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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's going on my man Joe is that Bigfoot on your shirt says that is it is Bigfoot non-vegan how do they know Bigfoot is not a vegan see I don't know I mean but I think he's got K9 like us so there's a good chance that he does eat meat you know I think Hunters are the number one argument against Bigfoot being real I've never met a hunter who's seen Bigfoot no and as M especially some of your guests you've had on and on top of I mean even myself and now you spend a lot of times in some pretty desolate places yeah and all the trail cameras we should have gotten one picture yeah trail cameras throw a big monkey wrench at that Bigfoot thing I agree and and and I'm always still you know the conspiracy that I'm still every time I check especially when you get in those deep dark places out west and all throughout the country and even the South and think maybe just this time it would be fun it would be fun but it's just it's very unlikely you mean there's only like two Jaguars in the United States and they know exactly where they are well that's exactly right I mean I was thinking back and even listening you know like you've had ranella of course cam a lot of a lot of my Hunting Buddies and people I look up to as well Remy Warren all those guys and you start thinking about the amount of time we spin in the woods and we don't even see a mountain line or you talk about the Wolves they're all these wolves is starting to be reintroduced and you still don't see them a lot of times they're there but then again you capture them on trail cameras you know in the middle of the night but yet Yeti or SAS Sasquatch only Jack Links beef jerky has seen him and I saw him on the Super Bowl commercial yeah they're they're in a lot of commercials they're in movies I think they used to be real I think it used to be a real thing I mean they know there's a thing called the gigantopithecus that lived somewhere around 100,000 years ago that was a bipedal homid that was 8 to 10 feet tall holy cow look in the rangang family I think they believe it was that'd be something to get Graham Hancock on we need to get him back to find that that creature well he's he's busy he's busy
with a lot of other [ __ ] it's like just trying to sort out the past trying to sort out human history that was some of the most intriguing I I was dug deep into that and it went because of hearing him on the podcast and went and watched just finished season two watched season one soon after I'd seen him here first it's pretty compelling it's pretty amazingly compelling yeah well and once you realize first of all that there's real physical evidence that something happened around 11,800 years ago that the Earth was most likely pounded with asteroid debris yeah and it probably [ __ ] civilization up pretty bad and it can happen again makes complete sense you know it it it's I mean hear in his perspective on it and how he researched it and it's it's from the standpoint there's you know as we know politics and everything gets involved in everything you know and it's just almost like he was a a journalistic really smart intellectual guy who was intrigued it's just a good approach the way he studied it to me that made it even more compelling and then the findings he did find I don't know I just I was very intrigued by you know how he really got into it no he got into it researching The Arc of the Covenant really yeah because uh in Ethiopia there's a specific Church in Ethiopia that has always been rumored to be the place where the Ark of the Covenant is stored and there's these guarders of this these people that are guards of this area and they all develop cataracts they all have like radiation poisoning and they're guarding this one particular area they won't let anybody look at it they won't let anybody talk about it and Graham got fascinated by this and they started doing a deep dive into history and historical accounts of the the Covenant and these the ark and all these bizarre stories that have lasted throughout history and the real evidence that there was really sophisticated societies that lived thousands and thousands of years ago when we kind of assumed that people were hunters and gatherers you know Egypt is great example that like whatever they were doing there was [ __ ] insane right I mean the structures that they made still today we look at them and we go what the hell were you guys doing like yeah how
was this made yeah and he believes that Society had reached a very very sophisticated level of technological achievement and then something happened mhm and now we're we're living in like a rebuild even though we're very sophisticated you know in terms of Technology our Technology's gone in a completely different direction than theirs did and where did did Graham ever in his conclusion in some of that about the Covenant did he ever think that it's still there they think it's still there yeah so some people thought it might have burn up in Jerusalem I think it was or see if you can find what where that is Jamie it's supposed to be in Church in eth oh J James already got it I I just had watched something on that because I'm intrigued by all that kind of stuff well you know when you really start digging deep into it it's very fascinating this one particular place has been protected for so long and all these people that have supposedly seen it describe something that's you know Trump apparently has like a model of the Arc of the Covenant at Mara Lago no way yeah see if you can find that yeah he's he's got like Recreation of the Arc of the Covenant in and that whole Covenant was pretty cool based on how you know God had said look it you know had an inter saying this is how big it's got to be it was built out of a certain wood inside and out gold the handles everything was there to hold the Commandments and then I I but then but then I saw something to where I don't know if Jamie Jamie and Mike could probably pull it up but I to where some people speculate it could be under the Catholic church I heard that like in the Vatican in the Vatican yeah and then lot of [ __ ] in the vaan oh my goodness have you ever been there no I haven't but I heard you talk about you went and had the guide and said it was amazing it's incredible they have so much they have billions of dollars in art like where did you guys steal all this from back in the Roman days look at this this is Trump's replica of the Arc of the Covenant at marago just like pretty [ __ ] wild and it's almost exactly the the replica of what is assumed to been look like you know well I mean it's I I think that's a recreation based on biblical accounts absolutely very strange well maybe Trump
can take us and show it to us man that'd be cool what did you say Jamie I was trying to figure out if I mean clearly it was there it might have just been there temporarily it looks like that might be like on display in Israel or something I don't know so it's a replica that that travels around is that what it is temporarily is that I can't find like that it lives there but there's definitely obviously people with pictures of it bro if I had Trump money I'd have one built like make me not come on I would too I would too it's a cool thing to have on display I mean I wonder what it was I mean if these if these guys really are guarding it in Ethiopia like what is the radiation from like why why do they all get developing cataracts and radiation sickness and we've all watched Harrison Ford try to find it exactly exactly it's all it's so fun it is fun all that ancient civilization stuff is so fun because it is really kind of a mystery you know and it's it's fascinating when and I'm I'm sure you've uh been hunting before and you found AR arrowheads yes a lot when you find one of those you're picking up this piece of History you got to imagine some Native American was napping this Flint on his knee sitting there who knows how many thousands of years ago exactly they find 3,000 4,000 year old arrowheads and you just got to go God what was life like then man oh I can only imagine and like where I'm from in Georgia and obviously you and I both love archery but all the AirHeads I find are are quartz so we have very little Flint and I'm not at all historically sound on understanding everything I mean I got friends actually Jeff Foxworthy is is one of those guys he lives right down the road he is obsessed with Indian artifacts and has an amazing collection like goes across the country you know it's hard you can call Jeff right now you probably can't get him to Austin to come do the podcast but then all you got to do is tell them hey man I just plowed up a field and it rained and we just found two nice Flint heads he'd probably be here tomorrow I mean he loves it he's eat up with it Fitness isn't just about what you do in the gym it's also about your nutrition but even with the best diet some nutrients can be hard to get and ag1 can help fill those gaps ag1 delivers optimal amounts of nutrients in forms
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don't know enough about it like is it a spearhead I found some heads like look at this I found like well that's a spearhead or that's this or that you find somebody like Remy or I got a friend named Ike rainy who's really uh big into artifacts and if you find something what you think it is it's kind of like the first time I hunted in Africa I thought I'd shot a spring Buck or a d I thought I'd shot a d Dyer and it turned out it was a spring Buck it's like oh okay there's only 7,000 species of animals out here so I think aits are the same way it's just it's amazing but to think you're right I mean think of somebody sat down thousands and thousands of years and nap that out and how many times did they not get it right you can see that's perfect yeah they probably had to do a lot of them a lot of them probably broke off wrong oh yeah I it's probably not a very good success rate especially when you're working with flint and chipping away at it but when they get good at it it's such an art yeah like when you pick one up like a real Flint Arrowhead God there's a lot of guys that make them now though unfortunately so there's a lot of forgeries correct yeah correct a lot of nerds a lot of Archer nerds they get real good at it and then just leave them scattered around places or pretend they found exactly you know you could do that just almost yeah you totally could do that but that that's a legit one that was actually pulled out of the ground it makes me less whine when when you know like if you're out in Utah and you have success in Elk woods and you're butchering an elk and trying to get them packed out when you're just having to resharpen your knives like this the least I can do is resharpen this knife I mean these guys had to nap out ahead I mean how long did that take just to go huntting elk you know yeah they lived for thousands of years with no metal oh I know it I tell you something was interesting we hunted a place in Montana where we it it was on the Milk River and they had what they called a buffalo drop on this property oh wow and and so if you went to where this Buffalo drop was you could go to the base of it and you could find there's not there wasn't any much left now we used to hunt back in the day uh mostly in the uh I hadn't been since 200 I think it was seven or
2010 was the last time I had went out there but at the base of that you used to could find all kind of bones you know bison bones you know uh you know Buffalo and stuff but you would sometimes find these little tiny heads uh and and they didn't look like this which is interesting what Remy brought up maybe that was for fishing or something I don't I don't know but all the heads we would find would be tiny little almost like bird points is what I felt like I wanted to call them I heard them call before and supposedly what they did was is they didn't necessarily weren't trying to kill the Buffalo they would hurt them and they would just kind of Peck them with the arrow and then they would run the Buffalo off of this this cliff and so it basically die coming off the cliff and it was so cool across the valley you could still see all the old stone rings to where supposedly the ladies or the squads would sit there and look back and soon as the men basically had you know whatever amount of Buffalo I guess over the drop they would come and Butcher and the man would go back and you know smoke the Peace Pipe and relax so uh times have changed a lot so uh was telling me about this one site where they had a Buffalo drop and the pile of Buffalo was so large and there was so much Decay that it actually created a fire holy like started on fire because they're all just rotting and fermenting and some sort of combustion and so the entire side of the cliff was black from these Buffalo falling off of this place rotting and then combus created a fire yeah I mean I don't even know how that would work I I don't either but I do know that those Buffalo drops do exist and it's pretty fascinating and the place where we were hunting is a a you know private land owner he was a Rancher had some cows and um he was very funny he did not want us to video on any of our episodes or or anything to do and back then we were videoing uh I was working with Bill Jordan and we had a Show on TNN back in the day and um he's like do not bring your cameras I don't want any TV cameras around here he said because they'll come and all of a sudden they'll set this up as a historical site and I'll have so he was really funny about it so I don't even I didn't even take a lot of pictures of it because I was always like
hey you know this guy didn't want us to take any pictures and talk about it but man every time I'd come back you know for morning Hunter we'd go Scout I'd come back and like man I want to go to Buffalo drop like you know you just like a little kid like a little 10-year-old kid boy scouting like look at this here's a head or here's a buffalo horn or or skull and most of everything that would have been there had already been picked through because it's right off kind of a County Road and so most of the locals knew about it and of course you know he's had kids and grandkids just kind of rummage through it but it was pretty interesting but every time you'd go you'd find something so it was really interesting it just just really stretches your mind and your imagination to imagine living like that back then and that these people while you know Rome was being built the Coliseum Europe all this all these different places of the world these people were living the same way people lived tens of thousands years ago right here it it's crazy and and now it seems like we're so far removed from it but yet as we we talk about it that romance hadn't left and even getting a chance to chase a bull elk there's still some amazing rural wild places out there that where you can kind of revisit and and that was the first thing I noticed is all the U the the Native American pictures you had I hunt a lot with Native Americans lot with the Navajo Nation I've become like family or they become like family to me I go out there every year and the resources they have you know I know cam hunts a lot you know as it the muscolo and different different places and I don't know man and even sadly even amongst the natives some of that culture is being lost with them more and so we even go out every year and do a hunt with their kids we take 15 to 20 Navajo youth hunting every year out there with the Navajo Game and Fish and they have a lot of mentors Gloria Tom who she's just stepping down but she was the uh kind of in charge out there and we would go and work with people like Jeff Cole and that whole Navajo Nation the families and we' take just their kids the kids of the Navajo Nation hunting and sadly enough they're they're like a lot of kids in America eating little Debbies and playing Xbox you know it's like man you
got 17 million acres in your backyard come on bro you're supposed to be the damn Eagle you got to you got to fly and dip down we got you know I'm even out here you know it's your your room and we me too I have all kind of Native Americans My Heroes um were Native American Hunters like isy who taught Pope and young how to bow hunt he's who got yeah isy out of California I think he he come back and and uh he he basically taught those guys who were doctors he introduced them to to bow hunting and then Pope and young as we kill a ilk we think oh is he big enough to go Pope and young well explain to people what pope and young is for people don't know what we're talking about pop and young is um so basically Pope and young were were two guys that basically just kind of revolutionized archery as we know it a lot of times I mean obviously you throwing around names you got to talk about fredbear and stuff like that but prior to that there was an Indian named ishy um out of a California tribe and I'm I'm not good enough at remembering exactly what tribe that was but uh there's a lot of cool information that you can read obviously if you ever get your hands on um Saxton Pope and arthor young any books it's fascinating like my favorite book of all time is called The Adventurous Bowman a friend of mine Jeff Johnson who's a writer gave it to me and I I read it all the time and even my kid I read them that book at night you know and it talks about their first Venture into Africa and and when they went there when they hunted Grizzly when they hunted elk the first time and so these guys were kind of based on what I can assume seemed to be pretty much City Slickers who had basically um a patient called ishy who taught them how to hunt and and pictures of him you can still see him he looks like he's dressed at a Ted nent concert in 1969 you know jumping off the amps and uh and so yeah and so now that's become similar to Boon and Crockett uh Pope and young is an organization that's formed around you know celebrating certain animals that are trophy aspect and if you get a you know say a white tail deer that Nets 125 in on the PO po young scale you can enter them into the pope and young record books and every category of species like elk bear Caribou moose so on so forth has that and so it's just
kind of to celebrate a lot of the heritage of archery and so Pope and young a lot of people don't know it but that that basically is the basis of what it come from but it starts back to guess what a Native American these arrowheads they passed it on and so now we're kind of carrying on that same tradition and so as a student of the game it's like it's so cool to talk about a they are oh look at that yeah wow look at that that's cool is there any can you find Jamie is that isy that Saxton Pope right there there's issue there oh wow can you imagine you're learning from The Source yeah I mean they and and and there's so many amazing what year was this man I don't even know it had to been in the uh I don't know was it 20s or maybe maybe maybe 1900 I know it was early you know what it's fascinating when you think about what we enjoy we enjoy archery2 1912 so that guy you know that that is like he was alive in the 1800s absolutely so he was doing that like that's literally from the source and there's another thing and it's it's crazy to think about this another thing I read and heard told because obviously you know you travel around and it's always trying to figure out you know what's fact or F fiction but I'd listen to U Casey means on this podcast we talking about our food supposedly isy who come in who was actually living very primitive but come in and once he started hanging around and got westernized quickly got fat because I don't know if little Debbies was around then no it's the only thing I hated about the whole Casey me that whole podcast I was like man I used to love a good oatmeal pie now I'm sitting there like I don't know that glass of milk should I even partake but um I think he gained a lot of weight and started getting a lot sicker just and the food back then was so much better than the food we have now yeah just around a lot of people and all of a sudden he was trying to fight probably viruses and diseases and and getting an abundance of a certain food he wasn't used to and supposed I think he got a little heavier and less healthy just being around probably a lot of grains and sugar probably I'm sure yeah he's probably eating mostly meat before that probably so just a fish fish outed the creek and
yeah you know backstrap out of a mu deer you know the way everybody did for thousands of years y it's just so interesting that if it wasn't for guys like pop and young and Fred Bear I mean how many people were evangelizing bow hunting back then I mean how many people were making it something that was you know because as soon as rifles came along the way everybody looked at it was oh rifles are better you can shoot something further it's easier to do you hunt you hunt with rifles but to make that choice this decision that there's something more more connected more spiritual about archery and bow hunting if it wasn't for those people that were promoting it people like Fred Bear corre who was so he was so articulate in the way he would describe things and the way he would describe the benefits of just archery practice about how archery just removes your cares like if you could just concentrate on that Target and just just practice archery it cleans your mind and I find that today I I do too it's almost like you go back in time every time even though we pick up you know these new Hoy bows you're like oh my God look at the technology it's a lot more accurate it is it's so much more accurate and so uh yeah it's it's amazing and you're just exactly right it is spiritual and to think back of where it was to where it is but then you think about the rifles and the technology we have there but keep in mind I'm sure uh you know in those people who are really hunting for substance absolutely if if we leave tomorrow and we can't go and get us a nice steak dinner or we can't go to the grocery store and buy us a some chicken or rib ey whatever it is we decide to eat well absolutely if you're like Hey Joe your wife and my wife is wanting us to kill a few squirrels and uh we going to have squirrels and gravy and my wife make some good biscuits it's like why don't you know let's leave the hoists at home let's take a 22 and a 410 let's just go get us a mess of squirrel yeah and so I think probably they looked at it that way and once that came about and then it slowly become somewhat of a I hate to even say it as a sport because I don't look at as a sport it's a culture it's a discipline it's a it's a discipline but I I think to know that we're still going back and celebrating
that and still talking about isy and Pope and Young and the bears and what they set forth and even people like Chuck Adams who was always one of my heroes um you know Cam and I were talking a lot about that in Texas just golly Chuck Adams was hunting these elk and always had that little green beanie shot those double x 78 arrow and man you would nobody is like you know all the kids and even me you know I was this little chubby white kid that thought if I bought Air Jordans I could jump higher and and Michael lied to me man you're a liar Jordan I can't jump any fast higher I can't run any faster but you know Chuck when I saw those arrows and I'd see that bow i' like man I got to have that I want to be like Chuck you know I want to be like Fred Bear and so uh it's just amazing to see and to see that we still are celebrating it so it's really well it has a very deep connection to the human mind there's something about archery that I think it's because as human beings evolved you know we developed the bow and arrow they invented it they they refined it and that was how people hunted and got their food I think there's a genetic memory of that that's inside of our heads because there's like there's something eerily satisfying about hitting a target with an arrow it's so much different than anything like I like practicing shooting rifles I like I've hunted with rifles I like it I like it it's great same here it's not the same it's not the same it's not the same it's like a 10 times tenfold different yeah it's it's uh it really is amazing it's like every time if I go right hunting I love it I mean absolutely love it still love the whole culture of it I grew up in Georgia where I mean people were on these leases you know it' be a me me property which was Timberland or Georgia Power lease there'd be 10 of us on 500 Acres or sometimes more than that and so you know everybody took a 30 off six Remington semi-automatic you know a scope on it with over and under sights and we'd meet up at Uncle Morgan's Barn me and my dad and Scott Steiner my uncle Tommy and uncle Jeff and where are you going like hell I think I'm going to go to the boat seat you know I'm going to holler one nobody talked about win or nothing and it was just a bunch of old guys high five and and we would walk back there
and hunt with a rifle and soon as you heard a rifle shot you're like that was Uncle Tommy I bet you he's got a big one you know and so it was just so amazing that part of it so I still go back and do that from a culture standpoint to feel just that feeling and Vibe of being standing there in a pair of Kmart boots with some old walls coveralls draped over with them all white long handles you know that we thought we could go to Antarctica in in reality it was just some cotton it soon as it got wet she froze to death and uh and just the thought of that of being literally in my time 11 12 years old just being one of the men with a 30 Al six on my shoulder climbing up in a pine tree in a tree stand built out of leftover lumber for my dad's construction job that was the most unsafe thing in the world and uh a lot of people got hurt falling out of those things and I remember we got our first bow my dad and I my dad had an old brown and bow and he had a couple old recurs when I was young and he pecked around with him and then I remember I was 13 and I was working him on a job site and um that's what my summer job my dad was a carpenter and so I'd go work and man he worked cornbread hell out of me too you know just to show me how to be accountable and just what it was like to work and he paid me $2 an hour so he said you need to pick you out something as a goal figure out what you need to save your money for you don't even blow it on something stupid and I said well I I don't I don't know and um and at the time some of my buddies they were saving up want skateboards well at the time we lived on a dirt road so I'm like what am I going to do with a skateboard you know I'm I was like I can't I got to go into the city to use a skateboard so my buddy Jackson Bishop we called him boo he lived in the city and we hunted together he said I'm buying me he said he was working with my dad and I too and he ended up saving his money and bought him a really cool skateboard I remember he built it and went and had posters of it well I ended up deciding that I need to get me a bow and ARA so I went and bought me a a Martin Pro Eliminator bow from Big Buck trading post paid $200 for that sucker was that a compound bow it was a compound bow what year did compound bows get invented it would had to been I would say in the 70s I mean
the first I remember um was talking about Fred Bear the old white tail Hunter and then you had the white tail Hunter 2 and stuff like that and then I know uh Browning came on pretty soon in that and then obviously you had ho that was did they even have sights back then uh we we had like a pin sight it was like a bracket and has had this kind of rudimentary site that you could scroll in and out but there's no rangefinders right there were no rangefinders is that it right there look at that the original compound look at that up to 50% more speed and penetration that was 66 so I felt like this would have been in the 80s CU I 66 because I feel like uh wow that's wild price Soo Hunters can't afford to be without one the way they used to Market things back then it's so funny I know I love to see those old Field and Stream and outdoor life magazines yeah it's just I mean it's a window into a different time look at that can you imagine taking that to Utah to chase an elk in the mountains oh my God you that to be so close Cameron wouldn't even have to tote out a buck on his shoulders he could just tote that around probably be as heavy as a white tail how heavy is that thing look at it all the metal all the components and all C what kind of feet per second are you getting out of that sucker what is this oh look at this 1926 Arthur young Bow hun it's a Grizzly here they say it's a Grizz wow look at super close holy cow I've never seen this Jamie thanks for pulling this up this is 1926 holy smokes I bet they didn't even have to buy license I bet they just went hunting too oh yeah I bet there was no licenses back then I mean when did they all right he he hit him somewhere yeah he hits you it shows it follows it up here but I mean to film this is even crazy CU this is 19 26 so right wow you had to be so close with that shitty bow no doubt and man any I tell you what man intriguing like those guys right there their books that they wrote If you wrote those same books now like if if you and I went on a hunt and we said hey you know let's just write an article and present it to outdoor life and publish it just as we saw it which is so cool about what we do here is
having chance of conversation and kind of air out anything and everything and obviously culture has changed the world I mean these podcasts but back then you know you had articles well they' write these books and and it would be so like I would read it sometimes the same page two or three times it'd be like you know sax and Pope talking about or Arthur Young talk yes I found out I think it's too far 70 yards is too far to shoot at a Kate Buffalo I put three arrows in him he didn't seem hurt I got two in the rump one in the neck and you're like like they didn't edit this out it's almost like right right right right it's almost like me and you hunting squirrel like man I tell you what I don't like him pellets it's just not those pellets and that air rifle are not they just not knocking the squirrels down good enough like oh you wasn't supposed to put that can you edit that out right they would just like okay let's put this in a book and let's sell it they Pioneers they were learning they were learning how to do it but you imagine how you you get crucified sometimes for the people who don't understand hunting even ethically hunting and making a good ethical shot whether it's a bow or an arrow or a rifle and back then they were like all right let's go try to hunt some African lines I don't know what it's going to take to kill them but we'll see they were just experimenting experimenting and they they took a boat over think about I mean I mean I want to go I've been to Africa quite a few times how long does it take to get to Africa in a boat it was taking them months to get over there and they would they would take a whole ship and I think they I forget I don't want to say it CU it could be inaccurate historically but I want to say they was taking 40 50 bows these recurves and like just tubs and tubs of arrows I mean just CU they were just launching them it's like they had more freaking ARS than P didy had baby oil I mean it's like it's like man how many airs can you fit on this boat like well we got [ __ ] load up they probably knew they weren't going to get any over there and they're probably making them themselves yeah I think it document say talks about like look if bows tear up or in this experimental process we might need a
little stronger bow so you know I mean sometimes very rarely I do this I'll go to pretty decent places I'll take one bow very rarely I take two bows I used to think it'd be beneficial but then I started realizing man these things are so dependable I don't need it maybe I take a bow press or or an extra cable or an extra string or setup but I mean they just had to take everything and they really didn't know that's such a commitment to Adventure get on a boat with a bunch of bows and a tub of arrows I mean how do you tell your wife that too cuz they were married can you imagine I can't imagine now that you know Joe and I plan a hunt trip here and you call home and say hey man just me and W was talking and me him and cam were thinking about running to hunt hogs well how long you going to be gone you know it's Christmas time it's like well uh two days and we just going to drive down or fly over here do that can you imagine hey baby I think I'm going to Africa and uh we're going to try to hunt some line we don't know what's going to happen six seven months yeah I'll be back next year I'm G to go hunt lions with a pointy stick exactly I should be back I don't think not sure what it takes to kill one no internet yeah no no I mean nothing could research how are you learning form and technique who you learn you just have to practice and then eventually figure out well I held my elbow this way it seemed to be better than this way I'll just tweak it and even the civil unrest imagine this I mean oh yeah you know I hear people talk about hunting and the dangers of potential Rogue Wildlife but I've never been that you know grew up real country so I never had any fear of any animals you know a matter of fact if I was bear hunting and I thought you know somebody said hey man Bears love pork chops you walk through Alaska with a pork chop R your neck might get a better chance to get a shot like well well hell you reckon they'll come let's try it you know I want to shot at one but think of the civil unrest I've always been a you know a few I went to Zimbabwe one time me and Nick Mutt and several of my buddi we went over there to Zimbabwe and it just happened to be when macabi was rerunning and so he had a political opponent and so just when we think people listen to
this that you know politics in America are crazy well guess what somebody was running against macabi so did they debate it on a podcast or even talk about on CNN no mgab just went and killed the guy who was running against like okay I win you know so end the story uh and so the internet was shut down and so I remember being over there and like man I'm kind of scared not of an elephant or a line I'm like what is this I don't have a phone I don't have internet I have no way to talk to my family I don't have any um they and my money got stolen I was the idiot who went over there like with my backpack with cash and like you know a bank envelope everything that you read that like okay I'm I'm an idiot so I go to I go to um take some money to to uh we were talking about going fishing on the zamb river and uh so any I was I'm going to get a littley I'm going to tip this guy if I go fishing like Dude Where's My Money and it was all gone so I don't know if it was between when I landed in South Africa somewhere in my room I don't know where but all of my money and and uh and I think I had about $7,000 cash which which for me that was a lot of money like I mean I was devastated not only I lose the money I it's like I didn't have money to lose like that but now I'm like what am I going to do and so they take me over to batswana and I get some pulas from an ATM because it's a little more westernized but I remember calling calling hom is like man we ain't in Kansas no more this ain't a white tail hunt and in my mind I'm so singled in on the adventure and thinking of Saxton uh you know Pope and young and all these guys and I forget like wait a minute there's people dying and starving over here and and I'm just over here trying to maybe find a Kate Buffalo or a gims buuck or something and that's where I learn a lot in my young young travel of of just what's out there in the world you ever watch uh Pedro ando's videos no no uh Jamie let me I'll send it to you he's a a fascinating dude from Spain and he travels everywhere to bow hunt everywhere all I can already tell I'd love that oh you'd love it he's great too his uh his hunting Adventures are in really interesting but he goes all over the place I love that he goes to like
Tajikistan and play there he is look at that and he's I mean you can tell look I mean just he's uh you know super super super dedicated Bow Hunter and you know travels to Greenland he was in Greenland with Remy they were hunting together and and just his uh his stuff Pedro's videos are really really well done and he's such a likable guy that it's a it's a good introduction to people that don't even understand why anybody would be interested in Bow Hunting because you realize like this guy is he's as much fascinated by the adventure of it all than as he is even the hunting aspect of it like he really enjoys being in these very different cultures and very different parts of the world like he hunted elk in Mongolia wow Mongolia has a large elk population believe I didn't know that I but it's really funny because everybody who goes there to hunt hunts with a rifle and so all the gues who you know speak Mongolian right like they're like what the [ __ ] is this guy doing with this bow this is stupid like go he's like I can't shoot it it's 98 yards away you know like I we have to get closer he's like just shoot it yeah just shoot it shoot it kill it let's get out of here we've been here for [ __ ] three days they're tired of it but this dude's got a uh a a really [ __ ] great Channel and a a ton of videos I mean he's been doing this for like making these videos for like 10 15 years I'm definitely going to subscribe to that and I don't even see the Buffalo where's the Buffalo is that is he oh it's a mlon oh that's oh you you went to a different video okay go to the um um Mongolia elk hunt cuz it's so fascinating they stayed in a yurt so they stayed in one of those felt tents like genas Khan used to live in and they traveled in the woods and it looks like you're in Wyoming it looks like you're in Idaho them urick I always wonder if that's what Missy Elliott was rapping about you know u p r here I don't think so I don't think she has any knowledge of what said yeah but if you scroll further ahead you could see some of the footage um oh this is IEX in Mongolia dud HT too man Google uh it's not that search uh elk in Mongolia he's got I mean he's got tons and T there it is right there see world
record Elks right there uh second row that one bam yeah that's in Mongolia see that's to me so fascinating is that crazy like look at that that looks like like you could be in Utah absolutely and uh they they just totally didn't understand why he was using a bow because his dad was there his dad hunted with a rifle and he was successful and you know he's got to get close God and those those look like just your basic Rocky Mountain species I don't even know how they got there I don't know if they were always there I don't know if they were introduced I really don't know y yeah and that's what they're standing really I did not even know that they were elk in Mongolia yeah I didn't either until I saw this video nor would I'd have even known you could hunt there and and I think that's what people don't realize Living in America yeah we can hunt I mean you go do that in China get hungry in China and decides you want to go get you a mess of rabbit and squirrel well they might not be none and you can't legally hunt you can't legally hunt in China not in China not at all there's there's several States you can't even bow hunt in uh UK I know isn't that crazy I mean I don't know if that goes back to Robin Long stride or I think some of it does a lot of the folklore cuz that was a poaching tool you hunted the king's property you could do it you could poach with a bow and arrow well that's people don't understand the Robin Hood was not about stealing money it was about using the king's land to hunt animals correct cuz people were starving and the King had all these animals and you weren't allowed to hunt them you couldn't so Robin Hood was like this is [ __ ] like yeah I'll take this let's go let's go eat there's stag out here man and so I yeah I don't I I I'm always the more I travel like seeing this that Pedro's done I hadn't done that extensive of traveling and I've never if it ends with a stand I just stay out of it I mean and these extra Z's in the yeah man I try to be yeah but Pedro goes everywhere his I can't recommend his showing up it's so good and I watch him all time late night when I want to chill when I'm at home I come home from The Comedy Club I'll throw on some of his videos check outed chill out you ever heard of this what is that uh I was looking at the initial books coming out
of hunting trips to Africa and dingo neck multiple people said they saw this one guy said he even shot one in Africa they saw it yeah St back in 1907 I think what the [ __ ] do they have a photo of it it's just it obviously might even be a real thing but the descriptions of it were backed up by multiple people huh a carnivore that chose to hunt or devour nearly whatever it wants save for Elephants holy cow it had tusks dog-headed Beast fish what I don't even think Jim sh hunted one of them where did you find this J literally I'm looking at all these history books about like different uh Expeditions and this was one from 19 1908 they went to look for some certain things they encountered this in Lake Victoria huh it I mean it's it's probably not real look at this but it seems like it is like I want to believe he encountered by Lake Victoria when as Bronson's own Hunting Party provided nearly identical descriptions of the creature the title is reference to the author having been given special permission to hunt the closed territory of Lita Masai Ki and sotic wow what the hell was that just looking it up very strange it looks different in a bunch of the drawings though sure I mean they don't have picture I guess but like remember when we were showing those ancient pictures of what a uh a whale looked like to people they had never seen a whale before and it had like wings and a lion's head so what's fascinated on all that those paintings and Engravings it it kind of some of it you can see like okay we still have some of those animals that look that way and then some kind of looks kind of mystical you ever seen the ones that cave panties where it's like a Stegosaurus yeah yeah like how did you know what that looked like somebody exactly they didn't Google it right did were there a few laying around I mean I wonder I'm so intrigued by that I think I'm more intrigued with it hunting and traveling and being in these places like we we went down I love to turkey hunt I love to turkey hunt matter of fact I'm I'm I'm going to do everything in my power and every anybody listens has ever even ever knew my name knows everybody's like dude you got to get Cam and Rogan to go turkey hunting you got I went turkey hun once did you really went with ranella he took did you really ranella dude he's yeah he it was
fun yeah he's f i I love turkey hunting I just love it and that's how I kind of broke into the the industry I guess definitely a superior turkey to eat they are they're delicious they are delicious to eat and um but anyway with that said we were down um right out of the ucatan peninsula hunting oscillated turkeys which is a different species you can hunt all these turkeys and get different slams they call yeah I think ryell has got the slam yeah ryell has done it so I went down there with actually Troy Troy link of Jack Link's jerky and he's a big hunter so we all went down there kind of for the adventure and to say yeah we hunted the jungles and dude amazing you know you got all that Mayan civilization and all this stuff that I saw even Graham Hancock but what people don't realize we're out in the middle of this jungle and I'm walking around and uh the guy I'm with he don't know English and I'm like and Co and stone our producer he's standing there like dude this is a this is one of those pyramids like we we're walking up and I'm I'm trying to figure out if I can H call cuz nobody had ever figured out if you can H call to these oscillated turkeys I get to looking around and so finally I'm tapping this guy on the shoulder and I'm like bro you know Mayan he said oh see see and I'm like there's so many of those structures out there yeah and we're out there hunting turkeys they don't think nothing about it it's kind of like us walking around out in the middle of the woods in Georgia and finding an old whale you know we're in trees right they're like oh yeah there's they're everywhere so I only knew about the ones that was on the postcard you know go yeah when you're out there having a a Corona on the beach and somebody trying to sell you engraving to your wife in some you know ring or something I'm like oh my god dude and and like I wanted so bad for a turkey to respond and to put my back against that and so I did a little video on I was like man this is insane but when would I have had a chance to see that had I not been a hunter yeah so that gets you down the rabbit hole of like well what was this and what is that calendar and I wonder what Graham Hancock is so when I'm seeing some of this I'm like dude I was in that area I didn't go to see that particular piece
where he's talking to this Authority but I did go you know 30 miles south of there or 100 miles and I had a chance to work a turkey around one that's not even been excavated and it was just blew my mind they find so many of those too the the jungle just overrun All That civilization just overcame it and you just they find him with you know what lar is I heard yes I saw well I I didn't know about it until I watched that on the Netflix show with Graham and showing how they was flying over in those rings and Stu see if you can find that pyramid that they just Unearthed in Guatemala they just Unearthed some huge pyramid in Guatemala and that's we were we were South think it was Guatemala we were right there in kind of right on the southern tip of Mexico just as you go into Guatemala and uh I was just intrigued and we're in the jungle and stay in these little huts and I read these little tents like almost a screen porch I was just I was blown away and the whole time I was like thank you Lord for allowing me to be the hunter to go see this to to experience this and and to I don't know it's just I'm overwhelmed I've never got bored with it and the more I do it the more humbling it becomes as soon as you start thinking like man I got a bunch of el with my bow and air I got this figured out I'm about to run a rake through them I know where they're going to be and then you go out there and they just kick your butt yeah there's no real figuring it out I mean you certainly you get to your level or a level of cam haes or Remy Warren you you you become very proficient you understand what to do and what here it is find lost city in Mexico Jungle by accident holy cow yeah this is what it was it wasn't Guatemala so archaeologists found pyramids Sports fields causeways and connecting districts amphitheaters in the southern Central State of C cachi cichi yeah cichi they uncovered the hidden complex which they have called valer valer valeriana valeriana using lar a type of laser survey that map structures buried under vegetation they believed it is second in density only to kalak thought to be the largest Maya site in ancient Latin America the team discovered three sites in total in a survey the size of Scotland's capital Edinburgh by accident when one of the
archaeologists browsed data on the internet that's so crazy they found it by accident see that's amazing and I C the same vibe when I was down because we weren't tooo far out of cichi when we was turkey hunon and so as we're going through there and there's thousands and thousands and thousands of ACR I'm not even sure how I set up I don't know if it's you know governmentally on in this case Mexico or if it's Village um but when I saw that even though we videoed it I asked later I come back and the main Outfitter he's very fluid in English he said yeah we don't you know there's all kind of stuff out there we don't talk about it a lot because this is our hunting ground it's almost like the Buffalo drop story they really don't want Grand hanock down there with a team of filmmakers from California like they don't want it and see their point but I don't I I absolutely and and they kind of uh but I think that's what's fascinating about all that we're able to talk about and share now culturally yeah as we realize if you grow up hunting and fishing well I really assumed everybody did I right I didn't think there was somebody that hadn't eat squirrel I was just I I did a walk I didn't need a squirrel I was 45 years old that's what that's what I'm saying and and I grew up to where like laying and eating with my POA like one day damn it I'm going to buy me some RI eyes you know it's like you eat enough squirrel and rabbit and it's great but yeah it's almost like man I'm gonna get that big family pack of chicken right and and we ate plenty of that but it was always a fall back to where you understood the good Lord's renewable resources and yeah how to hunt them so taking an animal for table Fair wasn't anything at all to even cheer about other than you know almost in the blessing of blessing your food like thank you Lord for giving us this opportunity to have a place to hunt so it would be a chance to go put a fish basket out I remember my Pap taught me so many things he made corn liquor and just country is a damn chicken Co and uh and I look back he passed away when I was 12 both of my grandads did and and my dad Ean W same way I mean they taught me so much but I just assume this is what every man was and I figured this is what everybody knew CU that's how you
grew up yeah and I remember I started working in the hunting industry when I was young I remember I tell this story I just remember like going to a nice restaurant and people ordering appetizers I'm like what what are we doing what are we doing like what does that mean yeah like bring us some uh Ceviche and uh some calamari and you guys like cheese sticks look I know they're unhealthy everybody like cheese scks like I like cheese sticks and like you know like and then all of a sudden we sitting there chatting like we are and everybody's having a cocktail and I'm like man I'm so happy this is the funnest I'm loving this and I'm literally going back and at the end of the night calling my dad like you ain't going to believe it the everybody's eating before you eat like we we had we getting shrimp cocktail and and you know and I'm over there and it sounds crazy and almost like it's exaggerated but I was so overwhelmed I was so intrigued with the city and just people I would be the guy talking to everybody you know from the from the you know Street people to like what's up dog you know like you know they're you like man what's it like out here you know like man you ever you ever ate a pigeon man they lot these pigeons go get you a couple ketchup packets from McDonald's and get you a rocket hell people should H and so I was it was almost like the exact opposite from some of now my city friends who have gotten just enthralled with hunting yeah they introduced me to so much of the city culture that you know I still get excited everybody don't think I would but I I still love to get excited to go I had a chance uh Joe Montana is is somebody who's got a show on Outdoor Channel so he has this big cigar uh dinner every night in B I mean every year in Burbank and so all the Fuentes you know and all these different you know movie stars and stuff and so he's like man why do I want you get a table come out and join us I'm like yes I took my wife we're all country I was so excited just get dressed up and everybody think I wouldn't like it but I was like man this is cool I'm out there having me a cigar there's the guy from Rambo I forget his name but it's in Karate Kid the uh uhuh yeah sure and I'm like I'm meeting some
of these people and I'm thinking it's amazing how culturally being so country and and how now I'm talking to some of these guys like man dude you're the hunting guy can you man why don't you take me hunting I'm intrigued with that you know and so now having a chance I know you had like Jim Brewer on which what a cool cat I love Jim he is so fun man I couldn't hardly hunt with him or Theo for just just constantly laughing I mean I like to cut up and have a good time the first time I went hunting I went with ryell it took me and Brian Callen and it's a same deal Brian C's [ __ ] hilarious and we were just crying laughing in Montana freezing our dicks off having a good time uh my experience was the opposite always lived in cities always you know and then the first time I went hunting was with Rella I I had been camping before when I was a kid but there was I had no real exposure to Nature and I remember just after that week doing it I was like I'm doing this for the rest of my life like this you oh 100% I I remember cooking the backstraps over the fire it was me and ranella and and Ken and the crew and we were just like sprinkling some like season salt over these backstraps and cooking them over the fire and we're eating them with our hands and I was like I'm doing this for the rest of my life this is like one of the greatest moments I've ever had in my life one of the greatest experiences I've felt so tuned into it I was like this is something I've been missing like this is and it's a whole new world I I explained it I was like it's like you're in a different dimension the first time I shot a deer was on that show so I had never hunted an animal before I'd only been fishing and the first time I'm looking at that deer through the crosshairs of that rifle and I'm just calming myself to squeeze a shot and I squeeze off the shot and the deer drops like a stone and I was like oh my God I'm like this is what I'm doing forever yes and then once I started eating it I was like oh this is this is my new thing I'm like I'm obsessed I was obsessed goly obsessed and then obsessed with what I all I had been missing just the experience of being in the woods is so different than anything the way people think of hunting unfortunately we've been poisoned by movies where the hunters are the bad
guys they're always douchebags they're always they're always like poaching animals and harassing people hunters in movies it's a Trope that they've always been like cruel evil people like there's Bambi the Bambi the Walt Disney movies are the wor oh they ruin people they ruin this idea people who buy Burgers from McDonald's yeah will look down on someone who hunts an animal in the woods and it's correct it just we've been our our brains have been distorted our perceptions have been distorted by media and I realized that being in the woods hunting I was like this first of all this is very difficult to do mu deer hunting in Montana in October freezing cold in the Missouri breaks fascinating just the whole the the environment is so unforgiving and doesn't give a [ __ ] about you the the the quiet and the isolation out there and a weird kind of loneliness like a not loneliness but a a realization of where your place really is in the natural world you're you're not special you're not there's nothing significant about you yeah you're just one of many living things trying to get along out here trying to get by and you have an advantage obviously because you have a rifle and you have binoculars and all that other good stuff but the reality of it is it's very very difficult to achieve success especially if you don't know what you're doing I was very lucky to have a guy like Rella show me around but once you do it once you're like oh God like this is incredible like and then to eat that animal completely different experience erience than any other meal I've ever had in my life yeah it's such a piece that comes with it uh and and I try to explain that but there's no way to explain it until you experience it you know I was even trying to explain it to Theo I don't know if I got that across we laugh you Theo Theo is a unique dude man he's one of the most I I've met quite a few people not as many as you but uh Theo by far is one of the coolest unique people I met I remember we get out and uh we're going to turkey hunt you know and I knew first of all I think I ruined his whole uh excitement of it when I said all right man I'll wake y'all up we got about 4:35 you know he's said what' you say what I said oh man I didn't sign up for this you know I didn't say this in the
brochure and I was like and so Caleb Presley bar stool Sports he was there and um I was a big fan of those guys so I was I was trying to make sure I gave them the best experience I could you know because I you know just like Rell did with you I knew the magnitude of okay these guys I hope they want to do it again but we go out there and Theo had not been around a gun a lot and uh and so I figured it'd be easy I had a 20 gauge well I can't remember it was a 20 or 12 gauge I had a couple but I put red dot those bushel Red Dot scopes on there to make it really easy uh not have them shoot the bead just look through this optic and see the Red Dot put it on the turkeyy head pull the trigger so Theo's looking through that thing said you want me to shoot now I said no Theo I mean just it's not even daylight good he's got sunglasses on and he says uh he's looking through this Joe he's looking through this shotgun he said oh man he said I see that red dot he said when I pull the trigger it turned green and I said Theo and so there's clips of it and I literally he said and then he looked at me he said who's on the who's on the other team there he is sh no no don't shoot don't shoot don't don't shoot don't keep your keep F off the trigger okay right but see what I'm saying you can how you can see the Red Dot the red dott on his head if we can get him out all right and who's the other team who's the other I just look did I say I take it bro he lives in another dimension yes Theo lives in a neighboring Dimension and he just comes and visits us oh God yeah me Theo and I went to the UFC uh two weekends ago last weekend when was two weekends ago uh we were in Vegas and then after the fights you went to dinner and uh I swear to God the dinner was it was an hour and a half of me and Theo crying laughing just C I mean tears I'm wiping my eyes I can't breathe we're I go dude this should have been a podcast we should have filmed this we were imagine we were crying we were just C he was saying the most ridiculous [ __ ] and I was laughing so hard it was so much fun he's so fun he's so fun I I had so much fun with that guy man and he said so much that I couldn't repeat that was so funny and then they said so much
that I could but I hadn't met anything quite like him and he's so he's one of a kind he's a one of a kind big heart too man oh he's a sweetheart such a nice guy he's such a kind person and just a very unique talent and that's the thing too you know CA Caleb on the other hand he ended up did getting the turkey Caleb and um he kind of he kind of took to it pretty quick Theo liked it but I think his attention if it is attention deficit he definitely had it he's got that and he was he was kind of cool and and anyway and I realized Theo had more fun just kind of walking around checking out the cows and it just I mean dude that would be a whole you could do a a special a Theo just walking around maybe after a mushroom or something just let him walk around and just describe what he's seeing I I mean our producer come back and he I saw him way aways I was tired man I've been hunting a lot and he said man we going to go take an Adventure walk around the ranch you know farm and it was down in South Florida and I come back our producer was laughing he said man I I can't even tell you all I heard and what Theo was saying he said I I've never laughed so hard and um I said I can only imagine I can only imagine but uh but yeah man I don't know it's just like that that part I think that's the most beautiful thing for me coming from where I come from and even you know seeing all the different people from all these cultures and there so much and and I've completely understood this too there's so little that separate us all from from the most rural country guy to the most urban city guy from no matter what race ethnicity it's amazing how there's so much entertainment and things if you just open your mind not pretend to know it all to want to learn cuz there's so much you can teach me so much I can teach you and it's just amazing and it's definitely giving me a whole lot better perspective um and and I I don't know that that's been probably the coolest part of what I've had a chance to go on an adventure and a journey is to be able to you know meet somebody like Brewer who's like you know he didn't really was not intrigued with hunting it was more the conspiracy of what was going down and like dude I went to go get some chicken breast and some chicken wings to watch football you couldn't find any the
government fouchy is making me learn what he'll teach me how to kill a turkey you know in other hand first morning out Jim kills one and so you know you've hunted enough you and cam where you know you get an elk and it is a a reverence it's not like you everybody reacts different so but if you know if you play a good ERA kind of the Ted nent the spirit of the ARA Spirit of the wild that ARA goes in there and you you've worked for it you practiced and when it you know it's a good ethical shot and you know that you got and essentially put the tag on that bull it is almost like Spike some people it's almost like spiking the football when you get a touchdown yeah so I was so excited that Jim Brewer had just got a turkey that me and and I had Ira Dean who used to be in that country group Trick Pony who is just a trip in itself he's good friends with Jim and they live somewhere close down there in Naples Florida and me and Ira are just grabbing him look like you wrestling Jiu-Jitsu I got him in head like you got him Jim you know you know and we're like you know punch him like you smoked him you not you dude right in the head you know we high five in the Jim over like like like overwhelmed the like the woman in the shower on psycho like what did I just do I just killed something and and all of a sudden I forgot this is the guy in the movies this is a comedian I grew up as a kid watching all sat he's never been there and and so uh and then we slowed down and it wasn't even hardly anytime after that you know Jim just sitting there and he takes the turkey and he's holding it like a like a little puppy dog and he's holding it and Ira my buddy gets it he grabs his beak and say hello Jim and he and I think even Jim talks about it but I I I just sat back and I'm like man what how cool is this yeah you know and then the same token you know Jim's like hey man if you ever down here and want to come to one of my comedy shows and you know for my wife and friend to go do that or to to to see something I've never seen or to go home and still tell my dad who's 71 like you're not going to believe you know what I saw in a you're not going to believe what happened in you know wherever Las Vegas when we're at the SHOT show it's I don't know it's of travel right like the more
environments you could go into the more completely different cultures you could explore you get a just a wider sense of humans yeah and that you realize like we have more in common than we do opposed to each other we're we're we have much more that we share than we don't correct and the what really is is just like what environment did you grow up in you you grew up in the country I grew up in the city yeah but once you find common ground and once you experience like experiencing nature for the first time for people that are in the city it's so overwhelming for them it's so interesting to watch them just walk around the woods and just be confused and not not knowing how to navigate not knowing where they are and being exhausted not knowing how much energy it takes going up hills or how we going to get back yeah where are we at you know we're 8 miles deep yeah yeah we got to walk eight miles back when is that going to get us back well probably 11 p.m. yeah we're going be it's going to be late what 11: p.m. yeah we have headlights put on your headlamps like what we're going to walk in the dark are there animals out here there's a lot of animals out here and they know where you are before you know where they are yeah it it is it is so intriguing and and to think about different world it is a completely different world and for me it was so cool I've over the years working for different I call it more non- ademic like you obviously you think of Hoy you think of uh real tree you think of these different companies that around the hunting culture but I remember one year I had a chance to work with horal Denny Denny more stew Hormel had Denny more beefs too and so they did the sweep staks and um it's like win a turkey hunt with Michael wadell and so we did it and they run 30 second ads that was when uh you know everything was bunch of 30 second ads and so the guy wins it him and his son and um well they get there and I realize they' never hunted and and and it was my first time to experience guiding somebody that knew nothing I mean i' guided a lot of rookies but I'm talking about when I say had no clue of nature never shot a gun wild gun I mean immediately you know had the big Rambo knife tied on the side of his you know he like okay you know and so I remember we walking and uh and I
realized that okay this would be fun for me because from the basics of everything just the mount the streams to the tracks so we walking along and me and his son and are talking and I say look here this is a coyote track right here look at this cool and you could see it in this cero a perfect coyote track oh man that's cool i' like you know and everything he would relate to would be to a cartoon like like the coyote on bugs radio show I said yeah like Bugs Bunny Road Runner coyote but this is a real coyote I said oh this is cool check this out this is a bobcat track oh man I say look here's a here's a turkey track but this is a hen track this track is different I'm explaining to him the different things uh I mean we saw everything that day from hog havind tracks so finally we're walking he's just so cool with these tracks like taking pictures he said hey man um any any Cheetos around here and I said what and he said you know Cheeto you know Che Cheetos I said are you talking about like Cheetos like snacks snacks he said oh yeah I mean any of those animals and I said what what I swear I swear animals he that just shows the disconnect Cheetos Chester the Cheetah which I guess is from a true animal a a cheetah but Chester Cheeto he was like as any of those tracks can if you see one of those tracks show me what a you know Chester Cheeto track looks like I'm like you know we don't have cheetah but there is no Chester the Cheetah but then it hit me it's like you was talking about the movies well Bambi is so real to them The Fox and the Hound I mean it's so R it's like you know somehow you know they think that you go to Antarctica or or or North Pole and these polar bears are sitting having having a soda and high fiveing and talking about Christmas bars yeah eat K Bar like what's up what come over here man have a Coke with us you know it's like no that's not these animals will smell you and they come hunt you they like wait a minute a seal that we got to wait days for him to come out of the hole and hunt them down or look there's a dude that's been eating a lot of fried chicken and collard greens and cornbread I I bet that suck I bet he can't run fast let's go eat him and so it's just a disconnect of not knowing and thinking that everything is almost like going to the zoo and then
when it becomes hard you know and you're two or three days in and you're not have an opportunity like dude I what is going on like it's we're hunting I mean I've even had him like dude I thought you were good I mean well I'm I'm trying trying it's just this animal it does not want to get on your plate you know it's not an easy thing to do no and when that's also the problem with hunting shows is because a hunting show if it's a half an hour show it's 22 minutes of actual footage and so you're boiling down a 10day hunt to 22 minutes and the reality is that gives a distorted perception to the people at home like oh it's easy they just go there they put the animal their Crosshair that's not fair like you hear that all the time that's not fair like survival's not fair you think it's fair that the lion gets to kill the gazelle it's not fair of course it's not fair there's nothing fair in nature why elephants big why am I small there's nothing Fair no it's not this Fair doesn't factor in this is what you're trying to do you're trying to survive obviously you can go to the store but out here there's no [ __ ] stores so out here if you want to survive if you want to if we lived here forever this is the only environment you're ever going to be here till your heart stops beating correct this is the only one way you've got to figure out the wind you got to figure out where they are you got to pattern them you got to figure out how to sneak up on them you got to figure out how to exec cut a shot without getting Buck Fever you got to do all these things like this is the only way it's so deep you're right and it is difficult can't boil it down to 10 like Pedro does a really good job of showing like how difficult it is on these crazy adventure hunts that he does but even still it's an hour or an hour and a half like the reality is it's 10 [ __ ] days Man 10 days 10 to 12 miles a day sweating your ass off coming back exhausted your feet hurt your back's killing you and just and you sleep so hard hard you sleep like a dead man and then that alarm clock goes off at 4:30 in the morning like you get some coffee in you with a jet boil and you're freezing you're trying to warm your hands up and then you're off again yep it still almost feels like I always talk about hunting and open a day it's kind
of like Christmas it's like a you know when you finally do get to that September and I just use elk hunting as an example because I know you love elk hunting it's almost like you are tired you've been grinding you've had you know doing your your daily gigs of whatever you doing the responsibilities of everything in your life finally I'm in Elk camp and you're already tired that first morning you you maybe don't sleep good cuz you're anxious and excited and then all of a sudden you finally fall in a deep sleep and all of a sudden and like but then all of a sudden it's kind of like as a kid when waiting on Santa Claus like man I'm not sleeping I'm listening for him I left milk milk cookie for him and then but then you fell asleep deep and all of a sudden you wake up like oh my Santa Claus so you jump up and you're still tired and so hunting to me is still that but that's amazing it's still that after all these years I I still get excited that's the same with Cam I mean he's been hunting his whole life he still loves it more than anything I I plan on it so hardcore that like when Netflix gave me a comedy special yeah I had to make sure that it was the beginning of August I was like I need time to get ready yeah cuz like I have a whole training routine and a shooting routine and you know I want to make sure I'm shooting a 100 hours a day seven seven days a week I want to make sure my accuracy is fully dialed in I have 100% conf confidence my cardio's on point I got to be ready so I was like it can't be any later than like August 5th I'm like I need I need like four hard weeks of I mean I'm training for it all year round but four hard weeks almost like you're getting ready for a fight it's some of those meetings still do you still have maybe Executives looking at you like oh yeah they ask weird questions I don't understand that like so September 12th through the 23rd you're not going to find me yeah and to them they don't understand how like know outside of people playing football like you still see the Christmas games and the Christmas Eve or Thanksgiving but for me like Thanksgiving and Christmas very rarely you know all of us kind of like I'm taking that day you know I'm taking that day and that's kind of like unfortunately now we get in these Hobbies of Honey like okay I can't do
anything the first week in April that's turkey season and then September oh man that whole month's gone yeah in November oh man the deer ruding I don't know that y'all got anything in July I've had big guests like important guests that wanted to come in like September 10th I'm like that's not going to work can't do it it's not going to happen well it's the only time he's in America it's not going to work sorry let me know if he come back yeah let me know if you come back I'm not missing that it's just it's my favorite time of the year there's nothing with it funny story that happened similar you know people wonder like do you ever get tired of it um you really don't I mean I'm sure like you you know obviously say in the comedian world to kind of draw parallels that opportunity to go out for 30 minutes or an hour to make someone laugh and and they're digging on the stuff that you're performing there's got to be a a a natural high that comes with it so there becomes an addicted quality to it and it's not necessarily about the money it's just a certain situation that feels good so you wonder like when do I want to step down for this and it's kind of like you know Keith Richards playing a guitar maybe never it's like this is part of it and I think hunting becomes like that and to the point with me like the things I love and I've been blessed that in evolu my Financial opportunities have came from promoting hunting and working for different partners as is cams um and many of us Remy Steve a lot of us but uh I'm still so addicted to the point to where my wife she loves country music my wife christe and so through people we meet we've got invited to some really cool things you know from get togethers to to parties to situations Awards to ceremonies to different clubs and so a lot of times we'll try to go and it's actually a cool thing for me cuz hey man I met this person would you like to do this or that and one thing in particular happened um my wife loves country music and there's a lot of those country music guys that that I hunt with so I had gotten a text from a guy they was having the some award ceremony um around the country music I forget which one it was but when they had at the Dallas Stadium and uh anyway I had got invited he said hey if you want to come out wadell look man we
would' like to had you have you at to you know man we'll we'll we'll treat you like one of the singers you know and um so immediately oh dude what's the dates and they said it's April like it was I forget what it was it was whatever it was it hit right in turkey season like right when I knew I hadn't even had anything planned this was time but I knew kind like you know September so I said man I'm sorry thank you so much for the invite but I'm not going to be able to make it well my wife and I don't have a relationship where we going through each other's phones and stuff like that but but that particular uh my phone was sitting it was maybe a week later sitting there and that same gentleman had text me on another matter and so he had just texted me somebody I said christe get my phone so she did and somehow that she just happened to look at that text and all of a sudden I couldn't figure out she was just kind of giv me the cold shoulder like the rest of the day I'm like what did I do and I couldn't figure out what I did you know so finally I was like look baby you know I figured out a lot of things about elk and turkey I ain't figured out a woman completely and so I know I done pissed you off some kind of way I don't know what I did but you know helped me understand she said you know what I do have a bone to pick with you and I like okay well let me have it you know let me have it and I'm already thinking I ain't did [ __ ] you know I don't think she said you know what I know you like to hunt turkeys and I'm like okay all right and and I'm like yeah I love to hunt turkeys she said but you know what we could take one night and go to a really cool Ward ceremony maybe we could hang out with Blake and have a drink and just chill and relax and Luke was going to be and and and I like what are you talking about and then she said well I saw the text and we were invited to go to the awards and and you quickly just said no didn't even talk and I'm I'm like and then I hit me like what a self I don't know how many turkeys I've seen shot or how many turkeys I've shot myself but here it is I'm 50 years old and I'm saying no just like that without hesitation to right no I mean that would be fun in my mind I'm thinking dude if that was June or July and I had your number I'd be
texting everybody dude are y'all going can we can we have a drink hang out sure but it's like nope it wouldn't matter if Elvis Presley was going to be the show I was like and then it hit me I'm like man I am little selfish selfish and it hit me there and and I and I did I sincerely said I'm sorry cuz you're right I could have just got a commercial flight we could flew out there and spent a great evening had a great date night and saw the awards and come back but in my mind I'm thinking why would anybody go to a big city in the middle of turkey seat I don't understand that and I'm trying to I'm still learning still learning you know so crazy well the the reality of it is if you have an experienced hunting you don't understand why people are so drawn to it and why it's the experience is so much more powerful than anything else you have in life other than the birth of your children you know being in love there's a bunch of experiences that are wonderful in the regular modern civilized life but when you get that bug you get that bug you know you get that bug when you when you hear the swack of that [ __ ] Arrow hitting the vitals and you see the spot right in the Golden Triangle you see the blood dripping down and you see him stumbling forward you're like we got him we got him and every sense in your body is on 10 your your [ __ ] Goosebumps have Goosebumps everything it's just there's nothing like it in the world you want to stand up and tie that bandana like on Rambo BL like it's just you just it I don't know it's crazy feeling and I hope more people get a chance to experience it it but it is so hard to do especially like archery elk hunting or archery mule deer hunting probably even more difficult I agree it is so hard to do to get someone addicted to that boy you got to you've got to get a special kind of person that's willing to like the learning curve is so long and the physicality that high desert deer oh it's it's brutal and also those [ __ ] are smart oh yeah you think they're not ducking mountain lions for five six years and they know any little snap of a branch any little like moving of a rock that sounds like it might have been a predator's paw oh yeah they're on a swivel they're up and they're bouncing
boing boing boing see you they're gone and that's what another thing people don't realize you know they think oh you you you Hunters going out there and you know get getting these animals and you know obviously the hunters has such a responsibility in the balance of of a lot of things you know in Mother Nature is first of all very brutal and there's a lot to be learned through nature there's a lot of things we think we know but then if you really dig deep and you're in the mountains you realize wait a minute that was all human nature this is nature there's a difference you know so many examples uh that you can get into but at the end of the day these deer also have coyotes now they reintroduce wolves in some of these places and they have done studies um that in some cases they feel like an adult male mountain line can kill up to a 100 mu deer one mountain line so you're talking 80 to 100 animals that they kill so when you think about us uh even if we're athletic is that a year that's a year that's one and and they've done all kind of studies I know the the uh state of Utah has been really proactive um which is great and what I love about Utah game of fish is what they're doing they're listening to a lot of these mountaineering type of guys who are not you know have a doctorate in biology or or are balancing nature they're just ranchers they're Outfitters they're Hunters they're somebody that's immersed thems and you know they might not can sit there and re recite Shakespeare but they can certainly tell you what they've seen they don't claim to know it all but they can tell you things that they are seeing out there it's different kinds of intelligence and yeah and and a lot of and a lot of the game of fish uh sometimes will'll get at times um arrogant to say well what what am I gonna learn from a Joe what am I gonna learn from Michael what am I Remy Warren come on dude okay you hunt a lot but you know I got a doctorate in this well like California is a great example like a lot of their game and fish I don't even think they call it Game and Fish I think they call it fish and wildlife correct yeah because they don't want the the concept of game to be introduced meaning meaning hunted they their their thought is they want to get it to the point where the Predators and
the prey balance each other out where there's no need for hunting and they would like to reintroduce wolves to help in that they do it's it's animal activists that have taken these positions that should be held by Wildlife biologists who have an objective understanding of the populations and how to keep them healthy and the way they're doing in California is you've got mountain lions everywhere yeah in this one Ranch that I hunt they had a water hole they had a a pond and they had a trail cam they found 18 different cats that visited this trail cam 18 different Mountain lines that goes beyond what biologists will tell you as a matter of fact a lot of times uh a lot of the studies are now it's been changed and everything the goal poost are being adjusted but there was a time I think it was 28 square mile radius that I know at least in the state of Utah so I'm not saying every game of Fish Department you know I call it or fishing game or fish and wildlife would say but they had specifically they said a male mountain line basically controlled 28 miles diameter only to find that in Utah I've got some friends and Outfitters that went out there when they did have the quota tags now you can just buy a tag over the counter and you can or get depredation you can hunt Mountain line all the time because they realize look these Mountain lines are killing a lot ofk a lot of mu deer specifically on top of that you can't con don't know what the winter is going to be and what that's going to kill then you got wolves you got bear you got all this stuff this Outfitter took a a business card and he put it down and he said well I know y'all think this but I want to show yall what I feel the quota he said I shot 10 Mountain lines in this business card he said three of them was here so your theory that one male mountain line is in this 28 mile diameter is completely busted this is not on anything I've studied I didn't go to Harvard I didn't go to Auburn University in the wildlife department I don't have trail cameras out there I'm just telling you that with red bone hounds this is a true statistic here's the photos and so what has happened a lot of those people got together and what I love about Utah they are listening and they're saying okay
this so this so Hill Billy knows something let's listen to him and so they're adjusting and now the deer numbers going up the hunting's getting better and uh and and and it's unfortunate that that really some of these people might be right that nature does have a great way of balancing itself very more way more brutal than what you and I would approach the management process but everything's changing I mean you know you talk about California you talk about how they reintroduced UC the wolf say in Colorado well all that was voted in in a very urban area specifically Aspen all the ranchers I don't think it should be voted in at all it shouldn't be and ballot biology to me is ridiculous because you should have to have an understanding about what you're voting on from a perspective of the people that are actually in the field correct and the reality of mountain lines is like you're not going to get an accurate assessment from someone who visits it once a month they think you can go out there and and and sell tourist tickets to watch the mountain lines you can't find them I I'll tell you and they know you're coming they smell you miles away they're not going to be anywhere near you and if you do see them it's rare I heard Rella because ranella spends a lot of time in desolate places and I didn't specifically talk to cam but kind of in perspective um I started working in the area of either guiding or working with an Outfitter working with companies that were doing shows for at the time TNN that turned into ESPN now Outdoor Channel now YouTube so on so forth well so as a young kid you know in ryal Georgia I finally had a chance to start going and seeing these places from Saskatchewan to all over Canada got to go to Africa all over Mexico and now I'm hunting all across the Western landscape not just in Georgia hunting white tails and turkeys and squirrels there I've only saw one mountain line in the daylight one now I have spent tons I think ranella said he saw six in his lifetime in in the daylight so what you realize if you see a mountain line in the daylight now I've seen a lot of mountain lines but they all have been in a tree behind a dog or running behind a dog I'm talking about just you and I glassing looking for me deer like Joe
Mountain line you don't see them you don't see them and same with Wolves I've seen two wolves in my life both were in one was in the Yukon one was in Alaska uh in the daylight um I've heard them countless times you know we've been camping and Spike tents and you hear the Wolves I've heard them all across places where wolves exist but you don't see them um another perspective is even coyotes I have 500 uh a little over 500 Acres I live on in Georgia and so I noticed that I was finding all kind of you know fawns and they did a bunch of studies from University of Georgia Auburn University talking about how many deer that coyotes eat which can't blame them why would you not eat a fawn in the fawning time of year and feed your your pups so I decided uh actually of all people who got me into trapping it was Blake Shelton he was trapping in Oklahoma loves it and um so I'm like my God if this country singer who hosted American you know or the voice can trap I I got to get learn about this so I dug deep and 2019 and 20 man I just dug in and just learned a lot more about trapping in so of putting out dirt hole traps or or leg Hole uh dirt dirt hole traps and different things and um so I caught in 2021 I caught like 22 one year 19 another year just on 500 Acres wow and if we go hunting tomorrow now think about 20 dogs that are smaller than a German Shepherd but a small you know K9 dog that lives on your property some are passing through to think that in a 4-week period I could catch 22 coyotes that at times you know hunting a lot I would see see them time to time along that also cost seven Fox and two Bobcats and I don't know how many Coons and possums so for people to think that you see this all the time you don't I live there and when I'm home every day I'm up and I'm riding checking food plots putting in food plots I got bulldozers I got different things and tractors trying to make the wildlife habitat better to make sure I got better areas for my turkeys to brood making sure I'm planting resources and I don't see these things and this is all I've ever done so the people that live in Aspen are just out of La uh you know not trying to throw shade on them but you don't know man I I don't I don't know how to hit a halfpipe like Tony Tony
Hawk either so I'm still learning and so for me to say that and to think that you can just spend nearly 4 .8 million5 million to reintroduce wolves and think you're going to get tourists come out there and look at them these wolves if they could talk they're like these people don't have a clue you're never going to see me well not only that but they took wolves that were already depredating livestock yeah that's the ones that they captured and they moved him to Colorado where they're going to continue to do the same thing I just had read something the other day they you see they removing one of those herds they're trapping them and removing them because of all the deportation of killing livestock yeah guess what if a mountain line kills a 100 deer one and then and he's okay God bless the fact that he is nature and he's hunting a deer or an elk but guess what they do when that starts running low they're like man that dog looks good yeah we were talking about this yesterday that San Francisco when they kill mountain lions in the the Bay Area 50% of their diet is Pets ain't that something and all is well all these pea members they're all fine long as it's your dog and you're cat you know and but all of a sudden you let a herd of deer come in and eat their 40,000 worth of landscaping in a mountain line kill their pet they're secretly calling me like hey uh Hey Bone Collector not going to lie that's a little offensive but but we need you so how quiet is your bow and era it's like oh yeah hypocrisy is this hypocrisy. comom calling me it's like well it's uneducated it's uneducated they just don't know what they're talking about and they don't have any experience in it and again like we talked about like the the idea the the mass media idea of a hunter is very negative it's very negative very negative it's it's sad because what you'll find too uh is is some of the best people in soci best people I mean they're they're really down to earth I mean uh sit around a campfire with somebody that's grew up very rurual their excitement of talking about everything typically is pretty awesome from also the appreciation of hard work they very much appreciate and and I think that's I even my dad man he he's 71 and I said D you ain't going to
believe it Joe Rogan text me and invited me to come up on the show and he said man I like that Rogan he said that dude it's funny any time to talk about my dad I got to you know go into that imp impersonation like that Joe man he's Stout he's Stout he's Stout man he work out a lot you know and I'm thinking how does my dad know the routine you know knows that I like him I you know of course he loved he loved that you had Trump on and that you had had kind of bringing some some light to that and give him an opportunity to talk and so I find across the board same conversation I had talking to some squirrel Hunters uh talking about cam Haynes you know it's like cam is a beast you know he runs and he does this stuff and what brought me and cam back together to to even going out and talking on his podcast you know we grew up close to the same age same trajectory I'm the southern guy he's a West guy he's a fitness guy you know I'm kind of a Little Debbie eater Fried Chicken collar green but we still figured out a way I always said somebody asked me said what's the difference between you and Cameron Haynes I said Cameron Haynes runs quickly to the top of the mountain and I sit down and I call them off the mountain I gotta I'm G figure out how to communicate with them you know and I said there's a lot of different ways to there's a lot of different ways of skin the cat as they would say but at the end of the day uh I was talking to some squirrel Hunters over in Alabama and these guys prototypical what you'd pull up look like Billy Coleman from Where the Red Fern Grows you know know uh had had squirrel dogs and and one of the guys uh he had to be in his 60s and uh literally I had some chew in the back he said man you friends with that Cameron HS and I said I am I said I I I've known Cameron a long time he said man he seemed like a good dude and I don't know why he hit me like this guy I wouldn't expect to mention Cameron and so quickly um I contacted Cameron I said man I had a cool conversation and so he and I quickly kind of said man why why have we not even hunted together like we've been at trade shows and stuff and done some stuff and and and uh so that's been really cool for me an old friend I've no long time to get back in Camp and the
conversations are so funny we get to laughing and cutting up and and uh and and I don't know it's crazy and I think one of the beautiful things about social media for hunting and podcast for hunting is that people have an opportunity to hear a completely different perspective about what it is that wasn't available before that I got into hunting because I started watching Spirit of the Wild Ted I love T that's when I got fascinated with it and then I watched rell's original show which oh God I can't remember the name of it uh he had a show meat though before meater God I forget the name of it but his show it didn't last very long but I thought it was really interesting and uh I knew Helen Cho because Helen Cho who worked with renella on um that show she also worked with Bourdain and so you know I was friends Bourdain and so I got introduced to them through that and Helen got Steve on the show he didn't even know what a podcast was he he was like what are we doing here we went to we were filming out of the Ice House in Pasadena at that time the ice house is the comedy club in Pasadena and that's where we had our studio and so uh is ryell sitting there he's like all kind of a little dismissive of this like what is this nonsense yeah and then now he's got one of the biggest podcasts in the space he's done a phenomenal job man he's great he has I I I was uh when ryell had out and I had a chance to be on his podcast you know and I I would say I'm a very secure person but at the same time I I know I'm country you know I know I'm the you know for lack better words the guy that you know I kill a lot of stuff you know ain't no way to say it any better I could say Harvest pluck take but at the end of the day you know I grew up where in Georgia we could kill 10 deer legally a year so mostly with a bow and then Alabama the neighboring state you know you could kill a buck in a dough a day for a long time in Alabama and they was people that tried to do it it wasn't never did you get you a good one this year like yep 47 like what like yeah you know and so a lot of food at first I was you know when I first started meeting and hanging with Rell I thought man I hope you don't think I'm just this Old redneck crazy
dude that you know and then once we've become friends it gets back to the whole how everything is so much tighter that you realize and how we all have so much respect for each other in different Lanes of bringing it and it's just like anything I mean you know you got different players on the Team all playing for the same team but they all have a different skill set and so uh we all grow up a little different and so again I just assumed growing up in my small little area just out of uh Manchester Woodberry Georgia um I I really think the area I was from is called booger bottom Georgia and I just thought well booger bottoms are everywhere well you find out there is a lot of different little names there are no lights there but I just really assumed everybody did and I was just completely devastated when I went to the city and you know and I'd tell somebody like man you know what are you doing he like man I work for a company we do hunting shows TNN you know I'm so proud thinking man I should be able to pass out a business card and meet a girl with this you know like oh my God you're a killer you kill Bambi and it just bro it just completely devastated because you had never been around people who were anti- hunting I never had I didn't know it existed I mean I was that naive I did not how old were you when you first encountered people that were anti-hunting um I was in my early 20s wow I was in my early 20s and how hard was it to wrap your head around that it blew me away and I and people that eat meat too by the way right yeah I mean we beir it really hit me when I started traveling I I literally was like a kid that was just you know getting up every morning for Christmas I I was having a chance to work for Bill Jordan and I had met him through winning a turkey calling contest and um he asked me him and David Blandon I can't say enough of great things about Bill and David David Blandon believed in me when I mean he always believed in me so much and he said hey man we'd love you to help guide hunters and back then everything around hunting was media outdoor life filled and stream so there wasn't any hunting shows but then about that same time TNN after these NASCAR races introduced an outdoor block which if you go back and look people like Jackie Bushman uh at
the time what year was this this would have been for me been 90 it had been a 92 or three or four somewhere right in there did they even have range finders back then no range finders I bought the first one I'd ever seen it was a bush nail and I still work with bush nail thing looked like a car battery I it literally you know I had safety straps I had like chains I like when strongest man contest to hold this thing up but uh you had the little ones you could roll and and it even tell you when the temperature changes it's going to give you an inaccurate it's going to change with the weather uh but no it was you know just guessing but uh was it a laser range f it was a the the the first ones was like a roller you rolled two things I forget how exactly that worked but it and it gave you basically a a rough estimate a rough estimate it be like 42 yard 40 yards and then Bushnell to my knowledge come out with one it was a bigger one it looked like I said it kind of looked like a small battery as big and it had a laser on it and you could range it and it gave you you know the yardage and obviously it wasn't angle compensating it didn't have any of the arc the angle range compensation had any of that and the first person I ever saw that even talked about that was Chuck Adams I was videoing with with him back in those TNN days and we should explain to people like angle compensation is like an arrow uh is quicker going downhill so if you're shooting uphill or downhill the angle you have to gauge how fast the arrow is going to go the feet per second based on the angle so if it might look like it's 50 yards as the crow flies your your range finder might say 42 correct and you got to put your rain you got to put your side at 42 yards otherwise it shoot right over its back and it works yeah it works really well it's unbelievable and and um that to me I didn't know existed have you ever [ __ ] around with those Garin sites no I haven't I've always wanted to try one it's great in theory and great when it works so when it works yeah I've had I had a problem with it a couple of times and I gave up on them and I'm hoping they're going to get better and then then they outlawed them in Utah uh I tried to bring it to Utah a couple years ago and they had passed a law maybe last year and um the best
thing about it though it's like a Red Dot you get that dot you have a clear sight picture no post see just that dot just that dot on the vitals it's amazing and the the fact that you could go to full draw and just press a button to range and then say maybe the animal moves 15 yards to the left you just press it again and you get a range and you have a perfect shot but some people think that that's cheating that's but it's the same it's just taking a step out instead of picking your Rangefinder off your bino P pouch and checking it and then changing your site and then drawing back with this you're doing it right from draw so from Full draw you can just keep getting ranges and then you can also hit it once and then a second time and you'll get pins so you get 20 to 80 nice yeah so even if you so then all your pens will come up ex based on that but if you just want a an accurate range you get that one button press and it'll give you exact range and you know it's based on everything is compensated into the site itself so angle compensation is built into the site itself you put in the speed of your arrow so if you're shooting 285 ft per second exactly exactly it's all factored in to your bow it's pretty incredible I liked that a lot because uh and I think I've heard you even mention this what I what I love about archery is obviously you got these windows everything ain't just setting out in the yard where you're shooting you're shooting through the woods especially if you out there El hunting you got these windows and um there was a site years ago that I remember and and it worked in theory great but it was simp it wasn't like the range or the the Garin but they had these fiber optics that were glued to the middle of of a basically of of a piece of glass that went into the site housing so you would buy this glass housing that okay if you're bow was 280 ft per second or 290 or 300 320 and your pins were preset so you went in and got your top pin dialed in so then you had all these but your sight viewing was good the problem was when it rained or if it got dirty foggy yeah and what I did like about that is uh is the fact that the reason I've always liked pins multiple pins is the fact that I could see my whole site picture where my air is going from 20 all the way out to even
if I'm shooting 80 in this case most of my sites I set up from say 20 to 60 or 20 to 70 I try to put as many pens on my site as I can a lot of people don't like it because they think it's clutter but once I've mentally got used to it if I range a bull say 65 when I pull back without having to do any other calculations I put my 60 yard pin on that Bulls in the clear and then quickly now it's like a you know memory of going back and I quickly go back up to my 20 yard pin and I'm looking all the way down through and estimating is this ARA going to Arc through but basically from 20 all the way out to my desired where I want to hit I can see the Arc of my arrow based on my pin set good so so you know if there's a gap in the trees going to be able to get I know I know if I'm at 60 holding dead on that clear spot but I got a Lim at 30 and my 30 yard pins in the middle of it I know like oh crap I going hit that so now I can just squat down so that's why I don't like as much a single pen technology and then quickly what I like about the pins it's clutter it's kind of oldfashioned but I do like that a lot from that standpoint of trajectory of of the ability to to kind of kill uh or to take and fill a tag and um Cam and I talked a lot about those things we talked a lot about the release I definitely like uh the the you know I like the handheld from a if I really want to try to Haun in and be a little more disciplined and kind of the Feel It Go not feel it go off and shoot with completely surprise I like that but I don't think that traditionally works as great for hunting because of the fact I think you do have to know and to make that era go right now if you consistently have to even in Texas I mean we're shooting animals at you know 20 to 30 yards those deer and um sometimes the opportunity sometimes they walk in they're they're dogging a dough they're coming in every deer ain't coming in just to eat corn or eat in a food plot they're coming in they got one thing on their mind and that's you know mama is ready and so they're coming in grunting so that deer runs he stops and you got to be at full draw no he's 27 come back and you got to send it right now you know what I describe it as the difference between practicing free throws and basketball 100% that's it Stefon Curry yeah is not it it is I mean
dude you don't get a chance to set up and and have a surprise shot 100% that's a great way to make that's really what it is I think practicing sure but I think there's moments where you got to make that sucker go off but then oh man yeah there's great hunters like Levi Morgan who hunts with a hinge oh dude I mean just an animal yeah he's he's probably the most decorated Archer that I know I mean that dude maybe of all time yeah cuz like olmer Gillingham all those guys are heroes of mine I mean like I very much look up to them and if I can ever pull them aside I just wear him out trying to learn you know right and uh but Levi is right there dude far as winning and what he knows and he you know what another thing about Levi I got to give him credit that dude is a coldblooded killer man he he is a great hunter too sometimes I don't translate I know some people that are great [ __ ] tournament right I mean 3D tournament ASA IBO winners right but it doesn't go over into the ability to just fill throw free throws versus basketball yeah no doubt it really is like you're you're standing weird one leg is down one leg is up you know you're on the side of a hill you got to can your bow a little bit you know you lean your bubble into the wind there's a lot of [ __ ] going on a lot lot and then you got the nerves you never get completely over that you know people ask me all the time do you ever get nervous or you get Buck Fever like man almost every time it's like I think that's when if if some of that yes you get good at kind of somewhat like stage fright I saw a clip of Elvis Presley I thought this was so unique I saw a clip of Elvis Presley uh the other day on this YouTube clip and he he was completely in panic and this was like right in the prime his career and he was walking around and and it was a narrator saiding yes Elvis notoriously would get just afraid every time went on fright I'm like this is the King right but but uh he was just pacing and he was being short with a couple of people I wish I and um in anyway he walks out there I'm sure he crushes it but I think it's similar to probably how some of those football players running out on the field there's no way you got all this clicking in your head like ah man I got to remember billich is has told me that he's introduced this new offense I'm not
sure I don't know if I can read I don't know I'm going to read this offense I think hunting's similar is to where everything has to click but you still get that now is my opportunity yes and dude it still is overwhelming and then to control it and then when you fit that air through that window and then you can pick up the phone and call your family and say baby doll don't buy no steak cuz I'm bringing at home it's it's it's it's again it's just an it's not like you want to disrespect the animal but you just achieve something grocery shopping in the wild is what you do yeah I think it's something that's very difficult to do that you care a lot about and anytime there's something that's very difficult to do that you care a lot about you're going to get nervous 100% And and when and especially with hunting there's one moment where you pull that trigger this one moment you have this one moment so you've been practicing you've been preparing you packing your gear getting ready all for this millisecond in time where you you release that arrow and you watch right in yeah and it's very difficult to master I don't think you ever Master you become proficient at it you become good at it but even the best hunters make bad shots sometimes absolutely animal moves the wind takes the arrow in a weird Direction it hits a branch going in you see it all the time it's not an easy thing to do so of course you're going to have those nerves but that's part of the reward of being success successful is that if you can get through that nervousness and I think it helps you in everything you do in life I think anytime you do something really hard very difficult I think that ability to overcome that difficult scenario helps you with everything in life 100% and when it comes to archery too you're on that ragged line to where in subconscious you can go from you can be the hero or you can be zero that quick all of that time the money the energy the time that you did step away from the special in your case because hey I'm elk hunting you you know you got to somehow communicate with your buddies oh man I missed or worse I made a bad shot let's let's let him lay and so everything that you look forward to that whole year could you could let yourself down so it's a very individual lonely
feeling yeah and you can't think about that before you pull the trigger you can never think I hope I don't make a bad shot cuz you'll make a bad shot you can't and I'm always is you always are you always positively thinking when you're like I'm about to put it on him yeah are you thinking positive I have to I do too yeah I think you have to I I was interested you know I was talking I mentioned Chuck Adams Chuck told me that he did that exact opposite he said sometimes I would say hey I'm gonna do my best I'll probably fail it almost like Mr Rogers Neighborhood I said you're kidding me and and to me this guy's the Beast and the only other person in history I've ever heard that there was a guy named C uh Kenny Bartram is a Motocross he was the first guy to ever do a backflip on a on a on a motorcycle and he landed it and so he went hunting with us one time in Texas and I said Kenny how I mean how much weed you got to smoke to get on a bike and think you can do a flip for the first time he said man I just always thought I'd probably kill myself but I'd try I said so you never thought you would land it he said no I every time I try a trick I think I'm about to wad it up I said oh my God how do you how do you do that and I'm thinking about me and my buddy boo Bishop building a BMX track and building a little something we jumped over and thinking I'd be scared they like right I can do this just jump over a little ramp I never thought yeah jumping the rra like I'm probably GNA crash I always would think I could and then when I crash I'd be you know like surprised like I can't believe that that hurt you know so Chuck and Kenny was the only guys I've ever thought that thought that you know a weird psychology I don't think that's the best way to approach it me either I good at it is there ever a comedian that walks out like hey I'm probably going to bomb but I'm going to do the best I can or I'm G to play this guitar the best I I don't know I just sometimes people talk like that but I think they they're they're fishing for compliments you know for their own self yeah I think man I hope this works well and then friends like come on man you're [ __ ] hilarious you're going to kill it like you think they might be like fishing for compliments yeah kind of
like you're tired and this third down and this like dude come on man come on be open hit me you mustard through I know you're limping hit me oh go yeah okay yeah yeah yeah you need a little of that sometimes yeah yeah I think these experiences that we have that when we relay it to people it it it's it's one of the only places like in podcasts the only places where you can hear it this way and I think uh that's what we're battling against we're battling against the media representations of hunting which is almost entirely negative and these perceptions that people have that Hunters are cruel and then then then there's this term trophy like trophy like that that is the MU deer that I killed with Ral that the first deer I ever killed I love that and you know you could say this is not a trophy mu deer it's not a very big mu deer as far as Mu deers go this is you know mature Buck but he's not a big one oh he's he's beautiful to me this is this is where it all started and this is a trophy this is not if you went to a trophy unit and you shot a deer like this people like what are you doing why' you shoot this why didn't you hold out for a big mature one but this is like the term trophy gets thrown around and and unfortunately has a negative otation but I think Ted puts it the best way Ted n yep he says he says it's all the things it's food it's trophy it's sport it's all those things together you know I don't think of it as a sport like you said I think the the term sport it's um sports are awesome don't get me wrong but it's not significant enough for for what hunting is% age you're you're taking a life you're feeding yourself with with that life it's more it's more powerful than Sport and that's why I think when you call it this sport of hunting I'm like I don't like that term I I agree with that too as a matter of fact if there's any negative thing I think the hunting industry and even TV shows that we produce can put a negative vibe potentially on trying to kill these big trophy animals don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with it I mean you you're hunting Utah and the places we get a chance to hunt absolutely you're looking for in that case a seven to eight year old bull uh you know sometimes they might score 320 to 370 uh at the end of the day the trophy is for
sure a mature animal but you also got to keep in perspective especially if you grow up where I did where literally there's you know 10 guys shared a 300 acre property that they just want a deer hunt and they're trying to get away keep in mind they still managing a family they're still dealing with the economy they're still dealing with everyday Strife of man how am I going to get off work still get my kid to soccer practice football practice my wife is pissed off I hadn't even took her to Applebees in the last three months you know and it's like I didn't take the kids to you know Disney World and the only family picture we got in front of the Shy's big boy so man what am I going to do but in the back of my mind I like I sure would like to get off maybe Saturday I could spend a little time and go over to the hunting lease and hang out maybe get a chance to shoot a deer they're not necessarily thinking I got to kill a deer to put it in Pope and young andar Boon and Crockett they're looking it's more than just a hunt it is a getaway it's a uh I call it it's it's the cheapest you know anti-press pressent you can get on to where you can clear your mind you can get away hopefully you can turn your phone off get up in a tree stand or a saddle whatever it is whether you're hunting public or private and we missed that in the hunting industry so many times and there's people that are literally busting their ass for their family it's not a sport to hunt but it's therapeutic they grew up doing it to be able to sit around a fire with other men and women sometimes and get away to cleanse yourself of everything that's going on and unfortunately I think that's what drives people sometimes crazy in the even in the CI sometimes I I walked around Austin to today uh early having a nice breakfast and I just walked around and ended up running to this uh Children's Network that was trying to raise money where you can kind of adopt a kid and give them so much a month so man I did again I talk to everybody I just hey man what y'all selling over here like oh man normally people don't come up and talk to us we have to sell them as a guy from Europe and and a sweet girl that was you could tell that born and raised right around here anyway with that said I ended up you know I said man I want to pledge
some money every month so I pick me out a kid in Guatemala uh and so anyway with that said about that time here comes uh a street person and he is cussing me and her and that fell out I mean the most vile words you could I mean cussing like a sailor as they would say metaphorically and I'm like man what's wrong with this guy so I said y'all get this a lot you know and it was just before I not far for when I come over here and the girl said yeah we do get that a lot and the guy with the British accent or the European accent said you know we get it quite a bit you know he said but I think there's a bad batch of something right now and I'm like oh really he said you know he said man people have been really mean lately they've been yelling and cussing and screaming at us and well by the time a guy comes back and he's like you mfers I know everything and everybody's [ __ ] and I'm and I'm like and he's he's right there and it's at and I'm at the point to where man you know I ain't scared you can and you can tell they experience it more than I do and I'm sitting there watching this guy and then all of a sudden uh he's just yelling screaming I said hey buddy I said uh just so you know we on your side man we love you bro I said you're right you know a lot more than people realize you know a hell of a lot more people realize and I said you cool I'm on your team so are they and he said I and it was crazy Joey looked at me and said thank you he left and and it hit me it was so weird I got a little off track what I was talking about hunting but I thought man the dude don't even really want to be understood he wants to be heard right and I thought how ironic that I'm going to speak with Joe today and anyway the girl and the guy says I've never seen that happen like that just got defused you treated him like a human yeah and I said and and and sometimes it's almost like uh you know you know I I've never figured out completely a lady my wife you know sometimes it's always a game like and I've I've learned that that I don't know that I'll ever understand exactly what it is she wants but I know she wants me to hear and pay attention and I think that's what societies do and whether you're a hunter whether you're from the city and and but overall what I have
found whether you live in the city or the country whether you get a chance to go to a rave or go to the Mothership uh which I hope to go by there t night I just want to check out the joint you know and and and so anyway when it's all said and done there's something about the peace and Tranquility that you can refuel out in the woods and it brings everything to a to a focal point and uh and you can be still and be quiet and it brings everything back and so in reality it's not about people going to think of you different if you shoot the biggest high scoring animal that you can put in the bop and young or the Boon and Crockett record books I think those of us once we learn to respect each other uh each other and and love each other's goals that yeah if I know that your goal is to shoot say a 390 bull that one day you know I'll get a call and you're going to be hyperventilating you're like I just did it like what like dude I swear you know well for people who don't understand why that's so interesting to us it's because they're the most difficult ones to get because they're the older wiser ones that's that's and also yeah when you look at it from a conservation standpoint those are the ones that you want to hunt because those are the ones who spread their genes and they're probably about to get taken out by Nature anyway correct if you get an 8-year-old elk or a 9-year-old elk or a 10-year-old elk how many years they have left I shot one 10-year-old elk once his teeth were worn down almost nothing just an old how how much time did he have left if most likely he was going to either starve to death or freeze to death or get stabbed in a fight with another elk he'd get stabbed and wind up line jump on him Mountain line jump on him or freeze to death or you know a number of other very very cruel endings that I mean I shot that elk at 40 yards it was a perfect shot he was down in 15 seconds it was no tracking so it's like that elk died the best way possible he did he's not he's not they don't live forever and become angels and that is a very good death compared to a pack of wolves or Mountain L starting to eat on you sometimes before they're even deceased it happens all there's so many videos especially bears oh bears are brutal man bears are very brutal and selfish animals man crazy like hunting
bears is the thing you get the most hate for oh everybody thinks they're cuddly I mean I don't know if it's a Winnie the Poo type of thing 100% but it's like teddy bears and Yogi and all that [ __ ] we're all distorted like when people say you've hunt bears I go I've eaten Bears I've eaten Three Bears they're delicious like what you eat bears I'm like I'll make you some bare sausage and I'll tell you what you will [ __ ] love it if if especially if I don't tell you what it is you'll go what is this this is great it's like seems like beef but different and then if they knew how a bearish personality was they want I mean want to kill them oh they they'll kill their own kids oh yeah and eat to breed Mama to eat them I mean it's it's just a it's a brutal world you know those was things before I even had a chance to hunt that I recognized just domestically you know my you know raising rabbits you know you know those rabbits would sometimes kill the the little baby rabbits for the right and opportunity to breed again real quick with the with the female in the pen you know and I realized and my POA said you got to separate them that buck rabbit killed that like man I didn't know that you know I'm 10 years old trying to figure out how to raise some rabbits or watching Hogs you know uh pigs they always had on a raised floor pin he' raise up a few Hogs man them jokers are trying to kill each other mean you know who does that dolphins dolphin are they brutal like that Dolphins we think of them as sweet intelligent they commit infantri side all the time what dolphin females have to do is they have to breed with as many males as possible because when a female dolphin has babies she has to take care of that baby for about 6 years so when the male Dolphins recognize a female with babies and they don't know that female those are not his babies he'll kill those babies so that that female dolphin will breed so he wants to breed her so she will breed with everybody possible so nobody knows who the babies are and so since they're intelligent they understand that they they've bred with that female before so that could be their their babies so they don't kill them so basically all the dolphins are hoes all hoes yeah that's how they they have to be otherwise their babies get killed so they've adopted this
polyamorous strategy to try to kill to keep the male Dolphins from killing the babies well that's amazing I mean you watch the breeding season during elk like he was talking about those fighting and ironically they never they never get things confused th those males are looking for the females the females know that I'm GNA breed with this dude and strongest survive and they are you know a lot of people say oh they're really not trying to kill each other no you wasn't out there I didn't watch this on that Geo this they're trying to murder each other oh I've seen some amazing epic elk fights it's some of the greatest things to see in nature these big 800lb animals running at each other with swords grown out of their heads it's Clash it sounds like anash like some kind of Scottish fight back in the 1400 like like a sword fight almost it's like cracking baseball bats together against each other and you hear it loud you're like oh [ __ ] they're fighting and you go over there watch oh it's amazing it's crazy to watch the brutality of it and you know you'll find them occasionally dead yeah because one of them is stabbed one we we found one um I think I have video of it on my phone he had a we were hunting him he had a 6inch tin sticking out of his neck holy cow it was broken off sticking out of his neck and he's still running his cows and bugling I'm sure I have it it's I had we had the same similar thing in New Mexico this year Nick mutt who's hunts one of my best friends we hunt a lot together he shot a good good bull like first morning I was calling it was classic man bull come in he shot it and we were caping him out there on the side of the hill and and all of a sudden look at here man he had a he had a t again about four inches and it was broke off just right all pussed up and this dude still come in I'm gonna send Jamie this this picture because it's so or the video because it's so crazy it's it's so cool though to see that and and and experience it and I I think it's sad that most people don't know um and there's a lot of very smart people people that in some cases they think it might be a little beneath them to to understand what maybe hunting is truly about other than maybe what they see on a Walt Disney movie and uh I think that is
definitely kind of fueled me to be able to help educate and talk about those things and I know ranella has done an amazing job of introducing that too and there's a lot of great ambassadors we got right now doing that yeah there it's a great time to be educated about this and it's a great time and there's a lot of people that have gotten really interested and hunting from those kind of conversations with renell and with Cam yourself and how did you eventually get started doing cuz like that's every young guy's dream that is ever hunted like oh my God imagine like making a living doing that like that's what I would love to do oh man how did you how did you pull that off one of one of the coolest stories actually and only in America you don't hear the story in Turkmenistan um but you know I I grew up obviously like I said rule I love to hun hunting fish um very simple my dad was a contractor so I really thought that that I wanted to maybe work with my dad or do what he did Hands-On labor I knew I didn't want to be in office anyway I try to keep it short but basically what I end up doing is just enthralled my mom passed away when I was young 16 and so my dad and I become more like brothers and my dad he had a ninth grade education the hardest working man I've ever been around and uh and so anyway we we love to hunt and fish and it become therapeutic and so we got I got a turkey calling and had won some contest and met some of you know my turkey Callin Heroes and that's where I met Bill Jordan and David Blandon and I started guiding when I was probably 19 so and then one thing led to another start working full-time there at real tree and just uh as a guy as a camera guy they had that Show on TNN and so I was just literally camera jockeying it from skin and deer guid and turkey hunters and it was David Blandon who said man um you know there's a lot more you could do and so I I I kind of by default Joe how I got lucky too was when I hooked up with those guys David Blandon and Bill I got to do some of the turkey calling tips because I had won some contests and so even back on TNN I was this young kid and they were like hey we need a we need a tip you know the TNN tip of the week you know brought to you by field line packs you know something like you know like hey man I'm Michael W I want to talk to you about
yeling at turkeys I ain't know nothing about TV so it was never top of mind like one day I'll be hunting on TV I was just thinking man I love this enough that maybe I can do the I can work for this company and and I remember they paid me $100 a day to go guide somebody turkey hunting and I told my dad man I'm about to get rich and listen to this they'll pay you this thing called mileage I had old beat up Toyota truck four cylinder I said dad that them suckers will pay me a a mileage I forgot what it is but Heck if I drive an hour I make money you know they pay it and then if you stop at a convenience store you keep your receipt and they'll pay for your snacks uh everything I couldn't believe that cuz I grew up with my dad working you know like oh Timmy just fell off the roof like well call his let's call his wife tell him to come get him and then my dad be you all right oh I think I broke my leg hell you know it's like well dang well you probably going to be here tomorrow are you like no I don't I doubt it I mean it was just rough almost Cowboy [ __ ] you know yeah and so I couldn't believe this you know and uh and so one thing led to another and that was in the early 90s uh right out of high school and uh I'm 51 now and that was in the early 90s and in 1994 and 5 everything started heating up and in ' 96 David Blandon offered me a full-time job to work in production be so surreal to be able to make a living doing this thing that you love when no one even thought it was a job when you were a kid yeah it was not a thing you aspired to no and my family took it hard my grandom and my uncles were like I might as well just got on crack and been on the street they're like I'd went to heat and air school and got a degree and worked a year with baringers hea and cooling out of bar out of zeblin Georgia and I had me a truck had my name on it you know Michael you know and had me my Refrigeration tools and every Christmas my dad I boy I got you another flaring kit I mean just blue collar culture and all of a sudden you know I'm coming in telling the family like hey uh I don't know if I'm going to keep doing the heating and air deal you like what like you got a truck son you got your own uniform you know you you got benefits I'm like yeah but there's
this camouflage company want me to take Dale Earnhart turkey hunting and and my dad was the only one that got it everybody else is like it was an intervention like I'd go to Christmas and like hey uh nephew let me pull your side now you know you can't make a living at this hunting and fishing thing you know like you know like well I don't know but I'm young and man this is be really cool I love this more than anything but it was kind of that whole situation of it wasn't a job before it wasn't a job and and and I and I was trusting him but I was sitting there thinking like I'm pretty sure Bill Jan's rich I mean he's I saw him with a Mercedes he had a Mercedes Benz and uh matter of fact there's a really funny story about that Mercedes Benz uh but I I couldn't believe it and so my grandma was like son when you get tired of this just go have fun with it but come back to it almost no different than if you're a young kid like I'm going to Nashville I want to play guitar and sing maybe I can be the next Luke Bryan yeah and somebody in family's like oh when he getss right he'll come back jump in the family business start putting these shingles on the roof you know he'll get back in sheet rock and just give him a chance hell he was one of the best concrete guys I knew that kid would work he could run a Bull Float like some [ __ ] you know and so I that was me and um and all of a sudden they offer me a full-time job wasn't a lot of money and I remember going back and saying you know hey they got all these things 401K they got benefits he I got eye and dental and I get to go on all these epic trips and I met amazing people hunting with people that I was just Shell Shocked I remember I met Leonard skinnard band in a NASCAR Suite one time the madest ever got at Bill Jordan madest I ever got it of course you know Ronnie was had passed on and half the members but it was uh Johnny Van an and it was uh rossington and I'm sitting there a redneck kid I'm at Atlanta Motor Speedway like I can't believe it there's Mark Martin's wife and I'm like man I have made it I'm over get chicken fingers and bro Joe all of a sudden I look the door opens and there was just people in there and there it's the Leonard skinnard band look just like you know like what I pictured and I'm
like oh my God you know I'm freaking out and Bill said hey Ain't That Ain't That a ban I said that's not only a band that's Leonard skinnard and Bill Jordan said what are they saying I said I swear to God I ain't never hit my boss but I'm about to knock you out you know are you kidding me and and I never forget I went over there and and I I was just you know I got a chance to meet them but so many people I met and I couldn't believe it and one thing led to another and really what the biggest break I had was David Blandon who was like a big brother I mean like a like a father and he was just such a good guy good Christian guy Good Hunter um Outdoor Channel was just coming on Outdoor Channel was really kind of coming on but at the time you know the the kind of beat your chest kind of Pride was the fact that you could be on ESPN and our TNN and then TNN had been through a situation where I think it was Viacom had some big merger that was part of the MTV thing and so they quickly uh through their kind of culturally said hey we need to kind of do away with this hunting thing these guys are killing stuff and it become the Nashville it was the Nashville Network then it become the national network then it BEC Spike TV and so everything moved over all the the big Sunday night block move over to ESPN but you couldn't show impact well about that time they started the outdoor channel on cable TV they were looking for distribution and so it was David Blandon he said Michael we need to come up with a cool hook and we need to create a show over on Outdoor Channel and so getting back to meeting these people and what I found it was fascinating and it's just the same with these conversations you have these people that you just look up to yeah you meet some people that are interesting and weird but for the most part you're like wow these guys are super cool super talented and that's what I was Finding when I would run into a country singer I remember Mark Chestnut sitting around and drinking whiskey and him playing a guitar and singing Hank William Jr song running into bosephus running into you know to Leonard Skinner and all those guys I like man these guys are so down Earth and cool and I realized that there was more to this hunting than just the staunch you know here we go with the incus ratch today we're hunting the
mosquite flats of inol you know the coyotes abund it there's a big buck around the corner how you going to do yeah and it was just like at the time it was SED so sanitized everybody was starched you go to a hunting show everybody had on khakis I mean it's almost like we it was a facade and um and I remember telling David Blandon I said I think what we're missing is the the culture and the fun and everybody was very serious and you should be serious if you're going to go take a bow and airrow or a rifle and take the life of a wild animal but the camp life was so amazing and we would have different personalities different NFL athletes we would have comedians people like Jeff Foxworthy and I was just so so pleased that these people that I adored and was big fans of was people that you could sit around and and have a glass of sweet tea or a cold beer and and just laugh and they were as real possibly more entertaining in person kind of like you talk about Theo people ask he really funny well you should have should have been with us at this UFC fight we couldn't even watch the fight the guy's you know cracking us up and so I told David I said I think most of these people if we could do a show kind of documenting just the camp life and the real reality of how much fun you have I think we could sell that fund and so David said do it he said he said matter of fact you host it and I'm like no no no I'm not coming in here to pit you to for me to host a show you know behind the scenes I'll guide I'll run camera I'll help edit produce i' he'd sent me to Maine to this International Film and art school to learn how to edit on nonlinear the first Avid oh wow I'm up there like dude I'm big dog I got my business card like yeah I work for real tree you know outdoor on TNN you know I'm I'm over there and I found out that was where it really hit me that a lot of people didn't like hunting like oh my God you kill animals and I had all these beta tapes and I remember I had Dale Earnhart killing the deer on there and I told the instructor I said I need to learn how to put this in the computer and build a hunt out of it because everything was AB roll editing and I knew how to do that pretty good I said but I need to learn how to do it on this nonlinear he said oh my God we never we
struggle to get footage y'all got these $80,000 cameras CU bill was one of the first people to buy these really high dollar beta cameras that was out videoing with and putting them in the wild and so uh anyway as that as I showed the footage he said man can we use this and let the class use this footage as a project to build story lines cuz I had the cutaways you know back then you you'd shoot the animal you'd video that then you'd go back okay push your safety off like now like you'd pretend you'd pretend so it was like a reenactment now let's go back and build a preh hunt you know and it'd be like Dale Earnhart walking through the forest with his Garo on or however and these camouflage like yeah we're going down here to a ridge flat a lot of acrin up there and well the deer has been dead a long time ago obviously by the time we shot that and um so he loved that the instructor cuz it gave us a chance to put the storyline and I thought man I'm going to be the hero you know all these little girls up here in Maine and I ain't never seen a lot of people with purple hair and stuff and I could tell it was kind of that cool hippie Trend and it was artsy and but in my mind I'm like I'm just I'm just having a good time and um anyway dude immediately Joe that it become a protest there was two or three people stood up in the class like we're not using this we cannot we will walk out these animals are getting dead if you can prove these animals were not harmed and I'm like no they're all dead they ain't I mean they're dead I mean the and finally I had a like a little bit of a meltdown CU that was one of the first times that it really hit me where I had a mass of people saying you know almost felt like the Antichrist cuz I'm the guy killing deer and I thought it was going to be the opposite I was ready to name drop like look I got Dale Earnhart I videoed shoot a i Afra to name drop and it just all you just never experienced anti-hunting never and um so learned that and then one thing led to another I remember went to the instructor I said man look I I I'm I'm a little bit bothered you know it is what it is but even if you have to teach me after class I need to learn how to do this I I'm not doing I'm a student but I come up here my employer sent me up here I got to learn how to do this so I came
back pretty efficient as a as a nonlinear editor all of it didn't have any desire to know that that's what I want to do but I was just wanting to you know sweep the warehouse if you want me to edit you want me to take somebody hunting you need me to put up a fence skin a up you know whatever and then when David gave me that opportunity to do real tree road trips back in the day was in 2003 it aired we shot it in 2002 that's when everything for me because it was all about personality it was all about having fun and that's kind of we kind of come up the tagline this is a different kind of hunting show well you were the first guy to bring fun and personality to hunting television oh yeah we tried so hard you know first gu it looked like you were having a good time with your friends it wasn't this stuffy presentation of like hunting like here he goes in the wild of Montana you know he won't go far where grizzly bears abound yeah hunting for The elusive mule deer exactly you the barious white tail uses secondary scrapes as he approaches his staging area exactly you you were having a good time you were laughing and cutting up and and I think that's what made you famous in that world it's like you were representative of what people really like is just someone having a good time and enjoying themselves which is really what a lot of the hunting is is a lot of bonding and camaraderie like the camp time is almost as fun as the hunting time oh you know and you're all just sort of winding down at the end of the day having a good time together relaxing and telling stories and laughing and it was and and even to this day it's kind of still where we kind of settle in and um it's like you know honestly I'm not really trying to out hunt anybody but we'll try to out fun everybody and so if you if you come to Camp you know and this myself big old T-Bone he you know he lost his leg so he's not hunting with us as much he can't he can't get around to to cancer he lost his leg and then but Nick and I I mean we're going to have a good time and if you desire to get serious which we do encourage hey it's time to buckle down there's a time for fun there's there's a time to to haunt it in but we just m tried our best to make it fun and I've learned that if
you do that and you can make friends that's the biggest of the trophy you'll ever get yes that's a trophy but the stories you got with sitting with ranella and the people around the camp and that experience you meet people from all over the country in our case the world and then next thing you know it's like even more special and so uh I I know people I said a lot I know people that's got some amazing trophy rooms but they're lonely they Dusty and they really ain't made a lot of friends because they were so beating their chest kill the next biggest thing yeah that they forgot that the trophy is relationships and the adventure and yes inevitably this this deer that's hanging on the wall that your family has enjoyed over a period of sometimes a year sometimes it take you a year or two to eat elk right a full elk it's a lot of meat but uh I don't know man it's just it's just an amazing journey and I I I mean I never felt like I was that talented is other than the fact I just had a lot of good work ethic my dad put in me and I was really had a passion for it and um and I didn't have really any weird opposition pulling me away from it it pulled me toward it but Growing Up So Ru in Blue Collar I had to prove to my family that there was a livelihood here because they literally looked at it like we need to get that boy drug tested I don't know he listen to this he thinks he's going to video deer hunts that's what he thinks and he's going to skin a few he's going to take a few celebrities hunting and he's going to get free camo but you can't eat that camo you know you you yeah and I ain't going to buy the sace B steak how you going to go to Bonanza well it's interesting because fun and personality and camaraderie are infectious it like people they they're drawn to it but it's not something you can manufacture you either have a great personality or you don't but having a great personality is very marketable so it's kind of a weird sort of catch like you can't pretend you're that person because people won't buy it you have to actually for the reason why it work with you is cuz this is who you really are that's you right and so you didn't even know you had this thing that was marketable I no it was just you being a person that it's a great point because to this day I'll go to and aside because
I'm now you know when I I know you love classic cars and I hear about the things you talk about and and obviously I'm a big fan of of the podcast and so one thing that draws me in is the fact that culturally we're into the same things you know Rubik's cubes and 80s and I always my favorite car was a 70 Super Sport you know chevel and so I one of those dude I black with white stripes oh my God I love it the same one like on John Wick basicall that's a 70 yeah so anyway I I I was just so just amazed by I don't know it's just all all of it and and uh and and even now when I meet people that's the first thing they'll say after we hang out and I just had it up at Cactus Jack with uh with Cameron I had two or three of the guys like hey man and these are older guys like appreciate you what man you just like I thought you'd be and it kind of takes me back it's not offensive but I'm like what what was I supposed to be and I I guess I realize and Cameron and I've talked a lot about that about like it's odd that there is a thing that is fake that people can't be transparent that people can't just talk their feelings and everything we say don't mean our assessment is always correct but at least it is something to be heard and told and then the more you talk I think that's what reshaped the politics this year when you look at Trump coming on JD yeah Harris passed well it proves like well did you really have something to say and could it be valid and could you be real and everybody I think appreciates real even if they don't like the person that they see necessarily as as real and now everything's in question it's like you know it's like these rappers are they really as tough as they say right is was diddy gay I thought this dude I thought he had done shot more stuff than I have you know and it's like you know I don't know I don't know it's just like it's yeah well when when people ask me all the time like oh you met jelly roll what's he like he's exactly like you you like that's right that's why he's popular that's that's a genuine real human being ex Luke BR just like you like exact good cool cat yeah Luke Holmes same thing that's exactly who he is and that's what people are worried about the someone not being like that like you see someone who's real fun on TV and they're real friendly and then
you meet him in real life like oh that guy's an [ __ ] he's me to waitresses and you know he's shitty to the [ __ ] the the valley driver you know it's you you want people to be what you hope them to be but often times you're prepared for them to not be that yeah you you represent that too Joe it's like I you know I remember going to Utah and hunting and I was like hey man you know this before I ever knew I'd get a chance to meet you and talk with you and I said How's Joe and he's like and and then first thing I ask Cameron is like dude he's unbelievable so you meet and you are that person and and and a question for you I often wonder do you think that's starting to affect Hollywood a little bit to where now if you look at the most successful people it is the realest people you know people might not even like say a Donald Trump but people are gravitated because they think hey man this is him this is real uh I think the best thing for people in Hollywood that are entrenched in that world is to shut the [ __ ] up because as soon as they start talking people like as soon as Robert deiro starts talking I'm like Jesus get that [ __ ] microphone away from him so I can enjoy Taxi Driver yeah heartbreak it's heartbreaking yeah I don't want to hear I love daero I love those mob movies it's like I don't want to hear him that he's a [ __ ] I don't want to hear him talking about politics and about Trump supporters and just shut the [ __ ] up man like you didn't think this through like this is and he's getting yelled at he's doing an outside press conference like Robert you're 80 years old don't ruin this thing you've had this life where you were [ __ ] Raging Bull you know you you in The Godfather like stop stop stop doing this don't do this I'm I'm terrified to meet some of those people I looked up to now you should be I mean like I've met a few of them and unfort it's actors in particular because their whole business is pretend their whole business is pretend you know one of the things about guys like Theo or comedians you run into comedians their business is the opposite of pretend they their business is just being a real person talking [ __ ] the professional [ __ ] talkers yeah you know having fun being silly talking [ __ ] about things and actors are not that they're weird people man and the one
thing that's harming them in Hollywood is that they get exposed for being who they really are and a lot of these people that pretend to be all you know clean cut and you find out they're into freaky [ __ ] and you know it's like and it's easier to expose stuff now because social media I'm sure like back in the day I can only imagine the part way Jennings and Marl Haggard can you some of these pictures on the wall in here can you imagine some of stuff they didn't have to worry about nobody right I mean there was really rockstars Leonard skinnard can you imagine Leed Zeppelin all those people the parties Hendrick oh yeah Jim Marson crazy craziness and no accountability nothing and all they got to do is like I was I was not there prove it and now yeah now you can't go on El cut and everybody knows you're there Well everybody's got a [ __ ] camera in their pocket everybody everything is being filmed and so many people get exposed for who they really are it's it's weird but it's also probably good for Humanity it's good for that's one of the things that I think is what the rise of podcasts is people get to see real people having real conversations and some people can do it and some people can't and I think the Harris thing was they were worried that she couldn't I think they I think they made a good assessment that she couldn't I don't know man I mean I've seen her have fun with people there's this one very funny conversation where she's talking about meeting her in-laws for the first time where her mother-in-law grabs her face and it's it's really funny it's it's funny listen to her saying she's laughing heart but a real life this time maybe she could now though maybe maybe maybe she so if there is a machine because you know what is it's fair to say uh even on Harris I'll say this or comma camel and and that's what's amazed to me I didn't think she had a chance to win because I didn't even know I still don't know what her name is I mean I don't know what the hell is it KLA camela I I think it's KLA it's KLA well it's like well I I'm probably going to screw it up like you know and then CNN's going to be like yeah you he Rogan didn't even call her name right it's like but at the end of the day maybe now that she's under out of that whole situation because you know
you see you know and I think the world's changing like where record producers and stuff are controlling music and you know if you're going to get on a radio station to where you know everybody walks a tight rope you have to kind you're working for this machine Hollywood I'm sure the same way you got people that I can't I remember Ted nent tells a story um was it Kurt Russell he was one of his best friends was Kurt Russell and Kurt likes to hunt uh and and this was Ted just telling me in a hunting camp and I asked him I said man you know how is Kurt you know I love his movies too I'm big fan he said dude Kurt is amazing he said but he had to to a degree during that time frame bow to that machine because he couldn't do these things so I think now it's like you don't know what's real because you don't know if they are trying to do this for a career or if they can be real and then at times okay I believe daero in his case is finally his true colors and finally like I'm enough to where I can be real but the real you do see him I'm like go back to being fake just go back to being fake I don't want to see this [ __ ] you really are I know I don't want to hear someone lecturing me that I just oh it's so sad ah crazy but I think real convers like celebrities were always people that were on a pedestal and you didn't think of them as real people you know you never got to see John Wayne having long form conversations where he explains his position on this or that you you just never sawy that and I think more of that is being exposed now and I think it's probably good for all of us to not have these ridiculous perceptions of these people and think of them as being larger than live characters they're just humans they're just regular people they're all just human beings and some some of these regular human beings are really [ __ ] good at playing bad guys but you meet them in real life and they're real super sweet they're really nice people they're just good at their job their job is pretending to be an [ __ ] that's right you know mean it's what we we the more conversations we have the more conversations that we're that we have access to the more we get to see the patterns of how human beings think and behave and the more we get to see what we like and generally what we like is
nice people being real that I totally agree that's what people like and and that perspective you shine you know obviously you got a lot of respect for Mike Tyson I think he's the baddest boxer toughest I mean I idolized him as a boxer I didn't know much about him as a man or what he was going through at the time but like when it come time to watch a boxing bout Tyson on a card there was no one like him but what a sweetheart of a man I listen to I listen to it and just the things he says he's so sweet that you know he says things that you don't even know if he's funny like he was talking about you know Joe you you know you ever get a wrect when you fight you know and and they think I think you giggled and he's like no I'm serious you know and I'm like whoa you whoa and all all I'm sitting there thinking was like I I feel you Tyson I was hunting El in you know New Mexico and bull come Bugan and I was kind of getting like $5 worth of jaw breakers it was getting there cuz I was getting excited about this adren of this elk so okay you doing it fighting but in my mind I thought it was kind of a joke too but he's such a sweet deep he's a sweet guy but there's a there's a monster in there dude and he can hit that switch he's scary still scary oh he scared the [ __ ] out of me meeting him the first time like uh I think Kevin Hart was the first one to say it he said it was like it's like you're in the room with a lion it's like you're like okay probably is this is the lion cool he's not going to kill me okay you know it's like Jesus but it was there's certain people that I meet that like you know I meet him like I can't believe I'm in the room with Quinton Tarantino like that is bizarre that was there's a few of those people that you meet him you know Trump's one of those people you mean like yeah he's right there amaz pres that's undeniable that guy un unlike anybody else can be himself yes that guy can be himself no matter what he can be himself at press conferences he can be himself on a podcast that's a huge strength that he could be himself you either like who he is or you dislike who he is but you have to respect that that guy can be himself he is and guess what the more you talk about somebody like Donald Trump like him or love him he has pretty much as
now you know the sack time he's going to be president he is accessible to the people in in a weird way meaning I had a chance to even meet Trump he talking about the hunting industry he came came to Las Vegas we used to have this thing called the Golden moose Awards and I knew Donald Jr he was a big hunter and um anyway the word got out that hey Trump this is prior to the uh election the 16 election he he came to Las Vegas just say hey man there's there's 13 to 15 million Hunters out there I need to see where they see what the situation is here I think they're good people and I hear this from my sons Eric and Donald so he he comes there and and I had a chance to meet him and same thing it was like wow this is before he's president but he's still Donald Trump and um and I remember I didn't know much if I could you know in my mind is this the guy I'm going to vote for he was still in the primaries but I remember the first thing he said to me he said uh his Donald Jr introduced me to him said dad you know this is Michael wadell he works in the hunting industry he does hunting shows he said man immediately so nice but I remember with the words he said that I knew he wasn't a politician was real he said so you do a lot of hunting and I I can't do the impression but I said yes sir I I love it that's all I love to do I'm not good at it I don't have the patience my son they're very efficient they're very efficient they're very good they they hunt all around the world he he said but I got a question these wolves what's the deal with the Wolves they're killing a lot of [ __ ] and I said Mr trump it really is a problem I got friends and ranchers out there these wolves they reintroduced them they spent up they spending millions of taxpayers dollars out there and this is in my mind if I am playing this role of inferior or redneck or insecurity here in my mind I'm trying to talk humbly to kind of help him know what I know some friends out in Colorado have G through from cattle to domestic problems to the elk population he said well it's simple if they're causing a problem we need to do something about the wolves and I remember thinking I'm voting for this dude I'm voting for this dude I don't care what he's talking about grabbing because I'd been to a few
little nonprofit you know in Washington DC with lobbyists and stuff where we trying to get some money from bill for the nwtf and brood and habitat or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and I found most of the politicians were decently fake almost similar to a California La actor type where it's like okay if I need to be nice this guy I will be but I need to figure out who he is and if he's got credentials and what power he has yes and so for me here I am feeling like I'm the lowest person in this room all these other guys are you know heads of major corporations within the hunting industry and I'm just this guy who likes to Turkey hunts got this show on The Outdoor Channel and I'm getting a chance to shake his hand but he's just as real with me as he is the guy who maybe is maybe the richest guy in the room or possibly the most famous guy in the room and I found that fascinating that he was that way on the other hand I'm over there talking to a senator at Washington DC at a at a party a lobbyist put together and it's like everything like good to meet you I I too like to hunt and so gratifying to see the sunrise and I'm like just a fake person just comp yeah weird right yeah it's weird when you're around them because what if you're capable of talking to people fake like this what other what other things what are you capable of yeah you're a strange human that's exactly right and your whole aspiration is to like stay fake and to make as much money money possible while being fake exactly and the whole time again I never dug into politics like I'm talking to a guy that once I do go back and Google he come in office he was making you know he's making as a senator I don't know what 50 to 100 Grand a year and now he's worth and it's all he's ever done now he's worth 10 billion or $10 million like how like where' that come from I don't think my Grandmama would understand that either nobody understands that it's like so transparent and it's right in front of your face like the Nancy Pelosi situation she's never made more than $175,000 a year she's worth a hundred and something million dollars how does that happen it's like corruption corruption it only happens through corruption and it's transparent legal corruption it's very strange and it's on both sides it happens everywhere if at
the stock trading and the red versus blue they're both right up there they're all they all have inside information they're all and they put Martha Stewart in jail for it didn't they yes well they actually put her in jail for lying she Lo lied to Federal investigators that's what they ah I got you it was Comey it was the same guy who went after Trump like it's real wild it's real wild when you see what it really is all about and there's Politics on both sides and it's it's not a right or a left thing it's a power and Corruption thing and I feel like there is a little bit of momentum that feels like there's a little bit of a cleansing process it's going to take a long time I think to get there but I think everything that's happening now it feels through opportunities and Outlets like this that people can talk and people can understand what's real and fiction or at least debate yeah it seems like everything from I don't know the the political world to just everything about the truth about whether it's hunting and fishing the truth about the cause most possibly uh you know some of the stuff about ancient civilization to to you know people and and uh people that that love Jesus Christ you can really dig deep and you can have good conversations and it's not just dictated by a certain machine and um yeah I love that that's pretty amazing that all of us can come together and and have a conversation pretty cool yeah it's it's a good time it's a crazy time to be alive but I think it's a beautiful time ah it's it's amazing man I really do and and and only in America baby I saw in America only in America I have more hope for this country right now after this election than I've had in a long long time in a long time it feels like with this crew of people with JD Vance and Elon Musk and RFK Jr and tulsey gabard and V Grandma Swami I think there's a real chance that things can change real chance that we can expose some of the deep-seated corruption some of the problems that we've had in this country and and move us on to a better path I do too and I find um I still got friends that are diar Democrats and pretty darn liberal uh believe it or not even me that that works in the hunting industry and even them I feel a sense of almost like ah I was having a conversation with a friend of mine from New York about
this and he's liberal but he was like listen everybody pretends that they're mad that Trump won but there's a a recognizable feeling of relaxation in New York yeah like like some sense of logic has prevailed no one really believed that she was going to be a great president they certainly didn't believe that Tim Walsh was going to be a great vice president that was crazy that were crazy that that guy was supposed to be One Heartbeat Away from the [ __ ] president and then they also knew that there was so much corruption involved everybody knew what the what they were doing with the Twitter files and all that other [ __ ] there was there was so much that like this is probably the right way I know I mean and people were paying attention that have never been intrigued yes and and I think a lot of things happen there it's like you know most people you know I somebody asked me you know how do you know when you're rich and I said well when you don't know what a gallon of milk cost that to me right cuz I remember growing up in that same rural area and you know my Grandmama and stuff but when I can sit there and talk to my youngans and I you know my son Mason I said Mason when you come down run by and get us a gallon of milk and you know get us some cereal we us have cereal and I got some sausage but get us a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread well that never was a case when I was a kid grandma said hey run by look don't go to bigar it's 25 cent more over there go over there to Giant Mark they got a deal right now as a matter of fact go buy me a couple packs of that Ground Round they're running a special gallon of milk they knew they drive over here knew where gas was a cheapest and when you get to a place to where you know you're doing pretty well so it's like I need some gas pull over yeah you ain't worried about driving across town save a quarter um my friend Brian has this thing I say it all the time he said this is how Rich you want to get where you can go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not worry about it yep everything after that [ __ ] and then look and say hey I won't tip 20% or 25 and you do the math just write it on there and yeah that that's that's you are rich and you are blessed if you can do that everything else on top of that
you don't really notice it it's kind of [ __ ] 100% agree with that and and I think that backfired on a little bit of the whole Harris thing when she said no everything's good yeah and she's telling that to people who know exactly where the cheapest milk is and they were going to vote for her and they're like yes no it ain't I'm struggling out here you know and then you're telling you know like we blessed to go to these hunting places but they're not cheap places to hunt to to be able to technically trespass on these properties that are privately owned and are if you were to go on a public El hunt you know the private public well look go get us a URI if we did right now me you and Cam and Remy planned us a a good do DIY hunt it's like but Joe you going to get the uck I'll go get the mountain house right Cam's like hey man I got plenty of mountain Ops and whatever and I'll blank some coffee imagine putting a yur out in the middle of can you imagine but I promise you if we just dutched it dutched it we still got three or four grand a piece yeah and we're going out there to to go hunt yeah just in supplies and setups oh yeah just in your bow and your arrows and your broadheads and your [ __ ] Rangefinder and your binos and your gear and your clothing and your boots the tires on your truck and gas and this and that and then tags and oh it's it's not cheap oh it's not cheap like I said uh you could either buy you a small farm in Kentucky or just get you a new bow I mean that's what it feels like these days you know but uh I I tell you it's it's it's absolutely so amazing that we get a chance to even do it and even get back to hunting I I tell people all the time it's like you know I I I've always stood by the fact I don't think um you're badass that you hunt I think it's just badass that we can have that opportunity in America that we can fall back on that and if times do get hard there's a certain piece once you'll understand the craft of it a little bit of that rule of living and knowing how to skin a deer knowing the best parts and yes you can't eat it all you know um you can eat organs you can eat real meats you can do all those things but at the end of the day there's a certain peace as a man especially and I think overall even though we're in a world to
where you know we got these equality and women can do what men can do or supposedly but at the end of the day I've always looked at it that um my job is to provide you know safety uh some type of structure uh food and care for my family and and any man that's out there that knows nothing about nature that if these cities shut down that would be a terrifying experience the Mercedes won't start the Wi-Fi don't come on uh you can't run down to Starbucks and all of a sudden you can't go to the market or call Uber Eats to deliver you Sushi or your favorite pizza you got to walk to where the an now you got to walk you you you and you have no skill set yes I sometimes but guess what I've gotten pretty good at the cities I know how to work these apps I can grab me an Uber I can grab I can go talk to somebody or I can Google and say man I'm gonna walk down here to this steakhous ton you can certainly navigate their world a whole lot better than they can navigate yours the world that me and you love the most is is hard to navigate for some people and I think they're starting to realize it and I really notic long learning curve it takes forever and there's a piece I I I told somebody a while back I said man I'm going to tell you when you become a hunter and you understand it and you become simple um all the financial situations you might gain money's nice I I agree that it don't necessarily bring you happiness it is great to be able to have the money to do those things we talked about just eating or maybe it is that 70 chevel that's like I've always wanted and I and you can buy it um but at the end of the day there's a peace comes to know that that I could potentially lose it all but if I got my wife and my kids and I got this bow and arrow I might actually gain a little bit cuz now there there's no I I got peace and Tranquility I got a certain Stillness that is more valuable than anything I could find at the Rave or in the middle of the city uh and so I've often told people even if you love The City Life which um what people might not realize I love the city of life it's so fun to visit but that's just it I want to visit I'm ready to get back out like the L of things I could do in Austin there's a million things my mind's going wide open like man I'd love to go over to the comedy club well I'd
love go man I heard the steakouse is great I got they got this they got that this place got the best martinis and this cigar bar but once I do all that I'm ready to go back to the campfire here in Whipple wheels and kyotes how and like you ain't going to believe and I'm puffing on me a Fuente cigar like you ain't going to believe this Steakhouse that Joe told me about it's Heaven it's Heaven well I think Michael one of the things that people really enjoy about you and I've enjoyed talking to you you have a genuine gratitude towards life you know it's it's infectious it's it's real and uh I think uh appreciation for this beautiful chaotic world that we live in is uh it's a it's a virtuous thing it's a very important thing well that means a lot and and to be able to to see that it it means is more to me than anything because I do I mean I I I don't even know how and and why sometimes I ask myself and uh I mean like I said I I just been so blessed and it's been amazing the people I've met and learned so much um I mean it's just I I don't know how it happened going back to that thought in my Grandmama's living room like what are you doing boy you know it's like you got a brand new flaring kit that's also one of the reasons why it's so cool it worked out that way it wasn't like it was all easily planned out and just a natural path for you to go down no did did you have much of that Joe like obviously growing up where you did and I mean you've I mean same amazing opportunity you had so many cool things has happened but did you ever have any people like what is what's Joe doing oh yeah everyone my parents for sure you going to be a comedian yeah what the [ __ ] are you doing like you're not even funny they didn't want me to fight when I started fighting they're like you're going to get hurt they didn't want me to do comedy because I was good at fighting they're like why don't you stick with that it was just no matter what there's always going to be people that doubt you especially if you want to do something that's highrisk low probability of success us you know it it made me dig deep cuz I think of that and and and reason I ask you that is because that experience I had with my family it was kind of mindboggling because I thought
they would see it as I did and I think there's a difference in perception uh or the way we perceive things in the true reality possibly because you got to sometimes bring yourself out and look back in from their point of view and I learned it as I become a parent because now I got kids and they're wan to do something I Got a Boy Mason he just he moved to Charleston South Carolina and all of a sudden I become a Grandmama in my mind I got hey when I get back chrisy we going to have some cornbread and collar greens and fried chicken I want to come back and tell you cuz he listens to every episode my son McCoy M all of them so in my mind I got him pictured living a little old house right there around the farm well he bus and moves to Charleston South Carolina I'm like what are you doing are you on crack and you tell me are you what are you do it and um and it hit me it's like man I'm being my grandama I'm being Uncle Tommy and the reason they was that way and same with your parents they love people love us so much that they don't want us to fail and I think inevitably we can fail people as felt the people we love the most because we want to keep them safe yes I don't want my you know I know it's a world where a wife a woman can go out there and cut wood I don't want my damn wife cutting wood I'll cut the wood let me get the calluses I don't want my wife going to the door uh you know if a villain's at night I'm not saying she couldn't shoot more better than me I don't know but at the end of the day I love her enough I don't want her hurt I want my kids to fail but in reality why not somebody's got to do these small percentiles somebody got to be a Michael Jordan yeah how did Michael Jordan what was his somebody say you can't make a living you know I'm sure somebody and so I think we want to put everybody in a safe spot and if you think about it if 80% or 90% of people can do these things well guess what go try the 10 20% if you fail jump back into the 80 90% And you can at least say you tried yeah at least say I tried to make somebody laugh on a stage at least say I tried to sell a Hoy bow and enough to make money and they'd give me a percentage of of something or have my name on a bat I don't know you can at least try it I don't think it
makes you arrogant are are overzealously confident it's just why not well I think there's people that are afraid to try that will try to attack you for trying yeah there's that there's crabs in a bucket you know there's that there's people that don't want someone to take a risk and succeed because they never took a risk and they they don't want to confront themselves with that thought they don't want to be confronted with the reality of what they've done with their life like maybe they did have a dream maybe they did want to be like Luke Bryan maybe they did wanted to be on stage singing maybe they did wanted to you know they wanted to do something extraordinary and they never really took the chance and so when they see you taking the chance they want to fill you with doubt they do it's a unnecessary and unfortunate aspect of human nature I I see that and I feel that from time to time but it makes you appreciate the people that encourage people more it really does and and um I i' I texted several people all the time especially when I think about it people along the way who said hey hey buddy let me pull you back stay away from this stuff but you're you know you're special in this you go do this and keep doing this man people don't realize what that that means you know I think about I think about that street person is like just I mean literally me in the right mood especially with this young lady right there I'd have wanted to hit him and I don't know mix marshal arts but I know a God dang haym maker and he didn't see it coming and um I mean he was calling this girl all kind of names and you you mfers y'all and all it took was me say hey bro I'm on your side and immediately he was just like he just wanted to be heard and maybe that's it maybe I don't know and and I think people just get tired of being outcasts you know people want Community they they really do they want friends they want it's like you were saying before that like the relationships you make in this life that's the real trophy it is and and that's the one thing I guess the last thing I'd want to leave about the hunting community and I I think you felt it just from people you've seen or maybe researched and like camman said he said man you don't find a better student than Joe he said he knows
more about broadheads than the companies themselves he researches this stuff he knows the uh geometry of bows and Brace Heights he so dig deep he said he just he loves it and I and it made me feel so good to know that you're that deep into it and um but when you start looking at so many of of of these things that's out there for us what I find about The Hunting Community it is a community of people that welcomes all it doesn't matter and they want you to learn and they're so appreciative that you might would just take a look into this culture that sometimes can be criticized that sometime be judged and think we're barbaric or we're hillbilly or uneducated or or just ruthless and uh and what you'll find is there is a part of that that with diff dipping into nature mother nature you have to kind of become an animal with that and be like the bear like the Predator you are a killer you have to come to full draw to feed your family but it's so welcoming and I've never seen anybody alienized I've never seen anybody that I've thought that was a solid person within the industry and are just people around my house that wouldn't bring you in feed you and say come on let me show you what this is about boy or young lady and uh I'm proud of that and I'm confident and I know that there's nobody even the people that might talk bad about them they're going to treat them good and um I remember I uh one thing that was epic that happened Joe and it hit me pretty hard uh my my daughter Addie had asked me said you know Dad what would what in a situation if we're at school and there's something bad happening you know was talking about some of the school shootings and I saw we just had one I'm like what should I do and I was like was there any kind of mandate or what you should do and they said well they say do this this and this hide under your desk and sit there and waiting they lock the doors I said well I'm about to go against protocol Addie I said and I knew her school they had these outside doors that went out and quickly there in Harris County Georgia it goes off into the Wilderness you know matter of fact my farm is right across from the high school and um I said Addy I tell you what I want you to do if if something goes a I said you know you've hunted with me a lot and you understand you
know how to hide and slip around and stuff like that I said if something happens and you can see that exit door and you can get out and you can hit the woods I want you to go right then don't wait around I want you to go figure out the situation like if a bear is coming in the tent you get out the tent and get up the tree or what you got to do and I said but here's what I want you to do I said you go and I ain't never told you to judge somebody cuz I don't believe in judging a book by the cover I don't I I don't believe in that but I said but in this case in this adverse moment you go out and you find a a beat up old Chevrolet truck it's got an NRA sticker on it maybe a beat up minivan with a mom riding around with some uh you know maybe it is that old 70 chevil cuz that guy appreciates good cars and you jump out and you stop him it's going to be a complete stranger but I want you to pick out that person I said you know you and and find out and I said if you find somebody with a four-wheel drive truck that you know it probably resembles your granddaddy or or me or or Nick mut and all these guys you jump in there they gonna have a little snack they definitely going to have a gun in there and you tell them what happened they will protect you until they can find me and when I thought about that I was dead serious but then I thought that goes beyond my daughter anybody it wouldn't matter if you was Muslim Christian or goth or whatever if you did that in the country somebody's going to stop and say hey man what what's going on they going quickly evaluate it and I'm not saying everybody won't I think most people has that opportunity but if you raise around that culture to where you're ready to help and you're ready to assist love is so deep and uh and and the nature and the human nature is to protect and to to make sure this person is doing good even if they don't align in thought process uh and so I'm proud to come from that and and and and that's probably my biggest Joy whether it's taking a a Jim Brewer or a Theo is when they see it that's that's always even if they don't get something they're like man this was cool this is fun there's some good folks a little scared of y'all little scared of y'all and Theo and all of said man something happens I'm coming to your house W and Kayla
press was at this little Funk he said W my wife his fiance I don't think he married said my wife said hey if something happens we're going to Michael W's house he said you don't even know where he lives she said well I'm still going there and um so anyway that that's just a that's just cool I'm I'm proud of that and that ain't that ain't anything to do with me that's just it's a culture it's such an amazing share that Michael I really enjoyed talking to you man thank you very much for it was a lot of fun thank you man tell everybody what your social media is where they could find your your hunts online all oh yeah um obviously uh bone collector.com at we're on Instagram at official Bone Collector I think it is and then uh there's a Michael WL page there's there's a Bone Collector page and heck I'm on Tik Tok so yeah all right I'm dancing over there too so I'm on everything it's China spying on me too but anyway thank you Joe been a fan a long time appreciate it was a lot of fun thank you very much all right bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]