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The jogan Experience what do you think the UFO phenomenon is yeah so I think first of all that there are a lot of different varieties of it but when we look at like we were looking at the Francis of a CCE and the kind of historical things and the abductions and things like that um I think that that it's been around for a long time and that these are are things that are in communication with us so I used what I do in my book both the books that I wrote about this is I go I I talk to people who I think represent thousands of people so each person in the book represents thousands if not more maybe many thousands of people who have had experiences and the ways in which they interpret them so all of the people seem to have had experiences where now what they want to do is they actually want to work for justice in different ways like Jose the veteran in my book he's working with young people and helping them deal with being addicted to social media and things like that and helping them get through life which is really hard right now and and that's what he's doing um and then you look at Dr Whitley right so she's she's working in the space force she's trying to you know help people deal with the fact that they're seeing things that you know that could down ples and things like that and she's helping people talk talk about that she's helping people um each person in you know is somehow doing what I'm I'm suggesting that I think is an out this kind of structural Injustice that we see so I think that this is a transformational thing without the drugs is what's going on like some kind of massive experience that people are having and now it's getting out and people are being able to talk to each other through Reddit communities and you know different types of social media so it is um it's it's we did see you know religions when they begin they become viral at one point we've never seen it in an age where we have digital technology but this is what we're seeing now what do you think the physical objects are well okay so this is something that's very interesting we just looked at the Shroud of Turin I believe that there are these I would call them and this is just my own
non-scientific term um interdimensional objects they're objects that have characteristics of our Dimension and it's some other dimension so some other dimension has the capability or some from some other dimension has the capability of transporting a physical object into our realm or even imprinting onto a physical object yeah how so well I don't know I mean I think that's do mean by what does that mean imprinting onto so with the shroud of Trin we see the imprint of you know the image and if it's real yeah yeah if it's real um but it's it's an anomalous object so we do have from Gary Nolan engineered objects that we don't know how they're engineered but they definitely look like they're you know it's it's off-planet um I would call the kinds of things that we see in the historical record interdimensional types of things now how I don't know Joe okay so I just don't know but I do think that scientists in the government know that these things exist and they would like to figure it out and so part of disclosure the disclosure movement is outsourcing this and trying to get as many people as possible to to help in figuring it out what do you think when they use the term donations what do you think the purpose of that is if there is a of an object that is purposely released into our you know like I'm sure you're aware of cargo Colts right so with cargo colts for people that don't know there's been some islands uh during World War I and World War II where planes landed there and they left and these people to they created these statues of these planes and they worshiped them and they and they wanted them to come back yes because they got food and you know all kinds of F things from the planes like they thought them as thought of them as deities right the same way we would think of something from somewhere else yeah yeah so yeah that in my field has been called the cargo cult the UFO cargo cult right and um obviously Tyler and James view these parts as as donate they call it the donation site or right so giving it the idea that is that just one Theory yeah that's just one Theory other theories that there's a biological organism that encounters a lightning
storm and it actually crashes and there's physical bodies oh yeah there is that yeah there's that going what's your take on that because that's one of the things that grush talked about and some of the other people talked about that there there are biological things that have been recovered well what impressed me about the way about what he said was that he used the term biologics and I actually know that term because that's the same term that Tyler was talking about when he was creating materials in anti-gravity spaces on on space shuttles and such so I was wondering because David grush does get his information from people in allegedly in the programs but he's never seen these materials that I know of I think he has some firsthand experience that he was not able to talk about okay that he's alluding to okay I think but this is a this is recent and he's been very careful about how he releases this information and what he's able to release and not able to release and that that I was like okay yeah so I mean I've not seen any any bodies nor have I seen intact craft but I also have had now remember I don't have a clearance like he has so I can actually talk about what people have told me I have had people tell me that yes Diana there are intact craft I don't know I mean maybe uh so I don't know Joe have you um studied Bob Lazar okay yes I always asked about Bob Lazar yeah and I don't know but I can tell you that people that I've met who are associated with the programs tell me that he's he's he's right now I know his backgrounds and I know you know all the things I I don't I don't have an opinion one way or the other but I can also say that a lot a lot of times people with very disturbing backgrounds you know who could be easily discredited are given information and shown things and told things well I would think that that's sort of like a little Escape Clause yeah I think so I think it is I mean the guy's obviously a genius and was obviously a propulsion expert put a [ __ ] jet engine on a Honda in like the 1980s he's a f fascinating guy yeah and um you know he claims that there's some element some element that exists other in other places in the universe which leads me to believe well not even to believe but
like so here's the question are some of these things from other planets is that also in the equation I mean just because something is traveling interdimensionally we do know that there are an infinite number of planets yeah in the universe I mean we have no idea how many of them are capable of supporting humanlike life or some other kind of life or a an infinite number of varieties of life and if that life can do what we've done and get to some part of its progression where it's capable of creating what we're calling artificial intelligence or super advanced technology why wouldn't it come here yes I have I'm not dis I'm not discounting ET so that could be there too I think so especially because of the ways in which the materials are being manufactured off Planet like the ones that we just saw you know that you know and that was information when I met Tyler 2014 and now it's a full-on thing that's happening right so it's it's a supercharged program of creating things that will help us off Planet I mean certainly then yeah I think so I mean but I don't know right so I have to just be honest so it might be a bunch of different things happening all at the same time interdimensionally extraterrestrial something from a distant Galaxy that's figured out some new method of propulsion that's beyond our imagination that can visit and then also things that are coming here from other dimensions yes and even recently somebody had you know yeah well I can't say any I can't say I'm sorry I don't want to be that person that goes on your show and says oh I can't I can't say that but I probably the most likely there are um CRA if there's crash retrieval part you know crash retrievals here on Earth perhaps there are in space as well do you when they talk about inventions that emerged post Roswell that's one of the uh points of speculation is that we have back engineered something and that this led to the creation of fiber optics and a lot of other technologies that seem to emerge after that time yeah uh part so this question was prominent in my mind in 2012 when I met jacqu Val so I was already aware of his work even as a not
a person who hadn't studied UFOs or even believed in them jacqu Val is just one of these people right that you come across his work and he's fascinating so I thought it was strange that Not only was he a person who was you know pre-engineered arpanet right he was on arpanet which is pre- internet he was creating that at the same time as being obsessed with UFOs and doing you know being a ethologist these things seemed that they had to be together right there's something that you know what's going on here so um and I'm in touch with him um often and he says a lot of things that are rather cryptic but sometimes I ask him specifically was was what you were doing on arpet related to back engineered UFO parts and then he'd say something like there are many secrets in Silicon Valley or something like that yeah yeah he's real cryptic he's kind of difficult to have a conversation with publicly you know well it does have a lot I guess there are lots of secrets in Silicon Valley of course which is where he lives yeah um another thing that was really fascinating about your book was you were talking about how much religion he studied yes yes that was really interesting so in the book what I do is I uncover not just him but Alan heck they were friends and they were both rosac crans which is a a form of he might not like me to say this but it's a form of mystical Christianity in a sense but a lot of rossau crucians don't view their Roots as Christian they they look at it as Egyptian and but it's basically it's an esoteric tradition and it involves meditation I think it most likely involves this thing that you and I have been discussing in this the whole talk so far is the pineal gland thing you know the the access point because both of them believe in this kind of life this meditating and things like that and so I included references everything I say in my books by the way I pass to the person that I'm writing the chapter about so everything that I said about jacqu I gave it to him beforehand and I said are you okay with me saying this publicly and so it passed all the the tests um and I also talk about going to his apartment and seeing his um Library which is an amazing Library um and he has Stained Glass from chart uh Cathedral uh and chart
Cathedral is a special place for Rosa crucians like a special place of presence of the Sacred so and he actually did those himself so he learned how to do stained glass from people at chartre by the way and yeah just amazing and he had a lot of books on angels and and fallen angels in that Library like uh almost like it it was almost like going into the Vatican archive going into this place because these looked like first editions or close so you know really really old books about this topic Fallen Angel yeah I was pretty shocked when I had when I went I was we were going to have lunch and talk about the crash site and maybe talk about you know what I learned from Tyler and that kind of thing and we went to lunch and then he said do you want to see the library and I was like yes of course so I saw the handwritten documents from Project Blue Book um and that was just going into the library that wasn't actually in the library then when we got in there um I noticed a big bookcases of these books and of course I was drawn to them and he said he picked out one and he opened it and it was about angels and he said this is the you know this is a book about angels and I could see that and I was looking I was wow and then I looked at the other bookshelf and that bookshelf was just as impressive and then it was about fallen angels He said oh this one's about fallen angels and then he made a joke and he said you can't have one without the other and I thought that yeah I thought that was interesting that does seem to align with what we're talking about with like the struggle of Good and Evil it does that's what he said too and um and I was actually shocked at that point I was like wow so just you know be I'm a professor of religion you know so I'm like I'm right about you know my intuition was somehow confirmed and by the way I think people I think this should be re I'm not sure if this is totally true but I believe he was the inspiration for the French character in Close Encounters of the Third Kind I think so yeah yeah