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the jurgen experience but my point is that you know that's how the ccp operates they will ruin your industry your business for the slightest the slightest offense this happened two weeks ago with h m and nike and it's because the business is tied to china because china does do business with the nba huge business huge business huge business and you think that this is is it because china enjoys having the nba as an entertainment entity or is it chinese people love the nba that's what it is nba is huge in china it's it's also if you think about it from the nba perspective that's their growth that's their future right you know that's their biggest growing market for everything from jerseys to games to you name it uh and with a lot of sports that's the case too and with hollywood and with the stock market and with silicon valley tech companies and with american universities all the sectors of american society see the chinese economic market as a huge lore as well they should and they do edit films to appease the standards of the chinese party self-censorship is part of is the cost of doing business right but there's certain things they do like in dr strange the tibetan master was replaced by uh anglo-saxon woman this is my tibetan face mask and now you will never be this episode will never be aired inside mainland china did i just just now well i think it's probably already not going to be aired because all the [ __ ] you said yeah that too but now this is really this will really seal it okay um and good you know what i mean that's not to say we shouldn't engage the chinese people we need exchanges we need to have business there and this is another sort of conundrum of the us china relationship that i try to take a stab at my book in my book which is that you
know we have to engage with the chinese people we have to have we can't decouple our economies we can't live in two different worlds forever it's not going to work right but we have to find a way to live with china and we have to convince the chinese government to find a way to live with us in a way that doesn't compromise our security and our prosperity and our public health in other words you know while we want we would love it's not about regime change it's not about a cold war these are sort of like bumper stickers that people throw out to dissuade people from having an honest conversation about how to deal with a chinese communist party that is becoming increasingly problematic in ways that affect our lives and what i'm trying to say is that you know we have to be clear-eyed that you know this is not about china or the chinese people this is about the party this is the way the party operates do you think that that uh so there's that company that was airing the chinese the nba games they're making a lot of money off of that they didn't want to stop airing the nba games they had to do that because the party said so when nike what was it what did h m do they put up a statement questioning whether or not the content they were getting from xinjiang was made with forced slave labor just like hey we're going to look into it for that one statement their entire business in china was crushed okay nike same thing for years they resisted these companies again they're in a tough position i get it uh hey uh the cotton that you're sending us is that was that picked by forced labor slaves like are we allowed to ask is it okay just for that nike's business was uh destroyed inside china propaganda campaign also was it destroyed they they literally create a well they do boycotts and again it's not like here where like you can boycott something but you have to convince people there it's like if the government says there's a boycott there's a boycott right and then your your your company can't sell anything in china and that's
40 of your business you're [ __ ] it's a pretty big incentive right and none of these companies are powerful enough to stand up to the ccp on their own which is why i think they have to work with the us government in some sort of way but that's not really going on because politicians just want to dunk on the companies or they want to like criticize them for not doing the right thing but there's no positive incentives to say to the nba hey listen why don't we you know get together on this thing and we'll use our diplomatic pressure and our diplomatic tools to make sure that american companies and industries don't get punished by the party for [ __ ] like like a tweet but we're not sophisticated enough in our discussion of china or in our government response to china to actually make that happen but i think that's basically where we have to go and which brings up one another inescapable question which is if nike's using uh slave labor for their shoes why are sneakers so expensive what's the overhead it's a very good question how are sneakers 150 but anyway that's neither here nor there what would they cost if you paid people well exactly yeah and what's happening is it just greed massive profit margins yeah so anyway this is a long way of saying that the parties uh uh if to understand china you have to understand that the party's in control of everything and that uh dealing with that is just the way things are now and that doesn't mean that we have to have a cold war or that we have to decouple from china it just means we have to figure out a new way to first try to convince them not to do the worst things and then second to protect ourselves if they insist catch new episodes of the joe rogan experience for free only on spotify watch back catalog jre videos on spotify including clips easily seamlessly switch between video and audio experience on spotify you can listen to the jre in
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