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[Laughter] [Music] mr prince yeah thanks for being here brother i appreciate it hey it's a privilege and honor listen man you you command a tremendous amount of respect the more people i talk to you the more the respect grows more people i talk about you rather it's uh it's a pleasure to meet you a pleasure to be with you likewise bro josh dubin loves you too oh yeah the feeling is mutual yeah i love that dude yeah me too he's a good man and the stuff that he does on the side you know outside of of boxing and the stuff that he does with the innocence project is really amazing yeah yeah he's a awesome friend to have as well yeah yeah so uh we got a lot of [ __ ] here man we got your loyalty brand you've got champagne you've got wine you've got uh was this uh that's the merlot this is merlot and you have a cabernet as well and rose i love a man that's involved in a lot of different things well i'm just trying to diversify my portfolio but that's always been the case with you right yeah pretty much so from the beginning yeah you are responsible for a tremendous amount of the music that i listened to especially when i was a young man like you put together the ghetto boys willie d was on here and he explained the whole story to us that you're the one who talked him into being into the ghetto voice like he was like no i want to be on my own he did it as a favor to you yeah that's a true story that's the true story i uh actually had got rid of the other set of ghetto boys because they felt like i was too deep and they couldn't relate to some of the subject matters i wanted them to write to like what kind of subject matter well just real uh real life situations you know what i mean like real street things that i was living and they were spitting more tonkatoy type of reps you know it was they was following the trend of the east coast at the time and i realized that we're from the south and we just had different stories like what was the stories of the east coast like what was the difference well more commercial you know back then the east
coast was more commercial this was the time when run dmc ll cool j you know the hardcore rap hadn't hit the scene yet so down south we were considered rebellious at the time because we came with a different flavor you know we came uh with ghetto stories that's one of the reasons i named the group the ghetto boys because i knew it was ghettos all around the world that uh had a voice and we became their voice well it was also there were songs that they they were very unconventional like minds playing tricks on me like that's an unconventional song like and it shows like a vulnerability yeah like talking about the pressure of that life really [ __ ] you up yeah you know yeah yeah there was a lot of that in the ghetto boys yeah it was there was a lot of layers to it if you looked at it on the surface you would think just gangsta rap but there was a lot of thinking behind that music oh most definitely and that was part of what we done together we brainstormed together because we wanted to make sure we tapped into you know everybody that didn't have a voice you know a lot of the things such as the mind playing trick song for example you know it was a lot of individuals that was like numb to their lifestyle of what would actually take place of inner city kids and we were able to uh make that like real visual you it's it's fascinating to me all the different things that you've touched you know that you've gotten into like how first of all how did you get started in the rap game like what what got you into i got into i got in the rap game because of my brother his name was sir rapala so i actually uh named the company after him and uh i was encouraged to do it because you know he was a rapper at the time you know i was hustling a different way and i didn't want my brother in the streets so i'm like you go in the studio i'ma support you in the rap world but uh ultimately my brother uh decided not to stay in the rap game and we got him like 23 years yeah
there's so many stories like that right like dudes had one fit it one foot in and one foot out yeah yeah that's uh the rap game is inextricably tied to people that are are in that world right you can't you can't fake it in the rap game it's one of the the rare genres of music that has so many people that are both in and out of that world yeah a lot of uh people fake it to a certain extent you know because they tell stories of what they observed or what they saw you know a lot of uh individuals uh don't hadn't actually lived the rap that they uh rap about but they witnessed it from some perspective so it's real yeah yeah but it's it's maybe the only music genre that is so connected to crime like if you really stop and think about it crime and poverty is such a an immense part of the rap world oh yeah no it's definitely a a real reflection of what goes on in the world we come from yeah that's one of the most interesting things about it like when rap music became really popular one of the things i was saying to willie when willy d was here i was like you are a part you're a part of a you're a pioneer of a new art form that came about like when the ghetto boys came about uh which was like late 80s is that what it was yes when the ghetto boys emerged we would we had only been looking at hip hop for a decade right it's only been around for 10 years i'm like you were at the ground floor of what is now one of the biggest genres in all of music and it was one of the first genres that showed that life and showed the life of these inner city hustlers that were trying to get out and trying to do better for themselves and in the case of the ghetto boys show the pros and the cons and show the psychological effects of that life no a true story and uh one of the things we've done like on the east coast and the west coast you know they had access to
a lot of power where the major record labels were concerned down in houston in the south period we had no access to any of that kind of power so we was left to like figure it out and do it on on our own so when i laid the foundation uh in houston it was i basically learned from trial and error and i had to figure it out and i did and we laid a foundation that's relevant today so you got it into it to help your brother and then how did you how did you get a part of the ghetto boys how did that get going well i researched houston inside out you know i went to like every area in houston and kind of you know just tapped into all the artists and i ran into scarface one day i stepped out of a club and he was playing his music for a dj by the name of steve fagner and i overheard it and i was sold from what i overheard and i basically took scarface with me that night we went to breakfast and you know i i kind of convinced him that i had a group named the ghetto boys that i wanted him to be a part of and the same thing happened with willie d or my barber i think was telling me about willie d we had the same barber in fifth ward and i got with him and basically uh told him the same story and then that was bushwick and bushwick you know was around before either of those guys were around but i just shared my vision with them it was important that they embraced my vision because i just got rid of a group of guys that uh wasn't feeling me they told me i was too deep so after that you know i just uh made it my priority to pick these guys up every day you know i drove and picked them up every day to make sure they showed up in the studio so whatever happened with the guys who told you you were too deep they ever call you back and go are we [ __ ] up well you know you know i'm i'm thankful for two of those guys because you know i tell this story all the time these two guys were i made a deal with them if they go to school i would support them in rap and
they went to school and they would go to my grandmother house after school every day and after my brother had left i kind of lost interest in in the music game and uh she called me one day and she said james you need to keep your word these guys are going to school they come here every day practicing and you know i tell everybody that's how i got blessed beyond my expectation by keeping my word keeping your word is a theme that you discuss very often respect and keeping your word true how did you i mean how did this evolve for you as a man like when when did this become of extreme importance in your life uh i think uh it begun with my mother you know my father you know i believe morris caught than taught so i was observing uh the things of of substance such as respect and things like that they they put it in me so you know i tell everybody it's kind of in my dna to a certain extent i like that phrase more is caught than taught yeah that's true real true yeah i i think about that around my own kids oh yeah they're watching they observe yeah and if you slip like if i'm slipping my kids let me know oh yeah they let me know and you're like oh jesus you're paying attention oh yeah you know your other words your lips gonna have to match your actions yes yeah yeah when children think you're a hypocrite that's a those are rough kids to raise because they don't have any respect for you true yeah so you you start out with you had willie d you had scarface you had bushwick bill and you these guys didn't necessarily know each other like willie knew willy knew bushwick from the clubs but it didn't wasn't tight with him right yeah it wasn't really even he didn't really even know him i think they had a run in you know somewhat of a confrontation in the club but they didn't really know each other then we'll i think dropkicking wish wick that sounds like really yeah and how difficult was it to get them
together and get them to coordinate and get the music to go well you know it was it was somewhat difficult because everybody was solo artist and everybody wanted to do their own thing and my thing was to them okay let's unite our power let's unite our power together and we become a stronger force than being separate and you know let's do this my way and after this we'll do solos so i think that made sense to him well the way willie talks about you when willie was like i'm going to be on my own but jay prince asked me to do it so i said all right like literally that like that's rare when a guy like willie d is like okay he respects you so much he's willing to do that for you when he wanted to be a solo artist yeah that's true and scarface as well but you know it always been a mutual respect where we all was concerned and you know it made sense let's unite the power you know that helped it was that mentality that opened the doors for hope the whole houston like a lot of artists today try and you know separate their powers they don't understand the unity of the power is what opened the door for the city how did you figure that out early on i just figured that out from being a uh a football player baseball player you know a team player you know it's certain uh ingredients that just work you know together versus being separate unlike boxing you know boxing you're in the ring by yourself right yeah well you that's another thing you've been involved in too which is amazing you know you you've been involved with some of the greatest fighters of all time floyd mayweather andre ward i mean um how did you transfer from well you started off you owned like a car dealership right yeah was that your first big business uh pretty much so you know i started off uh at a car dealership all my life i had this uh love for cars and me too and my cousin you know by the name of eric blakely he used to uh put model cars together all on his dresser and
i didn't have any motor cars i couldn't really afford motor cars but i would look at those cars and be like oh i'm gonna have a car like that one day i'm gonna have a car like you know envision myself in in cars and i end up purchasing every car that i dreamt of being in did you have like a checklist yeah yeah yeah and so when you opened up this car dealership did you do that with that end goal in mind or did you just do it as a business i done it as a business the other that was business the ownership was personal i done it as a business because i had relationships with all the athletes with all the uh the d-boys you know all the hustlers in the street so i'm like i could make some money in the car salesman business and my uh my my son mother jazz his mother carla uh her father was a car dealer so everything just kind of connected and i'm like okay and so did you use that to like as a springboard to get into the rap game yeah yeah most definitely i became the number one car seller profit wise on a street called shepard drive in houston texas in one year you know what i mean and i couldn't believe it we all had the same accountant and counted you know doing taxi and she came to me she's like you made the biggest profit out of everybody on i said well how did you know how do you know that she said because i'm the accountant i'm like wow are you serious it's like yeah you made the biggest profit so you know that was inspiring and this was just because of your relationships with all these other people yeah that they wanted to do business with you well i say relationships and my work ethic you know because i i got a relentless work ethic so how do you get into boxing from there you get you get into the rap game with was the ghetto boys your first band yeah pretty much so the ghetto was with my first uh group uh when boxing came along boxing was my first love you know i i got distracted by the music game because of i mean by boxing because of the music
game i always wanted to be a boxer but it wasn't any gems in fifth ward you know so i always said to myself if i ever make it i want to build a boxing gym a recreation center in my hood and that's what i've done and shortly after i'd done that i had an opportunity to go in the gym and i started watching the amateurs and i just kind of fell in love with boxing all over again and which ultimately led me i prayed for a champion everything i tried to accomplish in life i always exercised prayer it worked for me so i prayed for a champion and uh i set up a meeting with mike tyson in las vegas and i went to las vegas this had to be 99 or 2 000. so you know i i knew a friend that knew mike and mike you know accepted the invitation because he was familiar with my movement where raphael i was concerned and i flew out there uh with my focus on mike and man i walked into him spawn and i was like you know i was on cloud nine because i had never saw him you know in person spawn it was always at a fight and i walked in and he was throwing leather with another heavyweight and i was like star struck and in the midst of watching this spawn floyd mayweather came in the gym and floyd you know i didn't know who he was he kept coming to me yo jay yo jay oh man i know i know i know about your group you know he's calling groups out i'm like oh okay thanks bro thanks bro i'm zeroing back in on mike boom boom boom flaw come over again yo yo joj man i know about this group here man and and jay if you want to do something later on you know this is my number i'll come pick you up i'm like all right brother okay focus on mike i don't know who floyd is right so afterwards you know me and mike go to his house to have the meeting that i came to have because my objective was to become his manager to be on his management team and he and i met for hour he got his ex-wife on the phone and you know i was pretty much convinced i was on the team after the meeting and everything took place and uh
you know hung with him all night the next day i tried to reach mike and i couldn't reach mike and i was left uh with flawed numb and i asked my friend i said who who number is this number right here he said oh that's floyd mayweather the 130 pound champion so bam a red light went off in my head because i prayed for a champion long story short me and floyd was in business together less than a week that's called his manager you didn't even know who he was i didn't know no idea that was when he was pretty boy floyd yeah that was before money mayweather yeah he had a totally different style back then too he was much more aggressive went for the knockout war yeah well i think he used his legs a lot more than but if he saw the opportunity he definitely went in for the kill but you know his whole image was different before i came about well he had a lot of hand problems right like he's had several hand breaks yeah well i don't know about a break but i know uh we eventually had to get a specialist to wrap his hands because you know he would hurt him a lot yeah and do you think that affected his style is that like because he developed a very defensive style as he got older um i think that's a part of uh confidence i think that's a part of evolving as a fighter you know in the beginning i think floyd uses legs much more but as he evolved with experience he got comfortable you know with shoulder roll and defense yeah greatest defense of all time oh man of all time yeah i agree i had my friend andrew schultz on here yesterday we were talking about him we're like he might have got hit hard four times in his career which is insane 50 you know and got tagged four times which is unthinkable no he's amazing but his work ethic is amazing you know the guy got to work you know i've had opportunity to like witness a lot of fighters work epic andre wards and floyd mayweather work ethic is unlike any fighter i ever saw yeah you
don't get there without it exactly because there's so many talented people there's so many athletic people there's so many fierce dudes but to be a champion yeah you need everything you need gifts you need athletic gifts you need a sharp mind you need a passion for the technical aspects of the game but you got to have that ethic if you don't have that work ethic you don't you never keep it going you you always fall short of your expectations and without naming any names we all know those champions that could have been great but they got fat in between camps and they just never trained as hard as they should have and yeah i mean some of the all-time greats suffered from it like roberto duran after he beat sugar ray leonard yeah he and and sugar ray knew it capitalized on it and forced a quick rematch when he knew that duran was fat and durant is partying and drinking and yeah a guy like floyd mayweather never did that no never got out of shape man he would you know floyd was the type of fighter that would party with everybody but no drinking no smoking he sit back and watch and observe the whole movement i remember watching a video of him leaving a club in vegas that showed him at the club hanging out with everybody leaving the club at two in the morning running oh yeah we used to do that all the time yeah regular pants on we would watch fights together and right after the fight he was ready to run yo jay yo nobody will catch me slipping the only way they can beat you is get you out of shape they ain't gonna catch me slipping take off running down the strip it's amazing and having his brother or having uh having his uncle roger and having his father you know two world-class fighters and having grown up seeing these guys seeing his his uncle when roger mayweather was a champion he had a vicious style he was you know his right hand was a thing of beauty i mean people forgot like i was watching some roger mayweather fights the other day and to have his father a guy who you know gave sugar ray leonard a hell of a fight
there's so much talent and so much knowledge and understanding of boxing in that family to grow up with that and to have that mindset like floyd has where he's observing and watching everything that dude just absorbed everything oh yeah and not only watching he had to spoil roger so you talking about you know having to learn how to protect yourself against the best yeah as a kid so you know he had access to a lot of power and evidently you know there's no doubt about it it benefited him in a major way it's just amazing when you see that consistent formula of of work ethic that work ethic is there's no getting around it everyone who gets great at everything and maintains that greatness has to have that work ethic yeah yeah no that's true even michael jordan explained you know how he exercised his work ethic you know i tell a lot of people your work ethic you know has to match your talent oh jamie brought over some glasses here we go wow so try some of this wine out sir loyalty all right all right what are you a merlot man or cabernet man well i'm both of them what do you prefer it's up to you let's try some cab all right which one is this this murph where are you growing this stuff i'm in paris in france really yeah i'm getting them good grapes you got a relationship with people in paris too oh yeah yeah most definitely i even have a heavyweight uh by the name of tony yoko the 2016 gold medalist that's from paris really yeah that's my fight as well is he training here in america or is he training in france both both yeah he come and go how does that work now with kova does he stuck over there yeah as of now he been over uh in uh in paris for the last few months so i think he'll be back in february of march yeah the the boxing business is a crazy business because boxers are crazy there's no way you know you got all the dedication and all the you know hard work and intelligence and ring iq but you also have crazy people yeah but it's it's no worse or no crazier than the music
industry right so you're prepared for it yeah i'm counting i've been prepared and uh there are two uh cutthroat businesses cheers sir health wealth and love health wealth and love yeah that's very good yeah that's very good nice smooth yeah i'm a fan of wine i don't know too much about it but that's very smooth yeah what part of france is this ground oh man you know i don't know exactly the part but it's in uh it's in france and i went through a lot of grapes to come up with this blend you know it's uh so you personally involved in selecting everything as well oh yeah do you do you know a lot about wine do you have a background in why do you just know what you like well let me tell you the story how i got in the wine business uh you wouldn't you're not from texas but those that are from texas know that remember this doctor definitely in houston by the name of dr red duke he was a surgeon in houston and i heard him speak about the health benefits where wine was concerned one day and you know he was talking about the uh high wine is good for your heart your blood antioxidants you know all of these things and i became you know kind of soul where wine was concerned and during my wine and down time i started sipping a little bit and ultimately they led me to napa valley where i was able to uh go to quite a few vineyards i was actually negotiating on purchasing a venue or so i got opportunity to view things from the business perspective and that kind of led me to where i'm at today that's a serious baller move when you own a vineyard yeah you know that's why i don't trust the governor in california he owns a vineyard like get the [ __ ] out of here bro you're supposed to be serving the people you're not supposed to be bawling yeah when you're on a vineyard you're a baller yeah that's a baller move you're out there sipping cheers like people yeah someone's bringing over or
derbs right you can only imagine they mixing it up a little bit yeah there's definitely mixing up that's that's some gangster [ __ ] you're owning a vineyard you know that's why you can't trust a politician with a vineyard right i agree yeah i don't trust them when i've been yet so exactly but with a vineyard yeah something about owning a vineyard yeah that's icing on the cake it's a it's a status symbol it's a beautiful status symbol you know um my good friend maynard he's a lead singer of the band tool yeah he's got caduceus vineyards he owns his own vineyard in arizona you know there's something about the creation of wine it's a different kind of artistic pursuit that it's an art that your your taste buds take in and appreciate you know yeah i've developed a deep respect for one i don't know much about it really unfortunately i don't have a lot of time to really learn about wine but yeah i know good wine and this is very good thank you this is delicious toasted loyalty mmm you just said a mouthful though the taste buds is the key west yeah yeah yeah it's an art form for your taste when you get a good glass of wine in it you take that in you're like oh yeah yeah that's good that's smooth this is this is like a great wine with a steak yeah i'm saying exactly exactly so when you met floyd he was the 130-pound champion and did you just immediately started working with him uh yeah but it was a process and it was uh it wasn't easy because i came into a situation where his father and his uncle was his manager and i wasn't embraced uh you know with love you know because they kind of felt like i was imposing on a situation he had a 12 million dollar contract on the table at the time i came in that everybody wanted him to sign and uh floyd called the contract a slave contract before i came but they blamed me for him calling him the contract a slave contract so what was the uh provisions
in the contract that he didn't like well he he just thought 12 million wasn't enough you know what i mean and uh you know ultimately i had to uh go in and do some damage control and one of the things that i told him when you know when i met him i said i can't make this better i don't want to eat off of your 12 million that already been offered to you so i had opportunity to have a meeting with said abraham you know at the time was the uh the president of hbo and i pretty much just asked the guy you know how could we get around this 12 million dollar contract how can i uh make this a bigger contract and at the time he told me about the fighter named diego corrales he's like you know if you all would be willing to fight diego corrales then this could jump up to 35 million or so if y'all was able to beat diego corrales and uh you know that was interesting to me you know i went home and done some due diligence on diego corrales at the time and at that particular time diego had uh jumped on his ex-wife and kind of beat up he had charges you know uh kind of done her pretty bad but bad to the extent where he was facing jail time and and i saw that and i went back to florida i say flawed i said it's a perfect time to fight diego corrales i said i even have a a marketing tool we can whoop him for every battle woman in the united states of america so he heard me out but he wasn't embracing it no no no no no no no j it ain't time to do that right now no no no no so he didn't want to fight diego because diego skill set well you know i don't want to say floyd was scared but at the time you know everybody thought diego could beat floyd he was like 30 and over 29 knockouts diego was a wild man yeah diego was he was a knockout artist and he just felt like it wasn't the time i talked to him for like four hours and couldn't convince him so i decided to go home and i went home about six in the morning and i woke up
about 11 in the morning with a message from him yo yo jay i hired you you know as my manager and uh if you think i should fight him i'll fight him so it was then where you know i was celebrating because i'm like whoa we finna get diego so i called the people at hbo and they told me they didn't have a date they wouldn't have a date to uh next year or something like that and it was then i decided to use uh some of my record label uh talents you know i had to build my record company without having video without having radio you know just pulling publicity stunts so i told florida so here's what we're going to do linux lewis and david tour was fighting at it at the mandalay bay i say during the press conference i'm hearing diego supposed to come to that fight i say during the press conference we're gonna surround diego my head of home is to surround diego and i want you to come and just push him and and we're going to stop the fight right but there's nothing ain't going to be no free fight but you go and get your push in on him we're going to stop it we're going to steal the show that was my objective and uh that came to fruition you know we went and stole the show at the press conference that was saturday night sunday we was on the front page of the las vegas time and you know monday or tuesday i called them and they said oh we got a date for you i love that you're telling me this because i always wonder i always wonder when i see those kind of altercations how many of those are coordinated by a wise man who understands publicity quite a few i would say why wouldn't you yeah why wouldn't you you know it's marketing which you know brings me to one thing one of the things that's going on right now with floyd is he's gonna fight logan paul who's this youtube star which is it's so crazy that a dude who is a youtube star who's a good athlete he's uh you know he he's had a a couple of boxing matches and was a very good
wrestler yeah he's gonna box the greatest boxer arguably of all time yeah i mean if you want to look at accomplishments floyd mayweather is in the argument as the greatest of all time boxing is a sport of being hit or hitting rather and not being hit exactly floyd is the very best ever at that no one's ever stopped him no one's ever even come close i mean it's amazing what he's done is amazing and a lot of people say oh he waited until manny pacquiao was past his prime before he fought him well that's a smart thing to do if you want to stay 50-0 i mean if you look at his career he fought all the great fighters but he did it on his terms when he fought canelo made canelo get down like what was it like 152 i think it was yeah like he's every move he does is perfectly calculated oh yeah yeah you have to you know you just can't make excuses uh where floyd talon is concerned he he one of the best undeniable undeniable no one whether whatever your opinion of him is undeniable how talented he is undeniable no i mean he went in and demolished diego corrales yes but i fell in love with diego corrales heart afterwards so diego ended up going to jail and doing like a a year or two prison time and i went in prison and signed diego corrales you know i signed him into really yeah i uh got the blessings from floyd i said floyd you have a problem with me working with diego he's like no no he good nobody just cause i done him like that don't mean nobody else could do him like that so what was that one wild fight he had where he came close to getting stopped and he stopped the dude one of the fights that made him um do you remember who his opponent was oh that was uh oh boy that's the guy that they thought beat floyd you know everybody said he beat floyd the first fight floyd fought him castillo yes yeah castillo you know they claimed castillo beat floyd the first time and floyd fought him again and demolished him yeah but that fight was
that was the best fight i ever saw in my life diego what a fight crazy crazy and i tell you what was back yeah i'll tell you what was really strange about that so a couple years after that on the same day diego got killed almost around the same time you know right on the next street behind my las vegas place and i was called and uh you know his wife was like somebody say diego had a motorcycle accident so i rushed on fort apache and that diego was on the same exact day you know of his biggest victory a couple years later the same day yeah that was a bummer when he died because there's a lot of those dudes like that that are just wild dudes and you can't stop him from being wild yeah to have a career like he had to make the kind of money that he had and still be just going crazy on motorcycles that what makes them great sometimes does them in is that heart that courage and the the willingness to face fear yeah and some guys get addicted to that they just they get addicted to that feeling of just you know it's dangerous you know you shouldn't be doing it and you just you can't help yourself you gun it yeah yeah and there's something about the motorcycles that make you want to gun them oh they're so thrilling yeah i have to watch myself on the bikes i'm like man do you still ride not as much as i used to but i i like to haul this you know yeah that's a better move yeah slower more control that's what i was trying to get diego on but he told me that's the old man bike got a point i came real close to getting my motorcycle license but when i was uh i was going through the whole thing and you know going through classes and three people i know one person saw someone get hit and two people i know crashed one one crashed and really [ __ ] up his shoulder another one got hit by a car some old man ran a light and and t-boned him and snapped his leg in half and i was like hi this is just too much yeah i kind of witnessed like three or four accidents in one year that made me
decide to slow down on the right side i was passing on the highway and i saw this dude laying down they had a blanket over him yeah and his bike has crashed he's laying down he's got a blanket over him but you can see like his chest his head he's still alive yeah he was just screaming in agony and i don't know what the [ __ ] was going on under the blanket but they wanted to cover it yeah i could imagine yeah it's a terrible way to go but when you're on it it just seems like so much fun yeah it's a it's a high yeah you know it's a high of freedom and you know the wind and everything you know it's like flying like a bird yeah you know i just went there for a minute i know yeah so many fighters love them you know and again it's the thing it's like what attracts them to fighting in the first place is they're you know they're the type of people that face fear they they they enjoy overcoming fear they enjoy the thrill right you know floyd never [ __ ] with bikes though did he no too smart yeah yeah no he never died too smart yeah you know you know the uh the diego corrales fight with floyd was it was a defining fight but you know one of the things that when people point to uh to floyd i say look at the maidana fights because he my donna gave him some difficulty in the first fight but in the second fight floyd boxes ears off yeah floyd put on a clinic in that second fight and that shows you a guy who went back looked at the fight didn't enjoy his performance it was too close and decided i'm gonna [ __ ] this dude up in this rematch and i'm gonna do everything right this time if you observed floyd real closely normally the second half of all his fights he cracked the cold well fighter is concerned no no matter how close it was yep the second half he cracks that code and going into that second fight he gonna figure it out same way andre ward yep you know he was the same way like kovalev right exactly first fights close the sacrifice what wasn't close at all no the crazy thing about andre ward and i have i've had andre ward on the podcast before is that andre
fought most of his career with one arm yeah and people didn't even know they had no idea he literally didn't have a right arm that's true he [ __ ] everybody up with a left hand it's crazy guys like carl frauch and yeah and even kovalev in the first fight yeah i mean it's amazing what he accomplished yeah big ups to andre ward he just got he's amazing you know they just injected him to the hall of fame did they yeah he's a a unique human being yeah very unique because when canelo knocked out kolev there was a lot of talk for you know andre is still young he's still in his prime as a human being he could absolutely fight right now if he wanted to but he decided that he would be better serving boxing as a commentator and as a man with perfect faculties intact yeah retiring undefeated as a champion two division champion gold medalists in the olympics perfect yeah no problems yeah when you look at him and when you hear him talk there's no cognitive decline he's smooth he's articulate he's an outstanding gentleman like as a human being he's a very religious devoutly religious person yeah he's a stunning human being man he is he really is you know in real life you know what i mean i'm coming from a close-up yeah you know he he the same way inside and outside the ring he actually you know it was a lot of millions he walked away from a lot of millions a lot of me because he was the guy that made the most sense if canelo is going to have a light heavyweight super fight he's not really a light heavyweight everybody knows that he stepped up and fought kovalev but kovalev was kind of on the decline and he [ __ ] him up and stopped him yeah but if you wanted to have a guy who's like the perfect foil for canelo at light heavyweight it's andre ward most definitely it's andre ward i mean that would have been amazing if they were in their prime my god what a fight that would have been yeah my god yeah who you liking that fight i would never bet against andre ward i just wouldn't bet against him he wouldn't bet against him yeah i don't
know if i bet against canelo right now though okay oh he's a beast listen i would watch that fight like this yeah no he's a beast canelo is a different human being post floyd have you watched the danny jacobs fight danny jacobs is throwing missiles at his head and he's just standing in there moving and yeah and beautiful head movement beautiful which you know he had a little bit of that early in his career but post floyd his defense just rose considerably once he realized like that dude was in front of me and i couldn't do [ __ ] you know like that's that rub that you get when you fight a real world champion not a world champion but a greatest ever world champion and you realize like wow there's [ __ ] levels to this thing yeah making it better yeah a hundred percent 100 and it definitely made canelo better i mean canelo was going to get better no matter what but there's no question that post floyd it's a different canelo yeah no i just hope floyd leave him alone and don't fight him at this point he's huge now he's so big he's so big yeah floyd's smart he would never do that i mean he's fighting at 175 you know and i think this this weekend's fight is 168 though correct i think so yeah yeah the uh the gentleman is fighting calum is like he's like six foot put pull up the video of uh canelo alvarez there's a face-off between canelo alvarez and uh this weekend's uh opponent it's crazy how tall this dude is like it's it's an interesting fight just based on just the physical aspects of it yeah that guy's a quality fighter too that's not you know gonna be easy for him i don't believe no and he's a dude that's a natural 168 and you look at canelo having started his career as a super as a uh junior middleweight look at this look at that wow look at callum smith look at how big he is that's crazy if he know how to use that reach properly it can be a long night well canelo has that nasty left hook that left hook to the body in titus yeah that's a big gentleman wow yeah and he's a very very good fighter but you know that's what i admire about canelo is that what he's that's what
he's looking to fight he's looking to fight the guys like danny jacobs the guys like calm smith the guys like you know uh sergey kovalev i mean he's looking to fight the the best fights are available for him right now that's true you know he's he's something special right now but i think he became something special like really a lot of it was because of that floyd fight because floyd shut him down yeah if you look at canelo in every other fight it's he's a wrecking machine and that fight he looked like a guy was just puzzled yeah he was posing yeah confused he didn't know what to do it's amazing yeah that i love that i love seeing when when people achieve a level of proficiency that's so powerful that a world champion is standing in front of him go [ __ ] man i got a lot to learn yeah yeah true statement there's levels to it man and i i i witnessed floyd do that over and over yeah i thought they were the best and even in sparring like whoa do you think it's crazy now that he's fighting youtube stars and [ __ ] though um he's making a lot of money yeah brilliant in that regard like the conor mcgregor fight yeah i mean i i actually kind of like him not you know fighting a lot of these young guys you know what i mean i think it's good business moves and you know he's older than this guy and he's smaller that is so big i think the scale balance off somewhat you know the guy younger and he's bigger so he's huge yeah this dude's a 200 pound guy heavyweight it's crazy the fact that he's doing this is crazy and the fact that he's doing this in japan japan doesn't give a [ __ ] did you see that fight that he fought with tension nazukawa yeah yeah that was ridiculous that guy tension is a badass kickboxer like a really good kickboxer but he's 126 pounds he's a tiny little dude and the the japanese people they'd love freak shows they put on some wild during the mixed martial arts heyday of japan they put on some wild fights man they had like 300 pound dudes fight 100 pound dudes they didn't give a [ __ ] they're
like let's let's make some crazy [ __ ] happen yeah anything go they really did they had this guy uh minotauro nogueira who was uh at the time the heavyweight champion of of pride he was like a regular size heavyweight like maybe 240 240 pounds and he fought bob sapp who was 375 pounds with abs just chock full of mexican supplements just smashing people and they they had this crazy freak fight and they did a lot of that in japan japan enjoys watching these people fight that are mismatched size-wise they enjoy that for whatever reason so they enjoyed seeing tension go over there and and fight floyd in a boxing match yeah where he's not really a boxer he's a kickboxer and you know to fight the best ever right when he's 20 30 pounds heavier than he was just ridiculous well we saw what happened yeah well floyd looked like he didn't even train for that fight no you didn't have to you know the guy he's a genius at what he does and uh he knew just what to do just let me walk yeah what was funny when you see him smiling when you see him smiling at him and walking forward yeah it's like an execution yeah well floyd is he's brilliant at that you know like maximizing his profits in his later years you know i mean this that fight was an exhibition but the conor mcgregor fight was a legitimate fight yeah which is crazy a guy with zero professional fights ever steps in there got against a guy who was 49-0 at the time yeah they say show me the dollar well floyd is so good at marketing he's just so smart at that yeah did he learn a lot of that [ __ ] from you um i think uh we taught one another a lot of things you know what i mean but he definitely uh took things to a whole different level with what he done and accomplished yeah um but what happened with you guys you guys have fallen out right well i think it was more so uh the group of guys he was with and some of my guys you know and i i wrote about it in
in my book the art and science of respect yeah i uh i wrote about that story basically uh you know they had convinced him to uh uh not want to pay me after all the creative work that was put in and you know i uh was able to uh change his mind that's what i heard but you guys are still yeah no we're cool that's the homie yeah beautiful you know it never was about he and i you know we just uh uh had to agree to do the right thing and we was able to do that and hey that's the homie it's unfortunate that you know he didn't recognize your talents and uh have you stay involved with them you know well you know his people didn't yeah i should say you know i i enjoyed the journey i was with him for four years and i helped lay the foundation that he was able to build off of and uh you know i'm grateful for i was grateful for that because that ignited my whole career where boxing was concerned so you know life goes on yeah yeah um who you you work with shakur stevenson right now oh yeah yeah i'm shakur stevenson oh man i got how many fighters do you have in your roster currently i think like like 14 fighters i have and i love that this is a passion project for you that you this is not like your main source of income by any means this is just something you truly enjoy yeah no i really love this i actually caught stephen tony yoko jared anderson tucker jihad tucker julian rodriguez mazzy duke reagan troy isley so all levels oh man all levels man yeah i've what i've done and what i'm doing right now is actually uh making a move to take over you know i'm predicting in 2021 22 i should have a champion at every weight now do you have interest in your management and promotion do you have interest in putting on shows no no you know in boxing you can only choose one of them right you can't participate in in both worlds so i'm a manager i
negotiate against the promoters i protect the fighters that's the big issue with fighters what i was going to get to that is that fighters seem to have more conflicts like this [ __ ] that happened with bob arum and terence crawford that that turned my stomach when you got a guy as good as terence crawford who legitimately could be one of the all-time greats it might be already one of the rare like a switch hitter who's just as good orthodox as he is at southpaw figures everybody out yeah beats everybody and then he talks crazy [ __ ] like about losing money promoting his fights like what the [ __ ] are you talking about maybe you're doing a shitty job promoting him you got in your roster one of the greatest of all time a real stone cold killer yeah terence crawford is a stone cold killer and you should be singing his praises knocked out kell brook with a jab yeah it was basically a jab it was a jab yeah i mean it's crazy and then just i mean that's what started the party and then beat the [ __ ] out of him afterwards but he's something really unique yeah no terence is one of a kind you know no doubt about it he's a special fighter but for bob arum to say that i was like it turned my stomach i was like what are you doing how can you say that like keep that if you're losing all that money like first of all keep that [ __ ] to yourself but what you should be saying is how good is terrence crawford you should be letting everybody know you should be shouting it from the mountaintops look how good this guy is we can't get this guy fights because people are terrified of him because of this because he knocks out kell brook with a jab because he [ __ ] everybody up he figures people out he figures you out orthodox then he switches up southpaw on you and starts beating the brakes off you he's something really unique i'm a giant terence crawford fan me too love that dude i can't wait to see him fight aerospace whoa was that gonna be interesting yeah especially after spence his his recent victory over danny garcia yeah yeah
spence is something special too i thought when that car accident happened i thought oh my god oh my god yeah what's crazy is he survived because he didn't have his [ __ ] seatbelt on that's what's crazy that's real crazy i think he well let's go further than that he survived because the creator protected him something happened you know what i mean i mean if you want to believe the creator's protecting anyone he protected earl spence that day yeah most definitely because that that was uh you know he's one of the fighters that's actually sponsored by my company on it as well okay we sponsored earl like early on like years ago okay he's uh he's a special fighter and he hasn't had the right dance partner to show his true greatness you know he's he's he's had great fighters you know to to establish the fact like mikey garcia like man he's something he's something unique and special but it's gonna take a fight like the terence crawford fight and that's if you're a boxing fan that's the that's the obvious fight to make you know it's like tyson fury anthony joshua that's the obvious heavyweight fight to me yeah and the obvious fight at that weight class is earl spence and terence crawford it has to happen sooner than later sooner than later right you don't want it to be like pacquiao and floyd where it happens too late right yeah what's happening here pound for pound rankings errol spence jr passes terence crawford what blasphemy wow blasphemy that's some shenanigans who wrote that yeah that's shenanigans i don't agree with that number one canelo in ua number two um that's interesting too i don't agree with that either you know they think but they're great those are great fighters pound for pounds always weird though too right yes it's political yes yeah it is political there's nothing wrong with like thinking that errol spence is one of the greats right now he is but i think he needs a victory over someone like terence crawford
he's been doing his thing you know uh he's been doing his thing but uh they just need to fight sooner than later yeah you know what i mean let's let's put all of that little wrestling yes to sleep and get lip wrestling yeah isn't that the thing though with promoters though in boxing it's very difficult to get champions to fight champions when they're represented by different promoters yeah that becomes political as well and and hopefully uh those boxing promoters i know i know top rank want to fight terrence i mean you want to fight spence so it's just a matter of and who is spence with uh al haymon okay yeah just come out of them coming to the table and making it happen yeah they just have to agree on terms it's an exciting time for boxing though you know boxing comes in waves yeah and right now it's an exciting time for boxing there's a lot of great matchups out there yeah it is i'm excited about shaquille stevenson did you see him fight the other night i didn't no he didn't watch the fight he to me he gonna be a mayweather on steroids really yeah i i really view him up on the ladder like that well i it's one of the fights that i set aside that i have to make the time i'm just too goddamn busy yeah sit down and watch it i mean it wasn't nowhere near close it was kind of like a lot of flawed fights in the beginning stages where you just dominate every round wow but you can still see that sweet art of what he was doing and like wow okay he gonna do the same thing you know on the other levels it's an interesting time now because these fights are being held with no audience you know or very limited audience like uh anthony joshua's fight they held it in london and there was some audience members but they were very spaced out yeah and what do you think about that well i think we have to adjust to you know the world and the reality of what's taking place right now you know in a perfect world you know i miss the sounds yeah you know the yeah that whole thing where the audience is concerned that's that's missed dramatically but hey we have to adjust and do things by
the rules so i miss it but i have to tell you um calling ufc fights live with no audience there's two different i i view it as this way it's almost like going to see an acoustic concert versus like a big arena filled with people in a like a a rock concert right like with electric guitars versus an acoustic guitar there's something about the intimacy of these shows where the fights are taking place with no audience you could hear the cornermen screaming out instructions you could hear the grunts when dudes get hit you can hear the heavy breathing it's like first of all for me as a commentator to be there live i feel so fortunate because i'm like i'm one of 20 people that's in in the room to watch this world championship fight and there's something about it that's like it makes it extra special yeah even watching the fights at home i kind of like it i like i like no audience you hear more no that's true yeah that's true you got a point i mean i i like it both ways but if i had to choose i want the people there yeah yeah well yeah if i had to choose i'd want the people there because i want more people to experience and i want to be selfish yeah but if i'm being selfish i kind of like no audience you just hear more that's real but there's something wild about some about crazy when crazy [ __ ] happens and the whole place gets on their feet and goes nuts yeah and then when the fight is over just the roar of the crowd there's something there's something wild about that and it's something wild about a fighter that may be down and he energized by yes the crowd and make a come pack yes you know yes yeah so is that like what your most satisfying business venture like being involved in boxing yeah it is that's that's my first love and uh you know i just i just think boxing is the most exciting sport in the world you know so i'm i'm in love with boxing and i i uh feel more joy in that space than a lot of the other businesses that i'm in well it's uh it's such a pure sport yeah you know the the highs are so high and the lows are so low and you know especially when it comes to
knockouts the the finishes are so definitive what how what is your take on this uh this whole deontay wilder [ __ ] uh you know man i don't i don't uh understand what's going on you know with uh deontay uh from what i'm hearing is they may be trying to stop the fury and joshua fight from taking place and you know my thing is if he's not gonna fight get out the way yeah let the movement continue because i don't like i tell you what i think he missed the opportunity he should have fought fury and december because i think he may have would have had an edge conditioning wise because fury you know wasn't in that gym properly no he wasn't no i don't think he was in that gym properly around that time so so after the rematch fury slacked off well i don't know how much he slacked off but i do know you know he wasn't where he was supposed to be he gets fat he likes to get fat he parties a little bit yeah yeah yeah it's just it it bothers me because uh you know i've talked to deontay i had deontay in here and i have a lot of respect for him and i have a lot of admiration for him and his power is legendary his power is crazy his power's like he's got magic yeah you know when he knocked out ortiz he hit him in the forehead and just shut his lights out it's like who the [ __ ] does that it's like it's magic but when i saw first of all you get rid of breeland mark brelin is you know olympic gold medalist former world champion just not just a great fighter but a great human being a great coach yeah and was looking out for his best interest when he stopped that fight he knew what was happening he's like this has to stop and then the excuses yeah the excuses bother me yeah because when fighters stop making weird excuses that means that no one's around them to go hey man
stop stop stop stop stop what the [ __ ] are you saying yeah what the [ __ ] you saying your costume was the reason why you got knocked out yeah and then it wasn't just the costume then it was like somebody might have poisoned him yeah and then it was tyson fury has egg weights in his in his gloves wow and then it was the gloves aren't on properly so that you know the knuckles were at the bottom part of the glove and the top part was just flopping around wow it doesn't make any sense and it doesn't make any sense for a guy who's in boxing yeah because anybody who knows how tyson fury fights and understands boxing tyson does a lot of this [ __ ] he does a lot of like he's he's showing you this to set you up with that right because the hands are flopping around because he's being loose and he's giving you this right and people like your hand doesn't bend back that way well the [ __ ] it doesn't it does when you do that it might not if you go like this it doesn't go all the way up but if you do that that's exactly what happens and he's doing that with his hands he's flicking his hands out there showing him that and then and then dropping the right hand on him i was in training camp with tyson fury i i have a heavyweight by the name of jared anderson that sparred with tyson fury to help him get ready for that fight and tyson fury was working hard and that jab and everything that's being complained about he was doing the same thing and sparring wasn't nothing to it you know what i mean it's organic and you know you just got to tip his hat to the guy he was a better guy that night yeah and he worked hard i witnessed him he worked hard for that fight and he was victorious it's just sad when a great champion like deontay wilder had literally knocked out every single opponent other than tyson fury and steven in the first fight yeah i mean he had an incredible record when you look at the guy's record he has one single decision every other fight he won by knockout who the [ __ ] does that who the [ __ ] does that tyson couldn't accomplish that no one accomplished that you can make a real argument that deonte
wilder up until that second tyson fury fight was the greatest knockout artist of all time yeah especially in the heavyweight division may not have definitely didn't face the stiff competition that mike tyson did or that any of the other greats did larry holmes did or many greats but what he did was extraordinary the kind of power that he exhibits is just a key like like uh teddy atlas said it best it's like he's like thor he's like he's got that hammer yeah like it does he's like it's an eraser erases all the mistakes you might have made in the earlier round it's from the jungle i don't know it's from it's from the center of the earth man that's like the earth's core inside his glove it's crazy his power is crazy but sometimes and i'm sure you see this as a manager sometimes when a person has extraordinary gifts like the extraordinary gift of power they don't develop the technical aspects of boxing yeah the way a person who maybe has soft hands does yeah that's true and and even with speed a lot of times you know what i mean if they get away like roy jones for example i think he got away years because of speed and his fundamentals yes wouldn't it sound as uh you know they should have been well you saw that in the hopkins rematch right because bernard hopkins was all about fundamentals yeah all about defense and discipline yeah and hopkins lost a close decision to roy in the first fight but then beat roy in the second fight when he was actually older than roy but roy's decline was more obvious because roy's game was so dynamic he was all about leaping left hooks and when roy was in his prime he was a force of nature oh yeah i mean he really really was roy was in my opinion the most impressive physical specimen inside a boxing ring i've ever seen a lot of people don't know but roy was faster than flawed that's crazy yeah a lot of people don't believe that because he was light heavyweight his speed was faster than floyd speed i can't believe it [ __ ] i've witnessed it [Laughter] it's crazy speed man it wants to speed
you know fall the times is undefeated undefeated you know what i mean so when he started arriving you know things change [ __ ] just kind of go downhill to a certain extent well i think it was that but i really think a big factor was the the beating john ruiz at heavyweight and then draining his body down to 175 to go back and fight tarver again yeah to fight tarver in the fight harvard again it's just it was too much weight loss wow man you know now that's a whole nother story because i had a meeting with roy jones and mike tyson at my ranch for them to fight one another before that fight really yeah how long ago oh i i got that in the book also the picture and everything me roy and mike tyson at the ranch and uh we actually left there in agreement to to make that fight and uh you know right toward the end i think me and roy we went and met with the malouf brothers uh at the palms there it is yeah and uh you know roy decided i think i think uh uh what's the name tara was talking so much [ __ ] man until roy was like let me go let me go take care of him one more time and i was like right man let's get that bird you know in the hand versus that one in the bush [Laughter] yeah he went to take care of tawba man that's the only reason that fight didn't come to fruition tarva's no joke yeah tarver's real when when tarver is standing in front of roy at the rematch and he goes you got any excuses tonight roy like right before the farts before the fight starts like oh my god yeah that kind of threw me off when i heard it i said what that dude talking about in the ring the roy and then the wind by knockout after that wow yeah tarver's uh he doesn't get the respect that he deserves either tarf was a great great boxer yeah i think he's still active as a heavyweight too right like up until recently i believe he had a fight within the last couple of years yeah i think he uh got
disciplined because of uh uh steroids or something and yeah in kansas you want to go to heavyweight yeah you got to get involved with mexican supplements you're a good guy though i like talking yeah yeah talented fighter yeah very talented fighter yeah yeah it's funny how those things play like line up like it could have been mike tyson versus roy jones jr when they're both in their prime right it's true i really like the way bernard hopkins was able to you sort of what you saw the way he done tarva i think that was yeah it was amazing the way he just dissected hopkins shuts people down when he fought felix trinidad i will never forget that because everybody thought that felix trinidad was this young up-and-coming lion and i believe bernard was about 36 at the time and people were writing him off but bernard hopkins beat the brakes off of felix trinidad yeah and i remember watching that fight i'm like my god yeah he done the same thing with a guy i used to manage uh winky wright oh yeah i remember that i remember that winky wright was a great defensive fighter too yeah he was so clever so clever well i mean how about what he did with kelly pavlick oh yeah that was another everybody was like well now for sure it's over right you know this is years past felix trinidad kelly pavlik's a knockout artist you know and everybody's like well this is going to be the one no no yeah sweet size he had it down pick well he was just so smart at being safe and roughing you up and knowing how to be like aggressive on the inside and clenching you and frustrating guys and just his fundament he was never out of position his fundamentals are so good his defense is so good yeah no it's one of them special type of fighters for a long time long time world class deep into his late 40s yeah world class crazy i mean well that's why he had to change his nickname from the executioner to the alien because people like how the [ __ ] are you
doing this push-ups between rounds yeah crazy yeah no he's extraordinary i love his story too because when he went to jail and then got out one of the guards said i'll see you back in here and he remembers that guy and remember using that as motivation like the [ __ ] you will yeah we got crazy jamie do we have a broom uh we can get something all right we'll leave that alone for now it's just a glass yeah but it's um the whole sport of boxing is uh there's a lot of life in that it's like what you put in is what you achieve like your results are dependent upon the way you process things and the way you approach things oh yeah there's so much to that and that's one of the things that i love so much about combat sports is that they're how much you put into that yeah is it was what you get out of this right you know it's it's just like the universal lives i mean laws of life you know you reap what you sow and if you decide to take a shortcut it's gonna show yeah yeah it's got a show now as a person that is you're you're so much you're so invested in in discipline and respect and honor like uh it's kind of a perfect sport for you to be involved in in a lot of ways because it represents so many of those different aspects of human character yeah yeah i agree i hadn't thought of it in that aspect but you're right you know you're right but i just man i'm just in love with the sport of boxing and it just been that way since i was a kid for some reason like a magnet i remember seeing don king with the hair and yeah muhammad ali and man i was mesmerized like wow that looks special i got interested in boxing when i was a little kid my parents were hippies like they weren't into boxing but when muhammad ali had a rematch with leon spanx after muhammad ali lost his title leon spanx and then
had a rematch my parents made us all watch it because muhammad ali represented way more than boxing to the culture to just to human beings at the time he represented this guy who stood up against the vietnam war right who who who stood up for people in a way that he risked his career oh yeah got shut down for three years in his prime after arguably like one of his most devastating performances he fought cleveland big cat williams lights them up like a christmas tree yeah and then they make him take three years off just because he wouldn't fight in the vietnam war yeah yeah noah lee actually put his life on the line yeah that's why i call him the greatest of all time because of the the things he done outside of the ring and the things he stood for yeah he was something other than just a world champion other than just a boxer and i remember when my parents i don't know how old i was at the time i was probably eight or nine years old but my parents maybe sat sit down and watch that fight i remember thinking i can't believe my parents give a [ __ ] about boxing like what is this and i think that was what got me really interested in boxing yeah yeah it was bigger than boxing when i leave took that yes you know that stage man he special special especially i went to his funeral and uh i never had experience like that with all the cultures and different things i was i was like stunned wow you know people from all over the world was that speaking really yeah it was really interesting well i mean when he was alive he was the most famous human being on earth yeah you know i guess hearing about that was one thing but to actually be sitting there and witnessing you know all these different people from around the world you know what he meant to them i was like wow this was a special guy he was a special guy and there's a lot of lessons to be learned both good and bad from his life
as well you know particularly talk about the end of his career right but some of the saddest [ __ ] and and not just that but the the way he was taken advantage of yeah and you know that his need for money that he had not prepared properly and invested properly and just lived a little too loose and wild and then had to take those fights like with trevor berbick yeah those are sad fights yeah definitely the one with uh who was that he fought not for uh larry holmes harry holmes oh man i i left that fight kind of upset with holmes yeah a lot of people were you know what i mean i really think he went uh that extra he didn't have to but he he went there well he was his farm partner yeah he was ali's sparring partner for a long time and i think there was probably a bridge he had a cross to consider himself like the real champion and i think it ruined his career because i think larry holmes never really got the respect that he deserved because of that because people resented him yeah for you know for doing that and then also just living in the shadow of ali yeah you can only imagine how many whoopings he took from ali coming up yeah you know that thing went deeper than what was in front of the tv the problem is we didn't see that all we saw was this beloved champion who's this cultural icon get the [ __ ] beat out of him by this young up-and-coming champion yeah just like with uh kobe and jordan i remember seeing kobe like [ __ ] jordan down in the all-star game and i was like man raise up code we let the clear jaw and shine this last game you know but kobe wasn't trying to hit yeah you can't yeah at least that's acceptable yeah cause in basketball it's you know it might have felt terrible for jordan yeah but it's not a beating right that's the thing about boxing is you pay for it with your health yeah that and those consequences the consequences of a big like meldrick taylor was never the same after the julio cesar chavez fight oh it was never the same boy wasn't that a brutal fight man i'll fight man when richard steele
stopped it was like two seconds to go on the clock or something crazy whoa but that's a great example that i always use of a fight where the fighter is never the same again yeah you don't recover from some fights some fights take all of it out of you yeah leave it right there yeah he was never the same after that never and then i remember his fight with terry norris after that yeah you could see that he was just not the same he wasn't the same guy and tara is not the same guy he's not the same guy now that's for sure yeah well he had a lot of rough fights too julian jackson yeah you know man you're a real student about i love boxing love it the heart i feel like i'm sitting there talking to encyclopedia man you know the game man yeah well yeah julian jackson was one of those rare special punchers special special power yeah you know but then when julian met gerald mcclellan gerald mcclellan's like i'll show you a special puncher yeah you know yeah and look what happened with him that's another one right yeah well that was one of one of the things that i talked to roy about but that made roy like really second guess and and think about his career because when gerald mclellan was coming up he was thought to be the big rival for roy jones jr yeah everybody thought that's going to be the big fight when those two guys get together that is going to be our version of in that weight class at that time of what we want to see with terence crawford and earl spence yeah same kind of thing like two just destroyers like what happens what happens when you get these guys together i want to see right and then gerald fought nigel that um what a fight that was yeah that was a tough one that was a i mean you could still watch it to this day and what a [ __ ] war that was and the fact that nigel ben made it out of that first round yeah unbelievable what heart unbelievable what a heart yeah i mean gerald mclellan was nuking everybody just nuked them just boom boom yeah and nigel ben through the ropes and everything where everyone's like this fight's over yeah
nope it kind of you never had opportunity to see him come to fruition and that reminds me of ikebuchi um yes that's a heavy weight i'm gonna really like oh my god he's a piece right when he beat david tua everybody was like holy [ __ ] yeah guy baoboochy was terrifying yeah he would but he got in some serious trouble right yeah you did it yeah yeah in las vegas well there was talk of him coming back at 40 years old he was going to get released from prison yeah he got out he did get out yeah he got out it just didn't didn't work yeah it was too late i went visited him when he was uh in jail or in las vegas uh and man they brought him out in shackles and the guards were like you're here to visit him man he'd been beating up all the the cell mates the inmates the you know the guards yeah yeah he was he was letting them have it in there that is the last dude you want to talk [ __ ] to in jail yeah god damn he's a beast man whoo like a big holy feel yeah huge dangerous jacked yeah what they call him the president that was his nickname right yeah my god he was a tank man special dude and when he went to jail everybody was you know boxing fans are like oh no he just whatever he had that rage inside the ring yeah that rage uh continued throughout life certainly you lie you did please here we go brother thank you i appreciate it cheers yeah thank you thanks for being here man i really appreciate it thank you for having me i'm enjoying every moment what do you think about these guys that are decided to fight again in their 50s guys like tyson roy jones jr now holyfield as well you know i enjoyed the last fight i did too yeah i mean i think it's different but you know i like it as long as uh they don't jump in with these younger guys yes that's exactly how i feel that's exactly how i feel i mean i i love the change yeah i i enjoy both of them coming out of the ring like they went in yes you
know what i mean of course they got them a payday so i like it i i really i'm really looking forward to seeing holyfield holyfield has been working non-stop non-stop yeah holyfield's a unique character maybe yeah he's unbreakable he might lose he might lose to people but that's just because of the limitations of the human body not because of his mind yeah like his mind is unbreakable that guy has confidence in himself that never ends oh man and character just just the the ability to drive forward and conquer those fights with riddick bo my god my god crazy wars with riddick beau yeah war people forget about those wars yeah oh my god when i was a kid when watching those fights like you'd be like this is madness yeah these guys were going to war i couldn't believe his chin holyfield like none other like nobody incredible and then it been that way that shows you how good james tony is because james tony stopped him yeah and i watched that fight recently yeah and jamestown is a middleweight mm-hmm how about that james tony at his best yeah you know he's a technical beast oh my god yeah and one of the greatest [ __ ] talkers of all time he would talk so much [ __ ] just inspiring and fights everything yeah at the ring yes no james tony is a he's amazing that's the home i ran into james tony a couple of years ago yeah at a like some this was uh there was a bar in woodland hills yeah and i was uh i was with some friends i went to meet them sat down i was with my wife and a couple of her friends as well we're having a drink and this dude walks in with a suit and they're like who is that like who is that who the [ __ ] is i i got up out of the chair i go that's james [ __ ] tony and i went over and gave him a hug and said hi to him he had fought in the ufc a few years earlier oh yeah he fought randy couture yeah it didn't last long he just took a payday i don't think he was really training for it yeah he lived in my neighborhood at
the time oh okay so i ran into him at the gas station afterwards right like a couple weeks after the fight also what's up james how you doing he's like i'm good yeah no those guys are the boxers are kind of out of line when they decide to go in there dealing with that ufc business it takes a long time to learn but i think if they approach it correctly if they're young while while they get involved and they approach it correctly see i think one of the more interesting entrants into mixed martial arts is claresh's shields oh yeah because claressa is a beast of an athlete right i mean incredible athlete and young she's young she can still learn all this stuff olympic gold medalist world champion boxer tremendous hand speed technical boxing skills off the charts then she goes and trains with jon jones jon jones who's the greatest of all time yeah so she's training with the greatest of all time and she's learning the wrestling the takedown defense and she's going to have such an advantage with her hands and every fight starts standing up she's going to learn yeah and she's doing the right moves in my opinion she signed with the pfl which is a smaller organization and she'll rack up some wins over there yeah hopefully and then make her way eventually to the ufc and i think that'd be very interesting yeah i spoke with her and she you know was voicing to me her frustration where boxing was concerned and she was really thinking about going over there so i guess she she yeah i talked to her a few years ago on instagram and i said are you interested in are you gonna fight mma because i know you're interested in this because i know she did some sparring with cyborg she said she's thinking about it and we had talked about doing a podcast before i left l.a but um i'm a big fan of hers but i don't think there's any competition for her in boxing i think she's stuck with that look at those belts when it comes to boxing there's i mean who is she gonna fight there's only been a few standout women boxers and the big problem has
always been competition like anne wolfe for example and wolf to this day who has like in my opinion the greatest one punch knockout in the history of women's boxing and and wolf could crack yeah she could and amazing trainer when she was training james kirkland and she's having him do all kinds of crazy [ __ ] like she was she cracked that whip and james kirkland was at his best when he was under the tutelage of anne wolfe yeah right here in austin and wolf is a monster yeah show that one punch knockout because it is crazy and right it's right before that watch this power seriously who's got this kind of power right here boom wow i mean come on and just everything whoa technical had incredible work ethic i mean ann wolfe was a monster but who was there for her who was there laila lee but that never happened yeah yeah laila ali's another one yeah muhammad ali's daughter rose to fame he made some money but what's the competition who's there for her you know it's hard lucia riker never got her dude lucia riker was a beast yeah a beast and she was an elite kickboxer too yeah she's from holland you know which is uh holland is the the birthplace of uh you know muay thai came from thailand but holland they took muay thai and turned it into this style of kickboxes dutch kickboxing right and lucia riker was a beast of a kickboxer couldn't really get the fight she wanted there and decided to go into boxing always chased down christy martin but never got that fight you know christy martin was on a lot of undercards and she got kind of famous coal miners daughter but again it's like they don't get the fights that they want you know yeah that's true it's a hard world yeah oh but it's fair but mma is the only place right now where women can shine for whatever reason where they have like legitimate elite status
where they get a lot of press they get a lot of uh they get the accolades they get the respect they get the money yeah you know yeah that's true do you follow mma at all uh not totally i watch here and now but yeah i i just love that guy that wrestle the bears and oh khabib yeah yeah khabib nurmagomedov was a monster he's a monster yeah yeah he really is a monster he's a monster yeah he's so disciplined so disciplined yeah he's a there's a guy very religious no drinking no smoking no [ __ ] around no nothing devout muslim just just discipline just full dis and a champion's mentality and undefeated undefeated in the most talent-filled weight class in the world at 155 pounds no one's undefeated at 155. this guy is not just undefeated he might have lost two rounds in his whole career yeah might might have maybe just one wow everybody else just gets smashed you know it's amazing where you see greatness you know it's never without that discipline in that individual that's making that commitment to you know become great yeah it's never missing no it's never missing it's never missing you get flashes of of spectacular talent without discipline you know there's there's always been a few guys that were like very talented and you'd see him you're like wow this guy's dangerous he's very talented but without discipline you never develop that sort of legacy yeah that a true champion like khabib has it all always comes with discipline and in real life too a certain expect you know you just don't it don't happen a lot of people call it luck nope yeah they like to call it luck when they don't have the discipline and the time they don't do it they like to call it luck but when someone's consistent over long periods of time yeah pay attention yeah pay attention there's some [ __ ] discipline involved there oh yeah because otherwise they're not going to make it yeah there has to be there has to be that work ethic right it doesn't there's no real long-term success exists without it you can have
these little flashes yeah you know yeah the problem with those flashes is you're you are you're given a gift yeah and you don't give that gift the respect and the justice that it deserves yeah that's that moment yeah yeah versus the movement yes yes yes the moment versus the movement yeah yeah and some people never learn that when you wrote this book was this a book not just to sort of relay the lessons that you've learned in your life but to lay them out for for young people and for people that need this information yeah i think a combination of both you know it was i i come from uh i guess it came from an energy and a situation of me first of all what happened where i was concerned uh you know my wins my losses everything happened in between and i think uh it just like covered ground in areas that i you know wasn't really thinking it would cover but you know just being real you know it's it's something about uh being real i i figured that out where my kids was concerned you know when i uh would speak with them and not try to you know uh sugar coat different things but just the the butt naked authentic authentic truth you know i noticed they embraced the truth just a little better than trying to sugarcoat things so in my book i just raw and uncut you know this is how it was so i'm gonna just tell it like it is was this a calling for you did you have like this feeling in your head that you needed to do this and write this all down yeah i definitely feel like uh it definitely was a calling because i was a guy that i enjoyed being a quiet storm in the music industry i i never if anybody that followed my uh you know my track record and thing from the past i was low-key and it came a point where i called it the spirit kind of moved on me to uh you know i might effect is living out my purpose
you know what i mean it's one thing to engage with your talent and show everybody your talent and then i think as human beings as we evolve then as a time for purpose and in my purpose i want to inspire uplift you know kind of help my fellow man to a certain extent so all of that was the movement that caused me to want to share you know my story so was it all the lessons that you learned in your life they're just sitting in your mind and you're saying like i have to share these these are these are valuable for other people and it will help other people yeah most definitely i knew when i had to go back and like really think of the things that i had came through uh i didn't really do that before i wrote the book i just went to like uh recording my stories on on paper and i'm like wow you know i came from a lot of [ __ ] i went through a lot of you know trials tribulations and different things like that that i know people go through you know because as i would travel around the world everybody asked me how you done this what when where how you was able to accomplish these things so it was like a build-up was taking place over the years that okay i need to share you know my glory because everybody want my story no everybody want my glory but everybody don't want my story you know what i mean yeah yeah well one of the things that's so valuable about a book like this is for young people they get to read all the things you went through and it gives them it gives them a structure it gives them an idea what's possible for themselves when they see someone they admire someone that's become extremely successful and they read how it all went down and then they apply that in their own life they think about their own life it's very valuable like a book like this can be fuel to a young person that's that's thinking about how do i become successful how do i become someone that i like the people that i admire well you read a book by the people that you
admire and you you try to figure out what they did and you read what they were thinking what it was like for them and you absorb that and take it in yourself yeah no absolutely that's absolute absolutely true um it's it's kind of hard to get a lot of people to read and i was one of those people and that's why you know on my journey now you know i really try to express and explain to them that readers are leaders you know if you want to become a leader it's important to read because it was reading that really caused my career to go to a whole nother level when i started reading you know because i was kind of uh where i come from reading wasn't wasn't popular it was like a boring thing to do but it's a lot of power in reading and uh you know i wanted to be an example to uh people like myself you know that didn't believe and read no or just if you're interested in how to turn nothing into something if you're interested in the structure and the different rules of how to do things then pick up a book get the art and sign some respect what were the books that inspired and and educated you when you first started reading um the biggest one that was life-changing to me was think and grow rich by napoleon hill yeah yeah yeah very interesting book yeah very and what it done for me that particular book i had a lot of gifts and a lot of powers that i was unaware of and i also wasn't aware of the importance of structure you know organizing and goals writing the goals down and different things like that so when i read that book you know it it was i tell everybody it was like a lot of uh biblical readers are familiar with with moses when he went up to get the ten commandments and he came back with his eyes on fire and like you know what i mean he had saw something special when i read that book that's what happened to me a lot of uh you know my brain cells that was closed
was open because you know i understood that i didn't really necessarily need a degree you know i was in bondage for a long time thinking because i didn't have a degree i couldn't accomplish and become certain things that left immediately you know what i mean and that's the importance of people you know being able to identify with people that you know came from a place that they came from you know what i mean i didn't have that but i figured out how to do it so you could figure out how to do it the same way you know i did without you know of course we uh definitely push people toward you know education because you know i understand real clearly a lack of education and bad habits is what you know can cause you to stay in bondage it's beautiful though you promote that's self-education it is education yeah i mean education doesn't just have to be at a school where you have to pay and go to you can get a tremendous education from books yeah that's true were you did someone refer that book to you did you did someone try to get you to read these books or did you just find them on your own you know that particular book every night you know in my life since i've been like nine years old you know i've been a praying man i always pray for wisdom knowledge and education and when that book you know came in my hand i felt like it was answered prayer you know what i mean so when i started reading the book i couldn't put it down you know what i mean and it caused me to uh i think i stayed in my room for like two days and when i came out i i like re-constructed my whole company at rapalot you know i went and like you know buying out my partner you know i had a meeting with him you know and i told him i say i want to run my company now you know what i mean because i had been using him for years as the guy up front he had the degree and you know i felt like
you know he was more qualified to do these things than i was so i stayed in the background worked in the studio with the artist and just made sure product was you know being done but after reading that and educating myself that you are fully qualified more than qualified to do this i had a meeting with him and tried to convince him to take a back seat and let me run the situation which led to me having to buy him out because he didn't feel i was qualified so against all odds i bought him out and the banker the distributor everybody was trying to discourage me and everybody was saying i'm gonna be out of business in six months if i do that so i wasn't trying to hear any of that you know what i mean i fired like 25 people and kept like three and within them six months i had set up a record in rapala that had never been said before financially that's beautiful yeah really beautiful that's a beautiful story yeah did you uh get inspired by any other books after that man i get inspired by uh i'm like on a reading journey right now the master key you know i love that book i don't know if you read them it's a it's another great one that's another one that uh really taught me about the universal laws of life you know what i mean it was important for me to learn about the universal laws because there was a time in my life i was working against the universal laws and to understand how the universal laws operate you know has caused me to uh be able to live a much smoother fruitful life you know without going against them like what specifically about the universal laws okay other words like if you have an understanding let's just say on the law of gravity if you really understand the law of gravity and you understand that if i get on top of this building and jump down and i'm not going to float then you know
you don't have to float right right and if you understand the law of attraction you understand the power of your mind that you can dream of these things and execute a work ethic and different things behind the law of attraction and you focus on that then you can bring that to fruition so you know those are powerful laws that meant a difference to me and when you you do you have a book list of like these these books that have inspired you that you recommend to other people do you have that listed anywhere where anybody can access that yeah is it online or something well i may have a few you got it on your phone yeah but i mean for for people listening to this conversation right now right that want to be as successful as you there's probably like a lot of people like come on jay tell them what you got they want to know about the books yeah oh my god man i mean that's there's uh there's so much in learning what the people that you admire were inspired by because i'm sure you're inspiring people with your work and the people that are inspired by you like well what inspired him how did he how did he get all this juice how did he get all this motivation how did he get all this information yeah no that's true well we definitely can't leave out the word of god you know what i mean um have you oh you've always been a very religious person i don't know if i would call it very religious but always been a believer and uh the bible for example you know proverbs is one of my favorite uh chapters you know i've been able to use proverbs which was written by king solomon the smartest man in the world that has you know when i use those principles i was able to compete with all the degrees in the world you know what i mean from a business perspective from a personal you know like a road map in my personal life just proverbs you know so it's different things like that that i was able to execute that uh you know made a major difference you got a list on your phone there yeah okay
here's a few uh of course think and grow rich compound effect the art and science of respect the passion test the master key system okay so all these books are essentially about success yeah yeah i don't like i don't really uh read a lot of fiction i don't have time to yeah i get it i'm trying to like be better yeah so i'm always like uh chasing that that book that would add to you know what i already have one of the things that i read about you that was crazy was that there was a time where the feds had tried to take you out mm-hmm well you were free yeah yeah you were formulating a company with uh it was suge night and uh was it er irv gotti you're of gotti yeah and you and suge knight were formulating your own distribution company right and what happened well my journey with them trying to take me out happened way before then really oh yeah when did it start i would say it started back in the early 90s you know i was i remember and here's what happened uh here's what i believe with all of my heart you know i'm a guy that made a transition from the streets to corporate america in my early 20s and uh i really believed that they saw greatness taking place with me and i say that because you know as i started making my transition and start prospering i started driving nicer cars you know what i mean i started like uh empowering ex-convicts and different things i'd be a rap a lot we became the number one independent label for years you know with x convicts you know and it's something i put together you know and it was a i used a formula you know i told these guys okay you got to get that world up and i want it completely given up if you coming over here to deal with me because i understood that if you give up 99 and hold on to one they'll take
that one and destroy the 99 so with that understanding we was able to build a number one record label for years but it caused problems because they felt like i was uh money laundering it felt like a lot of things was taking place where my success was concerned and it a lot of animosity built up which ultimately led to dea coming involving them trying to like take my very life but as and we can talk about that part but you asked me about the sugar and irv got it situation what we had done is had a meeting in uh in l.a and we were considering starting a uh black-owned distribution because we felt like it was a need for artists to come after us and we was trying to uh make a better way in a smoother way for them because even back then i saw where change was trying to take place in the industry and they wasn't going loud i call it a conspiracy i saw the conspiracy taking place where they wasn't going to allow any more masterpiece cash money uh uh irv guidance independence yeah independence they was like [ __ ] in that door yeah so you know in my mind i'm like okay i see the move they make and let me counter this and create another avenue for the youth to come in after us and unfortunately i think uh they witnessed the same thing and they hit murder inc which is herb gotti company destroyed it they hit suge knight death row we know what happened with that and they came at me in a massive way you know all the way up to the point where they put a man on me that killed eight people and i really believe you know he was trying to kill me and when you say they put a man on you like in what way they assigned a guy by the name of schumacher you know on me to arrest me to whatever he was supposed to
do but he sent death threats at me and here's a man that killed eight people you know i hired investigators since they was investigating me i decided to hire an investigator to investigate them and that's when i found out this guy killed all of those people you know i brought the investigating report so you can look at it if you choose yeah you showed me outside yeah yeah so you know this was a real life situation that people may hear and think you know this is not true but here's confirmation of how true it was in 1999 you know i reported this with the help of congresswoman maxine waters janet reno because they intervened on my behalf because they saw what was happening and of course we they had a uh what you call that uh uh congressional hearing on me all of this is public information a congressional hearing where the dea and you know it reminded me of the time when clarence thomas was uh being a hearing was taking place over his harassment or something and all of those people democrat and republicans was around you know what i mean had him in a circle so this is the conversation they was having concerning me james prince and i'm watching this you know on uh on video i'm not invited but i'm watching them have this conversation about me about the congressional hearing and uh i'm just like wow you know these people want me pretty bad but a long story short you know they were able to speak up on my behalf and you know which ultimately or so many connections to this because even al gore you know came in a portrait where they tried to set me up at my church with al gore al gore came to visit my church you know which when you're running for president you visit a lot of black churches and stuff like that and my pastor wanted me to meet al gore that day so when i pull up you know i was married
at the time you know i told my wife i say all these people ain't here with the president because i was watching body language you know i saw black glasses kind of look in my direction and she said oh come on boy you being leery you know then people are not thinking about you or whatever so i went and heard the sermon and before the sermon was over i say let's go normally i hang around and socialize and of course pastor wanted me to meet al gore i decided to leave and shortly after the dallas newspaper came out with a a story and all of this you can confirm and look it up james prince donated a quarter million dollars to al gore at the church to stop an investigation on him oh man just a bunch of bs unbelievable you know what i mean so i was being set up news oh yeah it's documented so they created this fake story to make you look bad and they printed it in the news so it had to be coordinated at the very top oh yeah wow yeah what was that like to know they were conspiring against you like that you know first of all you had to feel like oh [ __ ] i must have [ __ ] made it well i didn't quite feel that i had made it i felt like they wanted to hit me yeah you know because like these this guy one night i left my office and a dps officer stopped me he got behind me on the streets when i left out of the office but he stopped me on the freeway and it was the first time i would stop one time to be told to go and stop again so he stopped me on the freeway and told me to go and pull in the mcdonald's parking lot so i say oh okay so as i exit the freeway and looked over in the mcdonald's parking lot it was dark and i saw a carrot a cherry key jeep green
and a cutlass and it was dark so i'm like nah i'm not pulling in that dog so i kind of told him i'm gonna pull in the shell station where the lights were so um and i could hear him in the back pull [ __ ] over on his on his thing make a right i'm like i'm gonna go over here so i went over there in the light i had some guys behind me following me because they had been sending me threats so i'm not stupid so i understood that you know i need to cover myself until i make it home and uh when i pull over you know the officer got out and he said why you didn't pull over like i told you i say sir i didn't want you to think i was trying to hurt you in that dog and i didn't want to think you was trying to hurt me what's the problem ah what where you were swerving i said no i say you got the wrong man i don't drink i don't smoke with no swerving going on with me well uh where are your guns right how do he even know i have guns i gave him my gun lights and i said well you know i have guns i haven't even given you my license so i gave you my license i say my hands on the steering wheel my guns are under my seat well well get out the car get out and say okay i don't have a problem with that how much money you have i say you want to borrow some money or something why you asking me about my money so he told me to go in the back of the car so i went back there and uh he went and searching my car you know he in there i see him like moving around with things but he went on the passenger side so i walk around i say man why are you violating my right searching my car and he jumped get back i'm looking for the gun i said i told you where the guns are clearly you then passed them up you got my clips out so anyway he came back and i could
see him making eye contact with the car with the people across the street and eventually one of them drove over and this was an officer by the name of chad scott he had like black paint on his eyes in an army fatigue type of a uniform and him and also you know translated some words and he came back to me and said okay you free to go and gave me a warning ticket you know a warning ticket and it was then when i got home i realized a bullet or two was missing so red flags like oh [ __ ] yeah like one up i'm like damn why would they keep one of my bullets why were they trying to pull me in the dark this was before i knew you know schumacher had killed eight people you know what i mean so you know i went home and that really caused me to uh you know want to protect myself and want to document why i wanted to protect myself so bizarre that they would take bullets too because without the rifling from your particular gun like all it's establishing is the same round you use right it doesn't mean anything yeah i didn't know it's weird you know i just counted them and i'm like when you said that they were threatening you like death threats like what kind of death how are you receiving these what they were doing and it's an investigative report people that worked for me you know i had a street team that would promote my records in different clubs at night what they had done was jumped on a couple guys they pulled them over they took them down to the station stripped them naked you know jumped on them took their jewelry you know all kinds of stuff and send messages let him know you know we're going to do this we're going to do this which eventually when i made my report they end up finding the jury in different things that i reported that you know god told them these guys you got road cops
i say y'all put a hitman on me you got two road cops that's doing this and doing that and i'm in fear of my life you know i just wanted to be known because if a situation takes place and i come out on top then i don't want nobody to be mad at me right because i'm gonna protect myself yeah yeah how long did this period of turmoil last because it seemed like that would be incredibly stressful well it went on for years years you know yeah even before the end they stopped me one night and they they planted a appeal on me called ecstasy you know and how where'd they put it they put it here's what happened i was in the back seat first of all the police stopped me and this was an officer i had a run in with with a pistol case and i beat the pistol case so he stopped me on uh richmond one night and he was like well how did you beat that case and he knew it was me because i had rap light on my license plate how did you be i said man i don't really want to talk about that i said i'm trying to go to a party you know why are you stopping me so it made me get out put me in the back of the police car kept me there you know talking to people for you know quite a long time and he decided to take me off the main street to a side street and it was then where he took me out of one car and took me to another car with two more younger rookie officers and shortly after he came out with a pill in the back of the first car look what we have here and i'm like you know when i seen that taking place i said to the two officers i say man i say i've been in here y'all know he's now you're not trying to do that that's not look what we have here look what we have here and before i know it i was headed to the police station and they charged me with a pill call ecstasy and i
immediately got out of jail took a test a drug test took a lot of take to test just to prove you know i had nothing to do with any of that so they tried to get me to cop out for probation and cop-out i'm like no so the peel changed from x's ecstasy to drent tranzact whatever that field is and it changed again it was constantly changing as they test the pill and they was basically trying to get me to cop out for something and i wouldn't and eventually the case was dismissed so how many years did all this go on for you said it went on for years how many years i would say 10 years 10 [ __ ] years 10 years of better i was a target how did you stay calm during that time because that's got to be incredibly stressful yeah it was you know because like in the hood where i'm from you have to survive the guys that's in the hood because they trying to get you you know wherever success is concerned they trying to get you and the police that's supposed to be protecting me the ones i'm paying all these taxes to have became uh uh a enemy where they was trying to get me so it it was very stressful but after so long i became immune to it it's almost like you know i had a made-up mind because i was on a journey to break the poverty curse where my family was concerned that was my whole drive i'm like i got to get my mother this house that she always wanted you know i come from the projects so i was dealing with a power that was greater than the powers from the streets and from the police and i was like you know no weapon form against me going to prosper so you know i had that mentality i wrapped it around spirituality and you know i said god be for me the world could be against me and you know it just became like a a lifestyle dealing with them people so you just developed an immunity yeah i had to like being around sick people exactly yeah
yeah so the dea was trying to pin a case on you about they figured there must be some money laundering going on because because you're from the hood because you're incredibly successful wrap a lot records is killing it yeah like there's got to be something else going on they probably can't help themselves they didn't think that you have the kind of discipline that you had yeah and they probably felt you kept one foot in the streets you kept one foot in in either the drug game or some some some kind of crime they catch you on so here's what they ultimately done though and you know uh of course you know i had x convicts and different things working for me so what they actually actually done was they got a female that was spending money with one of my groups now with two or three of my groups bringing them to new orleans and different things to do different concerts and this particular female end up dating one of my guys that was working for me and she was a fat she was a she was a snitch and she was trying to work out off a situation so she's spending money with him she's giving sex to him and which ultimately led to her setting up a situation where she told him oh i have these two college guys that's coming in town and they have a hundred and some thousand dollars now all you have to do i'm gonna take them to papados and all you have to do is get the key off of the tire of my vehicle and go to the room and get the bag and go free it's a hundred and some thousand dollars in it so my guy that worked for me bit on that but he bit on it in a manner where he sent someone else because he wasn't really hip to conspiracy right so he sent somebody else a guy that's like a nobody you know he sent him to go get it but in the process of him sinning he was with me
this was a guy that was with me it's almost like an angel send me to pick him up and take him to a restaurant and you know when i read the transcripts they having a conversation and he couldn't talk to her because he was around me and he told her that you know i'm around i'm around the homie you know i can't talk right now well why are you with him that's what you're saying you know we're supposed to be handling this business so that conversation is one of the reasons why they couldn't get me he couldn't even have a conversation around me other than that they would have made it appear like i was involved so clearly you weren't involved no real clearly because of those words ah you know so but they was able to penetrate the system by you know getting him and another guy because they bit on that situation and when they got that bag it was drugs in that bag you know they put kilos in that bag even though she told them it was going to be money the feds have a way of doing what they want to do and they was able to stick you know so they basically take kilos from like when they bust someone for drugs they take that [ __ ] and then they use it as evidence and then they use it to set somebody up yeah yeah it should be illegal the way yeah they done that you know what i mean sure it's entrapment yeah it's entrapment and what happened was the same guy that participated in that chad scott if you look up what happened to him a year or two ago he got arrested for doing these very same things you know he's been doing it for a long [ __ ] time yeah if he just got caught think about the lies that he destroyed you know think about the people that it's doing years you know almost life sentences because of what he'd been doing well it's the darkest part of our criminal justice system it's one of the things that i've talked to josh dubin about and and jason fong when he was on here this non-violent drug offenses yeah this this long history of putting people in jail
for non-violent drug offenses and these people are still in jail there's people in colorado right now that are in jail for marijuana possession and they can look out their prison window and see legal marijuana grow operations while they're in jail for marijuana possession of marijuana sales it's crazy no it's crazy you know and it's it's a racist system and you know i hope someday like real soon it changed you know what i mean they're using people like human batteries to generate income because these prisons are all for profit yeah they're private prisons for profit extraordinary amount of them yeah and they they're incentivized to get more people in jail so they use lobbyists to make sure that drug laws stay the same or are even stricter they keep those prisons filled and they generate income from those prisons they use human beings oh yeah they get caught up in that trap literally as batteries they're like batteries to make money or legal slavery legal slavery yeah yes exactly and we think it's over you know well it's the darkest [ __ ] of all time it's like there's no concern whatsoever for where these people came from yeah the situations that they faced the obstacles that they overcame and then the fact that they get set up yeah that some of them are getting set up like this and they're getting set up by people that are being paid in tax dollars yeah it's insanity it's insane and in the future history when they look back at us today these times and these things yeah whatever is honestly discussed and told it'll be a shame it'll be shameful people people will be embarrassed by who we are today yeah no no i agree you know and i i gave the analogy like with my guys it was almost like can you imagine like rehabilitating drug users uh that's going to a class where where they are rehabilitating class and the very officers that we pay our tax to
are circling around that class where they are to try to give them cocaine to to like get them to relapse that's what was happening yeah i suppose happening because one of the things that i describe all the time when it comes to the police is that you have to recognize that cops are playing a game and when you're playing a game the game is arrest the person make the charge stick yeah it doesn't seem like a game because it's it's there's laws and there's perpetrators and there's you know violent offenders there's all these different things that they like to call people and different scenarios but at the end of the day if you're an officer you you have a mandate your mandate is to arrest people and to make charges stick so it becomes like a game yeah that's why prosecuting attorneys they hide evidence that they know will exonerate the person they lie to defense attorneys they withhold information they do this on purpose because they want to win that game because if he can win that game and get more convictions their career will escalate so we've set it up yeah in this way where you're incentivizing people to cheat yeah to steal to to become a cro a criminal in support of law enforcement man i i i you couldn't have said it better you know what i mean that's the reward that's your reward you have to do these things to be rewarded it's crazy it's crazy it's crazy that we accept that it's crazy yeah it's crazy that you can withhold information that you know will exonerate a defendant and you don't get tried with a crime yeah they don't they they get they're scot-free they skate everybody just sweeps it under the rug yeah it's all nothing and that's the pain that we feel you know in our communities yeah a lot of people want to know why you know people act and do certain things you know we become victims of these type of uh this type of hate you know what i mean where because it's not that one person that's doing that time it's the whole family right his kids and everybody yeah and it become
a thing that we feel so deeply you know what i mean where it really like it really affects us in a way man well a lot of people get stuck and start expressing it through hate yes stuck is the best term yeah and it it uh it exacerbates and encourages this feeling of helplessness yeah that doesn't give you an option to get out and even if it's not the grand plan if it's not like i'd like to look at conspiracy theories or any conspiracy on a step-by-step basis and i think a lot of it is just the system itself the way it's set up i don't think these cops are involved in this grand conspiracy but in a way they are because what they're doing whether they know it or not is encouraging this feeling of helplessness because they know that these cops aren't looking out for everybody they're not looking out for you they want to arrest you all their job is to get as many people arrested as possible yeah and a few cops figure their way through it and maintain a good reputation and good cops but those in a lot of cases are the exception yeah and what i witness um and and i can't call them good but what i witness is like i believe it's some some good cops out there but as i as do i yeah but but those that witness and i witness so many of them turn their head you know when they see corruption going on to me they are corrupt just as corrupt as the one that's doing it and a lot of them do that a lot of them do that it's the culture yeah that's uh you know the code of silence yeah yeah and that that's the culture of law enforcement it's uh it's deeply deeply unfortunate you know when you see the floyd mayweath or the uh excuse me um uh george floyd death when when he when that cop is leaning on his neck and the other cops are just standing around right that's the code of silence oh yeah they're allowing it to happen they know that dude's been on that guy's neck for eight [ __ ] minutes and they're just standing there they know yeah but that is
they're all in it together and a lot of times they feel like they have to stand together because the department doesn't defend them internal affairs always looking to bring them down too yeah and their job is to go out and get people and they they get together and they they tell themselves the only people you can trust are other cops and we've got to stick together and these are the rules and you and you're a young cop if you get involved in that you realize early on like your ideas of like law enforcement being this beautiful thing that's out there to protect communities and like no no yeah no it's a game yeah it's a game the game is you gotta arrest people yeah you gotta lie about how fast people are going you gotta plant drugs in someone's car true it's true and and they've been playing that game for so long forever they just happened to catch you know george floyd on on camera because of social media and they're catching so many things but it's a 17 year old girl yeah one 17 year old girl who was on the scene who happened to be filming it with her phone yeah well for example like this d a x a agent schumacher you know eight people that has been killed by his hands you know when we interviewed his lieutenant who had retired he said he always questioned all of those murders that this guy had done because he would lie his story would change you know i had an investigator that actually interviewed this guy so i bought to the table concrete evidence such as that you know and when i was there talking to the head guys who wanted to know why i was accusing the uh dea agent as being a hit man i'm like well give me a better name for him because it was totally unnatural for any officer to use his gun that many times and it was no problem so they just accepted that it was a part of the job oh yeah how did you get this guy off you well eventually what happened was after i came back from washington dc uh somebody was wise enough to well what they done was they went and
searched his desk and his locker him and chad scott and they found evidence that i had told them about such as a wrap a lot piece the jewelry and different things because they were planning yeah yeah they had took this and kept it so they put them on discharge they reprimanded and put them on a desk job and they decided that they didn't want to see he and i run into one another on the streets after i had you know uh documented that i was in fear of my life so that would have looked worse for them than anything so they moved him matter of fact he's out here somewhere the owner of a gun store now retired oh my god [Laughter] that's crazy so you know that's crazy but his other guy his other sidekick is on his way to prison he was found guilty of uh doing the same stuff he never stopped he was a younger guy so he just they moved him to louisiana and he just picked up the ball and started doing everything he was doing in houston and in texas in louisiana and they caught up with him there's a guy named michael dowd who's been on my podcast before he is uh one of the people that was featured in a documentary about a co-op corrupt police precinct called the 7-5 in new york city it's an amazing documentary and he came in and talked to me about on the podcast but literally his first day on the job he watched cops murder somebody and they were told he was told shut your [ __ ] mouth like this is what we do like you're a cop now okay keep your [ __ ] mouth shut and he became a guy who was robbing drug dealers selling drugs protecting drug dealers setting up hits yeah i mean it's madness that's what these guys was doing the same thing it happens different toilets yeah it happens it's crazy it's crazy it's crazy that those are the people that we think of as the good guys yeah yeah and so a guy like you who legitimately is trying to escape that life
you get set up with al gore yeah the guy was running for president right you get dea hit men coming after you trying to set you up like it's amazing that you maintain your calm through all this that you you've you've you've gotten through it without being insanely paranoid yeah and i may be paranoid to a certain extent you might be right you might not be paranoid you might just be aware you know it definitely uh was a situation that i feel scarred me to a certain extent you know it's no doubt about it uh definitely i'm in a i'm in a peaceful more peaceful spot today but in the midst of that journey in that war you know it's like every day you you feel like in your mind you you're legal and you're doing what's right you're a law-abiding citizen and but the reality was you you damn if you do if you do it this way you damn if you you know what i mean i i couldn't like figure it out but i still chose to stay on the side of right yeah i mean i refused to uh to allow them to set me up or get me in darkness and i understood that darkness you know if i campaign in darkness i'ma get elected in darkness so yeah you know it's very admirable it really is because there's this when you have this system that is uh they're they're unsupportive of people escaping the life they want to keep you connected in some way shape or form to crime and they never want to think well here's this inspirational person that not only has escaped but maybe will offer a beacon of light to other young dudes who are in that life who want to escape a man who has become extremely successful look look what he does look what he does he reads he hustles he's disciplined and you can do this too and he has escaped the life yeah instead of that yeah they look at you like a a hoop they're trying to throw a ball through they're just trying
to score yeah it was uh i got respect from a whole different generation of police officers now the younger police officers today like now i would ride through the hood and i would get stopped and get harassed now they'll stop me when i autograph because you know you asked me how this shift took place i could only uh i would only say i guess i survived the storm you know what i mean and they able to see that i was able to like inspire generations to come i really feel that high powers recognize uh thinkers people that know how to think you know like those that came before me you know martin luther king all the people they destroyed because they saw a movement taking place that they didn't like i know i had a movement taking place and it's evidence that i had that movement taking place today you know because the south are who they are because of the foundation i laid and you know i had artists i mean ceos like cash money like master p tony draper you know swisher house jay-z all of them watching my movement at ground zero which inspired them to you know to come to fruition with their movements so i think these guys saw that being bred in them they they know when they hop the people in power know when they see the truth at work and a lot of times they assign people to to destroy that before it come to fruition and i think that was their assignment where i was concerned it is interesting though that over the test of time your true character has emerged and that people understand who you actually are and that the young cops they actually like you now it's a it's a total role reversal yeah yeah that was surprising to me you know where you know because i was used to uh being uh racially profiled all the time
because you know i ride clean i like nice cars you know and uh to be stopped like all the time without doing anything was uh i had to get used to that you know what i mean i had to like okay this is like uh gonna be a lifestyle like i brush my teeth every day you know what i mean this is just going to happen even though you know i took a stand and and i always voiced it on the hip-hop records that was one of my uh relief podiums where you know during the ghetto boys i would get on the intros and and put the spotlight on all the the things they was doing to us because i knew it was happening all around the world and ghettos all around the world and the people loved me for uh you know expressing the pain that we all was feeling and what they were doing to all of us where the laws were being broken and to this day you know they love me for that well i think your message is very important i think your message of of discipline and of of of character and of how you've succeeded and how you've succeeded by following those principles is it's so important for people and i think it's one of the most important things for someone who's stuck in poverty wanting to figure out a way to be a person like you to see that you've laid out these ground rules that you follow to see that you've laid out these steps that you've taken and to see that you've done it all in a book yeah and encourage people to not just read this book but read the books that inspired you right to get to the position that you're at yeah it's it's so valuable it's the best way to give back i mean you can give back in a lot of ways and they're all great but one of the best ways to give back is with honesty and with with your your just you've learned some things and people can learn those things through you yeah so valuable right
and that's my goal that's my goal to uh leave that with them i know when i'm you know when i cross over in heaven you know this book will still be here yeah the blueprint you know the blueprint of uh you know my business life and my personal life on how i was able to you know conquer you know the odds and different things that were set up against me did you do an audio book yes i love audiobooks yeah me too that's the only that's how i do it right now my favorite way because i'm in traffic i'm driving around and i can get those books in yeah and i love it it's a big deal for me man in the sauna at the gym audiobooks it just makes regular time educational you get something in yeah and i'm reading it so i'm not a speed reader beautiful just like i'm speaking i love when people read their own books i hate when someone else reads it yeah if you had some dorky actor or a book you know like respect the fall of 1988 and i'm sitting the [ __ ] out of here imagine that oh i've imagined i've read it i've seen it rather listen to it it's terrible it's terrible my fans would be disappointed oh devastated yeah yeah they would they would rather hear me struggle with the reading than no well you have a such a distinctive voice too i think it's very important to people especially when it's an autobiography read your own books the only person that should never read his own books is stephen king stephen king is a great writer but he's terrible at reading his books right but he there's a fiction you know you need an actor to read those fiction books right it's a different jam it's a different thing one one of the things that i know that you uh are very passionate about is raising up the south right that means a lot to you why is that um because in the beginning i had to like blaze a trail you know it was uh it was a struggle you know uh new yorkers was dominating our airways they was dominating all the dj spots the clubs you know they
was relentless with the hustle i give them credit you know what i mean and they was like spreading their troops everywhere you know what i mean so with me having to uh like make them believers and change that situation i'm a little more passionate about the journey than than most because i understood how we got booed and when we went to new york and you know they just didn't they felt like we was too country they wouldn't play our records you know i i go to them and you know plead with them you know do this do that and it came to a situation where i stopped asking you know what i mean i stopped asking and i had to figure out a way to uh run them out of my city yeah it's point blank you know yeah and uh that's what brought about change in houston is you know because my thing was give us a chance if the people don't like us then that's acceptable but not giving us a chance and you know playing new york music and acting like as if we not imparting uh you know our people not special you know we can't have that well the ghetto boys sound was so aggressive and so good and it put fifth ward on the map i mean people started talking about fifth ward after the ghetto boys came out and when like we can't be stopped and do it like a geo like there was there were songs that were undeniable they were undeniable yeah and it just like everybody was like i don't give a [ __ ] what you say that's that's a good goddamn record no it was like it just was undeniable yeah being undeniable at the end of the day and i i think that's also what's happened with you with these the young cops that appreciate and respect you now it's like it's undeniable it's just over time your true nature gets exposed you know you can get slandered and attacked and they go after you and try to arrest you and all these different things but you survived all that right and over time your true nature is exposed yeah yeah we wrote this song the ghetto boy song called we can't be stopped yeah and i
think we named the album we can't be stopped yeah and that's because we was going through that struggle you know i mean with all the enemies trying to stop us they was doing all kinds of things to try and stop us and you know we were in a mind frame and like-minded you know sometimes i think i made a heart skip a beat with some of the decisions i made but uh at the end of the day when they saw fruit bear for taking their stand then they became more of a believer where that was concerned every army needs a great general yeah yeah and sometimes those decisions have to be made true well it all worked out clearly you know i mean it really did when you look back on on your legacy i mean obviously you look to the future um and you continue to to move forward but as you look back you've got to be happy with what you've done particularly with the with with the rap industry oh yeah most definitely i'm i'm very proud of what a salt stand today you know one of my favorite quote quotes a lot of times and it you kind of get under the skin of my east coast and west coast homies but i tell them the east coast a piece of bread the west coast a piece of bread and down south with the meat y'all can't have a sandwich without us it's so funny to me how people just get so caught up in east coast and west coast because it really only happened in rap it never happened with rock and roll right you know it never happened with sports i mean it did a little bit with sports in some teams but with the big thing with with rap music was always east coast versus west coast until you guys came around right yeah i'm like really familiar with with that beef um i wrote about it in my book of uh how me and puffy you know had a meeting and uh they wanted me to mediate a meeting with him and shook was concerned you know with that was after tupac and all of these people you know had got killed and uh
it was something that i wanted to do but i couldn't really get you know between because you know things just didn't add up properly and i don't believe in stepping in between something when i don't have all the information um yeah that's got to be extremely difficult right you were in the middle of like a legitimate war where two of the all-time greats yeah were murdered yeah i was asked to uh be in the middle of it and and uh after tupac was murdered uh one of the things i done was i heard puffy and biggie was in la shooting a video so i was on my tour bus and i turned it all the way around i think i was close to phoenix and i turned it around just to go and have a conversation with big and puffy to alert them that they were in a place that i didn't feel that they should have been in and you know i went there and had a conversation with both of them just to kind of put them on notice that you know this ain't the place to be right now and that was before biggie was killed yeah how long before it was i think a few weeks i think a few weeks before and uh you know sometimes and i know puffy meant well and i know biggie meanwhile sometimes a lot of individuals are what i call surface deep where the streets are concerned which simply mean you don't you understand them to a certain depth you know what i mean but i understood that that wasn't definitely la that wasn't a good place to be because my ears was to the street and you know i just wanted to echo it it was on my spirit to to let them know and i did and uh unfortunately you know it didn't save him but everybody can learn from those mistakes moving forward yeah it's a devastating loss the both of them yeah i mean what they
left behind you know to this day yeah if you got a mount rushmore of hip-hop those two dudes are on there right there's no no doubt about it oh yeah two brilliant guys brilliant yeah there's a video of biggie on the street that i watched all the time when he was 17 years old step a piece of paper in his hand with his lyrics yeah wrapping his ass off 17 years old yeah it's incredible when you watch the video you're like what talent yeah what power that dude had yeah just vocal power yeah you know yeah and tupac was the same way them guys man you know two geniuses yeah you know that never really fully came to fruition uh that's the saddest thing about true genius if you look at all the people whether it's hendricks or jim morrison or tupac or biggie they all died young man yeah janice joplin we got this we still to this day can go back and look at their stuff but they all died young it's true yeah that's true it's a weird world we live in my friend oh yeah but i think that the the world gets less weird when when someone like you is made through all the hoops and ladders and and and and gotten to a point where you can kind of uh let people know what you've been through right right i think it's very powerful yeah yeah no it definitely is i'm uh what one would call a testimony yeah and you know i try to be a voice of inspiration and hope for uh for my beginning with my community you know what i mean i uh i'm a person that you know stayed in contact with where my community is concerned you know that's why i built the recreation center the boxing gym school you know because i never wanted to be one of those people that disowned where i was from and that's that's what law enforcement was trying to get me to do you know i would have conversations with them guys when
they would stop me and pull me over why don't you just leave you made it why don't you come you know what i mean in other words go away you know and they had a problem with me uplifting you know it's an interesting thing when you may they would see a guy that was on the corner selling drop drugs transition to hip hop whether it was from rapping or working through hip-hop and now that guy is driving a mercedes now he driving something totally different and that would anger a lot of the officers who wasn't getting paid that kind of money so that he become like a a big target from what he'd done in the past yeah they never let that go yeah that's uh that envy of being a police officer is getting paid a shitty salary yeah watching some dude who you know used to break the law yeah and now he's falling out of control it's a cold thing and they hate that man they gotta like recognize the limitations of your profession yeah you can't they be like you can't change you're doing the same thing there's no way you can change there's no way i'm gonna allow you to change if i can help it that's an anti-human sentiment yeah that a person can't change that's a that's one of the the worst things you could say to a person because all of us are inspired by people who do change yeah and what's even worse is locking a man up so long where you don't give him an opportunity yeah to change because it's a lot of brothers that evolve behind walls you know what i mean and it's way less years than they have to serve they actually get it and snap into okay i got it now i got the i got the message i got the lesson yeah and uh you know the way this system is built is is really unforgiving you know and you know like the brother you know our brother larry hoover right now for example uh you know he's a brother that that i know has changed inside but whether they want to give him the opportunity to you know be free and execute
you know the wisdom and the change that has taken place in him and a lot of other political prisoners you know i think the system is uh it's just it's crazy that it's so unforgiving it's not just unforgiving it's it's thoughtless there's no thought put into rehabilitating this the the amount of people that get actually rehabilitated in prison yeah is minuscule and it's usually through self-determination like they decide that they're going to rehabilitate themselves the comprehensive program of changing a person educating them as to what happened to them and how they can benefit society if they can get through this right now they could teach other people that have also fallen in the same pitfalls hey you can get through this too like you don't have to be who you are right now yeah who you are right now is who you are because of circumstance and because of life and bad luck and bad decisions but that doesn't mean that's who you are forever yeah and there's no rehabilitation the real effort to rehabilitate people is non-existent there's some people that get rehabilitated through prison yeah whether it's through the negative reinforcement of the they never want to be locked up in a cage again or through other people that they meet inside the jail or through books they read inside the jail but there's no real comprehensive effort to change people and help people and educate people the thought of being like lost and hopeless yeah then the the idea that a person can't change that's the most non-human idea ever because the best people all change when when you're young you hopefully the foolish [ __ ] that you do when you're 10 you're not going to do when you're 20. the dumb [ __ ] you do when you're 20 you're not gonna do when you're 30. you're going to learn from every step of the way you would everyone changes oh yeah the driving force behind that is racism you know what i mean it was the same with the slaves you know they didn't they never wanted to teach them they never want to see them evolve they only wanted them to be a slave and you know to me
that's the mechanism of the system right now where you know the inmates a lot of them are concerned of course you know there are some that you know may deserve different things but this thing where drugs is concerned this whole non-violent situation that they got going on as as racist as a good it's disgusting yeah imagine a a university where no one graduated any smarter wow it wouldn't exist they wouldn't allow it to happen it wouldn't exist yeah so there's got to be a thought in your head that a prison system when almost no one graduates leaves rehabilitated that's that's that's a that's a hell of an analogy you just gave you know what i mean a university where no one evolved or got smarter it's you would say okay whoever set this [ __ ] up you [ __ ] up this is terrible this is poorly designed terribly executed and you would look at the motivations like who's you guys making money off of this and no one is getting are you really protecting society by making people better criminals locking them up for 10 years then releasing them again are you really i don't think you are i think you failed yeah the whole system is a failure yeah yeah true statement yeah and and where the colleges are concerned they never would allow that because that's their loved ones yes you that's the difference right yeah that is the difference right yeah and it's weird those because like criminal justice reform just gets sort of like cursory mentioned by politicians it's a cold game they got going on man and that's that's what uh you know one of the reasons uh i call myself a republic crap you know what i mean it's hard for me to uh just jump on a bandwagon when i see these different mixed signals going on where you know my people are concerned you know and i'd be looking for one that will stand up and not twist when he walk you
know what i mean stand up and be a real man and uh you know authentic with the movement and it's hard to to see them people in this game that i watch you know it's just it's hard it's always you know some some some uh some things going on that's under the radar there's so many influences by the time these people get into any position of power they're so compromised that they gotta kind of follow the steps that are laid out for them no one really ever says hey look at this let's look at this and let's lay it out because this is a terrible terrible place this is a terrible scenario we have a criminal justice it's terrible let's look at how many people that are wrongfully convicted that's how many how many people that are executed were innocent let's look at how many people that have been railroaded by corrupt prosecuting attorneys look at how many people who've been just stuck in jail for no fault of their own it's crazy no it's a lot of them crazy that a guy like you who gets through but it's beautiful that now you're celebrated you know but it's crazy but it makes sense i mean in in their little game of trying to arrest people like this dude still going to the hood even though now he's wealthy and successful why is he still doing that he's setting up these community centers and boxing gyms the [ __ ] out of here he's trying to make some money he's doing something he's laundering money yeah and they have this cynical perspective instead of having the perspective like that guy we should have him talk to other kids we should let everybody know like this is possible right everybody who is down on their luck who's not doing well is in a bad situation you can look to the people that escaped and then profited and thrived and then became incredibly successful and that that should be your motivation that should be your blueprint you know no it is and their blueprint a lot of the times is just like you say let's figure out how to destroy him yes let's let go every three letter word
you know r s d v d a f b i p h c them let's i let them loose on them to see if they can put something together yeah to destroy it you know actually when you become real profitable yeah especially when you're rolling around in beautiful cars living in a beautiful house and why the owl you have this beautiful owl chain wow this is this is drake uh yeah oh okay yeah this is drake you know my son discovered drake so really yeah my son jazz prince wow we brought drake to the united states and uh that's how he got started well that makes sense yeah why is drake in owls well i think owls is a powerful symbol you know what i mean it's a lot of strength where owls are concerned you know i like eagles i like eagles too you know but you know these are those are pretty badass and they [ __ ] people up at night you know they [ __ ] up birds at night one of my favorite videos of these hawks sitting in a nest at night and some owl swoops in out of the darkness and snatches one of them yeah yeah they cold blooded at night and we have this idea about them but they're like these wise creatures that are like you know yeah thoughtfully looking over the land no they're out there [ __ ] up rabbits and killing everything they can owls are vicious man they are vicious predators yeah and drake you know this is his this is his brand you know maybe i can get him to explain to you what's really behind bring him up bring him in i'd love to love to talk to him listen brother i appreciate you very much man and i want everybody to know that uh the art and science of respect it's out right now you can get it you get it in book form you can get it in audio form loyalty your wine this cabernet is fantastic yes it's delicious and i can't wait to try your champagne and your merlot and uh thanks for coming in here man hey appreciate thank you
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