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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day well I wish there was something to talk about you guys are coming here I'm like I love these guys so much too bad it's just there's nothing going on well I heard you you might have needed to cancel on us to get uh camea Harris on I was not going to do that um I would had to I knew you guys flew from England and I wasn't going to cancel on you because I she had an opportunity to come someone's you could look at this and you say oh you're being a diva but she had an opportunity to come here when she was in Texas and I I literally gave them an open invitation I said anytime I said if she's done at 10:00 I we come back here at 10:00 I go I'll do it at 9:00 in the morning I'll do it at 10: p.m. I'll do it at midnight she's up she wants to you know drink a Red Bull [ __ ] party on yeah but I think this idea that you're being a Divas cuz you're asking her you're offering her the opportunity to do exactly what the other candidate did right well she actually reached out when she found out that he was coming on so their Camp reached out to me so I said great I would love to talk to her but it was very difficult to tie it down and a lot of they wanted to travel and see the thing is like you can't if if I go somewhere then there's going to be other people in the room and they want to control a lot of things I'm sure according to the Brett Brer interview on Fox like people were waving him off that's a distraction people in the room like my whole goal with her and with him is just talk just have a conversation like a human being you you find out things about people you get a sense of them at least a real sense that was it I don't give a [ __ ] what we talk about I really don't I just I just want to talk to you who the [ __ ] are you do they do you think they think that you're on his side and they're more aware of you I don't know I mean there's uh just because of my appearance there's always been this assumption that I'm some right-wing Maga guy which is I was a Bernie supporter you know I am um not I'm a politically homeless person for sure you know I always considered myself a left-wing person I never thought I would ever vote right-wing but then the
the tides of culture shifted in a very bizarre way and it just made me over time much more aware of what this stuff is really all about cuz what this stuff is really all about is just these natural human behavior patterns and these tribal instincts that we have and it overpowers all discussions it overpowers what's good for the collective group it overpowers everything it's just people pick a [ __ ] team and then whatever that team says they can do no harm they will do their best to marginalize the horrible effects of the furthest extreme version of that whether it's antifa or the proud boys they'll minimalize the it's the same thing man it's the same if you look at what's going on with the Liberals right now so progressives are they want the war in Ukraine to be funded they want to censor speech online and they want to give the World Health Organization which is deeply influenced by big Pharma including the FDA deeply influenced the revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies is like legendary and they want to give them control over what we take and what we don't take and that's crazy and that doesn't make sense cuz that's not what the Liberals were when I was a kid my parents were hippies you know we lived we lived in San Francisco during the Vietnam war my parents were like straight up hippies that's how I was raised and so for me it was always like the Liberals were the ones who wanted education and open-mindedness the liberals who are the ones with the ACLU let the Nazis talk and let them have a rally they said you can't infringe on people's Free Speech because if you infringe on the speech of people you disagree with you're being a [ __ ] hypocrite you got to the only solution to bad speech is better speech we've always known that but when they had the power over social media and these Collective groups of people that all had the same ideology and then that tribal mentality kicks in and you lose the perspective that you should have as an educated educated person that recognizes is that everyone has to be able to talk and we have to figure out who's right and you might be wrong you might be wrong and you might be clinging to this idea that you're right and you're going
to do the whole thing a terrible disservice you know the thing that I loved about the left Jo was the anti-establishment left the left that were like you know we're going to challenge authority we're going to we're not going to listen to you know what the parties in charge may be saying you know the what I used to listen to Bill Hicks when I was a kid when I was 19 and go ah you know that's to me was like a totem of the left but you just look at you know what happened to the left and and what I saw in my own country and here and it and it just seemed like this her mentality came in and the moment you stopped you you started questioning or pushing back it was the moment you just found yourself exiled from the group and it it just seemed that what I fell in love with at one point in my life no longer existed yeah because it's [ __ ] and I think we should even stop calling it the left and the right cuz it's just tribes mhm it really that then that that is the real problem when when you have people that are supposedly Progressive and liberal and they're opposed to the idea that free speech is an absolute right as an American citizen it's very very important it's very important because it's the because too many people can decide what you can and can't say like when Tim wal was was saying like free speech doesn't apply to hate speech and misinformation well of course it does first of all of course it does but also you said misinformation okay well if that's the case like where is all the punishment of all the people that spread misinformation during covid like where's the call where where's the call for accountability it's nonexistent it's not real they don't really care about misinformation they care about controlling information 100% man and look this is going to sound like a party political point it's not intended to be but if we look at the facts uh from 2016 onwards we've heard a lot of misinformation yes a lot a lot of it a lot of it and nobody ever got punished for that nobody ever went toison some of those people are still in positions of power and still supposedly the respected Arbiters of Truth and Morality In Our societ sure they're still making appearances on these uh cable news talk shows yeah and look this
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business being entangled in information and that's what happened when these tech companies exploded right so business an enormous business not small business business like Google and Facebook and apple and these are huge businesses and all of a sudden they are in charge of information not necessarily Apple but in a way because they they have like banned people from the Apple Store and banned people from but it's their their businesses enormous businesses but they're super leftwing not just super left wing like super woke leftwing which is like kind of the craziest version of it where it just there's no room for negotiation there anybody who disagrees is a fascist it gets like real weird gets real weird with ideas so you have for the first time ever human beings are capable of just with a device they carry around with them that has unbelievable amounts of power that device has first of all you can be on it for like what 20 hours now the new ones they're like 20 hour battery life of just you staring at a [ __ ] screen all day and you're getting connected with an infinite number of ideas that are constantly coming your way and it's almost all in the hands of leftwing the leftwing party is Google it's Facebook it's all these companies that have massive power and until Elon stepped in and bought Twitter there was no counter to that it was just one side and that's where things get really weird cuz businesses like to have monopolies they like to crush things and if you have the Monopoly of information you get essentially Microsoft in Information Form you know when they had the antitrust lawsuits against Microsoft and people worried that it's a monopoly and there's people that think that about Google now and there's even conversations about Apple being a monopoly businesses love that they love to kick ass you know they love to [ __ ] dominate the business your your goal if you run a business you literally have a you have a obligation to your shareholders that you continually grow the business there's only one way to do that kids you got to kick some [ __ ] ass and if you you're the biggest thing and what what is in your interest well definitely controlling the information we would like to control and we also want some cultural beach balls that we
could chuck around so people like get distracted and throw them back and forth at each other there's a bunch of Republicans that love the fact that there're these gender affirming Care Centers they love it because it gives them something to yell about it gives them something like I wouldn't be surprised if some of them fun these things some people are [ __ ] crazy they're [ __ ] crazy especially if they found out was profitable maybe they got a [ __ ] some sort of a fund and part of it is a you know these are privately owned businesses the whole thing is just human tribal characteristics applied to the way we're supposed to like coexist with each other and share the space and it's all [ __ ] up it's all [ __ ] up because it's the Cowboys versus the Raiders and no one's thinking straight yeah that's so true election time especially becomes like that but I am hopeful this election I think there is one thing going on which I'm actually really hopeful about which is you know you had Trump on on Friday like the conversation is moving from the clickbait 5c mainstream media journalist will tell you what to think to a three-hour conversation you get to see the real person if that continues which it will and by the time of the next election this format will be the dominant format I think the type of person who is going to be selected for positions of leadership will be a different type of person than the type of person who's selected on 10-second sound bites on mainstream media Well you certainly have a way better grasp of who they are but the the medium is the message it will change the type of person that succeeds in that format right the VES will rise right and that gives us a chance actually to change the political leadership in West than Elites which is it's badly needed and we've been talking about it for God knows how many years now that the caliber of people coming through is not high enough right right if this format takes over that will change and I don't know it might just be small blip on the road down to Oblivion but it might just be actually the thing that changes the type of leaders we like and that's exciting there's a bunch of people that are out there now that I'm very excited about one of them is v a big one is
tulsy Gabbert and RFK Jr of course um I love that guy I love what he's done his entire career and I love what he's trying to do with health I mean this is a real issue that we all face and we're all being poisoned and they're profiting off of it and we're not doing [ __ ] about it meanwhile you stop psychedelics from being given to Veterans to help them with PTSD it doesn't make any sense this makes zero [ __ ] sense and they have so much control over what you say and do because if you can decide that something is it's unsuitable for the population like like the drug schedule program they have in the United States right they have schedule one two and three depending upon if there's any medicinal use for it and psychedelics r on schedule one that is crazy have you telling me there's no medicinal use you could get thousands of people to testify in Congress about soldiers in particular I know so many soldiers no one prepares them for that they go over there when they're 19 years old and they see people get blown up they lose their friends they come back and then they're supposed to just integrate and there's no [ __ ] program that can help you do that there's you're on your own and you got to sort through what you've seen that's so different than all these people around you you have to sort through seeing your friends die you have to sort through having to kill people you have to sort through that and just exist and then there's a tremendous amount of veterans who commit suicide it's a crazy number and Psych dels are proven to help that so the fact that there's some sort of an organization that thinks that somehow or another that is bad that this thing that doesn't kill anybody literally like the ld50 rate for siloc ibin is something insane it's like you have to take well it's like a 100 pounds of it or something I don't know what it is like let's find out what's the ld50 rate which means lethal dose at 50% of the population like what kills half the people it's like you can't do it it's not that's not what the concern is are there concerns about people losing their marbles when they do it yeah yeah there is concerns it ain't it's not a [ __ ] free ride you know there's some people that are mentally fragile and they have mental issues already they shouldn't be
doing that but for everybody else there should be a conversation where we figure out how to make the world a better place and one of the ways to make a world a better place is to make people more kind more compassionate and more understanding and that's something that psychedelics provides and the fact that that is somehow or another listed by a country that is the leader of the Free World in the most information Rich time alive there's so much access to information we all know what they really are and what they're not and yet this organization that somehow in this Shadow organization that controls what we do tells you you can't have that if you have it you go to jail that's bananas that doesn't make any sense and as long as keep stupid [ __ ] like that people will never have hope that there's going to be a better Horizon a better future they would think that all these things are so it takes so long just for marijuana look marijuana is still not federally legal but it's legal in like half the states it took so long for people where they're drinking whiskey on every [ __ ] Corner people are just doing shots and drinking tequila and marijuana's something that gets you locked in a cage as long as something like that exists it's Preposterous and completely illogical the good that it serves is the ruling class gets to rule without logic MH cuz they don't have to it doesn't have to make sense [ __ ] you you're going to jail you and as long as they say that you're like ah we raise your taxes you got to pay him [ __ ] you you're going to jail but the [ __ ] Constitution shut up so if if there's like an illegal situation like that or an illogical situation like that rather it makes you lose faith in the whole system when someone like RFK Jr comes along and says hey I think we can fix this it's like give him a [ __ ] chance maybe he can maybe he can fix this whole Health System where we've been co-opted by these these giant organizations that want you to make money you know we interviewed on the show want to make money off you rather yeah absolutely you know on our show uh we interviewed a guy called um DAV Dr David nut who's a neuropharmacologist and he's in charge of uh the huc enic trials in Imperial College London looking at how these particular drugs can alleviate PTSD
anxiety other types of mental health disorders and depression and the results that are coming out of there are fantastic they're actually showing that a lot of drugs like siloc cybin are in fact far more effective than prescription meds when it comes to alleviating conditions like depression and it's really impressive what they're doing it you know I've talked to a lot of what is this was this Jamie I can't hear you buddy LD oh the ld50 rate oh say your your mic's not on brother Joe sorry could you pass the lighter please sorry thank you sir Jamie's got the he has to have the mic down because Carl snoring he's asleep so it's probably a little safer but that was the ld50 bro when he snores he [ __ ] puts in some work that little dude this is the best I could find that was uh 280 per milligrams per mg to kg which is really hard to understand so it's 154 lb no no so for an average size individual oh that's the weight of the average size individual so the lethal dose 50% is okay normal dose would be it actually says no lethal overdose potential says it's there's no potential for dying right the recommended therapeutic dose for Optimum effects is 20 to 30 milligrams for an average size individual uh 70 kg or 154 lbs For Whom the medium lethal dose ld50 is 19,600 milligrams making it virtually impossible to ingest a lethal dose of psilocybin but boy if you got close mama you might figure everything out you just get get to the door you might be able to come back with enough information like I've solved it I solved it you know what I I did um I probably told you about this before but I invited a shaman around to my house a couple of years ago and I did a silos cybin trip yeah and the results of it was so profound they changed the way I looked at the world and I remember coming out after that the next day going oh all you're doing all you really are is a conduit for energy that's all you are you're a conduit for positive energy or light or you're a conduit for dark and that's really your choice as a human being do you want to put light and love out into the world or do you want put dark because we have both of those fundamentally contained within our soul
so it's up to you as an individual what do you want to put out there and if you want to put out light and love you're going to get back light and love and if you want to put Darkness anger destruction you know what that is going to come back on you threefold it's true it really is true it seems so simplistic and ideal oh that's such a utopian version of the world but for the most part there's something real to it and you you do sense that you do sense that sometimes in life you know there's there's these like Beautiful Moments in life where you kind of like oh like this can be navigated this life can be navigated better and one of the best ways to navigate life is to avoid conflict at all at all costs it never solves anything it almost always creates problems and people that want conflict all the time are the most miserable people they're just constantly embroiled in hate and anger and trying to get people back and uh I think people that's the negative thing that people associate with Trump the negative thing that people associate with Trump is of like you hit him he's hitting you back harder like he's got this thing you know like he called some lady that uh you know one of the ladies that he allegedly had an affair with he called her horse face on Twitter while he's a sitting president that is so crazy so that bothers people because it's like that kind of energy you know we don't like that kind of energy and I think that's something that people are very apprehensive about for a leader sure what was your sense of his energy when he was here it's he's very Charming right so he's very friendly to me and he also we have a very good mutual friend Dana White Dana White loves him he stuck up for Dana when MMA was a band Sport and he let them put on his events in uh in Trump uh Trump casino in Atlantic City and so Dana loves the guy and they've always had a good friendship you know um he got mad at me one time because I said that RFK Jr was the only guy that makes sense but I was essentially saying it the same way I'm saying it here it's like what RFK Jr is he talks about facts and talks about reality and he talks about issues and he talks about like studies and what we know about things he's just brilliant with his recall and he doesn't attack people and I think we could all use more
of that even if he's writing something about something like in that book the real Anthony fouchy it's because it's true and it's it's not good information and it affects all of us it's not he's not like personally attacking someone and I think that personal attack stuff is what bothers people and so what did he do he just attacked me but he attacked me in the craziest way he said uh I wonder how loud Joe Rogan's gonna get booed at the next time he goes to the UFC I'm like hey bro like out of all the places that's kind of your homecore right there all the places we think I'm going to get booed come on man yeah those [ __ ] people I've been working for that company for 27 years like whatever it's been I mean n yeah when did I start I started in 97 that was the first time I worked for the UFC like come on that's a crazy thing to say or how about I hate Taylor Swift I forgot to ask him about that one did he really tweet that I think he put it on true social when she endorsed combo Harris all capital letters I hate Taylor Swift I think he he just has this R so crazy like he just has to go out go after anyone who says anything negative about it's why he's still in the game though this is you have to realize like that's the kind a guy that even though they throw 40 felonies at him he's still in the game and he's still all day he sat here for three [ __ ] hours man and that didn't have to pee before didn't have to pee afterwards just gets on the [ __ ] plane flies to Michigan does the other thing he's two hours late he just goes man it's kind of bizarre like you people you hear about that you're like Ah that's not true like no he really stays locked in he didn't get tired you know he was Lo he's 78 years old but he was locked in he's got a lot of energy it's unbelievable how much energy he has and one of the things I said as well is after you you watched his first presidency he didn't age do you remember Barack Barack Obama was like it was like someone drained the color from him same with Blair yeah yeah same with Blair everybody everybody gets hit hard the look at Biden Biden basically died I mean he got to the point where you're get check on that every now and then he uh I said basically every now and then he [ __ ] will do hold a press conference and it's wild it's like so
who lets him get to the mic is there no he's still the president but meanwhile who's running this [ __ ] she's she's doing podcast she's flying all over the place doing there's no way you're paying attention so who's running this thing yeah Nancy Pelosi a bathtub filled with diamonds right now same age though as well she's older she's older than all of them she's like 83 you know what it kind of feels like you know when you're in school and like the teacher leaves gets called out by you know and then it's just you in the class the rest of the class and you're looking around going what the [ __ ] going on yeah how are we free you know what it feels like for me when I use my Tesla on I use Auto Drive I just hands off like Jesus ises this work I know it's supposed to work but I got to keep my hands here thank God for the Deep St huh yeah well the uh if if that's real if that's what's running this thing I assume it's his cabinet that's running everything but even then it's like did is that really how it's supposed to be it's kind of not it's kind of the weird thing about running for president when you already have a job it's like that's why people get mad at Governors who run for president it's like hey bro you're supposed to be governing like we got a lot of problems here and you're clearly not it's like you if you don't want to quit your job to apply for another job the people that have already employed you are like hey [ __ ] face you're you're not even here every day you're you're trying to get this other job this is nuts like I've never seen it employee where uh you're not on the job and yet you're still here and if you don't get the new job you get to come back and be in this job that's crazy why do we let that happen like if you want to be Governor okay you're Governor you want to run for president you got to quit being Governor or you got to do your term out because you're going to leave us anyway so like if you have two more years left and the elections are you you're going to leave us you're going to leave us high and dry here you [ __ ] quit the job quit the [ __ ] job you can't have two jobs so it's that's the nuttiest thing about running for president for re-election right so in coma Harris's case she's not necessarily really running for
re-election because she's the vice president but she's also the vice president that's running for president so she has the second most important job in the world and she's not doing it because she has to run for the first most important job so who's doing the job well who's doing bolt jobs who's doing Vice where's the are oh man it it has that feeling though that you remember like in the '90s where you like I don't know if you felt like this when I was much younger where you just kind of didn't question it as much and then all of a sudden you start questioning things and it all it does is lead you down from one Rabbit Hole to another Rabbit Hole to another Rabbit Hole you know it's like people always used to say to us when we started trigonometry they were like you know the whole free speech thing is [ __ ] but blah blah blah you just want to be able to say racist things you're R and then and they were right and they were you know and that's why I came to Texas yeah book him is [ __ ] in their pants right why did you do that I I tell all comedians don't ever do comedy at something that's not a comedy event don't do it don't ever do comedy at a place that's doing also doing you know you're going to is it going to have a bunch of speakers and you're going to go up and do 10 minutes don't ever do that it's a terrible setup it's a terrible setup and it's a political rally and you're doing jokes like you're in a comedy club it doesn't you can't don't do it I don't really blame Tony though cuz Tony is what Tony is right like if you want an insult comic Tony is the best in the world that's literally his his his great specialty is roasting right the best roaster ever if you bck Tony hinchcliff Tony hinchcliff is going to be Tony hinchliff exactly so whoever [ __ ] booked him that's the person that's that's made the mistake booked him but apparently went over his material did they go over his material oh my this is what I've read on the internet so it must be true in the words of Donald Trump someone's getting fired man I got to tell you that joke kills at comedy clubs I don't like the joke it kills and I said to him I don't it's just like if you're Puerto Rican
and you hear that in the audience like oh it's a funny joke joked does well but I said to him I go dude that's the one that's going to get you stabbed really yes and he used to talk about it on stage saying Joe Rogan always says that's the One's Gonna Get me stabbed like wow wow which is so crazy yeah I think he'd pick stabbed at this point given the [ __ ] is going down I think it'll blow over just like all these things do and there there's people that that are always going to hate someone like Tony and it's going to make other people love him more it's just like he's going through it right now yeah yeah yeah going through the storm as somebody who you know has wound up you know who winds people up we you know we've wound people up on our time you guys are winders we get called something beginning with w right oh well you guys that's a negative over there wanker you can call someone a wanker here and it just like yeah like call him a cracker it doesn't really work H but when I saw what Tony did I went all right mate you're in a different League now to me that is another level yeah Obama was uh quoting his bit but he's quoting like it was a statement right which is really [ __ ] up he was quoting it like he was saying someone called Puerto Rico an island of garbage but you know that's a joke that's like going to a Quinton Tarantino movie and then the man killed that woman like he didn't really kill that woman that was a that's like a doll yeah you know this is a movie no one died everyone's fine they all like each other but if you give them ammunition yeah it's the problem we were discussing this the bathroom like it's like that's their job that's what they have to do yeah go to do that's their job you give them ammunition they're going use it of course they're going to do it that's what they do like you you can't assume they're going to be a good person and not use it in this critical moment how many days are we like eight days before the election that's crazy that's so soon of course you're going to use everything I'd use it too but you know what it nicely encapsulates modern politics because it's a storm about nothing it's a storm about a joke at a rally and actually everybody's focusing on that instead of the huge problems that America has which we all need to be
discussing and we need to be discussing in a calm serious and sober manner because for example if you have an open border that's an existential crisis CU if you can't control your borders you don't have a country but we don't talk about that really we're get we're getting upset because Tony hinch came along and called Puerto Rico and trash he made a joke exactly he made a joke there's an island of trash it's called Puerto Ric here's what's where that joke comes from Tony is actually obsess with the Pacific Garbage Patch and um and like the fact that we just throw like we were talking about like recycling like recycling doesn't work they don't do it most of your bottles when you throw into recycle they get put in landfills so there's a landfill in Puerto Rico that's way overflowed Puerto Rico has a legitimate trash problem because they're on an island like where you going to put it right there's all these people living on that island where you going to put it and so they have landfills their landfills are way over capacity so that's where the joke came from right like the joke came from like Tony being environmentally conscious recycling yeah they don't seem to have taken it that way but that from his roster perspective that's where the joke comes from I think it's called Puerto Rico and you say it and everybody laughs yeah yeah and actually we were at the rally uh and people say no one laughed not quite true like it didn't get a big laugh but it it it got a bit of a laugh it's funny joke yeah yeah it's you know even John Stewart said it was a funny joke which I thought was great of him he had much better ones that got bigger response but yeah it's a terrible people like well it wasn't funny right cuz it was it was a terrible setup for comedy everything was wrong if you were in a comedy club and that guy did that set you'd be laughing it's just a bad setup everything's wrong it's like you don't go to see acoustic mu music while people are using jackhammers around you right like it's not the right setup right you want to go where somewhere it's quiet yeah and stand-up comedy should be done in a comedy environment in in a club or I mean there is a great video though I should say of Don Rickles Don Rickles in the have you seen that the reag inauguration he Don
Rickles was a g boy he was a funny man he was so good he was it really translates today like you watch that set it really translates today but I think Don Rickles was almost like he was in this category of ultra famous comedian right he was in this Dave Chappelle type category where just seeing Don Rickles all of a sudden it was a comedy show like oh my God Don Rickles is year Tony hitch Cliff does not have that right if Dave Chappelle went up and did 10 minutes in front of Donald Trump or 10 minutes in front of KLA Harris that's a different thing because it's like he's a cultural icon and you will immediately go into stand-up comedy mode like oh [ __ ] chapelle's here right that's what Don Rickles had with Reagan Tony doesn't have that it's a bad thing to do the whole thing's bad it's like doing a bachelor party like when you have to do comedy at bachor parties it's they want [ __ ] and cocaine why is this guy telling jokes but it's just a bad environment it's a bad environment for comedy and you know that joke I I would have told him don't you [ __ ] dare do that joke I never like sat down with him I didn't know what B bitsy was gonna do but then I heard he did that joke I was like oh oh Jesus Tony here it comes I think there are comedians probably who I think Tony's the wrong type of comedian for that if you had someone come in who wasn't a roast comedian who actually made everyone feel good and like do it who could do it and just talk about cultural issues and get everybody to laugh is Jimmy door Jimmy door is really good at that he's he could do something like that cuz he's so knowledgeable when it comes to politics he could Bridge the gaps between humor and fact and reality and what what we're up against he could do that but it's not Tony's wheelhouse Man Tony's just talking [ __ ] about people people's clothes and stuff like he's very [ __ ] very shallow with that like his comedy is all just you're a loser you know it's but it's fun it's like and he'll get through it it's you know he's going through a storm and that's what happens with all these things with people like that but it's good for him too like when he got canceled in the past he came back way stronger as a comic cuz he felt like he had to prove something like it made him
really tighten up his material like really edit things well and really like write sharp stuff that's what'll happen with him he'll come back better yeah the thing I really like about Tony is Tony's a fighter you can tell when we interviewed him on our show and we talk to him I'm like you're a fighter you're you know that's who essentially is and he's going to come from back from this better and stronger and it look it's everybody who is smart realizes that this is a storm about nothing and it's being used and politicized and weaponized by the Democrat Party because that's what they do that's what every because it's effective like that's their job like it makes sense that they would do that that's literally their job their job is to win this [ __ ] election and if they can win this election by finding some lady who says Trump fingered her in the 80s roll her out roll her out like who else you got you know this like all kinds of crazy allegations on both sides there's I've I've seen nutty things that I don't even want to repeat about k and I'm sure aren't true but it doesn't matter they're just throwing things out there as much as possible and the the thing is like most people aren't even paying attention to them it makes me so angry you know I like my great-grandfather he died on the Eastern Front fighting actual Nazis these comparisons are just they're illegitimate and what they do also is they take the power away from the words because now if you say this guy is a Nazi there are some Nazis like open your [ __ ] Twitter feed there's some Nazis out there real Nazis right but if you say that guy's a Nazi no one takes it seriously anymore right but there were some other things at the rally that people got offended by and one of them was that guy's name Steven Miller is that his name yeah he he he yelled something like America is for Americans like some something like that let's see what he said see what he said I don't remember that part that was a weird one I thought cuz I'm like okay what's an American they're all immigrants though it's a literal country full of immigrants so what you know it's not like saying German Germany is for German right CU you know that has a different
vibe to it it does a bad example I I should have said like uh Portugal is for Portuguese but they go Germany's for the Germans you're like oh chill out but it's that same kind of rhetoric to get people like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa why you yelling that like what he saying like I really like the way JD Vance talks it's not screamy yell it's like very smooth and he's very coordinated very good very good at being very intelligent guy very good at being a politician and he does these interviews which is interesting too cuz he'll talk to all these people'll talk to CNN all these people that corner them they try to Corner them on stuff it's interesting what people admit to and what they won't admit to what they won't talk about you like did you see Jake Jake Tapper and him got at it yeah jakeer he's so good with the media man he's very good at breaking the that they say so what does he say Americans for Americans only let's see what he how he says it listen how he said America is for Americans and Americans only all right settle down bro that's goofy that's goofy because yeah right but what is America America is literally a country of immigrants you know there's a I want you guys to be Americans you know I know people that have moved here to become Americans best pool player in the world fredor G he's from Russia became an American citizen he's American now he plays literally on the Moscone cup which is like America's pool team he American America is everybody from everywhere that's literally what we are we are the the actual Melting Pot so America is for Americans only okay what does that mean yeah how about let's not let in criminals rapists and murderers how about that how about let's vet the terrorists before they come across how about say that America's for Americans only like okay totally and you know we've traveled to many countries I have to say when it comes to Legal immigration I haven't been to a place that's more pro-immigrant at the level of the ordinary person than this country well we love an immigrant success story right we love a guy who comes here from Nigeria and now he's worth a billion dollars and he made his own computer company like holy [ __ ] look at that this guy came from nothing we love a come
from nothing we don't that's the things that uh my friends from England always tell me is that there's this real uh sort of um there's an idea in the culture like to keep people in their place yeah and they don't like when someone has like wild aspirations and they'll try to [ __ ] on you he says there's no support at all for you like chasing your dreams T puppy syndrome we call it yeah yeah well look Francis was born in the UK I I came there when I was 11 I love Britain but there is this element where you're not supposed to strive you're not supposed to think you're special you're not supposed to try and Achieve too much like everyone loves you as long as you're not too successful but if you really think you you want to be successful it becomes more difficult and why a lot of those people end up coming here yeah they [ __ ] give up your your uh tabloids are brutal your tabloids over there are brutal and the laws are like different and now the tax system too with this government that we have now they're literally we're losing more millionaires than any other country in the world except China didn't France do that at one point in time enact an enormous tax and a [ __ ] ton of people left and they W up losing money lot of country have done it it doesn't work cuz rich people don't have to live there well that's why we have to have one world government don't you understand you can't just keep letting people move move to favorable spots that's how America got started in the first place yeah right yeah we're seeing this what we're seeing in the UK as far as I'm concerned and I'm sure constant has his own view on this is we're seeing for me the slow creep of I would say soft authoritarianism but not even that you look at Scotland so Scotland on April the 1st ironically enough brought in hate speech hate speech bill they called it it it came into law and that has now criminalized public performance include standup comedy yeah I've heard that but the problem is they have that enormous Festival there every year yeah the yeah the Edinburgh Comedy Festival Edinburgh is like famous worldwide the biggest comedy it's biggest Arts Festival in the world yeah Ari shaffir's done it like multiple times he Raves about he's like you have to go you have to go in bro
like no I don't shut up n you don't you don't have to go but he said it's like you should go there and do American standup cuz they're basically like a lot of them are telling stories now have a theme every year but he goes it's really cool though it's a cool like art art environment so if they come along and say that all that stuff's hate speech now you you've killed the whole thing well Tony would be in be if he'd done that joke there he would be being investigated by the police right now well he'd probably be in jail if he's in Canada this is not an exaggeration yeah yeah no I'm sure he would be yeah yeah yeah that's danger that's the whole thing we're talking about it's like left-wing ideas Used to Be Free Speech is important I mean that's why if you go back and like even in like leftwing magazines and like remember when Gore Vidal and William F Buckley had that debate that was a a brilliant moment right cuz that was kind of like one of the first podcasts MH cuz they played it on if you haven't seen that what is the uh documentary about something best something enemies it's a great documentary but it shows that Network that put it on I think it was ABC was getting killed in the ratings and otherwise they would have never done this and so they just decided to like let's just take a chance and it became this enormous success MH cuz everybody was under best of enemies right it's really fantastic it's a great documentary and you know William F Buckley is kind of this stuff shirt kind of douchy right-wing guy with a pretty good vocabulary and gval who is brilliant but a weirdo man he wrote that nutty book about a transgender woman who like Raquel Welch played in the movie It's the craziest book that he turned into a movie it's a really nutty movie about like a guy becomes a woman and she's really hot and then becomes a man again and it's like there's a lot of sex in the movie like it's it's like a perverted bizarre Twisted movie sounds very Progressive John it was it was it was so Progressive that nobody understood what the [ __ ] he was doing like he was so far ahead of his time but you know that was was the left back then you could you know you were kind of free to talk about anything but this is a thing that is
fascinating about that Scottish Bill Myra Breen Ridge I bought it on DVD I'm not surprised you can't you can't stream it anywhere Raquel wellsh first of all the idea that any man could ever look like Raquel Welsh like shut the [ __ ] up unless she's in Thailand this is not the picture was controversial for sexual explicitness including acts like female on male rape but it unlike the novel received little to no critical praise and has been cited as one of the worst fil in subsequent decades the film has developed a cult following it's a crazy movie yeah it's it's so interesting like the the way that we you know things were seeded at one point in culture and now they become mainstream I was uh I was at the gym and then the the words uh the the the song Lola by The Kinks game on yeah transgender song yeah I'm not dumb but I can't understand why she walks like a woman and talks like a man Lola yeah yeah it's a great [ __ ] song yeah yeah and then you listen to it and you go this is really Progressive and then it ends with um I know what she is she's a man so and then I'm like well you'd get cancelled for this bit now bro you know the craziest song the craziest song is brown sugar oh yeah Rolling Stone doesn't even play brown sugar anymore I went to see them in concert and they they said they would not play I mean they had already said it in interviews it's like it's too controversial a song and then I saw the lyrics like I had only heard the song I never like read the lyrics and so you know when mcj singing It's hard to understand what the [ __ ] he's saying you know cuz it's like he's singing like he's making sounds out of the words that's are pleasing more than he's communicating like really clearly pull up the lyrics to Brown Sugar wait till you read this have you read it I I remember some lines but not the full thing let's see this bro this this one is like yo I saw an interview with Keith Richards where they were like where the where the person said to him and maybe this was Keith Richards [ __ ] about with the journalist where the journalist went so you know obviously Brown Sugar's about heroin and Keith Richards went no bro it's about sleeping with black women and he went okay let's change the subject not just black was slaves Gold Coast
slav ship Bound for cotton fields sold in the market down in New Orleans scarred old slaver knows he's doing all right hear him whip the women just around midnight brown sugar how come you taste so good brown sugar just like a young girl should drums beating cold English blood runs hot lady of the house wondering when it's going to stop house boy knows that he's doing all right you should have heard him just around midnight brown sugar brown sugar oh I get it oh get it on brown sugar how come you taste so good baby okay just like a black girl should now I bet your mama was a tent show Queen and all her boyfriends were sweet 16 I'm no school boy but I know what I like you should have heard me just around midnight it's a crazy song It's a song called Banger though it's a banger it's a banger the moment it's a fantastic song but imagine if you put that song out today people be like yo oh what the [ __ ] that should get you cancelled like if you did that at a trump rally like if the Rolling Stones came out and did brown sugar at a trump rally if they opened up ladies and Gentlemen The Rolling Stones and they did brown sugar bro but the world has changed so fast yeah my wife and I watched Friends the other day you couldn't make friends now right right you can't we like we used to watch it regular we watched one episode we were like this is this is like it's transphobic it's racist it's a a whole bunch of [ __ ] that's why it's funny well have you ever seen Ace Ventura Pet Detective oh yes holy [ __ ] try watching that again you're like yo you couldn't make this movie at all today so many great comedies there's no [ __ ] way Tropic Thunder gets made today no way it's one of the greatest comedies of all time it's a phenomenal movie you couldn't make it do you think do do you think this is like outright a bad thing or outright a good thing or do you think it's kind of halfway like what do you think of it it's going to force courage right because people obviously want to see those kind of movies it's just someone's going to have to have the courage to make it and if they do have the courage to make it it will get criticized but it'll also be wildly successful right if they really went for it and made a super bad today like a [ __ ] allout crazy comedy it would be
huge people would be so happy so the only people that are reaping the rewards of that desire for Rebellion are Comics we're the only ones comics and podcasters and mostly podcasters are Comics like a lot of them are at least at least the comedy podcasts but that's the thing the there is now a vacuum there is now a vacuum for people to step in because it got to the point particularly with TV comedy in the UK and I remember saying it to comics in a comedy club people's WhatsApp group is now funnier than TV comedy and part of the reason is because if everybody saw your WhatsApp group we'd all be canell right right right especially the ones I have bro but but it's not just you man it's everybody everybody's hiding right everybody's hiding it's talking [ __ ] right this is what's fun about memes like I don't believe the thing in the meme is true but it's funny it's a funny crazy thing to say but why did we get to a point where we just believe that every joke was true that every joke was a statement of fact it's we don't believe it but certain people want to use it because they're words written on paper or words spoken out loud and they want to use it as if it's a real statement just like the analogy I made about Quinton Tarantino movies like it's not really killing anybody in those movies it's like you want to pretend that this thing that this person's doing you could decide it sucks you could decide it's hate you you don't like it it's you know it's not your kind of Comedy it's punching down you can come up with all sorts of reasons why you don't like it but that's like the same kind of reason why you don't like ACDC you know and you like Liz fa like everybody has their own thing that they like and don't like but you can't pretend that it's a statement it's not a statement it's comedy and it's if I swear to God if you see him do it on stage it [ __ ] kills yeah yeah this is why I am excited though man because look at you you just had one of former president presidential candidate by the time of the next election it's going to be everyone's going to be doing podcast there's no getting away from it but what's interesting is uh some happened I'm sure it was a mistake at YouTube where you couldn't search for it I'm sure it was a mistake it way that was on purpose and so if you Googled uh
Rogan Trump they got to Joe they got to Jo get you could only get Clips you couldn't watch the whole episode you couldn't find it yeah and so we reached out to them a couple of times and they fixed it to their credit so now you can find it oh good but so in the meantime Elon was Furious and so Elon contacted Daniel e at Spotify and they put it on X as well so now it's on X the full and so now it has way more views cuz I think on elon's alone what is it on Elon alone cuz Elon posted it and I posted it this morning like right I posted it last night I woke up it was like 6 and a half million views on mine and 8 plus million on his so it's just it's a you can't suppress [ __ ] it doesn't work this is the internet this is 2024 people are going to realize what you're doing if you try to make it so that something can't come up in a search engine because it's too popular first of all if that's not trending you tell me what the [ __ ] is okay so what's it at now 8.6 million on mine and what's it on on elon's because he has a lot more people on his than me so that's just from last night but you you can't [ __ ] suppress [ __ ] anymore like when you're saying that that's why is that not in the trending you have a trending thing what's your trending thing really then if one show has 36 million downloads in two days like that's not trending like what's trending for you Mr Beast like he gets a little more than that but 12 million for Elon so he's at 12 so Milli it hit 20 million in a day just on X and that's just us there's a ton of Clips there's a ton of other accounts that have done it illegally where they've taken the episode the full episode and uploaded it so who knows how many views those have so Joe can I just check why do you say you're you're certain it was just a mistake it's just a mistake mistake I'm being sarcastic oh oh I didn't get that now it was my turn to miss the sarcasm okay it's like there's no way it was a mistake that's too convenient but it could have been like some Rogue engineer you know there's a lot of people that are working behind the scen there's a lot of supressed that is so dumb though but there's a video you could watch the video of uh people searching for it find it it wasn't showing up you couldn't find I couldn't find it I couldn't find it and then it
got to the point where you could you only had to write you had to write Rogan they fixed it a little where you write Joe Rogan Trump interview and then it would come up but if you just wrote Rogan Trump only you get the the clips do you think it kind of worked for the hunter Biden laptop Story the work what they did and their tactics around it now obviously it came out later and it was a big Scandal but at the time it kind of worked do you think they might have thought well you know it kind of worked for this therefore we we should try it for this I think they're desperate cuz they had no idea it was going to be that popular and it's a runaway train and they hate it cuz ideologically they're opposed to the idea of him being more popular it's just like what we were talking about before the leftwing being in control of these these massive media distribution companies like YouTube or like Facebook they they're massive companies they have so much influence on everything and they didn't like that this one was slipping away and so they they did something and Jamie showed me like the image of the interactions like when it when they did that it dropped off a cliff because people couldn't find it so they just gave up or they just watched the clips so you see like how much downloads it's getting and then it just what about that claim about the reporting taking it down what's that yeah that could be it too right they were saying you Mass report something enough so what was the actual claim like somebody posted I said sent it to you right basically what you're about to say if you Mass report something enough it might have just taken it out of the search because it wasn't like they didn't delete the video from our Channel or anything right so that could find it in the search that could be it but that's also the same thing right cuz it's people that are on the left that are mass reporting something to try to silence it rather than just letting people do it so maybe it's not the company itself but it's the people that are attached to the ideology that the company follows and they think that you should be able to do something about a conversation like that but it's so stupid Joe it's so ridiculous because I I look at that and I go like you said all you're going to do is you're going
to bring more ibles to it because everyone's going to think hang on they they they what they well I'm definitely going to watch it now so I just don't understand and this is me being a little bit naive and whatever else and go why not for the Democrat Party why don't you do this I know it's going to blow everyone's mind why don't you get the best possible candidate that you can and just go in on Trump he's got that's why this election is so dangerous the reason why this election is so dangerous is we've accepted that some someone could be the representative without going through a primary so because we had to get rid of Joe Biden and everybody kind of agreed after the debate like oh my God he's literally falling apart and they decided not to have a primary and so once they do that then then you have the whole machine behind it because there's a desperate attempt to redefine who this person is in front of everybody's eyes this person that everybody thought like uses word solid and all of a sudden now they're the number one person this is the this is our Our Savior Barack Obama's behind her everybody's behind her like it has to happen like that and that's kind of crazy because they don't have much time and they're kind of manufacturing a thing so like they're going to try everything it's like a Desperado time this is part of the problem with right now I would have thought they would have learned that lesson the last election cuz they tried this [ __ ] and it backfired massively that's why Zuckerberg is now stepping back from it I don't know if you saw Jeff article in the Washington Post did it feels to me like at least among those guys The Tide is turning man they don't seem to be Keen to interfere in anything like the way that they did before and also as well just a final point it's not like the Dems don't have form for this as well look what they did to Bernie in 2016 right so you just go what again and again and again you're going to do it how are people going to have faith in your party yeah but people don't look at that isn't that wild they don't look at the idea that they Bernie was getting too popular and that was the first experience that I really had with like getting attacked by the mainstream news like CNN was uh saying that Bernie was
on my show that my show was uh sexist and racist or whatever the [ __ ] it was and you know that Bernie was doing a terrible thing by coming on my show and that was when I I saw I was like oh they're trying to get rid of Bernie like this is really interesting like why are they turn like you get the most popular podcast in the country why wouldn't he want to express his ideas uh out to the world because they didn't want him and he was appealing after that kind of a conversation and you're like oh so you're just going to take a fraction of a penny off of speculative trades and you'll be able to fund all these things like education and really can you really do that and I was like okay tell me what you can do like you you've been around this [ __ ] Rodeo for a long ass time maybe this guy's got a way of looking at things that is uh maybe it's maybe it'll work and then I saw the machine and then they got him out of the primaries I was like whoa this is kind of crazy and they're willing to do that they did it with RFK like they they would not let him have it primary they wouldn't allow him to compete against Joe Biden no [ __ ] way they they had one guy and that was Joe Biden until it wasn't and then when it wasn't it was like okay Comm you got to be it and then they just went hard pushing her through and it worked really good until some of these interviews right cuz that those interview things are just a super unnatural way to talk you know you have live cameras in front of you and all these people and already she's got to be aware of how many people are hating on her she has to be aware she has to be aware of how many people don't think she deserves a spot she just got in Joe can I ask you something who is the they right this is the thing I'm genuinely wondering who is the they that's trying to get Bernie not to run who's well first of all it's the DNC clearly if you read Donna Rice's book there's got to be like one guy or one g at the top of that right I don't think so I think there's an organization I think you know you got your Nancy Pelosi and all the people that are in power and one thing to consider if you're you're thinking about like well why would they want KY Harris over anybody else because first of all
everybody who works in the administration right now is in the Biden Harris Administration they would like to keep those jobs m well I'd like to keep this job what do I have to do to keep this job and those are essentially the people that are running the show because she's busy and he's not there so like those people want to keep their job so that's what you're experiencing right now but man you know sorry Francis just to finish something like it sounds like a TR and rather obvious thing to say but you're running to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world right you got to be able to [ __ ] talk man [Music] yes yes well if a we don't say this cuz it's so [ __ ] obvious but but you got to be able to communicate well that's why we have primaries right that's what P because being a leader is a little bit more than having qualifications right it's being able to execute in real time under pressure that's what those debates are all about it's not just about like who's got the better ideas you could have them both write an article and find out who's got the better ideas it's about seeing them kind of perform under pressure and respond under pressure we want to see how you handle the cooker that's why we like those crowds you know when you do those debates in front of crowds it's a bigger cooker you know we we're trying to figure out whether or not you can handle it and by having no primary and having her just go right through and then keeping RFK Jr away from Biden even before that like this does not give a lot of people faith that you are following the ideals that this country was founded on and if you're just you're going on your own way just because you want to win okay you've kind of taken over this system and subverted it you've changed it well let's say you get elected though you're going to be sitting across from Xi Jinping yeah and Vladimir Putin right if you can't [ __ ] talk right how's that going to go well good thing they don't speak English they can take what she said and make it sound brilliant even less sense translat believe me you know they're not worried at all but also they've been doing that job for how long how long has Putin been in charge of Russia how many
years now since 1999 25 years okay 25 years being a leader of Russia and xien ping controls China with an Iron Fist and he's been doing that for how long right I don't know but a long time a long time so you have people that that's it's one of the vulnerabilities of American politics is its strength and one of the strengths is that you don't have someone who stays in and just keeps running things that becomes a dictator you have to get out of there after eight years at most the bad part about it is every four [ __ ] years we have someone who's new doing the hardest job in the world that's they've never done it before like even Trump said like at the beginning of his term he did not know how to appoint people he didn't know who to trust and he trusted a bunch of people he shouldn't have trusted and he put a bunch of people in there that he shouldn't have put in so four years of that he got a handle on it and now he has a completely different perspective why because he did the job already cuz he's he's already been in there running it like he knows oh kind of he's a businessman it's like I see why this is [ __ ] up and I need to get smarter people in here and so what does he do he he he talks to chth about being the head of the FDA he talks to Elon about coming up with some government efficiency agency he talks to RFK about taking care of healthcare he's like delegating to people that are very good at it now and like some these people that could actually impart a real change not like a sort of [ __ ] a fugazy change where you just like put on a different mask no a real change of the system and that's one of the reasons why the resistance against it is so hard cuz so many people are going to be out of work and you know what I found really interesting looking at the Democrats with you look back at the Bernie 2016 thing they didn't appoint Bernie they appointed their person Hillary right Trump took a lot of Bernie's talking points and went on and won the election and you and because it spoke to the average American and they the average American felt no connection with Hillary whatsoever so you're actually going if you had just got and been Fair Bernie might actually have won he might actually have won because he had cut through with the average American but they didn't want that they
appointed their person and then they ended up losing and then they had a tantrum and said it was russer interference and all the rest of it no it was you you stopped the the person who actually could have won the election for you who could have cut through to the average American you didn't want that and you screwed it up for yourself and then you had a tantrum at the end of it blaming everyone and then there was also the polls right the polls had her winning like by a huge margin I think on Election night it was like a 90% chance she was going to be the president something crazy so for him to show that the polls were [ __ ] that it's good in a way but it's also like now they're going to tighten things down significantly if the same sort of apparatus that would keep a guy like Bernie Sanders out or a guy like Robert F Kennedy Jr out they're not playing fair this they're not interested in playing Fair they're interested in winning is whatever the [ __ ] it takes to get through this thing and win they want to keep their jobs it's just it's like they're they're engaging in corporate Warfare it's like or legal Fair it's like they're use they're weaponizing the justice system to go after their opponent they're doing everything they can all of the things what's your sense of how it's going to go I have zero idea zero idea I do not like that the people are suing to make sure that voter ID isn't required people are suing to stop people from using ID to vote that's the only reason why you would do that is you want people to vote that shouldn't be voting that's the only reason that doesn't make any sense you know we've been here a week now I've had to show ID to get into a bar to rent a car to rent a hotel room like yeah it's just ridiculous everyone has [ __ ] ID but they're saying it's racist to require ID it's so crazy or it's bad for poor rural Americans to to require ID that's crazy they have cars they everyone has a car I saw data on the internet it might be wrong but it's it's showed that ethnic minorities actually have a higher support for ID for voting than than white probably because they went through it to get a [ __ ] ID right right ethnic minorities went through it became American citizens actually got the legal right to vote they're proud of it and
they're like hey do what I did don't just cheat you know guys are cheating seems like a reasonable Point that's so reasonable but anybody who would say that that's not reasonable only wants to win right you know I'm pretty left of center for the most part and I I see that I'm like that's crazy you can't that doesn't make any sense sense at all you can't say people don't need IDs because it's racist or it's whatever it is it's you know classist and and the thing is they talk about classes right and as some like I I used to work when I was teaching I used to work in a lot of deprived communities really really like people were struggling like if people made it to the end of the week with food on the table and they paid their bills that was a win that was an absolute win and having worked in those communities those people are more anti- illegal immigration than the inverted commers Elites because illegal immigration brings down their wages it brings down it brings down their ability to earn it means that the jobs that they do get obliterated and they can no longer afford to feed their families it's basic economics so this idea that oh you know immigration is a right-wing issue it's [ __ ] immigration is actually a left-wing issue and you look at all staunch what you would consider to be old school lefties they are all no we need to control immigration to protect the rights and wages of workers it's why when we had brexit in our country people said oh it's rightwing it it wasn't that I know so many blue color guys who voted brexit they weren't racist they want any of those things but as one of them explained to me he was like look Francis I got no problem with immigration but at this point it just feels like my wages are getting lower and lower and lower I got a kid on the way I can't afford to live on this and and to to then smear that person is right wing it's it's it's obscene it it's also you're giving power to the people that take advantage of these illegal immigrants air quotes because they can get those people to work for less money so you're empowering bad people to use cheap illegal labor and that that becomes a problem because they'd use it all the time especially there's no inspections I mean how many different plants have been busted across
the country using illegal aliens it happens all the time construction sites happens all the time in fact Tim Dylan said that that was one of the um he believes one of the motivations of having the border so porous he thinks it's to get cheap labor cuz it's hard to get cheap labor and so if you're working a construction site and you got a bunch of illegals working for you they they have no rights you know they can work for a fraction of the minimum wage and it's way more money than they were getting when they were in Mexico and then you're putting them up in a house they all live together they're P pickled Peach they're [ __ ] happy as [ __ ] they they they're they can't believe they're in America and they're actually making money and there's a a road to at least some level of prosperity that exists here so they'll work for less money so you're empowering scumbags to pay people below you know standard wages and then you're crippling all the people that are the workers who don't have any say who are healed legally who are you know H they demand they know what they're supposed to get they demand Fair wages and health insurance and all the things that you should get employees yeah and it's also as well look mom's my mom's Venezuelan so and I I've got family in this country I know a lot of Venezuelan people in this country and then I see what illegal Venezuelans are doing like El araga that gang I like how you roll your cars and pretty I always make fun of him for that you know I'm just just trying I'm Latino yeah did a good job I need to do it otherwise No One Believes Me Joe but um you know I can tell you this for a fact every single Venezuelan who came here legally works hard went through the Hoops to escape Venezuela to create a better life for themselves and their family are utterly mortified and horrified at the actions of those criminals and what is happening in this country because not only is it terrible for the victims but it also reflects badly on us like you now go on Venezuelan and people think oh what like that criminal gang well it's also weird that it's taking place in what they call a sanctuary city where the cops are kind of they're handcuffed as to what they can do with these people and one of the weirdest ones was someone was having a conversation with this woman where they
were talking about these gangs I forget who it was might have been JD Vance I forget who it was but the woman was saying that it's only a couple of apartment complexes that have been taken over who was that with I think it was J Vines but yeah and he was like do you hear yourself right in the United States of America armed gangs from Venezuela have taken over a couple of apartment buildings in your city and you think it's not a big deal you you're trying to minimize that how crazy that is that illegal aliens who came across who are armed to the tits or part of a dangerous enormous organized gang have taken over apartment buildings and are extorting all the people that live there and you don't think that's a problem that's wild and if you say that they go that's a right-wing Talking part what are we [ __ ] talking about what are we talking about what if your mom lives in that building like what are you talking about that's crazy you you're you're saying crazy things it doesn't make any sense it doesn't and you know I we were in La last year uh and because I have a Russian name you know all the LIF and Uber drivers in La they're all Armenian right so they they all speak Russian they recognize my name so they talk to me in Russian the the guys who came in the '90s they all came legally they got their documentation everything one guy was telling me he smuggled his 83 year-old father who's disabled in a wheelchair through the southern B like all the guys that are coming now are coming through the southern border they're not getting documentation why would you bother why would you bother and and that you can't Americans are the most pro-immigration people that I've ever seen but I also think when you have high levels of illegal immigration that undermines people's confidence in the entire system and the worst thing is it doesn't make any logical sense can anyone explain to you why it is beneficial to America to have an open border what is the benefit to Americans 84% of Americans don't agree with it well no [ __ ] I think it's a large number of Americans don't agree with it and yet it's happening and the the real fear is that it's being used to buy votes right that's the real fear do you believe that though I it's a great strategy if I wanted to buy votes I mean if I was a
sociopath right which is what a corporation really is right is a psychopath How Do They isn't that there's a great book about that right yeah defining a corporation as a psychopath and is as we talked about before this need to constantly grow and this this uh obligation to your shareholders do whatever it takes to make the most amount of money if you were a corporation you wanted to control the whole country what would you do well I would incentivize people to vote one way and I would move them in and make their life way better than it ever was before and then let them in and the other side saying we're going to deport you well then the other side's definitely not who you're going to vote for so now all I have to do is let you vote so I can can either let you vote by telling you how you don't need ID just go ahead and vote I can do it by offering amnesty to a certain amount of people and then there's this thing that they keep saying that these people are here legally but the way they're here legally is a new thing and this new thing that they started doing during covid is they use this shipping app to schedule amnesty meetings now so they allow you to get into the country with this app that was really only for shipping pull that app up again Jamie so this app was originally used so like say if you came here from you know England or whatever and you wanted to sell some stuff you you could be here for a while while you're you're shipping and bringing your stuff over this is like a way that you could register so they know where you are and then you could leave so now they changed it during covid and made it so this app now allows you to schedule an entrance into the country so you don't have to have there's no vetting there's no checking on you there's no who you are but through this app you could schedule time they they'll compensate you they put you up they bring you to places so this is this US Customs Border Protection app um so it's uh cbp1 mobile passport control MPC and my CBP so was launched in October 2020 cbp1 is a free app that provides access to a variety of CBP Services it uses guided questions to help users find the right services forms or applications cbp1 was originally used to help commercial trucking companies
schedule car cargo inspections in 2023 the app was expanded to allow unauthorized migrants to request Asylum and book appointments at the US Mexico border but that's good you want people to book an asylum appointment and so that you could make sure whether they're legitimate claimants or not that's a good thing right the problem is when people are allowed in and they don't have a good case right because America would let some people in who claim Asylum I think the American people are very generous I wonder how many people they deny that try to use that app that's a different question the real question is why are so many of them showing up in swing States that's the real it's like that seems a little suspect if you're moving people to swing States and then you have people like Nancy Pelosi and I I forget who else it was they were making the argument that we need immigrants because Americans are not having enough babies you know this is elon's argument he's made this population collapse argument which doesn't seem right to people cuz they're stuck in traffic but it is right if you really pay attention to the amount of people that are actually having children and what it's going to be like in the future South Korea apparently is a gigantic disaster Japan Japan as well we had this guy Steven sha on the show to talk about he did a great documentary about it he went all around the world looking at population uh Decline and it is a real [ __ ] problem it's a real problem it's a real problem and so their their argument and this is a I think it's a [ __ ] argument it's like we're letting these people in because Americans aren't having any babies like oh you just figured that out yeah but this is see s States this is this is such [ __ ] though because America has a legal immigration system you could have billions of people coming to the United States legally if you needed babies there's a cue of a billion people who would come to America legally if you let them right that is not an argument for legal immigration how much can you learn about someone in a short period of time when they're coming to the Border because like there's those numbers of like I think it's over the last 10 years how many murders have come through how
many rapists have come through it's like it's staggering numbers right and then there's the unreported one on a lot of these gang members they snuck in the coast is wide open the coast is weird you know you could you could be in a boat and beat yourself in San Diego and no one knows what the [ __ ] to do and then you jump out you're in a van there's a lot of that stuff goes on so it's like how many people are actually getting in that aren't reported that's the real question and they know that they've caught people that are on the terrorist watch list they know they've caught people at the border that absolutely are up to no good so it's like how many people didn't they catch how many people snuck through how how how much in danger are we because of that how much of an October 7th type attack could happen in the United States because of that to say no percentage is crazy so to say that it's possible means that you've been deric in your duty you haven't saved us from the potential of us being invaded like and and it's it's also as well then what you are naturally going to get if that is a concern a major concern for the average working person you were going to get a politician who is going to address those those concerns and is going to make it front and center of their campaign of course of course they are because that is politics and that's how it works and that's a good thing you need those people to address the concerns of ordinary people but then they come in and then they start going this is a Nazi rally this is so and you're just going oh not only do you not want to have the conversation not only do you want to justify your ideas you want to bully smear and harass those people with perfectly legitimate concerns in order to shut them up so what you're going to get is what happens when someone has a very real concern about something and you smear them and you you call them horrendous names those concerns aren't going to go anywhere they're going to get really angry they're going to fester and eventually it will turn into something nasty yes and so by doing this and continually ratcheting up the it's like a pressure cooker continually ratcheting up the pressure eventually it's going to boil over and I look at them and I think to myself do you know
the forces that you are messing with do you understand what you're doing because eventually this is going to turn nasty and I really don't want it to I I hope it doesn't but you can only do this play so many times before people go you know what you're going to do that [ __ ] you and this is what I'm going to going to do yeah and they they run the risk of that in aora Colorado they really do they run the risk of that with these gangs taking over apartment buildings and them not stopping it all of it's very scary because that's what everyone's worried about what everyone's worried is that our level of crime is going to rise up because you're bringing people from crime ridden areas that have criminal backgrounds and you're letting them in without vetting them and you're going to increase the crime and you're going to increase organized crime and cartel crime that scares the [ __ ] out of people and it should and you can't let that in just cuz you want to win you can't let that in as a side effect of this goal that you have to bring in these people that are probably wonderful people that just want a better life and they they take this crazy Journey where they walk on foot across the country hey I would do it too I would 100% do it too and I think you would as well if you were living in those countries and the Red Cross gave you a map and said this is what you got to do you got to make it up here and go to these people to give you a cell phone like okay you would do it why wouldn't you do it if they know you're going to get let in and then you get money and food stamps and they'll put you up at a house what of course you do it and then you have like these places like New York City where these enormous luxury hotels are completely occupied with immigrants what was that movie that that luxury hotel was in there's like a famous movie is it the Jennifer Lopez movie made in Manhattan is that the movie where they have those people hold up find out that's it but it's like a famous luxury hotel and they just and then all the poor people in America are like hey [ __ ] what what about us what about us what about the veterans what about homeless people what about all these people that are down in their luck what about all these people that are single moms all these people that have
no money what about them well this is the question I'd be asking if you you you mentioned 84% of Americans are concerned about this if I was a Democrat that's what I'd be ask Roosevelt Hotel wow that is crazy the Roosevelt Hotel is a famous hotel in look how beautiful it is on the inside it was just over a year ago when the Roosevelt H Hotel and became the oneop so this entire Hotel so if you're a hotel guy right and uh homelands whoever it is that runs this program comes along and says hey we'll fully occupy your hotel 247 will give you x amount of money you know maybe it's more money than you would get if you were at full occupation like you're like Okay sounds like a great deal and so now you have housing for all these people and then the people that are living here are very upset and they they should be you see it all the time like people in Chicago are [ __ ] fed up man they're like we've been trying to solve the the crime and the poverty problem here forever City would not say how much it cost to keep the facility running every day but immigrant Affairs commissioner Manuel Castro emphasized how the cost should be coming from the federal government we hope that the federal government does more in support of Asylum Seekers okay it's like what you said the federal government is giving money to Hotel owners and so everybody's happy yeah everybody's happy except the people of America well except the people that have to deal with the problems that come along with allowing people in that aren't vetted you know especially people that come from a place where it's violent you know and and crime is rampant and normal well this is this is what I was going to say is like if I were one of those Democrats who secretly harbored these concerns the question I'd be asking is why isn't my party dealing with this right why why if if all of America basically agrees this is a problem why is it a party political issue why isn't a thing that both parties agree on by the way as they used to right all the major Democrat figures 20 years ago I had I had the whole chapter in my book about it they all used to say exactly what Donald Trump is saying now yeah yeah they do and
especially Barack Obama you know he talked very Clinton Obama Pelosi Schumer they all talked about the importance of a secure safe border right that it's always been an issue because you want to protect American citizens it's not racist right like I'm all for immigration I just think maybe we need to spend more money on letting people in Legally but how do you vet those folks that's the real question like how much paperwork do they have how much of a it's pretty thorough man like Francis and I have had to apply for Vis but you guys did it legally the right way that's what I'm saying but they look everywhere man like every Cav is [ __ ] examined you know I mean coming through but even people coming through I mean if they're coming through the wrong way and you want to vet them how can you even you can you can of I don't think it's beyond the the the the American system but if you're from uh a third world country yeah with very little paperwork like what how do they do that interviews I would guess they try and find out where you lived like you oh my God how much resources would that require yeah but compare that to how much resources requires to host people in a five [ __ ] and star [ __ ] hotel yeah very good point right you could be talking to those people the entire time so where are you from Bob what' you do over those scars America would save a lot of money if it put a lot more money into finding out who's coming here making sure people have a legitimate claim they've applied legally and then you're spending the money where it's supposed to be spent and then you've got a safe [ __ ] country yeah and then and this is a really important point when people go because they you know they do the you know the the the argument about look we have to let these people in you're letting people Smugglers flourish you're letting sex traffic flourish how many of those poor women and kids are getting brought over and basically being turned into a sex slave there's no they've got no identity they've got no rights how many of them have are now in this country no one knows it's not zero no it's not zero it's it's a real concern and that's not something that's being brought up instead they're bringing up Tony Hench Cliff's joke right right because this is
an inconvenient political issue that is very dangerous the Republicans harp on it the Democrats ignore it and minimize it it's a it's a giant issue the human smuggling thing is a giant issue they there's something like 300,000 kids that are missing that came across the border they have no idea where they are there's so many people I mean what is the number over the last four years that have come across illegally I mean what what's even the estimate what's the estimated number of uh Crossings it's the highest ever that's ever been in modern history I think under Biden has been around 10 million total from what I've read but Jame I'm sure we'll check us on that that is um five Austin yeah I mean yeah and what effect is that having on society because also there's a law of unintended consequences what's going to be the effect not only now but five years down the line 10 years down the line 20 years down the line do they have jobs for these people yeah here's here's the thing well they do for like $2 an hour yeah yeah right but here's the thing like if there was more American manufacturing and this is one of the things that Trump really wants to pursue is incentivizing American manufacturing and T putting tariffs on things that are brought in from overseas if there's more man American manufacturing first of all one of the things that was exposed during covid it was a big one was how much we rely on stuff that comes from other countries you know especially medications a lot of it was coming from China and there's a lot of equipment a lot of things got stuck so here it is what's the number it say the number 11 million since 2019 I think 11 million also like not blaming but saying a lot has to do with in uh 2023 the end of title 42 where they couldn't expel people for Co related reasons anymore and then that kind of how many people they tested for Co they coming across the Rio Grand River with a backpack right shut the [ __ ] up the one thing I wish the right did better on this though is to talk in more Humane terms about it it's always there is a kind of like these [ __ ] illegals right right right we would all do what they're doing we would yeah and the way they talk about it they're you know like Trump trump did that too they're eating the dogs they're
eating the cats also a lot of them are very hard workers if you talk to Springfield Ohio one of the things that these people that employ some of these people are saying is they're so thankful that they have this opportunity there Haitians are just like everybody else man they're just [ __ ] people that want to do better and a lot of these people that hire these folks are saying they're super hard workers they're doing jobs that nobody wants they're very thankful for it it's an opportunity for them and then also you have bad people right just like all groups of people that come from war torn [ __ ] up places and they come over here you're going to have good ones and bad ones I'm just saying I just wish that a which is perfect like what you're saying Francis this is the point you made very well is like you just wish that ey was directed at the people who are allowing this to happen instead of the people who who are coming because that's not going to make things better what we need is we need to vet people but also we need protections to make sure that people aren't being forced to work for inhumane wages and if we start doing that in America well how we're no different than foxcon in China with the [ __ ] suicide Nets around the building we're allowing people to take advantage of people that have no hope and that's that's not the we one of the great things about American manufacturing if you have a plant in America and you have regulations in terms of like what they're supposed to be paid and health care and the amount of hours they work you can ensure that you don't have to feel bad about buying a thing from those people like if you buy uh whatever you know something that you know is made in America for sure like if you buy a Ford truck that's made in Ohio wherever they make them hopefully it's made in America so then way you don't have to feel bad that like that's what's going on with all these people coming across here ironically they moved so many jobs and so many things over to Mexico to get people to work for almost nothing so that these [ __ ] corporations can make a little bit more money and we allowed that to happen and when we allowed that to happen they killed American manufacturing they killed it that's that Roger and Me movie The Have You Ever
Seen Michael mois documentary on about Flint Michigan it's a great documentary but they just pulled out of of Michigan where they were making all the cars and then these people have nothing right they were check to check while they were working there and then instant extreme poverty it's a horrifying documentary and then what these people don't realize is the effects that has on the community not only the poverty element of it but work brings dignity Joe it brings purpose it doesn't matter like you know the level of job that you have but if you're going out particularly for men and you're doing a job maybe you hate it but you know what you're earning enough money you can feed your kids you can feed your family you go I'm doing my job as a man yes I am doing what I am meant to do when you take those jobs which a lot of like for instance in in our country in the UK a lot of these these places were built around the factory the plant they were the literal Hub of the community and then you had bars and cafes and restaurants around that when you take that out of a community you are ripping the literal soul out of it and all of a sudden these people who once had purpose and dignity have got nothing and and it doesn't matter even if you give them money and you go look here's your benefits nobody wants that nobody wants a life that's aimless nobody wants a life where you are dependent on handouts this is what scares me about the future really because of AI what what scares me about the future and Andrew Yang was really the first guy to bring this up he was talking about Automation and I think that Automation and AI they built a whole Road in China in like a very short period of time just using roads or using robots rather and AI have you did you see that I didn't know they're much more advanced than we are with the Drone technology like You' seen some of the light show drone shows that they do in China they're unbelievable unbelievable like dragons moving across the sky it's incredible all these drones moving in synchronicity they're all coordinated by Ai and computers and they're flying together like showing making objects in the sky it's beautiful so their AI technology and their drone technology and their automation has already allowed them this
was a resurfacing project it says here it is so this is no humans man this is all robots and they did this [ __ ] in record time they they did the whole Road like if you're a guy who this is your livelihood you should be [ __ ] terrified and that was the the source of this uh recent um this this recent thing that was going on with the long shoreman's Union right because the long shoreman were going to go on strike and they're like hey we're going to get [ __ ] replaced we know what's going on here we want some Protections in place CU they see what's happening in other countries I think it's is it Singapore that has a completely automated system for removing cargo and you watch it and it works 24 hours a day you don't have to pay it it doesn't have kids no injuries no injuries and it's and it's really good they're [ __ ] super effective and they're going to get more effective so you have less mistakes you don't you you completely eliminate human error you know and then once they iron the systems out they get them even better and better and more robust you're you're going to have no need for so many people that are working so what do you do you give them Universal basic income you tell them find something that gives you purpose like oh Christ at the same time they have ai goggles and [ __ ] [ __ ] they're watching virtual reality all day and they're not even living in the world anymore you just getting a check from the government and free food and an AI girlfriend and an AI girlfriend that makes plus points I mean it could get really [ __ ] strange in this country in a short amount of time and but you talk to these people right you talk to Elon what is you say about stuff like that they all think it's inevitable I think they're all right I don't think you could stop it unless something disastrous happens like a nuclear war or some sort of a horrific natural disaster that kills the grid we are probably just a a decade away from an unrecognizable World 2014 is not that different than 2024 it's kind of real similar cars look the same he still had an iPhone it's like not that you still had a laptop like how much is different your internet's a little faster how much is different not that much 2024 to 2034 is
going to be [ __ ] bananas we could see a complete upheaval of society if you have one party that's completely in control of the political process and there's you know like there's no room for a third party now because they've kind of boxed out the third party there's Libertarians but like good luck good luck I voted for a couple of them good luck they can't win right it maybe it could get to that point where Republic an can't win that could be real and then the Democrats are going to act just like all tyrants all groups of people that have massive control over everything they don't want to relinquish some control for the for the sake of democracy shut the [ __ ] up the only people that have ever did that were the Greeks and they were on drugs they were they were doing acid and they said hey everybody should have a vote you know and if you have a populace that is basically just dependent on handouts what you've got is a doo defeated population yes depend they're dependent on you for survival they're dependent on you for survival so it's not even in their interest to challenge you it's completely outside their interest there's they have no leverage they have no [ __ ] you money so so you know what are they going to do the thing that the thing that worries me is I was I was reading about the driving jobs and how many driving jobs there are in this country and driving it's still a very very well-paid job in this country if you're a lorry driver you you you earn a really good salary in this country and that's great that is brilliant but the moment automated driving comes in like that's a whole sway that mainly men who have got nowhere to go it's a very good point it's millions of jobs so they think it's inevitable huh yeah they think it's inevitable yeah I agree with them I don't know how we adjust to that you know human beings have had to make some major adjustments over the course of human history right moving into cities dealing with mechanized things like cars trucks and trains these are just massive adjustments that we had to make but I don't think any of them are like this one yeah this is the Industrial Revolution on steroids yeah it's like and it's also coming at the same time as transhumanism it's coming at the same time as uh this potential
integration with artificial intelligence that we're experiencing augmented goggles which is like the tip of the spear and then you're going to eventually get chips you know once once things like neurolink and there's a few other competing programs once they develop something that enhances human productivity enhances your mental capacity your ability to perform maybe physical capacity you know they're they're going to be able to do things in our lifetime that are going to make being a regular human seems stupid just like being naked in the cold seems stupid like why would you be naked you could just be warm you [ __ ] idiot like out there freezing when you get have a nice down jacket on you [ __ ] [ __ ] and that's what it's going to be like cognitively like why would you want to be depressed when you can have Clarity and Enlightenment and you you could have instantaneous access to the wireless grid as long as you don't have bad thinking as long as you don't do anything that we don't like as long as we don't have to shut you off well there is a book about this you know right yeah it seems have some s and chill the [ __ ] out bro that book when you read it like especially cuz I read it in high school I think which was already 1984 so it's like oh this is [ __ ] it's like space 1999 it didn't really work out that way you know there was a TV show about people living in space in 1999 because that's what they thought so in the 80s when when when did Orwell write that book uh it would I mean it would have been I think it came no he cuz he was in a sanatorium at no he was he was dying of consumption TB at the time I think it was 46 it came out he wrote it while he was dying yeah he wrote it that's why it was kind of dark man 1949 oh 49 it came writes it right after the fascism of Nazi Germany and all that stuff and Stalin yeah and Stalin yeah and so he writes this book and it just seems ludicrous at the time but now it's like a prophecy yeah and especially the wrong think stuff like that is wild you know just going just touching on the AI thing what's interesting about AI is it's also obliterating middle class jobs yes middle class jobs like graphic designer pretty soon that's going to be not just middle class but all the coders yeah all the coders all the coders are
going to be gone you're going to look at the law accountancy why are you going to employ an accountant when you've got an AI to do all your books yeah you just feed it into the algorithm it will sort it all through boom my fear is that it's going to get to a point where why don't we use a for government and have a really objective government that's that doesn't have greed or lust or desire or the need for power ego or to be to be validated you know it doesn't need any of those things it doesn't ever tweet out I hate Taylor Swift it just it just [ __ ] runs everything with the objective is to make the world better and the objective the objective is equal allocation of resources particularly like natural resources that are really all of ours why should we have these corporations that control all the oil when the oil is in the ground the ground belongs to the humans why should anybody have an unbelievable amount of influence on everybody else just because they oil out of the ground that seems crazy until it goes Rogue and goes you know what humans do a lot of damage to the planet yeah that's the problem with being objective the real you guys got to get your [ __ ] together we're going to kill you all like it'll have a meeting with us and say hey we need to get the robbery murder rape rate down to zero let's put all the men in prison if we don't we're just going to kill everybody oh man you know it's that's why you you feel that I know and people always hype up elections they always hype up elections Americans you do show business in elections better than anyone I went to that Trump rally it's what like it's one of the greatest shows I've ever seen you must not have watched MSNBC because it's a Nazi rally they show there were so many Israeli Flags there it was unbelievable man yeah there was a lot of Israel Flags Israeli Flags loads of Jews loads of people recognize super hard to call it a Nazi flag with a lot of Israeli Flags it's just so silly this [ __ ] but that's what they're doing they're just trying to win they're trying to win but you you can't you can't the words have [ __ ] meaning Joe they do yeah they're supposed to and for a reason and that word it's supposed to have a very
specific meaning and it's a like it was a kind of a thing where like if someone said that about somebody you'd go like holy [ __ ] I better really make sure this guy isn't that I better really make sure this isn't that it used to be like oh my God that guy's a Nazi like you want to follow him see where he's going to some secret meeting oh my God he's really a Nazi it's so irresponsible it really grinds my gears that [ __ ] man it it's just I know you want to win but this isn't winning this is making the whole thing [ __ ] worse yeah it's not good it's not good and it also is not good for them because all those mainstream media companies all the msnbc's of the world that are doing this kind of [ __ ] you're going to lose more and more credibility like you're already Heming credibility this is the reason why the Washington Post why Jeff Bezos had to make that wrote write that article so we need more representation of conservative voices we we we can't be just endorsing presidents because you all agree to one thing and you want to like educate the world you we're we're not activists we're supposed to be journalists this is the reason why this business is hemorrhaging money and lost amazing amounts of credibility like stunning we've never seen a time where more people have lost faith in mainstream news but here's the and you you talk about this and it's one of the things you talk about and you talk about it brilliantly words have changed their meaning words no longer mean what they what they used to I saw this post from Mark Maron and he it's like he was going for the world record about trying to mention the word fascist every other sentence and I'm going and I'm sure look I'm sure Mark's a decent guy and whatever else but I'm sure if you sat down with Mark and you go Mark what explain to me what fascism is what do you mean by it it's virtue signaling it's signaling to the C to the tribe it's what it is it's the idea and it's also there's a lot of jealousy mark used to be at the top of the Heap he used to have the number one podcast now it's like it's not even the top 200 he was a great guy when he was number one it's a lot of fun he apologizing everybody for being a dick when he was younger oh man got a Nuance is very important it's
very important with human beings and as soon as you like uh conveniently categorize something as fascist and white supremacy I think is another word he likes to use you're being silly and you're ruining your own credibility you're going to get a bunch of people that agree with you yeah right on man but there silly too the we're just a bunch of human beings trying to coexist what we want out of this election is a greater country the country is supposed to be a team that's what it's supposed to be it's the most amazing thing this idea that we're all in this together we collectively we're a tribe of people but we because of our [ __ ] stupid instincts to be on teams we've divided ourselves right down the middle essentially I mean this depending on who whose poll or what you want to read it's kind of like pretty close down the middle and one side thinks the other side is the end of everything and the other side thinks the same yeah it's it's so stupid it's so stupid and it's just we don't have much time human beings live a hundred if you're lucky I'm 57 so I'm three4 of the way dead if I'm lucky if everything goes great why spend any time on nonsense why spend any time just pledging allegiance to your tribe why not just try to have a perspective that will enhance this situation and and let people understand that we're really over our skis we're out of our [ __ ] minds we're we're really like foaming at the mouth here there's there's important things and the important thing is we've got to figure out a way that we don't have a nuclear war we got to figure out a way we make it easier to make a living we have to figure out a way to make it safer for people we have to figure out a way to secure the borders and make sure that we're not letting in terrorists we got to figure out a way to not have terror cells activated because uh it's going to be convenient politically look we got to figure out a way to not have FBI agents inciting people to enter the capital building we got to figure out a way to like there's a lot of [ __ ] we have to figure out collectively as a group and there's also the tragic element of it and people don't talk about this tragic element enough if you think about it we live in an Ever more atomized Society we we hang
out less we see we we we our social groups are getting smaller and smaller that's just a fact of of how society's going think about the people who've lost friends whose relationships broke up marriages broke up over politics yeah there's a guy right now in the UK waking up in a little flat somewhere and he's looking around and he went oh [ __ ] I lost my Rel my marriage I don't see my kids anymore because of brexit it's crazy that's dumb it's not just brexit it's over here it's like if you're married to a trump supporter and you're Harris support and you're fighting over the dinner table that person's the enemy it happens to people all the time or people get red pilled you know and then they sort of like want to leave their ideological group and then the other per person that you're with maybe business partner maybe maybe your lover they hate you now you're the you're part of the enemy and a bunch of people that don't give a [ __ ] about you they don't care about you and you've pledged allegiance to people that don't even know your name they don't even know they don't know thing about you and they're lying on TV every night and you're still all in for them you're making homemade signs running out the door and holding or you putting signs up on your lawn but righteousness is such a drug man like when we were standing in that line in New York there was a guy that walked past and he was like enjoy a [ __ ] Nazi rally to like a family with young kids you're not a good guy you're not a good guy when you're doing that I don't care what your politics is you're not a good guy you're not you feel good when you're shouting that but you're not behaving in the right way it just gives [ __ ] the ability to scream at people cuz they think they're right you know especially if you've already labeled those people Nazis yeah you know enjoy your Nazi rally like you could yell at whatever you want at Nazis you know that was the whole thing back in the day remember punch a Nazi like okay but who gets to determine who the Nazis are like if you're in World War II yeah you have to punch a Nazi but if you're in Brooklyn I bet that guy's not really a Nazi he might just have a tie on like or listen to this podcast yeah he might be listening to this podcast but you
but he might get punched on the subway but you know what I would I would love KLA Harris to come on this podcast that's the podcast I want to see the most in the section but I just I feel like very strongly that if it's going to be done it has to be done like a regular podcast because that's the only way it works only way it works to just sit down and talk with somebody you can't go to some ballroom and some hotel where they control everything and they cameras ready and they want to edit stuff out it's like that's just too weird it's not the same thing like you go to see Co bear you know you go you're on his set you don't ask him to make a set like at the White House like you know you're doing it where he does it totally yeah but that is why I'm still we've had a depressing conversation I'm still excited because that thing you're talking about uh you know Jeff Bezos that's the market working your ratings are tanking no one trusts you no one buys your [ __ ] newspaper okay well who's doing sh right let's have a look around who's successful oh it's this okay maybe we need to do that thing you were talking about G Vidal Buckley maybe we need to actually have a conversation maybe we need to have I'd love for you to have Trump and Harris in here that'd be interesting well that's what I said to him I said what really should be the two of you sit down and have a conversation for as long as it takes right just no no moderator no one there no no not even a moderator not you I don't think I don't think I need to be in the way it would be hilarious just that would be a blood bu how long would it like what do you okay how are you going to fix the economy how are you going to fix the economy like I want to do this that was my idea no time limit no time limit like the UFC back in the day right yeah I mean that would be how you'd really like when you see two people on a panel when they're talking about things and one person really knows what they're talking about it's Bill Mah or whatever when when that happens it's always fascinating to watch someone like way out of their league and they get exposed but that same person could be doing a softball interview and they look like a wizard they look like a genius because they already have their predetermined
answers to questions that have already been presented to them so they prepare and that's essentially what you've been getting a lot with KLA Harris you've been getting a lot of this prepared stuff you know well I was born in a middle class family and she has this thing that she's going to say and you know yeah it's and you know what to me is I I would love to see this but bro it out in society to me the most interesting conversations are when you talk with people who disagree with you who see the world in a different way yes because not that does two things not only do you learn something but number two you find out some of the things you think are [ __ ] yeah and they're wrong and then they go hang on actually that ain't true look at this look at this and you're like oh wow actually you know what you're right so it makes your ideas stronger and you become a more fully rounded human being but that requires good Faith yes that requires good faith those conversations don't happen if both of the people are playing to an audience people have a really hard time with good faith because the problem with good faith is you also have to admit you lost yes right and people get so attached to an idea they say an idea and once they said it that as a part of their [ __ ] DNA they will argue for that they don't want to be wrong they don't want to be wrong even smart people yeah especially smart people I had an argument with a friend of mine once about um divorce and that women get paid more in divorce we were talking about like how the divorce system is kind of [ __ ] because lawyers Prey Upon it in order to jack up their rates and then they turn the couple against each other they have like wait well he said this but that [ __ ] and then next thing you know I want more and then they get what really what's happening is the lawyer's jacking up his rates he's dragging things out and then you know I know guys that have been devastated by divorces and his argument was like Yeah but isn't it fair that the woman gets all the money because women only make 75 cents a dollar for what men make I go do you know that's not true like do you understand what that and he didn't want to believe it he was like no that's not what I go it's they have different jobs and they work different hours that's
where the 75 cents comes from it's not like a guy and a woman work together at the same job they both do the same job and the guy makes a dollar and she makes 75 cents that's not how it works he was like no [ __ ] way I goes yeah and then we looked it up he was like whoa because in his mind it was always the the labor market is unfair because women are getting [ __ ] over because men take advantage of them the way we're talking about them taking advantage of illegal immigrants and making them work for Less no if you were working in a corporation a woman does just as good a job as a man and yet she's willing to work for 75 cents you'd have only women working for you like they just want to make money they don't give a [ __ ] about like all that the Dei [ __ ] that's just how they can make more money like what what I got to do to get a part of this what do I have to do to get grants what do I have to do to get do I get more loans like what do I have to do like that's all that [ __ ] is yeah and it's again the problem is is it makes everything so divisive y because look the vast majority of people the vast majority only care about fairness they want it to be fair or as Fair as possible right and when something is so egregious and so unfair that's where anger takes hold that's where resentment takes hold and that's when people get nasty because they feel that they've been cheated and in some cas they have and they go you know what I'm not going to take part in your game your game's rigged so you know what [ __ ] you [ __ ] your game and this is what I'm going to do and once that happens you don't have conversations you don't have good faith and you don't have any type of solution to the problem yeah and the thing that's going to help out is psychedelics that's why taking Tak it off to schedule one you [ __ ] dumb asses bunch of people that never experienced it it's um there's a lot of Hope in the future and I think one of the big hopes is that these kind of conversations that we have are popular MH yes where that wasn't even a thing 20 years ago it was impossible to get if you were having a conversation about issues there would be this it would be on television it would be approved experts it'd be someone who's an expert from a university or someone who's an expert from a
corporation and they would be talking to you about things or someone from the government they would be they they they had full control of the narrative they don't have that anymore that's what weird and we have it for a small amount of time before AI takes over there's like this brief window where people have access to like real discussions and then AI is going to take over well this is happening though like in the UK there's a the conservative parties having an election now like whoever wins that we'll have them on our show and have a conversation and find out you know what they're all about and by the time of the next election here and in the UK I think this is going to be the primary vehicle if you want to get your message out there this kind ofver well I think they're probably all going to do their own too which would behoove them you know like if someone like let's say someone like ran Paul if Rand Paul decided to make a podcast I bet that'd be pretty [ __ ] popular real popular like look what happened to Tucker Carlson after he left Fox News MH like they fired him from Fox News because they didn't like what he was talking about I don't know what the whole story was I've heard a bunch of different versions of it but the bottom line is he became way bigger like if you thought he was a problem when you had him under control when he was working for a corporation now he can talk about whatever he wants he's got some guy on who said he sucked Obama's dick okay that guy out for like an hour and a half talking about doing blow with Obama and blowing [ __ ] nuts I was like what are you doing like this is crazy but that's the kind of [ __ ] you can do if you don't have any sort of guard rails you don't have any Executives you don't have any producers but the thing that gives me hope Joe is most people they're not going to want that most people what they're going to want but hold up the Obama sucking the guy's dick that guy sucking Obama's dick a lot of people going want that one everybody everybody likes dick yeah I mean that is true can you it is it is uh but um but I I think when people are craving a middle ground people crave that people desire that one of the reasons that you know the BBC is in freef fall at the moment and they're hemorrhaging viewers and listeners and
all the rest of it is because people think that they're biased and they have every right to and but when people talk about the demise of the BBC most people they're not happy about it they're sad because they know that it's that it was a valuable place where people from left and right came together to debate ideas to share ideas and people would listen and make up their own minds people still crave that Joe and that's what gives me hope is that that's what people want you're going to get people who want to listen to you know you know I was in a gang bang with Obama or whatever it was people going to people are going to clip that now and whatever but you know you know you right that's a fringe but the average person is curious and they just want to hear a center ground and they want a source that's interesting and reliable and that's what the BBC used to be yeah you know the BBC is they they put on that atenor documentary where we went to the Congo the the first time they saw chimpanzees eat monkeys remember that like that's atenor that's BBC they the BBC had one of the best documentaries on the Congo I've ever seen in my life it's incredible it's like I used to have it on VHS it's like multi-art multi-art documentary on the Congo they used to do incredible stuff but in America to a lesser extent that that was Vice news like Vice news used to be incredible Vice new news used to do all this really interesting stuff and I had Shane Smith on from Vice news who started it used to be the head of and then he walked away from it and it completely fell apart went woke went broke because he left yeah well he left and then it wasn't just that he left it was also like who were the people that were coming in right there're these young woke kids that are coming in from universities and all of a sudden they had this idea of what they should be doing in journalism and it's journalism SL activism and it just became [ __ ] and nobody paid attention to it anymore and it lost all its money well that's why I always say like people left to [ __ ] on the mainstream media as I to some extent but my my view is we need a mainstream media just not this one well we I think the way to do it is the way it's it's probably going to be independent mainstream media right and and when it
stops being independent people will give up on it and go to a real independent one and unfortunately they'll probably be fake independent ones that are like state sponsored that are trying to make it look like they're real and they're you're going to get a bunch of CIA plants and a bunch of different intelligence agencies are going to infiltrate podcast you're going to have that kind of stuff but that's just like you know that's like the gret and Whitmer kidnapping case when you have 12 different FBI informant and two people that don't know what the [ __ ] is going on and they're these are the people that are coordinating to the kidnapping it's mostly the FBI informants which is just nuts they things get infiltrated you know but it's got to suck to be that Vice guy because you build this thing and it's working and it's great and then not just that he went broke wow I mean not broke broke but right I think he lost a billion wowow yeah maybe more wow you know yeah nuts you know it's but but again I I come back to it which is like it there there is so much potential now there is so much space and if you are one of those journalists and look let's be honest as well we've all got our biases everyone here has got a bi me mate I'm perfectly neutral but everyone's got what they think but if you do and you're open about it people accept that people you know okay you know Joe's you know whatever Joe is I'm whatever you Constantin is whatever he is but they will be far more accepting of that because you are honest you are authentic it's like David Mammoth said words that come from the heart go to the heart and if you were prepared to have that honest conversation whilst admitting that this is what you think and this is what you believe that is a far richer more fulfilling experience for the viewer or The Listener than someone just giving out talking points and saying I agree because that rapidly gets very boring there's an audience for it but you know back and forth and the cut and thrust and hang on you said this but you that's I love watching that I love listening to that yeah well real honest discourse is fascinating especially by two intelligent people that have different perspectives it's fascinating because
you say this guy's obviously very smart and this person's obviously very smart and they're talking and you get a chance to see like what what how do you come to your conclusions are you willing to admit that other people have points like or are you just steamrolling them when they question you about something that's contradictory about the way you think like how are you thinking and I think we all learn by watching other people think and and discuss things absolutely but the difference is this is where the medium is the message Point really applies is that takes a lot of time yeah take any issue that's that's in any way controversial the idea that you can the reason issues are controversial is that people don't agree that's what controversial means right people don't agree people have different perspectives the reason they have different perspectives it's an is that that is an issue which is difficult to have consensus on right that means that issue is so complicated you cannot discuss it in five minutes right it's going to take hours and something really it's going to take you know for sometimes it's going to take years of research to come to a conclusion about certain things the idea that you can adjudicate that through the medium of two people having a bust up on a show where they just it's optimized for Ang or an outrage that's ridiculous that's not how you get to the truth the way you get to the truth is you take your time and you have a conversation yeah um and that's why I think we keep using that word hope but that's why I do have hope as you say before I takes over that that format allows I'm not saying that's the only way these conversations goes there are a lot of dumb [ __ ] there's a lot of dumb [ __ ] being said on podcast all the time as well but there is the space for that kind of conversation as well and that that is good yeah podcasts are a lot like Twitter conversations it's a lot of dumb [ __ ] a lot of dumb [ __ ] but a lot of good [ __ ] too right yeah yeah and that's very similar in that they're both kind of unregulated yeah and but it's important that you hear dumb [ __ ] it's important it's it's really important that you hear it and also it's why I believe you know I hate political correctness because it it stops conversations from happening or what it
does is it means like like take immigration if like you say or well if you if you say this point of view that's racist you're only going to talk about 70% of the problem you're not going to talk about this 30% here if you don't talk about this 30% here because it's Politically Incorrect you are never going to solve the problem because the only way to solve the problem is to talk about every facet of the problem right and if you you know and if you're not going to approach that 30% we ain't ever going to come to a solution and that's when you get riots like we had in the UK yeah that's how that happens yeah when you try and suppress the discussion that's what happens and you guys don't have guns and we don't have thank we don't have guns cuz it's getting pretty Heen man yeah I've seen some stuff seems wild over there man it is um you know the real fear if Trump wins is civil discourse or or civil unrest rather in this country a lot of people are scared of that because they remember what happened when he won in 2016 you know and there's there was some of it that was real peaceful like the women's March there was no violence at the women's march to speak of I mean I'm sure there was some but it wasn't like the BLM marches the BLM marches were crazy right do you think that's going to happen if he wins I think there's a certain amount of that that's coordinated and I think there's a certain amount of that that they they do to uh initiate civil unrest to um to further their political goals I think there's a certain amount of that that's real I think that's always been the case there's always been um agent provocators that go into peaceful protests and start smashing things so the cops can come in and and and shut everything down and then there was during the BLM I'm sure you you saw during some of the um the protests and riots that there was these bricks that were just left everywhere did you see that yeah there was at some places there was pallets of bricks that were just left in the middle of the course of where these protests would be didn't make any sense like why is this there right and there was all these conspiracy theories and there's all these people that absolutely dismissing the conspiracy theories I'm like why would
you dismiss it like what do you do you think that some people benefit from civil unrest they certainly do if you wanted to uh get the the public riled up and get you just start smashing things and lighting them on fire and give people this feeling that they can do that that was a wild time man crazy time that was a wild and and a lot of the people who were right at the front of that cheerleading it on from the sidelines it's like what they did with Joe Biden like yesterday he was the leader of the Free World this perfect guy he's got no cognitive issues and then tomorrow bam he he he's done well the defund the police stuff you know that was all that was all about defunding the police are you out of your [ __ ] mind do you You Don't Know Jack [ __ ] about police work and you're saying to defund the but even some people that knew about it were using it as a political tool K Harris was saying defund the police totally would you ask her about that if she comes on sure sure yeah I'd ask her about changing perspectives I think it's important that people change perspectives like people say oh they flip-flopped well that's probably good that means they they maybe they were faced with better evidence and they realize they were incorrect I would rather have that and someone like sticks to some stupid erroneous idea forever yeah the real question is did they actually change their mind right that's the question or are they just a politician like some people are car salesman some people tell you need the undercarriage protection you need that undercarriage protection and it's it's very important sell it and and it's also the way they marketed that they were like this is a left-wing idea I'm telling you right now people who are poor want police yeah if you live in a poor deprived area with high rates of crime you want police you don't want a drug dealer on your on your on your on your you know selling crack you don't want armed gangs roaming around you want them to come and protect your family so the idea that we're going to get rid of police and all of a sudden all the rapists are going to go you know what mate decide not for me well there was also so many weird ways to handle the riots like one of the things they
did in New York City just let people do whatever they wanted to do and let it burn out which is apparently that was a way that people theorized it was the best way to deal with civil unrest Way Way Back Into the 60s but it was proven to not be correct like it's not a good idea because it encourages people to do more [ __ ] you've got kids Joe yes if your kids are running Riot do you let it just burn out no [ __ ] no no well especially when people look if you're in New York like I'm sure you saw like sax fith Avenue all these different stores that got their Windows smashed and people just stole millions of dollars or that [ __ ] smashed destroyed lit things on fire like why would you ever want to come back to that City why would you ever want to have a business there you're going to kill the businesses that keep people coming to the city and help the economy that's Insanity it's dispiriting it's actually dispiriting and because when you saw those events happening you just felt like I I was watching it going what is happening what is happening to society because every time someone commits a crime and they get away with it and you see it it has a demoralizing effect on you because you think hang on a minute I work hard I pay tax I do all of this and you allowed to just go around roam scotf free Nick all the stuff make and then there's no repercussions for it so why am I taking part in a system which is effectively punishing me yeah it's disheartening that's the best way to put it I gotta pee real quick we'll do that we'll come right I'll do that Co yay much better can't concentrate when I have to pee it's possible yeah that that is so true the moment you meet it's I remember doing a gig at the Edinburgh festival and the crowd were just awful they just weren't going for anything and I was like why is this and one of the comedians turned around to me it was raining outside I'm like so he went they've all got wet socks oh you can't be happy when you you can't be happy when you got we socks on maybe you should tried some hate speech didn't a guy get arrested in uh Ireland because he refused to call a boy a girl in class teach teacher teacher they literally put him in jail right
yeah yeah how long is he in jail for I it's been a while it's been a while and it's o That's dystopian that is that's really crazy but it's The Logical conclusion of this hate speech [ __ ] right if it's hate speech then you have to prosecute it if you prosecute it you have to punish people if to punish people how do you punish people you put them in a [ __ ] cage [ __ ] crazy and it's also as well it's that whole safetyism issue which is we need to keep people safe yeah and words are violence that's another one yeah and if somebody is going around spreading hate speech he is making people unsafe they even if they just feel unsafe Francis they feel unsafe they feel unsafe yeah they feel unsafe but but and it's that's what it's all about you have made me feel unsafe therefore I am unsafe and what do we need to do about that you need to be you need to be got rid of you can't have it here not just that but you set a massive example to anybody else you step out of line we're going to put you in a cage yeah so it's time to start calling boys girls or girls boys or whatever the [ __ ] we tell you to it's just completely illogical it says he was jailed because he broke like a trespassing order kind of for not for going back there when they told him not to that would be the third time though right so they tell him to go back to the school yeah he went back to the school to talk to people or something and that's what he got arrested for um so he got fired why he was not arrested for his position on transgender pronouns as claimed in misleading social media posts social media users shared a video burk's arrest outside the school September 2D where he's heard saying I have a right to work here I have a right to be here not to tell students that they need to take puberty blockers oh wow but Jamie this is the third time though what was he arrested for initially cuz that's really kind of what we're talking about scroll down at the bottom though let me hear what says more it says there um other people off camera also say you're arresting him because he won't endorse gender transgender ideology and anoch Burke teacher being arrested for not accepting transgenderism people circulating the clip online suggest Burke was arrested for his views with some writing breaking Irish police
arrest teacher in O Burke for not endorsing trans ideology so was he fired for not that terms of injunction that instructs him to stay away from the school so he must have been fired for that and then he refused to just leave and so he kept coming back and then they arrested him I mean you know no but that said he was arrested for a third time so I'm guessing the previous two arrests might not have been for trespassing they might have been for things that he said well let's find that out that' be worth checking find yeah it's you know this is the thing that I find the most egregious is when you get kids involved because the thing is with kids kids don't know they don't understand the concept A lot of them of especially at a young age of gender so and they're very impressionable of children of course they are so you can pump them full of this stuff and eventually they can believe it they're not like adults who will go hang on a minute mate the odd kid is but but the majority of them are highly suggestable that's why children have parents because they're not capable of making their own choices it really is that simple that's why there's teachers that's why there's you know there's adult leaders yeah so they go to them you are not capable of making this decision because your brain is not mature enough it is not developed enough I am an adult I will be the one making your choices and then when you get to whatever age AG 18 21 depending on the thing then you can go off and you can live your life and you can do whatever you want until then I am the one in charge and to this idea that then you then let as something as huge as this where there's going to be medical intervention and surgeries I'm going to call it what it is Joe that's child abuse it's child abuse you at least they've stopped it in the UK in terms of the surgeries and puberty blockers sort of describing more but it's still like he said he didn't want to call the student they so they told him administrative leave and he kept coming back to the school so they put him yeah so that's what it is um instructed staff that a pupil who was transitioning to another gender wished to be referred to by a new name and the announc they a change supported by the pupil's parents Burke from castlebar County Mayo who
teaches history refused citing his religious beliefs the school put Burke on paid administrative leave after he allegedly confronted the principal at a public event and questioned her in a heated manner a claim Burke denies after Burke continued to attend the school it obtained a court order barring him from the campus he continued to show up prompting his jailing for contempt of court right so it sounds like a guy making a stand basically yeah yeah yeah you know and and you know what's even more nuts about this Ireland's a Catholic country yeah Ireland is a country that with Muhammad being the number one name for young boys in in Ireland yeah really yeah has a number one name for boys I mean the the Catholic faith has changed a lot since well a lot of people moved there yeah yeah but but you know what as well it's find that statistic cuz that statistic is crazy yeah I typed it and it didn't pop up right away so I don't know there might go way in which it is but maybe it's number two maybe it's number two I think it was number one for young boys in like one of the most recent years I hope they're not calling the girls that that would be so cruel you can't even draw her yeah but yeah it's maybe in one city it says in Ireland in gallay city is it Galloway goway goway go that's what pops up when I typed in Muhammad on top of it it said Ryan's the number one name in Ireland Brian Ryan R Ryan Ryan but you know this again is what gives me hope Joe is that especially in the UK we have fought really long and hard against this stuff there was a report done by one of the one of the most important pediatricians called Dr Cass and the Cass report and it basically took a bulldozer to all of this crap yeah to all of it and you go this is what we can do if we just start challenging and we go no boys cannot become girls girls cannot become boys that doesn't mean that if you know somebody is having gender dysphoria they need they don't have therapy talk to them help them of course all of this thing we need to look at the reasons why girls are wanting to transition in their droves why is this particularly 40% of girls who are wanting to transition they've got autism we need need to talk about this we need to investigate it and
we need to help these kids but just giving pu puberty blockers and sending them on the stream to essentially have their life medicalized for the rest of time that ain't a solution and it's profitable which is even scarier so once these these institutions become established and start making money off of it they want to continue to well that's why I think we're ahead of the US in the UK because we don't have that profit motive to do it do you think I was going to ask do you think we've reached Peak work Joe do you think we're past it now do you think we've turned the tide it's still here I mean it's like we killed off most of the Wolves but there's still a lot I think it's always going to be a thing that people ascribed to there's always going to be a thing that people join up with because it's very they're very aggressive in the ideology and people like aggressive things just like Nazis never really went away there's just like way less of them m you know like when you get on Twitter today you can still find some real Nazis which is kind of crazy cuz you would have thought after 45 ah we hit Peak Nazi you know it's over but it's not it's there's always going to be woke people there's always going to be crazy ridiculous people that take things to the extreme in the 60s it was the Weather Underground you know you're always going to have people that are out of their [ __ ] mind you're always going to have antifa you're always going to have something like that where people believe the most extreme version of something something cuz they it gives them meaning and it's a group you could just join anybody can join and then you start fighting for it because those are the people are the the downfall of civilization you know I wonder about that online stuff because it based on what I see I don't see it reflected in like normal day-to-day life and and we had Ashley Sinclair on our show last time we were in the US and she was talking about all these idiots running around going repeal the 19th you've heard this [ __ ] um and she said at the time she said a lot of this is foreign influence and I was like okay I mean I don't know um and then you had this tenant media thing did you follow this what is it tenant media it was La
ten media yeah did you did you follow that not much yeah so it was basically um the Russian government through various proxies gave 10 million doar to people in America I think Lauren it was Lauren Chen and her husband's company oh that's right that that was so what was going on with that were they saying positive things about Russia I don't think from what I've seen I may be wrong about this I didn't see any evidence that any of the influencers who ended up being paid were like on the payroll to do specific things do you think it's valuable to them to give the money just so they can kind of those people can be dismissed uh it's so that those people can pollute the space right if everyone thinks the right wants to repeal women's right to vote right that divides society and it creates chaos like when I see all these Nazis talking online I don't see that ref like we went to the Trump rally none of them were there every time Israel got mentioned there was a big cheer you know what I mean so I don't see that reflected in reality and I wonder how many of those thousands of likes and retweets are real right that's a factor did you see the thing that happened at the Trump boat rally in Florida where a Nazi boat pulled up and they had like swastikas and everything and the whole deal and with masks on and everybody just started hosing them get the [ __ ] out of here because it's a kind of agent provocator type deal where you probably have someone some group that wants to make all the Trump people look like Nazis so they show up and and then I saw media Outlets report on it like the Nazi flags were seeing at the Trump rally yeah yeah and and it's a great point but the thing we always focus on with the right is the far right and we should focus on them and we should talk about them we never talk about the farle and communism right and you know people on like I'm Venezuelan I there were people in the labor party eulogizing Chavez round about 2005 at the same time as he was putting my relatives in jail yeah and then they were just there going and then they've all moved on and they've disappeared like butterflies in the wind and no one addresses it anymore and everyone's like oh well that's fine and you go so where's the consistency right if you're going to hold the right to
account and you should hold the right to hold the right to account you you've got to hold your own side to account with people who are like well communism was never tried and you're going I think it was mate yeah just wasn't tried right well the reason I asked you those kids in Brooklyn hav't figured out yeah the reason I asked you about pqu cuz I heard Rah Emanuel remember he was Obama's Chief of Staff mayor of Chicago he was on Sam Harris's podcast and they had a very interesting conversation where people in the center of the the left they are backtracking on wokeness and quickly they're like oh that was just a moment yeah we let some crazy that's kind of how they're talking about is that where Sam's at right now I don't know about Sam Sam was I think Sam is Uber antiwork he always has been and he was pushing Emanuel to kind of go why doesn't carala Harris come out and say look I went along with all this woke [ __ ] like many of us did right that was a moment we we you know I was wrong about that we're not talking about that now we're talking about make America better make America richer like why doesn't why doesn't why don't those people just draw a line under it and say that was a mistake that and a lot of people on the center left now are awake to this moment I think that's excuse me that's why I asked you because this does seem to be something happening yeah something's happening and I think it's it was inevitable because it's so much of what people are dealing with is just stupid there's so much push back against it and that's what Trump represents that that's what the the the reason why there were 75,000 people outside of Madison Square Garden and you know the place was overflowing with humans that's what it represents like people are tired of being badg ined they're tired of being lectured to they're tired of being told what to think and what to say and what to believe and they don't like it they don't like that this one party is keep talking about change but they've been in control for 12 out of the past or is 12 out of the no 14 out the past 16 years that's crazy how can you be talking about change you know they're tired of it they want something to be different that makes them feel like there's hope and they're also tired of being called bad people yeah because at the end of
the day and right they're both half the [ __ ] country right right so you can't run a country by claiming that half the country is evil and and in some way you can't you can't do that about the right you can't do that about the left look the people on the right they are the firefighters and the police officers and the solders stereotypically speaking of course there's leftwing fire you know what I mean right you're going to run a country without firefighters and police right you going to run a country without soldiers right I mean we tried running a country without police mate yeah it doesn't work very well right and likewise you need also the more creatively minded people who are on the left and who who run administrative [ __ ] and other kinds of things you need both sides to realize in this country you're all Americans in our country you're all British like you want to be tribal go for it but let's agree we're all one and then we can go be tribal against China or whatever you know we need someone who's a leader who can articulate that that's a part of one of the major parties who can say that and sort of unite people and you're not getting that from either side either side is the other side's stupid and they're ridic they're going to be the downfall of us and this is a dumb person this is a evil person there's no uniting there's like it should be I don't think you have to do it that way I really don't because I think if somebody just avoided all that stuff and just focused entirely on the good things that are possible if we all work together everybody was not going to listen to their opponent who's constantly [ __ ] on them if the if this one person is [ __ ] on the other person relentlessly and the other person doesn't even respond to it just talks about what they want to do that person looks really stupid and Petty but if as soon as you engage now you're just like them and now it's like I had to hit them back like do you do you really how about just say what you think you can do and say what needs to be done and how you're going to do it and I think this is a reason why we in this in the UK have made far greater strides with the whole with the whole medical intervention with children issue is because it's not really a political issue people on the left have spoken out
against it and people on the right and the and the people like Heroes like JK rolling and the moment you get people like that talking about it on both sides people are then able to listen because it's someone from their side who they think is inverted Comm as a good person going oh she's talking about it did you see the thing that she tweeted about the puberty blocker study that they wouldn't release yeah it's so crazy they they they made a puberty blocker study they found out it doesn't help the kids no doesn't help their mental health and they thought that it would embolden the other side so they decided not to release it so you found out that it's bad for kids you don't want people to know that it's bad for kids and she wrote so you could PE keep doing terrible things to kids you know and and then but again it shouldn't just shouldn't be a part as an issue right of course especially with children Jesus Christ that's crazy also the thing in the UK you got have socialized medicine yeah so there's not this giant machine behind it the way it is here the other thing about America is advertisement so this is one of two countries in the world where pharmaceutical drug companies can advertise and that's not good that's clearly not good we're [ __ ] fullon captured by them and the amount of money that they can make and then the whole system behind them is so deeply ingrained in money you know it's just they they've got their hooks in deep in politics and television and media they got their hooks in deep and that's not good and that's why you can have these conversations in America and medical stuff gets connected to left or right wing mhm but the great thing is with America is your first amendment you're so lucky to have that Joe you're so lucky that you don't have what we have where people where politicians are openly talking about we need to tackle islamophobia you know and you go I was talking to a very very senior member of the of the police he came to one of my gigs and then we got the the tube home and this is a very very senior guy deals with government and I go to him how long do you think until we have hate speech laws in the in the UK in in England because Scotland has a different legal system and he went probably two to two and a half years and the and the fact
and the fact that that this guy was just very matter of fact about it made made me real I that we're in trouble we're in trouble because if Government comes in and starts legislating starts clamping down that's when you're living under authoritarian regime and under authoritarian rule but the fact you have this free speech amendment and you've said it yourself if you don't believe in free speech you're not American that that is such a beautiful thing this is the way people have to look at it you would think that stopping hate speech would be a good thing and it would it would be great if everybody voluntarily stopped using hate speech it would be wonderful but as soon as you can Define hate speech in as simple a terms as calling someone by their original name when they've decided to change genders like if you don't want to be Francis anymore but I insist on calling you Francis and you can put me in jail for that that's really crazy and it's dangerous because it's just control and you can't allow that kind of control to be in the hands of any government body where because of the words out of your mouth they can now put you in a cage that's a crazy precedent to set forget put yourself outside of who's right or who's wrong and just think about the concept of the words that you say and opinion that you spouse can put you in a cage you don't ever want to give the government that because that can keep moving that that definition of what is hate can keep moving it can keep moving to a really ridiculous place which I think it is if you're you're doing things like gender identity especially if someone decide like if Admiral LaVine that person that Rachel LaVine person if you can't say that looks like a guy if you can't say that and you get in jail well now you're getting locked up for what for accurate observations this is nuts and it's dangerous because once you set a precedent then they can keep moving that further and further down the line they attach you to a social credit score system and then they decide whether or not you can buy groceries and now they can kind of dictate your behavior in the way you talk and think and now we're in 1984 like legit and and you don't have to even be a genius to understand this if you look at history look at all the societies where speech
is heavily restricted you would not want to live in any of those places and you don't get any creativity you you you miss out on everything that it is to be an American you miss out on all the cool this is like the in terms of like entertainment how much entertainment comes out of the United States that the world consumes in terms of music comedy movies a giant percentage of the world's entertainment comes out of right here because you have the ability to freely express yourself yeah and that's the reason Hollywood's in the doldrums now because they don't have the ability to freely Express himself themselves you know who doesn't get [ __ ] with rappers they can still get wild they get wild they get [ __ ] wild they still do they they say crazy [ __ ] in rap songs you could never get away with in any kind of rock and roll song or a pop song you know that Mexican OT you know he knows who that guy is I have that dude in here he's awesome he's hilarious but he's got this song He's like lately I've been [ __ ] a new town way around the the rap is ridiculous it's so crazy but it's like that old school braggadocious fun kind of like music again entertainment he's a wonderful guy meet him is a really nice guy very cool very cool dude very fun but it's a art form it's an art form just like death metal is an art form it's like a kind people like different [ __ ] and rap for whatever reason has gotten a pass cuz people are scared of being called racist that's black privilege poor Mexican priv this guy Cas they should have had him open the Trump rally instead of tell have been amazing that would have been amazing I think he uh I think he performed in front of Andrew Schultz's uh special yeah I think he did you know or at least Andrew used his song I mean what they did to Andrew was wild as well did you follow this fascinating but again had the opposite effect yeah you know so that was uh this Brooklyn theater uh they found out right after he did the Trump uh podcast three hours later they pulled his special like he was supposed to be filming a special there he'd already done a walkthrough of the theater like approved the theater they were going to sell tickets and they pulled it and it's just a political thing well what are what what do they
these I'm assuming business people right what the [ __ ] do they think they're achieving by doing they think they're going topress his special yeah they think well no they know he'll do it somewhere else it does he's big enough where it doesn't matter Andrew can do anything you know he's huge so he could go anywhere else anybody every other place would be happy to have him but they take a stand you know they signaling to Their audience yes they're signaling to their community that people don't feel safe you know cuz it's it's but it's you know it it has the opposite effect it just makes Andrew bigger uh people find out about they get outraged they can't wait to get tickets for his new place so he's now he's going to go to a new place that's bigger and better and he's going to it's the special be even bigger yeah he's he's an undeniable Guy totally there's certain people that are just undeniable forces they're undeniably talented and they'll they'll find a way through all this stupid [ __ ] Tony's one of them yeah he's undeniable he'll he'll make his way through this and be better than ever but this attacking that they did with Andrew just was so ineffective and it just made him bigger but it wasn't really attacking they just said they don't want to be of it which I guess if it's your [ __ ] theater and you just have this decision and you want to do it and it's not really going to harm him it's just going to if you understand the publicity effect the the what it's going to do is the opposite it's going to make this person who just interviewed Trump even more popular like go have at it did you have a lot of push back after you had Trump on I have no idea I don't pay attention that's a smart thing to do the only way to do it I've adopted that a long time ago and I wasn't going to change it for Trump for the Trump interview I just I'm not paying attention I don't know you know but figures like Andrew and Tony are really important for the culture because they send a very very strong message to everybody else you are not going to cancel me you are not going to win and in fact the tactics that you use to try and suppress me to try and stifle me all they're going to do is make me better bigger and stronger and that's such a beautiful message to send out to
everybody just go you know what you tried to stop me you're all you're doing is making me even more powerful I think people are realizing that now I think it really worked back in the day like you could cancel some people back in the there's some people that have been legit like Milo he got legitimately cancelled remember that guy used to be on he was on Bill Mar show he was everywhere he was always these videos he would sit down I had him on the podcast the guy was great back in the Bill Maher actually compared him to Christopher Hitchens never was like shut the [ __ ] up they were mad he was like funny articulate gay guy with a bit of a drug problem that uh is a republican every was like what the [ __ ] are we going to do with this and for him it was a great Avenue to get through and so wildly popular they remove him from Twitter they remove him from everything they remove him from YouTube and he kind of goes away what did he say well he talked about his own experiences as an underage man oh that's what so it sounded like he was kind of condoning was kind of condone he was kind of saying it not on just on my podcast but there was another podcast where he talked about these men becoming like mentors to young gay boys and that it actually helps them and every was like you're talking about pedophilia the Greek model right that's what the Greeks used to do it's it's considered different in you know when you think about man to boy who is a gay boy versus man to heterosexual girl like people get much more offended at the idea of a grown man and a young girl that's heterosexual then that's molesting whereas with a lot of gay guys and I'm not saying this is right but their attitude is this is what they wanted when they were 14 like that's what Milo said like I was Predator that's literally what he said on the podcast believe me I was the Predator like it's like ridiculous but that's his experience and he was talking about and they were like that's all we needed like this guy is defending pedophilia and they went after him and that was back in the day when Twitter was solely controlled by the left and you could cancel a guy like that and it was effective and you know I remember a lot of arguments when people were trying to deplatform people like when they
deplatformed Trump and there was a few other people that got they were saying deplatforming works this is what's been shown deplatforming works right for a little while but you [ __ ] idiots it's it's actually going to if someone crazy like Elon comes along and has the money to back it up and says I'm going to step in and I'm going to make a wild west Twitter like they had talked about doing two like when I had Jack on the podcast he was talking about doing two versions of Twitter doing a regulated moderated Twitter and then a wild west Twitter and I was like when's a wild west Twitter and that's what Elon did he opened up a wild west Twitter yeah dude there's some [ __ ] that I find on Twitter I'm like what like this is not and they doing a pretty good job of hiding that where you got to click through to see some of the more egregious things that people say but yeah I mean the problem is as well is that you D platform there's going to be somebody out there who's going to go you know what we're going to build a platform right but you know what they did with those platforms they in infiltrated those platforms with hate right so like if maybe reasonable right-wing people decided to leave and start their own thing you saw these Bots that would go to these unregulated places and say the most outrageous horrible [ __ ] and they might not even be real people and according to we've talked about this many times but according to an FBI analyst who was examining Twitter and the interactions on Twitter his estimation was it could be as high as 80% bots so if you try to open up whether it's truth social or just pick a name gab gab had a problem with that you just get bombarded by Bots who are trying to ruin your company right and whether that's the government or whether it's competing social media companies like if there's no laws about this if there's no laws about creating bots and you're running you know whatever it is threads and then this other thing opens up and you go you know what let's fill that place up with Nazis and you just start having these computers that you have connected to all these accounts just posting the worst [ __ ] possible Michelle Obama's got a dick and the White House is filled with pedophiles and you just like flood it with craziness and now nobody wants to
go there m you go there and you're looking for like a reasonable Republican conservative social media platform you can join you can talk about things that are bothering you you can't even go there yeah and what they did is in the case of paror is that they then shut it down and they pulled the plug do you remember take their Serv away all that right perfect example right now you don't have this right-wing version of this thing well this is one one thing I'm really hoping Elon gets to because he's been kind of busy as we know and I think him taking over Twitter is [ __ ] awesome it's really opened up a lot of things that needed opening up but one of the things you talked about early on was Bots mhm and I feel like there's probably a lot more work to do on that so when when they get round to that that would be make that would make Twitter better because I do hear from a lot of people who are just like I'm glad it's more open now but every time I open my for you thing it's like [ __ ] but the thing is it's like okay if you decided that the way to eliminate Bots is to require ID This Is Where It gets weird because there's data breaches right so if you're posting under Skippy McCoy 69 that's you got some crazy fake name and then all of a sudden it gets revealed that this is you and maybe you work in a right-wing office and you're posting something about abortion rights and people just decide let's get rid of that [ __ ] guy cuz now we know it's you right so we that's it's complicated yeah for sure people have been fired from things they posted on Reddit where they're [ __ ] posting [ __ ] posting on Ric is a lot like talking [ __ ] when you don't mean it in a group chat you're just saying ridic like Ari shafir says the most horrendous things he doesn't mean it Ari's a great guy he's saying something cuz it's funny to say and when you stop that because you can go and investigate who this person is people say things they don't mean just because they want to get a rise out of people because they're bored and they're like an anonymous person they'll say horrible [ __ ] they'll come up with a horrible meme are we really going to fire these people they're going to lose their livelihood for something that is just for them it's like sport almost definitely not but what I'm saying is to
the extent that foreign governments are interfering with what we think is the truth and what we think is the real conversation to the extent that other nefarious actors are trying to manipulate views clicks Etc that's a big [ __ ] problem it's a big [ __ ] problem and it's a problem that doesn't seem to be addressed at all no and we don't even know how many people are involved in this because it's so difficult if you're going through a VPN and you've got a computer bank and you've got these people that look real because you can now you can make artificial photos of families you can make you could decide I want a black woman and a Chinese man and this is their family and AI I want you to create their kids and so you can have all these posts on Instagram like oh you can follow these people over the years it's all [ __ ] and that's so easy to do now and you could do it on Twitter is way more easy because nobody even wants to see pictures of you so you could have a bunch of posts about things that happen to you during the day that make you look like a real person and just Nazi [ __ ] [Laughter] and this is the issue as well is that when people talk about you know hate speech they're making an incredibly complex issue very simple because they go oh yeah we're going to get rid of hate speech and then you go well what does that mean and what is it going to be the effects of that and also as well look there's a lot of young kids on social media I don't know about you but when I was a young kid I said lots of dumb [ __ ] right well are you then going to destroy someone's life for the next 20 years because they said something that could be racist so maybe is racist when they're 15 years old also there's some things that people see that are people have attempted to make mainstream that people have rejected like one of them is minor attracted persons right you've seen this right it's map Joe please let's have some respect I've seen M trying to py legitimate professors say that it's offensive to call some a pedophile and you should call them a minor attracted person and not to marginalize them what if it becomes hate speech to call someone a pedophile right that is not when you see how far we've
gone that's not outside of what could be possible yeah because if if you follow this train of thought to its logical conclusion and if they are a minority and all minorities need to be protected and particularly from a from a majority who dislike them and particularly in the case of Peter falles where the majority [ __ ] hate them then you go well you know this you know this person can't help who they are therefore they need protection and are a marginalized group yeah and how much of that has being manipulated by Foreign entities how many how many people are out there trying to get us riled up about stuff right I remember the Renee Desta thing where she found out that there was a uh Texas separatist meeting that was organized by these uh these troll Farms right across the street from this Muslim meeting like they they literally had them on the same block so they both protesting like AC like [ __ ] you [ __ ] you and they're just riling people up yeah and it's the idea was that they're doing this to there's a certain percentage of that that's going to diminish our faith in democracy that's going to defish diminish our faith in our system well this is what Yuri basmanov was talking about you've seen the stuff right and and I 100% believe there's a lot of that going on right now 100% it's too accurate yeah that speech that he gave in ' 84 when you when you apply it today it's like oh my God he was off by like a decade or so but not by much cuz a couple of decades ago if you were in a university pretty ridiculous there was just no social media to amplify it to the rest of the world what it was like slowly taking roote but the thing that Amplified it to the rest of the world was social media and that was the Unseen element that really like through the the gas lean on the fire I really think this issue actually in my opinion is a national security issue yeah um and I think that when when you look at it's not just this social media influencing but extends beyond that it's other countries stle countries funding colleges and universities it's doing all of that kind of stuff I really think the West needs to get serious about that and go do we want foreign countries to be dictating to our citizens what the truth is right um and we're we're going to
have to reckon with that that you that can't just be left to to to its own devices because it's not going to end well yeah it's not and it's it's scary that most people aren't aware that it's even taking place you know they think that these people with these opinions this represents a sizable portion of the country and it's real and a lot of it is not real and we don't we're not sure how much of it is real and so like we don't even really know what the conversation actually is which we know all of us and then there's no like reasonable people who are calling for civility where people go hey I like how that guy's talking there's no reasonable people call calling for some sort of a coming together into compromising I mean the most interesting people in the Republican party right now are people who used to be Democrats which is fascinating yeah it's like people have abandoned ship yeah and you know and the thing that worries me is IAL we talk to a lot of I talked to a lot of young people and we've had young people on the show one person in particular was was talking about the fact that young people don't believe in democracy anymore right they just go the system doesn't work it doesn't represent me whenever we elect someone they're never going they don't do what we want to do what we want them to do what's the point what we need is an oligarchy we need strong men to come in and sort this out and you're like Whoa Don't careful what you wish for I've seen that or socialism which always leads to an oligarchy yeah or just a dictator that's why there are people on the fringes of the right who are obsessed with belli and blli has done a lot of good things in his country who's blli he's the president is it salvad yeah he's the president of El Salvador incredibly popular he sought he basically took anyone who was a gang member and just threw them in prison right um and the country is a lot better right I've seen all that on a lot better and you know I I don't know enough about it to say whether it's entirely a good thing or a bad thing but you can see the temptation to kind of go well why don't we just have one guy come in right and sort the [ __ ] out right yeah you know right but you know the real problem is how did they get there in the first Bas yeah or the real problem is like what's
instead of like cutting off the cancer saying why are we getting cancer like what are we eating what are we consuming what's wrong with our society that's giving us these people that are gang members yes and I'm not a gang member you're not a gang member so okay a lot of people grow up and they don't become gang members so how do we make more of that how do we make more people that are productive normal people that are integrated into society and less gang members and yeah some people are going to be G gang members and there's no getting away from that right and those people we have the police for that if we haven't defunded them right so you have to have a combination of on the one hand you teach people how to live a good life what you're talking about on the other hand if you don't want to follow the rules we're going to crank down you pretty [ __ ] hard yes those two things together is how you get a good Society right and when you make excuses for why people are doing it you call it systemic racism all these different things and you treat them with leniency then you're encouraging people to do crimes because there's no repercussions so you're again not getting to the root of what's causing them to be like that in the first place but you're minimizing what they're doing because you address the fact that there's a root so like again you're dealing with the cancer you're like let the cancer grow like cancer is part of life instead of saying why am I getting cancer yeah and also the dangerous thing with B I I I went on a date with a girl who's now Salvadorian journalist and I said look I don't know anything about B tell me about him and she went to me that he gets his people to turn up if he doesn't like a newspaper a a story in the news m and he him his his guys have a have a word and to get this suppressed well this is the fear of the big strong man right and this is the fear that a lot of people have of trump they're scared that he would do that like so the thing that they keep bringing up which is ironic is him turning the justice system on his enemies just like how you guys are so cra this is like the nut this is like hooker is getting mad at strippers what are you saying hasn't even done it yet she gets a tits out this is so nuts you guys are
it's the the the way they're talking about it it's almost like they don't know what they're doing or they're not aware of what they're doing or they know what they're doing I don't give a [ __ ] yeah one of those either one's not good yeah but you know I from my conversation with Trump I don't think he's the monster that everybody thinks he is and I think I think for sure there's been a gross Distortion of a lot of the things that he said that's led to this you know the fine people hoax the rushia gate hoax there's so many different the suckers and losers hoax there's all these different things that people attribute to him to try to make him way worse than he really is instead of just like addressing the things you don't like about him that are real you know and so it's this Distortion and we know there's a distortion and that's why when he sits here and he talks for three hours people are so interested it's not just because what he says is interesting it's because we know you've been bullshitting we know that used the legal system to try to arrest this guy you you've done some Banana Republic [ __ ] where you're trying to weaponize the legal system to go after your political opponents we know that so when you get a chance to see that guy talk you're like oh so this is who he is and again he's being Charming he knows millions of people are listening he's talking to me I've met him before we have a mutual good friend in Dana White he knows I'm not going to be an [ __ ] so he's comfortable but you get a chance to see well he is that guy part of him is that guy like it's not an act that's who he is he is that guy he's not a terrible person it's just you may or may not agree with his approach you may or may not agree with how he runs his business and how he wants to do things but if you keep using the word fascist against him you ratchet up the the pressure you ratchet up the tension so people are looking at him going well this guy is a fascist and he he's Hitler therefore we need to do everything in our power to stop Hitler coming to power power because if if they did that in the 1930s we wouldn't have World War II 6 million Jews wouldn't be exterminated whippy Goldberg was just saying he's going to separate interracial couples what oh come see if you can find that see you
can find that really yeah I couldn't even watch it I saw the clip and I was like I can't even watch this I'll lose my marbles it's so crazy yeah but it's like put you in camps I've heard that too they're going to put people in camps they're going to put gay people in camps too what he was President for four years none of these things happened was already president this is part of the problem with saying this if he wasn't president before and he was saying outrageous things like what if this guy gets in power but he was President he was President for four years and it's interesting from people who keep talking about hate how much of that they're projecting onto him well let's have a look at this is going to S all crazy get some volume different way than to come after people because of their Heritage which they are born in to it is not a choice you are who you are and here you going to make all kind of fun people said no more we're tired of that that's why people are saying right there you heard the women say listen what we heard at that rally should be enough to shake folks awake cuz he's talking about you all of you all of you he's talking about you it's us he's not going to be he's not going to you know say oh you're with a white guy I'm going to keep you from being Deport no he's going to deport you and put the white guy with someone else the man is out there what yeah that's a large jump from what he's ever said that's that's a crazy thing to say that's why I thought he were very wise to bring the view up as the first thing you talked to him about right cuz you're just going this is how it used to be and I remember at the exact moment n years ago I remember was that long ago our friend Donald Trump they all come and hug him and kiss him everybody loves you they were talking about how they love him yeah man and the audience was cheering he was getting cheered on The View it is so wild to watch we didn't play it for him because we didn't want to give anybody any excuse to give us a copyright strike cuz I wanted to play it I wanted to start the show off with him listening to him being on The View and go what is this like cuz like there's no one ever that's had the machine turn on them whether you agree with them or not
agree you must admit like the steel dossier all the crazy stuff they put out on him they've turned this machine on him in this way you've never seen before and this is how they used to look at him just nine years ago you know it was longer than that it was 2011 oh was it when he was running for president no he wasn't running for president then oh he was talking about running for president might have mentioned it then but I don't well he went on The View multiple times how many times did he go on he's been on but I was trying was the last time you went on that could have been his last appearance I think I don't know well that makes sense right because Barber Walters when did she stopped being on it yeah she was on that appearance and she looked pretty young back then so 2011 so okay 13 years ago still nuts still nuts it's not that long ago not that long ago and for that complete about turn to go from the greatest guy who everyone wants to be the president to the devil Inc carner in 1 years people for the from the same people Joy bayart hugging him whippy Goldberg hugging him all of them hugging him that's quite a transformation well it's like they got their marching order yeah M he did he was in the 2012 race bows out of the 2012 US president so that was when he was thinking about doing it in 2012 oh remember remember at the White House Press correspondence dinner when Obama roasted him and he said but I'm one thing that you'll never be president of the United States everybody went and he was like all right [ __ ] the wrong dude some there's there's [ __ ] dudes out there that are like the boogeyman they just will keep coming well that's part of his appeal man like when he got shot and he he's badass you may fight fight fight and you know at at this rally there was this uh point when he was just he it it really struck home for me why people like him it was like he was talking about China and somebody had said put out a report that if America had a war with China America would lose and he was like first of all why would you put out that report and secondly we would kick their ass and you kind of go if you're an American and you want your country to be great you want it to be successful left or right whatever your position is do you want to be on the side of the people who
think America's future is behind it right or do you want to be on the side of the people who think yeah we're going to kick ass we're going to succeed we're going to make money we're going to be successful and there's also like looking at some of his foreign policy decisions and whether or not he was correct one of them was the embargos on Iran that that seemed to have freed up a whole lot of money when the Biden Administration let the those funds free and then October 7th happens shortly thereafter and when you know that they fund these various terrorist organizations this is something Iran's done this is not a big stretch to think that one of the reasons why these things are happening was because people went a different way than Donald Trump did when he was in office and a lot of people feel like that like logical reasonable left-wing people even yeah it's because it's true yeah it's true if you give the Iranians a [ __ ] ton of money and also if they don't fear repercussions right you put those two things together is it a surprise no do you do you think part of the problem is we think everyone just thinks like us so we're like you know what if we give more money to to the ayatolla you know what he's going to do yeah all right you know he he's a bit nut but he's going to put money into social programs the average Iranian is going to be happier healthier wealthier did you ever see that interview where this woman was asking the Taliban whether or not they're going to let women run for office now just burst out laugh laughing in her face like what are you talking about you don't understand this place at all yeah it's called Mirror Image bias actually a lot of foreign Intel guys they get trained for years to not think that everyone is like them cuz they're absolutely not the the the people in charge of Iran they want to wage Jihad against America right and Israel right what do jihadis do when they have money and opportunity yeah they go to Jihad they start going it's not complicated it's not complicated and Trump was aware of that yeah you know it's um some of the decisions that he made were better decisions that's that's objectively true and now Israel is having to deal with
these terrorist groups that are and funded to the teeth yeah and then we're in this place where we're arguing about jokes weird right yeah [ __ ] weird [ __ ] weird it's easier to argue about jokes than it is to talk about the Middle East and be actually honest about it and go what what Israel is facing is an existential fight for survival and Israel is is is causing you know there are war crimes happening whatever but you're going you can't just just let terrorist groups attack a country you can't let Hezbollah from October the 8th fire Rockets into Northern Israel perpet that can't be allowed to continue right it's either going to escalate or you're going to need to deescalate because the one thing with jihadis is you know they're committed mhm you know they they believe what they yeah they they're committed and they are going to they believe in a global Islamic caliphate and they want to wipe Israel off the map and then they want to wipe also Sovereign Nations off the map so they get a global Islamic caliphate which is why so many moderate Islamic countries crack down on these people really hard because they understand the threat from these people and then there's the reality that what Israel is doing is also horrific right you you see the murdered children and women and you you see the videos of people getting blown up with indiscriminate bombing of apartment buildings because someone underneath it is Hamas that that that's [ __ ] terrifying too so there's no cuz no one can justify that you watch that you see you how many innocent people died this is [ __ ] insane and then there's the argument that well but Hamas is using them as human Shields like is there there's no other way to do this than to just bomb where you know civilians are going to be because bad guys are there also this this is the crazy thing about war because in the past I think this was a strategy that would have been employed by almost any powerful Nation trying to wipe out an enemy but we don't like look what would you what did we we do in Hiroshima in Nagasaki we just indiscriminately killed everybody just dropped a nuclear bomb on an entire city and but the question is what should Israel do instead that's a good question that's a real good question and this is this is the problem
because I take your point but the issue is that Hamas have openly stated on numerous occasions that they want to ma maximize civilian casualties they're doing it deliberately so the question is and we've had Pro Palestine guests on the show we've had pro-israel guests on the show and we've asked them basically trying to get to the bottom of this like how do you do this I get that what's happening is terrible it is terrible no one would dispute that no one who has a conscience or a heart would look at what's happening in Gaza and think that's [ __ ] great right nobody but at the same time the question ultimately is after October 7th what is Israel supposed to do what are you supposed to do when your country's been attacked from several sides by different terrorist groups all funded by Iran and sponsored in other ways and they give them weapons what are you supposed to do now you say Well they're supposed to isn't there another way I'm asking that question I haven't heard a persuasive answer what they're supposed to do instead the problem is when you have very religious ideologically convinced people that their their thing is also about if you die you go to heaven yes and you're you're you're a martyr and that's a that's a worthy goal there's not there's not another religion that espouses that there's another another religion that enforces that idea in people right that scares a [ __ ] out of people and that they're okay with people dying I I would love for somebody to have an answer to this but I just tell you like as you know I have relatives in Ukraine what did they do when the war started they turned every [ __ ] basement into a bunker to protect civilians that is not what Hamas are doing they have these tunnels they don't let civilians in there that's where the terrorists hang out right so what do you do what is Israel supposed to do didn't Eric Prince have some sort of an idea to flush the tunnels yeah it's not a bad idea why didn't they Implement that I have no idea I have no idea because that would have kind of killed everybody wouldn't it if he really could do that yeah probably kill hostages too yeah oh yeah but they're probably already dead or if not they want to be dead you imagine October 7th hostage is still alive for a
year man and this is why I'm asking the question cuz I just think what would the UK do what would America do if you had a rampaging terrorist attack across the border and missiles from the north it's a very good question I think it's also from the perspective of people that live in Israel versus the perspective of people that live in America we haven't been invaded yeah you know and the people in Israel who have mandatory military service and they're constantly on threat I got a buddy of mine who's my kickboxing coach Shuki and he was from Israel and he was always like playing the bongo drums I went to his house for dinner everybody's dancing and singing I was like why are you guys so happy like everybody's so like Joy he goes man he goes when you live in Israel any day could be your last so it's like just party have a good time and they had this idea and I think if you're an American and you you don't feel that threat it just feels abstract you're not going to understand the mentality of someone who lives in a place that's surrounded by people who hate them yeah yeah and we know we had Nick freus do you know nick nick frus no he's a Green Beret former Green Beret he has a a YouTube channel I think as well and we asked him about this you know you were you you went he served in Iraq I think two tours and he talked about this we've got this interview coming out and he like there is no there is no way to deal with terrorists who are hiding behind civilians other than by going in and dealing with it there's no other way um I wish there was I I I I'm genuinely asking the question what is the other way right and if it is Israel should use it right but if there isn't what are they supposed to do it's it's also a crazy subject in America right because there's people on the left that do not want to support Israel and they think that Palestine is you know they that Palestine should be free and they they'll say from The River To The Sea and they chant it out and they don't exactly even know what they're saying which means like an annihilation of Israel from The River To The Sea that's literally what that means but then they they're now this sort of there's like this anti-semitic thing that's on the left which didn't exist before it's just like the anti-israel anti-semitic
thing that you never heard before from the left yeah like the left was always like super pro Israel but it makes sense doesn't it because if you've had a decade of wokeness the point of wokeness is the people who are successful the people who have the upper hand MH they're the bad guys right always colonizers right so Israel is the bad guy by default and by the way that doesn't mean that you know the OCC the situation in Gaza hasn't has been perfect nobody would argue that right but just because a country is succeeding in its military campaign doesn't mean they're the bad guys the problem with Jews though is they're too successful the Jews are too successful godamn it they right that's the problem with Jews they're too successful this tiny minority of people who've been oppressed throughout history and yet they're still succeeding they're making money they're successful the country they've built is more powerful than all its neighbors it's not a good look if you're woke how are these [ __ ] that's the argument so what's the anti-Semitism on the left that you were talking about it's The Logical conclusion of wokeness which is why I could never understand why Jews went along with wokeness massively massively like Jews vote like 60 70 75% for the Democrat Party in this country that was before October 7th I think that's you know talking to a lot of people we just had Bill Amman on the show that's changed people's minds quite a bit I don't I'm not saying he was work before that but you know what I mean yeah and it's also as well you talk about the left but the left in the UK has always had a problem with anti-Semitism Joe really yes there's always been a faction of the left that has looked at Jews and seen financiers business people rich people they control the you know the means of production they're the ones keeping the ordinary man on the street down we need to get rid of these financiers the oligarchs the bankers and then we'll be able to liberate people and there's that's there's always been that faction on the UK left that that's what we need to do and when Jeremy Corbin was in power wasn't in power was leader of the labor party I thought I
[Laughter] miss there was Jewish MPS labor MPS who literally walked out of the party because they were saying that he was not tackling and dealing with anti-Semitism and that this was allowed to run rampant within the labor party interesting you know Thomas Sol was once asked what do Jews need to do to stop anti-Semitism and he paused for a second and went fail that guy's so wise oh man he's incredible fascinating person and what kind of intellectual courage to step out on those limbs that he does and say these logical things that are against the it's you know heretic yeah I'm such ADM such a great admirer of his so such an interesting writer he's got many counterintuitive ideas super informative he's great in interviews too what if he still does them he's very he I think he's very old now so he I think he we tried to get him when we nearly had a phone interview with him but it didn't quite happen but I'd still love to make that happen yeah but he he's getting older unfortunately yeah I've seen some of the gome Chomsky interviews now you're like yo stop doing those I mean when he came out I mean he was Hardline on the VAC yeah like have you done any research at all he was yeah hard but I think that's an old person thing I think old people get really scared of diseases yeah yeah and they've got every right to be scared of diseases because they far more vulnerable to them exactly so they they're thinking of something that can kill you whereas the young people thinking oh it's going to be inconvenient yeah yeah and also you know much better than either of us every great Champion has to retire at some point right yes yeah you have to your your [ __ ] doesn't work right anymore including your brain it's going to come a point in time where you're you're not thinking well you're not very logical and you're not objective but the thing that made you a champion is the thing that's going to make you not want to retire yep that's what Fighters for sure that's what they that's why they fight way past their Prime and it gets really sad you never want to let it go yeah you because why would you why would you want to let it go right especially if that's what you do imagine if what you do relies on a very brief window of like power like that you have physically
where your hormones are firing you you don't have that much time yeah and then when it Slips Away you still feel like you're you but you just just you can't move I remember when uh watching Tyson Fury I can't remember who he fought he fought in London and conon and I were talking about it cuz we were going oh is he going to retire he said he's going to retire and then he entered the stadium on a gold Throne carried by people I'm like bro that he ain't going to [ __ ] retire anytime soon man he's fighting usyk again oh man that's a tough fight yeah yeah that usk guy is talented he's so talented he's so small for a heavyweight too he just he's non-stop movement and his footwork and everything it's so different than anybody else Joshua didn't know what to do with him he's like where is this guy going to be when I'm throwing punches he was moving all over the place yeah it's so different it's so different I well I remember when I was watching the Joshua usyk fight it made me realize the importance of technique cuz Joshua is a real physical specimen and has great technique too yeah but he doesn't have that Elite level of technique that usyk had and you could see the combinations the way he was throwing punches he just didn't have an answer to it because he's never been exposed to that level of technique well you know what it is he's a heavyweight and the heavy weights were never really that good in terms of that kind of technique it's like you need it at like middle weight and light heavyweight because everyone's super talented and Technical when you get up to the heavyweight division guys tend it tends to be like a lower bar you know and so when you have an elite athlete like Joshua is like fast and knockout power he can Excel without having the kind of technique that I got like lomachenko and usk were chained by the same guy they were both trained by lomachenko's father so they both have extreme technique and then you have bival and um uh bitter beef that just fought same thing both like super Soviet style boxing and you know you go whoa like this is technique like really really high level technique but it's rare that someone with that kind of technique gets into the heavyweight Division and that's why Fury is just a magn
because R Fury is from a gypsy backr and those are taught to fight at the AG of 3 years old and it's in their culture they all fight they all trained as boxers and telling you as someone who has broken up fights with Gypsy kids when I used to teach them they are taught never to back down you never back down you always go for it until the very end I I remember when I was watching uh the fury um the Wilder fight and I remember someone saying like he's knocked down he ain't getting up I'm like mate trust me he's going to get up he's going to get up yeah and then but that's why Fury is a force of nature it's that technique he has which has been instilled in him from basically the moment he could walk technique and huge and if you watch the usyk fight he was touching usyk up in the beginning of the fight yeah I mean that reach and that jab the accuracy that he has he was doing really well in that fight until he started to slow down a little bit and usyk wind up just catching him yeah bro it's an exciting moment in UFC as well the one that would just happened chimaya [ __ ] me bro he's terrifying he's he does it to everybody everybody he gets a hold of he just rag dolls even like really Elite wrestlers it's very extraordinary his talent is undeniable and Robert Whitaker like seeing him breaking Robert Whitaker's jaw just by squeezing across his face apparently Robert Whitaker had a broken jaw when he was a child and he had it worked on but it was it's always been vulnerable like his front teeth have been pushed in before in the Dre dupy fight he had problem with it as well apparently but this was different because this was like chamaya got the blade of his forearm across the jaw and it was like just crushing those teeth and it goes into his M you saw the photo it looks like yeah man do you think if that doesn't happen Whitaker stands up who knows I mean chamay was smothering him Whitaker looked exhausted it was very early in the fight too yep first round I mean it's just the amount of technique that hamzad has and the intensity of his attack is unlike anybody else he's so talented he's so good at grappling and his standup is [ __ ] dangerous too and I think he's way better at 185 I really do I think at 17 he was killing himself to make that weight and now they see him at 185 I
think he has more energy he's just and he's more than big enough for those guys he's huge he's a big guy he's good man he's really [ __ ] good but ilot tooro that was the most shocking it says that Robert only landed two strikes wow crazy I don't even know what he hit him with yeah might have hit him with a leg kick I don't remember I don't remember I just remember hamzat shooting two leg kicks yeah there it is two leg kicks so Hamza just shot in on them and just started beating the [ __ ] out of them I it was so relentless and overwhelming and when Robert got up once Hamza Dove on him again and had him down again a second so it's demoralizing yeah yeah reminded me of khabib as well where like you get up you get straight back down and then you just run out of energy right maybe even more intense cuz maybe even more dominant you know like to do that to Whitaker like that a guy who's a world champion like even the Connor fight it took a while before he overwhelmed him you know it took a while before he was just beating Connor's ass like the beginning of the fight is more competitive like this was just a overwhelming Victory he just Hamza just charged in dove in got him down and mauled him mauled him until he broke his face do you think it's different with dupy if because he can wrestle he's he can wrestle he's got very good Jiu-Jitsu he hits [ __ ] hard and he's a big durable dude but I don't know if he's going to be able to wrestle with that guy like I don't know man the hamzat skill is so high level it makes me wonder it's some guys like you see it in Jiu-Jitsu there's some guys that look really good until they fight somebody who's really really good and then they get manhandled you know it's like everybody looks good until they face Gordon Ryan like Gordon Ryan can do that to any anybody like is Hamza at that level well it kind of appears that he is it appears that he's in terms of like the grappling that he possesses seems magnitudes greater than anybody else in his division but it also it's that skill thing that we talk about when you look you can have athleticism you can have strength but when you come up against someone who skill is far superior to yours eventually you're going to burn out cuz there's only a fine amount a fine amount of strength and and power
that you have got and eventually if you're fighting somebody who can match you physically but also has the skill on top of it I mean you're kind of done really unless you get lucky with a punch I guess counterargument might be and you'll correct me Joe Gilbert Burns fight he I mean it he he won but he was close he was very close I think it's at 170 I don't think he's the same guy at 170 I also think Gilbert is tough as [ __ ] and at that point in time Gilbert had he challenged Usman for the title and lost but then came back and was one of the best 170 Pounders in the world it was a big step up in competition that I don't think hamzad had faced before and Gilbert is a world champion in Jiu-Jitsu he's a very very very good Grappler so there's a difference there when you get Gilbert to the ground it's not that simple like you're you're fighting off arm bars and triangles and Guillotines and he's back up to his feet there was a lot of wild scrambles it was just you know Gilbert's a little older now but back then he was like really in his prime or close to it and he's just that [ __ ] good that's why that fight was so close is is Gilbert especially in that fight he was that good I mean it was a war he dropped chamaya he cracked him with the right hand but shmaya even when he got dropped he dove in and took him down like he's [ __ ] good man he's good what he did to Whitaker was just nobody thought that was going to happen that was crazy that was scary yeah that was scary and what Ilia did to Max is even scarier too oh wow cuz I I I saw Max as being totally under in control of that entire fight I was like he's got the ttic techically he's got him he's going to win this and then I would have said that I wouldn't have said that I said there's always danger with Toria he's [ __ ] so dangerous when he hits you it's so it's different than anybody especially with his hands his [ __ ] boxing is so high level and there's shots that he was Landing that would thud and you could see it in Max's face he caught him with a bunch of good shots before that but Max was Landing a lot of stuff too but he was forced into these exchanges and when you f you're forced in these exchanges Ilia has Superior technique his punches come straight down the pipe his hooks are perfect his distance management is perfect he's
super aggressive and the consequences of get him hit by him are so grave that left hook he caught Max with oh my goodness just spun his head around and you you rarely see I mean in in the UFC you you see obviously people who are you know multi-disciplined but it's rare that you see someone who's so pure with the way they hit I was watching him going this guy looks like a boxer the way that he K but he's that way with everything he's that way with his grappling he's out with his submissions he's just really really [ __ ] good and he's the new guard right like every generation comes up with a new guy who's a like a new high water mark of technique yeah that's where Ilia is so who's going to challenge him now do you think volkanovski yeah they're going to have a rematch I think volkanovski taking that fight three months after getting head kicked into you know a KO that's kind of crazy to do three or four months later he's fighting toor the most dangerous puncher he's ever faced I think that was crazy and I think now he's had a long time to recover but it's always going to be in his head that that guy just knocked me the [ __ ] out you know and look that's the kind of thing that drives a guy like vulcanos because he's such a warrior like he doesn't shy away from the most difficult challenges because if he did he could have taken some fights with some upand cominging contenders he could have said there's probably someone who wants to challenge him there's some guy he thinks he could definitely beat let me just get this fight under my belt and then you know but he's no he wants to go right back in there and fight for the title again and am I right in thinking there it's power versus speed cuz volcanos is so fast so quick IIA is fast too man there's no difference in speed really no I don't think so oh wow I don't think there's there's a little bit of difference when you're loading up you're not going to hit as fast you know if you're just trying to like touch someone you could touch them must faster but IL is fast as [ __ ] he's not slow at all there's no he doesn't have any disadvantages is he doesn't have any weaknesses man that's the thing that's why I say he's the new high water mark there's people that are thinking maybe he's the best pound-for-pound fighter alive like
there's a lot of discussion about that online it's a little premature especially when Jon Jones is still out there and there's other Elite guys that are still out there but Islam makev is another one you know like it's there real argument that he's the best pound-for-pound guy alive but it's [ __ ] close IL is he might be the best and if you think about volkanovski a fighter is never the same after they've been knocked out particularly a blow like twice in a couple of months time four four months time so there's already an injury there there's already a propensity to get KN to get knocked out there's a weakness and then you're going up against a fighter with that power MH you know or you think all he's going to need to do is just connect and he might be Sparco again who knows I mean I don't know what kind of strategy volkanovski will employ I don't know if they'll try to do something different city kickboxing the place that he trains at is very very very high level and those guys always have excellent game plan plans so maybe there's something they saw that volkanovski couldn't capitalize on because he was still dealing with the effects of the KO loss to makev which you know you get koed like that a bad one that was a high kick Shin to the Head those stay with you for a long time you might not be the same person so he might have fought still under the effects of that KO so now he gets knocked out again by Ilia now he's had a long time to rest and that's what you really need if you've been knocked out like that you need treatment there's like concussion protocols there a bunch of different things that people can do to help their brain health but like when Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan manuell Marquez Freddy roach didn't let him fight for a year he said no you're not do anything for one year not nothing I don't want you do anything you train that's it work out hit the bag you're not no fights years I know you've been sorry go ahead go I was just going to say it's it's a really interesting moment because UFC is very much in the ascendency when compared to boxing yeah but you've looked at all this Saudi money that is being pumped into boxing now MH and you know because previously you know the thing that ruin boxing as we all know is promoters not and you
know teams not wanting to put their great fighter against the other great fighter because they want to protect their asset y I'm thinking now you look at kind of the Saudis they're just going to flood they're flooding it with money oh yeah so are we actually going to see interesting fights again because at the moment you're starting to see it happen more and more in the heavyweight division yeah you're going to see it the the Saudis are doing a a great service in that regard like giving people fights they want to see because there's a lot of interesting fights that can be made if you can get benovitz versus Canelo for instance like that is the fight that everybody wants to see at 168 that's a fascinating fight benovitz at 168 is a monster and Canelo is the king so it's like that would be an amazing fight if they could get them to do that that would be awesome they might fight at 175 who knows but if they can do that if the Saudis can come up with enough money and the other one is Terence Crawford Terence Crawford versus canel that's [ __ ] interesting that's really interesting if they can pay them enough money to get them to do it because if they can pay enough money then what you have is a real competitor to the UFC because at the moment I and I I I like watching UFC but I'm I'm a boxing guy I love it that's how I was raised but con we always have an argument about it but it's undeniable that UFC is more entertaining because they're the fights that you want to see but it's not just that this is what I was going to ask you it's not just about the headline f the difference between the UFC and boxing is if you're watching UFC you're going to see five great fights right minimum right on a card right with boxing no one watches the undercard well the saud's doing a much better job of that Riad season's done a fantastic job of putting compelling undercard fights and that is also because they're throwing that money around you know like the ball um but better be a fight that was the Riad season put that on that was a fight that a lot of people didn't know if it was ever going to happen because so both guys are undefeated both guys are like world champions like you can make a lot of money just beating up other guys you don't have to lose your o and you don't have to have these two guys go to war
like this and all of a sudden it's made boxing interesting yep because lots of people are talking about sports washing and obviously that's a different conversation but finally now I'm seeing fights and I'm like I want to watch this fight yes yes it is it's fun it's a fun time to be a sports fan you know it's um I mean I mean probably like one of the greatest moments ever for Combat Sports like right now feels like it it has to be with the UFC cuz the the UFC is kind of redefine what Combat Sports are and it's the greatest time ever for the UFC and then at the same time boxing is still thriving yeah and it and it's it's becoming exciting because you're seeing great fights and it to for people like us who grew up in like the and saw the great fighters of the 80s and the 90s all of a sudden we see this happening again and we're just like ah actually I remember why I in love with this sport how about Anthony Joshua and duah duah is coming into his own man that's what that is he's only like 27 right y yeah he's he's coming into that guy's [ __ ] scary he's dangerous and you know the interesting thing was is that in at least the press in the UK they didn't give him a hope everybody was talking about you know like when Joshua gets de out the way then we can move on to the next fight and this is a fight that we want to see it seems like Joshua believed that going into that fight seems like he believed that he was just going to dominate him yeah and he just got ruthlessly exposed the power of De with I remember I bought into it I was like okay so I'll watch it but you know this is going to be a stepping stone match it wasn't a stepping stone aggression too man he was so aggressive he was just in the pocket constantly just forcing Joshua to go to war it was wild yeah and you rapidly became apparent that Joshua couldn't match him he just couldn't go to war with him and at the end this was this showed what the fight was like everybody was like look Jo to Joshua I think you're done and nobody crazy right after he knocks out Francis andano and like everyone's like you're back yeah you know I mean he flattened Francis andano and every was like oh Joshua's back look how good he looked yeah ruthless [ __ ] game man you mentioned and gar I'm so gutted I just heard Dana White say that that
fight with Jon Jones is never going to happen it's so I'm so gutted about that man yeah I'm going stay out of that one I love Francis I love Dana I don't get it I don't know what happened between those two they apparently have some sort of a personal thing with each other Dana says he's not a good guy everything I've ever every interaction I've ever had with him he's a great guy I really love talking to him I've had him on the podcast a couple of times his story about being a child working in a sand mine is crazy his story about making his way from Cameroon all the way to the coast and then getting sent back to the Sahara Desert like six times it's a crazy story you know being homeless in France and walking into a gym and then all of a sudden becoming the UFC heavyweight champion of the world it's nuts it's a crazy it's a literal story out of a movie M you know I don't know what their beef is no I don't want to get involved in any beef I'm just saying F Jones yeah I wish he fought Jon Jones but I'm interested in Jon Jones versus Stipe yeah I'm very especially if stipe's healthy I'm very interested in that can I I in no way wish to dis be disrespectful but it I just a Layman perspective a lot of people I have heard saying stpe is too old now we don't know we have he hasn't fought since he got knocked out by Francis and Francis looked [ __ ] unbelievable in that fight he was patient and calculated and his power is just so extraordinary that if he just catches you a couple of times you're [ __ ] I mean Francis hit so hard and so him knocking out Stipe was not as much as like Stipe doesn't have it anymore was it France is that good that big that scary a natural 265lb knockout machine yeah but Jon Jones man come on yeah Jon Jones is the the highest fight IQ of all time next to Mighty Mouse like [ __ ] man he's he finds a way to win you know and he's an unbelievable Grappler that's why that would be such a good fight his super high fight IQ use of distance better than anybody and then this ability to know how to win and can he win versus that guy cuz if you get clipped once just once what he did to Cain Velasquez just inside caught him with an uppercut you see Kane's just lights go out like Kane can take a shot man that guy's his power is different it's just
extraordinary but you you I think you hit the nail on the head he knows how to win and you see it with all great athletes they and teams that even if they're not doing well even though they're not fighting well if they're playing well they have that extra gear that they can go into and then and suddenly you go how did how did he do that how did they do that they were on the ropes makes people different and make I mean and it probably drives you crazy you know they Michael Jordan was out of his [ __ ] mind when he was at his best it's it's of course it's just John has looked you know I wouldn't say beatable but there are a couple of guys that pushed him two or three he was playing with his food it's mostly John was bored he was so dominant that he would not train you know when he fought Alexander gipson they said he barely trained at all and still beat him in the stretch and then the rematch wanted to prove a point so trained really hard and beat the [ __ ] out of augustson you know with JN it's a lot of it is he's so much better than everybody else like when he's really threatened like with Cormier then you see how good he really is like when he knocked out corm with that head kick and that's when you see how good he is when he's when he's pushed yeah when you see Jon Jones with a real challenge in front of him and hopefully that's the Jon Jones will see with DPE yeah let's hope stee pushes him list and gentlemen it's always a pleasure we just did like forever 5:00 here a long ass podcast but uh always pleasure talking to you guys man always a lot of fun appreciate you appreciate you thank you tell everybody how to see your show we're on YouTube trigonometry uh we both have a substack now as well so check those out too look at you fancy journalist fancy journalists all right thank you appreciate a [Music]