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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's up what going on brother good to see you good to see you so this conversation was well anytime you want to come on I'm always happy to talk to you but this conversation was birthed out of that crazy conversation we had in elk hunting camp which one you well yeah we had a we had quite a few of them where you just you will open up my eyes to so many things first of all I never understood the extent of the man [ __ ] in Afghanistan oh when we were talking remember we were hanging out in front of the trucks and you were telling me about mumbles yeah there's a few conversations I've had with friends that for the rest of my life now things are different like now I look at I'm like that one conversation that one hour conversation we had like okay the world's different now I you know I always assume people have heard these stories from Afghanistan cheers cheers you got to drink that Cheers Cheers Al Buffalo Trace so yeah the amount of man-on-man buggery in Afghanistan is significant and did they warn you about it before you went over there no no I think there was so many different things about both Iraq and Afghanistan that the learning curve for all of us was so high culturally you don't think about a lot of those things you just don't you just you know you grow up in America right you assume everybody every man is basically like an American male because that's at 26 or you know 27 years old you know that there are cultural differences for sure but I'm telling you I was in Kuwait for like the first time early on and uh the kaies like to hold hands like the the dudes like to hold hands and that's not comfortable like for guys isn't it weird though because we do shake hands yeah you know what I mean but you don't walk around holding another man's hand it's just not comfortable in any scenario but imagine have trying to explain that to someone who didn't understand like what makes it gay like at what point in time does like holding onto a hand does it get you know like there's like a meter like you can kind
of like hold on to hot potato for a couple seconds it'll burn your hand after a certain point you're walking around holding another man's hand and you've never really done it probably since you were a kid maybe holding your dad's hand when you're like three or four years old and in Special Forces they tell you you know you have to work with the cultural differences and they're just talking in generals like these are they're not specific because they don't know where you're going and you're going to have to work by with and through the host indigenous Force so you have to accept some of the things that the cultural differences and just go with the flow right so as a new Green Beret you know as you know SF guys you're just walking around holding another man's hand you're so freaked out about it you're like oh man oh man like what the what the [ __ ] does this mean like you know you're questioning your all your reality like oh my God you know like and and then after a few years um you know time and repetition and war or whatever somebody goes to Hold Your Hand you're like get the [ __ ] away from me I'm not I'm not doing that bro come on no no I'm not doing that so you gave up after a while oh yeah there's a lot of things you give up right you're you're taught in SF drink the tea eat the food you know yeah do everything that they do yeah just completely assimilate and honestly like a lot of that is really good because it does teach you to be a lot more open as far as lisening to what they're going through from their tribal plights like what are they going through from a combat experience what are they need and you want and you want to build rapport that's what you want to do and but rep after rep in a war zone you kind of get fatigued with that and then you're like yeah let's just get to the dirt here man like who do we want to kill like let's let's get to that and got it you don't like that tribe we don't like that tribe we don't like this you don't like that cool okay so I'm not going to eat with you because every time I eat with you I can't [ __ ] for like a normal [ __ ] for like a year so we're just going to not do any of that and you tell me you literally didn't [ __ ] anything but diarrhea for you said more than a year
yeah it was years man I was I was living and working with the Afghans and and I I went from Iraq and I did The Invasion with special forces from the south and I did multiple ations in Iraq both with SF and then with the the agency when I went over there and then when we did the when we shut down Iraq in 2009 I turned around and basically went to Afghanistan 2009 so I went from Iraq to Afghanistan and I went from Afghanistan kind of finished up my my CIA uh combat I guess experience and then went back to the states to do a training thing but by the time I got to Afghanistan I had lots of time in Iraq I had like four years on the ground and Afghanistan was way different but I was living and and working with the afghanis I was eating with them and your job is to not only train assistant advise build rapport but you're trying to figure it out so you need to be on the ground with them living eating breathing sleeping like the whole thing and their what we call the trow Hall facilities aren't the cleanliest you're trying like you're working with them you know you Institute different things like soap and water is like a good thing um and it doesn't really matter you're still going to get sick based on you know the water where is it coming from where what type of well Source like there's there's lots of different variables obviously but dude I I didn't have a solid [ __ ] for two years and I was just got normalized to the point where you know you're uh it's such a gross thing to think about man you could not trust a fart ever I got this great I got this great story so I came in off the gun trucks and uh and I'm tired I'm I'm like went into the embassy and I had a meeting with somebody in Kabul and uh I had this like titanium mug that was like the size of a toilet bow and I'm filling it up with coffee and I have slept for I don't know let's say 20 hours at the time I'm I'm [ __ ] dirty and I'm filling up this this uh this coffee toilet bowl basically cuz I'm getting ready to go into a briefing and I let out a fart and it wasn't a fart and the dude behind me was like I didn't even turn around dude I I
knew there was somebody waiting for me and I [ __ ] my pants and I didn't even turn around didn't even blink an eye didn't even like like lift up the handle cuz it's just normalized and he goes did you [ __ ] your pants I was like yeah I just turned around walked off it was like it was the deputy Ambassador or somebody it's like it was like the Ambassador right and I just like whatever dude I got I got [ __ ] to do I'm out of here yeah yeah that's that's to the point of which I had a permanent stain in like my combat my my fatigues right it's just so bad but I was like you know what man you got [ __ ] to do like yeah people adapt you don't you don't sweat little things like that and honestly you're just trying to like get through your you're trying to get through any and all things and it's not like we're entrench Warfare or anything like that it's just like dude I had [ __ ] to do I had people to train we were going out and I couldn't let that like you can't pull over if you're you can at times but there are just times where you just you just can't so you just got to keep moving and it sucks it's like the less glamorous side I don't know if like there's a lot of lot of books out there telling all the cool stories about that you know so when did you find out about the buggery um was it something that you need to Li yeah it was so it started in Kuwait and I had a I had a Arabic linguist and he was a younger kid um you know he was blonde hair blue eyes he's a Mormon kid and he literally joined the army at 18 you know two years later after going to the defensive language in insute in montere California you come out and you're speaking Arabic basically and young kid blonde hair blue eyes good Mormon kid comes out and he's with us and the kuwaitis kept talking about how they wanted to take him camping we're like why do you want to take that dude camping like what's so special about that guy you know and you're like after a while you realize like that's not what they wanted to do right they were like talking about it like either a joking way or a serious way but that's the first exposure yeah yeah yeah and then did it take you a while to figure that out yeah yeah
because you're so naive like dude I'm like I'm 26 years old like I don't [ __ ] know I don't I don't think this is a thing I I grew up in Idaho like I know yeah it exists but I'm so you know bleul like moving through the world like thinking everybody's an an American male right like yeah this is weird and then you know you go to Iraq or I went you know I went to Iraq and multiple multiple rotations over there and you start to assimilate with you the Iraqis you're either working with or you're training with and then it kind of starts to to to fall apart where it's like oh this is somewhat normal uh for them now they don't talk about it and I'm not saying it's like everyone by the way I'm saying like it's it's at least relevant enough culturally where it's somewhat normalized and not talked about it's very is this is it similar in Kuwait as Afghanistan or do they vary Iraq is different yeah they're all a little bit different um the afghanis we had to have um depending on where we were in their Barracks living situation like you had to put really hard restrictions like you know no no butt [ __ ] guys for the majority of this because this is a health issue we weren't like it's not like we were we were putting Bibles on their beds or something we're just saying hey this is really unhealthy you guys are going to spread a bunch of different diseases to one another and like we've got a mission to to accomplish here and every SF guy every guy that's like been in Afghanistan knows what man love Thursday is and it's kind of a it's kind of a thing that they do is it just Thursday or is it it's that's just a thing to say but it's just they [ __ ] each other yeah yeah they and so there's the kid with the blue eyes M and after a while you're like hey they don't really want to camp with him they're trying to [ __ ] this guy yeah exactly and then you start thinking like hey how much of this is going on that's that's it's exactly right yeah and and then you're as you're exposed to not more of it because you don't really see it you hear about it so as you build rapport and build confidence in your friendships and people start to talk about but um it is fairly pervasive and I it's it's one of those things that you just
kind of accept that that's happening from a good p a good portion of the guys and 50% 60% well what what we talked about when like kind of rewinding it's it's the the more disturbing factor is is it's it's socially IND doctrinated in the children like the sexual exploitation of children so it starts early and then it moves into the adulthood bachabi is a real thing and you know it's dressing uh boys to look like girls and they have some afghanis when I say some I don't know how pervasive it is but it's very it's it's a big percentage and the adult male stuff that's like one Subs segment of their culture but it's the uh sexual exploitation of children that when you find that out that's when things really turn for you psychologically you're like this this place is really [ __ ] and it's and it's very pervasive it's it's very it's it's a it's you know if you go back and you read The Kite Runner uh I read The Kite Runner when I was in Afghanistan I realized that you know it's not only the story story about this kid it's also the story of Afghanistan it's very very those stories run parallel because children are sexually exploited regularly and it's mainly the boys from what I understand to the point of which I was driving out out on this op I guess uh from kabell to Jalal Abad and when I first got to Afghanistan I used to see these truck drivers and I thought you know my dad was a truck driver it's really cool these truck drivers take their sons out with them on the road that's such a really cool cultural thing and my interpreter turn to me he's like those aren't their kids dude that's how [ __ ] horrible it is it's so horrible that they're on display yes they're on Parade even you were saying the guys would parade around their Herm candahar and different areas they'll they'll have parades and they're on display is to this is my herum and they're proud of it and that was one of the most disturbing things that we would talk about specifically between like the Departments between Department of State CIA and the militaries like when you're out with the guys from a a tactical in
combat role you see them and you interact with the way they are from a tactical level every day and you'd bring this up to manag and they would say ah that doesn't what do you mean that doesn't happen that doesn't happen or they pretend it doesn't happen but if you were on the ground in Afghanistan during the times I was there honestly from you know 2001 we'll say to the time that we pulled out everybody uniformally would agree with what I'm saying I I I if you if you spent some time in Afghanistan you knew it was happening Jesus Christ and did you see these parades no no we but National Geographic I believe did an article on it several years ago yeah bota Bazi I I could be getting the pronunciation A little bit off but it turns for you emotionally and psychologically because you're like okay now now I got some hate right right made my made me makes your job a little bit easier right yeah yeah makes your job a little bit easier yeah it also makes it hard harder for you not to want to change the entire government system where you you want to completely you know rewrite the entire DNA of the cultural infrastructure right uh because it's sad and it's it's evil and it's all of these like really horrible things so as much as you want to help the Afghans and their plight yeah there you go inside the lives of girls dressed as boys in Afghanistan the cultural practice of Bacha POS pcha that's a I think that's the flip that's the reverse encourages parents dress their daughters as Sons for a better future but often it only makes life harder that's a different so it's boys's Dr that's the opposite the opposite yeah girls dress as boys mm so this is a different thing yeah why do they do that what's that about girls dressing as boys well I think because well one there's there's a very low education rate when I come back to they get the kids educated if they boys women are are really seen as in Afghanistan I'm generalizing right I'm I'm taking really big swas of the Afghan culture so I know this isn't every Afghan I've got lots of different Afghan friends and I've hired a lot of
Afghans this isn't everybody what at this this is the dancing boys of Afghanistan go back up again show what's going on these guys are throwing money at this dancing boy back that up Jamie it was I just clicked somewhere random kind of trying to get back to oh what the [ __ ] man yes so those are like little boys they were dancing like strippers and these guys are throwing dollars at them yes yep oh my God this is so crazy and they're younger so they go much younger this is the like this is the thing that people didn't want to talk about in Afghanistan that we talked about regularly which was these are very what we feel are distinctly um wrong these are very wrong things from a a a American support tactical and strategic intervention like we should not encourage this whatsoever and it made it very difficult at times for us to uh trust with the state department or somebody else was saying but I mean this this goes back to you know Iraq and honestly trust in policy makers and the state department and their their entire you know position either politically philosophically it's it's just fundamentally flawed so when you're hearing about this and the the one of the things about um child molesting is that if these kids are growing up in this culture where they're going to be an adult and they're going to do that to kids as well which has probably happened to all these guys right like this is you you're not going to fix that with all these people alive like the culture gets to a point where it's so [ __ ] that it's like how do you how can you ever fix that how many generations would it take before the scars of all those people being abused wears off and normalizes and people can be normal again people can be like well we would consider a western civiliz civilization like London or right or New York how the the what we' feel is the morally appropriate cultural boundaries that's that's like how many generations would it take and there's lots of different things that you can talk about because the history of Afghanistan is you we'll say post 80s and Soviet uh
intervention and then you know with the Taliban push back or the mujahadin and like they've completely destroyed the education the progress and evolution of Afghanistan I mean if they had Decades of War then you had basically a um a failed state with Taliban and extremist control I mean as the Taliban moved in fundamentally it it's an evil organization uh I went there's a soccer field in in Kabul where the Taliban used to Stone women to death because they weren't wearing their hijab or the the rule of a woman would be raped and she would be accused of infidelity on her husband and they would Stone her or they would beat her with a stick and I they turn this soccer field into a place where they could have public displays for execution it it was completely insane when you when you think about it from where we're coming from and then where we're going and we're we're trying to uh Nation build which I have like fundamental disagreement with that as well but you you eliminated the educated portion of your population you swung to a very extremist based religion and then it was all uh based on the Quran as far as their education system so they completely separated the women away from being able to evolve they treated them as Beast a burden you had to be an Islamic extremist to be acceptable it was a completely uh uh hegemonic the ertical state or um hegemony as far as like it's the theocracy ran everything and it was a very extremist version of Islam and as we came in and I wasn't there in 2001 uh I came there much later it came there in 2009 was my first real rotation there it it it had been 7 years but really it it was almost like going back in time almost a thousand it felt like you going back in time like a thousand years that's one of the things we were talking about in Camp that when you hear about you know Socrates and all these uh ancient cultures the Spartans all these people that like had boys yes and you you you see what's going on in Afghanistan you realize like how old a culture Afghanistan is it's like one of the oldest civilizations in terms of like the way they behave it's almost
like they never caught up with the Western World I think it was um Michael shurmer might have wrote a book paper about this he wrote an article about how um Islam's the only religion that didn't go through the Enlightenment and that it's essentially maintains the same values and you know the same cultural values as when it was created so you know what how old is Islam uh 1600 I think I I think it's like uh 500 years past Christianity so we'll just call 1500 years 1500 years old whatever it is like that that's how people behaved back then that's what it is and when you think about like Alexander the Great Alexander the Great who was gay right who conquered much of Afghanistan and giant swaths of the world um he probably like his army and his behavior and what he probably stained that area with like a type of behavior I I I think you're 100% right I think that you had um portions of the world that were culturally cut off from being able to evolve at the same rate as some of the other places within the Middle East and those tribes essentially haven't had the opportunity to evolve because they've been very isolated I mean you look at Afghanistan it's extremely isolated area of the world and uh if you go back to' 70s it was relatively Progressive somewhat secular and then the Soviet intervention the collapse the failed State led to the rise of the Taliban because they had eviscerated uh all of the the intellectual and the economic class and in order to succeed or live there you had to completely capitulate to the theocracy and the fascist state so you had to go back in time to live you had to grow a beard I and when I say this is that everybody is 100% no I'm saying like this is the way people live they lived under tyrannical rules that provided zero opportunity for you know if you had girls sorry they Beast of Burden they treat goats and donies better than their girls their children the homelessness of children in a war zone is so heartbreaking like it is it it strips away at the goodness in your soul watching desperation and uh when you see homeless children every day in these
cities that are dirty starving uh and there's really not a lot you can do because you know you have a war to you have a war to fight and you not only think about it from the homelessness position you think about the exploitation position like these kids are so [ __ ] they're homeless they don't have parents because maybe their father's worry their you know killed in the war their mothers can't they they can't afford to keep them and they continue to have more kids and especially if they've been raped then there's a cycle of not only exploitation and violence but then it's also uh it it keeps them down economically so you have uh massive amounts of children that were homeless and exploited and they're starving and it's you you you from my perspective when you live in that environment and you can't think about it like you have to shut that stuff out because if you think about it it's like opening the door of the submarine all the water's coming in all the water's coming in it's going to [ __ ] sink yet so you have to you have to build a for a lack of better ter man you have to build a cous on your soul Soul o cuz you can't function and uh meet and exceed your mission success criteria if you're going to if if if you get steamrolled by depression on what you're seeing every day oh my God time and repetition which is one of the big problems I think with the gwok community or at least what we've had in the last 20 years I mean there's lots of different compounding factors that I think contribute to the acceleration of Veteran suicide which I I I don't want to like launch into some like rant about the issues that we're I think we're we're all faced but it's it's definitely something that I'm extremely passionate about yeah I'm really hoping we've talked about this a bunch of times in this podcast but I'm really hoping that something's going to change with RFK in about uh psychedelics and Veterans I really really am hoping that they open their eyes to this stuff well like I was talking to Marcus Capone and he runs vets which he's the guy his organization is the organization that takes the guys to Mexico to do
iag and Marcus is a retired seal I was talking to him yesterday actually and we I I I I'll go off on this which is you know we as a subculture from the the global war on terror Community the veterans we're under an epidemic of suicide and depression and and the VA has not been a help to us like especially the war Fighters like the guys that are we have rogered up time and time and time again they've gone overseas we've done the bidding for the country we've watched our friends get killed and [ __ ] torn in half in like very ultraviolent ways we've been exposed to overpressure and chemicals and all these other things and then we come back and within the VA system their answer is here's your pills here's your retirement shut the [ __ ] up and it's not working you know Marcus and I were talking about this yesterday he was on anti-depressants for seven years seven years like anti-depressants they weren't working and he just by chance his wife I believe um said this might work we needed to go to we need to go to Mexico and do Iain this might work so here's a guy that went did it one time he's never been on anti-depressant since did he have to get off them before he went there and did it no I I I I don't know exactly what the protocol is as far as like you have to get off and then you have to get back down there I know that most of my friend group now they' they've done it and they have an extremely high success rate you know vets has done a thousand uh former War Fighters and they have an extremely high success rate where they're eliminating Pharmaceuticals so they'll go down they'll do it one time maybe they've done you know subsequent sessions and they have this really high success rate and this is part yes this is part of the issue is we're under an epidemic of Veteran suicide like more so than we ever have and the worst thing about this too is it's also affecting our family and our kids like our kids are four times higher to commit suicide than our Piet so it's not just it's not just the gwatt veteran Community now it's our families and and our and our children you have something that has such a proven track record to help
heal vets and we can't do it without breaking the law we have to leave the country it's insane so you can send me to Iraq under false pretenses and you know you can have wolfowitz and Cheney and rumsfield and all these this like Orchestra of [ __ ] idiots can send us all to Iraq uh with for weapons of mass destruction we can go fight the wars come back and now we have to break the law to go fix what's wrong with our our heads or you know our emotions our our our not only our psychology but dude we're broken like we've been beat up and kind of shoved in a closet and then we're sedated and told to shut shut the [ __ ] up and meanwhile you know wolfowitz and Bremer and all these other guys they get to walk around and provide you know public speeches about how [ __ ] great they are because they're you know strategically important whereas my peer set we're under an epidemic of suicide our kids are committing suicide the the VA is no help to us and we have to go break the law it's like you get to go flip a [ __ ] coin and paint some paintings and you think that everything's okay and that one doesn't make any out of all the ones that's one that mushrooms you can do recreationally no one's doing recreational IA I've never done it before have you done it no I've never done it but everybody that I've talked to that they said it is one of the most like ruthlessly introspective Journeys in your life you don't it's not fun at all Dakota Meer told me he's like I [ __ ] hated it I couldn't believe someone made me do it after it was over I was like what the [ __ ] am I doing it's not a fun time it's not a recreational drug it's not a drug of addiction it's not a drug of dying it's not what's the L let's find out what the ld50 rate is for IBA gain it's probably bananas it's probably just like silos Ian probably can't really overdose on it no I don't know that I don't know IA game might kill you it sounds really crazy potent most of my my close friends of done either iar or iig gain neither of which they would say is a good time all of which have said all of which 100% And uh they've come back and been not only fundamentally changed but better and
these are you know my business partner Jared Taylor he's G and done abigan and uh and then multiple other people that probably don't want me to talk about them on the podcast guys that have been on 15 20 different Pharmaceuticals can literally scrape them off their dresser into a garbage can the day they get back crazy and the fact that we aren't trying to evolve this section of the medicine I know that Stanford did a study I'm not exactly familiar with all the data associated with it but the the fact that we aren't leading the charge as a country to come up with Dynamic out-of-the-box Solutions for the guys that have gone overseas and you know done the the hard and courageous task for this country and they come back and they can't get help and we're not pushing the envelope that's a crime I mean I've got lots I got lots of issues with you know Iraq at this point right I mean it's fundamentally uh I've told this to people like Iraq is with me every day right Afghanistan was was a part of my life but Iraq fundamentally changed me for the rest of my life and I think about it every day it's not going away it'll never go away and what about Iraq that was much different than Afghanistan that changed you um well it's the first war experience I had and you know for me I was like hookline and sinker regime change you know move we we've got to find weapons Master destruction we've got to eliminate the threat we got to fight him there so we don't have to fight him here everybody thought it was real hell yeah yeah I mean there was nobody more motivated to go to war than than me you know I mean I'm sure there was but you know what I you were in that group you were gungho oh 100% it's not only hey we're going to go to war we're going to do something good for America these guys attacked the United States we're we're going to eliminate the terrorist threat uh and you know war is it is it such a strange and surreal circumstance because it changes you for good it changes you for the bad and I've looked at this a lot and I looked at like life experience like a a a radio wave almost like a band
where you have highs you have lows and most people we'll call it 90 plus per of the United States their their frequency only gets so high and only gets so low and it basically stays within we'll say a a fairly small band within the center combat what happens is you go really high and you go really low and it forces you outside of social norms on a second to Second basis and then you do that over and over and over again and so one person might get in a car wreck in their life and that goes really low so it's a really high adrenaline dump and it goes really low because they have an injury that's like one thing well going out in a combat zone multiple night like not only multiple nights a week sometimes you're doing multiple targets a night you might go you might be getting in what what the rough equivalent of an adrenaline car wreck what the rough equivalent of a wreck from an adrenaline dump and a high and a low you might doing that three or four times a night and then you're doing that night after night week after week and it fundamentally changes you because you have to chop all of this down because if you get too ramped up and too chaotic you're going to lose control and you won't be able to complete your mission criteria if you get too low you also won't be able to achieve your mission criteria you're survival instincts kicked down so it chops your ability to feel all the way down to a normal person's bandwidth because it's a survival mechanism and this is just my own assessment so from a combat experience perspective the first time you feel it and I'll tell you I mean the first time I was uh in an ambush I was losing my [ __ ] I mean anybody tells you they're not [ __ ] scared they're either like fundamentally flawed they're like Travis pastron doesn't have like a fear portion of his brain or they're just lying like you're scared out of your [ __ ] mind like going north like driving north into Iraq you're you're looking into the deep dark abyss of the unknown and you're like what the [ __ ] am I going to be a coward you know am I going to live am I going to die I mean our casualty
projected casualty rates was that we were going to lose most of our Oda so you're you're stepping into a situation where you're going okay well I know out of this six shooter that I'm going to play Russian roulette with there are four bullets in this oh my God and you're driving north going okay let's [ __ ] do it so you've already capitulated and given yourself up to die which is it's actually a a very cathartic and I think personally an experience that you can evolve from because at that point if you're dead you can live uninhibited like everything I do from this point forward is is gravy on on the steak man I'm already dead right I was driving north in in Iraq and I like through like the desert and my best friend and I are like driving north and and you have like hours to stare off into the [ __ ] sand you know you're you've got night vision goggles or whatever I had a whole fictionalized funeral for myself I just [ __ ] what else am I going to do right you're just like driving north you know and there's nothing going on so I had a whole fictionalized funeral I buried myself and so I was already dead or at least I felt like that and then we get in her first engagement and the world starts cracking apart and your mind can't keep up to what what's actually happening you you'll hear the gunfire and you know I felt I felt the explosion I looked in the rear ofie mirror of the hve which sounds crazy I looked in the rear mirror and um I saw this like car size chunk of fire flying behind the vehicle like so distinctly remember this and I'm turning my my my team leader and I'm like we got to get the [ __ ] out of here you know I'm like losing it right so stupid that's so stupid we got to get the [ __ ] out of here you know I'm like losing it dude I'm just [ __ ] losing it and he's like and he's cool man he's like calm cool he's on the radio you know he's like you know vehicle one you know or vehicle 3 this is vehicle one vehicle 3 this is vehicle one and we're checking to see if we have Cals between us and the other vehicles and I'm [ __ ] losing
like get the [ __ ] out of here you know it's like okay CU I mean you know you're used to like watching movies or whatever it's the first time anything like this has ever happened right and and at this point you know the full Insurgency hasn't kicked off that we're hunting fetene the these guys weren't the most sophisticated cats on the planet they they weren't that good so but we end up pushing through and then consolidating at the end of this and fundamentally this this like changed my tactical experience in combat forever because my team leader who I respect and loved he was killed two years later he's one of my best friends was my best friend um he turns to me and he goes hey man if you don't have a solution to the problem just shut the [ __ ] up that's great advice I know that's great advice across the board yeah and uh I was like okay Roger that you know I was like okay [ __ ] Roger that man and then it became a practice discipline when shit's going super sideways and you know bullets when bullets are flying I I I hate sounding like that I don't want to say I don't want to sound like that at all um but that's what it is dude you you keep your [ __ ] together and then I became by the time I my my last ambush in Iraq I was in was my I saw I'll book in this experience with them ambushes uh I was in mosul and I was in a a little BMW trying to work my way and I was I was working a b basically low like you're you're trying to fly under the radar you're low viz CIA at this point so we're trying to blend in we got hit at a checkpoint and they light us up and so now I'm alone in a car with another guy and the the CIA chief and the entire Iraqi Army in mosul Iraq is essentially pursuing us through the from I mean mosul is the size of Los Angeles and I started at the North End of Los Angeles basically and had to work my way to the southern end of Los Angeles being shot at and um and I'm trying to sort through the problem man like I got a [ __ ] map sheet and you don't know I mean this is this is Mad Max in the [ __ ] Thunderdome and mul was one of the most [ __ ] up cities in Iraq like it was it looked like going back to Stalingrad in different sections of this place it was
a complete [ __ ] show and I'm alone with my you know the guys with and and I'm trying to navigate through the city and help the driver we we're being pursued from from literally north to south yeah being shot at and we're going okay right turn right turn right turn and I mean I have the I have like the the dragons are at the bumper they're going to [ __ ] they're going to pull me out of this car and chop my [ __ ] head off like they're going to turn my car to Swiss cheese are going to [ __ ] chop my head off I'm dead we're dead and uh I have like I brought up um KY was they were on station we had a really good really good relationship with these with these guys and I was like hey you know you this is me I'm in a you know black BMW like and uh you know I'm moving you know uh uh from north to south and uh and helicopter came back oh I know who you are [ __ ] you got the everybody following you cuz we not all checkpoints are created equal and for whatever reason they decided they were going to kill that day and I mean you don't have time you're not going to sit around be like why do you guys want to kill us well we're just good guys you know uh you're just going to keep moving I had to work my way all the way South um to a bridge and I had like one last one last [ __ ] Hillary man like we had to get across we had to get across a bridge into a place called Diamond back and I didn't have a qrf because they couldn't pin us down a quick reaction force and um like the kai was like they they saved our life cuz they had they had the roads blocked off on the bridge and I was basically smoking in like 100 [ __ ] kilometers an hour and the kai was came down and like literally dropped their [ __ ] skids on the front of the on the on the front of the car and panned around like we're going to kill all you [ __ ] wow and I looked over at one of the guys I looked over and like flipped them off and it was like you dead you know and then like uh like parting the Seas like Moses or whatever they moved the [ __ ] cars and we we drove back in and that was that was it so book ending my point of that conversation was I was losing my [ __ ] the first one right and I I came back and I was talking to
the kai and they're like bro we didn't know how bad this was because it sounded like you were ordering a pizza but everything everything in between was like like rep after rep after rep after rep was like sh like calm down keep your [ __ ] together and one of my really close friends uh this guy Jeff Kirkham my first team Sergeant like awesome [ __ ] guy like one of the most tactically relevant people in my life uh he's like psychology is more contagious than the flu so when you start losing your [ __ ] oh that's so true it infects everybody else around you what a great quote psychology is more infectious than the flu that is a great quote Yeah man that's so real so real real that's so real that's so real with everything everything everything it controlled every piece of what I would do from that point forward like lose your [ __ ] in in a gunfight and then you infect everybody else around you yes rise to the occasion be the calm and the chaos become a you know even if you don't feel like it even if you're you're wigging out man like of course internally you can't you can barely keep your [ __ ] together but what you do is you're like okay but I got to I I got to project this because if I infect everybody else with my chaos I'm injecting more chaos into the equation and we're all we we're all going to run the possibility of dying because of this because of my actions I think that's why people gravitate towards inspirational figures is because they're trying to get some of that psychology they're trying to get it worn off on them you know great quotes and great feats and Fascinating People you want to absorb some of that psychology that is such a great great quote though because it's so true if you're around someone that's freaking out you're trying to keep your [ __ ] together it's so hard to keep your [ __ ] together you you can't if you're around a bunch of dudes just surgeons and stoic yeah and they there's no flection I would say is like in the time and repetition in the community I mean there's a default emotion that is acceptable it's you know
anger right so anger and when I say Joy it's like Joy from callow's humor typically right but it's like you have to everybody becomes a stoic yeah nothing can phase you and if you are a guy that is phased you're a liability you're a liability you're going to get chopped yeah you're infected yeah exactly yeah so Iraq so going back to what what what I was talking about with Iraq I'm supercharged and my reality started to kind of crumble is uh we met we went up we were on the first odas and we we did this joint Op with the CIA to go meet this guy Madel solder this is early on this is like March of the war and M oader became a prominent figure later on in the in the war he was really relatively well like not not known at all in beginning of it and was working with the the CIA case officer at that point not just me it was like my entire team and mdle is like he he's a he's a bad guy like he's just a real piece of [ __ ] and at that point in on theja was this town and uh we went out did a meeting with him and we came back and all of us on the military paramilitary side were like this guy needs to die like we need to actually go and he has a small Armed Force he's basically going to be the instrument of the Iranians and we're having this big debate in the team room and everybody that carried it gone like we speak we speak Animal Kingdom we know when there's a threat right and then we had this case officer who was like a you know ad junk professor at [ __ ] Georgetown guy didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and we're like this guy needs to die we need to go like get on him now and um case officer was like no he's going to work with us you know we're like they wanted him to be an asset yeah like this guy is a [ __ ] stupid like this guy's a he's a Shia supposedly Shia cleric you know if you know Iraq you got 60% of the country it's typically going to answer Iran you've got uh 15 20% is up north it's the Kurds and then you've got the rest is is Sunni and we're like this guy's not going to [ __ ] work with us I this guy's a real piece of [ __ ] and he's already spinning up on militia he's
going to be a problem no no no no and we're like okay like you're the you're the big brain on Brad you know you're the you're the PHD man like sure you know so we aqua and years later I don't know how many guys died going into going back into najaf trying to find this [ __ ] guy I don't know how many I mean it was a whole basically surge push of probably a division to try to go find this guy but we had the opportunity to kill him right there like literally we could have like he had less than 40 guys on the compound we could have like gone out and got him right like that night and uh and then he became a problem and not only he become a problem it was like the the the decision makers were so poor at that point in the early in the war it started to really affect me in the sense of like I I was still bought and sold but I start to really think these guys might not know what the [ __ ] they're doing when um was like wolf witz and Rumsfeld um Brennan um when they deified Iraq so after we invaded they they did this thing called de bath vacation which was basically they fired the military and everybody that was involved in the bath party and we're we once again we're in the team room we're watching CNN and it's Rumsfeld talking about we're we're we're deifying Iraq we're we're we're firing everybody and I'm not exaggerating everybody in the everybody in the team room was like what the [ __ ] like you guys like you guys are you guys are going to create the Insurgency like it was on the ground that moment that second like I wanted to throw like I I wanted to throw a [ __ ] brick through the TV like I I I was like these guys are paint by numbers creating an Insurgency they have no [ __ ] clue what they're doing and that was like that moment which is fairly early where I I lost a lot of confidence in the decision makers but okay you know the the question is why' you keep going back well because you want to try to search for meaning and you're trying to
find the the actual purpose like what is the purpose like are there wmds here like are there you know like legit um direct traces back to 911 are there things that we're doing that are going to directly affect and Protect America and you're kind of searching for it and not kind of you are like that's what you're doing or at least that's what I was doing and by the time by the time I left in 2009 um uh I just figured I was going to die like I was like [ __ ] this place like [ __ ] like like um I lived Iraq right and then I was like well I think time and repetition and thinking that you're dead for that long and then searching for not only some some what I would say is good in the war itself because there is good you have your buddies you have the camaraderie you have the adrenaline but you also think you're going to [ __ ] die every day for years on end and that's not fundamentally turns out it's probably not good for you psychologically I guess and so I went to Afghanistan thinking well and I went to train afghanis for um a force up there and when I went to train those guys it was hey if I can train afghanis to take on the War uh maybe I can protect 18-year-old kids from getting their [ __ ] legs blown off you know maybe I can protect the you know the 20-year-old kid from Nebraska from getting a [ __ ] RPG stuff through their face um and I was older and I was also willing to die so the kids when I say the kids you know 18 20 years old like man it's not not you know it's not fun to watch those want to say that that's an understatement it's so heartbreaking to watch a kid that's never been to [ __ ] combat like die it it changes everything in your life and so you go from you know Iraq to Afghanistan you know and I'm watching all this stuff unfold and there's like there's and I don't want to say it's all negative because there's there's you
know there were things that were very positive but uh I'm so Jaded by the time I get there that I'm like well if I can save some Americans I'll save some Americans and you know if not at least this will be an interesting experience uh and then you know and there's a launder list of other things that we can talk about I I don't want to get so [ __ ] down I guess it seems like it's impossible not to once you're going back on it and there's how could you not and the the overwhelming negative experiences the overwhelming horrific experiences well I think that's where I have this massive distrust in politicians like they and I think that's part of the reason they have they have squandered the courage of the American servicemen in these these forever Wars that we've entered in under lies so like you know wolf of witz and W and rumsfield and and yeah and sorry man I don't I don't have any respect for those guys like I don't not only do I not have any respect for those guys I have a I have a profound amount of hatred for their arrogance cuz I'm in my 20s I'm I'm I'm not making excuses but you know there's plenty of guys like me that were not only hookland and sinker and I still would I'd still sign up for this country I think service is a remarkable uh courage it's courage and service back to our community is something we have to cherish like we do but when you have an orchestra of idiots that are manipulating the courageous man and women of our country to go into these wars based on a neocon pipe dream and there's no consequences you know you can pull out of Afghanistan only billions of dollars of of equipment who the [ __ ] got fired but if I made a mistake if me and my buddies made a mistake we we [ __ ] We Lost Our Lives we go to jail like we lost our clearances and I'm not trying to sound like a whiny [ __ ] I'm just saying like no consequences for these guys nothing nothing nothing you know they get to go paint paintings and they think it's okay imagine no consequences for lying about weapons of mass destruction and has there ever been a
large-scale investigation as to what led them to either believe or to push the narrative that there was weapons of mass destruction well I think if you you read I mean I I I mean there's there's a lot I think there's a lot of like um there's a lot of books out there obviously and whether or not you have to kind of sort through the ACT ual documents and figure out like where these guys were at and I've spent a little bit of my life trying to understand from their perspective and I honestly think big part of it is the guys who are making the decisions um they're hubris they're utopian belief that they were going to be able to rebuild Iraq like Houston you know like oh it's an oil country you know and you know they really believed that if they didn't reign in this Rogue nation of Iraq that Iraq was going to eventually contribute to terrorism and you had guys that were so consumed with their intelligence when it flipped to not only huus but they didn't have wisdom they had intelligence the wolf witz is a smart guy he's he's not an idiot the problem is he's not wise these guys weren't wise men M there's a difference between having an high IQ and having the experience and repetition seeing death and destruction seeing people's lives [ __ ] torn apart and then understanding something from reading a book or thinking about it from an economics perspective and you know I think Wolowitz Rumsfeld Cheney they had this belief that they could do anything they wanted to validate this and they did they had to data mine information and Pull and pluck from different analysts that agreed with them but the most of the Intel Community didn't agree with them they're like we had defeated the Iraqi Army to the point when I say defeated it like if we go back to the 90s we say Desert Storm was 91 and then from that point forward you can basically say you know HW to Clinton administration Clinton administration with the economic sanctions and with the integrated bombing campaigns that they had led throughout the 90s we had essentially stuffed that guy back into a hole where the only thing he
could do was sell oil on the black market and he had a really he had he had a fascist state where he he and his family had you know complete control out of the country but he wasn't going to be a threat from an international terrorism perspective that's just false it's not only false but it is patently false and they had to mine the data to validate it they had to lie they had to uh sift through and find and pick and pull the pieces of information and they really thought this was going to be a [ __ ] Cakewalk they did because of Desert Storm you think they thought because of Desert Storm and what they and they were listening to these assets like um uh talii and some of these Iraq former Iraqi Exiles and they listening to these guys who by the way were also manipulated by the Iranians and paid for by Iranian Intel guys they Iranian assets they're listening to these people and they were living in their own Echo Chambers validating this this idea that it was better for regime change for the international not only the international economy but it was going to be you know a a a stable uh petroleum based country where we could integrate democracy and none of these guys were arabis none of these guys actually understood the Middle East not one they didn't have any combat experience they didn't really have any combat experience from the long-term low intensity conflict uh Guerilla Warfare perspective they were given not only the information but they were given a most of the information they were given was was saying this is going to be much more complex than you think it's going to be and they denied not only the opinions but the information and they went ahead with their [ __ ] plans anyway rosfeld chopped single-handedly dictated how many people were going to participate in the war like he was dictating how many divisions that was going to take and he's like actually I think you could do it for half that like he was like trying to negotiate how many guys that Tommy Franks was going to use to invade Iraq and Tommy Franks didn't have the balls to say actually I need two more divisions so a lot of this is just like fundamentally these are professional politicians and bureaucrats drinking their own piss like I was saying earlier
you know like you can drink your own piss once or twice before your kidneys start to shut down and it'll [ __ ] kill you right these guys are all sitting around in their Echo Chambers talking to the same types of people defining how they were going to send servicemen and women to Iraq and they were wrong not only were they wrong but they were told otherwise by lots of different people to include I mean uh Tony Blair had a lot of different issues with this Colin pal essentially sold this and got the domos to fall on the entire thing because he they knew that col pal was so respected that if he sat in front of the UN with tenant who was the director of the CIA right behind him and held up this little thing of of you know VF or whatever it was that they could push it across the line from the International Community I mean these guys were crooked man and not only were they crooked they were so fundamentally wrong and there's no consequences nothing zero consequences they put Martha Stewart in jail yeah yeah theyd go after Trump for [ __ ] two years on you know Russia collusion it's like you spent $7 trillion in thousands of Amer lives hundreds of thousands of lives in Afghanistan and Iraq and you're saying you're going to put this guy through the ringer for 2 years because there might be some dossier that was paid for by the clintons like who's the criminal and so for me I get all wound up when it when it comes to this because rep after rep year after year my my two closest friends in the world were were literally uh one torn in half by a a efp which was a direct a a Iranian manufactured shape charge you my other friend was turned into [ __ ] moondust and I mean these are my two closest friends in the world my guys I grew up with in in in the army that I spent every [ __ ] day with and uh I since then I've had obviously more friends but I mean those are the two closest friends in the earliest part of the war so I'm so directly affected by this because it fundamentally changed who I was forever um it it gave me a profound amount of mistrust in in my government
you know the decision makers I don't believe I actually don't believe what they're telling me anymore I have I have a lot of skepticism when it comes to the people that are pulling the the the handles in government and I have to go to my peer set and what I told people is man my my my my currency is courage right it's like that's what I broker in so my friends that have gone through the gwatt which I'm extremely happy for all these gwatt guys that are in like getting appointed to these positions you know you've got Pete you've got Tulsi M uh JD like they fundamentally know that what war is and when you have decision makers that have never been to war and they're kids will never go to war and Cheney's kids never went to war right W's kids never went to war right rum like and none of these guys by the way they're all Vietnam era guys none of them went to [ __ ] Vietnam so it's Trump trump didn't either right you got a bunch of deferments but I think the difference is is that when somebody's saying stop the endless Wars right I I am more than happy to go chips in on that narrative than I am to go oh we need to invest in and put more time money energy into creating more chaos and destruction in the American Service members lives or the lives of other people did you ever see that um speech with Mike Pence and Tucker Carlson no Tucker Carlson essentially ended Mike Pence's political career really in one speech yeah because uh this was when Pence was running for president and Tucker was sitting there with him and Pence was talking about getting helicopters and tanks and weapons to to Ukraine and he was explaining how uh they were being incompetent because they weren't providing them with what they needed and Tucker went on this ran see if you can find it it it's Pro I bet you could find it under that here it is listen to this the whole thing you want me show the Tucker part cuz it's the four it's four minutes long let me hear what he says just start right where your cursor is click where your cursor is we'll let somebody transfer some Jets I'm sorry Mr vice president have you I know you're running for president you are you are distressed that the ukrainians don't have enough American tanks every city in the United States
has become much worse over the past three years drive around there's not one city that's gotten better in the United States and it's visible our economy has degraded the suicide rate has jumped public filth and disorder and crime have exponentially increased and yet your concern is that the ukrainians a country most people can't find on a map who've received tens of billions of us tax dollars don't have enough tanks I think it's a fair question to ask like where's the concern for the United States in that well it's not my concern tuer I've heard that routine from you before but that's not my concern I'm running for president of the United States because I think this count is in a lot of trouble I think Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad and as president of the United States we're going to restore Law and Order in our cities we're going to secure our border we're going to get this economy moving again and we're going to make sure that we have men and women on our Courts at every level that will stand for the right to life and defend all the god-given Liberties enshrined in our constitution anybody that says that we can't be the leader of the Free World and solve our problems at home has a pretty small view of the greatest nation on Earth we can do both and as president of the United States we will secure our border we will support our military we will Revive Our economy and stand by our values and we will also lead the world for Freedom under a my Administration I promise you amen vice president Mike Pence thank you very much just that that's not my concern that's not my concern what the [ __ ] are you talking about why how would you ever answer anything that way that is not my concern that's not your concern you don't you don't think he just made a really good point that we're we're really confused is to first of all aren't we like a trillion dollars in debt how do we have no we're $ 355 trillion dollars in debt like it's crazy crazy how do we have the money how do we have the money to send to Iraq and we don't have the money to fix our cities how do how and how can you say that's not my concern that what that is is the opposite of what Trump is that is nonsense talk not that he doesn't have nonsense talk but that is not a a re a person's real feelings that
is just political speech that's just we're going to clean up our country we're going to preserve the right to life memorizing sound bit exactly exactly and and that's the entire problem with Washington right there yeah exactly they memorize sound bites they say one thing they do the other thing exactly exactly completely they've lost the trust of their constituents they've lost the trust of the American public and by the way it's Administration after Administration it's politician after politician there's it's not it shouldn't be a surprise people don't like politicians I mean look at that guy he's a [ __ ] robot he's weird he's a weird dude he's weird you know they kept trying to say JD's weird JD's not weird at all I met that guy he's [ __ ] cool he's normal smart as [ __ ] I could I could hang with that guy he could be my friend like he's not even a little weird no that guy's weird I mean I guess anybody who's that smart is weird you know people go to Yale people that like he's weird in that way like that's an odd dude you don't see a lot of those but normal that guy's bizarre like his face doesn't move did you get BOTOX at 80 like what the [ __ ] is going on like you're weird I think they have low IQs and they're pushing that thing to the red that's why they're actually so afraid to do anything cuz they're like I have they're like I'm really pushing this thing I've got like a hyy like a 105 but my parents were rich so I went to Yale and if I break outside of my box actually people are going to know that I'm a [ __ ] [ __ ] so right well I to also think that if you're that ambition you have ambition at that level uh and you are so driven to become the alpha that you want to be the president the amount of work that's involved in that doesn't leave a whole lot of room for reading uhuh doesn't leave a whole lot of room for watching documentaries and having important in-depth conversations with people expanding your understanding of the world it's very narrow they're basically actors a lot most of these people exhibit a lot of the traits that I see in actors this uh desire to morph oneself to please the people around you the saying the things that you think people want to hear because you want to get ahead it's it's
all like very similar they're actors and the fact that these actors can rise to a position where they can actually dictate what these military veterans do and don't do when they have no knowledge or experience in this no that's the fact that that's a real thing is [ __ ] crazy it's really crazy I I mean I think that's but by the time I left I was so jaded and the motivating factor was oh sorry I I I was like no man will ever have control over my destiny again like I won't I will not I will there's I will not put a bit in my mouth yeah for another man in the government they will not be making decisions for me yeah I don't I don't think we can recall a time in our history where we did trust the government but this is which is such a weird thing to say you know I used to think it was the Obama Administration but boy Obama during this KLA Harris admin she he it changed my opinion to that guy really did you have a high opinion of it before I did yeah I did just as an intelligent person a Statesman I I felt like he's probably like caught up in the system it's very difficult to make real meaningful change you know you think you're going to do something and then you get into office and you're like oh God what a [ __ ] Quagmire this place is but watching him just straight up lie about Trump that the thing that got me was that very fine people thing with the white supremacist thing they just kept trying to say that he was a racist which is this thing that I I think worked in like 2017 yeah you know I think it worked back then I don't think it works anymore I don't think people believe it anymore I think that we've gotten numb to all this stuff it's a sky falling thing right it's like cry wolf or whatever it's like you guys can only call you only call me a fascist so many times I mean like the New York Times wrote that article a couple years ago right where I'm like it was the front of the coffee cup where was like do you want trp 2024 do you want low taxes do you want this that I'm like I want that sounds good and uh like you can only call me a fascist racist [ __ ] I mean to be fair like I am I can float into the [ __ ] category relatively easy buted only when prompted yeah it's
uh you know one of my [ __ ] favorite things of this whole election cycle has been yesterday when Biden Biden and Trump sat down in the White House Biden voted for Trump I guar it I [ __ ] guarantee it I never saw that dude so happy in his [ __ ] life he lost his party lost he was happy when when Obama had to shake hands with Trump and do the whole transition thing Obama looked like Jesus Christ look at look at look at his [ __ ] smile dude Trump's like uh whatever D look at his [ __ ] smile man that's it's like when your kid gets married that that dude looks like a hairless cat look at him it's great first of all what have they done to him what have they done to his face go back to the other picture cuz it was more highres look at his mug man first of all for sure he's got something going on with his forehead they Botox the [ __ ] out of his forehead they gave him a face lift for sure it was a bunch of different things they did which very ill advised by the way folks look at Trump he looks like [ __ ] no one cares everyone loves him you don't you don't look better if you get your face pulled back like a lizard he just more look more like a lizard everybody thinks you're a lizard already but look at that smile that motherfucker's never been happier in his life in his life he's like that [ __ ] she went down you can't tell me he wasn't happy like when he put that Maga hat on you ever see that oh yeah yeah he put the Maga hat on he took it with him on the plane I'm guarantee you I guarantee you that [ __ ] was happy he had a giant smile on his face he said welcome back to him I thought it was Hitler I thought he was dangerous that's what they all said right it's like hey this is the the he's a threat to democracy and then all of a sudden it's like ah hey we're going to have a smooth transition here this was the guy that you said was sharp as attack he was going to up until four months ago four months ago that guy was going to be running again and now here he is smiling like a Cheshire Cat how big was his SM that's a crazy smile man he looks look he looks like he's wearing a mask uh he might be there was that one fake Biden did you ever see the
fake Biden yeah the tall guy that guy was so much taller the guy was like 6'4 he's a giant Biden it made no sense they're going to smoke that one by us like it's like dude this guy's like you know 67 could be playing in the NBA he was so much taller they showed Jill and him together Jill's like like what happen that's a different human being totally It's So nuts man it's so nuts all the different things that happened during this election are wilder than anything you've ever seen in a [ __ ] movie it brought I think it it brought so many more people into politics too and people like the more people pay attention to what's going on with politicians with the country I don't think that's a bad thing because right I think bureaucrats and politicians alike they directly benefit from people not paying attention yes and so they only want you to pay attention once a year when they're going to try to get everybody galvanized around a couple little stupid things and then get them out to the voting booth but not too many like we don't want a lot of complex thought out of the voters we don't really want them to think about too much right because you know we still got uh we still got a national deficit that we got to increase and I got to line the line the pockets of all my buddies yeah you know rathon North Grumman and and locked Martin like we don't want them to get in too far like don't don't start talking about the reserve or don't start talking about any that other stuff like I think that's what it is well I think that's also why politicians are some of them at least are terrified of podcasts yeah because you do have to talk about them but that's what makes guys like JD and guys like Trump unique in that they will just sit and talk with anybody I mean he sat with Theo vau Theo talked to him about doing coke that's awesome it was so funny Theo's amazing it was amazing Theo's an ability to be himself no matter who he's talking to and him talking to Trump about how he used to love to do Coke was like and Trump's just sitting there which was super funny by the way s like this poor guy like you see Theo falling apart in front of you like Jesus Christ I thought I was running for president here I think I might have to
help this young fell who do who do I need to talk to you about this but like you know kamla didn't have the ability to do that or if she did nobody brought it out of her I was hoping I could I really was I was hoping I could have a conversation with her there's all this talk now that the reason why she didn't do it is because of um Progressive people in her party the push back right which might have some truth to it but for the record they offered me two very specific days and um in different places in the country to travel and then go do it and do it for an hour I said I didn't want to do that and especially after Trump had done it here in three hours I'm like this is the only way to do it and Elon said it best he said he goes you could kind of [ __ ] someone for an hour because goes hour two and hour three like that's that's when the real you comes out yeah you're you're going to get it's the real you you're going to you're going to tear the layers off the onion right so% 100 it might make you cry yeah and more you peel it the more you might be like oh this person's [ __ ] stupid how much are you bullshitting the world right and the the the quote about Trump or the narrative about Trump has always been that he's bullshitting everybody that he's a con man he's definitely very persuasive you know Scott Adams has wrote about this pretty much in depth about how how well uh Trump practices the art of persuasion you know the art of the deal he's great at making people's friend and making relationships and if you're his enemy [ __ ] you scorched Earth you know it's like this and there's fear of that you don't want to get on his bad side there's all this like there's this art of like how he negotiates and it's gone through this years and years and years of business but but that's him that's the the guy's right there you could talk to him about everything and anything he's right there he's not protecting any of his ideas he called a girl he allegedly slept with horse face when he was the president on Twitter it's so funny it's the wildest [ __ ] so you're getting what you get that's who the guy is and you love I like him I I've I've grown to like him I I had a much more negative opinion of him back in the day because it was there's only so much you can pay
attention to and do deep Dives on before you lose your [ __ ] mind and with him I was always like oh that guy to grab him by the [ __ ] guy it's probably not good for the country that seems crazy but as time went on I was like oh you need a guy that is completely crazy to expose how corrupt the whole system is and how they all collude together and how they all they all say the there's all these montages of clips of news organizations saying the same narrative outright over and over verbatim word by word they're getting fed this by someone some entity some they're somehow or another they're collaborating and they're all choosing this very specific narrative and they're running with it and they're trying to destroy people with it and I saw them do it with me yeah I saw them do it with me during the covid thing and it was all motivated by the pharmaceutical drug companies and the profits and they were terrifi that someone's going to come along and somehow another put a a notch in this little thing that they've created which is a a devious little thing that they've done where they eliminated all sorts of other remedies they they cut out all these generic drugs that possibly could have been used to help people they denied people the use of monoclonal antibodies they pushed the [ __ ] [ __ ] out of this one thing so they could make money off of it and they did it in collusion with the media no one acted like a journalist no one looked at the excess deaths no one looked that the instances of myocarditis and young people no one looked at any of that there was no journalism it just showed everyone that the whole system is bought and paid for it's all corrupt and the only way you could find find out who a person really is is to listen to them talk for long periods of time it's the only thing it's the only truth serum we have left and even that's not 100% effective but it's pretty good it's pretty F your brain knows [ __ ] you know you ever like met some guy and like he's dating this girl that you know and there's just something about the it's like what he's shaking my hand he's being nice to me and I'm like I don't trust this [ __ ] like something's gross about this guy and then he find piece of [ __ ] but it's always this thing like you feel something if you talk to
someone long enough there's patterns in the way they talk the way they think the way they uh consider things whether or not they can admit that they're wrong or whether or not they can tell you why they changed their mind whe How did they form their narratives like what what bad paths were they on and what personal correction did they make and how long did it take before you got to a better place you learn about people when you hear them talk for long periods of time you can't fake personal growth you can't fake like stuff you've learned you can't fake flaws that you're willing to expose to people so that they they could perhaps see them in themselves you can't fake that and all those people like Mike Pence he's got zero of that you can't sit that down that guy down and have a conversation a real conversation with him he's so afraid of I honestly I don't think he even knows who he is guys like that don't even know who they are yeah yeah they're they're like actor like my buddy Dave um we were talking yesterday you met him the other night like I've known him for 20 years like it was a lot of fun dude you know we met in Kabul back in the day Dave Dave and I like we go way back and he's good friends with Bruce and with my friend yeah crazy like cuz he was team guy right so he's like former CL CIA guy and D I were talking about this and when you when you can just be authentically engaged with people where you can just be yourself and and that's part of the issue with I think a lot of vets is and why they like why they connect really well with fets is because you can just authentically engage with people and say I this person knows I'm a little bit broken this person knows that I've probably done [ __ ] that I'm not super proud of and they know that I've got a dark sense of humor but I can like just kind of open I I can open my heart and just have a real conversation and that's the [ __ ] you chase yeah where you can just be yourself and you can talk about stuff and you can like try to evolve the way you're thinking and feeling right and these artificial [ __ ] conversations that we have throughout our day with people we don't give a [ __ ] about or these like you know inauthentic
unreal you know veneer people it's like I have no interest in having a conversation with a fake person stupid that the best thing that I took out of moving Ming to Texas from moving to La I have way less of those conversations I have almost none of them here my conversations with here are like with normal people right they're normal so many people are infected by the rhythm of Hollywood which is just about people trying to become successful and the way you become successful in Hollywood is you get chosen because you have to go on auditions right that's the that's the primary right the number one top of the food chain well I guess rockar Rockstar and movie star are number one and number two maybe interchangeable maybe they're the same same if if it's a 10 like biggest stars in the world it's 10 movie stars and rock stars and movie stars everything you do is about your relationships with people and whether or not people think you align with them politically and whether or not you support the right causes you are the bow tie the Oscars you act proper you do all the things that you're supposed to do and if you do all the things you're supposed to do then you get into the club you know and if you don't do all the things you're going to do then they're not going to use you they're going to use Daniel Craig they're going to use this guy they're going to use that guy they're going to use Dave Bautista they're going to use the rock they're going to use there's so many guys that want these roles and there's only so many good roles right especially if you're going to be a male movie star you know like so no one can color outside the lines and Dennis Quaid is like one of the rare few like male movie stars who just [ __ ] completely gave up he's like I support Trump I support I'm I'm a I'm a Christian you know I sing gospel music like [ __ ] you I quit and he did this Reagan movie it was a Reagan movie okay it's about it's about a 1980s president they wouldn't let him advertise on certain social media networks because they said it was during the time of the election and it could affect the election what was it was it Facebook like what what what kept Him from was it YouTube or Facebook some one of the social media Outlets kept him from
advertis ing this movie which is a great movie about Reagan where he plays Reagan he does a [ __ ] amazing job it has nothing to do with today it's about a guy who's dead he's dead he's been dead forever right he was dead his last year in office he [ __ ] full on altimers I that's the thing with this this whole social media you know censorship demonetization like the way that they've they've they honestly and I want to say they like there's big group and you I mean you were talking about it the other night even with your show with the Trump show and then it's not trending you can't even find it the Firearms community on YouTube deals with this all the time oh yeah all the time you know the guys that have the huge YouTube channels from a Firearms perspective sure they they're demonetized they have to upload multiple times they're in like a my good friend Collins [ __ ] Noir his [ __ ] show he can't get it to grow he can't get Instagram to grow he's like completely stifled and they're they're keeping the lid on this I mean like Brandon Herrera was say after he was on the podcast Facebook acknowledged a mistake and lifted the restrictions yeah you acknowledged it look at this he Express belief that Facebook labeled the content as an ex attempt to sway an election yeah like the the entire thank you Facebook they in their dispense but that's what they said it was just a mistake Jamie I'm just that's what they said Jamie it's just a mistake yeah the the entire Firearms community and it's weird because we when I say we we talk about it all the time like whether it's you know the biggest YouTube channels on for the firearm space they're constantly battling trying to keep their channels up this is a constitutionally protected right right and because there's a difference in political opinion they can they can tip the scale right which is completely insane to me there and there's a lot of traffic I mean you think about some of these really big channels that are out there these guys drive millions and millions of views people obviously want to watch and they can't increase their reach or they get demonetized and they're constantly screwed with over and over and over again and that's the way that we've I
think a lot of us have felt we've been living under the thumb of you know our our our social media oligarchs that are deciding whether or not our information is agreeable to their political opinion and it's like did I ever tell you the time that I was having a conversation with a Facebook or YouTube executive and my wife had to grab my leg under the table and stop me seriously in Hawaii okay so I'm with a friend and my friend was a uh an executive at Google very nice person great no problems with them we're all having a good time we're sitting down drinking and talking and uh I had a couple in me and uh this lady who's a big wig at YouTube sits down across from me and we start talking and uh I said when it come so we get into this conversation it's a very friendly conversation nothing problematic at all I don't think she knows even knows who I am and this is a long time ago so this is like 2015 14 so my podcast is not that big right it's not that big at all let's I can tell you exactly when it was when did did Sam Harris and Douglas Murray have a convers when did uh the strange death of Europe come out tell me about that that's uh Douglas Murray's amazing book that has been proved now to be absolutely accurate in his assessment of what was going to happen to Europe with Muslim integration essentially the guy nailed it and um him and Sam Harris okay so you have two public intellectuals who are having a conversation about cultures and about the what what is different about these Islamic cultures and their desire to impose Sharia law like at least in certain areas so they're having this conversation and it gets labeled uh as it gets flagged off this guy's account so I find out about this video because this guy has an account and he I don't remember where he posted it maybe Twitter but he said I got flagged on YouTube for having this in my playlist as something that I watch like not even something he hosts on his channel so uh I asked the lady I said why would someone get flagged for a conversation she goes it was hate speech just like that just like that it was hate speech I go can do you remember the conversation because I watched the conversation I don't think it was hate speech at all she was def it was
definitely hate speech like but but it's between two public and then my my just CL my cuz she sees I'm [ __ ] I'm rabid now I'm like it's two public intellectuals having a conversation about a real thing that's happening in the world and there's there's no hate speech in that there's no slurs there's no degrading of uh people in generalization of people there's no racism this is not they're they're talking about real cultural differences and how they're going to affect Europe and this [ __ ] lady just to it's hate speech the the arrogance of the way she said it to me and she was a big executive and I was like oh boy I was just boiling I was boiling and thank God my wife grabbed my leg she [ __ ] she grabbed the [ __ ] out of my leg cuz I was ready to go cuz the lady was going to engage with me and and I was like okay this this is a podcast now you're [ __ ] you're [ __ ] [ __ ] you're [ __ ] you just you're just lucky there's no cameras here what you're saying is absolutely crazy like who are you to make that distinction and do you have any idea how that affects us culturally when a person like yourself who lives in this [ __ ] San Francisco this whole bizarre Tech cult bubble that's what you live in yeah and you you want to impose this crazy leftist perspective on everyone in the world to the point where you're not even allowing two world-renowned public intellectuals have a public discussion about this in front of an audience dude I I would deal with that all the time where people I would talk about the Middle East I spent most of my adult life in the Middle East I I was in Iraq I was in Jerusalem I was all around the Middle East and Africa and I would just say I just don't agree with the way that Saudi Arabia runs right I don't agree with the monarchy I don't agree with uh Islamic Sharia law I don't agree oh you're a [ __ ] racist and you're like what no man I just don't think that it's the best way to go about it right like buch of different ways people live it's like no I'm not a racist I've lived there i' I've been there I've spent a ton of time there I think this is better uh and these are the reasons why and people didn't even want to have a conversation with oh you're racist well this is what's crazy you have to be able
to have those conversations even if that person's Lo wrong like if someone wants to get on YouTube and tell the world why Sharia law is better I think they should be able to do that I let them do it and let someone counter it and let them have debates and Sam Harris has had a bunch of debates like that you can watch them online they're amazing let people figure out who they agree with and if you just shut down discourse and say that it's hate speech and you're defining hate speech is no slurs there's no like we got to kill all these people there's none of that there's no hate in this conversation you're saying hate speech is disagreeing with a narrative that all leftists must subscribe to regardless of any objective assessment of the facts any just sitting down and looking at it and go you know I don't think I agree with this aspect of it like I think that like telling and they have to wear hijab everywhere that's you're not giving them the choice you're tell Cho not giving someone choice is just fundamentally bad for the race for humans it's oppression it anything outside of a meritocracy in the context of being able to evolve a conversation based on the best idea wins and when you're chopping out 50% of your population and saying their beast of burden and where they belong is just essentially depl yeah like this is the problem that I have with this and anytime that I've had this conversation around the Middle East where like these are the things I don't like about it and I mean there's lots of different things it could be the you know the the the the Arab men will typically wear this very long uh open bottom uh Garb right it's it's typically referred to as a manand dress like God I hate that thing this thing's stupid like I've had to wear it you know and I [ __ ] did you wear underwear did you wear underwear it sometimes [ __ ] your pants I've wor I've worn a hijab like we were talking about yeah it like I had like a tiny little like belt-fed machine gun and I'd have to wear because I'm a small guy right I'm [ __ ] 60 pounds and so I would often be the woman because I could I I could be the [ __ ] I got a feminine frame man yeah yeah I've got you know birthing hips of course but uh you know I could get a little saw with uh which is a squad automatic weapon a
little belt-fed machine gun a couple frags underneath hijab and I could sit in the back seat oh wow it's like surprise [ __ ] I'm not a woman picturing you with a hijab and a belt fed machine gun under your dress is [ __ ] hilarious so it's much fun man like I did you have like a thing where you could pop it up like a like a Loki jacket yeah yeah so you'd Velcro so we had we had a whole department in the agency where they they would like design costumes and [ __ ] for you so you could I had like I had this fake mustache I got a picture of it I'll [ __ ] send it to you but I had this fake mustache and like they would put Tanner and fake mustache and and like sunglasses I'd like drive around looking like Saddam half the time like like that [ __ ] America World Police movie oh yeah full on and and it's so funny because like you'd have like a no [ __ ] a person putting makeup on you before you like go out to do something you got a fake mustache and you know or for me I'm like just give me the job I already know what I'm doing give me the [ __ ] put me in the lady thing be the fat girl are we allowed to wear makeup at all or the Islamic women allowed to wear makeup under their hijab or not yeah they they can depending on the on the on where they are um some parts they don't let them do it some parts yeah depending on on how extreme they are but if you went to Kuwait or something like that they would flash it you know signify it signify that they're they're they're like racy you know sassy little little Hy these eyelashes oh my God I saw our nostrils I saw our ankles this [ __ ] is wild H isn't it wild though that that religion the absolute most suppressed religion suppressive religion when it comes to women and gays are the ones that the progressives are so vehemently defending like that's the one they defend over all religion you can be like a leftist will accuse you readily and quickly of being islamophobic it's a great thing you shut you down you it's a great Majora of but no one ever accuses you of being an anti-christian no one it never comes up no one no one there's not even a word right you can have islamophobic is there a christianophobia is prejudice against Christians does it exist I don't know I
mean it probably doesn't even it's like Hony you know it's like a racist term for white people cracker work Caucasian Cy male I don't even know what that means it says christianophobia or whatever christianophobia see that's I've never heard anyone utter that that's too much garble go you can't say it fast islamophobia is kind of fun yeah islamophobia flows it sounds like you're intellectual MH well this this podcast is filled with islamophobia first of all let's just discuss this this is really important we need to direct them to feminism but I think that's so funny because when I when I listen to academics you know I'll pull up a YouTube and I'll go down a rabbit hole on a certain thing and I'll listen to an academic and then half of them uh I shouldn't say half of them like a good portion of them they're talking about things they've never actually experienced so for me I I've lived in the Middle East like I've I've I've lived in Jerusalem like I've lived and interacted and been in these cultures on a and and seen them in a very Vivid way I and when I say this like tactical and combat experience specifically in these countries it's it's it's very Vivid and part of the problem with um you know this differentiation let's go back to it but this differentiation between the decision makers and the people actually implementing the the Tactical execution on the ground is that there's a huge disconnect from the reality they don't have the wisdom to understand what it is and what I used to tell people is like I was almost like a zookeeper where I would Usher depending on the person I would Usher them through the [ __ ] zoo so they could see what's going on but they would see it from afar I kept the lions from eating them right and there's this very clear differentiation between the people in charge and most of them shouldn't have been in a combat zone specifically in the agency they should have not have been in in a combat zone and when you unpack the agency and you look at you have paramilitary guys and they're more than more than qualified to be there and then you have like the cocktail circuit
guys and they they're just trying to get their combat tour so they can get promoted to another [ __ ] spot but they actually have no business being there meaning they need guys like me to keep them alive like they oh so they just like like getting in days for that's all they're doing The Ledger there's a very famous uh Infamous uh case officer from coast back in the day and I was on the ground there not in Coast in Cobble at the time and she was being groomed to be the assistant director uh there's a great book on it called double agent but I was on the ground when it happened and she had this um uh ask that she was trying to get in which is a agency asset that she was trying to get into a basin coast once again this person has no they they should not be here like they should be in in Germany going to a cocktail party like pretending like they're really cool because they have high intellect but they have no context to going down to the basis of reality and these are like rules of the Jungle like this like this power is the only language they speak like you can't intellect your way out of this thing like CU a [ __ ] bullet is a bullet a bat is a bat like it will win over your articulation every time if you want to win a debate and you just put an axe handle through somebody's [ __ ] head that's how you win right that like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter so like they bring in this asset and she's like oh you know this this asset is the guy he's going to give us the the coordinates to Ben Laden we've been working with him him for a long time he's an amazing guy it's his birthday he wants us to bring him a cake so she bypasses all the security systems bringing in a guy from Pakistan so she gets him cuz he he's like I don't want to go through any security I'm your trusted guy I don't want to go through first I don't want to go through any security so she tells security stand down she doesn't tell anybody about it she brings this guy in through the gate like blows him through now the security guys mind you are like what the [ __ ] did you just do they're running down to this situation to try to get ahead of it he steps out and he looks like the Michelin
Tire Man and [ __ ] clocks off oh God and three of my friends were killed in that suicide bomb she was killed ultimately and but that's a perfect example and I I mean there's like multiple different examples of there's a different Cadence mindset and capability associated with what I would say is the paramilitary guys versus the case officers the spies they're just totally different guys right and they tried to intermingle because of capabilities and more importantly promotions to try to get people like promoted which is another reason why like some significant things have to change over there and they got send people to you just to you were supposed to protect these people yeah and so they could be collection officers on the ground I mean like T Time After Time example after example I had this guy in uh this town called lash kagar on the middle of [ __ ] nowhere and oh before we go there so let's rewind it Iraq I had a I had a I had a spy that we were working with and they're called case officers and the Agents and uh and uh we go out to pick her up from the Airfield and we're like bringing her to where she needs to go and we pick her up and she gets in the car behind she she gets in in the car behind me and she takes out her pistol she points it and I'm in the passenger seat she's right behind me she takes out her Glock she puts a magazine in it racks the slide right behind my head like directly into the back my head oh my God and I turn around I'm like and I'll tell you exactly what I said I'm like what the [ __ ] are you doing as I turn around I'm like give me that thing like and I called her I called her some like very rude uh uh very rude things right so I'm like what the [ __ ] are you doing don't take your pistol out I go if both of us are dead then think about it but I'm gonna keep this you just don't have it anymore so I gave her back I actually gave her back the empty pistol I was like listen if both of us are dead feel free take take one of our take one of our guns take both of our guns I don't give a [ __ ] because I'm dead but I get back in
and the the chief of base of the time pul pulls me in it's a [ __ ] super good dude and he's like calls me he's like hey man I heard you had uh quite an exchange with uh somebody and you know I we don't really appreciate you know this and you know I might be I might have to say you home I was like did she tell you what she did he was like no I just thought she got in the car and you told her like you know you [ __ ] dumb whatever and give me your gun I was like no she racked her slide into the back of my head and he's like oh God get out of here I'll talk to her it's like oh God get out of here I'll talk to her like oh Jesus forgets but it's it's like do they even have to show competency and weapons use yeah but it's it's it do they go through the same sort of program everybody thinks there's like this Jason Bourne type person you know like spies or Jason borne or something like that it's like it's just not fundamentally correct like any soft guy that any soft guy is so more much more proficient Firearms I taught a uh selection in vetting course for former soft guys that wanted to come into the the agency and I I taught it for a couple years and I was one of the main Architects behind the selection criteria and um and we would have to go out and train spies and I would shoot their qualification course with my left hand like on two hours of sleep still half in the [ __ ] bag like it's just so like ridiculously it ingrained yeah and more importantly it's that's not their job right they're they're their collection people and I'm I'm defending them to a certain degree because they're very high IQ their selection criteria in their course is very prepared for that no they they don't belong in those places like when you go into the when you go into a combat zone and when it's a a very complex because there's different different areas in combat zones and some of them are more dangerous than others you can't have some of those people there it's too dangerous man it you got to have collection people that are on the military side that can handle themselves unilaterally and you can't have like your regular hum hum drum spy this isn't Jason Bourne they're they're they're not
competent more importantly that's that's not their thing it's it's the thing of proficient artisans in combat collection and the Art of War and that is a very subset Niche profession of guys that are extremely competent and very very dangerous why do we want to believe in a Jason Bourne I think love that Nar they love that narrative some super spy double 07 dude that can [ __ ] everybody up it's fun right it's like oh we we noticed you're you're uh you're a you're you're a really good boxer in your local gym and you went to Yale we're going to recruit you like get the [ __ ] out of here that's so stupid a judo Champion yeah he's a judo Champion you know it always start C like oh man we we noticed you're hitting the bags and you you know you're a political science major in Yale there's a guy with glasses and a hat on watching you run around the track I think we found our man if they only knew the bureaucratic steps that it took to like get into it where it's just like so much paperwork and interviews and it's and it's like who is this guy what has he done and well what's Wild to me is the spies that infiltrate terrorist organizations like there's um there's people that are in the IDF that have infiltrated Hamas they live with them they're in they're in there Lots isn't that crazy yeah imag so respectable that life that life is nuts man worried you're going to be found out and these guys knowing Hamas knowing that a certain percentage of these people have to be Israelis well that is so crazy that they do that when you have those guys and can we need those guys like I'm not oh yeah can we need those guys must be so exciting the non-official cover the Knox yeah like that's that I I I mean that there's so much respect well you were explaining that one guy that's Professor yeah well so yeah I mean out of all the guys like I I had such a unique ride in history in times right where you know looking out the window kind of just being a passenger in history and then being able to talk to some of these guys and I would sit down and I would always find like the older guy that's in the you know the we we have like dining halls or agency has their own separate
dining halls and bars and [ __ ] like that and I sat down with a guy one day and I was just like hey man what's your story you know and he was telling me he was a he was an anthropology Professor the University of Washington and he was he was he was finishing his PhD and he was crossing the McKenzie Traverse in Canada and he did it in Era appropriate clothing in a canoe and the whole [ __ ] thing right is is completely insane oh my God he's like so insane and I was like oh how'd you get in you know and that's so he's making his way across he gets to a cabin he's starving he's going to die he he's he's explaining this to me he's he's like I'm going to die I break into this Trapper cabin I find a bunch of old like old canned food I Gorge I I just like engorge myself and now I have the screaming shits and I'm like wiping my ass with this National Geographic and I pull out this ad and the agency used to have ads in National Geographic and he thought to himself wow that's that's really interesting I should apply so he applied when he got back imagine the scenario you're [ __ ] starving then you're eating botulism filled cans of beans with pork and [ __ ] wiping your ass with the National Geographic you see I mean it's a [ __ ] scene in a movie it's it's insane that's a scene in a movie so right it goes back to University Washington becomes a professor the agency he goes through the entire process the agency recruits him he goes through training but still he he has to keep his his double life going and so he starts a life as a double life and in fact mhm becomes a professor while he's in the agency correct wow so from the jump he's got a double life it's not like he gets recruited he's some Nobel Prize winner and they say we need you to be for America yeah wow in his first job I'll never forget him describing this to me because I didn't know I didn't know any of this is so it's part History part just agency history and he goes my first job was I uh flew to Angola and I just had a suitcase full of money and they dropped me off in the middle of nowhere and they're like go kill
Cubans that was his job Jesus Christ just a bag of money that was one straight directive okay and so in defense here that's cool as [ __ ] pretty wild it's wild they trust that guy here's a bag of money yeah go kill some Cubans because you had uh the you know it's it's a proxy war right between uh South Africa and um that it was the Soviets and the Cuban byox they were both supporting each other they were both supporting the Communist Revolution Angola so we are pushing back as from the states perspective we're pushing back against the um Soviet Intervention which was driven from the Cubans so you had a huge you you huge Cuban Intervention which is something most people don't realize and I just thought it was fascinating because it was the first time I heard about it and here's this guy that his job was here's a bag of money go kill Cubans that's your job W he's a professor W he's a professor so he'd be like going so he' go back to you know whatever University and go okay kids um I know I've been out on a dig you know and I've been building you know atlal in Australia trying to do this but really we was in Angola hunting Cubans holy [ __ ] that's pretty badass they that's way better than Indiana Jones as far as I'm concerned cool writing on the chalkboard and [ __ ] thinking about gun and D down okay and then plus the five yeah who here can answer this nobody nobody nobody can that's so he never tells anybody anybody no and he's still I mean so I guess with a guy like that if you can find a guy who's willing to wear era uh era equivalent clo clothing would you say era correct clothing and make his way through a trek that was most likely going to kill people in the 1800s you know who did something like that he didn't do the whole thing but ranella the way I met him was he he had a first he had a show before me medor it was called the wild within and I got really addicted to it seriously yeah yeah yeah I used to love way before I ever went hunting I used to love watching hunting shows yeah I used to watch like Ted NJIT Spirit of the wild my wife was always like what the [ __ ] are you watching but I was always obsessed with hunting shows and Wilderness shows people in the
wilderness cuz every time I'm in the woods I feel like it's a vitamin I'm like oh I'm getting this vitamin so I was like I wanted to like experience more of that in my life so I was watching on TV so there was this show called The Wild Within and what ranella did was he like I think he used like error correct weapons too I think he used like a musket and he shot a bison and he turned the Bison into like a I think it was a bison whatever the animal was he turned it into a boat he made a boat out of it and drifted down this River he did like all these things that these Pioneers did back in the day when they were making their way across the country that sounds awesome it was pretty dope that's how I got to meet him that's how I got him on my podcast before meei there was ever a show oh okay yeah he was super dismissive of a podcast now he's got one he like like what am I doing here I'm in this comedy club with his [ __ ] dudy smoking weed like this is ridiculous I feel like there's a lot of people that probably dismissed it they're like oh what the [ __ ] is Joe doing but now he's got a great podcast of his own I love that guy to death no he's awesome he's he's such a smart dude too he knows so many things he's a a fascinating guy to talk to because he's super well read and he he can talk to you about all kinds of [ __ ] that you would not expect from a guy who's a professional Hunter no you know he he talks like a PhD it's very but also like a hunter very unusual dude and like one of the very best guys to explain hunting like I saw a debate that he had it was like a I think it was a book that he had released and he was doing one of those talks they do at bookstores and this guy was a vegan and the guy in the audience was a vegan the guy got upset with him and the renella handled it so perfectly the just the way he communicated with the guy and explaining his perspective and you have a different perspective and I'd love to have a conversation with you he didn't do with any [ __ ] Ted n's like ah you [ __ ] grow grow another vagina but but ryell is like the the perfect answer to people that objectively they look at it they go wait a minute I do eat meat like I am a hypocrite I am hiring a supermarket Hitman like why am I upset at this man
who not only hunts his meat but Cooks it and writes cooked books and it on television and like this is the same thing like what are we doing here this is so stupid you know and then you've got the people that really believe that you shouldn't eat anything but plants and my problem with that is I think plants are smart I think they just move real slow and I think they have a way of interacting that is noticeable and measurable I think there's probably a Consciousness to plants I think I think life eats life and I think that's the only way it survives and I think that's just the way it goes that is just the way it goes and you choose to just eat plants but I don't think you're going to be as healthy I just I think it's too hard I think people could kind of survive on vegan diets and do well on vegan diets there's athletes that are on vegan diets I don't think they hit Peak Performance and Thrive I think that's all people who are consuming nutrient-dense Meats meats and fish and eggs those are the people that when you look at athletes the predominant the the best athletes in every sport are all consuming protein they're all consuming animal protein there's so few that are vegans that that hit Elite status and maintain a lot of them get injured when they switch to vegan 2 there's just so much in there collagen and b12 and [ __ ] there's so many different aspects to different amino acids you can have this ethical thing in your head and I get that ethical thing like I don't want to see a thing suffer I think plants suffer you just don't feel it right I really do I think there's a communication with them that's probably similar but different to the way we feel about animals getting killed by other animals I think it's just a part of this whole process I mean they've shown that you can take the recordings of beetles eating leaves and play recordings of beetles eating leaves near a tree and the tree will experience distress to the point where it changes the profile the the flavor Prof of the leaves it releases chemicals these phyto chemicals into the leaves that makes it disgusting for the bugs and they do it with giraffes like when giraffes eat I think it's acacia trees when giraffes eat acacia trees the trees downwind all become disgusting to the point where the
drafts will starve because they they won't eat it they CH they change their flavor profile to protect themselves they release some sort of chemical it makes them inedible well I think that's so interesting I because you can see it with um who's that Paul stamus has like you when the fungi is like talking and communicating and the health benefits to like fungi and different plants like I think anytime you have this edict where no meat no plants no I I think that's just another version of religious extremism where yeah if you were just to say what makes sense what what's morally what am I going to have to co Less in from me I I don't want to be a hypocrite so I hunt like that's the way it is and we we eat a ton of wild meat I'm not a hypocrite we eat meat I love fish I love I love fruits and vegetables but I think if you're making this determination where there's no meat this is the only thing I'm going to eat well one and that's a lot of time effort and energy that you're spending specifically on your diet constraints that could be allocated to uh being a better dad or well maybe they could do all those things too maybe I don't know I think their philosophical point is a good one I think their their ethics the the morals the their perspective is that I want to live a life of with the least suffering possible I think that's Noble I really do I think the problem is life eats life and I think that's the real problem and I think the problem is if you're buying just vegetables in the store boy you need to take a good look at monocrop agriculture cuz it's [ __ ] bananas yeah you know there was a Taylor Sheridan in Yellowstone there was a scene where Kevin Coster was talking to the hippie lady is trying to like shut down ranches and [ __ ] I forget what her her thing was but um was explaining how if you're on a vegan diet you want to kill the most things become a vegan because you don't understand like if one life is one life okay if the life of a gopher and the life of an elk are the same thing and why wouldn't they be you have no idea how many things have to [ __ ] die to make monocrop agriculture it's it's a blood bath they kill everything they kill
groundhogs ground squirrels you [ __ ] name it ground nesting Birds fawns everything gets gobbled up by combines it's an enormous industrial operation it's not natural so now you're limited to organic plants okay so if you're growing all of your own food and you know you're growing a lot of soybeans a lot of different things like if you go hemp if you're in a place where you can grow it legally hemp is actually a really good source of protein it's actually got a very complete amino acid profile you can you know you could survive you could do it that way but if you're a regular vegan if you're just a person who like I give vegan pizza at the Supermarket shut the [ __ ] up you you're contributing to this Mass Slaughter of small animals you're just not aware of it have you have you watched that Netflix docu series on it's basically vegan propaganda I forget what it's name is it the game changers that's one the movie yeah I know they got did it I had them on oh I I thought it was fascinating like from a wide variety of reasons but more importantly so I went and got some vegan cheese and he like tried it I was like okay it's not bad but I mean dude it's it's a laundry list of ingredients associated with making this which is seems pretty insane to me versus what's the ingredient on a good cheese milk right so this thing's like a like a dissertation of ingredients and it's so processed that is literally what it is if you want want to be I said that a million times you want to be a vegetarian eat Indian food they make delicious delicious vegetarian food you don't have to eat [ __ ] vegan cheese stop pretending stop lying stop eating tofood or whatever the [ __ ] that [ __ ] is get out of here get out of it get the [ __ ] out of here that's nonsense what are you eating just and go also eat mollusks people should look into that those things are so primitive they're way more primitive than plants we just have a problem with them moving that's all it is if if people like they don't even have nerves they don't feel pain they're the [ __ ] the simplest of organisms yet their protein is like animal protein it's really good for you do you eat oysters oh yeah eat the [ __ ] out of oysters every down then I hear
about some dude dying yeah I eat asaro but every now and then I hear about a dude dying from oysters so we are in Normandy this is super funny funny story so I I went out to the 80th anniversary for the Normandy invasion took a bunch of dudes out there and my kids and I are out on this beach and I'm taking my pocket knife out and I'm just chopping the oysters off the rocks and eating oysters straight out of the ocean oh wow and my girls are running away from me they're like this is the grossest [ __ ] I've ever seen and then pretty soon they got into it so then they're trying to find me the oysters to bring them back and show me where they are my wife was like you're going to [ __ ] die like you're going to you're going to poison yourself you're eating these like right out of Normand like the the it's one of the beaches out there are in the water I'm like I don't give a [ __ ] and then I had to but I'm eating them and I quickly searched hey are there are there any toxins after I've eaten like three are there any toxins in the oysters in Normandy thank God it was like you know 99.9% I live I live on the edge here yeah when I lived in San Francisco uh you could collect oil um muscles there was like muscles that were on the Rocks but then I I think I brought them home once but then I found out that there's like a couple months out of the year that they're poison you get like red tide right yeah so I was like like I dodged the bullet but I was like what's that bullet because you could just go find muscles and and pluck them off of things let me let me ask you this like so if you're to move back to California okay but to take Texas politics with with you that's not really possible but if it were I I'm taking you on an imaginary move no no I like it here you like the weather I like everything I like the size of it I like the way people behave people are super friendly I like the scene here the restaurant scene's amazing the comedy scene's amazing live music a bunch of cool people now like so so many of my friends moved here I love it here I just love the vibe I love that it's you know it it's I love that we're not connected to the Hollywood Machine there there's like
a pull of deals and shows and things that you get roped into doing because you think about the money they'll pay you right and then you wind up like becoming one of those people like you have to say what they say you have to be if you're not politically aligned with them you're going to lose gigs you change your behavior I see it with so many Comics they they're really good Comics coming up they're they're like wow this guy's going to be good he's really good he's getting better all the time and then they get a [ __ ] show they get a show and then they tone everything down and everything gets softer and everything you know you start seeing some like [ __ ] jokes in there like oh you decided to cover this joke cover this subject just for like just for like street cred Progressive street cred and like you see it happen you're like ah you got called into the rocks the sirens they called you into the Rocks that's what it is man they call you into the Rocks you sto you sto being you you stop being you because they dangle that carrot in front of your face and there's no carrot out here the carrot is just podcasts and other Comics right so that's way better there's no control there's no manipulation there's no someone's dangling this over you you have to agree with what I agree with like no one cares at all about any of that stuff here like it's it's freedom and like we were talking about it the other I think it was today right where it's like you another comic was like oh can you believe they're a Democrat I'm like no it's weird like or whatever right you know but it's it's fine in the context of I think cons being a conservative because I don't necessarily say like I'm a republican I'm like I just believe in less government like I I don't like bureaucrats at all I have a high degree Ree of skepticism on anything that they say and I typically will question anything an elect elected official will say so for for me I'm like I don't care if the guy next to me is going to vote for you know whatever alternate politician I care about like what are their ideas why why do they think a certain way what are they doing like what kind of a human are they and what is the character of the individual like am I going to disagree
with him yeah but who the [ __ ] cares like that's kind of fun like it's kind of fun to disagree with people and debate them and have a a different opinion versus being in an echo chamber where people all agree and they're all kind of lack step in their belief system it's kind of fun to have some wing nut talking about socialism half the time like what the [ __ ] are you talking about you believe in that it's like some orwellian Nightmare Man and if you could have a conversation with someone where you're friendly with each other and completely disagree it's a beautiful dance it's a fun dance to talk to people that have just completely different perspectives but you're not rude to them no you just ask him why do you think that did you ever consider this and you have conversations like two normal people just having a convers okay all right so that's what you think huh what was your childhood like just get into sh like what are we dealing with here like why do you have this perspective you know and you you have to be able to talk to each other and there's a bunch of people that we hang hang out with that have totally different opinions on all kinds of things like my friend Josh who was here the other day Ling to death he told me he voted for Jill Stein said he voted for Jill Stein just like a protest vote wow I think the two- party system stupid I'm like okay right yeah I get it look I voted uh I voted for for two libertarian candidates in a row so I voted for Gary Johnson and then I voted for uh Joe jensson why because I was like this is this whole thing's gross but that's like California I knew it was going to be blue anyway California is always blue it was like a legitimate protest vote and I guess he was in Florida so that's a legitimate protest vote if you want to it's gonna go red anyway whether you like it or not it's gonna go red yeah Florida goes red hard when they saw Miami go red they were like oh boy yeah oh boy and one of the things that they were saying like the whole uh like what goes red and what goes like if you look at the country like California is way more red now than it's ever been in the last four years really I didn't know that yeah it's a big difference if you look at there's a map of California how it voted from 2020 to 2024 it's a giant
swing it's like it's the Red's going like this see if you can find it Jamie it's very interesting um and that's not because people have been radicalized no that's because the left has gone [ __ ] cuckoo you guys have gone crazy and you're authoritarian you want everybody to behave and believe and think and talk the way you do or else always look at that look at the difference holy [ __ ] holy [ __ ] dude that is wild yeah it's most of California by land mass by far yeah it's probably 70% by land mass or 60 blue up there on the east side like what is that close to is that like where they grow the weed son oh yeah what is that what is that where where are you guys at you guys got to be like Tahoe is that one like that's got to be like trucky or something you got to shut off blocker these [ __ ] there it goes oh these [ __ ] oh you have to get a s yeah go to the other just the image just the image quick I see I've thought about this because I always tell people California is my my favorite climate in the nation it's the best yeah that's it so what's the one in the upper well it's not click on the one that's know yeah I guarantee you that's where they grow the weed yeah they want to keep everything nice and quiet up there shut the [ __ ] up everybody shut the [ __ ] up hey man we don't want these guys to like criminalize weed again that's what [ __ ] where's Humble Jamie where's Humble North up here somewhere up there that's where they grow all the best weed that's where they have problems with the cartel too cartel grows weed up there too the cartel grows weed in California oh yeah that's what I was going to that's what I wanted to ask you about cartel do you think they're that one was humbled the one you guys are asking it was humbled oh [ __ ] okay we go you're right yeah they grow all the weed son yeah there you go um yeah there's a dude named John Norris who's been on the podcast he wrote a book called hidden Wars and he was a uh game warden so he's just thinking he's going to go around checking fishing licenses and [ __ ] like that and then one day they find a creek that's been diverted so they have to follow the creek they thought maybe a farmer had like damned the creek
somewhere and done something to get water illegally he goes up there and he finds these PVC pipes and all and it reads this giant growop and it's all cartel guys and so this guy's job changes from being a game War let me check your fish line to running a [ __ ] Tactical Unit they had attack dogs they had attack dogs they had [ __ ] shootouts with the cartel in the woods over weed cuz here's what happened California made weed legal in the state but made growing it a misdemeanor if you it illegally okay so if you are a person who's doing it legally you can grow it and you can sell it if you have a license you can open up a shop and you can sell it they tax the [ __ ] out of it's great for everybody but the problem is you made growing it illegally a misdemeanor so then the Cel just starts growing it everywhere in the National Forest because even if the guys get arrested nothing happens it's a misdemeanor so it's nothing so they're using these crazy toxic poison pesticides all this [ __ ] that's totally illegal to use on regular crops in America and 90% of the illegal weed that's being bought around the country is coming from them holy [ __ ] I didn't know that and they're doing it all in National Forest and they're doing most of it in California dude they find these girl my friend found one you know him Cody oh yeah yeah he found a [ __ ] grow up on tone Ranch really yes oh my gosh that's right yeah yeah yes he found a cartel grow on toone Ranch where they had this guy carried in pipes on his shoulder de into the woods diverted a stream and then there was this whole field of weed that these guys had planted out there they were camping out there they had little religious symbols and [ __ ] they kept by their bed to protect them like the Virgin Mary and [ __ ] what do you think I I've heard this this is what I wanted to talk to about cuz it pertains to the cartel was like what do you think about releasing Seal Team 6 and Delta Force on the cartel what do you think that looks like well I think you've solved one problem okay what's the problem you have you no longer have distribution but you still have a demand you still have a demand yeah the the real problem is there's always going to be a demand the
real problem and I don't think there's anything wrong with that idea by the way okay I like that idea but the problem with that idea is you're always going to have a demand and if you're going to have a demand someone's going to fulfill that demand and who the [ __ ] is that going to be how are they going to get the Coke in you're not going to just not have Coke so here's the question by having prohibition of alcohol in the United States it's widely widely agreed that that led to the rise of the mafia right Bootleggers the mafia criminal organizations that were organized crime that went on to do a bunch of other horrible things right inside our country and they were built up with money because alcohol was illegal the moment alcohol stopped being illegal you still have these people with all this money now you [ __ ] up now they're organized gangsters and now you know okay alcohol is legal now so just going to sell it legally and they have millions and millions of dollars from a life of crime you've already done that with the cartel you got to do just got you got to do something you go to do something and you probably also should legalize drugs I don't think you should take drugs I think Coke is probably terrible for almost everybody I think math is probably terrible do people still do cocaine I I absolutely really really thing I know people do it the grow Chinese investment in illegal American weed of course why wouldn't they get in on it check out this number that says here uh of the 2,000 sorry of the 800 Farms the OBS in Oklahoma the Oklahoma Bure of Narcotics has shut down in the last two years 75% were linked to China oh my God China's a growing weed here they're growing weed here oh my God I was thinking about that from I was thinking about this from the thought exercise where I'm like cuz I you know I I know these units I'm intimately familiar with them uhhuh bro if we declare war on the cartel like these these dudes are not going to understand what the [ __ ] is going on they are they are going to be cuz God you stop distri that's going to be yeah they they are in for a world of like Ultra violence they've never actually felt before because you
obviously this is a very capable ult violent organization they have [ __ ] no clue if we organize these tier one units against them this is going to be what I would be doing if I was down there like I know all those shoe boxes in my [ __ ] you know my walls that I'm going to have to collect up I'd be getting ready to retire right now that's what I would be doing because if Delta Force was hunting me bro I would be so terrified is that a real thing that they they've proposed doing yes that is a real thing who proposed that uh I I'm almost positive either JD or Trump had said something with the new guy from Ice like we're going to mobilize tier one units against the cartel I the only thing I thought was like retire if if you guys you guys got some money man I would like put that away you know like maybe move Jamaica I don't know go somewhere yeah buy a restaurant like try to go legit because go legit dude if those guys are hunting you yeah by the way like you're done you're [ __ ] done and it's a weird thing that that's going on right at our border it's a weird thing cuz it's so close to us and it's so ultraviolent and dangerous and it's just completely shaped the way the entire economy of the country works you know they they they have so much power and control and it's a criminal organization that is entirely almost entirely at least funded by us by our desire Trump declares war on cartels president Le said notorious crime syndicates and Drug King kingpins will never sleep soundly again once he launches his plan to tackle the issue I I've thought about this for a long time where I'm like if they if they turned loose Delta Force and Seal Team Six on cartels and pedophiles we could just kind of like erase the problem in about two years just be gone the quote he wants to send troops to Mexico he said would make appropriate use of Special Forces cyber warfare and other overt and covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership infrastructure and operations oh Jesus bro it is going to get wild come January 20th it's going to get wild man it is going to get wild very interesting but the thing is like people in action is action as well when it comes to this like you're just you're going to continue to prop them up they're going
to get more and more power and more and more money and we got to figure out why everybody wants coke what the [ __ ] is it you think it's Coke I think that's the big one I'm pretty sure it's the big one I'm sure a lot of it is pills they have fake pills like they sell like Street pills Street you you know different like anti-anxiety medications Molly there's a lot of stuff they sell that's also laced up with fentanyl which is responsible for you know who knows how many tens of thousands of it's like 200,000 people is what they're what they're saying is a f responsible for that crazy high crazy high insane it's it's a horrific thing and it's gotten to the point where people are scared to try any kind of drug because they're thinking fent they found Fentanyl and weed you know what yes people they found fentanyl laced weed yeah people are dumb as [ __ ] man you don't think they'll try putting Fentanyl and weed people are dumb as [ __ ] they'll try all kinds of things people are [ __ ] they I know people that have mixed MAO inhibitors and mushrooms and acid all together like what are you doing are you trying to go to space like what are you doing man Jesus Christ you're just experimenting in your brain MAO inhibitor what did you just say an MAO inhibitor mono amian oxidase inhibitor it's the the the ingredient in Ias that makes DMT orally active so mono Aman oxidase breaks down DMT in the gut that's why when you eat like like if you eat a salad that's why you don't trip balls got it okay cuz otherwise like most plant some crazy number of plants have DMT in it so like how many plants have DMT in it I think it's like a thousand or something nutty like that when when you think about the legalization of psilocybin yeah so Texas I and this is what I know about Texas because they're leading I think a lot of research specifically related to vets apparently the former Governor Rick Scott is really into this Rick Perry Rick Perry EXC me Rick Perry because of his relationship with Marcus Latrell and some of the other guys in the community he has been leading the charge on this do you think that from psilocybin being legal in the United States do you think it would be an issue do you think it'd be an issue at all I don't know because
you're going to get people trying it they wouldn't try it before you're going to get people that use it irresponsibly just go like you get people that drink irresponsibly I think that's the situation that we find ourselves in if we're going to give people personal freedom they're going to make bad decisions you know you can buy a Corvette right you can go to the the the Chevrolet dealership buy a Corvette right off the lot that goes 0 to 60 in 4 seconds and you're flying around corners you you're you're you could be a [ __ ] maniac and kill people in a Corvette or you could just enjoy it on the highway and be responsible and say wow what a great car this thing's awesome I love it right and you don't cause any problems for anybody no you both things are possible that's what's going to happen if we make drugs legal you're going to have people try those drugs that probably shouldn't be trying those drugs you're going to have people get addicted to those drugs that maybe wouldn't have gotten addicted if if those drugs weren't available to them especially if they weren't legal if you could just buy it somewhere but if you don't rip the [ __ ] Band-Aid off of this like in infantilization of society and let people know that there are things out there uh that they're telling you you can't do and the people telling you you can't do them haven't even experienced them and when it comes to things like siloc ibin and and psychedelics like if you haven't experienced them you really shouldn't be talking about them you have no idea what you're talking about you just you have you can't possibly know you can't know and if you do if you have experienced them then you're probably GNA agree with me you're probably going to agree that there's some like some serious benefits to it 50 God I thought it was a lot more than that just at least 50 at least 50 I had read something there was like in the hundreds I can't I can't find a solid number I mean it's in a lot of stuff but so the point is like I know feris grass is like really rich with DMT and then there's that's also the acacia tree that's what one when they connected there's like a university in Jerusalem that connected this idea of Moses and the burning bush to a
because theaa tree is like rich in DMT and the idea of burning it you see God and God gives you this message and tells you what to do and what what the rules of behavior are this I think anybody telling you that these things should get you locked up has clearly never experienced them no they they never have like I I spent all of my life with a top secret security clearance like most of my life like from my 20s to like my 40s right and my my personal experience with them this is before you know before we went public but my personal experience with them was my you know my my problems were rep after rep cycle after cycle of combat after like relatively high stress scenario after scenario after scenario and I was having a really really hard time trying to directly connect with love I I actually could not connect with that experience was really difficult and my wife and I were going we were going through this this ongoing debate and dialogue with it and she's like you need to try it and we tried it it fast forward probably 20 years of talk therapy for me personally and it gave me this this like direct connection with this this feeling that I hadn't felt for years and this is the feeling and this is my point with with with vets and especially from the combat vets the guys have like rep after rep after rep with overpressure and explosions and a lot of violence is that they lose context with this really important feeling that you have to have which is you have to have direct love for your family for your spouse for yourself and if you've if you've killed that by all of the things that you've done you've built a scaffolding this artificial scaffolding on top of this it creates a callous and you got to be able to break through that from a it from a psychological perspective an emotional perspective it accelerates that back and you can kind of reset you you really can yeah I can't imagine you I was thinking about this like my dad's like 80 years old right like man if if he's got he's got uh lung
cancer now and I'm like gosh if he could like coales around killing ego and past and try to understand himself from a different more introspective way this would take decades maybe of talk therapy or a session where you could you could really accelerate your growth as an individual I think that's what for for gwat vets and for vets in general I mean I think that's what they're they're missing this key component is being able to retouch with their emotional strength and be able to balance these things out where you can evolve and live your life I do you think you've said it before I don't know if you said on a show but do you think society would benefit from it I think a lot of people would benefit from it but I think a lot of people wouldn't I don't think people with real psychological disorders should be doing it right you know I think people that are really [ __ ] up and having a hard time with schizophrenics people you know I don't no I think it's probably dangerous for you I think it's probably a bit of a stress test for your psyche you know you hear about these stories like the guy from Pink Floyd that dropped acid freaked out never came back there's those stories like we hear those stories of guys just go out there and kind of you lose them I've kind of seen it with some people I've seen it with one one kid who was just like smoking a ton of weed and just lost his mind and became schizophrenic and you don't know like did he have a tendency towards schizophrenia already did he fall prey was it just his unique biochemistry and how he interacted with weed was it just inveterate wheat you I mean he was every day he was smoking wheed constantly what is it like what what caused him to crack you know I don't know I don't know but I I don't I don't have that problem and I I think it's very beneficial and I don't like when people tell me that because someone has a problem with something that I shouldn't do it I don't agree with that I think you should be allowed to take chances as a person I think if you want to do BMX jumps and [ __ ] do flips on your bike you should be allowed to do it you want to do Jiu-Jitsu and have grown men try to kill you go ahead go do it do whatever the [ __ ] you want
to do I don't think anybody should be able to tell you what you what you can and can't do but why does that change when you talk about substances that someone puts in their body well because those people could do those and then they commit crimes but those are already crimes like you already go to jail for those crimes so like if you do something violent because you're on a drug you're you you're going to jail because you did something violent like there's a crime you committed that crime you go to jail so like we already have laws to fix like that address all the problems and you're assuming that more problems would occur we don't know that we don't know that we don't know that more people won't chill the [ __ ] out and would have a dramatic decrease in violence across the country imagine that imagine you have a few people that lose their [ __ ] mind but you have a dramatic increase in Consciousness through the entire country where people develop like a mushroom culture and people start like micro doing all the time and people get way more comfortable with talking to each other way more creative way more like Community oriented and love oriented that's not a bad thing no that's that's a real possibility with something that exists right now there's a happy pill it's out there and it's illegal and it's God made it God made it and it's probably the source of most religious experiences there probably some sort of a connection to a lot of those religious experiments or experiences rather and what was probably some sort of a psychedelic Adventure that they went on and who's to say that that's not even how you talk to God in the first place we don't know because it's been it's been held back from us it's been kept from us like we're a bunch of babies it's something that human beings have used for thousands and thousands of years the Greeks use psychedelics to start democracy and yet here we are in the greatest democracy the world's ever known and 2024 with full access to the internet all the data that's available all the anecdotal stories and it'll get you locked in a [ __ ] cage that's nuts it that's really crazy it's completely insane make no sense I've tried to look at it from all different ways I do agree with you if and when people say if you make cocaine
legal people are going to die unfortunately I agree with you but if you don't make cocaine legal people are also going to die I don't know which one is more and I don't know if it was just real cocaine versus cocaine mixed with a bunch of other horrible [ __ ] if like the real cocaine wouldn't kill as many people I don't know how many people are dying just of cocaine and how many people are dying of fentel lace cocaine I bet it's way more fent late cocaine so if you had just pure cocaine and the same amount of users you're going to get way less deaths so that's a net positive then you take taxes from that sale of that legal cocaine and you use it to sell up re rehabilitation centers where you give them ibba gain give people the ability to break addictions it's possible people do it they go to Mexico kick opioids people do it all the time my friend Ed Clay did it that's how he got into it he started his own Clinic because he went down there because he had a pill problem you get an injury you're doing Jiu-Jitsu you're always [ __ ] hurt these guys get a disc problem their arms all [ __ ] up they take a little pill you feel better but then you need three pills then you need four then now you're [ __ ] and now there's nothing to help you other than Iain and that's illegal so you make that legal too so with those two together who knows you might have way less deaths and then you would have taxes that you could take from that stuff and used for all sorts of things it would be horrible for taxes from cocaine sales to fix the schools but what if that's what did it what if that's what did it and what if the exact same amount of people buying cocaine are still buying cocaine what if that is the fix and what if responsible use of drugs all kinds of drugs sure don't drive a car when you're coked up don't take heroin and fly your plane no responsible use just like responsible use of alcohol why is that so crazy for us why is that so alien because we've been turned into babies we've been turned into babies where you're allowed to take pharmaceutical drugs that make you high as [ __ ] whether it's high as [ __ ] on Aderall or high as [ __ ] on opio that's fine but you can't go out and get yourself some mushrooms that's just crazy and for these people that are the
ones in charge that are making all the money from these decisions to keep up with this Insanity in the internet in 2024 in this tied of change I feel the same way about them as you feel about those poor cartel members like you probably should be doing something else what is this weed and fenel short answer is they're false there's no solid evidence that marijuana is being laced with fenel here's some of the reasons why his um didn't someone get caught with it though it said this at the bottom it says that there's been a few publicly ated like media stories that have said it's that's what the case was I think we were talking about one then they said there was weed that was laced with fenel that someone got arrested for lab test claims that they were errors and then the corrections they'll make the headlines how do you get an error how much fenel is out there there's an error oh we was just contamination it wasn't the weed that had fenel fenel is all over the place could just been a field test they could have just been like does this have fentanyl on it they rub the weed and the weed comes back like yep someone touched Fentanyl and they touch the weed and now you got fentol a weed wow it could be that that that actually does make sense right because if you think of some cracked out dude working weed fields for the cartel he's probably going to be doing fentel yeah he's going to be doing fentanyl he's going to be he's going to be all on everything basically so it's going to pop positive on everything he guy's in a tent he's on a tent in the [ __ ] woods with a little Virgin Mary statue like for real I know get candles BR having shootouts with the [ __ ] the cops it's so crazy that's going on and that there's hundreds of them and that the Chinese are running over like this is the most insane part where it's like everybody knows what's going on all these chemicals are coming from China they're being offloaded in Mexico and South America they're being like produced and then cross and then they're pushed across the border everybody knows do you ever talked to Mike Baker about any of this stuff no I I've never actually talked to Mike Baker you know him you never met him oh my God I'm bring I got to bring you two guys
together I love that dude but what he one of the things he was telling me was about the Chinese cell cell phone towers like cheaper right they're like you just buy ours they're not going to listen to you and they put them all around military bases we promise we're not going to listen to you hey guys the Chinese said they're not going to listen to us I mean that's good enough for me they're around this nuclear weapons facility of course they're all over the place and then they buy land like Dr Phil was highlighting that and they buy land right next to military bases like how [ __ ] silly are we this is so we're so silly like someone's moving our chest pieces around like oh this isn't happening this isn't even happening don't think like that there's no way they'd be buying up all the weed there's no way they'd be buying up all the Farmland right next to the military there's no way they would be exporting chemicals so they could manufacture fentanyl to come in and basically eviscerate 200,000 [ __ ] people there's no way they would there's no way they would do that it's crazy to even think meanwhile the only way you get those chemicals from China the only way you get it is from China they send them to Mexico they cook it up they send it our way woo but no that there there's no way the Chinese are thinking that maliciously there's no way there's no way well aren't they still mad at us for like the Opium Wars I think the Chinese are not necessarily mad at us they're just thinking about themselves from a hundred-year vision and they're saying okay where do we where where where and how do we Ascend to being able to take Place take America's place as the the international superpower right so I don't know if they necessarily have an opinion-based ax to grind it's more about how do we put the pieces together to take the poll position away from the United States I'm sure that's their primary goal but I do remember reading something where they were talking about was it British who there was people that introduced opium to the Chinese like on purpose it was like a campaign the first Opium War 1800s okay uh Britain the war was triggered by
China's efforts to enforce its ban on opium the British responded by sending a naval expedition to force China to pay reparations and allow the opium trade yeah so the British wanted to keep that [ __ ] dope flowing in that wild they went to war to keep the dope flowing this is what people have to recogn iiz about Afghanistan too yeah this is something that it sounds so conspiracy theory that no one even wants to touch it but the troops had to guard the poppy fields Afghanistan heroin went way up when we went in there went way way up their production went way up they were supplying at one point in time what was the number Jamie what percentage some was that what 70% of the world's heroin was coming out of a place that we had occupied well and the other the other issue was that um you know the Taliban was using the Opium and essentially to fund their growth in the their militia so the DEA was out there so you had the DEA out in Afghanistan doing direct action Ops and you had soft guys that were going out walking through poppy fields and marijuana fields and all these other things then you'd pass it off to the DEA 90% oh 95 yeah in 20 21 90% 90% holy [ __ ] holy [ __ ] you de destabilize the entire country you deter everyone from actually focusing on the Opium you focus on terrorism and the Taliban and then you allow it to flourish and the the dirty secret nobody wants to talk about from from that from that perspective is is that we've we as a country have dealt with a lot of Shady opium dealers like drug lords that were essentially exporting opium and if they weren't part of the Taliban Andor if they were anti-taliban you do business with them it's the same story yeah it's what's your triage of priorities so you know how oh hey we we need to get you know we we need to fund our army in South America so hey how do we do that let's let's like let's let's import some Coca you know let's let's invent a market because we we got to get you know we we got to push back against the commies in Nicaragua it's the same story it's I've had Freeway Ricky Ross on like seriously three times I had him on recently I had him on recently yeah and he was the guy he was the guy was making millions millions and
millions and millions of dollars he couldn't read he was making millions of dollars selling Coke for the [ __ ] government Myanmar overtakes Afghanistan and the world's top opium producer violent political turmoil in myamar in in the years since 2021 coup has contributed to production increase wow so they took over that quick what's that check this up meth is cheaper than beer there wow whoa there's a lot of drugs going on there whoa 25 cents each that's all imagine for a quarter you could do math the golden the Golden Triangle like imagine doing math imagine doing that quarter meth what kind of judgment do you have you pop that 25 cent meth and [ __ ] chug it down down with a Budweiser what are you doing man what kind of life are you living this guy said he took 10 pills his first time oh boy pills how did it work out I took 10 pills and I was totally lost didn't recognize my family didn't recognize my children son couldn't sleep at all I didn't drink I didn't eat I felt powerful the last one so perfect I felt powerful yeah look I don't think that should be legal but well here I don't think you do it but I think it should be legal I think if it's not legal the cartel sells it you just have to figure out what to do with the money that you're going to make from it because that's devil money like you're you're selling meth money like that's devil money you're ruining people's lives there's going to be a bunch of like slippery people that are kind of kind of hanging on but doing their best and you're going to meth them down the road to Oblivion that's true that's true that's true but that's not going to happen to me I'm not going to get methed out I'm not going to try it I haven't even tried at at all um scared of it so some people are going to figure it out just like most things in life just like drinking just like driving just like doing Jiu-Jitsu just like riding a BMX bike some people are going to get hurt so we have to decide what's more valuable to you nerfing the whole [ __ ] world or people figuring out what's best for everybody and the only way to do that is to give people Freedom that's it it's the only way that works we figure out what works what doesn't work by successes and failures and we all adjust along the way but you got to
give people freedom freedom and information those are two very important things when you're suppressing either one of them you can't be the good guy no no you're not the good B you're not the good guy Freedom has to be sacred across the board which Freedom comes with accountability which means responsibility and that's the problem is that when freedom I think when you can distill it down and you can create control then you can create profit so power and profit those things like they directly have this Confluence where people in power obviously manipulate that and they'll restrict our freedom yes especially if they can make more money 100% have more control have more power and if Co taught us anything it taught us that we can't forfeit freedom to low IQ power hungry bureaucrats that want to affect our life because they're stupid so why would we ever give away our freedom to a bunch of stupid bureaucrats like exactly that to me is the fundamental difference between the entire election process it's like how do I maintain or increase my individual accountability which comes with freedom right and how if we want to capitulate that that's the other side I think that's a referendum on freedom like yes I I don't want to oversimplify it but that's kind of where I think it is it's where it is is you you're not oversimplifying it if you don't have that you don't have any of these things no you don't have any growth you don't you have you're going to have people that are ow that stifle discourse they're going to stifle debate they're going to stifle it because they only want their side to be heard it's that lady at the table telling me that Sam Harrison dougas Murray was hate speech it's those people you going have those people dictating what you can and can't talk about based on their own morals and you don't even know how they think about things you don't even know them they don't do podcasts they don't they're not hanging out with you at the bar you're not going to dinner with them you don't [ __ ] know them so you don't know if they're making good judgment calls you don't know if their assessment of something is something you agree with or if it's even rational you don't know you just these weird strikes you get on your account you get like this fear-based
letter that comes to you if you do this again you're [ __ ] you're like oh no now what do I do well I better self- censor and go along with the machine and stop misgendering people and stop doing this and stop doing that and stop saying this and then you're [ __ ] and then you're [ __ ] and then you might as well be living in any other country that's controlled by a dictator it's just a dictator by a different name right that's all it is it's fascism but it's not right-wing fascism it's leftwing fascism it's adherence to the state they want you to go along with the Mandate the way they talk about things the way you have to talk about things and I think if anything this election was a giant [ __ ] you to all that where everyone was like [ __ ] you guys are [ __ ] crazy we see where this is is going you're going right off a cliff and you're running and if anything they showed you about that the the the Harris budget where she spent a billion dollars 580 million of it or something like that was for staff yeah 580 million and there's all this money that went to all these Outreach groups and all these different and and celebrities and like what the [ __ ] is this and then they're $20 million in debt at the end and you want to manage the economy this sounds crazy this is a what did you do like what happened here who went crazy with the checkbook who went Hog Wild who went Hog Wild nobody in the Administration has ever been business right I mean I like nobody find out what the numbers were to staff because I want to be accurate about that but I think I am I think it was 580 million and I was watching this on Fox News and they don't lie no they don't no they never lie didn't they get they they had a giant lawsuit right the Dominion yeah that was a big one they got hit I had a piss all right let's let's take a little break here ladies and gentlemen we'll be right back yeah they said it on Fox News Jamie so it has to be true it has to be true man that's way better [ __ ] no better than Fox News Patrick bed David I know I know I I telling you I see the tweets that say that but Fox news's website says the campaign spent $56 million on payroll and payroll taxes so what's that other money I but didn't but
wasn't there all the money that they had spent on um uh activism yes yes that's didn't they count that in staff but this no I don't I don't know this all comes from like Twitter I don't know where well it comes from Twitter Jamie it's real I'm just telling you stop being a [ __ ] party pooper there's people asking for their scroll up and let me see what this says it says but no um I'm sorry I scroll down a little I just want to see what it all it says so it says Cala raised 1.003 billion she spent 1.37 billion she spent 5825 3 million on staff that's that that doesn't add up because I saw she spent 680 million on ads so those two numbers you know there's no money left over for everything else right so one of one of the two isn't correct one of them how much has she spent on ads 680 million or oh my God that's like the should should have done my podcast for free dude that that is like the the the secret it's not even a secret when it's campaign time and you have all these ads these ad guys that are out there they're buying up all the ads and it's a wash in money it's hundreds of millions of dollars and they're just pipelining campaign donations into ads and it's like like loading up their money guns and just shooting it into space that's what they're doing what are they doing that is what it's like right I know and they've been telling people that this is effective yeah and so they have this this business going it it it's just complete absurdity which don't get me wrong I actually politics is so fun for me because I think it's it's really interesting and it's like it's I I can't get into football or anything else because I I like the data associated with things and I if I got into football I'd be like one of those fantasy football dorks and I can't get into it and so politics is one of those things where I'm like I follow it I love it it's interesting just trying to understand the strategy behind it I've changed my opinion of it a little bit since the election I don't think um the the control the grip of the control of the country is as strong as I thought it was
I thought I thought this concept so everyone has a concept of they they don't want you to know things they're controlling things I have a feeling that in times of Crisis like what we find ourselves currently in it's like when the lights come on and roaches scatter that's what I have a feeling I have a feeling there's no way that they can trust each other and that they all know that a certain percentage of people are going down for corruption there's a certain percentage of people that did some dirty [ __ ] there's a c there's some connections with organizations and corporations and some emails save your emails it's one of the things that said yeah preserve your records and pack your bags dude so epic yeah that's epic preserve your records cuz we know you're all a bunch of liars we we we've caught you already on emails lying about stuff so this is you've all perjured yourselves like fouchy perjured himself there's no ifence just a just a definition of gain of function like shut the [ __ ] up you don't change the definition and make it Ultra super nuanced so that it fits in your little excuse box of why you didn't fund gain of function research the [ __ ] you didn't that's what you did that's what it is and when Rand Paul was confronting him with it that was like one of the craziest moments you sir do not know what you are talking about it's like an evil villain yeah an evil villain that just lied to everybody and got away with it and no repercussions well I think that's I think that's like the story over and over for these guys that are owered there's no repercussions there's no accountability I often times think of Dick Cheney as a guy sitting back in in like a high back leather chair in a in a in a big in a big uh black tile office that's completely shiny with a white cat on his lap like just petting it that that's the way I think about that [ __ ] guy like [ __ ] that guy like how like these guys not to keep flashing back to this but it forever [ __ ] changed me right where I'm like these guys [ __ ] up so many people's lives like countless countless lives and the fact that they still think they have public trust with zero accountability yeah man how Wild was it when Dick Cheney was endorsing Obama or excuse me was
endorsing KLA of course he was and everybody was like yeah look at that right-wing people yeah like you might as well painted if if you would have been an NASCAR driver he would have had a locked Martin [ __ ] Jersey on right then at that point or Satan yeah yeah Satan locked Martin [ __ ] working together sponsored by sat this gu patches on his uniform like that Chappelle remember [ __ ] Chapelle skit where like politicians had were NASCAR drivers yeah I like the best Satan would be amazing it's just all caps on the back Satan and the Liberals would still find way it's not you know what it's not it's like Satanism in the classical sense it was just like a rejection of the norm I mean think about it he's a fallen angel you know I mean think about how how bad that is you know we have to we have to think about it yeah dick Chene is basically a fallen angel have you seen those Babylon bees gets where it's like Satan talking to the the uh Democrats about like dude you guys [ __ ] you guys you guys jumped a shark on this what are you doing it's it's so good did you see the Babylon bees one recently where they were talking about uh criticizing uh Trump's new appointments in comparison to Biden's appointments have you seen it no it's just images I can I can I can [ __ ] see you can find it jie on Instagram it's that one dude it's the bald dude with the dress the other dude who's the first female Admiral it's the first female Admiral imagine if you're a woman and you're trying to become an admiral this [ __ ] just jumps the line it's like okay yeah cool have you seen it you it that whole thing with like the uh it it's like the Avengers unite it P Administration declares Trump cabinet picks unqualified oh God yeah like if you just look at that thing and then you look at like and when I say things right it's just like you look at this thing and then you do a direct comparison like okay you know who scares the [ __ ] out of me who that new borders are oh dude he's a bad [ __ ] he scares me he scares me I I imagine myself with a backpack sneaking across the Rio Grand that [ __ ] guys there no yeah like what what did he say he was like ah about families is there any way to not
separate families yes he Deport him together Deport them all hey you know what it reminded me of you remember that um it's just like he said I was like whoa this is getting dark yeah see I'm like a a bleeding heart like I want people from another country that are poor to make their way here and make a better life I want that I just want to be scanned I want to know who the [ __ ] is coming over I want to make sure they're not cartel members I want to make sure they're not terrorists but I'm all for people that want a better life because I would do it it'd be I'd be a complete total hypocrite if I said I lived in Guatemala in some Village and there's no power and I found out that I could walk to America and if I did it it would take three days and then I can get a job in the fields and then I make way more money I could send money home and everybody could have clean water I'd [ __ ] do it you would do we'd all do it so I get we'd all do it that's so part of me is like man I don't want to send anybody back but the other part of me is like what about terrorists like what about what about checking for cartel members what about the fentel that's coming through like you can't have an open border I I believe in a like I believe in a meritocracy right it's like May the best idea Prevail May the hardest workers Prevail the problem is is when we export all of our manufacturing to China when we have an like South America we have a border crisis mhm and you obviously I'm a coffee guy so I think about coffee all the time and I think about Nicaragua El Salvador like all of the South American Central American countries that grow coffee and I talk to Farmers and all we have to pay them is five or 10 cents more a pound depending on the coffee and most of the time when I'm talking about coffees I'm like yeah no problem 10 cents more who cares um what that allows them to do is build schools pay a livable wage all the things that they need to do to be successful in Guatemala Nicaragua wherever they're going wherever we're talking about so I think about this like okay so we're exporting these manufacturing jobs to China and if we're just concentrating on
economic policies in this hemisphere where from a national security perspective if we're exporting jobs to South America we're creating Economic Opportunity and mobility in South America and Central America we're creating jobs economic stability generational wealth and we're also solving one of the issues that we're having which is a border a border crisis it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me to say hey we want to export and I know this started with the NX Administration and you know you have essentially slave labor which I'm 110% against which I don't think in any way shape or form we should support economically so if we to export and look at this from a manufacturing and Industry perspective from this hemisphere how do we align ourselves around strategic stability how do we protect against our border crisis how do we still import because I mean I I know Americans love their cheap Goods like they love their [ __ ] you know what I mean they still want to have this decreased labor cost I I think investing in South and Central America is just not a bad thing if we're not going to invest in America because of the cost then we have to invest in this hemisphere well it makes sense that if you want to make the world a better place and if you want less people trying to sneak into our country one of the best ways is to make their country better right but we got to do it ethically the the crazy thing and this is we've beaten this horse a thousand times is that everybody has a phone and everybody's phone is made by slaves right I mean it's if if it's not made by slaves the Cobalt that's in it it's a there's a real high chance that it came from someone with a [ __ ] stick poking into the ground and digging it out for you right and that's everybody we have to take a hard look at all this stuff we should be making our phones in America we should make be making our phones in America with American minerals that they're a source for people that get paid a Fair Labor ra wage they get health benefits every there's OSHA people check on things make sure the regulations are in place make sure that people get like make sure that they're making enough money to to make a living
to live a livable wage that you you have to do that in America if you want to do it legally the only reason to do it somewhere else is so that you can do something legal because it's legal there but it's not legal where you live it shouldn't be legal to have people working in another country for you for [ __ ] 15 cents an hour it's just it's too crazy it's too crazy that you just you cross this dirt path and now you're allowed to be a piece of [ __ ] like it seems crazy but if you're doing doing it the right way and you're paying people well and you're allowing people to like thrive in a place where there was nothing before yeah you can you can give people a pathway to do a lot of different things economic success opens up a lot of [ __ ] doors especially with education especially with safety with schools with better communities people have money they don't there's not so much tension yeah it's good it's good to have a thriving industry it's good to have a thriving economy it's good for everybody it's just not good for everybody everybody there's always going to be people that u in every kind of economy in every every kind of situation in the world there's going to be people that suffer and like we were talking about on the way here like some of it's just luck there's a lot of luck there's a lot of luck luck is Luck's a real thing you know good and bad and it's there's you know that's one of the most important things about having some success in this life you know is having the humility to understand that you just got lucky as [ __ ] you're lucky as [ __ ] if you're alive especially you right you're lucky as [ __ ] you're you know how lucky I am is like tenfold order I I got all my fingers and toes it's it's it's great incredible business like I think good friend of mine God man like it's so incredible when you think about like the birthplace Lottery of of hitting the jackpot like holy [ __ ] I think in this time too yeah I think we're so lucky in this time I think I'm particularly lucky because I grew up before the internet was at all like how old are you 47 so I'm 10 years older than you so when I was like 30 no I think I was 27 when the internet became like a normal thing to have in your house and you had a dial up and you turn on America Got Mail or
you got mail you've got mail on AOL so from that point on the [ __ ] world changed so wildly and so quickly that we weren't even really noticing it while it was changing and now here we are here we are in 2024 where it seems like the most chaotic the most weird Trump just won again somehow another I helped him like this [ __ ] crazy like this is the wildest timeline ever this is the most we're talking about this is the most optimistic yeah I've been in in our country yeah this is the most optimistic I've been in my adult life yeah that the moment that he won like that in a landslide I was like maybe they don't have such a grasp and maybe this will open up the door to making things more rational and balanced and we could stop a lot of this [ __ ] awful corruption that's just intertwined like the mycelium that's under the soil yeah the corruption just intertwine and a lot of it's legal corruption dude it's it's it's insane when you think about you obviously I'm super interested in the military-industrial complex but when you think about you know we had we'll say 50 60 military industrial contractors the start of uh 911 and then now we're down to five and we think of $860 billion of annual debt associated with the defense budget which has gone up since our height in the world on terror or the war on terror and we have five guys or five big companies that are basically taking 50% of that 860 and then 50% of that is profit and how is it how is it happening when you think of this triangular effect between the military-industrial complex and okay you have the revolving door between the Pentagon so every Star that comes out of the Pentagon goes back into the military industrial complex with x amount of years of disassociation blah blah blah it's okay then you go back to the military indust complex so you go into like locki Ron one of the top five then you have congressmen and Senators that are making decisions specifically related to the budget and the military the defense budget they're lobbying to increase defense spending but then they also have uh factories that are related to like the F35 or some big military contract where
they're making 40 30 40 50% in profit so they're the guys that are lobbying to increase the defense budget their campaigns are being paid for by the military industrial complex they're directly increasing the military budget it's it's a self-licking ice cream cone it's insane it's completely insane and the fact that we don't have any strict firewalls and separation from an ethics and and and I'm I'm not against people creating jobs in their state that's not what I'm saying saying the fact that there are not strict firewalls between the fact that you're going to directly profit and or your campaigns are paid for by the people that you will Lobby to go in and increase the taxpayers uh liability I I was thinking about this the other day I was like if if the taxpayer had an itemized look at where their taxes go when they it just like came out annually or once a month or whatever it is and they looked at what they were paying for I'm pretty sure they might have a more vested interest into how much they were paying what they're paying for and saying you know what maybe we shouldn't be asleep at the wheel maybe we should probably pay a little bit more pay more attention to this isn't that amazing that you don't get an itemized list but you're required to give an extraordinary percentage of your money to the government like like what is the tax bracket of someone who makes a million dollars a year what is that 40% 40% yeah yeah 43% probably okay let's um imagine you're paying 40% in income taxes then if you live in California you pay another 14.4 I think it is something like that and then I think it's another 1% if you live in the city of Los Angeles so now you're down to 30 what 34% what do you get there somewhere in the high 30s so then you have sales tax on everything you buy you have property tax you have insurance you have whatever your house costs you don't have a lot of money left over and the government doesn't even have to tell you what they're spending it on like you probably get less than they do if you really think about it if they get 40% and let's just say you don't have tax shelters and all that good stuff but if you get if you pay 40%
in income taxes and then after all the [ __ ] like after all property tax and state tax and this tax and sales tax like what do you have how much did you get what did you get how much did you how much money did you actually get like I bet the government got more than you got [ __ ] 70% of your time at work is is working for the Fay yeah that is so bananas that you don't even get an itemized list of what they spend it on I have to file my audited financials right I think about this all the time I have to it's a requirement I have to pass them right the Pentagon hasn't hasn't passed an audit in decades they they like 60% we'll just say 50% of the pentagon's expenses they're like I don't know I don't know where went sorry [ __ ] out of look taxpayer so how is it it's it's this rules rules for thee not for me don't that's the rule always miss their audits yes they how about how many times they miss their audits the P Pentagon Pentagon how many times I think it's like it's crazy numbers too like whoopsies oops I just forgot about that $300 billion doll AR 2021 says they've never passed an AUD yeah there we go there we go there we go so it's rules it's rules for thee not for me they've never passed an audit never yeah come on never never never the pentagon's accounting records are so convoluted that billions of dollars cannot be accounted for charges a new government report oh my God oh my God that is so crazy never yeah and and and there and you'll go to jail if you don't pay these you'll go to jail if you're not paying your taxes you haven't survived an audit and funny it's so funny despite having trillions of dollars in assets and receiving hundreds of billions of federal dollars annually the the department has never detailed its assets and liabilities in a given year for the past three Financial years the defense Department's audit has resulted in a disclaimer of opinion meaning the auditor didn't get enough accounting records to form an assessment like sorry we don't have any paperwork yeah where'd the money go I forgot gotta go I'm just a I'm just a military guy we are just trying to keep America safe yeah like what it is going to UFOs huh what if it's all of it's going to UFOs what if all of it's going
to some propulsion research thing that they're doing they got UFOs they just not telling us what are they spending it on how much of it is getting greased into the side pockets of people but even then from a transparency perspective does it not shake out for us because if we're saying hey we're going to spend I don't know let's just call it100 billion on like black fund experimental technology to maintain our strategic hedge aony okay yeah I like how wrote said it like that that's official do you think that we would all be like no I mean it's better than not passing a [ __ ] audit where you're like I don't know where it goes man yeah I'd rather you tell me that you can't tell me then tell me you don't know right tell me you can't tell me tell me you can't tell me despite costing more than 1.7 trillion in its estimated life cycle attempts to audit the program have run into major hurdles of the F-35 so this is just the F35 F35 some propulsion money it could 1.7 trillion it probably I'm I'm sure look if Area 51 exists and now we know it does for sure it was a real base they said it wasn't a base forever and then during the Obama Administration they had to expand the boundaries because uh surveillance equipment and binoculars and telescopes were getting better and more sophisticated and they were filming things that were flying around they shouldn't have been filming so they expanded the boundaries they had to say that area 51 existed right right so what was that where'd you get the money what' you do what what are you doing down there why do people say you have UFOs what the [ __ ] are you doing why do you have a base in the middle of [ __ ] nowhere that's built into the side of a mountain like why are you guys acting like this is an Avengers movie what are you doing out here once again it goes back to just transparency yeah like or you can't tell me because you think I'm a [ __ ] baby like the same reason why you think I can't have mushrooms the same reason why we can't have full disclosure of the JFK assassination right 4,000 documents we haven't even have we talked about the JFK assassination on this yet I think we have have we like gone down the rabbit hole the rabbit multiple people including have you heard my theory no maybe not I don't know what's your
theory so my theory is like it all goes back to Bay of Pigs it's all Bay of Pigs it's all Cuba it's all Bay of Pigs and so I'm looking at it from a paramilitary CIA perspective and thinking about it from Allan doues which obviously like he's in charge of the warrant commission after Kennedy fired him so I'm giving everybody kind of a a summary explanation yeah doas airport which is the doas brothers the single most two powerful [ __ ] people in Washington even during the Truman Administration but either way so what happened I think was so operation Zapata which is also George HW Bush's first oil company that he supposedly left [ __ ] Connecticut and went out after his yeld you know his yell tenure after World War II was like I'm going to be an oil guy and start [ __ ] Zapata oil yeah of course right even though his bad dad's best friend with Alan dolls sure anyway so so operations Zapata which it turns into the Bay of Pigs and Kennedy gets read in on this he says yes let's go and then when it comes down to the day like I mean you've built uh 1,400 let's say you know 12 1300 Man force that's that's a CIA former Cuban Exile Army you've built it and Alan doulas has been the main architecture he's been the main architect behind this you've got all these guys so let's even go back these are all OSS World War II World War II guys that let's let's create a clear clear delineation between what they're doing and what they what they think the president is doing the president's like yeah yeah he's elected [ __ ] that guy we're the agency like that's the way Allen doas actually ran things he wouldn't half the time he wouldn't even brief the president on what he was doing so he puts together this thing clears it through Eisenhower Eisenhower says yes let's go take those [ __ ] you know Cuban commies out they put together a 1100 Man force they've been training on this they've got secret bases in Guatemala they've got all these paramilitary CIA guys they're ready to take the beach they're expecting air support because without air support that changes the entire tactical equation like if you
don't have air support there's a lot of things you just don't [ __ ] do period so the M of Kennedy denies air support for the Bay of Pigs so the morning of so these dudes are taking the beach these are hardcore like CIA trained paramilitary guys Cuban Exiles and World War II hardcore regime change combat veteran like these are the hardest [ __ ] on the planet that we have he pulls air support he left 1,00 guys on the beach to die basically these guys all get rolled up so they lost about 60 guys 2406 is the name of the the Brigade 60 guys died a th000 plus got put in Cuban prisons now you got an ax grind you just pissed off the entire CIA paramilitary organization I don't know if I'm the president I don't know how I don't end up with a moon roof to be honest with you like just pissed off the guys that are actually in charge of like assassination paramilitary all of the Dirty Deeds around the planet I fire Alan Dulles for this catastrophe of the Baya pigs I've got a thousand plus guys that are in prison in Cuba I've got the entire former OSS hardcore anti-communist anti-castro organization of the CIA pissed off off if you don't think they're not going to tee a guy up like some Pro you know commie Oswald guy in a you know in a in a multistory building in Dallas if you don't think you're going to end up with a hole in your head you're crazy to be honest with you that's the way I'm looking at this so they end up getting these guys out but man he pissed off a lot of super capable guy means opportunity intent m means opportunity intent which is now you left me and my buddies on a beach in Cuba bro you are not going to get out of here unscathed I'm just yeah that's my theory I think that along with all the other stuff means there was probably a bunch of people that did not want him around oh yeah he wanted to get rid of the CIA y he he had his eyes on the Federal Reserve it a lot of crazy talk about secret societies and you know you've seen that speech about secret societies yeah and there was he was a a
real threat and as soon as you can get those Killers to want him out too well now you got a problem solved well you had a bunch of guys that thought he was soft on C he he was soft on Russia they had a bunch of dirt on him because he was he was banging a bunch of chicks all of which okay well you know maybe it's true maybe it's false I don't [ __ ] know but I me I think it's fairly validated at this point I think it's pretty true and you've got a you have a a a collection of people that are are thinking this is a zero sum game this is a cold war if you're weak on Russia and you think that the guy's going to bend his you know he's going to bend a knee to the bear you've got a lot of you you got you've got this Confluence of Interest where it's inevitable he was also not universally loved we think of him as being universally loved because he's dead yeah but when he was alive like there's a lot of people that were not fans of his in the red States probably particularly in Dallas driving through Dallas you had LBJ that's from what's what's amazing about it really is how sloppy the whole from sloppy as [ __ ] the whole thing from autop to the [ __ ] Magic Bullet Lane on the gurnie to having to come up with the magic bullet theory because the Ricochet in the underpass like the whole thing is so clunky it's like such a shitty explanation you couldn't kill one extra guy and say there was another guy over here we killed him too yeah you guys are this is such a [ __ ] job you guys you don't have one other idiot you can get out there one other idiot give him a bad rifle and just [ __ ] shoot him but they don't have any they don't have the context of what we have which is social media right of course you know I mean when did the zuda film it was like 12 years later yeah and it was on the haraldo Rea show which isck Gregory Dick Gregory who is a standup comedian brought it on the haraldo Rivera show are you serious I Dick Gregory who is a stand he's a lot more than that too he's an activist but all but like a real one you know not a not in any way some sort of a social value grifter which a lot I think a lot of people like gravitate towards activism because it gives them a
chance to be really shitty because they're right he was a brilliant guy but it was also a guy who like was a truth Seeker back when it was really hard to get to the truth this guy had to acquire a copy of the seudo film when and Time Life got a hold of it apparently like right after the assassination and they just kept it they just kept it they just kept it and when you watch it you realize why they kept it because you see his head go back into the left and it looks like he does get shot in the neck from the front he holds his [ __ ] neck like this he doesn't hold the back with he holds his neck like this like that's impact that's where it hit him and then his [ __ ] head goes back into the left and we're supposed to think that this [ __ ] guy did all this from the school depositor maybe he did take a shot or two from the schoolbook depository I I don't think he was innocent I'm not of the camp like it's a binary thing like either Lee har Lee Harvey Oswell was a py and the CIA killed him or Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone that's a stupid way to think I think for sure they used him they probably gave him a rifle he might have been in that window he might have just been in the building he might have been in the area who knows I think he probably did shoot that cop like when they were chasing after him it seems like he did kill that cop I think he was an asset but I also think there was a bunch of people shooting at the president and if you look at that you've been to De you've been there right yeah it's a weird it's a weird tree to drive down right it feels weird like oh [ __ ] this where it's a lot smaller than I thought it was it's tiny it's really little yeah like when people say he couldn't have made those shots like shut the [ __ ] up he's right there like right up like literally you look up in the buildings right there he had a scope at least he had a scope that's what's crazy about the kid that tried to kill the president but tried to kill Trump he didn't even he had iron sights which is insane but it's not if you just going Center Mass but this dude's doing for a head shot 140 yards and he's probably never shot anybody before no he's a 20-year-old kid that they just somehow or another operation MK Ultra mind [ __ ] him into shooting at him or he's on some crazy medication or China or who
knows who knows what they a chip in his head who knows who knows what the [ __ ] happened but you know and then some mobster some some like happen stance mobster is so passionate about Kennedy he's like I'm going to kill I'm going to shoot Le Harvey and people are letting him in with the pistol bang it's so dumb dude it's it's then you know what happens to him right yeah he dies of cancer like before that before that no huh Jolly West visits him in jail and he goes crazy jolly W who's the head of MK Ultra Jolly West who's the guy who got Charles Manson the acid allegedly from the book chaos he goes into it Jolly West went to visit Lee Harvey Oswald and or excuse me uh Jack Ruby and Jack Ruby's on the the ground underneath his bunk crying in the fetal position that they're they're murdering the Jews with fire and he's tripping balls this guy dosed him up with acid blew his [ __ ] brains out and then they probably injected him with cancer 100% see you later [ __ ] face I think you have the this outside so what we want to go all the way back and you want to just know my like two cents on this yeah yeah yeah okay so dois knows that eventually the president is going to like they're going to Snuff him out they're going to fire him doulas decides that he's going to have this whole separate CIA that's CIA guys but they're all really very trusted in in in internal external guys and I think those guys are essentially his guys and they get hung out to dry in the Bay of Pigs they're not attributable to the CIA other than loose Affiliated documents I think dolas gets fired and they're like okay let's go let's like Allan doul didn't want to be answering to the president because he didn't answer to the people he was answering to a bigger call in his mind he's answering to this is an eminent threat the big communist bear is going to come and eat our lunch so he's answering to the greater good which is a reason for like the backdrop of the Cold War is a reason for a lot of this nefarious activity like Angleton like all these directors everybody looks at these guys as like really NE various characters but
you have to paint everything in the backdrop of the the the Cold War like we're doing all this stuff to save America right and I'm not validating them telling them they have we have to understand that perspective CU that was a big thing even when I was in high school they this is the Cold War they're going to [ __ ] kill us all they're going to Nuke us so we will do it's very mellian the means justify the ends right anything and everything to save the nation at any point in time so you have that are baptized in extreme patriotism and their belief is that they are doing things for the best of the nation and that if they have an elected official they can't be trusted they can't be trusted and there these are guys that are in you know I went out to Omaha and and uh for the 80th these are I it's so interesting for me to think back on this because these are guys that are World War II vets that that like they saw everybody die you know I mean the the the Soviets lost tens of millions of guys in World War II they were defeating fascism which is you know they were defeating the Nazi party you know the Japanese Army and they've seen thousands of men die and they're serious guys they're not they're not lighthearted Ed they're not full of Love Like These are guys that are baptized in Ultra violence to the point of which this is a zero some game and we have everything to lose and nothing to gain by being nice and nobody will get in our way to being able to maintain the sovereignty of the nation once again I'm not justifying it I can just get into the mind of them because if I'm jumping into Nazi occupied France in you know 19 40x because a lot of the OSS teams went in there and I'm get watching my friends get [ __ ] mowed down by Nazi machine guns and I'm killing Nazis and I'm moving my way to overthrow Hitler and now I feel like Stalin is the next thing that I have to defeat but the American public just doesn't understand I I'm like I'm 1945 man i' I I have been quite literally baptized in and I'm not going to let it happen now you think about a high intellect type A driven ultraviolent guy that may be um semicoherent based on
their their copious consumption of alcohol probably right yeah yeah okay well all you know um a lot of these programs start to make sense because these guys are like they're [ __ ] serious guys and they think that we're going to die in a nuclear Holocaust right and everything the means justifies they're very mellian I don't necessarily once again I'm not trying to say that like every evil deed is Justified I'm just saying like I've seen the beaches of Normandy I understand greater than a lot of a lot of people what combat will and the the direct psychological and emotional effects what it'll do to people and I can I can kind of see myself going like hey man if I'm a 26 year old guy that just went and fought the Nazis and I think that the the big bad bear is coming after me right man you're a pretty serious character did that feeling of the big bad bear coming after us got lifted with the fall of the Berlin wall with the fall of the Soviet Union all that stuff went away the fear when I was a kid that fear was everywhere you know I've talked to so many people that are like my age or around my age that remember being a child and being worried about a war with nuclear bombs with Russia it was con it was in the air when kushev banged his shoe on the the the table and said We will bury you I watched that video on YouTube just like a month ago and it's still scary the D [ __ ] baging his shoe and when he said We will bury you was that a direct quote or was that propaganda let me that one feels fishy I bet that's one where it's like a little bit well that I think more slippery than we will bury you because you know what I mean like when you getting your translations that was a direct response to when we agreed we we have this mutual agreement between the Soviets and kusf wasn't like kusf wasn't actually a a stalinist he was making very big reforms in in in the Soviet Union and so he felt betrayed by the U spy missions that were taking place when we after at you know after they shot down the2 spy plane in Russia and because we died he was like bang bang bang and I'm I'm fairly certain that's what that whole thing was about because
I think was a man of Honor oh and I see these [ __ ] guys are lying to me oh and I mean Solin was a [ __ ] don't like but KF was like making significant reforms within the country he was an ant he was he was broadly condemned by a lot of the old the the the stalinist as here it is I mean I think I don't see him banging a shoe in the video he's banging hand he's bang his fist yeah I thought he banged his shoe the video says did he bang a [Music] shoe that's a scary language when they're yelling it I know put that under a couple pints of vodka some of them was saying this but it's so true there's nothing scarier than Russian Muslims like the fighters fighter Russian Muslims are the [ __ ] scariest Fighters dude I think if there's like one group that I would categorize like what's the scarest it might be Russian Muslims from the cia's website We will bury you threat widely attributed to Cru Chev in Western press was reported to have been made at a sendoff reception to Poland's Gamu guka in Moscow November 195 56 according to Time Magazine kof was overheard to say at the fine final reception to the for the Polish leader if you don't like us don't accept our invitations and don't invite us to come to see you whether you like it or not history is on our side We will bury you so he said that to Poland but that was a in a wasn't that in a police song or a sting song the Russians love their children too wasn't that scorpions no no no no no no I think it was a sting song really sting song called the Russians yeah oh yeah yeah yeah it was saying kushev said We will bury you so they probably it was probably some fake news just like how they said about Trump saying that very fine people on both sides it's it's always been it's it's been fascinating to me because I think about the Russians and how many tens of millions of people they lost in World War I yeah and I think about very empathetically how they got [ __ ] they really did you know I think and I'm not saying we we we did anything bad I'm just saying like what we did was we delayed the invasion of Normandy and we felt like a lot of
people think this was that we were trying to soften up the Soviet Union because we felt that that they were a follow on threat in World War II but we we delayed The Invasion intentionally essentially to that you know a lot of Russians millions of Russians essentially die on the Eastern front and when when you really think about it when you know from you know those men from my context and in you know combat from uh how I think about combat how I think about death like those guys had a significant a of grind cuz they're like we need [ __ ] help we need you to open up the Western font I'm not validating Stalin because once again I think he's a complete piece of [ __ ] I know what you're saying but yeah yeah is a as a Russian right population knowing that we delayed the opening up the Western Front to go and take over essentially you know Hitler Nazi na Nazi Europe because at that point obviously it wasn't just one person yeah we have a significant amount of mistrust with you guys because we lost you know 20 million people plus the civilian population I mean some estimates 30 million [ __ ] people and you guys opened up Normandy came through and then you're telling everybody that you won you're you're the reason you won World War II and you're not even giving us any validated credit they they had invaded Japan before we we dropped the bomb and and the Japanese were just as terrified of the Russians as they were the Americans however I can see from the Russian perspective going man we sacrificed millions of people to defeat the Nazis and you guys are basically giving us no credit so I I think back like man 1945 like where where these guys were at cuz they're all about my same age we went to combat roughly the same same age and there were a lot of people that were debating all of these issues back then 1945 1946 they were talking about uh you know not only Stalin but you know Patton was talking about like we need to just keep going right Patton was talking about like going we need to keep going we need to defeat Soviet Russia and Eisenhower was like actually no you're crazy uh [ __ ]
dude I think that's what he said you know I think that's he's like hey [ __ ] dude like what are you talking about crazy what he said when he addressed the nation yeah right that was right after that so I I I keep thinking about myself and that like those guys I think about myself a lot of times too where you know 20 plus years after the fact like this is 1968 this is 1968 man from our war so from 1945 to 1968 give or take you think about all these gwok guys that are being pointed mhm like it's kind of of a cool Revolution but 68 was a very important year in American history I think 24 was a really important year in American history yeah 24 is a big one the one we're in right now was a big one yeah I think when when people look back at history with these great moments of change I mean think about how you know people look back at the Reagan Administration like when Reagan got elected what a lens slide like they look back in those days like we look back at like these historical moments but I think this one is crazier than any of them this guy gets kicked out they try to put him in jail multiple times he gets shot out he says fight fight fight he he and then he wins he wins in a landslide when they were all saying that it was a close race and the the whole thing is just wild to watch it's like this is nuts like this this show is nuts if you're watching this show on TV like these writers are [ __ ] amazing whatever they're doing like keep doing this this show is crazy there's twists and turns you got your crazy billionaire character who doesn't even seem real doesn't even seem real this guy's making rocket electric cars he's [ __ ] there's no way buys Twitter because he wants to save Free Speech what insane and the people that used to love him now hate him the people that are driving their Teslas around like God damn it they're angry but they still have a lease you know you still have your Tesla you hate Elon you hate X and Don Lemon said I'm leaving X there's no good discussions to be had here yeah it's [ __ ] boohoo you don't like criticism you don't like criticism if you want to get into this game okay you want to get into the the online game the online game's
different and the online game you get judged by who you [ __ ] actually are dude it's not about your producers and your teleprompter and shut up you're on your own and if people think you're stupid you're going to hear it and it might be because you're stupid it might be look people say a lot of people are stupid that are not stupid I've seen people say brilliant people I've seen people say Elon Musk is stupid I have seen that I've seen that I've seen there's you're G to get it no matter what you're gonna get it everyone's gonna get it but if everybody's saying you're stupid maybe you might be stupid you might be stupid you might have been protected from that stupid by these network shows if you want to exist online and you don't like criticism on on Twitter or you think there's disinformation on Twitter Community notes on Twitter is the greatest [ __ ] thing that's ever been created because people get to look through the community notes and find out oh that is [ __ ] and here's why it's [ __ ] or oh that actually is true even though it sounds crazy and people are protesting it's actually true that's fun that's good that's we learned something if you can't handle that well you can go wherever where do you go now where do you go where do you go threads what people go to thre goes to threads but they were for crazy for a while yeah it's not going to work I don't think no have you ever had I I don't know have you ever yeah I like Zuckerberg a lot yeah I like him a lot I think he's a weird guy but you have to be a weird guy if you're a Super Genius 100 billionaire who's into Jiu-Jitsu he's a weird guy but he's cool I like him I've had fun with him yeah we we played a fencing game together with virtual goggles it was fun yeah yeah yeah we both put on he fences so we both put on got online when he was like in Hawaii or San Francisco no we did in the same room okay it was fun yeah the the new uh Oculus is [ __ ] cool and you got to wonder where that's going to be because when I first tried um the first very first Oculus it was kind of cool but kind of crude in a way and with each new version of it you get like it's much smaller now it used to be we had a cable and the cable was attached to the
ceiling on a wire so that you can move back and forth with this all these wires connected to you when you had the Oculus so you had to be plugged into the computer actually but now you're not now it's just on your head and now it's [ __ ] resolution is pretty goddamn good it's and it's weird like you do things like you go to a comedy club and you sit in the audience and there's all these other people in there there's a comedian on stage it's [ __ ] strange there's all these little online games you can play with other people 3D Shooters and [ __ ] and you got goggles on you feel like you're in the game it's real weird and most people are kind of freaked out by it so I don't think it's like they went with that whole meta thing they thought everybody was going to dive into the metaverse but I think there's this uncanny valley between like you put the goggles on and you're in the world and you kind of feel you feel uneasy like this is weird this feels weird VR feels strange like a lot of people makes some dizzy they want to take it off yeah my wife is like that yeah mine is too but I think they're going to get to a point where it's not going to feel weird like there's some commercial applications like there's a company called sandbox and they have this [ __ ] amazing game called Deadwood mansion and Deadwood Mansion you go into like there's a warehouse base they have one in Austin they have one in Woodland Hills where we used to go was right down the street from the studio you put goggles on and all you're in a mansion you got a shotgun and zombies are running at you from everywhere and you're boom you're blowing their heads serious oh yeah kids [ __ ] amazing dude no one in my family wants to play it anymore I why is it too intense I get very intense very intense when I'm killing zombies they don't like it they it's gross it's like I'm like come on let's kill zombies like for Father's Day I made them come kill zombies with me I [ __ ] love it that was your Father's Day present for you told your parent yeah daddy wants to kill zombies with everybody awesome it's fun you got a shotgun and they're running out you're blasting their heads off and you get attacked from behind awesome and you have a haptic feedback vest and you see red when they're
attacking you you see BL splatters of red in front of your face and they're attacking you and you're shooting them in the face everybody wants to do that dude everybody wants I mean if we were like oh we're in a zombie apocalypse how many dudes do you know they're like oh my God awesome awesome you this is going to be fun they're so slow they're so slow like but these ones are pretty fast the ones in this some of them run at you they run at you yeah it's like makes more fun remember that movie 28 Days Later where the zombies were running that's a scary zombie movie yeah running zombies are that's the that's the real zombie The Walking Dead zombies get the [ __ ] out of here [ __ ] you ain't getting me so disappointing like the with the first like five seasons were great how are they not all dead how are not all the zombies dead they all walk half a mile hour more and more zombies how's that possible kill them all it's so easy to kill them I Can't Get Enough zombie movies oh I love love I love the postapoc you know what I don't like Daryl using field tips so stupid why is he using field tips on his crossbow that drives me crazy that drives me crazy and he's like pulling him out loading him back up and you're like dude come on man like you're making me angry you don't lose any fletchings you don't get any passrs no passrs it's all just like sticking in their heads like what the [ __ ] are you talking about what the [ __ ] are you talking about this is the dumbest weapon ever ever yeah Daryl that [ __ ] field tip's got to go son you don't have any broadheads you got to put like a a a solid like triblade or something on there get some good like get a really car yeah that's what you want exactly yeah like a montech one those montech carbon Steels yeah send it what was that one the hide what was that yeah the hide dude yeah man that did a lot of damage I'm very impressed with that one cuz that one uh I got the 125 grain one which has the steel feral mhm and it uh it's got a 2-in cut with the mechanical blade and a 3/4 inch cut with the fixed so it doesn't make a big ho opening going in technical talk ladies and gentlemen yeah two and 3/4 um it's a broad head for archery it it's a the when it goes in that's when the blades open so the Rage which I used to use the
the t2 Now The Dudley version that opens up on the way in so it leaves a big hole all the way in but this one opens up inside so really you're penetrating with the fixed head and then once you're passing in the pressure is what makes those other two blades go so they really makes a pretty small entry hole but the exit hole is a crime scene the exit hole was a crime scene because you're going out with two and 3/4 inches and it's just instant death for the animal it's like super ethical I think when it comes to like the amount of damage they can do those mechanical they put animals down so quick so quick yeah there's something to be said for that giant cut that they make inside it's just so different like cams cams he th he's using a catapult it's basically a catapult yes that four blade carnivore thing that's insane it but cam changed my life like like he really did he was like create a big really big hole Yeah he goes I don't care what you do just create a giant hole and that's because you're you're going to put the arrow in the right spot if you create a giant hole then you're going to have a great Blood Trail and you're going to find your animal he rewrote my entire hunt sequence this year cuz you were before that you were penetration yeah right which is another way of looking at it right if you're thinking about a cut a cut that goes through the entire body is a very long cut and is always lethal if you get them in the vitals yep but you don't get a blood trail and it does they don't die as quick no the the dying is quick thing is the one in a hone last year that bull died in like less than 10 seconds I mean how many seconds was it seven if that maybe five ran up to the top of the hill and just fell down I've never I've never seen anything I've never seen anything die that fast and that's those big Mechanicals like and I'm not saying that because yeah you know you're Joe like you're just the dude on the side of the mountain that was shooting the ALK that I was watching like it [ __ ] died faster than anything I've seen even shot with a rifle and the CH cavity right so clearly differentiating between like yeah a head shot and a chest cavity I've never seen anything die that fast from an animal it was dead yeah I think there's something
to be said for those giant holes because it's just if you especially if you have a strong bow so if you have a bow that has a lot of kinetic energy and a lot of speed and you're shooting a heavy arrow and it's hitting that rib cage like there's something for that big cut it just stops them de CU are you at 80 84 yeah the new Bow's 8 for oh the new hoid is so smooth like that's oh it's so smooth I got to so they just came out yesterday yeah I got to go I I got to go find the new one I felt so special I had one for a couple months and I had to blur it out when I took pictures I know blur I feel like such a chump I was I was out there tone it's like I got the old one it's not a big deal man well I used to think that when I saw cam shoot his I'm like how could it be better these are so good how could they be better and then you shoot the new one you're like God damn it it's better it's super accurate like so dead in the hand like the the way the shot breaks it's just like they keep making it smoother smoother draw cycle it's faster which so you're doing 84 yeah what do you Garmin what's your what's your feet per second on it oh it's 293 or 294 so what are you shooting 450 475 475 okay yeah I bumped it up cuz I went to those 125 grain heads but my my bow went from 80 lb to 84 with the new one and then it kind kind of made up the difference so the 25 grains and it was basically the same kind of speed as with uh the last one which I had a 450 grain Arrow so this's like a I think there's probably like a number you shouldn't go below I don't know what that number is you know like grains like some people they'll hunt elk with like a 300 grain arrow and a lot of people like don't do that don't do that you can get away with it cuz they're like well my daughter shot an elk and it was a pass through and she's got a 50 lb B okay she got lucky she got lucky you need some for get in there like if you're shooting 500 on an 84 on a on a 84 lb 85lb bow so let's say you're doing even if you're doing 270 right that's still boom massive penetration massive kinetic energy especially if you have carbon arrows yeah I love those carbon Arrows with the the victories with the slick outside because you pull them out of Target so much easier who's making those the vaps the uh what what are they
called the tko's yeah I love those RI TKO that's it RI TKO those are great their their coating that they have on it is like it's so easy to a tlon or some [ __ ] yeah but you got to think that's that aids in penetration too it has to right I mean isn't that why guys like the thin diameter like cam shoots those I don't know if he's doing it now but he was for a long time he was shooting those 4mm arrows right those real skinny ones but the four mil I like lighted knocks and the 4mm with the lighted knocks make me nervous like the cuz knocks break sometimes and they're more vulnerable because they got that little light inside of them instead of being a big solid piece of plastic right you know like I always change them before hunts I always put fresh ones on I never trust ones that have been sitting around never trust ones that I've shot already I'll shoot them a bunch of times like for practice but they break sometimes and especially I'm not paying attention so I might be accidentally touching arrows I do the same thing like I have fresh arrows for hunting but they're the exact same setup for practice so that's why I like like the sever or something like that because the sever you can pin them and then I can just shoot the [ __ ] out of those and then just not not use the pin yeah no that's huge that's why I like them because I can shoot the same exact weight and dimensions and I know the flight characteristics are going to be the exact same versus sometimes when you get those um practice heads yeah they're different mhm they actually have different uh uh flight characteristics because the way that they're put together is not exactly the same and I believe in the fact that it's like hey man if you got a a slight fin on the front and it's a different fin on the back even though it's only an inch you still have to be 100% consistent to maintain the same flight character yeah that's why when guides get real nerdy about like what Helix like what kind of helical you have on the veins like what kind of twist you put in your veins and you have to have the uh you know a single bevel blade that twists for the Broadhead and the exact same direction you'll get a right twist with left veins then you'll get all [ __ ] up but there
ideas that you're trying to get it the the Broadhead to spin through the animal that's the whole idea behind the single bevel is that do you think that's true though there's something to it yeah there's something to single bevels because of the cut the way the edge is cut so for people listening single bevel means the edge angles in on uh one side double bevel means it comes together as a point right so think of a blade but a blade with only one side that you can you know you see like where the steel is is ground down to the edge the other side doesn't have that so the idea is that that creates this angle and that when you're spinning your arrow is spinning because the helical of your vein it goes into the animal's body cavity and the bevel in the Broadhead accentuates that spin and it continues that spin through the body causing like a whirlwind of trauma inside the animal and that it you know almost affect A's multiple blades cuz it's kind of spinning around it's not just cutting a straight line it's twisting but the question is like how much twist and is it more effective to have like a four blade thing like a four like a too of the arrow like one that you could you know those are I don't think it's true you don't think the spin the the bevel spin no I don't think it does I think it does a little cuz there's a guy named Lusk archery and he um does these tests on these things and he actually shoots them into ballistic gel and you can see them spin so some of them do spin but the I think it's too complex though once you because once you have a rib cage right and let's just say you go through the even the consistency of the rib cage so we say a perpendicular shop in the in the perpendicular shop from the rib cage right at 40 yards so we just keep all the variables basically the same even then there's no nicking of the rib there's no variation of the actual animal skin there's no uh slight courting away start courting towards there's no so ballistic jail I think there leaves a lot of questions for me so even though it's twisting in the ballistic gel because it's consistent you're shooting it directly perpendicular into a very consistent right uh format yeah and you're getting a consistent result you're not going to get a consistent result I just don't
believe you're going to get a consistent result through a rib cage well that's the reason why a lot of people like like Mechanicals it's one of the things they say is that the cut is so large when you get into the body cavity that you take out all the other variables it's going to do so much more trauma than something that's just a slit blade that let's say you do hit that rib cage and it does slice and only hit one lung because it deflected off of it and it doesn't spin at all and now you lost the animal whereas you get a mechanical it goes in there it creates this massive [ __ ] hole it does all this trauma going through two and 3/4 inches of trauma going through the animal the odds of that animal surviving are gone if you get them in the body cavity they're gone and I've seen people hit people with really good shots with small broadheads and not do much damage to the point where the animal runs off they have a hard time blood trailing it it's even if the animal dies 30 minutes 60 minutes later you might have a hard time finding it especially if you bumped it 100% I've had that exact experience like multiple times with those little broadheads yeah man like yeah yeah it cam like I said he he changed the entire way he thought about it because he's like create a big hole well he changed his thought about it too he was always a fix blade guy always yeah and then uh um who told him to do that oh Wayne did from uh the bow rack really yeah Wayne said you got to try these carnivores so just trust me just try them it's like these things are crazy it opens up these four blade catapult it looks like it looks like one of those uh turkey broadheads you know what Ian that's what it looks like crazy and because of the design it's just like the hides it opens up from the front yeah so once it's inside then it's doing all its damage so you don't have to worry about it getting destroyed going in through rib cages and stuff as much as you do with other things cuz it's really just going to get a little hole going in and then once it's in then it's opening it's kind of a perfect idea the only thing that's that people don't like like Dudley doesn't like it doesn't leave a big hole in the outside like I talked to Dudley about it he's like I want extreme trauma I just want extreme I want one big giant cut with all that
energy just going through the like a he think of it like sticking a samurai sword like through the the animal's body right and you know obviously he's one of the best bow Hunters on Earth too so like there's a bunch of different philosophies on it but I think the idea of the mechanical blade is legit and I like the hybrid idea the best because then you always have a fixed blade no matter what I like the I like the hybrid I obviously this year was great because I like the hybrid a lot more than like going either pure mechanical or pure fixed yeah you feel like you got a little insurance policy yeah yeah it's like The Best of Both Worlds you're like okay cool let's let's uh let's let's keep consistent with this and everybody I talked to you know they have well throughout the past year several years they have all different opinions which is broadheads are like you know [ __ ] everybody has a [ __ ] different opinion on it and you know John has his opinion cam has his opinion everybody has their opinion like my buddy Dan uh elkshape do you ever watch that sure yeah he's got his opinion yeah he's got his opinion all these guys have opinions so I'm just trying to like and they're all successful too exactly that's the crazy thing it's like you're trying to sort it out like who's right and so I'm just trying to like create the data and put it down into what works for me and I I don't have any sponsorships so I'm just which allows me to be fairly empirical in the way that I'm actually selecting the the criteria but I also don't have the Reps these guys do either so you have to kind of rely on their their data and then collect all of it and then kind of put it in one one one case if that Mak sense yeah yeah no absolutely I'm always [ __ ] around with things that's one of the cool things about archery is all the tinkering you know there's like so many different things you can try like this year is the first time I tried a 15inch front bar you know I went to a 15inch front bar with a 12-in back bar ooh I like it so much better really because yeah because I was using that quivalizer and the problem is with wind it's a sail that sail just pushes your PIN around too much bro I love that guy though oh yeah love it's a great look the
quivalizer I used it for years it's a great invention but I find that with wind in particular I know on a long the the balance that I would get from that quivalizer I can get from that I'm using a cutter stabilizer with a 15inch front bar and a 12in back bar right and it's perfect it's holds so good it holds so nice it's just so it feels so dead on and this year I went with a 10 uh downward angle of the front bar yeah I was going to ask you about that why why did you go with it down versus what what matters whether or not it's doesn't make any sense it doesn't make any sense but I was talking to these archers who do it and uh Levi Morgan does it his it goes at a downward angle too and I I was talking to this Archer and he said it actually for some reason it helps you hold better like you it locks in better really yeah the slight downward thing with when you're pulling back there's something about the slight downward angle of it that it lets you hold better with the same amount of weight right because it's going in a different direction than just straightforward it doesn't totally make sense but I really believe in it like when I started doing I was like oo there's a little different feel to this I love that I love all the tinkering you know I love the tinkering favorite thing it's so much fun CU it's it's like there's all these different ways to do it you know there's all these different releases there's all these different styles of releases there's so many different things could [ __ ] with you could just go down Rabbit Hole after Rabbit Hole I you know that's what I did you and I I would say like 90% of their texts are around releas yeah like what release am I doing and I went I think I bought 20 releases this year like over the course of 23 24 after you know the the hunting season mhm and it's fun it's just pure fun okay dude I know I got it it's like 250 bucks sure you buy a release and I I [ __ ] with it for you know a couple weeks I get the pros and cons about it and then I pass it over to uh what the guy that runs uh my my little bow shop there Black Rifle Isaac I pass it off to him like sell it on eBay I don't give a [ __ ] about this thing and I got a box of them yeah I I got a box of different releases I've tried everything from four finger
releases to two finger releases what I really like is that one with the clicker that Onyx with the clicker it's got this little click and then I feel like I can shoot that as good as I can shoot a hinge so you get the best of both worlds you get like the ability to make it go off if you have to you know if there's some weird situation where you know there's you have like a literally a split second to make a very close shot you can get away with that or you could shoot at a longdistance Target and feel just as comfortable as you do with a hinge you know because you have there's something about having that little click and that onx Clicker like once you feel that little click you know it's about to go off you just pull through it it's so funny I'm I'm the exact opposite I hate that [ __ ] click like when I'm when I'm on the click I'm like click like go off I just want it to go off it does [ __ ] with your head but one thing it does is it puts all your concentration in the shop process instead of like hammering the trigger just all you hear that click you know it's right there you just pull through it and it's so it's such a delicate little click that once you get it in your head and you shoot with it a bunch of times you like welcome it like there we are click come on okay so you're you're like come looking forward to it yeah I'm wait and then the click is like settle in we're right there it's like that one extra step that gives you this one extra little piece of concentration Joel Turner talks about it in that whole shot IQ process and he developed it he developed that Onyx clicker so that one he developed he developed it yes oh [ __ ] okay cool so that one little saying that one little click is what what separates it from a regular trigger and then blow and then you get all your thought process into the shot process and just making sure you do a good shot huh yeah okay all right I've used it I it's a thing you got to get used to like everything else like but then you talk to cam Hanes he just [ __ ] hammers that trigger he shoots everything so it's like some people can't do it that way it's it's weird everybody's got a different way they like to do it it pisses me off so bad cuz I see like some of my buddies like um you know Chris
Jensen is the country music singer have you ever like uh he and I hunted together a few times in Colorado he just hammers the trigger it's the craziest thing you've ever seen in your life he's just like pow like that's kind of how cam does it and I look at he does that touches off the trigger I look at him every time I'm like oh my God man how are you like hitting the Target and he's like just Center mask just over and over again but it's I think it's a mind [ __ ] that a lot of people put their head into that you're going to get Target panic and that you can't control your emotions during the shop process to the point where you could command trigger but that doesn't make any sense to me doesn't make any sense from like I can understand the psychological aspect of Target panic but I have a feeling that it comes from two different things it comes from Buck Fever which is like you're freaking out you never shot a buck this big before Oh my God he's right there and you you freak out that's normal but that's an experience thing and you have to learn what that is and if you do it a bunch of times then you get to the point where like oh I know how to control myself I know what this is and the more often you do it like if you can go on a couple of pig hunts and then go on an elk hunt you're way more in the groove you're way you're like right there you know what to do you know how to do it and you could touch the trigger off 100% cam does it every goddamn time I think it comes from the target archery Community because I think those guys are staring at these [ __ ] little tiny X's from 20 yards and they got to shoot 30 of them in a row and I think you're you get mind [ __ ] and that's why those guys have hinges and all these crazy and 40inch [ __ ] stabilizers and V's that come out the back and it's all about not moving plop plop but that's not bow hunting and we were talking about this that I think the difference between bow hunting and target archery is like the difference between doing free throws and playing basketball right right yeah yeah free throws nobody's [ __ ] with you you're on the line you can measure it you can sit there and you could throw it different sport basketball you're running around you got to people same
same sub skill set right that's hunting hunting is basketball target archery is free throws that's what I think yeah that's what I think and I think you can't tell a guy like cam ha is doing it the wrong way that if the best guy does it that way you have to go okay why do we think you can't do it that way well it's psychological it's all psychological it's all Panic it's all not being able to control your nerves if you can shoot perfectly that way at a Target you should be able to shoot perfectly at an animal you should be able to the different it's not the animal isn't like some [ __ ] invulnerable thing that like you have to do it a certain way or the frequency is not correct no it's an animal it's like just like a Target it the Army Marksmanship team is not Delta Force like that's like right right right very different very good Shooters Army Marksmanship team probably extremely proficient Shooters maybe even better so than Delta however it's a different scenario based activity completely different yes yeah yeah just cuz you shoot accurate at a stationary Target doesn't mean you understand how to the freak out when you have a yeah a a horse coming in with swords on aack the freak out it's a [ __ ] different thing man it's screaming it's like ah I'm super horny I'm GNA [ __ ] you I'm going to kill you I don't know and you're like could you imagine if you came over from Europe and there was no elk over there and you were camping in the woods you're one of those first guys your stupid [ __ ] burlap tent and you hear be like demons this [ __ ] you don't know you're like this is thing going to is it going to run me through to die 100% going to kill you I would be more scared of that than a bear yeah this has giant swords on it well if it runs straight at you and just impales you and he's I had one come in I be more scared of a bear though I feel like I grab a antler if I hadn't seen any one of these before and like something comes in and it's got giant pointy things on its head and I'm like trying to be completely blank slate and I've got this other fuzzy thing that I can't really see it's like Claws and teeth I'm be like my God I'm way more afraid of this thing with swords on its head depends on the size of the bear depends on what
kind of bear we're talking about you know yeah like if it's a little black bear I don't give a [ __ ] about those I don't care I don't care about those things at all like it's it's so they're they're kind of obnoxious did you see that one that got shot in New Jersey that's 880 lb 770 lbs dressed it's [ __ ] crazy in New Jersey D in New Jersey that's a in the east coast how is that possible they have the most they have the most black bears per capita in the whole country we've played a hundred times the video of the Bears wrestling in the middle of a neighborhood and far Rockway big [ __ ] black bears just going to war in the middle of the street I had um I grew up in this middle of the like logging Community out in the middle of nowhere and there was this dude that used to keep it's weo it's out in the middle of nowhere dude it's like so hilljack but it's awesome and my grandfather everybody they're all hardcore loggers but I'm not exaggerating we had a guy just outside of town had a pet bear a pet black bear how old was it I mean it's was a full grown [ __ ] black bear dude oh my God and he would just this is the sad part like he had like defanged it because it would slobber on people God and but oh God he had a full-on black bear that would suck on his arm basically oh Jesus and uh yeah I me he fanged a couple people accidentally he what he fanged a couple people accidentally playing with them oh God so he made him gummy yeah gummy what did he feed it who the [ __ ] knows man like donuts these When I See This these are loggers you you know these are these are how long did he had this bear probably 10 years I would imagine man like like you know I I I tend to like you know um what a crazy [ __ ] turn down the volume on my like redneck upbringing hold on how did he did he keep this thing in his yard or did it just run we would drive by it on our way to another town and he had a [ __ ] bear in his front yard in a cage it was insane dude a cage oh no I thought it was just running around no no uh he kept it in a cage big cage just imagine he never let it out no he'd let it out all the time you like [ __ ] walk it around like the guy was a complete insane person oh my
God and my uncle my great uncle is like 80 years old CRA complete crazy person too taught himself how to how to fly back in the in the day came back from World War II he was on um Navy he he's a Navy ship ship guy T himself how to fly he would fly around this Piper Super Cub and back in the day you you get a bounty for cougar Tails so he had a Walker Hound and he would put him in the front seat of his Piper super CB and he fly around looking for tracks land his plane in the middle of [ __ ] nowhere kick his dog out so you tell me these stor and I mean I hunted with this guy forever and the dog would find the bear yeah you punch him out on the bear or the cougar or whatever it was tree it tree it shoot it with a 22 Hornet because his whole thing was you let them bleed out in their lungs and then they'll fall out of the tree you don't want to shoot them with too big of a caliber because it knocks them out of the tree and they run around if you shoot them with small caliber and penetrates both lungs they're lungs fill up oh God they drown and they fall out Jesus Christ this is what like my Cecil ball was my my uncle back in the did he have a backup gun oh yeah this guy was completely insane he had like by when I was be comfortable with a cougar and a 22 dude this guy was 80 years old when I was hunting cougars with him back in like the pain Idaho and he was tell he would tell me stories and I would only go hunting with him to listen to the stories because they were the best [ __ ] stories on the planet he crashed his his plane he got fired from The Sawmill he was buzzing the tower buzzing the tower crashed his [ __ ] plane into his boss's office he was like [ __ ] you I'm out of here dude he was a complete insane person and he was telling me this other story and these are like the the summarized version the the the the the cliff notes of it but dude he would bake cougars in the middle of the mountains by himself he's fly his plane landed in the middle of the snow find a spot for him bake cougars and he had this cougar up in this Log Jam above a creek and he was telling me this this cougar had tucked himself underneath the logs above the creek and there was snow on top of the logs there's logs and then
he was like crawling in underneath in the middle of the mountains with like a 357 snub nose he climbed into the cougar Den cuz he's like these this cougar is eating my dog and he's like reaching around my uncle who had like three Strokes by the time that I was talking to him he's like and he' stutter a little bit he's driving like 80 mes an hour around like like crazy logging roads in the middle of nowhere I'm white knuckling the his Toyota Tacoma with with cougar Hounds in the back of the Toyota going oh my God I'm going to [ __ ] die any moment and he's like yeah and I got my you know he's like he he had a he had a slight stutter and pull out his snubnose 357 like a gangster and reach underneath the logs and start pulling the trigger once he found the right fur between the cougar and his dogs oh my God this dude was completely insane when it came to doing things this is my uncle this is like the guy that I'm like hanging up fing the logs and felt his way to the cat yes with a snub nose whatever you know 357 oh my God to kill the cougar because he was he pulling up his dogs and eating his dogs oh my God mhm yeah holy [ __ ] like when you talk about where I grew up and like the guys I grew up with cuz I you know I'm a Green Beret you know I was like H you [ __ ] [ __ ] oh oh yeah oh you're not like walking around in the woods with a saw on your back you know I'm like yeah just jumping on of planes I guess you know that's hilarious they look down on it like that's an easy job you're not a [ __ ] Lumberjack [ __ ] Lumberjack you're kind of a [ __ ] that's so crazy I go home my dad would make fun of me like isn't it interesting that there's like levels of discipline and hard work in the world like there's there there's like if you want to be a logger there's no easy logger job they don't exist that is a hard [ __ ] job those are hard men yes you you want to be a logger and you're going to do it for 30 years you're going to chop and carry trees for 30 [ __ ] years you're going to be living in the woods chopping and carrying three trees for 30 [ __ ] years and like falling trees wrapping big cables around them and they be like
oh you carried a backpack through the woods that's pretty cool man I mean you think about the different like groups of people that live these extreme lives and how many people are at the coffee shop with blue hair that are totally oblivious and they think hard work is like you know I'm dealing with my trauma and I'm going I'm going to Starbucks today to protest and is a guy with a log on his back and he's 75 years old and he can't wait to get off work so can kill cougars with a pistol with a [ __ ] 357 and we all exist on the same land mass yeah some dude that looks like he's like building bikes in the 1800s with the [ __ ] curly Co mustache it's like waxed up and you've got a another guy that's like 80 years old that's had three Strokes it's driving around in the mountains it's running up a mountain at a six-minute mile chasing his dogs to go kill a cougar nah not the same person not the same order of priorities you know what I mean well there's probably a lot of those guys back in the day yeah I bet that was a common type of human in like 1820 yeah but you ran it all that was like how you had to stay alive you know you live to be about 40 then you had a stroke everybody died nobody got any vitamins eating [ __ ] cornmeal and GRL and trying to eat squirrels [ __ ] you're barely getting by bar like you're eating you're eating a bear that's how [ __ ] nasty they preferred Bears yeah that's what's crazy apparently they they thought it tasted like beef they cooked a lot of bears God gross dud some of are gross the Grizzlies apparently are super gross I asked cam just released a new video Redemption a grizzly bear hunt yeah yeah I saw it and uh it's good great video but uh he ate the bear I was like how did it taste like it was okay and then I talked to James he's like it was [ __ ] horrible it's horrible it tastes disgusting but blackbear didn't taste that bad if you get it from a good spot apparently like Rella says the the blueberries bears that been eating blueberries are the best tasting meat ever but that I think that's also relative to Bare meat so they're saying
no he says it's like a great tasting meat I don't believe you don't think if it was like flavored with like all they ate was blueberries I think the problem is they eat so much rotten [ __ ] yeah and that affects the way they taste but I think if they're eating only blueberries like did you ever see his video mhm with the blueberry fat it's like purple fat it's crazy he said that's delicious he said it's so delicious I believe him I I love you think he's a [ __ ] liar I I love Steve he's awesome he's so much fun to hunt with and he's so but I just firmly disagree with him on this where I'm like bro like no what is the best tasting game animal for you moose moose Mo interesting 100% good in the for me or for my kids moose is the only game animal my kids are like yeah really yeah they are 100% chips in they look forward to it not only do they look forward to it they request it it's the only game meat that's interesting that's very interesting like I can eat elk but I'm the only one at the table eating on interesting yeah yeah I only shot one moose ever and I ate it and I remember it was good but uh that was with Ben O'Brien like 10 years ago but I I haven't had a lot of experience with it for me it's Axis deer and Elk are the two best ones elk first Axis deer second yeah do you like axis I love axis it's crazy what it tastes like right it doesn't taste like a deer like this is a totally different kind of animal it's not even it's not even beef it's like a clean it's almost sweet yeah it's a clean beef yeah it's an interesting flavor and the fact that you know they have so many of them Hawaii like that Maui Nei venison company for people want to buy Wild game you can get actual Wild game from Maui Nei venison they'll ship you access deer Frozen they have meat sticks it's [ __ ] great I'm not affiliated with them I know the owners but I don't have anything to do with them it's but it's a great company and they're doing something that you actually have to do there's no natural Predators on Maui so they they have to shoot these X's toer they're [ __ ] everywhere they're like they're rodents basically and they're delicious rodent it's a crazy animal to hunt too because they grew up with tigers so they evolve with tigers so they move so [ __ ] fast they are the fastest animal I've ever
hunted I I shot at a d at 30 yards beded and she dodged the arrow it doesn't even make sense they move so fast it doesn't even make sense so I I started shooting them at longer distance away because the arrows quiet and they can't hear the the string slap yeah so they can't hear the bow so I started just shooting them a little bit further away they still hear that if you we stopped hunting them in the day cuz in the morning there's no wind we started hunting them only in the afternoon because there's more wind and the wind at least covers a little bit of it but Dudley got video of me shooting this sax of steer at 80 yards and it's a perfect shot perfect it's going right to the vitals at 8 yards perfect break and then 10 yards the arrows 10 yards from it he goes and he's gone within 10 yard he was gone he was nowhere near where the arrow hit what he moved out he heard the Arrow coming and he moved out of the way 10 yards from him there's a video of it slow-mo video cuz it's a lighted knock you see a perfect line headed straight for his vitals and then gone gone not even not even close like a bullet I missed him by like a whole quarter he was gone he just ran away like they they they they hear things they think a tiger's coming they just go they just go it just makes you feel so slow when you watch how they move like people suck we're so [ __ ] clumsy and soft and we're so vulnerable my back hurts my my arrow that's moving at you 300 feet per second it has no chance no no chance chance especially if they see the bow go off or they hear the bow go off they're gone and they're delicious and they're everywhere in Texas too that's the wild thing about Texas you could just bring whatever you want in what you want zebras you could bring zebras you had zebras I know I did [ __ ] you can have [ __ ] zebras my wife saw a zebra one day when she was driving the kids to school I know we had I saw a zebra I think I saw a zebra I so you probably did some [ __ ] probably has a zebra the zebra got out my kids would be like driving around like let's go look at the zebras okay let's go look at the zebras you could have zebras in Texas but I love it I love it that you can go to like when we went to that place down in
uh South Texas that ranch that my friend owns when we went went down there like there's African animals here yeah if these crazy black bucks and all these different animals that not from anywhere near here and there's thousands of them like this is nuts well you shot that um Neil Guy yes yeah yeah but everybody says that's like the best meat ever so put it on the scale associated with everything else it's really good it's all really good all wild game from a healthy animal is delicious I I find at least ulet they're all delicious never found one that I didn't like but uh I still think elk is the best that's just my I like the flavor also I like elk hunting so much it means more to me when I'm eating a piece of elk I think I'm just biased I think if there's anything it's I just like eating them I like eating them and I also think it's going to sound crazy but I think you get their spirit I think there's something about these super potent wild animals that you kill with an arrow and then you're eating it like you get the the spirit of that experience the spirit of that animal I think it it empowers you in some very strange physiological way I really do I think it's they're so vitamin rich like they're such athletes the way they run up a mountain like you're getting these nutrients from that animal that I don't think it's like any other animal because they're so much stronger than all those other animals they just run they have 900 lounds they run right up the top of of a mountain side like it's nothing like this is crazy you watch them when they get winded and they [ __ ] run over the top of a hill that takes you 40 minutes to to crawl up they just run up it when you eat that thing you're like you just feel it you know you feel it and your your body feels it you get like a little boost yeah it's a it's electric yeah you I feel the same way I've given it to people that don't even hunt and they go dude I feel so good after I ate this I yeah there's something to that it's superfood it it is a superfood my neighbors when I gave them you know elk or whatever it is they're like dude this is amazing yeah like yeah this is what it feels like to be a hunter this is what it feels like to go out kill something process it put in a package and it's special it's meaningful it's
it's the whole celebration and I hate to say it like that but it is it's like this is you said it earlier and actually I wanted to what you call it like a an assassin for your food or something like that Supermarket assassin yeah Supermarket assassin like this is the difference is over here you think this is one it tastes different two there's a definitive meaning you're associating with it so there's no way that you can tell me that there's not a psychological and nutrient connection between those two where it makes something more meaningful and beneficial specifically for you there's just no way you can tell me that sound better right like a good meal with people you love I feel like almost gives you extra nutrients almost like there's an extra good feeling about it's why people like eating together MH you know eating good food with people you care about having fun the whole experience is better for your overall being it's a difference between like jacking off in a porta potty and eating a meal with your [ __ ] family right it's like there's like a huge difference like one is like gross and a little bit shameful and disgusting and just like a one's a Jack's box cheeseburger the other is an elk that you cooked on your own Grill yeah exactly yeah it's a big difference man yeah it's um I'm glad I found it I'll tell you that it's uh it's also it's so hard to do you know we both had our trials and tribulations uh elk bow hunting and it's just it's so difficult to do that the people that do it well you you the people that are successful you know how hard it is to do you're like God damn you pulled it off like that that's a hunting elk with a bow in the wild is a real thing even you the places we go are better they have more elk and stuff it's always hard folks it's hard it's always the the problem with the public land thing think is the public this [ __ ] I have so many friends that have terrible stories about guys winding elk on purpose blowing elk out they're all competing against the same packs of elk or the same uh groups of uh of of hunters are competing against the same elk groups it's like it's crazy it's like you you these these herds of animals are getting getting like winded on two and three
sides because people are like moving in trying to get them right you know it's just the the ideal situation would be that I think the ideal situation would be like you know they're trying to do that um that American what is it called the American serengetti project they're trying to like rewi a whole section of the country they're buying up land and they want to like bring back Buffalo and bring back all these animals if everybody like at one time in their life could have like some sort of a hunt where they they like someone shows them how to do it someone takes them out they get an animal and they cook and eat that animal if you're a meat eater I think at one time in your life you should try to do that I think that may be the solution for people to understand what it's all about just one time in your life or even go with someone when they're doing it one time just know what that's like cuz it's a it ignites a little part of your DNA that you didn't even know was in there there's like a little part of us that for tens of thousands of years the only way we survived is hunting yeah thousands and thousands and thousands of years just baked into our DNA and when you're in there and you're in those woods and you got that Rangefinder and that elk is 52 yards away and you see him walking through the bushes and you know you got a window and it's like a part of your DNA that just goes yeah this is what we're doing this is what we're doing now lock in lock in get the animal bring it back it's like some crazy like ancient Primal code and I tell people it's the same thing when you catch a fish when you catch a fish it's like this excitement you catch a f that's built into your code because now you're going to live you're going to live you got food for your family it's in there a human reward system and that's how we're supposed to get food we're supposed to appreciate the food cuzz it's hard to get that's what it's supposed to be it's not supposed to be go to the supermarket and look the ground beef is $5 a pound and [ __ ] you never chase anything you never go kill anything you're just sitting there eating your [ __ ] bowl of pasta watching TV easy it's so easy right it's just it's not supposed to be that easy it's not supposed to be that
easy to live if it is you're going to get anxiety you're not designed for that you're designed for like trauma and testing you're designed for struggle you're designed to overcome things and if you're not ever overcoming anything you're filled with anxiety yeah I don't deserve this like how do I deserve this Majestic [ __ ] animal that just consumed I didn't earn it no I just paid for it which is weird doing some weird job and then you got these hit men out there whacking cows Supermarket Hitman that's like the best that that is one of the best quotes I've got awesome I mean there's anything that's there's nothing grosser in this country than factory farming it's the grossest thing ever they have laws where you're not even allowed to film it because it's so gross no it's disgust gag laws where you go to jail if you filmed horrific acts which is completely insane when you think about it yeah when you think about how easy it is to go get your food and if people knew especially me eaters I I've never quite understood me eaters that are anti-hunting that makes no sense to me like zero sense how can you think that this is a better way where you're caging an animal filling it for full of like hormones and supplemental nutrition and corn and all these things and then you're putting a bolt through its head but I'm not there and then I'm at Starbucks protesting yeah yeah yeah yeah there it's like but you're Know M got in my my hand but now I'm putting it in my mouth just because I want to actually feel the significance of this event in the Contex of like I don't have any blood lust I just don't want to be a hypocrite right it's also one of those things like if you haven't experienced it you really don't understand it and when you're trying to explain it to people they're looking at it from like the cartoon Disney version of hunters and movie version of hunters where they're all [ __ ] dude we should wrap this up because we got to go me camp for dinner it's almost 6 o'clock we've done like [ __ ] dude how many hours do we do almost five bro almost 5 hours holy [ __ ] like that all right appreciate you brother brother all right bye [Music] [Applause]
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