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the jurogan experience to a large extent you don't know for example if in hollywood i wrote my first movie i think 1979 and the guy who gave me notes on the movie was a guy called samson rayfelson samson raffleson is famous because he wrote the first talking picture that's how yeah that's how close i am to the beginning of hollywood so i got to win wow yeah so i got to enjoy like 40 years of the great the great adventure of the movie business but the movies that i made aren't getting made anymore a what kind of movies well independent films right like when i was i made a bunch i wrote 30 30 films for hire and i directed like 12 films on a which i also wrote but in those days there was still a little bit of independence so somebody said okay you know what kid i like the script what's it going to cost uh 4 million bucks okay good here's four million books go make the movie and i'll sell it to uh blah blah so that was independent film that doesn't exist that doesn't exist anymore it doesn't no not that i know of because not only did that die the movies of dead they're dead the whole idea of movies was i'm going to get my best gal and my best boy and we're going to go out on a friday saturday night we're going to sit in the dark we're going to eat popcorn and there's the people that are 20 feet high they're like gods we're gonna have the best possible time right and if i don't like that movie i'll see another movie blah blah blah but now the movies are being played on this right and the the movies have become so corporate you know just like twitter that all the decisions they aren't being made by some you know the people i grew up with you know or ancient jews like me smoking a cigar said yeah it seems like a good idea go make it they're being made by 30 people sitting around a board table you know playing playing silly buggers and and uh pig latin with each other's pronouns right i get it you know things mature and things die who would have thought that kodak would
go out of business right they had this magnificent hegemony they made this little product that cost them nothing and the more people used it the more they had to use it so who would kodak would say 15 years ago oh guys you know we have to stop there's this other thing now but they are still making some movies like is it less like is it overall like a lowered production of films no no the problem is always in uh who holds the high ground right who holds the passes controls uh the commerce right who owns the railroads controls the commerce who owns the blah blah blah who owns twitter controls the commerce so it's the suits at the at these movies sure they own the high ground so when i was starting out in the theater i had a blessing i started out in a garage you know with william h macy and joe montana and dennis franz and billy peterson people became the john malkovich the people became huge stars we just working in a garage because we could and we then we eventually moved to broadway and got some credibility because we could but if you can't if you can only start off by entering at the corporate level what are you going to do for example the the people who made the chop shops in southern california right they took cars and they said wow this would be a good idea let's take the blazer and cut the roof off i tell you what let's take this jeep and cut and raise the fenders let's take blah blah blah those were guys in the garage just like i mean john malkovich in the garage and all those ideas got adopted by gm right where they looked at this marvelous invention say well that's a good idea i'll do that and so this year last year ford bought out another bronco but if you take a a degree in automotive design and get hired by ford you're going to be designing tail lights for 10 years right so where's the where's the individual initiative it's not going to exist as milton friedman says until you give the
people with inspiration uh a reason to reveal it it's kind of a brilliant thing so what's the bottleneck is the bottleneck financial is it just too expensive to make films so that they try to make a film that's only going to be financially viable they don't take any creative choices you know who wants to make a film that's not going to be financial nobody ever did you know sometimes the chance the the the film was so expensive it didn't didn't matter anymore the bottleneck is the corporation which controls the the high ground or the method of distribution that's the bottleneck and okay over a hundred years vaudeville died and then there was radio and then radio died and there was television and then the movies and then television then the television drove out the movies the movies are dead and television becomes streaming so the the the method of distribution i hate to sound like a marxist is uh determining the content right okay so if somebody so i s you say okay i want to uh rather than saying honey let's go out and see if there's anything with clint eastwood in it you say no no no i got i bought a subscription right what's on my subscription series what is what can i get on netflix right so they're turning out sausages of course they are but the movies were turning out sausages too to the largest extent i just had a good time making them so i'm still trying to figure out like what's this leap that you're making to being like this uh hardcore conservative or or whatever you are well like i don't know whatever you know i don't the hardcore conservative is wrong the leap is i have i have to be able to understand so your business doesn't exist in the way that it existed when you were coming up and making your great films for me for you yeah because the other thing is i was 22 years old i don't want to work with grandpa right i get it right the young people have a chance to have their day and the technology changed doesn't do any good you know i could
to be the greatest designer of passenger trains in the world but they are still making independent films right yeah the bunch of independent films how do they get made i don't know you don't know listen herman melville right wrote the thing about the big fish wrote a book about a big fish moby dick remember him yes so he says the first thing he says in the book is there's no different he says the greatest disparity in the world is between the people who are looking for work and the people are looking for help right so the people looking for help we're always saying jesus christ i can't get good help and the people looking for work says i can't get a job you