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[Music] Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day well that brings up the this the thing that's going on this week with Conor mcgreger um we got caught off guard last episode Jamie uh and I were talking just out of nowhere it was just breaking news and Jamie brought it up that Connor announced his retirement and I said I thought he was trolling you and I had the exact same reaction I thought I like he's trolling he's F like no look at this it's all weird he would he'd be more you know eloquent than that he'd be more he would have put it out better than that but and then the news started coming out and I also started thinking well maybe maybe something happened in training or maybe it it's was because of that guy that died recently and uh people were saying you know they were shocked that I didn't know the full details in the guy's death honestly with things like this like you know it's going to happen and um it's unavoidable it's there's a certain amount of risk involved in any extreme sport plus that's the exception yeah like yeah going to happen that's the exception that's like being mad at peanut butter when someone dies it's like I'm still going to eat peanut you know it is exception but I was waiting for all the details to come out I don't think they've done an autopsy yet they don't think they know exactly to I I I and I don't I didn't think that with Connor and I don't know if this is I don't think it's sharing too much information when Conor and I had lunch together I just talking and he kept bringing up it a reoccurring theme when we were talking he goes the the media man like for this it's such a beast he's like like I've done interviews before but you know it's different like he's not a Guy where when any other fighter sit down do an interview they're really not selling the fight they're talking about their camp and they're doing the same thing over and over Conor's a [ __ ] master that we've never seen do it before so he's coming up with original content non-stop he's on you know like when when he came on our podcast he you could he was on he did the whole car wash he was exhausted and then we came down you could tell him he was thinking and just started spitting out gold he's just a beast man so to
have that guy fly around the world and do all this [ __ ] I mean at the end of the day we got to remember this is a sport this is not the WWE so to keep putting on the spectacle like it's similar to WWE at some point you got say man what these guys do is it's a real real we're in the hurt business he has to focus man and I just feel like I I think Connor's to blame too Dana is to blame I think both of them just need to talk because if Conor before is bad playing him bad playing on Dana if you just went dude listen I've sold this fight more than anyone man this is nuts I have to if I lose this next fight I'm screwed the problem is it sets a precedent now if I'm looking at it from as a businessman if I was if I was a businessman Let's Pretend okay uh I would say this sets a precedent you can't let someone decide what press they do and what press they don't do like you have an obligation to fulfill certain responsibilities like with the media for sure like like create hype but the question is but the question is like when do those responsibilities move into like a purely digital realm and when to those responsibilities only in showing up places physically old school retro going places because like there's nothing wrong with the occasional press conference right no but but also you could accomplish way more with a few [ __ ] viral videos than you ever could going to some weird interview with two people that aren't MMA fans and I think he made a really good point about that doing this [ __ ] these morning shows that they make them go do where you know nobody knows who the guy is or the girl they don't give a yeah they don't they don't want to talk to him the way you want to talk to him or I want to talk to him you know when I'm talking to Conor like before a fight I'm I'm trying to find out what's going on in the head of a guy who's going to engage one of the most exciting things that I'm going to see all year no you're not going on Morning Show going how about that cauliflower huh how'd you get that shut the [ __ ] up but also girls like that oh I know but Conor's a guy where he's crossed over into pop culture he's such a big star now a tweet from him will hype the fight if I guarantee if Conor Dan had conversation and Dan was like all right man I understand it's
a big fight cuz you got remember if you were to lose this one now you're losing your Golden Boy the biggest star by far by far I also feel if he could just focus let's just let him focus a little bit well I also feel like the magnitude of this the Dilemma that's in front of him in Nate Diaz is also very apparent this is not a guy you can half ass and even if you are 100% ready you've never even fought him at 100% no you fought him when he had 11 days notice what he' been drinking in Mexico I mean he post a terrible match up man and then you want to fly him on a plane did anyone think man all right if you're looking at the we're three months away though okay but still Conor's exhausted man from doing all this stuff and also you know I see some Fighters go it's Our obligation to do these press conferences slow your roll homie you're not Conor McGregor press conference that's it's a big difference and and and a lost to him you're talking millions and and the UF see if I'm looking as a businessman I go all right all right man he's going to do a press conference but we're going to come to him did anyone think to do that well first of all Conor is one of the most charismatic guys seriously of all time in all sports no doubt about it I mean he is a [ __ ] marketing machine like the just the quotes and his style his tweet I don't mean to interrupt you but his tweet is the biggest tweet by an athlete this year beat Kobe Bryant's retirement tweet and you want him to go to a [ __ ] interview for ESPN well they don't know the sport oh I was I watch ESPN every morning they were talking about LeBron James the playoff game tonight they interrupted this [ __ ] with breaking news talk about Connor is not retiring that's how big he is now the pr team at UFC could not get this they could not get this sort of attention even if they want to Connor can it's a different age man those old interview the old press conference you have a legit [ __ ] Superstar man who makes more money than anyone the highest Gates totally forgot what I was going to say I had a serious Point sorry brother that's okay [ __ ] sometimes I just go no well you you you have you have all good points all all valid points and I get there's contracts I get stuff like that but there has to be where you can't have a pissing contest you can't say well
we're going to run like a business this time and then not this time because it's good for the company with Conor McGregor and this big of a fight if he wins this dude you know how much more money you're going to make not the [ __ ] press conference well he you're absolutely right that he's one of the most charismatic guys of all time but Nate Diaz right now is goddamn gigantic and I think we're going to real he's not as big as con but he's godamn gigantic he's huge and see what happens do F that's part of that fight part of that fight is that Connor is also fighting another Mercurial Superstar character I agree especially now after the first fight I agree Joe but let's say Connor doesn't fight at usfc 200 and uh let's say Nate fights Woodley or Robbie Lawler let me know how his ratings go let me know if you not going to fight at 170 I don't think well all right let's say all right at 155 let's say he fights dos Angel let me know how those ratings go here's where oh it won't be as close know be a quarter of it I wonder it'd be close maybe half May well half sense though maybe half half makes sense but half would still be pretty spectacular you know what not even half I'm I'm I'm being generous he's the biggest there's no doubt about it he's the biggest yeah well who knows it's all speculation but here's what's interesting they offered the fight apparently to nurmagamedov but he can't take it cuz it's only 4 days after Ramadan on [ __ ] yeah so he's very religious so he does that whole fasting I had a buddy of mine my friend Khan kele from back in Boston he used to do that [ __ ] um he fight he would do that um he would fast when he was training it was crazy you just you you have certain rules where you're not allowed to eat any what How's It Go you're not allowed to eat anything or drink anything Sun up sun down right up down have buddies who do it yeah and you can't there's no food or water Sun up sun down and like p.m. they have this Feast yeah but it it can weaken you and so khabib said it would have a real it' be a real problem if you had to fight four or five rounds and I get it and I would love to see that fight khabib nerov vers Nate Diaz neov he's such a beast right he's phenomenal yeah to us who are balls deep in the UFC
world yes no you're right ESPN ain't covering that fight dude you should start a promotion look at you you're a goddamn promoter you know how to do this I'm not I've been through it and when I see a guy like Conor who comes in once in a lifetime if you think there's going to be another Conor MC Gregor you're batshit crazy I I think when we invest in ah it's the UFC they keep going I think you're crazy I think Conor's a special dude and I think there's a few other I think Brock Lesnar was I think Ronda there's there's very few players is it possible that this is a calculated gamble based on not thinking he has enough time to prepare for Nate no I don't think so impossible imposs this is just this is just a matter of digging your heels into the ground and saying there's no there's no way I can do this much PR I think he's just like dude I'm exhaust you want on this world tour is can I please get ready for this it's not the WWE man go go ask go ask uh a major Superstar LeBron and I know you think it's not the same but LeBron any of these guys these superstars in sports Ronaldo go on these world tours not get paid sell the fight when they're like wait but my social media will cover way more than this go [ __ ] yourself but we have no one fighting like he he can't say anything you say anything look he got pulled from the card so more is not better there's a certain amount there a certain amount you do well at a certain amount you're doing it for the UFC you're not doing it for the Conor McGregor brand you're not doing for the fighters brand you think by him going to ESPN he's going get what more followers well do you think that there's like there's certain consideration that like it looks good to have f fighters show up on like ESPN he's been there he's on he's on breaking news he's he's he's he's been doing it maybe the week before do it but when he wants to prepare for a camp and you have a guy of his magnitude coming off a boss and he's like man I really think doing all this press and all this stuff is [ __ ] with my capabilities to be a fighter I need to get back to that will you please let me Focus I very hype the fight it totally makes sense I get well you can't have exceptions no no [ __ ] you can cuz you do make exceptions you have
certain people in the UFC roster where they can't you know what I'm saying where they pick and choose when they fight or who they fight there are exceptions right and here's another thing to take into consideration one of the most important things that anybody any athlete does while they're in training is get proper rest it's one of the most important things and what [ __ ] up when you go traveling all the time your rest it's the number one thing that wrecks you you know I mean think how much you travel dude I just I just flew in from Seattle this morning I got up at 5: this morning flew here got right off the plane and drove right in here yeah that's that's what happens man your your body gets uh your immune system gets jacked from that it's not good I I just think that and I think this is great for the sport it's a good discussion and a half cuz now future Superstars will say all right I'm only doing this many interviews this this much before the fight all this a maybe there's a debate maybe the debate could be held as to like what is the what's the amount that you need to do what's the amount that you should do you know like what how do you have it set up and what would be the what would be the best way for the performance of The Athlete the the consideration of their their their time and focus to put 100% effort into something not leave anything on the table because they really weren't rested enough because they were or distracted too much cuz they were doing too much press but who's it who's at help in the end the UFC Dana White like well it helps pay-per-view if they have pay-per-view buys and they get a percentage of the buys itre payview helps everyone right but if the fighter I mean the there should be a d there's a direct if a fighter has a percentage of pay-per-view which a guy like Connor does yes the more pay-per-view deals well maybe he does it a title fight we don't know what his deal is so I'm talking he pay buys for sure I would assum no matter what I would assume yes um but so the more press he does the more things get sold the more money he makes but in his point of view like tweets and things that he's doing right now are getting more attention to it than any of these stupid interviews you couldn't pay for this kind of publicity
and you can't argue with that that's absolutely true but the question is like where where you know there should be like a contract and the contract should state from X to Y you know pick a date and time I would be left alone if usada wants to get me I'll be up in Iceland freezing my dick off throwing Sidekicks come get me I see I think this whole thing is a Mis miscommunication I see Dana's side and I see Connor's side right as a fighter I definitely see Conor's side I think it's just a miscommunication I think if before all this came out if Conor was like listen man I can't be doing all this [ __ ] I guarantee if Dana was sitting right there it would be no miscommunication I don't think I don't think he would agree that it was a misc communication I think he would say that Conor just doesn't want to do the press and I think he would say you got to do the press and to me that's a miscommunication but I think it's a miscommunication it's a disagreement no I disagree because I disagree and this is why Joe because I think after after even though he fought Aldo he expressed dude I need to chill out on these interviews he he beats uh Nate Diaz or he loses Nate Diaz again he's like dude this [ __ ] press is killing me so he's been voicing it I don't know if his Camp has had the discussion with Dana but at some point maybe they haven't we don't know to speculation we would say that they would have to sit down and come up with a schedule like you got to leave me alone for 8 weeks but but what if what if Dana and Conor had a conversation right now manto man and Conor goes listen what I'll do I'll film videos every day I'll do this uh after my practices I'll put all this social media out for you guys create this fight no one has the pull that I do and I can create this many views for you millions and millions no other fighter can don't pay me for it just don't make me travel you don't think Dana and UFC would agree to any of this MH I I bet I bet they'd be open to it you know it's interesting Kevin Hart he was like one of the biggest stars in the world one of the biggest U comedians ever as far as like sales and volume like not no one even close I mean he he he crushes it he sells out like what' he say like 50,000 plus Soldier Field it's nuts anyway um that's not important
what's important is he's he he's like Gigantic on social media Super Active and he does it all himself so if he does a movie like he'll do a movie and they'll say oh great and you can use your you know five 8 million social uh media followers and uh it'll boost up the movie and it's was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa that's mine that's mine no if you want that and we got to talk about that he the first guy I've heard doing that too dude they like that all the people that were in those movie meetings must have been like oh [ __ ] cuz then the rock goes huh yeah because there's a giant difference between a guy like the rock like what he can do to sell a movie with social media and the average person the average actor I mean he's he's constantly on it he has a dedicated loyal fan base CU he's really funny and self deprecating works hard he's always showing pictures of his alarm clock it says like 4:15 in the morning he's up there [ __ ] doing deadlifts he's an animal right so a guy like that that's a business on the side that's his that's his like he's got a hype business as well as a business to promote himself but he could also hype things you know he's he make money Kevin har when he does that I'm sure he's got it worked he's talking about it he's got it worked into movies now so it's like oh if you want a part of the Kevin Hart money machine that I put together well you got to give me something [ __ ] should be any different you're right you're right in that respect as as as a superstar now not every fighter can pull that card you lit legitimately have to be able to sell out Giant stadiums and be a a superstar yeah and he certainly can especially if you give him the right matchups you know if you give Conor the right matchup at 145 like I think honestly I mean I'm excited about this Nate Diaz fight because I like watching them fight I like watching Nate Diaz fight I like I love the attention he's getting but if I was if I was in Conor's Camp I mean I understand that he's obsessed and he wants to get right back at it I would say go fight Frankie Edgar go fight Max Holloway have a rematch of Max Holloway that [ __ ] would be epic I agree If Aldo whoever Aldo does you know they mix it all up fight a rematch with Aldo Aldo's been talking mad [ __ ] about him you know
I think Aldo genuin genuinely believes that he [ __ ] up and if he gets a hold of this dude this time he can punish him which is awesome fight and awesome story I want to see it I want to see it Conor's Camp thinks those fights are still going to be there if he loses Nate Diaz I think it takes some of the star power away a lot of the star power already got taken away it's too much of a risk it's way too much of a risk star power got taken away in that second fight not 100% not 100% he's still the biggest draw but he was uh in a assassin before that fight understand Mayweather is there was something going on like when he flatlined Aldo with one punch and then did it like it was nothing and smiled and and I was talking to him in the interview and he's just say you know no power no power just just put it put it right where it's be say anything like it yeah I mean the way he gobbled up the pressure and the way he controlled the [ __ ] talking this is the thing Joe we've we've never had a guy of his capabilities and his Mass Appeal go man I don't want to do this like everyone else is through these hoops I don't I want to [ __ ] train man this is ridiculous I'm already big enough we've never had a guy really do this he's also a guy where I think if he wanted to if he was involved with the UFC let's say Dana which would never happen cut goes go do what the [ __ ] you I'm sick of you go do what you want he could sell out a giant arena in Dublin against Dada 5000 every Saturday that's how powerful he is that's what I literally make and just make more and more money wow I don't know about that because I think part of the excitement about him was building up to that Aldo fight that was part of the man man who would be king story was that he was going to fight the longtime King and when he flatlined the longtime King he reached this level of legendary popularity that that it happens once in a hundred Generations when it comes with Fighters correct there's this there's this moment this boom how many guys reached that moment like when he flatlined Aldo with one punch and then it was in 13 seconds of the whole world was like he [ __ ] did it answer [ __ ] did it yes it's [ __ ] crazy yeah that was epic but the luster gets taken off by the Nate Diaz fight and if he loses to Nate
Diaz he's got a very good point that you know he can't lose because he wasn't given the right amount of opportunity to to present or to um to prepare himself because he had to do all this pressure like right now the Conor McGregor fan base and gu hugging his nuts which I might be one of them but he you know they're going well you know Nate Diaz is way bigger and he kind of caught him off guard well all that and there's a little Aster I guess if you're this kind of guy well now if he loses again there's no more excuses we're kind of [ __ ] there's no asri Nate had 11 days I'm not saying I'm saying you could you know what I'm saying I'm not saying there is Nate straight up beat him with 11 days preparing sipping Coronas on a boat and came and whipped his ass I thought Nate was going to beat him just by first of all the size and length and deceptive boxing skills that's what what I thought I was like this is going to be the first guy that Conor's ever fought that's been in wars with like Legends I mean he's he's been in there with a lot of [ __ ] super highlevel dudes monster he's a monster I'm like this is a big big fight and this is not a fight you want to take even if he's not ready on 11 days notice you got to get ready for this dude and his jiujitsu is off the chain man his Jiu-Jitsu is at a super high level he's bigger than Conor there couldn't be a worse match up right now spars with Andre Ward world champion and Joe Schilling on a regular basis and his brother Nick I know gibbert Melendez Jake Shields no no joke no joke dangerous [ __ ] fight man it's horrible it stresses me out it's [ __ ] dangerous F fight you but the guy who we're not talking about in all this is Nate Diaz cuz even though if Nate Diaz and you guys can say whatever you want UFC do still going to be dope I get that that's all fun and dandy for the the absolute fans if there's no Conor Nate doesn't make the same payday so he gets [ __ ] man and I want to see a guy like the the dues that Nate has paid and remember the Diaz brothers were the first guys to go now [ __ ] that man I don't think you should be done that way and you got to appreciate that man in a in a land full of [ __ ] sheep they were the first kind of wolves go no [ __ ] that man this ain't right well they're also the first guys to put a ridiculous
emphasis on extreme cardio yes and shows in their style yeah I mean like Nick doing marathons and triathlons and uh I was it's funny I I keep quoting this and Nick corrected me the other day I said that he swam back from alcatrez twice he he just correct me the other day he goes five times now it's [ __ ] nuts five times he swam from alcatra to to the [ __ ] Mainland they didn't think you could do that they didn't think it was possible that's why they put a prison there cuz they didn't think people could swim this [ __ ] is a stoner and an athlete he's not even a prisoner don't [ __ ] let don't lock that dude I'm going to swim right the [ __ ] out he if you have a bunch of guys like him in prison but how crazy are people these days doing things for recreation oh my God the only the only guy who could bring Nate Diaz money is George St Pierre George S Pierre agree think we might be getting honey [ __ ] if George St Pierre does happen to show up at UFC do hun it's like wait a second well George has openly said that he wants to go through a camp and decide whether or not he could do it at the end of it he's done it did he go through the the prep Camp that's what I heard when did you hear this you got the inside scooped off I mean I I I know he's been training a shitload and I know he doesn't care about belts or anything just wants to take the fight you know what the hold up is what Reebok that's awful oh well you're George St Pier sponsored by Under Armour and then how many fights do you have and rebok and like yeah here's whatever 50 Grand where these rebok pumps he's like what the [ __ ] no man I'm George St Pierre so he's saying either the UFC has to make up for it in his purse or Reebok has to make up for it so I think it's a money thing right now really that's what you hear you is this an inside scoop I don't know man I think we just scooped the [ __ ] out of this St I don't know that's what I hear well I had been hearing Rumblings of negotiations but uh you know it's one of those things you don't want to hope you want to just wait but also he's the only guy who can save the code well he would he would most certainly save the card oh my God you know what would be crazy would be him and
Connor I mean that's [ __ ] that's him Conor Square Garden what you would there's none of seats there no there would be full of just [ __ ] GSP versus it look like the Oscars it just be crowd full of celebrities regular folk can afford the tickets especially if you get angry GSP GSP that wanted to punish BJ Penn GSP I think it's going be tough to bring him out but yeah didn't like you talking about Rush yeah yeah man he was a [ __ ] oh GSP was one of the weirder guys because he was such a nice guy at all times but when guys [ __ ] with him there was this this switch that would go off in that head and he would go on Seek and Destroy mode and he was so good at it man when he [ __ ] up BJ [ __ ] up B you you watch those fights and you just go that is arguably the greatest welterweight of all time I agree I mean his ability to mix up the strikes and the takedowns we never knew what the [ __ ] was going on his his constant victories and the scrambles you know and the BJ fight too where he was punishing BJ he wanted to punish him and when he when he beat him down and didn't stop them and then walked over to the wall and [ __ ] punched it afterwards that's the [ __ ] that we need now does he come back or do we get that that safe GSP cuz a safe GSP versus Conor we're not I'm not trying to see that there's a there's a long time gone who knows who knows where G we're talking about GSP and BJ I mean BJ pens coming back too yeah well I'm uh I'm excited to see what that looks like BJ's fighting Dennis Siver and he's been at Jackson Winkle John's camp for quite a while now so I'm assuming they're not letting him cut any Corners oh no they're really running them through the real Paces yeah if you're at Jackson there's no cutting Corners if you do your and your ass Molly whopped in you wouldn't be there that long right you get back on a plane and go home and why would he I mean he's been living out there for quite a while now from Hawaii aler gez he better be pretty legit GSP negotiating you UFC return but rebok deal consider his roock yeah there's the story yeah man I don't know just this whole thing bums me out it's complicated yeah we'll see we'll see what happens but man that would be the 200 to end it if well I think you save him for m
sweare guard and [ __ ] you think that would be Nate versus GSP if Connor doesn't do the card so Connor is not on the card anymore he's off well today he said I'm down to fight he even goes I will fly to New York and do a press conference but then I got to go back so he's given a little wiggle room I think it's time to drop the egos come to agreement and save 200 and let Conor fight Nate wait a minute is Brenan sha the reasonable one how is this possible SC dude how is this [ __ ] ketogenic the keto kid he's super positive I like everyone and I hope they work that out for UFC 200 it would be even better story if they worked that out I bet you they do guarantee they do I would almost guarantee they do or they do a GSP Nate DS fight then we got honey [ __ ] and then something smells fishy something smells fishy for sure if gsp's like what hey I've been training what if they come with the cash they come with that [ __ ] rebok makeup money I bet you I bet you the rebok here's a set of rebok pumps in 6 million um sh go push it in push it in we're all in for GSP 2000 I think uh I bet they figure it out yeah I bet I bet y Conor ends up fighting UFC 200 that's what that's what I believe and that's I think Dana and the UFC brass is gonna figure it out I think GSP Nate Diaz takes its place and they use it as a negotiating tool because the pay-per-view numbers are bigger than any of the Connor fights because the UFC has in fact grown through their strategy see I don't think the numbers beat Connors what if they do well then you got and and then Conor's GSP Diaz that you're like o Conor [ __ ] up yeah Conor [ __ ] up I don't think it beats his numbers up [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]