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The Joe Rogan Experience but I remember when I think in my mind is undeniably the goat as again a just above casual fan Jon Jones Jon Jones is the goat now it's undeniable there was all this debate until he submitted Cyril gone and became the heavyweight champion no one can [ __ ] with that smashed him bro and Cyril looked kind of unbeatable up until the Francis fight well the Francis fight exposed one aspect of his game that you're never going to beat John in and that's the wrestling yeah and then everybody said well he didn't know that France was going to wrestle him given Francis is not the caliber wrestler or even in the realm of Jon Jones Jon Jones been wrestling since he was 12 years old he took down Daniel Cormier who's an Olympic level wrestler there is not a guy in the world that can say that you could start wrestling at 29 years old I mean I mean you'd have to be the freakiest of freak athletes to be able to compete with that guy to start wrestling when Cyril gone started wrestling the the the the Gap is just too wide across so I think what I what I what I was thinking is and when I bring up Jon Jones is I remember at the first Jon Jones fight I watched was when he got uh dq'd against Matt Hamill okay from the 12 to six out of us yeah right that was my first experience with him the next thing I feel like I remember and I may have seen some of his fights in between then but is when he like beat up this guy that was like trying to rob this lady like the night of that was the day he fought for the title right the day he fought for the title he chased down a guy who robbed someone and tackled him and held him until the cops came right and then and then we fought Shogun and became the youngest ever UFC champion yep so here's what I'm getting at as I remember and I and this is going to be in just kind of I'm interested in your take on this because I watched it happen with Jon Jones and I feel like I watched it happen with kamaru as well where it was like John and kamaru as they came up right it's like John does this thing where he stops this robber and he wins the belt he beats Shogun who is this kind of like you know him and lyodo were these kind of like unfigure-outable guys to me as a fan at
that time right like guys like how do you beat Leona machito you can't for because you can't even touch the guy right at that time and they were like inherently these like good guys that everybody was rooting for and then both of them became these like epically long-range Champions that then became sort of like villains Camaro was never a villain I feel like he is really to me as a fan again who doesn't know anything and maybe it's the the it comes back to maybe the celebrity like ego thing like to the camera as a fan again I've never met the guy he's probably great but just as a cash watcher I went from going I'm rooting for this guy to then it be like the way he talks about himself and I feel like Jon Jones was the same way to me is they became this like really like and then John got in all this kind of like turmoily stuff like well I don't think you can compare the two and here's two reasons why one have you ever seen Camaro talk like you ever seen Camaro on my podcast he's one of the nicest yeah most down-to-earth friendly Smiley fun guys there's what you're seeing is kamaru the the Destroyer the dog the dog is ready to go 100 that's the difference and that's what I was trying to ask is like signaling to all the other people I'm going to smash you right and that's what he's signaling and that's what I think I was asking is like is that all just perceived by me or is that yeah you know what I mean it's part of the fun of being a fan sure you know deciding what you like and what you don't like and personalities that you root for and personality you root against and sometimes you root against a guy and he wins you over because he's so goddamn good you're like I wanted that [ __ ] to lose but he's the [ __ ] greatest yeah John is very different than Camaro John is what I would describe is there's human beings that have different temperament and different minds and different mentality and a ruthless competitive drive that's almost terrifying to the ordinary person that's Jon Jones Jon Jones is a bad guy who's trying to be a good guy but that got that guy if we were living a thousand years ago he would be on a horse with the biggest battle ax waiting
in the back jacking heads off and everybody would be running and those people have always existed these dominators have always existed yeah but John is like a genuinely sensitive intelligent guy right who's trying to do the right thing but he's a [ __ ] conqueror he's a [ __ ] conqueror that's that's that's the thing that's inside of him that leads him to be the goat and without that you don't get there you don't if you're you're you don't get that you don't get a Mike Tyson without that you don't get a Muhammad Ali without that you don't get a Marvin hagglet without that you don't get a you don't get that that there's a thing inside some people that is a driving force that allows them to overcome the greatest around them it's a Michael Jordan it's a 100 there's a there's a thing man Tom Brady and those [ __ ] are hated they're always hated for sure because you have to hate them because you can't beat them it's the 260-inch deer dude yeah like because my me and my buddies were talking it's like there's not like they're like man that's not the Deer of a lifetime that's the deer of 10 life yes most people never see that right but it's even more than that because you can just accidentally stumble across the deer of a lifetime you can't accidentally beat Jon Jones there's a there's a thing about it so he's goed over khabib he's good over everybody now khabib's too yeah khabib is in the conversation but Mighty Mouse is in that conversation and two Mighty Mouse to me if you want to look at like a technical expression of the greatness of martial arts he's as good as anybody's ever done it when Mighty Mouse was the Flyway champion and the only problem is up besides sahudo and a couple other guys like benavidez and he was not dealing with guys that are of the caliber of the guys that Jon Jones was facing Jon Jones was facing gossipson Glover to Shara he was facing Daniel Cormier he was facing the elite of the elite and he never [ __ ] lost even when he was doing coke and he wasn't even training right that's how goddamn good Jon Jones is right and when you know when Jon Jones talks about fights though you know when I had him on the podcast one of the things that he talked about some people don't really watch tape or they only watch a little
bit they let their coaches do the work Jon Jones studies everyone he studies their Tendencies he's get it he gets in his mind how when you throw that left kick you did you make this little step with your right foot you might do this thing when you uh shoot for a takedown where you keep your leg on you keep your head on one side every time you might do this thing when someone throws a right hand you always lean to the left you might do it and Jon Jones picked up that Tennessee and that's how he knocked out Daniel Cormier he knew Daniel Cormier has a tendency to duck towards his right side because he goes for that single on the left leg and John caught him with the perfect head kick but it wasn't by the an accident he [ __ ] he set that up he set it up just like Leon Edwards set up that head kick on Camaro there's a there's a beauty of that that's just manned in the middle of chaos and anxiety and fear and and the the [ __ ] fog of War you figure out a way to connect with this thing that you saw in taping and training and in preparation so it's with John it's not an accident that he's a goat even with his lack of training even with his even with the the K it's just like he's so [ __ ] talented that he almost needs another Jon Jones to make him compete the way he would the way make him train the way a lot of these other guys do like he's so good he can beat those guys without being challenged by someone like him right because Jon Jones has never faced uh Jon Jones