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The jogan Experience what do you think about usata getting replaced I'm not I don't know exactly what the new protocol is going to be but I but I have heard that they're not going to let them take bpc 157 and I'm like what the [ __ ] are you doing so they're adhering to like the Water band substance list presumably allegedly but it could be you know like a little little wink a little nod I don't know I don't know how they're going to do it and only time we'll tell I think this current administration's contract with usada is still applicable for the next few months yeah yeah I think you sat uh standard protocol is in place until January 1 is that what it is yeah yeah it's going to be interesting and you know that's why I'm going to turn to you to say like what do you think's going on here yeah I guess it depends how they document the positive test results too because it's like back in the day depending on organization sometimes they'll publish exactly what the person popped for what happened what you know uh scrutiny is happening to them in the moment um how it's being further reviewed and it was like you know very negative press even before they've actually confirmed and proved this guy cheated necessarily and then youat kind of took this different angle where they would kind of be a little bit more vague about it and then they would get some scrutiny about if they're covering up for certain people but at the same time they were like you know getting scrutiny for being hyper stringent where they'd like show up to guys places in the middle of the [ __ ] night when they're trying to sleep yeah and it's uh a very as far as the new organization their level of scrutiny and how it's going to play out and how I don't know private they're going to keep the results it's to be determined but if they're following the same Water band substance list with the same kind of protocols I imagine it's going to be similar but with uh from what I understand more scrutinous testing on some of the endogenous bioidenticals so like EPO I think nitzky said they're going to up their frequency of testing cuz you know some of this stuff at the end of the day there's only so much budget to allocate to where it's still a
viable economic thing so it's like are you going to EPO test like every [ __ ] sample of every single athlete however many times a year like some people are tested like I don't know I forget what Yuri was tested it was like some insane amount of times per year um are you going to EPO test HGH isopor test them you know Carbon isotel ratio test are going to do that on every sample he's ever produced right probably not so you got to have some reproducible economically viable strategy but um I think they tested Yuri a lot because he was in recover from shoulder surgery too yeah but then it's like why isn't guys like you know Connor getting tested out the ass because he got out of the pool yeah but even when he went back in the pool it's like well now he's testing how frequently though well I don't know they just started testing him really recently guy's face definitely still looks a bit Saucy well he was jacked and also that's when you should do it when you have something like a catastrophic leg injury I mean he's got rods in his legs he's had multiple surgeries it's not just one yeah you know I and then you know it doesn't always heal right and it breaks again like Dan hooker he has a rod in his arm he broke his forearm in a fight um I think it was the Jaylen Turner fight and so he had it fixed had a rods put in he just broke it again so now he has to have a second surgery he has to have that they're doing some new proced try to get the bones to fuse cuz the bones didn't fuse correctly and you know the rods were the only thing holding it in place and it snapped it's really weird how they justify certain compounds that can be in and out of testing because it's like you could abuse the [ __ ] out of amphetamines out of competition but then you can't use bpc like like how does that make any sense doesn't make any sense it's it's all bizarre and I think in a perfect world professional athletes would utilize everything possible to get the best possible performance again my only concern would be young people ruining their endocrine system yeah and then the possible mitig you know the pro There's real issues with overuse like overd dosing because if you tell someone hey if you take you know 100 milligrams of this thing you'll have an improved
performance okay what's going to give me a stroke yeah if I take 200 milligrams what happens do I do do I move twice as fast like what happens yeah and some of the weight cutting will get even more extreme with diuretic use and right yeah some of it you'll have like kidney failures pre- competitions right and then the question is going to be like what kind of testing protocol are they going to use is it going to be random you know is is it going to be something you can game like you know I know who was the athlete that was taking those testosterone gummies and they were in and out of your system in a short period of time Alex Rodriguez there you go he was taking a bunch of different [ __ ] but you were they were taking testosterone gummies that you know would only stay in your system for a few hours as of now and I Stay pretty on top of the literature it's still very uh you can still circumvent the tests even with highest scrutiny so you know with things like test EPO I've seen upwards of 50% of subjects in studies getting around test trying to find if they're doping like knowing that they're using guys in the study as subjects of you're getting micro doed EPO and we're going to test you for it rigorously and still passing even when they're trying to catch them via the study parameters so I think a lot of people are going to be doing the same [ __ ] they've been doing I think the scrutiny is going to be similar probably but perhaps more uh like at least nitz's framing it like there's more budget being allocated to some of the more rigorous tests but I don't know I imagine it'll be similar but I've also heard that this organization also works with the NBA and some other uh Pro Sports which are traditionally seen as pretty LAX in contrast yeah so I would imagine it's going to be a little more more LAX and i would support that yeah I I I certainly support guys taking things to recover from injuries like Connor did with his leg injury 100% no question about it I'm 100% all in on that that's the only way no one comes back from that no one has ever come back from that catastrophic leg break yeah the shin break not a single athlete has come back from it and performed at the same level Anderson Silva is the only guy who came back and fought multiple times and he
was not the same guy yeah yeah it's uh I don't know like Conor's definitely got a got a win when he [ __ ] comes back like he it's kind of like his legacy like not entirely hinged on it or anything but I mean it's he's got a lot to live up to to not just oh yeah yeah but also if you were a coach and you wanted to look at this in terms of a long-term career strategy I would want a tuneup fight yeah 100% I would not want him going right in there against Islam makev yeah he's still trying to go like balls deep and pick the hardest dudes well that's him that's why he's a champion that's why he's a warrior I mean he he feels like he could just get but one of the things that he said about the Dustin porier fight the first one uh the first the second fight but the first one of the most recent ones where he got knocked out he said I was inactive he goes it just uh it caught up to me I could feel it I could feel it while was in there my timing wasn't as good you know you need to be active to be at the the highest levels of world class mixed martial arts competition I just don't see how you can take two years off multiple surgeries get on juice get off juice and then jump in there against the best in the world maybe he can do it but if I was his coach and the option was available I'd say Let's get someone who's not even in the top 15 let's get some guy who is beatable but a good test it's a we'll call it a tuneup fight you we get to see how you perform this guy gets an opportunity to beat Conor McGregor you get an an opportunity to test your skills again and feel the lights and feel the pressure get your timing back have that fight 6 months later you have a big fight do you know when UFC 300 would be like that seems like a pretty big event that they would probably when is that supposed to be jerie ail I think April I think is that too soon for him to be fighting well there's a six-month thing in the pool right so here we are in November contingent on usada though yeah and contingent on whe right right if you saw is out maybe they don't have a six-month thing anymore right point I wonder if he's uh like obviously that's an event you would think he'd be in I would think I you would definitely want him in that event but then the thing is like here's a good
question if you give someone an exemption you let them take get out of the pool and they're taking some hardcore steroids to heal their their Shin break what how much gain do you maintain from that that Improvement in your performance cuz it's not zero no it's uh I think a lot of it is also indirect through the time in the gym and skill acquisition because a lot of people Overlook the recovery capacity enhancing component so it's like if you're able to it's not just about how much muscle you've gained and objective measurements of oh your bench press went up by x amount it's also how many more hours were you able to train relative to your competition because of this and that's that many more hours working on X skill this skill that doing your endurance whatever you're able to do more things and have more bandwidth allocated to your you know skill uh I don't know sustaining or you know development so as far as the studies go for retention of what's called myonuclei like how much you can actually Bank up from steroid use it doesn't seem to be something that's going to sustain for I don't know in perpetuity like we once thought is kind of finicky if that's actually something that happens or not like a lot of people will still shrink back down when they come off but he's competing pretty soon after being like what appeared to be pretty [ __ ] full board like the guy was essentially unrecognizable compared to traditional you know Connor yeah he looked like a light heavyweight yeah it was like to me his face looked like the first time a guy takes gear like oh wow you've gained like 15 pounds of water yeah yeah yeah everything got big so yeah like it didn't even look like it was an attempt to do it in a you know I'm trying to micro do way it's like a real cycle seemingly right so and why not if you're not being tested and you can so and it's probably fun yeah yeah yeah I yeah for sure but the question is like when it comes to Performance like physical ability strength power speed you don't go back to zero so no I think you would retain some of it what like how much of it that would be so speculative so I think speculate like let's say a guy takes one cycle of testosterone at like a
traditional amount that guys use like 500 milligrams is a pretty common like bodybuilder starting level cycle is that per week yeah 500 milligrams per week okay so that's like you know three to three and a half times what a traditional trt dose would be that would gain you you know a significant amount of lean mass and strength and you would probably sustain that for again as the hormones work its way out your system even as they're residually leaving you still have that bleed of hormone that's sustaining even during your training subjecting yourself to you know even if you had poor sleep heavy weight cutting like you still have synthetic drug that is bleeding out of your system and holding at least nonfluctuating values other than the bleedout time so the size difference yeah it's wild look at him 2022 he's [ __ ] massive the face difference is like the most staggering to me too look at his neck so weight cut I don't know how that difference dude that shot with with him on the bottom left yeah with his arm around the dude he looked oh they cut off his quads but his quads looked [ __ ] nutty in that picture yeah the one where it shows him at the bottom of those three photographs Jamie that is when he made weight for 145 though a Skeletor bro yeah he was literally starving himself that's wild he was starving himself he looks like one of those Like Pirates of the Caribbean yeah monsters yeah that's what he looked like back then so yeah think that you know within the span of competing within a year like you're going to retain um it would take depending on how fast the compound would work its way to your system depends on the estra chosen like I'm sure you're familiar with your testosterone is probably a testosterone cypionate for example so that like determines how long it will hold uh take to metabolize out of your body so that one has close to a 10day halflife so that would take 50 days essentially to clear out of your system so for for him if you cleared out something that took 50 days to get out like you would still have residual benefit for months thereafter for sure and whether it's going to be 100% or 0% you know I would speculate it be somewhere in the middle you know you're going to lose a lot of the temporary weight fairly rapidly
though like a lot of that blood volume water retention will dissipate within the first number of weeks and then after that you're kind of whatever tissue you've accumulated will slowly go over the next months which you'd probably retain I don't know I would say half by the time he maybe 25 to 50% but that's you know