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[Music] by night do you ever find yourself with the desire to welcome the cross yeah I've got some some genuine Realtree Crocs for when I'm out I'm out in the stand you know so I know guys who use those as Camp shoes they like to walk around camping them because you're wearing heavy boots in the mountains yeah well they're nice to yeah they're nice to kind of keep with you as a spare you know you soak your boots or you're just kind of going out of the house real quick yeah Brian Simpson now has Crocs and Stage Crocs so before Brian Simpson goes on stage he takes off his walk around Crocs and he puts on his pristine stage Crocs it's hilarious it's so funny he used to do it with sneakers he used to walk around with Crocs then he would wear sneakers on stage and then he went from Crocs to Stage Crocs yeah well hey maybe I'll look in it I need to get some new boots my boots are like like these are my these are the ones I always wear and uh they're we're walking through the airport yesterday and they're like literally one of the souls is falling off I'm like I gotta figure out something you gotta get them resold man they're authentic yeah these are my genuine you know people pay for those I thought about it I was joking with my buddy the other day I had I went and changed my oil at his house uh before we drove to North Carolina and uh I left the empty juggle or the 30 oil sitting in his garage and I was like I'll get it whatever he said not man he said I'm selling that on eBay that's Oliver Anthony's authentic uh used motor oil I was trying to get 20 bucks for that yeah there's a lot of people that definitely would would buy that but what I mean people buy used clothes because they want to wear clothes that look like you know they have character you know like it drives me crazy when I buy people when I see people with uh pants that are just shredded all over the place like your knees are exposed yeah let's see the pro tip I have for that is just go to Goodwill you can you can get real yes clothes for real use clothes but that's that's as extra like hipster authentic if you get if you go to a real used clothes store what do they call those
vintage yeah vintage vintage look yeah oh yeah if you could buy some holy t-shirts and some dirty hippie water or Rolling Stones concert in the 1970s you can get that now that's worth a lot of money you know if like he died of a heroin overdose and he kept the [ __ ] t-shirt at his mom's house she said sell it I was worth a lot of money I've tried to hold on to things that I think I could sell down the road look I've still got the um I've got the strings that I recorded Richmond north of Richmond on my guitar I was gonna I almost threw them away I was like uh hold on a second you could definitely and hard times yeah I may have to sell those but that would be like an honest sale people can't say oh he's a sellout yeah yeah I'm just selling junk I have actually I'm considering selling my my truck um just if any I don't know I think we talked about this yes before but if somebody it's it's worthless to me it's got 325 000 miles on it in a salvage title and uh I still daily drive it but I thought man if I could sell this and somebody pay 50 grand for it or whatever and send it towards a charity like it would be it'd be pretty slick to do it has a salvage title it does yeah what happened you buy it when it was already no um well now I pay it's a it's a 2007 Suburban I paid a couple grand for it years ago and then um just here recently I had to have it towed it broke down and the rollback driver I guess I don't know if he was under the influence or something or what but he unhooked all the chains off and then tilted the bed back oh so the whole truck rolled right off the back of the rollback oh no it totaled the truck out it bent a bunch of stuff under the drive shaft in the front of the frame and all and of course I'm sitting there trying to figure out what to do with my truck and here comes all the police and they're like oh is that really you let's get it say hi I'm on the phone with my insurance company and then all these guys are coming up trying to take selfies with me and stuff it's hilarious like I guess this is the world I live in now but uh so can the truck be fixed it's drivable yeah I'm driving it it just Rod's kind of like a covered wagon now so uh it's [Music] yeah I mean it went it went Dukes of
Hazard style off the back of the truck that's right as an adult that show drives me nuts watching those cars land like what are you doing those cars well hey this one can do it so yeah sort of maybe I'll donate it to whistling Diesel and just let him kill it I don't know it'd be pretty slick but well you could do that or if someone is listening to this and they want to do something cool and they've got the cheddar buy it from you and then send it to Roadster shop and have them put like a like a badass suspension in it and you know make it a real sleeper they can do [ __ ] like that because you have to get all that replaced anyway why not replace it with like better [ __ ] it'd be cool for somebody to have it it would have a cool story behind it you know this company called Roadster shop they've been on my podcast before one of the things they do is they do like a sleeper series I think they call it the Legend series um I don't I'm I'm actually not sure what they call it but what they do is they'll take an old car so the outside looks like [ __ ] the outside is patina and rust and all that stuff and then you'll just completely redo everything under underneath it with like a crazy engine insane brakes and saying handling and suspension but it still looks like you know 72 GMC pickups yeah but underneath it it's just a monster it's got all the it's got all the monitored amenities and because new cars are so much more efficient like you don't realize when you uh so they do stuff like this but they have different kinds of builds no so these are all just like the different ones that they did Survivor Series that's what it is the survivors well so I think the Survivor Series that's what it is like they leave the outside it's interesting to me that older vehicles had so much more character like I don't know if it's just that it's uh people are doing drugs bro that's what it is we we nailed it with them we sat down with them and they introduced me to all these people that were the designers back in GM in the day this guy was a freak he was wearing like crazy red suits and this crazy guy was probably definitely on acid and these are the people that created these insane shapes and then when the sweeping psychedelics
Drug Act of 1970 came along they made everything a schedule one drug yeah and that is when cars went downhill it was early 70s yes you can get a 71 Barracuda and it's still sick but you get into like 72 73 yeah those cars look like [ __ ] 75 they're garbage 79 they're done everyone's on coke everyone thinks everything they do is amazing it's just you get the movie shot everything else everything lost its art and it it became focused more on algorithms of what's going to sell and what's more efficient and what's easy what's better to produce and it's sort of but back then I don't even think they had data they were going on they were going on past success so if you go to like the 1980s some of the worst movies that were ever made like the cocaine years those I really strongly feel like those people were going on reputations of sales and you know the studio would put a lot of money behind someone who had a great reputation and this guy's [ __ ] partying and doing lines and writing crazy [ __ ] in these scripts and some of them are good and some of them aren't so good but there's they're all kind of clunky they're all kind of disconnected that like a true Masterpiece of a movie isn't you know like Taxi Driver like you go back and watch Taxi Driver that's a masterpiece of a movie it's so connected you're connected to all the action it's like you're on the edge of your seat it's what it's it's wild the acting's insane even Jody Foster is kid is insane and it's so good but cocaine movies in the 80s like they just they're just they were nuts man they they didn't go on algorithms I think they just went on what they thought people wanted you know they probably took polls but who the [ __ ] answering polls polls are the worst way to get information because you're only getting information from people dumb enough to answer polls like that's such a small group of people how many people answer polls when they call you up how many people have [ __ ] people with a life have time for a poll you know do you think Jordan Peterson's ever answered a poll yeah like um I always get those calls and immediately hang up yeah you just shut the [ __ ] up I'm sorry I have to do this to you but bye it's a little bag please yes they can't get anybody to do it yeah it's
fascinating to see throughout history times when people were able to really connect with other humans like on that like whether it's through movie or film or cars or whatever it's like maybe it was the psychedelics or whatever I don't know but um there was a huge disconnect it seemed like after the 70s with all that things kind of went off and it's interesting even now like I see a lot of the new a lot of the new movies coming out they're all just sort of remakes of they're just like a they're like a reconcilization of something that's happened 15 years ago there's not a lot of like new stuff out there for people to connect with it's yeah Matt Damon did this conversation about why it's so much more difficult to make movies now there's no DVD sales anymore it was very interesting and it kind of makes sense I think it's just it's really hard to finance those [ __ ] things and did you want a guaranteed success what's a guaranteed success you need a superhero people like superheroes you know and uh if your superhero is trans even better you can figure out a way to make it every ethnicity inside the group of superheroes that are there perfect now we're good yeah now we need CGI we need aliens explosions yeah I think CGI is a blessing and a curse because like I don't know some of the best some of the best film it it doesn't necessarily have the best stunts or the you know like right you can tell where some of it's fabricated but that's okay because the the whole you know the whole thing's a fabrication going into it it's just about like being able to believe the story within it that's what's important you know even like I'm not a huge movie guy and I guess I'm um it's it's difficult for me to sit three hours and watch something straight my mind's already long gone within the first 30 minutes doing something else but Star Wars was really partial to me growing up and I don't think they'll ever touch the original series even though yeah like you can tell some of it like it look even with some of the like the the renovations they've done on the newer versions of it like to make to adding CGI into the old films it's like just the story of The Originals to me met a lot more than the old than the newer stuff just because of the you you don't
believe it looking at it with your eyes as much but you believe it more with your with your mind like listening to what it has to tell you you know I think this that Star Wars is like generational wealth like the original guy who started the company was a bad [ __ ] that guy was out there grinding he was selling soap out of the back of a wagon in 1890 but the folks who inherited the company three four and five generations in they're kind of flat there's not there's it's different you know when I watch Star Wars now it's like a bunch of stuff happening it's still fun they're still good I enjoy them yeah but Star Wars won in the context of whatever year it was what was it 77 or something like that okay there you go pop what do you think it is it was first starting um if you had a guess yeah probably late 70s I'd say yeah I want to say like 70s am I unprofessional am I right 77 yay look at that um that movie at that time was [ __ ] groundbreaking it was amazing Rick Baker did the special effects and that was when I was a serious special effects nerd like I wanted to do when I was a little kid I wanted to do special effects for the movies like that's how I became a giant fan of Rick Baker that's why we have the American Werewolf in London in the lobby oh okay yeah yeah it's like this guy named Pat McGee it's funny because that's our second one we have another one that's in the pool hall and the reason why is that Pat McGee who is this amazing special effects guy he was also on the podcast back in the day he made an American Werewolf in London you could buy online and I'm like that would be the sickest thing for the studio ever and then Rick Baker came and was a guest and Rick Baker said the proportions are off like the Wolves the arms weren't as long it was like shorter like this and that so Pat McGee listened and he was like [ __ ] I gotta make a better one and so he made an even better one and the new one is all hair there's no synthetic hair so it's all like I think it's Yak hair that they use so it's like individual hairs are put in all over this wolf and it looks [ __ ] amazing it does look that's the yeah that's the first thing that catches your eye walking in here I'd say out of everything yeah that thing's sick you're
not going to find one of those many other places that was my 100 my favorite horror movie that I love that movie because it's funny it's terrifying it has to do with the werewolf theme to me is so amazing that you take some person who's like a good person they're a friendly nice guy and they're like hey man you have to lock yourself in a cage you're gonna become a monster it's like what the [ __ ] are you saying that doesn't make any sense and no one and they never want to believe and you know it's gonna happen and in that one that was the first time in one of those movies where you got to see like the advancements of special effects like what year was American World in London let's guess that I want to say ad2 I'm gonna say 82 84. 81 81. um stuck with 82. back then when you know you had special effects it was like kind of like they didn't move that good like they couldn't get their faces to move that good but he had figured out a way to get your hands to grow like and he had to figure out a way to get things in his cheeks or his cheeks were bubbling yeah and it's and it's awesome all real none of it is CGI it's and there's something about that uncanny valley when you're watching a CGI transformation your brain knows it's [ __ ] for whatever reason you're better off having it look fake but be a real thing like John Carpenter's The Thing you're better off with that than you are with CGI for whatever reason CGI yeah I mean I think we just have there it is this is a behind the scenes footage that I just want to show you oh wow because it still moves in a yeah interesting way yeah it's but that's a physical thing moving it's not a CGI that does look exactly like the wolf in the lobby doesn't it so but back then they couldn't even get the thing to close its mouth look how sick that is that's awesome imagine if you're in a Subway and you see that [ __ ] thing turning your corner oh my God that seed was amazing where the poor guy was stuck in the subway and he was running from it and then you see it at the bottom of the escalator stairs that's that's like just those quick glimpses of a thing like that is so much more terrifying
than some long cgi-ied up monster killing someone seen like the American Werewolf in London was just a masterpiece Landis just nailed it it was the perfect horror movie and it was funny it's like there's funny moments in it yeah that's cool when you can add you can you can get humor in there too yeah that that uh that kind of reminds me of my dog when I don't give him table scraps terrible that terrible face like that that thing was amazing yeah but it's just the difference between digital and real and you're gonna have to deal with that soon because I guarantee you there's going to be some people that are making some seats oh yeah I'm sure what is that I'm sure there are yeah I haven't kept up with a lot just because um you know I'm doing so anything social media related right now or anything any internet presence I have right now is coming from me off the phone just like before everything blew up so I haven't invested the time to like look at everything circulating but I've people like friends and family have sent me stuff and some of it's pretty funny but uh you know they've got all these different AI remixes of the song with different voices and um overlay different faces and all and it's it's funny to see where it's going to go you know that is funny yeah you're gonna have to deal with that my daughter sent me some advertisement she goes did you do this advertisement like nope yep that's not really my voice yeah it is the day after the day after things blew up one of the towing companies had had an ad on Facebook that had it wasn't really me but it was a red beard and like the side profile of sunglasses looking out the window I'm like okay how dare I guess I've made it anyway that's when I realized like if people are already ripping things off and what's crazy is like every shirt that I've worn anywhere in public there's um so there's a there's a organization that I've um I'm not like officially related to or in any way have done anything with but it's a friend of a friend in the neighborhood it's called Nets with vets and they take out veterans with PTSD and let them go deep sea fishing and so he asked me last minute just to wear his shirt at one of the concerts and do you know now there's
like 1500 listings online for counterfeit Nets with vets shirts and so the organization reached out like hey are you like making shirts ripping us off it's like it's not me so it's like it's a weird it's a weird thing yeah I've already experienced a lot of that stuff not so much on the AI side but just I don't know the internet's just such a Rowdy place you know oh it's so rowdy the world's a Rowdy place it is and maybe people bring maybe people bring their um their best and their worst on the internet like uh I've always tried to stay off social media as much as possible but um I've learned very quickly that like Twitter and Facebook and stuff like you you you see comments and feedback from people both overwhelmingly positive that maybe you wouldn't get in a personal conversation but also like overwhelmingly negative too you know yeah people just use that as a vent that just they just take whatever seething hatred they have inside of them they're like oh I'm getting that guy with it you know if you had a song just about love that resonated like that it would be almost impossible to hate you but you have a song where you're talking about how people are fed up with [ __ ] and it obviously resonated I mean I've seen songs go viral but that's pretty banana son your [ __ ] went to the moon right away and uh God I'm not sure who sent it to me I have to find out who sent it to me because it's one of those things where like once one person sent it to me then it was like dozens of people or something yeah um it's funny because originally that song wasn't in my it wasn't really even in my top five like it's not normally the type of song I've written songs with similar messages but as far as that sort of like I guess Anthem format is what people are calling it's like an Anthem like that's not something I would normally write but uh but it's an unlikely anthem yeah insane times it would be an unlikely Anthem yeah I had no idea that that song would react the way it did um well you're a smart guy and it's representative of how a lot of people feel and it's also there's some about the way certain people sing and I don't know what it is because I can't sing but
there's a there's a tone there's an authentic sound and I know when they're faking it and it's not that they're not faking it in a beautiful way like there's a lot of people the fake and it's probably a bad term but they're sounding perfect and they're singing a song There's Something missing I don't know what it is yeah but some people like Janice Joplin's like one of my greatest examples there's a take a little piece of my heart there's a authenticity in that voice that God damn man if that doesn't bring you to your knees or play that play that we need to hear that we got time this [ __ ] song this is one of those songs that every time I hear it it just takes me in my mind to what it must have been like to be alive in 1968 or whenever it was that this came out and this hippie chick who's 27 years old yeah has a a voice from the heaven [Music] yeah damn son listen to that [Music] yeah it's uh it's Timeless too like [Music] hmm [Music] [Applause] [Music] shoes magical person yeah magical person it's a magical yeah she's really singing with everything in her like everything there's it's in yeah it's a I think at least in my case I think the one thing that's helped me too is it so my singing isn't the best but I've never had any like vocal lessons or anything so the way I sing is just the way I sing and so like I think even the same way with her and other people it's like it's maybe Rough Around the Edges it could be a little pitchy or it's you know you're not using the right part of your face when you project and whatever and so like on paper things aren't quite right but to the I guess to another human it's like it sounds like it sounds right because it's it's it is it is what it is you know it's authentic yeah yeah I don't think there's any right way to do anything I mean there's like you see it in everything there's a person who violates the rules and they're the best at it and then and then the rules almost morph into whatever that is like
um it's funny like with music yeah music has country in particular but music in general has gotten way too wrapped up in like this algorithm of how many beats per minute it needs to have and how many verses and how they need to be layered and it's like they've almost created this sort of like industry standard uh like OSHA rule book of how music needs to be performed and so like you can only do that so many thousands of times before people are like okay what else is there you know well people like that too that's the thing there's a lot of damn people there's a lot of people the problem I think a lot of people is they want you to like what they like and if you don't like what they like what you like sucks it's it's funny like that man it's we we're so tribal we we are we are tribal with our cell phones you know we're an Android or PC you know together it's like we're so weird we're so weird but we're like that with our musical taste we're like that with our cultural sensitivities or our cultural sensibilities rather like the way we feel about life and how life should be we want everybody to kind of think along the ways that we think it's it's very strange and when a person like yourself gets labeled a right wing left-wing fanatic like right out of the game both in both in like a week and a half and yeah at least I know I'm doing something right like to me yeah they're looking for your Biden campaign contributions now they're going through your [ __ ] taxes it's the whole thing's so Bonkers man like can't they just accept that you made a great song and people enjoy it yeah why does it have you know why do people have to attack well I think it's just for whatever reason I've been there's I'm the subject matter the last couple weeks and I and you know in everyone's defense I probably haven't it I've waited for for this opportunity I guess to really have a real conversation with somebody about whatever it is I am so people are just trying to find who's this Oliver Anthony guy and what is he and where does he work and who did he vote for and what's his family like and yachty because they want to sort of build this um image of whatever it is that the person behind the song represents for better for worse the
people who agree with it wanna you know I don't know it's it's really funny to watch on my end because obviously I know what's true and what's not and so like just even what I've skimmed through of people sending me like uh like this like singing at the Super Bowl like how many people have formed an opinion about whether or not I should be paid to sing at the Super Bowl like I'm not singing at the Super Bowl that's just some somebody made up but you know there's the has been hundreds of hours of people's time wasted probably talking about all these little like things that don't even exist it's just somebody made them up and put them on the Internet and so I'm just letting them ride I think that I think it's I think it's great I just think it's great like that at least the last couple weeks I've been able to entertain everyone and get everyone's mind off like all the all the other horrible stuff that's going on in the world right now like uh at least everybody can have a good laugh you know so well I mean it's it's a subject of discussion so like everybody is getting involved and and somehow or another became cultural and then there was uh Dwight from the office oh yeah if I did that if he was gonna write a cultural Anthem what did he say something like he wouldn't write about over overweight people on welfare he would write about billionaires in their taxes yeah there's nothing funnier than millionaires talking [ __ ] about billions there's nothing funny funnier about millionaires pretending these billionaires are out of touch oh yeah and then you know take take Dwight from the office down to West Virginia you know take him take him through those coal mining countries take them to those places in Appalachia where people have extreme poverty yeah and pills have ravished those areas take them through there and it's everywhere yeah the sad thing is it's everywhere now it's not yeah you know it's funny people right off the get-go I guess because it was radio WV that posted the original video but like I've never once advertised myself as being necessarily from the mountains my grandfather grew up in western part of Virginia in the mountains but I've I'm from Farmville which is technically Piedmont but even in throughout rural Virginia that poverty
is a big issue and drugs are a big issue and I mean it's not just even in the rural areas and you go into downtown Richmond or any downtown anywhere for that matter it's like it's almost like um yeah these problems exist everywhere now that are and I think I mean obviously they are because that's why the song resonated the way it did you know even in other countries in other countries yeah uh people are tired of being [ __ ] with and it seems like people in power always [ __ ] with people and it's just I think it's a natural inclination that human beings have and I think the founding fathers of this country recognize that when they set up our government they set up our government to protect it against tyranny and they did it by having all these different branches of government and they're all coordinated and there's a lot of [ __ ] a lot of stuff that keeps people from just running it the way they want to run it like a king well they I mean I'm certainly no uh I'm no professional historian but my understanding is that the federal government was never intended to be the size that it is today like it's just um we've all we're taught we're very top heavy in the way we're structured you know our federal government is enormous and out of control and almost impossible to manage but then like our our on our community level and in our state government things are especially local government things are just very neglected and weak and disconnected and so like that's why you see a lot of the problems like we shouldn't have to rely on the federal government to fix things out in the street in small town America like the communities in the local government should be the ones fixing that and that's that's the way I see things like even before the um even before our current form of government I remember reading about like Articles of Confederation and that was just an even smaller version of federal government and it needed to have a little more structure than that but even from day one it seems like uh the federal government's never supposed to be the size that it's gotten to like that's really that's a good argument if the country didn't get to the size that it got the the problem is you can't have
like 30 people running well no you can't do a billion people I think you could have more issues so like I just I thought I don't I think it's almost impossible um it's almost impossible for states to be able to have the control to make the right decisions for the people in their areas when the federal government limits them in so many different ways I don't know anything about this so I'm going to be talking out of my ass but I would imagine hey look I am too low on funding too there's probably a lot of issues especially in places that are poor because they they rely on taxes from those people it's uh it's all very complicated but the idea of taxing the rich being the way to fix all this no you're just going to give more money to the government and they're not really good at doing stuff you know I mean would it be nice if uh rich people donated to fixing streets and schools and stuff like that yeah for sure yeah it would be good good call also fat people shouldn't be buying [ __ ] fudge rounds with uh food stamps yeah also that's not yeah and that's and that's that's a funny um but also that's a conversation that sort of got blown multiple ways and really I I like to let a song be left up to the interpretation of the listener but even with that it's like yeah I would love to write a song about like I always thought it was funny to like when GM got bailed out of the recession after they made all these terrible decisions like I never understood why we I don't I I've never understood corporate welfare either too much of an extent so I do understand the people making that argument well the corporate welfare argument is you're going to lose a shitload of jobs you can preserve those jobs give those people a loan they build back up then they repay the loan that's what they did though yeah so there's actually some benefit to that so yeah it keeps American jobs and it also keeps one of the most iconic American car manufacturers in business that's good for everybody yeah I think it's a good it's it's a good conversation to have like um it is like what gets bailed out and what doesn't yeah why yeah yeah but ultimately yeah I do see a lot of people that aren't taken care of
um yeah and so you know the most used business that didn't get taken care of during the crash the porn business the porn business got wrecked but they got wrecked because they used to rely on DVD sales and then internet pirating came along and they lost everything and meanwhile these politicians are probably whacking off every day to them that's a big industry even today yeah for sure well hey for whatever they lost during the recession they made it back during covet because that's my understanding everyone was doing that then I don't know how that works like who's getting paid I don't know how that works I'm sure there's a lot of money in that business there's obviously a lot of eyeballs in that business I believe it's one-third of internet traffic worldwide or something Bonkers like that yeah isn't it something like that it should be more let's find out what it is what's the percentage of and everybody's like I don't know where it's coming from all right it's not me I've never even seen one of these films that stuff's terrible for people I um yeah I it's terrible for some people I gave that up I think it's like Adderall yeah some people can handle it that's one thing that is one thing I had to give up um yeah because it's I don't know it does disconnect you from reality in many ways like and I think a lot of the a lot of the weird perversion we see like coming out sort of like now at this point you read about I mean I even referenced some of it in the song of course but you read about like a lot of the weird things that people are doing that maybe wouldn't have been accepted 100 years ago I think people go down these rabbit holes with porn and they start off it's uh they start off with the video with the Milkman and by the end of it it's like where did I end I don't know people have to keep it's almost like a drug people have to keep chasing that thrill and it takes them down very destructive rabbit holes you know if you will so it definitely can for some people I have no issue with anybody watching it but I do hate the I hate to read about some of the things that it does to people it affect you know ruins marriages and that kind of thing it's like I don't know but
I think a lot of things ruin people I do I think they also should be legal sure yeah alcohol ruins people I like the the fact that bars are legal [ __ ] I own a bar alcohol is legal I like it it's good it's not good for everybody though some people drink alcohol and they lose their [ __ ] mind and it's not good for them whether it's genetically or whatever it is they can't have a drink I like a drink yeah you know and I I support your right to do whatever you want like you know I think if cocaine was legal the same amount of people would probably do it and it would be real you'd get pure cocaine it'd probably be better we'd probably have better music but if you're getting this fentanyl mix [ __ ] and you're out of your [ __ ] head yeah well that's the problem like yeah I mean gosh yeah look at when the government bans something it only makes it worse so that's certainly not the answer I'm not interested in Adderall I'm interested in trying it once but I'm not interested in like doing Adderall I am interested I'm a lion I'm interested because everybody loves it uh but I'm scared of it the porn stats you're right about 30 but this is the only one I find to be odd in 2020 16.5 years was the average age of first exposure to porn in the United States 16 and a half that's like that's because 90 year old people are still alive and they do it based on them our first time my girly movie when I was punty Frank had a Real to Reel camera in the basement we all got paired we had we had raincoats on and that's what it is it's like when you you factor in infant mortality to the average age that people die during the Roman era that's what it is so you expected to be lower than 16 and a half oh I mean yeah yeah it should be yeah yeah you give a kid a phone now um instantly they they I know that was one thing that was interesting to me in Virginia they just recently changed a law where I think you have to enter your driver's license to watch porn now hilarious now they know exactly who's watching porn well that's good if you're watching some freak [ __ ] you know if you're into you know it's like I don't know you don't want to give the government the ability to spy on you yeah you just don't and you don't want
to give because the government is just humans we like to think of the government as being some all-powerful all moral all ethical entity that controls us in a perfect and very robust and well-considered way but that's not real yeah the reality is it's human beings like you and like me and like Jamie people people that get to dictate what other people can and can't do and that's where [ __ ] gets weird yeah and a lot a lot of people I think go into government with good intentions but it's like anything else once you I think you get in the mix it's like things change and you have to um you have to go with the flow and sort of agree to agree on things that maybe you don't your heart doesn't necessarily agree with and so that's why you see politicians constantly changing narratives depending on like the political climate and so yeah it's kind of created this big disconnect between people like you and I and people like you and I that are in government because they're not they're not necessarily saying what they feel or what they think they're like let me keep my stripes just like everybody else's so I don't stand out you know like yes there's a lot of that there's a lot of there's too much money tied up in politics um too much bribe and extortion and and and and slap slap on the back deals and stuff that should never be allowed to happen like um yeah that's what's really created a lot of honesty within it there's a bunch of decisions that got made a long time ago that really [ __ ] us and one of them was when they let drug companies advertise on television that's like there's only two countries in the world that allow that really the United States and New Zealand yeah and I think it was 97. was it 97 when they allowed yeah it's funny because yeah you watch the commercial and then at the end it's like it's the best thing in the world did that last 20 seconds you're like I don't know about that I know you're at a cookout everything looks great next thing your [ __ ] is [ __ ] spraying blood and you're suicidal yeah like what yeah like I mean and they say it all so fast this is how you know yeah suicide ideation rectal bleeding
yeah I mean that's um like fortunately at this point in my life I haven't been on many medications but I I went on a run with ssris and I can tell you for me it's like it's the last 20 seconds applied more than the first two minutes of the commercial like I didn't find any benefit in that I and it's yeah it's I don't know I I think there's alternatives to to Pharmacy medicine in a lot of cases like maybe even if it's just habits you know like it's okay to prescribe a medication to um to keep somebody on course they're like you know for example like I I've got a I've got a relative of mine I won't call him out but he he won't change the way he eats at all but he'll take whatever medications every day to keep his his uh you know keep the diabetes away and keep his blood sugar blood pressure low and all that but it's like there should be more integration of like hey maybe this is like a plan of what you should do to go along with this medicine ideally eventually get it's like they don't want you to really get off the medicine though if anything they want you to keep taking it right so like yeah it's weird it is weird that it's almost advertised like it's a soda or a or a car or something you know well it's weird that you know people are so we're so kind of like dependent on other people to take care of us that we would rather go somewhere and get some medication than fix our life then fix your lifestyle choices and that's and we've been programmed to sort of think that there's solutions for you out there go get those Solutions that's not a solution like internally you need to reconsider like what you're doing to your actual physical body like what are you doing to your physical body yeah like are you are you giving your physical body the exercise that it deserves to be robust and healthy if you're not you should are you eating food that's nutritious if you're not you should you know well and how do you do I mean how do you do that in today's time anyway if you don't have a lot of money like well you can exercise nutritious food exercise certainly yeah because there's a way to eat nutritious food on a budget but you have to be diligent you know and the problem is fast food and food deserts but if you have a
supermarket if there's a supermarket where you live then you can get food and if the supermarket has food you can get healthy food and it's not that much more expensive even people that go on a carnivore diet I know people that go into Carnival diet on a budget and they buy they go to Costco and go get a big uh tube of ground beef and they freeze a lot of it and they cook a bunch of it like in portions yeah you know I know yeah and that's a lot better than the crap from the store but even it's not like I mean you read about I mean just in the part of the country I'm at we've got um really close family of ours at farms the father and the son have both died from cancer from what they've been you know from the commercial agriculture they've been in Spring and all like and all that stuff ends up in the food and you get I've read about microplastics in the food like you you know you go and buy you go and buy a tub of ground beef like how much plastic was in the food that they of all the all the bags of crap that they threw in there to feed the feed the animals but it's just it is really I think the only way to in this time in the area we're in unless you're going to go buy really expensive food out of like a some fancy smanchy grocery store that I can't spell the name of it's like you're really better off going to somebody local and buying it direct like buying it almost Straight From the Farmer well essentially certainly if you have an organic farm near you yeah definitely but yeah pesticides and herbicides are a real deal atrazine you know Alex Jones famously said they're turning the frogs guy but they are it's they're making them hermaphrodites they're making them switch Sexes I mean atrazine is a very potent endocrine disruptor and it's a fertilizer you know or is it a pesticide pesticide one of those I think it's the pesticide something needs to be done about it but there's you know there's a lot of that [ __ ] that they spray on food someone something like 90 plus percent of people tested have glyphosate in their blood yeah that's wild I mean that that is an herbicide that they spray on stuff to yeah so to me it's like I yeah you can definitely eat healthy like um but even then like a lot of the food
today isn't very healthy just because inherently just because of the way it's grown well there's a lot that is there's still a lot that is you could certainly eat healthy yeah it's not easy but neither is being sick being sick's not easy either man yeah just a amount of money You're Gonna Lose by having a body that's defeating you every turn you're always tired you have no inspiration you have no motivation you can't get [ __ ] done you know it's one of the reasons why I can get a lot of [ __ ] done being healthy makes a giant difference you have so much more energy than regular people who are just like sitting around all day because you don't demand anything of your body if you don't demand anything of your body it's like good well just [ __ ] atrophy into a sack of Bones and meat yeah being complacent is is like the worst thing for you um physical physically testing yourself is good and then mentally testing yourself and and spending your time working towards some sort of purpose like I think that's really what was um that's really what was killing me the last few years was just and I see this in friends and family and people I know but uh even just from a mental standpoint not spending your day working towards whatever purpose it is that you feel like you really need to accomplish deep down inside I think that will really kill you over a period of time like you know you go work your nine to five or whatever you come home and then you just start swiping start wasting your rest of your evening like that's your that's your time to be productive working towards whatever passion project or hobby or sure as long as you don't enjoy your nine to five some people actually enjoy their nine to five and they want to go play video games I'm trying to shame them folks maybe you should talk to your wife every now and again but yeah if you want to play Diablo four at three o'clock in the morning I support your rights yeah if that's what you're hot yeah that's what yeah and I don't even mean so much video games but just like that mindless scrolling that I that like I've like I've found myself being into too bro I've seen more people get hit by cars over the last like five months on
Instagram more people get shot more people get mauled by animals Instagram's wild it is wild the [ __ ] they're allowed to show you yeah and like one of them was like it's okay he's fine like like that that was like in the like there was a big like letter you know a bit print over the video of this guy get hit by a truck like that guy is not fine there's not H I'm not a medical expert but when you get hit by a truck and launched into the windshield of an oncoming car I guarantee you you're not fine no I get it look I've been that guy that sat I've wasted at least an hour sometimes in a row watching like Russian dash cam videos like these logging trucks flying off the road and stuff like I don't know it's there's something like that it just gets your brain excited you know I don't know yeah it's not good it's very addictive it's not good for you to see that many people die and that many people get bit by crocodiles so see more people get there like crocodiles I don't know what the [ __ ] is wrong with my algorithm but I've seen more people get bit by crocodiles over the last six months than having a long ass time but yeah it's mostly a waste of time but it's also fun there's a lot of funny videos on there it's just a matter of being disciplined you just got to know when you're scrolling too much and the way I avoid that is by doing stuff so there's a lot of stuff I do you know whether it's archery or playing pool there's a lot of stuff that I do where I don't there's no time you don't you're not spending any time on that and so there's a complete different Focus like when I'm shooting uh a bow and I'm shooting at a Target and I'm just practicing my mind is empty all I'm thinking about is the shot process all I'm thinking about is whether or not the arrow broke clean did I move my shoulder a little why why did that one go three inches left like what happened there was it um that my elbows my elbow up high how was my follow through okay let's think about it let's do it again so that's a mind cleansing thing yoga classes like that if you can get a find a good hot yoga class man when you're [ __ ] standing there holding on to one foot and one foot is extended you're hobbling around on one like [ __ ] you ain't thinking about Jack [ __ ] but what does a good job of connecting you to
your body too yeah which is something maybe we're not very good at either it's very good for people yoga is like my one of if I had one thing to recommend someone who's never done any exercise before please try yoga don't hurt yourself go slow because a lot of people do hurt themselves yeah yeah I can't imagine me trying to do that one of my friends who's a doctor said that yoga is like one of the main people that it's yoga and Jiu Jitsu he said people are coming to see him for treatment but Jiu Jitsu makes sense it's literally a sport of trying to break yeah yoga you would think you think it'd be the opposite if anything yeah I've pulled muscles in yoga yeah you're doing hard stuff but Hot Yoga I think is a little better for that because it really does warm your body up like almost instantly and then like if you do the Bikram series I know that guy was a creep but if you do the series it's not even he I don't believe he'd even invented that series of poses I think he just popularized it and they're all like standard yoga poses but that series is designed very well to get you really warmed up so by the time you get into more complicated and challenging movements your your body's pretty warmed up it's a good system they're really it's [ __ ] hard man a 90 minute hot yoga class at 105 degrees it's a [ __ ] that sounds great for the sounds like a great walk away from that the feeling you get oh you feel so relaxed that is one thing I'm looking forward to now is like uh you know continuing to focus on Mental Health in that area but also like I'm excited to get into better shape physically and um just like the only thing I've done in the last six months at all is running we were planning on um we were planning on trying to kind of schedule a run in September that I think was like 10 miles or something so it's a friend of mine that I've been running with you know uh two or three days a week and even that just whatever's on your mind when you start it's gone by the time you leave you know it's just it's something good about like getting everything connected again but music is big for for me on that too you know that's just getting your playing an instrument and singing like you're just
everything's that everything's all all one again you know it's very easy especially and maybe because of social media and because of the way technology I don't know what it is that I'm certainly no Dr Phil but it's like the world we live in the day your mind is very easily disconnected from like your body physically like it's you can get lost just worrying and thinking and doing and you know it's it's good to have something like that I guess just have groundings the word or whatever I don't know but it's good to have something like that to like get you back in the reality again yeah my belief is that all human beings need something creative whether that's something creative is a game that you play that you get to like invent moves or think about things and strategies or whether that game or whether that creativity expresses itself in music or in illustrate drawing painting something I think people really get a great satisfaction out of making things and of creating things well sure and everyone's good at something that's what's crazy I'd say almost everyone's good at something I know some people well maybe they haven't figured out what it is but you know like you'd be um that's one thing I've enjoyed over the years with like what I've done in the past is meeting all these different people even if it's like I you'd be surprised at how how unique people are and what they're able to do and what like I don't know everyone seems like they have that one thing maybe they maybe even if it's something that they had as a kid that they lost along the way but like people are people are really good at [ __ ] and sometimes you underestimate people and people don't spend the time they need to develop the craft it is they have but it's also sometimes people don't find a thing early on in their life where they get into it you know so if they don't have a thing ever it's very difficult for them to gravitate towards a something but that's why taking class that's like martial arts classes are great for that because all of a sudden you're learning this new thing and it's exciting like oh my God it's Monday night we're gonna go to Jujitsu class you got your little white belt on you're tying it you're like oh you're freaking
out yeah but afterwards you feel like wow I really did something I really challenged my fears I really took like a class and I'm learning some stuff and I'm doing with other people that are learning and I'm making new friends like there's there's something really cool about that and that's also a thing that people need that they don't have is like a real Community you know like feeling of community you know like one of the nice things about comedians is that we all work together so this is like this feeling this is a real feeling of community we go on the road together we travel to different countries together like all the guys that I go on the road with we're friends like we hang we laugh we're just we're having drinks and having dinners places and just everywhere you go you're with family it's beautiful it's beautiful in that way if you don't have that man if you don't have a thing that you really like where you're really like connected to like-minded people it sucks it's not fun you know if like maybe the friends that you have are all [ __ ] up and they're going in the wrong direction try to pull you with them right yeah because jobs happens like you have to be careful who you keep in your Social Circle because you'll end up just like them you know well you have to be careful of energy vampires there's people that are energy vampires and they'll steal from you they really will they'll steal from you they'll still they don't want to do the work but they want you to do the work for them like they want you to be involved in everything that they're doing even though they're not making any changes and they want to drag you in and they want it to be the focus of all the attention and and you really find out after a while that if you're around positive people then all of a sudden you're uplifted and you have all this energy yeah and it's funny how that works yeah yeah it's interesting all that stuff kind of goes on behind the scenes and you don't really think about it you know uh one thing that really benefited me or like even in my early 20s on a lot of my friends seem to be older um one of my best friends he's in his he's probably I'm 31 he's probably in his mid-40s
um and then everyone above them is like my my best drinking buddy for years he's like 65 66. I love hanging out with older people though because they're just they're a lot wiser and they're they some of them well well I mean you have to choose yeah there's some Old Dominion bro I'm a dummy too so it's okay if I'm hanging out with dummies but yeah I like hanging out with older people like they just and you hear you it reconnects you back to like I don't know they've just experienced so much more than you ever could in that extra 20 years or whatever 10 years it's like those are the kind of people you want to surround yourself with or people that are gonna that are that are more experienced than you more wise people that you can aim toward being certainly not people that that are immature or on a bad streak or even like now like I'm trying I'm cutting out the drinking like I said I haven't gotten High um and almost I guess almost two months now a month and a half or two months that was your problem I was the weed yeah it was a well the problem for me was um well I knew that I needed to do this like I knew I needed to I procrastinated with music a long time I mean I'm 31. I've been playing guitar and singing on and off since I was a kid like my grandma was in a band years ago and so like little I remember as a little kid what got me interested in all of it was um going you know Dukes of Hazzard when I was a kid I was like five and I used to sit with my grandma and we'd sit and watch Dukes of Hazzard and watch Waylon Jennings pick that guitar because I had no idea who Waylon Jennings was but that just like I just fell in love with that and uh so grew up listening to like that 70s country and she loved all the old stuff like the 50s and 60s and even in the 70s even you know Janice and all that and so like she really introduced me a lot into music when I was a little kid and so like I just kind of held on to it but never never pursued it the way I should and then I'd play at a bonfire party or I'd play it whatever it's a friend's house and everybody's like man you got to do something with this you're you know you don't want to waste this
Talent you've got and whatever and that would almost make me feel even shittier because I'm like oh man I suck like I'm such a piece of crap for not doing something with this and so yeah like when I was outside of work it's like I would just I would just I drink I'd get just absolutely stoned and I would just sit around and try to think about anything but what it was that I really needed to be doing which was like and so and it was kind of like funny but that's ended up what kind of sparked me into like writing all these songs and doing all this stuff because it's like I I don't know just like with you probably with some what you did Jiu Jitsu or whatever it's like for me songwriting is it gets my head like you said getting your head clear you know because that's all you can and I songwriting is interesting for different people but now that I've been in it I guess I've been in the industry for two weeks and I've talked to like now that you've been in the industry and conquered it now that I'm an industry expert it's like some of the other musicians I've talked to like the people I've looked up to over the years they experienced this too but certain people when you songwrite it's a very um it's a it's dramatic like um do you write all your own songs yeah but it's it's have you been accused of not writing your own songs very early on yeah because since my state I guess it's not even my stage name it's Oliver Anthony music and so it's supposed to represent music from you know Oliver Anthony music as my my grandfather and so he grew up in the 30s in the mountains and used to tell all these wild stories about how life was back then but the music's just sort of a characterization of like that period in time and those people you know and that's so yeah when when so your real name is not all CR yeah Christopher Christopher Anthony Lunsford is my real legal name and so that's what's on like like if you look up the song right I decide this thing is Oliver Anthony just in uh well like I said I have it I just had the the YouTube channel listed as Oliver Anthony music um just because like that's sort of that's sort of the the demeanor or the like I said the character I was rep like
that older Virginia Style music like if you if you look if you go on YouTube and you look up that type of music from back then like those old recordings of people like that's that's what I I just love that type of stuff do you think you're gonna keep that name yeah I mean I mean a lot of people still call me Chris and I've posted on social media call me I mean I've been called a lot worse than either of those things but yeah it'll it'll stay Oliver Anthony music indefinitely yeah it's just it's a it's a special name and it's a special name to me not only because it was my grandfather's name but it's it's sort of like to me it reminds me of how much how different things were back then but uh he was born Oliver Anthony but everybody called him Anthony growing up and so like he always thought his name was Anthony Oliver and uh last name Ingle and so like it wasn't until he was in his 60s and going to retire he realized that his name didn't match his birth certificate so he had to actually change his legal name when he was in the 60s but it's because he thought his name was Anthony Oliver yeah and so his whole life but his legal name was and so it's yeah and his his parents named him so it's just like but uh but all the paperwork back then was so scattered up because a lot of people were illiterate and of course documents weren't tracked as well as they are now you know and so it's like yeah there's people in the family that have a different spelling and it's the same last name but the few letters are different and stuff it's just kind of cool like but he just he just thought that was crazy he had to change his name and he was 65 so he could draw his retirement and all because his Social Security and everything was under a totally different name but that's cool it's just special to me um he was he's like the only other one in the family like me most of our family is like average height six feet and under but he and I were both you know six six redheaded left-handed like I just I don't know in a lot of ways I just uh I thought it was special to kind of respect him he passed away in 2019 and that's kind of when I I guess that's when I first kind of adapted the name for the music I didn't really get serious with anything until probably yeah until a couple weeks ago
probably until I think I uploaded the first original like like when I was when I decided I was in it to win it and I really wanted to make this thing happen um it was probably about it yeah probably May of last year when I uploaded ain't got a dollar or it might have been rich man's goal was the first one I uploaded on YouTube but that's when I decided like all right I'm I'm doing this thing but yeah so you were just smoking too much weed drinking too much and just procrastinating yeah yeah yeah yeah and so that and you know like anxiety is a is definitely something that's underestimated you know I used to laugh about or not laugh about but I used to just not really understand when people talked about mental health and anxiety because everyone gets stressed out over stuff and so you think of anxiety as being just like this normal phenomenon everyone deals with but your your mind can really put you in a dark place to where that thing is just like it just holds on to you like a you know it just um makes it very difficult for you to do anything and so yeah I spent at least two years of my life almost constantly just having what felt like just a knot right here just just wrenching at me well that's especially true for people that are pursuing a non-traditional life you know with that doesn't have any guarantees it's it's a wild life to try to be an Entertainer like to just to choose to try to make it in this wild world of people that are singing and making songs and you want people to pay attention to you like do you know how many [ __ ] people are singing how many people can sing how many people are recording things and now with YouTube and the like how many people are putting stuff up on the internet for other people to enjoy it's a lot one idea that you're gonna stand out so that you're filled with anxiety just because of that because you're this future is uncertain yeah I think for me a lot of it a lot of the anxiety came from me just feeling like I was running out of time like I knew that um I knew that I had an ability to pursue this and kind of take this adventure on and I just had kept like I said for 10 years or more I had just I'd picked the thing up for a few months and then I'd put it down and just always doubting
myself you know yeah well I think it's uh I mean the universe in some weird way always sort of finds like for people that becomes very successful especially like yourself it's almost like that's the best way to do it like I've never met anybody where I was like your way to do it isn't the wrong way to do it like I everybody that I meet that becomes successful especially like overnight people it's like oh I see all these fat well that's why you're good that's very good you're good because you had a real life like a real tortured regular life like regular people if you're in the [ __ ] Mickey Mouse Club when you're 14 and then also you're famous to me I mean I love Miley Cyrus to death and she's [ __ ] insanely talented and I heard her new album is her best ever everybody's raving about it but I feel bad for people to become famous when they're young I just feel like that's a heavy burden for you to have to carry and you didn't ask for it you can't ask for it you don't know what it is it's like you know it's like getting a face tattoo when you're five like yeah it's like I'm gonna get a heart tattoo to my forehead let everybody know I'm full of love like okay Billy let's take it to the tattoo pocket you know like I want to be famous so everybody knows me okay Billy let's get you in front of TV yeah and it's it's tough because yeah because then um everyone's perception of everything's different anyway based off the way they were brought up like you know the way you and I look at something we we both look at something a certain way and it's it's our way of looking at it to us that's reality but everyone's perception is just different just inherently just based off the way we're raised and maybe even our genetics and the way our things we've experienced or the way the way our parents taught us things and so like yeah it's it's it is tough if you get thrown into that at such an early age because this is just such a I feel bad for anybody that gets thrown into all this anyway like the things I've seen and heard and witnessed and just in a couple of weeks you need to do this and you got to do that yeah it's like that's just some people it's kind of crazy sense of this almost crazy sense of urgency everyone's sort of thrown on
me to do something with this and it's like I don't um yeah at the end of the day I've got a I've got to remember who I was you know a month ago and I've got to make sure that I you know and it's okay to evolve from that and change and like I don't I don't want to always be stuck being that guy but I don't want to like leave him behind either you know I don't know just be yourself you're gonna be fine this is like this conversation that we had over the phone I said [ __ ] all those urgent people you have talent you have talent you don't need anything else but talent talent and authenticity you got both of those things this urgency thing what the [ __ ] are they talking about you you literally had the number one song like instantly well you can't do that again how the [ __ ] do you know You Don't Know Jack [ __ ] these people are crazy they don't understand what's going on and they've they don't understand what it's like to be famous you are in a wheel yeah I think what's so weird what you need to do right now is just keep being you and don't let anybody control you and don't let anybody rap and certainly don't let you anybody put you on some crazy publicity campaign to try to capitalize on this great moment and immediately get some large record machine behind you and mass well that's yeah because that really goes against the whole message that I wanted to get out in the first place and so yeah what would it benefit me to sign a big deal or have some like I don't know as busy as things get I don't know that I'd ever let anybody even manage my social media and stuff like that's just something that I'd like to have the hand on and then if you know I do mine I do all mine yeah I don't let anybody do my [ __ ] well I think like just with you like we talked about earlier your show in general the reason people watch it isn't you know you could you could add more people in and have more uh have more special effects and lights and what you know figuratively speaking like you could make you could make this into something bigger than what it already is but it would just it would just take away like sometimes the more you add the more you take away it's the it's the fact that you have conversations with people that you're genuinely interested
in like we don't have enough real conversation any anyway in the world like we have very little I had never had a Twitter account and uh so I made one a couple weeks ago to like start uploading every oh you got to get on X and upload all the stuff and within like a week I'm like okay I get I get it like I'm tapping out yeah I don't read any of my stuff on Twitter I do Post occasionally you know what I do like to do is repost things that I think are interesting I do like that yeah well thanks I appreciate it well that's what Instagram I put that up on okay yeah yeah but yeah a lot of people liked it I think on my account alone it had more than let me say tell I'll tell you how many views it had I want to say it's somewhere around 11 million views I was explaining to someone the other day I went I was like do you know how insane that is yeah like that you could put something up that this guy just made 12.8 million views wow that's Bonkers dude that's Bonkers that's a lot of [ __ ] human beings that's a lot of humans yeah so I've had to ask myself like why that happened the way it did and um and look I'm not I have said this a hundred times already but like I'm no I'm certainly no preacher like people have have made comments about like oh well why does he he reads scripture or whatever and talks about God but then he does other things like like I do have some foul language and I do sing some songs that I've written about whatever you know getting high and hanging out in the woods but like it's just what I am like I'm not here to say that I'm anybody better than anybody else by any means well didn't God invent the woods and wait yeah well there you go I don't believe anybody that tells you that God doesn't want you to have weed I do want to I do want to use if there's anything I would like to capitalize on with my opportunity it's just like because for me just being in the position that I've been in the last two years and the just the trash I've had um in my head is I tell you like I don't care who and look I'm I haven't been in a church in 10 years and I'm not saying I'd ever go back into one again I don't know about all that but uh
there's a lot of things in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes that make sense and are Timeless to today like if people just could find If people could just have enough open-mindedness to just read a little bit of Proverbs and just see what it has to say I think like it would make the world a better place there's a lot of Truth in those words um they don't just talk about it it's it's real life advice that that that I that I work toward every day applying in my own life um so was there like a moment with you because I've read the legend story but I wanted to ask you this in live in person was there a moment when you had like a literal come to Jesus moment where you realize you're at Rock Bottom yeah I mean um what was going on yeah I was at a point where I was having um man I don't even think I'd call it panic attacks it was just like I was so everything was just so screwed up I was getting like um I was getting chest pains and shooting pains all down into my like I was having like almost cardiovascular symptoms that are just I guess now I realize there's Stress and Anxiety related but I thought I really thought I was gonna die like holy [ __ ] um this is why you're having drinking a lot I was well yeah well I think maybe the weed was even causing some of that like I was I was slamming down so you know we can grow it in Virginia now so I grew you know a lot of a group a lot of pounds of weed last year and so like I've got and I don't even know what I'm gonna do with it all now but I sell that on eBay I've got yeah yeah I'll save it for a hard time if you come to Virginia the back of the Suburban where it's legal the back of the Suburban will be packed with as much weed that is legal this out but yeah I had grown some crazy stuff and was smoking it and Oliver Anthony weed brand we're in I think it's like uh yeah let's go Hulk Hogan's got his own weed brand why don't you I know um we'll talk about all that in the growing because I am intrigued with the growing but yeah to your point it was like um I just almost disconnected from reality I don't want to say I was having like I was never psychotic or having like um you're freaking out I was very
disassociated from like my reality like um I can remember just being around really close friends having dinner one night you know like you know you get warm and fuzzy feelings being around people you care about and everything was just ice cold like I just tried it was almost like I just tried to feel something other than what I was feeling what were you thinking during these times I was thinking that um like what was the state of your life I was thinking like that I was gonna I was thinking like I see I don't know suicide's a weird thing because and I can't speak for everybody but for me like it wasn't it wasn't that I ever wanted to kill myself like I knew I wanted to keep trying to fight and get out of whatever it is I was in but it was almost like at some point I thought I was going to do it almost as a fight or flight response response like that I couldn't escape whatever it is that I was in and like that was my own that was going to eventually be my only way out and so as sad and as whatever like I hate even talking about this but I feel like I should talk about it I mean where else to talk about it but on Joe Rogan but it's like that was one of the things that compelled me to throw a lot of these videos up just off my phone you know like it's funny when I had when I had those songs and maybe I still do I haven't looked at the charts in a week or whatever but I had stuff on iTunes it was like in the top two or three spots other songs those were just recorded off my Android phone uploaded on YouTube I ripped the WAV file off the YouTube video and then just uploaded through distro kid and so like people were buying like the number two song on iTunes at one point I think it was ain't got a dollar and that's what I that's just the audio from the YouTube video and but I wanted to get all those I had a lot of these songs microphone from the phone from my Android phone from my front camera on my Android phone yeah and so like it sounds pretty good I wanted to get all that up though because I didn't I really didn't know like I didn't know if I was going to be around to do it like can you pause that for a second let's listen to that I want to hear that if you don't get freaked out and uncomfortable listen to your own voice it's okay no okay no I
like because I want to hear what that sounds like this would be the yeah the the Inc they ain't got a dollar the original version is a good example um [Music] recording off of Android phones might be the new thing you can tell it's very mono like too authentic recording off of Android phones [Music] I don't die I got a little spot in the country where awesome [Music] when the Sun goes down on this itty bitty town we can light up the phone pass it around but I don't listen man you don't gotta listen to nobody tell them all to eat [ __ ] shut the [ __ ] up you can do whatever you want man you just keep doing that yeah doing that and do concerts that's what got me uploading the songs originally I was like I'll just go ahead and get something out there and then I mean man I was taking aspirin every day thinking like I was gonna have a heart attack it was just I was having like all this crap so what was uh when you were recording these things and releasing them what was the hope the Hope was the people that would enjoy them yeah I was just trying to leave I was just trying to leave them out for the world in case like in case you died yeah in case I I guess in case either I died from a heart attack or like I'll use these songs would be if you died I think the the most horrible rumor about Jimi Hendrix is that his manager was like a gangster had him killed his manager had him killed because he's made more of a legacy he was gonna leave and he owned the music while Jimmy was alive and if Jimmy died he would get the music and yeah and they killed him yeah maybe maybe I thought like I figured like that was the only thing I had that was worth anything and so like if I was going to be a shitty enough person to like leave you know leave a kid behind and like whatever my family and whatever else it's like at least there'd be something there for them to be able to capitalize on and
make was your bad feelings come from did they come from a lack of Hope for your future did you have like a sense of what would what would make you happy what you were missing no no like it's was it just the mind the mind is well and for like I guess I'm a creative person I guess you'd say and so like for Creative people in general life is very imaginative anyway so like again it's like you and I could go to the same restaurant sit down order the same Meal have the same waitress identical everything right in a parallel time and you and I would walk out of that restaurant noticing different things experiencing it completely different like the Mind ex perceives things individually right and so like when you get into a bad headspace like that your perception of what what otherwise be good things can become very bad and I don't know I don't know the best way to explain it um because I'm not well versed on psychology or anything like that but that's the best way I can explain it is like you don't understand sometimes what people are going through even from the outside in you know you look at people who are not living life right and you're like I just wish he'd just get his [ __ ] together I don't understand why he's doing that and it's like because maybe in his head what he's looking at is totally different than what you're looking at I don't know the mind's very complicated you know and um we my understanding is even now with all the studies we've done and the technology we have like we understand the Mind very little but there's so much that goes into it and like so much of our thoughts come from our gut biome and all like there's just there's millions of living things within us that I think influence the way we think and what we do and it's you know it's a very complicated thing so yeah it's easy for people to get to get off track and um you know it's hard to get back on the track when you get off like it really took that's why I say like I was really just um even though I it was on paper things were great right like I was married things were like I had a I have a great marriage I had a good job like I worked my ass off but I made good money
and what were you doing for work um so the last six years I've been in Industrial Sales so I've worked outside sales for um because I was in the I was in the industry like working factory work when I was younger had a bad accident couldn't go back to that job and then during that recovery period I went to work I don't can I say I don't know if I can say the place or not I don't know okay what was the accident uh I fell and hit my head um yeah I had internal I had like an internal fracture I remember riding in the ambulance on the way I'd had seizures and all and passed out at the I was it's weird because I can remember laying there and remember the ambulance and the EMT people coming in everybody around me talking to me but like I I could hear them but I was just kind of in a dream and I do remember waking up in the ambulance on the ride I had like I had I remember I had blood coming out of my ear and maybe out of my out of my mouth or my noses but I remember I had blood on my I went and reaching I had blood on my face I I it was clean shaven then but uh and I asked the guy in the back with me in the ambulance I'm like man I was like is everything am I going to be all right or what and he's like buddy we're doing the best we can and I'm like oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] and that messed me up out pretty bad I was in the hospital I was in the hospital for two or three days but even like for the next year after that my memory was trash I had really bad balance issues like it was difficult for me it just kind of jacked everything up yeah I had a lot of inflammation and stuff in my brain and but that kind of and I questioned whether or not that had a lot to do with my mental health issues like I've talked I've met a lot of people just even at the I've done I've done four shows so far and they've all been like intimate settings and so like I've taken hours after each one to talk to everybody to give everybody a chance to talk and I've talked to another guy who had a bad head injury and and um has dealt with something really similar to me but I almost wonder if that didn't affect that that kind of Knocked a few screws loose upstairs with like every everything else that's went on but I tell you like the thing it so you got depressed after that
yeah for sure yeah before then I was totally fine 100 they're connected yeah yeah 100 I mean it might not be the only factor that led you down that road but 100 that's a major symptom of Fighters when Fighters get knocked out when football players get knocked out depression major symptom major symptom that's one of the real dangers of head trauma there's a lot of people who have had severe head trauma that you go to take their own lives afterwards yeah and looking back I think that could be a big part of it because I look back into my 20s and a lot of it was very dark and that's after that for sure yeah I guarantee you they're connected yeah guarantee you and I guarantee you like if you got your um assistant like if you had really good health care they could they could find some issues with your endocrine system a lot of times with people that have really bad hand injuries their pituitary gland gets damaged and your body's not producing hormones correctly anymore and you're just all [ __ ] up your cortisol levels are all [ __ ] yeah because I would say that was the thing it was almost like my brain was stuck in like this fight or flight type of thing and maybe that's what the writing helped because the writing helped like it helped emphasize that more creative part of my brain to get me out of that headspace but I loved my job I did because I was still in the field so I was still on job sites and Industrial plants and hospitals meeting and so like I've I guess the reason that I've the reason I feel like other than just really Divine influence again based off is just the experience I've had the last 60 days with my faith and stuff which is just and I'd love to touch on that some too but uh I've had so many conversations with people the last six or seven years because it was my job to go almost kind of like how you talk to people in here every day I was going around and talking to Joe schmoe and Billy on job sites all day and every every Walk of Life not just blue collar like um and so like those are some just very authentic conversations you have with people because you're just a guy and they're just a guy and you're just talking and so you can still have those the same you can still have the same
famous the same message kept coming across which is really what I guess I resonated in this song but this people are just so tired and um so yeah I think I think being in that position sort of gave me this unfair advantage to to look into the world Maybe on the inside and um I don't think it's unfair at all I think it's probably I mean if you wanted to believe in fate you know I don't believe in fate but I should if anybody should I should believe in faith I've had a pretty lucky life yeah you have yeah I don't necessarily think it's real though but I also think if you believe it's real I think there's a lot of things if you believe it's a lot of what's going on with human beings is the way the Mind perceive things and it's kind of the software you're running that's why we seek out people who are inspirational like if you watch a David Goggins video you will go work out you will go work out it will get you off your couch I guarantee you when we were running that's we would we were joking we were saying David guidance quotes while you're running about carrying the boats and all that yeah David's the [ __ ] man and there's another guy Jocko willink jock I love him too Jocko has a he has a video find Jocko good find that video there's a video that I 100 legitimately play in my mind when I'm tired I say good I say it to myself like I was in the the cold plunge the other day and I was being a [ __ ] at like two minutes and 30 seconds and I was like good listen to this video have you ever heard this it's amazing I don't think I have direct support and it's one of my guys that worked for me he would he would call me up or pull me aside with some major problems some issue that was going on and he'd say boss we got this and that the other thing and I look at him and I'd say good and finally one day he was telling me about some issue that he was having some problem and he said I already know what you're gonna say I said well what am I going to say he said you're going to say good [Music] I said that's what you always say when
something is wrong and going bad you always just look at me and say good and I said well yeah when things are going bad there's going to be some good that's going to come from it didn't get the new high-speed gear we wanted good didn't get promoted good more time to get better oh Mission got canceled good we can focus on the other one didn't get funded didn't get the job you wanted got injured sprained my ankle got tapped out good got beat good he learned unexpected problems good we have the opportunity to figure out a solution [Music] that's it when things are going bad don't get all bummed out don't get startled don't get frustrated [Music] if you can say the word good guess what it means you're still alive it means you're still breathing and if you're still breathing or no you still got some fight left in you so get up dust off reload recalibrate [Music] re-engage and go out on the attack [Music] that's what's up hmm yeah I love that yeah that's software you can run in your mind you could run that you just need to listen to it and then apply it that's real now if you don't know that software and if you know that there's a human being like Jocko out there in the world that's a real person that really does think like that that you don't think it's possible but it is so you have to be seeing it so you see it now you know you run that software run that software I don't know how much of people's depression I mean I think depression has a mosaic of problems that's associated with it and a mosaic Mosaic of causes like a large pattern there's a lot of stuff going on that causes people to be depressed some of it in your case may very well have been from a physical injury and I think I think that's a big I'd never considered that until now so I
think it's I think it's 100 connected 100 because it's it's totally in the literature you know my good friend uh Dr Mark Gordon he does a lot of work with traumatic brain injury patients and he runs the he runs this uh Wounded Warriors found it's so it's called Uh what is it called what is this is the thing that he works with with those guys Warrior angels and it's helping people with traumatic brain injuries and he's helped countless soldiers Fighters football players always people yeah and it's real similar with a lot of them yeah and that's no hope and and exactly and that's and I guess that's the that's the thing that I've learned from this um again from 18 year old Chris that thought a lot of that was just made up and people giving excuses like to what I've understand now about is again it it feels those that that place that your mind can take you it feels just as real as anything else like even if you tell yourself like you can tell yourself a hundred times that oh yeah well you still got a job you still have everything's fine it's like if I don't know it's your perception of reality becomes very distorted when you're in that place and it's um again for me I think a lot of it came down that I just knew I wasn't fulfilling whatever purpose it was I was here to fulfill you know probably didn't have any energy because you had a head injury that's probably a major factor in it yeah major factor it's another major factor in people with head injuries they drink a lot because their dopamine is really low you know like it [ __ ] up everything man and there's people that have traumatic brain injuries that are sub-concussive Trauma from playing soccer people play soccer and heading the ball it doesn't even hurt but you throttle throttle your brain in the cage over and over and over again and eventually you have TBI that's real you have real like CTE symptoms for soccer players and it's crazy but the head is just not designed to get hit yeah and I've I've experienced it with so many fighters so many guys that I know that got knocked out and then after The Knockout they're like severely depressed both because they lost it was like this even if you
lose by a decision you get depressed yeah it's a terrible feeling to lose in front of the whole world well sure yeah I mean just inherent loss in a lot of animals is a does that you know and not that's a whole nother conversation but one thing I did find from Jordan Peterson talking about the lobsters that makes me think about the fighters but it's like you lose that dopamine in that drive all those chemicals are very tightly regulated to your to your performance and your place order within the world what do you say about the lobsters again um so if yeah if two lobsters fight the defeated Lobster he loses his drive and dopamine he's like there's some ridiculous um chance that he won't win another fight like he basically just becomes a bum Lobster once he loses but they can give they can give them the same medications that they give humans to combat that like whatever anti you know they give ssris to um like I've got some close friends in veterinary medicine they they have uh cats and dogs that take SS like it just freaked out I can tell you my experience with ssris were not pleasant like all it did was just make me very numb like just just like the can like and I'm not I'm certainly like again I'm not giving anybody advice on anything but just in my personal experience especially for a guy when you're on ssris he does a lot of things bad to you for one like if you're in a relationship I like I hear this on both sides with men and women but like Good Luck Good Luck like making love with your with your lover like good luck having sex because that's out the window it messes with that it messes with your um with your thought with your thought patterns and takes away like it was very difficult for me to write music when I was on it and so I I that was a short-lived life but um the the best thing that I found that helped me other than just then just jumping into this and um making this music happen like along the way was actually I found a lot of benefits out of CBD like even smoking CBD flour um and so like that surprisingly like I I never really got benefits from the oil but I'd say if anybody is in a position
like listening to this right now where you're having like daily panic attacks and you're just like you're you're just there you know like if you're listening and you'll know what I'm talking about but you're at that like breaking point like I was uh I found smoking CBD joints like not ingesting it where we go through my system and go through my liver and all but smoking it just like he would smoke traditional cannabis flour knocked a lot of it right out interesting now it's not going to fix it there's an underlying issue that you got to figure out and address but it'll at least give you some like it gave me some very good relief from that that's amazing that's really really good to hear for people because it doesn't get you high either the right doesn't get you high yeah but it it reduces inflammation yeah um have you tried adjusting your diet well I'm good now that's what's that's what's so funny like since this has all happened haven't had a like I'm telling you again because you're on top of the world well yeah but even before like it I have to be careful with what I say because I don't like my [ __ ] stinks like I'm nobody special and I'm not here to preach anybody but I'm telling you like giving things to God uh for me alleviated 99 of what like I had a like I don't know how to describe it but when you ex when you experience and I mean you've done things that I haven't like with DMT and all and that stuff's very intriguing to me so I'm open-minded to all that as well like I'm not but yeah like I had when this when I kind of had this breakdown moment and um decided that I was going to let whatever ego I had go and just at this point is like I knew I didn't have much left in for me anyway and I wanted I wanted to serve whatever purpose it was that I was here to serve it's like you get this just overwhelming feeling and yeah I was just crying like a baby just this very like warm feeling throughout me and that um that really hasn't gone away since like I I'm not the guy that can play in front of 12 000 people on guitar I would be like I mean I had never played a paid gig when we when we played the show at the farm market where Jamie Johnson
showed up that was my first paid gig like I'm not a guy to go out and play live shows but I can tell you I was so like um I was just so at peace being up there like it just felt like that's where I was supposed to be and that and with all this it has been like there's no way that Chris from six months ago could handle what's gone on the last two weeks but I feel just so empowered from all of it and um I don't know I'm telling you like again I'm not I'm not anybody special and I'm certainly not here to preach anybody but just from coming from somebody who was just really just in a really just [ __ ] up place like and I use that word like with discretion but in this case it describes like where I was like that guy found a lot of Peace like from this book and from looking at things in a different way yeah looking at things through the eyes well yeah and I think for me it was like I had been in you know I'd been in church growing up and I had been I had been exposed to all that but I'd found a lot of um a lot of theatrics and a lot of politics in church and in religion when I was younger and so it just immediately turned me off too so if you can take us to like what was like the day you picked it up what what was the feeling that you had like what caused you to act what what was it like when you did it yeah I mean I'd been reading it here and there off and on and I had for like off and on for a long time like because I again I was introduced to it as a kid but it was really just like um um I remember I went to the I went to the ER for everything that was going on I mean I thought I was seriously going to die like I was having shooting pains up under my jaw down in my wrist and my leg like just cardiovascular 101 symptoms of course I'm 31 I had been like I could run four miles without stopping no problems like I knew my heart was strong but I'm just freaking out yeah but I went and did that and uh I remember being in the truck after that just like and I just yeah I just had a breakdown moment I was just just crying and um was just just
I just felt hopeless like like almost the way a child feels hopeless when they you know like you can't find your parent or something like a like a four-year-old that can't find his parents or something I was just like just didn't have anything left in me and um I don't know I just uh I just decided like right then and there I was like I know I can't do this anymore and but I know I know that I can I know there's things that I need to do and I just I just just told God I was like just let me do it like and I'll give all this [ __ ] up I'll give up the weed and I'll quit getting drunk and I'll quit um I'll quit being so angry about things and I'll just like I'll just call it good whatever I've done up from from up until I was 30 or whatever 31 like I will just call that good and I'll start over again and um I'll make him the focus and not me and I just tried to tried to let my let my ego and everything that I was just let that go and just focus on because because obviously like it's not just me I've seen it with even other people I know and I see it with celebrities and everything but I don't know I just feel like um we're in such a weird place right now in the world that I feel like God's working through inadvertently through certain people to get to get his point across um so take me to what what you did did you start reading the Bible like what did you do I just changed my perspective um you change I quit worrying about me and I started worrying about what what it is that I'm supposed to do you know like it talks in the Bible about um about being a servant and you know giving up I guess my desire and my will and whatever it is that I that I want to do like um I don't I don't know the best way to describe it but it's about it's about trying to use what I have as a tool versus doing what I can in the moment to give what give myself whatever satisfaction that it is I'm trying to
get you know it's about letting trying to let go of your ego I guess in a way um and I mean people people pursue that mentality without faith I mean it's the idea of there being something bigger than you but I think inherently all human beings idolize something like it talks in the Bible about false Idols we all have false Idols like whether it's our phone or it's a celebrity or it's something we do or it's our addiction to food or drugs or whatever but like it's very difficult for a human to be the biggest thing on their hierarchy there's always something above us right because we're always in pursuit of something bigger than whatever it is in that moment and I think for me it was just about taking everything else all the distractions and all the other things in my life away and just ensuring that at least and look I'm we're all we're all we all sin and we all do stupid things like we're all just people nobody's special or righteous people sometimes act like they're special and righteous but we're all just the same thing like um but it's just about trying to make that make that my idol make make make God in the concept of what it is that he once done on this Earth my idol versus anything else you know like we all serve we all serve some master whether we realize it or not so why not let it be the master that is above all and so when you made this transformation in your mind did you then start reading scripture like regularly like what did you start doing yeah well it was different well what's what really I guess it's like now I don't read it I don't read it because I feel like I should read it to be a better person it's like now I try to read it for the guidance within it and I'm still in the infancy stages of a lot of this like I've read a lot of Psalms Proverbs and Ecclesiastes and Luke and um there's other good books but just trying to I don't know like trying to restructure I guess on a granular level like I guess the neural Pathways in my brain that have certain habits and certain ways of thought like I've tried to retrain that to
um you know like there's there's things it says like uh and I'll be very brief with this I promise but like one thing ironically it's uh proverbs 4 20 which I thought you would like so if there's anything better perfect um preach my son pay attention to what I say turn your ear to my words do not let them out of your sight keep them within your heart for they are life to those who find them and help the one's whole body Above All Else guard your heart for everything you do flows from it keep your mouth free from perversity keep corrupt talk far from your lips let your eyes look straight ahead fix your gaze directly before you give careful thought to the Past for your feet and be steadfast in all your ways do not turn to the right or the left keep your foot from evil but um that's pretty [ __ ] profound but the whole Book of Proverbs is like that like it's not preachy it's not it's not what you think like it's it's like it's good guidance it's like good guidance that you would want a father to give to his son you know what what do you think it comes from like if you had to guess where do you think the Bible comes from like it was an oral tradition for who knows how many years before they ever wrote it down yeah what do you think these stories come from um why I believe that people come across in different points of time and I think they are given messages that need to be delivered and I'm not in any way trying to parallel me to anyone in any of these books by any means but I do think that throughout history like even Beyond from what's been written in this Bible there's been important people that came along and said important or maybe not not even important people sometimes it's the lowly of the low uh that come along and just say things that need to be said and if I could to me it's like there's no question that this is an intelligent planet we live on in an intelligent solar system everything is just much more immense than any human on earth would admit like even people in science so much of Science is based on Theory like it's this very elegantly
written way of thinking but It ultimately if you take it down to its like on a granular level it's very it's all in many ways based on Theory and so I think the Earth is far more intelligent than we realize in the systems that we live in like I just don't think somebody just pulled all that out of thin air I do think that in May maybe it's I've been waiting for my time to bring up the aliens because but anyway but no but in all seriousness it's like for me I just I believe that um well let me let me if you if you read through it it's so much of it is so Timeless and so much of it if you read about the rich and the poor and the wicked and the way just the inherent human behavior that existed at the time when these books were written back then it's so parallel to what goes on today like to the point that you wouldn't if you just read it out of context and didn't know it was Scripture A lot of it sounds like something somebody wrote two hours ago and posted on a on a vlog or whatever it's like it's to me there is no other book like it have you paid any attention to Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and their theories about the restarting of humanity it's a really fascinating um field of of inquiry and discussion because it's now starting over time to be backed up by more science because there was always this curiosity like when did the human race first invent civilization and the current theory is that it was about six thousand years ago it's Mesopotamia it's uh um Sumer and these areas which is where we found the first written language like first mathematics cuneiform language but what they believe is that's a restarting of civilization and that very likely civilization existed at a very very high level somewhere around 11 800 years ago and that what caused the end of the Ice Age also caused uh just a mass destruction all throughout the universe or all throughout the Earth rather of uh particles from space slamming into the Earth that the earth goes through these Comet storms period radically and it happens I think it's every June and every November and when they go through
these clouds of comets occasionally we get hit by big ones and there's a lot of evidence for this and what they believe is that what when you're looking at like the ancient Egyptian structures when you're looking at some structures in turkey and other parts of the Middle East you're looking at things that are older than 12 000 years old yeah well and I I agree with that I think that it's obvious that technology existed that we don't know anything about today just the construction of the pyramids alone leaned you to that like somehow or another they were able to do that and they were able to do that with immense sophistication and insane capabilities the ability to move Stone from hundreds of miles that weighs tons of massive Stones cut perfectly stacked on top of each other two million three hundred thousand of them that are perfectly due north south east and west yeah that's that's the craziest thing is that they they could understand and that that scale like the technology was almost we don't understand what they were doing we it's it's alien and not alien like human being not like like non-human beings I think they were human beings that made it but I think to us they went in a Direction with their technology that's very different than we did we went in this weird direction of internal combustion engines and silicone chips and all these different things I think it's very likely that they had comparable if not better technology but it moved in a completely different direction whether it was using sound or vibration or some other completely undiscovered technology that we have yet to invent that was wiped out when civilization was knocked into barbarism and I think that's one of the reasons why you go back into early history people were so [ __ ] Savage because I think that the people that survived that 11 800 years ago event I think whatever was left was like [ __ ] Walking Dead and I think people lived a horrible life for a long time and I think it was thousands of years of this until we emerged from that and finally started Reinventing Agriculture and cities and all these different things again so I think the the 6 000 year ago Mark I think if I had to guess I would imagine that is the first example of a rebuild of civilization that took thousands of
years I think Slaughter it wouldn't surprise me if all that doesn't happen again like it could easily yeah but again if we get hit that was one of the initial things that really intrigued me reading in I think it's um it talks about it in Ecclesiastes but that that everything that's happened under the sun has already happened before and will happen again the generations that are yet to come will be forgotten about those that come after them like it's I think just in the same way that we have that we have a summer and a fall and a winter in the spring it's like I think Human Society just because of our our human nature and like our Pursuit for whatever it is that we want to like our we just love to create and develop and like so we'll we shoot all the way up to the top and then some tragedy comes along whether it's whether it's self-inflicted or from from comets or whatever and then there we go right back down to the bottom we start over again and yeah like there is a lot of weird things like they've discovered a lot in South America recently because of new technology like the civilizations that existed down there that we had no idea but like Graham Hancock's who knows what who knows what's went on even just on this ground in years past that we'll never know about oh yeah for sure well we know quite a bit about Texas which is a fascinating story and it's of its own but you know what's really fast in New World Texas is they were dominating like these nomadic tribes or dominating this land for hundreds of years where people couldn't even settle down there's an amazing book called Empire of the summer Moon that's all about Texas and the Comanches and the Texas Rangers crazy stories just crazy but I think you I think what the Bible is saying Rings true and that if people you know they just understood the history of the past from when they wrote the Bible they had to have known massive catastrophes they had to but they believe that's what the story of the flood is from the the flood from Noah's Ark and and even from the Epic of Gilgamesh which is uh even older it's like they have these similar kind of stories and they think that these similar kind of stories relate to the immense flooding that occurred after impact they think that after impact well they know that at one point in time the
United States half of it was covered with at least like a mile of ice some places it was more than a mile which is just insane to think to think now standing here and looking straight up for a mile cover and Ice yeah I mean how is how can you even wrap your head around that it's so difficult to even imagine and what's even yeah it's crazy to think about it existing then but also that like that's I guess when I talk about the intelligence of like whatever system it is we live in the fact that the Earth is able to self-correct itself over a period of time it's like no matter and even today when we see cycles and things happening it's like I I don't know that I'm sure that we could destroy the Earth if with some of the technology we have now like I've I fear that we don't that this this sort of proxy war that we've involved ourselves in doesn't escalate into something bigger because we could really we could wipe Society out indefinitely but um we were talking about this yesterday with Peter Berg he's uh director actor he's got did Lone Survivor made that movie made that painkiller show that's on Netflix and he did a tour of one of those battleships and he saw the the missiles that could carry nuclear warheads he's like what the [ __ ] like one of these ships could literally Wipe Out the whole Earth it's so Bonkers it's so Bonkers that these things exist and that there's thousands of them thousands thousands of them ready to go and this is just flatten the planet that probably has happened before and if I had it if I had to look at things with the most optimistic perspective my most beautiful optimistic perspective is that's what the aliens are here for that's the beautiful one is that life exists everywhere in the universe and that it's a very complicated process of evolving from territorial Apes to becoming these Intergalactic Travelers that have no ego and and don't display irrational behavior and work for whatever purpose because that's where it gets weird it's like if you don't have emotions you have jealousy and envy and love love and lust and all the things to fight against and all the things to fight for if you don't have those things like what is purpose what
is our purpose as humans it's very terrifying for us it's one of the reasons why we're most scared about technological innovation where it comes it's a Terminator you know that's everything all these things that we create that wind up killing us and that we are somehow or another purposeless if we don't have all these things that we cling to like love and fear and anxiety and jealousy and and you know and all the stuff that we want we want to be praised and loved and all these different things that that motivate people to succeed and do things in life without that what are we that's a big question but with it how dangerous are we we do use it in so many different beautiful ways like your music or like uh you know like a great book or like and there's ways that people use this that are that are beautiful but it's ultimately the reason why life is so scary it's ultimately why why During the period of mass communication During the period of exchange of information worldwide which has occurred from the start of the 20th century to where we are in the 21st century we've never had a time where we could communicate with mass amounts of people better but it's still we're at the verge of nuclear catastrophe it's still we're still in this very terrifying place where one group of people for some reason another opposes like I don't know anyone in Russia I don't know anyone in China the idea that somehow or another China is my enemy or Russia is my enemy like how how did that happen yeah well the people there aren't exactly yeah exactly so they're establishments and enemy of our establishment right the idea that what the human mind is capable of in creating great art and great music is also capable of dominating massive groups of people through tyranny we have to be very careful because that same thing that makes us this emotional being with that wants all these weird feelings that's the same thing that leads us down the road to tyranny and I bet that exists everywhere oh yeah I bet the aliens if they're coming down here they want to be very careful with the species while it's going through this transition because I bet this [ __ ] is very touch and go and I bet every now and then some [ __ ] Putin type
character goes oh yeah yeah NATO [ __ ] you I have cancer [ __ ] you dude yeah that's all so complicated because yeah yeah like scary all that starts with someone's imagination like every all these it all starts and that's on the other end of that though to your point it's like that's that's what I I find so important about freedom of speech and the ability for people to have good honest conversations because you can imagine the mind is just as capable of creating good as it is evil I think yeah I think right now maybe we're creating a little more evil than we are good but uh oh I don't think so I think things can I think things can turn around just as quickly as they've turned bad as far as on a global scale I don't think we're creating more evil than we are good I think if you look at the statistics of History human history we're moving in the right direction even though there's a lot of struggle it's not like a perfect curve it goes up and down but over time if you look at just violent crime and horrible things that people do to each other it's down almost everywhere in the world where it was a hundred years ago and I think it's moving in that general direction I just think it's it's messy human beings are we've we've we [ __ ] up a lot to get better and we have to things have to like like I was having a conversation with a friend about uh Nordstrom's closing in San Francisco they get robbed so much they're just like we have to close up it's so San Francisco's so crazy it's so [ __ ] crazy and and the person I was talking to was like good that they'll have to reassess now they have to realize their policies are crazy and they're going to have to put someone in here that fixes it and I'm like yeah or it becomes like a third world city like well that's the crazy like violent crime-ridden city that's controlled by gangs like that could happen too what do you feel like see to me I perceive that as being a symptom like what's the what do you think the problem is like I mean I know the easy answer is it's the people that run the government in California that if that if like made it into this atrocity that it is that it wasn't maybe 15 or 20
years ago but like there's also a big problem too with like homelessness and drugs and like while cynical me wants to think that there's a conspiracy cynical think me wants to think that if you create more Prime more problems more crime more confusion then people will give in to more control by the government to somehow or another mitigate those problems that exist everywhere there has to be a solution this is the only solutions that you have to have a digital ID you take it everywhere you go everyone has a cell phone so everyone has a digital ID that way we'll catch everyone when they're doing all these crimes that's scary and you've got yeah I'm not going to use it for that and then they're going to make up crimes they're going to decide that you saying things that they don't like that may even be true like Mal information like that's a crime and then they'll shut down your social media and look what we saw that during this the the Twitter files investigation from uh when Twitter first was purchased by Elon Musk and he let these journalists go over all the emails they're like holy [ __ ] the FBI is telling people to delete tweets yeah like this is nuts again it goes back to Freedom they yeah I can see that there's there is a power at Bay that wants to limit Free Speech sure people that have money that are that that are making money off of suppressing information and free speech is such a precious thing like that's something that that if we have anything if we have something precious a resource that needs to be protected more than anything right now it's freedom of speech it's a very important thing for this country and you know I've said it many many times but it's the reason why this country has created so much culture the reason why there's so much and you and you've seen that you've seen that like spread out throughout the world like to your point like a hundred years ago a lot of the even a lot of these countries they're dealing with they've got radical politicians that are locking them down and taking away their rights and like yeah all that's happened within the last 10 or 15 years maybe but in general like the whatever craziness that we established here like arguably the first country I guess you'd say in modern
history that had some form of democracy and some form of involvement of citizens deciding what it is they want to what the world they want to live in like that's spread out like you see most all countries have some sort of you don't see a lot of kings and dictators running countries anymore they have an election cycle now whether or not it's all credible or not I don't know but yeah the idea that like Sovereign people can live in a land and decide what it is that they want for themselves as something that like has not existed it has not existed for a very long period of time in the world and it is precious that we hold to it and I guess going back to my point earlier about the federal government and state and local level it's like I just think there needs to be more strength within local communities as far as people making decisions and uniting with one another and you know I had I've had a lot of people I'm the I'm when an ugly Ginger is walking around like everybody's like oh is it that guy and so I've had a lot of people stop me on the street and then parking decks and at the airport and at the hardware store and like you know how many times I've had now I've at least a dozen times now I've had people tell me that they're talking to people they haven't talked to in five or six years that they got pissed over politics about and just this message that's coming out has given them and like I know a guy um in my own personal life he hasn't talked to his brother in six years because they disagreed over Trump and Biden and and even prior to that like they just left and right which one was the Biden guy uh the guy the guy I hang out with is uh because obviously I like I live out in the country I own guns you know like I am the people in my neck of the woods are not uh despite what they may say on yeah despite what they might say on a news organization somewhere like a lot of the people I hang out with in the the area of the country I live in is is stereotypically red right um because a lot of people will vote no matter what other influences there are a lot of people will vote conservative just because of their second amendment rights which is
very much under attack in Virginia you know like you remember when you're at the sanctuary cities and all this all the counties that decided well even if the federal government bans this we're not going to enforce it type of a thing which is crazy to see like in our time um but yeah he so he voted he was a big Trump guy and and he watched his certain news organization and then the other guy was for Biden and he watched his news organization and so they just basically picked up whatever narratives they got from each other's news and they would just you know they let that destroy it literally a uh a friendship yeah they were brothers yeah biological brothers and so so dumb that's uh that's not good for us as a country like this well it's not it's not a wise thing to just apply to your life as a human being you can have people in your life that have disagreements with you I have people in my life that disagree with me on so many things absolutely on politics absolutely you know especially like when I was a Bernie Sanders supporter you know there's so many people they're like you're a [ __ ] idiot like listen I I would like to try it that way let's try some guy who doesn't want war at all let's try some guy who wants to take a certain percentage off speculation um uh trades in uh the Wall Street where they're doing these and they're running a tiny fraction of a penny for each one of them and he's saying it would generate an insane amount of money that could be applied to education that could be applied to health care you could give people free health care you could give people free education well why wouldn't we do that if you got some guy who doesn't want to divert money to these [ __ ] forever Wars and instead wants to apply it to communities I was like let's give that a chance maybe it won't work I don't know jack [ __ ] about politics but I sincerely believe the guy and I'm like that to me is at least an option for Change and that guy had been the same guy his whole life he had been always pushing for that his whole life he's kind of gotten tired in his later years but that's just understandable he's kind of like supported yeah and so you you believing in someone shouldn't yeah it shouldn't suspend your
friendships or relationships with other people like that it's just you're hanging out with dummies people should have like I have many friends that are Trump supporters I have many friends that wholesale believe in the Democratic party no matter what it's a million times better no matter what anybody says and no matter what anybody says about the Bible I've seen a lot of families a million people change that now though in recent years like even people who were hardcore conservatives and hardcore Democrats like I don't think whatever whatever a republican a Democrat was represented at some point in time is anymore like both both sides have I mean like I said I'm a I love freedom of speech and I love the Second Amendment but um there's a lot of things that I see that I don't like I mean you got to think I'm 31 so I was in fourth grade at 9 11. so we've been we were an endless war from 9 11 on and um you know even when we shouldn't have been like so both sides have like just picked up on things and ran with it but they use certain emotional triggers to like keep their fan base happy you know like the like oh they're gonna take your guns and the other side they've got all their emotional triggers and their things that they're trying to feed their audience with but I guess like at the end of the day the it doesn't it doesn't help either side to pick like no in my opinion no one's no one no one can go into that position in politics in the white house or anything else for that matter at this point because of how just inefficient how large the federal government is I don't think anybody can go into those positions and overnight save everything they can certainly make big influences I mean you saw when Trump was in office the economy was rocking but then other things he did you know like this thing like warp speed and all that like that there was a lot of controversy around all of that and so well he would have to be a vaccine scientist even understand what they were doing and imagine being him well and this is not to defend Donald Trump but imagine being him and being in control of all of it you're in control of the
economy you're in control of Foreign Relations you're in control of the biggest military the world has ever known you're in the public eye you're tweeting about your ex-girlfriend being horse raced like it's like yeah I don't think one person can do [ __ ] going on in that guy's life do you think that he had the time to investigate the efficacy of the covid vaccines that were this novel mRNA technology that have never been applied to hundreds of millions of people and you had to trust the CDC and fauci and all those people like how could he know and that's and that's a good example of why I don't think that one I don't think we can we we can or should rely on one person to save all save us on all those issues it's something we've got to work out on it's a personal level you know well it's insane it it was invented back when people lived in tribes so you had a tribe of 50 people you want that old guy he's got a lot of scars in his face he knows how to run [ __ ] he knows what to do wrong he knows what to do right he survived all of his brothers died you know like those guys are the guys you want teaching younger people it's like you were talking about with older folks that was the whole idea of a tribal leader like this was The Greatest Warrior this is the smartest Chief this is the person who's like they can lead us and they want nothing but good for us because they love us because they know us but I don't know you he don't know you none of them you don't know he don't know you he don't care he just wants to get up there and says it says speech the right way and then they give him ice cream and then he sits down like and then do you see that the woman who's the White House Press Secretary and now I don't know if it's true so we should find out if it's true did she or did she not accidentally delete a Biden tweet from her account so it was a tweet as president I ran for president when she accidentally posted it on her she accidentally posted it on the wrong I want to find out that's true though because that could be Russian disinformation because that's true too here's one of the reasons why free speech is so important in this country given the parameters of social media is because we know that foreign interests are interfering with our discourse we
know it it's proven that there's troll Farms they have in Macedonia I'm sure they have them in China they have troll Farms where people create accounts and then they argue with people about stuff and they'll post links to fake stories and they'll post fake information they may even post [ __ ] AI voice swap [ __ ] but what they're doing is trying to get people arguing about stuff trying to get people to diminish their faith in democracy trying to get people at each other's throats from the right and the left it's manipulated and think about who that benefits investing in America means investing in all of America when I ran for president I made a promise that I would leave no part of the country behind so she did do it she really did tweeted from her account is that real oh my God oh my God she really did do it oh my God that's so crazy so of course when you read his tweets it sounds like her like she's got a very politician way of doing it there's she's like an AM radio DJ an AM radio DJ that's her job right like version of what a press secretary is yeah like a politician because you know I am all right here we are on the drive I'm Mike and I'm with the rock you know or whatever with the [ __ ] sidekick and maybe that's what attracted people to Trump and maybe what attracts people to like um thank God I haven't especially now at least I've got a good excuse not to keep up with politics anymore because I've got a few other more important things on my plate but I think that's what attracts people to like that rough raw authentic type of speech like it's not clean cut and it's not professional but it's at least like you said even with Bernie which who knows I don't know anything about Bernie but he's not polished but at least what he's saying is like at least you feel like he actually like at least he actually believes it because you look at Paul you can look at petitions over a 15-year span and like they'll quote something from like oh good God thank anybody any politician from the 90s is going to have a lot different opinions on emotional triggers that we talk about today politicians from the 90s every Democratic party sound like totally different yeah they sound like Nazis
Biden passed the crime bill in 94 there's this famous speech that he gives about locking people up so that his wife is safe and so that oh yeah they're safe and that I'm safe and it's just it sounds like right ring like proud boy speech it's [ __ ] crazy it sounds like uh Patriot speech would you worry about malicious saying I don't I don't I know very little about any of this but my understanding is even I know for sure with Hillary Clinton but I think even with Obama originally their stance was very much against gay marriage and then they flipped around she didn't support gay marriage till 2013. yeah 2003 13. so like how can those have some cigars you're going to bust out your first cigarette yeah so this is exciting uh so like I said a fan gave me these at a show but yeah so that's that's the thing I just hope I hope to see the fan gave you these how do we know they're not laced with friends well I'm gonna let you it's gonna go the way I'm gonna let you try it first God damn it oh they're sealed it definitely has to be real if it's sealed in plastic and it says it's from Cuba so it must be from Cuba I should have brought the note with them to give the guy a shout out that's my fault but he's a cool guy he's uh well hey cool guy thanks for the cigars I hope you're not poisoning me bro we're gonna find out shortly here these are supposedly the real ones from Cuba but you know how hard that is to get like the real ones yeah a lot there's a lot of fake ones it's one of those things where for whatever how do you tell the difference you don't I'm not a Cigar Aficionado I like cigars I can't even open a box I suck um I'm not a uh I I like them but I don't know jack [ __ ] about him like my friend Bobby Kelly he knows a lot about cigars he can tell you all that [ __ ] and he can he can answer all these questions but I know the good ones these taste good and they feel good like there's something about you piece of [ __ ] sorry we should have done this okay I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong I'm just trying to slice open this little cover with my sweaty hands come on [ __ ] God damn it this is hilarious maybe he set us up yeah maybe he did maybe it's a bomb
maybe it is he said he's given us a bomb maybe it's a sign passes through security yeah maybe it's a sign that we uh I'm trying to preserve the looks of this box I'm out the window oh I'm not worried about that yeah but everybody likes boxes in the cigar world people like um they like the whole thing behind it they're like cutting the cigar and smelling it and they're like knowing that it came from some laughs and this is hilarious they like the experience of it yeah I don't know why I can't get into this box this is brutal it appears that this is a fake box we'll have to start we'll have to uh have to plan that out better next time yeah man for real maybe I should give this to Jamie and he'll figure it out you can see the seal in a different spot do you I think the top flips up oh you're right God damn it that's hilarious that's how dumb I am how do I not know this it's up here so these [ __ ] and then you cut it along this way I thought there's a line in it and I thought that that line was the seal this will be like a perfect YouTube short of us trying to get the Box open no it'll take too long it's not short anymore I'm just not short this is way too long this is pathetic come on [ __ ] maybe they are maybe they've been packaged away for 50 years no these can't be that old there you go look at that awesome so I split the Box this [ __ ] does not want to open the wrong side I don't know it isn't anymore that's the right side there we go oh look there you go that's the wrong side Jesus Christ beautiful awesome I want to smell that that's what you gotta do you gotta smell this is what they do they take them they put them by their nose that smells good look at that now we're gonna have to find out if these are fake how do you know um Bill Burr says you just know you know I got some real ones yeah yeah [ __ ] no are you supposed to leave this on or slide this off uh that's personal preference wow do you believe
them on let's slide them off they seem a little ostentatious a little ridiculous for a regular guy like yourself I mean yeah yeah for a joke foreign people you're gonna have to do that by yourself because you got to kind of suck on it while you're doing that real cigar people will tell you what you're really supposed to do before you even suck on it is roll the Flames around the end so you should probably do it correctly because I didn't they'll get mad yeah you do that you get a little cooked kind of get it a little burned up get a little cooked there you go now put it in your mouth and light it and suck on at the same time and then you get a nice nice bow that's that's yeah I feel like I need to get some bull horns for the hood of my truck now bro these might be legit can I see that here we go these are good you think they're good I mean they seem good to me but I wouldn't know the difference yeah like I said I'm not an expert I don't even know how to open a box but um they're good in that uh they're smooth they're very smooth so if it really is from Cuba there's only like there's it's a very small area where they grow these Cuban cigars what's it called or something like that what is the area of Cuba it's like but it's a very like surprisingly small area where they grow the best cigars and it's just something about the soil that makes in the climate and everything's perfect but they grow really good cigars in Nicaragua they grow really good cigars in the Dominican Republic It's kind of now it's like you know it's funny because I um I've never really been interested in the cigars but you know who one of my favorite guys on YouTube is um Dry Creek Wrangler school I don't know if you've watched that yeah I have watched I love watching him and he's kind of gotten me interested in trying them out this is well now you're trying them uh well how do you say that well that's the area so that one area just has bomb ass soil and they figured out a long time ago they grow the dopest
cigars there do you know that when the Embargo happened with Cuba JFK ordered a [ __ ] ton of cigars before the Embargo what a dirty bird what a dirty bird even the one guy that we love the most that was his insider trading that dirty bird he went out and got like how many boxes do you get 1200 1200 cigars 1200. I know that there was like an auction at one point in time for his humidor I think it actually still had some of a cigar see if you could find that maybe I'm imagining that humidor auction pops up JFK humidor option 2017 no one on sale that's right uh 575 thousand dollars dude 500 imagine what a baller you have to be to be sitting there with like your tiger dick tea you know smoking Rhino horn like whatever whatever what other things do you have like a thousand year old bottle of wine and uh if I hold on in my boots long enough maybe that's what they'll sell for 100 no you have to keep them in you have to just get them resold come on man you already broke in the best part if you can get a good pair of boots and like break them in my favorite boots are made by this company origin this is company that uh Jocko's a part of and they make everything American made their factories in Maine everything the leather the cloth the threads everything and they make handmade boots handmade jeans Jiu Jitsu gear hunting gear it's [ __ ] awesome it's all like under like Jocko's leadership and and Pete the other guy runs it I'm excited I hope to meet Jaco one day he's another he's another YouTube guy love to go go do a hunt or something like that that'd be pretty cool I don't think I don't have you hunted before yeah well my uh that's what a lot of guys in the comments were saying on the Richmond north of Richmond video they're like I don't think that tree stand is going to be we're very good this year with all that screaming and shouting y'all were doing that yeah I hunt on my land and I let people come in and hunt it I'm not I don't run dogs or anything but that's real popular in Virginia so we'll do our thing at like early season and then we let the we let the club come in and run dogs at the end of the year you know that's very
controversial in Virginia there's like you want to talk about Coke and Pepsi politics like that's definitely part of it you got people are very opposed to running dogs and you got some guys that just it's like a such a long tradition you know those two Clash together um but as far as like any of the big game like the stuff we were checking out and I'd love to I'd love to experience that once that'd be great so do you use dogs to catch deer or what do you run the deer they run the deer yeah so they they um they use them just to get the deer moving which again I don't I don't know enough about it one way or the other um but Virginia's got got a really healthy deer population All Things Considered like I just think people think it's cruel you know people think it's cruel when they do that with mountain lions too but I was trying to explain to something listen to somebody if you don't do that you don't get mountain lions like you're not gonna find them they're they're they know you are coming long before you have any idea they're there and they're gone and they're smart see I don't know if I'd want to kill a mountain lion I think I just want to like see this is one thing people give me hell about but like we've got um on my property we've got coyotes and bear and bobcat and we get them on camera a lot like there's a huge bear we kept getting um June and July I was like man I don't I don't think I'd want to shoot him I think I'd want to just just admire him and let him go I don't know like I'm just funny about that like uh well there's nothing wrong with not wanting to shoot an animal you know and if you don't want to shoot a bit look I've eaten bear I've hunted bear bear tastes good you can eat bear but it's not my favorite thing to eat it's not but it is also an animal that has to be managed yeah the thing about biological management this is the uncomfortable truth of it you have to have a balance there's Wildlife biologists they observe populations and they want to enact some sort of a balance of predator and prey and when you have an overabundance of predators in areas that are um like when you have hunting that's off limits
you create a really dangerous imbalance and they did that in all places of in New Jersey the governor of New Jersey ran on this platform of stopping the bear hunt in New Jersey because a lot of people in New Jersey they live in urban environments like Newark and you know like Hackensack and like that's where the population is and they're like oh we don't want you vote I mean voting to kill bears why would you kill bears what they don't understand is like rural New Jersey has the highest bear per capita in the country there's more black bears in New Jersey than any other state which is so nuts per capita I wonder why that is because they're [ __ ] everywhere there and there's not a lot of hunting you know so they had a bear um season and uh this uh Governor came in and stopped it it was part of the things that he ran on and then when he got into office he realized after a while like oh my God we have to kill these Bears because like human bear interactions are growing up a kid at Rutgers got killed oh that's a [ __ ] bear like he was out in the woods near the campus and he got [ __ ] slaughtered see I always wonder if I'm gonna get I think the Bobcats psyched me out more than anything I was the bear I'm okay with like I feel like they'll leave me well enough alone but um until they don't I remember even when I when I first bought the place like right after I closed on it because I'd had um I my house before that I had a house with five acres and like had the little Homestead thing going and we had like you know some basic stuff horses and chickens and that's cool um but I knew I wanted more land and with everything the way everything is like there they're not making any more of it you know so I said I'll go ahead and um and that that caused that caused a lot of controversy uh with my better half and I because she thought I was crazy that I was selling our like our comfortable house we're living in to go buy it land and stick a freaking camper on it until we can afford to build something but man it's I remember my first weekend it was Memorial Day weekend of 2019 was like the first time I slept out there and I'd heard I knew what a coyote was but I'd never heard a bobcat at night and it was me and the dogs and we were
tent camping out there and it was like two in the morning it was a bobcat like right on us doing that no you know the noise they make what is the noise like sounds like a like a demented baby crying I don't know that'd be it'd be cool to hear if people haven't heard it but it was and the dogs saying we ended up leaving in the middle of night because my dogs wouldn't stop barking but um the Bobcats are the only thing out there really freaks me out like one of them jumping on you I don't think they attack people though let me hear this [ __ ] whoa it sounds a lot wilder than that maybe it'll get going they live up to 12 years in the wild yeah that Jesus Christ oh I saw links once in Canada it's [ __ ] cool it's just weird to see some wild cat up in Alberta in the woods I was like whoa that thing is [ __ ] cool they have like cool paws like to get around the snow yeah it's just wild that there's a cat up there you know when you think about cats at least I do I always think about like warm environments like tropical cats yeah you know I'm really I'm excited to uh what is this one Bobcat attacks coyote oh Jesus stopped it before I saw it it ran away I thought you got him whoa try to get him wow Bobcats tried to kill coyotes he's just hiding in the [ __ ] grass look at them he's just trying to kill anything he can imagine evidence things like that everything that comes close to you you want to eat that's a cat you know that's one thing I am excited with the opportunity I've been given with all this is I I do want to travel more and get out into nature in different places this is my first time on the I've never left the East Coast oh right this is my first time in Texas but this is my holy [ __ ] this is my first time any farther west than I think the farthest west I've ever been is Tennessee so um I'd love to go I and I don't know what'll happen with me next year like everybody wants to pull me in 10 different directions and um but I'm just I've always just been drawn to Nature and and being connected to it and so like I'm sure we'll do some big shows and we'll do some things next year but
my heart is just pulling me I just excited to go experience like like I the first time I go to Wyoming and stuff like I'm just that's gonna be it for me like just getting to see that experience I've never I've seen it on on the internet but it's pretty stunning like and up and I've watched all these videos in Canada my one of my favorite YouTubers is camping with Steve and my it draws my wife crazy when because like anytime we want to watch something at night it's always I always want to watch camping with Steve but he's a guy up in Canada and he goes and does all these obscure like different types of camps different places but just some of the area he explores up there in Canada just awesome it's just like yeah I've got it I've got to try it out for myself Wilderness like that when you're looking at mountains and stuff like that if it's some kind of medicine for for the human mind this is something about the awe-inspiring beauty of it and just the vastness of it it's like it like sets you at ease in some strange way it also is very lonely it's weird that it's like because you realize like oh I'm not important at all but I mean you're out there in the woods you're like I'm not important yeah well you realize like um yeah and maybe that's part of what I was trying to convey earlier in my words too but it's like you realize that yeah there's whatever problems and issues you've in your mind have sort of perceived to be top ranking like they really are irrelevant you know they really are and the bigger scheme of things like um it's a beautiful thing when you can because you find you really find peace in that but yeah there's something about being out in nature I don't know like I've read all these things about you know there's this whole kind of hippie spiritual side to being out in nature but there really is something just very peaceful about it like um and I've I found that even on my property being able to just be out there in the woods just helped me tremendously with everything um you know I've been reading about like these different these different like Healing Centers and camps and things that they're using to try to um it's for people like that are
get just getting out of rehab centers or PTSD or whatever but like they they have a lot some of these non-profit organizations where they take people out into that environment and there's it's they found a lot of benefit in it for people but um I'm looking forward to getting the experience just different parts of the country and even outside of the country like it's if I think if I get anything out of this like there's anything I'm really excited about it's just getting to Camp different places yeah that's cool man that's a beautiful thing to look forward to that's smart you got your head on right this is gonna be fun for you dude you're gonna have a good time yeah you're gonna have a good time I'm having a good time now so this is cool it's crazy overwhelming I'm sure I mean I can't imagine what it's like to be you I got a nice slow trickle of Fame yeah you could just just like I got like like a snake venom like get a little bit more all the time tolerate a little bit more you get to a point you can still be yourself that's where it gets weird you know you're just gonna you're just gonna get a lot of people pulling at you but you don't have to wait so there's been a lot of good people come out of the woodwork like big names you know like um that's got to be cool people that have given me like very good there's I won't I don't want to say his name on here and disrupt this privacy but there's one guy in particular that um like Well everybody's seeing me meet him at one point if that gives you a hand at all but he's just a really good dude I didn't see you meet anybody yeah one of the shows you know uh a show yeah at one of the shows yeah and one of your shows he uh yeah talking about Jamie Johnson no yeah I can't say any names but okay he's been a yeah he's just a he's everything you think he is but he's just been a big help um that's awesome like almost kind of a I don't know if you'd want to say a father figure in the industry but like there's been some very good-hearted people like with despite all the craziness and all the people that have come out like just clawing at me like that uh movie we were talking about the beginning you know like uh there's been a lot of that there's also been a lot of
just really down-to-earth people that have um that just have the interest of me trying to trying to preserve whatever it is I've created here and turn it into something to keep to help me keep me on the train tracks you know it's just a while it has been a wild couple weeks but like I said it's been a lot of fun you're handling it really well you are and you're handling the controversy and the criticism and the hit pieces you handled it all I love it like yeah just hey look let them talk just they don't even realize they're working for you they're just making you more popular well the thing is is like yeah I see a lot of the negative stuff online but man if you if you read through my my emails and my social media messages and the people I've talked to on the street like there's no question that there's no question that the majority of people perceive it in the way that I hope that it was that it would be perceived yeah no question no question you know if you think about that you no matter what you do you can't make everybody happy no matter what you do no matter who it is there's always going to be people that don't like it it's in everything in in music and comedy and literature and films there's always going to be people that don't like things you like it's always going to be people and that's okay that's okay just don't have to read it like the thing is about your things that people are gonna people are gonna write about you now like you don't want to like inject that negativity into your mind so just don't read it you'll have to read it like it's so they they don't like you said this so they think you said of that it should have done this oh yeah shut up yeah it's funny though like I but they're allowed to do that too that's that's that's their job yeah and and like and that's what I've said even with people at certain organizations that I strongly disagree with that have reached out trying to do interviews or even some of the people that have come out to hit pieces and I'm like look I respect what you're trying to do same way with the people in the music industry that have approached me it's like I don't necessarily want to work with the
organization but I respect you for what you're doing yeah I mean they're just trying to earn an income just like anybody else you know and they're stuck in a system everybody's got a boss you know yeah if you're doing a show on CNN you're you're in a system that's what you're doing you know you work for a system there's no way around that you are part of a gigantic corporation that is a very specific kind of news that it does and you're you're told how you're supposed to do this and you're hired accordingly and you know what your job is and it's not it's not you representing you and um I think what you're your music one of the reasons why I represented or why it resonated rather with people is because it represents them it represents humans like a real human being this isn't just some [ __ ] hit written by AI right this is a real human why don't I read on the internet that it was you probably could but I don't think you'd put the fudge rounds in there yeah that doesn't seem like AI would be that creative it made those things rhyme it's uh it's funny that that was one that was the most controversial I really thought when I because it's funny like to just I guess if I just to tell the story about the song and How It Was Written it was like I had the first again this that song to me we weren't even I was I didn't even want to record that song when Draven from Radio WV came down he had hit me up on a Thursday about coming to do the the recording and um I'd watched a lot of radio WV like um Logan Halstead and a few of the Nolan Taylor like those guys are just there's some of my recent favorites and they they were all sort of debuted on his channel and so I've been watching him for years and um a guy gave a guy on Tick Tock got me in contact with him and so he called me on a Thursday he wanted to come that Saturday and record and I only had the first half of Richmond north of Richmond even written it was on my it was on my Tick Tock I was sitting in my bathroom like just half-heartedly singing through the word I didn't even know if I was gonna just when stuff comes in my head a lot of times I would just post part of it online just to like to get it out there you know very casually and
everybody in the comments was like oh you got to finish this one Whatever and then Draven was insistent that we needed to do that song because I didn't my f my top song in my head was ain't got a dollar ain't got a dollar and I want to go home or like two of my favorites so I just threw the rest of the song Together uh I finished it the day we recorded it around 6 30 on a Saturday and I had had the song finished at like three o'clock on a Saturday so it was very thrown together had no idea that was going to be the one wow um and Alex I was a little reluctant to even record it because I was like I'm not really an Anthem song kind of guy a lot of my other songs are different than that so I mean I'm glad he I'm glad he had the insight to tell me to do it but uh yeah it's just kind of funny the way it was thrown together but really I thought when we uploaded the song I thought the controversy and it was going to be more around the first line in the second verse than anything about minors on an island somewhere like I thought that was that one people got upset about too what's interesting is someone left people on the left got upset about that one like why is he talking about minors or not why wouldn't you be talking about it that's a real thing that's that's a real thing that's horrible like why wouldn't why would that be a thing that's controversial to sing about and how why would it be like something that left-wing people would be upset about like what happened I hope that people will I hope and I've seen it happen like um a lot of people like I want to go home I've seen that one's got like some million views on it and whatever and that's awesome but yeah Richmond north of Richmond isn't really even my my favorite pick like my fa and I I'll get a better version uploaded of it at some point right now it's just off my phone but like I'd say my favorite song that talks about like class and politics in the world and like the way I perceive it it's probably dog on it like dog on it's probably my favorite out of any of them um so I'm excited to like get those songs released in a more professional format The Way
Richmond or the Richmond is and I've got notebooks just full of stuff written down so I've got a lot of ideas of new songs that I want to work on so I'm really excited to get and and I hope that like it's good that we did this interview and that we got to get on here and talk but I'm not I don't want to talk a whole lot anymore I don't think like you don't have I'm not a talker I'm a I'm a writer and so I hope moving forward that I'll just be able to communicate with people just through music and not worry so much about doing interviews and stuff like that because well I think you made an excellent account of yourself and people are going to understand who you really are and you know and it's a cool story it's fun I think more people are going to be behind you now than even before they'll get a sense of this is a magical thing for you and it's beautiful and if it can happen to you if you can pursue a dream and and do this other people can do things that are very similar exactly I mean if there's if there is a message to get out of all of this it's just that you don't need anybody to do to to do what it is you want to do like I'm just a guy that wrote some songs I took I recorded them on my phone I uploaded them through distro kid and like here I am and um it doesn't matter what your Pursuit is like you don't need some Big Industry fancy schmancy whatever to back you up to do it you just want you just gotta go do it you know and I think there's so many people that are like and I know people like that that are very good at things but they say oh I'm not good and like the the fear holds a lot of people back from being successful you know you're afraid of your your fear of failure will will keep you from being successful all day long so I hope that if anything that resonates out of this it's that that people just do what you want to do and don't worry about if people are going to like it or not they probably are you know and if they don't make something better yeah who cares no they don't yeah well hey brother thank you very much for coming in here um congratulations on everything enjoy the ride you're gonna be fine yeah and always fun we'll do it again in a couple years yeah that sounds good all right all right cool sounds good brother good luck to you yeah all
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