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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day all right Hello Alex hello good to see you again man yeah good to see you what's happening how you doing I'm I'm just living I'm doing the same stuff as always crawling giant [ __ ] that freaks people out yep yep that's that's what I'm trying to do what is the the latest what have you been up to I know you're doing a podast now right yeah I know I know do you feel a certain satisfaction yeah I don't know if you remember but you went off for like quite a long time being like you do a podcast you do a podcast and sure enough it's like yeah I did a podcast well I mean you have an interesting perspective and you have a fascinating life you know yeah they actually um we don't really get into it that much I don't I don't actually talk about myself very much it's um it was sort of leading up to the Olympics I don't you know climbing's in the Olympics this year no I did not yeah so climbing's in the Olympics for the first time this summer and so the podcast was supposed to be sort of a primary leading up to the Olympics more as like a like here is the state of the sport leading up to this singular moment in climbing but um but then the Olympics got canceled last summer well pushed and so then we decided to sort of go a little deeper in backstory stuff and that's the first season is basically premiered right now so you did you record them all in advance uh no it's it's ongoing we've done uh we've done 10 of them and and now we're going to do the ones leading up to the Olympics like over the next you know four months or whatever so we've got kind of a structure planned out though yeah yeah the idea is that we wanted to well I mean you know as you can imagine climbing is a very broad sport you know starting from sort of classical alpinism in the Alps and and like mountain climbing now to Olympic climbing where the people who win the Olympics this summer most of them are super young and they're they're basically like Gym Kids sort of like gymnasts who just train indoors Non-Stop and so the podcast is sort of an exploration of this spectrum of full adventure to full athleticism and like where climbing has moved in between you see what I'm saying like
it's um I don't know because you know when I grew up as a like I was one of the first climbers in America to sort of grow up climbing in a Climbing gym and so that's part of the reason I wound up as a professional climber is I sort of had access to better training facilities than like the generation before me and now we're looking at the Next Generation who's going to the Olympics and it's like even more of that athletic background and it's like you know it changes the sport and so a big part of the the podcast that we started was basically to to see how it changes the sport and and try to you know save some of the best stories of climbing you know what I mean like preserve some of that adventure oh that's great what is what are the events in the Olympics like how how is it measured it's a it's a combined format so in the World Cup circuit for climbing like there they're already established climbing competitions in the world and normally they do three different uh Styles you know speed climbing difficulty and bouldering so difficulty and bouldering are basically just like how high you can climb up a wall before you fall off uh difficulties with a rope and bouldering is without a rope you know you but smaller walls and then speed climbing is naturally just how fast you can climb climb a set course so the first one is how high you can climb before you fall off yeah yeah basically so you're climbing with a rope and you're climbing say a 15 meter say up to like a 50ft wall and the they set a very very difficult course and then everybody basically Falls as they get higher really because it just gets to a point where no one can complet it you get pumped out of your gourd yeah yeah ideally if if Setters have done the good job then it means that the world champion whoever wins will wind up making it to the top and everybody else will fall progressively lower and the world champion if he does make it to the top clearly someone else is going to come along that's maybe a little bit better than him in the future yeah and they're going to make it more difficult exactly they set different they set different rootes for every competition okay and who how does a route get established does it get established by someone like yourself who understands
the difficulty levels how does it yeah so they're professional root setters do that and so they're sort of internationally certified for competitions and and there's a whole there's a whole art to the root setting and that's a big part of what we explore in this podcast leading up to the Olympics is like you know who are the international organizing committees that choose these people and like who makes the route and like are the roots fair you know it's things like that I mean the roots are they try to be fair but it's interesting because in a given competition the root Setters are aware of who the competitors are going to be so like if one of the women is much taller than the rest they kind of have to bear that in mind a little bit to keep the roots like kind of fair oh they do I mean kind at least try you know or if they know that most of the you can kind of always guess who's going to make it into finals let's say say like the top six climbers top eight climbers in the world you have like a rough sense of who's going to make finals and then I think the setter try to differentiate the finalist in some way you know like basically find things that that uh separate their strengths and weaknesses is it possible that if everyone made it to the top that they would just go on based on how much time it takes you to get to the top like what would they do then yeah um sometimes they do like a superfinal I'm actually not sure what the format is for the Olympics but they normally do some kind of superfinal thing where they make a harder route or they change it in some way and then eventually they they count back on time or they also count back to semis and qualifiers um like whoever got higher on the previous rounds of the competition you know they look back at your cumulative points basically um there's no drug testing in regular no no there is there is oh not yeah in the Olympics of course and in the World Cup circuit there is cuz actually there are a few very uh sort of famous stories of of some of the best climbers in the world having World Cups taken away for testing positive for weed and stuff really weed well but uh but just but climbers who like don't even care you know they just enter the competitive like I don't know tell St
about this out here totally like classic Chris armore he was like the most famous and and best climber in the world for a whole generation basically and he sort of won a World Cup by by fluke you know he just entered and he won he was like yeah because he's the best climber in the world but then but then I think they took it away for weed and he's like well yeah of course you know it's so dumb yeah but I mean not like he cares cuz he's like you know he's the best in the world it's like they take yeah exactly yeah once you win you win this is I mean it's not like he's taking steroids well in uh a couple Spanish competitors had had like a metal taken away for uh testing positive for cocaine I think I mean he he had some kind of statement about the uh using it to relieve the stress of the heavy training volume all that kind of stuff you know basically like oh it's just partying on the side and you're yeah obviously it's not performance enhancing you know it's like that's recreational like on the side of his training I wonder what would be performance-enhancing other than like anabolic steroids like what would be performance enhancing for climbing would it be something that makes you hyperfocused like a riddle in or something like that or I I honestly am not sure um I mean if there were drugs that vastly improved your recovery that probably would be performance enhancing because it would allow you to train at a higher volume right but but even anabolic steroids I'm not sure if they actually help for climbing because it's so much about strength to weight ratio and then and I've heard that um and I don't know if this is true but um that some steroid use affects tendons and ligaments like you wind up with like damage to connective tissue what it does generally at least it's I'm not really an expert but what it's been explained to me is the muscle tissue gets too strong for the tendons and the Li and so the idea is that you um you're growing muscle at a ridiculous rate because you're taking steroids but generally it's guys who are like powerlifters and bodybuilders I don't think that would apply to climbers because you're not putting on massive amounts of muscle so the idea is that you're pushing heavier and heavier weights because your muscles is growing at this extraordinary rate
but that your tendons totally don't so that same principle though is actually a very common problem for beginner climbers is like if you're an 18-year-old man who gets into climbing in the gym it's really easy to get stronger biceps but the connective tissue like the tendons in your in your forearms like basically the tendons that control your fingers that go down your forearm attaching your elbow it takes a very long time for for those tendons to get stronger so it's really easy for your muscle to get stronger and then basically pull your tendons off so it's um it's actually pretty common for for sort of beginner climbers to sort of outpace their development you know and then injure thems in different ways how do you hold someone back like I know you're not like really training climbers but if you were how would you hold a young person back would you put them on is there like an established training protocol for beginners there um yeah depends but yeah there are some now I mean if you were really serious about like I'm young but I want to be elite like you would probably do sort of a regimented finger uh training cycle as you go like finger board yeah exactly you'd be progressively loading your fingers in sort of a systematic way and trying to make sure that you don't exceed you know a certain rate is are there programs like that where a young climber can find online yeah there are there there's several I mean that's an interesting thing about climbing going to the Olympics is like the sport is is is changing you know there's more knowledge there's more coaching available there's more information about it there are a lot of different training protocols there different yeah I mean there's way more information now than there was say when I started 25 years ago yeah people watch videos like my friend Whitney Cummings is dating a um a guy who's in climbing and he's a climber and he was she had on her Instagram today she was making fun of him she that he's watching videos of girls climbing she's like should I be concerned about this like what's going on here like in these you know climbing sort of competitions she's it's so people are watching technique they're watching like what's what did this person do wrong and trying to gather information and learn
from it I guess yeah well and I think and more and more they're just watching the competitions just to see who wins you know the same way that people watch other sports they're just like oh who's the best climber in the world I mean that's going to be the the appeal of the Olympics it's going to show you know the best climber in the world and know I I guess also you're really into climbing you just want to watch people do it too right yeah you want to see greatness totally like yes see Master anything else like people like watching people play chess well that might be a little more boring that's pretty slow but the people who love chess like watching people play chess maybe but I think that there's a dynamicism like a movement to it it'd be like watching ballet or something where you're like this is incredible movement right you know it's like well I like watching play I like watching people play pool and people have often said like why are you doing that like when you but to me it's like I like watching it it's like I play pool so when I watch pool I kind of like I think the same thing would hold with climbing it's you like climbing so you're watching people climb and as someone who's really good specifically too would probably be inspiring right yeah though I think that that climbing might have a more Elemental appeal than something like pool let's say because anybody can appreciate the athleticism and the movement and the grace and and sort of the the way in which people climb but with pool if you don't know the rules you'd be like why is that guy like why does he just put the ball in the hle it's so much easier you know like why is he using that pointy stick that's stupid right right I mean and with chess like if you don't understand yeah if you don't know the rules of chest you just like knock them all off the board and walk away you know you're like dude yeah that's true climbing is very Universal like it's it's it's like it's got a primal appeal totally yeah I mean you know I mean we were once AR Boreal you know it's like that is exactly that's where we came from yeah I had a friend of mine um had a squirrel expert on his podcast my friend Steve Rella and this uh squirrel expert was talking about these squirrels climbing and they um apparently squirrels only
the females only coming to estris for like six hours a year it's like a very maybe maybe multiple times a year maybe once or twice a year but the period the window is very small where you can breed with them so there's the competition is very fierce and a lot of times males will throw other males out of trees so squirrels can fall like 70 80 feet and just bounce off the ground with no damage H yeah so so funny you mentioned that so I actually once walked up to a cliff like a huge overhanging wall like this giant like imagine like an overhanging like leaning it's almost like a Amphitheater like a huge thing it's a local sport cagon sack and I walked up we were the only people at the wall and we looked up and there was a squirrel attempting to surmount the cliff which you know you see squirrels run up and down trees and and you know vertical Cliffs sometimes but not like massively overhanging ones and these are like big uh uh Basalt blocks like big overheating things basically there was no way the squirrel was going to make it it had like more than 100 feet to go and we just stood there transfixed being like that squirrel is going to die for sure like there's no chance it's going to make it up this cliff and it was like skittering you know it's like holding on to these blocks and like its feet are all it's like trying its best it made it about 20 ft further and then it fell and we were like oh the squirrel fell off the cliff and then uh sure enough it stuck this like there's one tree growing at the base of the cliff and with like this one little limb sticking out and the squirrel fell probably 25 30 feet and then hit like one little twig and basically landed on it and ran into the tree and it was like total I mean basically like kind of hit it you know as the tree bends the squirrel just like skits away and like made it into the tree and stuck The Landing wow we were like that was incredible but like we're just standing there like did anybody see that it's like anytime you have nature experiences where you see animals basically fall you know basically when you see animals struggle in their their natural habitat you're like that's cool right especially something completely rare like watching a squirrel fall Cliff toally totally like I watched a big horn fall down at Talis field once like uh
you know and we were actually admiring the Big Horns like oh they're moving so great cuz we were having a really hard time getting up this this big mountain side it's like really big challenging Boulders and we're like this is so difficult and then we're like look those big horns they're So Graceful and then one of them fell down and just tumbled down the rocks and we're like oh like even the Big Horns have our DB there's a gnarly series of photographs of this guy I took of a mountain Li encounter with a big horn and they both wound up dead on the highway but they both the mountain line yeah the mountain line attacked the big horn and they both went off the side of the cliff and landed on the highway see you can find that cuz it's fairly famous uh series of photographs it's so intense that like kind of makes you sad though like sad for the Big Horn sad for the mountain line sad for the driver who's like holy [ __ ] it's like to large animals fall out of the sky yeah that's it that's it so they're both like leveled on the side of the highway and there's quite a few photos like that the blood coming out of the horn is where his horn came off jeez so his horn came off from the impact and you see it there Big Horns don't lose their horns like like a deer does and then Mountain line dead too yeah it's kind of a small Mountain line he's got in his mouth a fur from the Big Horn yeah yeah is that wild that is oh that's so gnarly bones poking out I mean that is a [ __ ] giant fall do it say where I think it's in California no no Utah Montana okay jeez wow fighting on the mountain fell to their immediate death jeez man that's wild that is also well well done Googling that so quickly yeah it's a fairly famous series of photographs because it just shows you how difficult life is for those animals I'm like now do we take a moment of sounds for that poor M them poor big one like oh that's it's like that's kind of dark yeah a friend of mine had an my friend Josh had an encounter with a mountain lion just two days ago he was on a ranch in Northern California and he saw these deer just squirt like take off they just hauled ass out of there and he was a 100 yards away from what he described as a 200 lb Mountain line he say the biggest
mountain line he's ever seen in his life has he seen many cuz I've never seen one I've seen tracks everywhere I've seen like you know I've been around Mountain lines a ton and never seen one yeah I've seen two but the ones I saw were small I saw one that looked like like it was in the it was pretty far away it was like small dog size not small dog size like you know 50 60 lbs and the second one was basically the same size the second one though one of them I saw in the mountains of Colorado and the second one I saw was in Santa Barbara and it was on the street like full Suburbia yeah full Suburbia that's the funny thing about Mountain lines yeah yeah they dig eat dogs it's funny just the other day I was like hiking up a a mountain and we passed some big horns and then like strolling uphill and there were we followed cat tracks for probably half a mile up wow and like big fresh in the snow you know cat tracks like obviously their Mountain lines around but I've never seen one like probably because they're always right behind me they're always looking at you this gu is crazy I was going to I was going to eat that dude but I was I wanted to watch him climb yeah yeah I wish I wish how often are you uh doing these free solo climbs uh you know I'm I'm working on things yeah like fairly frequently I don't know I was just on this Expedition uh in the jungle in Guyana it was like a National Geographic TV show thing and uh and I freeold of the wall we put up just just because the type of rock we were on no one's ever sold it a wall like that before so I felt like since we were there I was felt almost an obligation to it just for like this climbing history you know you're like oh if you're there and you have the opportunity you kind of have to now when you see something like that do you make a route first with ropes always yeah yeah so our I mean because we were there I mean it's a whole like complicated natur graphic TV thing so we were there with a biologist we're like studying these endemic species of the toois there's like this whole interesting Natural History component to it um or sort of biology component but um but we were just trying to climb this mountain that had never been climbed before so the priority is obviously just to get up it to like find these species of frogs to like do all
the things that are important for the TV show but then but then because I was there I was like oh you know on the side I can at least do something that I'm proud of and climbing that's also pretty cool oh wow that's pretty cool yeah so it's like this like pretty and it wound up being totally insane climbing like really cool like this overhanging wall 6 700 feet high um you know like dangling it's it was kind of the best style of of climbing to solo because it uh felt secure like it's the type of climbing where you feel safe like it's very very good rock so anything you hold on to you know and it's not going to break and it also lends itself to these sort of striations in the rock where you can like wedge your hand in and like feel really secure but also it's incredible exposure because it's really steep like because you're in the jungle you can only climb stuff that's overhanging because anything that's like less anything else accumulates like water and dirt and winds up with plants all over it so like the only stuff that's really climbable is the stuff that is sheltered from the rain so that doesn't have plants on it so so it's difficult just by Nature yeah so it's difficult because you're hanging and so you're like in these czy positions where you're dangling from your arms but you feel safe doing it because the Rock's so good and the holds are so good and you're just like what a crazy place it's it's really cool but then when you get to the the very edge you have to somehow make your way and that's a bummer yeah that seems like the most gnarly part of it is it it actually probably in terms of risk it probably was the final 20 or 30 feet of like getting onto the top it's all like rotten soil and loose rocks and like you know yeah it wasn't ideal but how do you decide which way to go when you get to something like that just what's the most likely path to success yeah well so in that particular case um we had already established the route you know like because of this TV thing we'd already climbed it we'd put ropes up it we'd like worked on it the camera guys had gone up and down we'd like camped up on this ledge to look for these frogs uh we'd like done this whole experience so for the free solo I already had a pretty good sense of like how I should tackle
that part because you know we'd already been sort of living up there a bit but wow yeah but I'm like what do you do in February you know that like that was my February so these frogs like the the idea is to is it really an excuse to climb or is it like do you really are you really there for the frogs to check out these weird species it's a little bit of both yeah well I'm like I know this is a long form show do you want to like go deep into it cuz CU it's actually really interesting so um all right long form so so okay the trip was the trip is crazy I mean we just talk about the whole time uh I've read freaking eight books while we were there cuz it's the jungle and you know it's the Tropic so it's dark from 6:00 to 6 every day it's like 12 hours of dark and uh we're in our own little hammock so I was just in my cocoon like reading books every day and so um like a headlamp Yeah Yeah by headlamp um because you have nothing else to do it's like raining and you're just in your own little like personal cocoon just like reading but um so I read like natural history of Guyana Natural History like you know sort of the the the geology so um like have you seen the the movie up like the pi Disney movie The cute thing with the Flying House and the balloons yeah so you know that's all modeled on like where they fly to the big rock things with the waterfalls those are toies which are like real things in South America um that's in Venezuela Guyana in the northern part of Brazil or if you've seen the new Point Break they filmed down there on the same Rock features I didn't see that but so you're not missing anything it's really bad but uh but a lot of my friends worked on it so it's it's like it's cool and it is like an incredible climbing place out of respect for Patrick sesy I just yeah exactly yeah you you didn't miss anything I actually fell asleep watching it on a plane it's like when you fall asleep during an action movie you're kind of like come on yeah know but um but the climbing end it's cool and it and anyway so it's on these things called the poies which are like these big quic Sandstone walls that stick out of the Jungle and so if you imagine a huge raised area of land that because it's in
the jungle has been massively eroded by the constant rain over the last 40 million years so now you wind up with all these like Slender sort of towers and Mesa you know so like do you know Angel Falls like no it's one of the biggest waterfalls in the world here like pull up a picture Angel Falls is is a it's like oh yeah yeah there we dude that's a that's Ry that's you know that's what weing next to God that's so beautiful so if if you could it looks fake yeah it does look fake isn't it crazy I'm pretty sure that one is a Rhyman if you look to the left of the one you were just on that we climbed this little wall to the left of it can you go back to that one Jamie cuz like if I was a dumm yeah so so that pict think someone built that totally so if you could pan that photo to the left though obviously you can't because it's not in the frame we climb this little mountain to the left and so this is a really famous Peak because the summit of it marks the boundary between Brazil Venezuela and Guyana it's used as like the marker to separate those three countries and so we were climbing this sort of little bastard step brother next to it but with you know that Peak though had never been climbed and was like new to science for the the different species of frogs and all that kind of stuff if you're an Explorer and you've stumbled upon that you would think that that was like a structure yeah it's so square and flat on the top and some and some of them did like European explorers that first came into the region had all kinds of names like the white Cathedral and things like that like that Tower um they're just a bunch of wow look at that one click on the one of your cursors on Jamie that's so oh actually so again so actually you see on the left side of that there's like a hint of a little thing in the distance that I'm pretty sure that's the thing we were climbing the thing to the left that's like just starting to appear out of the clouds yeah I'm pretty sure that's the peak that we climbed God it's so beautiful yeah yeah it's crazy except to be fair the Sun only comes out like so we were there in the dry season and it rained like 8 hours a day and we were in the clouds non-stop it was totally grim and that's the dry season yeah and so you see these pictures where you're like
it's so beautiful and you're like yeah for 30 minutes a day you know and the rest of the time you're just in the in the water yeah getting work that's so wild man like really if I stumbled upon that I would think someone built that yeah no it's it's totally incredible what is the GE I didn't even get to the cool part of this oh was so yeah you're asking about the geology yeah like how does something like that form it's so strange yeah so that's the stuff I was reading while we were there so it's like this huge bed of sandstone which then gets metamorphosed like compressed into Quartzsite so like really really hard sandstone and then you know the Andes so you have gondwana like one of the mega continents that predates Pangia I think really like yeah so like you know you imagine all the continents on earth were once sort of combined so South America and Africa you know fit together at the the horn um and so this rock is most similar to rock in parts of Africa actually and so and part of what makes the the biology there so interesting is that the creatures on the summit of some of the Tois are more closely related to creatures in Africa than they are to the ones in the jungle below them because because the Summits have been separated for so long you see what I'm saying like because the top of that those islands basically they've been separated from the jungle below for so long that they more closely resemble where they came from in Africa than than the creatures that live in the rain Forest below it's like this totally incredible you know I mean it's just it's just an interesting part of Earth are you aware of the do you know what thech civilization was no thech Civ it's really it's a quite a mystery they don't exactly know what they did or you know what what their culture was all about but they had these heads that they left Behind These sculpted gigantic Stone heads that resemble resemble African people that's not the Easter and stuff or no no that's different that's different this is thex oh wow where and where were the in South America oh yeah says South America Mexico Central America and there's a lot of them and these images are very um African looking faces and they don't really know what the history of them were huh and they know they they they think some of them
existed in the neighborhood of 6,000 years ago but you know when when you're when you're looking at Stone it's hard because they they just they carbonate the stuff that's around the stone as they unearth it but it doesn't really necessarily give them an accurate sense of when it was constructed it just gives an accurate sense of how the sediment of where cover totally the stuff the stuff in Guana though is um on totally different scale like the the stuff that I'm talking about the I think the toois have been uh eroded away like isolated for 40 million years or something which you know far predates humans and then I think the rock itself is like 1.5 billion years old it's like Ancient Ancient it's incredible Rock it's really cool it's just so wild the way it formed the the the look yeah it's funny because I mean you saw the pictures it looks like islands and you know early explorers thought that they must be Islands or something but it's actually uh just the eroded remnants of what was once like a giant you know elevated Plateau oh yeah totally so this is what the Summits look like I have a bunch of photos like that on my phone is like scrappy little iPhone piics of like here we are on this crazy you know because you're like in the clouds you're in the Mist it's it's like kind of grim and it's raining but then the Summit is like this totally wild so like all those plants are incredibly well adapted to this harsh environment and there really high rates of carnivory like plants that eat things because there's basically no soil one of the books I read said that described it as a rain desert like you think of a desert normally as having lots of soil but no water and there you have infinite water but no soil because it's a stone surface that's getting rained on so much that it washes all the soil away oh wow so for any of the vegetation to live there they basically all have different strategies where they're rooted straight to the stone and then they they eat you know they eat uh bugs and things that you know they eat insects or they eat other plants or they you know they lots of plants that grow on plants and it's just like a whole crazy Web of Life that's like really different than what you expect normally it's weird cuz it's so abundant it's got It's an unusual ual form of life but
it's everywhere yeah like that's so rich in green like you'd have yeah though actually I bet if in that photo if you'd Pan the photo bit to the side there'd be like big expanses of barar rock because the Summits like yeah they're little pastures and things it's almost like Alpine Meadows if you go into the mountains and in the northern hemisphere um there'll be like high Tundras and things where it's like yeah feels really Lush but then there's also a lot of exposed rock because when the sun comes out you know you're at 7 to 9,000 ft in the Tropic so it's really intense UV exposure and it dries things out instantly so it's a really hard hard climatic conditions for Life wow that's wild and so these uh organisms these creatures that live up there they're they're closely resembling creatures that live in Africa and so that was part of what you're studying yeah so we were with this biologist who was trying to do an elevational transect of of the River Basin that we were in so basically starting from the rainforest where the frogs are pretty well known and then going up through the cloud forest which is kind of as you gain elevation to the actual wall and then the species all change as as you gain elevation which is kind of normal and then the things on the summit of the toois on the summit of the the the stone Island are completely different again and so he was basically doing research on how how the different species you know basically what the deal is and it's really difficult to get there too right yeah yeah it was it took a very long time to walk through the jungle to get there and then no one had ever been to this wall before so cutting a trail up to the wall was totally insane and then just yeah it was it was crazy and you guys are sleeping in Hammock so do you have like some sort of canopy above the hammock like how do you have it set up yeah just a little hammock and then a little rainfly just like a tarp above it oh wow but it was pretty uh it took me a while to sort of dial in dial in my scene I was basically sleeping in a puddle for you know most a lot of the time yeah and I'm sure your books were soaking wet too right everything in your little dry bag yeah well that's true but you keep your stuff in your dry bags and like you know keep it all organized but it is true that
like your clothing once it got wet is just wet just wet yeah just I mean it dries in your body but yeah so I was in you know all synthetic clothing and synthetic sleeping bag so I was warm enough but then you're just laying in a puddle like a little puddle of water cuz you know the bottom of the hammock it all sags to the bottom and so it is all just pooling and you're sort of like oh man does the synthetic stuff act like Marino wool acts like they have that dialed in where even when you're wet you can stay warm yeah yeah exactly yeah it maintains all the insulation without um even when it's wet what company do you use for that stuff uh the north phase I'm I've been sponsored by the north phase for a long time well they're they're really dialed in with that [ __ ] right yeah but all also synthetic clothing like I mean it's all yeah it's all good when it comes to like mountaineering hiking Stu yeah so this trip how long were we there for we there a month wow um or like four weeks and you know took us the hammock rain yeah I know totally totally but your guy's used to living out of a van so you kind of a little bit but a van is like a small little apartment it's actually pretty comfortable you're dry you're cooking for yourself you know it's pretty good seen in the van the hammock was a little more room what were you guys eating out there did you have to bring a month's worth of food no um so we had local sort of logistical support um so like an Outfitter in Guyana had hired um a bunch of Amar Indian Porters or the the local indigenous folks like basically all the men from this last Village that we hiked out of like all hiked into the jungle with us and helped carry things for the the team and the film crew and everything oh wow but um but so the logistical sort of operator in country had you know provided rations for the trip um but it was basically just Top Ramen for the whole trip oh really it dude the hike out was so Grim they would uh they'd cook like a bucket of maybe 20 packs of Top Ramen and uh you know we'd get Ramen and then whatever was left over they'd save and then in the morning they'd reheat and we'd get Ramen for breakfast and you're just like oh man Top Ramen for breakfast and and what about protein um they had some little freeze DED I we just didn't have you
know we brought a bunch of snacks um you know I'm normally a vegetarian but on that trip I was eating like salmon jerky and just whatever like team snacks that we' brought M um but yeah I mean when we were at the wall so so that kind of logistical support was when we were trekking Through the Jungle both ways but when we got to the wall you couldn't really establish a camp cuz we were like right on the side of a cliff and so we were all just kind of dangling on the side of the cliff oh and so we were taking care of oursel more yeah but so then we were eating trail mix for basically breakfast and lunch and then a couple bars things like that like energy bars and then having a freeze-dried dinners at night and that was just like our whole scene basically we did like a week or 10 days of of just kind of like trail mix and bars and and it was it was kind of a grim you know we were like oh really you know really hurt for a salad or something get out of there and have real food well so funny enough I made it back to Georgetown the capital and we were staying in like the nice hotel in Georgetown or whatever and I got the worst food poison in my life in town I was kind of like oh man how ironic yeah yeah but when I got home I was like oh sweet like crunchy vegetables and so nice a hot shower yeah the the camping off the cliff thing that is the one that freaks me out the most when I watch those images or see videos of people that are climbing that pause in the middle of the face and set up a camp and they have like a little hammock thing it's pretty cozy you should you should try how dare you no honestly you're always so tired anyway you're just like oh at least I get to lay down and relax it's like so it's nice yeah but you you don't freak out in the middle of the night and just think oh my my God I'm dangling off the side of a [ __ ] cliff a th000 feet in the air at a certain point you're just like if you fall you know you just relax it's like I mean you sort of commit to it at the get you know it's like when you go to sleep you're totally committing to like all right this all had better work this is better hold right and and if you and if you actually think that you're in danger then you keep a backup line you keep you know you stay tied into other things stuff like that you well
sometimes you don't well so like where we were at the base of the wall was like pretty solid um but the thing is the base of the wall it's not like flat ground comes up to a cliff it's like a steep Talis field where all the chunks of the cliff that have fallen off over the years and then that steep Talis gets overgrown with like bushes and shrubs and like roots and things and then Brad like all these crazy plants that just kind of stick together so we were camping on this like really steep Hillside but technically they were plant so like my hammock was strung between two trees but they were like pretty scraby little trees and you are kind of like huh if the whole thing fell off the cliff You' be like but you don't but it seems unlikely to happen cuz you're kind of like realistically the load that you're hammocks putting on the tree is a lot less than load that the wind does you know when it's storming or something so you're kind of like I think it's fine and you just sort of evaluate the risk you know oh boy no that is that is not what we had going on that is boyar describe it for the people that are just listening we're looking at what looks like a greenhouse that's [ __ ] just hang out the side of a cliff a hotel this is like that's like a Swiss glamping option or something a, hotel room dangling from the side of a Peruvian Mountain no but that is oh Christ that's like strictly for an Instagram influencer type [ __ ] that's for [ __ ] yeah no I'm not into that thank you good you and I are in the same page I love it the thing is that looks like death the thing for me I find that very contrived because it's like if you're going to stay in a hotel stay in a hotel you know like like have running food and like like where do you get your running water in there you know it's like I don't know but the thing is when you have to stay on the side of a cliff then you do then you do it in the nicest way you can there's a hotel I think it's an Iceland that's constructed entirely of ice and people go there to uh just to say they were there what is Iceland so I mean isn't the whole society made of ice you know seems like it should be but it's not um Iceland's like more green and Greenland's more ice right yeah so there's this it's a a luxury hotel and when you go inside of it the entire
hotel is Con who do we know that went in there Jamie was it a guest uh or did I talk to somebody about that says it's in Sweden that is it Sweden maybe a couple of them maybe there's more than one of them maybe I just [ __ ] it up there's five ice hotels in Scandinavia oh wow really there's a top five so there's more than that there's no chance i' stay in what no I shouldn't say that I might stay an yeah totally totally on the one hand I'm like that's dumb on the other hand if I think if I saw it I'd be like that's incredible yeah I just the sleeping inside of it has got to suck would be really well insulated I mean just like eagloo I guess but still would suck like what if you have to pee in the middle of the night get up and yeah you're you're sleeping on a dude have you never camp on snow camping in snow is amazing because if you have to pee you just pee and your pee Burrows its own little tunnel straight down into the snow it's like I I did an expedition in Antarctica and uh you basically like I was peeing out the same back flap of my tent every night and your little pea tunnel just gets and I think it went to the Center of the Earth by the end of the trip you know it's like going just deeper and deeper into the glacier and you're like it just goes forever yeah I've I've camped in cold climates before it's it's not comfortable it's not nice oh if you have a good sleeping bag and you know good pad and it's pretty cozy you're just used to things that are less comfortable than most I think perhap cozy in your perspective you know but I get it yeah yeah but this uh Ice Hotel my friend who stayed I can't remember who told me they stayed in it they did it one night just to say they did it they were at their kids too uh sounds like David bla I think you're right I I know David yeah he's great yeah dude yeah he he for him an ice hotel is like a normal thing he's like he probably just lay there on the ice the whole time just to just to see if he days just to see if he could he's a strange person right totally strange and Powerful at the same time like a very unusual human being dude I uh I met with him years ago now because he was did you see his like realer magic documentary no it's really good I would totally encourage you to watch it but basically
it's all these like sort of magic tricks except they aren't actually they're just like I'm allowed to curse right yeah yeah they like these [ __ ] up things that he does that people assume must be magic but aren't like he puts an ice pick through his hand I put an ice pick through his arm oh well there you go that's like the same kind of like made me yeah exactly I'm like come on man what are we doing here exactly that no exactly and you're like you're like you hope it's a trick but look at you dude exactly T dude he bought me an iPhone randomly he it was one of those classic things he uh I forget he yeah so I met him in New York for the thing for real magic uh he was talking about maybe doing a climbing thing and I was totally into teaching him how to climb the outside of a building basically it's one of those things that people would assume there's a trick to it but in some ways it's actually easier just to learn how to do it well enough that you can just do it rather than do a trick you know what I mean like because that's kind of the whole thing with the ice pick is people assume there must be a trick to it but you actually just do this crazy thing you just learn how to do it right right and so so I went climbing with him a few times and he like you know gave me a tour around town and we chat and stuff I don't know I was totally into his whole scene I was like such mind over matter you know I was like wow he he has got a strong mind for just like making himself do things that other people would think are impossible SL yeah it's just mostly his mind mostly the ability to deal with uncomfortable feelings yeah like the ice pick through the arm like we had to stop cuz I hit a nerve and then we did it again so it hit a nerve and then there was one point in time where after we did it he was concerned that maybe blood was cooling up in a weird way so he had our medic look at it so he he sto we stopped twice right we stopped once and I put it back in again and then we go all the way through and then after it came out we had to stop again and then one of our guys had to look at it CU it was just bleeding in a weird way he was worried that it was creating a hematoma it could be like come on man yeah if you ever watch the the show you know realer magic whatever it's it's really good but in
one of them like he puts ice pick through his hand and and then he pulls it out and he's like look see it's fine and it's like and it looks totally fine like it's not bleeding you know it's cuz your hand is so elastic or whatever but I asked him about it you know I was like oh what's the deal with that CU you pull out you know it's like is it a trick and he's like no you pull it out and as long as you're holding your hand above your heart it doesn't bleed for a little bit he's like but then when you put your hand down obviously it bleeds cuz you have [ __ ] a hole through your hand I was like oh Jesus I like I was like that's not much of a trick that's that's messed up well one of the things that he showed us was there was a guy that was famous back in the day for putting sword through his body the guy would run like the whole way mhm the whole way through his really narrow sword yeah a small but they got progressively larger as he got progressively dead is that how he died do you remember Jamie I feel like that's how it ended up going he got cocky yes he got cocky or he sneezed halfway through and just like lacerated eventually made his way to like a broadsword size it was really weird to see though because there's video of this guy and there's photos video is there video I got video is video yeah this guy slid like right through his organs oh jeez yeah so look at this oh jeez I mean they just puncture his lung with a [ __ ] sword I mean this is not a trick this is when you watch action movies and people get shot or stabbed a bunch of times and you're like that's so unrealistic he'd be like when you watch John Wick you know and he gets shot like 27 times like apparently people can actually uh take quite a beating and just keep going or they can get one small look at they're going right through this right through his [ __ ] oh my Jes and look how he just sat sits there and who's the who's this Doctor Who's like good enough to poke a sword straight through is not really a doctor well but he must be a like he'd be an incredible uh maybe he works in a deli you know like a really really good say what year this is what are the things on his forearms by the way oh he so now he's going into an x-ray machine to make sure that so this guy had scars all over his body
from the times that he did this dude yeah yikes that's a [ __ ] fairly thick blade like definitely bigger than a pencil that the doctor's examined it looks good and now he's going to eat except it's all going to fall out the hole Yeah it's going to sore it out that's a hard looking man imagine having a conversation with that dude I bet he had his a very weird way of looking at things dude guy had a 36 that guy look oh well there you go he looked like he 50 already fill holes I wonder how painful that is I it's got to be pretty painful yeah you would assume how could it not be you know me [ __ ] piercing your ear is painful I've never P my ear too afraid that's hilarious you're too afraid to Pier your ear well no I just don't want to hold in my ear so did he die from that Jamie I'm double checking on how he died yeah uh you need like a team of researchers and you're just like up like yeah checking fast I know it's all Jamie one-handed Googling like a wizard he moved to Switzerland and was granted a license to perform without the ability to speak to the public I don't know that sounds strange a license to perform without the ability to oh maybe like if you performed you had to talk to people like they had mimes back then though no maybe you had a break character they get mad at you but that seems like so maybe he couldn't say he got he was like ow it hurts and they're like sh I don't know like this is so silly to even have to be fair the the ACT is less inspiring if the guy screams in pain the whole time cuz then nobody wants to watch right yeah I mean the same guy doing the same thing screaming like like he's being tortured that would be sick I it' be the same for David blae like when you watch the David stuff it's like if you were putting an ice pieg through his arm and he was just scream like if he was just sobbing the whole time you'd be like I don't want to watch this I wouldn't do it stop it says in 1948 he was alleged he was instructed by Voices to eat a steel needle and two days later it was surgically removed I don't know I think he got cocky it's fair to say he might have some weird things going on yeah he was probably trying to kill himself and couldn't believe he kept surviving yeah he was laying on a bed
they didn't I guess they didn't know he was dead and then they finally got a doctor to check him turns out he'd already been dead for a day yeah it sounds a little Jesus Christ we need we need like three more research interns like Googling his whole as fast as they get cuz they're like wait none of that makes any sense and this was because of swallowing a needle mhm said he had he thought he had guardian angels He said he was telepathic he could heal people yeah yeah yeah well he didn't heal himself very well or maybe he did that's how he survived so many you know being impaled so many times I guess you can just do it though it can be done you know cuz the they're fairly small holes although they do go through the length of your entire body it's I mean you just think you'd get infected I think that's part of part of what that video was was him proving the doctors that it wasn't all fake and that's because that's what it says he proved to Zurich doctors that it wasn't his act wasn't based on fakery that's why do I get so uncomfortable just talking about this I'm so I'm breathing heavy like maybe you need to practice a little bit have somebody start putting needles through like little parts of your arm you know like just there's just something weird about people that are willingly hurting themselves and causing themselves pain no I I kind of agree with that I do I do find it slightly but David very well adjusted man it seems very well very friendly you know nice guy like and his card tricks are legitimately mindblowing dude so fun fact about his card tricks I don't know if he so he uh he took me to lunch once and like did a whole thing in card tricks and I was totally I I love magic and I think it's cool and you know I like obviously they're all tricks but I was like this is incredible the execution is incredible I was totally into it I was super impressed and then uh at the time I was I was dating this girl in New York really briefly and um and a couple days later we all went to the climbing gym together cuz like I said I was kind of encouraging him to like do some some climbing thing and he then we went to lunch again and he basically did the same set of car tricks for this girl that I was dating but
having already climbed for like an hour or two and it was funny because his execution in the cart tricks was noticeably worse for me like you know I could tell that he was like doing all his tricks worse once his arms were like totally wrecked from climbing for 2 hours like basically his fingers and his forearms were totally wrecked and that actually made me appreciate how difficult the tricks are even more cuz I was like oh wow like if your finger tips hurt and your muscles are wrecked and it's hard for you to hold your arm steady then it's like very hard to Fan the deck you know evenly and to like pick cards properly and it made me appreciate just how much skill is involved and what he was doing I was like oh dude it it's pretty cool you know basically to see somebody do something at their Peak and then when they're also totally wrecked and then to see kind of the overlap you're like oh this is actually quite hard like what he's doing is is is a challenge you you know what it's like he like he's got the fine motor skills that we have for tying our own shoes totally but for a deck of cards yeah when he can just cut to the 27th card or whatever you know and he's like let me just cut this deck and he's like oh there's card number 24 and you're like he really can do that done so many times that he has that you know that cuz there is that feeling that you have when you tie your shoe where your hands just communicate so fluidly you know like that's like what people strive for in Jiu-Jitsu and Jiu-Jitsu you strive like that's actually what my uh my coach Eddie Bravo he uses that as as an example that when you tie your shoe you don't think about tying your shoe you just tie your shoe and in a certain situation you'll flow into a technique like a technique will happen and it'll it'll happen and because you your your repetitions you've hit so many times it'll just be so fluid and so for David it's got to be like that but with like the very tips of his fingers I know for somebody like me with you know very callous I can't even imagine feeling anything that well like honestly decks of cards I just like crumple them all together I'm just shove them like is it shuffled you know like I can't even manipulate them that well yeah I would imagine right like your hands have to be
like super rough right yeah normally pretty rough and then also just really cous on the tip so I mean often you know I can pick up like hot things and like not really notice it quite the same way or you know things like that I mean if you're grabbing like grabbing very coarse rock all the time it's like you have to wind up with really callous fingertips of course yeah but so then something like manipulating the edge of a card it's like I can't even imagine feeling it have you seen there's there was a guy that was on this television show called dual survivor and he was known for walking is that what it called dual survivor I think one of them goofy survivor shows that's the sequel the Soul Survivor no no no it was these two guys would go together and they would you know the idea was that they would help each other out but his feet he always walked Barefoot everywhere like he never wore shoes so the bottoms of his feet were thick like a giant thick fat piece of leather um see if you can that kind of thing yeah there's one of the bottom of the middle image you can see the bottom of his foot was just like this disgusting I'm I'm kind of not into that because I mean you know there there are probably a billion people on Earth that basically don't have access to to Footwear you know like billion people on Earth who do that just because that's how they live right and dude it's funny because I've been thinking a lot about this kind of thing because you know having just spent the month of February in Guyana with with uh we had all these amarian Porters helping us carry all the stuff in for the show and and I was thinking a lot about survival shows in the US cuz it's so popular it' be like oh we're surviving in the woods and you're like dude there there are at least tens if not hundreds of millions of humans on Earth that basically live in survival shows like that you know that's just their dayto day yeah it's not a survival thing they're like that's that's a freaking Tuesday you know they're like oh I'm going to wander into the woods with my machete I'm going to cut some stuff down and make myself a little shelter I'm going to start a fire even though it's raining it's like what of and and being on this trip and like watching the Indians and just how how
easily and effectively they could live relatively comfortably in the jungle it made a total mockery out of reality TV style survival stuff you know because we'd get to a a new camp Zone and you see like eight or 10 guys just kind of like fan out with their machetes and kind of like chitchat and like an hour later there's a camp erected with a fire going and water boiling and they've all changed clothes they're all clean they're all happy they're dry they're like having a good time and you're like they just made a village you know with just a machete and like it's totally insane you know and then you watch survival shows where it's like he will now do such and such and you're like come on like somebody doing that for show is just so different than people doing that literally every single day for their life you know right well at least like Survivor Man used to actually do it but then there was the other guy what was the other guy's name the other guy was the other the other show the guy was the British handsome fellow who in Bear Grills yeah Bear Grills what's his show called uh well he's got now called running wild with Bear Grills which I know cuz I did it with him last year or two years ago which actually is cool but that's more like an interview style show where he takes people on experiences man vers wild oh yeah man vers wild that that was his original but the the thing about him was like people got mad because they found out he would go to a hotel at night no no no so that was a different thing so I actually talked to him a bit about it while while we did the thing so originally he was just doing the full and I think maybe his show predated the Survivor Man thing no it I think it may have no it definitely didn't I'll tell you why I because Le Stout is a friend of mine and he's been on the show and the reason this show with Bear Grills was created is cuz less wouldn't fake things less refused to go they wanted to do things to set things up for him to make it look like it was more difficult than it is and he didn't want to do any of that he he filmed everything himself the entire survivor man show what network is Survivor man I don't remember okay was all but it was the same people that were producing it they go well we'll show you and then
they went and did this other show and then he got busted for sleeping in hotels well so the way he the way bar GRS tells it is more that the first several seasons of his show was basically like surviving where it's like everybody's just out in the bush like doing the hard thing and it's kind of grim and then basically said over time you just realize that the show is as well received either way like basically people enjoy the entertainment of the show regardless and he's like you don't need the whole crew to suffer you don't need to suffer like nobody needs to be out there like getting worked and wherever for nine days when you can make a good show in two that sounds like what I would say if I got busted sleeping in well so anyway but now his new show though basically has just taken a different track cuz ultimately the the what's the thing running wildberg the thing he does now is basically just take other people out and like have an experience with them and it's basically just a format for interviewing like interesting people oh okay just a wild environment yeah yeah so it's like taking uh like he took Obama out into a like a uh a reserve in Alaska you know to like like wild places or something imagine if he took Obama somewhere and Obama go killed by a bear dude well I think I mean I think there were Secret Service snipers like ready to shoot a Grizzle you know yeah I think so wow but that's pretty cool gig that once you once you leave you get secret service protection for life but do you want that do you want people following you around with a gun everywhere and like a walk and stuff like at all times like yeah but that's the problem is that people legitimately want to kill you totally that's yeah that's service is there yeah that's the real bummer yeah do you want to have a lot of people that want to kill you your whole life that sucks yeah the thing I understand what you're saying though about that guy walking around Barefoot but I think in his he's like a serious survivor guy and I think in his eyes you don't want to depend on shoes so he's developed his feet to the point where he could walk on hot rocks and walk everywhere yeah the thing is though that people who actually don't have shoes all want shoes you know what I mean like that not necessarily mostly
though I mean that's the thing is like all this like Survivor stuff you know it's like when you go into like indigenous villages in the Amazon like they want Refrigeration they want electricity they want Direct TV like actually this Village we were and the guy was like I want Direct TV and we were kind of like well you need power first you know like you need connectivity in some way like you know you need any kind of infrastructure but it's like people want solid wooden floors they want you know they want medicine I mean communication for there's just I mean there's so much I just think it's a little weird to like celebrate the Survivor stuff where it's like oh you know you should toughen yourself up and get back to Nature and you're like yeah that's cool but the vast majority of people that live that way are like actively seeking a slightly more comfortable and slightly more secure lifestyle yeah I I totally understand what you're saying but my friend Steve Rell spent some time with an indigenous tribe in South America when he filmed his show uh meater and uh they actually they either offered them shoes or let them try on shoes they didn't want them and these guys it's the weirdest [ __ ] ever have you seen what happens when someone grows up living and walking in the forest bare foot their feet SPL out like a hand mhm have you seen it yeah or just like yeah yeah I know what you're talking about see if you can find there's I forget the name of the tribe I'm try it's it's it's escaping me but they they live uh deep in the jungles of South America and he spent uh a bunch of time with them hunting and fishing and they they eat they eat a lot of monkeys which is really crazy like they they cooked and ate a monkey on the show and that's like their preferred food they actually enjoy monkeys and they eat all these other you know birds and whatever creatures they can find they do a lot of fishing and they do a lot of uh uh bow and arrow fishing but yeah yeah the folks we were with were doing the same thing and they had different arrows for shooting fish versus shooting game I was like oh that's so interesting it's like these Barb things for fish and I was like i' never even thought about shooting fish before I was like it's cool this is what
they're to their feet develop and start looking like yeah I don't know like I feel like that might be an unusual photo no there's a bunch of them like that this is what re described this is what he described to me and then we started finding photos of these when uh he was on the show talking about it we uh went and looked at him are those from him because I see you you have sort of like are you sure that that that's not from his page I tried to find something like that but that's what we've looked at every time I was like cuz that cuz that those feet look like uh they just have some vitamin deficiency type like weird phone thing going on you know like I don't think it's that I think it's from actively gripping the ground like that you know how your hands sort of splay out yeah yeah totally from grabbing are we're so used to our toes being and shoes in a you know what you would call like a cast but the the the way these there's a lot of different feet of different humans that live like that walking around Barefoot that you could see that playay out like that yeah no our Porters were mostly well wearing like Wellington like boots you know like rubber boots and then there were a handful that were just Barefoot and you'd be like oh dude we're like 5 days from a village in the middle of nowhere and you're just like treking Barefoot through the mud though the jungle is actually a more hospitable environment for going Barefoot than a lot of places it's soft yeah cuz it's like kind of Muddy and like you know I mean there are like thorny things but not it's not the desert you know it's not like sharp rocks and cactuses and things and so this show is it aired the show no it's uh it'll be in the fall I think and so you're there for a month filming this how many episodes is it going to be no it's just one episode wow yeah that's crazy yes I mean you know it's not like it's not like my show or I was just there to climb this wall I mean to me show called um I think it's Nat Geo Explorer I think explore is like the series I mean you know we'll see but um no I was just there as a climber to climb this new wall and and just because you know on a personal level it's like an incredible life experience to have a trip like that put
together where you get to go somewhere totally wild learn about an incredible place like you know yeah climb on new rock you know it's cool it sounds amazing it's sounds pretty wild to see I can't wait to watch it honestly um I mean my last couple years you know I had like the whole crazy free solo film T her which is like a year of of crazy travel and work and then a year of Co which is also you know really different with like no Expeditions no travel and so I hadn't really done like a overseas climate expedition in that way in in a couple years and it felt good to get back to just to remember that you know there are hundreds of millions of humans on Earth that live in completely different ways is that that it's hard to even remember if you're if you're not reminded of it from time to time right yeah yeah well I can I understand your distaste for people that are kind of posing too yeah it's not it's not distaste for posing I just I hate I hate glamorizing I hate Looking Backward too much you know what I mean this whole like oh we should get back to Our Roots like Back To Nature all that kind of stuff because it's like people who live in nature full stop you know I mean they might appreciate it they might they might love nature in its way but they still want the stab like a lot of the of modernity you know what I mean like like there's a reason that people have developed power grids and like communication infrastructure and all those kinds of things like it's because it makes life safer and more comfortable and it's like and on the whole Humanity has embraced all those things so you know I kind of hate the backward looking like oh we should just get back to Our Roots you know like disc like the thorough style you know like you know get rid of all this stuff you're like no like we have all this stuff for a reason it's freaking great you know well we have all this stuff for a reason because human beings have a deep fascination with innovation when some of it you could argue makes our lives less happy though some don't know when you get to social media when you get to like constantly staring at screens when you get to living in cubicles off of ir of fluorescent lights totally there's an argument about it yeah that kind of like nitty-gritty
stuff yeah like perhaps social media makes your life less rich but having a having a power grid having communication like having a roof having you know like roads like all those things are incredible and if bring if they bring extra attacks on our attention then you know so be it basically and then you just requires discipline to not fall into those traps and also you know an understanding of the the path that you choose can lead to deep disappointment if you decide to live that cubical life like understand that this is not normal for people this is this is somewhat close to cubicle life actually this this is first of all completely voluntar no no no of course but I mean the actual the feeling of like we are inside this tiny little thing yeah we are inside a weird thing but you've seen the new one you're one of the rare people that's seen the new one which is a little bit bigger but um have you ever seen uh wner herzog's documentary happy people no it's a life in the tiger it's about people that live in Siberia oh they're not it can't be happy people if you're in siber very happy be shocked I mean that's the point of the film I guess yeah the the point is these people are Trappers and hunters and well there's no Gathering really but they're they're hunters and Fisher people and they they live uh in the tigga which is a yeah like the yeah of Siberia and it's like this incredibly harsh environment and they rely on dogs and sleds and they make their own skis and they uh have a u most of these guys have uh snowmobiles and they have a trapping run that they go from one place to they have these cabins that they have set up with uh plastic windows are they the indigenous people of that area like they're they're human are they like Russians they're Russians yeah and they're really happy it's really weird you know like you see them all together laughing and there's like very few instances of mental health issues and they they live this subsistence lifestyle it's it's I mean the subs lifestyle though is just so on edge you know what I mean like through all of human history most subsistence uh you know basically human groups that live in that way are always
you know like one one famine away from Death basically sure or one broken leg away from Death exactly exactly especially if you're in the woods right yeah I mean might not make it out yeah I mean where we were in the jungle totally you break your leg and it's like oh it's a six day walk to to civilization carrying you yeah that happened to Ashley Jud did you hear about that no what yeah just like last week really yeah she was in the Congo and she was uh doing some stuff in the rainforest with the pygmies and she fell uh she I think she fell like tripped over a log and snapped her leg and uh it was a harrowing experience to get her out and I think she almost lost her leg dude yeah it's it was a big deal do you know how many days or like how far they had to carry her out or like what happened it was a long journey and um I'm I'm pretty sure she she might still be in the hospital she was [ __ ] up though that's crazy and they said that it she came well she may be crippled for life and she came very close to losing her leg and they show like pictures of it I wonder if that's happened before where like an aess celebrity actor actress loses a limb in a terrible accident seems like it would really almost the first she was almost the first I know I'm like there must be some examples of that but Christ yeah that was a horrible accident became paralyzed with a neck down for the rest of his life but uh see if he find uh photos of Ashley jud's leg because uh she was in the Congo and one of my good buddies Justin Ren he he runs a a nonprofit where they go to the Congo and build um Wells and we we've we actually helped support it it's uh fight for the Forgotten and um it's this incredible thing that he does where he you know he's he's got malaria three times doing it he spends months months and months at a time this is they're carrying her out here yeah so they had these poor dudes those guys are not very Stout either skinny little fellas yeah but I bet they're very strong that's that's the whole thing like in all parts of the world like you just wind up like look at her leg look at how they have it like strapped together like she's [ __ ] I don't know how long it took her but I'm I'm pretty sure it was like it said 55
hours just to get to a hospital or something to get checked I think dude 55 hours 55 hours with a broken leg you know those guys were going in shifts every you know every 30 minutes of carrying a full grown woman they're just like oh man crazy wow yeah that's tough rough on her I I once had to carry a partner for four hours out from Mountain but after he broke his heel but that's a lot different than 50 hours out from the the jungle you knowz you could actually see the road but it's just 4 hours how can you get there how did you carry him on your shoulders yeah I just piggy back just carried him wow actually it was dark and uh we didn't have headlamps so I would take our backpacks with an iPhone and like walk down to sort of scout the path and then dump our stuff and then go back and pick him up and then carry him down whoa took a long time so you had to go like little stops pick up yeah but the thing is realistically it it was really difficult terrain um you know a couple thousand feet of like vertical loss down this down this mountain side like crazy Rocky and stuff it wouldn't be was it was the environment really cold was it would it be easier to there and come back it was really cold but also um I mean but he would have just had to come out eventually you know what I mean like yeah we could have left him until morning but then we both just be like cold and tired and still have to do the same thing you know it's better just to like do it in the dark and get down eventually but um yeah it was really cold that was in Red Rock outside of Las Vegas oh really yeah it's like home area now it gets cold as [ __ ] out there it gets very cold you live in Vegas now yeah we talked about that the last yeah I I would have I would have been living there like a year or two last time we chatted okay but now I'm like I fully just live in Vegas I'm totally into it it's awesome Vegas is weird with the the the lockdown the quarantine it's it's come back to life now I haven't been in the STP at all at all since you've moved there no no uh for all of Co oh all of Co we we drove right at the beginning of lockdown we drove the strip like right when it was all happening and it was completely empty like ghost town and
then it had all the flashing neon signs saying like where your mask and we'll get through this together and I was like this is the beginning of a zombie movie you know there's like no one on the street and there all these like apocalyptic lights still going like stay safe we'll see you on you know next time and you're just like dude I just wanted to see a zombie come running out of like the entrance to the bagio or something I like this is crazy yeah we got to the door of Zombie Land that's what we got you know we didn't get into Zombie Land but we got to like oh I could see where Zombie Land is totally we got like we almost knocked on the door to Zombie Land weird [ __ ] man but it was weird Vegas was particularly strange because it relies entirely on tourists that's the entire business is people visiting Vegas and and going and gambling and doing all that stuff so the first couple events that we did with the UFC there were no crowd and uh you would drive around in Vegas and you'd see no one no one on the streets like the occasional car and I'm like God this seems so strange around the strip I bet but like where I live in Suburbia over on the west side of town by the mountain mountains it like feels pretty normal I mean traffic is a little lower but um but it's basically just people living and like getting food and doing their thing so um yeah like for the climbing community in Vegas you couldn't even really tell that there's that Co was a thing you know because um the governor Nevada explicitly allowed out to Recreation throughout lockdown so it's like you're stay able to go hike and climb a good thing because they didn't do that in California was one of the problems with California's lockdown is that it's nonsensical and then you know they when they were trying to pretend that it's science-based if it's science based you would know that the science says that the that Co dies almost instantly contact with sunlight so why can't people go outside I know that kind of bumed me out with all the like locking down public beaches and stuff it's like yeah it makes sense that you don't want people congregating in big crowds necessarily but it's like if you're going to lock down you have to do it sustainably in a way that like people can actually live that way and like
going Outdoors is kind of one of the best ways to make it sustainable because like people can spread out they can still feel happy and like you know and you get vitamin D which is one of the best things to combat Co it's they found that 84% of the people in the ICU with covid had insufficient levels of vitamin D only 4% had sufficient levels huh I is that uh what's true in the normal population like are most people just deficient people are deficient a giant problem with people in general and they think it's a giant contributing factor to low immune systems weakened immune systems because of vitamin D is apparently a huge issue with uh you know we're just not designed first of all to wear CL be doors all the time second of all to be indoors yeah we we we evolve to be outside actually I think really pale People Like Us probably do need clothing like you know because if we're outside all the time we'd be my skin would be would be in trouble well we're pale because our ancestors lived in Europe they to a climate from Africa yeah yeah that's what's weird it's like we're just basically like a solar panel for Vitamin B or vitamin D rather that's the reason why we're white yeah yeah totally because we needed more vitamin D than we can get oh yeah I see what you're saying totally yeah that's what it is it's also the reason why Brown folks and black folks have a much harder time with covid with vitamin D levels like my friend is a doctor and he said that he was working in New York City and uh some of the patients that he had that were black people he would test them and they had indetectable levels of vitamin D that's interesting is that envir is it true that the dark skinned folks uh generate less vitamin D from the sun because vitamin D is one of the rare things that we actually require sunlight to generate and the reason why black people have it obviously is when you're from really hot climates totally your body is actually protected and you're getting plenty of vitamin D but your body's protected from the dangers of the sunlight with more melanin and so the the darker skin gives you less vitamin D but you're getting plenty because you're out and you're probably a lot of your skin is exposed yeah thought about that to me how important it is for darker skinned
people to supplement with vitamin D it's a huge issue huh yeah and just most people need Vitamin D yeah I mean if you're living indoors all the time it's kind of like I mean it's tough well it's a hormone too that's what's weird about vitamin D it's not really a vitamin it's a hormone yeah yeah it's they call it vitamin D but it's it's an actual hormone and it's responsible for a lot of different things in the body not just your immune system but it's a brain function it's it's it responsible for muscle tissue development there's a lot going on with vitamin D never I've never even thought about it that much I'm just like do you I know you're a vegetarian but do you supplement do you take vitamins at all not not that much actually the last couple months I've been um taking athletic greens do you know what that is oh I love that stuff yeah yeah I'm pretty into it I know it's I know it's really good they actually they sponsor my podcast and so uh so I started you know using it CU I was like oh cool they're like getting on board with the podcast and then um but now I've like gotten into it I think yeah I'm uh it's like one of those classic things that feels really helpful and like the more I do it the more I'm like I think this might be helping like I legit I mean they've worked on the same formula for over 10 years this is the 53rd iteration of uh athletic greens they know I kind of like that they're just constantly improving it rather than like rolling out different products it's just like this is a good product that just continues to get better like I respect that I love that stuff I bring those travel packs with me everywhere yeah I did for the jungle every morning I would take my travel pack packet of athletic greens and then and then my Malon pill for malaria and like oh the Malon pills did that stuff [ __ ] you up I didn't notice anything oh really but um I took it for all the times that we were in populated areas around the Villages but then once we were like at the wall and we were uh because basically once we were camped on the wall uh we didn't even have any Porters around us anymore because we were sort of separated from like the main camp we were just like at the wall so there wasn't enough of a population base around for us to worry about mosquitoes so then I stopped
taking it for like the week or two so is that how Works mosquitoes only exist if there's a population of humans no no there were still mosquitoes but they just wouldn't have malaria cu the thing is they have to be getting the malaria from somewhere so if you're like in the full-on middle of nowhere where there are no other like living things around there wouldn't be malaria because there's nothing to carry the malaria oh so it's a what came first the chicken the egg type deal yeah yeah so like well I mean it's kind of true for all you know diseases that plague humanity is they're more uh you know they're found more in villages and towns and like around population centers but if you get out in the middle of nowhere there's not there not enough people to to host the the virus you know and it's all stagnant water right that's where well the stagnant water the mosquitoes are coming from right yeah the stagnant water breeds the mosquitoes but then the mosquitoes have to get malaria from from somebody that's carrying the virus and they can transmit it around so is that stuff that you were taking is that like a prophylactic does it prevent you from getting it or is it a treatment I think it's both actually so yeah so if you did did get stung with a mosquito that had it and you take that yeah oh wow that's great um I I think I I didn't know that much about it we there was a team doctor on the trip and he basically just told us like do this and but it didn't [ __ ] you up at all I didn't notice anything what it could have been the athletic greens you know just keep right keep you on track yeah exactly what was the stuff mefo what mequin that's the stuff that Justin gives you the crazy dreams and stuff Justin my friend who was telling you that runs fight for the Forgotten he took that mequin stuff and it [ __ ] him up and he was taking way more than he should be taking apparently didn't realize it until it was too late yeah I I've heard of other types of malarum meds that are really hard on you yeah supposedly what we were taking is the most low impact and then we only took it just for the periods where we thought we really needed it and you didn't feel anything from it didn't notice the thing that's people say they get crazy dreams but I never remember my dreams anyway so I was like I didn't get I've wanted to
bring my kids to Africa you definitely should yeah I want to bring them there but I'm worried about the medication I've done oh I wouldn't stress it I've done uh I don't know probably 10 plus trips to Africa and never taking malarum meds there really depends where you're going that's the thing and so I've gone to well also I'm always going to mountainous zones or like places in the middle of nowhere but basically if you're going to the middle of nowhere you don't really have to worry about malaria that much yeah but I would want to bring them where animals are I'd want to bring them I'd want them to see that'd be fun middle I mean yeah I've done stuff CLE you have to worry about malaria those places I don't know I never have I mean like the other place I want to go to is Egypt they do they have malaria in Egypt I'm sure it must exist but you know again I don't know like I've gone to Morocco three times spent a month each time never even thought about it but um but I've also been in the mountains you know climbing mountains and things like that but um yeah I mean you should look at it Case by case because you know like I did a month-long expedition in Chad and uh technically like if you looked at a global Health thing you know Chad is a malarial Zone because the the southern part of Chad is like near the Congo it's like sort of you know tropical but the whole rest of it is full-on Desert like there's no water and so you know we were in the deserty part and like obviously you're not worried about malaria the whole time have you ever got any funky diseases doing these crazy journeys of yours well I've got I've gotten sick uh no I've never gotten anything crazy uh you know knock on wood I don't think I've had any parasites or anything like that but um like the trip to Chad I had the worst stomach stuff going on the whole trip but I think we were drinking sort of dirty water and and the food was kind of weird and so I was basically sick the whole time but I think it was like normal sick normal parasitic sick no I don't think it was a parasite but dirty water sick no I mean and I took um cypro and uh with antibiotic and was like fine eventually now when you drink water out of those places do you bring like um those little iodine tabs or do you use a stere pen or yeah it depends on the it
depends on the place but so like on this trip in the jungle we were using iine a little bit using stair pens mostly and then and then UNT treating uh like just having a bunch of it untreated depending on circumstances yeah rainwater and then um some of the creeks and rivers that we were passing when we were in the middle of nowhere um it's actually pretty crazy the water like runs Brown there's so many uh tannin in it like the organic material from the like the biomass of the Jungle the water actually runs kind of like black brown water but um like tea colored even though it's just like clean you know it's not like sediment inside the water it's like the water is just Brown um but apparently make it more acidic and and make it slightly better for drinking so did you drink the brown Water yeah yeah you cool I mean so far so good we'll see though one of the uh one of my partners on the trip came home and and thought he had a parasite so then I was really paranoid about having a parasite for a couple weeks but um I haven't checked and I think it's all good so we'll see Justin had a gnarly one that lasted more than a year who yeah he they they didn't know what it was because you know he was deep in the Congo and they think he might have gotten some sort of unrecognized parasite or undiagnosed parasite or you know un totally unowned yeah and so they they gave him he's he had like I don't know how many different treatments and then eventually they they got it dialed in that stuff is tough because even the treatments are kind of hard on you you know so it's like the parasites having some impact the treatments have some impact it's it all kind of like upset it wrecked his body it wrecked everything his hormone balance was [ __ ] everything was [ __ ] for a long time time like for more than a year his health was [ __ ] that's what I'm trying to avoid yeah we'll see yeah well he said he got it from bathing he said he got it from bathing in the river he's pretty sure that's how it uh that's how it got him interesting not drinking no how did it enter his body though could be just little holes little scratches the same thing with staff infections right you know like you just little scratches stuff get tiny little tiny little parasite I don't know man I mean your body absorbs thing through the skin
right your Skin's an organ like who knows what kind of weird parasites we're talking about here but it got into his brain yeah just heavy duty stuff man yeah well that's why I typically don't go to the Jungle it's all about the mountains and like deserts you know big Rocky places but this particular trip is just is such a unique you know wonder of the world basically to climb rocks like that sticking out of the Jungle it's just so crazy is that what you look forward to the most like going to these sort of UN arted places and and climbing these structures and kind of I mean I mean I put up new roots on all seven continents so I it's cool to go to new places and like you know experience the world basically and sort of experience the richness of the world you know because there's so many crazy things like that where you're like who knew that that this sort of thing existed on Earth you know like it's nice to to experience that which is why you need a podcast to talk about these yeah though though like I said my podcast I don't talk about those things but that's crazy that's such an interesting aspect of your life yeah well perhaps uh once we run out of all the content that we're trying to cover then then we'll just start like telling crazy stories so mostly what you're trying to con cover is the content of the sport itself yeah we've so so far we've been interviewing some of the biggest names in climbing and then sort of drawing out specific themes so like basically getting the best stories from some of the best climbers to speak to specific aspects of climbing and it's all uh you know it's been produced so like we're editing it afterward we're cutting things adding sound effects and stuff but basically trying to tell very specific stories about like how the sport started how different aspects of it came to be you know we're trying to be a bit of an educational resource for people who are interested in climbing but don't totally know where it's come from or like what's happening with it you know for because basically with climbing going to the Olympics there's like this huge influx of attention and climbing and and hon like I mean I went to The Climbing gym here yesterday and uh and I have this experience more and more when I go to the gym it's like T of very passionate
climbers but they all started climbing like 3 years ago or four years ago and they started climbing in the gym and it's just such a different world culturally than than where climbing came from in the past right and so it felt like an important time to tell some of those stories and kind of bridge that Gap a little bit um I'm sure you've seen the documentary dirt bag no I don't know what is it you never seen that I don't what uh what's it about it's about a famous climber about a guy who they called him a dirt bag because he just sort of like slept anywhere he could and just wanted to climb constantly and you know which who who though or what uh let's Fred Becky oh yeah yeah yeah totally did you ever meet him yeah I've I'd met him and um yeah I mean I know Fred Becky I I haven't seen the uh it's really good do you want a CBD drink this is actually for you if you'd like it uh no I'm okay thanks I don't know what would happen to me oh it's not it's non it's uh not psychoactive it's just 25 milligrams of CBD taste good what happens to you nothing just I I've never had CBD really it's great for inflammation aches and pains I'll take we'll see what happens actually is it bubbly I kind of hate bubbles yeah it's bubbly I don't like bubbles okay it's mine it's got my face on it does it really yeah look there's my face that's your face yeah I designed it this is yeah this flavor is uh I know it's not the best drawing of me it's um see the resemblance but kind well it's me as a pineapple Flaming Joe it's um it's uh jalapeno and pineapple that's right you got UFOs you got the whole thing yeah the whole deal there's a bow and arrow in there somewhere classic yeah there it is there the arrow shooting a pineapple yeah classic no I don't like bubbles which do you don't drink beer or anything no no do you drink alcohol no don't drink alcohol and don't drink soda don't yeah don't don't really drink much wow just water yeah basically you boring [ __ ] what no wine nothing no though I mean I I'll probably drink wine when I'm old or something I going to do it you going to wait um pull up this the the documentary uh of Becky it's really good man and I watched it on a whim one night
um you know I was just flipping through uh iTunes and I just saw it I was like what is this and then I watched a preview of it and I'm like I am um I'm fascinated by people that are really into a thing whatever that ionic class yeah yeah and this guy was just absolutely absorbed with climbing his whole life and never gave a [ __ ] about any money and all he cared about was making these routes and then writing these routes down he had these insanely detailed handwritten notes that he kept in boxes and he had like Stacks and stacks of these notes of all these different places that he climbed and then it's also interesting watching cuz spoiler alert towards the end of the movie he's really old and he can't I mean you look at his body it's incredibly frail and he he just they're still pretty Fit For A 90-year-old you know when you think of it yeah I mean cuz he was still climbing as a 90-year-old but you're sort of like it was pretty impressive what he I mean he was still going into the mountains at like 85 oh yeah so and and they filmed that yeah they filmed him doing that it's just that he couldn't do the things that he used to be able to do but he still loved them yeah he still loved to do those things and you know he had to accept at certain points in time that he just couldn't do it anymore yeah I met him uh at several different events like toward the end of his life basically you know as an 87y old or whatever like yeah and it's it's pretty amazing you'd be like whoa It's the Fred Becky but I mean obviously I've climbed tons of his roots all over the country it's like yeah I mean he's a Visionary for for Lions but I mean but that's exactly what we're trying to sort of preserve through through climbing gold through the podcast that we've been working on it's like um so you know I mean he had that that first Ascent Vision um our actual our second episode which is out right now um is with this woman Joanne arioi who lives in Las Vegas who basically put up all the classic roots in Vegas so she was kind of like Fred Becky on a on a local scale where she's like lived in Vegas her whole life but and and like now Vegas like in Red Rock in particular is like a global climbing destination people come from everywhere to climb there because it's incredible Rock but
in the 70s no one was interested because they thought it was like it's the desert it's too hot it's too Sandy they're like who cares like let's go to E let's go somewhere good and so she and her husband sort of had the the run of the place and they basically put up all these incredible Roots which are now in extremely popular like on a typical weekend day in Red Rock you know in the canyons they probably there's probably no joke a hundred different parties of climbers climbing on different roots of theirs scattered throughout the Canyons wow you know what I mean and so and I think about it because all those climbers are all you know they all started climbed in the gym in La like three years ago basically I mean people coming to to Vegas like a lot of them are road tripping up from La a lot of them started climbing within the last few years and they're climbing these routs and you know they're having an incredible Adventure on the route they're like this is rad we're like CL in this big wall and the Canyons is this cool but they never really think like who put the bolts in like who did this the first time you know because now when you climb a lot of the roots in Red Rock they're like buffed in chalk like all the holds are like have have you know chalk all over them and it's like really obvious where to go and how to climb them and they're like really clean and safe but when they first got put up in like 1974 they were like wild full-on adventures and and largely done by this woman Joanne and so our our second episode is like interviewing her and sort of exploring what it takes to do first as sense and what it takes to have that vision of like we're going to go somewhere totally different and do things that no one's ever done before you know it's just yeah it's interesting how old is Joanne uh she's 7 now oh wow or tur 69 maybe and how old was she when she first started climbing uh I started I guess in University or maybe even in high school I think um I mean it's all in the episode because her whole I mean and that's what's so crazy is that when we're talking to these old school climbers who are like have done incredible things over the last 50 years they all started with these outrageous stories of like oh I hitchhike across the country to go climb this one
mountain with a buddy who I'd like corresponded with by mail you know things like that you know because it's like it's such a different world and nowadays where it's like oh I went to The Climbing gym for a birthday party and I liked it so I kept going and I got a lesson right right right so the birth of the climbing gym you think that's responsible for the escalation of the sport yeah I think that's a huge part of it um and then even also just pop cultur type stuff you know I mean something like film like free solo like obviously popularized a little bit or films like Valley Uprising or the dawn wall or like other sort of relatively mainstream climbing films that reach a broad audience they just bring more people into the sport and then because climbing gyms have become so much popular there's a venue for all those people to to try it you know there's like an access point for the sport and people find it really challenging in terms of like an exercise yeah but also really fun you know it's like it's like all the all the challenge of you know doing CrossFit or something let's say but with you know more maybe more of a social element and also just more like hanging out you know it's like more chill and like easier than something like CrossFit but still like great you know full body workout and toning and all that yeah and the the social aspect is a big factor too right he like just when when you go to a Bouldering Gym most people are just laying on the pads like chitchatting and then every once in a while you get up and you try the boulder problem and you try really hard and then you have to rest again and so I mean it's fundamentally a a relatively chill and social sport you know when you're in the gym like that there's a lot of Jiu-Jitsu guys who got into rock climbing as a a supplemental activity that's funny cuz I know climbers go the other way I know climbers that get in Jiu-Jitsu yeah there's like a small contingent of like high-end climbers that got into cuz it is kind of the same stuff with hands and grappling and like especially with the ghee I would imagine he's that the like holding on and the you know like the kimono like yeah the idea of that you know cuz you you need a lot of grip strength that the noi which is we do like rash cards usually or shorts and
t-shirts is a lot of like Gable grips and hand grips and learning how to grip your hands together as opposed to gripping other people stuff gripping the clothes but the Jiu-Jitsu guys find it like a great supplemental exercise for hand strength and build the whole idea is you know using your own body weight like they they like that idea of it too CU you're it's like weit on it's like a adult gymnastics but more fun and like more relaxed and and like slightly more cool you know like especially right now it's like going through a cool moment where people like oh that's a fun New like sort of edgy thing but not too you know because when I was a kid it edgy but it was like too edgy cuz no one knows what it is and they all think it's weird you know now it's like edgy in a cool way and you're like oh yeah let's go do that it is funny that climbing has been around for so long as a human activity but then as a sport and now as a popular sport it's experienced this Renaissance it's really weird right because it's such a prim like as we said earlier such a primal activity well and and and that's why we did the podcast you I mean that's exactly you know that's exactly the thing cuz we're like yeah it is it is interesting because real technical rock climbing has been going on for more than 100 years but and you know mountain climbing predates that and then like you said as a human activity and people have climbed trees forever for sustenance you know or to escape Predators or whatever else I mean you know it's like yeah I mean climbing is is deeply ingrained in in humans and yet right now it's really cool and you're like all right you know it's like it's an interesting time to explore it it's crazy how things happen like that where they just catch fire and then all of a sudden it's in the public zeist and totally why imagine you know skateboarding snowboarding like other sports have gone through that but I was slightly too young to realize that that was happening when they happened you know cuz I was like a little kid when skateboarding was getting cool and and you know and snowboarding I think is arguably Gone full circle and it's just like not cool anymore no nobody really does it now but really I think so I think if you actually look at numbers snowboarding is is gone way back down
that's kind of interesting so what they see could instead of snowboard well I think snow Sports in general are kind of suffering cuz freaking there's no snow because oh really oh because of global warming yeah well I mean think of like Western like each year it's kind of like oh you know the the resorts didn't open until super late they close super early they have kind of bad snow it's like there have been a bunch of like pretty bad years in the last decade you know that's interesting been expensive Park city has been uh pretty consistent yeah consistently snowy no like Tahoe um I mean I'm from Sacramento in California so I know Tahoe pretty well but um the like the Snow Line is now sort of more like 7,000 ft instead of 6 like the lake is at 6 and now it's like you kind of expect snow going from s up and you're kind of like you know it is slowly sort of drying out you know it's like the resorts just don't have have the kind of snow you'd expect you know we got hit with a giant snowstorm here right in Austin oh yeah dude but that was while I was in the jungle oh really yeah well so funny enough so while I was in the jungle so I came out and I had like a mountain of email and I had an email from my utility in Nevada that was like entitled you know could what happened in Texas happen here and I was like what happened in Texas then I do a little Googling I was like Jesus what happened in Texas and yeah that all happened while I was away and I was like wow that's like that's momentous you know it was wild weak trapped at home yeah well I I have a 1995 Land Cruiser that's like built to drive over anything so I got around there a few stores that were open but the majority of the roads were and my power was not out but some power was out it depends on where you were it's uh some power would come on and go off again they they' cycle it like every few hours but it was uh a weird experience like lines at the supermarket to get in like we had a Wai in line an hour I like is that a CO line or is that an apocalypse line it was apocalypse line it was like people were thinking that this this snowstorm was going to continue for a week and you were you know below freezing for a week pip first in Austin yeah does it normally snow in Austin you wouldn't think so very rarely but it's snowed once this year and it
was cute and everybody's like y it snowed because it was only snowing for a day and then it snowed for a [ __ ] week and it was you know 0 degrees outside every was like holy [ __ ] this is not good there's there apparently four minutes plus from the power grid completely going down because the power grid is not established to deal with a week of that kind of cold yeah it's just not designed that way and it's weird that the Texas power grid is its own Grid it's like why isn't tied into the east or the West you know it's totally stupid that it's independent CU it's Texas they want that's so weird because I mean all all systems are more robust when they're tied into more things you know what I mean yeah it's like I mean realistically it should be tied into both and then you'd actually have a National Grid and the whole system would be more stable well hopefully now they'll recognize that it's possible for it to freeze for a [ __ ] week but the concept of global warming is interesting because it's like yeah overall it is warming but clim CH in because it's more like more variability yeah exactly yeah where it's like when you get your whole season rainfall and two big storms that basically like dump a ton of rain it's like that's not good for anybody you know like even if the numbers wind up like oh we had you know this much rain this season but all came at once and it washed the whole Mountain Side away you're kind of like they're starting to build these uh electric exploring Vehicles like electric Adventure Vehicles which is pretty interesting like there's a company called I think it's called revon R dude I'm sponsored by rivan are you really yeah yeah oh cool yeah and rivan uh they support my Foundation like work that my Foundation does with solar seen wild well it's cuz they don't exist yet oh yeah they're they're shipping to customers in uh like two months or something like that oh interesting yeah yeah rivan um did you see um there they goes yeah there you go look at that what does it say what's the tagline keep the world adventurous forever that's a dope looking truck I was that's a dope looking series of rocks right there you're so into it it's so funny yeah so these pickup trucks are fully electric yeah so I've driven uh I've driven them for photo shoots it's
like dude so awesome yeah imagine so great I drove my Tesla here Tesla is apparently their their cyber truck goes into production very soon and there um there's another oh GM GM has you know they used to have that stupid Hummer well now they reinvented the Hummer and it's an electric incredible off-road Adventure vehicle is it actually commercially available yet it's not idea it's not but it's going to be and it has 1,000 horsepower and it has a full like skid plate underbelly it's fully designed like for legitimate off off-road use I'm like I think I'm more into rivan I'm like I feel like that's a bit much you know well not just they pay me but also um it's a little bit of the the design ethos behind it like basically like like rivan has a like Second Life Application in mind for their batteries you know like like they design the battery packs knowing that eventually they won't be in vehicles anymore and they will be used for say like grid scale storage and things like that it's like one of the projects that rivan is working with my foundation on is this micro Grid in Puerto Rico and it's like the idea is that you know I mean so rivan has a 100,000 uh electric delivery Vans ordered from Amazon already so like in theory they're providing 100,000 Vans to Amazon for connected to Amazon right as Amazon is one of the investors yes um not Founders they just basically just pre-ordered a shitload of Vans they need electric vans and so you know just right there you know that eventually there'll be a pipeline of 100,000 used van batteries going offline in like 10 15 years or whatever and so the way you design those battery packs matters because you know in 10 years you're going to have to reuse them for something either recycle them or reuse them for something else and like rivian's put a lot of thought into how it it will eventually reuse its batteries and um you know I don't really know about about Tesla batteries and I would just assume assum the GM is probably like that's almost certainly not built into their brand in the same way you know what I mean GM is just kind of like oh the Hummer is like a brand that people already care about let's just like revamp it with electricity now because it's cooler oh it's a completely
redesigned thing though the the way they've done it I know what you're saying but the way they've done it is it's more um in some ways of a um expression of the possibilities of Technology because they've they've Incorporated all sorts of Cate like it can like do you need a th000 freaking horsepower and like offer CS that's like a tank you know you don't but the idea is that it can do things because of that horsepower that perhaps it wouldn't be able to do like go up a vertical wall yeah literally if you hit it with enough speed well it can crab walk it's designed as a feature what that means is like in certain things where it's almost impossible to gain traction this thing can actually go like this and crab walk it's it's it's a it's actually like you can set it it's a crab walk setting and you press it and it'll do the the crab walk thing for see if you can find that it's pretty wild the video of hum Hummer 2021 Hummer crabwalk they're not released yet but I think they're really soon and then um another thing I want you to look up after that Jamie there's a new startup that I think is Austin based that has developed a new kind of battery or they're in the process of developing a new kind of battery that has a 1,500 mile uh range to it so this is this thing like see so this is what it looks like see it's not outrageous looking but they have two different models and one of them the roof comes off so the the entire top of where the passengers are comes off so this is obviously CGI so the when it gets to I guess we'd have to watch the whole thing so when it gets to some place where it's having a difficult time see how it's doing that it got it went sideways to get through that little did it actually do that it was hard to tell like that's the kind of thing that no human driver though would ever try to take their truck through something like that oh they definitely do though these people do this for fun no no this is all CGI like right I'll believe that stuff when someone's actually driving their real Hummer cuz also there's that's not even that's for sure just a pose truck you know what I mean like a rivan sports spokesperson this uh well I mean actually if anything I'm
saying this more because I've worked with rivian through their whole design process is that you know I've done photo shoots with them where we were driving like the prototype truck and so it's all like a carbon fiber frame like it's not the real production like metal truck it's just like a one-off like model and uh it was pretty crazy because the engine like it's still uh it's still had a lot of get up and go you know it still feels like a rocket ship but the seat belts were held on by velcro it's all just ornamental you know to like make it look good for like an auto show like none of it's like Road safe or or like legal or anything we're just using it for like photo shoots on on dirt roads but like it's pretty crazy like one of the shoots we did uh all the electronics were being controlled by an iPad and there's an engineer like laying down behind the seat in the back using the iPad to like keep the suspension working and keep everything like working properly because because you know it's like a model oneoff like demonstration and you're kind of like anything you know I I don't know that much about cars but you assume that something that's like not in production yet is for sure like that you know it's like some mockup model until it's actually being built prope something that has that much technology totally where it's like actually brand new as soon as you start my new features like that that don't technically exist yet you're kind of like you know that there's some engineer in the backseat frantically pushing buttons being like come on baby work this time work this time exactly like like when El Elon Musk had the new Cyber truck and they windows it's chatter exactly exactly yeah the um this see if you can find this startup because what they're going to be able to do is instead of charging your battery um you know it goes 1500 miles and then swap they can swap it out in 90 seconds and it's got 15,000 miles of range or 1500 miles of range rather which is uh pretty incredible I mean no I'm I'm all for like better solution to this problem you know and the apparently the the energy storage capacity of this particular type of battery whether or not it's actually exists or it's vaporware is uh substantially better because the the new Tesla plaid which is their new model S
why why is it plaid what is that crazy I don't know but does it mean plaid like the material I I just what he calls it doesn't look plaid this is the company yeah okay ample um and so this company I I read an article about it actually this morning and this company is going to they'll be able to swap out your battery in 90 seconds so is this it modular battery swapping and so it just kind of puts it back in place and then you're good to go so like you'll pull into a place they'll take out your battery deliver 100% charge in minutes if nothing else at least their CGI looks way better you know it's like cuz obviously none of this actually exists yet either so it's like modeling but at least it looks really good you're like oh this that's the problem is with a lot of this stuff is like I've met a lot of these startup guys and they they want to sell it so hard not this particular but other Technologies he just like hey how much of this can you do and how much of this are you just trying to get funding for totally I'm I'm kind of into it though because I feel like if everyone just keeps pushing as hard as they can at the thing they're interested in you do wind up with good ideas you know I mean like Teslas are great and they've done like great things for you know like I'm realistically the faster Humanity can transition to electrics or basically transition away from fossil fuels the better and so it's like the more interested people with good is the better Porsche has developed fuel for their internal combustion engines that is completely clean and it has less environmental impact than electric cars do what's the clean I mean what do you mean zero idea I just glanced at this I read the first paragraph of this new fuel that they've developed here it is Porsche is working on synthetic fuel to make uh internal combustion cars as clean as EVS it's a hydrogen based fuel be ready to testing for testing in 2022 including the new Porche 911 GT3 Cup race car I'm pretty sure that so far uh you know biofuels and things like that haven't really lived up to the hype that's why and so yeah it is one of those things where you're like oh if it totally plays out and it works then like great let's like move forward with it as
quickly as possible but you're kind of like ah you know seems like electricity is probably the better option overall oh for sure but in in Porsche's defense F they have been at the front lines of making cleaner uh exhaust fumes to the point where the 911 Turbo if it moves through like uh I saw this on Top Gear they were saying that if it went through a polluted place like whether it's a downtown LA or Kata making the air cleaner the air is cleaner coming out than that's awesome it's pretty wild yeah that that's cool their ultimate goal is to De develop internal combustion engine fuel that is just completely clean so there's no impact speaking of this kind of thing uh I did uh Jay Leno's Garage the other day I don't know if you ever like met him or seen yeah yeah it's pretty classic it's awesome and uh did you tour the garage and stuff like yeah it's totally insane he's got 11 of those garages by the way well what do you mean he's got 11 buildings oh yeah but they're all connected right but he's got more of them like I don't know if you've saw it all of them that guy has the most insane car collection I've ever seen in my life but yeah it was well yeah definitely the most insane thing I've ever seen because like I don't you know I don't know any car collectors I was like what the [ __ ] this is insane but uh but the my takeaway from so the tour that we had from one of his uh you know his helpers basically gave us this pretty cool tour of of of the garages and uh he said it was something like 160 something in cars 180 something in motorcycles and it's like through all of human history you know it's like from 1890 type or like 1905 but my takeaway was that there were so many interesting false starts and sort of dead ends in technology where you have like a steam engine car and then the ones that I keep thinking about are the 1950s like jet turbine cars there were like cars with jets in them from the 50s yeah when like turbine engines were like a cool new thing for for Aerospace and they're like let's do it in a car and you're like well that obviously didn't play out because I've never seen like a jet car going by me on the highway but you know I think it's cool that the humans have explored so many different avenues like that you know it's like when you have a new
technology you kind of have to try every different version of it and like see what actually works you know Henry Ford had made hemp uh fenders and hemp bodied cars in the early 1900s it's kind of too bad that didn't take off [ __ ] yeah and where he literally there's a demonstration where he's bouncing a hammer off of them cuz if you ever [ __ ] with hemp you ever like felt like eat it a little bit Yeah the the wood itself is it's incredible where it's really light like balsa wood but it's really hard like this table it's hard like but really light and um when they they can make like hemp cre like a concrete with like ground up hemp that is supposed to be incredibly fire resistant really has high insulation values but for cars like I don't know why it didn't take off probably because of the the problems with marijuana illegalization back you needed a tax stamp to grow hemp in the 1930s because of the prohibition but they developed this and there's a cool video of him demonstrating the durability of these fenders I think it's a Model T and he's got a [ __ ] hammer and he's bouncing it off of this Fender see if you can find that CU it's pretty wild to see but that was one of the false starts of innovation that just for whatever reason you know never kick back up again or think of or think of early electrics you know like the very first cars were split with electrics but then Battery Technology wasn't there and it just wasn't and then there was a documentary called Who Killed the Electric Car well but that was like in the '90s but I mean like 1905 you know like the original cars were like how interesting the world would be if it had gone all electric at the beginning instead of having a century of of internal combustion engine cars you know I mean think of like Urban Air Pollution and stuff if there had just never been internal combustion cars right not not that I'm like condemning that because obviously you know for tractors and and all kinds of uses you know diesel Yeah well yeah yeah I mean there are plenty of great things about internal combustion cars and like you know I drive one you know it's it's like Mobility is important but you're sort of like it would be interesting if Humanity taken a fully different path down that
road sure no it is you know I actually talked to Elon about Tesla's idea of broadcasting electricity through the sky that was one of the thing oh this it okay his hemp car from 1941 so this was a car that I guess it's not a model TI like what is that 1941 I mean some what I don't know what it is but look he's bouncing a [ __ ] Hammer off of this whatever this this thing is made out of look at this pretty crazy right also I'm like how do you how have you seen this before and how do you remember it me oh I don't know man also I mean that only has 6,000 views you're like that's that's weird my memory is weird it's good and terrible at the same time like sometimes I forget people it's like a junk drawer you just have all kinds of like interesting [ __ ] in there that's a good way to describe it it's a perfect way to describe it yeah but um Elon was talking about um Tesla's idea Nicola Tesla's idea of Westinghouse put the kabash on it but he wanted to develop these towers to broadcast electricity the same way radio waves were were broadcast and is that uh is that possible it is possible but he goes it would have made Electronics impossible it would have ruined the idea of computing and all all the other things that we developed through Electronics because you have to think of back then electricity was just the lights just basically had the lights on and you had like a refrigerator like if you even had a refrigerator like that yeah not not yet so his idea would have been great but if it had beened it would have completely stifled the concept of electronics and computers yeah all that [ __ ] in the air would have just cooked everything huh or Computing would just be a totally different different thing yeah they would have to figure a new way around it really really fast abuses you know like little like you know uh steam tubes like moving things up and down on the counter super fast it's really wild how Rel relatively fast things have moved because in our lifetime we we recognize that things move fast but they seem normal it seems normal to have an iPhone honestly it feels slow as it happens in your life doesn't it it's like oh you know like doesn't it a little bit I don't know um the only thing that feels a little slow to me is
virtual reality because i' I've I assumed that would be way ahead of it's pretty cool right now but I assumed it would be like impossible to detect by now that it would be like you put this thing on and you'd be like in this new world yeah it's not quite there I'm supposed to be shooting a VR climbing thing this year oh wow and I'm I'm pretty psyched for it I think it'll be cool but uh yeah does one exist currently not really so the guy that I'm working uh with it on uh shot an Everest VR experience so like he went to the summit of Mount Everest and VR and it's these totally incredible episodes and that's actually cuz I'd always felt like it wasn't that cool and then he sent me the headset and and his episodes like the content that he' made and was like watch this and then I did it in my living room and I was like I was fully Blown Away super immersive which is is pretty impressive in a way because you know I'm like a pretty Discerning viewer of climbing content you know and I was still fully into it I was like this is this is crazy and I've like read so many books about Everest and things in my life but then to do the VR experience and actually feel I'm there I was like this is this is incredible anyway so I was like I'm on board like I'm totally going to do a project with him did it make you want to go to Everest I mean yeah little I mean really I like oh it's pretty cool isn't it funny that even a guy like you who has done all these experiences loves climbing still look at climbing ever it's like [ __ ] what's that all about well it's like I I would be I mean I like climbing things and you know if it's the tallest thing to climb you're like oh that's cool I'm just sort of turned off by the the crowd you know the popularity the like it's just too too commercial basically you know what I think I'd lied to you I don't think this has any bubbles in it oh no sorry no it's fine drank it yeah it's it's all part of your plan how do I not know that doesn't have any bubbles in it also had you just drank the other one yeah you just didn't I just didn't think I just assumed it had bubbles in it or maybe you're so desensitized carbonated yeah I just drink so much carbonated stuff you just don't know the difference I don't know I don't think it's
carbonated sounded carbonated when you opened it does it that's true it did have that satisfying like right but if you like look at how it comes out it doesn't come out like bubbles see uh how's it look in the how's it look in the can this just mildly carbonated oh yeah no it's it's bubbly as [ __ ] I know but it doesn't taste carbonated doesn't look like juice no that just means your throat is so desensitized to Bubbles you can't tell the difference maybe you've been you know what is I drink Zia a lot you ever you know I don't know what that is anything with bubbles I like bubbles it's a soda that's sweetened with uh Stevia huh it's great it's really good for you it's like it's you know I mean it's not as good for you as water yeah like this water's pretty good for close it's pretty close you're in the neighborhood stevia's you know Stevia natural sweetener yeah no I don't know carbonated just but very mildly there's a rumor there's a new uh Apple headset coming out that's going to be lighter than a iPhone really might make viewing these things easier better I don't know the word that it would be but like more IM cumbersome but isn't the issue really uh yeah immersiveness is the issue and and also programming the real issue is like getting people to develop these experi yeah to make the content which right now I think is pretty hard because I don't think the the market like the market for something like Call of Duty is spectacular right like there's so many people play those kind of games or fortnite I mean these markets are immense yeah but the markets for VR are relatively small comparatively but that's also because nobody has the headsets yet I mean that's so chicken in the egg CU like once there's great content more people will get it but but you know which has to come first well we've had headsets for years though we've had we had the HTC Vive three or four years ago we have Oculus now just today I just saw that Doom 3 is now available in VR on Playstation so like how dare they how dare they how fun does that sound I mean I bet it's crazy these [ __ ] can you play multiplayer you have a bunch of people GES buping into each other well you know what you do um you you get a uni
unidirectional treadmill and It Bolts you have you seen how they do that no it's wild yeah they um pull that up Jamie VR with unidirectional treadmill unidirectional treadmills essentially you have like a halo around your waist and it's got these cables that connect you to like these the circular post that goes around you and then on you on the ground rather what you're standing on is uh this circular treadmill that's self-propelled like have you ever do you run it all I mean I have yeah there's a a thing called air Runner where you are it's it's like 15% % harder in my old Studio I had one it's 15% harder than running on a treadmill because you're actually propelling the treadmill keeping up excuse me 15% harder than regular running not not just running on a running on a treadmill is a little bit easier than regular running so this this uh idea of these omnidirectional treadmills these people are on these things and you're you're actually moving them so as it's you see how that guy's running yeah see how it works there so you're running into this VR World Shooting things I wonder if uh Gamers will be less into it if they actually feel worked after playing for an hour or two sure you I mean cuz if you're actually running through all those games for like two hours you'd be like oh my God I'm so pooped it really depends on if the juice is worth a squeeze so if you have a game that is as wild as Doom right especially the new Doom what what what number is the new Doom five they they stopped calling it numbers again right who was the dude that we had on that was the Doom guy that worked on Doom and he showed us like the most immersive Hugo yes Hugo Martin Hugo Martin came in here and the the it's so wild like it's so gory and crazy like you're pulling heads out of people and stuff and it's but if you're in if you get to a point where a game like that if you have an omnidirectional treadmill and you they you know comes with some sort of like a gun that feels like a gun that has some heft to it and you can actually shoot things but if it has heft to then you get worked after an hour playing so it's like yeah but then you get in shape like you know how people plays Dance Dance Revolution you know a lot of people lost a lot of weight playing that game yeah
it's a it's famous for it for people who are just Gamers who like would love to go to the you know the amusement park and whatever it is arcade and put money in and play Dance Dance Revolution they got obsessed with it and they they lost like shitloads away because it's cardio cuz you're doing this [ __ ] I know actually uh uh my has have been playing VR games uh something called beat saer I think we're basically using like a lightsaber to like cut blocks but it's kind of the same deal where it's like quite there's a lot of mve yeah a lot of movement yeah it's totally it's pretty classic to see my father-in-law like sweating while he's like chopping blocks in virtual reality and it keeps you in shape John karmac who is he speaking of Doom he actually designed Doom the original Doom for ID software he worked for Oculus when the last time we saw him and came into the studio that's he gave us an Oculus and and showed us he's an expert at this thing like he he's a martial artist too and so he's like really got great hand eye coordination and he he has his ramped up to expert level and so he's these these [ __ ] things are coming out con he's moving around like this I'm like my God he's like it's actually quite a workout I'm like yeah I think so like it's like your Shadow Boxing in the air against like five people that's what it looks like there's another thing they do too that's uh speaking of Shadow Boxing they have these boxing games and that's one of those that Dana White was uh advertising recently CU not even advertising just saying that he did it so you put on the uh Oculus headset and you have these little uh hand things you hold on to no you need the headset to constrict so it feels like you're getting punched in the head over and over right haptic feedback but you do get a flash of white like when you get hit when the glove hits so you flash like so it so it actually does would kind of feel like it kind of without the pain but the workout is intense cuz you're really throwing your hands like you're boxing someone huh yeah yeah well the VR thing if you know we're supposed to be doing this year it would be more like a film that you you know it's less like a game and you're just like watching something in VR so you don't
move at all um well you can move as much as you want like looking around right you know but um but basically you're you're sort of experiencing a climb from you know Bird's I view where you can either watch somebody climbing through the frame or like look at the mountains and see the exposure and see the scener all that so will they see your hands reach up and grab all the RO no no so they would see me climb through the frame basically they'd be able to watch like an entire climb from a certain perspective oh okay so like uh the perspective of a drone like something hovering and watching yeah though it can't be hovering because that's the thing what you're talking about with software um for VR for like full 360 video you can't really do it from you kind of have to have it on a wall I think so it's like bolt in place to be more stable CU I think the challenge of like watching things in VR is that um people get really motion sick if if the whole frame of reference is moving non-stop so ideally you have the filming sort of stationary and then interesting things happening around you so that you feel like you're stable when you're watching it but you can see other things happen around you you know what I'm saying because like if you did POV and VR it would make you super motion sick because then when you're the viewer everything would be rushing all around you at all times you'd be like holy [ __ ] I feel like I'm G to die you know but if we like a lot of people get really emotion sick in VR like my wife is like full hard no like won't won't do like there's a company called sandbox and they have these warehouses set up and uh you do these VR experiences and they have this one that I'm obsessed with called Deadwood mansion and uh I had uh third place in the world at one point in time in this uh zombie killing game it's [ __ ] wild man you're in this zombie experience where you're in this haunted house and zombies come falling out of the ceiling they come running at you there's rats that run at you if you have to shoot them it's wild [ __ ] but it gives you a a taste of what it's going to be like cuz this is you're actually moving around so you have a haptic feedback vest you have the the the headsets on and they give you plastic guns and then you're running
around shooting zombies and you bump into each other and [ __ ] like my whole family does it that's like uh this is like the new version of laser tag it's like why do you laser tag when you can actually like do crazy zombie killing missions yeah and it's pretty graphically intensive like when the zombies attack you you see red like when they scratch at you you see like splatters in front of your face like the idea is that they're getting you and you feel it in your chest cuz you have a haptic feedback vest on I didn't realize the haptic feedback was like so far along they so developed it's not that good it's not that cool yet it's good but you feel like like you you get zapped a little bit it doesn't hurt but you're recognizing that something's happening and it just sort of accentuates the experience yeah it's all like ready player one soon yeah that's the future of it all that's coming man that's coming without a doubt and then we're [ __ ] well or or then it'll like that'll be the norm and then the cool thing will be to do things in real life you it be like oh [ __ ] that guy actually climbs that's cool yeah exactly that guy touches real Rock doesn't that hurt his fingers real people yeah yeah yeah right so but you know the things that have like real physical limitations like you're actually under the the the influence of real gravity as opposed to just flying around yeah totally yeah I'm analog I'm an analog guy man I'm not out there in your digital world yeah it took me a really long time to get a smartphone and you know I was like a total late adopter and I'm like I'll be I'll probably be was David blae the guy who got you your first smartphone no not first uh I think he got me my second I think I forget what the deal was but I think I met him and he was like what is that cuz that pulled out some like ancient you know thing and he was like WTF and he just like went to the Mac store and got me a phone classic like why were you carrying around a flip phone well no I just uh it may even been a smartphone but it was like really old you know I don't know we were like having lunch and I was like oh yeah this thing is like a piece of junk and he was like I'm going to fix that and he just like fixed it it was funny though
because in classic magician style he didn't like make it appear he just went to the Apple Store and was like Ding and then he made it appear did you want that I mean it's not I was well like we were we were like doing errands around New York City and it just I don't know it took them like 20 minutes apparently in in I don't know there's some like VIP Apple thing it was like weird he just like walked in it happened I was like crazy really there's a VIP Apple thing apparently well or at least at the one store in downtown Manhattan or something oh maybe he's got like a like had a guy or something I have no idea but like you're not broke like is that something that you wanted but didn't go ahead and buy or it was like a while back and and I just you know I don't know it's like I don't care what do you should see my phone right now why what kind of phone do you have I was like show me what do you got everyone makes fun of it now but it's a it's the uh it's the original it's it's the old SE no no that's uh that's like the five or the six or something I think these are great well the case is for mountain biking but no but the phone is just like you know what's great it's so easy to text exactly that's the thing it's really easy to use one-handed and the main thing for me is that it stays under my leg loop on a harness like it fits in your pocket little I know EXA look how little exactly when you see the screen it's so it's the screen is smaller than my thumb well I mean there you go see that's crazy yeah it's easy to use oh yeah super easy to use but how's the battery on this thing though it's it's fine yeah it's like I don't know actually I started um it's been really suffering recently but I think it's uh because I started using a whooop because they also sponsor the podcast and I think the [ __ ] kills the battery more because it's like constantly Bluetooth yeah exactly it's using Bluetooth also that thing's ancient as [ __ ] and whoop is designed for like new phones yeah exactly yeah whoop is designed for the Ferrari of phones and I've got the uh yeah you've got an Edo know you should get um one of the minis have you seen I know I thought about it I thought about it but then I'm like it still works like why bother you know oh you're one of those guys well I just wait until it
dies you know but how wait not what not you know oh look at you that's nice but they recycle those yeah I'll get there eventually I guess you could sell it to somebody who's not dude so classic story two days 3 days ago something I was climbing with a friend of mine in Red Rock we were doing this big solo link up where we traversed like a bunch of Peaks and we were both soling by ourselves and um he'd been making fun of my phone all day he had like the brand new 12 Max Plus Mega Pro or whatever it's called you know it's like a small iPad or whatever it's like this giant phone and like crazy camera looks great whatever and uh and we were down climbing this route so like we were traversing I've been working on this Traverse of the whole Red Rock range have you you've been to Red Rock right outside of Vegas I've only driven buy it I've never youve never gone hiking in Red Rock all your time in Vegas you've never hiked in the mountains there dude you got to do it once dude I'll do it okay yeah when you're in yeah no text me I'll like take you on dude I can take you on an adventure in Red Rock take me on adventure dude the thing about uh Vegas is usually when I'm there I'm just there for the fights and it's a usually a six to seven hour experience that I'm commentating one day was eight cuz we had 15 fights yeah but this past weekend it's like six but they're in the evening right go out in the morning do a little nature thing it'll keep you nice fly in in the morning especially during Co and then I fly and I land at like 1 the first fight's at 4: that's how it usually works well if you ever have time hit me up we'll do an adventure in Red Rock next time there's no Co I I'll fly in on Friday because I'll probably wind up doing a gig out there when CO's when everybody's so yeah when it's chill yeah yeah so anyway Red Rock all these Peaks beautiful Peaks I've been working on a Traverse of all the Peaks like up and over each one type thing it's like a fun backyard project so I'm going to um it's quite challenging um just like piece it's a really complicated terrain with like crazy fluted Sandstone towers and like how you get over one to the next and like how you connect them and so a friend was doing a little section of it with me just to like piece
together some of the fun climbing and we were down climbing this Classic route so the two of us are both soline and we had like summited the peak via the other side and we were coming down this like Classic route that people normally climb it's like a really famous climbing route and there was this woman climbing up below us and my friend was like oh damn it his phone just fell out of his pocket his giant new 12 plus Mega whatever it fell out and it bounced off the wall and this woman caught it like 30 ft below him she she was like climbing she like just plays a piece of gear you know she has a rope and everything it's all normal and it just like bounced and then she just snagged it out of the air saved his phone for him and then as we down climbed she just gave her right back to him and then we just carried on but so then the whole lady's badass I know it was it was really impressive I would want to be friends with her toally that's like a person who comes through in the clutch dude it was it was very impressive but you my takeaway was that it helps to have a phone that doesn't fall out of your freaking pocket cuz it's so big you know I was like my phone's never just falling out well it seems like he's got a stupid case or just not handling his phone correctly I think I think his pocket was just a little tight and then it's just a big phone you know so it's like easy to like put it in but it's not quite all the way in and then and then you know when you're down climbing obviously you're moving your legs a bunch and it just fell out I have the middle ground I have the regular regular one that's the uh that's the regular 12 oh this is yeah but like look at look at the it's quite a bit bigger yeah this guy could like live inside yours you know yeah the mini though is pretty close to yours it's slightly larger but it's all screen that's probably what I'll go to eventually yeah but you know may as well wait for this to Die the the main complaint about the mini is the battery life is horrible oh yeah yeah oh sad but I mean I'm sure it's better than yours that's actually probably true yeah that's funny it's like it's horrible battery life it's twice as good as what you have but it's horrible it probably is literally twice as good as what you have we'll see yeah I'm sort of I mean
everything keeps working and so I'm like you know why mess with something that works yeah I think the batter is like I think you can use it full stop all day like you could play four hours of video on it and it'll eventually die whereas these things are like eight hours or something really yeah who's going to watch eight hours of video on ph guess well it's just like that's that's a lot of time on your phone people that hate their job and they pretend they're working and just watch YouTube all day yeah if you're work in security or something you're just like at a desk and you just like have you know you have one earbud in you're just like listening to a show it's under the desk and you're just like uhhuh uh-huh sign the form uh-huh you know and you barely paid attention yeah there's a lot of that going on in this life that's that makes me a little bit sad I mean I know I know you're right but you're also kind of like that's too bad it is well especially coming from a guy like you that does exactly what he wants to do with his life you know that's that's where when you see people living unfulfilled lives it's kind of sad this morning at hotel I was uh reading my book you know I was eating by myself and just like reading and uh the server came over to be like what are you reading it's so interesting to see someone reading a book not on their phone I was like huh that makes me slightly sad in a way but also you know I was like I'm reading this book fate of food Sor someone could be reading a book on their phone too do that make her sad no I know it's funny because I've thought about I've tried to get into e-reading stuff like you know the Kindle or on the phone and I've just uh it doesn't really take you know because I feel like they're so many other distractions right there it's hard to really get immersed in your book when like you know with a double click of your thumb something like more exciting pops up you know what I mean I get what you're saying with the phone I get what you're saying but with I like Kindles because they they have that flat white surface where it really does look like paper I forget what the tech technology is called but it looks great yeah no I I know store hundred books on I know no it is it is definitely like it makes sense it's practical but I just
find that I I read more with physical books a certain point you just the medium that and it the tacti feedback and honestly the sense of progress they're like oh I'm working through this thing and when I finish it I set it down you know like that kind of like there's a satisfaction in like working through a thick book that that a Kindle I mean in some ways the Kindle feels like this insurmountable thing because it's like you have the whole complete works of Shakespeare on there and you're like you literally could be clicking away at it for the rest of your life and never actually finish anything and you're like damn that's true it's like it's like Infinity whereas if like you're working way through a library cabin a shelf yeah I mean it's kind of satisfying to be like oh I finished this stack of books and also with books I like give them to my friends afterward give to other people you pass them around like you know share the ideas but with the Kindle it's like yeah you have the you know all of human knowledge on one tiny I mean eventually we will have probably all of human knowledge on like one little tiny tablet you know but it's just it's almost like too much it's overwhelming well what's really scary is that the tech technology that we're utilizing whether it's with solid state drives or hard drives or what have you if something happened if there was like an immense solar flare and it killed the Grid or killed a large percentage of the population we could conceivably lose most of human knowledge like if you think about what we have written down versus what we have stored in our minds the disparity is astronomical right there's very little stored in our minds and so on hard drives that if something big happened some huge reset super volcano that kind of [ __ ] asteroid impact that kills 50% of the population think uh do you think that's true right now because I feel like most most things right now are still written down in physical form I can see what you're saying like 20 or 30 years from now you would expect that if digital devices were wiped out that Humanity would lose an immense amount of knowledge but right now I'm sort of like oh I feel like we're still sort of on the edge we like most things that are
really important still get written down in physical form in some way of no I think most things are in digital form particularly most things pertaining to digital forms yeah and business like all things business are digital how about the entire economy yeah yeah and but I think the real thing would be all of the information that's that you know in regards to like how they constructed these solid state drives how they constructed these motherboards what you bet some of that's written down you hope but like you're not doing it and I'm not do I don't know but presumably whoever is doing it wrote down an instruction manual just in case well Jamie's more technologically astute than both of us maybe what do you think yes and no but if it's written down one person maybe wrote it what language is it in is it legible do they write it in pencil if it gets wet does it like turn a pulp and now it's gone if how many of these books are available and where are they stored yeah we still don't know what was lost in library Alexandria kind of things disappeared never going to be able to figure back out again where did those heads come from they probably lost the instruction manuals for the pyramids well they did like literally the Library of Alexandria that's where they believe they stored the historical works of how the pyramids were constructed if because there's really no work anywhere that that depict there's some I believe there's some hieroglyphs that depict one or two methods of moving Stone but that's it but you know when you get something like the great pan of Giza that's 2,300,000 stones that they weigh between I think two and 80 tons are the the the SI I think I think the smallest ones might be like a half a ton and the largest are like 80 tons in the king's chamber there's some M and some of them some of them they cut they cut from a quarry that was hundreds of miles away like what did you do who who [ __ ] mapped this out how did you get it so perfect and we don't know we have to guess armies of human labor a just that because you can get armies of human labor and you're not going to get that kind of precision because if you're off even slightly when you get to the top of
the 2,300,000 stones you're going to be way off so it's not then you AR up with the balcony you you're like oh that one sticks out a little bit you're like damn it you're like no no it's a design feature well not only that it was originally covered in smooth Limestone like oh yeah yeah the that that eroded away well they stole it when they they when they um when they uh built Cairo they like you know how the outside of the uh pyramid is all Jagged and [ __ ] up that's not what it was it was completely smooth I know was yeah it was completely smooth and then you know people don't respect the past especially people or they're like look at this giant pile of rock that we can use to build our home they're like perfect somebody already piled it here for us it wasn't a pile of rock at the time though it was a smooth surface well totally but like if it's not fulfilling a purpose and you're like better purpose would be building my home you know it's like you can see how that stuff gets gets ped well there was also a long history of robbing these tombs and robbing these sites and and a lot of money especially when dealing with extreme poverty and you can dig a hole in the ground and find a [ __ ] golden sarcophagus that's worth more money than your family ever spend for the rest of your life dude could you imagine you're out like digging an irriation ditch in your field or something you find a golden sarcophagus you're like well some of the stuff that they found in Egypt some of the most spectacular [ __ ] they really did just find you know like um the where they found uh Tutton common where his uh site was that some I think it was a kid that was carrying water noticed that there was like this weird sort of like curved or or sharp edge and so he starts kicking it and moving it around and then they realized like hey this is a an actual stone that was carved and put into this position and then they clear it out more and next thing you know they discover the tomb of King Tut and then that little kid's like yeah no they probably killed that kid shut your mouth you didn't know [ __ ] I mean probably did actually probably yeah but that's that's the thing about the Library of Alexandria is that that could conceivably be like all the information that we have about Bitcoin or about you
know honestly if it goes It goes you know like like uh I feel like that might when we were talking about sort of so societal like non-starters and interesting paths that technology goes like I kind of think that cryptocurrency is like maybe not going to be one of the winning paths but we'll see well we'll see long term but I think it's growing in popular I know but it's incredibly energy intensive to do something it's like you're basically Reinventing a system in a more energy intensive way which doesn't really make sense CU in general most Technologies get more and more decentralized that's the the appeal decentralized but but it uses way more material you know what I mean like it basically uses because all the data processing all the number crunching like basically the amount of power and like infrastructure required to make it work is far more than than like currency you know I don't know if that's true because I think all currency requires data crunching now doesn't require not like crypto because I mean the whole thing about blockchain is you have a crazy I mean that's the whole point but all banking all almost all currency well but banking though would exist Bing the whole like financial sector would exist whether it's you know on on normal currencies or cryptocurrency because either way like Banking and trading and all that kind of stuff would be happening in something but I'm just talking about like printing money and distributing money versus like generating cryptocurrency you know I don't know because I've heard estimates that that sounds right but you have to print paper currency which means you got to use water right there's a whole lot of yeah it's almost double according to the thing I'm looking at right now says uh the energy use of Fiat versus crypto is like double what Bitcoin is yeah that would make sense to me I wonder what electrical grid and know it's a lot like per unit of currency or whatever I think so yeah I don't know we'll see but either way um if the power goes out and they can't figure out I mean all crypto's gone forever you know yeah the power goes out if hard drive stop working and I mean there's going to be people that remember how to build houses there's going to be people that remember how to make you mean there's
ways to build generators that work off of the flow of rivers like my friend uh Steve Rell that I was talking about earlier he has a cabin in Alaska and the electricity is powered by water flow from a river you know they have one of those situations you can I mean that's all people are going to remember how to do that kind of stuff but when it comes presumbly the people that wrote the algorithms for blockchain you know Bitcoin type stuff some of them probably remember how to do that again too some of them might not make it and we're talking about half the population dead wait are we doing zombie apocalypse doing some sort of a natural dis thought we doing solar flare that wipes out Electronics is going to kill a lot of people the big ones yeah something big like some sort of uh hypernova in a distant Galaxy how about we do two-thirds of the people just to make it more edgy that's scarier and then a third come back zombies well if we do 2/3 of the people the problem is what third lives the really their bunkers the ones that were all in their like prepper hole the ones that are walking around Barefoot developing thick calluses at the bottom of their feet no those guys don't even notice anything happened I mean they were like oh it's really bright for a day and whatever and then they go back to like planting their cassava fields and they just like live their normal life I'm not talking about those guys I'm talking about the fake guys that are out there glamping Preppers those guys they probably not they probably won't make it ironically people will come and pillage their prepper caches I just think that we do have a lot of our knowledge in these um these digital forums that if you know we had to reinvent Society again like according to people that study history and you know we know that human beings have survived multiple uh Extinction events there's been many times where like there they humans have yeah what do you mean human beings got down to I think it was uh 7,000 people at one point in time after a super volcano in um uh where was that but you're talking about like original human populations coming out of africa, people 60,000 years ago rather somewhere in that range human beings got down to about 7,000
people um I want to say it was New Guinea somewhere like there there was a some massive a Toba catastrophe is what it was that is that the one you're talking about right I think so yeah what how many years ago with that you put it up Onre 75,000 years ago yeah that's it yeah 75,000 years ago people got down to like almost nothing how human beings almost vanished from the earth 70,000 years ago there you go cck on that though it also is labeled the controversial catastrophes which it's NPR I trust NPR all all of uh s bill human beings on Earth um keep scrolling keep scrolling yeah super volcano Toba okay um 70,000 BC a volcano called Toba Sumatra that's where it is in Indonesia went off uh blowing roughly 650 miles of vaporized rock into the air it's the largest volcanic eruption that we know of dwarfing everything else and uh scroll down so the idea is that human beings got down to I think in the neighborhood of 7 to 10,000 people so the part on Top it says that the one study says it could have been as low as 40 reprod reproducing adults or breeding pairs which means 80 people I guess but but either way they know we got down to a very low number and they know that this volcano this super volcano eruption did happen and they also know that this is not uncommon you know well it is kind of uncommon if it happened you know 70,000 years ago no but it's not when you think about 4.6 billion years of Earth totally but if but if you think of human history and certainly our lifespans if it happens once every 75,000 years you're like oh we're good we're good your kids are yes your kids are good probably but speaking Society it's it's it's it's entirely possible that Society could hit get hit one of these things Yellowstone you know about Yellowstone's crazy like they have thousands you that's why you have Elon on here talking about you know making humans multi multiplanetary yeah what do you think about that I'm I'm into it I'm I'm on Mars I would totally go if he'll send me I'll go yeah get get him on here again tell them I'm willing to go how many years would you be willing to stay it used to be that they thought You' have to stay there for the rest of your life
now they they think they can get you back in a couple of years I'd be willing to go for the rest of my life later in my life you know like as a 70-year-old or something I bet I would I don't know I'm into I'm into exploration like that you know just like full interesting new places and Fred the dirt bag guy and you'd want to be climbing when you're 85 years old and maybe but I think you know basically I think if I felt like there was something useful I could contribute by going to Mars I would definitely go because I do think that that is sort of the future of humanity going to going to different places it'd be pretty wild You' be able to climb a little higher without Earth gravity holding you back I know I know I need all the help I can get especially at that age you know I like the way you think Jamie yeah maybe that's the move when you get older you go TOS low gravity places [ __ ] easy but by the time we get people to Mars probably extend life lifespans pretty far we'll see they're doing some weird [ __ ] now um I read a study out of I think it was out of um I think it was Jerusalem where they've done um they're doing these uh intensive Hyperbaric studies where they take people and they put them in uh hyperbaric chambers on a regular basis you know these uh rich oxygen environments and they found that they you know one the way they determined biological age is the length of your telr and they've determined that through this hyperbaric chamber uh therapy they were able to reduce people's biological age by 20 years hm yeah [ __ ] wild did I mean but does that wind up having Health implications I don't know I don't know but they're they're I don't think they know they're just like whoa interesting cuz this is a fairly recent study and it's a a fairly new discovery so they're trying to figure this out and hyperbaric chambers they've used in the past like I know Fighters have use them for injuries um uh I know that uh people that have broken bones they found that it heals things quicker in these oxygen rich environments and then some people have used them for for those but as far as like health and wellness the use of them is I think it's pretty recent that people started using them just for elective health and well nness type
situations where you're just trying to improve your health let see if you can find that study I I'm look I mean I have the study but it's just it's literally the study it's the I'm trying to dig through it to find the hyperbaric oxygen therapy increases tair length and decreases amuno that sence amuno sinis and isolated blood cells H pretty interesting [ __ ] but I think that's what I read for fun at night you know I think this was from 2020 yeah there is September 3rd 2020 and is is that the one from Israel I mean look at the names on it it certainly seems like it yeah t Aviv yeah weird [ __ ] man you know so you got to imagine that and there plenty of like normal ways to extend life like uh you know severely restricted uh calorie diets you know like basically being fasted forever you know you can extend rats lives by like double or something yeah isn't that wild that the more food you eat the shorter your life is exactly I might be [ __ ] like a pig oh it's really issue better you know it's all balance it's like I know it is be hungry and live longer or just full and happy yeah I mean arguably full and happy yeah arguably certainly certainly you want a full and happy life so it's like because that's the thing is if you're if you're in a restricted calorie state for your whole life I mean it means that you're lacking the energy to do thing you know to like go running or like play in the mountains like all the things that I care about obviously you could do in that kind of restricted calories day right but um but I do kind of wonder sometimes like you know if I was a painter or something and I was just sitting inside like thinking up crazy ideas and like drawing or whatever it's like might be worth you know only eating 600 calories a day and like living to 150 yeah or seeing if it works out that way do you anticipate a time where climbing is no longer interesting to you and you want to pursue other things or do you feel do you ever feel in any way that you are um a prisoner to your earliest passion CU that's that's interesting no because I still love it I'm still coming up with the like good idea things that I think at least are good ideas I'm like oh that' be cool and I'll do this thing and it'll be
interesting and I mean and I am sort of following the natural progression of like you know doing the podcast is like now you're talking about it and you're sort of sharing I'm supposed to be doing commentary for the Olympics so it's actually not unlike your whole scene where it's like you talk about fighting and then you like talk to interesting people about you know it's like you know as you wind up being sort of like a spokesperson for your sport in some way and I'm like and that I'm great with that if it means that I still get to climb as much as I want that's really cool you're going to do commentary for the Olympics yeah well we we'll see CU this year is unusual since uh Japan doesn't really want foreigners to come and um so we'll we'll see how it all plays out but but in do it remotely yeah yeah um though that really takes a lot of the appeal out of doing commentary for the Olympics if I'm just watching a live stream and talking about it well what if you're in like one of those Buffalo Wild Wing screens big giant [ __ ] 50 foot screen watching it like sitting in I mean it might be okay yeah yeah it's better than nothing for sure for sure no I mean I'm excited to participate in any way cuz I think it's such an important moment for climbing it's cool to just be be part of that yeah you're like you're a spokesperson for climbing you're not just a climber do you feel like added responsibility because of that or do you just welcome it because you love climbing so much yeah I just W I just love climbing and I mean I think I am actually in a good position to be a bit of a spokesperson for it because I do kind of come from a different generation of climbers I am more by Nature I kind of prefer The Adventurous side of climbing like I the big you know sort of adventurous Endeavors in the mountains which really speak back to sort of the history of climbing you know like those are those are the the places that climbing came from and so it is easy for me to talk about that kind of stuff and yet I also you know try to train in a modern way and train in gyms and you know I kind of know the the elite you know modern athletic set of climbing as well so I don't know you know I'm happy to be able to talk about both you know one of the things that came up in
uh free solo and I guess just as a reality of later in your life is that you started getting injured no that was actually just bad luck in free solo it's funny because yeah because literally since the film I've had zero injuries of any kind and I'm pretty sure and and actually in the and I think there's a line in the film where I'm like oh you know I hadn't been injured in years and then I got injured a couple times in a couple months like after I started dating my now wife and stuff like that but um no a lot of that's just total that's just a fluke Dum luck yeah it's just a fluke at time that's good to hear yeah part of it is because since I've since I've lived in Vegas um I see a dude for body workk in town um actually I'll give Pat my my buddy Pat he's the man he actually out to Pat yeah he listened to your show a bun he sucked um but so he um but so Pat's like this incredible body worker and uh I see him as regularly as I can when I'm in town and I really think that's actually helped quite a bit it's like you know getting the oil change basically whenever you can it's like keeps the engine running well like yeah so I mean I think that basically having a home you know eating well getting body worked on all that kind of stuff like good healthy lifestyle like I I don't think I've had any injuries so you live in a house now yeah yeah yeah my God I know crazy what is that like no it's nice it's comfortable there's a shower there's a bathroom you can like you can poop any TV uh we don't have a TV whoa of course you don't have a TV but we have a computer I mean watch stuff on the computer right you don't have a TV I've never owned a TV wow I don't know it just means it makes me a little more strategic about my my digital media you know what I mean like because if I want to watch something you know I can download it and watch it right but by only by choice you know and it's only going to be that appealing because you're watch on a little screen yeah I kind of like the little screen though because it sits right in front of you the thing is you need a big screen because it sits way across the room but if you have your laptop on your lap then you don't need a big screen it's good point I see what you're saying like hey those those uh virtual reality things
that the Samsung created that slide into like a p it's like a phone Samsung had a VR situation that's a Google cardboard you know they actually literally a cardboard box that's designed for a smartone that's right they did it too yeah yeah that's right real simple thing right yeah there's is for educational stuff so that like school kids can just have a smartphone and then go to like world class aquariums and stuff like that and experience like crazy you know like go to the great berry Reef or whatever and fry your retinas and kill your vision real quick cuz it's all like inches in front of your face yeah so do you do other stuff um to supplement your climbing like any other kind of working out or stretching or anything like that yeah stretch like this morning I did this like shoulder Mobility stuff and like opposition stuff sort of like you know push-up hand standy type like shoulder stuff um and then some core and then some stretching and just I mean it's all like basic normal stuff did you go to a trainer to teach you this stuff or did you learn it from books no just I mean it's all I mean it's all basic body weight exercises so it's like but I mean I have read some books about it I've you know all my friends are professional climbers I've obviously talked to everybody about it you sort of hear best practices the shoulder Mobility things that I was playing with today um I actually just learned from one of the other Climbers on the jungle trip that that I was just on one of the climbers was a Venezuelan guy named Fuko that uh trains basically the Venezuelan World Cup team and so he had a bunch of sort of like new school training exercises and things and I was like oh that's cool so I started doing you know his workout technique like yeah and this is just something he developed for himself no I'm sure he learned it from some book but I just hadn't really seen it applied in that way I mean it's all I think it's it's totally stupid was just like moving your arms in different ways and like shoulder Mobility but because my shoulders are not great at that kind of thing it feels useful for me because that's like a personal weakness I mean so much of climbing is identifying your personal weaknesses and working on those because like what's good for some people
isn't going to be useful like I don't do that much stretching and it's because I'm naturally like moderately flexible and you know being extremely flexible doesn't help that much as a climber but if you were extremely tight it would be a hindrance you know so I kind of fall in the middle ground where it's like it's not really worth putting a lot of effort into CU it's not going to give me that much more of a gain is it one of those things where if someone was extremely flexible would it be possible for them to reach areas like particularly with their legs yeah yeah if you can just easily do the full splits I mean it does open up all kinds of technique that that a normal climber wouldn't be able to do but you know the thing is me being relatively tall and relatively flexible I can get most of the way there without actually being able to do the splits and it'd be like a lot of work for me to do the splits I'm kind of like uh you think so yeah I think so why I don't know because I've stretched stretched a lot and I can't do the splits you know so I'm like I don't know it's like I bet you could I I I mean can you do the splits yeah you can do the splits yeah I don't even have to warm up I can do the splits look at that lady yeah so that exactly that's the kind of thing that's what I'm talking about yeah on the other hand though I'd probably be able to use those same footholds because I'm taller you know because there they're a certain length apart like you know really if you're short you kind of have to make up for it in a lot of like that like you have to be able to stretch really far but I would imagine you being taller and also if you were as flexible as her yeah it would help it would help it's not that hard man I could help you with that wait when you're off I I want to see split yeah I could help you with that huh yeah no I'm interest picture put a picture a picture on my Instagram of me with a straddle leaning all the way forward like flattening my chest out on the ground with my legs out like this really yeah I can do that you're you're Supple man yeah well I've beening martial arts since I was a little kid and I I never stopped yeah see that's wait that's you that's me dude WTF yeah I could do all that [ __ ] still wait dude the is the one on the left you no
that's okay that on below that is me but that's an that's an easy stretch that is yeah that's me from when I was like you 29 yeah damn yeah how old are you now 53 oh wow damn 29 respect yeah just keep going the thing is to just keep doing it that's the thing a lot of people their life gets in the way totally but I don't ever allow that as an option I don't ever allow like long periods of time where I don't work out or long periods of time where I don't stretch but so that's the thing with climbing is that I would never allow a long period without working out like hand stuff or arm stuff the stretching is like so peripheral where you're like yeah it helps a little but it's not required and so I don't know actually I just started stretching again because I'm I'm trying this project in in Vegas like this thing I want to do and uh basically I like couldn't really get my foot onto this one footh hold easily I mean I could get it up there but I had to kind of like Lurch and you know sort of fall back sideways a little bit and I was like oh I need to like limber up a little bit you know now that I have a purpose for it I'm like okay then it's like fun to start doing my stretching again have you ever tried Hot Yoga yeah I hate it hate it it's like it's really popular in Vegas I don't know if You' ever been in Suburban Vegas but like whole it's like really big with Suburban Housewives and stuff and I'm I theorize that people are into hot yoga because they sweat so much they feel like they did something and they're like oh I went to a workout class but you're like no you just freaking stretch for an hour I'd much rather just stretch on my living room floor I hear what you're saying and I understand why you would think that but it's very difficult it's not just you're you're sweating because you're stretching and you're not just stretching you're definitely working out it is really hard to do especially if you do like I know be's a douchebag but but his classes that the the the it's not even his the thing about that guy is like that sequence of postures has been around for thousands of years it's I've never done beam yoga I've done like a conventional yoga class in an incredibly hot room and it's just kind of like flow you know yeah it depends on what you're
doing how you're doing it and who's teaching it to you I went I went with my wife and at the end there were too many people in the room and it was like too hot and then everyone sweat so much that it became like humid in a way that that was like crazy like there was a cloud at the top and everyone was like about to die and I just remember the end of the class my wife just being just laying on the mat just like shallow breathing like trying to survive basically for the class to end you know was like dude we're all just going to die in here it's like way too hot you get ACC to it though you do yeah it's like 105 degrees and you do 90 minutes you get accustomed to it yeah I remember the first time I did it I was like this is the craziest [ __ ] thing I've ever done totally but then after a while I was doing it two three times a week my other bummer with that is that I normally do yoga like as part of the day and if you do the hot yoga like that you have to shower you have to go home you have to change it's like it's like its own thing that has to kind of stand alone because it's like an experience yeah you know that's true and you you definitely need electrolytes after that too totally you can't like do that and then go get your groceries on the way home and like run a bunch of errands cuz you're like a total it's like a disaster no no no no I would always shower and even then I would go to the supermarket to grab some lunch and I'd be drench you just keep sweating even though you're like dry off and every you just start sweating again cuz your body's like what the [ __ ] did you just do it's funny like I yeah I uh I don't normally sweat that much in exercise like I'm not a big sweater and I was the first times I did Hot Yoga I was like oh you know I'm sure I'm not going to sweat that much and you start the class and you're like yeah it's not that crazy not that crazy and then I was like oh I'm like sweating it's like running down and then pretty soon it's like dripping off my nose like pooling and I was like I'm sweating like I've never sweat before I was like this is [ __ ] disgusting yeah it's pretty radical like you're doing this there's one when you're standing on one leg and you're extending your other leg backwards and then you're leaning your body in a straight line with your I
think it's like standing stick pose or something like that I forget what it's called but it's dripping off my face and dripping off my arms but it's so gross cuz then the whole mat's so wet and then you're like slipping and sliding and you're just like oh man it's a little gross but the benefits are tangible you you you really develop a lot of strength and flexibility and stability of your joints it's really good for your knees and yeah I mean if I saw that it helped perform you know I'd get on board cuz I'd be like oh yeah yeah you're gross for an hour you take a shower whatever like if it's worth it then I'm into it the the key to learning how to stretch properly though is like little incremental pushes through pain and breathing exercises so like when you get most people get to this where they're like and like and then they back off but you got to learn how to you got to learn how to just slowly ease into it and then you got to learn how to just deep deeper and then deep and then hold it and it just takes it's just you have to be consistent too that might be what I'm lacking in my stretching I stretch to like a point where I'm like this is comfy and it's keeping me fine but I I hardly ever like push my string you it's painful I did it today for 45 minutes oh yeah jeez yeah I do my workout and then I did 45 minutes stretching I'm like that's that's awesome you saw me do that well no well yeah but that's when you're 29 you know no the one the bald one was not me 29 yeah yeah I know but like two years ago yeah I can do it right now classic yeah classic it's just a thing where you just keep doing it as long as you keep doing it you maintain flexibility oh yeah that's me like a week ago yeah crazy yeah you just got to keep doing it the whole like I don't I don't think I can do that you could you definitely I certainly could build up you might not be able to do it right now definitely could but it's there's a real benefit to that because the more pliable your tissue is the more range of motion have I think the more you can alleviate injury and I I think it's one of the reason it's got to be one of the reasons why I can still do the kind of workouts that I do in terms of like martial arts stuff because I didn't for a while I did
uh like Jiu-Jitsu doesn't require the same kind of flexibility and uh for a while I wasn't even doing that I was just lifting weights and then I went from that to kickboxing again and I noticed I was pretty stiff I was like there's a lot of like my movements weren't as fluid anymore and then I started stretching out again and got it all back so it's just there's a range of motion that you just don't have if you're not stretching I'm like I feel like I should start stretching my back and stuff have like shoulder stuff right when people start talking about flexibility I feel the instantly like gosh that stretch it's funny CU I'm pretty much always sore from something like you know I mean I go climbing six days a week or something so I'm always a little achy or sore and especially right now with the stuff I'm working on in Vegas I'm sort of alternating like leg day and arm day basically like hard climbing which is more your arms and then sort of Adventure like Mountain what I was talking about traversing all the mountains that's like more your legs cuz ultimately you're just going up and over all these mountains and so on any given day I'm always kind of like Oh my legs my back my feet whatever or surprised that you've never [ __ ] around with CBD it's really good for inflammation it's really good for sore muscles and there's a bunch of topical stuff that honestly well it's kind of new and it's like good for everything and I'm like anything that's good for everything I assume is like you know good for nothing you know yeah I know what you're saying it's good it's good to be skeptical like that but it really is good for inflammation yeah some people they find it uh good for a lot of different things like psychological things even like anxiet yeah I'm I'm so untroubled by that stuff that I'm just like whatever you know you're not you're so mellow like you're when you were talking about climbing like free soloing this the face of a [ __ ] Mountain it's it's mostly mellow I'm like that's hilarious what is you know I know but that's well if it wasn't meow you wouldn't want to do it you know state of like mellowness in the face of insurmountable impossible Heights dude so so so funny random thing so I did a podcast with the CEO of whoop the other
day it's like because they're the title sponsor for my podcast so classic style you're doing podcast about a podcast or whatever and um and we were talking about REM sleep because you know the whoop like tracks your sleep stuff and and it was a bit of a weird like personal I don't know it was like a like a moment of Enlightenment almost but apparently I get significant ific L greater percentage of my sleep in REM sleep than than average um which and it's funny because every day the app says like your REM sleep is much higher percentage than than whatever like you must be making up for for you know mist or something but like it's just always super high and apparently that's the REM sleep is a stage of sleep that that you know sort of gives calmness and like you know mitigates anxiety and things like that and I am sort of like it is it is interesting if I'm like maybe my whole thing in climbing just comes down to the fact that I'm a naturally really heavy REM sleeper you know and I just like my mind is always kind of calm cuz I get like an extra you know 15% of my time in Rim sleep every night that's wild yeah it was one of those weird things cuz you know I've literally spent years with people doing interviews being like what's the secer what's the thing like how do you do this you know totally insane seeming thing I'm like maybe I just sleep really well and then I'm really relaxed as a result you know it's like it's kind of it's kind of interesting it is interesting it's like you're born for it like well I mean yeah Poss or you never know chicken in the egg cuz maybe it goes the other way like maybe because in such like high anxiety situations all the time that but I don't think so CU it subjectively feels very chill you know like everything I'm doing feels relaxed and when you go back like what age did you start climbing uh 10 so you probably don't remember no no I don't I I literally don't and before that I mean I still loved climbing on things you know I was like climbing the school buildings and trees and all that there's also I think something that comes from there's something that comes from um when you you uh are accustomed to doing things that are physically taxing and you've done it since you were little I think you have like more calmness and your more mellow period
yeah totally cuz you're just Soo anything you've done for 25 years is going to feel pretty relaxed when you do it well also I just think you're exerting a lot of energy like I think one of the things that stresses a lot of people out I believe your body has certain requirements just from an evolutionary perspective we our bodies were designed to run away from predators to to fend off enemies to do do whatever we had to do to survive in terms of like trekking and doing things and for most people they don't use their body like that at all and I think this extra energy manifests itself as anxiety has depression has like bad feelings CU you're just like cuz your body's just not getting what it deserves it needs or what it requires your body is constantly doing that so your body has gotten what it's required since you were 10 so you've sort of evolved like as you that is that's an interesting way to look at it it is kind of true I mean that I have been yeah I mean it's it's it's interesting like uh you know that fight ORF flight response like what you're describing the the like fleeing from predators I mean I think that is kind of a a root of anxiety is like modern life like things Trigger figh or flight that shouldn't necessarily it's like stress at work and your boss or whatever and it like triggers that same thing yes but um yeah it is true that that in my life at least the things that trigger fight ORF flight are like legitimate life or death sorts of situations where it's like oh you you know you are about to fall off a cliff or like oh you know like the storm is coming and you're out in the middle of nowhere and you're like I'm about to get worked you know it's like like typically when I feel that kind of major anxiety it's like for a real reason and um I mean it is interesting yeah I mean it is it is appropriate that way it's like it's it's like the correct outlet for that kind of stress it it really does completely make sense as to and also most of the guys that I've met that what you do and I don't think I've met anybody that does exactly what you do but guys that climb a lot they're pretty chill yeah it's a pretty well dude I think part of that is because you get worked by Nature so often that then when you're in sort of normal life Everything feels pretty relaxed because you're kind
of like oh I'm physically comfortable I'm fed I'm hydrated I'm like you know my body is fine I'm not about to just get hammered by by Nature you know like yeah that's my My Philosophy about really difficult exercise it's really important because it makes other things seem easy and the stresses of regular I think we have just like a a standard base level of stress and when you artificially impose a higher base level electively like whether it's through climbing or other kind of exercise totally whatever you're doing it makes the rest of Life seem easy seem easy yeah dude I had a earlier this year there was a winter storm warning for Vegas it does snow in Vegas sometimes in the mountains especially like get get snow there's a winter storm warning for this like storm coming through and i' climbed like 20 days in a row basically or something and I wanted to use the storm day to try to hike this one section of the Traverse that I'm trying to do of all these Peaks I figured I would like take advantage of a non-climbing day to do the one walking section to like figure out where the route goes and so I went out in this crazy storm and when I started it was like snowing a little and I was like H and crazy wind it's really cold and I was trying out these new like waterproof layers just to see how actually I wanted to try them out before the jungle to see if they'd be good jungle layers and um and so I go up into the mountain anyway long story short I get completely worked it turns out visibility is nothing I didn't know where I was going I get lost in the mountains it and it wound up being basically too difficult of terrain to travel through uh in the snow like uh because I'd sort of taken it for granted but in Red Rock on those mountains you you walk on these like exposed Sandstone slabs all the time but when you cover them in like six inches of snow it's like really kind of horrifying you can't just like walk up the slabs anymore it's like now a total tobogganing death trap where you're going to like slide down you know so I was like anyway so I go up quite a ways eventually I just had to give up and like turn around but I'm now you know 2 200 feet like up this mountain side and and then I turn around and then it all was way more socked in I couldn't even see my tracks anymore cuz
everything's like filled in and visibility is nothing and so I had like a Garmin watch on so I kept like looking at the little track on my watch being like am I to the left or the right of the track that I came up you know like no idea where I am full Mountain Side keep falling down and you know there's like you were falling yeah but like sliding over things or tripping on rocks it's really steep Hillside with like and you're stepping through through you know say 6 or 8 in of fresh powder but underneath it's still like loose rocks and cactuses and things like that so it's like you know the terrain is it's not like a snow base or something it's like you're just stepping through it and falling over anyway so I fell into cactuses a bunch of times and so the thing is I was totally hurm it completely wet totally worked and my hand had all these gaus thorns in it and my other hand was too numb to like manipulate anything so I went up like biting the biggest thorns out and then just left the rest of them because it's just I I just couldn't use my hands and just keep staggering down the mountain anyway eventually I like made it back to the car made it back to the house and then I had my wife pull all the thorns out cuz I like I couldn't really use my hands I was so worked but I was kind of like but that was like my rest day adventure you know what I mean that's like I mean it turned out being it turned out being way more yeah yeah I mean I was hoping that it was going to go better than that and it didn't really work out but that is kind of the point that when you take on that elective love you know I was like I had a goal that I wanted to piece together this section of a hike didn't work out that way I W up you know building a bunch of character instead but you know you're just like that's just a normal day out you know it's like when you're adventuring in the mountains sometimes sometimes those winter storm advisor actually happen you know it's just easy living in the desert you're like it'll be fine it'll be fine and then you're like no it was not fine it was totally crunk that's pretty crazy and that that does speak to what we're saying like if you're doing that kind of [ __ ] yeah and that's just like a normal day you know like that's not even like the crazy like Oh I thought I was going
to die I was just like I was just deeply uncomfortable and like sort of on edge for you know a while yeah when when I got home on my wife was like this is the most worked I've ever seen you like just totally like like a like a wet dog that's been beaten too hard you know but I was like I need a hot shower I need like towels I need hot soup I need you to get the tweezers out and do some work you probably felt amazing once you were back home right and you did have the hot shower except for your hands I think I was kind of worked for I was I think I just lay down the rest of the day basically I was like oh what have I done but didn't you feel happy that you were home well yeah no totally that's the whole thing with all these types of climate experiences is then you're just so glad I mean cuz we live in just like normal little Suburban house you know but you're like there's a bathroom with hot water it's like so great I was like yeah it doesn't take much to feel very comfortable the people in your neighborhood recognize you no I mean my neighbors all three of my neighbors are seven-year-old ladies that have lived in the neighborhood since it was first built in ' 89 it's pretty classic oh wow that is classic yeah yeah it's pretty funny actually one of them just had to move into a home which is kind of sad but Thats So yeah yeah she had like a stroke or something kind of sucks it death comes for all of us my friend yeah totally the um the climbing community in Vegas is is it a a pretty robust Community yeah yeah and like more professional climbers are sort of moving I mean it is the best Four Season climbing in the country it's like it's for sure the best climbing in the country wow so um so there's definitely a reason for climbers to live there and I think the climbing scene in Vegas is actually even more robust than I know because I'm constantly at the cliff and I meet someone I'm like oh where you from and they're like we live here and you're like really and that happens consistently that I meet people you know and we're just like out at the cliff climbing and you're like you live in town I've never seen you or heard of you before and you're you know like you just live here too so it's a it's kind of a that's the weird thing about Vegas you wouldn't realize it but it is very small
in terms of the outside area like a small townish I don't know well what do you mean how many people live there like 2 million people live in Vegas in Vegas I think so but you're in the outskirts right well yeah I live in Suburbia but it's like no I mean it's all just Vegas oh it you I mean almost all the climbers live on the west side cuz that's where the rock is and that's where like Red Rock and the cool limestone is and so most of the climbers live on one side of town but still I mean it's just Suburbia you know it's like yeah I think it's 2 million people living in the Basin it's like it's pretty big town yeah but it's just I think of Austin as being pretty small and Austin is basically 2 million people too Austin is a million in the city and then a million in the outside areas interesting I wonder yeah I just wonder how it feels like I mean the other thing about Vegas is there's literally nothing else around for hundreds of miles so it's like the people that live in Vegas are the only people around whereas there are how far away is San Antonio and stuff I forget an hour yeah okay so that's kind of the thing is that you know or certainly like La especially you're like oh well la you know the city of downtown LA has a certain population but there's so many people living within a two-hour drive that it's like it's this crazy Bowl you know it Blends La there's no line between LA and Orange County and Orange County in San Diego it's all just Mass exactly it's mass of human beings sprawled into like a mega City that you're just like oh it's just too much it's so so too I didn't realize how much it was too much until I came here or like your old studio in uh in the Hills or what's that called in the valley whatever that was like North I mean that's like totally you know you're like it's LA but it's actually like an hour drive away in crazy traffic with Millions more people and you're like where the [ __ ] is it it's like there's no end dude actually fun story uh you know last time I talked to you was in that studio and it was during the free solo tour and I had to leave cuz I was like going to the airport and I was like super late because we always chat so freaking long and uh and it was like you know an hour to LAX from there or
something with traffic and my driver cancelled like basically the driver got there like saw that it was supposed to be going to LAX and just like bailed and throve away so then I had to wait for like another driver to come you I was using lift and um then another driver gets there and I'm now like fully going to miss my flight and uh I was like dude I'm going to miss my flight if you can get me to LAX you know basically in time for my flight I you'll get the tip of your life anyway the dude was like uh he was I was like either Bangladeshi or uh like I think he was Bangladesh or something basically he was like Indian driver and was he it was like it was like setting a fish loose in the sea he was like you want me to do what and then he basically just like drove him the shoulder and did like anything he got me to LAX in like half an hour it was totally incredible it felt like it felt like I was driving in Bangalore or somewhere you know like nervous though no I was like basically I was like if he feels safe I feel safe I was like you do whatever you want like you take me I forget where he said he was from but it was um it was like Indian subcontinent like and he just he just went old school like dude fully like yeah yeah like driving on the sidewalk type like anything goes like I was thinking of it recently cuz you know I was just in this trip of the Jungle and uh the driving in Georgetown like the capital of guy on it really felt like that where it's kind of fishing the SE everyone's kind of doing their thing like all the stop lights are out so people just kind of like figure their way through the intersections nobody hits each other but it's all all feels kind of weird you know I was remembering yeah driving from your studio in full like action movie like totally insane insane Drive the craziest I've ever driven in is uh I wasn't driving but I was being driven was in Mexico City where they don't give a [ __ ] about traffic lights that doesn't mean a goddamn thing people are running red lights left and right and I was like dude is this normal he's like my friend this is Mexico City yeah exactly exactly anything goes anything goes just like the intersection were just at rush hour we had done the UFC weigh-ins and then we were headed back to the hotel it was
essentially rush hour and the intersections were fully jammed up 100% of the time people just trying to make their way through it no it's like two schools of fish going through each other that's the thing is it's just full no efficient no no no it wasn't efficient at all sometimes it is sometimes it's amazing how everything just kind of like swarms through and it all kind of works and you're like maybe in some places the place I was at in Mexico City that was not the case and the it was also weird too because the elevation was very high I think it's like 7,000 ft above sea level but the pollution was [ __ ] insane like we were flying into it it was like there was a fire it was so I I put it on my Instagram because it's so it was so nasty I was like this is crazy and I had a headache the entire time I was there and I was like am I do I have a headache because of pollution or altitude or altitude like I didn't know huh I've never I've never flown into Mexico City I have heard that it's like pretty though pretty intense and this it was unfortunately for the people that were fighting it there was a it was a heavyweight title fight so imagine being a giant person which you already a hard time with cardio anyway and then being at 7,000 ft above sea level and more cardio requirements and then pollution dude they presumably they go early for that kind of thing and like spend some time getting used to it glad what you said that one guy did and he won and one guy didn't and he lost and the guy who lost is known for having spectacular cardio interesting and he wound up you know but did he lose cuz he just got punched in the face too hard or because he got he got tired and he never gets tired he he got there two weeks before or the other guy was there months before really but two weeks you think would still be enough to sort of no they say two weeks is out you're better off like two days than two weeks oh really yeah your your body doesn't really acclimate your body your body really needs a lot of time to acclimate to 7,000 fet above sea level like months and this first guy the Fab fabriccio verdom he did it for months but came Velasquez only did it for a couple weeks I think he had like 11 days actually some somewhere in that neighborhood of a couple weeks I don't remember exactly but they're saying when
you talk to actual experts you're almost better off coming in right before the event than you know whereas you can get all the work and do the hard cardio leading up to that and then have the you know you're you're going to be diminished because of the altitude but at least your body has gone through on your own program yeah cuz you know there's two schools of thought when it comes to high altitude training some when it comes to fighting at least some uh the the current school of thought is you should train at low altitude but sleep at high altitude they used to think you should train at high altitude because when you train at high but now they think no because your workload is not as great yeah you can't work your muscles as hard so they they want you to train you know for the couple hours that you're training be that at low altitude and then so like a lot of guys will Fighters will train down in the valley and then drive up to Big Bear in California because totally cuz you can make that trip in a day in a couple of hours and so they they live and sleep and where do they fight though us figh well it depends on where they're fighting but even if they're fighting in Vegas there's still a cardio benefit to sleeping at altitude huh you know I mean but Vegas there was like 2,000 ft or like 1500 or something it's not about the requirement of Vegas it's about having higher red blood cell count so you have in general greater cardio oh and is that is that true though yeah yeah it is true yeah it's one of the reasons why a lot of people uh like big time teams uh come out of like Denver has a really good big- time team there's a team elevation and uh Trevor whitmore's uh his Whitman's his uh team is up there too and uh uh Jackson Winkle John which is in Albuquerque New Mexico which is I think 5,000 feet is quite a few camps where they they work at a higher altitude and they seem to be pretty sucessful I'll I'll be doing that this week cuz I'm supposed to be climbing Mount Whitney this week which is like 145 it's like you know the highest peak in in the US and uh so I I'll sleep in the van like at the highest point I can around Vegas which is like 8,400 feet oh wow like it's like at least something you know like basically sleep at altitude a couple
nights to acclimatize a little bit so when you go mountain climbing you don't feel quite as bad yeah yeah I think that's fine for climbing but I think for like a heavy endurance sport I want you to really be acclimated also if I was trying to set a record in climbing then I'd have to go live at like 10 12,000 ft exactly what you're describing but if I'm just trying to like get by then yeah you can you can just you know spend a night or two at 8 and hope that you feel good enough when you set out to do your podcast did you have a a format in mind did you have like did you see yourself doing it for a long period of time like how long did you think about it before you got into it so my podcast is um with this guy Fitz gal from duct tape than beer who like does this podcast called called the dirt bag Diaries and so he's like a professional like he's done this a long time so he brought he brought all the technical expertise and like sent me the equipment and everything sent me the mic yeah and taught me how to use it which is super helpful um and you know explained how to do all the levels and then his team is doing all the post production and editing and like dealing with everything and he sort of approached me about the idea of of doing it as leadup to the Olympics we called the climbing gold and it's just like an it was going to be just a look at the competitors and kind of the state of of climbing as it goes into the Olympics and then when the Olympics got pushed we kind of found that we had the extra time to go a little bit deeper into real climbing like what are you know like what is bouldering like who does first the sense like who puts the root up first like why does that matter you know and then in our first episode with this guy Peter Croft who's like a personal hero of mine is about vision and and sort of inspiration and climbing like why does One generation's Vision end and another generation surpass it you know like basically you know why can the last generation of climbers not see past into what the next generation is going to do I mean it's just interesting because like Peter was an incredibly talented climber and he kind of took free soing to a certain level and I basically started at the level that he ended at and then took it to a different level but now I'm sort of like you know I
wouldn't say that I'm necessarily at the very limit of my vision but you know I'm close like doing El Cap and the film free solo all that kind of stuff is like definitely represents like the edge of what I consider possible but then already now I see sort of Olympic competitor editors who are just physically so much more gifted that in theory they'll have a totally different Vision anyway so those are the sorts of ideas that we've been exploring it just seems like a good time for it you know it's like and there's no there's nothing like that in in climbing podcasting right now I mean they're they're a handful of sort of long form interview podcasts kind of like what you do in climbing where um they like chat with interesting climbers and tell long stories but it's not edited down to be thematic you know it's not explaining the the sport in in an approachable way so yours is more it's more produced yeah it's much more produced and and that's the intention and so the idea was always to have sort of a limited run um like 10 to 20 episodes leading up to the Olympics and sort of explaining the sport in a way that people can can access and then once you've done that do you you anticipate continuing it for years or do you no the idea was just to do this one-off thing but um but I'm sure as you know you just never know where it's going to where it's going to go are you enjoying it yeah I've really been enjoying talking to the guests because uh so many of them are personal Heroes of mine like people I've looked up to my whole life were like oh and then some of the stories like I was telling you the woman Joan rosi the first ascensionist in Vegas like hearing her stories I was like this is crazy so I find it like really personally inspiring you know like it excites me to go out and climb other things just because I'm like wow like I can't believe she was doing that in the 70s like so wild you know like keeps me keeps me excited about it that's awesome right and what is it called again tell everybody uh climbing gold climbing gold yeah and it's available everywhere everywhere Spotify Apple wherever you get your uh wherever you do podcast well listen man thanks for being on here again I appreciate it it's always fun to talk to you time with you we just did
three hours Believe It or Not Jesus Christ 3 4:00 is it really that is crazy it's crazy that is well that's the thing it's always the experience it's The Joe Rogan Experience you never know where it's going to take you well it's always fun talking to you my friend thank you very much great to see you I want to see the splits now yes okay I'll show you right now bye everybody bye [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]