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the jogan experience and I think trauma I think childhood trauma I think uh childhood trauma kind of can uh can make you depressed yeah for sure yeah for sure I think that especially abuse yeah abuse seems like the one that people have the hardest time shaking was because it's not that they weren't even it wasn't even that they were ignored is that someone prayed on them yeah and they gave they have no selfworth they're beaten you they have no selfworth and they know that uh the younger the abuse or the neglect happened the more of an imprint it it leaves because your brain is forming and it's fascinating stuff man but we have neuroplasticity and you can go to therapy and edmr is something I'm doing and it's incredible it's the only thing I've ever done that sort of works what is that edmr was invented by Francine Shapiro like in the 80s accidentally she's a psychologist and now it's become sort of the uh gold standard for trauma treatment and PTSD and like vet hospitals and stuff and what it is is it's um uh I uh Ed it's uh eye movement desensi uh desensitization and reprocessing and so so it involves moving your eyes in a very specific way while you process traumatic memories yeah I'm doing it now it's crazy oh my God you're hacking your brain you hack your brain and you get into your subconscious like your REM uh State and then you reprocess the memories and when you're there you start having Vivid memories and then when you're done memories start flying in out of nowhere whoa how did you find out about this this is wild it was sort of it was interesting I was in LA right so I um you know I have Early Childhood trauma and then I've had some traumatic things happen to me later in life and then the panic attack started after I got shot when I was in my early 20s I didn't know what they were back then like I just didn't know what they were so I'd just be having these panic attacks in the train just going like what is happening to me so I've been dealing with it for like 20 years and it would go away for periods i' have great periods and then it would come back and and um after I had kids I think I called you I did I spoke to you once and you were very helpful but after I had kids it sort of triggered um a lot of these feelings
that would come up out of nowhere and sadness I'd be looking at my kids and I'd get sad I'd be playing with them I'd get sad and I didn't understand it and then I'd be in a hotel room and on the road and I'd just start like panicking and be like what is this and so I was talking to my friend uh Tracy carazo um she's she's a comic in New York she's funny and she's one of these Italian girls who's just got a guy for everything she's just you ask her atie she's like I I know somebody so she asked she was like how are you and I just answered honestly I was like ah I did and I gave her like a paragraph and she sound she was like it sounds like you didn't feel safe as a kid she was like uh let me get you in touch with this person who I'm friends with who does edmr and then I got in touch with this therapist and she's incredible and um I started the edmr journey and it's been it's the only thing I've done and edmr has a beginning middle and end it's not like you know it it's not like ad infite just goes on forever it's like you're there to reprocess this trauma and so do you do it at a specific place I do it I do it Zoom I love to zoom you zoom yeah so you zoom with someone who guides you through it is that how it works yeah and you do it how often I'm doing it now twice a week but you can do it once a week and how long is each session hour she'll go longer sometimes though wow so what what do you do you feel like the chemicals moving around your brain while you're doing this yeah you do and that's a big part of it is identifying the um the trauma in the body and how it affects the body there's a book called um the body keeps the score but I think his name is Bessel he's a psychiatrist and he's he's responsible for all these Trauma Centers all over the country and so this this guy is doing it to this lady right now he's going back and forth with his fingers and she's following his fingers and so she's supposed to be thinking about traumatic memories so then he'll bring up he'll take her back through the fir the first uh phase is like identifying the trauma so it's a lot of talk therapy so you kind of you know talk a lot talk a lot talk a lot and then the therapist gets the idea of what you need to go back and reprocess and new things
will come up when you go back and and um and then you'll reprocess it it's not just hands you can do uh you can follow a ball you can hold the buzzers in each hand it's about stimulating both sides of your brain yeah what's happening in mental health now is so fascinating because when you parallel it with like what happened in medicine right like we used to treat the symptom right so if someone had a fever they treated the fever but they didn't know what the cause was so they put you in cold water or boiling water whatever they did and then they found out about viruses and bacteria so they started treating the cause now in mental health you're you're starting to see that Revolution because of um you know the advances in Neuroscience where they can look at the brain and they can actually see you know what parts are responsible for what where trauma uh shows up in the brain they just did another uh a recent study it was a big study about how trauma is doesn't traumatic memories don't come back as memories they come back they light up in the party brain as if it's happening now which makes sense we knew that because you know when Vietnam Vets start bugging out and they're in the supermarket or whatever but they can actually see it now in the brain that the brain is processing it as it's happening now so um you know converging neuroscience and psychology and all the things that they've known from all these different advances and it's it's it seems to be in a place now where trauma is becoming one of the things that they focus on the most like early childhood trauma or traumatic events uh in war obviously we know that that's you know a big that's the the specific cause of what is bothering those people you know is what they've experienced and so now they're targeting the trauma but they have ways to treat the trauma with edmr with brain spotting it's called um you know a whole bunch of these um tactics that's really fascinating it's really fascinating when you think of like I had this guy on the podcast yesterday uh Joe pyer he's a MMA fighter for the UFC and he had a terrible childhood terrible [ __ ] horrible beatings just constant be it's just like heartbreaking to hear the story but you gotta it's just fascinating like as a human being like
whoever you are when you're listening to this right now you are the accumulation of your processing of every experience you've ever had as much as we like to claim autonomy we think on our own and we kind of do and there's that like again there's definitely chemical problems there's definitely people that just have a genetic defect something just like some people have diseases of all sorts of other parts of their body they get diseases in the brain that's [ __ ] for real 100% but you're basically just an end product of experiences and your interpretation of those experiences and the L leg the lessons and the the way you've contextualized all those experiences and they're all in your head and that's your map of the world that's your map of the world so if you're in San Francisco yay we freed Palestine like their map of the world is [ __ ] like their experiences like what what's got them to 2024 January 18th or whatever it is is this result sucks like this result sucks like this is terrible like you guys are out of your [ __ ] mind you're wasting your time there's needles on your street you guys are out of your [ __ ] mind what did you what are you doing this this result sucks but those people are they could have been in [ __ ] Wyoming like hardworking ranchers the same human could have been like a ass salt of the earth [ __ ] Kevin Coster Yellowstone looking [ __ ] it could have been the same it's just your experiences yeah it's just what do you what shapes you what directions do you go in what when do you get pushed down when do you get lifted up who gives you a hug who pushes you away and how does this how does this play out yeah I don't think a lot of people know themselves because you got to do all this work to know yourself because your brain protects you in so many ways that you're unaware of like um your brain will [ __ ] they know in Neuroscience like your brain usually when it's healthy Works in concert and sends information to different parts of your brain to process it but when you have trauma or chemical problem or whatever it is it doesn't work well and in traumatic uh experiences your Li your your neocortex shuts off and your limic turns on and that's a there's a surv reason for that right so if you're in a moment of fight or flight you don't want
to start reasoning you don't want to go like you start philosophizing you just emotional you're dealing with your survival reptile brain and so it actually shuts off so people who have like panic and anxiety it's hard to reason your way out of it because that part of your brain is shut down