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The Joe Rogan experience. A lot of us get there, right? A lot of people that we know came from a place where when they were really young, they were like, "What the [ __ ] is going on with the world?" Y How old do you think you were when you had your first, "Oh, I think my parents might be [ __ ] crazy" thought. Were you like, "These people are in charge of telling me what to do. This is nonsense. You're make you're talking crazy talk here." It happens. It happened for me uh the first time that I took uh LSD uh and maybe before that but when I took LSD when I took LSD for the first time I can remember when whenever you take LSD uh especially you I mean at the you know when I took LSD what what worries do I have? I'm in [ __ ] high school. There's no there's nothing in it. There's nothing to there's no demons to come swimming out of my brain and taunt me with like all the myriad of things you get when you're older. There's just [ __ ] nothing. you were just open. I might I might be upset cuz like a a cheerleader that came over to my house, I I couldn't figure out how to kiss her. Maybe that's like the biggest problem I'm having at the time. So, but I you know, at that time when I did it for the first time and had that initial experience, you know, and you go back to your parents who've never taken it and if you mentioned to them that you'd even taken it, they might want to put you in a drug rehab or they think you're insane or they think you're getting down the wrong track. You're forced into this place of like, "Fuck, man. I can't I you guys don't even you don't even know you you don't even understand this this uh new way of experiencing life you know so and I think there's a lot of people who spend their whole lives never knowing that you don't have to take psychedelics to get to that place there's other ways to get to that place but yeah it's a very strange thing and those people who never get to that place they're the ones who are a lot of them are are in control right now so your life took an inexorable change when you did acid? That was like the point where you looked back and you said, "This is the point where I went off into this direction." Um, well, I know I'd say that the the that taking acid started with a series of like books. It started with contact
with like you know the whole weirdness my whole weird weirdness started with or as I recall it started with me coming upon this book that my mom had called Raja Yoga by Yogi Rama who by the way was never a yogi it was just some English mystic who wrote this book and lied about being a yogi but it's a fascinating story but the book uh you know that was the first time I'd ever read the idea that you there that you're an observer observing yourself that you you aren't necessarily the you that you think the you that can be observed is not you you're the observer state the mindfulness the watcher that's when I that's the first time I'd come upon the idea of what's that's called the otman the thing that observes yourself you know when you you know someone will say I'm really mad right now the moment you say I'm mad you're creating a distinction you know between the thing that's observing that you're mad and the thing that's mad. So that observer that watcher that's the thing that that mindfulness is what you know throughout my whole life I try to you know go into that place of observing myself rather than being the thing and it's a game that you can play and it really is quite helpful with a variety of of problems especially if you get really angry. If you get really angry and you can stop yourself and just watch and there's tools you can use in that book. I remember it said as you walk around start thinking he is walking. That was like one of the tools like it's in a book and you're a character in a book. So when you're going around you're like you know right now he's doing a podcast right now he's talking. And so that's these are these are activities designed to create this like the watch or the state of presence of watching. So that started it. That led me to like, you know, I And then I found out about, you know, I think I read the electric colloid acid test, you know, about [ __ ] uh Ken Keezy and the Merry Pranksters blasting themselves on acid and going to the World's Fair in a bus. And then I read that [ __ ] No, I remember. Wait, I'll tell you. Then I'll stop this weird weird rant. I remember now. [ __ ] film strip. That's what it started in my head. I think I was in like the fourth grade and they showed us a drug film strip. Remember film strips?
Yes, I did. And it [ __ ] popped up. This guy like it it po there's a guy I still remember. It's a guy in a it's a guy in a [ __ ] um empty apartment and he's curled against the wall in the fetal position and it's at LSD and it looks terrible. And then the narrator says LSD can make you experience hallucinations. You can see dragons. And I remember him saying, "You could see dragons." I'm like, "I want to see a [ __ ] dragon. How do you see a dragon? That sounds awesome. [ __ ] the empty apartment in the fetal position. I'll figure it out." So, that guy's a [ __ ] Like, what are you crying? You saw a dragon, you little [ __ ] You took acid. What' you expect? Yeah. And And that was that put it in my head. is like, "Well, you know, I I think that that's a interesting thing to explore." But yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. So, you think that you were like two Duncan, like Duncan one and Duncan 2? Like Duncan one is like regular Duncan growing up, innocent boy. Sure. Boom. Psychedelics and then Duncan 2 2.0. Yeah. Yeah. That there's definitely a Duncan 2 that that happened, I'd say. And then that that Duncan 2 changed too, man. cuz you you know as you get older the best thing that there's two great the best thing that can happen to you is you get knocked off track. That's the best thing that can happen to you in general cuz generally the track you're on has been set for you by people who never got off their track. You end up you know you end up the child of someone who decided to have you in their 20s, 21, 22. They're not going to know a lot of stuff. They're not going to understand the universe that much unless they were like came from a really good family of like artists or intelligent people. Chances are they're scared, hungry, desperate, angry. They they don't want to be in the relationship anymore. They don't want to be monogous anymore. The idea of non- monogamy to them might just seem insane. The you know, like who the [ __ ] knows? And but you're born into that planet. You're that's the atmosphere you're born into. That's what you're breathing when you're first born. And that can set you on a weird path and that's a very sad path that you can get on. And so hopefully if you're lucky, you'll come across
somebody who knocks you off that [ __ ] path. You know, I remember the guy who hooked me up with acid. I remember sitting in the theater of my school because I was taking I was a drama nerd and I was sitting in the theater of my school next to this guy. I like the way you said that, too. Next to this guy, Brad and uh I remember sitting and I and we were talking and he mentioned tripping on LSD and I'm like, "What?" He's like, "Oh yeah, I took acid over the weekend." I'm like, "What? What? You can get acid. The movie the life the life of D. Somebody must animate this. Somebody please. I know you're folks out there that animate [ __ ] You got to animate this. That that moment took me to and this is really weird. Tell me what the the first trip was like. Oh, I I'd love to. The first trip was uh it was white blott uh white blott paper. I don't it was just white blott you know for somehow if you don't know this uh LSD gets put on sheets which look like blott paper and sometimes they have designs sometimes they don't but the name is always a reference to usually is a reference to the design on the sheet so uh you know purple Jesus white blotter lips you know there's a million different names for the different types of acid but so this is just white who knows what it was but it was really good and I can remember I took it and you have to, you know, it takes 30 to 45 minutes, sometimes longer for it to kick in. And I still remember I was sitting in my friend's trailer in a trailer park in North Carolina sitting in an empty bathtub like one of like an empty jacuzzi tub that was in this trailer and I'm sitting there and they're watching Star Wars and I'm sitting in this bathtub and all of a sudden the greatest it's the greatest feeling just started going through my legs and up into my body and it was a [ __ ] sword fight. It was a a lightsaber fight and I'm listening to that. But all of a sudden now the sound's echoey like someone's turned an echo up on it. So it's like it's kind of bouncing around. It's beautiful and I feel so [ __ ] good. Started laughing. It seems so funny. Then I went outside and lay in the grass. I'm staring at the sky. Everything's beautiful. Trails. You put
your hand in front of your face and it's just this rainbow of hands drifting in front of your face. Everything's breathing. Then my friends come running out because they knew this is the first time I was tripping. And they all start jumping over me. They're like jumping over me as I'm laying there and they're laughing and we're all [ __ ] laughing and it's just perfect. Then I remember somebody pulled their [ __ ] out. And that's when they pulled That's when we all started [ __ ] we [ __ ] and [ __ ] And then a dog came by and we grabbed the dog and started [ __ ] the dog. No, it was beautiful. Spirit of very No. Yeah, there was no [ __ ] happening. There was a lot of like laughing. There was I remember going into my friend's shitty high school car and like sitting and like pulling the seat back and looking at the ceiling and I'm looking at the ceiling and it's [ __ ] hieroglyphics or some kind of like ancient writing, you know? I don't even think I knew what Sanskrit was at the time, but I'd probably be like, "Oh, I'm seeing Sanskrit, some kind of runes or glyphs." all over my friend's car that's just kind of breathing and warping and it's just beautiful. So, yeah, that was the that was the first time. And and once you've had that experience, how do you go back to a a world a normal kind of world? The first time I ever did acid. I've I've told you this before. I I met Kurt Cobain. How crazy was that? Whoa. Wow. Tell that story again. Uh I I think I died this night. By the way, I have this new theory that no, I that this is what made me think of a theory that like every time you die, you don't know that you died, but then you left this world and everyone else in this other parallel world, you know, they think you died like, you know, they went to the funeral. This is where I thought this from was uh the first time I did ass with me and my girlfriend at the time, that was Marissa. Uh we went to go see Hello, Melissa. We went to go see uh Nirvana and she had acid and I I've never done acid before. She goes, "Let's do acid and see Nirvana." So, we took acid and the opening band was on, which was some Asian band that just screamed the whole time and it was like h you know, it's kind of like I don't know, annoying. Uh,
so I was sitting next to the side of the stage and Kirk Oane comes around the corner and just comes out and like it was really dark so no one could see it and he's just standing right next to me. I look over, I'm like, "Oh my [ __ ] god, it's Kirk Oane." And I was like, "Hey, what's up?" And he goes, "Hey, what's up? You want a Cheeto?" And he like like held out his bag and I'm like, "Yeah." And then so I held on the Cheeto and then suddenly he just like somebody goes, "Oh, Kurt." And then he just like throws all the Cheetos out in the crowd and then it goes returns backstage. I'm holding this Cheeto and I'm like He threw the Cheetos in the crowd. Yeah. Like he had a bag of Cheetos that he was eating from. He just threw it at the crowd. Yeah. He just threw Cheetos everywhere. I mean it was this is like a mosh pit at in in Dayton, Ohio, you know, like side of the stage like a rock club, you know? Hair Arena, I think it was. There's a [ __ ] video of Dana White getting in a mosh pit. Have you ever seen it? No. Yeah. He went to a rage in the M Rage Against the Machine concert. [ __ ] got in a mosh pit. He's got security guards looking out for him and [ __ ] He jumped in the mud. So, I took this Cheeto and I put it in my pocket. Like, I'm like, I'm going to save this Cheeto, you know? Uh, and then I started, you know, tripping really hard and had it was an amazing concert. On the way home, we're driving and we go by and like I'm driving and this is a thunderstorm of rain. I'm still tripping. You're tripping on acid and I'm tripping on acid. Multiple sisters. No, no, no. And then, and then this is even better and I swear to God, you could ask her. I'm not going to say who she is on on here, but uh we started [ __ ] while I was driving in the rainstorm on acid for my first time. You [ __ ] baby. And that's where I think I died the first time. One of the first times I died. It might be, man. [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] Son, we are broadcasting to iTunes. Oh [ __ ] iTunes. We're recording to server. Get the [ __ ] out of here, server.