turned because i think they were uh making see this part says uh okay pointing out the concept of covering furniture legs for modesty was actually a dig on the perceived stuffed-up prudence prudishness of americans interesting i've always learned so much here me too i've learned i've learned so much accidentally like i was having a conversation with someone the other day and they brought up something i said well actually it's because of this and some weird obscure information that i had and she was like how the [ __ ] do you know that and i'm like i don't i don't know i just saw a rolodex up there so many people but i forget things too like someone sent me a clip of a conversation that i had with graham hancock and uh i was it was about the amazon and uh what happened to the people in the amazon and uh as i was watching the clip like i was like oh i completely forgot about this
yeah i mean that's probably gotta be one of the coolest parts of what you do for sure you know like i mean i that's like when i you know tell people that i come on and like i talk to you i was like you know it's i mean i think i mentioned it to you before too it's like i got hate from the lgbtq community from coming on this show last time which i'm sure will happen again um but it's just like the fact that you're willing to have me and then guys like ben shapiro on the same show and just have candid conversation is just so [ __ ] cool well we all need that 100 and that you get hate for this is so ridiculous and you know and the idea that i'm somehow homophobic is [ __ ] ridiculous yeah no there's always people looking to dismiss people today it's one of the weirdest parts about today is that people want to take a person and narrow them down into a binary thing a good or a bad yeah you know a pro or a con with me or against me get rid of them have them killed or elevate them to godhood there's no in-between yeah it's so dumb it's like human beings are messy weird creatures you know and where you know it's hard to put people in boxes and categorize them and you're a great example of that yeah you know the funniest thing was like somebody messaged me like joe rogan hates gay people how could you be on a show i was like i literally hugged the dude three days ago pretty sure he doesn't [ __ ] hate me i don't even know where they get it from a lot of it came during the bernie sanders campaign but that was because they were just trying to keep bernie from getting elected yeah they started taking clips of things out of context and trying to pretend that these are like real opinions well no and that's the thing i always tell people right like especially about you it's like yeah you probably saw that three and a half minute clip that's going around facebook that's all good but like go actually watch the two and a half hour conversation that they had
yeah like actually listen to what they talked about it's it's just a weird time for people because there's so many opinions out there like so many people have opinions and it's so hard to try to get a a real nuanced view of who a person is you got to talk to them over and over and over again one of the good things about having a podcast like this where i talk three hours at a time is that the people that listen know me they get it because you can't hide from people when you're talking for three hours day after day after day after day they know you warts and all oh yeah yeah they know you it's insane i mean but i mean that's why you know i'm so grateful for being on here as well well i'm grateful you come on here and i think we all need like in all groups of whatever differences whether it's people on the right and people on the left people that are religious people that aren't people that are gay people that are straight yeah whatever it is we all need to just talk more and come to this with the real understanding that life is just about people that are nice and people that aren't nice yeah and if you're a nice person you don't care what other people do and you just want them to be happy and if you're not a nice person you want to go around controlling people and making people live the way you live or think the way you think on both ways absolutely whether it's you know people that think that you have to adhere to a certain way of communicating and talking about people and preferred pronouns and languages and there's so much of what we're dealing with today is about people trying to control other people yes whether it's homophobes trying to control you or whether it's the russians trying to control our political discourse or whether it's vaccine mandates or the politicians are trying to control people or the pharmaceutical companies are trying to control people that generate more income it's about control and we're losing some of our humanity by by giving into that a lot of humanity yeah right like my thing has always been like at the end
of the day like it's easier to love than hate it's right better to love than hate that's for sure the effort it takes to hate somebody is exhausting it is but some people feed off that [ __ ] i know i don't forget that man yeah well you're smart that's why yeah you're smart and you also have experienced discrimination at a higher scale than most people so you understand how stupid it is it really is it's [ __ ] stupid and it's there's so much freedom in just accepting and loving people it feels better yeah it feels better those the people that are the the real people not the russian trolls that are leaving these mean comments there's probably something either something about them or they're afraid because they might be gay or maybe they are gay or maybe they were raised in some weird repressive religious environment you know i mean that's the thing is like the whole fear around gay people and like the lgbtq community blows my mind the fear about it and what yeah like people are afraid that like you know we're trying to like take over or make people gay i mean you said it before like we're just born this way man like yeah that's all we wanna you know i just wanna be able to go home to my husband at the end of the day and not get [ __ ] for it yeah yeah it's pretty pretty simple yeah the fear right the fear part and the anger it's like i think a lot of it is just not being exposed to enough yeah i think it's ignorance right like they they feel that somehow my happy loving relationship with my husband is going to affect their lives in some way negatively yeah what should i like that doesn't make me literally impossible yeah unless he's trying to [ __ ] you what are you yeah and most of the times i don't want to wha has it sh have you felt the shift in your lifetime like you you you came out and you were what 20 22 22 yeah so seven years ago have you felt over that time acceptance sort of expand
yeah i think so like i think it's also it also could just be like my position in the sport that i'm in like people just know who i am right right like so people coming into the sport they're like oh yeah there's rob and his husband joey and there's no thought about it right right like i think it's just like it's taken seven years but it's just become who i am like right and that's just the expectation people know of me i think what it also boils down to is like people are just they get awkward around change they don't know how to accept it right so like when somebody does come out as gay lesbian bi trans or whatever they struggle to try to reset their mind frame i mean i did coming out as gay right like i lived a heteronormative life for 22 years of my life right like i i up until i was 22 i thought i was going to be married to a woman have kids you know just live this normal lifestyle and realize that's not me that's not what i want that's not what's going to make me happy and i'm fortunate that i was able to just come to terms with that really quickly and just be like yep [ __ ] it that's it but even like the people in the sport and some people around me like they struggled to to change that narrative of my life and at the end of the day it's like why why does my life have that kind of bearing on you yeah you know and that's that's what i think is the weird thing well it's also it's a sex thing which is weird is because like if you live your whole life chances are you're never going to see any of your friends [ __ ] no right be kind of weird if you did right so why do you care and that's that's another thing right is i think like for some reason people automatically associate being gay with sex right like if if you see a straight couple walking down the street you don't think of them in the bedroom i do i mean i always that's all about that's all you man but it's like you know they see a picture of me and my husband and they're they're all they're just like which one
of you guys is on the top yeah they just automatically go to this perverted mindset of sex right off the bat it's like nothing i talked about is about sex i'm talking about love like you know they're not mutually related so it's like come on yeah i'm pretty sure my neighbors the older folks they probably didn't [ __ ] anymore they were like in there in the late 60s the whole ed thing will creep up to you not really anymore no viagra is a hell of a drug yeah um so you have seen things shift the thing that drives me crazy about um homophobia really is when it's rooted in religion and do you have this ideology that they believe came down from up on high right so they think this is this must be followed to the letter and if that's the case and they they think that homosexuality whatever the religion is because there's some some homosexualities that are more tolerant or some religions and ideologies that are more tolerant of homosexuality and absolutely some that aren't at all and the ones that aren't at all it's spooky because a lot of those are ancient and they've they've held these traditions for a long time like you know when you hear about um like isis throwing people off buildings oh being gay and islam in like middle eastern countries like literally be heading in like a public square yeah it's scary that's reality it's that's what scares me is like you could open up someone's eyes that maybe these ideas that they had about bigotry and you know and homophobia are wrong and they need to readdress and re-understand and that's possible you can get people to open their eyes and go yeah i just thought it was i thought it was their choice i didn't know now i know i've reframed my perceptions of it but when those perceptions are locked into an ancient ideology that is supposedly the word of god they're not going to change that that [ __ ] is so difficult to change and it's it's such a sneaky way to make something like a legacy thought and like to keep it in there i think that the moment that people i kind of like give people an aha moment
right it's like i compete in competitions all over the world and for most people it's just not a thought of where you go to travel but what i tell them is like i literally have to google to make sure i'm allowed in that country in the first place whoa right have you ever had to not go to one because i have chosen to go to one where homosexuality was illegal and joey wasn't able to come with me where was that botswana botswana 2017 homosexuality is legal there now as of 2019 i believe but in 2017. yeah uh 2017 it was not so like that and that was actually my first year at world's strongest man wow so typically the world's strongest man invite comes like via email it's like congratulations you've qualified mine came from a phone call from lawyers at img really and they were like hey rob so here's the situation um we want you to be one of the athletes at world's strongest man this year however it is being held in botswana and as of right now homosexuality is illegal the way the law is written is you can only be persecuted if found performing quote-unquote unnatural acts so they were like we're going to leave it up to you if you don't want to come we'll hold your spot for next year but it's up to you uh you know so my husband and i went back and forth on like what do we do right you know this is a huge moment this is the first time an openly gay man's gonna be competing at world's strongest man um so how do we navigate this and ultimately we decided for me to go and he would stay home just for pure safety yeah and like no lie i think it was about two weeks before i flew out sure as [ __ ] fine like somebody sends me an article about two men that were thrown in jail for seven years for holding hands in public in botswana in botswana where i was going two weeks later do you think they let them out now i don't know i i mean i would hope so um but you know like that's that's something that i have to think about
holding because that was an unnatural act according to holding hands and what about shaking hands that's okay no that's not good how weird yeah right how long do you make eye contact shake hands but you can't walk with them no no you can't move yeah that is such a strange thing just think about that because everyone shakes hands yeah everyone you shake hands with people you don't even know but if you hold on to that hand with someone you do know and you go for a walk it's not okay people get really upset at you yeah how [ __ ] weird is that right because it's not like kissing like men don't kiss men on the lips when they see each other so if two guys see people kiss two guys kissing in public it's like whoa i didn't i've never seen that before yeah but everybody's seeing guys shake hands nothing weird about it but holding onto that hand could be a real issue that makes it awkward how weird is that so yeah so it's like you know i've i've been invited to compete in some middle eastern countries like i was in bahrain back in march um fortunately lgbtq laws are pretty relaxed but like that's the thing that i have to do every time i travel to these countries i literally have to see like okay like what are the laws surrounding me being there here's a little kind of weird side thing do you remember when bush was in office um he had like very close relationships with the saudis and one of the things the saudis do is they do hold hands while they walk yeah so there was photos of george bush holding hands with this uh saudi royal guy while they were walking by this look at this yeah i gotta follow his rules in saudi in saudi arabia i am illegal there right like i can't i was kissing on the lips what was that holding hands a little kiss yeah yeah you know so it's just like it's so funny so like that's okay but me being an openly gay man i cannot exist in their space well you know what's weird is you know we're talking about these uh islamic countries my friends that have served and have been deployed
overseas say there's so much undercover homosexuality in these countries and a lot of it with underage boys yep that's like a thing that they were told that they had to look away from like when they when they had these encounters with people who were either translators or informants or people that were working alongside with them occasionally they would have scenarios where these guys were abusing young boys and they weren't allowed to say anything about it yeah and they were and they were told they this is a part of their culture damn and so these guys all over their own what so here you have this culture that the ideology is openly homophobic yeah openly anti-gay yet behind those doors all these guys that are having sex with women like i remember um i was having this conversation with someone and they were talking about how tolerant iran is and i was like in what way like iran has like some of the highest levels of trans people in the muslim world i go yeah yeah but do you know why it's because being gay is illegal yeah so the only way these guys can be with their partner is if one of them transitions that's so [ __ ] up which is crazy so [ __ ] up so this is the loophole that they're given like yes you are allowed to be with this person but you one of you [ __ ] has to decide who the girl is that's crazy that's great i mean it's you know countries like dubai where it's like yes it is technically illegal to be gay there but it's also not persecuted okay so it's like weed in austin yeah exactly you know so it's like i know like you know we were gonna be going there for a contest but i ended up not being able to go and they were like oh like you can't show affection in public like you know you can't you know hold hands you can't kiss anything like that but that's kind of standard across the board for straight or gay people right in a country like that right right um yeah there's a lot of that like in dubai you get caught like making out with a woman on the beach they can oh
yeah yeah you can get in trouble were you when you went to botswana were you allowed to wear your your tights the same or did you tone it down i did look yeah it was it was like a little [ __ ] you like a subtle [ __ ] you yeah you know um you know i've kind of made it a point like that was that was my break into the the highest level of this sport which is why i kind of took advantage of going the world's strongest man but now i'm a little stronger in my convictions whereas like if a contest is being held in saudi or any of these other countries i would absolutely turn it down be like no man like if you're gonna hold a contest in a in a country that openly you know kind of hates who i am as a person right then i'm not going to compete with you well also now you're a known person so yeah you're you're you're holding a higher standard yeah exactly you know back when 2017 before i ever competed i didn't you know now pretty decent following online you know should i get to here sit here and talk to you and people gen you know kind of know who i am yeah so you know i would hope that my voice has a little bit of of weight behind it well and plus in that world you're very successful so in that world you're known even more yeah so you kind of have a responsibility i get it absolutely yeah it's just wild that here we are in 2021 and you've got countries that like we saw the video clip earlier and in china i think they have a similar attitude don't they yeah i i i forget the exact statistic but i think it's like anywhere between 15 and 17 countries worldwide it's still legal it's still legal to be murdered or killed because you're gay and do all these countries share a religion are they varied most of them are like islamic um i know like in russia it's actually written like if if a random person just like beats a gay person to death on the street they won't be charged with murder in russia yeah that's a thing you do not want to give russians a green light to beat anyone today no dude one of the guys i'm competing against this weekend's russian oh really yeah he's pretty cool dude though well i gotta imagine they're
it they're exposed to the internet now right so they're exposed to a broader range of human beings and and more discussions about things yeah and people get a better sense of that you know this is just part of life yeah i don't know if it's necessarily like accepted but it's more tolerated which is shitty to think that oh at least i'll be tolerated in this country it's going to be looked down upon in the future like when people do whether it's 100 years from now or whatever it is when there's none of that left they're going to be looking back on it the same way we look at slavery the same way we look at all sorts of horrific things that people have done throughout the same way we look at the way women were treated before they were even allowed to vote we're gonna look back on and go what the [ __ ] were they thinking yeah it's crazy it is crazy you know i mean that's like with the the slavery like segregation thing like people tend to think that like that was so long ago what's going on right now in life 40 50 years no here in the us even 40 50 years ago only like it's not well it's old arguable it's still going on right now if you consider these people that are incarcerated that yeah that shouldn't be and that are that are innocent i mean there's a lot of people in prison right now that are incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses and they're essentially using them as batteries to generate money you know you when you think of disgusting private prison system you know when they put people into these jail cells and when you know that prison union uh like workers like the guards lobbyists they what they do is prison guards in at least they were for a while they were lobbying to make some drug laws to keep those drug laws because that would make sure that they would have more work what the hell yeah that's crazy yeah police unions did it prisons um you know they they lobbied to make sure that certain drug laws were were kept in place because that would guarantee
revenue because as soon as you make things valuable you can make money off of imprisoning people i mean you've seen just crazy the statistics on imprisonment in america are so nuts when you look at our prisons and our prison population in comparison to the rest of the world i i think only china has similar numbers to ours that's wild but see we could find what that is i think when he's i see i know it was outrageous but i don't know what the numbers are like the comparison the prison population in the united states versus the way people are imprisoned worldwide like per capita yeah i think we're off the charts well i think there was like a meme and it was said you know like when dispensaries look like apple stores it's time to release those people that are being incarcerated for weeks yeah chuck d from public enemy he had that on his uh his instagram today yeah it's like come on man there's people in jail for selling weed and then you can go to dispensaries in california there's a place across the street from the improv in hollywood that looks like a [ __ ] apple store dude i go to the ones in massachusetts they're bougie as hell this guy across the street from the improv they gave you a magnifying glass oh yeah look at the weed they like flashlights you can inspect it look at the crystals like it's crazy okay so here it is uh the prison population of the united states is number one bigger than china and china has a billion people wow so our prison population is ready for this two million one hundred ninety three thousand seven hundred ninety eight china one million five hundred and forty eight 498 china has more than yeah more than three times the amount of people here and we have over 600 000 more people incarcerated yeah it's nuts no more than that look i mean this is the the numbers are yeah 600 000. and look at but what it is per capita population per 100 this is where it's really nuts 118 for china 737 for a hundred thousand in in america wow that's [ __ ] crazy the jail occupants this is the thing the china is not
available the occupancy level is 107 in america that means there's more people in those jail cells that are even supposed to be in there kenyan prisons have an occupancy level of 343 000. excuse me 343 that's wild three times overpopulated it is wild but if you get down to like england you know i mean they have 80 000 people in prison that's nothing yeah scotland 6 000 people in print northern ireland a thousand people in prison that's wild that's insane yeah and only 79 per 100 000 2 million here in the us it's crazy and we're one of the places where look at that unsentenced prisoners look at that [ __ ] 21 oh women prisoners only eight percent girls are keeping it together here in america yeah it's [ __ ] so if you you think about that like they're you know in america slavery is kind of it's it's not legal to buy people no and sell people but it's certainly illegal to keep them in a cage and keep them in a cage for things that arguably should be legal like drugs yeah yeah i mean look at like you look at like when when states decriminalize or countries decriminalize you know drugs i think like portugal was one it was a country that decriminalized all drug charges yeah and they saw just massive drops yeah in crime like in everything well the really important thing is it stops organized crime and that's a giant problem in mexico i mean we are connected to mexico and mexico's organized crime feeds off of our appetite which is so [ __ ] because by making things illegal here we don't stop people from using drugs these are the same amount of drugs but we do we do unfortunately set it up where they're gonna get tainted drugs so these people yeah they're getting fentanyl-laced heroin and [ __ ] like that people are overdosing so quickly i mean it's insane but in this comp in this country it would be political suicide if you said we should legalize all drugs oh yeah i mean i think oregon did it though i think oregon just decriminalized everything everything everything yeah heroin mushrooms steroids whatever you
want to do they're like go ahead love it but meanwhile it sucks up there it does it does sucks out there and i uh talked to a guy who said that no i didn't talk to a guy i read this who said he was talking about uh he got his car done he had some body work done in his car and he said i got to tell you these antifa folks keep me in business so he said he has been dealing with bullet holes and that bullet holes and cars are so common up there that's actually ramping up his business that's wild i will say like joey and i went to portland for a weekend and it was crazy walking around there just seeing the amount of homelessness but what's crazy is the amount of people that choose to be homeless right right like they're laying in their tents with iphones dirty white people that's what it is yeah dirty white people but i'm probably from rich families that want to be oppressed yeah that's the way they get because living on my own i'm one of the unhoused here in portland and i want to say but like [ __ ] you're laying with an iphone 13 in your tent it's just a weird thing that they have allowed so much [ __ ] chaos up there and yes people don't feel comfortable about their property and their home and whether or not they're safe walking down the street and that's insane yeah it's crazy but they're uh they're pretty open-minded when it comes to lbgt they are they're i felt very safe there isn't it funny it's like when no one can get it right there's not like one sweet spot but i do have to say austin is a pretty good sweet spot it is a pretty good sweet spot pretty amazing place i mean to be fair not a huge fan of the whole state but austin yeah he's got it going on it's um well the whole state so much of it is like really rural and ranches and and so old school yeah but then you have you know the governor that just signed in this anti-trans athlete bill just this past week what see this anti-trans athlete thing is where we're probably disagree because i feel like the real issue is we don't have enough data to find out what is what's fair and what's not fair i agree especially look at you okay if you decided to go into women's powerlifters
this is the world's strongest woman and you just decided to identify as a woman and enter into that good [ __ ] luck ladies no i agree but there's also but that this bill specifically here in texas is for youth athletes right so youth athletes in this state have to compete in the gender they're assigned at birth okay so let's take for instance there's a wrestler here in the state the girl that yeah she takes she has taste testosterone has to compete against women that's bad that is bad it's bad for her it's bad for the other athletes or it's bad for him it's bad for the other athletes that have to compete against him because you know essentially this biological female now has the hormone profile of a male but if you're talking about a 13 or 14 year old you know male to female athlete that's when things get different is it though have they gone through puberty maybe maybe not are they taking estrogen blockers possibly if they're in a transition shouldn't even be legal for them to take estrogen blockers in this state like when is it in some states i mean it is legal some states it's not right yeah i mean but if that that the guy can get testosterone the same for the flip side should be it should be legal i mean should who the [ __ ] knows my issue is if they change their mind you do you know there's been research on trans uh male to female that if you leave them alone and they don't transition a lot of them just become gay and are happy that they didn't do some sort of hormonal intervention yeah i mean i think there's i mean there's another thing but it probably knows i'll probably get hatred from my community again saying this but you know i read i i was watching a video read an article that there was um a six-year-old boy in a family a family had a daughter a newborn you know obviously the the six-year-old who was an only child was no longer getting the attention so you know started identifying as female when they brought the the child to
therapy to kind of uncover this a little bit more he felt that the only reason he was able to get attention from his parents was to be a girl because he now had a little sister it wasn't because he was actually trans that sounds like shitty parenting i think so too but like i think there's definitely instances but i think that you know there's also a flip side that the flip side that is true that they're there are trans kids yeah you know that are that know from a young age that they are not male or female or that you know they're not the agenda that they're giving up earth but the thing is there's a difference between accepting them for that and who they are and them competing with what may be biological advantages there was a situation that happened recently where there was a pro mma fighter who uh was trans openly trans competed and beat a woman who's a biological female they they had a good it was apparently a good fight and the trans woman was actually in trouble in the first round and then wound up winning in the second round and then people came to me about it and i go i have no problem with that yeah i have zero problem with that you know why because it was it was all divulged like they knew there was no confusion absolutely like the woman knew what she was doing just like i have no problem with anybody doing anything risky like no problem with skiing is more dangerous than that yeah like there's a lot of [ __ ] that people do that are dangerous i don't have any problem with it as long as there's no deception my issue with the fallon fox thing was that fallon fox didn't tell these women that she was a male for 30 plus years and it only transitioned for two years and said that it was a medical procedure that she didn't have to say that i say that's nonsense i mean i agree but once she did come out and once everybody knew then the women yeah the women she competed against after that no problem at all i mean it's also but it's also a slippery
slope right because like i feel like a person shouldn't have to come out just to be able to compete but they might have an advantage a physiological advantage of having testosterone running through their body for 30 years and then they get off of it they're going to have significant advantages there's there's advantages in reaction time there's isn't the size of the heart and the lungs bone density yeah there's a lot of you know i think it's bone density is a different one though because in actual uh studies they've shown that in certain african-american women that they have a similar bone density to some european males oh this is obviously dependent upon physical exert like we were talking about your bone density is probably much higher than most because of the amount of weight you lift but there's differences in terms of like what part of the world your ancestors are from true i think like the thing that rubs me like what what i hate to see is like you know take an athlete like laurel hubbard the weightlifter from new zealand that competed at the olympics yeah i get why i get where people could become upset with that right like they feel that she had taken an olympic spot from biological females yadda yadda at the end of the day though she as an athlete is just following the guidelines set forth by the ioc right is the obviously perfect [ __ ] no but this is what's been laid out as acceptable for trans athletes to compete at this level right so the hate is going in her way where maybe people should just take a look at what what should we do in terms of regulations exactly do you think there'll be a time where there's enough trans people to have trans leagues like let's think about it this way if we have we have like in boxing in the olympics we have we never have males compete against females right because we acknowledge that males have an advantage we acknowledge that when we separate them would it be possible to have males females and trans people or is there i think for the small of a population i think one it's a small
population but two the general acceptance of trans people would have to be a lot higher for chance people to be comfortable enough to come out in the first place well it's a lot higher now than it's ever been before absolutely so wouldn't we think that along this would be the time other acceptance like the acceptance of gay people the acceptance of all sorts of other you know religious exemptions where you see like the muslim people wearing the hijabs where they're playing yeah volleyball like that we'll be more tolerant to all sorts of different things in the future i think it also that's like it kind of singles them out in a way yeah but it does make it safe in terms of like biological females being able to compete on a level playing field i think like honestly the ant like i don't know if there's a right answer i i think that's a good answer right like i think because i see both sides of the coin right right biological females there's a spectrum 100 i mean it looks like biological males look at the runner from from africa right but she's intersex she's different she actually has a y chromosome it's a different situation yeah yeah she's like she's i think she has like double x y yeah right so she does produce a certain am i correct about that i believe so but i guess like the issue is where it's like okay like this woman who is a who is a biological woman like does produce higher levels of testosterone yes but that now she's being told she has to take a testosterone blocker to be able to compete to bring it to a certain level right yeah whereas you look like michael phelps was literally praised because he's a physiological anomaly for not producing lactic acid at the same levels of other athletes yeah when they say that though you're talking about a guy who's been training at such a high level how do we not know this is an adaptive measure that his body has taken to deal with the fact that he has this like super high training load and he obvious you've seen him trained he's a
yeah no and like i don't know like again like i'm you know this is just plain devil's advocate like i mean michael phelps achieved more in his career than i can ever imagine um so not a slight to him but it's you know kind of looking at the you know kind of double standard that's being thrown at these athletes yeah it's like i said i don't think there's a right answer i think either way people are going to be pissed it i would like if one day i mean with genetic engineering with what they're doing now with crispr and all these different weird methods of manipulating genes that now they're doing crispr 2.0 so it keeps getting better and better yeah i would envision that sometime within our lifetime you're literally going to be able to become a woman like no hands or butts like there's gonna be a way it's gonna be a way to not just have a surgical alteration and intervene with their bodies with hormones but instead you actually will be transitioning to a woman i mean i think that'd be [ __ ] great i think like even trans people would want that i would hope right like if you gave them the option like if you had like you know the red pill two blue pill with mobius or morpheus if uh one of them was a pill that made you not want to be trans anymore made you happy being a biological male and one of them was a pill that turned you into a woman an actual woman i think which one would you take i think it would be a high percentage of the the trans pill it would be nice if you could try it out for a little while you know can i get a trial trial period you know what i mean but i think i think it boils down to like these you know trans people at their core feel that they are not in the right bodies a lot of them you know it's hard to say all of them correct with anything correct yeah a lot of them feel that well i feel like in that situation red pill versus blue pill majority would go towards just being a biological whatever sex they feel they are yeah i think so too i think so too and then i think there's probably some of them that like and this is fine too there's some of them that like
identifying as a woman but keeping their penis yeah and having sex with it absolutely and this is how they like to live and that should be shouldn't be a problem either good for them yeah when it comes to sports that's just where things get slippery it's it's such a gray area it is and even me being being a professional athlete and a gay man like i think what's funny is like people automatically look to me as like oh you know everything about this entire situation i'm like no man like i'm gay i know about dudes and dudes yeah that's about it well yeah it's a it's a different thing and it's uh it's a thing that we're trying to understand and it's it varies with person to person and i think like we are seeing like great strides in it because more people are feeling comfortable coming out as trans so there is some actual data to grasp onto now where we can start to see better trends and understand things a little bit better i thought it was funny though when caitlyn jenner came out against trans athletes and everybody started hating on her she's such a [ __ ] why is she a [ __ ] because of that or something else i i think honestly i i feel like she doesn't have any moral ground and she just panders whoever she thinks is gonna listen to her it's possible it's not i mean you know just being candid yeah you know certainly i may seem like an [ __ ] for saying that but well she's fairly old too now yeah right and like the world was a different play if you your mind formed back when there was like four tv channels and you were on the wheaties box in the 70s and now you're dealing with the [ __ ] chaos of today's choices absolutely i mean yeah i couldn't i i understand she has gone through some crazy [ __ ] uh to be where she's at i just think she could be going about it a little more tactfully yeah well it's also it's a it's a function of answering a question in a parking lot from tmz yeah that's not great don't do that especially if you're like what why'd you ask me yeah i think they should be uh compete against girls
i don't know it's you can't it's not a good way to answer a question like especially queens a question like that which is a a culturally significant question coming from someone who is genuinely one of the most famous trans people alive yeah if not the mo the most right i would say so yeah the most famous trans person a lot yeah i mean have other people like laverne cox who's known in the actor's world and stuff like that but which i don't know who that is i know she's caitlyn jenner gorgeous yeah laverne cox is i mean i guess because i'm gay i don't know who she is but i'm sure sure she's famous but there's no way she's as famous as caitlyn jenner correct i got a thing so when you are stepping to the queen like that's what it is that's that's the the head honcho of the the the trans world and i think what i think at least the most famous person yeah i think a lot of people also have a lot of issue with her because of her experience has been so much different from the majority of trans people right right right like huge acceptance women of the year immediately vanity fair espn fluff piece yeah they just hand it to her on a silver platter where that is not the experience of the majority of trans people the thing about it is though did it help trans people or did it not like what do you think happened when i think it i think it became really divisive it still is you know i think there's a really big divide of people that are like this is great caitlyn jenner is in the forefront you know she is an out and proud trans woman yeah and then there's other people that are like shut her the [ __ ] up now what is the what's the general consensus about what's going on right now with uh dave chappelle you know i i figured you were going to ask me about it i wasn't going to until we started talking about trans athletes and trans this and here's my thing and i i may be more open-minded and accepting of all this stuff but in my experience dave's been making fun of everybody for forever and including himself oh he doesn't hold back right i mean but did you see the special i did did you think he was making fun of
trans people like in a mean way no i think i i think like over overwhelmingly like the stuff that he says like i don't think is mean-spirited no the thing i have an issue with is when he just says like yeah trans people are just funny to me like i don't think their experience is funny i think it's hard right like i think is that one of the quotes that he said i see i don't know if that was in this one or a previous one but he you know there was one point where he says you know like you know but at the end of the day i just think it's [ __ ] funny and i think like that's honestly out of everything he said that's the only thing i've ever had an issue with um because i don't think uh somebody's struggle is ever funny right um do i think you can make fun of it i'll tell you here's a struggle that's funny one of them pray the gay away preachers okay that's funny come on that's funny yeah that's funny that's really funny because ninety percent of them are still jerking off to gay porn right after they do that exactly 90. isn't it 100 um yeah you know so like to be honest like i really didn't have an issue with any with what he said right i feel like a lot of people didn't actually watch a special they just heard that it's transphobic and they heard just on it the story at the end i've watched him work it out over a year we've been touring together yeah and the story is about a trans woman who he loved who was a very dear friend to his who he actually had opened up for him at one of his shows and he talks about it and and she defended him and then she was dragged by the trans community she wound up committing suicide and it was devastating to him that sucks yeah i mean yeah and that's the thing is like he talks about like how he has gay friends lesbian friends trans friends like he doesn't care he loves everybody he really does if you if you meet him he's one of the most loving and friendly people but here's the thing with dave chappelle if you have a heartbeat he's probably going to try to make [ __ ] fun of you yeah regardless of who the [ __ ] you are yeah you know and i think that's just like people lose sight of that right like for me it's it's comedy yeah right like
everybody's free game yeah and i think my feeling if you like if you just take out that one piece of him just saying like trans people are funny i think to me it changes the context that's really the only thing i've ever had issue with what he said that is the problem with taking any little tiny snippet of comedy out of context because he'll say things and then balance them out like he'll say one thing that makes it look like he's making fun of one person and then making fun of himself later or he'll make fun of himself first and then he'll make fun of them later and it's like it's meant to be taken in in its entirety yeah because it's a it's a vision into his perspective here's the world through my eyes i think the thing is too is like the media obviously doesn't help right because just a couple years ago here he is defending you know george floyd and the george floyd motor talking about that and fox news was trying to cancel him for that now fox news is praising him for this movement yeah you know so i think it's like it just makes it so divisive and it's just so easy because of what he does like it is very in your face and he doesn't hide back he doesn't hide behind anything and he stands up for everything that he says but i think it's just so easy like you said to take four minutes out of a two-hour special and take that for the word that he said well what's crazy about this special in particular that he's getting heat from is that they're not quoting any of it no there's no one thing where they say he should not have said this they're just saying his hateful transphobic special and i'm seeing these people that are tagging on that that i know haven't listened to it or watched it no and they're saying that it's funny like if you go on youtube there's literally like a 25 or 30 minute video of dave chappelle's trans jokes does he have that many trans jokes yeah it's a pretty long one what's the problem is like he keeps defending it right like he keeps getting attacked he makes a trans joke he gets attacked then he defends it and makes more trans jokes then he gets attacked yeah and then the last one is like 20 minutes of a story
about a trans person yes he might not might want to retire that subject yeah i mean it's i think at this point it's low-hanging fruit it i mean but it's still it feels like it's relevant to his life and his experience unfortunately because this is a thing he's dealing with is the uh being attacked for his bits and this for him it's therapy right like that's that's part of the reason why he does this it's also whenever there's a thing that's in the news that becomes like a public subject he he has an obligation to discuss it yeah because he doesn't have a podcast he does but he doesn't really do it that often yeah and it's it's he did like a series of them for luminary but it's this is how he gets his opinions out for sure he gets it out through his comedy yeah i mean i think like i said like at the end of the day like it is what it is i didn't take offense to it you know it's just that one piece that i just wish wasn't there well said all right um unfortunately i gotta wrap this up i gotta get the [ __ ] out of here yeah we've been talking to you brother it's always good to see you thank you man good luck in your rehab and i'm telling you take into account my idea about the bear i'm down for it that'd be fun kill a bear wear skin eat his meat and and wear that skin come out with your comeback bare skin full length coat beautiful all right rob um tell everybody uh your social media where all your stuff is where where people can get ahold yeah easy enough to find me on instagram at worlds underscore strongest underscore gay because of you last time i bought worldstrongestgay.com that is the website so you can find me there um and now you can also find me a new business venture at strongmancorporation.com um anybody feel free to contact me directly or kearney at strongmancorporation.com if you're interested in becoming a part of it i think it's awesome that you're running that thank you i really think it has massive potential too i'm super excited it just needs the right the right place yeah thanks absolutely all right bye everybody peace [Music] you