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The jogan Experience from an intelligence perspective how did that October 7th thing not get detected I mean doesn't the IDF don't they have agents embedded in Hamas don't they don't they have like the most intense security system ever and surveillance system ever they do yeah and it was a massive intelligence failure and in part it was a very um it it was a very I don't want to say sophisticated sophisticated is the wrong word but in terms of the planning of this uh if you're conducting an operation or you're conducting any intelligence really uh concerned then the first thing you need to know you need to worry about is need to know right so how do you limit information how do you limit how do you limit the dissemination of of information about what you're doing um and that's just good opsc that's good operational security Now that's what they did they displayed extremely sophisticated I suppose operational security over this because you're right there's human sources that the IDF and and shinb and others in Israel have within Gaza there's the communications intercepts signals intelligence um you know there's just general surveillance that they're doing uh of the region in terms of movement of goods but most of that movement of goods happens under ground right 300 maybe 300 miles of tunnels in Gaza that they've built using money by the way using money that was probably meant for Clean Water Works and other infrastructure and improving schools and hospitals um that's a whole different angle to talk about but yeah I think the security side of things um by doing that by limiting who knows about the operation and by because again there you could legitimately argue the political leadership of Hamas they had a sense you know I'm sure at some point they approved a large scale operation but the people who who really knew about this were the uh Islamic revolutionary guard Corps the irgc which is is organization with the Iranian regime and they're kind of the liaison partners for Hamas and Hezbollah um they manage a lot of the training issues they funnel a lot of the money that goes to these organizations that are Iranian proxies
and so you can count on the fact that a limited number within the irgc were aware of the planning and the training because they did train Hamas operatives in Iran prior to 7 October so I think yeah they it was simply a matter of them saying all right this element this cell will have knowledge of this during the course of training this these guys over here will know this these people will know this um and and maybe a handful of people will understand the full picture and will understand when we're going to do this and it's all designed to keep it away from um from Israeli intelligence and it was ridiculously successful in that regard so you know and and and also you could argue intelligence is a human operation so or an Endeavor so you're going to have failures on occasion you just don't want them to be this massive um there were occasional comments about the inclination of Hamas to do something bigger no details no specific details um and Hamas also spent a great deal of time leading up to this Con I mean years convincing um the Israeli government through their words through their actions or lack of actions that it was a new day and that what they're looking to do is create a different dynamic or relationship with the Israeli government and so the Israeli government became complacent and when they became complacent to some degree over Hamas and the fact that there hadn't been any strikes there hadn't been any terrorist actions for a period of time then what you saw was then they kind of turned Inward and people talk about the political divisions within Israel and the fact that the government was in a bit of disarray and there was it was a little dysfunctional a lot of arguments going on that in part was because uh you know they had the not the luxury but the ability to kind of turn in on themselves because they didn't feel necessarily that that ex that threat outside was as bad as it had been right and that they thought perhaps it's diminishing perhaps you know Hamas is changing its tune and that was a deliberate attempt by Hamas to lull them into that state right and so there were there were a lot of things going on at the same time but yeah there's no way around it it's a massive intelligence
failure the most cynical and conspiratorial take on it is that they let it happen because this is the best way to destroy Hamas that they knew it was going to happen so they allowed it to take place yeah that's that's pretty cynical um yeah I mean if if you can get your head around that idea that they said yeah we're going to let Hamas or someh encourage Hamas to come in and Slaughter all these women babies children men um I suppose that's you know if someone can get there then God bless them that's that's their right but uh I'm not buying it um you know I've seen I've seen intelligence failures before I know it can happen no matter how many cameras you've got up no matter how good your signals intelligence intercepts are they dumb that down right I'm not calling anybody on the phone because I know you're going to pick that up right I'm not going to talk about this anywhere I'm going to hand a note to my cousin you know who runs a you know a part of a battalion in in Hamas you know they got whatever two dozen battalions so but I'm going to keep that communication as stupid as I can that's what Al-Qaeda did right and then and they dumbed it down and it becomes much more difficult they limit the number of sources who know about it that limits your target pool of of assets who can tell you something um from a human perspective and you know but again people are going to I I've seen some pretty wacky conspiracy theories come out of this since 7 October right and you know I'm I I'm not buying that one yeah the the most conspiratorial was that uh Netanyahu was kind of on the way out with the people and that this is uh the way for him to sort of galvanize everybody and get support and maintain power and and then do what he actually wanted to do go in there and attack Kamas yeah yeah well it's it's it's one Theory um but uh when ever have something this chaotic you're always going to have a bunch of wacky theories yeah yeah and and you know I get that um cuz you have a lot of people who you know still refuse to believe that you know Hamas doesn't give a about Palestinians and again I keep going back to the same thing which is well take a look at Gaza you know and you tell me what Hamas has done for the people of
Gaza because again Palestinian people aren't lined up 100% behind them you know in fact there's you know there's been reports of Looting of Hamas uh facilities since they've been losing their grip on on power um the Hamas leadership structure is enormously wealthy right they they've stolen billions of dollars um that was theoretically intended for Palestinian improvements can you explain that like how did they get a hold of the money and how is the money allocated like say where's the money coming from when they get money for the improvements of Sanitation and education and schools and all that it comes from it it comes from a variety of sources look I think the the EU the European Union is I think the largest donor still to the Palestinian uh people and it comes through various um uh organizations so uh the United Nations the refugee office uh UNR W um the US Aid USA ID um and other and some Nos and well quite a few NOS so money is donated or allocated by governments and the US is us has given billions of dollars um to through these organizations for the uh Improvement of uh Palestinian lives right for and and part of that came out of the Oslo Accord um the idea being you know band together um improve the infrastructure for the Palestinians create this because that will March towards more stability and eventually maybe that allows for a solution find you know that that will eventually come about and whether it's a two-state solution or however it's worked out so that money Flows In but since 2007 Hamas controls what goes it's like it's like when we give money to uh the Taliban now giving money to the Taliban in Afghanistan and we like to pretend like they're going to use it for good causes we like to pretend we know where it's going or how it's being handled but this money flows into these various organizations and and Hamas controls what happens right so one way or another they get their hands on that money and they decide what they want to do with it and for the most part it has been for the uh for the betterment of Hamas as an organization in part because that's what Iran expects them to do and Iran also provides them with funds um not the Palestinian people Iran directly
funds Hamas so over the years they have the leadership and particularly the the political leadership who all basically live outside the of Gaza they in Doha and in cter um you know some reports and they're confirmed by the US Treasury it's not just the Israelis saying this you know they're billionaires at this stage of life and you know one of them's got a couple of kids who are on Instagram right and they're flying on private jets and they're you know they probably went to the World Cup when it was in Doha and it's it's it's ludicrous because billions of dollars that literally Were Meant to provide clean water or better schools or whatever and people just you know continue to shake their fist and say it's all Israel's fault how is the money allocated and where does it go and how does Hamas get their hands on the money like what what is what's the expectations when they're giving this money and how I mean I don't understand if they know that it's going to Hamas why are they still sending money well in part because um that's that's the purpose of so the US funds say the US says okay this year we're giving whatever $400 million uh through these various Aid organizations now the aid organizations at some point on the ground right have to make a difference right they have to so money has to go somewhere it has to go to uh middlemen it has to go to somebody running a business who's then going to provide resources whatever that is uh grain some whatever Transportation Trucking to move things around Gaza whatever it is and Hamas um it's like they it's like a criminal gang right it's like an extortion racket almost they they take their cut um they tax uh the uh resources that are brought in right um most of those things have to move most efficient way to move goods and services through Gaza at this point because of all the work they've done in the tunnels is the tunnels so they tax Goods moving through the tunnels they make their money right and and I don't want to I'm not equating Hamas necessarily to a to a mob but it's kind of what they've been doing and so now the money that comes from Iran that's a different that's that's that's direct to Hamas that's direct to Hamas
again they take their cut right H it off but then they spend it because that they're beholden to Iran they spend it on what they're supposed to which is you know more weapons uh more gear uh paying their their Fighters uh and so yeah I just I keep coming back around to to this notion that you know the Palestinian people have been getting screwed you know left and right there's no doubt about it right and um civilian casualties are are tragic and sad but we live in a very pragmatic world you know hopefully we not I mean you you can't rule this thing by feelings and hope and you know positivity it's not it's Hamas chose a certain path and they have to be dealt with right because um if you stop and allow them to say okay well Hamas is still there they're still running things nothing nothing changes doesn't improve the lives of the Palestinians right continues to fuel and fund Terror so okay fine if you feel better about a cease fire and kicking the can down the road but you're not don't don't pretend like you're solving something you know so so when the money gets allocated it's like say if there's money that's being sent to Palestine for clean water and all who's receiving that money well it goes it it's funneled through the organization so like that money is is is think about it like a bank account it's deposited with the UN Refugee office right they decide they allocate um because they have essentially vendors right who are saying okay we're going to provide whatever penicillin or we're going to provide hospital beds what so they they're they're parsing this out to a variety of vendors both in in uh and you know there's an an attempt to try to ensure that it's uh Palestinian businesses and Hamas also runs Enterprises over seas right so or sorry outside of Gaza so they run you know businesses uh in uh turkey and a variety of other countries right um so sometimes that money is going to a Hamas control business right to then purchase what theoretically purchase whatever is necessary um we shouldn't imagine that is they're not like Al-Qaeda they're not sitting in a cave somewhere right they've been doing this for a while and
um you know it's it's a bit like uh it's a bit like the Ira Ira started out with very clear mandate right eventually an element of it was just about drugs and and guns and you know money um so you know I keep coming back around to Hamas they they realize they got a good thing going right stability is not going to keep that gravy Tain running so