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[Music] michael mouse has there ever been a person in history it has more support than this fellow brandon let's go brandon it seems like that is the most popular person i've ever come across everyone is in support of this brandon fellow there there's this internet meme about i think his name is kyle uh who drinks monster red bull and puts his fist through drywall is that the is that kyle is that named kyle but brandon um i don't know about kyle kyle's kyle is a white kid who drinks a lot of monster and puts his fists through drywall uh brandon is uh everywhere well i don't know this kyle fell though is this a popular meme oh here it is yeah there it is kyle i was right okay so kyle just punches [ __ ] when he drinks a lot of monster it's so crazy how like something will become popular you know like that one guy the the large fella that's uh sitting on the edge of the bed with his giant [ __ ] hanging over the bed yes that one picture of this fella and his big dick this is the most boomer conversation you know how on the internet jamie these pictures get names and the kids share them how do these pictures come from where do they come from how do these why is it tom cruise laughing i don't understand this is this coordinated it's like it's a conspiracy why are they keep showing michael jordan crying or michael jackson eating popcorn why isn't michael jackson it is amazing like what memes get used and what don't get you it's like that one will just catch fire and just spread through the the lines i'm trying to think of what my favorite meme is uh and there's one that's not a meme it's just a funny picture but what do i use all the time like the one i use is it's not a meme it's a gif when like people on twitter ask me like a bunch of questions in a row in like one tweet i just reply with the riddler because it's all these question marks but that's not that clever particularly what is like some what is the best meme i'm blanking
i can't i can't there's a lot of good ones there's a lot of good ones there's so many good ones i mean it's just the the beauty of it is it's really a new form of comedy you know like internet meme comedy is a new form of comedy and it's a brilliant form of comedy that some people are masters at really like a dave chappelle like their masters like a comic is a master they're masters at this weird new form that's only existed for like 15 years so and the greatest thing is that the establishment figures don't know what to do with this oh this is one of my favorites let me show you this a new one hold on jamie i'm gonna send this to you this is one of my new favorite memes because it's there's just soap there's so many of them but this one is like this is my favorite of the time this is hold on all right send it to you jamie let's see this this is my favorite of today of this i was the one with the with the drinking water the engine coolant was that the one no no no no that's a good one too but that i actually know that yeah yeah this is a this has been around for a while government daddy yeah yeah but that's the npc meme which i explained on this show a few times ago when i was on that this is an npc as well yeah that's they're gray and they have that that that uh oh that's what those those things are okay yeah that's right you did explain that mpc's yeah yeah non-player character for the other boomers i saw someone today on twitter that was ranting in this like vitriolic just nasty rant about unvaccinated people causing the death of colin powell so is that a good thing or a bad thing well here's the deal the guy had blood cancer oh [ __ ] i didn't leukemia no it's a different kind and what is it called yeah it's this very severe form of blood cancer that severely impacts the immune system apparently and might have even rendered
his vaccination ineffective because he was vaccinated so he's double vaccinated i believe yeah yeah whatever that means you know fully vaccinated it's not even fully anymore do you know that six months after the the vaccine some hospitals are not counting you as vaccinated six months after fully vaccinated this comes from some woman that was working at a hospital that was talking about cases of vaccinated versus unvaccinated people that were admitted admitted to the icu and she was saying the people that are in the hospital there in her particular hospital she was saying when someone's been vaccinated six months ago they list them as unvaccinated well that's why they need those boosters in perpetuity right but this is crazy like they are [ __ ] vaccinated and they're listing them in the hospital as unvaccinate and jacking up the unvaccinated numbers but i think it goes the other way that if if the efficacy is only six months they're jacking up the numbers of people who are vaccinated to try to make it seem like only a tiny minority aren't when oh that's 70 or whatever it is some of them are no longer effectively vaccinated yeah that's what i'm saying yeah yeah they're making it seem like the people that are in the hospital are unvaccinated when they're actually vaccinated but they've passed this arbitrary expiration date that this one hospital has put on it but is it arbitrary i thought it has a i thought it has like a half-life well arbitrary in terms of the hospital making the designation right making the distinction that this is an unvaccinated person like there's nowhere else that makes that distinction like the federal government the the airlines like new york city when you go to restaurants all these places that have vaccine mandates the mandate in america in israel now you're considered unvaccinated if you have two shots you know three okay they consider you unvaccinated like israel's rates are through the roof too through the roof meanwhile it doesn't seem to be having an impact the booster doesn't seem to be having an impact except with keith olbermann it seems to be making him [ __ ] crazier did you see how i clowned him so badly it was so fun it was so fun he doesn't know who he's
[ __ ] with he doesn't know he knows now [ __ ] this angry old lesbian it's here's the thing jamie if you go to my likes on my twitter you'll see me side by side what you're saying is rude to angry old lesbians okay there's a lot of angry old lesbians that are really cool fine let's just say he's doing a very bad b arthur impression here's the thing the guy has a resume that can't be beat sportscaster yeah political uh he's got this enormous guy who used to enjoy him and then you single-handedly you and alex make him into an internet laughing stock and he doesn't know what to do about it and he starts yelling about like rogan 80 you rogan you called me mr afraid mr afraid imagine you're sitting in front of a keyboard like what i want to call this [ __ ] let's see what i got here i'm a writer but he's also yelling i'm a journalist he's yelling down to the masses from atop a penthouse on central park like the real estate value that's through the roof well not only that and he's also tagging you because he wants you to engage with him desperately he's thirstiest perhaps yo you have oh here oh yeah but no no he wants to be on the show oh but he's ratings he's ratings poison he doesn't want to be on the show he's i don't know why he's so angry i mean he's angry because weird thing but hold on hold on can i say one thing you know why he's angry because you talk a lot about guy stuff there's something very very sad when you're closer to your nursing home than to your prime and everyone lets you know it if you look at his twitter feed no one has his back everyone just clowns him and he doesn't know how to handle it oh yeah that's the thing yeah he doesn't have a lot of support but that's you know i don't think he has a i think he probably doesn't have a lot of friends yeah but he could go out with dignity he doesn't have to go out like a screaming nobody wants to go out michael malus nobody wants to go out they don't want to go out with dignity they don't want to go out with with hate they don't want to go out sure of course yeah
you're working against the dying of the light right right i mean but it's like these ufc guys who are past their prime and they keep going in there and they become cans right it's like someone needs to sit them down be like your time is done no disrespect to you you're an amazing athlete right it's over yeah look at that [Laughter] this thing you did the choice is clear but the problem is like he's not capable of being silly right like everything's angry and you're being silly when anger is confronted by silliness that doesn't get angry at the anger it makes the anger seem so preposterous well it's kind of like when you have that like hysterical girlfriend and you're sitting there smiling and running and she just gets more and more hysterical and a certain point just becomes funny it's just like it looks you are doing this to your and that is trolling at its purist yes well that's what you do and that's why he's [ __ ] up he made a mistake yeah but i feel bad for him because like also he didn't understand what he's saying when he's saying you're afraid you're afraid you're literally talking to 72 percent of the african-american community yeah like you really think they're all afraid like you this is your your your only perception on this is that they're all scared and afraid like this is his hot take but it's also his advice he goes i wasn't trying to persuade them to get vaccinated he goes i was trying to persuade vaccinated people to yell at the unvaccinate and call them dumb it's like if keith olbermann calls me dumb or a mutton head this is really not going to be skin off my back or going to change my behavior that's not really what it was what it was was a it was a flex to show that he's not scared right he's macho that's why he's yelling at people he's sensible that's why he's putting on his glasses he's letting them know like i shot like here's a video of me getting my shot yeah he's a badass i'm a badass i'm not afraid of myocarditis i'm not afraid of thrombosis i'm not afraid of strokes heart attacks i'm not afraid of what is it pericarditis what's the other [ __ ] he's afraid of aging
and he's afraid of fading into obscurity and it's happening to him and it's it's very unfortunate that he's doing it in this way yeah well you know what man he had something at one point in time like his his fiery dialogue like the way he would write those he would write these speeches you know these these monologues they were very good at one point in time like whatever that was it's like a man at some point in his life has like a certain balance of like passion but hope for the future and you know you have your sex hormones you have you have your your life ahead of you you have like hope and you want to change things and at some point in time things become imbalanced yeah and then you you no longer have hope and then your hormones aren't functioning correctly anymore and now the kids are laughing at you yeah and you don't know why they're laughing at you because you're just doing it whatever all your whole peer group is doing but somehow you're the one being singled out and being clowned constantly he's got a million followers on twitter which is no joke but these are all former like espn or ms nbc people i just passed him in terms of youtube subscribers which i shouldn't be able to do but that just shows that these are like inactive accounts and it's kind of the thing is with when people are that performative about their politics yeah they expect people to stand up and applaud for them right right that's what's the reason to do it and he's not getting that and it must be confusing for him in his dotage well it's a time where you know when the these narratives right when you could sit down and have these monologues it used to be a rare thing you know where someone had the freedom to like write a monologue like that so it was impressive sure but now everyone with a youtube channel can sit in front of a camera and you have these brilliant people that aren't on a platform like msnbc or fox or cbs or whatever they're they're just in their house yeah with a screen behind them like lex is a perfect example right i do why are you laughing well because i we
were talking about it before but also because lexus always makes me smile he's such a sweet kid i love him to death i'm just trying to imagine lexus keith olbermann standing in the balcony you need to get vaccinated joe rogan's a mutton head he's the opposite right his his monologues are all about love and learning and growth and humility and humility yeah yeah and he's becoming huge because of it because of that lex friedman is one of the most respected and interesting commentators on the internet i mean his his internet uh discussions with people are [ __ ] amazing his his david fravor the one with that uh that fighter pilot that encountered that strange craft off the coast of san diego is one of the best interviews i've ever seen in my life i mean he's so good at communicating with people again with humility but the way he discusses things even when they're controversial when you know he feels like something needs to be said the way he says things is never like i am better than you he's a [ __ ] scientist from mit he's also like a brilliant black belt martial artist he's like he's the hardest working person i've ever met he pushes himself so hard and it's and he's he he's so driven but not in an ambitious way but kind of like seizing life by the balls kind of way yes and testing himself yes constantly testing himself and and that humility because of constantly finding his own limitations right he finds his own limitations on a daily basis he's he portrays this this this character that you respect and you appreciate you know he's really like that he's really yeah yeah i hang out with him all the time like he moved in i moved in two doors down from him i love it yeah i know it's [ __ ] hilarious that's the odd couple yeah you guys should have a sitcom it's it i mean it yeah it's i could look out my front door see his house so that's hilarious that's amazing i love that you're here i mean it's so cool there's so many cool people moving to the city
blair white moved in the same day as me rakaraka ali moved here as well he's a music video guy uh i don't miss new york at all like at all and i don't miss california at all either la can eat ass la's gotten worse than new york yeah yeah which is shocking and it's going to get there's no mechanism turned around not only is there no mechanism is there's like a suicide pact to keep the same path and pretend that it's working or pretend it's the only way to do it i remember sometime maybe 15 years ago i was at washington square park looking north of fifth avenue and this is when they were talking about al qaeda having a dirty bomb maybe bringing a suitcase and detonating it and like blowing up new york and i thought to myself if they take out the city take me with it like i can't this is me i've been there since i was two i still don't know how to drive and for watching what they did to new york was has been i've talked about this a lot has been so heartbreaking uh and traumatic and moving was so hard but now that i left i don't miss it at all listen i love new york but i love it to visit you know i was just there i did madison square garden a couple weeks ago it was magic i was like oh my god i'm doing the gardens yeah it's amazing of course and then i couldn't wait to get the [ __ ] out of there yeah it's because all the things that make new york special have been destroyed de blasio ruined everything de blasio did more damage to new york than muhammad it's not even way more way more it's not it's unintentionally and he's going to do a lot of nasty things on his way out there's not even a question what do you think he's going to be able to do i don't know but there's no way like what about cuomo cuomo pardoned that terrorist on his way out so one of the weather what terrorists won the weatherman oh did he really oh yeah oh yeah i didn't know wait a minute i didn't know cuomo governors can pardon people too of course yeah oh i didn't know that partner commute i'm not i'm not exactly sure which but either way yeah he commuted uh the one the weatherman um so he's letting terrorists out of jail but imprisoning uh peaceful people in their own homes uh and not letting them go out
to restaurants don't like something the idea for me as a russian that i got to show a piece of paper to get food from someone right is so against my dna that i was like i'm not doing this well the good thing is you could eat outside which is going to be really fun in january yeah yeah but like all these great like if you walk around park slope which was the neighborhood next to mine like stores that family store has been there since the 70s you know for rent yeah just store after store shut down yeah and they want us all to be part of these giant corporations and have do our shopping through amazon or well even if they don't want that right if that's not yeah that's just what's gonna happen because of these policies if these policies really were put in play to give off the impression that they're protecting people ultimately what they're doing is empowering places like target and walmart and what they're doing is killing mom and pop shops and small businesses yeah and and with no remorse there's not like okay we this is the thing that's so sick about politics uh we bailed out the banks in 2008 but there's not really any talk about like these uh stores that were the staples of their neighborhood that gave a character yeah that made it special it's like not too bad you know it's it's it's disgusting and like shalom japan barely reopened but my favorite place in new york um zenkichi which is basically you go in it's a secret door every every seat's like a japanese it's like a oriental express train car you can have a lot of kids in there they haven't reopened ice and vice which is the best ice cream store in the world they're done so just store after store and if you're opening a restaurant or a boutique or a bookstore why would you do new york now oh for sure look i have i have friends who have restaurants in los angeles and they're talking to me about austin they're like listen man i got to get out of here because they're scared that anything like the flu rolls around the flu rolls around like we already have a precedent that's been set where when something that kills people
um which most diseases kill a certain amount of people because some people are very very vulnerable and when something can kill people now they already have a precedent set where the government can come in and dictate whether or not you can be open and whether or not your business can function and and make it so that people no longer have the choice as to whether or not they would like to just take a chance and go to a restaurant because the flu is around now you no longer have the chance because big daddy government is going to look after you and i have a friend whose brother works for the state and he's a part of this whole covid commission and told him point blank they were having a conversation about in los angeles about closing outdoor dining and he said but there's been no transmission ever connected to outdoor dining and the woman who wound up closing everything down said it's about the optics well it's also but imagine thousands of restaurants they're [ __ ] barely hanging on after the pandemic and someone comes along and has the [ __ ] balls or ovaries to say it's about the optics and they're just gonna shut down what about the wait staff right who are not making good what about the busboys illegal aliens working in the kitchen everybody there there's no remorse or concern for their chefs right like put their heart and soul into creating this menu and the business owners that have financed this and it's [ __ ] crazy but what this has done is allowed uh educated urban people who live in a state of anxiety neurosis and fear to have an external reason for their state of mind it's not that i'm messed up it's right that i'm a neurotic it's that everyone is living under the gun so it's appropriate that i'm living in this state i don't have to look inward i can look outward now kova is obviously a very big deal a lot of people have died but it doesn't explain their extreme sense of terror they're more scared of getting kovid then of having kovid yes because in their heads if they get covered that means that they've done something wrong yeah moral superiority right here's another meme hold on i'll send you this one jamie
this one i gotta go into my meme folder do you have a mean folder yeah i have a meme folder yeah look i'm not lying why would i lie i don't live that's one thing that i don't do it's not necessary and it just gets in the way this is uh this is one of my favorite and this is something uh completely relevant sent to you jamie yeah this this anger about this i think you're dead right about the anxiety levels that these people had already i mean some of these people are already [ __ ] completely insane and falling apart just based on life and then something comes along and they're like now everybody has to be like this so as people were yeah yeah they wanted you to die that's what i love though already recovered huh that's exactly what happened yeah because for the longest time i was saying i don't think i'm worried about this and people would get angry at me and then i get it and i recover quickly and then they're even more angry right because you were a bad person you should have consequences for it bad person for literally being healthy my whole life bad person for working on it constantly spending a [ __ ] ton of money to stay healthy for being skeptical of the corporate narrative the fact that you're calling them and here's a question that that i would love to have answered if social distancing was efficacious in terms of cover transmission why aren't we doing it again no one's talking about it and if it didn't work why do we do to begin with did you see the president and uh his wife walk through that restaurant today yes of course where there's a mask mandate yeah but it's it's rules for the not for me that's their that's their principle with everything that is it gavin newsom we caught him you know all there was there's a super cut of all these politicians who were just doing this hypocritical stuff bayer of san francisco recently got busted doing it rasheeda tlaib you know she even said on camera she's like oh the republicans are here so i have to put the mask on kind of thing it's just but this is this is why i'm so excited
about social media because if it wasn't social media you wouldn't be able to call these people in their crap and have there was that footage in um was it wisconsin or minnesota where the k where the the reporter had a mask and the cameraman didn't and people just put up their cell phones and they filmed it and so it was up on twitter before the footage was up on the news station do you think that anything would be do anything it works both ways though that it's also accelerating this sort of this chaos too oh i love isn't that great it's yeah but it's also i know you love that i do oh i love it i know you do but don't you think that it's also like what what would it be like if there was no social media in terms of the hyperbole in terms of like the everything getting uh blown into this wild anxiety-ridden frenzy don't you think that it ex the social media also accelerates all of the anxiety i think he does both things i think it it it i think it's bifurcating things there's two populations right there's the popular and we know what it would look like without social media because it was after uh it was the iraq war because there really wasn't social media to that extent in 2001 2002 and the drumbeat for war was incessant and if you were saying we shouldn't go into iraq at the time it was much harder to get a message out uh colin powell who as you just said passed away earlier today just went on the floor of the u.n and said us not only does sudam have weapons mass destructions he's about to launch them there wasn't really this kind of way to show contempt and have a parody like if you go on facebook if you go on twitter to go on youtube a new york times account and a random jerks account look basically the same so they do have that even playing yeah you didn't have that before social media did you see that cnbc had a paid tweet by pfizer i i mean a paid tweet to promote pfizer but they're promoting advisor for free yeah but but a paid tweet okay but there's something about that where you have an organization that's responsible for the news right and they tweet something and then it
says tweet paid for by fives yeah but joe that's so transparent but that's good because before they would be in pfizer's pocket and you wouldn't know about it because you think they're being objective oh no i agree it's good to see it because it confirms your suspicions but it's also crazy they're not even high here i'll send it to you but here's another question i'd like ask people on ask your facebook friend do you think the pharmaceutical companies have an incentive to force everyone to be their customer and of course they do yeah look at that paid post by fire wow messenger rna a groundbreaking technology has immense portrayal behind fighting infectious disease this is how it works paid post by pfizer meanwhile one of the gentlemen who created the uh mrna vaccines says it should never be used in a in a pandemic wow have you seen that i have not talked about it yeah he was interviewed by um jimmy dore yeah he's great it's a long conversation where they they discuss mass vaccinations during a pandemic and this guy i don't know if he's right or wrong i'm not a scientist but this guy is very uh just an equestrian yes i'm a horse i'm basically a horse centaur [Laughter] again sorry for being healthy sorry yeah sorry it's fascinating though the ex exposing of mainstream media that's one thing that we're very happy about don't call them mainstream because they're not mainstream right this show is more mainstream yes it's the corporate press it's more mainstream by a factor of 10. of course which is pretty crazy but it's also funny how they will do everything in their power to make you seem like you should be dismissed and not taken seriously right yeah but it's not working no that's what's fascinating but this this framing of uh like ivermectin as horse medicine was i'm in in some ways i'm really happy that they did it to me because they couldn't have the audience yeah just blast back did you see that super cut yes just one after another them laughing yeah yeah hilarious it's but also this is what's interesting they kept saying that i for me first of all it's like you called your dealer you had it prescribed
right so when they say it's not approved it's not like you are using your own judgment you're using the judgment of a medical professional which is what they've been yelling for a year and a half listen to the experts well not only that i listed off a laundry list of medications and that's the one they focused on right i said i took monoclonal antibodies i said i took prednisone i said i took zpac i said i had iv infusions of nadn of vitamins and i also took ivermectin i mean it should be no surprise i had dr pierre corey who is one of the doctors from the front line critical covid care group that has been treating people including by the way 200 congress people have been treated with ivermectin for kovit did you know they did not know that holy crap google that 200 i believe you could probably find it in dr pierre corey's uh twitter page yeah before there were vaccines this was a common treatment an off-label treatment for covid now i do not know what the motivation for demonizing this this particular medication is again i'm not a doctor and i'm not a scientist but i would imagine some of it has to do with money the reason being is that it is a generic drug now they've the patent has run out so anybody can make it and it's worth like 30 cents a dose now merck has its own anti-viral that's supposed to do the same thing that they claim ivermectin does as does pfizer they're both about to release it i don't know if that's why the fda is making snarky tweets about it being veterinary medicine but i do know that it was used for humans for [ __ ] years before they ever started using it for animals and i also do know that there is a massive amount of medications that have veterinary applications including penicillin well joe it's like me calling child protective services because my neighbor was feeding her baby cat food and by cat food i mean milk yeah i mean it's it's insane like i'd say dogs take xanax and all these other things so wait a minute dogs take xanax yeah people have like anxiety ridden dogs of course i guarantee is the person or cats yeah come over my house my dog is lazy i know i bet you're riding my marshmallow
yeah he's a sweetheart he doesn't need xanax because he's just [ __ ] he's a dog he's chill yeah yeah um but actually some people get rescue dogs i should take that back because i did have a dog that had anxiety because i got her when she was two or maybe it's an older dog it's a puppy and the dog doesn't know what to do there's situations yeah yeah yeah um but i don't think it's necessarily about the money so much it's it's about obedience because they're the ones who are promulgating how everyone has to act and then you have this guy from austin over here this comedian uh telling people there's another way and the science isn't as settled and all of a sudden their sense of authority is diminished because when you have choices that means that person who wants to be the one to go to no longer is the one who has all the answers well this is what is so funny about that they don't understand that when they say things that are absolutely untrue it diminishes their authority they they're not even aware of what they're doing like they have an alternative when don lemon goes on with sanjay gupta and says actually it really is a veterinary medicine it really is this was the lie he goes it's not a lie to say it's also used as horse medicine that's not what you said that's what you said you didn't say this drug which also is used for horses of what relevance is that it doesn't have any relevance is that exactly what you're talking about with penicillin and and with like a gigantic number of medicines that also have veterinary applications but by doing that you just you just prove my point they don't even understand what they just did you think no one's like it's going to end with you see because it used to be that way they would say something and no one would have recourse do you know what this is when you're saying something and then the person you're saying it about has literally 10 times the audience you do you dumb [ __ ] do you know what you did you just proved my point but do you know what this is like this demon you and i are old enough to remember uh the wwf right so you had the
wwf and then you had the nwa which is the alternative wrestling organization which was much smaller and you'd have the wrestlers come over from nwa to wwf and they pretended these people came out of nowhere and then one time they brought over ric flair and bobby hean and held up ric flair's belt and this was their first acknowledgement of this other organization and here's the other thing to look at nwa just had to change the channel it's not like it was existing in some weird netherworlds in other words but this is how they want to construct reality that you not you don't listen to joe you listen to don lemon telling you what joe says and you don't have that independent way to inform yourself they need better people they need people that are respected because it's not that cnn is beyond repair i think they're beyond repair i don't think they are look i know jeff zucker the head he's a nice guy i know jeff i worked for him okay when i worked at an nbc when i was the host of fear factor jeff zucker was the president of nbc he's a great guy it's just they're it's like everything else these people are managing at scale but you you can't allow people to say things that are absolutely untrue when you have a [ __ ] news organization and it's not about my feelings though joe rogan's feelings are hurt like i like it when my feelings get hurt how about that yeah i like it i hurt my own feelings like there's not a [ __ ] human being that's a worse critic of me than me right that's not what the problem is a challenge accepted the look on your face you are the ultimate troll you should [ __ ] for sure have a crown for sure have like the king of trolls yeah and wear that you should wear that with certain posts but dude i disagree with you because when you're saying that you can't just have people lying we're all taught in high school about yellow journalism and the spanish american war and they lied to get us into that then there's a record scratch and they pretend that they're objective they've been lying for a very very long time here's another very easy example we were told that unless we have boots in the ground in syria which means american troops dying the kurds are going to be
exterminated from the face of the earth right this is another genocide all the boots weren't on the ground the kurds were not exterminated the story vanished from the headlines and none of those people advocating for war who were claiming if we don't do this it's going to be genocide had any consequences for their lies you're 100 right i'm gonna i'm going to send you something jamie because this is also uh something that i want to say this is one of the reasons why i think sub stack is so [ __ ] amazing uh and that's why they have to demonize it because it's an end run around their exactly but this is like this is what uh glenn greenwald is using and matt tybee is using and barry weiss is using uh i want to play this this is um uh barry on tons of millions give it from the beginning play it from the beginning yeah there we go you're right there are tens of millions of americans who aren't on the hard left or the hard right who feel the world has gone mad this is brian stelter and barry white well you know when you have the chief reporter on the beat of kovid for the new york times talking about how questioning or pursuing the question of the lab leak is racist the world has gone mad when you're not able to say out loud and in public that there are differences between men and women the world has gone mad when we're not allowed to acknowledge that rioting is rioting and it is bad and that silence is not violence but violence is violence the world has gone mad when we're not able to say that hunter biden's list is a story worth pursuing the world has gone mad when in the name of progress young school children as young as kindergarten are being separated in public schools because of their race and that is called progress rather than segregation the world has gone mad there are dozens of examples that i could share with with railing now look at him look at him yeah you say we're not allowed we're not able who's the people stopping it's you you [ __ ] um people let work at networks frankly like the one i'm speaking on right now to try and claim that you know it was it was
racist to investigate the lab league theory it was i mean who said that but i'm just saying though when you say allowed i just think it's a provocative thing you say you're saying okay i can't take his voice but this is where mark dice doesn't impression him no he has these videos of brian stealth who goes it's ryan stelter i really gotta go into the movies and look at this he just dubs over it i think a lot of these folks don't have friends and they they don't have this sort of like this feedback loop but i think it's a circle journal you think yes it's just they're friends with each other well yeah right right right but i mean you got i think friends are like your diet it has to be varied you know and of course to be nutritious i love it having friends who call me my [ __ ] yeah it's important they do it once it's important once but it's important to get it once duly noted click block delete holy [ __ ] he's been watching my stuff yeah it's um these are extraordinary times but because barry weiss used to work at the new york times and decided enough of this [ __ ] and has the the courage and the principles to leave and now she's got over a hundred thousand people on her sub stack and please subscribe to her sub stack because it's excellent she's and she's a lefty yes she's left hardcore left they are even with this um uh what do you call it um covet stuff and vaccine stuff they're still trying to make it about trump and that if you're not getting the vaccinated because you're a trump supporter which has a complete non-sequitur right but they're so if you they're so focused on creating their own uh uh little narrative that anything outside that really they don't know how to engage well they have a playbook and it's it's only like two pages long and one of them is somebody has to be the bad guy and the bad guy you know when it comes to this covet stuff there's anybody who questions the narrative right anybody who goes over the data and finds flaws in it anybody who has some sort of an alternative perspective you're the bad guy and you're trump you know and that's what this is
due to me yeah that's what this is all about this this weirdness that's going on and when someone like barry wise who you can't put in that box goes on cnn and just says something more sensible and more poignant than anybody who's ever [ __ ] said anything on that network when when that happens you realize you got a problem because the great minds are not there the people that are saying things that are important and critical and crucial to our understanding of why we're so [ __ ] right now they're people like barry weiss they're the people that go on these networks and say hey this is [ __ ] madness and when you what's madness what's wrong who says that no one on cnn it's really funny when he says who's saying that when they literally put on the screen the new york times saying it exactly not only that but like he's saying who's stopping people from saying that while you're talking over cnn threatened to sue someone for making a meme of trump wrestling the cnn logan logo really yes you didn't know this no they made a meme of a guy trump wrestling they put cnn's logo and they try to find out who it is and they said we still reserve the right to sue you do not that's who's stopping you do not tell my legal team about this because they're ready to go well it's not like they listen to this show let me see this article cnn threatens lawsuit meme this was a while ago it's not hilarious sorry it's not hilarious at all when you're threatening as a giant corporation are threatening some kid in his mom's basement in this case it's probably literally true with a lawsuit for making a clearly humorous wrestling mean meme you are the evil corporations in every 80s dystopian sci-fi movie are we sure this isn't just some lawyer who works at cnn who oversteps his bounds you could find the exact squad i would like to know you can find the exact quote i thought it's the pr person who said this that well that pr person is crazy they're not crazy they're smart because they know they have the power and they're going to use it but they're crazy in that now we know about it because it became international story effect in the world exactly yeah this
triceraton effect is beautiful it really is it's a beautiful thing and it's the it's a thing about the internet like if people don't know the streisand effect would you please explain how it happened with our house sure there was some picture of i remember exactly of basically a bunch of houses on the beach she has this massive house i think like over on a bluff malibu i think it was yeah and someone somewhere just identified oh this barbra streisand house she tried to she sued it and they had no views she sues him or threatens lawsuit it blows up and as a consequence of her trying to keep it hidden it became 100 times more visible than it would have been otherwise if she just kept her mouth shut and let it blow over none of this would have happened yeah well every [ __ ] famous bird this is a crazy thing like once the internet happened i think she's legacy media right she didn't understand it yeah yeah i was like when you know barbra streisand is a thousand years old when she was a kid and you know and super popular the everything was controlled those are the days when lyndon johnson used to take a [ __ ] with the door open and talk to the press when everybody knew that kennedy was having affairs and no one said anything this is a different world and then you know you didn't publish the address of people who were you know considered celebrity royalty like barbra streisand is celebrity royal for sure right she's uh did she want to ask her i think she's she's she's an egot she's got all four of them yeah she's got everything so she's she's literally like legacy royalty and for her to say this like you can't show a picture of my house everybody's like what house yeah oh barbra i want to see barbara's house where's this house yeah yeah yeah dude i mean my house was formed under an ll or i bought my house under an llc i did all this stuff to hide it and we were they were all talking about don't worry it'll be private and i started laughing yeah i was like i go private i go this there's no private anymore of course that [ __ ] doesn't exist but did you find it jamie yes and well sort of cnn cnn's version of what they said happened
which is why i know but like i shouldn't there's no not a lot of artists right after they have a pop-up this is racist deconstructed what the [ __ ] does that even know but if you just look for something in threads lawsuit okay sorry i did there's a bunch of people like trump threatening lawsuits to cnn that was taking over all of the search there you go this is another site that talked about what happened but i don't have the story but let's go for the independence says cnn accused of blackmailing reddit user behind trump's wrestling meeting and there's the meme it's clearly a joke it's a they put a cnn logo over a person's head right right any assertion that the network coerced or blackmailed the user is false says cnn well maybe it is false well so that's why i went to what cnn had and they actually like it goes deeper into the person that they talk to and then this who's a person on reddit wrote these apologies which then seems that's a little like i don't see anybody on reddit really ever doing that it may have happened but that's not typical for listen what he says well he might have been joking he says first of all i'd like to apologize to the members of the reddit community for getting this site and this sub embroiled in controversy that should have never happened it should never have happened he wrote i would also like to apologize to the post the to oh for the post that were racist bigoted and anti-semitic i am in no way this kind of person i love and accept people of all walks of life and have done so for my entire oh he probably got contacted at work of course he didn't said they almost docked they basically they talked to him trying to find out hey go back go back please um i'm not the person that the media betrays me in real life me to be in real life i was trolling and posting things to get a reaction from the subs that ready that's the thing that people have to understand about like reddit and 4chan and all that stuff these people are having fun and they're saying things that are wildly inappropriate because they're wildly inappropriate and anonymous right they're this is not their actual feelings on this subject when you read something and you see a frog with a
hitler helmet on it's not that you're anti-semitic it's that it's ridiculous to do but cnn was saying this meme was them was him calling for violence against cnn that's a lie but did they really say that openly that's what we need to find out yes because cnn said if you search for the words cnn reserves the right i'm pretty sure you'll find where they're threatening to lawsuit well it says this on this part it says cnn reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change oh my god what they were knocking should any of what change any of what change this is on cnn yeah this is that's what i was trying to say like it was that's why i would use their words hold on cnn is not publishing uh this gentleman uh name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology for that [ __ ] nonsensical meme can you show the meme can you show how silly it is but let's go to hold on showed his remorse by saying he has taken down oh my god all his affairs this is on cnn so joe the last sentence is most important his statement could serve as an example to others to not to do the same yeah if you make fun of us yes we're going to find out who you are but we're going to dox you but also before that look at this and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again yeah and then it also says cnn reserves to right to publish his identity should any of that change holy [ __ ] that's a threat of course it's a threat that is awful but they also reserve the right i'm i'm 99 sure to sue him please post that meme again because the meme is so innocuous and what year is this this is like that you can see the very top in the url okay so that isn't it crazy that the world has changed that much in four years because it really has how so i mean they're still pulling this [ __ ] this yeah but they would never say they would never say anything like this anymore yes they would i don't think oh in a second i don't think they would i don't they said worst about you yeah but i think the podcast no they haven't no they haven't by saying i took horse medication
i mean they're trying to make you out to be a clown and they see gupta called this the lion's den like you're some kind of antagonistic listen gupta is a nice guy let me let me let me clarify this because this is important because gooped is getting attacked sanjay gupta is a neurosurgeon he's a guy who worked literally like a [ __ ] 110 hours a week for years and years and years to becoming neurosurgeons sure he's a socially awkward introverted guy who's a medical pundit on cnn right when he's communicating with them and he's doing these like short form conversations when he's dealing with like a powerful personality like don lemon it's very difficult to get your point across one of the things that he's been accused of that is not correct is that people said that he agreed that it was a veterinary medicine that's not what he agreed what what don lemon said don lemon said that it was also used as a horse dewormer and it's not approved by the fda for use for covid and he said that's correct that's what what he meant was it's not a proof of covet he tried to talk and don interrupted him and he actually called me and we had a conversation about this okay he's not a bad guy he's a very good guy but he's also a guy that is a real practicing neurosurgeon right so he's insanely busy and he's not up on all this propaganda you don't think he got i don't know about that i don't know so i'm asking from a place of ignorance not a place of gotcha do you not think that they gave him a call after this show and said you got to go on don lemon to do damage control um i think they invited him to go on don lemon's show and talk about it for sure of course he also went on aaron brown yeah and they if they had their druthers they would ignore you and they don't have that option the aaron burnette one is hilarious oh i haven't seen that because i said to him because he said you should get a vaccine even though you've already had cover and i said why would i do that i said you should get covet i go you'd have real protection and aaron burnett apparently i haven't seen that have you seen it go to his apparent my wife said it is a comedy sketch she goes it's so hilarious she
goes it's bad acting like soap opera acting she goes like do you think he really wanted you to get covered like i haven't seen it so we should watch it together in real time but it's but that is worse than what they said with this they're saying if they're implying that you want him to get covered that's really bad i do think you should get covered but you don't want him to get covered in the sense that you hope he i hope you get sick no i i think it would be good for his immune system you want him to get covered and get healthy not get covered and die 100 i love that guy i really do i i really love him i think he's a really nice guy i really do i really really do i'm a fan of sanjay gupta as a person i've had uh many chances to talk to him i'm gonna send you something else jamie that's important um i like him like uh my uh my dealings with him uh whether it was on the show or no i can't wait i can't wait i can't wait let me hear this yeah passed if you're like 21 years old no no no this is not me this is going to be vaccinated this is not what i want but go go to the part this is all just old stuff does me and him talking yeah go ahead hit it there vaccinate it you're trying to think a lot about a lot of vulnerable people yeah if you just said vulnerable people yeah a lot of their people fat people i think a lot of those folks my real concern is this urge to vaccinate children yeah and i don't know what kind of data we have on the long-term effects of this and i don't know what kind of data when you look at this study that shows that the 12 to 15 year old boys are four to six times more likely or what is that the number was it whatever the number was much more likely that's scary thankfully it's really small numbers period right period all right is sanjay is with me now and sanjay of course is also the author of the new book world war c lessons from the covet 19 pandemic and how to prepare for the next one so sanjay look i think this is really important because joe rogan is listened
to and popular with a lot of people who aren't consuming mainstream media and mainstream science right so you went hold on pause pause pause how the [ __ ] does she know that yeah but here just but hold on a second i'll tell you this is nonsense i'll tell you how she knows it framing this narrative that the unpopular people that don't consume mainstream media here's how i know just the math if you have a million viewers and they have a thousand then you have 999 000 people who aren't consuming them that's just math okay i see what you're saying not consuming them yeah but but that's not real because okay if that's mainstream media but mainstream media has thousands of options they're trying to make it out that right people either listen to them or are crazy right that's the framing but meanwhile we've already we've already proven that they're deceptive with this whole horse dewormer [ __ ] at best i can give you another example play it again yes and to talk to people who listen to him you talked to him for more than three hours so what was the main reason that you made the decision to do that yeah i think it's exactly that aaron i mean it's a secret can we pause this i'm sorry for a couple can we pause this the main this is not a knock on him but isn't it clear that the main reason he was here was to sell his new book that um no i invited him here no but his because his book just launched and more power to him i hope people buy it yeah but here let me let me explain how it all went down we have a mutual friend um our mutual friend reached out to me and said sanjay gupta would like to connect with you and i said real was this recently it was a month or so okay and i said really and he goes yeah he goes sanjay gupta listens to your podcast all the time and he's a fan of the show and he wants to talk to you so i say okay so we connect exchange a couple text messages and then we make a phone call and the phone call is like 45 minutes long and one of the things that he said is i love the fact
that you have this camaraderie with all your friends and he goes it's a really wonderful thing to see i really enjoy your conversations he goes i think you're very open-minded and curious person yeah i think that's really interesting and we have this really fun talk there's never a discussion of him doing my podcast okay it was just fun talk and then he says i would love to have dinner with you and i said i would love to have dinner with you too and i told him that i really respected the way he altered his opinion on marijuana when confronted with new data and we we we had a great conversation and then he reaches out and um tells me that you know he's going to be in austin a certain amount of time you know at a certain point in time and i said i can't do that time i go but listen if you ever want to come in and do the podcast i mean if you like the podcast i'd be i'd love to have you on i'd love to talk to you and he said let me see if i can do that yeah so yeah yeah yeah and so and then he says would you be willing to be on cnn as well and i said [ __ ] no i said i don't want to be honest because i'm not i'm worried about editing yeah you know i just and they've already done it they did it with these these clips and this is exactly what i was worried about and it's not he's not an editor it's not in his hands and they need you more than you need them well i didn't think about it that way i'm just like i just don't trust editing i just don't because it's like long form is where it's at you know and it's one thing that clip edited like these clips of me and sanjay having disagreements about whether it's about horse dewormer or whether it's about uh children being vaccinated these are like 10 minute clips and they're not edited not by me right these are long ass clips i think that's fair but these what they do on cnn they take like 30 second sound bites so i'm like you should get coveted you know yeah i hope you get covered sanjay so play it on though keep playing now i think we talk about this obviously on on your program on cnn all the time but there's there's a lot of people who still aren't
getting the message and i i don't know i maybe it was a silly idea of mine but i wanted to go talk if i think if you're serious about public health you've got to go reach people who aren't typically hearing these messages and i think it's joe i also felt that joe was willing to have a dialogue i mean we had talked on the phone a couple of times he wanted to have this conversation so i thought there was room for a real dialogue out of which maybe some new some new knowledge for his listeners could come so i played part of the vaccination conversation but as i said it was three hours so it wasn't the only time you tried to convince rogan to get vaccinated i wanted to play another instance during an exchange that you had when you you guys were talking about immunity to covid testing is obviously testing you to see if you have the virus the therapeutic is to treat you because you have the virus yes i still think it'd be better not to get the virus i think it'd be better to get the virus and recover and have amazing immunity to it like wouldn't it be well you could get sick you know what i think you should do i think you should get vaccinated and then get sick this is why because then you got the vaccine protects you from a bad infection and then you get coveted so then you get the robust immunity that's imparted from having the actual disease itself which is far more complex and comprehensive than you're getting from the vaccine that targets one specific protein right you could make that argument i think yeah so that's the move all right get vaccinated let it wane and hang around with a bunch of dirty people okay well i i then get a lot of therapeutics on hand so you can take care of it quickly i will see your recommendation and do it and give you one you come out with us last night you probably would have caught it i almost did now i know now i know what your secret plan was no no but but what but uh so now so for you joe rogan yes i would say you've had it yes and now get one shot
of the vaccine no why not because i have better immunity than i would if i was vaccinated well here we go okay so sanjay i mean as many times you try to explain that i mean the obvious things of nobody knows how long that natural immunity lasts from person to person and of course it would only be better if you had the vaccine on top of it all of these basic facts do you feel like basically you broke through or that he will ever embrace the vaccine i i really i don't think so i mean you know i hate to say that but he just was very steadfast in this and when i cited him data saying hey look there is the the people who have natural immunity people who have vaccinated immunity and while they the natural immunity may be strong for a period of time reinfection rates are twice as high among people who have natural immunity versus vaccinated i don't think that's true stop stop stop stop stop stop i don't think that's true did he say that to you on the show no he did not i don't and if he did i would have challenged him i don't i don't only heard that before he got away do i not believe that's true but people who have been vaccinated have had breakthrough cases and died i think the number of people who have had coveted twice and died on the second time is incredibly small i was reading an article about this recently where they were trying to find instances of people who caught covid survive got the antibodies and then died on the second case everyone that i know i know four people that have i know 13 people now that breakthrough cases so another thing that he said during the show that i didn't challenge he said that breakthrough cases are incredibly rare they're not incredibly rare with time dependent let's call him powell's breaking news but he obviously has a different situation because he had cancer but i know 13 [ __ ] people that have had breakthrough cases kayla had it peterson did she yes breakthrough case yes yeah um the number of people that have gotten coveted and recovered and then had it again and then died is so small not only that they think that
there was an article that published recently and i know i'm giving you a lot to google jamie that that said that there was a study that they believe that the antibodies imparted from natural infection are not only more robust they're six to 13 times better based on the israeli study of 2.5 million people 6 to 13 times better than the the immunity that's imparted from the vaccine but this study from this uh when they were dealing with sars they're showing people that have immunity cove one right the original one that it's better it's it's better it's not just better than the vaccine but people have immunity from sars that have recovered from it 18 years later like this article that was recently published with this study they were saying they believe that it imparts lifetime immunity it may impart lifetime immunity so what she's saying we don't know how long because it sounds well know well here's another thing we do know johnson and johnson there was an article about the johnson johnson i'm giving you too much to google well i want to pause it i found uh a recent artist of september coven 19 antibodies persist reduce reinfection up to six months study fines and the problem is that it's like did not differ significantly over the six-month period okay the antibodies ability to neutralize covet 19 did not differ significantly over the six-month period problem is dealing with we have a limited amount of time right we only have 18 months of people even having this disease but here's what we do know if they did not differ significantly the vaccine did differ significantly massively in fact the johnson johnson find this one it went from 88 to 3 in six months that's [ __ ] why well they always talk about how you need boosters so this is not even in dispute that the vaccines are limited i i was in the impression and again i'm not sanjay i'm not a doctor that once you have it you're set for a very long time in terms of antibodies yeah i thought that was not in dispute it's not in dispute except it's cnn and this is why it's a problem and when she's saying that the people that listen
to this podcast don't consume mainstream media maybe that's why maybe what you just did is why here it is the researchers found that among more than 600 yeah 600 000 veterans the j vaccines protection fell from 88 in march to 3 in august it looks pretty good modernist vaccine protection against infection fell to 64 from 92 percent pretty [ __ ] good and pfizer's declined to 50 from 91 percent has the most side effects because it's the most potent okay um so the thing is that johnson johnson is the least potent and fauci has said recently that they should have probably made the johnson johnson for two doses not for one but it's also the way they discuss the vaccine there's several vaccines and they're trying to act as if these are interchangeable and that data is clearly showing the opposite well exactly they are they're clearly showing that that's the opposite and they're also clearly showing a decline what we know about the decline and we also know that there's no decline at least in six months with natural immunity yeah so she's she's saying this can we i don't know how much research she's done i don't want to give aaron burnette a hard time i don't know how much research she's done i know she's probably got a narrative that she's been given by producers if you don't have research don't say it's a fact just say as far as i know or my understanding is because you have a doctor there who can correct you yes that's her job to be like look why is the medical correspondence there if you don't know michael you've done a lot of these shows and i think part of and this is again i i don't i have no disagreement with aaron burnett i i think the problem is these goddamn short form shows this is no way to discuss something that's incredibly nuanced and very difficult to discuss and very important and you're dealing with the differences in there's so many variables in terms of age in terms of immune systems health there's so many factors that we need to take into consideration when we're talking about people that get sick but i disagree with you because it's not a short-form thing like you said i've done a lot of these shows and a lot of times i'm talking on my ass so what i make
sure to say is it is my understanding or as far as i know or i was under the impression that you coach it in those terms so the person listening be like this is my opinion and i'm not completely informed she is saying these are this is her quote basic facts that's a very different way of framing what she's saying well also when she's saying that you're not going to talk him into getting the vaccine i don't [ __ ] need the vaccine did you understand i've recovered from kovalev why is it so important for her to have him talk you into taking this vaccine because this is the narrative right this is the mainstream narrative and they know that if they say it that way they won't receive any criticism except for from fringe people like me right but if they say it any other way then people will come down on them and call them an anti-vaccine right they're calling [ __ ] eric clapton an anti-vaxxer he's accidentally racist did you see the rolling stone did i i didn't see what rolling stone did but i saw what the la times did the rolling stone i believe was rolling stone had an arc about a history of eric clapton's racist remarks so as soon as he pushes back the narrative they go digging and now he's a racist what did he say that they said was racist i didn't read the article well the rolling stone also printed a completely fake story about gunshot victims in oklahoma oh yeah yeah yeah needing to wait to get into the er because there were so many people that were overdosing on horse medication and didn't which is a [ __ ] total lie not only that the amount of ivermectin you would need to take to have an overdose is [ __ ] massive but joe didn't they also have a picture of people lining up outside wearing winter coats in oklahoma and the article was in the summer yes yeah in oklahoma in [ __ ] august yeah it's so dumb it's so dumb dumb because if you were raised to look at these people as arbiters of truth you would never think to question them well rolling stone is a weird thing because it's more of a culture magazine than it is anything right but they're venturing into this click bait world and that's what this is this is click bait i don't think it's clickbait at all i don't think they expect people to click on
that headline i think they just want to pass the narrative they're not expecting you to read that article about eric cotton said that was racist they're expecting you to think eric clapton equals racist equals bad well maybe that maybe the eric clapton thing but i think they do want you to click on it because that's where they make their money they're not expecting money they're instant power oh i don't think that's the truth rolling stone with rolling stone magazine i i have a a deep respect for journalism and i have a deep sympathy for the times they're in because no one is buying print anymore right right everyone's consuming everything online sure the only way to get clicks is to i have friends that are journalists that tell me their editors tell them this that you have to even if you're being deceptive in your headlines and maybe sometimes they will submit something with one headline and they'll it'll be changed but yeah they often don't write their own headlines right exactly it'll be changed i've had that happen that's that's the issue and they're trying to get as many people to click on it as possible and if they can do it by being deceptive it can make a difference if 10 15 clicks which is huge or maybe even more they're they're [ __ ] starving right there's no one paying for this [ __ ] no one's paying for journalism very few i pay for a few but very few people are paying to subscribe to the new york times or the washington post or rolling stone they're just get consuming things online and they have an abundance of options and there's so many options to get people to click on things you have to make it inflammatory you have to make it outrageous i but i also think making an inflammatory gives them power because if you're the one who's getting an emotional reaction of a person you're creating a bond with them i i see your point but i don't think that's the motivation i think the motivation is not power it's finances i think they're trying to make money they're trying to make money in a dying business if they were trying to make money they would have changed their tactics over the last few years and they haven't they've just been doubling down on that which is destroying them thank
god yeah but click bait is a good tactic if you want to get people to click on your stuff but but you're if it's working then why are they dying well they're dying because they're just in a bad market but that's just an excuse like every market's bad if you every market is good or bad doesn't mean the individual organization is going to do well or poorly i think the only people that are thriving in this market are the matt tybees and the glen green walls and the barry weisses who are independent who have low overhead and have moved to sub stack yeah those are the people that are thriving because people are like someone or the alex berenson someone please tell me the truth tell me the truth tell me but this is also why people who are work at these kind of institutions like uh um they do not have it in them to have people attract them on a personal level so they have to repeat the party line because someone who works for let's suppose reason magazine isn't going to be someone who's podcast you're going to want to listen to or the sub stack you're going to subscribe maybe maybe they are you know i mean like look there's a lot of individuals that work for these organizations they're kind of trapped inside of these of course yeah because that's the only way they get status and stature because they have that credential if they were in some sub stack or in the free market no one's going to listen to what they have to say or they started out 20 years ago and it was a viable option right 2001 that was the way to go hell yeah i look at the new york times my parents brag about me my friends dude i used to deliver it just because it was a cool thing to deliver really you know yeah yeah you're a paperboy yes i was a paperboy but i used to i was proud to deliver the new york times i used to deliver the boston globe that was my main account and then i also had the boston herald and i got a new york times account i was like i'm delivering the new york times but it was too much of a pain in the ass because i lived in boston and like the routes were so uh wide like i would have to drive like seven miles to drop off 30 papers it was too crazy whereas with boston i would go this house gets it this house gets it that house doesn't this house get it was so many houses got the globe
and then the herald was like half the amount and then the times was like 1 8 the amount oh really even in boston okay in boston a lot of people did get the times but you got a a blue bag for the new york times new york times had a blue plastic bag it was beautiful something threw up in africa yes because you know i would have different clear bags for the the herald and clear bags for the boston globe but the new york times had a blue bat that's cool oh chuck that blue back and i drive by those houses like those people are sophisticated they're reading the new york times that's why they're in the new york times so they can portray them so sophisticated that's what they're selling it's not just the clickbait it's that's a sure well in 1987 when i was doing this it was like a big deal you know it was like that that was the only way you got the news there was no internet back then ostensibly do you want to watch the rest of this aaron burnett thing you can but it's the same [ __ ] yeah the poor guy is a [ __ ] it's a hostage video it is a right that's the thing yeah it's a hostage video with don lemon it's a hostage video with aaron burnett and i'm telling you i know sanjay gupta as a person he's a very good guy like the hate that he's getting is undeserved and meanwhile i'm the subject of the disinformation right right i'm the guy who had the conversation with him and when he's saying that he walked into the lion's den he was worried that i was gonna throttle his neck that's his attempt at humor he's a [ __ ] neurosurgeon these people are socially awkward people who are desi what their main focus of study is like is fixing human bodies right that's what he does so he works as a medical correspondent for this major uh network who again i don't even blame them i don't blame aaron burnett i don't even blame don lemon or [ __ ] brian stelter they are who they are and i don't i definitely don't blame jeff zucker jeff zucker is a like i said i'd like that guy if i saw him today i'd give him a hug he's a really good guy how is he a good guy if they're spreading awesome managing at scale it's [ __ ] preposterous this machine that
they have this cnn media empire trying to like collect all these news stories i'm sorry so if you have an organization dedicated to spreading this that in part is dedicated spreading misinformation and leading to war which means lots of people dying to spark a joint go for it someone's got to be the bad guy they can't all be good innocent people let's blame the dead people as soon as they die colin powell yeah that guy yeah sure he lot he did you know misinform it best on the floor of the u.n who's the bad guy what do you mean who's what's the who's the worst bad guy what's what's our real problem i think it's the corporate i think the universities that's for sure the bad guys that that is a problem yeah they're the villains why are they why are they so bad because that's where the poisoning starts that's when they teach everyone to kind of promulgate these demented ideas and spread them out through academia or excuse me for entertainment through the corporate press dude the government is coming and glued my blunts look the they're all sudden they're on fire and look no smoke is coming out of them this is how they're trying to stop me what what happened there what's going on i don't [ __ ] know i'm telling you i've been gone for a week i went elk hunting i come back and my blunts don't work where's alex get alex on the phone why don't my blunt surprise is right down the street we can go get him better yeah this one's working but you i i i'm surprised when you you you agree that things are going chaotic things are getting out of control and you're you're saying no one's to blame no one's a bad person it's not that no one's to blame it's no individual is to blame and it's not their intent to do things wrong they get caught in a trap you ever been in an argument with someone like you hate someone you don't like them and then some way or another either they reach out to you or you reach out to them and then you become friends yes yeah that's that's humans this this way of communicating that
we're doing where i'm talking [ __ ] about them and they're talking [ __ ] about me like i'm a very friendly person if i'm with those people in a room we'd have a different perspective on each other sure the problem is communication and i think that's the problem with everything the even the way cnn does what they do like the only reason why they're allowed to do what they do it's because no one's there to say hey this is not right this is not accurate this is not true that's communication they have no two-way communication when you have one way communication you you run the risk of being this person who disseminates disinformation or propaganda without even realizing what you're doing is wrong but they have plenty of two-way information because they're called in their crap all the time on social media and they see it and now they have choice to respond to it right they double down the thing is like they don't respect social media they don't think of social media as being an accurate representation of what the people think they think it's a bunch of [ __ ] sure but just because someone's an [ __ ] doesn't mean that what they're saying is an accurate case in point you yes me but here's but the thing is they i they lie here's a good example there we go got him i gotta get a contact take [Laughter] afraid yeah mister really said mister oh my god um little does he know i like being afraid i you can't look i'm sure you i'm sure he's a nice person or friendly person jeff sucker but if he's seeing all this feedback and he's organizing his organization in the same way that has prior that causes people to end up lying that the the buck has to stop somewhere well this is one instance where i can prove that it's a lie and it's like it's in your face and it's because it's me as a human being you know and i'm aware of it i i don't we we have this uh this thought that a large percentage of what cnn and most
mainstream media sites say are curated and cultivated and there's a motivation behind it and it's not objective sort of you know like what's the gold standard of news today i mean i don't even i mean my gold standard of news now is independent people correct you know it's like uh crystal and sauger from breaking points it's the hill it's like these independent sites the new hills not bad they're very bad really yes they're really bad if you look at their tweets they're really bad and they're just on this tweet just watch the show oh the show is different but i'm talking about the organization uh they but are you saying that this idea that they construct a false reality is not an accurate idea um i think it's pretty obvious that some of it is false i just don't know how much of it is false i can give you one example i had queued up okay we remember during the 2020 democratic presidential debates right the the members the moderate members of the party were looking for a non-bernie alternative to bernie and biden wasn't doing well and officer harris started doing very well in the polls then there came a difference officer harris oink oink then there became a dude then there was the debate and our goal tulsi yeah fry that pig just like a hawaii knows how to do oh she sunk that battleship right so not only and then all the clip reels had that there was a series of articles when kamala harris dropped out of the presidential race none of them mentioned her they all pretended it wasn't a factor if it wasn't a factor why was it in the clip reels and why was he making headlines go to jamie if you go to fucktards.org what that's a website yeah i have it i also have christopher cuomo.com do you really yeah if you go to fucktards.org you can see my tweet threads from 2019 article after article talking about kamala harris and none of them mentioning tulsi gabbard that is a lie to say that tulsi didn't nuke her in a postmortem of her campaign is dishonest and creating a narrative isn't she the most fascinating tulsi she's the most fascinating because she checks all the
boxes and yet they don't want to have anything to do with her she's a woman of color right she is uh a congresswoman for eight years check she is a veteran who was deployed overseas twice in a medical unit right experienced the horrors of combat and the consequences check all those things she's progressive she's open-minded she's she is just displays all the leadership qualities that you would ever want from a president you want yourself a woman president that's your girl right there i i liked her a lot better when i thought she was going to do my show so now i've gotten a little softer on tulsi the way you can get with her is you have to do it through me like i sneak you in on the show with her oh that's the only way that would be hilarious that would be the only way that would be absolutely i just want you to know my friend michael no i've met her on a show yeah yes i'll be hilarious she would probably laugh she would go with it man i'm telling you she's a surfer she's she's nervous know how to go with it i mean i don't know her deeply and forever but what i've met you know the conversations i've had with her she's a real person i'm impressed i don't know what the [ __ ] it takes to be a president i mean i think you need a unicorn you need a fake person like to really do it the way everybody would be happy it's it's it's a non-winning race you know what you need you need depends hair plugs and some dentures and a whole lot of ice cream not more less my my favorite bite is angry old man get off my lawn body that is when when the mask drops and he starts yelling at people it's hilarious meanwhile jamie i sent you this right the full you need to see this because after i said that to him i think you should be vaccinated and then get covered bam look at this article in the courier mail if you're fully vaccinated against covid the next step to improve your immunity may be to actually catch the virus folks listen i was joking around with sanjay and we were drinking whiskey this is another thing that aaron burnett didn't bring up in that clip yeah we
were drinking like we're being silly well i was like i think you should get covered like i don't really hope it gets coveted i hope kova gets eradicated i hope they get therapeutic so that no one ever gets coveted again yeah this is what i really hope but if they're when i was saying that it's not like when he's saying i should get vaccinated and i'm telling what there's a greater chance of complications if you've already had covet and get vaccinated and i have friends that have actually been vaccinated after coveting most of them were fine but three of them that i know personally got [ __ ] wrecked how wrecked what happened right well one of them started developing fluid in his body holy [ __ ] oh that's not a joke oh okay it's craig jones okay he's one of the best brazilian jiu jitsu black belts on the planet he's an elite level athlete like an olympic class athlete he was a part of the donahue death squad and now they formed a new jiu jitsu team called the b team but when it comes to grappling the world is so small and there are no phonies no phonies in terms of top flight competition he's at the top of the heap he's as good as it gets there's a couple like gordon ryan's maybe he's he's a he's the elite of the elite gordon ryan is the elite of the elite but there's like gary tonin craig jones there's so many he's undeniable right so he gets a shot after he's already had kovid he was doing a show and they wanted him to do it and he got pressure he's already do it his reaction was so bad like he breezed through covet but having this he was in bed for 11 days he was wrecked and he he's got he posted on his instagram he's got videos of him touching his body and his i don't know what had happened but this part of this side effect whatever it was had filled the side of his body with fluid they didn't know what the fluid was um they just told him to like you know come in if it gets worse but just you're just gonna have to let your body reabsorb this fluid so he's got this like bag of water this is like a super lean athlete yeah yeah and he's got the i mean you know like looks like like a
swimmer type dude like a michael phelps type body and then he's got this side of his body that's just like look at this oh my god yeah so there's a video where he touches oh my god yeah uh there's a video it's like total recall with that thing coming at him it was weird right this is something that can happen it's not normal but it can happen it's like the thing is like this long-term data question everybody wants to pretend that that's not something that we should think about when it's been something we should think about oh god yeah so this is his normal side of his body and then the other side of his body hope it gives you dad bod well it's a vaccine he doesn't know what it is and no one knows what it is but here's here's the other thing like there's there are things that this uh vaccine is encased in there's like uh what is it propane glycol what is it there's there's like uh but hold on a second there's a thing that the this these these little that the actual vaccine itself is encased in that people sometimes have um allergies to and it's in shampoo it's a common chemical but the satellites no i think i'm trying to remember the name of it probing propine glycolate or some [ __ ] like that but it's in shampoo and it's also in some of the vaccines and it's like a natural it's like a part of how they made it and some people have allergic reaction to it like sam sam harris had a really good point about this he said if you give a million people peanuts of course you're gonna have a lot of problems right 100 right so this is not saying that you shouldn't do it this is saying that this is just facts these are facts we're talking about yeah you it's russian roulette with 100 you know you're going to spend enough time someone's going to get the bullet this guy didn't get the bullet but that was one shot of a vaccine he was supposed to take another shot after that because he lives in he was from australia so he's got to travel back and forth but how how i i i'm still fixated on how you're saying these aren't bad people when they're trying to
make yeah this is it uh how do you say that poly polyethylene glycol polyethylene glycol so that's the stuff um i know a guy who plays with the nfl i've had a conversation with him about this he's uh an elite athlete and he is worried because he has an allergy to that stuff like you know some people have an allergy to [ __ ] ragweed or whatever the [ __ ] dogs cats of course litter everything everything my friend brian his mom if she has a one of those brazil nuts dead one not a killer like a bullet don't look up what they used to call those in the 30s okay yeah whoever listens don't google this i would normally say yeah don't definitely google it but since you don't want me to go i'm not going to google it but so he's 100 right but here's the thing it's like there's a there's an argument for covering all the bases and this is not being discussed what my problem that i'm having with the narrative is not that vaccines aren't effective because they definitely are effective they definitely seem to keep people from getting as sick they definitely impart some protection they're i think they're really important for older people i think they make a big difference and peace of mind that yeah that is useful for a lot of people and that's something that should be swept on the rug 100 because anxiety can exacerbate your immune system and [ __ ] it all but here's the thing this is only one part of this giant puzzle and my confusion on this i i understand where it's coming from but my frustration is that it's really obvious that other things can be done to enhance our immune systems and there's no promotion of that whether it's a change in diet whether it's exercise whether it's meditation there's a lot of things that you can do to enhance your immune system and none of those are being discussed the only thing that's being discussed is things that are capable of generating money
that's it i don't think it's about money i think it's about power and i don't understand why would you have power if you don't have money do you not watch scarface [ __ ] tell him jamie first you get the money then you get the chew then you get the chicken see it's scarface bro it's not a documentary why unlike the matrix it's a brian de palma movie written by oliver stone if i don't understand how you can say these aren't bad people when they're trying to internationally create a society where if you do not get this vaccine which in many cases like you're like your mma guy have deleterious consequences these people are going to be fired and can't go to a supermarket that is not something there's room for nuance in this and they're trying to make it as if it's a black and white issue which it is clearly not as with anything medical i think you're right in that respect that's what i think they i think it's all about your intent and i think most of these people their intent is not to hurt people they're intensely controlled i don't think that's true i think control is a natural consequence in this instance of people that truly believe they're trying to do the right thing and they're attached to a machine that wants control ultimately it's not a machine someone's running that machine right it's not spontaneous but it's like a corporation isn't it sure but it's a solution of responsibility someone's setting the guidelines and someone setting the protocol as someone saying the narrative and it's probably your boy jeff zucker who is it if it's not him they believe it this is the thing man you know i remember when i was on sitcom um and people would talk about the people that were making these shows i remember this is like pre-internet conspiracy theory sure the people that are making this show the reason they call it programming they're programming america but then i meet all the people who make these shows and what they're trying to do is make things that they would watch it's a natural consequence of that that by doing that you can comfort people with narratives that are
really familiar like the 6 million man always wins cnn is not about comforting people cnn is about getting people worked up you're right but listen to me here and the other networks dude i want to single them out here and they create this stuff thinking this is what you're supposed to create i think this is where we're getting confused we think of it as like all these people that you went to college with and hung out with when you're young and now they work for cnn they're evil that's not what's going on what's going on exactly what's going on they go to college as normal kids and then they leave as evil robots who are trying to destroy this country do you okay but let me ask you this if they're a good person in college what happens what is going on that sucks someone into a situation let's not call it cnn let's call it enn the evil news network sure if you go to evil news network and you start off as a good person like a michael ballen no no what turns you what turns you what turns you into an evil person no no no no okay good and evil i don't think are are uh useful necessarily in this context what i'm saying is you go to the university and you are punished uh if you do not follow the overweening philosophy and you're rewarded if you are submissive and repetitive and are going to promulgate that philosophy once you leave the university system right in the same way that everyone if you go to mcdonald's in california you go to mcdonald's in massachusetts we go to mcdonald's in florida it's going to be the same food that's not a conspiracy that's an organization that is spreading forth in this case its product which is burgers the university system are of one mind in spreading an ideology and that's why all those college graduates who end up at cnn who end up nmc new york times or or in hollywood they're going to have the same world view and you're going to have this perception of unanimity it's not a conspiracy they're all just trained at the same places to believe certain things and they were punished severely for not believing those things um i agree with most of what you're saying but do you think that there's an overlord how do you think the no it's this decentralized it's completely decentralized what happened is over a
hundred years ago people like richard eli who started the american economic association i talked about this in an old book of mine then you write basically his idea is we need to introduce the idea of a mixed economy into economics this whole classical liberal thing isn't working for us this is like 1910s 1900s as a result of that there's an understanding they talk about university about creating the next generation of leaders what that means it's an orwellian way of saying we're training people who are going to be the over class who are going to rule and manipulate the country for good reasons and if you're a member of the over class you have stature you have status it's important for you to be perceived as a good honest person but i'm still a good honest person above the rest of you and when the rest of you start criticizing me and start being defiant you're confused because you were trained to think you were in a position to rule over them and lead over them so is it a natural state where groups lead over other groups because right it seems like if you looked at the human race objectively if you didn't attach yourself to culture you looked at it objectively like how many of these groups of humans form into this organization where one person rules with fear and force it's almost never because he's got to have a bunch of people around him right but but one person is usually the top sure like there is a pyramid structure sure there's definitely a group of people around him but they all turn out like that like none of them turn out to be like let's all have no boss and everybody just be nice to each other and we don't need cops we don't fire people we'll be people that are standing by for emergencies things like emts this is my whole anarchist worldview that's right i understand this is why i want to talk to you about that sure because if we could assure like look here's a perfect example if you me and jamie lived on an island yeah we wouldn't need cops correct right of the flies is one of the most [ __ ] up books in history yeah because uh the premise of lord of the flies which were all taught in high school it's still assigned reading is if you had a bunch of kids stuck in a desert island they'd start killing each
other and be savages and it'd be violent right because the idea the hobbesian idea is civilization is very thin underneath that human beings are basically violent that's not true human beings are basically animals but we're benevolent social animals and in fact we don't even have to guess because there was a real story a bunch of kids did get shipwrecked on an island together they were lived together for 18 months and they got along so well and in fact when one kid broke his leg they didn't crush his skull in they made him a they set his leg they gave him a throne they treated him like a king and when they found these kids they were all thriving and getting along well together so this is a very big lie that in the reason survivor uh um that show the reason that people have to fight because they have to vote each other off right but if you watch the show the first thing is let's put together a a tent to live in let's gather food everyone works together very well and the threat of violence is not really there it's a complete myth but it i i absolutely see what you're saying but i think i would be remiss if i didn't point out that people vary widely a hundred percent so and you have to worry about the murderers get the wrong guy on an island and then you have a slaughter fest and people start cannibalizing people all we take is the wrong guy to kill one of the people and to keep everybody in fear and then everybody would plot to kill that guy and he would try to kill you when you're sleeping and then next thing you know it's a [ __ ] it's a terrible story or you could have lord of the frog the flies turned out the way you're saying where the kids get together and they help each other and the kid breaks his leg and everybody comes together that's possible too but it depends on the humans no there's people that you can't you're not going to fix in a [ __ ] traumatic danger situation like there's there's sociopaths and crazy [ __ ] out there and ex-cons you're not going to fight they're politicians that's the political class i'm not joking but humans but any human like you could like if you get a thousand humans yeah one of them is
going to be out of his [ __ ] mind if you are on a boat with that guy right and that boat is shipwrecked and then you realize that no one is in charge and that [ __ ] could just run [ __ ] and tell you that he eats all the coconuts and you gotta fight him to the he's bigger than you and you're like [ __ ] but that is how that's how it goes down it's not always the guy gets his leg broke and everybody lives together human beings very wild yeah but you're just wild you're describing politics you're describing politicians basically they're that guy who convinces everyone else to stop cooperating and stop being benevolent and to think of each other tribally and to turn one group against another and they're aided and abetted by this by people in the corporate press who want us to have a binary world view that you're either for vaccines or you're for trump yeah well i think it's more convenient to argue against a binary world yes of course because all i have to do is disprove the other and therefore by default i win yeah and it it ignores nuance and ignores what it means to be a person but that's all these people in the corporate press they all ignore nuance the whole point of it is everyone has to get the vaccine even children and if you have any questioning about this like what about this mma guy the circumstances well you're an anti-vaxxer it's a lie it's a weird one too right because it's one where you're propping up these corporations that you had been deeming evil forever like if people like there's no judgment call just an analysis of the way human beings look at pharmaceutical companies for decades if you talked about pharmaceutical companies like like sociopaths and that they all they want to do is like sell these drugs regardless do they kill people people would agree with you yeah it's terrible it's terrible those same people now put all their trust but joe don't you get it a corporate journalist is the same as a tobacco executive they're selling a deadly product and the battle is one when the average american regards them is the same and that's what
they're doing the same thing that that diffusion of responsibility that you talked about you have a big corporation so corporations there was a there was an article that was written i'm trying to remember who wrote it it was a while ago and it was saying corporations are psychopaths yeah sociopathic paths yeah and then they laid out what a sociopath is and what it's like what would a sociopath rather and what a corporation is and like there's there's a thing where it's not a person anymore but it has all this power it seems to be like it's always going to try to get ahead and if things are always going to try to get ahead and they're not going to take into consideration the way it makes people feel because you're not thinking about feeling anymore when you deal with numbers right so you have a corporation that's battling other corporations what are you battling for market share stock prices there's numbers like numbers are not feelings but we operate on feelings so if we are part of a corporation then we're a part of a thing that doesn't take into consideration what it means to be us but to be feeling but this has historically been the strongest aspect of the left which is skepticism of corporate america right and understanding that giant corporations do not care about mom and pop or you that they are there to get money and that they have no choice because they have a duty to their shareholders to make as much profit as possible and this whole corporate responsibility is often a good vernier for this um but now it's like we have to be on our knees blowing pfizer because they're saving us all and the rep and people on the left were saying this with a straight face well it's crazy because it's a what it is is it's great evidence that this idea of parties is [ __ ] yes and that human beings we we operate on this really wide range is a giant spectrum and we should have like agreements of like how things go and what's important what's not important we should talk about these things but we have to recognize first and foremost that we're instinctively tribal sure it's a part of our dna and it's [ __ ] us up because we have this
need so if you have anxiety if you have a problem we have this need where there's another person out there who is your enemy and you think about them and whether you call them a republican or whether you call them libertarians those people are your enemy and if you're freaking out all the time thinking of this other group of humans that probably shares way more in common with you than they don't like when it really gets down to politics like what does everybody really care about in life they care about their loved ones they care about finances they want to make sure we don't go to war they want to make sure that you know soldiers are protected and the streets are safe i don't think they want soldier to be protected then why they send them in harm's way i mean they want them to be okay even if they send them in the harness i don't think they care at all you don't think who cares at all like the list cheneys i think they're detached from it i think you're yeah i think liz cheney wants you to send you her body parts because that gets her off well they definitely can justify right they find a way to justify military actions that are not well thought out and good people die yeah and they die and die i don't want bad people died i think a lot of folks die under false premises yes false pretenses yes that was the thing that keeps getting brought up there's a book called the nurture assumption and she makes the point in that book that humans define themselves by opposition so if you have a bunch of kids and a bunch of grown-ups the kids will perceive themselves as kids but once the grown-ups leave it divides into boys and girls because we find ourselves who i am is i'm not that right that makes sense and then you know look there's people that will form into groups like mac versus pc and they'll [ __ ] all over you all over me because i had an android last time i was on here i will continue to do that even though i also have an android i have a samsung galaxy uh um i got an iphone for my birthday in july i still haven't switched then i apologize to jess i um listen i like them both but i like [ __ ] with people and i like when people get it i hate
[ __ ] with people i know you the worst you're so against that i hate it my worst thing there's no greater troll that's ever lived than you oh i feel like you're the best andy kaufman is better than me i think you might be a little funnier than andy holy [ __ ] this is the big this is literally the biggest compliment i'm a handicapping fan and everything but i have a signed picture of him and i haven't hung it out my house yet but i'm going to you have a lot of larger body of work to to draw from that's he died very young yeah of course yeah and uh he also didn't have the internet if andy kaufman had the internet oh my god could you imagine his podcast oh god it'd be crazy i'd probably be like scott fitzgerald you know what would be like it'd be like norms nor mcdonald's i you know andy kaufman might have done something really weird you know do you know like do you remember why steven wright was writing a book one tweet at a time no i didn't oh he did yeah okay yeah right um see if that i don't know what he ever did with that i mean it's like it's exhausting to try to remember what you just read you know 12 hours ago from this well it's like those old comic strips like dick tracy takes six months to fight flat top and it's like this you guys have been this car since january it's july but uh he wrote a book i think it was one tweet at a time you know it's like a few sentences you know 140 characters yeah yeah yeah but i'm pretty sure it was a whole book which it's like jesus imagine you're just so lazy you only write 140 characters a day well i only write a page today when i'm writing it's not even that he's lazy it's just it was a fun idea he had that joke about like i was reading this great murder mystery called the dictionary turns out the zebra did it like that is [ __ ] brilliant you know the problem with those guys is from a writing perspective they're all non-sequitur so it's so hard to put together your bits and it's so hard to know what you said already yeah like if you do three shows a night which is what we used to do we should do like saturday night three shows a night if you did
three studies by the time you get to that third show you're like what show is this what have i said already do you know who the best of that is is uh neil hamburger who's my favorite community neil hamburg is brilliant i i i absolutely what a character yeah he he's like a tony clifton figure basically yeah he opened up for louie once at the improv no they loved him okay they loved him it was really good he was on he was on that night but the character is so preposterous oh yeah so over the top [ __ ] i saw him in l.a once at the echo or the satellite whatever it's called and ahead of me on the table were a couple on a date and i see i see the girl who's basic as [ __ ] turned to her date she goes what is this and like that was the great wait this is the best neil hamburger moment so he was opening for tenacious d in ireland or england right sorry i confused the two they didn't know who he was they're booing the [ __ ] out of him and he goes all right all right do you guys want to see tenacious d do you guys want to hear your heroes of mine tenacious d okay if i do this next joke and you don't boo me i'll bring out tenacious d and he goes uh what it's santa get paris hilton for her birthday for christmas well he raped her so like two people laugh two people laugh hold on and then he goes oh thanks for that reaction i guess i'll do an encore and he stayed there for another 10 minutes is this it holy [ __ ] [Music] [Applause] [Music] yeah they're all saying off yeah yeah off wow animals that's the worst way to do comedy by the way people standing up oh yeah i realized that when i went to see doug stanhope once uh it was a good friend of mine i'd never seen a show where i was in the audience standing up i was like oh my god this is terrible i was like i'll never have a show like this again because after a while like your back hurts [ __ ] you're looking around your feet were hurting it's all concrete you're standing yeah shout out to the waitresses out there
all walking around on [ __ ] concrete trying to trying to get elbow away their way through people some of those gals are watching at the comedy store i'm like the [ __ ] poise to carry a tray of drinks and walk through drunks a maze of stumbling drunks and the the sheer number that are successful versus like crashes like that's amazing what's so what have you talked to chappelle about uh all the [ __ ] he got from yeah a little bit we texted back and forth it's you know he's just you know riding out the storm he's not a homophobic or transphobic person he makes fun of himself there's a bit in that special about him getting molested and jerking off in a man's face yeah i mean this is or coming in a man's face that look it's fun it's just making jokes that doesn't mean hate this is the problem with today if you don't have an enemy you make an enemy and this is a real problem with people we would look for things like if there's people that really hated you and they were the enemy people that just joked around about stuff wouldn't be thought of as the enemy it's like and as the level of people truly hate you drops you start looking for equilibrium and what you're upset about and so now you're more upset about jokes now silence is violence and now you know you can't just be this you have to be that and it becomes this like weird control level where what people start to conflate you you start when you start equating jokes with like real feelings well you they're they're they're not the same thing well i don't think that's what it is i think they're trying to put different individuals or groups on a pedestal and kind of make them sacred and when you have something coming along and knocks them off that pedal so all of a sudden you're trying to undo what i'm trying to do which is to make this person holy and now you are my enemy because your agenda is the opposite of mine fully agree i was getting too sorry okay no it's okay you're right though 100 but it's these these ideas that that you can't make fun of are dangerous they're not good for anybody they're not good for the people who hold those ideas whether it's about who you are or what
you do the idea that no fun can be had about any of this is crazy because the idea is that then all fun is done maliciously and out of hate and we know as friends that is just not true all my fun is malicious it's well it's all so funny if you and i were [ __ ] with each other and we're saying ridiculous [ __ ] to each other we would both be smiling this is what rose battle's all about my friend brian moses this is what a lot of what kill tony's about like it's fun there's fun in making fun of each other and we have to accept that yeah and then i need to know your real feelings about gay people your real feelings about trans people your real feelings about all religions and all races and all ethnicities but we got to be able to joke around about each other and if you get down to dave chappelle's real feelings he's a lovely person he's one of the nicest people i've ever met in my life he loves everybody he he's not a hateful soul he's beyond jealous he's just a guy who loves this art form called stand-up comedy and he tries to do his best navigating through this world of talking [ __ ] about things and saying outrageous things that get huge laughs or placating really sensitive groups that feel like they're in a protected class and then the other people that pile onto that that also feel like this is a protected class and they equate any jokes with hate and this is where they're wrong like i'm telling you that dave chappelle does not hate anyone or anything he's not that person he's his jokes are just that they're just jokes and if you really pay attention to what he's saying whether you agree with him or not in some of his jokes like whether or not they're funny just really pay attention to the overall message it is in no way transphobic it's just not but this is a way for low status people to try to compete with dave and try to get on his level because if i'm some kind of rando journalist and i take down dave chappelle or joe rogan or somebody else this elevates my status in my rank and takes him down a peg and that's useful you're right from an evolutionary point
of view you're absolutely right you can't can't be denied if you're a person and you're looking up at a guy like dave chappelle he's at the highest of high levels right you have to you know you you have to also acquit you have to equate that in anything you you think about when you think about a guy like dave chappelle but then you also have to realize that the problem is in listening to everybody you're going to get a certain group of people that want people to not be able to work anymore they want to like stop you they want to pull things down they want to change like what's available you don't have to like it like here's the thing about dave chappelle look he's clearly the most popular comedian on planet earth right he's number one he he's clearly one of the greatest comedians that's ever lived clearly so obviously a lot of [ __ ] people like him and what you want is people did not have access to them right when you have options you don't have to like it but if you want netflix to take it down and you say it's hateful this is this is an incorrect way to do this if you want to make your own special about what was wrong with dave chappelle's going on youtube with your monologue like keith yeah yeah exactly go for it and good luck to you and maybe you'll have a point that that person that you're criticizing could take into consideration and go maybe i could do better at this because if something does bother you if someone says something ridiculous about you it doesn't make any sense it doesn't have any effect on you the things that bother people is things that are at least slightly accurate but i think this just kind of speaks to what we're talking about earlier how they're trying to have their be in the same way how intentionally or not it's trying to push everyone to be an amazon or a walmart customer they are trying to have everyone only consume media through pre-approved sources right that's a problem if you're not reading the new york times or cnn or the wall street or the washington post or whatever that means you're doing something wrong
so this is what they're doing that process of elimination by trying to funnel people into certain outlets that they themselves can control and that creates uniformity and cohesion among the population i think the problem is you create a journalistic version of the streisand effect i think that's a problem let's encourage people to watch chappelle yeah it's encouraging for sure that special's giant yeah oh yeah and all the controversy has only been good and then the controversy is [ __ ] because it's not like he's howard stern back in the day well it's not only that what he's saying in this he's telling about he's telling a story about a real person that he was close with that that died that became friends with him through comedy there's a whole story to it i don't want to give it up because i think you should watch the special i toured with dave we did a lot of shows together it's this is his story that he had about this person that he loved that died it's not a it's not a transphobic story but there's jokes in there and in those jokes he's poking fun at everything including himself i mean this is a part of his acts part of any comics act like there's it's there's a lot of it that's just designed to be funny while he's telling a story that's one of the things that dave does so well he's like he tells these stories and he figures out a way to get his point across while being really funny but when you're going to be really funny you're going to make fun of yourself you're going to make fun of other people you're going to make fun of everything but that's but that doesn't equal hate and that's not how men demonstrate camaraderie yeah coming from brooklyn you have the jewish guy the italian guy you're the puerto rican guy you have the black guy everyone's busting each other's chops and that's how you symbolize that you're comfortable with each other yes i'm safe with you by saying things that would get me in trouble in other contexts and i trust you enough to know that you're not going to use that in a bad way that we're all bros here dude i had a podcast the other day with tony hinchcliffe and brian i have to meet tony oh you've never met
tony i've never met tony tomorrow night what are you doing uh i guess i'm hanging out with him yeah we'll go to vulcan gas company we're working together tomorrow night okay perfect so um the two biggest [ __ ] in austin can be in tony um he'll fight ya um so uh the um the kill tony thing is like tony hinchcliffe and david lucas have been friends forever david lucas is this hilarious up and coming comic and every time david lucas does he does like one minute of new comedy every week on kill tony so he goes up he does stand up and then tony and him have this back and forth where they [ __ ] on each other yeah and it's [ __ ] magic because when dave shits on tony tony's laughing hard with tony shits on dave dave's laughing hard but that is in a lot of people's eyes that's hate speech this is what's wrong with this criticism of dave chappelle scott adams made that point that he thinks like it was a 25 of population has no sense of humor when i did lex's 200th episode we introduced the episode with me dressed like him and i did my lex friedman impressions but that's me making fun of him but it was such a brotherly embrace yeah yeah i mean be careful of people who won't laugh at themselves yeah or tell you that's not funny laughter is not is not a thought it's a reaction or not tell you about failure yeah that's like friends that have never had their heart broken friends that have never failed where they just like literally wanted to just jump off a bridge oh yeah yeah although that's important i need to know that you're going through the same weird experience that i am dude i just had like the most traumatic experience and this is gonna be such making me the butt of a joke and i don't [ __ ] care i'll tell it okay i just moved to austin i paid for the exclusive truck because i have a lot of [ __ ] exclusive truck meaning sometimes they have the truck where they like move the boxes from one truck to another like in maryland so sometimes things get lost i want you to drive straight from new york to one truck yeah one truck okay got it i as i've told you on the first time i was on the show many years ago i have a denim collection okay
30 pairs one for every day of the week every other month i i'm going through all the boxes i have 100 boxes all my [ __ ] the denim is gone and then i'm like the thing is when you lose something that means a lot to you even though it's just sentimental and the thing is raw dynamic takes years to break them in and so on and so forth there might be an excel sheet involved that i'm not going to talk about right but the thing is when you when they've taken that you have to wonder what else have i missing so every day when i was unpacking these boxes i was like what and i'm not gonna remember what's gone because it's like i have what i have but i don't remember what was left in brooklyn and last week i was opening up this wardrobe box which was as tall as me 7 8 empty and under some frames was all my denim it was like pulling a sofa out of a wallet and i almost cried but it was so stressful for that month of like waking up every morning and just dreading unpacking you want to talk about first world problems that is the first a dude who talks for a living yeah can't find his broken in pants yeah and i found him so there's guys out there digging into the side of a mountain in the congo with a stick to try to get the minerals to use to make your iphone and people are listening to that on that iphone to you talking about you couldn't find your pants i know i only had one pair the one i brought on my flight but i found them so it worked out regular pants are [ __ ] they really are you need to get yourself some stretchy jeans stretchy well i have a few stretchy pairs why are you laughing no no i wonder if he's got a denim collection his reaction do you have like rev town jeans do you have any of those left town i've never heard of that the people made under armour they made these jeans i could head kick you in this that's a cool story but i've got these are made with uh japanese persimmon tannin i don't want anything from another country i want things from america god damn it did you know that um this canvas is what the uh original yeah yeah duck jeans the original the original
jeans were made at a hemp that's what they used to make uh like durable clothes out of but they still make uh like canvas jeans now it's like an old-timey hipster thing canvas was made with hemp that's why it's canvas is like comes from the cannabis plant like mona lisa was plant that was literally painted on hemp i did that i didn't yeah hemp was responsible for most paper before they figured out how to do the uh the one when they figured out how to make paper out of um like regular trees it's so shitty in comparison you ever have a piece of hemp paper no oh my god it's crazy it's really it's the weirdest thing ever it's like we're used to this we're just like like like a child can rip it yeah hemp paper is not rippable i mean it's almost like a fabric it's difficult it's like you look like a t-shirt or something it confuses yeah yeah yeah it's like i don't know what let's google this well it's also kind of like how much stronger is hemp paper than uh than regular wood pulp paper it's also kind like money right you can put money through the wash and it doesn't get ruined but what is that made out of i don't know but if you paper through the wash it gets destroyed what is what the [ __ ] is mine i don't even i don't know if we're allowed to know isn't it crazy that like someone somewhere has the ability to make a thing printed thing like talk about like a real problem in the design of your currency like all you have to do is have a machine that can make that hold on a second federal 25 75 cotton for the federal reserve notes oh linen 75 i guess the linen makes it more durable uh currency paper is tiny red and blue synthetic fibers of various lengths and evenly distributed throughout the paper it would take four thousand double folds forwards and backwards to tear a banknote wow four thousand so it's really durable right what's to stop someone from making that well that's the big one that's what north korea does so like they make american money yeah there's a big disc because there are these these machines called super i think what they call they're made in switzerland to print american money and apparently north korea there's some dispute whether they have this are like the world's best
and making counterfeit u.s dollars because they're making real u.s dollars in on the machines that we use that's hilarious yeah yeah yeah so this was a thing north korea is [ __ ] us by making more of our own money well i mean not as much as we're making i mean the federal reserve's been printing that [ __ ] the inflation is which is attacks on poor people is through the roof well clearly you don't understand that the government loves you and they're just trying to make everything run smooth yeah you [ __ ] communist wow look at that this is weather mate how north korea made the perfect counterfeit 100 bill well your book dear reader yeah is a [ __ ] amazing insight into north korea and you know when it came out um and you and i first talked i didn't know i i just knew it was [ __ ] up yeah yeah yeah i didn't know the extent of it between talking to you and yomi park i can't believe that this isn't a that more people don't understand that this is hap like when people worry about where the state of any country is going they always assume well we're good people things aren't going to get bad okay but you gotta realize that we're just human beings if if you're not a racist you agree that all human beings are essentially we vary in different ways and sizes and but we're just all human beings there's a nature that's universal yeah and the potential is universal but if there is a group of people in 2021 that are living like the people are living in north korea that are under the grip of that government that's possible anywhere yes with the wrong things with the wrong set of circumstances the wrong events taking place the wrong people getting the power just like you could get shipwrecked with the wrong person and wind up in a [ __ ] horror movie or you can get shipwrecked with the right people and wind up in a beautiful movie well that's why i went there because you know being born the soviet union by that time the soviet union was nowhere near as bad as i had been back in the day but this was my only chance to see what my family could have gone through you know and and they have concentration camps like being jewish i could have been in a camp
in eastern europe very easily so to see what it was like for my family in a parallel universe you know is very eye-opening um and it's totally about every day oh man when you see and this is not i i hesitate even bring this up because i don't want to get taken out of context but our positions when it comes to like just ideas about mandates and vaccines and and how we mask or no mass just these weird sort of like tribal issues these things that happen with people when we start looking each other as the other as uh someone who's is less than when we have power over the other when we want to control the situation because we're the good people and we want to do it by any means necessary there's a slope that that's the reason why the founding fathers wrote the constitution and the bill of rights the way they did is they're like okay there's some patterns that we need to mitigate yeah some real patterns of human behavior and we got to make sure first of all you can say whatever the [ __ ] you want because i can't know i can't know who's right unless both people talk uh if two people talk and and and i get to figure it out we get to debate back and forth and if we're honest about it we can figure out who's right but if you can say that person can't talk because i'm right now i'm in the dark yeah i got in trouble for this tweet i didn't get ratioed because i said if you replace the word uh coronavirus with jews all of a sudden the behavior of the 1930s german population becomes eerily similar and what i meant by that is we all wring our hands about how the holocaust happened how did the germans go from a normal people to within four years being like comfortable with or turning their blind eye to genocide and what we're seeing with the corona and we got a long ways to go before it's not to germany let me be clear i'm not trying to get everyone to freak out but how eager people are to be informants after germany reunified they opened up the stasi files the stasi were their secret police it was the biggest surveillance society other than i think perhaps north korea that the world ever seen and you could find out who spied on you and who turned you in and what they found out it
wasn't that like you know they got to your wife and we got the wife to snitch on joe people were eager to snitch on their neighbors because they felt that they were doing the right thing and it gave them a sense of power and a sense of status it's probably fun too get a little adrenaline rush making that phone call i mean look and then you see the cops show up to that person's house i made this happen i have power look at that commie yeah take them away protect my children right so when you see we're talking about human beings a lot of people are very eager to drop that dime and pick up that phone call because then they fee they would turn in on anne frank and then they'd boast about it on social media for sure yeah you're definitely right there's a lot but there's it's too easy that's that's part of the problem it's too easy and because i don't i think there's like a state that we need to reach as an organism as a human organism there's a state we need to reach physically where we feel like we're in homeostasis where everything's balanced out and most of us don't get there most of us we don't ever achieve that state physically and so we have this compounding anxiety from not achieving that state physically that piles into the way we look at it like mentally the way we view the world the way we think about things that gets more anxiety written because you haven't taken care of the needs of the body so it's not balanced well there's also an enormous psychological incentive part of the in-group yeah because the very least like if we're going down we're all going down together a part of the end group the numbers are in my favor so i might as well i can compete on the metric of obedience if i have nothing to offer at least i can follow orders and and be a good person and shout it out so other people agree with this and all the other cowards go yeah yeah let's get them yes doesn't have a mask yeah so h.l menken said the average man does not want to be free he merely wants to be safe and he absolutely nailed it i feel like we should pause all science until we could figure out if masks work i love we gotta we gotta stop the science then we figure
out what's going on stop all your experiments all you scientists please tell me if masks work because i i don't i don't understand both sides i don't understand how it doesn't work a little if you have a [ __ ] thing across your face and you're breathing into it that means like it's going to hit some [ __ ] before it goes out into the world all right right there's some something i know it's these little particles but don't don't some of them get stuck in the cotton what's the number is the number like it only protects you by 10 if that just tell me the [ __ ] truth tell me what's going on get some sick people get them a coffin put a [ __ ] thing out there to catch the sickness but they do they do that with us with the heat vision uh cameras where there's no no no no no no no i want you to pay people who have covet to put a [ __ ] mask on and cough into a bag i want to know what's coming out of there coffin to another person no no no no you should have like a thing that catches how much covid's coming out tell me how these [ __ ] things work because what if it's zero or what if it's a hundred percent what if what if like if you're near a person if we realize that cotton doesn't work but this [ __ ] uh you know you make hemp hemp masks or whatever the [ __ ] it is like this one works a hundred percent i could stop well then you would be an [ __ ] if you didn't wear a mask sure but right now we're like does it work we don't know if it works but we know how to send photos through the sky we ne we know how to take a video and send it to [ __ ] new zealand through the sky the boxes say that the mess don't work it says it has a warning label that this mask is notification is going to go with the n95 masks are the ones that work and when this first started happening what boxes are you getting that say they don't work against covet i'm not getting any boxes that say that yeah the box is on the the regular mass say this is not if they get a [ __ ] from amazon they just come in a little plastic bag this is this is another meme where they says karen look at the read the box if you look that up it's just it says it doesn't work for kobe yes now that could be a cover harass thing
that they legally have to say this but it is weird that you can wear them in a place where you have to wear a mask yes like you can kind of wear a bandana if you're an [ __ ] and you want to go get bruh do you want to be a real [ __ ] do you want to be a real [ __ ] there's a website called minimally compliant masks.com which i used to wear to the gym because it looks like you're wearing a mask but you're not wearing a mask it's just cheesecloth let me see what that looks like minimallycompliant.com sure maybe make a flight map i get it jamie this is what it looks like oh you got it with you yeah can i feel that of course that feels like a mask that's not a mask it's it's you can breathe perfectly through it i would stick my face over it but what does it say about tyranny mass for people who like oxygen and hate tyranny yeah it's true that's what's crazy what's crazy is we're in this place where like saying something like that sounds nuts but it is actually true like you and it's not true because it's evil to wear a mask it's true because when you let people control people that [ __ ] is addictive that's [ __ ] right this [ __ ] is various humans are status oriented animals and now i have power for you why would i see that power no it would never happen here you have to take it that's why usurpers exist whether by design or not a lot of very evil people are getting a lot of useful information about how much a population is going to put up with you're 100 right it's it's not even a question not even a question and i think and and when you're a politician and you're trying to save uh something a population for something that's largely out of your control you have to keep doubling down because you can't just say well i'm powerless against this because i'm going to get voted out because the next [ __ ] is going to say i'm going to fix this we have a problem and we have these primal instincts in these human reward patterns that existed to make us survive against invasions of foreign mercenaries and [ __ ] and these things are like
fully ingrained in what it means to be a human being and we apply them when they don't exist we we start applying them to other people that like vary from a slightly like there's people on the left that are attacking people that are in the center you know they agree like like if you had like a chart of things that people in the center agree with and people on the left agree with it's like god you know what what about really close there's a huge percentage of population that thinks that if we decrease the size of our military china is going to invade us like invade not like places where we have an interest but invade america and it's like how would that even be possible even if our military was half the size that we wouldn't see it coming it's nonsensical but they it used to be russia now it's china you know china just launched china's a little more interesting than russia because they have a far greater economic power than russia ever had what what china has is this unusual integration with capitalism and communism right that's never existed before on mass scale like this also in the world of the internet like it's a wild thing that they're able to do but what china just recently launched they found out that they launched a supersonic weapon yeah i just saw that drudge yeah that's a low orbit they said it's a spacecraft whoa yeah they're saying uh it's not a missile holy spacecraft [ __ ] what does that mean i don't know okay i don't know it's a it's a super fast spacecraft that's what it is i mean if you imagine a spacecraft that moves like a missile a supersonic missile but it's a spacecraft and it's a they whatever it was it did low orbit speeds that phenom phenomenal or suit low orbit launches at phenomenal speeds where where it shook the the people that are like that examine um uh military capabilities they didn't understand this they didn't see a comment they're like holy [ __ ] so they've obviously been developing something not like their their position
is like if you read anything about china's view or you talk to people about china the way they view the world it's so unique that their business and their government is completely intertwined yeah like some unstoppable hive of communism and capitalism all interwoven together where one feeds off another yeah and they have immense power because of that it's it's really it's like if you were just looking at it as an organism there was no consequences you'd be like wow that's fascinating but there's also immense costs because it's not easy to maintain this kind of unnatural structure over a population that large and that the geographically uh desperate desperate also that kind of world discourages creativity of course discourages like freedom and like you don't get a janice joplin in china right right no you need freedom for for a certain amount of art and a certain amount of uh innovation you need freedom so what they do is they just copy [ __ ] oh yeah yeah which is why it's hilarious because they get the benefit of that and then they grow bigger and stronger did you see that uh the sauger and uh crystal uh had a video that they put up about this uh company that um they what did they make over there they made uh something in china space they make a lot of things soy sauce no it was something to do with ai it was some sort of uh component of uh these super advanced computer systems and um they went into business with china and they had this deal and uh all of a sudden the like they tried to remove the chinese guy from the company they're like hey we gotta like separate from you guys like what are you doing with our intellectual property and then they cut off communication and china just reopens this uh company because they bought like 51 percent of the company and they just take their internet ideas like whatever whatever they're in uh you know thing about ai was whatever they actually designed there and then they opened it up in china under a different name they just changed the names like we own it so the
sagar did a whole piece on it calling the heist of the century it is [ __ ] fascinating because you realize that these people like hey we're gonna get rich bob i'm telling you you're going to get a brand new jet and these guys start thinking about money they're thinking about cocaine and all that cash they're going to have okay everybody's got amazon again with the scarface they think they're going to get the women did you find it no i i i believe i know the company you're thinking or the name of it but i can't it's i'm trying to just go to the uh just give the breaking points page it's the um the crime of the century but there are i think that's what he said that's what he called it but it's also the kind of thing like you knew it was a snake when you picked it up right you knew what you were getting yourself in bed with i have very little sympathy you know these people slightly close your throat and take your kidneys you're you're totally right i don't have sympathy but i'm fascinated oh sure sure i'm fascinated by it by this human desire to give in to just go what's up it's only 51 we still got 49 mike well i mean we don't know what their plans are too they want us to be in the company of course okay we have a strong relationship with this company we've been here from the beginning we're going to be the ones and all of a sudden they're just like [ __ ] copying all their hard drives and moving all their [ __ ] over and they're like hey what's going on guys hey uh what's happening over here fellas i mean i mean it and they got the stream on order and there's surveillance things like i wouldn't if i'm working with the chinese i wouldn't trust them not to get into my email and my phone and things like that trust them you should ensure uh yeah you should be you should be signing up for every gay porn newsletter there is just do it to yourself i just do it to yourself before they do it to you lex i'll just use the ring lex friedman just have a bot that goes on a [ __ ] all day and downloads the the ugliest memes what's it called that's a 8 chance new uh website they got eight kuhn k-u-n so is that what it's called yeah [ __ ] okay
yeah but it's not that way it's not like raccoon okay i got it maybe i didn't think about it until right now yeah when i just said that yeah well whatever it is it's uh their new version okay chan because eight chang got taken down yeah and i didn't hot wheels steal it or something well he started it yeah yeah it got stolen from him or something i know he denounced it later i don't yeah he definitely denounced it but i don't know what the business aspect of it was 4chan still up and running is it yeah i got live league we missed it got taken down oh yeah lively would get closed when in may yeah they shut down yeah who shut them down they're like it's not profitable anymore yeah there's we can't make money off of we reopen we should investors lost hundreds of billions in china in july this is it this is the article wow so this is what's crazy about it but if you just go to the crystal and soccer thing this is their video this is just a screenshot of the article oh okay oh i'm talking about it otherwise which of course play that but well it is well uh this is what we should tell people go to sagar and jetty uh chinese heist of the century shows why u.s elites are fools and this is on what channel break points breaking points yeah they only have one channel or do they have eclipse channel do they have two or just one i think just one right now um anyway sagar's breakdown of it was [ __ ] fantastic because he was explaining that you're not hearing about this on mainstream publications in the news and newspapers he goes this is a really important story and what was the uh what was their product they made semiconductors semiconductors that's what it is i keep want to say like silicone chips because i'm old but i mean do you not think that there is uh enormous background music so to speak in corporate media to kind of soft pedal things about against china uh i think there is but i'm not sure
why do you think they do it to encourage relationships with like companies that are based in china or work with china like what do you think is the motivation i don't know but it just seems that there's a lot of bad things about china that we're not being told and i don't i i don't think it's a coincidence that we're not being and the fact that so many corporations are happy to bend the knee when it comes to adding access to those chinese markets is very disturbing to see well didn't they just um some social media site agreed to or wikipedia like agreed to block like the quran and the bible in there or something like that there's an application there yeah that's what it was it was apple apple did this there was an application that was uh based on the quran and um you know they have a problem in china and uh one of the problem well there's a lot of problems but one of the problems is the rest of the world has started paying attention to the uyghur muslims right and the plight of the uyghurs in china and how scary this is that they seem to be because of their religious beliefs they seem to be isolated and taken to camps like if this is true this is a real problem yeah and it's also it's a real problem if apple decides to give in and start banning these uh applications based on religious beliefs like you're gonna you're gonna ban it because the government doesn't want you to have a an option to click on something that is about you know the quran or the bhagavad gita or whatever the [ __ ] it is yeah like you can't do that that's a real pro that's censorship like if you're willing to accept censorship and i've i've heard this argument from someone that i am friends with that used to work with with google they used to work at google and they were doing something with china and they were really concerned because they were communicating with china but and this is this was the attitude if we don't do this china is just going to copy everything that google does they're going to steal google like steal all of the infrastructure they're going to find
a way into it and they're going to make their own google so they're trying to work with google so but the way or with china rather but the only way to work with them is you got to follow their rules yeah and i mean the talk this is the slippery slope made incarnate this is why apple is in a precarious position because if the world knows that you're willing to ban this one application that studies the quran what is the app right now it says that i'm look once not the greatest website for like news but it said that they're talking with someone and they're working to get it back up okay i love when i get to a point where i'm like i might be talking full i might be [ __ ] and fake news we've been doing this podcast for three hours and 40 minutes no that time is wrong i was trying to fix it in the middle but i want to [ __ ] you up yeah the power surge in here [ __ ] that clock up we've been doing this podcast for two hours and 20 minutes i was like my bladder's on point today something about being in the mountains how dare you jamie hit me with a fake time i just noticed it in the middle of it and i thought the time was gonna [ __ ] you up even more it's so hard one job you son of a [ __ ] the one on the left is good that is so important that i noticed 45 minutes ago i literally started to [ __ ] with it but oh how do you we got an app oh i have a controller we'll fix that [ __ ] now so we don't have to think about it anymore yeah come on jamie i thought i was like i can't believe he's michael mouse and i have such chemistry in the middle of your talk but honestly out of all the people that i know like when all the cnn stuff was going down i'm like oh my god where is michael malloy is that's true yes yes oh that's so nice you know i had you texted me for your number and i had to double check with lex to make sure it wasn't being trolled yeah well that's a good move that's a good move yeah no when when it was going down i was like i need like the most anarchistic person that i know the the person who's like burning it all the ground you can't fix it you can't fix it that's true that's you that is me yeah and it's not dave smith that's for sure dave smith isn't it he's in the argument
and congrats on him and his new kid yeah he's a beautiful person i love dave he's so goddamn smart but he's such a moderate so well compared to you he's a little moderate but i mean i don't think it's important to compare each other i think it is because i'm better his uh perspective his perspective is equally well thought out it just differs sure sure and that's there's a you know this is it's important to know what what that means like when someone's perspective is equally well thought out but differs like we are all in competition whether it's physically or mentally or financially or status wise and sometimes we'll get caught up in ideas and i think it's the best for all for everyone alive it's best we don't look at ideas as something that's a part of us really yeah i think you got to look at ideas as a thing like a thing like a glass or a thing like a a cup don't connect it to yourself oh i just you should acknowledge what it is like here's here's my perspective this is a ceramic mug yeah i know i've broken a bunch of mugs i've dropped them accidentally i know what i could what it is i i understand the parameters of it so i know what the [ __ ] that is this is what this is what a mug is what do you disagree with about the mug what do you disagree with what i said before that well i i mean you were saying that you should make ideas part of yourself i think ideas is about living that your values that's idea yes your behavior is about that yeah but ideas meaning like when you look at something whether it's a political idea or a medical idea or a cultural idea that's not you whether it's uh the way to fix global warming or whether or not you should be able to smoke cigars that's not you these are just ideas like what you are is an entity interfacing with ideas right we're not you're not your ideas so if your ideas are wrong one of the things that people do that's so common is you argue for your idea as if it is you like you're connected completely to it to the point where you're willing to lie
about whether or not the idea is accurate even if you know it's not accurate like like saying that something is horse dewormer when you know it's it's what was prescribed for humans for years before it was prescribed for horses that that's well known when you're saying that but what you're trying to do is just win you're trying to win because that idea is connected but that's the wrong idea to have that you should be trying to win yes but there are ideas that are a part of you which is such as do the next right thing be kind yes uh be respectful when possible if something someone or something is in pain to do what you can to mitigate that these are ideas i think maybe you're right and i think what i'm saying when i say ideas maybe it's a too broad of a word and what i mean is perspectives sure yeah yeah yeah right that's true like if you're there was a great um camus who's one of my great heroes albert camus there was just who's albert he wrote the stranger and he wrote the rebel and the myth of sisyphus and there was just this anecdote about how you know what you know you're for this what would happen as a consequence of this political system yeah if like your mother went to jail and he just made the comment goes i like justice but i love my mother so like if you do have these kind of ideologies and push comes to shove it makes you be a bad person to your people to your friends your family it's the ideas that are wrong and it's the relationships that matter much more and this is another thing i really despise and i block people about this all the time like some people came at me on twitter asking me to like denounce lex because he had some dude the mask i don't even know what it was like there's something to do with what the masks i don't even really know what they're doing that's friedman i don't even know what they were talking about what did he have to do he's saying that mass are a good idea i think he had to take part of some study i don't even know what they're referring to the point is there's no circumstance where i'm going to be denouncing people i like publicly if i had an issue with any of my friends first of all it's better persuasion to
sit him down privately like hey what's going on here talk to me educate me that's a really good point to do to call on people to call out your own publicly is really nasty it's also very transparent because you recognize why that person uses social media right you're clout chasing your virtue signaling it's really obvious if you're saying it to people you don't even know right and you're not calling the person that you love some people have done that where they've denounced people publicly but never spoken them privately yeah i was like that's crazy you're an [ __ ] well it's you're an [ __ ] and you're also trapped in this uh ideology of of wokeness that doesn't it's not applicable to friendships like you have to be able to call you don't know right where a person was coming from what actually happened you hear a story then all of a sudden you're taking the side of one over the other and you're not even calling that person you do public displays of any kind of uh opinions or feelings or outrage have to be examined very carefully because there's the thing about deciding to do something publicly you are broadcasting it in full awareness of your own personal image there's something about that that we we don't say while a person is doing it but we all kind of know but we're willing to ignore it if enough people pile on and agree this is a good message so people will try to have these public displays of virtue where you know why they're doing it this is a little [ __ ] fake man but i'm gonna yeah he's saying some good [ __ ] all right go for it and then people develop careers based on that careers based on licking their fingers figuring out which way the wind's blowing and then making some grand statements and maybe calling someone out oh my god michael mouse called someone out and that calling out [ __ ] what what are they doing are they did they call the guy first did they call the woman first did they have a conversation first or did they just decide to make this big public virtuous event of them having an opinion that differs from that other person's opinion to cloud chase why would i want to be friends with someone who when [ __ ] hits the fan their first
impulse is to publicly distance themselves from exactly what kind of person are you and of what use are you you're good maybe i could chat with you at a party but if things are going bad for me i want someone who i could call up on the phone and be like hey shit's hitting the fan do you have my back you don't have to have it publicly yeah can you at least kind of give me some kind of uh comfort or sucker and they don't 100 100 and i think the thing is all these industries are all our industries are very insular everyone knows each other as one degree away or two degrees away from everybody else and this kind of [ __ ] might fly publicly but privately people talk and you're going to get a reputation as a snake i don't really get anywhere near as much hate as i should because i stand by my people i don't throw people under the bus you don't you're you'll get more after this episode but you don't deserve hate you deserve you're a rare little flower in the desert michael mouse i'm an unusual person i've bought 70 succulents since i've moved here why are you buying cactuses they have them you just go find succulents not all they're not mostly not cactuses oh what kind of succulents you got of them they're all called god's mistakes because they're all like hideous and wow terrifying you're into ugly succulents oh yeah yeah they're all the beautiful thing about this place is that it [ __ ] rains rains a lot you know i came from l.a it never rained right everything is green as [ __ ] here it makes you feel better i there was this huge thing that hit this austin on thursday the day before i was gonna fly out i flew out to dallas i had to bring them all into the house and i'm like maybe i'm overreacting and then it was like the the heavens opened up i've never seen a downpour like this i was like holy [ __ ] dude i went to miami once uh i was doing a show in florida in west palm beach and my friend eddie had a um jiu jitsu seminar that he was doing at jiu jitsu school so we had a drive from west palm to miami at like one o'clock on a saturday and the [ __ ] sky opened up yeah to a point where i literally couldn't see you like if you if i was in a car i couldn't see
four feet in front of the car it was insanity for like 10 minutes the sky just poured and everyone stopped on the highway you literally couldn't see when you were driving i don't think people from california have any [ __ ] idea what that's like it's wild i don't know how to drive still so i have to take an uber to and from the gym i'm at the gym and this you know the downpour happens and i'm like if i don't get an uber now literally i don't know what to do i want to talk to you about this yeah i have a solution get a tesla because they drive themselves don't have to get a license first yeah get a license plate i get a license but once you get a license you get a tesla you get a tesla and you hit that double button and it just navigates itself you're going to hook me up with elon i can't give you a discount even elon pays full price no does he really yes yeah that's part of the deal i bought mine i bought mine i didn't get a discount at all okay it's worth it okay fine i'll do it we need to juice up your podcast sales it's worth it it's if you don't have to if you don't know how to drive a car that's the best way because it drives itself that's sort of like it doesn't totally drive itself no i wasn't it's pretty pretty cool it's pretty close i have a video that i never released because i'm like this is irresponsible but it's me listening to led zeppelin a whole lot of love and like moving my hands around the steering wheel not not really driving at all because we're we're on the pch how much do they cost they're not that much right the self-driving ones is like 60 or something i think all of them are capable of self-driving okay i think if you get right is that correct um is it three no i had an uber at the house capable yeah but you have to like it's like three yeah yeah you can pay for it yeah right you gotta p it's an option yeah yeah but the i think the option is uh for development right but also the full self-driving actual part is still in beta and some cars have right some don't i got an uber once when he had it he was showing me how it worked and he said it's like an extra 10
grand or something i don't know what it was that much it's sketchy you know why it's catchy it's not scary because it wasn't working it's sketchy because the idea of letting you know driving a car like leaving it to the hands of the ai is terrifying you know i don't know i i don't i mean it's that ai is going to drive better than me perhaps who's that uh the journalist that allegedly got killed by um his mercedes went off the road michael you know what i'm talking about he was the guy who uh he did that rolling stone article he got embedded in uh afghanistan oh yeah yeah yeah you know the story and then there was the volcano that erupted in iceland and he couldn't fly for a long time so he stayed there god damn what's his name he wrote this article for the rolling stone and in it a lot of the the general that he was hanging out with and a few few of the other people there michael hastings thank you he he sort they got comfortable and they said some [ __ ] and then he put it in he thought they thought he was their friend and they were a little loose around him you know and uh he put some stuff in rolling stone that that general was it mcchrystal mcchrystal actually had to resign because he had said something critical of obama there's some sort of disagreement to the point where so significant that he had to resign and so then hastings was like if i die it's not because i kill myself like let everybody know wow and so hastings died on uh sunset boulevard going like 110 miles an hour into a tree something crazy like that but it was it was it the whole circumstance of it was wild because it's like they tested him afterwards and they found out that he had amphetamines in the system but then you find out that uh most journalists not i would say most a significant number of journalists are on which is an amphetamine that's 100 true significant number and he was a very prolific journalist and a very
successful journalist and they had asked these uh people who understood technology and military applications whether or not it was possible at that time to pilot a car and drive it into it to take control of a car they said absolutely said absolutely like that that exists now we know it exists right like if you if you have a car today like a modern car with electronics and an internet connection and all that jazz like most cars do it's 100 possible for some shenanigans i had jessica tarlov on my show a couple years ago she's like a hardcore clinton democrat great gorman i i really get along with her even though she says she's a great groomman great great woman oh uh even though i don't agree with her politically i just she's she's tough um and i was asking her i'm like look every pilot every president has to make the choice about war and they know when they're making that choice about war that they're going to kill a lot of american soldiers and even if we pretend we don't care about lives of people in other countries i said if that person is in that mindset why would it would you put it past them to kill one or two people who are in their way if they're comfortable killing all these soldiers why wouldn't they kill that one person's threat to power just psychologically and she's like yeah like i i agree with you now it doesn't mean that every one of these things happened but g gordon liddy who was one of nixon's watergate people he was on fear factor by the way is that true yes is he it's terrifying in person no no he wasn't terrifying in person he was interesting i had good conversations with him i enjoyed talking to him he's a fascinating guy because i knew a lot about him coming in i knew that he was like wouldn't he like burn his skin and [ __ ] and look yes when he was a kid he tried to conquer his fear like he would burn his hand and walk and broke and then stuff like that so he was in his 60s when he was on fear factor and we hung him by his ankles and dumped him and dunked him into the water with a bunch of cord over and over again his 60s
and he got through to the next round he made it to the finals and the only thing that [ __ ] him up the finals was a driving thing okay and he can't see at night without his glasses okay he couldn't see where he was going oh so it [ __ ] him up like honestly g gordon liddy rest in peace they cheated him out of a win on fear factor if they just gave the [ __ ] glasses and let him drive that's me look at that kid sweetie look at that little baby boy cute there's julia gordon wow g gordon so uh hung out with him and he had to do this thing but but i enjoyed talking to him you know he was very respectful we had an interesting conversation but in his autobiography uh when he was facing all three branches of the federal government he was talking his contact at in some part of the deep state i remember who was and he says to them look if you've got to take me out tell me what street corner to be on i just don't want you to kill me in front of my family and the guy says to him we haven't gotten to that point yet but there was no like claim that this is something that never happens we try to assassinate people in other countries all the time trump just killed that general uh in in that iranian general and there were no consequences there was yeah but this happens all the time why wouldn't it happen well it happens because it's convenient and it can be done and it's efficacious right it does work and if but this is the problem and don't you think that they're basically tried to kill julian assange they're not doing it they did in a sloppy way but they're doing whatever they can to kill the guy they're doing something that doesn't seem right it's like what i need to know like what what are you allowed to do based on what he did right like what did he actually do what he really did was expose things like his actions that were true that were true and we're criminal yes right or at least negligible yes like the the the when they shot down on the journalists with the the the telephoto lens they thought he was he had a gun right they're looking at they did they had bad
graphics or bad optics yeah yeah yeah yeah um the real problem was there's like a lot of stuff there there's a lot of things that were happening as with the edward snowden thing there's a lot of things to take into consideration the things that aren't legal like you're not supposed to be able to do that like hold on you're listening to everybody you're reading all the emails you don't even have a warrant yeah why are you allowed to do that because you want a popularity contest what the [ __ ] are you doing this is how we slide into dictatorships and people like you're an [ __ ] you say this why do you like there's a video that uh samuel rivera made and people got mad at me because i reposted it it was me talking about freedom and had a bunch of imagery of like cuba nazi germany and the soviet union and china and like it's like talking about dictators but these images you show hitler and you talk about freedom and people go what are you saying joe just this past summer the u.s government government drone strikes a bunch of children and called them isis k because k stands for kindergarten in this context apparently and no one who did this had any consequences for it well there was a bunch of kids it was like seven children right and you're like well oops oops doesn't cover it i'm sorry and it's a complete mistake it wasn't the right people to kill and the idea that their lives aren't as important like if that was done like let's let's imagine that that same drone strike was done but it hit the trump family and it was ivanka trump and jared trump and barron trump and melania and they all got murdered by a drone you'd be like holy [ __ ] like we're sorry we thought they were terrorists or any random family even any random factor if another country don't strike some kids here but imagine a high profile person sure imagine like you know [ __ ] pick a person pick a person tucker carlson and his mom sure you know like they get they get drone strike he'd be like holy [ __ ] yes and like this is a mistake sorry we made a
mistake like we would it would be chaotic but if it happens way way way away from us and it's a bunch of children we're like there's literally no register right like the register was like you know whose fault that is the corporate press because they're interested in making sure that the narrative sticks this is something that does not stick to the narrative so they sweep it in the rug right a day of outrage and then everyone's like back to normal i don't even think they had a day of outrage if that right did cnn have a day of outrage about the bombings no not cnn particularly but but that's a really important story like if if that had happened it was trump and trump had killed a bunch of people accidentally and seven of them were children that would be a giant story that should be a story for everybody that's worse than the phone call he made that he got him impeached no it's not killing kids no it's not i disagree i heard that they peed on each other what the steel dossier what was it was it like peeing wait are you joking yes okay but i mean that wasn't what he was impeaching no no i'm joking yeah yeah for sure like yeah you're totally right it's crazy yes it's crazy that this is something that is even being discussed it's like we've lost our [ __ ] minds we've never had them i mean this is something that's been going on for a very long time and no one seems to because you know we're taught in school that war is a last resort but there's so many people whom it's a first priority now there's a financial priority right there's there's so much money involved and it justifies the military budget we have to think about this when it comes to everything when it comes to diet when it comes to foreign policy when it comes to medical care we have to think about money because money motivates people in spectacular ways i so disagree and think it's power not money well i think it's both it's both sure but i think they get off more you get the money no first you get the power then you get the money then you get the [ __ ] so you're saying right i don't think biden's doing this for the [ __ ] you don't know that dumb
[ __ ] still thinks it's going to happen wait can we talk about he thinks they're going to have some [ __ ] pill with this burger just stay alive for 36 more months and 36 months in they hit him with a pill there it is let me hear it [ __ ] lesbian lesbian this country you gotta make the money first oh it's money then when you get the money you get the power then when you get a power then you get the woman the power comes after but we're we're massages we said [ __ ] and he said woman oh you got the [ __ ] no you get the censored version on youtube he definitely said [ __ ] oh really yes you got the [ __ ] version then you get the woman it's the [ __ ] that's gonna say the same thing different video but it's too quiet okay so apparently he says it more than once yeah it says it given here i mean if you google movie quotes it'll probably tell you what yeah yeah first you'll get the money yeah urban dictionary says women yeah wow so it's like the berenstein bears oh yeah or or play it again sam what's that that doesn't happen no that's why woody allen called the movie played against sam what he never says it what yeah yeah you didn't you drunk you know that no i used to do stand-up but played against sam's yeah no i did stand up and play it against sam's in boston it was one of the first times i ever saw comedy yeah like i thought he said it nope who says it no one says it that's not in the movie double check jamie i could be talking to my ass say it repeat though play it again sam from casablanca yeah i think that's i think that's one of those false memories like mandela being in jail yeah yeah yeah wait a minute mandela was never in jail no people think he died in jail some people play it against sam let's play it then what am i thinking of the shortest one play it does anyone say play that oh yeah that's okay there's a
movie but yeah here we go i'll do that one play that one it might not be you might be right humphrey bogart old school one of the first watches ever boss yeah boss aren't you going to bed not right now ain't you planning on going to bed in the near future no you ever going to bed no you used to be much better liars [Music] leave them alone yeah that's sam you're bad luckily it wants them yeah i don't know what you mean hold on as time goes by well i can't remember it myself i'm a little rusty that's some bad acting [Music] [Music] so she never really says it or we're in the alternate timeline let's imagine this 1952 42 is that 42 yeah yeah that's 42. that's all oh i thought it was later too i thought i would think 45 40 60s no 42 is crazy that's pre-world war two that's during world war two but i mean like pre the end of war yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm sorry yeah they were like making it 42 is crazy that's so long ago okay that's 80 years ago yeah we're old oh but that's that's what invited was in high school they had watches 80 years ago they watched this for a long time i'm joking around well wrist watches talking about the woody allen movie yes it's made off of false premise was the whole thing yeah yeah right okay that would if there was a time in in uh if if i can only travel back to a particular time in u.s history i would be real i would have two dilemmas the first dilemma would be i want to be in 1776 i want to see like the early days the chaos yeah like what is it like to ride around on a donkey and like worry that the british are coming and then a donkey yeah with donkeys mules they're riding around mules they had a lot of mules back there but they were riding them mules are a better animal to ride in inclement weather in
rugged terrain okay but they were riding them though yes okay yes it's a big thing in the south okay okay in the south mules are more dependable uh to uh not take precarious paths okay like you can talk a horse into jumping off a cliff okay just keep riding it mule like [ __ ] yeah okay got it so mules are like smarter about movement on rugged terrain and they last longer they need less my a friend of mine uh clay newcomb he's been on this podcast before he actually raises mules oh that's cool he's got a podcast called bear grease why is it called bear grease because it's about like the commodity of bear fat in the like the early days it was a huge uh it was a huge trading thing like bear fat was very valuable and bears were very valuable and during the pioneer days like like during those days where the settlers were making their way west yeah yeah in arkansas in particular where he's from bears were more important than deer more important than any other game animal they all eight bears i i'm into wet shaving and i was going to get some shaving soap made with bear tala when she couldn't get the tallow because it was hard to find now so this is still a thing well the thing is you you can't sell it commercially because like black bears can't be like we we're real weird when it comes to animals yeah yeah like and some animals we're allowed you domesticate like you can domesticate a cow because there's no wheel there's no real wild examples of bovines those kind of cows in america there are in some like hawaii has a little bit of it so you can say one part of america and australia has they're called scrub bulls and what a scrub bull is a wild domestic cow that has morphed and become much more aggressive and super dangerous like the dingo no degeneration of domesticated dogs it's like nah dude no all dogs come from wolves no but dingles came from domesticated dogs dingo comes from a domesticated dog it's going backwards right right going more that's that might be the case but for sure a dingo came originally from a wolf sure but it skipped right it went back to being a wolf it's like a boomerang is it but wait a minute here's the thing
like that's all are they do they originate in australia i think jamie can you look this up i thought they were like dogs that went farrell and kind of all brought each other but i could be completely wrong no i think you're right because that makes more sense because i know they don't bark but that way they probably wouldn't have ever like if it's like a thousand-year-old thing like they maybe they never encountered wolves right like maybe they came from this line that went from wolves to dogs right and that's why that's australia and then dogs who go wild and that's why they're not really scared of people that make sense it's my understanding my baby but this is why i'm saying it's my understanding it's a movie right steinfeld well i don't know where she got it from i guess oh it's from meryl streep movies yeah i just got yeah it's like when you hear a cover song and thinks the original because you heard the cover first it was a meryl streep movie about a woman in australia who i think they accused of murdering her kids and she said it didn't go with my baby yeah yeah yeah yeah and everyone's like wait what you know yeah that's awesome is the dingo uh degeneration of this yeah what is that i was digging through an article on the mitochondria dna research on that and like maybe east asia i think is where it came from but i couldn't get back to see if you can find that part of it yeah you see people need to fund this thing fund what thing is yeah this is the conundrum where the dingo came from australia is a wild place man it's so rugged and they're so individualistic no they're not not anymore oh sorry i'll shut up cockblocker i was like but they're the people that have fallen into the most preposterous polite state in the western world like out of all the countries yeah that have hit like the worst possible scenario in terms of like how do you respond oh yeah you have the smallest number of people that have been killed with corona right like people blame this colin powell thing on covid but the reality is he was in poor health and
very old the headline said after complications with kova not due to complications he's also in his 80s which is above the average age that people die we have an expiration date ladies and gentlemen right so especially keith olbermann oh he's we let him off the hook right now oh i'm never going to let him doing good oh no no no you don't let them off the hook once they're on the hook you've got to twist it you got to twist that knife you got to get them back from your goal what's your ultimate goal with this keith olbermann thing i hope to accomplish from this oh keith i don't i don't have ultimate goal with him but it's just fun for the lulls that's the girlfriend for the lulls yeah okay i gotta this is uh about i think the best i'll get is this first paragraph here maybe which is oh when uh whole genome sequencing indicates that while dogs are genetically divergent subspecies as a gray wolf the dog is not a descendant of the extant gray wolf rather they are sister tax that would share a common ancestor from a ghost population of wolves that disappeared at the end of the late pleistocene oh my god i sense a movie the dogs are not super species okay separate species the dingo and the basin jay basenji it's a breed oh okay in basil uh members of the domestic dog clade okay so you're right yeah so it seems like the dingo were probably you know there's a problem with that in parts of rural georgia yeah i believe a woman someone got killed i think it was a woman got killed by domestic dogs that are wild in georgia recently and torn apart it's horrible there's like packs of dogs that are acting like predators i i'm looking for meat i tom chalu who used to who i think he's still on fox i remember it like he had a book and i read his book and he talked about how when he was a kid in boston like in the 50s or 60s there'd be packs of dogs that would maul kids on their bikes and and i'd be like wait and he's just like yeah that's what it was i'm like how is this normal that you're on a bike and these dogs just attack you and he just basically played it off and i'm
like i don't i still can't wrap my head around the are they killing the kids are they dismembering them he's like no no they attack you and then you kind of chase them off and i'm like you seem to be pretty blase about something that seems to be very very disturbing dude people get blase about what's around them all the time that's true when people are used to that's the [ __ ] up thing about people is how quickly they accept whatever the circumstances are and this is one of the things about covid that we've realized is how quick it is for people to change yeah yeah they think and change their behavior i mean there's certain like we have no so sorry well that's why you show us what we are so adaptive this is a i was i was waiting for another opening did you hear the story of the woman in huntsville that was found in a van for two weeks what they found a body in a van that was there for two weeks and no one was like how did they get there and it was in a police lot they were looking for and they're like oh it turns out she's in the back of this van that's just been sitting here oh my god i just saw this like while i was on the plane i was digging through it i didn't hear a lot of information about it i just they just released a video of showing her getting into it the van which oh my god in a policeman oh holy crap i didn't misunderstood yet those are cool i'm sorry yeah wait a minute the the she they put her the police fan they forgot her they don't know how she she got in there herself they're saying oh my god she entered into it and then she couldn't get out because there's no handles on the inside and then it was 88 degrees for two weeks or something like that oh my god wait look uh so she climbed in a police van without her i didn't without her phone that's part of the questioning is like without her phone how do you know why why did she get in there she's a woman why was she in the van why like how did no one check on her why would you climb into any van that that again this is a story of like she was what if you wanted to go to the mall and people were bringing it up as the like uh comparison to the gabby potatoes and uh situation where like a big big story for two three
four five weeks now and this has been happening and no one has heard well this reminds me more of that lady with the hotel in l.a remember that with the thing with the elevator and they yeah yeah there's a documentary on netflix about that well they all excuse me the other thing about this is uh the police have said stuff that her family is like that doesn't make any sense what do you mean what'd they say um oh the police might have forgot about her that that's i'm reading this off of like they might not have by the way i don't want to get sued michael mouse yeah i mean this is cnn so you got to take it without i just was clicking the first thing i saw about it what does it say the police face questions yeah they don't know like again they don't know how it got in there how they didn't find her in the back of the parking lot for two weeks but if you don't use a certain van for two weeks that's terrifying here's the thing like i don't know how those things work but if the lock works on the outside but it doesn't there's no handles on the inside because you got prisoners sure sure you could easily open that up and go i'm gonna take a nap in here like i'm if you're a homeless person she's not yeah i get it but like maybe she's homeless wait if you're at home it's gonna be hotter in the van than outside the correct what if it's outside during the news conference this mosquitoes she's walking around the parking lot she lays down in the bushes at some point she sits on the hood of a police car for some time all this happens about 10 minutes before she enters the van yeah she was tripping balls like what she's saying is all like someone who's drunk yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and she probably climbed into the vehicle and died because the heat oh my god because the vehicle look at how they write this because the vehicle was designed for inmate transport once the back doors are closed there's no way to open them from the inside how terrifying is that to be tripping balls and you just realize like well hey hey how do i get out of here bang bang bang hey hey bang bang bang hey and all of a
sudden it's 75 you're like oh my god i have to drink my own urine okay so then you're trying to figure out you michael malus you trying to figure out how to stay alive tripping balls you were hanging out with bert crusher he got you hammered and he climbed into a police car you're like [ __ ] the police and you took a nap joe if i'm tripping balls why am i going to where the cops are because you're so high you don't know what you're doing that's have you ever tripped balls that's i've never been that high how hard i'm going towards the the [ __ ] cops that's the that's [Laughter] what does this say this is like when you said why the police have questions to answer okay the hunt where is it where does it say which part which part initially delayed giving the family the incorrect date for the last time they saw her oh boy mccarver she's a snitch oh they might have killed her she was oh she's a snitch they knew her pretty well they worked with her to provide resources oh wait maybe they bet they were giving her resources like she was pulling to work with her to oh my god they might have said listen [ __ ] if you don't tell us what the [ __ ] to do we're gonna no but no but they have videos of her yeah yeah so you know that didn't happen yeah yeah all right i'm painting a fake scenario yeah this is how rumors get started this is how you write an episode of csi yes but no it said they have worked her in the past to provide resources that meant they were helping her that that's oh look at this the video was not clear enough to indicate that that was our sister christina nance that's what people were sort of saying is like because they said they had a video and everyone's like well i guess it's gonna be grainy enough that we can't see her face we won't even know who it is getting in there because they could have made a fake video to say this is what happened to help there's so many problems i guess you guys have heard about the story no i hadn't yet that makes me very sad it is sad it's a die like that is horrific just an
earshot of like you know everyone else that's really kind of and banging on those doors jesus that's awful i feel bad for her and her family her family yeah that's not a good way to go have you ever been how do you want to go hot no water [ __ ] like nelson rockefeller nelson rockefeller have a bit about it okay i don't know i probably want to asteroid hit me right in the face like i don't want to be knocked back in the stone age if one of those pleistocene type one of them yucatan craters yeah yeah you know one of them asteroids christ right in the face just hit me with this six mile wide chunk of steel from space or iron from space hit me right in the face boom let's see what's next i don't wanna eat people i don't want to be a cannibal i don't i don't want to weather i don't want to do like stalin style soviet union eat your babies wait what's up with anything what do you mean lex was telling me that there was periods of time during stalin's reign where people who are starving to death ate their children yeah he's there's he must be referring to the seizure leningrad or the holodomor when they starve the the i talk about that my forthcoming book um how and they knew you were holding food if you weren't starving here's the thing michael i don't think humans are that much different from than humans back then of course we're not that's all paleo idea yeah and i think that if you looked at like what it is like the if you could take what a human is what what entails being a human being and you could narrow it down to a specific group of elements and ingredients we are the same thing exactly the same thing so it's possible with the wrong set of circumstances the wrong events the wrong humans in charge to get to a point where people are so [ __ ] that they're eating their kids oh yeah if that could happen 100 years ago it can happen 100 years from now we're the same thing it takes thousands of years for us to change what
it means to be a person and we we haven't really changed that much in the late 1800s early 1900s the talking point was we're never going to have war again because now we're civilized and we have technology and we've figured it out and then came the great war and then as a result of that they had to invent plastic surgery because it was the first time you had human beings meeting metal machines of war and coming back all disfigured and completely deformed and medical science increased yeah we keep those people alive right yeah when i was a kid um i lived in san francisco let me introduce you can you pull up the first guy who had plastic surgery like if you look at this you've seen that picture it's just i gotta pee do you want to keep going yeah let's do it let's pee pee will come back michael mouse ladies and gentlemen one of the greats so how was your pee did you enjoy it i didn't pee you didn't take a [ __ ] i didn't i was sitting here the whole time you didn't leave at all no oh they told me you did it was jamie jamie's a liar it was confusion there was confusion jamie's short for cnn relax relax i ran out there to pee they didn't know who it was can't see and then be saved michael mouse no no i don't think the corporate press can or should be saved i think the amount of blood these people have on their hands is uh unforgivable do you think that it the mantle should be handed over in terms of viewership in terms of what we um what we ingest in terms of media should be handed over to these independent places things like breaking points i don't think should is the word i would use but i think they'll be this is why i'm so hopeful for this country i think it's inevitable look at when when you and i were kids there was sam goody and coconuts and the wiz and those are the record stores and you can only get a certain amount of records and now those stores don't exist and there's more music than ever and you get at the press of a button and for virtually nothing so i think there's no reason for news to be as commodified and to be as centralized as it is i saw somebody say something what i'll say that's not good that that music's available for virtually nothing though that's great you want so they're used to
the consumer but not for the artist there's plenty of artists who are making it happen there's it's always it's uh look for example my my books you can bootcled them bootleg them and i'm not getting seeing a set but there's enough people who are paying that enables me to have that be my income my book the anarchist handbook which i dropped in may was the top non-fiction book on amazon for a few hours and i didn't go through a publisher this is a new means of publishing and i'm very very excited about what that means for the future it is really interesting that there's not a gatekeeper right that all you have to do is have something that resonates with people right yeah you know the hunter gatherers guide the uh brett weinstein in uh heather hein book hunter-gatherers guide to the 21st century is uh i mean it it shot through the [ __ ] roof on amazon yeah immediately it was just because of the love that people have for them and their honest opinions when you're an independent person making it happen people are desperate it's like tipping your your waiter you really want to show your support and buy their product and i've been the recipient of that and i'm very grateful for that that's all i do that's my whole world yeah my whole world is putting out the best version of whatever the [ __ ] i put out i can you're not going to like no one is going to like everything but that's what being authentic means when you love someone you know like a friend or partner you're gonna be like all right they do this that's annoying or i hate this quality about them but you accept them in their totality because that's them being them as opposed to some corporate nonsense where you pretend that you're perfect and everything's you know flawless that's [ __ ] human beings are far more complex than that yeah no network is flawless and no vaccine is flawless isn't it crazy that saying that is that that's controversial well what you said logically if you want to look at all the data points you'd be like makes sense i see i see where he drew
his conclusion yeah but if you want to be a part of the cool kids club and you want to go to the emmys i mean the idea that they're the cool kids well they sat they stood up and applauded while harvey weinstein is exposing himself to half the women in hollywood i think what we have to do is make a new cool kids club it's happening now i think it is but i think we have to maybe do it consciously well we have to do it based on some very clearly established uh ethics and one of them is just like be nice be nice not nice kind be kind it's good be kind be kind is good that's a good way to say it be kind be honest these are like if you just get past be kind to be honest if we can get everybody to do the four agreements what are the four agreements do you know the domiguel miguel uh don miguel ruiz wrote a book called the four agreements it's really beautiful and uh if you get the audio version it's really easy to digest because it's written it's uh read rather by peter coyote the actor and it's uh one be impeccable with your word this is the idea these are the four agreements be impeccable with your word like just there's no reason to say something you don't really believe if you think that it serves you this is my interpretation but if you think that it serves you to be a liar and to be disingenuous ultimately based on my own experience it doesn't serve you because any any like victory you gain through deception you lose points in how you feel about yourself it's also very hard to sustain a lie because at some point you're because a lie by definition is going against reality and at some point reality is going to catch up with you it also keeps you from really connecting with people yes yeah they need to know that you're telling the truth because i don't you know your best version of it yes the people that i value the most are the people that with humility and self-deprecation and honesty and they can look at themselves for what the [ __ ] they really are so here's another one don't take anything personally if there's anything out of this book that's helped me more
than anyth more than anything it's don't take things personally because if people say mean [ __ ] about you people immediately want to lash out they immediately want to attack they immediately want to like make it their goal to destroy that person it's it's a waste of energy like if you want to discuss it publicly like we just did on this podcast like me even this may be an argument against that but taking it personally is [ __ ] dangerous but come on it's not good you can't take anything personally there's lots of statistics personally i just don't think it's good for you i don't think it's good for you i think i don't think it benefits you i think maintaining i want to call it a zen mind state but what i mean is a surrender prayer there's a there's a mind state that you can achieve where you're less troubled by things that you have no control over and i think that is probably better for everybody like when i some people ask me how i deal with like all the garbage on on social media and i'm like look i'm from new york right if you're in new york and someone gets up to you in the subway and starts cursing you and calling you stupid and all these other things you're not going to take the comments under advisement your only thought is how do i get away from this person as fast as possible so that is a similar mind if there's a stranger who's berating you on twitter or facebook it's fine you don't have to but there's lots of things i take personally if i value someone's opinion if they're close uh have an intimate relationship with them and they say bad things about me yeah it's gonna hurt right but this is the perspective when that person does that recognize that well this person i now know is capable of doing something that's very weak but what if they're doing it and they're right what if they're pointing out a flaw of mine that is actually accurate well that's not personal then you should be thankful i am thankful but i'm still taking it okay that's not taking it personally like hey why the [ __ ] don't mean well if they're saying if if that number two is don't be defensive that's the best advice you can give it's i think that's essentially what they're
saying but it's a little bit more complicated and nuanced if you say don't take things personally it's kind of open for interpretation okay but for me i mean it's like how i view it it's helped me a lot to not create additional conflict if you think about when you're doing a show let's just say you put a podcast out and it reaches a thousand people sure out of those thousand you're gonna have 30 people that hate it sure maybe a hundred sure who knows maybe it's one out of ten um those people might tweet about it you might read that tweet and decide that everybody hates it no no you might yeah that's crazy right right yeah but you might decide because you're defensive you read someone's interpretation of what you said and they get angry my point is that there's a lesson to be learned about human beings interacting online that hasn't really existed before this era that we're living in right now with the internet and then i say don't take anything personally listening to what he's saying i think we're we're dealing with a whole new level of that and if you could just say people just talk like if you say something crazy or who whatever you do if i talk to you i won't take anything personally and like unless i can look you in the eye and have a conversation with you and and not just a short one if we have a disagreement i want to know what you think and why you think it and i want you to be able to listen to what i think and why i think in a way that's going to be the most digestible so i'm going to say it in the most nice way possible that's my goal so when i say don't take anything personally don't make it harder it's hard enough to be a finite life span sure a life form a finite life form on a planet it's hurling through infinity and a lot of times it's not really about you it's about their dad or about the someone who broke up with them in high school but everything if it's hysterical to start it's about genetics you know it's about [ __ ] geography it's about economics it's about there's a million different factors but i think the other the other thing young creators don't appreciate is
make sure if you're creating a product whether it's a book podcast whatever that you're doing it for yourself if you're comfortable if you enjoy it and it doesn't resonate with the audience doesn't mean that it's the wrong thing like a lot of times i'll do things that people find stupid but i'm having fun yeah and it's sure if i'm having fun then it's easy for me to produce for sure i mean that's the whole history of this show yeah yeah it's just two guys hanging out having conversations so here's the other one don't make assumptions that's another good one don't make assumptions be aware of all of the possibilities it's not like to be ignorant or to to be unrealistic about negative outcomes but don't make assumptions just don't walk into things already at seven all revved up yeah yeah because you could go up to seven right it's a lot easier to go two seven that go from seven to one absolutely and then the best one always do your best now unconsciously i had been working on two of those i had been working on be impeccable with your word and i had been working on always do your best it's just naturally just realizing from trial and error in my life where do i get over best i get over best when i'm always honest and i be impeccable with what i say and i'm not always accurate with it i [ __ ] it up and i feel bad about it but when i when i'm my thought is like say what you mean and mean what you say that's be impeccable with your word always do your best always do your best be my easiest one because it doesn't necessarily come with social consequences if you can just try your best and like especially like in competition when you get two sprinters talking [ __ ] to each other on the starting blocks like that there's a part of always doing your best is also talking [ __ ] to each other sure trying to make that person feel bad before you [ __ ] launch yourself here's another way that the corolla always do your best if you're asking for someone for a favor make it as easy for them to say yes as possible right do your best at it and do your best to take as much on your shoulders as you can yes so they have to do the
least effort on their part like i've had people be like hey can you look over this essay for me well it still needs a little work no no no send it to me when you've got it as good as you can get it right so that's when you need my help because my time is important and you should treat it accordingly and vice versa there's some people with some decent ideas that think that the way to get through is to have someone grab your hand and pull you up the mountain right that's not always true no like there's levels of ideas you might have a number two idea and you think it's a four idea you know you might have a four you think it's a six right and this is part of the problem with being a person so we overestimate what we are based on the amount of input that we get and if we only get input from a very small group of people and those people are all scared and anxious and clueless we're [ __ ] yes and when you're young you're going to ask your dumb little friends for advice and they don't want to seem stupid so they'll give you what they know but they don't know what the hell they're talking about either exactly so ask someone who's made it happen if you can get a hold of them and even when you get to them you got to catch them at the right time yeah you don't want to catch them while they're dying because when they get older they start panicking and they start [ __ ] bullshitting themselves and they're getting a [ __ ] you and they stand on the balcony above central park spewing spit and yelling about people afraid oh this is the other meme that i watch let's see this is my new favorite meme hold please oh please here it is jamie come on genie there it goes i sent it to you ready this is the best meme of what's today's date uh october 18 2021 this is the best meme oh yeah i've seen that oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's it's biden making this mean face next to this old man from what is that from jeff something jeff foxworthy no it's not jeff fox it's a comedian he does a bunch of those characters oh dumb jeff dunham yeah yeah why does it jeff foxworthy we should end this podcast i'm drunk
i had to get a little buzzed i had a few drinks yeah okay i'm dealing with uh all this nonsense and i don't like it really is it getting to you no then what you just it just leaves a bad taste in your mouth don't like it i don't like that this is uh this kind of fake talk is acceptable i don't like it yeah it makes me upset because it's 20 21 and i think that [ __ ] is nonsense i think i think they're blowing smoke signals i think they're sending [ __ ] morse code it doesn't it's not good for anybody like what are you trying to do are you trying to tell the truth and make some money this is not the way to do it what you're doing is some legacy [ __ ] that's based on principles that are only valid when the whole world didn't have youtube right yeah this is why we're gonna win because they're living in an outdated model and these are not impressive people that we're up against this is why it's so confusing when a [ __ ] cage fighting commentator and a dirty comedian who like who started a podcast to talk [ __ ] while getting high with his friends yeah if that becomes a problem right right why is that resonating with people how can you be hopeless about america when this is the case this is what's going on yeah yeah so these people that talk like when was the last time you heard any of those people say [ __ ] oh why don't they say that that's a real word these times you just got the that's the clip they're going to pull this is the level of discourse on the joe rogan experience that's exactly the level of discourse it varies wildly widely and wildly but why don't you talk like a person that i know do you know that back in the day in comic books uh and this is germaine they weren't allowed to have characters named clint because in comic books when the letters are all written out in capitals it looks like [ __ ] so they just put you see what i'm saying so they just put together a clip show for my um
youtube called malice clips but we're going to call it malice cups because it just looks [ __ ] like that well they made uh bruce banner from the comic books david yeah the tv show because bruce is a gay name yeah bruce and lance and julian how crazy but is that bruce is the ultimate game but i love the idea that like somehow you're going to name your son bruce and all of a sudden he's just going to be attracted to dudes can we pull up data on how many karen's were named this year oh it's probably serious it's probably zero i've been going after this karen on twitter it's been really funny she's been having her ass handed to her is her name really karen no it's ruth marcus she's this what did she do she had this thing about like she was on an elevator she asked the guy to take up his mask please and he's like you basically go [ __ ] yourself and she goes well that's the state of america today and everyone just piled on her hard and she's been doubling down this morning she goes well in honor of colin powell let me explain why masks and the elevators are a good idea it's like [ __ ] they're saying about colin powell how sweet is that move though attaching yourself to colin powell oh only three two oh yeah yeah karen was the third most popular name for girls in 1965 meaning there were almost 33 000 newborn cairns that year do you know what two names last year there were 325 baby girls named karen which is fewer than the 439 who were given the name in 2019. so there's people hanging in there do you know 325 with karen the first name that fell off the fastest was adolf okay obviously how about that mustache but the psycho the guy from spark still has it there who sparks this band that's been around since the 70s is two brothers he's got a hitler oh yeah german mustache the hitler is only good above the snatch that's right for a small amount of time but above the [ __ ] you don't mind at all there's no one who's getting mad about it they're a great band okay yeah seems more like a charlie chaplin to me but i'll let it go well they wouldn't let him play in germany i think at one point or an austria or something
like that because of the mustache yeah that's a hitler yeah no that that's a hitler and they're really quirky look at them with the marrying each other if you look at the top row you see at the right there yeah so they're very funny quirky band they're two brothers wow he's hanging in there with the hitler yeah yeah he wouldn't let him in germany you get the wrong mustache but the second name that fell off the fastest was hillary oh adolf and then hillary that's got to be zero but now i think it's come back people like her again but for a while there she was really really really you need to watch videos yeah then to watch their back [Laughter] yeah anything else should we wrap this up uh yeah wrap it up let's do it let's do it on a high note my friend glad to have you in austin texas thank you fellow texan thank you thanks for being here when the world has gone topsy turvy ladies and gentlemen michael mouse for all the hot takes follow him on twitter talk [ __ ] if you dare anything else anarchist handbook.com yeah go there and what was the other you have a another funny website was another one that we talked about earlier are you on oh [ __ ] i just review um i just forwarded it to the twitter page fucktards.org fucktards.org goodnight world [Music] you