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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day good to see you again my friend man been a long time it's been yeah like nine years yeah we were talking about it yeah yeah it's been a while yeah for people who don't know I've been waiting I was like uh you know I di your number and it wasn't working no more I was like okay I've had about eight different numbers he'll call me I said he'll call me yeah for people who don't know the real Rick Ross is not a rapper just like your shirt says hey you know you know who inspired that shirt I think I did you did you did and you don't even know the whole story what's the story well you know after that day you you told me that I needed a shirt right yeah you know I was I was really homeless then really you didn't know that part of the story well I didn't go around like hey man I'm homeless so I was technically homeless uh I was standing in a vacant apartment me and my old lady and my two kids and uh when I told you that uh that I was doing bad you was like man you need a T-shirt and you know when I left the show I was a little hot I was like damn that [ __ ] told me I need a T-shirt and I I'm I'm I'm [ __ ] up but uh he know I handle money he know I'm a thinker why you help me and so I'm walking down the street downtown and this kid come up to me and he was like hey Rick I heard you on Joe Rogan the other day and I was like yeah he was like yeah and I got a t-shirt idea for you I said oh [ __ ] another one of those [ __ ] and I said what's your idea and he said the real Rick Ross is not a rapper and I said corny is a [ __ ] but I kept open mind and I said okay let's do it the kid did it I go to him a couple weeks later and he gave me 100 t-shirts I sell a whole hundred the same day wow and then something popped in my head and said why don't you call Joe that's when your number was still the same and I called you you called me to the show and you put my t-shirt on and the T-shirt went crazy my PayPal CU you know I ain't saw you since then so I never got to tell you thanks for telling me to do a t-shirt even though I was mad at you why were you mad at me
cuz I was like why the [ __ ] nobody helped me you know I was looking for somebody to come and say hey man here's $100,000 see what you can do with it a million dollars see what you can do with it that's what I I was looking for when I got out of prison I was like somebody's going to come and say man I know you can handle money let's let's do something so I was looking for that I was not looking for a t-shirt but you know in one of my favorite books said might come through the back door don't look at the front door look at the back door so I did that and when you put that t- t-shirt on man my PayPal went like this yet and I was like my my old lady she was like man that PayPal is going crazy I was like that [ __ ] broke I said go check the bank account and she went and check the bank account man it's like $188,000 $20,000 in there and I was like oh my goodness we F to get apartment wow so my whole life changed from there from there I took that money and I did this wrote a book I wrote a I had already wrote the book oh I wrote the book in prison oh when I had a life sentence you know I wrote this book this was kind of like my message to the world about what it takes to become a drug dealer how you become a drug dealer I wrote it for kids so they would know if they started to be a drug dealer what they was going to run into like a how-to manual like a how-to manual cuz I said nobody ever wrote a book about well I look at like this Joe you know we always talk to kids about why not to sell drugs but why not give them all the information and they make their own decision okay this you sell drugs yeah you might get a big house you might get the cars but at the end of that rainbow was some cuff links and prison sentence so I felt that you want to give them all the information I want to give them all information so I wrote this and I brought you one as a gift oh beautiful thank you very much your story is incredible and for people who don't know just because you know we we done a we did a couple podcasts in the past but just for people that don't know
you unknowingly we during the whole Contra versus the sandinistas uh War the United States government or some people inside the United States government were selling crack in the hood and probably other places too and they were used that to fund this war they're using the money to fund this war yeah and you were the one who was moving the drugs correct and a lot of it and you didn't know you had no idea where I was the dumb kid from South Central man I never read a book you couldn't read I couldn't read at that time which is so crazy let me keep going so you get arrested you go to jail you learn how to read in jail learn how to become a lawyer in jail figure out that they the way they did you with three strikes was [ __ ] because it's supposed to be three different instances of you being arrested they used the three instances of whatever they tried to pin on you correct from one case and so you got out of jail I got out of jail you would still be in jail right now right now if you didn't if I would listen to my lawyer too wow cuz he told me that uh that law didn't apply to me I don't know you you know it's funny cuz I said my judge and my lawyer and the prosecut couldn't read I mean cuz it was really plain and simple in the in in the law the way they explained it um the most important thing was an intervening arrest not that that you get convicted three times but was an intervening arrest because they're saying that you know if you get a kid and and and he does three different things and you whoop him one time that's for all three you know now if he does something and you whooping one time and that whooping is over and then he goes and does it again and you whoop him for the same thing again now you whooped him twice right so the third time that would be a three strike and that's what the law meant and they just couldn't understand that like oh no that don't apply to you because you had a conviction in Texas and you had a conviction in Cincinnati and you had a conviction here but they were all the same time you whoop me one time and so I get two more whoopings before you know before it's a three strike it's kind of a crazy story I mean it's a very crazy story because yeah you were a young kid and and it's getting more
crazy man I've been having so much fun Joe like wow what's been going on and you know what and and I owe your a lot of the credit man cuz you really like you kind of set me off you know you know like I don't know where I would have been had I not did that [ __ ] t-shirt you know what I'm saying that [ __ ] t-shirt paid our rent man I mean you know and my [ __ ] kids now playing tennis my daughter is so [ __ ] good at tennis that's amazing man she's like 12 well you were a great tennis player I was good I'm talking about like really good they saying she like Serena good really yeah wow like and and and I try not to like you know because it's my daughter so I got to like keep myself honest you know what I'm saying but I'm seeing her do things that I was doing a 16 and 17 and she's just turned 12 and she's doing those things right now wow and I'm like wow could she be this good you know that's incredible yeah so I mean I'm just having so much fun man it's like my life has been good you know if um you know if I died today you know I wouldn't be mad I just want to see them two grow up to be 20 30 years old and I've had a great life man I met some great people and you know I had some I didn't had some things happen to me too it ain't all been Rosy you know my documentary I think was we working on documentary when I did you the last time I don't know well you know they took the documentary from me what do you mean what happened well you know we shot the documentary and um when it was time to put it out we finished it my two partners who put up most of the money got into argument and I went with the one who I thought was right so we go to court and the Court rule that uh Mark Levin and and Mike uh mungry won in court and they had all the say so about the documentary I had no say so no accounting so they sold the documentary to alterer rent it to alterer rent it to Netflix and I got zero dollars out of it oh my god did J say I had no accounting rights you know no right to see how much money was being made uh on a documentary on your life that I put money I put I took money t-shirt money and put into the documentary I put about $115,000 of my own money into making it
we spent about about 120,000 making the documentary and here I am on Netflix on the front page too I made the front page of Netflix for like a year wow and I got zero dollars out of it and then John Singleton you know he was working with me on the movie he take all the stuff that we did from the movie and do this show called snowfall which was one of the biggest TV shows on TV and I got $0 out of that what yeah yeah so John Singleton John Singleton did me like that man no way yes he went with me to the premiere me and him went to the premiere of the documentary together the day of the premiere I got my first books from that book there and I had my demo books he bought one for 100 bucks which I thought was like yeah I'm G do good with this book 100 bucks with one book so um he took that book and he did snowfall and he didn't count me as a advisor he didn't count me in at all nothing did you talk to him I saw him one time he changed his number and I saw him one time about eight months before he died and he was like man I'll owe you money but you know he was probably he was in South Central LA in the wrong area so he F probably said that just to get the [ __ ] out I got you let me get out of here so I totally understood but uh other than that you know it's it's been all right there's a lot of people that disappoint you in this life they do they do it's very unfortunate I do not understand why people do that because that you think you're getting over but you're not that carries that that stays in your soul it really does it'll haunt you it'll haunt you forever you fu over it's better to be good man yeah it's better to be good you know you you're a great story because a lot of people write people off man you know and there's a lot of people out there in the world that want to think that because someone did something that's illegal or someone did something that's bad that makes him a bad person and I think that's ridiculous and I think you I totally agree you can't imagine what it's like to be someone unless you've lived their life you don't know the circumstances that they fell into you you don't know the the life that they were born into you don't know you don't know and there's a lot of good
people out there that just get [ __ ] made a bad mistake make made made a bad mistake in a bad situation bad neighborhood bad life a lot of things just and people see things different you know with with you think is bad because of the circumstances that he comes from right he doesn't think it's bad right because it's normal it's normal it's nor absolutely absolutely and and that was kind of the case you know um I wanted to be a drug dealer you know cuzz all the pictures I saw drug dealing was was you know look who I was doing drugs in the in the ' 80s everybody all the all the entertainers you know so I I wanted to be in entertainment well not only that all the entertainers were talking about how they sold drugs Jay-Z IC T Ice Cube everybody but they don't look at those guys as bad but it's crazy those guys they could be on CNN those guys can be interviewed everywhere the red carpet everybody loves them now I used to be a drug dealer so that's amazing IC tea I don't know if iced tea was a drug dealer you know they rap about it you know I mean it was a big thing you know but they don't believe they don't I guess they don't believe their stories they believe it it's just okay because now they're popular artists now they're famous so they broke through so when you break through and you're selling millions of records and people come to see you in arenas and everybody's singing along to your [ __ ] somehow or another it's okay like you're absolved of all your crimes and all your sins and you're welcome in society because you're very popular yeah it's very weird it's very weird so people are so quick to write people off I think it's part of it is because people are afraid to be written off themselves so they want to do it to other people I really do you want some coffee some water you got water's right here there you go all right it's uh you know it's funny we uh we've done a lot of work with uh this guy Josh Dubin who used to work with the uh Innocence Project and um we just through this podcast have gotten people out of jail that were wrongly convicted a bunch of people yeah and then then we had one dude on who wasn't wrongly convicted but he got convicted for 50 years for pistol whipping somebody a drug dealer who owed
him money someone who stole money from him pistol whipped his dude why not going to jail for 50 years gets out they they reduced his sentence to 25 years you know Josh brought him in to show someone who can be rehabilitated someone's a month later he gets out cut some dude's head off and gets caught gets caught on on a security camera with a blonde wig on like the whole thing was so crazy but the dude was we were hanging out with that guy that day took him to the comedy club that night it's like it doesn't always work out and then also you know the system itself once you're inside once you're a part of the system man that can [ __ ] you up you do 25 I mean how many years did you do in there I did 20 years and 3 months wow yeah so so you know the system is and you're absolutely correct the system can either make you or break you you know um I was mad when I first went to jail you know um but then you know I I I started analyzing my life and you know I wanted to know how I got there you know what are you doing here you know this wasn't part of the plan right right and I just figured I made some bad turns you know I listened to some people that uh for the most part loved me to death you know would would have died with me and they gave me what they had to give me you know and what they had to give me was the drug game yeah it's just so crazy that you were connected to this enormous story with Oliver North and Ronald Reagan you know Ronald Reagan had to testify about it you know I mean the whole thing was really insane it was it was an insane cultural moment cuz I remember I was young at the time I remember watching it all play out on TV and seeing how this insane story was playing out that they were selling drugs what the government was involved in the drug game so that they could when Gary web came and told us about this I could not believe it you know like no not not Ricky Ross you know you're talking about Ricky Ross right the guy who uh couldn't read in school uh the guy who couldn't get out of high school who was pretty good at tennis but he couldn't make it in tennis you know what I'm saying now you're telling me that he was working with the White House with Oliver North and George Bush and
Ronald Reagan and crazy and then the CIA come to my sale and maxing wers come to my sell and what all these people I know it's just like for me it was it was unbelievable but even even even when I when I when I first went to jail before all of the stuff hit the fan you know one of the guys that went to elementary school with me he came up and he said man I heard the stories but I couldn't believe it was you you was the poorest kid in in the school like you and your brothers used to change pants and you had holes in your tennis shoes and used to put tennis balls on your on your shoes so your feet wouldn't be on the ground and that was really you and I was like yeah he was like man you used to make millions of dollars so it was one of those stories that you know you really had to see it to believe it we had uh Michael rert on the podcast back when he was alive Michael rert was the cop that I know Michael yeah Michael testified on C-Span he was at one of those C-SPAN hearings and testify that he witnessed the CIA selling drugs in South Central Los Angeles it is one of the craziest videos of Michael was courageous I read his book yeah which one uh I don't remember the Rubicon yeah yeah yeah he he wrote that and then he he did that that book that movie rather documentary collapse that scared the [ __ ] out of people you ever see that movie I didn't see the movie the movie was just him sitting there chain smoking sitting in a chair explaining how the the whole system was going to fall apart wind up not being correct yeah but it was it was mostly about oil and mostly about the way the economy is run and the way our our our government is the way everything's structured that it's we are on the verge of collapse and he was telling people back then like you better get ready you better get ready for everything to fall apart well I mean if if you if you go on the streets right now and you see the homeless problem that we have around the country you know cuz I I travel the whole country now you know I'm doing motivational speaking and so I'm working with different homeless organizations one of the main ones I'm working with is of Oakland uh Lulu house and uh they're helping homeless
people get off the streets it is so bad out here man I mean it's like worse than ever like some of these places that we go and and I would be afraid to go there without a gun and it's like a third world country it's like a jungle they got cardboard boxes and crates and Tents and makeshift shant Town plastic and and and it's like miles of these places and Oakland is is is Oakland's crazy Oakland is terrible it's so crazy I watched a video about it the other day where these people were driving they were documenting it and driving down Oakland down the worst areas where these people have these Shanty Town set up these tent Town set up and it's just open air drugs and violence and no police presence and no help and no nothing and this is in America and this is why we have $1 175 billion to send overseas to help them help people in Ukraine help people in Israel we don't have anything to clean this problem up this massive problem and all those people all those people out there are wasted potential all of them all of them who knows how many of those people if they had a little bit of help if they got the right counseling they got the right this the right that they started to get a a path towards a good life they could turn it around I mean look I was like that yes you know I was those people uh uh eight nine years ago just out of prison and and and Joe you know when I was in prison I educated my I read over 300 books while I was in prison because I didn't want to come out and get into the same thing that put me in jail so what I wanted to do I never had a job you know I never had a job right now today I've never had I mean you know I get paid for doing speaking engagements and stuff but I'm saying I've never had a job where I punch a clock or I had to fill out an application none of that stuff because I couldn't couldn't fill out application before I went to prison and now you know I'm not going to fill out now I'm not going to fill out of application but I had all this potential but I had nobody to to to to give me a boost you know to say uh um and that's one of the things that that I was saying about Lulu house that they're doing is they got uh housing for you with people get out of jail they go stay there for a while they give them clothes they feed
them because sometimes you need those type of things to to you know my break was you putting on that damn t-shirt had I had I not got that break I don't know where I would be at right now and and you know I wasn't going to sit around and let my kids be hungry you know I had two I had two new babies did you know I had two new babies when we did that show I don't remember yeah I had two new babies wow I uh cuz my kids right now they're 13 and 12 so at that time they probably was like three maybe four yeah like 3 years old 2 years old so so they was really new so me getting that money coming in was was like heaven sent you know like yes you know I got a way to get get me some some some traction now but without that kind of traction you know and most of those people they not going to have the opportunity to to to to do a t-shirt for themselves so you know we need to set a programs where um these people can get a fresh start yeah and that can be done it could be done you know it's funny we we asked AI we had a episode here where we're talking to chat GPT have you done any of that you messed around with chat GPT or AI or anything like that it's kind of kind of scary yeah kind of scary yeah it's I think we're real close to it being like a life form we're real close to there being an artificial life form that's more intelligent than human beings that we've created but we asked it like how would you solve the crime problem how would you solve the the the homelessness and all the situations and it basically laid out this plan and one of the things would be re-energizing communities and and helping taking places like these Shanty towns in Oakland set up community centers police presence do something to stop the crime do something to try to educate people do something community centers to give people a trade a craft something where they can move forward there's you know there's a a place out here Loaves and Fishes right is that what it's called um we we actually went to uh the the house yesterday there's a a community that they have here I think it's called Uh Community First hold on a second I'm G to find out real quick yeah this we went there yesterday I took my family there yesterday and uh Community First Village
is this thing that uh my friend Allan Graham has put together and and he's got right now there's all I think he's at like a thousand acres and they they build homes for these people they they have all these programs for these people they have Gardens they uh these people are making art and selling it this one woman made a chess set and she sold it for $10,000 these people are incredible artists there's a lot of creative interesting people that just don't know what to do or where to turn and they've been doing drugs their whole life they're all [ __ ] up up and and they're homeless and they've got records and they don't know what to do yeah and there and he's helping them and he's helping them in a really beautiful way and it can be done well I'd like to connect with him I will connect you with him yeah definitely cuz that's the kind of stuff that I want to do I I believe that uh we got to give people a second chance a third CH I mean I don't believe that we should be playing baseball with our lives with other people I mean right three strikes are out I mean if it was your brother right it was your brother would he only get three strikes you know of course right exactly if he your brother was on drugs would you say throw him in jail for the rest of his life it was your kid and everybody should be your brother all these people are just us it's just us living different lives yeah it's just us with different circumstances and different things went wrong and different you know different people around you giving you bad advice different bad influences different everything and for PE this whole one of the things drives me crazy is to pull yourself up by your bootstrap [ __ ] you know like shut the [ __ ] up people don't even have boots like what are you talking about that's so crazy like you you're supposed to do it yourself people can't read they don't know where to go they don't have no positive influences and we don't spend any money on that I've always said if you want to make America great again you really want to make America great have less losers how do you have less losers give more people a chance you're never going to have equal outcomes because some people work harder some people are smarter some people are luckier there's a lot of factors but what you can have is change
the amount of opportunity that people have cuz some people have zero opportunity they have nothing and if you give more people opportunity and more people help you'll have more winners you'll have more people successfully living in society contributing and everything gets better everybody Rises up when people see other people win they can duplicate that yes yes the rising they can duplicate a win cuz I I mean you know I I keep going back back to me you know having the opportunity to do this t-shirt I had no clue to do a t-shirt I wasn't thinking about doing no t-shirt that was not in my plan to do no T-shirt you know so sometimes they just need that little boost yeah uh the little vision you know from somebody else that that that's actually out here cuz you know when I came when when I came home I had no idea what the world was you everybody had cell phones you know right right I mean they on computers and I'm like I'm I'm like a fish out of water I don't I don't understand this you know I don't I didn't even know my way around South Central for a while it took me a while just to you know to get back know in the streets and and the Avenues cuz so much stuff changed in 20 years so we give people all this time in prison and like you say some them was on drugs or or whatever and we got to set up a system where they can readjust you know most people back to prison within the first 3 or 4 months yeah they don't know what to do no they don't know I know people that have went back to jail on purpose because the the outside world was too confusing and scary for them and they'd rather have the structure of being inside they like at least I get food at least I know where I'm sleeping they make it real easy for you in jail they wash your clothes turn the lights on for you shower comes on they give you soap toothpaste might be cheap yeah might be some cheap [ __ ] but what is it like finding out out that you were a part of this enormous thing that was going on overseas shocking I mean amazing first you have to come to you know for me I had to come to realization that I was really a part of that let's tell people the scale let's talk about the money the numbers that you were moving CU it was crazy at my height from 84
to 86 I was doing at least a million every day and then I had days I do as much as 3 million say for inst like the first of the month which was my busiest days the first was like crazy busy I would do $3 million that day Jesus the second I might do two and a half million the third I might do a million and a half and then after that be a million dollars every day and then the 15 it would spike back up maybe three million maybe two and a half million and then it would start decreasing again and what did you do with the money buy houses um businesses you know when when when when when when I started selling drugs I started selling drugs because I wanted to create businesses for me and my friends you know we couldn't get jobs nobody would hire us so what I figured okay start your own business why not open up your own business so drugs I couldn't go to the bank and borrow money you know South Central was Redline at that time you know they wasn't loaning money on houses and nothing in South Central at that time we was totally Red Line not like it is right now you know South Central is one of the hottest properties in in the country where if you got a house there you can Bor money on it they buying them but at that time it was red line so I didn't have any way to get money and and drugs look like a viable source of of of raising money so it was totally baffling to me to find out well well I never thought I didn't know what a million dollars was when I first started you know like when I started selling drugs probably the most money I'd ever saw it was probably like 200 bucks 300 bucks at one time how quick did it come it took it took a little while it took a few months but you know that's crazy though you know you know when when see when I started selling drugs I was a tennis player so I was very disciplined you know ran I did my runs I would my backhand is off I'm going hit 3 400 back hands over and over and over and over again I'm not going to stop until I do my number and I took that same mentality into the drug business you know I'm not going to uh um stop selling my drugs to take my girlfriend to the movies you know I'm not going to the club I'm not drinking I'm not smoking you know I'm GNA stay up
under this tree and wait till the money come it's funny because that discipline would have served you well in anything that you had an opportunity to do I just didn't know that yeah nobody ever nobody ever sit me down and told me I didn't have a coach I didn't have a my mentors sold drugs robbed people stole cars yeah you know those were my mentors those were the guys you know my mom and my dad broke up at four month when I was four months old so I I didn't really know my dad met him a few times uh so the male figures that I saw was these Street guys you know Crips you know Bloods and and and when I stopped playing tennis I was 18 years old and I was old enough to know like oh I ain't shooting nobody cuz he wear red I ain't shooting nobody cuz he wear no blue you know I ain't with that I'm not sticking a gun and nobody face to Rob him you know I'm I'm not doing it so I had to find what I felt was a valuable way of making a living and when I saw cocaine shoot they come over and they dancing we going to the club I I need a 50 me and my girl we turn it up tonight so I was like damn they gonna give you $50 and you make them feel like that I want a part of that I want to be with that I want to be the one that make them happy like that there and and I'm gonna get paid to make them feel like that dear I'm all in and and I dove in you know and and I was in love you know I was in love with the business and it it was it wasn't was the first very successful thing that you've been a part of yeah I mean I was a little successful at tennis you know I made all conference all city and but that didn't put no money in my pocket right right all the trophies was good and you know the Pats on the back but you know now I'm putting money in my pocket you know I can go by my mom house and say hey go pay your light bill yeah you know uh put gas in your car you know my little brothers and sisters didn't have to go to school with hoes in their tennis shoes no more you know what's really really crazy Rick here we are in 2024 you know this is uh 40 years later right mhm 40 years 40 years later and nothing's changed in terms of drug dealing nothing's changed in terms of drugs being legalized they're still giving money to criminals and and particularly criminals in Mexico I mean
that's literally what funds the cartels and the fact that there's a demand in America and the supply is all brought over or for the most part A lot of it is brought over by the Mexican cartels we just empowering them we're just giving them money and and and and you know I I thought about that a lot about what you saying and because in order to get rid of drugs the way they trying to do it they would have to get rid of all three elements right you know you'd have to get rid of the the manufacturers yeah you had to get rid of the dist Distributors and you had to get rid of the users yeah because if you get rid of one the other two going to create that one again and I would like to know I mean I don't necessarily think you should do cocaine I've never done it I I got lucky excuse me when I was in high school uh my friend's cousin got hooked on coke and I watched his light fall apart and I was like oh I don't want nothing to do with that I was always terrified that I was going to do something that was going to turn me into a loser so you know I grew up poor and we moved around a lot and I always felt out of place place I never felt like I had anything going on in my life until I started doing martial arts when I was a kid when I was like 15 that's when I really got into it and then from then on I said this is the key to life the key to life is discipline and focus and I don't want nothing's going to take away my focus nothing's going to take away my drive and I saw my friend's cousin I was like God damn he was a good dude and now he's like a vampire and now he's like hiding in his attic apartment and they're all just like doing C all the time and selling Coke it was horrible yeah so I never [ __ ] with Coke but I know a lot of successful people that every now and then they do a little Coke you know and I think it's like everything else I think it's I mean there's a lot of things alcohol is addictive I like a little alcohol every now and then I don't think it's that bad you know I don't think weed's bad I don't I don't think any of these things are bad I think what's bad is bad behavior and bad thinking and not understanding the consequences of what you're doing and the consequences of what we're doing
by making drugs illegal is so crazy because all we're doing we're not reducing the demand we're not reducing the supply we're just empowering criminal elements in another country that now are immensely powerful and it makes people want to get involved because of the money incredible amounts of money and if you're living in Mexico [ __ ] you think South Central is poor you know try being born in these places where you live in these houses with no windows and dirt floors and you see some dude driving by in a [ __ ] beautiful car you know with a goldplated gun and that's that's the [ __ ] that's L Hefe and that's the dude that's who you look up to that's who you want to be and we're empowering that we're empowering all that in this country by our stupid [ __ ] laws I agree I totally agree with what you're saying and I thought about that that what would happen if Koch lost its value totally you know if it had no value I mean if it was worth what it's really worth you know it grow it's a plant so it grows W so ites it doesn't take anybody to grow it so you talking about it might be worth pennies but it's the value that we create that attracts people to Coke and and and it's also making it illegal so it's difficult yeah making it illegal creates a value because if it wasn't illegal people would just let it sit there or they would traffic it and then it wouldn't be worth you know it wouldn't be worth Harding because everybody would have it um and and the way I see it that if it loses its value most people that I saw get started with Coke start off selling and they get curious well what does it do for you and they try it and they don't or not capable of not doing anymore I did it for about two weeks you know I when I got up to to like an ounce my uh my cousins talk me and hey go ahead and try it go ahead and try it cuz I never tried it before I never smoked marijuana or nothing at that time and they talked me in they trying it and when I looked up I had like $300 if I had I had about $99,000 worth of coke and when we finished I had $300 so what I realized is that they had tricked me into getting started so that they could get high ah cuz they didn't have any money so I bowed that day when when I when I
when I finally cleared my head up I said you know what I'm never doing it again and I never done Coke again yeah it's not a good drug but there's a lot of things that aren't good drugs do you do you know who uh Dr Carl heart is no I never heard he's a professor at Colombia and he's uh he was a clinical researcher and he was a very straight laac guy never did any drugs no nothing and when he started doing clinical research on different drugs and different things he realized that all the things that we're being told about drugs are incorrect A lot of it is overinflated a lot of it is exaggerated and you know he talks openly about responsible drug use I this guy's a professor legitimate academic an intellectual and he talks openly about his own personal drug use yeah about how you know that these things can be used responsibly but that that thought is never out there that nobody says that nobody everybody tells you if you do drugs you're going to be an addict you do drugs you're going to be a loser well you know these people so so many people are making money off of the illegal drug Market I mean if if if you just imagine how much money has been spent on incarceration on probation on pris themselves privatized prisons so so these people don't want they don't want drugs to to to to to not be valuable to the system they wanted to stay the way it is so they can keep making their money so they do commercials and and and they Market just like everybody else Market their business to stay in business right so uh those are the things that that we're dealing with and we have to get people um that are more sensible you know um when I got home and and found out that marijuana was legal you know it was like wow finally we waking up you know uh um that was just 2016 though in California where was made well when I got medically medically it was legal when I got home right yeah it was medically legal in the 9s I mean I got a card I get headaches right hey you were smoking when I was on the show you know remember yeah and and that leads me to uh oh you're in the business I'm in the business well you know what's interesting is there's there's I brought you some gifts oh what you got here these my new strings all right you got
you know I got a dispensary you do I got a dispensary I'm a legal marijuana dealer the state that's incredible that's inred told you've been gone a long time man wow that's great to hear though man look I'm a big fan of that and you in Texas it's illegal but you can get this stuff called Delta 9 THC that's legal and apparently it's legal federally so you can just get that it's very the whole thing is very strange it's like there's worse things in this world than marijuana Absol my God marijuana makes people calmer makes people funnier make you go to sleep I to sleep I get some sleep it makes people more sensitive to other people it really makes you more compassionate it does a lot of things for you oh man when I went to my first because it all goes back to I go to my first when I get off Paro it's it's crazy right they having a high Time Event in La the day I get off Paro High Times High Time Event the day I get off parole so my boy from Cincinnati flying out to tell so he flies out to LA he comes by the house he's like man you are parole let's go celebrate and I was like cool what we going he's like man they having a high Time Event come and I was like oh no I don't want to get with that drug stuff man cuz you know I'm still even though even though I've been through all I've been through I'm still under this impression that they have been instilling in us oh marijuana is a gateway drug right you know so um I'm still tripping off of that so I like oh man I I want to go out there you know I start selling marijuana or get involved with the marijuana next thing you know I'll be back doing coke cuz I understood that I'm an addict I was an addict to selling cocaine I mean I love if I had a problem my old lady start arguing I just go sell some coke well it's a success right so that made me feel better yeah you're you're selling a lot you're making a lot of money and I felt better why wouldn't you be addicted to that I forget about uh uh your friend in the hospital sick cocaine right so now I forgot I buy him being sick so so coke had become like a crutch to me where where anything that that that went wrong for me uh uh Coke made it better I mean you know like the
commercials you know everything goes better with Coke which used to be made with Coke which is crazy so it had become like a crutch to me and and when I was going to the High Time Event I was scared of that happening and he was like man I bet you sell a lot of books and t-shirts I said oh let's go I bet you did man I found myself out there man those people treated me so good I was like what the [ __ ] I want to be in this community and after that day you know I've been chasing the marijuana business and uh in in 19 uh in 2016 when when the federal when they changed the law I went there and they you know first they didn't want to convict the felons to work in the industry right I was like what the [ __ ] how you guys going to say that and we the ones made it where the where the industry is legal now had had the people not go to jail for selling marijuana you never would have thought about legalizing it right and they had me to argue to city council wow that issue that's crazy so I got to argue the issue and and they broke down and now everybody around the country adopted that uh philosophy and they putting convicted felons in the front of the line that's incredible you know the federal government is reducing it to a schedule three now yeah they should just totally Le 100% but at least it's a schedule three which is what is schedule what's also listed in schedule 3 I think cocaine might be actually medically well it's medically do you know that cocaa is one of the largest uh importers of cocoa leaves the cocoa leaves still flavor Coca-Cola I didn't know that and that there's a plant that supplies Coca-Cola there a plant it takes the cocaine out of the cocoa leaves creates this uh flavonoids these flavors that they that's why Coke tastes better than Pepsi sorry Pepsi this this this this if you're a Coke fan there like the flavor that coke has is flavored partially at least by cocaine Coke is schedule two interesting schedule three would be like it says ketamine testosterone anabolic steroids Codine oh mild [ __ ] well Codine ain't that mild that's interesting tyol with Codine products of less than 90 milligrams so then then that's where
marijuana's going to be which is still ridiculous what schedule's ambient that shit's [ __ ] scary what schedule's at all what's at all well just said it right there Jamie yeah if you click on what schedule's right right above what schedule drug all yeah schedule two that stuff is [ __ ] crazy I know a lot of people hooked on that four schedule four less that's funny Xanax Xanax is four I know a lot of people have been [ __ ] up by xan Valium I know a lot of people that have been [ __ ] up by Valium [ __ ] up by Valium yeah and then that stuff is less less illegal man than marijuana it's crazy we're so silly I mean it's a little baby steps towards legalization you know uh that's one thing that California has above Texas for sure is the the legalization of marijuana it should be legal Federal they tax the [ __ ] out of us in in California I wish they did and I wish they did something good with it I wish they took those taxes and cleaned up Oakland I wish they did they give it to the police department they don't even do that man they're defunding the police department in California by $150 million with a new budget proposal $150 million all the [ __ ] problems they have and they're defunding they what they should do if you want to T look if you want to tax it like you're making plenty of money I'm sure a lot of people want to buy weed take that money and fix the [ __ ] problems use that money use that money to fix the problems stop with all the bureaucracy stop with all these [ __ ] useless people that are getting paid for these Pro like the homeless programs in Los Angeles it's just a scam it's just a bunch of people making money some of them upwards of $250,000 a year to fix the homeless problem and they're not they're not doing jack [ __ ] yeah I could fix the homeless problem in a couple months you think so absolutely just go out and build some nice houses and and let them stay there and tell them they don't have to fill out the application you know most of the people that that's homeless they can't they can't the applications you know when you when you run their credit their credit is [ __ ] right you know they didn't pay a light bill or phone build and taxes yeah taxes whatever you know so the credit is
[ __ ] up and and and I mean the problem can be solved you know but it got to be somebody who say you know what we're going to throw a few maybe 50 million 100 million into building some some low-income houses that we we also going to have some treatments you know where people get treated where they get job training uh it's just so many things I mean I don't know when even when I look at you know some our supposed to be millionaires billionaires you know the way they I don't know I I would I would look at this problem and I would solve it totally different um because even though I like making money I'm not I'm not like typical people they they get the money and they want to harness it and they just want it for themselves so that they can look down on everybody else I don't think money is supposed to be used like that I think money is supposed to be put back into the community where the community can rejuvenate and the money circulates into the community and that makes everything better for everybody absolutely yeah you don't want to be the only one that's doing well no that's not a good place to be in life well you know a lot of people are like that you know um they're fools just a foolish way of thinking we look at the way you know the situation with Puff Daddy you know you know he had money so he treated everybody else like [ __ ] you know like you know lick lick a tampon you know like what the [ __ ] what kind of crazy [ __ ] would want somebody to lick a tampon yeah you know I mean that's how you get your kicks you know I get I would get my kick by seeing somebody do good like look at that [ __ ] he's doing good that's my that's my [ __ ] boy you know that's a good kick I like that kick yeah me some people get a kick off of degrading people they get a kick off of being the most powerful person yeah you you know and that's a that's an evil inclination that is built into Humanity for some reason there's always been that impulse for some people to do that it's very unfortunate I think power you can hide your power you don't even have to show it you know you can be powerful and and nobody even know you're powerful because you don't have to use it yeah that's when you're really powerful when you don't have to use it you're like sh I'm so powerful don't nobody
even make me use it yeah and you're using your power for good yeah it's um I mean there's a lot of people with some good ideas in this world and I think we're you know there's a lot of people that very down on the future I don't think that helps anybody I think there's a real possibility that we come out of this better it's just we have to think right and act right and then sometimes you got to go to the bottom you know they say they say um one of the books I read it said that the the end of the storm starts at the worst you know when you get to the worst if you can bear the worst that's the beginning of the end beginning or the end so you know we got to go through the worst you know everybody buckled up and and you I think that has to happen too I really do I think people have to see Things Fall Apart before they realize like oh we had it good and we didn't even realize we had it good yeah and now we're [ __ ] and now we have to we have to turn this [ __ ] around you know we've been going the wrong way we've been going the wrong way for sure but we've been led the wrong way and we've been led the wrong way by people like what we were just talking about before that use their power to subjugate others to keep everybody else down and then we got all these old [ __ ] who who've been running things for for too long you know like why do you stay in the Senate and Congress for 30 years you know like did you ever look at the founding fathers how young they were I haven't it's crazy one of them was 18 one of them was 21 these are the people that started the Declaration of Independence they they signed it these are the people that were the founding fathers of this EXP experiment and self-government that you and I both live in they were young as [ __ ] man and now you look at the people that are in Congress now you look at people like you know like the president he he can't even form a sentence he doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan when he's talking to foreign leaders he's out of it yeah he's too old yeah too old and then you know Mitch McConnell he just locks up when he's talking to people it's like he's too old he shouldn't be doing that he's not not trying to make the world a better place he's just trying and not
let go of his position of power and that's with a lot of them and they get there through years and years and years of being deeply embedded into the system and they they know how to work it and next thing you know they're the top dog I think they all should go spend a couple days in jail you know wouldn't be bad yeah just go sit there for a couple weeks you know and then see what it's like go go in the ghetto go in the homeless Camp let them let them live in the homeless camp for for a week you know eat the food that they eaten and then you really you you really become an American [Laughter] I think if you if you're not experiencing real life then you don't know what real life is right you know if you don't see it you don't touch it you know some of these people never never go out to the communities right they go straight from universities right into jobs in the system they work their way up the ladder yeah and then they have disdain for for the common people which it could have been them you know different R the dice different circumstances different life different parents different parents different place you live could different brother different everything could have been them could have been them and people don't want to think that they want to they genuinely want to believe they're special which I think is a trap well we all special yeah but I mean special different than everybody else yeah when you start to look down on everybody else that's bad yeah you know when you feel privileged for no reason you know if you go out and you do something special you know then maybe you special you know but if you're not doing anything that anybody else can't do then you're no better than nobody else well there's definitely special people but special people are just people and they're just people that have put an extraordinary amount of effort and time and maybe they have just a god-given talent and they've achieved incredible things that and those people also what they do is they elevate everyone around them because they make you realize like wow my Watermark was here now it's here those are the people that I consider special yes you can make other
if you lift up other people yes then you're special yeah I mean there's so many people just by virtue of their success and the example that they set they change the course of so many people's lives because they look to those people for inspiration and it gives them the energy to go out and do things yes it gives them the energy the thoughts the the just the the idea like that guy did it I can do it that's what I want to do I want to succeed and it could be a great thing or it could be what happened to you it's like the wrong inspiration absolutely you know you say that's what these guys are succeeding we don't have [ __ ] they have money I can do that and then you do that but you know that could be in your case it turned out to not be good but in other people's cases in different things with different examples of people that are succeeding like you could have done what you did in the drug game if you had better opportunities in [ __ ] anything I agree and it's genu genuinely it's the dis discipline of an athlete which is an extraordinary discipline the discipline to force yourself to do things you don't want to do you develop that ability and the ability to like really hone in and focus and have drive and and a work ethic that translates to everything everything you just got to find a different thing to do yeah yeah and now with with the internet it makes it it makes it better but we got to get people to where they understand that they should try to do it right you know because once you get beat down once you get beat down you feel like why should I try I'm going to get beat down again right you know I don't I don't have the support you know I don't have the the crutch to hold me in position until I can build my strength up to to to be on my own and I think that we as a society have to uh give this to our children because if we don't our children are gonna be in trouble yeah that's true yeah our entire Society and our society we're all supposed to be one team this is this especially yeah yes I mean if we have countries at all if there is a I mean if you believe in America you believe in any country that's supposed to be your team so everybody is supposed to be on that team together everybody supposed to be trying
to make the team win yes the whole team and that can be done and and no man Left Behind no man Left Behind yeah and if something is wrong you know we got to look out for the ones that you know that are slow that's the sign of bad leadership in our country that that's not being addressed that's that's bad leadership that all they're doing is serving the interest of all the wealthy people that got them into power in the first place and the wealthy people you know once you get wealthy you should want to be a philanthropist I mean in in in in my opinion one of the greatest things that a person could do is help somebody else you know I mean that that is so to me that's like so fulfilling you know you know I people tell me um you know when I do stuff for people they be like oh man thank you thank you and I'll be like thank you sh I should be thanking you cuz you just made my day you know I got off by doing that yeah that's what people don't realize like doing something nice for people is selfish yeah feeling selfish they like they might ask me for a picture in the airport and I'll be like for sure you want to take a picture with me you make them feel good but feel and then you give them some good advice and and and it's like wow what a what a feeling it is you know so I don't know it's just you know I just come up different you know um and I'm from the streets you know I'm from where people kill you for colors you know some of my first Heroes was tuie Williams you know I used to look up to tiie Williams I wanted to be like tuie I wanted to be a [ __ ] you know so to to to now see the world to where I should be trying to say lives you know is a total different mentality than when I was 12 years old 11 years old you know and yeah and I'm saying guys fight over color and and and stuff that was because I was ignorant I didn't know any better right you know but once I was educated to the facts that hey we supposed to be helping save lives not destroying a life what was it like once you got into jail and learned how to read and then started reading and recogniz izing that the world was just a much different place than you mindblowing mindblowing I hate that nobody ever sit me down and explain to
me how how exciting book reading was and and you know the books I started to read was about making money I got to I gotta tell you that too there was about either making money or how the mind works you know how to uh how to think you know how to think successfully how to have faith in yourself how to believe in you you know because when when you don't believe in yourself it's hard to believe in anything right you know if you believe you're a loser then you think everybody else is losers as well right so um having these experiences in these books you know um thinking Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill like just blew my mind you know like [ __ ] people actually think like this here you know like you can think and and Grow Rich you can use your mind to create and and you only really need one idea that could could make you a fortune you know that you shouldn't be allowing other people to feed your mind their ideas you know what they think you should be you know because when I was coming up other people affected the way I thought you know like man you play tennis that's a girl sport you know um you you you write you reading a book why you reading a book you need a gun you know so these things start to shape your mind and you know when I found out from James Allen that I Am The Gardener of my mind and I have to keep my mind Weed Free you know I have to pluck the weeds out as soon as that a negative thought pop in because you know even since I've been home you know they didn't offer me Coke I had a few guys come up oh I was just playing you know nudge you on the shoulder I was just playing just see see where you was at with it uh so as soon as those things happen you got to get rid of them you know because when Blandon approached me about selling drugs again I wasn't planning on selling drugs no more but when he kept offering it and and when I listen to the tape in court man you know I'm in court we going to trial and and they plan to Apes of our recorded phone calls and he says Rick I got 700 kilos the first thing popped out of my mind my mouth and I don't even know I said this how much first thing and I done told myself
I have promised myself Joe I promised myself and my kids I'm never selling Coke again but when he asked me that question on that tape which is probably convicted me wow I said how much WoW unconsciously I I think I I think I had had fallen asleep behind the wheel so you had already decided to get out I was out I hadn't sold drugs in five and a half six years really yeah and the conversations on the phone or what got you convicted yeah was he wearing a wire he was wearing a wire he was recording a conversation he was he had already become a government informant oh my God and I asked him how much oh my God they played that over and over in the courtroom how much how much I just kept hearing myself say how much oh my God and I just put my head down because I knew that uh that was a crucial mistake wow even though I didn't I didn't bite that time I didn't bite but you did say how much I did say how much all it took that's all it took so that showed the interest oh my God if I would have said oh I don't [ __ ] with drugs no more but you know I'm talking to my partner you know I'm talking to the homie we chopping it up right old times just curiosity how much good times you know sound like I don't sell drugs anymore but out of curiosity what kind of figures are we talking about here yeah it's exciting too right yeah that's also a part of the problem regular life gets selling drugs is exciting man the girls oh I bet oh girls girls like drug dealers I bet drug dealers have a lot of money nice cars yeah pay for nice hotels yeah girls like nice things buy you nice gifts nice shoes nice bag nice this nice clothes so it's easy you know when when I when I go out and I talk to these young guys I I don't criticize them because I understand what they going through and I understand that if we don't replace the drug with something else don't even ask them to quit right why why would you ask somebody not to feed their kids you know not to be by their girlfriends or shoes she wants and you know we have to come up with things because you know most of the manufacturing jobs overseas right you know we don't make anything in America
anymore very little very little yeah that how crazy is that who the [ __ ] didn't see that coming that that was going to ruin everything huh just have people in other countries that are extremely poor work for almost nothing it's weird man we're we're a goofy goofy culture and we have so much information it's not like the solution's impossible to solve oh no we can fix it yeah we can fix it but we got to start yeah right where we at you know we got to we got to put our hands down our feet down and say you know what we going to make a stance and and um you know that's what I believe you start with with with what you got where you at you know so many people want things to be perfect no it ain't going to be perfect you know you might have to go through a little something you might have to miss a couple meals you know but this is what it's going to take yeah it's it's just hard if someone's already making a lot of money doing something illegal it's very hard to tell them you're going to going to make way less money and you're going to work way harder and you're not going to enjoy it but it's going to be legal that's a very hard cell very hard cell it is it is but we got to put people first we got we got to learn I mean we got to stop being stupid yeah and and I believe when when when we don't put people first we're being stupid because without people there's no drugs there's no business there's no nothing we are people we are it's us it's just one team team human let's win baby yeah the crazy thing is there's enough resources for everybody there's enough for everybody there really is it's just our system is just it's just manipulated and all [ __ ] up and poorly organized and badly planned I agree yeah I agree I'm I'm you know you know I'm deep deep in in the marijuana industry now and and I'm watching watching these guys and these guys are making millions of dollars but I'm watching them cut their own throat I'm sitting here and I'm literally watching them like take razor blades to their necks how so well some of it I I can't talk on the air about it because it ain't proper right got it got it but I I would just tell you that that that I'm I'm being privileged to to see
this business destroy itself I'm watching them just destroy their business you know uh no Organization no no camaraderie you know I'm gonna beat this guy out I'm gonna beat that guy out um I'm G put him out of business and they really gonna put themselves out of business at the same time it's like I I saw a thing in National Geographic when I was in jail and it was alligator in a one those big water moccasins was fighting and the water MERS wind up swalling the alligator really yeah but in the process he swallow the alligator so when the alligator go inside he's still alive he takes his claws and go like this here oh go probably probably his last it was probably a python might have been a python yeah that's in the Everglades yeah yeah do you know the largest population of pythons in the world is in the ever Glades I didn't know they not even from the Everglades I didn't know that just [ __ ] releasing them and then maybe a research center that got hit with a hurricane there's a lot of speculation about how the population got so large but there's over half a million pythons wow but yeah they swallow the alligator and the alligator Cuts its way out of their body and then they both die they both die there's a photo of one of a 12T alligator bursting out of the body of a python look at this so This python swallowed this alligator and then the alligator's tail is poking out of it as it clawed its way out that's its tail yeah so they're both dead they both died yeah and especially when you're talking about the weed business how much wheed can you sell you really want to put everybody out of business are you [ __ ] [ __ ] why don't you just like make as much money as you can and then encourage all these other people to make as much money as they can and hang out together go have a barbecue together go go [ __ ] go dinner let everybody do good you know everybody set limits right everybody set limits okay we're going to make this amount of money yeah the competition is within yourself the competition is to do better and if you see other people doing better than you you should say what are they doing different than me you should be inspired instead of trying to like
squash their business they can't think it's stupid it's a stupid these people can't think they like they like I mean they like gang bangers almost to me it's very similar there's the same patterns those patterns exist in politics in business in everything drug dealing gang banging everything used to exist like that in comedy used to be comedians were all out out for themselves you know it just takes someone to kind of explain to everybody like this is stupid there's not that many of us we're all in this together there's no it doesn't benefit you at all if someone Society better yes let's make everything better let's make make everything better that's that's what it's supposed to be about that's about when when when when it's all said and done you know I read a book and the guy says when you're at the end how do you want to be remembered and me I wanted people to say maybe they might say I sold drugs I don't care about that part yeah I only sold drugs eight years but at the end I wanted to say he made the world a better place cuz he lived you know when I go out like that there I'll be happy man well sometimes you have to do the wrong thing in order to be an example of someone who can do the wrong thing and course correct and then become a better person like if you're just a good person from the beginning that's kind of boring I like a guy who [ __ ] up a few times and then figures it out and then that can inspire people who have already [ __ ] up their life because people want to think that once they [ __ ] up to life oh my God I'm a [ __ ] up but that's not really the case you just this life is like treated like a game like if you lose one hand of cards you're not a card loser for the rest of your life you got to figure out what did I do wrong well I hit at 17 I should have just stuck in the you know I would have been all right yeah you got to learn and the only way to learn is to [ __ ] up and this idea that when someone [ __ ] up they are a [ __ ] up no they're a human being they're a human being with either bad information or bad counseling or bad examples and they went down the wrong way get off the carpet yeah they knock you down get up yep get up cuzz they say they say you still the champ as long as
you get up well a lot of people will disagree with that I mean it's just it's unfortunate this mentality that people have it's a famine mentality and there's enough for everybody there really is and it's also what you were saying that you like it's selfish to be generous it's selfish to be nice it's selfish to help people because it makes you feel better it really does it's really beneficial to you as and you feel good about yourself like at the end of the night when you lay your head down you're like I'm not a piece of [ __ ] I'm a good guy I'm helping people people like me and I like them and everybody we all benefit and everybody grows that's nice that's a good way to live your life and that's a good example to set and that can be done and this this idea that there's you know that's just you against the world that's that's crazy yeah that's get that's going to [ __ ] you over and I think that's a big problem that we have and you know hopefully we can start on that have you met this rapper that has been running around with your name he Dodges me he Dodges me you never seen him no I called him bad slip rout you see what happened the other night he he he walked Adan Broner into the ring oh Adrian Broner got knocked out well he got didn't get knocked out he got beat up the worst the worst beating he ever got before in his life well Adrien Broner is a cautionary tale because he was an incredibly talented young man very very talented when he was young but he [ __ ] off too much and he didn't stay the path he didn't stay disciplined and you know he had some losses and Ma Donna hurt him that was like the first one yeah there's a few different fights he just you know and now what is he 35 36 broke and if you are um if you're normal men healthy men when they hit 36 their body starts to decline absolutely and he's not that healthy I mean he was fat just a little while ago go dvon Davis took him in and he started training with Dante and he documented it so he showed photos of like he had this big belly he looked fat and out of shape and then leaned himself down to where he had a six-pack again but you're just getting back in shape these [ __ ] that you're fighting have been in shape for a decade they stay in
shape for a decade their their reflexes and timing and technique is finally hone to a Razor's Edge you can't just jump back in and compete with some dude who's been on the game for 10 [ __ ] straight years and is focusing on the path it takes a long time to get back to where you were forget about to where they are you might look the part you mayble to hit pads and everybody's like oh he's back like the the difference between success and failure in the boxing game is fractions of a second fractions of a second the ability to maintain a pace for as many rounds as the fight is the the understanding of how to pace yourself the ability to handle the pressure the pressure of knowing that you've [ __ ] up for so long and this is a big opportunity the nerves the anxiety the sleepless nights before the fight all that's going to weigh on you all those different things when you look at the elite of the elite boxers to a man to every one of them they're disciplined and they stay focused and like okay you know who's the same age as Adrien Broner Terence Crawford best boxer in the world I agree best boxer I agree he I am so excited to see this fight with Canelo Alvarez because I think they the Saudi Arabians have so much money they are throwing so much money at boxing and the guy who's the head of boxing over there wants to make that fight happen I think Terence Crawford forget about the three-weight classes I think he could beat Canelo I think he can too he's the best switch hitter in boxing since Marvin Haggler and he's so and his hands are like rocks oh I I held his hand in Dallas um you know I found kid Austin the boxer oh did you yeah when he was 2 and0 so I helped him get to to where he's at now even though I don't get any credit for it lot of people [ __ ] you over man so I went to that fight and Terence was there and I was with Anthony Peterson you know I managed Anthony Peterson uh Anthony 39 he wants to come back so we're gonna see but Anthony deals with it a little different Anthony stays in shape sparring um but anyway I held terence's hand and they so damn big and they like a sack of rocks I was like damn this dude hands are like rocks so uh I'm taking I'm taking Terence in that fight as well I took him I took him in the uh earol Spence fight too yeah I
thought Earl Spence first of all earol Spence that car accident is crazy if you watch that car accident nobody comes out of a car accident like that not damaged he had to get brain damaged from that car accident he that that car flipped he got thrown out of the car luckily he wasn't wearing a seat belt which is so crazy it's one of the few times where someone not wearing a seat belt Sav their life benefited yeah crazy but that had to [ __ ] him up I mean he was undefeated before that yeah and and OB but you know what Crawford just so good anyway and he and he he he's he's a different guy he's a different guy you know no parties no drinking no he's clever he's clever he sets traps you know he's not just a power Striker I mean not that Errol Spence is not a great boxer he's a great boxer but I think Terrence is one of the all-time greats he's just so slick like you know like he talked about how he knew that he was going to eat a punch in order to counter so he had to like put himself in range so the new Arrow could hit him so that he could crack him he's like I knew I had to gamble on this and you know this is like levels to the way that guy fight the the game he plays yeah when he gets you hurt you're [ __ ] oh yeah you're [ __ ] oh yeah you don't want to be hurt in there with him no he's not going to miss on opportunities he's on that alltime greatness track you know and but again he's like the same age as Adrien Broner it's like Adrien Broner when he was young was crazy talented he was so fast and so good but you just you can't fake that game you are either all in or you are faking it yeah and if you are faking it you're going to run into some dude who's all in you're going to run into some David benovitz character that's just just not skipping days no not skipping days who really want it really wants it it's everything you know it's hard when they get the money to to to stay to stay on that track you know when they get rich you know yep you want to enjoy M I guess you want to enjoy your money of course you know of course but you know that comes out of price and some people the only person that I know that has really been able to avoid that temptation is Floyd Floyd Mayweather was still Elite the elite of the elite while he had hundreds of millions of dollars yeah just still he would go to a club
drink water and then run home with his jeans on run home for Miles he'd have his dri drive and he would run we picked him up in uh Memphis he got off the plane looked like he was on the plane working out he probably was yeah he had on his shorts and yeah was sweaty and he ran straight in went the shower showered up then put his suit on and went to the club so what you're saying is is what I believe is to be correct yeah he shows you all the watches and shows you all the cars and shows you the big house and but you don't see it's the discipline the just the straightforward eyes on the prize discipline and focus that's how you get to be a Floyd Mayweather you don't get to be a Floyd Mayweather any other way yeah there's a lot of talented people out there there's a lot of people that are gifted athletically gifted they're faster than other folks they hit harder than other folks but it's the discipline and the focus that leads you to the end that's how you become a great there's no other way there's no no no one becomes like a sugary Leonard or a Floyd Mayweather or a Tommy Hearns without discipline they don't it doesn't happen you have to stay focused always and if you don't then worse then you're left with a life of regret you sit around well that's what we were saying about the drug business I mean it it applies to to really anything that anything and that's why I believe that I can can can play major roles in so many different businesses because you know and and and I'm at the point in my life that I know that all I got to do is sacrifice for a couple months and and you're in the game you know I've been in boxing now for like six years you know I man yeah I manag about six or seven fighters who do you manage uh I got a guy uh vashan champ right now um Alvin verir I just signed a kid uh I'm I just signed my first national champs I got like four national champs ashin out of North Carolina um damn I can't even think everybody's name and I shouldn't have named nobody because everybody everybody be like why you why you didn't mention me why you didn't give me a shout out yeah uh but I got I got about four four national champs that I'm signing this year um and and and and I don't I'm not a big fan of boxing you're not no I'm not I'm not
really I mean I think when when you're trying to knock the most valuable thing that a human being has which is their brain you trying to knock their brain out right I think it's kind of it's almost like Dyan Coke almost so why are you involved in it cuz I hate to see these guys wind up broke at the end of their careers and they're going to do it anyway so you're going to try to help them I'm going to try to stop that and then they have so much influence over our people man like they can they can say a word and how people just follow them you that is the thing when you see someone succeed in someone who lives dis disciplined life especially if you're like a fan of a boxer it'll make you want to live like that yeah so I I I just felt that that I could step in and and and really help these guys with their money as well as help them become the mentors that they should be and that's why I got into boxing and I started you know Floyd picked me up from the halfway house he did yeah he picked me up on the halfway house yeah that's crazy and I I was trying trying to you know show him what I know but he he didn't really want to use me for that you know have you ever seen anybody confront Rick Ross about you not not not in person no anytime I'm around he disappears but is there any video of anybody can like hey why are you running around with this dude's name when this dude's out of jail now well you know these guys they they kind of like like we talked about when you got some money they don't care if you beating women or making them lick tampons you know everybody [ __ ] with you right so you know he was on top of the world at one time he was Chans officer yeah but he he was but when he got some money that all they forgot about he was a correctional officer you got gangsters you know doing records with him and and you know people who say oh I hate snitches and all this but they doing records with a police officer who who put handcuffs you know I got letters from guys that was in jail with him when he was a correction officer and they told me what a shitty guy he was you know that that they would be shooting dice he would take the dice and all the money and uh they got extra soup he he' take the soups and wow and you know just
just stuff that normal officers just don't you know officers I mean everybody in jail got extra soups you know you save your soups cuz it might come a time and you ain't got them so you stack your stuff up but most officers don't even care you know ah who cares about extra soup we we trying to get the dope dealers and you know the guys with the knives but then you got those ones and they like oh well you got extra pair of underwear you going to the hole yeah and that's how he was that's how he was they say that's the kind of cop he was like and then when I hear that he's the biggest Gangsta rapper on the planet it's like it's just so crazy what is it like having a dude running around out there with your name like if there was a rapper out there named Joe Rogan I'd be like what the [ __ ] I mean it's it's it's it's crazy you know like how would you take my name and not have the decency to ask me first of all you should have asked but then never pay homage you know he won't even admit that he stole the name he he tells people that he invent at the name like how the [ __ ] do you invent this name well it's so crazy because the name was famous your name was famous everybody knew who you were when the the the case came out and when the connection to the the Iran Contra affair came out when when everybody found out what was going on like you were a legend yeah you threw a few million dollars you know toward Instagram and Facebook and and you know the radio station and everybody forget about that you know and you put a little gold chain on and you drive a Rolls-Royce and a couple pretty girls it's one thing if his name was Rick Ross it's possible there could be another Rick Ross out there there's other I've met other Joe rogans that's real me too I met other Rick Rosses but what the [ __ ] man the guy knows who you are everybody knows who you are takes your name I mean it's like it it doesn't even make sense that it's like didn't you have a case you had like a legal case around I lost the case how the [ __ ] did you lose they say I should have filed a lawsuit the judge judge got to make a technical decision she she had to make a decision when did the public first become known of him using my name so what she did is she
picked a little radio station outside of Miami that played his record for the first time so that was a date that the public first became known that he was using the name so there was a statute of limitations of when you were supposed to address it yes what's the how much time two years what yeah you get two years so if we went by her time frame I should have found my 5 days before I got out of jail oh my God I was 5 days late that's so crazy but I think she would have found another reason to right to to come up with a date you know well the record company probably would have helped right I mean think about how much money they're making off of him oh yeah they would have owed me they have 15 lawyers oh my God you know how much money they say they spend on the lawsuit how much $1 and5 million wow you know how much they offer me how much zero zero they never come and say hey man what would you have accepted just to like well you know Joe my mom we was getting evicted out my mom's house during the time of the lawsuit so I imagine if her she was losing her house for 220,000 so if somebody would have came up and say hey I'll save your mom's house cuz you know I was worried about my mom my mom was at that time she was 83 84 and one of my biggest concerns was her being homeless so I probably would have took 220,000 If he if he would have came and say hey I'm going your mom's house uh let me have Rick Ross change your name to to to Mitch or whatever well you wouldn't have to change your name that's crazy but I would licens I didn't even care about the name right I didn't care about the name like that right I just felt that it was so disrespectful that he didn't come and ask me or he didn't show any consideration or or or pay any homage to to the fact that that he actually took my name so uh but yeah I probably would have took 250,000 if they have said 300,000 i' would have been Tickle Pink because I I felt that I didn't need much money to get started you know I meanwhile they spent 1 Point what 1.5 1.5 million I owed them right now I ow
them a million dollars what yeah I'm a million I got a million dollar judgment against because you have to pay their legal fees I have to pay their legal fees my God and then the judge was like oh well I don't believe you guys actually spend 1.5 million but maybe a million dollars oh my God she gave me a million dollar judgment isn't that insane for your name your [ __ ] name and you can't appeal this well we appealed it but you know once once you you know once you lose to the appeals court you're not going to the Supreme Court or anything like that yeah so yeah that's how he wind up being able to continue to use a name you know he changed to Ros though yeah because they thought they might lose if this judge if this judge picks a different date yeah you know um we go to trial right and and they didn't want to go to trial I didn't think I think if they went to trial everybody in La would have like they would have hammered him like you know you stole that name if You' heard if You' have heard the thing that he did you know cuz we did his deposition we took his Depo that was the first time I ever met him in person you know he wouldn't shake my hand either really no when he walked in all the attorneys was a big table was about about 12 people in in the room and he walks in and he walks around table shakes everybody including my lawyer shakes my lawyer's hands and everybody and I stood up to shake his hand cuz I don't have no hard feelings you know just give me my money right so he brows his eyes at me and walks away turn turn his the shoulder like wow you know like I ain't I ain't you know and then he comes up with this this oh my goodness I don't know where he got the story from he said he played football in high school and the whole team was called a Big East and some guy was trying to call him Big East and accidentally called him the big boss and then somebody else called him Rick Ross it went from Big Boss to Rick Ross that's his story that's the dumb how he came up with the name Rick Ross that's the dumbest [ __ ] story I've ever heard in my life if I'd have been a judge I would have hammered him just for
saying you know come in my courtroom lying like that I would been like that's the dumbest but that that's impossible if he's rapping about drug dealing and money it's impossible that he doesn't know who you are impossible impossible not possible I agree everybody KN I knew who you were I had heard the story well you know I don't even remember when I read about it I don't know when Gary web published a story in 96 with the San rer Mercury News my name that year was one of the biggest names in the country yeah cuz the story was insane it went it was the first time time any story had ever been published on the Internet by a major newspaper remember remember the internet was brand new right so when they published that article on on the internet no story had ever cuz remember the CIA tried to recall that article but you know once it hit the internet it can't be recalled they tried to recall the article you don't remember I don't they the the printed copies they they stopped doing they took the CIA emblems off and everything really yeah they made them take all that stuff off but the internet couldn't be you know you couldn't take it back at the time once it hit the internet it it's like boom it's all over the world you know you know when you hit that button ain't no recall right if you put something on that on that thing and you hit that button what you said is what you said you going to have to live with that so when it when it went viral um it was nothing they could do and and it it just went crazy so everybody picked it up you know the cing in Nightline dayline 2020 you know I'm doing I'm doing like six interviews from my jail Cale every day every day people coming out talking to me and I told you that's when the CIA came down the CIA came to my my jail cell and interviewed me the CIA the oig Congress Maxine Waters I mean it was like [ __ ] I become a celebity in jail like they start treating me different what did the CIA say to you in jail uh what did I know about cocaine being trafficed by the contras which you know I I didn't really know about the contras you know I I I knew danelo I don't know about no damn contras and you know I knew you knew the guy who was supplying you yeah that's all I know I don't know
if he was a contra or CIA inform it or I don't know none of that [ __ ] I never cared you know I'm I'm a illiterate you know 28 30 old guy from South Central never watched the news and you know had heard about the Iran Contra stuff but that [ __ ] didn't didn't mean nothing to me had no effect on South Central LA you know what I'm saying I don't know that my prices and my drug quality depending on what happened over there I'm not paying no attention to that I'm just worried about man my drugs going to get here on time is it going to be cheap is it going to be good um so when when all that stuff was coming about they wanted to know how much money I was making you know uh who I bought drugs from what years I bought drugs you know just just a whole basically like an interview so how do you think it worked do you think there's like a rogue element that was inside of the government oh absolutely absolutely but but I'm not mean to cut you off no go ahead because it was a rogue element to it but the Rogue element come from the top as well not that they necessarily sanctioned it but they knew about it and they turned a blind eye they turned a blind eye you know it was a saying U Nancy Reagan said say no and uh Ronald Reagan said act like you don't know yeah that's what they did they admitted they admitted see I admitted yes we knew they were selling drugs and we did nothing to stop them so right there is a crime because if you're a agent of the government and you know somebody's committing a crime you supposed to stop it right but they understood that if they stop that they lose the war right just it just makes you wonder how much of that [ __ ] was going on during the Vietnam war because a lot of people think that the Vietnam War was a lot of it was about moving heroin yeah I heard that as well and that makes sense it makes sense like if you are in a b especially the Vietnam War right because the Vietnam War was started with a false flag so the Gulf of tonan incident starts the Vietnam War the Gulf of Tonka in incident never took place it was a fake incident they said we were attacked by North Korea we have or excuse me North Vietnam we have to go in there and fight the Viet Kong never happened it
was fake they made it up just to get us to go to war so if you're willing to kill who knows how many Americans died in that war 100 hundreds of thousands probably what how many people died during the Vietnam war how many American soldiers I think it's close to 100,000 maybe more and then how many Vietnamese got killed like the the overall cost of lives is catastrophic and they did it knowing well you know that some sometimes they feel that 58,221 up for the rest of their life how many people died totally how many people died to all death Vietnam War What's the total deaths that's just American deaths and that ain't counting Agent Orange right right casualties gets bigger because 1.4 million civilian casualties in South Vietnam because of the war casties me death right I understand including 415,000 deaths and estimated by the defense department gave the figure of .2 million civilian casualties 195,000 it's so it's it's all controversial what the actual number was 1978 estimated 1, 353,000 total deaths in North and South Vietnam during that period [ __ ] man and that so if they're willing to do that you don't think they're willing to make money off drugs I mean if they're if they're willing to let people die so they can achieve their objectives they're willing to sell well they F they fa that you know to sacrifice a few people to to to stop what they felt was the greatest threat to America right was with Russia being on the um our southern hemisphere you know being in Nicaragua you know they felt that that was the greatest threat at that time to uh to our democracy yeah and they felt that they would do anything to stop that what a crazy thing to do though to think about the sacrifice it's going to what's going to do to American citizens including the people that like you you went to jail for helping them the whole thing is crazy and they they probably did it during Afghanistan we still suffering now that's the homeless problem most of the people that's Homeless was on crack right right or something else or opiates or meth yeah it's going on right now yeah crazy it's just there's so much so
much wrong and you know we were just saying I think that's a lot of the Afghanistan war too there was a one of the best videos out of the Afghanistan war that's so ridiculous is watching haraldo Rivera interview soldiers that are guarding poppy fields because they have to guard the poppy fields because if they don't then these poppy Farmers won't side with them and then they'll side with the Taliban so they're they're interviewing American soldiers who are guarding heroin being grown and then during the United States um occupation of Afghanistan heroin production went up I think at the peak like 96% yeah I I I heard that as well and it's a GI it was a giant percentage of the world's supply of heroin and we are guarding it like what and it didn't become that until after we exactly went over there ex and you don't think someone had a piece of that that's crazy talk if they did it with the contas and the sand denas you don't think they would do it with Afghanistan I think there's Rogue elements that look at drug dealing and look at as an opportunity to make money to fund Black Ops projects to fund things that are you know that don't get put on a ledger nobody has to know about well I mean and and just think that if we didn't have situations like what you got here with your podcast the people wouldn't even know about this stuff right what would the normal person find out they're not going to talk about that on CNN Nightline dayline NBC none of those people going to talk about no these topics I mean I I I mean I I I'll be totally bful Joy with with with some of the stuff that that takes place in this country you know I've been on every major news channel in this country since I've been home I feel I have done some amazing things you know I spoke at UCLA USC Stanford same John's nobody covered it nobody came and heard me talk to young people about how they're going to get started selling drugs how you going to get introduced to drug who's going to introduce you to drugs like most people don't even know how people get introduced to drugs they thinking that it's some Boogyman that comes with a dark jacket on and he's hiding in the
dark hey little kid you want some drugs and I'm like no that's not how it's going to happen it's going to be your best friend it's going to be your uncle your father your mother your brother your sister those are the ones that you trust those are the ones that can get your confidence to to make you accept something that you know some strange guy come around you know most girls going to take off you know but your friends the people that you care about that you trust you going to believe in them and they cover none of this nobody covers this nobody talks about this nobody talks about good things that going on in the community you know feeding the homeless uhuh people who are trying to do housing like your guy who you just showed me I I never heard of this guy right you know why why is he not being talked about why is he not on the news you know why they not trying to get funding for him you know why they're not saying man if this guy had a couple hundred million dollar or or you know I mean in California taxpayers agreed to give up extra taxes I think they raised like a billion and some change for the homeless problem where did the money go where is that money bureaucracy that's where it went to went to a bunch of people's salaries it didn't fix [ __ ] and and that's the problem that I have with with our major news people you know it's bias you know they're not going to keep it 100 they're not going to be real you know no they can't they they're funded that's what's really crazy the news probably should be they're probably shouldn't be allowed to be advertised they shouldn't be allowed to have advertisers because as soon as you have advertisers especially like pharmaceutical drug companies and big corporations then you can't criticize those people those people are the people that pay your bills and even if it's not written down anywhere you're not going to like go do an investigative journalism on fizer if brought to you by fizer you're not going to do any of that [ __ ] there you go right there you're not going to do that [ __ ] so you're not the news anymore and that answers your question about the rapper yeah why
wouldn't they question him because he's backed by big Corporation ex exactly and he's worth a lot of money he's going to keep generating money for all those people and he still is like how many years ago was this case we yeah think about how much money he's made with that name since that case I can't remember 10 years 12 years cuz I was still on parole I was still on parole when when we were doing that case he bought a Vander hollyfields House in Atlanta yeah you know that house that a Vander Hol feel Vander when he was a champ was going crazy and I guess he just built the craziest [ __ ] house I mean it's just this enormous enormous house on this giant piece of land 50 50 something bedrooms I heard something crazy like I don't know what he was doing I guess he just wanted the biggest crazy I'm the [ __ ] Champ I want the biggest craziest [ __ ] house that's ever existed and you had to wind up selling it and and then Rick Ross lives in it now just like nuts guys's running around with your name but that's our system and those are the people that are are leading our people they're the ones that's dictating what's going to go on in society man I mean so much of of our kids are being educated by music by TV yeah I mean I've actually went to a school and the kids accused me of stealing his name how old were the kids 14 15 you know did you have to tell them yeah I told him they didn't believe me they didn't believe you no wow because they've been brainwashed you know you know what they call it programming yeah over and over and over and over again you know and and that's why you know I started my own record label you know the two guys that's outside those are two artists that that that I'm working with right now geretti and and Juice the Mac uh I said you know what I'm G start my own label I'm gonna get somebody to go against you you got to fight fire with fire so you know I got into I'm I'm doing so many things right now man but I'm having fun Joe that's good it's good to hear I'm helping people good to see I'm helping them with their career you know and I enjoy helping people with their career that's
beautiful so the the marijuana business like did you get nervous about being inv because it is still federally illegal even though is it is it officially scheduled 3 now or is it scheduled to be scheduled 3 like what is the current status of it I always stayed away from it I got a bunch of offers to do it I'm like that's a trap CU it's still schedule one yeah you know like there's like I said that Delta 9 stuff that's legal I think in every state tot totally we know some people some states V we weed States abandon it oh really because it's taking away tax dollars oh no so we so weed states are Banning Delta 9 TC that is hilarious it goes against marijuana oh my God Tak that's taking away marijuana sales spy versus Spy Dog Eat Dog because they can't tax you know they can't tax CBD uh well CBD is different we're talking about Delta 9 THC but CDD it's a derivative you know it's all part the same you know they fall under the same category really yeah interesting they're just a little different you know yeah well isn't Britney grinder she got arrested for in Russia for CBD vape pen right which a lot of I think that was marijuana was it marijuana they said it was marijuana oh okay so she was saying it was CBD oh it's just a CBD cuz they do have CBD vape pens that I know people like well CBD is phenomenal for inflammation it's so good just for just general well-being and just health and alleviating anxiety alleviating inflammation CBD is phenomenal and there's places that where that's illegal which is just bananas yeah and California's trying to make it illegal right now because it's taking away their tax dollar that is so stupid that's so stupid it hurts my feelings cuz they sell it in every every smoke shot got CBD you know they try to make it illegal yeah oh my God that's so dumb that's so dumb that is so dumb but a lot of states that that actually sell marijuana what happens next the process of reclassifying a substance is lengthy there's still more hurdles to clear the plan has been approved by attorney general Merrick Garland and Heads next to the DEA which will take public comment on the proposal after 60-day comment period there will be a review by
an administrative judge the move started with a recommendation from the federal health and human services department which launched to review the drug status and the urging of President biding in 2022 this is a long ass process but the DEA has not yet formed its own determination as to where marijuana should be scheduled and it expects to learn more during the rule making process that's funny learn more come on guys come on guys yeah you know what it is with DA they don't want to be of course they can keep logging people up oh we need more money that's what's really crazy it's the prison guard unions prison guard unions Lobby to make sure that marijuana stays illegal in certain places absolutely they need that is something that they got big budgets yeah they do and that that is something that is just wrong that is wrong in this world that we have private prisons and that we have people that are benefiting and profiting off of people being in jail because as soon as you make a profit off of something you're going to want to keep making that profit yes and they want to keep you there longer and if imagine if there was just no more law Breakers imagine if like a a genie cast a magic spell on the world and everybody just stopped committing crimes no more crimes and then you can't put anybody in prison what the [ __ ] they'd be like what about our business let's make other things crimes how about thought crimes you know I don't like the way you looked at me that's a crime we got these big facilities we built you know worth unbelievable amounts of money they generate money they treat human beings like a battery like you're a battery that generates money and that's what it's like in these things it's bizarre we allow that it's bizarre that people didn't see where that was going that they they they allowed private prisons well they they they s fear yeah well and this country anybody if you don't lock them up they don't come into your house and and Rob you and kill you here's a big like thing that's a hang up for schedule three drugs okay for example The Proposal does not specify whether State licensed dispensaries would need to be licensed pharmacies because only a pharmacy can dispense schedule three drugs other question question surrounded
the coordination of federal regulations related to drug approval manufacturing supply chain monitoring storage and prescribing so prescribing we go back to prescribing it yeah it needs to be legal like what happens if it gets legal in all the states here's the thing it's legal right now for recreational use in how many states I think it's 19 is it 19 States so what happens if it's all 50 and the federal government is not with us here the federal government we believe is a schedule one and they still allow it allow it to be taxed yes when it becomes a schedule three the taxes are changeed too right they probably make less schedu yeah they make less taxes as a schedule three up to 24 now that allow 2al use 24 38 have medical half of the country so 38 states have medical what is Texas have medical 38 they do but it's very low you got to have AIDS yeah I think you you have to have you got to be on death's door you got to be on death's door well give them one joint and regulate it but you can believe a lot of money coming out of Texas going to other places yeah it's stupid it's stupid because they're not exactly it should be legal 38 medical and recreational so 19 you say 24 so half the country it's only a hand like like three states have no access and it's Idaho Nebraska and Kansas so uh Texas has a CBD low THC program and then uh adult and medical use regulated program is all over the place now New Mexico Nevada California Colorado Missouri Illinois Minnesota Montana Washington Oregon Michigan Ohio Virginia Maryland Delaware even [ __ ] New York which is like New York used to be a bad place to get weed if you got weed in New York you smoke weed outside they'd arrest you you get caught outside you try to buy weed you get I mean New York was sketchy yeah and now I go there and there's stores everywhere I'm like this is CRA Vegas Vegas was dangerous man during the 70s when Hunter S Thompson's day you would get [ __ ] thrown in jail for your life for your whole life for having weed on you and now they have stores everywhere biggest stores in the country yeah huge stores it should be that way everywhere and they should make money from taxes let's not be stupid so what does the federal government do if now it's 24 so it's literally half
the country has legal marijuana what happens if it's all of the country the federal government is like we're the country no the [ __ ] it's supposed to be the States you [ __ ] like this it's set up this way on purpose if you you you have to have the states give the states rights to regulate things if they if the people decided and all those other states look man if you ask the average per if we had a vote just a popular opinion vote in this country whether marijuana should be legal it' be legal tomorrow I agree 100% I mean what is the amount of people that approve and the the amount of people that don't approve it they're probably ignorant or they're people that are like hardcore you know anti- everything people yeah yeah but the I I think I think the country would be safer I mean have you ever known anybody smoking marijuana to go out and commit a robbery hit somebody over the head no they're going sit on the couch and they going to get something to eat yeah they're going to be watching TV you know it's not the kind of drug that encourages people to do horrible things if I had my way I would give it to gang bangers for free oh nearly seven seven in 10 registered voters favor legalizing the recreational use of marijuana on a national level seven out of 10 wow and it's still illegal I mean how is that we the people no what is that no what is that is that to Serve and Protect what the [ __ ] is going on what are you doing it's just weed kids we know what it is you know how many people died from weed zero ever zero ever zero ever the only way you die from weed is if a CIA drug plane throws a bail out the window of a plane and it hits you in the head that's how you die from or they rate your house and shoot you yeah or you yeah get a no knock raid yeah they that no knock raids are crazy that is crazy just bust into someone's house and and if someone breaks into your house what do you do you shoot them that's what most people do and then the cops shoot you it's like the whole thing is crazy yeah why would you why would you be raiding somebody house for weed inway for weed for weed I mean we're going to look back in the future on this the the like like they look at the Inquisition we're going what the [ __ ] was wrong with people back then yeah they're going to look at us like now how
many people went to jail how many people's lives got ruined over marijuana how much are we kidding how much money did they blow exactly talking about they have a h a homeless population that don't have a place to stay yeah and people not having anything to eat yeah it's going to be it's going to be crazy yeah you could tax it folks Legalize It And taxi even if you don't want to do it yourself you don't have to do it yourself I know a lot of people that hate weed good don't use it you don't have to I get it and don't sell it don't sell it but you know what's so funny the people who used to lock everybody up now they selling it a lot of them do yeah I know cops that sell weed now well the biggest cop um the biggest weed dealer probably in America was a ex cop he's the biggest guy he just bought $5 million I mean five million No 5 million square feet of grow area that's so bananas he's the biggest he's the biggest guy probably in the country well good for him but that should be people up so nuts so nuts I mean those should be the guys that say oh you to lock people up for marijuana you cannot get into business yeah if I had my way that's what I would hey yeah did you did you lock somebody up yeah okay you can't get in or we take the amount of time that you locked all those people up for and then you have to wait that amount of time before you get sell weed so you can sell weed in three more lives probably wouldn't be that probably like hundred lives yeah this is this country is crazy man wow people are crazy people are crazy everywhere you know it's like it's it's hard to keep your [ __ ] together you know and and we give people power over other people people that don't have their [ __ ] together have power over other people and then things get just get worse yeah it's weird it's weird we don't learn you know um a friend of mine sent me the lyrics to uh the song I'd love to change the world which is like 70 71 or something like that and he's like isn't it crazy that there's like a cycle like cuz the same [ __ ] they're talking about then is going on now and then I sent him this Assyrian tablet from 2,800 BC that talked about the same thing we talked about it the other day on the podcast this Assyrian tablet talk about the end
of the world that uh children aren't listening to their parents and people are lying and and the world's falling apart in 2,800 BC wow so it's like this cycle of people being stupid and just not getting their [ __ ] together has been going on forever but there's never been more information than ever before like the access to information that people have right now is unprecedented oh yeah the fact that we continue to make the same stupid mistakes regardless of that is just really insane that's what's really disheartening but you know what it the the the way I see it it doesn't matter if you're smart it's who got the loudest horn if your horn toots loudest right everybody hears you and if the message gets out first if the toot the loud toot Horn message gets out first it takes forever for the truth to like overcome that to get in yeah forever there also people don't once they once they accept something in their head it takes forever yeah it becomes theirs they own it yeah they own it this is mine they don't want to change it something has to happen to them when they change it yeah you know no I agree I agree I I say that all the time you know you you talk to people and you be like man that didn't work oh oh no it worked it worked I just did it wrong that time you let's keep trying to lock people up we're going to fix it we're going to fix it through locking people up yeah we we going to get it right we just got to lock up more people build more jails yeah hire more police yeah it's just it's just disheartening when you see the same patterns repeated over and over again regardless of how much people know but I think there's also a problem that you know we think people know but I think a lot of people don't know what the [ __ ] is going on a lot of people don't really have an understand they going get the information right exactly who they get it from right we we we already we already went through CNN Fox uh um the local radio station you know especially if you talking about hip-hop I mean if you turn on hip-hop radio stations I would not let my kids listen to a hip-hop radio station because they gonna be talking about killing pimping selling drugs killing I
mean you be like what the [ __ ] they let this stuff play on the air I mean it it's it's crazy it is crazy and then they wonder why the kids bringing guns to school but did you also see there's there's been these articles written about the cia's involvement in the creation of gangster rap that they they helped promote and push gangster rap I didn't see that yeah this is uh it's all of it's controversial but I wouldn't be surprised because they apparently they had a they had some sort of an involvement in the rock and roll movement of the 1960s in Laurel Canyon and there's been books written about this um that they have some sort of involvement in promoting these kind of activities both with rock and roll in the 60s and then gangster rap in the 80s and they do it to try I think the idea is they do it to try to make sure that Society is always always at a in a state of unrest and that they wanted to keep yeah they wanted to keep people in a state of unrest and promote criminal behavior and criminal activity and gang activity and to do it in popular music and that that would make more crime and make more things happen and that they they can get away with more levers of control because of that makes sense makes sense see you've seen that before right Jamie yeah it comes from it comes from this though is it [ __ ] well it's not that it's [ __ ] it's like ominous letter that went around the internet that the secret meeting that changed rap music and destroyed a generation so got printed on like a hip-hop blog and then kind of went viral from there oh yeah I remember I remember that letter it talked about the big meeting where all the record labels got together because they knew they wasn't selling music anymore so they invested in in in prisons yeah but there doesn't say no one knows who wrote it you know no one ever claimed like that was me right that's it that's the only source of it there wasn't other sources and then it went spiral and everyone some people that liked it repeated it and others you know I don't know that seems to be the source of it I thought there was some other things I thought there was other discussions about different meetings that took place uh nothing official I wouldn't be surprised though I mean it it makes
sense you know if if you listen to what they're promoting now um you know they don't they don't they don't promote no no positive music you know no love songs you know we was coming up it was it was it was by love songs Marvin Gay yes yes Luther rros yeah it's it's weird that that would be a strategy that would work if you wanted civil unrest if you wanted people to stay [ __ ] up you wanted people to not organize not rise up what's the best strategy promote illegal activity promote it promote drug dealings promot make look good make it look good dress them up give me van give me V Holyfield's house even if you used to be a correctional officer and now you're a gangster yeah tell them you sold 300 kilos oh how'd you get this house oh I sold 300 kilos how many people think do you think actually know the story the whole story the real story your story of you and and this guy who calls himself Rick Ross I think older people know uh but younger people don't they don't get it wow they they they they not educated on facts you know they don't go with facts they go with what they hear on the radio uh what their local DJ talks about those are the things that they go with and and we already know that the local DJ is getting paid by the record companies so that's what they believe I believe they really believe that um Jay-Z got rich selling drugs you know they they believe that I don't believe Jay-Z got rich selling drugs you know he doesn't act like a drug dealer in in my personal opinion um what's the difference doing what the way he acts well well drug dealers are kind of like we're looking for somebody to help come up because when you help him come up you come up you know say for instance if I find a guy he's down on his luck and I give him a kilo he starts to sell this kilo I benefit every time he sells that kilo because I get a percentage right of what he does but the way the record business works is they don't help anybody you know when when they get on top they just stay there and it's almost like they're Gatekeepers you know they don't want other people to get in um me I would have been looking for somebody like me getting out of jail oh
Rick Ross is getting out of jail oh my goodness I'm gonna be at the gate when he get out I'm G show him everything he's supposed to do get him right because I know he has he has the discipline he has the focus that he's going to make it yeah but don't you think think that that's just you I think you have a unique perspective but that's a drug dealer's perspective is it really a successful drug dealer's perspective a successful drug dealers perspective let me correct that and most of the drug dealers I was around was successful um because I used to try to teach them I taught them what what I did you know when they was young I was show hey this what you do this how you do this who you look for and so you're probably right a successful drug dealer perspective and most successful drug dealers go to prison and so we know Jay-Z didn't go to prison even though he was in the car with uh uh I think Calvin Klein when when he got arrested uh da let Jay-Z go that's that's the story that I heard I'm not I'm not totally sure how he was in a car with Calvin Klein they talking about jeans what were they doing no there's a guy named Calvin Klein that was different guy from New York oh andal a drug he was a drug de oh okay I didn't know that yeah he was a drug D from I thought you mean like knowing no no no this was a drug dealer out of New York um oh that's hilarious he took Calvin Klein's name like Rick Ross took your name that's his name was really Calvin Klein that's possible no I think the guy real name was Calvin Klein really oh that's that was really his name you know um because he was a real Street guy went to prison and and in the whole nine yards but it's a story that that talks about that how Jay-Z was in the car with him when he got arrested and you know he didn't get arrested so more than likely that meant that in in in my experience if you in a car with a drug dealer and the cops raid they take everybody that was involved so that tells me that Jay-Z wasn't involved with that that activity got it at least at that time that they knew right and usually the DA they they watch you and some of them when they not lazy but how what is it like in the world like if you rap about selling
drugs and about how you were selling drugs but you weren't selling drugs that can't be looked upon well if you're lying you're making up a fake persona it shouldn't be right it shouldn't be back you know in the 90s when when when you know when rap was supposed to been authentic you know people wrote Their Own lyrics and right and and that stuff it was a little different than the way it is right now you know now you know people can write your lyrics you can steal people's names you can steal their verses uh it's just totally different than than the way it used to be you know um you can buy your way to the top now you know you don't have to have talent necessarily the most talented guys are not the guys who who are running the industry a lot of The Talented guys are producers too right they can kind of make anybody famous yeah if you have some Talent and a look and you go pay the right producer because yeah there's a lot of examples music is is you know music is is programming you know you hear the sound and you like that sound and that's why we hear the same sounds over and over on the radio because it's the same producers that are producing the music like uh I'm just waiting to get my money right so I can go to the producers and be like hey I know you want been putting all these guys on I got a guy for you put him on We Ready how much you need 100,000 do it cuz that that's really what it is you know it's only a few guys who who music you hear on the radio over and over again wow but then you have people who just stand out just because of talent still you still have that once once in a while you know want to breakthrough you know you get somebody that's like super super good and and and you know their music just just break through but that's rare they still got to have some money you got to you got to pay Facebook and Tik Tok Gatekeepers and yeah yeah there's just there's a lot it's an industry right there's a lot of money involved as soon as there's a lot of money involved there's control people want to maintain control that they don't want somethingone coming along yeah I mean I look at I look at my case right if you go on the internet I got millions and millions of views where I've done
interviews with different people and and talk to different people but then you go on my Instagram I got 300,000 followers Instagram is weird man I walk through the airport right I can hardly walk through the airport people oh Rick can I get a picture and and then my friends be like man all the people looking at you they want to talk to you but you know so so when I when I when I experience that I understand that they haven't let me grow to where I should be yeah but I think there's I think social media companies other than Twitter X now I think they all have different ways of limiting growth there different different things like my friend [ __ ] Noir he has a uh an Instagram page that's dedicated to Second Amendment he was a a lawyer and he does a lot of Second Amendment stuff a lot a lot of like talking about guns and gun laws and and different things he's been stuck at 1 million followers forever he's been on this podcast like how many times how many times [ __ ] been on five six five or six times great guy interesting really fun to talk to smart as [ __ ] like you would think his [ __ ] would grow stuck stuck at 1 million just stuck like locked up yeah like what's going on there how is that how is that even possible it's only possible of someone's limiting the growth absolutely there's no other way if you come on this podcast and 11 million people or 15 million people whatever the [ __ ] it is see you what is the odds that you stay at 1 million it's almost zero yeah I agree it's zero especially if it's an interesting episode he's always interesting he's a smart dude why would why would people not follow him of course they would they'd have to find them it's hard to find people they make it difficult on some social media platforms to find people they make they post limited so only the followers can see it other people can't see it yeah it's just this weird thing that they do and if you're a guy that at least at one point in your life was involved in illegal activities they'd probably just shove you into a box like they shove you into a category they have you in some sort of an algorithm it's just like like every now and then someone finds you but it's not easy it's not we'll see we'll see what happens we'll see what Instagram does after if you're
at what are you at now okay let's let's check right now I'm GNA check your page right now 300 and something let's check right now so you are right now you are at let's get down to you here what is it Jamie yeah something like that here you are you just we just went back and forth with each other so I'll check right now profile yeah 392 so you're at 392,000 let's see what happens yeah let's see what happens Instagram stop [ __ ] around I think they [ __ ] around with me too it which sounds crazy because I have 19 million but I'm like how come I only have 19 yeah but you everybody in America knows you [ __ ] going on everybody in America knows you I mean I I mean we did that show what almost 10 years ago yeah people still coming to me in the airport man I know your Joe Rogan huh did you tell Joe I said don't tell me tell Joe I'm talking about still to this day people walk up to me and tell me that they loved our episode and that's a long time ago so there's probably been 1600 different episodes since then or more probably more than that and I remember we was like what 60 or 80 or something something like that something crazy like that the early days you were you were in the early days when I was just starting to interview people I was just starting to have interesting people on the podcast I never heard of a podcast a lot of people came on back then didn't I I didn't know what a podcast was you know what I told my guys today when we sitting out there I said had I recognized what a podcast was and started a podcast I would have been the first black guy probably with a podcast back then you might have been so what year so this is like 20 May 4th 2013 2013 11 years so 208 11 years episode 208 2000 episodes since then 2000 was that the first one or the second one I think that's the first one second one was 262 okay wow that's crazy that's crazy and they still remember that well you should do your own now I'll be so busy Joe listen to me stop right there I told you did a t-shirt do a podcast it's easy it's not hard to do man it's easy it'll promote your business now you just call me on now listen it's a it's an easy thing it doesn't cost much money man it's real
economical you know you upload to Youtube it's free yeah YouTube's free you know you you get a a get one of those platforms that supports podcasting and they do things they help you get ads and not that hard man and I bet right away you would get it especially after this episode if you get a big audience it's an easy way and then I'm I'm working on some stuff and before you know it you have 20 episodes 30 episodes you get better at it people like it and you could talk about all kinds of things you could interview different people you could have conversations with friends and then you develop a following and the next thing you know it helps your business it helps the other things you do it helps speaking engagements all these other different things yeah they've been telling me to do it yeah and I've been like oh no you late you waited too late you could have a podcast that's called the real Rick Ross is not a rapper that's a great name for a podcast that's a great name for a podcast I thought that was an awful name for a t-shirt I think that's a great name for a podcast it'll Peak people's interest right away they're like what the real Rick Ross is not a rapper what what kind of [ __ ] podcast is this yeah and then people hear your story they're like oh my god I didn't even know this is crazy yeah yeah I might take your advice on that one it's a great idea I took your advice last time and I benefited I'm telling you it's a great idea CRA hey crazily you know like right now this t-shirt still still brings in Revenue that's be well it'll bring in a lot more after this one but it's just it just makes sense I mean it's only it's just another method to get your word out there you know and and we need we need platforms yes you know because the people with you know some of the people with the platforms don't use them to to benefit the people well also we need platforms from a person like yourself that has gone through this Arc of life you know this interesting Arc of life you know that finds yourself a completely different person now than who you were when you were 28 years old selling drugs it's just a different well 19 when I started when I was 28 I was the
addict I was stuck when I was 28 like you know it's a different when when you go you go 7even eight years selling drugs you don't even know anymore you you like out your mind you're crazy you're just in the business yeah you're just in the business well especially if your business is making $3 million a day yeah that is just so crazy so cra how much money do you think you earned over the entire course of selling drugs well you figure just my two best years um so you say 360 days in a year year just those two years was like what 600 million something like that there not profit though not profit right that's not profit of course but just the amount of money you make profit I make every million I probably make 200 to 300,000 profit off every million I was able to take that much out so that is an insane amount and then that's not counting the other six years cuz I I sold like eight years I did like eight maybe nine years in in the drug business and so you know before I was making a million dollars a day I was making 500,000 a day right and before I was making 500 I was making 400 300 200 right and you know one time 10,000 a day you know so it just but all those numbers add up you know you're talking about 100,000 a day ain't ain't bad numbers you know yeah a couple million dollars a month so I I made quite a bit of money I mean went through my hands yeah not that I made but money that that went through my hands that I touched it's crazy with some crazy numbers we probably be probably be in the billions billions yeah probably would be in the billions that life and that that experience that you've had is very unique there's not a whole lot of human beings that are out there wandering around that can say that so that perspective that you have would be very valuable for people just to just to hear what you did and what you went through in your life it's a very unique story man and it's a it's an American story it is it really is it is American story and and I thought that that America should know about it that's why I wrote the book and you know when I wrote that book I didn't know if I was ever getting out of prison wow that was like my letter to to the world you know like wow this is how it happened you know so that
you don't you don't form your own personal opinion without getting to know the person right because so many people we form opinions about uh I I didn't really like the way the government characterized us drug dealers you know like we was raiding Maniacs you know when I got arrested I was a danger to the community that's how they denied me buying oh he's a danger to the community like like I'm GNA take a gun and go to McDonald's and just go to killing people like right no it don't work like that that's not who I was you know uh I had absolutely no violence in my case you know uh which is pretty incredible I could have been violence you know I could have been violent I had guns but I never used them so why am I considered a danger to the community right so they consider drugs a danger and even even when we went to jail you know um I was Black Box you know they put a black box on you they put handcuffs on you and then they got this little black box that they slide over the handcuffs so that your hands are like stiff and then they cuff you to your waist and you can't even use bathroom you know like it's crazy and then when you go to prison uh you go to the worst part of the prison because they classify you with the guys who do murders and the bombers and so now they got drug dealers who I consider myself almost like a white coll of crime you know businessman a businessman you know I wasn't I wasn't looking to hurt nobody uh but we were still classified like that so I wanted to show people people the mentality that I had that that no um yeah I did get crazy with drugs you know I wanted to sell all the drugs I could sell I mean my my mission in life became sell as much drugs as you can you know it wasn't about making money anymore it's like become the biggest drug dealer that you can become you know be [Laughter] great that that's how I felt right be great at it right you know [ __ ] how much money you make and you already you're not going to spend all the money you got you don't even spend the money you make now but just be great at what you do so it wasn't about money anymore it just became you know I'm GNA be great at it
you know isn't that crazy that that that mentality you can apply to almost any industry just unfortunately you applied it to the wrong one yeah yeah and that you know and and somebody asked me before uh do I have any regret that would probably if if if if I had a regret that would be the regret that I didn't take those skills but but I learned so much from selling drugs those [ __ ] guys taught me man they taught me what the teachers couldn't teach me because they had a different passion to teach me they they wanted me to [ __ ] get smart so you can get my drugs cheap and good we need you to be smart we don't want no dummy we don't want to be getting our dummy our drugs from no dummy so you get smart so you can make sure that when we come get our drugs we're going to be safe we going to get the best drugs uh uh uh the price is going to be right we like what you do so we teaching you and they taught me I mean somebody would have told me about a gram a gram what the hell is a gram what is a tenth of a gram what is eigh of a you know what is a e what is a quarter ounce what is an ounce a't no none of that [ __ ] I failed science in school cuz I couldn't read huh I never went to science they put me in special head wow I sit in the classroom and and and make paper airplanes you know what I'm saying I'm throwing paper airplanes around the classroom I know nothing about no science but when I started got in the drug business they taught me they showed me where the gram was and they showed me how to work with triple beam and I didn't know none of that [ __ ] they showed me what a money counter was they taught me how to work a money counter I didn't know none of that [ __ ] Joe I was I was Green Man we missed one of the greatest [ __ ] interviews man the guy I bought my first ounce from he was paralyzed when I got out of prison and we were shooting a documentary and I go to his house you know when I found him I found him I went and found him because you know he he was like my partner you know I loved him I knew he was paralyzed too when I went to prison he was already paralyzed uh but when I got out he was like on his last
leg and I almost got him to talk man on camera he talked off camera and he [Music] told he told us and what I should have did I should have promised him man do the interview when you die I'll put it out but I won't put it out until after you're dead and I didn't I wasn't thinking in my right mind you know you never want to tell a friend that he's going to die that was the first thing I didn't want to say that but man he told he told us about me when I started and it was just like so fascinating to hear him talk about me to me you know and he's laughing about how green I was how he used to take dope out of the bag and I didn't know he took it out the bag he said man I wouldn't sell him a kilo because I could get four extra ounces out of the out of the kilo and and I could sell him a pound and it was just so much stuff and and it was like amazing for me to to to understand that at one time I knew absolutely nothing about cocaine i' never seen cocaine before and they taught me they took me and molded me which's really crazy is that even though that sounds like oh my God that's illegal activity that's drug dealing that's but it's really a system and you figured out how to excel inside the system you figured out a business and you really could have done that with anything yeah to me it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't illegal I mean I mean I understood it was illegal but I understand now like you saying that it was the mentality of being able to be taught to being able to listen to be able to follow instructions was the part that I feel was the most valuable lessons in this whole thing is that I learned to follow instructions I Lear learn to listen I'm doing the same thing with the weed business when I when I first got into the weed business was you know when I was out of jail and we were smoking weed and stuff it was like two two kinds of weed Tha bud and indica that was it now [ __ ] it's thousands of different strains and bnst got involved scientists got involved so they tell me uh uh smell the weed [ __ ] I can't smell [ __ ] I don't know the smell I I don't know
nothing so I had to learn the smell you know I I had to learn what what smell you're looking for so I basically what smell are you looking for well now one time it was the gas the the the the OG smell mhm and it was really like gassy smell like gasoline really stanky now it's a candy smell like a sativa like a sativa sweet you know they want that good taste that's what everybody's into yes wow but now the stuff I just gave you is the brand new stuff that the guy just created you got you got what they call he calls it candy gas oh boy this hybrid it's a hybrid he he has the highest testing uh uh weed in California my partner uh from Green Dragon as the name of his company and he just invented this strictly for me he said Rick this is the first time that anybody going to get candy gas he said will you please get Jo Rogan your jars and tell him to let us know how he like it but it's candy gas so it's gonna have the OG High you know OG knock him out on the couch stretch out give me something to eat now I ain't moving but it's going to have that sweet candy taste that everybody's looking for so he's saying that this year is going to like shake the market up it's funny so I know how to do all that I know the smells now that's interesting it's funny how much it varies you know really does and he's a scientist like you said he's a Bist you know went to school for and and the whole nine yards so once they got involved yeah total different game yeah total different game it got scary like they they started making some just insane high THC content weeds yeah one of the arguments about it being illegal it's like the marijuana of today is different than the marijuana of back in the day it's so strong and people are going crazy like listen people going crazy no matter what you do yeah you know well at least they're not using fit now that's true and that's also the problem with things being illegal is that they're cutting it they're cutting when you're buying it from the cartel you know there's a lot of stuff that people are buying from the cartel it's cut with fentanyl a lot including like Street pills like pills like fake fake Xanax and fake Valiums and it's it's all
cut with fenel fake Molly and like you said that's what happens when you put that illegal Market together exactly and meanwhile it costs us a 100,000 lives every year just in this country from opiate overdoses and what are they doing to stop that nothing it's it's just a it's so perplexing it's so perplexing the the the problems of our world today it really is cuz it's such a complicated series of issues and it doesn't seem like any progress is being made like even the minimal progress that's being made with marijuana like the the the good progress is States making it a legal U for recreational use making it legal but the if the federal government still doesn't have it legal like what the [ __ ] are they doing like why how is that still a thing yeah the federal government should just get out of it yeah just wash their hands with it like leave it to the state we're done with it whatever the states do let it do that's what they should have done a long timeo done with it well they should have rescheduled it they should have made it legal just just scheduled it make it legal it should be legal it's stupid the whole thing's stupid it's stupid there's plenty of things if alcohol is legal marijuana should be legal that that's simple alcohol destroys lives destroys liver I had a guy in here last week he lost his liver and his kidney and a liver replacement and a kidney replacement just from drinking himself to death and cigarettes oh yeah all that stuff legal totally legal it's crazy we we live in a strange time but you know it's interesting well we starting to talk about it so yeah I mean the first thing you know nobody used to talk about drug dealing right you know that was a taboo you know to have somebody to come on and say I sold drugs right you never would have heard that before no not like this so now now we're talking about it uh people were starting to understand how to get started selling drugs what to look for and and that's really all I can do you know if if I can educate somebody on what to look for when it's coming your way hey I did my job yeah and explain the pitfalls and also don't ask how much when someone calls you up someone get
suspicious yeah don't get addicted cuz if you get addicted you're going to ask how much right how much right especially if you're addicted to the thrill of the game if it's uh you know an exciting thing and then you're not doing that exciting thing anymore and you miss it cuz everything that you're not supposed to be doing is exciting at least in some way especially something that's massively profitable but at least you documented it right here Freeway Rick Ross The Untold autobiography second edition well it's it's it I took out all the misspellings and you know the typos and cuz you know I publish oh okay you selfish I self-publish it yeah so if anybody want to get it tell them to go to my website fre Ricky ross.com don't go to Amazon because they keep all the money Amazon keeps all the money they keep a lot of it yeah we don't get we don't get much money okay I bought you my other one too I did that one since I've been home 21 keys of success those are 21 keys that I use when I got out of prison all right beautiful and this is available on on my site as well free rick.com fre Ricky ross.com okay all right I bought you a few gifts you know I'm saying I I'm going go I'm going go and give Jo something that's my other one oh three books look at you man and I also bought you one of my sweatshirts all right and I just want to tell you man thanks for uh the world famous Freeway Rick thanks for all you did for me my pleasure and uh your story is crazy and you know what I'm going to take you advice on the podcast you should you know I hope you do everybody else been telling me and I've been like ah yeah yeah but I did so well the last time you told me to do something and I would be going against my own principles you definitely should listen you're an interesting man and you've had a fascinating life and we need more interesting people and interesting voices we need more people you know we grow and learn from other people's perspectives of the world when you get to hear a person who's gone through the life that you've gone through which is very unusual when you hear that person and talks it educates you and informs you and and changes your perspective you you get to add to your perspective of
the world from another person's life experiences and that that benefits everybody oh no question it does I agree all right let's do it again sometime man next time we do it talking about your podcast when the movie come out okay when the movie come out I'll come back well we just H the director uh 3 weeks ago so hopefully this summer we go in production okay when it comes back you come back I'll be all right thank you sir appreciate you bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]