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The jogan Experience well you know one of the interesting things about endogenous DMT and especially with this discovery and such high levels in the brain is that it may be the endom Matrix it could be kind of regulating everything all of the time what do you mean by that regulating everything all the time it could be the way we interact with reality is through endogenous DMT which is always at a steady level well it's the the way I began wondering about that is because you know what is the purpose of endogenous DMT you know why does the brain make DMT can you do a DMT test on a person's blood level it's it's pretty hard it's pretty hard it's really low in the blood it's like you know billionths of a gram per milliliter okay so you'd have to measure it in the actual brain itself in the brain or spinal fluid maybe spinal fluid but most likely brain when they start doing stuff like neuralink where they're going to insert wires into your brain and you know you're going to have an app to control your brain control control your mood I mean it seems like that would be one of the ways they would do it right um well you'd need to find you know where in the brain the main you know source of DMT is and then put an electrod there and keep that going do you think it's it's limited to one specific area where it's developed oh man they're just they're just beginning to unravel the whole uh role and location of endogenous DMT so when they know that it's in the liver and they know that it's in the lungs um the lungs to me sound interesting because of holotropic breathing right you know because people have done breathing exercises and achieved states of Altered States Of Consciousness yeah yeah it kind of makes sense doesn't it well yeah but I think it's not working through the lungs because those more recent studies haven't really demonstrated DMT in lung oh yeah yeah I used to say It's Made in lung everybody used to say It's Made in lung but it seems like it's made in brain so if it's made in brain then all the other stuff you're just getting like a trickle down effect well does it go through the whole body yeah but it's metabolized so quickly that you know by
the time it gets into the blood that you're drawing the concentrations are pretty minuscule wow what a sneak molecule well you have to wonder what it's doing right right what is it doing what is endogenous what's the function of it you know there is the possibility we have a DMT neurotransmitter system like serotonin or dopamine in which case you know what is it doing wow so this is this is a really wild way to think about it because to this time i' never even considered that I always thought of it as being something that was responsible maybe for very vivid dreams or something that was responsible for near-death experi experiences or what happens to you when you die the idea of a portal but I never thought about it as being something that is regulating regular everyday reality um well you know one of the Hallmarks of the DMT effect is that it feels more real than real yeah and uh you study the function of endogenous neurotransmitters by giving you know drugs that modify the effect of that endogenous neurotransmitter you know so we've got the SSR anti-depressants and they affect serotonin although they may not all that much but but still that's been the working model for decades and uh you know so you know because sris are useful for depression and anxiety you then can speculate that serotonin is responsible for mood or anxiety you know so the Hallmark of the you know DMT effect is it's more real than real it feels more real than anything else you know so it's tempting to speculate but but that again when I go back to that disembodied uh mind thought process of like thinking like what am I thinking when I'm over there since my body doesn't seem to be there and I'm there and it's it seems more real than real is that me just tricking myself into thinking that it's a different place uh I mean how could you tell how could I tell right yeah I mean how would you know I have one way of looking at it that I always describe this is what I say to people I say if there was a thing that you could do like a door you could go through and that door would take you to the another dimension where you would communicate with some
entity Beyond Your Wildest imagination that's constantly visually changing and communicating with you telepathically and knows everything about you sees all your [ __ ] and is trying to impart some ideas that will help you with your life cuz it's a Godlike experience like you're experiencing like some sort of uh Uber powerful entity some more Uber intelligent entity something Beyond any if we just looked at humans and thought of the the evolution of human one day we'll get to this we're not going to get to that that is a different it seems like it's so beyond the body it's so beyond the the human monkey body this is what I tell people I go if I could give if you would open a door and you would go there and you'd have the that experience would you do it and most people like yes I would do it if I gave you a drug that gave you that experience you still have the exact same experience it's the exact same experience you've just decided it's not real and you've decided it's not real because you're putting in this category of hallucination like what does that even mean what does that even mean you're actually having that experience I don't know what it is I mean I I like to play play Devil's Advocate and I like to think that maybe I'm messing with my own head and maybe I'm just like it's like well through doing what looking at it like maybe it's just my neurochemistry Going Bonkers and and and you know interacting with my visual cortex could produces hallucinations but it doesn't feel that way that's what I'm that's why I'm trying to figure out if you're bullshitting yourself when you're over there or if it's you really are over there but what I tell people is it's the same experience yeah what difference does it make what yeah yeah um it's you know previously invisible yeah and it contains information a lot yeah and I think that's all you can say about it it contains information about you right well it it it could only be happening to you yeah yeah it's not happening to somebody else it's like it gives you advice it can uh but you I I mean how do you judge the value of that advice yeah well what is the ad one one of the things that happened to me I've talked about this ad know mum unfortunately if you've heard
this before folks but uh one of my experiences there was like a bunch of jokers like Jesters or like Jester hats and they were giving me the finger they were going like this [ __ ] you and it made me realize I was taking myself too seriously like instantaneously I went oh I get it and they were like this they went like like don't do that don't do that but like saying [ __ ] you to me it was so clear what they were doing doing it was so clear it was like a little lesson like don't do that yeah it's interesting you know don't do that that's like three syllables and they correspond to a heartbeat you know when I tripped on DMT the first time these beings came out of this waterfall and they said now do you see now do you see now do you see it was the same three beat thing I love you they say I love you a lot I love you and I think it corresponds to the heartbeat because it's in sync you know the in syn with a heartbeat yeah the one time I did it and these entities were talking to me and saying I love you 600 million 500,000 times like the way a child would say I love you with like some crazy number seven billion zillion you know like and every time they did that it would show a more beautiful image like every image like I love you 600 million 500,000 times I love you 700 zillion 400 and every time they did it it was just this bigger and bigger experience visually to the point where I was like crying I was like openly Weeping at the beauty of just what I was seeing it sounds beautiful it was wild but it was that simple sort of there's just like a like they'll say simple things to you in a way that you're not really hearing it but you know what they're saying well it kind of penetrates you yeah yeah it's very weird mhm and it's very weird very weird yeah you used to not talk about your personal experiences with it I know I figured to hell with it yeah I think so I think it's good that you did that because I remember when we first met you were reluctant to discuss it you you I mean you didn't really want to talk about it publicly or want people to know about it publicly mhm yeah I figured that I had some legitimacy to maintain a few years back I had this
conversation uh you with Dennis McKenna you know like about your reputation and or you know one's reputation he said I've just given up on my reputation it just you know so well you need talk as openly about psychedelics as Dennis he's the best guy to talk about it too because his he's got a really interesting way of discussing things you know and he's had so many personal experiences and he's so smart and he's got this incredible vocabulary to just draw from and when he describes the actual impact of psilocybin and psychedelic chemicals particularly in formation of language he was describing the stoned ape Theory the stoned ape yeah it's incredible he listening to him say it because the way he describes it like he actually understands what psilocybin and what all these various molecules are doing to different parts of the brain and why that would facilitate the development of language and compassion and connect the tribe more and um well I mean you do you think it actually is information coming from the brain or do you think you know that the portal is being opened up and the information's coming from above I think that's more likely I think the more likely is that the brain is an antenna you know it's one of the things that creative people will always tell you like someone sits down and writes a song it just like came from the air they're getting things from somewhere else almost and it's almost like you just got to get out of your own way you gotta put enough good juice out there in the world and take enough bad out and like and then just and see the world from a a a clear perspective in at least in in these brief moments of creativity and then things come to them they just like they're sitting in front of the computer and Bam they got an idea for a book like where the [ __ ] is all that coming from it seems like people always want to say it's a muse like that's the Steven pressfield uh analogy he's got a great book about it called the war of art all about like like inviting the Muse into your life and being disciplined and sitting there at the computer every day and summoning it and treating it like it's an entity and if you do that it works like this is what's crazy like people who are disciplined and also creative like that decide I'm going to
write this book I'm G to sit down and I'm GNA force myself every day like ideas come to them like where are they where the [ __ ] are they coming from like is it possible that the brain really is like some sort of an antenna and that wisdom and love and all these different things they're just all around us we're just confused by our monkey bodies well do you think we're getting that information from God if that's what you want to call it you know the the the the only problem I have with the word God and it's not really a problem but it's a recognition is that it's a loaded word it's a loaded word but so is love yes you know so I think you just got to take the good with the bad well that's Alex Gray's position Alex Gray says we have to take it back the same way we take back love and say God all the time and you know that's what he does yeah and that's the reason I think it's good to use the word psychedelic instead of hallucinogen or yeah I think so too and theen or anything like and theen is a cool word it's cool it assumes a lot though yeah it's like people that call Weed cannabis you know I like to smoke a lot of cannabis like okay settle down buddy yeah like the term in theen it refers to God Theos and it refers to n which means that God exists within mhm and it has the word gen in it which means it's a drug which is you generating something like a like God you know so that assumes a lot and there are people who could benefit from psychedelic experiences who might not caught into those ideas and would avoid it in theen but my take a psychedelic yeah I think psychedelic sounds manageable and theen sounds like you're join in a cult it's a bit cultish well isn't everything a bit cultish it seems like whatever anything you know really affects people in a lot of ways there's always someone who looks to sort of take the reins and sort of dictate what the experience is and how to do it and what the ritual should be and how you should you know manage it and it gets culty uh it gets culty um but I think you could you know deul toy it you know to some extent