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the jurogan experience didn't john jones block you i don't think he likes me what did you uh what did you do well i guess it's just i've made a few videos just dissecting his case and giving my opinion on what i think he did and i don't he just doesn't like it obviously because it's just bringing up [ __ ] that is in his past that he doesn't want dug up i guess this is the stuff about the drug testing yeah because there was that whole debacle with the uh you know the pulsing and the tyrannoball metabolite yeah what's your take on that um personally i think that if you go back historically to the beginning like obviously the guy is pretty loose on what he's willing to do in terms of you know substances yeah so with him um if you go back to his first positive test results i believe he tested positive for clomiphene and letrozole way back in like 2016 or something so if you look at those two drugs one of them is an aromatase inhibitor that you would use to prevent gynoformation usually and then clomid is like a fertility drug you would use to restore testosterone production or in women use it to aid in fertility so using those two drugs back then to me seemed like something you would be doing to either you know prevent the gyno from what you were using at a time when it was less scrutinous perhaps and then the clomid you know to recover or something was tainted as what his claim was but we already have you know history of him doing this or getting popped for something pretty stupid to get popped for way back in you know 2015-2016 era approximately after that he test positive for tyrion ball and then thereafter the pulsing but the thing that's interesting about that is when nowitzki talks about this pulsing m3 metabolite he refers to well it's not him he's just reiterating the research and it's ultimately they use this reference point of clomid pulsing as a kind of a proxy to exemplify look here's a drug that stores itself in
fat tissue and pulses over time so they use clomid as an example of a because they can't just give a a human a [ __ ] ton of tyranidable and like trying to figure out if this is going to work or not so they give them this fertility drug or they've looked in the data and found to parse out this information about clomid pulsing and they use that as a reference point for like look there's a drug that can pulse over time but the interesting thing is jon jones literally popped for clomid before but he's never had that pulse so he has this tyrion ball that keeps paul saying but the clomid they use as the reference point of a drug that can pulse never pulsed for him but didn't he say that the clomid was from tainted food yeah but he still got it in a system so it's like if you ingested clement why is that not pulsing so what causes something to pulse explain pulsing to people that don't know what we're talking about like the idea would be that metabolites of these hormones like first of all with tyrannoball after icarus came out and like shortly around that the rod chankov is the one who came up with the m3 metabolite test and like extended the detection window of tariniball and that's actually when i mentioned the summer olympics and how many people retroactively got their metal stripped or they got popped for the summer olympics for like 12 years in totality a lot of those positive test results for were forward to ruinable after they used rod chankov's data to like retroactively test the urine samples and see they thought at the time it was undetectable because they got out of their system based on the current detection windows but then when rod shankoff came out with his he came out with his data and when they went back and tested it using his assay you could figure out oh past that date they actually detected for that you know the longer term metabolites so the the idea between behind the pulsing is these metabolites that linger they can store themselves in like fat tissue essentially and they can like liberate themselves over time sporadically has that been
proven or is that theoretical yeah and it was proven in clomid data which is interesting because jon jones literally has plot for clomid but didn't pulse for that yeah but it hasn't been proven before with this stuff no it's a runable never so what's your take on that like i think personally um like the amount of turin ball he had was so small a lot of times like for certain compounds like tarinibal the only way you're gonna get it is like underground like you're gonna get it it's not a pharmaceutical product that's designed for like a clinical application so you're going to get it designed by an underground lab who sells steroids to you know random bodybuilders or a chemist in you know china or something and you're kind of just banking on the fact that it's not going to be tainted they're going to use like clean equipment it's going to be whatever drug you're hoping to get and there are a lot of different scenarios that might you know explain it and there's different theories like i could have that could hypothetically either one could be true potentially but i think one of the options is a drug he thought he was getting that was potentially undetectable was tainted with tyrannoball or he thought he could get around the detection window by taking it unaware of rod chance of long-term data that came out or there's like a variety of different things that could be happening but ultimately for him he got in his system and on paper when you look at his testosterone levels and his ratios of testosterone and epi testosterone like when he fought dc they were so out of whack that it would not be explainable in my opinion by anything other than some sort of suppression of your system via the usage of something so to me not not hard training because hard training does suppress it right yeah but to the degree where he's literally like a female probably not so he's really it was that bad yeah so normally the levels would be over 10 times what he had
in general i'd have to pull it up to remember exactly but he was like in the single digits for urinary testosterone which otherwise should be like it was like 60 60 plus or something he was like four or something and it was multiple data points of his testosterone being single digits to a point that would indicate significant suppression in my opinion what what could be another possible explanation for it other than significant suppression of the super low test levels um i don't know castration is that bad uh yeah it was pretty [ __ ] bad dude it was like the equivalent of you only have your adrenal glands producing testosterone basically like your balls are essentially non-functional but explain this then if that's the case then how would he perform well because of his if he's going into a fight with his testosterone that low because if you have a drug that's suppressing your system the drug you're taking presumably is what is driving your performance vectors that you deem useful enough to use in competition so hypothetically if i was using turinabol like all those athletes in russia or whatever using tarinible you're gonna have some suppression of your testosterone levels which you know on paper could inhibit performance but you're using the drug to drive performance okay so even though your endogenous levels are lower you're relying on this compound you're using that you deem useful enough to dope with potentially so here's my question if they're using a test that's sophisticated enough to detect that he has these very low testosterone levels and he has this pulsing of tyriniball like where is the room for this compound that's going to significantly increase his performance yeah so let's just say hypothetically tyrional or any random oral steroid is not like presumably this isn't 100 factual that's just speculating based on the levels and whatnot but if he has a certain even if he has crushed test the room if they're not looking for a certain drug that's not on their list and you're using it full board whatever
dose you want because they can't detect it because they don't even know it exists then that's going to be significantly performance enhancing okay so then we're talking about something like the balco clear that kind of a deal potentially so it see the thing is like when they catch someone with something like what uh victor conte had come clean with that they used for barry bonds and all these different athletes undetectable you rub it on your skin and no one knew what it was we think oh well they caught that guy they're more sophisticated now you can't get away with that now do you think it's possible there could be some new designer steroids or some new compound that's not on the list of things to be tested for because we don't even know it exists but yet it is significantly enhancing performance uh yes like the clear if you don't have an assay developed for it detecting it is essential you can't prove anything exists in the body if you don't have an acid to detect it so even though you have this elaborate list of steroids that are known about if you have a novel drug and you don't know to detect it even if you have other markers that look [ __ ] up like it's testosterone levels in the gutter there's no threshold amount where you pop because your test is in the gutter they look for high test they don't look for low so if you're really low randomly they might be like oh that's weird and keep an eye on it maybe further test you further for other stuff but it's doesn't mean you couldn't be using something gung-ho the entire time so i do think designer drugs exist i don't necessarily know that they're being leveraged highly in the designer steroid family because you could hypothetically probably be able to determine this compound derived from testosterone was manipulated and you know see something iffy and you know dig into it and get a perhaps find out pretty clear pretty soon what it is and retroactively you know penalize that guy but i do think there are novel agents being developed from the growth hormone side of things epo side of things
um the testosterone obviously there's the carbon isotope ratio proof cholesterol testosterone which you could also potentially argue the guy was using basic like trt and came off and like crashed his system you know at the time of the test or something like there's a million different reasons but ultimately seeing that level in his urine testing for a random compound having in the past test deposit for a fertility drug and an aromatase inhibitor you would only use in the context of like drug use essentially intentionally in most cases it's just like highly improbable i don't think that he's at least tried to do some [ __ ] to get around the system you