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[Music] all day so it's good to see you man good to see you man how you doing my pleasure how you doing i'm doing great yeah it's been an interesting uh year or so but man it's been it's been a good year what was the the craziness like like when all the people were calling you a plague rat and i mean it's it's you and how do you say the guy's name the tennis player novak djokovic yeah djokovic i mean we talk about the healthiest human beings on earth professionally in the u.s open now yeah i know because of this which is bananas the guy's already had kovid recovered from it i think he had it twice yeah and he's one of the best athletes in the world i mean the guy's body's in tip-top conditions players are oh credible fitness incredible yeah yeah and no you can't come you didn't follow the rules like it's it defies science defies logic it doesn't make any sense none of it makes sense especially at this stage of the the pandemic air quotes i mean what the [ __ ] man what was it like for you it was it was really difficult for sure and a lot of different reasons i think i knew that this was coming down that at some point i was gonna talk about my status because i'd chosen to not get vaxxed for reasons that you talked about uh on your show and i talked about on we should just say it because uh it's kind of important you you're allergic to a medication or a part of the vaccine right what is it called peg polyethylene glycol and uh so i did my research um i now i think typically speaking because i'm healthy and i take care of myself um getting vaccinated was not on the top of my list but you know i wanted to look into it because everybody was doing it and talking about it and and trying to be safe and i wanted to make sure i was you know doing my part if that's what was necessary to keep myself safe and my
loved ones safe and my teammates safe then i looked into it and at the time i went on the cdc website and they specifically said you know if if you're allergic to pg we do we do not recommend you get vaccinated with the mrna vaccinations so the only other one available was johnson johnson and it just got pulled at the time for blood clots so i looked into other options which included uh an immunization process through a holistic doctor and i researched and talked to probably a dozen different md's and found a protocol that i felt like was was the best available and what is that what what's involved in that problem it involved um basically uh a couple month process of taking a diluted um strand of the virus so i was doing basically what the vaccine is supposed to do without how do they do that i don't know the the the exact way that they did that but um but it was by injection no no it was it was um it was oral and how are they even getting a diluted strand of the virus i don't i don't know that exactly or want to get into that exactly i don't think but um but there was uh hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of people that i knew in this circle that that we're using that have been doing this to protect ourselves because we were thinking hey look uh you know for me i didn't want to risk anaphylactic shock uh or any type of clotting with you know associated with the vaccine so um so my that was my only option either do nothing or do this process and i felt like that this was the best way to protect myself and my teammates and that the nfl
would understand you know and maybe grant me a waiver because one of the most difficult parts about the whole process was that there was clearly two classes of player at the facility there was the vaxxed and the unvaxed and the vax had full privileges they tested once every two weeks they had full privileges on the road they could go out to dinner on the road they could go to a concert in town they could go to a comedy show that was in town they could be at any place they wanted to right and live life normally non-vaxxed fully masked zero privileges on the road you could not go into establishments more than fifteen people you cannot be around more than uh three uh the three individuals from the team outside the facility all these different what i think now we all realize were crazy uh policies and that's what actually got me in into into trouble was that i attended a halloween party in a 10 000 square foot warehouse with 18 other individuals all fully vaccinated and myself not vaxxed and was eventually fined for that end up getting covered from a vaccinated teammate of mine who contracted covid and spread it and that's where it gets a little bit crazy and i told this story i think on the mcphee show but i said when i came to camp they knew i was not vaccinated right so you had to you had to submit a vaccination card that went to the system with the nfl and obviously i didn't have one so i was given we were given wristbands too so everybody in the facility knew who was vaxxed and who wasn't vaxxed faxed was green non-vax was yellow so already it's weird yeah you know like wearing your colors out there and i think you know to to do an aside here there was a lot of shaming involved in it
there was a lot of public shaming that was attempted to coerce people to get vaccinated because not only you're wearing a yellow wristband you're the only ones wearing masks and you you have to work out by yourself can't work out with your teammates so no drills nothing well you could at practice but weight room stuff or our weight room every day we're working out on the side just the seven of us not back is it because practice is outside and the weight room is inside is it easily yeah but so they knew my vaccination status from the start um as did all my teammates it was a lot of talk about i endangered my teammates and you know i lied to my teammates and my team from day one that i returned which was july 25th probably of 2021 they knew where i was at everybody did also on the side i had an appeal going with the nfl because i said look here's my uh health issues here's the protocol i went through here's the research behind it gave him 500 pages of research from a number of people that put together case review studies around homeopathy and immunizations and safety in them and also the efficacy of them and then i had a conversation with the league and the league said in this conversation this one i knew that my appeal was definitely not going to happen was they said it's not possible for a vaccinated player a person sorry to contract or transmit codeword if they've been vaccinated and i said you got to be kidding me because i showed up and five people non-players five people fully vaxxed are out with covet so what are you talking about and he said you're a conspiracy theorist oh boy and i said no i just think i'm a realist i'm just
looking at the facts here like what point in the pandemic was this this was like beginning of august 2021 so by then they had already known that breakthrough infections were real by then it had already i mean the the vaccines started being rolled out um was it when what was the first year it was january of 2020 where they started getting them to older people right no no that's not started right i'm sorry january 2021 sorry yeah january 2021 they started giving out to older people wasn't that they started rolling out in march and april because that's when i was going through the process of researching and looking into what i could do right to protect myself having the you know theology of that and by august people were still they were already getting it even though they had been vaccinated so this was not you know it wasn't talked about i don't think a lot right but it was four months and it was definitely happening so it was definitely happening yeah yeah i had only known one person at that time somewhere around april that had been vaccinated and also garcovic and i just thought it was an aberration i didn't based on what i saw in the first few weeks at the facility and that's why i thought there was an opportunity um but it was difficult because we were separated there's a whole other situation that was going on that uh you know also was going on in in the rest of society is that uh my non-vax teammates who were on the bubble right so 53 guys make the active roster 16 on the practice squad so the 69 guys in the squad there's 90 in camp right so of the i say seven i think there's about 10 guys not vaxxed a few of us were guaranteed roster spots like we were going to be on the team and there's a lot of bubble guys the general managers and there was
there was talk around the league how general managers were not going to keep bubble non-vax players all right so they're already up against it not only did did non-vax players have a harder chance of making the squad but they also had an almost zero percent opportunity to get a workout afterwards so if you get cut right and the season starts every tuesday during the football season most teams will bring in anywhere from five to 15 guys for workouts just to see who's out there is there any players that can add to the roster so if you weren't vacs do you had a very low percentage not just of keeping a job but even getting a job opportunity like a you know a workout which is wild and so after this conversation with the league i knew that my appeal was going away and they were doing this i called it a witch hunt you know where they were asking every single player are you vaccinated you know they're asking a bunch of big quarterbacks and some guys were saying you know it's you know you know it's personal or whatever you know i didn't want to talk about their status and that almost guaranteed you weren't vaccinated right so then they were getting ripped and certain guys said yes i'm vaccinated and you know then they tried to get them to say [ __ ] about their teammates you know who weren't vaccinated like dog their teammates out so i'd been ready the entire time for this question and had thought about how i wanted to answer it and i had come to conclusion i'm going to say i've been immunized and if there's a follow-up then talk about my process but thought there's a possibility that i'd say i'm immunized maybe they understand what that means maybe they don't maybe they follow up they didn't follow up so then i go the season them thinking some of them that i was
vaccinated right because they fought the only follow-up they asked was basically asking me to rip on my teammates like what do you say to your teammates who are vaccinated like what kind of example do you feel like you're setting you know to your teammates who are vaccinated i said it's everybody's own decision with their body and we're super healthy individuals we take care of ourselves we understand what goes in our bodies and i don't have any judgment on any decision that a guy makes with her own body right but i knew at some point if i can track the covid or if word got out because it's the nfl and there's leaks everywhere it was possible i'd have to answer the questions and then sure enough i can track of it in uh at the beginning of november end of october um and that's when the [ __ ] storm hit because now i'm a liar i'm in you know endangering uh you know the community my teammates all these people and the you know you know the attempted takedown of me and you know my word and my integrity uh began but um so that was that was difficult but i will say in that and i'm thankful to be on this show like i really appreciate you and you helping me out during that time i reached out to you uh i think beginning this season i feel like and just said hey because you talked about in your podcast a little bit you'd had some you know controversial maybe less controversial now um people on there talking a bit less controversial now talking about their uh you know they're actually people experts in the field talking about you know their own uh ideas about covet and uh and you know you helped me with a uh you know a game plan to be ready in case i did get covet and and
i followed it to a t and when i got covered you know within 36 hours i was you know symptom-free and feeling amazing but the protocols was you're off for 10 days so i missed a game we lost a football game i came back had to answer a ton of questions about it obviously had my you know basically i lost you know the majority of allies i thought i had in the media the good thing is it drew a real line in the sand and everybody who wanted to jump on me and and trash me did and showed their true colors and very few people uh you know kind of in the media at least uh stuck by me well it was like mccarthyism at certain at a certain point in time it was it was like a red scare like everybody was looking for communists they were just looking for non-vaxxers it was it was like a fever in the air because people had been convinced that this was the thing that was going to get us out of the pandemic and if you didn't follow that thing that you were the enemy of it so i could kind of understand why people had that perspective if they hadn't looked into it which is a weird term or at least if they hadn't uh you know so it's kind of a shallow term but if they hadn't you know consulted with real experts especially in your case that when you had an actual allergy it's a particular issue and the desire to not take the medication that was pulled for clots that seems pretty [ __ ] reasonable but reason was out the window at that point in time well that's what was crazy to me was people just said oh just get the jab you know the keith olbermanns of the world just get the damn jab and i'm like that guy is the gift that keeps giving he is [ __ ] hilarious unintentionally hilarious like he's a character in a movie i love it i hope he keeps talking but that was that was a sentiment i'm like yeah anaphylactic shock uh also i'm super healthy and take care of
myself really well and oh by the way i just went from woke up really bad symptoms to 36 hours later i feel great and no one wanted to hear that no one wanted to hear that there was a way that you could get through it without being vaccinated and that you would recover very quickly no one wanted to hear that and they were coming with all sorts of reasons why you you shouldn't even say that oh and they yeah they came after you about horse dewormer and you know sanjay was on here and you mop the floor with them and you know and then you know then he goes back on cnn and and basically you know tries to rip you it's just like it was it was ridiculous but let me just say this point because i think this is really important the you know the two main things against me that they want to say one that i lied i didn't i didn't you didn't ask me a follow-up but i said i was immunized and i went through an immunization process i don't know how you would classify that other than say i was immunized but that to me was the truth is the truth didn't have some follow-up yeah it's a follow-up i tell you what i mean that that's one number two that i really i don't like um and didn't like the characterization that i put people in danger right that i endangered my teammates i lied to my teammates and already said from day one they knew medical staff everybody in the organization everybody knew i'm wearing a yellow wristband i'm not vaxxed everybody knew my status but number two what non-vax players had to do is we had to test every single morning so vaccinated players testing every once it once every two weeks right non-vaxxed every single morning every off day every day of the bye week off for a week while everybody else is off traveling and enjoying their life we stay in green bay and we test it every single day so every day that you saw me and i've said it before i go to about two places in green bay i go to the grocery store i go to barnes noble you know like i love to read and i gotta get my groceries if you
saw me those two places you can be a hundred percent sure that i tested that morning and then i tested negative before i even could walk into the facility i had to test wait in my car and then wait for 30 minutes for them to text to text me and say that you're that you're negative you can enter the building so every single day i was at the facility every single day that any of my teammates saw me any of my coaches every single day that you saw me at barnes noble or at the grocery store i was negative for that day like i took it seriously because obviously there was a lot of a lot going on now i didn't believe in wearing a mask at a press conference you have a room full of reporters who are fully vaxxed wearing masks sitting 30 feet away from me and again this goes to the shame they wanted me as a non-vaxxed player to wear a mask for an interview while you're negative you were tested well i'm negative that morning in a room full of fully vaccinated people who are none of them are closer than 30 feet away from me i don't think during a pandemic there's anything wrong with testing people every day i mean i think if you want to keep people safe and you want to keep that from spreading throughout the team that's probably the best way to approach it but everything else just seems so nuts but we're looking at it you know hindsight is 20 20 right we're looking at it from after it's over and so many people they just bought the narrative that was being promoted by cnn and msnbc and wherever that if you get vaccinated you can't get coveted you can't spread covet that was the narrative and that's my thing i get it like you want to test every everybody every day cool that's fine you don't want to keep people safe if that's the benchmark for it but as we look back now let's not revise history let's not revise history on what actually happened what was said because what was said was you get the vax
you can't spread it or contract it yeah no one seems upset that that was a lie in including burks who has said that she had always known that it was not going to stop transmission and it was not going to stop people from spreading it which is wild she would say you we knew that you were still going to get it even if you got vaccinated which is no one said that no pandemic of the unvaccinated yeah uh the what do they call the winter the uh winter of death or whatever i say that winter of death and suffering yeah it's like they were game of thrones like they were they're talking about the [ __ ] white walkers coming winter of death i mean jesus christ it just it's so wild because at that point when they had said that we had already realized like oh this is 78 of the people hospitalized we're obese most of the people that died were either obese or very overweight or uh rather very old comorbidities yeah four core mobilities at least four for like more than 50 percent of the people yeah but people will love to look at someone to be mad at that's one of the things if they can find a guy like you who's killing it in our our league is one of the greatest you know books every single year that's written you know it's it's it's a mystery novel you never know what's going to happen but in a great epic novel you need your protagonists and your antagonists you need your heroes and your villains and i think they just like we're gonna make this guy the villain because he's been so good for so long and he's not vexed but i think it ultimately didn't hurt me because at the end of the season i was playing really well i came back from covid
played seahawks we won and i didn't have a great game that game but the last like six seven games i played really really well and then there was a reporter out of chicago who said that i'm the biggest jerk in the league and he wouldn't vote for me for mvp because of my vac status so it kind of put the rest of the other 49 mvp voters i think on notice going oh are you going to let your personal political bias enter into a conversation about who the most valuable player of the league is and not vote for this guy because he's not vexed i think that played into at least some of their minds at some point because they would have to answer how do you justify not voting for this guy for mvp right so ultimately it came out ahead yeah i think so how long was it before you were treated normally like you were this is the best part once the playoffs happened it went from non-vax testing every single day and vax that point had to test once a week now so it went down from two weeks to one week but once you got into playoffs you only tested for symptomatic faxed or not faxed yeah they didn't want to take any chances once you're in the playoffs they want everybody to play of course a lot of money on the line baby when did they start treating you normally though like did you feel like with the press and with i mean now it's there's still that mark i think really yeah really some of those reporters are such [ __ ] it's just like there's a thing in sports where there's it's way less of it in mma but there's a thing in sports where it's par for the course to be a douche bag to players to treat them badly and to talk about them badly because i guess they have this uh very special role in society where they get to be professional athletes so you're allowed to you know if if there's a dropped ball or there's a play that doesn't go well you you could say all sorts of personal things about them and disparage their character and call them lazy and call them entitled
and all these different things that they love to do and it's it's really like ramped up in sports more than anywhere and i think it's because of sports fans like sports fans have been doing that forever you know when they're at work you know you're you got you show up at the job and you like see that [ __ ] game last night that guy sucks you know and there's this like attitude that they like i think repeated and it's really these uh clunky personalities they're not good reporters they're not they're not like brilliant people they just have found this thing that they do they just act like a [ __ ] you know what i mean yeah and some of them use my name for a long time to to stay on some of their networks yeah and you never forget it's just you know i think the interesting thing for me is to see how it changed and whether and how my vaccination status they couldn't get past that they couldn't get past years of friendship and me doing favors for them doing interviews with them if they needed something making sure i made time to you know give them a sound bite or do an interview or come on their show and i'm talking about probably a dozen that i thought were allies in the media meaning friendly to me and that they knew like if if they needed a guest or something and i had the time i would always make time for them and haven't heard from any of them i think you got off light that's good cut them out if that's the kind of people they are you know either they should apologize to you and learn and grow or get them out of your [ __ ] life no i mean that's why i said it was a blessing it really was because it made it clear who is in my corner and who is not yeah i mean whatever happened to being like a charitable forgiving person is that like a quality there's none of that if you don't follow the mainstream narrative or if you don't agree with me take out the mainstream nato if you
don't agree with me i can't be friends with you because i can only i get to live in an echo chamber and that's what society and social media has done i think on so many levels like you're saying earlier 20 years ago the guy bitching it you know about his favorite player played bad is bitching to his buddies at work and now they're all on social media going nuts and stirring up and like like we were talking about earlier it takes just a couple people with an opinion that can you know sway something in in a direction and then you know start this landslide of negativity around something yeah that's why i don't go on those things i just post and ghost i post and i get the [ __ ] out of there i mean it's very it's valuable for me social medias for you know podcasts and comedy and stuff like that and you know it occasionally i like to point out cool stuff like they found some yeah you do every time some of the robot stuff's really [ __ ] great it's coming we're [ __ ] we're [ __ ] they're common i mean whether they're using them for military or they're going to use them for law enforcement but we're going to have robots wandering through the streets telling you show your papers i robot man yeah it's going to happen i remember that movie used to be so fun because i used to think of it as like oh wow this is never going to happen but this is kind of crazy if it did and now i'm like jesus when is that going to happen because you see those um those boston dynamics robots like my friend lex friedman has one and it was over his house it was like jesus man it's like it's like someone having a werewolf in their house like what are you doing with this [ __ ] thing get this out of here i saw a robot video there they have robots shooting at targets and they were [ __ ] with it you know they were hitting in the back and messing around and it'd still find its range you know i think that's fake isn't that one fake because there's there's a series of guys that do these amazing cgi things and i think that's one of the things they did i think they were trying
because that was scary yeah it's scary but some of the little dog robots yeah that open doors and stuff have you ever seen that um i think it's called heavy metal it's an episode of uh black mirror yeah if you're seeing that episode where the robot's chasing after the lady that is so possible so possible all they have to do is be yeah and if it's tracking with satellite and if you you have a [ __ ] rfid chip that they can track or some sort of a bluetooth locator like an air tag and they know where you are at all times we're gonna we're gonna we're about a decade away from and we're all very strange and we're all eating insects yeah we're either in insects or bill gates fake meat he's going to make us eat his fake meat so he look like him this is non-health experts these really unhealthy people that want to tell people how to be healthy it's very strange and they all want to use climate change as this this is the main reason why you have to follow this rule that's going to enrich them beyond imagination if they can really get you to get off of meat and start eating a plant-based burger that their company develops or a bug-based burger i'm not opposed to eating bugs i was the host of fear factor right i've eaten a lot of bugs and when last time i went to mexico actually um when we we went to this resort and we got to this place and they had a bowl of like stir-fried crickets that uh it was like a teriyaki flavored stir-fried cricket i was like what the [ __ ] is this this is like a few years back before the pandemic and i tried it it's like it's not bad it's kind of salty they're good it's like just a bug is no different than a crab crabs are delicious they're just big bugs that's what they are in fact one of the things we found out from fear factor is that people that are allergic to shellfish are also allergic to roaches and we found that out the hard way this guy i ate a roach great show by the way it's a fun show yeah but roaches don't taste bad they don't they taste like almost
nothing there's like a flavor it's gross that you're eating a roach but when you're eating it i was like this is nothing there's not much going on here if i had to eat roaches to stay alive i'd eat roaches if i was trapped somewhere and i'd eat roaches this is fast nah nah i'd rather be full i'd rather scare i have a distorted perception of food obviously because of fear factor i think i know what you can eat what you can't eat and it's uh most of it's psychological and a lot of the things that we serve people in fact were delicacies in other countries like i had a lot of filipino friends and uh they we we serve balut which is uh it's uh i believe it's a duck it's a fertilized duck egg and so it has like the embryo in the egg and it's a delicacy in the philippines and so my filipino friends were like that's hilarious we eat that all the time we love it have you ever seen balut yeah i have now i feel like i've seen the episode yeah i used to watch the show all the time yeah it's it's not bad it's just in your head but it's like it's it's like it's a yeah real like yeah kind of feathers and everything that's it there you go yeah yeah so they had to eat that that little fertilized duck yeah i don't know how that ever became a delicacy it's probably very nutritious if i had a guess i mean it's got all the organs and everything in there it's probably very rich in protein and yeah i didn't eat one of those but they served them what did you eat though spiders and everything i ate um the on the very first episode i ate sheep's eyeball that was not that bad either that's all in your head um i ate a tomato horn worm not that bad didn't taste bad uh i ate um an iraqi cave dwelling spider i ate live or that yeah well i've before he got in my teeth he was dead when i swallowed him um i ate a madagascar hissing cockroach that's what the big ones that was again it was nothing it didn't taste like anything it's like very bland would you put a little just a tabasco or
something no i just i think that was an episode where there was a woman who was scared to do it she wouldn't do it it was i believe it was celebrity fear factor and she wouldn't do it and so i said listen if you do it i'll do it oh yeah and so i said look i'm gonna i'll do it it's no big deal i just wanted to get her to move on i'm like come on you can do this like but i'm so jaded by it at this point and now yeah same thing doesn't bother me like people could throw up right in front of me there it is so that's the lady so that's the that's the madagascar hitch look at me a full head of hair back in the day so it was no big deal matt kevin federline that's me buddy no no the other guy oh no that's uh no that's the other guy yeah one of the backstreet boys yeah which one is it his name from backstreet kevin but federer line up ali landry it was fun stephen baldwin but uh no big deal it's just it's in your head it's like what am i eating but really if you know if you had to eat a bowl of them and stay alive it's not hard you're not convinced i mean people ate animal dicks on that show we served them a buffalo penis ladies man deer penis yeah guys how do you too it was a weird show it was awesome but uh yeah eat the bugs eat z bugs yeah i don't understand that i guess it's because i mean it is a good source of protein the thing is like cricket protein i know guys who eat that they they have uh cricket protein shakes although there's like a powdered cricket protein and they'll apparently it's like a good source of protein they eat it as a protein shake well still on the fence you should be it's not as good nice rib eyes better yeah you know nice elk steak nice buffalo ribeye that's better something that you shoot too yeah yeah that's even better yeah yeah but i mean it's um just what we're saying this is a weird
time in terms of like control and in terms of uh the influence of uh these forces with amazing resources that are trying to lean society into a very specific direction you know the world economic forums article or the uh rather advertisement where they're like you will own nothing and you'll be happy and be happy just imagine saying that to people because that doesn't even make any sense because someone's going to own these things so who owns it the state the state owns it what about you do you own anything are people renting these things how's that work does someone own it no one owns it no so everybody can just take whatever you want you're going to be happy joe you're gonna be happy you're gonna be real how about what if i'm already happy [Laughter] you will give us your land imagine being able to say that this is going to make you happy like how the [ __ ] do you know what makes people happy i think when whenever i reach a point where i think that i you know i really don't give any [ __ ] then i think about the world economic economic forum yeah yeah that that is a strange thing because i never even knew that was a thing until a couple of years ago and then i started watching nothing to see here just to you know the world leaders talking about policy for the internet yeah no big deal nothing nothing to worry about the ceo of pfizer was on that and he was talking about a medication that you swallow that has some sort of a chip in there that can tell people whether or not you actually took the medication and he says imagine the compliance yeah and this is a guy that profits at an extraordinary level from these medications i mean he is insanely wealthy he is the ceo of one of the biggest corporations on planet earth and he's saying imagine the compliance compliance yeah he's not saying imagine how many healthy people we could have imagine how many diseases we can cure now all the words to use there yes compliance compliance is amazing because that's what if if it's about his bottom line which it most certainly is
you know the bottom line requires compliance the more compliance the more make sure they're taking those pills yeah it's [ __ ] brought to you by pfizer 75 of all television advertisement is all pharmaceutical drugs and aren't we one of the few countries that allows only two only two right only two and the other one is new zealand and new zealand is far more restrictive than us yeah but all those other countries they think that we're out of our [ __ ] minds advertising for all these things are going to make you happy there's a girl running through a wheat field and there's great music playing and she was here's the side effects yeah but then we're going to finish with a happy thought running through a meadow the side effects are crazy playing with your grandson yeah it's a strange time man it's a strange time because our information our media has been co-opted by money and the money that comes from selling pharmaceutical drugs and we all know look i remember i went and i got my nose fixed i had a deviated septum and i walked out of there and the doctor tried to give me two different painkillers i said but i'm not in pain and he said but you will be and i said well how's it going to get worse how is it going to get worse than this like it's really not that big a deal like i've been hitting i always [ __ ] 200 times i have no idea it was broken it i broke my nose at least half a dozen a dozen times i don't even know how many times i broke it because i mean in training you leave and you have a bloody nose it's totally normal because we're talking about like the deviation of cartilage i mean it didn't break the physical structure of my nose more than twice that i know of like the actual bone itself but the the cartilage was separated and there was blood in there all the time so it was normal so this guy telling me that it's going to be worse than what i'd normally experience i was like how but he was like pushing these on me i never took anything it never even hurt never bother woke up in the morning waiting for the pain nothing all i could do was breathe you
know i had some stuff some big foam tubes stuck up there for a couple weeks i think and then it was nothing yeah i mean the pain management especially with our sport is fascinating to see how things are treated and i use quotations untreated because um up until probably a decade ago you know it was easily accessible to get oxy percocet vicodin whatever you wanted um did they make sure you weren't playing on that stuff no you played definitely yeah wow and what did you ever play on it yeah what did you play on percocet and what was the impact on your physical performance i just i mean it was more for pain management so i wasn't taking like uh you know any high dosage but um stupid ultimately you know just you know here's the thing i've had i had knee issues for a long time and you know you take anti-inflammatories right so you're taking anti-inflammatories that all come with a warning if you take this more than a few weeks you got to get your blood tested right because it can do damage to your liver there is so many different things you can take now for you know anti-inflammatory things that are natural that don't cause damage to your body right cbd yeah yeah but cbd is frowned upon and it's always said well there's not enough research yet about you know cbd and any you know positive you know uh you know help that it can do for your body but we're still giving out painkillers way less and it's actually monitored now because there were a few teams that were abusing that um again this was over a decade ago i think when they really changed the policy but um but no it's just it's it's ass backwards the the whole treatment of of the professional it doesn't definitely in our sport you know that we're still giving out that kind of stuff when did they stop doing it as frequently was it
when the crisis kicked in no there was uh i think there was one team that uh you know that people were kind of raiding the uh the cupboards and then they put a they put a stop to so now it's more of a pharmacy based thing where you gotta sign in and sign out and it's monitored in different things but they don't discourage players from playing on pain pills no i don't think so i mean i can't imagine someone fighting on that stuff i mean that the usada is very strict in terms of like what you're allowed to take and what you're not allowed to take and you know they test people very frequently so much so that you know paulo costo just fought in the last ufc they actually tested him the day of the weigh-in which caused a huge outrage because this guy cuts a lot of weight he was dehydrating himself they show up at his house at six o'clock in the morning and asked him to test which is egregious ridiculous and they'll never happen again they put a stop to it and made sure usada doesn't step out of line but at least they stop people from competing on things at least yeah i mean because i could imagine in the nfl i mean for years and you know 70s and 80s there was a lot of stuff you know guys were taking some crazy stuff even when i was in high school people were taking rip fuel which is basically speed yeah you know playing on that but like turtle shots up until recently were really you know across the league kind of standard you know yeah anti-inflammatory right right but like but some of the pain management you know it's it's it's been a little bit wild for a while and and i just don't understand why there's more natural options looked into that are out there that have research behind it um and we're still pushing the same you know percocet viking and oxy if you have pain and yeah you know it's i i saw uh at one point a teammate of mine who was unable to
get treatment on a post-surgical operation without being put under anesthesia because of an addiction to pain medicine wow so he was so addicted that they couldn't even risk him trying it yeah and i and i know multiple teammates over the years i'm talking about high school college and pros who have dealt with their own uh relapses around addiction to pain pills but they're so addictive and that's another thing that the pharmaceutical company tried to lie about the pharmaceutical companies tried to lie i mean that's a dope sick that's the premise of that that whole show like they were lying about whether or not these things were addictive when they knew they were these are the same people the same people that were telling you that you had to get jabbed are the same people that were telling you that opioids were not addictive that paid out 2.3 billion dollars in the biggest fraud case in the history of the world yeah and then there's the vioxx case that killed more than 60 000 americans which when i was in college everybody was taking biox everybody all my teammates are taking a box it's dangerous [ __ ] i know a guy had a stroke from it a guy who fought the ufc chantix yeah right yep as well i think you said on your show but there's something crazy i can't remember the exact number but how many different products get pulled every single month that were fda approved yeah it's a lot yeah that was with john abramson who was um a doctor who's worked to litigate against pharmaceutical companies and in particular against vioxx when they were doing that they had clear information that vioxx was going to be damaging to people they knew there was problems and they they literally said there's going to be some issues but we're going to do very well that's literally internal memo saying we're going to do well financially but people are going to have like that those kind of issues like cardiovascular issues blood clotting issues strokes they knew it was going to kill people
they knew it and they got charged i believe what happened was they made 12 billion and they were fined five which is a good profit margin it's just crazy that you could have any profit margin off of killing 60 000 people and these are the people we're supposed to trust like all of a sudden people put aside all of their thoughts that they had kept every you talked to anyone about whether or not the pharmaceutical companies were ethical whether they were telling the truth whether or not they promoted dangerous medications that were unnecessary and everybody would say yes those same people were calling you a plague rat it's kind of funny now that it's over but in the heat of it was exactly the healthiest swath of the population either that was uh that was coming after oh no no the people that came after me the hardest were fat it was it was hilarious and i was like do you understand that whatever you're doing to your body is way way worse than what covet's going to do to you like what you're doing to your body by being fat like this like if you think you're going to prevent that with some medication it just keeps you from getting coveted and it didn't it's still you're you're [ __ ] dying man you're eating yourself to death you're eating shitty food and you have a sedentary lifestyle and you're probably taking all sorts of pharmaceutical medication for anxiety and depression and all these other things that are [ __ ] with your head it's wild man it's a wild time because people really are conditioned to think that they can take a medication and cure all their ills and cure almost instantaneously something that has become a problem from lifestyle choices that you have you've built up over years and years and years of body abuse so you've abused your body for so long and then you think that's all of a sudden a pain pill or a this pill or that pill is going to fix all that and no one's telling you hey you got to lose weight hey you got to drink water hey you should really exercise on a regular basis hey what about vitamins do you know about vitamin d
yeah ninety percent of population is vitamin d deficient something like that it's it's very high very high yeah it might be 90 but i don't want to it's checked on that one but it gets in the high 70s okay i think it let's find out what percentage of the population it's probably diminished because there has been quite a bit of publicity during the pandemic about vitamin d deficiency because they showed what percentage of people who were in the icu i think it was at one point in time was 84 of the people who were in the icu were insufficient or deficient that's gonna be low there 42 vitamin d interesting it's only 42. i thought it was a lot higher than that that's 2018. i don't think that's accurate uh i think it's higher than that yeah i don't know if i think it's pulling from a different age group that's a cleveland clinic over 65. i would say just over something you just said a second ago i would i would frame it slightly differently i think you said people are conditioned to think i think people are conditioned not to think anymore they're conditioned to do exactly what they're told yeah by their news station by their politician you know people don't want to think for themselves anymore well they're conditioned at work think about if you have a job the majority of people in this country have a job where you have a boss the bosses are very small minority the majority people work for that boss if you work for a corporation they have very stick strict rules they'd like you to follow there's behavior rules there's language rules there's dress rules there's you know rules about the time you're supposed to be there and the amount of work you're supposed to do and what you're supposed to take home and what what's required of you people are conditioned to have someone tell them what they can and can't do and then they get off on friday and they can't wait to get drunk and that's part of why they want to get drunk because they want to escape they want to escape this this grind of a world a person who can
become autonomous a person who can have their own job where it's their business or it's their product that they're selling or their art that they're selling or this something we could be self-sufficient that is the biggest freedom that a person can have in this culture and most people don't have that freedom so most people are conditioned to have someone lay the rules out for them tell them when they're supposed to be there tell them what they get when they work for an hour that most people don't have the ability to just think for themselves it's been taken away from them because they want to make a living and then you get into student loans well that's the craziest one right because you can't even get rid of those right every other every other right uh uh every other loan yeah can go back you can bankrupt yeah except for student loans i know of people that are getting social security docked their social security money is being docked because they owe student loans so you're at the finish line it's the end of your life and you owe money for loans you took out when you're 18. and now you're 65. that's a rough way to leave this life it's a rough and in the amount of interest based on it i was reading about this woman who took out a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in student loans and now she owes 250 000 because of all the interest and all the time yeah and how much over the course of that loan what are you into what are you paying like seven figures for sure right i mean it's it's a [ __ ] business and it's also for many people something that they're not going to use for whatever occupation they choose i mean maybe it will help them get a job if it shows that they have a bachelor's in this or a master's in that but there's a large amount of people out there that are out there working in a field that is not even their field of study in college so they have this student loan that didn't even apply to what they wound up doing for a living and then they have to pay it off forever and it's subsidized by the government so
it's it's an extraordinarily expensive endeavor and you're making this choice when you're 18 you don't know what the [ __ ] you're doing no you have zero idea it's the most vulnerable time in your life before your your frontal lobe forms you're you're not even 25 years old and you're making these life decisions that will affect you forever but it's not pushed uh you know it's shame you're shamed almost yeah if you don't go to college right oh yeah it's never pushed like hey go learn a technical skill right where you can do a year of apprenticeship or college or study yeah and then go make six figures in a job one of the biggest times in my life where i felt like a loser was right out of high school because i took a year off and i remember just telling people that i was going to take a year off how could you this is boston too which is very uh hardcore blue-collar workers and educated people that work hard like everybody works hard in boston it's like it's cold as [ __ ] in the winter and you gotta work like everybody works and so me taking a year off was like go man you're ruining your [ __ ] life joe's gonna be a loser so i really only went to college so that people didn't think i was a loser that's true and what'd you study well um i i went to uh umass boston and it was uh one of those deals where you didn't have to have your sats because it was like continuing education program so i just started taking courses there and i did it for three years and then i was like what am i doing then i quit yeah nice worked out it did but i didn't have to but i mean nothing i studied was interesting to me i mean in terms of something to do for a living i thought you know what am i going to do i just couldn't figure out anything that was like a traditional job that seemed even remotely appealing everything looked like death it just looked like the death of fun the death of hopes and dreams it was just but also you're 18 19 and 20. i was so full of energy too and i just wanted to get go do stuff yeah i just the last thing i want to do is sit in some [ __ ] classroom and listen to some nonsense and memorize it that's
what i like about uh you know friends in uh australia or europe you know most of those kids they finish school and then they take a year right they save up their money and then they take a year of like traveling going to different cultures areas come to the states different parts of europe asia whatever and like go to different cultures think about things yeah find out what's attractive to you yeah what they're what they're into different people yeah that's one of the great things about social media now is that people are able to make a living off of things that were very difficult to pursue like art like if you have like really good art you can you know post it on social media and people share it and the next thing you know you have orders coming in and you're painting for a living yeah that's that's it it's great it's amazing it's one of the beautiful things about our time the more people can escape a system where someone tells you what to do i think the better i mean there's some people that want that and that's fine nothing nothing wrong with wanting a good job there's great jobs out there nothing wrong with that but if you're one of those people like me that just can't [ __ ] sit still and that seemed impossible to you you know back then you know you just felt like a loser it felt like a fool yeah for sure i mean it was what colleges did you get in oh i didn't get in this one yeah you know yeah didn't get into the uc you know so much pressure on people yeah and there's zero i mean when you were a kid and you were playing football what was the attitude about playing in the nfl was it that this was a pipe dream was it was something that was realistic because you were talented like how did how did people approach that i was on a spring break trip with a buddy of mine i remember and yes we're 15 hours in a 15 passenger van going down to mexico doing some like humanitarian work down there that was how i spent my sophomore year and i remember we
you know you're talking about who knows what because back then you might have had a walkman but other than that you'd have any technology and my buddy said you know what do you want to do and i said uh i want to play in the nfl he sucked yeah right never make it you should call that dude up every month [Laughter] but but it was a pipe dream it was a dream for sure but a pipe dream one of my favorite stories about somebody who didn't believe in me was i had this teacher at cal and i wrote this paper in a food appreciation class that was the class food appreciation i could go to that class and there was like 15 and a 15 15 kids on the team in that class class of like let's say 120 people right and i wrote a paper and she said i cited incorrectly so we had these breakout classes um you know of the 120 there'd be like six breakout classes of 20. so my class of 20 uh let's say 15 it was like 3 4. so 15 of the kids didn't cite it exactly how she said 14 of them got to rewrite the paper not me so i said okay i'm gonna go see her at her hours right so at cal we we had practice at two o'clock so you had to be up top at the football facility at two o'clock so i told my quarterback coach i'm gonna be late this day i gotta go to this teacher's hours which start at two o'clock so i went to her office and she was ready for me she had my paper out i said like i'm not asking for a special privilege here but the other 14 kids who got who got an f on the paper got the rear of the paper and i didn't and she ripped me apart you are entitled athlete you expect things to be given to you what are you going to do with your life i said i'm not playing the nfl she said no way in hell no way no you won't make it you'll get hurt you'll never make it whoa you will
need your education and you will never make it and what i've seen from you is you won't amount to anything oh my god and i said watch me what a terrible thing to say so kid big props to that uh food appreciation teacher at cal for trying to trying to ruin you know my life and my dreams and you just gave me some ammo but what a just irresponsible way to communicate with someone who's young and there's their whole life ahead of them but then again that's part of the problem is that people don't have their whole life ahead of them anymore and then they see people coming up and they they get upset they're they're upset by people that they deemed to be privileged are they deemed to have a better place in life than they had the craziest thing is i was probably the best athlete student in that class and the one was actually trying to take it seriously so she did she specifically singled you out just because you're an athlete and didn't allow you to so she wanted the best the best part is so i so i'm late to my qb meeting and i have a meeting after practice a day with the liaison he was i don't know what his exact title was but he was lays on between the players and the school basically and i said hey look here's what happened i went in this office i told the whole story i'm you know i was trying to get the same treatment as the other 14 kids who got to rewrite the paper and she kind of ripped my ass and and was a little derogatory i didn't think that was you know fair or appropriate they brought some heat down on her so she had a vendetta against me at the end of the semester she wrote up a three-page paper trying to get me expelled from campus i had to go in front of the judicial affairs board at cal in like some like kangaroo court and ended up having to write it was two options one expulsion or two i could write an apology letter to this teacher she like made up all this great said i was late to class every day i was
disruptive i literally was on time every day set in the middle of the row and was probably one of the only football players actually taking notes and paying attention so she just lied yeah wow maybe she had a thing with football players i don't know just that's it's so sad that there's people like that out there that but that's social isn't that social media to an extent now yeah people who are upset and bitter and and want to be offended by something and so they'll do anything to like make themselves feel better if i can put somebody down if i can rip somebody apart if i can find somebody offended about and then yeah away we go that's that old expression right hurt people hurt people yeah she's a damaged lady and she decided to take it out on you took it out on the wrong person though i bet you took it out on a lot of people that were the right person she's probably pretty effective with those tactics it's like hey lady yeah you're teaching a [ __ ] food appreciation class what do you learn in food appreciation yeah is it just like appreciation of different culinary styles like what are you what are you learning i couldn't tell you nothing stuck with me except her attitude yeah that's unfortunate man that's uh there's a lot of people like that and some of them uh they ruin lives and some of them they they just give people fuel they give people anger and determination to prove that person wrong yeah but the [ __ ] part is like you said for me it made me just work that much harder because i'm like another person that i can prove wrong yeah but for people not as mentally tough or he's more easily offended or hurt by something like that i mean it's possible like you said that she could have you know been detrimental to other people why because you have some tiny position of power yeah and you have some sort of vendetta against what the world that you're
teaching the food appreciation class yeah the power that's the big one right the fact that she had that ability that is so intoxicating for people when they they have control over folks let's talk about power talk about the head of a homeowners association homeowners association hoa oh yeah people that run those things like just i was in i was in a hoa years ago and and i was trying to get a fence built behind my house because there was like a runny trail behind it and i like my privacy and i went to this meeting and the guy in front of me poor guy he had to paint five different colors on his garage of the color you wanted to paint his house and had to have people from the community come by and vote on it oh my god come by this was the second month that he had came by and this 80 year old woman who has just an ounce of power in the community who's running the hoa goes i'm sorry sir you don't have enough votes you got to come back next month this [ __ ] guy's just trying to paint his you know his [ __ ] house and he's got like you know it's five shades of like between tan and brown you know it's all the same goddamn color oh god man that's hilarious yeah the i've i've seen people get very upset about that in fact this community that i lived in there was a homeowners association dispute and then somebody poisoned the dogs of people that were running the homeowners association so like two different dogs got poisoned and uh they never figured out who did it they don't know what happened but this person whoever it was killed people's dogs because they didn't like the way they were being treated by the homeowners association yeah man [ __ ] some people need conflict in their life you know and that you know and and being told what to do by someone in the homeowners association that's so [ __ ] oh yeah yeah it's a strange thing man power power is a a weird weird weapon that people wield you know they and they really enjoy it
when when you know you're the the boss of an office building or you're the the person that gets to tell a student that they they can't rewrite their paper they there's people that get off on that [ __ ] it's the most intoxicating drug i think probably yeah there's some other ones though that are pretty interesting these other ones yeah some of sometimes they mix them sometimes they're on one when they're they're getting the natural one from telling you what to do yeah it's it's awful but again there's always those stories right there's always those stories of people that try to hold someone back and it doesn't work and then you get to tell people about it it's great yeah but they're thankful for it yeah right there's people in your life that yeah their shitty attitude gives you fuel yeah and it also it's a lesson to never behave that way you know not that you ever would but it's like a real affirmation of that yeah it doesn't take a whole lot to show a little bit of kindness no it's great for you too that's what people need to understand they think that by being kind you're just being good to that person at the detriment of yourself or at the ex at your own expense but no it's the opposite it's actually selfish to be nice because it feels great yeah to be kind and generous it feels great it's amazing it's nice it's the best yeah nothing wrong with it except it's just people need to learn that they you know there's so many examples that they see that they at least they think that is what's happening where this mean shitty person who tells everybody what to do and is a dictator that person gets ahead so they think that they have to be like that yeah you know that's uh that has always been the hollywood way right that's like ari gold from entourage you know you you succeed by telling everybody to [ __ ] off and yell at everybody and kick them out and and i think there's a lot of people that like want to get to that place where they could do that to people well they have to listen everybody has to kiss my ass that's what that's what's glorified in tv shows and movies right is that is that archetype of the you know the don't give a [ __ ] leader who yeah gets everybody to do exactly
what he wants them to do or she wants them to do it's like there's other ways of maybe living and doing things yeah there are but not if you have shitty employees then there's that problem this is people that don't want to listen and they're not good and you have to crack the whip and then then i think over time it becomes easier to be that sort of shitty dictator than it is to have like this sort of balanced nuanced approach to people and communicate with them and try to help them do better you can't just fire those people you should [Laughter] yeah you should probably just fire those people and you're gone and then you get sued you know i mean this day and age people decide you singled them out because of their sexual orientation or the way they look or what part of the world they're from and it's like it's a strange time it's a time of a lot of information a lot of communication but also a lot of chaos it's got to be a reset though i feel like this there's got to be uh rebalancing at some point i feel like it's happening yeah yeah i mean also i just think people are fed up i think there's a large percentage of the population that realized that a lot of the behavior that you're seeing people exhibit and a lot of the the the chaos of this online mob culture it's negative it's not it's not helpful and maybe they've been through it or know someone has been through it or maybe they even participated in they feel terrible and they don't they don't want it anymore i hope so for like comedy yeah you know and and what it's the attack on on comedy and college campus safe spaces and yeah that's where i worry about it because i remember i was talking years ago like back 2014 2015 we were we're mocking these stories that are coming out of colleges and the way people are behaving and the just the the general the rules of of discourse the way they were limiting the way people communicate about things and i was saying that i think this is a real
problem people say well why do you care about that this has nothing to do with you you know you're a middle-aged comedian this is not gonna affect your life i'm like that's gonna those guys are gonna graduate these people that have this attitude are gonna graduate and then they're gonna infect corporations then it's gonna spread and that's exactly what happened yeah and you know i wasn't the only one that was thinking this either there was a lot of people that were sort of sounding the alarm early on you know some of the funniest ones were uh peter bogosian helen pluckrose and james lindsey they uh put together these grievance studies these fake studies and one was a homoerotic behavior and rape culture in dog parks so they put together these and they got awards for these studies and one of them was fat bodybuilding they yeah they put together a fat bodybuilding study and these studies were peer reviewed and they they they got applause for these things and and praise and then you know they all got in trouble when it turned out that these these were fake studies but they were trying to highlight a real problem with nonsense ridiculous coddling and nonsense of terrible ideas and that these these ideologies were not objective or they're not rational and they were trying to express that and they did it through humor and people were very very upset they got duped and uh even then i remember people saying like why do you care i'm like what do you mean why do i care this is gonna it's gonna spread i have children they're gonna go to these schools they're gonna they're gonna learn this stuff like this is not good and you think it's changing you think it's i think so i don't think it's changing that much in colleges in colleges i think it's probably doubling down yeah i think colleges are going to be the that's the real breeding ground for those sort of mental diseases so what what has to change do you think people stopped going to college i don't know no i think um well now they got their loans paid for so yeah well they only got 10 000 bucks worth it was a [ __ ] weird gesture well they didn't have much
money left after they sent all that money ukraine so again yeah and to hire 87 000 irs agents and arm them yeah that was one of the best things about the ad when they were calling out for people that you might have to use lethal force like since when does a [ __ ] irs agent shoot people like aren't you just supposed to collect money like why are you shooting people why is that in the job description i don't know if you if you remember this maybe jamie can look it up so he verifies this but i believe a few years ago when there was an ammo shortage there was conversation around uh the fact that kind of bizarrely the government and and i believe at the time the irs had bought up something like over a billion or a couple billion rounds of ammunition i remember thinking at the time maybe it's tsa as well we're thinking what but i feel like irs what do they need ammunition for that's kind of strange right yeah yeah i don't know why the irs would need ammunition unless there's some person who won't pay taxes and hold up gop wants answers on irs's 700 000 ammo stockpile seven hundred thousand dollars ammo stockpile as dems okay eighty billion for agency enforcement and this is in august of 2020. i'm talking about this just a week five six seven years ago uh well this is just a week ago yeah yeah it's a lot of ammo for what isn't it a bunch of cpas and yeah they like to be strapped yeah just in case someone comes for the files i would imagine there would be a situation where someone was a criminal and they were hiding their taxes and the irs agents were in danger because they were going to target the irs agent that was investigating their case i could imagine that but i think that would be a rare thing and you would involve but their national law enforcement that's right they're not a law enforcement irs isn't right unless they're under that i mean are they technically law enforcement what is the what's the technical technical definition of irs it's not law
enforcement is it i guess so right kind of revenue service responsible for collecting taxes and administering their internal revenue code the main body of the federal statutory tax law strapped so strapped looking like john wick showing up at your house looking for that extra two thousand dollars i mean it all comes down to glorified revenue collectors i mean that's that's what unfortunately that's what they turned a lot of police officers into too you see all these you know these um speed traps and traffic stops and all that i mean they're just they're glorified revenue collectors in some places yeah how does that change you know how does that get better how do we flip that well i mean anarchists their solution is that i mean i saw michael malus actually talking about this the other day and he was making some very good points and he was saying that there's no accountability when it comes to the police in that they if they were a private institution they would have accountability like it was a private institution that was hired to take care of things they would be able to say hey you've done a terrible job of enforcing crime look at all this crime like what justifies your pay you've done a terrible job of this you've uh you know you've confiscated resources from people and not returned them you owe them that you know that was one of the things they were doing in the south i forgot yeah it was a couple couple states were doing it where they would pull you over and if so like say if you were on your way to go buy a car and you had 25 000 uh in a bag they would just confiscate that money and then you would have to prove even if you had a job like you say look i make a hundred thousand dollars a year i saved up 25 grand i'm gonna go buy this 69 camaro no no we take that money and then no you have to prove
that so you have to wait in court and then you have to somehow or another get a court order to give you that money back and i think a large percentage of that money was never returned and so it would go against your vehicle and then sell your vehicle yes yes and you would have to prove all these things that you weren't just i mean just it's just cash like meanwhile if you have the exact same amount in the bank oh you're a good guy you saved up your money you're probably frugal you know look at it he's got all this money in the bank great they didn't but how long before that happens like why do you have all this money in the bank right yeah you know well you have twenty five thousand dollars in the bank well we're going to freeze that money until we investigate how you acquired 25 000 i mean all these different draconian measures that they use to make their life easier in their life more more convenient and and certainly enrich the coffers of these states and their their budgets that that all would be eliminated if they were accountable and if there was like some sort of a privatized version of the police he was making a very interesting argument about it that i'd never really considered before and uh you know i don't know if that's the solution but something i don't think private prisons are the solution that's definitely not the solution no that's definitely not the solution that is that's incentivizing people to create ways where people are doing something illegal and that's what we found when when you look into uh marijuana legalization one of the biggest propo or opponents of marijuana legalization was prison guard unions prison guard unions wanted no part of that because that's going to have less people in prison so there's going to be less jobs for prison guards which is [ __ ] wild so you're basically using people as a battery to generate money you're basically using human beings and you're coming up with reasons to lock them up and put them in a cage and that generates revenue for your company and you're actively trying to make sure that laws stay in place that are unjust because those laws as they
are now are profitable for you you know we were um reading about this case of this guy who uh he was selling pot to an undercover cop he sold on four different occasions he sold pot to an undercover cop and when you add up all the amount of pot that he sold it was about an ounce and they put him in jail for 15 years and this is in phoenix which is where marijuana is now legal so this guy is in jail in phoenix for 15 years for selling something that you can now buy at a store is he out now no they denied his clemency because of his past record which is i think is really ridiculous because if someone gets arrested and they do something and they get out in my mind they did their time this is a person that was punished for whatever crime you can't apply this other crime that they've already been punished for to some new crime that in my eyes shouldn't be a crime at all especially violent crimes no it's that's a large percentage of the people that are in jail in this country that's why the hypocrisy about the griner situation was so egregious in this country where kamala harris is talking about how horrible it is that brittany grinders in jail you put she's in jail yeah you did thousands of people in jail for marijuana yeah it's crazy hello yeah and they were that was like the student loan debt forgiveness that's great but how come you guys didn't exonerate people that were in jail for marijuana when you said you were going to they said that they were going to make marijuana federally legal they said they were going to exonerate prisoners who were in jail for non-violent drug offenses that's what they said none of that has happened you mean a politician said something they ran on and then didn't actually enact that said policy i know it's crazy it rarely happens but occasionally you catch them [Laughter] yeah it's just i'll tell you what gets me and i don't you know really want to
dwell too much on the kova stuff anymore but one thing that's that really sticks with me when you're talking about things that the government could do to make people's lives better is you know i'm 38 people that you know around my age i grew up with went to high school with college with a lot of them are in that age group now where people are starting their own business they've worked in corporate maybe they figure out what exactly i do they start their own small business and small business is the backbone of america right and how many thousands and thousands of thousands of small businesses closed and never opened again restaurants bars establishments like that because of covert right and safety you know started us two weeks to flatten the curve and then went to lockdowns yeah in places like chico california where i'm from where there were multiple stretches of time where there were zero cases in the entire city of 80 000 or hardly any you know less than 100 and you got small businesses in a small town college town that could not open their doors and many of the establishments that i went to in high school and college and going back and visiting never open again yeah some of my favorite restaurants in l.a are gone i think at one point in time l.a had lost 75 percent of its restaurants which is insane it's insanity's it's so hard to run a restaurant already you know and so what are they going to do for those those people yeah what nothing nothing nothing yeah nothing and no accountability no accountability for these decisions that show no there was no science john hopkins comes out of the study talking about these lockdowns into more detriment than than good yeah you know and and they're not the only you know research place that's done these these type of studies but but are they gonna go back and reverse and they say oh oh tough
[ __ ] sorry because i think on one level it's really one of two extremes right either they really thought they were doing the right thing or there's some coordinated plan maybe it's somewhere in the middle i don't think there's a coordinated plan i think people were trying i'm just saying what people think right well i have a friend and his brother works for the covid response whatever it is in california and you remember when they had made a decision to close outdoor dining and it turned out that one of the people that made that decision the day she did it went out and was dining outdoors i thought you meant gavin newsom going oh yeah yeah that was fun um this was a different one but uh he had a statement he was like with what they were talking he said well dude what evidence is there that it spread in outdoor dining and she said it's about optics so this was a decision that this politician had decided to make this bureaucrat decided to make to show that they're doing something because the numbers had gone up so we're going to start stop outdoor dining which showed zero transmission there was no cases they were connecting to outdoor dining especially in the early days of code i think they've they've since revised that with omicron apparently is so contagious and some of the new strains are more contagious and they think there may be some instances of uh outdoor spread but that was not the case back then joe they closed the beaches in california yeah they closed the beaches yeah where i live in california and all along the coast oh yeah remember that one guy who was getting arrested by the coast guard because he was a parasailing or something no he was uh surfing yeah he was surfing a coast guard you're out there by yourself yeah on a surfboard they're supposed to be stopping terrorists passing kova to the dolphins or what come on what are we doing it's so dumb but you know i hope there's lessons learned in this because this is a new
thing we had never had this before no you know no one who was alive today had ever experienced a true pandemic and i'm hoping that now that this is over people are going to you know recognize that some serious errors were made and not repeat those that's the best you can get out of it but as far as compensation for all those people that were forced to close their businesses and keep their doors shuttered and lost everything that they'd worked for decades to build no they're they're just going to be angry so what do you tell those people vote republican that's what a lot of them are going to do anyway yeah yeah oh yeah i mean more than a million people transferred over to the republican party uh i think in 2021 alone find out what that number is but you know you look at guys like ron desantis who kept florida open and had some pretty reasonable policies in terms of like what what to do about covet and you know he mapped it out on television he was you know widely criticized for this where he was saying like we need to protect our elders we need to you know make sure that medical care is available for those people and everyone else you should be able to do whatever you want to do protect your freedom isn't that the point though i think to learn from this is yeah here it is more than one million voters switched the gop raising alarms for democrats [ __ ] you think a political shift is beginning to hold across the u.s as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the democratic party's gains in recent years of becoming republicans more than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched the republican party over the last years and that's registered that's registering as a that that means you could vote in the primary right but joe biden's the most popular president in history yeah he's the best i mean there's no one better he's best at talking he's best at walking upstairs good hand shaker he's good at riding bikes he shakes hands with ghosts i mean uh he's not a fan of mine i don't think no no did he say anything about it
he would one thing he was in wisconsin for a rally he said tell your quarterback be vaccinated i remember there was uh there was some crisis that was going on and i remember oh it was a hurricane that was coming i said the best thing you could do is get vaccines that's not right it's like what end of quote jesus christ buddy you've seen him on the prompter when he said yes repeat the quote yeah yeah end of sentence repeat the quote yeah democrats got everything how do we go from obama to this yeah well even obama said it like obama was famously quoted as saying you know joe has an amazing capacity to [ __ ] things up i mean he was a dumb guy when he was okay he's he's never a bright guy i mean he's very well known as a liar like there's there's all these videos of him lying about his education record lying about so many different accomplishments that he's achieved in his life he was always a [ __ ] artist and not just a [ __ ] artist but like a liar like a flat out liar i graduated at the top of my class no no you didn't how would you not know that how do you not know you didn't graduate at the top of your class you definitely didn't you know why are you saying that did somebody hit you over the head and tell you that like what the [ __ ] are you talking about and the fact that he was do you know we used to have joe biden night at stitch's comedy club in boston because he got caught plagiarizing so he got caught plagiarizing when he was running for president in 1988 so in 1988 we had joe biden night where uh like you would do my act and i would do your act we would all plagiarize each other it was for fun just for comedians and people would come by and watch that's wild that's how well known he was of being alive that's what 34 years ago yeah yeah but you know what they just i think they counted on people's ability to ignore negative press and also the
polarization in this country because people hated donald trump so bad that trump represented an opposition that had to be stopped and so this was an established democrat he'd been around for years and we could probably win with him it turns out they were right but see that's the problem of politics is is you know now it swings because you know you got weekend at bernie's up there is you know trying to read the prompter and then some you know republican steps up and he's going to change the country and get us back to you know america first and whatever the hell slogan it's going to be and then four years later it's gonna swing back the other way that that's that's why i always say politics is a shame man i don't well definitely is that if you always say that you're right yeah it is because people are like you're you know you're a right-wing anti-vaxxer flat earther and i'm like politics is [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah okay left right i do like obama i played golf with him i do like um a very very uh uh interesting guy the best president in my lifetime for sure he was the most statesmanlike the most articulate he was the most reasonable and and measured and he just he embodied in my mind what i would like to represent the united states when the world sees the united states let's have this super educated clear-minded just really smooth talker together very nice get together plays basketball see how good he is at basketball yeah i mean good golfer too was he yeah did you win did you beat him yeah i had one of the rounds in my life yeah exactly i played good i burned the first two holes oh no that was that was a highlight for sure that's nice yeah cool story let me just tell you this this one cool story so in 2010 uh we played the washington redskins at the time and one of our receivers knew a secret service agent and got us a white house tour so we went to dc and got a tour and mr president came back on that
saturday from actually around the gulf and they shuddered us into the side room hey you know you can't see the president you gotta you know you know get out of the way and he actually came he heard we were there and he came and met all of us in 2010 which is so cool and then we played golf in 2016 at the his last year in office and at the end of the round he was like how you guys getting back and i was with um uh mark kelly who's now the senator in arizona and uh we're like oh we just ubered out here he's like yeah right back with with uh with me in the motorcade i was like [ __ ] yes sweet so we ride back in the motorcade which is the wild experience like nine cars one of them's like you know got the you know codes in it or something i think oh boy we get back in the white house and we walk in and mr president goes this is just like the first day we met and i was like how [ __ ] cool is that this dude i met him six years ago on this same thing you know like on a saturday after a golf round and he's like yeah this is like the first time we met wow he's like that's so cool that's pretty good to just be be like that present and and aware and then me and mark kelly who flew the space shuttle three times before his brother spent a year in space i think he'd spent the most time in space walked out of the front door of the white house onto pennsylvania avenue wow that was cool experience that's pretty dope yeah well he was the best we had to offer in terms of like what represented but you know still there was a lot of people that didn't appreciate him you know he experienced a lot of racism he experienced a lot of uh unjust hate i remember when fox news was criticizing him because he wore a tan suit yeah he can't do that his beautiful suit it's got to be the wrong color it's got to be blue and it's got to be a red tie or a blue tie right that's it that's all you got they're like the homeowner's
association of politics like what the [ __ ] is wrong with this suit it's not going to make you're not going to make anybody happy man no yeah well that's what no one that's why no one wants that job because no matter what no matter who you are what you represent someone's going to decide that you're evil there's someone's going to even if they don't believe it there's going to be some pundit some you know radio politics personality that's going to talk all kinds of crazy [ __ ] about you and make up stories about you and i feel like the last 10 years it's really don't you feel that both sides the extremes have gotten farther apart like i feel like for a while it was maybe the right had kind of been more extreme than the left but i feel like now both sides there's a real extreme wing to to both sides and there's even a greater divide between the two parties yes yeah i think that's in part due to the reaction of trump you know to trump himself the way he carries himself i mean he's a you know he's that guy that got famous from saying you're fired he got famous and he got all this press from you know all these crazy statements that he would make and they would give him all this press and that's what helped get him elected but it also just made someone people so angry yeah i remember we had an end of the world podcast that we did on uh this on 2016 during the election so we did this live podcast from the uh comedy store and uh i remember we went into the bar after it was all over and we watched cnn and we were watching like jake tapper and all these people like so depressed yeah they were so angry and so just it was so visibly obvious that these are not objective journalists that are just talking about this thing that happened but they had a very clear mandate and they had a very clear role that they were playing and that role was that we are the people that oppose this terrible thing that has just happened where we have legally elected because of people's opinions this person who more than half the person or more at
least the electoral college votes more than half had decided should be the president so the people had chosen and they were like the people are wrong it was wild it was wild to see because i was like this is interesting because it's like this is one of the clearest examples of it's just they're not objective these these are not journalists these are not people that are just reporting on actual facts they had to have this opinion this dour face and everyone was very upset very upset which i mean i get a i understand it if you're not a journalist i understand if you're just a person and you were a person who thought hillary clinton should be president and then you saw this guy win you're like what the [ __ ] but you're not just a person you're a [ __ ] journalist you know and your job is to tell people what's happening but that's not that's not journalism anymore it's sensationalism it's you have 10 words on an espn front page to to try and denote what a story is about to tell you and how do i get the most clicks on this article just written yeah i better make it the craziest [ __ ] headlines possible yeah just because if you click on that and you're on the page for one second that counts as a page view but what they didn't understand i think they recognize now that there's new leadership at cnn was that that diminishes the public's trust cnn pus doesn't exist anymore it was a great idea uh but unfortunately they lost 300 million dollars in 10 days and so they pulled the plug so weird because i thought it was going to take off yeah i mean who wouldn't want to pay for something that no one watches for free what a [ __ ] genius idea i would like to have been in the meeting with those people and just sit down and go hey guys look i know you and i don't see eye to eye on things but unless you want to lose a lot of [ __ ] money this is a terrible idea if you want to make cnn plus free and then you should be a consultant build up advertising revenue ultimately and eventually yeah but i think the
people that are running cnn now are pretty wise that's why they got rid of brian stelter and everybody else is on the chopping block because they recognize like that this is bad for their o their bottom line that you you can't have people lose all faith and trust that you're objective and the editorializing that they were doing is so piss-poor you have these dorks these people without good social skills and they're not interesting and they're not likable and they're the ones that are telling you what you should think that's crazy people don't like that and so cnn recognizes that now and now they've started to you know get rid of those people and they want to put in old-school objective journalists that are just talking about the facts cause that's what cnn should be well they need trump back what else are they gonna talk about well there's plenty of things to talk about the problem is that was their business model that was look these independent people when you look at like uh breaking points with crystal and sauger and jimmy dore and all these other people that have these independent political shows that are objective they give their opinions i mean they certainly editorialize but they're independent because we know they're independent we know at least if i agree or disagree or like or dislike at least i know that that's coming from this person when you would hear these other people talk you would say like you are giving a specif you've been given a specific mandate whether it's from the producers or the executives or whatever your organization has a very specific slant and you're ignoring reality in order to push this slant and then when people find out that they ignored reality or they find out that this this information is biased and that you've excluded stuff that's contrary to your opinion then people lose trust in it and then the the ratings drop off radically they built this [ __ ] entire business unfortunately during the 2016 election on talking about what an [ __ ] trump was they made that [ __ ] president i mean it's a real argument backfire it's a terrible backfire but that's what
he's great at you know he's great at using the media and manipulating him in that way and making them talk about them yeah fake news have you seen jamie foxx's impression it's incredible holy [ __ ] go to jamie foxx i thought this [ __ ] shane gillis had a good trump impression yeah jamie foxx is the most [ __ ] talented guy that's ever lived i agree he's so goddamn justin timberlake's up there as well yeah but he can't do this he can't do stand up let me let me see this he's a great person he couldn't vote for me at the time now he can vote for me once he gets out i love snoop deal double cheek great person sure do you love death excuse me excuse me excuse me fake news i love it what's your favorite death row record mr trump all of excuse me excuse me fake news [Laughter] they tried to give me the virus [Laughter] his [ __ ] impressions are incredible yeah but i think that you know that's part of the problem is that like what he just said with all the dummies yeah finally the dummies have a leader like he he he hit a very specific frequency i'm not saying that all the people that supported trump are dummies but i'm saying that all the dummies supported trump there's a sp that's not true either because there's a lot of dummies on the left yeah but these dummies on the right the the ones that just like want a very [ __ ] clean specific three-word narrative and they you know keep america great again you know like that those people boy he found their [ __ ] vibration and he's clung to it and he's now that he realized but now that we all realize that that's possible and they've woken up this you know group of people that were previously not politically active it becomes an issue yeah i agree but i don't believe that systems can change until you create alternate systems like systems just don't just change from the inside you know unless uh having a two-party system is one of the craziest [ __ ] things ever when you
have three how many people live in the states 300 and i think 30 right 330 million and you can really only back one of two parties yes no third party can independence ever going to win the only one that had a chance was ron paul if ron paul went independent because ross perot did it i mean ron paul was a republican but i think that if you had like a guy like that that was saying things that resonated with a large swath of people and he decided to go independent but ross perot did that you know when i was a kid ross perot was running for president and he took he took the election from from bush senior and that's how clinton won because a lot of people that would have voted for clinton where they were thinking that he made more sense because he took out an entire block of time on network television he that's how wealthy he was he's like uh you know nbc i'm gonna buy you out for an hour and he just went on television and explained how the federal reserve work and the tax codes work and all this he's like here's how you're getting [ __ ] and he did it on television and that was that was terrifying to people and they actually changed the you know the the standards for debates they raised the amount of votes that you had to get to participate in so you couldn't have a third party you could have a guy come in and [ __ ] up their rigged game they have a rigged game the rick game is these enormous special interest groups they put money into both candidates which is wild and they fund their campaigns and they figure out who's going to win and then when that person wins then they get in there and then they make sure that they have undue influence on all sorts of things that affect regular people in a negative way i don't think they carry wins as long as exactly as long as they get what they want that's the hustle that's the old bill hicks joke and it's and it's both sides bill hicks used to have the joe well i think the puppet on the left is more to my liking well i support the puppet on the right and then hey wait a minute there's one guy holding both puppets yeah yeah go to bed america we've got you care we got you covered and that's that's the reality of our political process and the
only way you're gonna do that is to take money out of politics and good [ __ ] luck with that that's one of those things it's like once you got herpes you've got herpes you can take val tricks you can do whatever you got to do but you've got herpes kid i hate to tell you this is what our country is i mean our political process has vd you know and i don't know how to get it out i don't know how i mean look 300 years ago they started another country because they're like look where we're at it's [ __ ] we're getting screwed over let's start this experiment in self-government that became the united states and you know clearly by people that had an understanding of where human nature can go wrong and they put all these checks and balances in place and they separated powers and they they did it in a way that they hoped would be you know preparing this country for the future in a way that it would be for the people by the people and you know it was a good idea it was a brilliant amazing idea at the time unprecedented nothing like it and it spawned the greatest superpower the world's ever known the most creative force the world has ever known i mean the the influence that united states culture has had on the rest of the world is really like nothing else i mean it's [ __ ] wild if you think about the music that's come out of here the comedy the films the the sports the [ __ ] that's come out of the united states is bananas and it it came out in many ways because of the freedom that people were given by the constitution the bill of rights yeah which doesn't exist in most countries anywhere no anywhere close to it well that's unfortunately what a lot of people find out when they decide to go against the united states and then they wind up getting arrested like brittany griner did in in russia and you realize oh there's places that are [ __ ] way worse you don't get a fair trial you don't you don't get and you treat it you get treated like a political pawn
and you know that's that's where we're at right now look there's a lot of problems in this country there's a lot of problems with any group of human beings especially when those groups get enormous there's no way you're going to have a group of 333 million people where everybody agrees on everything and everybody gets along great it doesn't work that way that's not how human beings are the people find conflict there's people that create conflict it benefits them their business is conflict so you're always going to have conflict unless everybody takes mushrooms that would help a lot that would help a lot isn't it funny that that it sounds like a crazy thing to say but that literally would fix the world if more people had psychedelic trips and more people had an experience that dissolved their ego and more people had a an understanding that community isn't just simply a bunch of people that live together it's a bunch of people that care about each other and that we could treat the world like a community that could be done it could be done in small groups of people and it could be done in large groups of people and again you're not going to resolve all conflict you're always going to have conflict not no chance but at least there's power a shift in the way people view each other and think about things yeah i couldn't agree anymore but how much psychedelic use is in the nfl how many guys are using psychedelics oh i don't know i mean i talked recently about my own ayahuasca journey um and everybody has an ayahuasca journey by the way it's always a journey yeah i'm on an ayahuasca what do you call it ceremony no that's even worse yeah plant medicine is where it gets squirrely um but you've done ayahuasca i have not i've only done dmt okay i've done dmt i've done mushrooms i've done lsd i've done mdma is that it i think that's it no i've done salvia and i think that's it um by far the most powerful was dmt by far it was bizarrely powerful where like uh i feel like uh there was me and
then there's me after dmt like a totally different person i feel the same way about me and then me after ayahuasca [Music] but since i talked about it on aubrey's podcast it's been really interesting to see the people reaching out like across the league and there's been a lot of people outside the league and and you know entertainers sports people you know just friends from the past um people to work at the facility you know just the nine to five people all interested in in you know plant medicine it's been yeah it's been really interesting i think there's a there's a hunger for for what i experience what you talked about in mushrooms is this like death of the ego yeah this like realization that we're all connected yeah this greater sense of like what community is and i think i don't know if you've experienced in your dmt journeys and mushrooms but when you dissolve the ego the amount of love that you can give back to yourself and then other people it it takes away for me so much judgment of myself and others so much separation between myself and others the the greater sense of connection was overwhelming when i kind of came out of that and got back to like reality or whatever is like oh [ __ ] like now here's the integration like yeah here's me in a different form you know here's my reflection that i see of myself and you yeah and we're all [ __ ] connected in a such a deeper way and it's just you know doing a plant that's been used for generations yeah you know in the amazon jungles um and i got the same feeling on mushrooms as well i mean it was just just an incredible connection to nature and life and all sentient beings and all plants and fungi and [Music] and just the like
you know of my previous self i feel like the you know the anger and bitterness and resentment and negativity that i'd kind of like standard walk around with it wasn't like a super high level but i felt like coming out of those experiences it's like that [ __ ] don't even matter yeah like kindness matters yeah connection matters matters a lot like being present with people having conversations like yeah putting your [ __ ] technology away and like connecting with somebody and like seeing them because i think on a deep level we all just want to be seen and understood yes you know and that's why social media is such a platform because everybody's [ __ ] look at me yeah this is my opinion yeah right and it [ __ ] matters yeah right yeah i get it i see it for sure but let's just realize we're all the same the thing about the social media interactions though is that it happens in isolation like you're alone and you're putting something out there and then the other people alone when they're receiving it and that's why they can be so cruel and shitty is because they're not looking at you and seeing you like most of the things that people say on social media they would never say to someone's face even if they were bigger and stronger than that person they wouldn't say because it feels terrible to say shitty things to people it's a it's an interesting thing that happens when you recognize that a lot of uh the way we react with each other is based on insecurity we put on these we put up these armored walls between us and the rest of the world and you have this thought that you know [ __ ] everybody and everybody's [ __ ] me over and [ __ ] them and then you do something like dmt or mushrooms or ayahuasca and you recognize oh that's not that's nonsense like that not only is that nonsense that's bad for me that's bad for everyone it's bad for everyone i come in contact with it's unnecessary and then you realize the source of it all it's just fear it's just fear and insecurity yeah and that
was so profound to me like this recognition of what the problems that the ego presents and that these problems this ego first of all was not designed to live in a society like this our bodies were not designed to live in these neighborhoods of millions and millions of people this is not normal and we don't know how to deal with that and so we come up with more walls and and more insecurity and more more you know more defensiveness and that this is this is bad for everyone and the solution to that is to expose people to these things and allow them to recognize the flaws and the patterns of behavior that they've been following their whole life but the more people that get exposed to that the more that's going to be a normal narrative and that people are going to understand that you're just a person you're not a bad person you might have made bad choices but you're just a person we're all human beings seeing people in jail for violent crimes they're just people they're people that got on terrible paths and they don't realize that we're all connected yeah i uh i wish that there was a way where more people could be exposed to it because i really think it would change perspective 100 and and it's changed radically in my lifetime it's changed radically because you've been talking about this for a long time yeah yeah it changed radically over the last couple of decades that i've been exposed to it i think the first time i did dmt was early 2000s and i remember well the first time i did mushrooms it was early 2000s as well but at first the first mushrooms were amazing and it was it was beautiful but dmt i always describe as mushrooms times a million plus aliens it was the encounter of uh entities that was so mind-blowing that this thing that like there might be some sort of some sort of disembodied consciousness that exists in some realm that you can access within 15 seconds that just the thought that that's a real
thing ayahuasca is opposed to dmt ayahuasca is for people don't know what we're talking about is a uh oral version of dmt it's dmt is broken down in the gut by something called monoamine oxidase and what ayahuasca is is uh one plant that contains dimethyltryptamine and another plant that contains an mao inhibitor harmine and you combine the two of those together and it produces this orally active version of dmt that's a much longer experience but typically it's not as intense as the smoked dmt when you smoke it it's like right into your bloodstream and it's short though right yeah shorter but you just do it again afterwards it just i mean you come out of it in like 15 or 20 minutes and you want to go right back in it's um so profound and it changes everything it changes everything it changes changes how you think of reality it changes your your way the way you interface with other people it changes how you think about yourself you know all your stupid ideas of who you are and all your ego and nonsense it all just gets blown out blown to bits and i feel like that purpose matters less right all those insecurities and fears and what it doesn't mean you give less [ __ ] about life i think it actually just changes what you give a [ __ ] about yeah connecting and loving people and and spreading positivity and kindness and there's churches that use ayahuasca you know i had dr rick strassman on the podcast recently and he talked about these churches that have uh an exemption by the supreme court in order to use it for religious purposes and there's one of them that is like uh there's two different ones you remember the names of them jamie there's two different churches one of them seems a lot more fun they sing songs and they and they they have these ecstatic dances and so they do their their dmt but they're both christian-based churches really yeah and they uh one of them is from brazil i believe they might be both from brazil
which obviously has a long history of use of psychedelic medicines but that these people have these incredible communities that they've based around the entire flock participating in these psychedelic rituals like that's really what a church probably started out as if you read uh the sacred mushroom in the cross which is john mark i was just talking to a buddy actually last night about this book it's an amazing book that i believe i'm not sure if this is true but let's find out i believe it was bought out by the catholic church i have two copies of the original printing of the sacred mushroom and the cross and it's a [ __ ] phenomenal book because it's written by this guy john marco allegro who is a biblical scholar and a linguist and he was also an ordained minister but through studying religion he became agnostic and he was like i think these are all these they share these stories like where what's the root of these stories so he was hired to decipher the dead sea scrolls and for 14 years they painstakingly deciphered this which i believe was the first version of the bible that they encountered that was in aramaic and this was uh they found these scrolls in qumran which is uh in israel where they found these these caves and inside these caves they found these ceramic pots that had these scrolls in them and it was so painstaking that they had to do dna samples on the scrolls because these scrolls are made in animal skins that's how old they are and they took these scrolls and they had to match up the dna with a specific cow that was on the each so they knew that these strands were from this one cow so let's put all these together and figure out how they put how they piece together so they do all this and then they analyze the the language and then they decipher it his interpretation after 14 years of study was that the entire christian religion was a giant misunderstanding and the original version of it was all about fertility cults and psychedelic mushrooms and
particularly in his eye it was a lot of it was about the amanita muscaria which is a very misunderstood and very confusing mushroom because i've done that before too it didn't really do much i could i mean but they think that it might have been seasonal they think it might have varied genetically and geographically and that it did different compounds in it in different places but this is the mushroom that's connected to santa claus this is the mushroom that looks like santa claus it's a red mushroom with white dots on it and the original santa claus which is a great myth yeah yeah it's wild because the original santa claus the the myth was that santa claus was a shaman yeah and he would come down through the chimney the reindeer pissed yeah yeah yeah and they would yeah it's it's all of it is connected because the reindeer eat amanita muscaria mushrooms and then they would they would actually like knock people over trying to get to their piss because they would smell the amanita muscaria in their piss and these people that did this ritual they would eat their amino mescaria and then they would drink their own piss because there was the psychedelic compounds were in the piss which is how'd they figure that out [Laughter] but this book was um fine is that true that it was i think the catholic church bought it out and then it was uh republished i believe about a decade ago it was definitely republished i can't find anything that says it was bought out they banned it yeah and it was banned by the publisher and that guy was fired from his job but i can't see anything about them buying it he also bought he wrote a second book that was widely available because of that and that that is called um psychedelic mushrooms in the christian myth think of something something about the christian myth what is the other john marco allegro book he had two books something in the christian myth dead sea scrolls in the christian myth yeah
and that was his interpretation now this is a convoluted complicated argument because you really have to understand ancient languages you have to be able to decipher them and read them and know the etymology of the words but he traced back the word christ to an ancient sumerian word that was a mushroom covered in god semen and so the idea was that when it rained things would grow out of the ground so this was god i mean you have to realize that we're talking about people that live thousands and thousands of years ago these people they fertility was very important having children was very important there was never this concept of like there's too many people there was like everyone's dying it was very easy to lose a child like child mortality was very high infant mortality was very high it was hard to stay alive there was very little medicine no one understood anything so these people had this idea that when it rained it was god giving giving life to the world and that rain was god's semen and if you've ever been in a place that has mushrooms when it rains you wake up in the morning and there's mushrooms everywhere mushrooms that weren't there before they grow so quickly a mushroom as big as this coffee cup could appear overnight which is really crazy so these people it would rain and then in the morning they would find these mushrooms and they would eat them and they would [ __ ] trip balls right could you imagine being one of the first people that discovered psychedelic mushrooms and you're you're eating them and then they wanted to hide these stories from the conquering romans and from all these other empires that were invading them and so they hid them in allegories and in myths and this was his take on the bible is that all these stories were translated over and over again from you know aramaic and and ancient hebrew to latin and greek and english and then so much was lost in the translation
that doesn't really fly very well in the christian church of today i don't think well it does if you go to that one that's from brazil that takes psychedelics they're probably like yeah yeah that's exactly what it is i was talking to a teammate of mine last night about that and he's never heard of it and he's like hardcore christian it's kind of crazy to me i'm like yeah yeah it does but well the very least you have to understand that if if the bible is the word of god it has been interpreted by people right and people are biased and people uh they have reasons to withhold information or to encounter control sure i mean martin luther was almost killed because he translated the bible into a phonetic language that people could read and understand and he wanted people to interpret the bible themselves they wanted to kill him it was only because of his political connections and that he stayed alive but knowledge is power yeah well especially back then i mean jesus christ i mean if you were a priest back then you were a rock star i mean that was original most people couldn't read yes exactly exactly and so they were they had to rely on these other people to tell them what the god wanted god forbid you make it easier for people to understand god forbid perfect choice awards yeah when did you uh first have what was your first psychedelic experience i had mushrooms years ago out in nature on the beach and had this magical experience where i felt like i merged with the ocean um and had never done psychedelics before that always been interested actually watching your podcast years ago and hearing you talk about it got me like aware of that i mean growing up in a very strict religious culture anything outside of like the straight and narrow it was a major sin and a no-no you know but for me being a little rebellious like i was like that sounds kind of fun though you know like like some of these things people are
doing the hippies seem like they had a pretty good time doing a bunch of lsd and stuff that sounds pretty cool right and you know how many people died for mushrooms thousands zero yeah i know i mean someone probably did mushrooms and thought they could fly that was an another bill hicks bit yeah it was like young tragedy young man on acid thought he could fly jumped off a roof how many people what are you trying to do on marijuana zero oh really crazy yeah wow are they crazy but again i'm sure people have lost their minds i actually had alex berenson on the podcast yesterday who wrote a book called tell your children he he was on to talk about kovid and you know he actually got reinstated by twitter because he didn't want it in court yes everything he said turned out to be true yeah all the things that he was saying the things they banned him for those other guys back on well what other people got banned wasn't uh peter mccullough was knee banned i do not know if he was banned was he banned i don't know i do not know i believe roberto is still on he's still maybe he's banned they might have banned them they might have banned them all look they were banning people for contributing to vaccine hesitancy i mean they were they were taking this hard hard-line stance because they thought they were right a lot they didn't know man and this is this is a big part of it it's not like this is vast conspiracy by these people a lot of these people were ideologically captured they really thought that they were doing the right thing that this was the the good thing to do they just were incorrect and they they had these assertions they had these facts they had these this data that they were getting from the government they had this data they were getting from fauchi and the nih and the cdc and they thought they were doing the right thing and that's why they did these things i think i'd stole a line from either yourself uh or somebody out on that i said at one point but science that can't be questions isn't science anymore it's propaganda right and that was my problem with the whole thing is science is propagated by peer review
yes and you have an idea and then giving it to your colleagues or of a study group or an institution and then having them review it yeah and figure out did your [ __ ] make any sense or there's some holes in it yeah right but there wasn't any questioning of the information that was put out well it was it wasn't allowed there was questioning but it wasn't allowed yes you're automatically put into anti-vaxxer flat earth crazy white right-wing conspiracy theorist that's what i said when i made that video to neil young when neil young was getting all his music removed from spotify because i was promoting misinformation i said what you say is misinformation today is not going to be misinformation in the future you have to understand that and i was saying how they were saying there was misinformation well the things that you were getting kicked off of social media platforms initially you were saying that masks don't work or saying that the vaccine uh might uh won't stop trying to stop transmission or by saying that the virus came from a lab all those things would get you kicked off of social media initially those have all been proven to be true not only well not the the vex not the various coming from a lab that's just most people believe it to be true assumed yeah it's it's like a large swath of scientific communities behind that now and including newsweek it was on the cover of newsweek this lab leak theory which is not i mean it's the most plausible scenario there's not a of an animal host they haven't shown that there's an animal host that could give it to people this is not that's not propaganda that's not fake that's not pseudoscience this is just what they know all those things we get you kicked off social media now they're widely understood to be true so this is one of the things that i said when i made that video that these people that you're talking about one of them dr robert malone he holds nine patents for the creation of mrna vaccine technology he was a part of the creation of mrna vaccines he took the mrna vaccine and had a horrible reaction and almost died and then you have peter mccullough peter
mccullough is the most published physician in history in his field this is a guy with rock solid credentials who initially was telling people to take the vaccine and then he was experiencing all these patients that were coming in with these diseases and these illnesses that they'd acquired he believed from the vaccine and there was no ability to discuss this and no ability to ascertain if that was the fact you were you you had to follow a very specific narrative but that's not science no no that's propaganda one of the things that we learned from john abramson when he came in here and he was talking to us about the you know he was a doctor who had worked to litigate against uh pharmaceutical companies when they had produced um that he was part of the vioxx thing and some other medications he said that when a pharmaceutical company creates a product and they do studies when someone peer reviews the data they don't peer review the raw data they peer review the studies that the pharmaceutical companies has given them which is [ __ ] crazy that is so crazy that's like saying like you say if you're guilty of something and you say well let me give you the evidence that i have you know my evidence that i've reviewed myself and this is why i feel like i'm innocent i'm going to show you my evidence like and the cops be like [ __ ] you let me see your phone did you text the drug dealer let me see did you plot a murder let me see your [ __ ] email is it as crazy as like the fda getting 51 percent of their budget from the pharmaceutical company fees that's pretty crazy you can fact check me on that but i believe that's is that true yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't be shocked i mean the the basically pain to get their product approved well and how about the cdc uh stopping the distribution of uh covid vaccine booster data from people 18 to 49 because they said it would contribute to vaccine hesitancy how about pfizer asking to wait 75 years to release their data and then 55 years that's
that's wild like let's wait until after we're dead just for the compliance yeah yeah and my thing is like at a bare minimum right at a bare minimum it should just make you pause and go even if you say i'm not i'm not a conspiracy theorist i'm not any of these things irrational to me in his opinion a rational thinking human would just be like hmm hold on a second this is kind of [ __ ] weird when it comes to pharmaceutical companies it's like that old story of the scorpion and the frog you know the scorpion is hitches a ride with the frog and the frog's like hey man don't sting me because you're stinging we're gonna drown and the scorpion stings them the frog is like what the [ __ ] and scorpion says hey it's my nature yeah and that's their [ __ ] nature i mean this is what they've always done if you expect them to make some moral right angle turn towards being just completely selfless and not concerned at all about profits and only looking for the greater good of humanity well you're you're looking at the wrong people that's not what they do what they do is they have a responsibility to their shareholders they have a responsibility to the the corporate management and their that responsibility is to make the most amount of money possible and that's they're going to do that and they're going to do it by hook or by crook they're going to weasel they're going to like hide data they're going to manipulate data and they've been accused of that rightly so all through all through this whole thing but they have billions of spending they spend billions on brought to you by pfizer anderson cooper brought to you by pfizer yeah it's it's it's so obvious and so wild and and if you discuss it amongst many people that have like a shallow understanding of this topic they will immediately roll their eyes and say oh look at aaron this crazy [ __ ] hippie [ __ ] football player thinks he's gonna educate me well i watch msnbc and i have
the data keith olbermann says you're an [ __ ] [Laughter] it's [ __ ] amazing it's amazing you know i've had some people that also um were very pro-vaccine very anti all these different things and then got really badly sick and were very conflicted and didn't know what to do they got really bad i know people that got really badly sick from covid post vaccinated and i know some people that got really badly sick from the vaccine itself and they were very conflicted and some of them just kept their mouth shut stopped talking and and and some of them even publicly said i would still take it again i think overall the the good is good i mean my heart's [ __ ] now but you know it's better better for everybody and that's one of those things if you say publicly you're getting a certain amount of love it's like a virtue signal that i was willing to so much of that i mean put one mask on two masks on sure you know i'm doing my partner yeah look it's still kind of a free country so you can do whatever the hell you want kind of yeah well a lot freer here here in texas yeah the difference between texas and california was so stark that when you know i came out here with my kids in may of 2020 they're like let's move here like immediately like just seeing people like going out to restaurants and seeing people on the lake playing like in california the beaches were [ __ ] illegal to go to yeah and here we're on a lake and and people are drinking and [ __ ] playing garth brooks music and jumping in the water and my kids were so confused they're like what is happening here like why is this so different and this is austin which is very progressive and very liberal yeah you go to the rest of texas they pretend that kova [ __ ] didn't exist at all south in general yeah yeah i mean and you know that's not good either because it is a real [ __ ] disease and if you you're not healthy and you're not covered you could get [ __ ] up by it i agree 100 but what what i was saying or trying to say was why is nothing else being talked about
as far as ways of uh combating this disease like eating better like exercising like vitamin d deficiency well even monoclonal antibodies suppress monoclonal antibodies which is wild they held on to what 500 million of them or something crazy something like that it's all of it was bad all of it was bad and it all of it is a lesson for people in the future that if something else happens again to be more skeptical and to understand the influences that are behind these decisions that politicians and and even you know quote-unquote health experts make they're being influenced by things other than just data and that's that's very important for people to understand that there's an enormous amount of money that's being spread around here and people have gotten obscenely wealthy because of this pandemic and they've got done so because they promoted a very specific narrative that they knew was going to be profitable for them even if it was detrimental for people even if it removed people's ability to choose what to do and not to do even if there was people that would not be adversely affected by that virus statistically because of their health their age they didn't give a [ __ ] you want to play football take this [ __ ] thing and i want you to do it publicly so that i can get more money out of those other people that are thinking about it and they're on the fence yeah and then we're going to virtue signal to say look how righteous our league is we have 95 percent compliance yes with the vaccine compliance and if you don't we're going to send a stooge to your team to show you graphs of your vaccination percentage of your team compared to the rest of the league which actually happened really yeah what was the stooge like oh i mopped the floor with them did you yeah see again that's why people like no one knew your vaccination status you lied to your teammates no no day three of training camp they sent this stooge in and and he showed these slides about what your vaccination percentage was in
your team where you compare the rest of the league and i started asking them questions about liability well i'm not a lawyer okay cool but you're in here talking about all these different things and you don't talk about anybody's personal health issues there's zero exemptions you took out religious exemptions you took you took out peg exemptions you took out anybody's ability to have an opinion no i don't want to do this well it's not only going to affect your uh day-to-day status on the team but your ability to get a job your ability to keep a job your ability to get a try out if you get cut from this team because you want to put a percentage above 90 percent of your team where you guys can have some sort of like special virtue like look how amazing we are we're above the 90 threshold here and then they scared teams and said if you had an outbreak caused by a non-vaccinated player you not only forfeit that game if you had enough players out but you wouldn't get paid for that week and here i am showing up to training camp joe the first day and we got five people who work for the organization out with covid all fully vexed and i got covered from a fully vast individual who only got vaxxed to keep his potential of being a part of the nfl do you how many people do you know that had vaccine injuries a few how bad um heart issues um and then like bizarre uh episodes that took him to the hospital as little as like weird uh eye issues that uh skin rashes um no covet toe but a bunch of other stuff what was covetous didn't they try to accuse you of having kobe do you hurt your foot i i i joked on the my weekly show on the pat mcafee show that uh uh i'd gotten well not joked but i'd gotten hurt i hurt myself when i had coveted um
working out around my house and because i had to be literally locked away for 10 days and they joked about how it was a you know an injury a coveted toe injury and in the wall street journal in there journalistic integrity wrote this article um about how i had lesions on my feet and that's that's what my injury was and it was caused by covid and then i showed my toe in an interview when i came back to work and it started this whole thing and what was it what was the extent of the injury i broke my toe yeah that was the extent just a normal injury yeah it's a you know fracture and the washington post did they contact wall street journal oh excuse me wall street journal i contact you no i mean no of course not but i asked for the guy's information and i had a phone conversation with him really yeah how'd that go it was very cordial did you ask him why did you publish 100 yeah yeah i mean i had my own uh assumptions that you know he was obviously trying to slam me because that was the flavor of the week and i was an easy target but i said have you ever watched me on the pat mcafee show i said do you understand my relationship with pat and aj who's my best friend on the show and the jokes that we have and the lightheartedness i said did you did you watch the episode at all because if you did you would know that they were making a joke about how i hurt my toe when i had coveted i said and also sidebar every probably assumption but i'm assuming this is probably true just about every beat writer that works for the that covers the packers right and national media that watch that show each week because they write stories about it not one writer wrote anything about covid toe no one [ __ ] you know was like oh let me look into what coveto is and maybe i can you know scoop this first and write an article about i said no one wrote
about it i said do you think you were like writing some you know uh groundbreaking you know breaking news story by saying kopita no you're trying to slam me i said i just want you to admit that you didn't watch the show i said and and and you're doing no no no no i i watched the whole episode i said i said have you seen any other episodes i said do you understand the rapport i have with these guys do you understand what uh uh you know [ __ ] around sarcasm so but i think overall is a cordial i mean i was you know he he took my call but i probably thought he was gonna get another story out of it what was his reason for publishing this false information he thought he was doing a justice to all the you know thousands of people affected by kovatel was but what is this no one had ever heard of kovato until that article came out i can promise you that yeah what is covet is that a real thing supposedly it's involved some sort of lesions on your feet but you never said you had lesions in your feet so why did he why did he publish that because it was the flavor of the week but did he did you ask him why did you publish that yeah and what did he say he thought he was reporting on a legitimate you know medical affliction sure he did [Laughter] did he publish any stories about people with vaccine injuries ah no those are legitimate medical afflictions should probably look into that that's not enough information on various i don't think well it's not just that right it's like there's no liability that's the real problem like it doesn't matter that goes back to the 80s yeah well with this stuff it was specific with this this particular medication this particular vaccine it was very specific that they were going to exempt them from any liability because of this emergency use authorization which is only granted i mean you know
these things yeah if there's no other therapeutic exactly exactly which is why they were so vehement in their opposition to anything else yeah yeah it's wild i mean i feel like that's not you know like you saying that me saying that last year like that's conspiracy right oh yeah yeah there's a lot of things that i mean i think there's a greater at least percentage of population that can go okay that's that's reality now yeah most people most people are saying that's reality now and there's a lot of people that feel duped and they might be quiet about it but they feel duped is it true that the that the because remember they championed that they had um they had got a vaccine that was fda approved right but that that actual vaccine didn't come out is that true well when gensake said these vaccines are approved by the fda which is the gold standard that was a lie they weren't approved it was this was not true they had an emergency use authorization they weren't approved but she was a propagandist i mean when she's working for the white house she's this person that you know answers questions and most of it the the hard questions were all by peter ducey on fox news he was like the only guy that was like like pushing back against her and she just [ __ ] flat out lied on not just one occasion multiple occasions i mean maybe they had a narrative that they told her maybe these are talking parts maybe that's her job but it's a weird job in the beginning right to begin with because it's a job where you're not even asking the president you're asking this white house press secretary yeah so there's a person you know and the only one that was good at the girl um mckennony what's her name kaylee mckinnony the one who worked for trump that lady was a [ __ ] assassin that lady had like binders with like footnotes and they would say some shield that's interesting because actually cnn said this and she would like quote it
back to them and stuff it in their face that lady's the best ever at that job she's the [ __ ] michael jordan of white house press secretaries she's a [ __ ] wizard she was great at it unfortunately she was working for trump so she didn't get any of the credit she deserved for you know being so good at that now they just read it out of the binder they don't even yeah now they just [ __ ] lie did you see the one lady that was on with don lemon don lemon who's chief propagandist for the [ __ ] cnn she's on with him and he's saying do you think that joe biden was too old to run in 2024 she's like why are we even asking this i can't even keep up with him that's what she said i can't keep up with him which i said like well you should go to a doctor because you've been [ __ ] poisoned yeah if you can't keep up with that guy that's a real problem he's dying in front of our eyes i mean if he dropped dead tonight no one would be shocked they can't i mean they can't put them back up can they yes yeah they can it depends on what kind of medications they get in between now and then whatever the [ __ ] they gave him during the second debate that's a good mixture i don't know if he can maintain that mixture because i i have a feeling that every cell in his body is like like re-entering orbit in the space shuttle like [ __ ] keep it together so let's live in that world for just like what would let's think about it because i fly about this before because i thought about like man he was pretty like you know on the ball what could they possibly have given him adderall for sure yeah if i was gonna do it what i would give him it was adderall i would give him testosterone i would i would i would have him on testosterone period anyway because he's that old i mean i would have them on you know peptides human growth hormones from orleans whose body produces more growth hormone i would have them on all sorts of nootropics i would have them on alpha brain i would have them on every [ __ ] thing that's available nero gum i would give everything that you can to enhance his memory acetylcholine all
these different things that we know through peer-reviewed data or that actually do help your memory right and then i would uh give them some sort of stimulant i would give them something that's maintainable something where he's not like out of his skin going crazy and you'd probably practice practice with low doses and i know they had practice debates and so they um he had his talking points dialed in and i would even give him an earpiece i'd give him something where we could give him data and tell him this and tell him that and don't say this and here's how i respond to that but i don't even know if that would be good because sometimes when people have things in their ear it confuses them it's hard to get used to like having people talk have you ever had someone talk in your ear while you're talking yeah it's difficult very hard i've had bad producers on shows and in the middle of a conversation you're they're talking in your 30 seconds to go out here yeah that's not that bad because that's like easy to ignore but get them to talk about this yes that's where it's hard like but you know they start giving you i had one time i was interviewing someone for the ufc i took it out of my ear i'm like shut the [ __ ] up like you're talking while i'm talking you idiot like don't do that you're ruining everything yeah they just but they don't understand that they don't understand that role they just want you to be a little robot for them and just do what you need to do but when you're talking to someone you're taking into account what they're thinking they're saying you're formulating your next question you're listening you're trying to interact with this person you can't talk and listen to the what their response is and also listen to what you're trying to tell me like well you need to get better at your job no no you need to shut the [ __ ] up that's what you need to do let me do it i know what i'm doing ufc how about that oozman crazy crazy that's the greatest come from behind head kick knockout ever it was over it was mom was dominating the last i watched again today i watched in the
gym today working out it's like [ __ ] it's crazy and we always knew leon edwards was really technical and really good but i just assumed that the the battle was lost it just it seemed first round he looked great he took him down for the first time well kobe covington should have gotten credit for a takedown in the second fight he did take usment down and usman's knees went to the ground and daniel cormier was angry that it wasn't registered as a takedown he goes that's two and you're talking to daniel cormier he was an olympic wrestler that's that's the expert that's who you should be going to when you decide whether or not something's to take down so i think they erroneously credited that with the first time that kamar usman's ever been taken down the ufc it was the second time but it was the most significant because not only did he take him down he took him down he mounted him and then he took his back and he was threatening with the rear naked choke it's big but then camaro was the champion he is took over and he won most of the remaining rounds and it looked like it was you know three rounds to one it almost looked like edwards had kind of resigned to the fact that he was gonna lose on a decision yeah that's what a lot of people were saying i mean um dean thomas actually who's uh the guy we go into in between rounds who's an expert coach he said he's broken you could see how he wasn't looking as his coaches in the eye and he looked dejected he goes he's meant does what it looks like when you're mentally broken and then he went out there and landed the greatest headphones for that in the history of the sport it was so perfect too it's so textbook but that's the thing about leon he's so technical the way he does things is so smooth and and so efficient and so it wasn't shocking that he could do that it was just shocking in the context of his performance up until that moment but the way he he he fainted with the right hand extended the left that forced usman's head to move off the center line and threw the kick at the same time it was [ __ ] magic you can teach someone the the reason why that techniques work
so well you couldn't teach them any better than than that that visual because um is moving away from the punch and wham the head kick comes what is this they were uh drilling this right before the fight really oh my goodness they go to something on video i guess oh my goodness jab away hook kick yes so they noticed that as he was moving he would move off to the right hand side wow that's incredible he'll circle and then go with the high kick wow this is that's incredible i mean it's perfect greatest head kick knockout ever and i don't think there's a close second in terms of you could say holly holm versus ronda rousey but holly holm was winning that fight it's a totally different experience holly holm was avoiding rhonda she avoided the clinch she avoided the takedowns she was dominating her on the feet ronda was already beaten up by the time that holly landed a head kick rhonda was getting [ __ ] up that was a rough night for ronda rousey fans very rough right very very rough night but great night for holly holm fans yeah i was but this is different this was a fight where it was a come from behind he was down three rounds to one he won the first round he lost the next three and to land that head kick in a fight like that was [ __ ] wild especially when you consider like leon hadn't fought in so long he had gotten there had been so many problems you know he was scheduled to fight tyron woodley in england that fight got cancelled because of the pandemic and there was all these setbacks but we had always known that he was one of the very best in the division and he's this like dark horse this guy that people maybe in the general public weren't really aware of you know everybody's aware of the big stars and he was just like super talented guy that had only lost one time in the ufc and that was to us early in his career and that was when he didn't know how to wrestle so the big one of the big victories was him taking usman down the first round and showing
him hey [ __ ] i'm a real martial artist i'm not just a striker anymore i'm a fully well-rounded martial artist yeah pretty impressive i love you and uh you and daniel's reactions oh my god it was crazy it's so crazy yeah i mean how do you not react that way like when that happened i mean everyone behind us had the same reaction yeah there's a video of tony hinchcliffe who was right behind me and uh when the head kick lands he stands up and puts his arms in here and he goes oh my god that's everybody's reaction was like oh my god because when you think that's one of the beautiful things about mma that is different than any other sport in that like or boxing too is that you could come from behind with one move one thing and it changes everything and shuts it all off it's so final but you just haven't seen that in boxing or emma or ufc i would say in a while right where somebody's been getting beat up you know that's what i love about the the tyson fury deante wilder fights is because you just knew at any point didn't matter who was ahead one punch from any of these guys and it'd be [ __ ] over right but ufc you just don't see that a whole lot where a guy's getting his ass whooped and then comes back and well it's a credit to leon that he was able to do that but also credit to leon that he really didn't absorb a lot of punishment in that fight he wasn't busted up he wasn't he didn't have his eyes swollen yes he hadn't been concussed and rocked it was he was losing but he wasn't getting beat up he wasn't getting like tortured he was still very fresh in the fifth round which is also credit to his conditioning you know that he was able to fight that kind of a grueling fight and still be fast enough in utah yeah as well because some of the other fights oh yeah multiple fighters were really i mean poor luke you know it wasn't conditioning wise but there were other in the prelims yeah people were really tiring out in the second and third rounds of three-round fights sure both these dudes use them on as well yeah look really fresh in the fifth round well usman lives and and well trains at least uh in colorado yeah so he's
training at altitude which is great um but there's two there's arguments about that too there's one of the arguments is that the best method to do is actually to sleep at altitude but to train at sea level really yeah because they it's about how much output you can put out and that if you're training at sea level you are able to put in more work so you have more output so your your heart you're you're able to condition your body better and then you recover at altitude so in your sleep time rest time then your body acclimates and produces more red blood cells which enhances your endurance but you're still getting in more work interesting yeah that's the general consensus now as they think that it's better to sleep at altitude so people have these um altitude tents hyperbaric stuff no it's a it's an altitude tent it's a tent that you sleep in and so what it is is like you are in this diminished oxygen environment while you're sleeping that's like it what a mile or ten thousand feet yeah it's something like 10 000 feet yeah and i know bj penn used those when he was fighting and some other folks have used those but leon used that throughout his camp so even when leon was training in england before he came over to america to to uh to prepare for the final leg of his training he was sleeping in an altitude tent worked out it worked out yeah wild yeah and they're gonna have a rematch if they do have a rematch it'll be in england and so covington won't get get edwards or i don't know because um a head kick like that takes a long time to recover from and that's something that really needs to be discussed because um his ability to absorb punishment may be you know because of that kind of a knockout when you get knocked unconscious like freddie roach wouldn't let manny pacquiao do anything for like a year he wouldn't let him fight he wouldn't let him train he wouldn't let him spar he he was like you need to take a long time off after juan manuel marquez knocked him out with that one punch that kind of ko when you're flatlined when you're flatlined by a massive blow
like a [ __ ] head kick which is the most powerful blow that you can throw in mma you know that can that could affect you and it affects different people in different ways there's all sorts of different variables that have to be taken into consideration you know was it just a flash knockout um is is he going to be fine in a couple of months or is it something that he you know we don't know what kind of repercussions health-wise that's going to have on him some guys they lose their chin like overnight one knockout like that and they're never the same again hopefully not for camaro he's yeah he's a lot of fun to watch oh he's awesome he's awesome i mean he's in my opinion before that fight he was the greatest welterweight of all time if you look at the quality of his competition and the way he dominated them he he didn't just have like close fights with people he was smashing them and he did that all the way up to his title run and you know he did that while he held the title and one [ __ ] kick changed everything there's some fun fights coming up oh yeah man yeah there's some good ones out of sonia's fighting that's a good one pejera is a dangerous man yeah that's just coming back yeah he's fighting hamza which is crazy i know that guys yeah yeah that guy's intense yeah yeah there's some great fights but diaz is one of those ones and i'm a fight fan but it's a no-brainer you know there's just a few guys it doesn't matter what you're doing you always make sure you tune in yeah yeah it's like right with conor it was like that with floyd mayweather even though it wasn't that's why i really shipped it from 11 boxing to 11 mma in the ufc just because it's so much more definitive in the mma world and but connor and the diaz brothers and otasanya up until maybe the last couple fights where they you know haven't been as exciting i would say but i would say there's a reason for that is that ahsanya is smart like the guy he fought in his last fight jared cannon here everybody's like well you didn't do enough he just coasted in one like no he was fighting one of the most [ __ ] dangerous guys alive at 185 pounds jared
cannonier is a [ __ ] monster he's so dangerous he's so powerful and he's so big he fought at heavyweight and then he fought at light heavyweight and he makes 185 by the skin of his teeth and then weighs what 205 on fight night easily he's massive well do you know that pejera uh alex the guy who uh is gonna fight style bender next he weighed 229 when he fought last what yes so he weighed in at 185 and then he was 229 on fight day how is that even possible science that's a wild cut i don't know there's a no i love style photo of them oh [ __ ] he's he's so technical he's the most technical guy in the sport in history in terms of striking no one's even close to him he's so good but look that's the difference so what do you say so he cut 47 pounds so that's him fight day on the right and that's him weigh in so 99 kilograms what is that what's 99 kilograms 220. just underneath so he weighed 220. yeah so 47 [ __ ] pounds that is bonkers to go from 85 to whatever that is yeah 100 kilos is 220 so it's that's incredible [ __ ] incredible but that's what they're doing you know and that's the the most uh avoidable aspect of mma i think is the weight cutting and i think it's a real problem so what do you do to change it they need to do hydration tests they need to have more weight classes because right now there's only eight weight classes so there's some some big jumps and one of the big jumps is 85 to 25 or 265. yeah 205 rather and then 205 to 265. those are the big jumps so 85 to 205 that's 20 [ __ ] pounds that's so much weight there's nothing like that in boxing in boxing you have guys that are fighting at 147 and then you have guys that are fighting at 154 and then you have guys that are fighting at 160. that's so reasonable six pound weight class differences are very reasonable and then it goes to 68 that's reasonable you know then it goes 68 to 75 also reasonable these these make sense seven pound gap six pound gaps the 20 pound gaps that they have in mma
are nuts and then how about the [ __ ] 65 or 60 pound gap from 205 to heavyweight that's crazy it's too big it's too much and the way these guys are depleting their body and destroying their body to make weight you can only do that so many times guys start getting kidney damage they start getting kidney stones and develop all sorts of issues with their organs it's just not good and it's avoidable it's totally avoidable if you just structured the weight classes and and ran hydration tests to make sure that guys are competing in a weight class that is actually their frame that actually fits them that can be done make it happen nobody wants to listen to me man i brought it up with the powers of bait there's a lot of things that i bring up that they go yeah no we can't but they could and unfortunately i think it's going to take a tragedy and you know we've had people die overseas i've seen people on death's door i remember when travis luter fought anderson silva he he missed weight but i was there while he was trying to make weight so he missed weight and then they gave him a certain allotted amount of time to try to make weight again afterwards to see if the fight can still go on i watched him shuffle because he couldn't walk so he was shuffling to the way to the to the scale his lips were cracked and like like you could see like blood in his lips because he was so dehydrated there was no water he had dried himself out to death's door like if he had to fight that right then at that moment he would not have been able to go one round he was so exhausted and then the next day he lost and he looked exhausted when he lost he wound up losing by submission he got caught in a triangle got hit with elbows and and tapped out but it was more the weight class or the weight cut than it was anything else you know you could say that's on him because he didn't do it correctly look you know usman is big for the weight class too so is leon edwards they both made the weight fined and then they rehydrated it can be done but it's not
it's avoidable it's an avoidable part of mma that i think should really be addressed and i think it's also cheating i think it's it's sanctioned cheating you know you're not 180 you're not you're pretending you're pretending you're fighting at 185 pounds you're fighting at 220 that's what you are you're 220. you just dry yourself out to 185 for the briefest amount of time possible you hop on the scale early and then they scientifically rehydrate you up to a healthy level to dehydrate yourself to the point of literally on death's door 24 hours before a [ __ ] cage fight is crazy you wouldn't go out and party 24 hours before a cage fight you wouldn't do any of the things that could deplete your body the same way dehydration does but yet we allow it and not only do we allow it we expect it it's dumb it's dumb and it's avoidable and it's one of the biggest dangers in the sport there's a company called one fc that apparently have some sort of hydration um policy and they they change like people that were competing at lower weight classes are now competing in higher weight classes they move stuff around but they've addressed it and they've addressed it in a way that seems to work for their organization and i'm sure there's some [ __ ] involved and some shenanigans involved but way less than we have in the ufc we'd like to see him be be preemptive instead of yes reactive yes proactive instead of reactive it happened in our league you know forever my rookie year you know day one through day 14 is double days you know two practices a day yeah and how did that change somebody died and then it was two and one and two and one and two and one and then there were some college kids that died and then they went oh you can't ever do double days in a row anymore and no are they heat stroke are they dying from exhaustion both yeah yeah and there was you know there was some maybe genetic issues going on but at the root there was not the right nutrition and hydration
policies or education involved to allow these guys to recover and and what was going on only got changed when there was a tragedy do you think that's because they are trying to instill mental toughness and just condition them to just some extreme level by doing this and that this was like this old school kind of thought yeah it was you know it was and some coaches have still said it they were you know how do you build callous if you don't you know put them through hell yeah and it's like work smarter not longer yeah efficiency over time well i have a thought on that too is that i mean i think you can make people mentally tougher but i think at the elite levels of competition everyone's mentally tough yeah and that's not the issue and i've seen people fight over trained you know i saw tim kennedy went through two camps in a row because one fight got cancelled they went right into another camp and then he went out finding kelvin gaslum and he was gassed out like almost immediately which that [ __ ] guy has a gas tank as big as the ocean he's never had a gas that's like one of his biggest strengths is his [ __ ] relentless pace but his body was just failing him because it had never gotten the adequate rest in recovery well i mean i think for a lot of the older mindset older coaches that that's not part of it yeah rest recovery hydration proper eating habits yeah how that affects performance it never came into effect you know it's like no we're going to grind you and see what your limit is yeah yeah and the ones that can make it through they're going to make the team the freaking [ __ ] out of here yeah but that's just thankfully that's not the way we do it anymore but nothing ever has to be they've had to change a lot of things in the nfl right i mean uh concussions yeah now people realize what an issue that is i mean when you first started playing football how much talk was there about cte and concussion yeah you know you get dinged in the head
you see stars and get back out there yeah yeah now there's much better policies in place and awareness around it um and you know probably as much attention as could possibly be to any type of head injury that happens we have independent people you know uh spotters who can pull people out of games uh who might have got dinged up we have multiple independent medical personnel whose main job is to watch for head injuries now which is great and and the recovery process to actually get back on the field is way more difficult you've got to pass a number of different tests it's all slotted on a day-to-day basis it really sets up that you you're not gonna be able to come back the next week what protocols do they have for recovery like so if somebody gets dinked they get concussed what what do they do to try to help them recover well i don't think that part is maybe where it needs to be yet it's it's more go home and rest really yeah so they don't have any modalities they don't have any therapies they don't have anything that they do hyperbaric chambers nothing not not in green bay really and i would say not in probably most places there's no there's i think in any business i'm not just going to sing about the nfl but there is an aversion to a new way of doing things always and i think until they see other people doing it and having success maybe it's always going to be met with no this is how we do things we've always done it a certain way that's how we're going to do things now there's education that comes up and and conversations and we further it but but it's not like hey you got a concussion okay you're going to hyperbaric for you know days one through three and do light therapy in this day and do you know and take you know this on this whatever it might be there's there's not and what's what tests do they do on
people to make sure that they have recovered cognitive testing there's balance testing [Music] there's multiple cognitive tests and then a balance test and it's all you know compared to your baseline that you do at the beginning of every season when you hear about guys like jim mcmahon that are suffering really badly now does this give you pause do you i mean yeah for sure and i know jim and i'm definitely friendly with jim i you know enjoy being around him he plays in the same golf tournament i do in tahoe he's played every year it's ever been on and and i've talked to him about about his his issues and and heard him talk about it as well and it definitely gives me pause that's why i'm always you know doing research on my own about stuff that people have done joe namath has talked a lot about um you know his use of hyperbaric chambers actually and healing uh some of the gray matter that has been associated with traumatic brain injuries but you know cte has been linked to a number of uh suicides that we've had from former players um and it's it's a real thing i i really do think it's it's an issue the nfl i think is doing a lot to to combat it now thankfully with the standardization of the helmets that we use is way different than it used to be i mean there is a very high standard and testing process that goes into that they've tried to police uh the you know the helmet to helmet hits that we've had there's way more protection for players that carry the ball there's protection of all sorts for any type of helmet to helmet contact you can't erase any of it and some of it honestly is the draw to the sport is the violent nature of it but i think all of us realize the risks that were that were taken i mean you should you play in a contact sport um and there's things that uh you know to look into and uh to think about when you're playing and when you're done
playing to make sure your cognitive function is still there and you're you're you know lesser at risk to some of the effects of cte well you're a very proactive guy so i'm sure you have kept abreast of all of your your own impacts how many times do you think you've been concussed let's see i've had three uh concussions i believe one two three yeah i've had three concussions where i've uh come out of games in my playing time um and obviously taken a number of other hits to the head that you know didn't classify as as concussions but um [Music] the the last one i had was in 2018 and i got kind of clotheslined and i went over and sat on the bench and was like oh man i kind of dinged up a little bit but felt like i wasn't i was i was okay and then and then just came on and my vision just went like you know and took myself out of the game and that one kind of scared me to be honest uh because it uh it didn't feel like i was concussed didn't feel like i was it felt like kind of a normal shot almost and then it just came on and i you know basically was losing my vision and that's when it gets scary so that's when i really started looking into some of the things that people were writing about and researching on on um traumatic brain injuries and and end up getting a hyperbaric chamber and and um and and felt like uh those dives have really uh really helped me and and then you know taking out for brains awesome too yeah um i saw this uh article really recently about brett favre where he's talking about how he's had somewhere around a thousand concussions
that might be exaggeration might be well he played in 350 games so that's like three a game i think he's talking about his whole life oh so life yeah yeah i mean what does it say here uh he said more than a thousand it's what we know now is concussions happen all the time say believe he's only suffered three concussions his career he's now up that estimate to more than a thousand well i i do know that for sure you know when when he started playing i believe in 91 the protocol was you got dinged i just take a little break shake it off and get back out there right well that's how it always wasn't sparring yeah i've seen guys get knocked out in the gym and then they're sparring 10 minutes later which is and that's when multiple concussions can happen yeah because because once you get dinged the first time the next hit doesn't have to be on the same anywhere on the same level to to have a you know a brain a brain issue so he says what we know now is concussions happen all the time farv said you get tackled your head hits the turf you see flashes of light a ring in your ears but you're able to play based on that thousands so it had to be because every time my head hit the turf there was ringing or stars going flash bulbs but i was still able to play yeah yeah i mean if if every time you get tackled that could be a concussion like play then probably a lot for all of us yeah have you found anything that's like deteriorating or would that be the end for you that would be the end for sure yeah i mean my my life after football is going to last a lot longer i hope than my life in the game this is my 18th season and i'd like to that's a lot of seasons i'd like to think i got you know more than 18 years it's kind of amazing that you've done that i mean uh you think the average nfl player what is the average time playing about three years wow is there a sport like that i don't know i mean i don't think there's another sport like that no i mean the turnover it's just it's a young man's game you know although
tom has kind of rewritten some of that in playing what 24 years back in again yeah uh but they don't kind of make them like that at all i feel fortunate to be still playing at 18 years but um but you learn how to take care of your body and and avoid i mean tom has avoided i think you know big shots most of his career had one knee injury and other than that he's been fairly healthy most of his career and not really had any any concussive uh issues and i've been able to stay relatively healthy as well in my career but but yeah it's a young man's game and that's the fun part is is the the battle against time and the battle against uh age and the battle against the young guys trying to take your spot you said you've had some uh knee injuries before right yeah what what was the extent of those uh i've had multiple cartilage issues two clean outs had a acl reconstruction in college and then just a lot of you know issues around that nerve issues arthritic issues uh bursa inflammation and then in 2015 after that season i got cleaned up and i said it's time to get serious about my diet and i cut out a lot of [ __ ] from my diet you know hurtful to many wisconsinites but i i really cut out dairy and she probably shouldn't say that out loud i've said it before did they get upset they did yeah they said i was you know anti-midwesterner [Laughter] but when i did that and i and i really limited gluten as well i i haven't had knee issues knee issues since uh january 2016. really so you think and that was since 1999 that 17 years of knee issues cleanup and a change in diet and nothing lasts six years as far as inflammation goes i had a a fracture on my knee in uh 2018 but nothing uh inflammation related that's incredible yeah that's really amazing that it's a the diet had that much of an impact
especially when you consider the amount of abuse that your your needs would take playing football yeah it's been a total game changer for me but diet has a big effect on uh more than just inflammation in your knees yeah really does yeah personality yeah yeah there's a big effect on your immune system a big effect on just overall pain in the way you feel yep it's kind of amazing how bad most food is for you most of it's not real it's not real it's not good for you filled with preservatives and you know genetically modified to stay on the shelf longer fake meat oh that stuff that stuff's hilarious especially the vegetable fake meat they keep trying to sell that [ __ ] nobody wants it the stock has crumbled that uh because everybody was like beyond meat this is our way out of this like uh-uh that's that's a way to more health problems that shit's terrible did you ever see like the rat profiles when they serve rats they develop all these [ __ ] liver problems they serve from that fake [ __ ] how'd that information get out i don't know see we find out what that study was there was some study about rats and um the uh ingredients in these fake meats it's not it's it's it's processed seed oils you want if you want to eat vegetarian eat vegetables yeah don't be eating some [ __ ] fake nonsense that it's designed to make it look like a [ __ ] cheeseburger you're not eating a cheeseburger bruh but don't eat a bunch of [ __ ] sprayed with life yeah yeah that's the crazy one the recent discovery that some the percentages are insane yeah it was like 96 percent of corn or some [ __ ] and like 100 percent of soybeans or some [ __ ] yeah has glyphosate residue yeah and people are saying oh it's a tiny amount of parts per million no big deal what are you talking about where's the where's the [ __ ] long-term data on tiny parts per million of a [ __ ] toxic chemical being ingested by people not being problematic you show me that before you're because there's so many people that are co-opted by these companies and then they'll immediately be the expert
that comes on to calm people down after this oh you need to look at the actual data we're talking about the most minuscule amounts yeah well everything is going to kill you yeah so why worry about that what's the big deal yeah glyphosate scares the [ __ ] out of me because it's so it's everywhere it's like there's so many [ __ ] things that are sprayed with it and you know if you wanna that's the thing about monoclop monocrop agriculture you wanna be able to have ten thousand acres of corn boy that's a lot of [ __ ] plants you have to kill you gotta kill a lot of other stuff that wants to grow there and that stuff that they spray on the plants to kill the other stuff that shit's in your body now and they did uh blood tests on people and they they found that it was some ungodly percentage i forget what the number was that microplastics yeah that's another one not good yeah yeah you need a credit card size pl worst case scenario credit card size piece of plastic every week that can't be good no yeah i don't think so well it's just the worst of it is what's happening to uh people uh in development like people uh if when a woman's pregnant she's her body is exposed to large amount of phthalates they uh these phthalates they uh reduce the size of a man's testicles and penis they damage the reproductive organs of a woman women are way more likely to get miscarriages if you look at the advent of petrochemicals there's a book called countdown by dr shanna swann who was also on the podcast i think she's from harvard but she uh wrote this breakdown of the introduction of phthalates and phthalates are these chemicals that exist in plastics and they use mammal studies to show what happens in mammals and one of the things that shows is that their taints shrink because the taints of male mammals are between 50 and 100 larger than female mammals but with the introduction while they're in the womb to phthalates in the females bloodstream the male taints shrink and they've shown a radical decrease in the size of taints
the radical decrease and this is in humans decreasing the size of penises and testicles and then a big uptick in miscarriages for females and they they believe that all of these are about these chemicals that are now in our diets it's destroying the reproductive systems of people it's lowering sperm counts in a radical way it's very very scary stuff and it's like it's almost unavoidable at this point because i don't believe that these studies were released i think they figured this out somewhere in like the 2010s and so we have like 10 years of this data and maybe even less where they're they're sort of working out like what are the implications and what's actually happening to people yeah we're [ __ ] we're [ __ ] or not i mean maybe they'll figure it out and someone will i have hope i have hope too the roundup [ __ ] scares me almost more than anything because so much of that what do we got here plant-based impossible okay tests conducted by moms across america found the impossible burger tested positive for residues of glyphosate the levels of glyphosate detected in the impossible burger by health research institute laboratories were 11 times higher than the non-gmo project verified beyond burger but was there something about rats can't find it yeah i said it was like a rat that's that's a title of the same page so like a rat feeding study oh damn it would it say rat feeding stuff just the headline of this okay rat feeding study suggests that impossible burger may not be safe to eat great now you tell me yeah well there's a lot to consider but uh you know i hope people at least because of this information will make better choices that's the hope and you know organic foods definitely a better choice and you know
also limit your amount of [ __ ] [ __ ] in your diet drink more water drink more water what a radical idea yeah how about that yeah probably good for you start with that take some vitamins and electrolytes get out in the sun get out there actually get out of nature get off there's some way don't eat cheeseburgers as much yeah boom get off your phone live your life thanks buddy hey my pleasure brother thanks for being here it was a lot of fun it's great to hang out yeah we'll do this again sometime all right bye everybody [Music] [Applause] you