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[Music] hello joe what's it like to be in twitter jail well you're not even in twitter jail you're like excommunicado i'm i'm banned you're banned permanently for telling the truth for telling the truth that's what the fascinating thing is everything that you were banned for is verifiable there's sources you could go read those sources i watch the whole process go down i i don't understand um yeah well i'm not a naive guy but i thought that being right would would actually help and it turns out being right hurts well during this incredibly confusing time where people are more hysterical and more freaked out and anxiety-filled than i've ever seen people in all of my 54 years of life this is the peak this is this is post 9 11 peak like 9 11 was a big anxiety moment for people but at least it brought us all together this because of whatever it is it's whether it's social media algorithms where it's just just in the inevitable decline of an empire whatever the [ __ ] it is we have hit a weird place right now yes um i you know i would say the people who were sort of very complacent about vaccinations uh and being vaccinated in the spring are now very angry but they're actually the wrong people they're somehow they're blaming people who are not vaccinated they should be blaming pfizer and the lies that the cdc told them well what's really interesting is almost no anger at the lab in wuhan that's true too very strange almost no anger almost none it's almost like an inconvenient truth that most likely this virus emerged from a lab i mean sagar and jetty from breaking points broke down exactly when it went down who are the initial people that got infected how it most likely spread it's been documented by josh dubin extensively the involvement of fauci the nih the eco health alliance all of the input all of the deceptive public statements contrasted to the internal emails that showed a real concern that they might be responsible for it a real concern that
gain of function research might have been the cause of this and no anger at that but anger at people who are unvaccinated even people who are unvaccinated and healthy even people who have taken care of their body for their entire life exercised ate right take vitamins people who are fit and who don't want to take a chance with anything else yeah i mean it's funny you mentioned the lab league so you know i now have this sub stack which is sort of my inadequate effort to replace twitter tell people how to get to that by the way sure so uh sub stack is substack.com my uh subset is essentially a newsletter service and a hosting service and they have guaranteed free expression that's what that's what they've said they've said they're not going to censor i have to choose to believe them on that i i believed in twitter for a while that confidence was clearly misplaced but some sub substances they're not going to censor me or other people and i got to hope that's true how many people do you have in your substance more than 150 000 that's nice yes let's see if we can juice that up i hope so yeah here it is unreported truths yes so you type in your email and then you can subscribe or you can just say let me read it first you have to subscribe and you will see the fir beautiful excited to be in austin to talk to joe rogan today yeah beautiful um and so uh so you by the way most of the people who are signed up do not pay you can choose to pay or not pay basically you're going to get the same content i'm very clear about that there will be a few things extra you get but for the most part this is not it's not about money for me it's about getting the largest audience possible and so i have more than 150 000 people signed up right now but i got to tell you twitter on twitter i had 350 345 000 and that was growing uh by about a thousand a day towards the end and um i had 25 million profile views in august and almost 200 million uh impressions so twitter in in cutting me off twitter not only defamed me they really
hurt my efforts to get the word out well it's also one of the very best examples that i think i've ever come across of egregious censorship that is ideologically based and not based on anyone doing anything that is uh whether it's what i don't know what their code of conduct is whether it's about someone being malicious or it's about someone being untruthful or misrepresentation of the facts you did none of those none of those things no you really didn't i mean i watched it very carefully i mean you and i went back and forth with dms and i i i watched your your feed very carefully and you would ask me questions something and i'd say you know joe i disagree with this yeah you know you can't go this far i would say that to you um well you were very yeah you're very i would say very objective about your interpretation of the data and what you think is going on versus you know what is uh being purported and i should say first of all right away you were correct about a lot of the data particularly coming out of israel you sounded the warning shots long before anyone else that not only did the vaccines have uh a certain there's a like a window of of efficacy whether it's three months or five months whatever it is in there yeah yeah but you were saying that people who are vaccinated are getting sick and people were treating that like you were saying that vampires were rising it was crazy it was crazy to watch they were saying you're lying but now that's the narrative the narrative is like the vaccines are never supposed to prevent you from getting sick they're supposed to keep you from being hospitalized not even that anymore now it's basically they'll prevent you from dying which which also probably i mean there's there's there's evidence there's some evidence of benefit of really serious illness or death but i'm not even convinced we're gonna when we look back over let's say another 12 months out that that's going to be the case okay well there have been people that have been fully vaccinated who've died and it's publicly there was one that was crazy where this woman was fully vaccinated she got coveted she died
and the the headline was because some people didn't get vaccinated my mom died and i was like what the [ __ ] did you just say but but joe it's much worse than that you say some people like it's rare in in the uk okay and the best data we have comes out of the uk and israel and i i have to keep saying this to people because they almost don't believe it in the uk 70 plus percent of the people who die now from covet are fully vaccinated and in israel that's 70 70 7 in 10 of the people i'm gonna keep saying it because nobody believes it but the numbers are there in the government documents okay they're not a secret it's not a conspiracy theory it's not somebody saying oh i heard this from my cousin it's in british government documents can you put put that up so jamie can see it sure if you go to um it's called the technical briefing uh uh from the uk public health england if you look at variance of concern you should be able to pull up google should have a couple pages for you and then i can walk you through where it is but but just to be clear on this seven out of ten of the people dying of covid in the uk now are fully vaccinated and another five percent or so are partly vaccinated meaning they had one shot but not the second that was also the case in israel until august i mean in august and that's why they freaked out and made everyone get boosters because when you get the booster you briefly drive up your antibodies we don't know what the long-term effects are but in the short term that makes the numbers look better for vaccines this is crazy what's what's crazy is that i know a lot of people that got vaccinated and then immediately stop taking vitamins a good friend of mine he got vaccinated and then he got covered after he got vaccinated he goes you know what man once i got vaccinated i stopped taking vitamins i stopped i stopped because before that he was taking zinc and vitamin c and quercetin and he was like really keeping up on his vitamin regimen and making sure that he was and then once he got vaccinated he was like oh
we're good i made it and then he got covered and then i got covered and he probably was okay right in the end but he probably would have been okay either way he was okay he wasn't feeling so good and his doctor prescribed him ivermectin ah i remember this is before the ivermectin horse dewormer craze became public disinformation campaign number one um but ivor mikton essentially knocked him out of it he he was good within 24 hours after taking ivermectin so i'm going to say something you don't like no we have no idea if ivermectin works or doesn't well i know what we do know it works in vitro we do know that right yes but the argument is that it's given okay explain that how it works in vitro okay so the idea is that it interferes with the binding of uh of sars cove to to your cells it stops viral replication in vitro though but the old joke about this is it's easy to cure cancer and mice okay right human beings are complicated and the argument that people the anti ivormac that argument people make is in doses that would be another if you dose it for humans at the levels that it that it blocks that replication in vitro you'd kill humans so in other words it's not really yes kill humans i'm excited enough that's true because it's not really a toxic i'm i'm exaggerating but what the point is that i'm trying to make is that at the levels that it's given in humans which i think is less than a milligram per kilogram of body weight it doesn't have a six points 0.66 right that it hasn't been shown at those levels in vitro to work i i i don't claim to be an expert on by the way um do you know about what's going on in india and uh one state in india where they've given the the kits yeah yes yes they've essentially eliminated uh kovid in this state of 230 million people yes which is pretty wild yes i'm not saying ivermectin doesn't work joe what i'm saying is that we've we have to stand against junk science whether it's junk science about vaccines whether it's junk science about hcq you have to test this stuff in clinical trials
yes um for people that want to look up the india thing it's uh i think it's called i'm trying to utter pradesh yeah yes i don't know u-t-t-a-r utah pradesh and they've essentially eliminated kovid with this preventative kit that they've given out to people which includes ivermectin yes and i know you had a good experience with ivory i did but but here's the thing man i threw everything at it i had intravenous vitamins what was fascinating to me is like how everybody just get latched on to the ivermectin thing that's all they talked about and they started calling it hoist horse dewormer until i threatened to sue cnn and then they stopped talking about it but i was like what the [ __ ] are you guys you know i can afford people medicine like it's a real people medicine not only is it a real people medicine it's literally on the world health organization's list of essential medicines it's been given out to billions of people do you know ivermectin was a game changer in central africa yes it's the medicine that essentially ended river blindness in central africa and one of the inventors of it shared a nobel prize for finding it in 2015 that's right it's one of the great actually one of the great pharmaceutical stores the last 40 years because merck which is you can't trust any of these companies but merck is the best of them even though we can talk about mark and viax separately merck invent found iver mekton and the the the ceo at the time this was like 30 years ago who was a physician said basically we can't make any money off this in the u.s there's no market for river blindness in the u.s i'm going to give this away and there is a statue in merck's lobby in the lobby in new jersey of uh you know it's like of somebody who is not blind because they got ivermectin it is a it is a really good drug and this idea that it's horse paced or it's only given to animals is a lie it is a lie and it was a confusing lie but i loved the fact that it was coming my way i really did i enjoyed it because out of all the people that it could come
towards where it would be uh i would say why are they doing that to him and this is not true and have it be frustrating to see it come at me was fascinating because first of all i was already healthy by the time they were talking [ __ ] i was already out of the woods and i was negative the day afterwards like i was i was i was good in three days i was negative in five days and the fact that they concentrated on this lie that i was taking veterinary medicine instead of i mean it literally has a [ __ ] box that says for human consumption i mean like it's a prescribed medicine but the fact they were lying about it and not just lying about but using the same lie on msnbc on all these different hollywood reporter on you know it was like it was obvious that this press release had been sanctioned or that this narrative had been promoted um but it that the fact that they didn't concentrate at all in the fact like oh here's this guy who just got better really quick well there's something called the trusted news initiative which is a consortium of companies and this is sort of semi-public it's not totally hidden you can find a couple news stories about it but they're certainly not going another way to talk about it it includes like reuters and the bbc and i believe the associated press and with the washington post i gotta i gotta go check but it also includes facebook and this and this is basically we're gonna we're gonna all get on the same page when we talk to you about covid so when masks didn't work remember the beginning mask didn't work we're going to all tell you not to buy masks and then when they you know when all of a sudden we decide they do work you should all wear masks it's and and the propaganda i mean it's the only word for this is propaganda has gotten worse and worse and worse month by month and it has gotten you know with ivermectin and the vaccines it has reached new heights what is the source of all this like where what's the epicenter of [ __ ] oh that's so you know is it is it uh is it johns hopkins is it uh is it sort of the gates foundation well it's specifically in my case like when
they're saying horse dewormer like why who who's doing that so so there you know there are pollsters out there who are looking at focus groups and they're looking at the remember it's your turn remember get the vaccine when it's your turn that was focus group tested okay so when they're talking about horse dewormer there's somebody out there who's spending a couple million bucks a month or whatever it is to make sure that you know if this is not for humans it's for animals they're testing all that language and that is one reason why uh it you know it sounds so similar it's one of the reasons why i stopped using google to search things too they're doing they're doing something to curate information where like if i wanted to find specific cases about people who died from vaccine related injuries i had to go to duckduckgo i wasn't i wasn't finding them on google yes yes and i'm like okay well this is crazy like you you guys are hiding information i'm looking for very specific people in very specific cases and i'm getting cdc websites and i'm getting you know uh articles on the the disinformation attached to vaccines and vaccines being safe and effective which for the most part they are just like peanuts are safe and effective for the most part well well i mean again we can listen i've been vaccinated against everything you know as a child i'm not coven okay i'm not vaccinating against but i'm talking about am i an anti-vaxxer no do you know the newest webster definition of anti-vaxx includes someone who's against vaccine mandates or someone who's against vaccinating children seriously yes i did not know yeah we'll pull this up because this is new they've they've updated the term anti-vaxxer to not just mean someone who believes in [ __ ] apple cider vinegar cures cancer like these wacky [ __ ] but someone who thinks that vaccine mandates are a dangerous slippery slope to fascism now you're an anti-vaxxer like you have to fully buy into the narrative or you get labeled this very pejorative look at this definition of a person opposes use of vaccine or regulations mandating a vaccination that's incredible to me it is incredible it's dirty man it's dirt but by the way jamie if you haven't been able to find
that i can uh i could try to uh to watch it's a bit tricky to find look at this right here though especially a parent who opposes having his or her child vaccinated do you know that i mean there's there's actually statistics now that show that for boys it is more dangerous to be vaccinated than it is to get coveted oh yeah for for for adolescent boys absolutely you have the the rates of myocarditis i don't think anybody's disputing now they're in the then this is hospitalizations yeah and this isn't even unreported and under-reported that's right so one in five thousand is is okay so that doesn't necessarily sound like that much but if you're a healthy adolescent your odds of dying from covid are in the one in a million range and i will stand by that number you can you can i i so about four very low they're very very i think all told children deaths from kovid haven't cracked 500. that is correct but what you what you don't realize when you when you quote that number is first of all the cdc says about 45 of those cases were completely incidental in other words somebody somebody with cancer or somebody who was in a car accident who tested positive for kids okay so cut it by 45 percent of the cases that are left and there is good data on this those kids for the most part are profoundly ill i mean i mean they they're like they have severe genetic defects they have uh cancer that's late stage there to try to find cases of healthy children who have died from covid is next to impossible did you see but meanwhile the flu is dangerous for children right but did you see fauci publicly declare that covet is more dangerous for children than the flu yes but need the flu isn't that dangerous for kids either but but it's dangerous enough like i i have a a friend who's it's kind of like three people removed but one of his friends children died from the flu it can happen there's also something called rsv which is extremely dangerous for little kids yes and and that has come roaring back this year and nobody can quite explain why but it may be because uh you know we we kept all our kids at home we didn't let them
trade it around last year and all of a sudden it's back and yeah their immune systems get compromised because of inactivity yes i mean we're meant to be outside trading germs with each other yeah yeah there's there's a thing that happens with kids we were talking about at lunch today where when we were children if someone got chicken pox you would go over their house so you could get chicken pox you know that's gone now yeah i mean that was literally how my parents dealt with it i got chicken pox because one of my relatives got chicken pox my cousin i think it was and we went over his house and we all got chicken pox and you're immune to it for the rest of your life exactly yeah same thing with me um so so by the way you're you're talking about uh the webster thing in the dictionary remind me the cdc has changed its definition of vaccine believe it or not to include gene therapies no what they're now saying is that vaccines uh don't need to confer immunity if they have a protective effect it's considered a vaccine so by that definition actually vitamin c might be considered a vaccine was the flu shot thought i mean we always called it the shot but did you was it ever referred to as the flu vaccine because people get the flu shot every year it was considered a vaccine even though it's not very effective it's um you know it's funny what's happened is if you think about what vaccines were you know like the measles vaccine or the smallpox vaccine they were effectively 100 effective for your whole life now of course some people many years later might might have a breakthrough infection but it was called a breakthrough because it was so rare and and so you know you know you get the mmr vaccine as a as a little kid and you never get measles somehow i don't understand this like weird mind-meld that pfizer and moderna and biontech have performed on the government and on the media where they have convinced people that these things which by no classical definition are vaccines they don't work
like vaccines they don't have the duration of protection of vaccines and and and you can still get very sick and die post-vaccination which is just in case someone's listening it does doesn't know how a regular vaccine works a regular vaccine if it's for small parks has an inert version of smallpox in it so you can't catch it but your body recognizes it your body develops the immunity to smallpox and then it fights it off that's basically yeah yeah right and these mrna vaccines which but by the way the the technology is amazing and fascinating and it seems to have like profound possibilities in terms of like the ability to fight cancer like they have a lot of like really interesting research on the horizon so this is not demonizing the concept of mrna vaccines but what they essentially do is they they tell your body to produce a certain spike protein and this develops this ability to fight off the covid variants and so so if you think of coronavirus it you know it's called coronavirus because it has this corona of spikes it's got it looks like a ball and it's got these nasty little spikes poking out is there a real photo of one of those things um it's not it's all sort of computer generated it's too small to uh to take a proper so how do they know it's got the spikes because they know what the shape is because they have the um they have the complete genetic code um and then and they know what uh antibiotic i'm sorry what um what amino acids it produces and they know what those look like so i mean biology is magic these days i mean it's truly matter because they're at such small levels of that they can predict how this thing's going to fold on itself okay and they can actually predict what the mutations will cause the con the structural confirmation of this thing which is you know so small you can't imagine how small it is they can imagine how it's going to look and and when i say imagine it's really predict okay and then they can predict how it's going to attach to your cells so long story short on that they know what the spike protein looks like and they know how to make your body make it so so when you get the vaccine
as you say you're not getting a whole inactivated coronavirus that's um the chinese vaccines are use that technology that's do that yes and is that more effective no it's less effective for really yes um and for whatever reason with respiratory viruses the whole inactivated virus thing or the it's sometimes called attenuated virus doesn't work very well for we don't quite know why but i thought that um they thought that this was a respiratory virus but really it's attacking the epithelial it's both both so you have you have the receptors that this virus attacks all over your body in both your lungs if there's a ton in your lungs but there's also a ton in the smooth muscle cells of your of your um vasculature so so it is a it is a it does have vascular complications this virus so so so you so you get this vaccine it's a little bundle of rna in the case of the pfizer and the modern vaccines which is which is stuck inside what's called a lipid nanoparticle again incredible technology that that bundle of rna gets into your cells actually just like the virus would um and it tells your cells make the spike protein so you then have a ton of spike protein in in these cells now one of the promises about the vaccine that has turned out not to be true is you're only going to have those spike proteins in a basically near the injection site and turns out unfortunately some of them some vaccine appears to leak and travel is it be like when you're shooting something into someone's arm right and you're just uh injecting uh intramuscularly into the uh deltoid is it possible to hit a vein uh yes so that's been one of the questions is whether or not some of the people who could get myocarditis get it because they were improperly injected is there a spot where you should and shouldn't hit that i don't know see that that's the kind of technical question that i don't know um but uh but but it is but and by the way that hasn't been proven it's just a theory that that people are getting it injected into their bloodstream directly and that is leading uh to myocarditis it's not clear that's true but it's a possibility but so your body then makes all these spikes and your immune system recognizes them
that as an invader and it makes antibodies so that's what the vaccine does and guess what it works okay the mrna vaccines cause you to make a lot of antibodies more antibodies than natural infection produces that's why early on people said uh you know including like including virologists who are not tony fauci said this looks really good this looks better than natural immunity to us they said it's like 94 effective or something like that initially once it kicks in yes so we can talk about that yeah but but but here's the problem it turns out that messing with nature there's always a price so you get this really high spike of maybe i should use a different word a surge of antibodies that's much higher than the natural level that you'd get but it declines really fast so so israel there's a really good paper that came out of israel i think about two months ago on this where natural immunity uh natural antibodies fall about five or ten percent a month vaccine-generated immunities fall forty percent a month so if you're 40 a month so it doesn't take that long so if you're a hundred percent on month one on month two you're 60. well no no no this is not the protective effect of the vaccine this is the this is the antibody count that your body is generating against these spike proteins okay okay and then there's another technical issue which is that for some reason that i think they don't even really have even a good theory about the vaccine-generated antibodies are much more narrowly focused on one part of the spike protein than natural antibodies plus if you for somebody like you you got sick you recovered you have antibodies to other parts of sars cove too there's something called the nucleocapsid you have antibodies to that plus for again for reasons that we don't fully understand it looks like your your b cells which are part of your immune system which are which help which in the long run will generate antibodies again if you're if you face this again if you're reinfected if you're re-exposed those memory cells
work better post natural immunity natural infection and recovery than than vaccine infections i'm not ex i'm not suggesting that anybody do this i want to be really clear but i would think that a strategy if one wanted to be fairly safe would be get vaccinated wait a month or two and then go to a music festival and make out with everybody like try to try to try to catch covid right like if you have some protection then get the natural infection on top of it um not clear okay i'm not a doctor no no you're not am i a scientist nor are you a scientist nor do i give good advice nor do you wait this is not good advice that's not good advice i'm not gonna i'm not gonna no here's what i say because i don't want to tell go people to go tell get to tell them i like how we're doing these little disclaimers it helps spotify is going to enjoy these disclaimers protection after natural infection and recovery is superior to vaccine protection according to that study from israel 2.5 million people 6 to 13 percent 60 to 13 times x 6 to 13 times x better that's correct and that was with the delta variant okay so here's the here of of the many many there are many many problems around vaccine immunity because your immunity is so tailored to the spiked protein and not just the spike protein to one part of it to the receptor binding domain it's called of the spike protein if the virus mutates just a little bit in that part those vaccine antibodies you have don't work very well anymore and you don't have the backup stuff that you get as you know you personally and everybody else who's been infected and recovered gets yeah i was reading something about that today i actually made a note about it because i knew it was going to come up on the podcast today because i found i found this uh discussion of it to be pretty interesting but this one guy had this take on it where he said that um that natural immunity is demonstratively more demonstrably more generalized and robust to variant mutations and the vaccines are designed to be specifically targeted and that's what allowed them to
get created so quickly is that yes that's absolutely correct well i mean think about think about it you're the virus okay i mean the virus doesn't think okay but it wants to survive if if you know different human beings are going to have somewhat different responses to natural infection the vaccine response is always the same okay because the vaccine is always the same so the vaccine response is we're going to generate a ton of antibodies for this one particular part of the spike protein well the virus quote unquote knows that if it can just mutate that bit of itself it will escape vaccination it will escape vaccine immunity i should say and that's what the virus appears to be doing and there's a paper out of japan from august where these researchers demonstrate and these are all first-rate okay these are first-rate academic institutions that are doing this they demonstrated that four relatively small vacs uh four relatively small mutations on sars cove two could lead to escape for the vaccine from vaccine-generated immunity escape means meaning that the vaccine generated immunity would be non-existent or or close to non-existent that's not the worst case scenario by the way the worst case scenario is that the virus mutates in a way that the vaccine actually it's called this is why it's called antibody dependent enhancement the antibodies continue to be able to attach to part of the uh of the virus but the virus has mutated in a way that the the after attaching they actually help it bind to cells okay now someone sent me something today from a very fishy looking geocities type website that was claiming that there was some department of defense artificial intelligence yes this is going around yeah i thought it was bs but i think it's actually totally true we can pull it up it's it's correct really yes it does by the way it's called humetrix um i've read it i still want you to find this other thing
though by the way the the the jamie's doubling over time yeah one handed let's do that first before i go into metrics yeah because i don't want a left turn i don't want people to you know i especially since i said seventy percent i know that's such a stunning number i don't want people to think i made that up yes let's go over that first so this is seventy percent of all vaccinated people of the deaths in england this is the [ __ ] that comes up oh it says this is from wall street journal it says study in england shows very few deaths among vaccinated people okay survey fines at 640 coronavirus deaths in the first half of 2021 among people who received two shots and more than 50 000 among those who had right so that's correct too both things can be true the reason is that uh most of those deaths occurred in january and february and march and as we know this is another thing that i was criticized immensely for on twitter and has turned out to be totally correct uh in the first week or two after you get the first dose you're actually at higher risk of being infected with and dying from covet it looks like because your immune system has to kick in yes there's a temporary looks like there's a temporary suppression of your immune system we've seen this all over the world there is a spike in covet cases following that first dose here's here's how here's how it works okay you get you get this spike after the first dose which we're not allowed to talk about and which was specifically excluded from that 95 percent figure that the companies uh came up with specifically excluded meanwhile meaning because they edited it out uh they didn't count those cases they counted cases at what point i mean they counted them but they didn't report them as part of the um vaccine efficacy so so here's the theory if a vaccine lasts 10 years okay yes maybe there's a little spike in cases after that first dose but who cares you get 10 years of protection at 95 percent a few cases at the beginning does not matter so the va so the companies when they counted cases they said we're going to count cases in people who are fully vaccinated that's 90 that's that's in
the case of a pfizer i believe was one week after the second dose in the case of moderna two weeks after the second dose so all the cases in the first five weeks whether you were vaccinated or not were not included in the in the uh description in the in the calculation of vaccine protectiveness now is there any documentation as to why they made that distinction yeah again because they said you know what it's not fair it's not fair to count those cases because let's say again let's say the vaccine lasts forever or 10 years we don't really care about what's happening the first week or two in but wouldn't it be important data well they i'm not saying they didn't it's not that they didn't count them at all they just didn't you can find it in the trial data they just didn't report it when they said when they said 95 efficacy 95 protectiveness they weren't counting a whole lot of cases in people who'd just been vaccinated they just and they and they told the world that i mean it's just that nobody nobody bothered to think about what that meant okay and the reason it means so much is because vaccine protection doesn't last 10 years it doesn't even last 10 months okay so if you're thinking about a traditional drug like an antidepressant or a cholesterol drug a drug that you know people might take for a few months so you get depressed your your doctor prescribes you an antidepressant you take it for a few months okay if if if i the company that made the antidepressant said to the fda well sure there were a couple suicides and a couple cases of really severe depression after the first week but we can't count those we gotta wait for this thing to kick in the fda would say are you crazy like you count from the day the first person gets the first dose of your drug okay and we'll and if we want to see if this thing works we got to count every case for six months okay that's totally reasonable right because it doesn't not count if you killed yourself three days after taking your starting your antidepressants right but the the word vaccine has this magic
for people so the companies said we don't want to count any of those early cases and the fda said okay and all my competitors i suppose at the new york times and everywhere else either didn't understand that this was happening or didn't understand what it meant and they all bought that 95 figure so okay so so you get negative efficacy it looks like early on zero to negative efficacy then you get a few weeks of 50 efficacy then you get to what i call the happy vaccine valley okay which is which is uh where part of europe is right now which is where israel was back in march and april and may where everybody's walking around with tons of antibodies yes they're declining but they had so many that they have tons of antibodies and it looks really good okay israel has 10 million people there were days in uh in june in in late may and june when they had 10 covet cases 15 covet cases and they had basically nobody in the hospital okay and that's when everyone was like these things are a miracle we're going to end covet and i can find you tony fauci is basically saying i believe we can eliminate covid he said that in may okay it is really it was peak overconfidence okay and then what happens is the vac the antibodies just go away and or the virus mutates away from the antibodies and guess what you don't have zero covet anymore you in fact in israel in late august before they you know they got desperate with the boosters they were having more cases than they had had back in january when they just started maximum have the boosters been effective in israel yes in the short run they're gonna be effective in the short run because they kick your antibodies back up but you the question is whether or not a how long that lasts be what the side effects are and see do you want to keep doing that forever to people for people that have had no side effects though from the initial vaccines even then it's not clear okay because have you talked to anybody that's gotten boosters yeah yeah would it would have been i mean so you know i've talked to a
couple people who've gotten them most most people it's the same side effects as the second dose uh one guy talked to had more side effects my mom actually got a booster and had fewer side effects but mrna vaccines okay and and you're right it's an amazing technology they weren't initially designed as a vaccines the technology was designed to treat cancer and other things where there's repeated dosing and guess what they had to drop that idea because the toxicity of the delivery mechanism appeared to increase with repeated dosing so it is absolutely unclear what it will mean to give people a third dose a fourth dose a fifth dose a six does remember if if fauci is saying as he said five to eight months after your second dose you need a booster well i would hope that we're all planning to live more than five to eight months after that second dose so it's gonna be are we gonna need a fourth shot are we gonna need a fifth shot and this what's interesting is that this talk about boosters was never considered initially there was the talk of the first shot and the second shot the companies were very careful in what they said they were much more careful than ever a lot of people including bill maher he talked about it on the show he's like i got vaccinated to take one for the team that's right and then you know now they're saying booster he's like i'm not doing it no that's right i mean i think there are people who feel fool me once shame on you right but but you know in israel they've now said you're not considered vaccinated unless you've had three shots that's right what's what's weird to me and i guess this is just human nature is how people become so tribal about it and how the vaccinated people are doubling down there's some of them that identify with being vaccinated to the point where it's almost like a religious distinction or you know a political distinction so so there's there's some really there's some really ugly stuff going on and some of it's actually subtle and some of it's not subtle one of the subtle things that i think has happened is that this is the first time in history at least that i can think of that the sort of most educated wealthiest people have put their hands up and said i want to be the
guinea pig yeah so like those people were desperate to get vaccinated most of them and you know people like me you know look i went to yale i worked for the new york times they hate me because they consider me a traitor to the class right and so and so i think unfortunately i think some of what's happened and you can see it and sometimes explicitly um is there's a lot of talking down to people who haven't been vaccinated you're just dumb you're just a mouth breather you just yeah it's you know you just want the horse paced and what and now that those people who got themselves vaccinated who desperately rushed out in some cases lied about their eligibility back in january and february are realizing that you know the stupid people maybe made the right choice it's very hard for them to admit that i don't think they think they made the right choice i think here's one of the things i think is going on i think some people were a little nervous to get vaccinated but they did it they bit the bullet and then they want other people to do it too they want you to do it because they did it and they think they did it like bill maher said he did it for the right reasons he took one for the team they think they did it for the right reasons because it was what you're supposed to do and they should be rewarded and this is one of the things that sort of ramps up this acceptance of vaccine mandates and vaccine passports which really disturbs me it's it becomes i did it you should do it we should make those people do it we should force those people to do it regardless of whether or not there is an effective treatment outside of the vaccine regardless of whether or not it makes sense because these people have had a private previous infection to covet and that infection imparted superior protection they don't care they want you to do it because they did it yes yes i agree with that um i mean back in the spring and you know i saw you know i wrote this book and this this is one of two copies in the world physical copies this one's yours the other one's tuckers yes um i don't know if that's good uh no you guys like you guys are like completely
different but you're like the same in in the most important way which is like you don't buy into [ __ ] well we'll also talk to anybody tucker has a lot of left-wing people on and he doesn't disparage them or criticize them or mock them you know he had brett weinstein on who's very progressive he has tulsi gabbard on he has people on i mean he i think he's unfairly labeled because people want to marginalize him and dismiss him immediately and call him a white separatist or a white supremacist or whatever word that makes you a part of a list of people that you can never associate with they like to initially do that about him but i think his discussions that he has on his show are some of the most nuanced in that he is willing to have conversations with anybody from all these different whatever people that have been you know in issues with college censorship where you know so-called progressive college students have censored professors from discussing certain topics or you know he'll talk about all kinds of things and i think that that's very important in this time that you have people like him yes as much as he gets criticized and as much as i get criticized there's there's a very important thing that is happening when people are discussing uncomfortable issues and it's we have to figure out what's right and what's wrong and you don't get that by just buying into the official narrative right that i mean that's you guys are both suspicious of the official narrative and it's funny you know tucker cross and he's you know like could there be a sort of like whiter guy than tucker but at heart he's a populist i truly believe that and you know i don't necessarily agree with him about everything you know but but at heart he's a populist and at heart you're a populist and you know i think i've become i maybe i don't know if populist is the right word or the wrong word but i am so struck by the left's willingness to buy into the to the narrative that especially that the pharma industry is selling right yeah and it's i don't understand it and i think you know like
you like you don't buy into that often and that's a good thing well i you know you brought up vioxx earlier and uh with merck and one of the reasons why i became initially suspicious of i mean a lot of there's a lot of reasons to become suspicious of the the motives behind pharmaceutical companies because there's an enormous profit incentive they make tremendous amounts of money from these things and if they can fudge the numbers or move things around i mean pfizer paid out i think it was the biggest ever settlement by any company it was more than two billion dollars yes yep a stunning amount of money yeah for fraud right uh yes and so what did they pay what was it it was 2.3 billion it was for over marketing a a whole series of drugs um uh including um uh neurontin um which is a which is a drug for uh for fibromyalgia and for um and for pain generally here it is um yes uh largest healthcare fraud settlement in its history 2.3 for fraudulent marketing yeah so so neurontin is lyrica uh dextra is the beckster is the was their coxib drug which uh so so both pfizer and merck actually even though i even though i generally think merck is is one of the better of these companies they made drugs that essentially were aspirin except that they had a little side effect which is they caused heart attacks in people um are you talking about violence i'm talking about violence yeah i have so i have a friend who uh had pretty bad arthritis in his knees and so he took vioxx and had a [ __ ] stroke and he was like 30 years old yeah and uh you know he's a fighter and so his knees were just damaged from years of martial arts training and um did he recover yes pretty much yeah he still has some i think he still has so i'd have to talk to him about that i don't want to i'm not sure but i knew it was i know it was a long process he did a lot of things very unconventional things he got um stem cell uh therapy and a bunch of different things to try to hit it wasn't a small deal no no no no it's a very big deal
but he was talking to people and just started like trailing off in his words and and and everybody was like hey man are you okay like something was going and then it was like a slow subtle realization that he was having a stroke yep when you get when you get a blood clot in your brain bad things happen yeah so so and merck and we you know you could pull it up or not but merck uh merck made vioxx and vioxx the fda estimated killed 55 000 people 55 000 people that's not a small number okay and that's just been forgotten and it was an essentially like a it was a type of anti-inflammatory yes it was so the idea was that you know if you and i i often take a lot of ibuprofen it can be very hard on your stomach you take these drugs for too long why are you taking that [ __ ] a bad back yeah yeah i go with you in the book a little bit actually okay i uh i i treat my back badly i don't stretch and so of course i wind up throwing it out from time to time i'm an idiot about it we can talk about that outside of the podcast i can help you i i need something yeah i can help you but but so so you take these drugs for too long it tears up your stomach in your stomach right so vioxx was supposed to and and and backstroke celecoxib and ropha cox these two drugs were supposed to spare the lining of your stomach which they do there's just one little problem which is this is it's like it's like in the united states and and this is about all drugs we have this idea like you take the pill and the problem goes away right and that's what we want that's what we want that's the commercial show that's right and lady dancing in the wheat field butterflies that's right beautiful music that's right everything's cheery that's right i want to be like her that's right and unfortunately that's not human biology okay these are complicated products and almost always you have downstream side effects that you don't realize the only drugs where that actually seems not to be the case broadly are statins and i don't take a statin but i would take one if i needed to without thinking about it and even then people complain about statins i've heard negative side effects yeah doctors warned me about stuff people say they
can cause muscle aches and other stuff but but for the most part and those drugs have been tested in you know tens of thousands of people and they actually appear to reduce deaths from heart attacks and strokes if you do the test right you get real answers okay vioxx unfortunately caused people to have heart attacks and merck unfortunately knew about it okay they knew they knew years before they stopped selling it they knew before they released it yes they knew even before they released it i know this i covered there was a the very first vioxx trial was in texas and this was in 2005. and i was down here uh for the new york times covering that trial okay and i paid really close attention they knew what was going on now they came up with this cockamamie story that vioxx didn't actually cause heart attacks that naproxen which is a leave actually protected people from heart attacks and they convinced the fda that that was the truth and the fda allowed them to sell vioxx and then merck in 2001 spent 160 million dollars advertising vioxx to consumers more money than budweiser spent advertising budweiser that year for a product that you can't go into a store and buy for a product that you need a doctor's prescription to get okay wow and they got tens of millions of people to take that drug and they killed by the fda's estimate 55 000 people and merck is supposedly the best of these guys and not one person ever went to jail for that and merc paid out a few billion dollars to plaintiff's lawyers and to the families of people who'd been hurt and that was the end of it and everyone's forgotten all about it and i'm not even talking about the opioid crisis and purdue pharma and you know one of the companies that makes uh that has gotten in trouble for opioids johnson johnson maker of the third major vaccine in the united states the third major cova vaccine so do not tell me that these companies are our friends they are in it for the money if they can produce a product that helps people they will do it but if that product turns out to have side effects
or problems you cannot expect them to tell the truth because they don't and i and i and i'm i am totally okay saying that about specific companies because i covered these cases what you said wouldn't be remotely controversial 24 months ago right not even remotely what you said everybody everyone college professors uh ceos garbage men everyone would agree with you across the board now all of a sudden the because it's an inconvenient truth in the fact that we need these pharmaceutical companies to deliver these vaccines which people have decided like did you see that lady in new york you're a new governor do you see that [ __ ] congratulating me you're saying that it's the vaccines are from god and she needs us to all be apostles yes folks find that video because jamie please it is so [ __ ] patently insane like we got rid of a molester and we replaced it with a crazy person like a person who is like i don't you see she's got a necklace that says vexed yes which is fine that doesn't bother me these statements i mean if you want to have i mean you want to get a fiser tattoo i don't give a [ __ ] but i've seen that too there's a lot of pfizer tattoos you know now they're because pfizer was supposedly the good one now they're all sad because moderna actually turns out to it seems like it has a little bit longer protective effect well it's more of an impact but also more side effects yes right well it's 100 micrograms against 30 per dose so it seems to last stronger i believe listen this lady listen to this because this is so crazy and by the way she didn't even win the election okay you got lucky that it turns out the other guy was a creep to get this community back and what we went through this pandemic made us stronger i believe that especially as i talked to young people who weren't able to have their graduations from high school or a normal life for the last 18 months i say to them whatever comes your way in life you are stronger you are more resilient god let you survive this pandemic because he wants you to do great things someday he
lets you live through this when so many other people did not i like how she gendered god so your responsibility god's gotta do how do we keep more people alive we are not through this pandemic i wished we were but i prayed a lot to god during this time and you know what god did answer our prayers he made the smartest men and women the scientists the doctors the researchers he made then come up with a vaccine that is from god to us and we must say thank you god thank you and i wear my vaccinated necklace all the time and say i'm vaccinated all of you yes i know you're vaccinated you're the smart ones but you know there's people out there who aren't listening to god and what god wants you know this you know who they are i need you to be my apostles i need you to go out and talk about it and say we owe this to each other we love each other jesus taught us to love one another and how do you show that love pfizer but to care about each other enough to say please get vaccinated because i love you okay okay okay i just you got something else well well if you google variants of concern uk technical briefing here it is okay uh oh they got 24 out now that that ones have just come out uh uh so go to 24. and this will be this will be exciting for me too because i haven't seen that trying to figure out where in here i was supposed to look okay go down down down down and keep going keep going keep going keep going keep going keep going keep going keep uh keep going keep going keep going okay uh uh okay so this tells you uh as of so as of the 27th of september there were uh there were 3 200 deaths from the delta variant okay so that's going to be the delta variant is almost all the cases these days not just in the uk but everywhere in the world so go go down some more some more some more some more i keep going keep going keep going secondary attack rates uh keep
going uh keep going monitor and this is this is variant stuff uh keep going don't tell me they took it out i don't think they took it out uh keep going keep going keep going well that's interesting uh we may need to go back to the previous one because it's not in here uh 20 what do you mean what's on it go to 23. yeah go to 23. right below that uh yeah unless it's in the underlying data that's so i mean what are we looking for here what we're looking for is figures that will uh you know what let me let me i don't want to i don't have to subject the audience to this um let me find it so while you're i guess i've was digging through that and i found this interpretation of data it just this said that there's a lot of people in that age range that would be vaccinated yes i found there's a lot of people in one chart that said there was like 200 000 people that got it that were unvaccinated under the age of like 25 yes go down go down one more page uh okay okay all right so this is uh week 34 through week 37 that's going to be basically september uh so this tells you um the rates oh yes this is great rates of illness among people who have and have not been vaccinated uh over on the right so what you can see is that in people over 50 rates of illness are higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated 900 to 600 in people 50 to 60 600 to 400 and people 60 to 70 500 roughly to 360. in each of those cases the number in the second to last graph the second last column is higher so what that's telling you is that people who are vaccinated with two doses are more likely to be infected with sars cove too than people who are not infected who are not vaccinated it's interesting how it changes somewhere around uh 40 to 49. that's right and and and there's a good there's a good scientific reason for that which is basically there's something called immunosenecescence which basically means that your immune
system as you get older has a harder time dealing with disease right we all i mean that's that's sort of like intuitively obvious it also has a harder time mounting the response that the vaccines are supposed to help with so so okay so that's one that's one chart and again this is uk government data and what it says is that the idea that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated is a total lie you are more likely to become sick if you are vaccinated than if you are not and you're over older categories in these older categories so anything above 50. actually above four shifts if you see because 40 is actually the highest number of all there's one eleven hundred and fifty so it's about one in one hundred people in those four weeks in 40 to 50 year olds right so before that before 40 it seems to shift in favor of the vaccinated yes so would you make the argument that if you're younger you should be vaccinated no because because in that case your risk of underlying disease you're very likely to recover very quickly from covet if you're if you're younger yes right so let's go to the next page um okay this is emergency care go to uh next page okay so these are deaths okay so now this is this is on a per 100 000 basis so what you will see is that vaccines uh oh no look at the look at the the third from the from the left third from the left second dose more than 14 days above specimen day before specimen date these are people who have died fully vaccinated people who have died there were twelve hundred and seventy fully vaccinated people who died out of fifteen hundred in the over 80 calories but this is under 14 days before no no no over over second dose greater than 14 days means i am fully vaccinated by anybody's definition okay not vaccinated it says when it says second dose before 14 day or more than 14 days what it should say is fully vaccinated that's what that means why does it differentiate between that uh after 14 days and then the next one is rates among persons vaccinating
two doses okay so so i i promise you i will answer that question okay but what i want everyone to see is that the vast majority of people in britain who died in september were fully vaccinated 1270 out of 1500 were fully vaccinated 607 of the 70 year olds out of 800 were fully vaccinated 258 out of the 411 60 euros they were almost all fully vaccinated most people who die of this now are fully vaccinated in the uk those are the numbers and the rates among persons not vaccinated and vaccinated with two doses what per 100 000 what do they mean by that so what they're saying what they're showing you there is that even though the vast majority of people who who died were vaccinated the vaccines still appears to have some protective effect because rates among because so here think of it this way joe 80 of people who died over 80 were vaccinated but 95 percent of people in that age range were vaccinated so that implies that the vaccine still offers you some protection because if it offered you zero protection then it would be 95 of the people who died over age 80 were vaccinated does that make sense sort of it's it's complicated suppose we have a room 100 people okay or a thousand people 950 of those people are vaccinated and 50 are not if if the vet if a hundred people died in the 900 out of the 950 but 20 people died out of the 50 that would still imply that the vaccine was doing some good got it because even though it's and those are that's actually a pretty good uh analogy to what you're seeing there because because you're getting 100 out of 950 compared to 20 out of 50. so when you say that most of the people are dying are vaccinated is that because the levels or the rates of vaccination is very high uh yes but there's another complexity here and this is the part that the vaccine advocates
never admit when you get to a place like a place like britain or israel where almost everybody in that age range is vaccinated over 70 over 80. who's not being vaccinated do you think there's a lot of people in the old age home who are saying you know what i'm insisting on my personal rights you can't vaccinate me some 88 year old no the only people who aren't being vaccinated in the age group are probably too sick or too close to the end of their lives isn't that speculative though it could be rebels there could be people that are like into you know holistic medicine or whatever well there's some evidence we have evidence that people who are vaccinated are more fearful than people who are not vaccinated you should tell that to keith olbermann [Laughter] did you see his rant no you didn't see him no i did not see it it's one of the most unhinged it's it's sad that this guy was like a respected pundit have you seen it jamie no we need to see it he publicly gets vaccinated and then yells at all the people that are not vaccinated we need to play it but it's so unhinged you know joe you caught me though i want to say you comment on this because you're right it is speculative that is my speculation that there is that that there is this difference in these two groups yeah because i just i know there's a lot of people that are just untrusting of the government or they're really into you know air quotes holistic medicine but we're not talking about 15 50 or 40 or 30 year olds we're talking about people in this group of people who are at high risk and who basically i mean i don't want to say you know we'll hopefully we'll all be 90 one day but you know i'm not sure how much like agency those folks have when somebody shows up at the old age home and says we're going to vaccinate everybody now maybe so i know what you're saying do you see what i'm saying yeah so so what i'm saying though is that tiny group of people who are not vaccinated in that age range
i suspect and you're right it's speculation are materially sicker than the people who are vaccinated oh here's the evidence let me give you this evidence for this the evidence is in the flu vaccine okay when you look at flu vaccines you say and there's been a lot of work done on this i'm talking about in older people people who get the flu vaccine are less likely to die than people who don't get the flu vaccine looks really good for the flu vaccine here's the problem you go back and look at the six months before people got the flu vaccine people who get the flu vaccine are less likely to die in those six months too much less likely why because if you're together enough if you're 80 years old and together enough to want the flu vaccine you have a certain baseline level of health you are and you probably care more about your health okay so the flu vaccine on a population level basis appears to do nothing to reduce flu deaths in people over 65 but it also appears to reduce deaths in people over 65. and the explanation is it's not actually reducing deaths it's telling you who's healthier and who's less likely to die does that make sense it does so that it is very very likely at least in my mind that something similar has happened i see i hesitate to agree with you i see what you're saying but i hesitate to agree with you because i do believe there's a certain amount of speculation involved yes yeah you got the keith olbermann thing yes watch this you need to see this and then you got to remember also snowflakes who are afraid of getting the vaccine you got to watch this because it's going to get the shot he's going to get the shot he gets it he's going to shot mission accomplished and it is it is time to stop coddling them the ones who won't get the damn shot already and our first step you and i is symbols the language we use we call these people vaccine hesitant vaccine skeptics anti-vaxx we say they're protesting mandates and passports they're making a personal choice they're waiting for more
information they're making a medical decision [ __ ] they're afraid they're afraid to get vaccinated stop feeding their egos about what they're doing stop legitimizing it vaccine hesitant they're afraid vaccine skeptics they're afraid anti-vaxxed they're afraid is that a little bit oh my gosh they're afraid they're making a personal choice they're afraid they're waiting for more information afraid they're making a medical decision to be afraid the snowflakes are afraid afraid of the vaccine afraid of being proved wrong afraid of doing what anybody else in the world tells them to do afraid of needles so no more pleasant euphemisms about what's going on here apart from the people who have legitimate medical complications about vaccines we have to stop coddling the morons who will not get the shot we start by calling them what they are they are all snowflakes and cowards and idiots and losers and most importantly they are afraid imagine oh my god he's so insane imagine making that and thinking this is a good thing to release when you're in a penthouse apartment it looks like he's on the 80th floor oh in the central expensive real estate on planet earth overlooking central park in this beautiful view that he has and then making this and thinking you're what are what are you thinking you're billy badass you're i i don't i don't listen this is so stupid joe like we haven't even gotten to the fundamental stupidity of this if the vaccine works then great you're vaccinated congratulations you don't have to worry about me i made a bad decision maybe i'll get sick and die like okay it's not your problem and don't give me this nonsense that that like somehow there are so many unvaccinated people that
it's going to destroy hospital systems okay even in the united states 80 percent of the people who are at real risk of getting sick and dying from cover people over 65 are fully vaccinated all right the reason that we have a problem with covid right now is not that people are unvaccinated it is that the vaccines do not work as promised and they don't work for very long that's what the british data told you that's why i wanted everyone to see that i talked to the mayor of austin he said that the most most people in the icu for covid most people hospitalized for covet are unvaccinated yeah i i'm not sure if that's true or not okay i don't really you call him the mayor of austin texas a liar you son of a [ __ ] did he did he give you specific numbers no no no of course they told me we were talking about it okay so most could be 51 that's possible i mean in the countries that have real data that they're releasing on a timely basis you see okay the vaccine and in the in again in israel last month well now it's august they got so terrified they were going to have the worst wave yet of covid that they that they gave people boosters they asked they asked the entire country to get boosters do you know how much data there was around booster shots when they did that there was data published data wasn't even published it was just the company press release data on about three dozen people okay that's it yes people don't understand 36 people yeah really yes at that time okay now there's data on a couple hundred and that's what the fda that's why the fda choked okay that's why the fda wouldn't give pfizer and fauci and biden what they wanted last month because finally explain that to people okay so in august the vaccines go off the rails in israel okay in june and july i say the vaccines are going off the rails and people start to lose their mind right and that's when that's when twitter really starts to come at me and we can talk about that chronology and we can talk about my potential legal causes of action against twitter if we want but yeah
definitely let's not make that about let's not make it about me okay okay okay in june at the beginning of june there are 15 covet cases a day in israel they are done with covet at the end of june there are 300. in mid-july there are 3 000 at the end of july they're they're like there might be might have been it might be the end of july when there are three thousand in any case two hundred fold increase in cases a day in positive tests for covid in between june 1st and august 1st in israel the vaccines just stop working okay they just stop you biologically your body gets rid of these antibodies that it's been forced to generate and sort of like sociologically people start getting sick i mean you know there's what happens at the cellular level and then there's what happens at the body level right at the at the at the like level of counting cases so we know we know antibodies go away and we know people start getting sick again that's a better way to explain it fine okay by by early july i'm looking at this and i'm like you know this does not look good and i don't understand what's going to turn it around i don't understand why we think that the biology of these first few people to start getting infected at post-vaccine is different than the biology of other people who were vaccinated later i think this is going to get worse and i start saying this on twitter vaccines are failing vaccines are failing people did not like hearing it okay by the end of august by the end of july early august it was clear that israel and the uk were headed for a crisis it was more clear in israel because the uk is it's a little bit complicated because they used several different vaccines and they dosed them off schedule israel is just like the u.s they used really only they israel used only the pfizer vaccine where in the u.s we basically used only the pfizer and moderna the mrna vaccines we used a little j j but not very much and israel dosed on the schedule the companies had suggested just as we did okay
it is clear by early august that something bad is happening and the israeli response is we want everyone to get a booster everyone over 80 under 80 sick well it doesn't matter you got the vaccine now you need your booster okay it's time for your bonus vaccine as i was as i'd like to call it the bonus vaccine freebie hey good for pfizer stocks of the companies of pfizer and modern and biotech hit new highs when this happened why because the perfect product from wall street's point of view is a product that fails and needs to be redosed right the speculation early ear in the year was these are going to last forever people aren't going to need many boosters that was actually bad for the company stocks good for the company's stocks is you need a booster right right planned obsolescence you need a booster it's like the iphone except it goes in your body and forces your cells to do something okay fauci biden who knows what biden thinks who knows or or who knows what if anything biden is thinking but fauci understands he's not dumb he knows what's going on he knows that what he thought in april and may is wrong these are not going to last forever you're going to need boosters he goes to biden and in in in late i think was august 20th the dates in the book i think but biden says time for your boosters we're going to give boosters to everybody after eight months there's only one problem these vaccines were approved on a two dose schedule okay you get two doses you're done it's not a therapeutic it's not a drug that your doctor prescribes to you you know what i feel depressed i i'm gonna give you an antidepressant for a month and we'll reconsider in a month uh you know i have high cholesterol try the statin for three months we'll take your blood again at the end of three months we'll see how it goes no that's not what these are supposed to be supposed to be you get it you're done and the vaccine fanatics will say oh well you know the tetanus shot sometimes
people get after a 10-year boost 10 years is very different than eight months and that's you know there's been so much sort of i hate to say misinformation but misinformation about why these vaccines are really so different so biden does this okay he he promises the world or the united states we're all going to get boosters and two of the most senior fda officials who are in charge of vaccine approval resign within two weeks okay they resign and they write a letter with other people to the lancet which is probably the best medical journal in the world saying we don't think boosters are a good idea for the general population and somehow the media well yeah there are a few stories about this can you imagine if donald trump had said something so out of line about vaccines that two of his most senior fda officials resigned within a couple weeks the democrats would be ready to impeach him well then um biden or yeah he went and took a booster on television yeah okay good for him he's 78 years old he maybe it makes sense for him okay should some 30 year old or 40 or 50 or even 60 year old be on a on a treadmill of boosters but this is the question this is why it leads to it's a conundrum because if the vaccines do greatly reduce in their efficacy over six seven eight months and the fda says no boosters so that means you have no protection so here we are eight months after people are being vaccinated they're giving no recommendation to take a booster yeah so it means you basically took a vaccine for nothing that's right that's right and they don't want to admit it that's right so by pulling by the fda pulling their recommendation for booster shots they've essentially said do nothing well now we're in this position where pfizer and merck are both about to
release a therapeutic mercs and murk the date on the merc drug is actually quite good they released it and by the way the stocks of the vaccine companies went down more than 10 percent the day the mark reports came out because wall street said oh there's a therapeutic there's an actual therapeutic so we're not going to be able to jam these boosters into people's arms forever now these therapeutics do they have an emergency use authorization or do they have to go through the full approval well that's going to be an interesting question um probably i think merck has indicated it wants an eua and should get an eua and this uh drug do we have data on potential side effects only the top so the top line data they again this is what got us into trouble last year because the companies released this top line data that looked really good um we have top-line data showing that hospitalizations were less than i believe is less than half in the people who received the drug they decreased them by half that's correct and deaths were eight in people who received the placebo zero in people who received the drug um and the side effect data was higher in people who received the placebo now that's top line but it looks really good um but but let me go back that's great it's great but so so fauci and biden say something based on next to no data and the fda the vaccine again the the the people in the fda whose job it is to approve vaccines say we don't we are so troubled by this work i mean they didn't explicitly say that why they were resigning but we know they resigned within weeks and then wrote a letter saying we don't think vaccines should be approved then the fda holds a committee meeting in mid-september it's one of the last things in the book i managed to get in there where they vote 16 to 2 not to approve boosters for the general population it is an incredible blackout it was 15 to 3. i think it might may order 16 to 3. i think it was it's one of those it wasn't it was a landslide yeah okay i might be
wrong we can we can we look it up or not i might be have been repeating it incorrectly and have it in my head the wrong way find out what the vote was so so the fda says no boosters for the general population what does it say 16 to 10. so the fda says no boosters not no boosters at all right no boosters for the general population so do they say no boosters but we recommend then they say we're going to uh okay these for people 65 and over and quote unquote at high risk okay okay okay which which was which was clearly a sop to the administration so 65 and over plus high risk yes those things are keith olbermann right isn't he is it he certainly looked at hi he might be somebody just might be crazy he might be crazy okay then the cdc has to get involved okay so normally because not normally once the fda approves then it's uh you know it's a it's a drug that you can your doctor can prescribe to you in this case with vaccines there's something called the advisory committee on immunization practices that the cdc runs and those guys meet a few days after men and women should say they made a few days after the uh the fda and they vote nine to six that they actually want a tighter rule than the fda they only want it for older people not for this people at high risk because it why is that okay because the way the what the fda was saying was not just high risk of complications from covet but high risk of getting covet and this was going to be a backdoor way to let teachers who actually aren't at high risk from getting of getting covered but nurses health care you don't think teachers are at high risk of getting code nope there's very strong evidence that they're not but they're constantly around children yeah but children don't spread covet at all i mean i shouldn't say at all they gave it to my mom my my wife rather uh it's much more likely your wife gave it to them no no no no no no no no no no no i 100 no they they were both sick first one of them actually recovered and the second one got sick
and then my wife got it after that it can happen i'm telling you this data isn't it's been clear how is that possible though if kids are sick that they're not credited because they clear it so fast it's not the flu but yeah but my kids had it for a couple days that their weaklings their weekly how dare you most kids it's the it's it's barely a cold they don't even know well one of them it was barely a cold but the other one she was she was sick she didn't feel good for two days so she and she spread it to your wife along the way yeah that is unusual really yes i i can we could i mean we don't want to pull up every scientific paper that's ever been written but but there is chapter and verse on this um so so teachers and there's a paper from finland paper but it just makes sense though that if children are getting it and they're sick even if it's for a day it seems like it could possibly spread to the parents and if the parents are high risk or if the teacher's high risk sure i mean it's possible but there's a lot of obese teachers out there right i don't know yeah that's not what i think of as a teacher i was watching a video of an obese teacher who was complaining about the fact that she has to go back to school because she's worried about her life and her safety you know it's one of those unhinged rants with a mask was her name keith olbermann no anyway she wasn't that unhinged the the cdc committee says 9-6 we don't we want tighter rules 65 and older only and people at high risk of complications not getting it not this back doorway and then what happens rochelle walensky the head of the cdc overrules her own committee's recommendation and so now you can walk into a you know a cvs and say i'm a teacher i'm at high risk or i'm whatever i'm a nurse and i want to boost her and so it's up to your discretion yes it's up to your discretion if you're high risk if you deem yourself to be high risk yeah i don't know if there's specific categories of people but yes i think if you deem yourself to be high risk you can go get yourself a
booster well isn't that that's different though than a in the fda recommendation though like if you allow people to make their own decision sure except that in new york city right now you need to have been vaccinated to go to a restaurant as we as we talked about now that's for now two doses and it means that that's right like what they're doing in israel israel they don't consider you fully vaccinated until you get a third shot that's correct and the data on third shots is very small that's right what we what we know based on the israeli experience and again like this is what you need randomized trials you can't just look at large populations because you don't know sort of internally who's getting that third dose who's getting the second dose how they but what we what it looks like from israel is you do get this short-term bump in antibodies and in the short run that leads to people who've gotten the third dose not being in the hospital as much i was seeing something on the johnson johnson vaccine that the second dose in parts 94 percent effectiveness yeah not even two uh months out yes so that i mean pretty good it's pretty good it's just like the uh you know it's just like pfizer modern right but it's a different thing because it's supposed to be a one shot so if you get that you're you're getting one shot of the j and j and then eight months later you get another one shot at the j and j uh i thought more effective or less effective than the boosters when you're taking a third shot of pfizer so so so you're we're kind of talking about a couple things yeah so j did a big clinical trial where they did two doses uh the initial clinical trial they did was one dose and that got compared to the pfizer moderna two doses and it looked like j j was not as effective at the same time ran another clinical trial that was two doses of its own medicine no no moderna or pfizer okay and that when you do that it looks like it's just as effective as the two dose pfizer moderna the problem is the same problem as we have with the mrna vaccines we don't know how long that efficacy lasts what do you think about
people that are saying we should combine vaccines i think this is all it's all it's all it's all made up okay it's not we are when you get the when you get a vaccine that works as a vaccine is intended to you don't have any of these questions you are permanently protected from with a disease whether it's measles i mean again permanently we can argue and say okay you know 25 years later one person in 10 thousand winds up getting measles yeah but we keep going back to the flu shot which is yeah but the flu shot doesn't is it a vaccine yes it's a flu yes but it's not very effective right so this is kind of like that yeah except the side effects are off the charts compared to the flu flu vaccine is basically water for most people what do you think the vares data shows it shows that this thing is extremely by the standards of other vaccines extremely dangerous if it were a therapeutic with this with this level of side effects and this level of protection i don't think it would be approved forget whether we'd be arguing whether we needed mandates i don't think this could be approved if it were not called a vaccine my concern is whether or not the reporting is accurate do you think the reporting is accurate because the various data if we're just going by that data you think it wouldn't be approved but is that data accurate um so listen the the vaccine fanatics like to say theirs is a voluntary reporting system anybody can report anything it doesn't prove that the vaccine is actually dangerous right it could be over reported that's true oh look i've read a lot of various reports and there's a few that are clearly fake that people have thrown in to try to i think in most cases actually i think they've been thrown in by pro-vaccine people to try to embarrass uh people like me into you know if you fool me into reporting it then you can say oh look berenson reported that you know three eight-year-olds died on the same day from the vaccine as nonsense right so so so i'm actually pretty careful about using varus data it is also clear to me that al
most of those reports are made in good faith and they show what they say they show okay they have lots of detail and that doesn't mean by the way it doesn't mean that everybody who has a side effect following a vaccine or who has a negative event following the vaccine that the vaccine has caused the negative event let me give you let me give you a good example okay there's this big question about whether or not the vaccines can cause miscarriages not infertility okay i don't think there's any evidence right now that the vaccines cause infertility there is some animal evidence early on that the vaccines can cause miscarriages what animal evidence is um it's from rat dams in uh in the pre-clinical work and it was reported in the uh moderna and actually the pfizer um european data not the something called there's something called the european medicines agency the ema and they uh they posted more complete data than our fda did and that showed that there were these rat dams that uh that that had more deaths in people in the in the rats that were vaccinated more miscarriages i should say in the rats that were vaccinated than those that weren't what was the ratio it was about two to one or three to one so yeah yeah i mean listen it's rats it's a high i i should say it was two to one so what they do is they count um uh they look at the at the like number of i guess live i don't know how they would it was about 15 of of rat pregnancies in vaccinated people fascinated rats uh miscarried and and seven percent uh in in rats that didn't receive a vaccine so so 15 let me let me start again okay because i want to be right about this i think you count live bursts i think that's actually how they do we could we could find this but it's way way buried in this in this file um so you count live rat births you you know you impregnate the rats and then
you give some of them a vaccine you give some of them placebo and then the rats have their little rat babies and you see who's alive and do they give them a ratio of the vaccine i think it's fortunate no i think it's higher it's like i don't know how much higher but it's significantly higher than humans would receive okay because you're this is not meant to prove anything it's meant to it's meant to sort of be an avenue for exploration okay and obviously what you're hoping is that you know no matter how much you give the the same percentage of rat babies will be born dead in both arms in this case in both the pfizer and moderna vaccines double the number of rats were born dead in the vaccine arm as in the placebo arm and so that's a signal doesn't prove anything it's just a little signal but here's something else we know pregnancy is a vascular you know it's a vascular event right you're the woman is feeding this fetus it requires a lot of cell growth it requires a lot of um uh like you know there's increases in blood volume there's all kinds of stuff that happens to women when they're pregnant right it's a major metabolic event some women get diabetes when they're pregnant can happen these vaccines appear to the extent they have side effects those side effects are centered around the cardiovascular system right because we know as as you said earlier the spike protein and sardis co2 in general have effects on the endothelium on the lining of your vasculature your the walls okay one wouldn't be shocked to find that in some cases perhaps a vascular event could lead to problems for fetal growth i'm not saying that's happening i'm just saying theoretically there's sort of a biological plausibility there okay so there were a bunch of reports in vares of miscarriages following the vaccine in some cases very shortly following the vaccine okay here's what else we know miscarriage is very common especially early on in pregnancy tons of sometimes women miscarrying don't even know they were pregnant so when you give something to lots and
lots of people and it's a common event you're gonna have lots and lots of cases what i'm saying is that when people email me and they do regularly email me and say do you think the vaccine causes miscarriage i say i don't know because that's the best answer and i say sometimes now because there's been a couple studies out of israel actually and also in the u.s where they've where they've looked at sort of large cohorts of pregnant women and they haven't found excess miscarriages okay that doesn't mean again because it's not a randomized trial there could be that the women who got the vaccine tend to take better care of themselves in general and had a lower miscarriage base rate and that got pushed up we don't know right what i'm saying is all this stuff is incredibly complicated but when the director of the cdc or when twitter or whoever says we know these things are safe we know there's no infertility risk we know there's no miscarriages they are lying okay it doesn't mean that i'm saying i know there is a risk what it means is the correct answer is there's a lot we don't understand about this and it's early days and to tell pregnant women who are at very low risk of death from covid very low that they need to take this is wrong why do you think they're urging pregnant women to take it because that i have seen that that that covid while you're pregnant is exceptionally dangerous that's a lie okay the what they're doing is they're comparing the risk of a pregnant woman with kova to the risk of a non-pregnant woman of the same age with covid the reason so there is a slight excess risk but it's off a baseline that's almost too low to be measured a 25 year old woman who gets covered is it again basically no risk unless she's morbidly obese what if she's a 38 year old woman that has coveted and still at very very low risk not zero very very low okay okay so they so i think that for whatever reason there's just this societal campaign that these these people have convinced themselves that everyone needs the shot what
bothers me and it seems to be a real thing is that there is a real resistance to not just accepting but even the distribution of possible therapeutics other than the vaccine a big one being the monoclonal antibodies where biden actually restricted the amount that went to florida and texas after it showed that widespread use of monoclonal antibodies on people who were unvaccinated led to superior outcomes yeah you're right it's insane okay desantis has been like he's followed the science better than any other political leader elected official and somebody told him or he looked at the data himself he realized that the monoclonal guys work okay they work like the merck drug works we have real evidence this is the thing i'm not out there saying like homeopathic remedies are going to get you out of i'm not right you need treatments for this yeah okay and you're right like but it's bizarre that they've they've been hesitant and resisting them in fact yeah it's bizarre it's bizarre that ivermectin hasn't been properly tested it's bizarre that vitamin d hasn't been properly tested or zinc or um there's a there's a there's an antidepressant weirdly enough that like seems to show some efficacy uh fluvoxamine it's called um we could have tested all of these things a year ago we haven't yeah is it just because there's just this mad scramble to get the vaccines out and because the vaccines were thought to be the savior of this pandemic that all of our eggs were in that one basket i i you know i look i i don't understand i don't and and that's the best explanation actually because that's not the one that's like oh they want to depopulate everybody or you know it's all fizery i've heard that one i know you've heard that one it's that one gets weird it gets weird you can't i heard that one from a doctor uh people go down rabbit holes okay the so there's that edge and then i'd say there's like the middle conspiracy theories which is like pfizer just owns the fda well pfizer doesn't own the fda but they're a big powerful company and they have 24 lobbying groups in
washington apparently and they want they're making a few billion dollars a year off these vaccines did you see that the woman from the cdc is now talking about gun violence no she's moved on good it was the strangest thing is it related to covet cover causes gun violence not at all i i just don't understand how the center for disease control oh they've been talking about this for a while but like publicly oh yeah yeah they're done yeah yeah they're super woke on this they awoke yeah are they talking about obesity no i mean yes they'll talk about obesity when they are they talking about diet and heart disease you know once in a while but that seems like something they should talk about since those are diseases yeah well gun violence you know it's an epidemic so that's right but not in comparison i know but i mean numbers-wise if you look at the people that die from guns versus the people that die from heart attacks joe but your explanation is the least conspiratorial right it's that a bunch of people made kind of bad decisions early on based on panic inc and one of the decisions they made is we have to get these vaccines out at any cost without you know we're going to speed the test warp speed yes and this is going to we we're going to have a chance to really change human history for the first time ever we are going to crash an epidemic in its tracks we are going to use this new technology it is going to be great it's going to be nobel prizes and billions for everybody yeah and they stuck to that narrative and they stuck to that narrative and unfortunately human biology and the virus are not cooperating i was absolutely fascinated when the fda retracted its recommendation for the booster shot because my thought was now what because this is a like a real quagmire that's right to get into that position where you're saying i i don't think there's evidence for a booster when there's also evidence that the drug or the vaccine rather stops working well this is why you know this is why they're blaming the unvaccinated yeah but that
thing doesn't even make sense i know it's like you know you've seen the memes like you know you're saying that you being protected is you're in danger from the unprotected but you're protected right so they need to be protected too so that you're protected right i don't i know but then i've also heard that there's people that believe that the variants are being caused by the vaccinated people or the unvaccinated people right and then i've had explained to me that no it's actually probably what's happening is when you vaccinate people for a very specific like spike protein that the variance the virus selects for the variance yes and that it finds what's not where there is no immunity and that those variants then propagate yes the vaccine reduces the genomic diversity of the virus yes and and causes it as you say to select for mutations that are going to enable it to beat the vaccine but the idea also is that these va these variants actually came from a place where there's low vaccination rates which is even weirder and then it was explained to me that no all sorts of things cause viruses to mutate viruses are constantly mutating and the vaccines whether it's vaccinated or unvex is just one or two factors in this incredible equation of billions of people that are infected by a similar virus yeah exactly billions of people with with trillions or you know virions viral particles and this thing is kind of sloppy and like makes mistakes when it's replicating yeah delta came from india right you know we're not we're not again we're not allowed to talk about where things came from anymore but delta you call it the indian virus you're allowed to say that or did you get racist you used to used to be able to it was the spanish flu remember that's right but delta came from india at a time when almost nobody was vaccinated right but that doesn't mean that the vaccine didn't help make it more uh more common it may have had it may have had characteristics that an unvaccinated population wouldn't have allowed it to take over the way it did
in vaccinated populations we don't know this is complicated it's very complicated but it's very contagious and unvaccinated people and in vaccinated people so so i put up a paper on my substance uh two days ago actually yesterday out of israel i mean i hate to like make it sound like the israelis are the only ones who are doing anything but they they they are doing a lot why are they doing things differently well no they're not it's not that they're doing things differently it's they appear to be a little bit less political yeah that's what i'm saying like so so they're i mean not that their government isn't very pro-vaccine it's very look you got this green pass where you're going to need a third dose right but they have scientists out there who for whatever reason are reporting stuff in a less uh i would say in a more transparent way okay and and that's true in the uk too here i mean you know you asked me about the mayor of austin i look it is entirely clear that fouchy lied about lots of stuff yeah he he lied including gay and functional research oh god did he lie about that yeah which is stunning that he did that in front of congress in front of congress yeah and we didn't even you know we started with that that was an hour and a half ago i mean this is one of the problems with the joke like i'm gonna go and whatever time i'm gonna go like we could talk we could talk for 24 hours straight we could do like a cove 24 hour marathon there's so much to talk about so this not this month because now it's october in september there were two major document dumps that came out about wuhan okay and it was the second one actually was the most important one this showed that the eco health alliance unless these documents are are made up and i do not believe they're made up and and and dazzack who's the head of ecohealth has not said they're made up and he presumably he would he hasn't threatened to sue anybody internal documents from eco health from 2018 showed that they were considering and not just considering they made a proposal to darpa you know
that which is the pentagon defense advanced projects research agency they made a proposal to spend 14 million dollars infecting bats in buhaan with a spike protein that was optimized to attack humans i mean it's so insane it sounds it sounds conspiratorial it sounds like i made that up but i didn't the same the same there it is leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research the proposal rejected by the u.s military research agency darpa which by the way they're making robots that can think for themselves and shoot missiles that's right describes the insertion of human specific cleavage sites into sars related back chronovirus i mean you can't make this up no you can't make this up and that this eco health alliance was funded by the nih which then in turn worked with the wuhan lab that's right and so darpa which as you say they make robots that you know can shoot people this was too risky for them yeah they're like huh yeah that's just crazy son yeah that's right so so by the way the chinese okay they got a few bucks themselves these days do you think that when darpa didn't fund this maybe like the chinese government didn't fund it themselves we don't know one reason we don't know because i'm gonna not curse when i i promised myself even though this is a curse you know this is a first happy environment i told myself i'm gonna i'm gonna be the higher mammal today i'm not gonna curse okay tony fauci in february beginning in february 2020 when this thing had just come out of wuhan shockingly became involved in a campaign to discourage anyone from investigating the lab leak and saying that anyone who did was racist okay and who was his best buddy on that campaign peter dazek okay this got so bad that last week finally the lancet had lancet had a commission to
investigate the origins of covid19 who was part of the commission peter dasak so finally the guy who was in charge of the commission said we have to disband this because it looks like there might be an appearance of a conflict of interest oh really you hired agent you hired oj to investigate nicole brown simpson's death was that an appearance of a conflict of interest too they're insane like this is it's all been happening in plain sight yeah it's not it's not hidden at all and that's why when rand paul confronts fouchy about it and then most recently confronted that lawyer um who was responsible for calling people who believe in natural immunity inferred by previous infection he equated those people to flat earthers and then fauci uh you know i mean or rand paul rather is questioning him and and talking to him about this like do you have a medical degree do you have any scientific background at all no you're just a lawyer and how are you getting away with saying this and the guy literally had no answer no no answer fauci here's the thing here's the thing about fouchy which i i like whispering you gotta you gotta go back to his public statements the last 30 years he's such a megalomaniac he's such a megalomaniac and it sneaks out from he's kind of like this you know he's such a he's you know he's like he's like he wants to sort of be to have this like air of science about him and yeah i mean obviously he's a smart guy he understands science but you know wearing the lab coat he used to do that a lot more he would wear the lab coat everywhere his restaurants and [ __ ] i think he used to but every once in a while what he really thinks about himself sneaks out and he's a megalomaniac well you heard the third person thing oh no you didn't hear what he said no when you're criticized you criticize science yes he said his name yeah that's always a bad sign i thought all the assets were allowed to do that you're criticizing science itself yes
yes he believes that that's a crazy thing to say it's a crazy thing to say absolutely crazy thing to say from someone who's been proven to have lied in front of congress yes so he and i think we talked about this a little bit off air before okay but so the hiv you know story is an is an interesting story okay and it's actually a story of medicine working and science working right because we eventually eventually but not that long azt though yeah but here there's these people out there who think azt was like this is you know killed killed a whole bunch of people the truth is azt actually is still used in some of these regimens it's just that azt by itself doesn't stop the virus it can't you need you need you need multiple wasn't it something that they used for chemotherapy yes it's a very toxic yeah they stopped using it because it was killing people quick yes but you got to remember hiv hasn't like untreated hiv has a 90 percent plus fatality rate it is an incredibly low the 10 savages are surviving i think it's even closer to 95 to 99. i mean there's a few people somehow there are miracle immune systems who clear it but it kills almost everybody right i mean so so fauci in the in the 80s you know there's this it's a plague right and it's hurting who's who's it hurting the most it's hurting gay people and it's hurting intravenous drug users marginalized people so fauci basically starts lying about that and says you know he he wasn't the only one but there was this idea like if in the public health if we tell the truth then no one's going to want to fund research you know americans are so evil they won't do anything to help these people you know i i don't think that was true actually even then it's certainly not true now but but but so fauci you know pretends that like this is a disease that anybody can get you know you walk into a disco you walk out with the wrong guy you're going to get hiv you know very very very rare okay fauci realizes that the activist can be on his side if he's nice to them and
that's a good thing why is it a good thing well it's a good thing for a couple reasons it means his scientists aren't going to have to worry about getting blood thrown at them it means that uh that he's got a large pool of people with hiv who are willing to participate in clinical trials but why is it good for anthony fauci it's good for anthony fauci because all these really organized people are going to tell congress to give him more money and over the next few years fauci's budget for research goes from like three hundred million dollars to five billion dollars by by the early aughts the us was spending more money on hiv research than almost anything or more money i should say on and on on his on his uh unit of the nih than i believe any other unit except cancer that's a weird statement the early aughts is that the early 2000s early 2000s okay so he's so his budget goes from like 300 million dollars a year to 5 billion a year which basically he controls it's a huge kitty for him and but what's the good news in all this the good news is that the companies the pharma companies and the government researchers and academia got together and came up with treatments for hiv we should not forget that we basically solved hiv very few people in the united not nobody but very few people die from this thing anymore when it killed 95 percent of the people who got it early on and fauci has gotten a ton of credit for that even though he's not really a bench scientist he didn't really invent any of the drugs or anything but he did manage the politics of it he's really good at managing the politics of things so my my view on him is that when this came along he had two concerns one was to make sure he didn't get blamed for the gain of function stuff and it's pretty clear again very early on that he was aware that this might have come out of a lab okay but the other thing is tony fetch he can get his his nobel prize now how's he going to get it he's going to get it by solving the epidemic
by leading the development of a vaccine to market not just a therapeutic that helps cure it a vaccine that makes it go away and so basically since february or march of 2020 the u.s government has been focused on vaccines as the answer to the detriment of almost everything else and unfortunately that would have been fine if the vaccines had worked as we hoped they would but they don't so it's a bunch of different factors all combining together to to put us in the position we're in it's him it's his his history what and it's also the amount of money that's generated by the propagation of these vaccines and you know the ignoring of all the other possible therapeutics including emergency use authorization ones like the monoclonal antibodies correct correct because the narrative is get everyone vaccinated correct even to the point of ignoring the data that shows that people who have had a previous infection recovered actually have superior antibodies than people who have been vaccinated they still are trying to require those people to get vaccine including people that risk their lives on the front lines the hospital workers that gotkov had survived it have better immunity and now are being forced out of their jobs because they don't want to get shot that's right and ignoring the data that says you know what after a few months your immune your antibodies go away and ignoring the data that says we don't have you know we've had a dozen people or two dozen people or three dozen people with boosters and now we're going to tell the whole world to get them ignoring all of this i mean look so i so i got so much [ __ ] from the left oh my cursed you couldn't [ __ ] up the whole show couldn't do it but you you get [ __ ] on twitter you say from the left but it's really from twitter and twitter is a mental institution where people are throwing [ __ ] at each other all day that's what they do but but no this was this was here's here's here's what i what i like so i yeah i
got a lot of grief from the left and i said grief that time i don't know why this has become something for me today actually jamie could put a beep over there i cursed on the show all the time last time why do you want to know i don't know i'm like i've got this like ocd about it you're not even wearing a suit or anything like you know i know i was a person i know i was going to wear i was like and then i was like it's what am i doing like you're in a position so you're in a weird position i'm a weird physician i want to be taken seriously i understand yeah so i shouldn't be wearing a kermit the frog t-shirt which is what i had is that a cremate the frog no no i i have i had one that i was like you can't wear chronologically i can't work the frog we can't wear any frogs because of the whole uh pepe the frog thing oh oh god you know if you have a frog you're like you're signaling to the right oh my god these rules don't you know about the frog i know about pepe but kermit is too close to pepe is that true i would imagine oh god well kermit sips tea and like mocks things too sometimes don't you know that there's a meme of kermit sipping tea you've seen that right jamie jamie's the most inside he knows all that i i know i know you know the guy who made q anon he knows him he knows him personally mr q yeah he knows him don't don't eat it i'm just don't even you're gonna get in trouble i'm joking so so but so people on the right were attacking me though when i was you know when i had the like balls when i heard that attacking you because because they viewed it as so people on the left were terrified to covet right right terrified out of their minds terrified of kobe i'm not going outside i'm not letting my kids outside my kids aren't going to school they ruin their lives for more than a year right right and then the vaccines came the vaccines will save us all lordy lordy okay it truly was a religious cult around these things for the people on the left okay the people on the right weren't so scared right for the most part they had a better idea but i'm not and i'm not talking about like ordinary folks i'm
talking about like the k streeters the the the mitch mcconnells of the world it was you know what i don't really understand the science of this but if this is going to get us out of this nonsense okay and so a lot of people on the right happily like were happy to go along with the vaccines without looking at the data too much so who does that leave it leaves like me and a few other people who are going to be the flies in the ointment who are going to be like you know guys pfizer actually only enrolled six people over 85 in this trial and those are the people who die from covid so maybe we don't actually know how well the vaccines work and vares is getting so badly beaten up by all the side effect reports it keeps crashing and maybe that actually means something maybe it's not just a bunch of anti-vaxxers doing it for kicks maybe it's actually people who've had you know myocarditis do you know anyone who's suffered vaccine yes i actually do know i don't know any well i mean i know people now because people come to me i but personally i don't know anybody who's had a really serious covet case but i do know of someone who's had what i believe is a very serious vaccine injury and you know it's again you can't prove it yeah but that that's my belief yeah um and this is you know this is a this is a relative so um but but so people got themselves locked in to the narrative yes because but what what they never understood and this is you know i say this at the end of the book okay what they never understood was it wasn't the choice is not vaccines or pandemic the choice is normal life or pandemic because this thing kills probably worldwide somewhere between two and three out of every thousand people in infects you know in the u.s it's a little bit more because in the u.s uh you know we're we're older compared to let's say africa and we're fatter
compared to europe so we might be at three per thousand there is no reason on earth to be turning our lives upside down for this thing there has never been not since april of 2020 any evidence that this could destroy hospitals or hospital systems remember those hospital ships that went into new york harbor left a month later and they'd taken care of almost no one okay i'm not saying hospitals don't get full sometimes i'm not saying that there's not hospital ships they had ships yeah uss comfort usns comfort and usns mercy so they pulled into new york harbor harbor of an overwhelming amount of people with covid in new york in april 2020 one a city councilman not some rando a city councilman said we are going to start burying people in central park okay that's how crazy it got he probably wanted to get reelected he actually ran for mayor and got nowhere idiot but that was back in the day also when really people did not know the actual effects of the disease that's right there was no treatment it was very speculative people were very scared and also there was this thought that we needed ventilators yes and ventilators killed people in new york unquestionably yes okay listen unfortunately by the time you get to needing a ventilator with covet you're pretty sick and some of those people are going to die but we clearly overuse ventilators early on but why what we should have been saying from the not not okay not from you know not from the day it came out but certainly from april 2020 was this is manageable we have an advanced healthcare system we're going to take care of this problem without destroying our society and the public health establishment wouldn't do it the media wouldn't do it and clearly with the media a lot of it was hatred of trump they saw it as punishing him and he i'm not going to say clearly he he probably i would say there's a better than even chance he wins the election if not for the coronavirus that's certainly what the betting markets thought in january 2020. so so the coronavirus destroyed his
reelection for sure but along the way it got so deep into so many people into their psyches it panicked so many people that it became it seems impossible at least not you know it's not down here down here people live normal lives but in new york people people are so crazy about this and the vaccines were promised as the answer yeah and there's just this total unwillingness to admit that they are not working as promised what was it about this i mean you've had some controversial takes on things in the past and that's actually how we got to know each other um where i actually agreed with you even though i'm a marijuana uh enthusiast i do know people that have had very adverse reactions to marijuana and when you had this book that came out tell your children about um the dangers of marijuana there was a lot of people that were like potheads that wanted me to have you on to go after you but i was like hold on guys like this is a thing like this is the thing that i've witnessed i know people that have had psychotic episodes or schizophrenic episodes the numbers of people that have schizophrenia they it varies i think they think it's 100 just naturally it could be that that we're experiencing and marijuana like enhances it or but it's certainly something that's worth discussing and it's certainly something that with some people's not a good idea for them to to engage in and we had you on with mike hart a marijuana doctor and or prescribes it who by the way has is very sort of in favor of my views on coveting yes weirdly well not weirdly i mean i think i think you know it's hard when you go into a debate because you want to come out victorious you have this uh preconceived assumption of your being correct and you go into this thing and i i'm sure he probably expected more support from me too yes which was i thought you really played it neutral that that day well i know people that's the problem i've personal experience with friends who've lost their [ __ ] mind and uh i've had some slippery moments on
marijuana too not slippery to the point where i thought i was going psychotic but where i'm like wow this is scary like you can you can get so paranoid and so freaked out from thc that if you had a mind that was already in trouble that's right that's that's how i would perceive it and i know of people i know of one guy very clearly there was a moment where it changed his life it changed his life he got a high-dose edibles and he's never been the same person never and since then he's gone further and further downhill like flat earth everything like all everything all the above he's um and you know i haven't spoken to him in years but he's out of his [ __ ] mind like legitimately and i don't know how much of it would have happened anyway right but i do know that a large amount of it happened because of that that one day yes and i've know of other people too that i think it happened to them too i mean and that's and you know i think that's what's really the certainly the cannabis industry lobby hates that idea because it's like if if there's a risk that one day you can kind of sort of break yourself and not come back it's one thing to have like a temporary psychosis in your cover and you know what okay i'm not going to use again or i'm not going to use for a while but if if there's this if there's this realization that for some people we don't know how many and we don't know what the dose might be that you can use one time at the wrong time and you know possibly cause yourself some permanent injury and you don't get that back i think obviously that won't be great for cannabis sales well i think it's one of those things like alcohol right like you can drink yourself to death yes it's very possible it's rare that people do it most of us have had a few drinks and we feel terrible the next day but there are people amongst us that have died from alcohol poisoning absolutely it's a real thing when when you hear about someone that has some crazy event on marijuana most of us just get a little high and that's it but the ones who have crossed over into the netherlands you know i've crossed over a few times and to but you but for whatever reason your mind you
come back you always come back i've come back but i've come back really nervous but it's all i just i'm a fake joe rogan says get straight i'm a fan of reality i do not like the delusional thinking i do not like deceptive thinking i don't like it even if it challenges my preconceived notions even if a challenge whatever narrative that i've associated myself with and one of those narratives is that marijuana is good but along the way in my life seeing some people where i think that something definitely happened to them from marijuana led me into this place where i i would be a liar if i wasn't honest about it right and i'm not interested in being a liar i don't this is what i don't and you know this is it's funny this is the same thing with the vaccines like at what point the the hospitals have tons of vaccinated people we saw the british data okay and i'm telling you human biology is the same everywhere and there's plenty of people dying getting sick and dying or vaccinated in the us why can't they admit it why do they have to lie about it i think it's this thing where everyone is committed to this narrative like i was saying i could have done with marijuana there's there people they identify with being a person that's on the right side if you're a person who got vaccinated you did the right thing if you're a person who is pro-vax you are on the right side including like when you're seeing that vaccine mandates folks be really clear about this vaccine mandates is a form of control that's all it is that's all it is if you're dealing with a vaccine that you could get in january and here we are we're a good solid 10 months later that [ __ ] is useless right if that's the case if that is the case what what how is that okay how is it okay that you can have a vaccine you can go anywhere you want as long as you got a shot in january but someone who got infected last month who has rock-solid antibodies can't go in there that is nonsense i have a real concern about this in the slippery slope of government
control you make a great point which is and and i i appreciate you bringing this up so if you're vaccinated back early on you probably again this is what the israeli data suggests this is what our breakthrough infection data suggests in even in the u.s you probably have very little protection right now if you got infected three months ago yourself and recovered by yourself with no vaccine or you know maybe you had been previously vaccinated doesn't matter you have good protection right now okay so why is the person in the first category privileged over the person in the second category it has nothing to do with the medical realities well it's a binary decision it's like there's a one or a zero a good or a bad get vaccinated that's good and so they've decided there's too many cases we need to get everybody vast and the the mayor of new york is such a buffoon to have it come from him makes so much sense because he's such a dullard and when he proclaims this that we're going to do this you know after he's like told people they can get free vaccine or free cheeseburgers with vaccines like you you see like this is not a rational decision that's based on science and based on the data like desantis is making but this is but this is again this is where i come back to you and i say i do see a sociological element in this yeah i see a lot of talking down to people and you may remember back again back february march april it was we're going to tell those idiots they can get a lottery ticket if they're vaccinated [ __ ] keith oberman yeah they're not morons they're idiots they're snowflakes right but now he's angry and afraid before it was condescension before it was just and you could see it you know who's the worst of all by the way john oliver john oliver is the most interesting keith olbermann yeah because he's just he's so oily and condescending oberman's just crazy he was really good on community is he kind of is he worse than stephen colbert yeah colbert is right up there have you seen that jamie you've seen that have we played that before i want to see this we should play the vaccine dance because
you know like da da da da da da da have you seen that no oh i try to avoid these you're in for a treat you're in for a treat stephen colbert i don't know what happened i think they brought him to bohemian grove and they let him [ __ ] the owl god or something i don't know what happened i don't know if they're so unfunny now too that's a whole he was brilliant when he was on comedy central when he was doing the colbert report he was [ __ ] brilliant it was one of the best shows on television that character that he developed that republican [ __ ] character was amazing but then he goes over oh it's bill o'reilly it's better than bill o'reilly could ever hope to be if that was a real person he would be the king of the world if he could if he could go bear if he could like maintain that character and run for president he would win hands down um but because he would control the right they would they would all [ __ ] fall in line for him if they could find a guy like that with no like legit skeletons you know like no dead girls or live boys it would be a [ __ ] game changer but i mean i think he was amazing in that character but as the host of a a talk show he's just different i mean maybe he's older and he sees things differently and maybe ted beat the stuffing out of humor i guess i don't know i'm left wing i don't i mean i i'm still left you know i mean i'm only right-wing on some personal freedoms and and guns and a few other things and the military in support of the military and support of police you know i'm i'm very right-wing in that but i'm very pro-choice i'm very pro-civil rights i'm very by the way this abortion law in texas is crazy it's crazy crazy crazy preposterous preposterous six weeks is literally like a a grain of rice you know what you want you want to outlaw abortion outlaw don't set up this craziness of like we're not doing it and we're going to hope the supreme court like goes with our weirdness yeah no it's not good and i think most of us living in texas had no idea that it was even happening until it was too late and
then it was a wake-up call whatever it was like it's gonna it's gonna get struck down i think one can only hope because my thought on any of these like ridiculous overreach things is they make people swing in the other direction and i think it's good to have texas red i think and again this is coming from someone who's very liberal but i think that there's certain there's a certain rigidity and a certain like discipline and like respect for law that's involved in the right that we're we're really slipping on in these blue states and when i see all the chaos that happens in a lot of these blue cities like san francisco allowing people to just go into stores and steal 900 worth [ __ ] and run out like it doesn't work you have to have accountability after a certain amount of accountability you have to have you have to have a certain amount of law and order it's important yeah it's important but but one of the things and again this is what's so odd like these people are the same people who suddenly want vaccine mandates right and they they want to oh here we go you need to see this which is weird it's posted in june and everyone just saw last week well nobody watches that show well that's probably the reason why but give me some vine look at the dance these are needles so he's dancing and there's needles behind him dancing [Music] it gets worse so he's doing his little dance not a bad dancer looks like he's having a good time but here's the best part oh my god dude there's not even a song so he's going through the crowd and he finds people and they're all clapping because the applause signs are on ladies and gentlemen [Music] and no one and he grabs some old lady's dancing with her no one in this is appalled by this insane attempt at propaganda dressed up as entertainment like what is this
tell me what that is and it just ends let him keep talking i want to hear what he says [Applause] and and and they said it couldn't get any longer wow what is that i don't know like imagine being in a meeting me as a comedian i imagine being in a meeting with a bunch of writers and this is what they pitch what wait a minute so i'm gonna dance with needles so you just want me to kind of like dance with needles and then go vaccine that's it that's it that's the whole thing that's all you need to know who's paying for this and you just want to pull their masks off like a scooby-doo episode and it's a bunch of pfizer execs you [ __ ] it was you all along i would have got away with it wasn't for you meddling kids well they did get away with it though because they blocked me from twitter they bought me who do you think blocked you oh this is okay so well we may find out it'd be nice we get a little discovery are you going to court i am keeping my legal options open where where are you at now what can you say what can i say i can say that i am okay here's here's why people think these suits can't win okay so there's something called section 230. section 230 is part of the it's a it's a law it's like 25 years old it's part of the communications decency act um it gives internet companies tremendous protection against lawsuits related to their content decisions okay this is not a not a secret um there's two main provisions and it's been totally sort of misinterpreted in a way that is doesn't really make any sense but is now basically the rules so there's two main provisions provision one says essentially and this is really what it was designed for you can't be sued if you host something sort of unknowingly that's uh you know that's child pornography or that's like uh you know go go kill my ex-wife or you can't be you can't be you can't get in
trouble for that for something you don't know about that's right you're not going to be considered the publisher legally for that if you if you do that and that makes sense okay you know your twitter you get up i don't know how many billion tweets that day they get but it's a lot okay or facebook or whatever okay so so it's it would be unfair to hold them legally responsible then there's a second part of this that says essentially you can make decisions about what to host in good faith um and you can't be held liable and and that includes uh you know indecent or uh uh you know prurient there's certain specific statutory language or otherwise objectionable it includes that language otherwise objectionable which is not defined even if it's constitutionally protected okay so you take those two things together now now the first part has been interpreted in a way that clearly was not intended by the people who wrote the law which is what people have said is even though basically i get all the protections of uh of the law and i get to make publishing decisions so in other words i can i can choose what it was meant to be was you can't sue me for some you know joe puts up something saying alex is a child molester and i so and i sue twitter saying you know that's wrong and twitter says i we you know we didn't do this we're not the publisher that clearly makes sense what the companies have managed to convince the courts to do is say i put up all this stuff about myself or about whatever and you took it down you have and they say you know that's our decision we can choose whether or not to host any content because getting choosing to protection for hosting should include protection for not hosting as a blanket principle that's what they've convinced the courts so in other words we win whether we host it we don't
host it we have a good reason we have no reason we win you cannot sue us for any choices around this and this has been a position that the courts have essentially accepted okay okay and they've also said uh we're private companies yes we have power we're you know but we're not the government uh uh facebook might have two billion users a month or whatever it is but it's not the government so so the first amendment does not apply to us and the courts have accepted that okay this has proven to be a pretty strong uh legal barrier to i mean almost almost completely strong and the companies have gotten more and more aggressive about choosing who they will and will not host okay they've now gotten so aggressive that they you know they took the president off or the you know the former president off and and you know they took me off did i say forget you know did i i mean first it had to be you had to kind of make active threats to get taken off then it would be you know broad incitements against bl you know for law breaking to get taken off i got taken off for being right about the vaccines and that's why i got taken off essentially and for asking questions that people didn't want asked you were saying you were also promoting vaccine hesitancy by your unsightly truths uh yes although i never told people and i've actually been on tucker and and i think i was on with you back in in december didn't say people shouldn't get vaccinated if they're older certainly right um you know i think it's a risk benefit analysis it's a spectrum as with any yeah and i think for older people it's actually clearly more beneficial i mean at this point i'm not as positive about that as i used to be but uh because again because there's this duration issue right but whatever okay i did not so so back in the day you had to you know you first first you had to threaten people then maybe we'll take off some races then we'll take off some people who are inciting law breaking now
whatever we'll take off whatever the hell we want we take off a guy who used to write for the new york times who is actually quoting real studies and real data that's coming out of all parts of the world that's right that's right why because we can and and good luck suing us okay so the thing is they tell you anything no you just get these notices like how does it go so okay well i'm a good boy i've never even been suspended from twitter oh you're you're doing something wrong just don't type on it you're not pushing enough i retweet things that's it you didn't retweet me enough before i got suspended i'm gonna i'm gonna retweet you i gotta put pandemia over my face i retweeted you a little bit um didn't i a couple of times how many times you want me to well you know sell some books lots of books you gotta realize man i i can't just retweet one per there's a lot of people out there yeah four million of them follow you or whatever five million now i think it's more than that really anyway um so okay so twitter has policies okay right and the and they've changed the policies repeatedly in the last 18 months now arbitrarily well yes but it's their service okay they can change the policies right there are several questions of fact around me and again i have to be careful here one would be whether or not they followed their own stated policies around me okay another would be if they made assurances to me executives at twitter or an executive at twitter made assurances to me based on conversations via email that we had and i will tell you we had conversation via email okay it's in the book with that with editors with me with that executive with an executive of twitter where i explained exactly what i was going to say and i was explicitly told go ahead okay um so who is making the decision do we have any idea who's making the decision to hit the ban hammer on you so here's what else i can tell you this is i mean this is sort of it's public um
you know there was a lot of controversy around what i was saying and it increased when i started to criticize the vaccines and my account became you know more and more viewed uh over the summer but for several months okay for several months anyone at twitter and you know they're going to pay attention to accounts that get 10 million impressions a day or 5 million impressions a day any anyone at twitter would have known what i was saying and saying it on their service okay and twitter took no action against me no action they they did sometimes label they labeled some tweets as misleading which in my opinion and you know maybe if we get to a court we'll see those tweets were not misleading but twitter took no action against me for those tweets okay on june 15 2021 the press secretary of the united states and the surgeon general in the united states called on social media services to begin uh enforcing rules about misinformation including facebook and twitter so they they mentioned platforms not just one facebook is the main platform and twitter is the second main platform on june on july 16th 2021 the president of the united states was asked a question about facebook and vaccines and he said facebook he said they're killing people okay and i think it was actually facebook and other platforms and he said they're killing people and the same day jan pasakhi the press secretary of the united states again repeated that platforms needed to take enforcement action july 16 2021 is the first time twitter suspended me okay so we'll see if a court wants to decide whether the u.s government put undue pressure on twitter and whether twitter was acting as a state actor okay which would which would which would mean they're subject to the first amendment whether or not 230 applies
would you have to have direct correspondence between twitter and the state department in order to make that claim um well i can claim whatever i want to prove it is different right but discovery is an avenue where you find out what the other side knows and doesn't know and it's also possible you know because this is some of the stuff is government i can try to foia i can file freedom of information act requests to try to find out what they know and don't know okay so so those are all avenues beyond that there are legal doctrines and again because the companies were so have gotten so fat and happy with 230 and they've gotten so protected from it and they've become more and more aggressive about de-platforming people there's now lawyers who are concerned about this and they are looking at various legal doctrines precedents that would raise the question of whether or not 230 is being misapplied and over applied and you actually saw some of this last week president former president trump filed an uh request for a preliminary injunction against twitter so he could get back on the service and he raised the question of some precedents uh from cases that are decades old when did he do this he did it friday really i wasn't aware of that yes um he uh he asked for he wants to get back on the service and so you know he has he has some claims um i frankly think that my claims are stronger than his because of some of the specifics of the timing and the specifics of my communications with twitter we will see if these cases are they're complicated and if i'm going to bring one i want to bring it in a way that is likely to win now if he has a case and his case gets out there first and by some miracle they wind up reinstating him on twitter then your case becomes stronger i would yes much stronger i would think so but is there any possibility that they're going to let him back on twitter well they won't let him back on unless a court forces them to that's what the pro so preliminary
injunction is a requirement so twitter you know it doesn't matter what twitter wants in that case now twitter's gonna say we're a private company we can choose to have whoever we want on we have our own rules and uh you know it's a violation of our first amendment rights to force us to put anyone on including the former president god what a mess it's it's it's a mess and it's a mess because the companies have grown too powerful and they are exercising censorship much too aggressively and frankly the left isn't satisfied this is beyond the fact who are who is the left like even more than big pharma right now big tech well the reason why is because they are silencing their enemies right the enemy of my enemy is also my friend until it's not right right until it's not what's it's a very short-sighted approach because it's very it's extremely dangerous to just start censoring people because you for many reasons but one of the big ones is that you deny the value of discourse you deny the value of debate and of good speech winning out over bad speech when you have people that are saying things that are wrong or that you disagree with the greatest power is someone to come along who is more intellectual more articulate more more convincing that has an argument that's grounded in facts and it's not going to convince everybody but you're going to convince enough people that it's going to be valuable to have that debate and then overall our body of knowledge and our understanding of this whatever issue they're debating and discussing it becomes enhanced when you silence people that disagree with something or people that have opposing views then you just live in an echo chamber and you also you're going to galvanize all the people that are on the opposing side because now they're going to realize that not only can they not discuss it but they've been completely silenced and their their perspective has never heard from again so then they just try to find other places to go to well and it breeds
conspiracy theories yeah and it breeds you know uh the people people are only talking to each other they're going to naturally sort of pursue the wildest possible avenues at least with the news there's fox right so you can get an opposing viewpoint there's no opposing viewpoint that is of a commensurate level oh it's not there's nothing close not even close people you know people say oh you should go on parlor or gab or or or uh or get her right and and the thing is like first of all i don't want to just be talking to the people who who are agreeing with me of course and second of all there's nothing twitter twitter is by far the most important of these platforms and they listen they've they've cost me real economic harm because you know i was able even though it's free right and as we talked about sub stack you can get almost all my content basically all of it for free when i would tell people on twitter yeah you should sign up for my substance they did so that was my with no other form of advertising i was able to drive people to my sub stack and and frankly this book is going to come out in a month and a half and i would love to be able to talk about it on twitter it would be valuable for me so they have hurt me economically they have defamed me when they say my reputation i mean listen people can watch this and think that like i made a mistake here i made a mistake there i don't think anybody who watches this can't say that i'm serious about what i'm talking about right that is my as a as a reporter it's important to me and as a reporter who's trying to sell books or whatever it's important to my brand and twitter defames me when they say that i'm putting out misleading information when that's the last thing i want to do if you want to say alex doesn't care he knows that old people are dying and he's just a bad guy and he doesn't care okay make that argument but don't tell me that i'm saying things that are not true or inaccurate because i do whatever i can to be accurate now you said you were in conversation with this executive yes and you told them
what you were going to do did you ever contact them after you were banned uh so he so so the executive i was in contact with um is a guy who was the head of global communications he actually left in in uh june of 2017. so so that you left right before you started getting suspended yeah and i don't know you know i i don't know what internal politics if any you mean he could have left for 100 reasons there was an article that was written in the atlantic about you yes the pandemic's wrongest man yes i didn't read it but did they get anything wrong do they get anything wrong i mean to me the whole article was broadly wrong but i actually address it in the book here's so look when i worked for the new york times when i before that okay when i was a reporter a quote unquote real reporter uh you know for major news organizations if you're gonna if you're gonna write about somebody you have an obligation to run all your important questions by them okay and not just once and the harder the article is going to be the more obligation you have now if they don't want to talk to you they want to lawyer up they want to tell you you're an [ __ ] whatever okay but you as the reporter the harder you're going to hit them the more responsibility you have to make sure they know what your questions are and to give them a chance to answer factually and then and then you should consider those answers okay not just try to poke holes in them you should consider them that's what journalism used to be joe right okay what has happened in the last one of the many terrible things that's happened in the last five years is it's a gotcha game but it isn't even really a game a gotcha game it's like this guy sent me one round of questions and i knew immediately upon reading them and i also knew it was the atlantic which i'd been writing you know about on twitter as being totally wrong for months and months i knew immediately that he was out to get me nonetheless i answered those questions in full
and if he'd had more questions for me i would have answered those too he took my answers he looked for other p he looked for his or like the the this you know friendly epidemiologists or whatever to try to poke holes in them where he had to he uh he you know he's heard like he twisted stuff that i had said and then he then he wrote what he wrote and he didn't come back to me and say hey you said this and i talked to three epidemiologists who said this what's your response you said this and when i look at this data source it says this what's your response so it was a hit piece in that oh it was a ton but but that's okay you can come to a piece with a point of view but and here's the other thing okay back then now my worries are about duration of you know protection as much as anything else but back then i had two main concerns about the vaccines which i expressed very clearly in my uh in a booklet in a 14 000 word booklet that came out a few days before that piece ran okay they were that the side effect profile looked much worse than other vaccines and that the companies had not enrolled the right people in the clinical trials so we didn't really know how protective the vaccines were all right you read that piece well don't read it but you read it if you like you tell me that it is a fair assessment of those two problems the problem isn't that he wanted to hit me it's that he didn't want to write any he didn't want to actually address my real concerns so so what you know it is what it is the nice thing about the book is like the book will stand my twitter account one of the terrible things about what twitter did to me is my account is gone i mean i have it i have the archive and i'm going to put it up at some point i'm hoping to do it soon because i want people to be able to read everything that i wrote how did you archive it uh in the in the weeks leading up to the you can ask twitter you should actually do this you can ask twitter to uh to send you an archive um they'll do it for anybody and people
said to me if you don't do this before they ban you because you know it seemed pretty clear they were going to try to ban me at some point by by you know by august you're going to have a hard time doing this after you're banning so ask for your archive so i did so i have all my tweets but no one else can see them has anyone been reinstated on twitter i don't know that's a good question nobody i don't think anybody uh you know sort of well-known has i haven't heard of anybody um you know they call it you know they so by the way you asked me this before so they it's supposed to be a five-strike policy that's what they instituted in march and they're supposed to tell you they say we'll tell you after each strike what you what you got in trouble for so they never told me i had a first strike you know and again back sort of march through july pre-biden i seem to be able to post uh you know essentially freely without censorship and uh even when they would put a misleading tag on they didn't notify me then they told me what my second strike was the third strike they sent me an email but they didn't say what it was the fourth strike is to me and i mean they're all egregious but the four strike was so egregious the fourth strike i reported this i said pfizer has updated the results of its clinical trial from the the big one the one that got the vaccine approved it shows that there were 15 deaths in the placebo arm i'm sorry 15 deaths in the vaccine arm 14 deaths in the placebo arm there's no benefit on the on this basis to taking the vaccine it doesn't reduce deaths and this is all the data we're ever going to have about this because they blew up their clinical trial which they did they gave the vaccine to everybody in the placebo arm that means you don't have two arms to compare you just have everybody getting the vaccine right they've killed the control they kill correct they kill the control so twitter said that was misleading how could it possibly be misleading it was a completely accurate description of
the clinical trial results that pfizer posted about its own trial okay that was my fourth strike four strike is a week four strike is the last one before you get banned and then a month later they banned me they never notified me uh i still don't i mean i think i know which tweet it was because it must have been the last tweet that they put a misleading tag on what was that one um that one was uh it said i'll read it to you okay but again they don't tell you what was wrong with it they just said it's missing they don't no they didn't right they didn't tell me anything they put this tag on it they don't give me a chance to cure it um they don't they don't yeah they don't say why it's misleading uh the tweet was that's the universal sound when someone's looking for something so sad zero following zero followers and and my final tweet drum roll please here we go it doesn't stop infection or transmission don't think of it as a vaccine think of it at best as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be diagnosed in advance of illness and we want to mandate it insanity and there it is this tweet is misleading learn why health officials recommend a vaccine for most people oh god we're in a movie we are in they live this tweet is misleading learn why health officials recommend a vaccine for most people yeah by the way it doesn't stop infection or transmission can we all agree on that well it's clear now we know that now we know that now and now they're saying it stops death i mean there's uh there's a video of fauci talking to this um uh influencer on instagram it's kind of a hilarious video because she's talking about like hot waxed oh yes yeah and he's saying yes you can do it because you won't catch it and you won't transmit it to your friends and when uh when he says that that's not true no well i mean here's here's the thing right i don't know it's not true now we know that's not now here's my books we've got you know 65
pages of notes but fauci said at the time that's what he did think though it seems to be what he thought this is in may okay in may he said with good vaccination programs uh countries can essentially eliminate the presence of a particular pathogen that's called elimination and the other is control you have a very very low level in the community enough to know you haven't completely eliminated it so he was actually saying he was saying control means you get to a very very low level there's also this thing called elimination and then he said with sars cove 2 and with kova 19 i would hope it would be much closer to elimination than just control that was in may so when these people tell you that they didn't say the vaccines could end the epidemic they are lying they were just wrong now when they initially release the vaccines what kind of a window of efficacy did they envision um did they have data that showed a wane after a certain amount of time no so so what there there's a paper that came out i think it was in april 2021 it's a it's a it's a good paper and it has this chart and it shows so that when you when you the one thing you can't ever do is speed up time right so they were guessing they were guessing at how long the protective effect would last and there's something called the vaccine correlate of protect or the immune correlative protection what they were essentially trying to guess was two different things one was what level of antibodies correlated to vaccine protection so in other words if your antibodies got to i'm just going to make a number a thousand units per you know per milliliter of blood how protected were you compared to if your vaccine if your antibodies only got to 10 units per milliliter of blood so so and we knew some vaccines are better at getting your antibodies to go really high than others okay and the best ones
were the mrna ones okay so they were guessing on how quickly that would decline and on how low once at what point would you be vulnerable again okay but they also had to guess where you're going to get this bnt cell immunity this long-term immunity and they didn't know that either long story short there's a there's a there's a paper that became sort of the seminal paper on this and it suggested that at 95 initial immunity you would have really good protection for at least nine months you'd still be in the i think in the eighty percent plus range after nine months and then assuming that that there was some argument inter among virologists and stuff does it flatten out there does it continue to decline but that would suggest that you probably were going to have pretty good immunity for at least 18 months and when you and when you heard the companies talk they were initially sort of talking about an annual booster and that was you know maybe that was a little bit conservative i think i think that there's no way to look at this other than than it was just a stunning failure that again three things have happened one is the antibodies go down faster than was predicted two is um two is that the virus has mutated in a way against again it's mutated against the antibodies and three is that the vaccines don't produce the same b and t cell immunity that natural infection and recovery does but so this may have come as a surprise again i don't think fauci wanted to be this wrong i don't think you i mean why would you say in may no we can eliminate this eliminate not control eliminate why would you say in may we could eliminate this and three months later three months you're telling people they have to get boosters you said it because you made a mistake the question that i think we should all
ask is did the companies know more okay were the companies looking at their data internally in january and february and march from the clinical trials unpublished data and maybe saying you know what we're seeing that the that the antibodies go away more quickly than we thought and we're seeing some rate of breakthrough infections in these people or were the companies sort of eating their own cooking and they didn't know either and if we had real investigative reporters in the united states this would be a great question just like the question about why pfizer why last year people were saying oh you know what this is going to be for the good of humanity no one's going to make any money off these and this year it turns out these are the most profitable pharmaceutical products ever invented okay nothing in history has made money for the companies like these why why that happened okay maybe we'd ask questions about theirs and how well it's working maybe we'd ask some questions about about the relationships between you know the regulatory agencies and the vaccine makers we don't do any of that what happened why did we lose all of our not all of them you know matt tybee's still out there glenn greenwald's still out there there are independent investigative journalists that still do real good work but it's not nearly as common so look because you can investigate donald trump's ties to russia and do real work on that but god forbid you investigate you know hunter biden's ties to china unfortunately investigative reporting has gotten politically polarized in a way it shouldn't be and there aren't that many people who do this sort of complex pharma reporting there's some and those people have stayed away from this they have just because it's so dangerous it's such a third rail yes i mean i you know i can't go back i can't go i mean if i tried to work for the new york times again i mean i can't even get an op-ed but you know one a year that would never happen now
and i'm very fortunate you know i have this loyal audience and i have 150 000 people who are signed up for substance and a fraction of those people are subscribing enough that i don't really have to worry about money right now i mean it's you know so that's a good thing but but there's only but i'm lucky but you're a sort of persona non grata in these mainstream publications now like the washington post or the new york times i mean they go out there yeah they go out of their way now it's funny there's a here's a funny thing there's there's a few people at those places who i can still talk to now but they're not willing to write anything defending me but they'll still we can still have back channel conversations but somebody somebody emailed me a former reporter actually emailed me a few weeks ago and said do you have a lot of people in the business who are talking to you telling you i think you're right and i told them the truth the answer is no i don't have a lot of hidden or if i do it's so well hidden that no one's coming and telling me here's my hidden support joe my hidden support's in the scientific and medical communities i get so many emails with tips and stuff when you know if i if i write if i put up on my sub stack about a paper that came out or something it's quite likely that somebody tipped me to that and those people the scientists and the doctors there's a lot of them who have a lot of very serious questions but they're afraid to ask them publicly they are afraid they're afraid to discuss it and that's where what it gets wicked's really crazy is people who it's their field of expertise and they don't want to discuss it and i think the only thing that would turn this around is if the attitude of the social media sites changed and they encouraged open discourse on that it would it would have to be some monumental change in the narrative some shift where we
realize oh okay this is what's going on this is clear there's no reason to to deny this any longer and you know i think it would take some very courageous people to step in and try to adjust that because the narrative has shifted so i mean i can't tell you how many times i've read a tweet about someone dying and then some people will jump in and say the vaccines are safe and effective and then i look at that post and it's not even a real human right it's you go to their their thing and it's all just them retweeting things that follow some sort of a democrat uh narrative and you go oh this is probably some someone in russia in a russian troll farm did you see that there's a facebook thing recently they found out that 19 out of 20 of the top christian sites on facebook were run by a russian troll farm no i did not see that or a macedonia i think it was uh yeah some eastern european troll farm yeah they're being this is a giant part of the problem is that these people in these whatever whatever these troll farms are they want us to be at each other's throats and it's very effective and it's happening it's happening constantly and then other people just sort of dive into it because they think it's ideologically significant but don't you think it's more organic than that don't you think it's just that these people are scared it's that too that's what i'm saying it's all the above it's accentuated and it's natural it's organic and it's also it's influenced i mean so you know somebody was saying to me like if you live in texas or you know you live in a rural part of a blue stadium like you've probably been living your life pretty normally for the last 12 months plus you know maybe a red state a red say or or like a you know red part of a blue state right but the people who didn't live their lives normally the molly jong fast of the world these you know these yes these people who stayed in their apartments and triple masked while they're watching tv like they haven't figured out how to stop being afraid
right and and there's and they're just getting angrier and angrier and they seem to be addicted to the fear porn it's um when we came here we came here in may uh of last year uh when that's when i first started thinking that la was falling apart i was like um i just i didn't buy you know it was two two weeks to flatten the curve and then all of a sudden i was like oh they're not gonna let this go no like this is uh and then they wouldn't allow anything to open they were closing down restaurants i was i was having people in uh friends of mine that owned restaurants that you know i was like this is devastating and they were telling me that 70 of these places are going under and they just they they can't stay open it doesn't make sense none of this makes any sense this is so crazy and then they shut down outdoor dining my friend who worked my friend has a brother who works for the state and was in the room when they were making these decisions and he said there's no data to support but listen he said this to the woman who made the decision there's no data to support uh transmission outdoor in outdoor dining she said it's all about optics that was the answer the answer was it's all about optics which is a [ __ ] insanely calloused answer yeah to someone when you're saying something that's going to shut down people's business kill their livelihood the the number of people that have their lives devastated by that one decision by a woman by the way the same woman in los angeles went to eat at a restaurant the day she shut it down well that's the question that you know and you saw this with the san francisco mayor who you know she got caught or you know london breed got caught not wearing wearing a mask and then made this comment about the fun police yeah and so so you do that kind of makes you wonder are they as scared as they're pretending to be and as scared as they want to make everyone else be it's theater it's it's theater but you know look at australia we haven't talked about australia right right we have it it i mean australia is becoming a police
state it's a genuine police state and i don't think there's a way out of that for them i'm really really really concerned about australia because the deaths there are so low the cases are they're not experiencing some hellscape of infections and hospital overruns it's not that's not what's happening no it's not what's happening and they're still this terrified and and you know i mean they there's this weird law that enables the government to you know take over people's internet accounts it's actually yeah i wouldn't have believed this but it's a real thing they have these riot police shooting rubber bullets at people when did i mean australia australia that's a democratic place a democratic society but no guns yeah you know i've stayed i stayed away from saying that on twitter but you shouldn't say it well i can't exactly i mean it really is what it is i mean you can't do that to people when everyone's armed you know you can't do that when no one's armed you can do that and i hate saying that because i don't want to say it like that these people are jack-booted thugs that are taking advantage of the situation to control people i'm not saying that but what i'm saying is it is human nature to change the way your your perceptions of someone if you're in a position where whether you've been bestowed this power by the state or by whatever the [ __ ] it is a higher power if you think you have control and power over other people then you exercise it it is a natural thing the stanford prison experiments show it it's a natural thing that people do when they have power over other people they exert that power i mean and they're the language of of the like austria you know these state premiers in australia is not that different than olbermann no it's very weird that they're they that they're well not only that it's anti-science have you seen the woman who's their their head the medical lady who said that vaccines are better than natural infection and then you just have to get used to getting vaccines and boosters and constant vaccines like there's no science behind what she's
saying no there's and you know are we like so are we going to count deaths from this star are we ever going to have another like season or no you know we count flu deaths every year we count other deaths on an annual basis kovades like it's just like the meter never stops it never resets even people i mean i had a conversation with uh my friend rhonda patrick who's a vaccine i mean she she believes in the vaccine she's a scientist and she's a brilliant woman when we told her that 95 of the people who died from covet had an average of four comorbidities she didn't believe it we had to show her yeah just show her you see you see people go what 95 like 95 have something that's killing them yeah whether it's diabetes or cancer heart disease or obesity or you know there's a whole host of these comorbidities but four and 95 so the vast amount of people who died from covid 95 of them had four other things that were killing them i mean you can give people these things like in canada okay canada not another place losing their [ __ ] losing their minds the average age of death of the median age of a cove patient is 85. okay in denmark which is 6 million people 26 people since this whole thing started under the age of 50 have died 26 out of 6 million but they have a different approach no they're just healthier than we are right but i mean they're the way they're treating it than canada like we can't conflate all those things when you actually understand who's getting sick and dying from this it doesn't make a bit of sense well what it gets to me is when i have these conversations with people when they start talking about it like it's a boogie man when it's gonna get you and then i tell them i've had it i just got it i had it last month right half the country's had it but i mean when you're saying it to me and you haven't had it right and i've had it that's right we're in a weird place man that's right like you're telling me about something as if
i didn't catch it that's right like i got it that's right so then they have to talk about well you know it could mutate yes it could mutate it could mutate because mutated i got the delta it's look and also i'm 54. i'm not young i'm not like no but you're obviously you're obviously healthy like you take care of yourself i've been doing that my whole life and that should count right that should count like when you're pretending that you can lump me into a fat guy with diabetes in the in the same category that's crazy but people want to do that they want to pretend that these 95 percent with four comorbidities are exactly the same as you and you should be scared and stay in your house when i'm like i'm not scared people get so [ __ ] angry it's weird it's weird it's weird and the people who are again this is i talk about this in the book it's crazy the people who are the angriest are the people who for 15 not 15 for 30 years have been saying you know what you use drugs it can cause consequences we will help you you drink too much we will help you you don't take care of your body you eat too much we will help you yes but if you choose not to get vaccinated go to hell well the narrative is that you are not you're not contributing to the greater good of the community the greater good of the community means you get vaccinated but my perception is the greater good of the community is you take care of yourself be healthy and don't be a strain on the health care system let's go all the way back to the data from the uk vaccinated people are being infected just as frequently which means that they are most likely transmitting this just as frequently that's another narrative that's shifted too because initially they were saying that if you are vaccinated and you have a so-called breakthrough case which is very very rare which is not rare at all but when they were saying it was very very rare they were saying that you were ha you're carrying less of the virus that's true that's not true not true that's been proven there's some evidence actually that those people are carrying more of the virus why is that because if you're because it may be that the vaccine confers partial protection on some people so so you get it it's not enough to keep you from having like very
high viral loads but it is enough for so again it's for some people from getting very sick with those viral loads so they're just out and about in the community and be and they also i'm vaccinated i probably just have a cold i don't have cove this was more likely a couple months ago when people people didn't know that's right but they were out there transmitting very high levels of viral load to people yeah um that's wouldn't that be the same with people that have also been uh had a natural infection and then had a second case it just doesn't happen so these really second cases i have a friend who said i mean who's getting sick twice i shouldn't say it doesn't happen it's very very rare natural infection is very protective so again my friend curtis one of his relatives got it three times and he's with confirmed pcr and three times by the way they are super unhealthy super hillbillies he said they drink mountain dew and eat cheetos all day like he said that he goes i can't [ __ ] believe they're still alive that's great did we want to go back and look at that humetrix thing just look at this one thing or no sure sure sure um i mean look unfortunately unfortunately i could do like i know we're three hours in like that's okay so much more to talk about listen man this is what this podcast is all about i mean the reason why i want to have you on first of all i enjoyed having you on the past i think you are grossly misrepresented and because you are a courageous person who's willing to buck the trend of being a propagandist for this this system the way that's running you know this narrative that you can't vary from no matter what and you you you shift the narrat the narrative shifts according to what's what's happening so like it pretends that oh we always knew that you could still get sick that is not true not true not true that is not what was said before i i and yes i mean so i one thing i talk about in the book um let's go ahead jimmy sort of put it up there what was that okay oh this is the ai power dod analysis program named project solus shatters official vaccine narrative shows okay uh antibody dependent enhancement
accelerating in the fully vaccinated with each passing week okay okay this is this website so this is that this is okay so this is your news.com this is a problem this is so here's here's here's the problem that's the real thing though when you delete me when you ban me you get stuff like this this is not correct this is not one second what do you mean it's a real thing well i saw i this is how i first found it because you said you found like some geocities site so i went to try to find it that way yeah so i was like all right well let me google you know project stylus and see what pops up that way that's that's what i meant it's a real thing like project stylus is a real thing oh yes it's a real thing can you go to [ __ ] duckduckgo and stop using google and see if you can find a real go to just type in humetrixalis well so that was in there too i mean i was just was trying to decipher what good because that's how wild things start that way humatrix is the yeah that's the okay so yeah waning effect of covet 19 vaccine okay okay okay so this is the real thing okay what is the same thing okay excuse me this was in that same article yes it's right lied about what this says okay it doesn't say that there's ade ade would be terrible okay it says the the vaccines are failing which is a different thing right failing means they're going back to zero right so go so if you go through okay this is the key and i can i can so what they're saying right now is that the vaccine is 41 protective against infection and 62 percent effective against hospitalization at what and how many months out that's about i believe that's five to six months out oh so that's better than i thought um no i thought they were saying that like six months it's like that's when you should consider getting uh a booster right oh yes eight months they're saying a booster if you go on go through this keep going keep going keep going but that's nothing like 90 or 95 uh okay they said three percent oh go back one slide three percent
breakthrough rate meaning you have a three and one hundred percent chance already of being infected if you're vaccinated pfizer said that over a one year period they believed it was seven percent in other words so but three percent at what time over the first six months basically okay so during the time where the vaccine is at its highest efficacy there's a 2.9 percent cumulative breakthrough rate that's right but you have to be good no no not pretty good no because think about if you're unvaccinated what your risk of getting coveted is in the united states over a six-month period it's certainly no more than ten percent it might be closer to you know it might probably in the ten percent range we'll find that out in a moment we'll google that in a moment okay so 21 hospitalization rate in breakthrough infections uh yes so so okay 21 hospitalization rate again that doesn't say that you're not going to be hospitalized your breakthrough okay okay so go to go to the next slide so do they know from january to today which is the 10-month period do they know what the efficacy is the average efficacy of the vaccine from that 10-month time period because then it wanes even further right well that we don't know we don't know if after six months it continues to go towards zero my strong suspicion is it goes to zero but i do but but i'm not sure so go go on go on this is so this is okay this is the sort of the most important thing um so this is as of late august is the most recent data they had so this is still a month plus out the red the dark red line is the number or the percentage of people or number per hundred thousand so on the left of people who are getting sick after five to six months after being vaccinated versus the number of people who are being getting sick three to four months out that's a big number so it's more than double we're looking at a graph folks and it's more than double the size that's right and what you can see is they're both trending up or close to maybe it's double i don't know it's yeah it's like almost 400 per hundred thousand versus 200 per hundred thousand
so that's in a week though that's over the course of a week so you have about a one in in uh 250 chance of getting infected six months after your vaccination um and that's in people's 65 and older next if you go to the next one and then this is the question is you have to go back to that absolutely sorry you have to think this is how many people have gotten infected based on what it would be like if you were vaccinated five to six months versus what would it be like three to four months but what it doesn't show is unvaccinated so the problem so that the question would be how close is that red line to unvaccinated so they do have if you go to the next slide you'll see that they they try to provide an answer to that okay okay so this is oh no sorry not this one next one uh nope next one it's in here uh nope justifies the first madonna breakthrough keep going we'll we'll find it uh oh back one okay um no i know they have this though i know they give this to us uh i mean what i hope by the way you're seeing in all of this oh here we go okay okay so this this is a complicated chart but what they're trying to do is they're they're they're guessing in the broadest sense how many people would get infected at various levels of vaccine protection okay so if the vaccine is 100 in fact effective if it stops every infection then you will have zero percent of people getting sick after vaccination against whatever percentage of the potential and that's the blue line exactly it stays flat nobody ever gets infected whether 100 of people are vaccinated or 80 or whatever okay now you go to the the other case if vaccine effectiveness is zero then the percentage of people who get sick exactly matches the percentage of people who are vaccinated so if 50 of people are vaccinated then 50 of the people get sick are vaccinated so
they're comparing and then you and then between 0 and 100 the they you can calculate what the percentage of vaccinated people getting sick will be so they tested they checked that against the fact that they know that 80 percent of their people in their group which is basically people over 65 are fully vaccinated so if 80 percent of people were fully vaccinated and the vaccine were 90 percent effective you'd still have some cases of people getting sick after vaccination but it'd be like 20 percent instead what you're seeing is that 71 of people who got sick were fully vaccinated and sixty percent of people this in the united states okay where we quote unquote have a pandemic of the vaccinated their own data say this is again this is from a huge group it's more than five million people i think it's dod like you know it's like retirees military retirees 60 of people in this group who were hospitalized with covid were vaccinated not one percent not two percent 60 and what they're saying to you is that that still shows some level of vaccine protection because you would expect if vaccines were totally useless you'd get to 80 being in the hospital instead you have 60 percent in the hospital so they're saying well the vaccine looks like it still does some good but is that what fauci has told you is that what willenski has told you is that what bionics told you they didn't tell you that 60 of people in the united states right now are hospitalized so i have are vaccinated so essentially they're not being honest as the data changes that's correct so the data initially was very promising it looked pretty good look great yeah as it did in israel yes but as the data has changed then they're not being honest and then they're shifting the narrative to this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated and yet you need a booster yeah why do you need a booster if the vaccine works why are you where does this all go alex have you have you sat down and tried to figure this out i mean you're you're a guy who's
you've paid the price for your your reporting and your honesty on this and where does this go i don't know i i used to there's not never been a time where you could report on something honestly that is a public health concern and because of that you would be ostracized you'd be kicked out of this the town square which is what twitter really is and you know i'm sure you probably agree with me that it should be regulated in some way where it could or it should be completely unregulated well i mean regulated in some way that you you treat it like a utility where it's a basic human right to be able to express yourself i i think i think that's i mean other than doxing people threatening people that kind of stuff i think you should have the right to express yourself yeah and this is coming from someone who gets insulted on twitter every day yeah i don't want anybody silenced i just i don't read it but but i feel like you should be able to express yourself i feel like it's no different than talking at this point it's a part of being a human being the way people talk on twitter is very similar to the way people talk amongst friends when no one's listening it's it's very sick there's a weird thing that's happening where we're accepting the idea of silencing people from expressing their self in a way that is arguably one of the most important methods of of expression that's ever existed this is one of the most amazing creations an accidental creation by the way right yes yes much like this podcast when when when they started doing that they had no idea it was going to become what it is yes they thought it was going to be a thing where you like going at alex berenstein is going to the movies right right no it's true that's what it used to be used as it's true at joe rogan is going to eat pizza that's what they would say no it's become the most arguably the most important journalistic medium of all people used to use it in the third term people forgot how it was used but that's how it was used some of the early tweets like it would be at jamie vernon is taking a nap
do you remember that yeah see if you can find it it was created because there was no group texting back then and is that that was the easiest way to tell everyone one thing at once right but it was used in a way that is not normal it's not a normal method of of uh interacting the third person method yeah i see what you're saying you're saying the actual like speech obviously interesting yeah see if you can find out like started because people started typing whatever word and then they started making them clickable and searchable oh that's interesting they added that did you know that the natural immunity has been banned from instagram you cannot use it if you use the hashtag natural immunity you'll be redirected to the cdc's website i mean one of the great things did you know that i did not know that it's stunning it's i would show you but actually instagram faced every if they're all down right now they've been down yeah all day oh really yeah everyone's not getting out i wonder what happened they don't they don't know that actually it's been deleted so it's gonna could cause an issue russians maybe the chinese that's it for the other whole another show it's an attack it's an attack no um that is another show one of the great disappointments to me is that i thought twitter was better than facebook i i thought that twitter actually had a commitment to free speech in part because they they told me they had a commitment i think jack does i really do believe you know him yes i do know him i like him a lot i really do because i've heard this from someone else he's a brilliant guy i think i like him a lot i really enjoy communicating with him i really enjoy the way he thinks i don't know how much his hands are tied but i know he has advocated for a completely wild west version of twitter and then a moderated version of twitter and he gets a lot of pushback from it internally i don't know how much power he really has i mean somebody said and again i don't know if this is true maybe if we you know if this lawsuit gets filed we'll get to depose him or that he was on my side i bet he is um i bet he
he's definitely on the side his company man is it anymore do you know how big that goddamn monster is that that [ __ ] machine it's true it's so big and who is pulling the string what is it the trust and safety what is that what is that i i don't no no i don't know what that is you know they have like some they they now have a thing where you can report things yeah to this uh they like encouraged users to report stuff but yeah they've they i mean it has it's again as i've been preparing for this potential legal action i've gone back and sort of looked at how their policies have changed and how they're like and they've at each step they become more controlling so for you know for a while you could say whatever you wanted then it was you know you could say that mass don't work but as long as you don't tell people to violate sort of local laws against masks okay like i i don't i'm with you i'm a basically a free speech ad you know absolutist unless it's like you know again stuff again sometimes yeah yeah but like but but i get that twitter doesn't want the service if they feel like they don't want to be used to encourage people to break the law right but then they tighten the restrictions again where it was just if you're presenting factual information and saying as a fact mass don't work which i said many times on their website you can get in trouble for that now one of the things if the lawsuit was forwarded then i would like them to answer is why was i able to say that for so many months but suddenly when you know sake and biden and uh you know vivek murthy told them they needed to do something different they did it so where are you at like what do you do now so well i so i just finished pandemia right and it's going to be available when it will be available november 30th um uh i've got to record the audiobook but ragnary which is a conservative publisher because my old publishers i mean i'm i'm actually really happy to have ragnary because they've been 100 in my corner um in a way that you know a
mainstream publisher might not be at this point uh but you know my old publisher simon schuster and my previous publisher to that uh random house and putnam they would not publish me i would not publish this book did they discuss it with you yes uh so so there were several uh and you know some of these places have conservative imprints um those imprints and this is before the vaccines this was just about masks last year um those conservative imprints a couple of them came to me and said we would like to publish a book so you know that's great you get a couple of publishers you get an auction set up to see what you know you really see what the book's going to sell for great days before the auction was going to begin the mainstream houses all walked away um uh i guess one did not walk away but the mainstream houses walked away and so ragnary got this book at a pretty good price did they get did was there any discussion did they get pressure from someone yes they they the the editors told me they had pressure from senior people and i actually seen your people at the publishing house yes and i actually went to john carp who's the head of simon schuster who i've known for almost 20 years who published my very first book so he knows what and he published and he published tell your children he published both my non-fiction books before this and i said john you got to let me write this book i mean this is this is important and even if i'm wrong you have to have other views and he said no i think it could be dangerous and i'm not going to do it dangerous dangerous was the word this is before vaccines people love to say that they've been saying that dangerous misinformation dangerous that's interesting because masks are so i mean how you can say with a straight face masks telling people not to wear mess is dangerous when the whole country's been wearing them for the last 18 months and it's made zero difference in the course of this epidemic so you don't think that masks confer any protection not surgical or cloth ones they are useless really useless
like they don't keep certain amount of spittle from coming out of your mouth and getting onto other people sure and if you're sick and coughing you should wear a mask if you're outside but but the virus is not transmitted through particles of that size it's transmitted through small particles much smaller this so it's just tremendous so but i mean doesn't it block any of the small particles when you're using those masks some some but not so better than nothing though is it really better than nothing it's not clear because people still get infected in other words in other words if the if the and i'm making up a number if the minimum dose of infection is a is 10 000 viral particles okay and i is an infected person and breathing out a million viral particles per breath and the vaccine or the say the mask keeps 20 of those particles in i'm at 800 000 and it still only takes 10 000 to infect you so you're going to get sick whether i'm wearing the mask or not but if it protects if like maybe there's like a a fence like an edge where it protects on the margins there's a theoretical case to be made there but if that theoretical case gets distributed over a population of 350 million people that we have you get a lot of dirty masks thrown in parking lots well you also get a lot of people that don't get infected that maybe would have no no no you don't think so no here's what i will tell you with certainty okay and vaccines are no you know back in march or april or may if you were new zealand and you'd kept your population covet free you could say we won how do we win we have an effective vaccine there will be people in new zealand who will never get covered we win not for a month or a year yeah we went through that but we won permanently the vaccines don't work okay they certainly don't work to stop infection or transmission what that means is that everyone every human being on this planet is going to be exposed to covet if they haven't already been
whether you wear a mask or not whether you're locked down or not new zealand australia they can't keep it out and the only way they're going to keep they have even a prayer of keeping that and who knows what the chinese are doing okay the chinese are who knows what are they doing what do you mean well they claim you know they've kind of stopped covet permanently you don't think so did do you find the chinese very trustworthy right i'm starting to use their phones buy my phone straight from china so every human being on the planet is going to be exposed right you can get it early you can get it now you can get it in a month doesn't matter if you wear masks it's all theater the lockdowns are theater the master theater and unfortunately it turns out the vaccines are theater too you know what works being healthy and it looks like the antibodies work it looks like this new merc drug i don't think it's fair to say the vaccines or theater if they work initially why because they do months but they do work for that period of time and they protect people right okay fair enough fair fair enough i mean that's a this is i think this is a like legitimate philosophical question and they do protect people from more serious illness even if they allow you to get infected that's pretty much been proven right i would say especially in the efficacy range yes within that window right of a few months that's true the problem is something has to be done once that window's been established and people are safe then maybe it's the merck drug or whether they do tests and prove that it's hyvermectin or something else so i guess there's a pfizer drug as well correct yes there's a physiotherapist and there's a lot of other people testing what is the pfizer drug is it a similar type of protease inhibitor i believe that's correct it also is with replication right um but so i mean i think this is a legit question joe if i guess you'd rather get coveted next year than this year because there's more treatments out there so if the vaccines are just
delaying uh you know even if they don't work forever if they delay for six months or a year is it worth the aggravation to get people vaccinated well there is a uh a friend of a friend who um is an older person who just got coveted very recently and uh they were fully vaccinated and they were very sick and they got the monoclonal antibodies and within 24 hours they started feeling much better 36 hours later they they felt really good there you go so okay you want to say well if that person had gotten covid a year plus ago uh he or she might have died yeah it wouldn't be available that's right there wouldn't be a vaccine and there wouldn't also be the monoclonal antibiotics and also an understanding of what to do and not to do like not put people on ventilators so so so the argument okay delaying is a good thing and the vaccines are delaying let's go with that yes but here's i'm going to tell you the vaccines are not risk-free i don't mean that i don't talk about cost or anything i'm talking about this ade which we haven't talked about at all anybody i mean we've talked about it briefly anybody who tells you that they know what the real risk that ade might occur in a few months or a year or five years is lying i'm not saying it's a high risk it could be a very low risk but we don't know what the risk really is and when you say we don't know what the risk really is um when viruses gener in general when they mutate do don't they tend to become less virulent yes but more contagious yes that's that's because that that's actually good for the virus yes the virus doesn't kill the host it spreads to more people that's right but the virus isn't making that decision it's just doing something that makes it more contagious right vaccines change that equation and they change it in ways we don't necessarily understand well alex i'm glad you came in here and um it it saddens me that you've been censored i don't like it i don't like this time we're living in i don't like the polarization i don't like this tribal [ __ ] that's
going on and i think it it interrupts the the conversation and it it stops rational discourse it's terrible it's terrible it's terrible for all of us thank you pandemia they cannot censor it it will be out i hope you read it you are you are acknowledged in it thank you i'm going to read it it's going to sell like hot cakes it's going to sell like hot cakes i guarantee you because this kind of information is difficult to come by and there's a lot of people vaccinated and unvaccinated they want to know what the [ __ ] is actually going on and there's not enough people that are telling the truth you're getting these watered-down narratives that are filled with propaganda and no one knows what to do there's a lot of scared people again both vaccinated and unvaccinated and i'll just leave you i know we got to go it's been false for us crazy when you censor people like me you drive people to these conspiracies yes you do you do that's why i was worried about yournews.com yeah that's right no joke man but serious people will talk about this population oh yeah no that's what i'm saying a doctor was talking to me about that and i was like yeah i was like i gotta get the [ __ ] out of here no right yeah they start talking crazy and then they start bringing up stories about billionaires that met at some summit in the early 2000s and talked about having to reduce the population of the world you're like wait wait what do you anyway what are you saying right are you saying they're gonna kill everybody that's like yeah okay all right thank you sir i appreciate you very much man thanks for your brave man you really are dude i does not feel that way i'm sure people say it to you too it just feels like i'm doing what i want to do and trying to tell the truth yeah i think you're doing what you think is correct which is discussing things that are uncomfortable for folks and things that uh apparently are true i mean you're you're only reading studies that are published by serious institutions this is not this is not 800 800 footnotes in that book and not one of them is from yournews.com i hope you get reinstated i really do i think you are val a valuable voice on twitter
tell your buddy jack uh he's not gonna list him maybe he'll avoid being sued i don't know if he's got like i said it's an uncomfortable conversation i don't know how much control he has all right yeah he's you know i guess he's got 10 billion dollars he does what he wants i don't know what he does man i don't know what he does all right sure but i really do hope you get back on are you on other platforms uh just the sub stack oh i have an instagram now that i just basically used to repost my sub stack oh okay eventually they're going to get smart and cancel me there no i hope not let's what they the stack though the stack cannot go away okay that that will be bad so substance so get to you on substance yes all right thanks jess thank you bye everybody [Applause] [Music] you