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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. >> I hate the desk. The desk is a mess. Cuz my mind is a mess. I wish my mind was >> You're a creative. That's how it works. >> Is that how it works? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Is that the excuse we use? >> I'm trying to make myself feel better. >> I think that's the excuse we use for each other. >> Yeah. Like I'm a creative. It's It's my go-to default. Uh, >> is the compression on? Something sounds weird. >> Yeah. >> Oh, it's just really loud. Something happen. Maybe my ears got better. What happened? >> You can hear now. My ears aren't very good. >> Sometimes I, you know, when I'm underwater for too long or I swim or something like that and then I forget that my ears have water in them and then they come out like, "Oh, there's that moment where like, oh, this is how I hear." [sighs] >> I feel like I have the in- ear monitors for my job and >> Oh, right. I still like I've been using them for I don't know 20 years and I'm still not used to them. Like I come from like honky tonk world where you can hear everything. >> Yeah. >> Hear the room. >> Well, it's so good that people have them now cuz boy so many people I know from back in the day are almost deaf. >> Oh yeah. We I'm so glad we have them. It's not the same. I mean you don't feel the energy of the room but it saved your hearing [snorts and laughter] which is >> it's a good tradeoff. >> I mean you can hear enough. It's a good trade-off. And so many of my friends who shoot guns, too. Same thing, >> you know, they started hunting when they were kids and no ear protection back then and you know, you say something to them and they're like, "What?" Like, they're all they're all half dead. >> Yeah. My dad was police officer and um he's I swear that's why my parents are still married cuz [laughter] he can't hear at all. The dog ate his hearing aid and he never
replaced it. And I'm like, "Is that on purpose, Dad?" >> That's [laughter] hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah, you definitely develop an ability to shut things off. >> Yeah. >> Otherwise, because men and women think and communicate differently. And if you want your wife to communicate with you the way your buddies do, then well, you married a dude. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, if you want to be married to a woman, >> you have to like listen and everything. Both ears. >> And sometimes it's like roundabout [laughter] journey to get to the point and you can't go, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about?" Cuz then like oh my god, why are you so hostile? So you have to go, okay, okay, >> selective hearing. >> Yeah, selective hearing. >> But my husband will like I'll say it and I'll be like, "Say it back to me." [laughter] And like, and I found that when I do that, it's worse cuz I'm like I'm like, "Say say what I said back to you. Get bananas [snorts] at the store." So he comes home, I'm like, "Where's bananas? I didn't get any." [laughter] So don't repeat it. Just hold it in there. >> That's hilarious. He blocked it out for himself. >> Yeah, exactly. [snorts] >> That's very funny. Yeah. the the hearing thing the hearing thing is kind of nuts that no one knew like it just makes you wonder like when did people when I wonder when people were aware that like loud music was going to kill your hearing. I don't know. Like just I mean I' I've had the in ears for a long time and they did save all of our ears but it's like I think that and then like the longer you go like still even though I have those like I turn them up way too loud [laughter] >> because I'm like missing >> right >> the energy. >> Do you ever just say [ __ ] it for this show? >> Take one out. Like sometimes when it's like a house band you just get to use wedges. I'm like yes this is amazing.
>> What's a wedge? >> It's just like the little onstage monitor. >> Oh >> you know what I mean? So but it's just so loud. I mean, it's so loud. And um I also do um I do mounted shooting and so >> I saw that. That's crazy. >> And so it's a good reminder like the first time I took off on the first I just started last year. I'm not good at all, but I love it. And I took off on my horse and I forgot to wear earplugs and I was like, well, I'm a musician. I should probably plug my ears when I'm shooting a revolver off of [laughter] a horse. >> Yeah. But it's Is it a revolver using a regular bullet? >> No. It's black powder. >> Just the powder itself. >> Yep. And so spectator safe, horse safe. >> So it just sprays >> sprays powder >> powder and air >> at the balloon >> and it pops balloons. >> Yeah. >> How what what distance? >> Um it could shoot I think 15 >> yards. >> Feet. >> Feet. Oh, okay. Yeah. >> So you're just riding around the horse popping balloons. >> Uhhuh. I love it. [laughter] >> I do. >> What was the origin of that sport? >> I don't know. Actually, one of my best friends, her name is Kenda Lansain, and she uh lives out in Scottdale. She's like the 10 time world champion. And >> Whoa, whoa, hold on. There's a world championship of popping balloons on a horse. >> Yeah, it's called mounted shooting and cowboy mounted shooting, but she's cowgirl. And she's like, "Guys, girls, everybody. She's a badass." And uh became friends with her and I just never had the guts to go do it, you know? And finally my husband was like, "Stop talking about it and go out there and do it. Go out there and shoot with her. You're going to love it." >> Wow. >> And I got addicted immediately. It's just like something different. >> Well, it's very wild west, right? It's
essentially training how to fight with a gun on a horse. >> Yeah. >> That's all it is. >> Except it's the balloon is the perpetrator. [laughter] >> But I mean, it's that's how you would train, right? Without killing people. >> And it's like, you know, just something that like started a new hobby at 40. Like it's just try to like preoccupy my mind and and I don't know. I think it inspires me to like take a break from thinking about what I think about every single day, which is music industry, you know? So, just like trying new things and saying, "What the hell? Let's go for it." >> I think that's very good for artists. I I try to talk to comedians about that all the time. I'm like, "Forget pick up something, man." >> Yeah. Play golf, go fishing, do something. For me, I play pool. Do something. >> I just started golf, too. I'm in my try new things era. >> There you [laughter] go. Your try new things era. >> Yes. My my yes era. like, "Sure, I'll do it." Uh, started golf. Not too great yet, but I did. I just played the RDER Cup. >> Oh, nice. >> They had like a celebrity. >> Somebody heard I played golf, and when they heard that, I literally started like that day. >> Jamie's a nut. Jamie's a full-on golf nut. Like, >> I literally was like cramming my ass off like this September because I was on tour all summer and I didn't have time to practice. And you know how that feels like golf is you have to practice. And >> do you have a coach? >> I had a coach. Yes, Dan. I have a coach and he came with me as my caddy. Very helpful. Um, but it was it was an experience. It was a lot of pressure. [laughter] >> Did you feel it even though like nobody expected you to win? >> Like Yeah. I mean, I just felt like what what what the hell have I done when I got there? It's like playing doing something you don't do in front of people, >> right?
>> Do it. You just don't do it a lot. >> Yeah. And I don't I do things in front of people, but it's singing. >> You do things in front of people and you're really good at it. That's the difference. >> Well, that's the thing. Doing something that you suck at in front of people is a very scary place to be. [laughter] >> Right. Right. >> Jamie has OJ Simpson's golf clubs. >> A couple of them. >> Not all of them. I have a few. >> How many do you have? [laughter] >> It's not really awesome at all. >> They're haunted. >> Whatever you're into. >> Couple dry. How many you got? Three? >> No. I mean, I got a whole set. But >> do you use them? >> I have used one of them. >> Is did you hit? Well, >> I have. That's why I use it. [laughter] >> Why are they bluster curse? >> I don't know. I mean, >> well, he bought it as a goof, you know. >> Yeah, it's just fun to talk about. It's a fun >> one of those things conversation starter. >> It came up. Was it Did you get him after he died? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got him like 6 months ago. >> Yeah. >> I forgot. I forgot when he died. >> Uh, a couple years ago. [snorts] >> Well, that's cool. I mean, hey, >> I guess. But it is really important having some kind of a thing that you do to take your mind off of the business because the people that I know where their mind is only on show business, whatever it is, music, comedy, whatever it is, they go crazy. you you can eventually get lost in your own little world. Like you need a little break. >> You do. And I I think it's like, you know, especially if you're like a writer, like you got to go live to write about it. >> Or what are you writing about? Same [ __ ] you already said, you know? >> It's like I need to go live a life and gather information and be around different people and >> yeah, >> sort of open my circle up to just >> I don't know, different experiences. Different environment.
>> Yeah. My friend Ari does that. He disappears for like three months every year and a half or so. Like he gets rid of his phone, gets rid of his email. >> He like goes off grid. >> Oh, he goes off grid. He goes to Asia. He backpacks through Asia. And he's famous. He's a famous comedian. And he doesn't give a [ __ ] He just goes and vanishes for like We can't find him. No one knows where he is. I don't hear from him for like three, four months. I just hope he's alive. >> Does it change him? >> Oh yeah. He comes back weird. He's weird already. He's weird as well. He's weirder when he comes back cuz he's, you know, been living in foreign countries for, you know, a long time. >> Well, I'm not I mean, I'm just shooting balloons and swinging a golf club. [laughter] >> Nothing as cool as that. >> But the thing you're doing um the thing about both of those things is they require all of your focus while you're doing I mean, if you're riding a giant animal while you're shooting a gun, like there's no room for thinking about, oh, I got to do laundry, you know? There's no room. You just you're just doing that thing only. >> Yeah. That's what that's what I think I loved about it and got addicted to. >> Yeah. >> You know, and I guess I don't really have I always say I don't have like an adrenaline junkie in me, but I guess I'd have to have a little bit for joining the circus [laughter] like I did, you know, like [gasps] Yes, you do. >> It's kind of joining the circus. >> Yeah. So, but like I think that just that little that the focus and the little jolt that you get of like >> you know the same kind of high we get like after a show, you know? It was like I still guess I need that but just in a different form. >> Yeah. Joining the rodeo. >> There's there's something about shooting at things too. I do archery and there's something about shooting at things that also just really cleans your mind because in that moment while you're pulling a trigger, there's no room for anything else. If you're trying to hit a target, there's no room for anything else. And it just it pushes all that stuff away. It gives you like a little
little mental vacation. >> Yeah. 100%. And then you come back like cleaner. >> What kind of bow are you shooting? >> I shoot a compound bow. >> Compound bow. >> Yeah, [clears throat] a hoy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I used to shoot bows. I haven't a long time, but >> Oh, really? >> I I got him back out during 2020 when I had all the time in the world. And um my husband's from New York City, so I was like, I got these bows. I'll teach you how to shoot a bow. So, we just set up the targets and got them all fixed up. And it was fun. I mean, it is fun. It's the same thing I think you're talking about. It's focus. It's just even if it's just for a little while, it's that little moment in time that this is all I'm doing right now, >> right? Have you ever bow hunted? I >> I used to be a hunter. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I did. I hunted for a long time. My dad >> treeand. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Or ground blind, either way. Um bow hunting was my absolute favorite to to do because it took the focus and it was intimate. >> Yeah. >> And it took a lot of skill and practice >> certainly >> to make sure you're g Yeah. Um >> whitetail. >> Whitetail. >> Oh, nice. But I raised a baby deer, a buck. >> Oh, that's a problem. >> Yep. [laughter] >> That's a problem. >> So, my hunting days are behind me. >> He sold my heart. >> We found a buck with a broken leg on our property and my wife took to feeding it. >> Yeah. >> And uh all of her enthusiasm for me hunting kind of went out the window. >> It changes things. >> Yeah. Because it's kind of like a dog. Like they're >> He was just like a dog. Like they're sweeten right up to you. wild ass whitetail deer like became like my pet >> and it's different than any other feral
animal and that they domesticate like that. >> They really do. Like he was literally I'd come home and he would run over to me like a dog. Like >> so definitely changed my mind. >> Well, [laughter] I think it's because they're dumb, unfortunately. I think nature has them set up to be not very intelligent and just food. >> Yeah. you know, and he's a beautiful food thing. Yeah, >> that's really what they are. >> Yeah. My dad My dad, you know, I grew up hunting with him, like taught me how to shoot a gun, all that stuff at 17. And when I raised that buck, he was like, "It's over, isn't it?" >> Yeah. It's over. >> It's over. >> It's [laughter] over. Yeah. I'll never raise a baby elk. I'll tell you that. Elk hunting [laughter] too much. >> But I I get it. I mean, we have deer in our neighborhood and I see these little cute babies that are born every year and, you know, we stop the car. Oh my god. in Texas. They're everywhere. >> Everywhere. Yeah. >> Yep. >> And there's not any predators out here because you just shoot them. >> Yeah. >> So there's like these deer are all over the place and they're just super unless they get hit by a car. I don't know what happens. >> They're they're like not affected. >> Yeah. >> Anymore? >> No. No. But they are beautiful and it's just it's cool to have animals around. Just it's cool to be at least in some kind of form of nature, you know. >> I'm I'm such an animal lover. Um, I mean, I I don't do well. Like, that's why I brought your dog toys. I'm like I just I just I don't know. It's part of like who I am is to have especially dogs. Like, that's my my heart. But >> me, too. >> I have a a foundation called Mut Nation Foundation. I started with my mom 2009. And >> so far, we've raised over 11 million since then for it was like a little mom and pop operation back in the day. But, um, but we just it just has been my heart since I was a little girl. I think
growing up in the country where there's just animals everywhere, whether it's >> deer or stray dogs or stray cats or whatever, I think it just kind of prepped me for, you know, when when you like get a platform and someone's like, "What do you want your charity to be?" It's like, "Oh, I know what it's going to be." >> So, what does your charity do? >> We rescue. Well, we advocate for rescue. Um, Mut Nation Foundation, we don't have shelters. We lift up the arms of shelters is what we say because we my mom and dad were private investigators my whole life. And so my mom like just because we started rescuing dogs just when I was a little girl. You know, you live in the country, people dump them off and whatever. >> Started adopting some from the shelter as a teenager and volunteering. And so, you know, she sort of started vetting shelters just because that's her background, you know, checking up on people, make sure they're doing what they're supposed to. And um and so like 2009 it was like oh I kind of started to get a name for myself and you need to pick something that you're passionate about that you want to give back to. So we started it um and basically we advocate for spay and neuter. We advocate for adopt don't shop and we um raise money to give to shelters all over the country. Every year we give a $5,000 grant to a shelter in every state um and try to not repeat. So there's just so many that need help, you know, and there's so many amazing animals out there. We just try to remind people >> there's amazing animals out there that you don't have to go buy one. There's >> If my my wife is allergic and one of my daughters are allergic. We still have two dogs. But if I if that wasn't the case, I'd have like 50 dogs. >> I I can't. >> But are yours are not non shedddters? >> What's that? >> Yours are shedddters though, right? >> Yeah, they shed. Yeah. That you know, you just keep them clean. She's not not nearly as bad as when I first met her. When I first met her, she really would get like hives if she pet the dogs, but also I was not that good at washing my dogs and they're always in the yard playing around and they're always dirty. >> Yep.
>> But if you don't have dogs, dogs are like extra love. You have your love in your life will be whatever the level's at now, it'll be like 35% higher. >> 100% agree. >> For sure. >> I'm allergic to everything I love. Horses, cats, dogs. You're allergic to horses. >> All of it. I just live I live like I live on Algra. >> Wow. >> I'm just like popping Algra to enjoy my life, but I don't care. It's worth it. >> One of my daughters is so allergic that we went to Rome once and um we were on this horsedriven they have like these tourist things you do. You sit in the back of a wagon. The horse drags around the city. >> And just being downwind of the horse, her eyes were swelling up. We had to get out off the horse and walk the rest of the way. And we had to find a pharmacy. Terrible. Oh, it was bad. She's She's got it bad. Yeah. >> Did she do shots or anything? >> She did that. She did the whole thing, but they hated it, you know. And when my wife stopped doing shots, then all of her allergies got way better. And she was doing shots because Texas has a lot of allergens. You know, a lot of people that come from places like California, you don't realize it. You come here and then you get whammed with like >> I was sneezing all the way over here cuz I just landed. [laughter] >> You get them too. You get them too. I just like I live in Nashville half the time and in Austin half the time and I it's like the two two of the worst places for allergies. I'm like, "Oh, are they really?" >> Yeah. It doesn't matter. I mean, >> I didn't know that Austin was that bad. And I didn't get them at all until really probably last year started getting >> How long have y'all been here? >> Five years. >> Almost six. >> So, like, uh, no, five. So, like, uh, last year I started getting sore throats and I was like, "Am I getting sick? What the [ __ ] is going on?" Then I went to Vegas for the UFC. No sore throats. M came back sore throat again. I'm like, "Oh, damn it. Is this an allergy? >> Is it irritation?" Cuz it didn't make
any sense. I was like, I feel good. I feel like really healthy, but like this all this thing in my throat's bugging me. I'm like, maybe I just got to be careful. Maybe I'm fighting off a cold cuz I didn't want to admit it. I was like, "Everybody else getting allergies. I'm not getting." >> And it makes sense if you're like not used to the the trees and the grass here. I mean, it's like it's a whole new like ecosystem that you have to get used to. But the weird thing they say it takes like 3 years before it hits you. And I was like, "Shut up. That doesn't make any sense." But it's true. Yeah, it's true. Seems to be true. Seems to get you after like 3 years. >> So, what do you do about it? >> Nothing. Just deal with it. [laughter] >> I feel my body's going to adapt. I feel like if I just like let my body deal with whatever these allergens are and understand what they are, it'll figure it out. I took a lot of vitamins, it'll be fine. Yeah. And it seems to be better. Like this year I got like a couple sniffles a few days in a row where I was like thinking I had a cold and then I realized it was high something mold or [ __ ] cedar or whatever the hell it is. >> You just didn't have to pay attention to it before. >> Yeah, I guess. But whatever that is, all the positives about living here like greatly outweigh it. >> Yeah, I love it too. >> This place rules. >> It does. I'm glad y'all are here. You came in 2020 then, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. My little brother lives here and his husband Mark and he went to UT and never came home. Our little town, Lindell, Texas, representing today. Nice. >> Um, it's about 80 miles east of Dallas. And so I bought a place here in 2017 and spend a lot of time in Austin. >> It's great. >> I mean, we should probably stop talking about how great it is cuz people want to move here. [laughter] >> Yeah, it's not that great. There's a lot of allergies, guys. >> Yeah, guys, stay home. Don't sneeze. I talked a lot of people into moving here and I think I'm done talking to people.
like we're good. >> Well, Nashville is our other city that that's happened to, but you know, the more the marrier really. >> Well, the thing about Austin is like it wasn't really much of a comedy scene. There was one comedy club that closed before I moved here. It had already closed like before the pandemic and or I guess like at the beginning of the pandemic, it went under and so the comedy scene here was kind of empty. And you know, when we moved here and we started doing shows here, it was one of the only places in the country where you could do live indoor shows and we were like, "Fuck it." >> And then comedians just started moving here. Cuz they were convinced that LA was never going to open. And once I was here and Ron White was here, Tony Hinchcliffe was here, >> everybody was like, "Well, let's [ __ ] it. I want to live. I don't I don't want to be trapped in my house and not be able to perform for a year and a half or whatever it's going to be." >> Yeah. >> Data brokers are invading your privacy. They're recording everything you do online. And if you live in the US, they're selling your information to anyone and everyone who's willing to buy it. But thankfully, there's a way to stop all the tracking and spying. And that's with ExpressVPN. ExpressVPN is an app that hides your IP address and reroutes 100% of your online activity through secure encrypted servers. This keeps data brokers from tracking your information, protecting you from invasive advertisers, scammers, and even criminals. And ExpressVPN is now offering three different plans, allowing you to customize your VPN experience. The basic plan starts as low as $349 a month. That's less than 12 a day. Or if you want all the bells and whistles, including identity protection, credit monitoring, and a dedicated IP, just choose one of their more premium plans. It's up to you. Plus, right now, you can get four extra months of service if you tap the banner or go to expressvpn.com/rogan. That's a price as low as $349 a month, plus four extra months of service. Go to expressvpn.comrogan. And if you're watching on YouTube, get your four extra months by scanning the
QR code on screen or by clicking the link in the description. >> Yeah, >> that's great. I I my first show back um I think it was after like 332 days. >> Wow. >> Of no shows, no bus rides. What did it feel like? Crazy. It was at Billy Bobs in Fort Worth cuz like you said Texas was like >> what co [laughter] >> we're going to go do stuff. We're going to homie talk right now. >> So it was we did a little residency at Billy Bobs and we did five shows and I >> co >> Yeah. Uh, I mean, but I had it before. I had I had I had it before we even knew what it was cuz on the road like I was around so many people. I was on tour and before we knew what it was, I had this thing like none of my tricks worked with. Like all my singer tricks like steroid shot, B12, IV, vocal rest, like just couldn't shake it. And then a month later it's like, "Oh, that's cuz of something real bad [laughter] we've never heard of." I had to cancel shows was terrible. But the show first show back was I had five in a row, but the first one was like just rowdy and like so old school honky tonk feeling and like I was crying. It was just it was a cool moment. >> It feel It feels weird, right? >> It was good to miss it though. >> Yeah, that's true. >> It was really good to miss it. I >> you know I never had a chance to. I never stopped. >> Country music especially like we just don't we just tour year around weekend warriors make a record. Tour it for two years. Do it again. Repeat. Rinse, repeat. And I've been doing this since I was 17. So, like just years and years of not knowing if I could miss it, just, you know, grinding. And I did. I mean, I was like, dang, I I miss my bus. I miss the road, which I wasn't sure would happen, [laughter] >> right? Because it's so grading. >> It is. It's hard. And so, uh, yeah, I was I was happy to be back, but um, but now it's back harder than ever. It's like just, you know, it's a it's a different it hits different after 40. [laughter] >> You don't recover as quickly. >> Do you do you ever like carve out
vacation times? Like say like for the month of December, I'm not doing [ __ ] >> Yeah, that's the winter. Like last year, I went to Arizona. I went to to Phoenix area and rode with all those cowg girls shooting guns on horses and I was like and I was just so rejuvenated and refreshed and I was like, I need to make that a priority. Like I just think none of us are good at that. If you're really driven >> and really goal oriented and like you are. I mean I have to like make myself and then I'll go and say, "Well, they're working me to death. They is me. I'm the one adding [ __ ] to my calendar. [laughter] That is me." My husband's like, "You said you were going to be off this week." Like, "Well, I had this one." It's like, so I really am making like the priority to like take some winter months and, >> you know, cuz we start touring in the spring and don't stop till the winter again. So I feel like it's, you know, it's important. >> It's intelligent, right? It's an intelligent thing to do to give yourself a a a forced vacation, some sort of a break. So that just think of your creativity as like a battery. You can't run your phone until it's got zero. You got to charge it. So stick it in the cable, put it into the wall, let it charge for a little while. Like you got to think about it that way, I guess. >> What do you do for your chill time? I don't do a lot of chilling. >> Well, I don't I didn't think so. >> I just do [laughter] other stuff. >> Same. I was like, I feel like you're uh you're preaching to the choir over here. [laughter] >> Yeah. I mean, I watch TV. I like to watch like documentaries and stuff and I watch fights and I watch YouTube videos, but I I can't do it much or I just don't like that feeling. I feel like I'm wasting time. So, I have to keep myself out. >> You do other things. Well, that's the things like >> I'm not just, you know, going out there to chill out on the couch. I'm like I'm in the desert doing something physical. Also, like >> musicians are like our life isn't that physical. Like we don't it's kind of a as far as like activity. Like we if we're writing songs, we're sitting
around writing songs. We're sitting around practicing. We're standing there, you know, until the show part. So like I have to make sure I like my hobbies should be active. >> Yeah. you know, >> sure. Just and also do something that like active stuff stimulates your mind more and I think active stuff will probably aid in your writing more, right? >> Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah, >> I think so. >> It has to. I mean, it just makes sense. >> Yeah, >> it's when you when you sit down to write, do you like sit down and write in front of a computer? Do you wait till an idea comes to you? Do you write on a piece of paper? How do you >> all of it? Um, usually like I love to co-write. Writing by myself, I'm not good at it. I encourage it for any artists I'm mentoring or anything else, but I need to do it myself more. Um, cuz co-writing is fun. You're like hanging around with, which I met you actually at one of my favorite writers. >> Uh, Benefit, Jack Ingram. >> Um, him and John Randall is my other best friend and I, we, which I think you met him, too. We uh we have a little side project we call the Marfa tapes and we would go out to the desert in Marfa and which is Have you been there yet? >> No, I haven't. >> It is like a different world. >> That's what Rick Rubin says. >> It is a different literal different world and it there's so like it's m it's magical. I don't know what's in the air out there, but >> how far is the drive? It's like five miles from here. >> About six and a half. >> Six and a half. >> Is that coffee? >> Yeah. You want some? >> Yeah. Um anyway, like we'll sit around and Jr. is amazing. Cheers, >> guitar player. Cheers. >> Thank you. He'll come up with like a riff or somebody has a title. That's why I like co-writing. I don't know. It's more fun to celebrate it with your friends, you know what I mean? >> Yeah, for sure. I mean, some of the best ideas that comedians ever come up with, we come up with in the green room
because we're just riffing. Yeah. >> Like there's always a moment where like, you know, we're hanging around and Tony will say something. We're like, "Dude, write that down. Write that down." >> Same thing. It's the exact same thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, creativity is interesting because you you want to be inspired and you're never more inspired than you are around other creative people. >> Yeah. Especially people that are better than you. >> Yeah. For sure. [laughter] Right. Yeah. >> It's like I'm like, "Oh, you're a really great writer and great musician. We should be friends. [laughter] >> I need to learn from you." And you make me look cool. >> Yeah. And it it kicks up your desire to do better a notch. >> Yeah. Especially like too, I've been working with um younger artists and I love seeing their fire like they're like raceh horses at the gate, you know what I mean? And I and it reminds me of how that felt and reminds me to find my moments where I feel that way, too. >> Mhm. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I I feel the same way about working with young comedians. It's important. >> It's good. It's also It's like great to see the sparkle in their eye when they do like their first big crowd, you know, like like come on, man. This is just like a regular club. Go out there, give me some knuckles, right? And you see watch them kill in front of thousands of people and they come back like, whoa. >> And you're like, uhoh, now now you got the bug. [laughter] >> Yeah. Now you got Well, they had the bug already. But it's like you get to feel it. I get to feel it again for the first time. I've done it so many times, it's almost kind of normal. Yeah. >> Which it never should be normal, you know? And you get to see somebody else experience like the jolt of like what it feels like. That spotlight in your face and all those people in the crowd. >> And it's exciting. >> It is. And it's good. It's like it's a reminder, you know. I think it's so important. >> Um and people like >> do people ask you this like do do you get nervous? Like >> I get uh I don't get nervous like I get um
>> anticipation. >> Yeah, that's a great word. I don't I'm going to start saying that cuz I was like I don't really have an answer cuz I care >> and I want to do well and I get like this it's anticipation. It's not nerves per se. I think once you stop feeling something, you really you're doing the wrong thing. No matter what it is. I'm sure you feel that whenever you get on one of those horses with a gun in your hand. >> Yeah. Like [laughter] stop feeling anything yet. >> Here we go. This is crazy. Bang. [laughter] >> I I'm still feeling all those feels for a while. >> I'm sure. I don't know if that'll ever go away, right? Because, you know, you're not in control of the horse and it's >> No, it's not up to you. And I think that's why I like it. It's because I I've grown to [snorts] trust me in my gig. Like I trust me. I trust my band. But mostly it's up to me. Like I'm the one standing there in front of the microphone and I know my capabilities and I know I what I can deliver on a a hobby like golf. I'm like, I don't know what the hell's about to happen when I swing this club. [laughter] This is not up to me. >> This little son of a [ __ ] isn't moving and I can't hit [laughter] it. It's just like I don't know. And the same thing with the horse. It's like up to my horse, not it's not up to me, you know? I can aim and I can have the skill and be learning how to ride, but it's about him, you know? >> Yeah, for sure. >> His name is cool. My shooting. >> That's his name. >> Yeah, >> with a K or a C. >> It's a C. He's cool. [laughter] >> That's a great Morris Day in the Time song. >> Yeah. >> You never heard that song? Cool. Oh, it's a great song. >> I need to hear it. We have a theme song. I didn't know it. >> Yeah, we'll give her some of that. We'll have to cut this out otherwise we'll get removed from YouTube. But play Morris Day in the Time. Cool. This is like
during the Prince days. Morris Day in the Time I think is like one of the most underappreciated bands from that era from like the early 90s because they got kind of eclipsed by Prince. >> Yeah. >> You know, because they were hanging around with Prince and they were part of like the whole Prince. >> I don't know anything. >> You don't know about Morris Day and the Times? I don't. Oh my god. >> Play [snorts] cool by Morris Day and the Times. I'm making sure it's the right one. I got a version that says it's just Morris Day and then another version popped up that said it was just the time. So, let me go. >> Either way, it's always going to be Morris Day singing. I don't think The Time ever played without Morris. >> Morris is cool as [ __ ] though. Here it is. All right, we'll edit this out for people at home. Sorry. Go find this. >> Awesome. Look at that. Look at the clothes. >> Oh, it's so corny. It's so great. It's so like that like >> I don't know. It's got to be early 90s, right? 91. >> 81. >> 81. >> DANG. [clears throat] >> WOW. >> I WASN'T EVEN born on the earth. >> Wow. That's crazy. 1981. Wow. I was a freshman in high school. >> I'm an 83 baby. >> I was in my junior year or sophomore year. Yeah, I was a freshman in high school back then. That's crazy. >> Wow. It was a weird time back then because Prince was so big that there was like a bunch of fake princes. Like people started imitating Prince. It's almost like a lot of >> That's always what happens. >> Mhm. Yeah. Men become androgynous. >> There's one and then they're like, "Oh, let's all be like that one." So then there's 20 more that aren't as good. >> I know. Yeah. There's a bunch of fake Michael Jacksons. I'm sure there's a bunch of people that just tried to do something like what is he how what's that guy doing? You know, and with Prince it was like what is this? What's happening here? >> Very like very uniquely authentic.
>> Yeah. >> Authentically himself like so even that was like trying to be too close probably >> a little bit. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Not as good. That's the problem. You're not as good as Prince. You're awesome. You're [laughter] great. >> But you're Prince is like a once in a generation superstar weirdo talent from Mars. >> Exactly. There are those there's some that just aren't from here. >> Yeah. Right. That guy was just different than everybody, you know? I remember I was delivering newspapers when I first heard a print song and I was like, "This is crazy." Like, who is this guy? It was I Want to Be Your Lover. Do you remember that? [sighs] That [ __ ] song. And it was like, this is a guy singing like a girl on stage. She's like three feet tall and all the women want to [ __ ] him. Like, this is nuts. [laughter] Like, I've never seen anything like this in my life. >> What's happening? >> Like, what did this guy do? This guy's a sorcerer. Like what? He was so talented that he could wear stilettos on stage and no one cared. >> Okay. >> And it wasn't like boo, what are you dressing like a girl? No one gave a [ __ ] He was so good and so there's something about the magnetic personality that he had. There was like the charisma that he had was like so undeniable that everybody was like, "Holy [ __ ] what is this?" >> That's not taught. That's innate. That's you're born with that. You can't teach Prince. How do you teach that? >> No, you don't. Like, [clears throat] you grew up in Jersey, right? >> I was born in New Jersey, but I only lived here till I was six. >> Where'd you grow up? >> I grew up everywhere. I lived in San Francisco from 7 to 11. I lived in Gainesville, Florida from 11 to 13. >> Lots of moving. >> Yeah, a lot of moving. Then I lived in Boston from 13 to 24. Then I lived in New York. >> New York City years. No, I live I couldn't afford uh parking, so I had to live outside the city cuz I'm a comedian. I had to drive everywhere. I had a lot of road gigs. That's where I
made my money. Yeah. >> So to drive to Connecticut and Rhode Island, like in the city, it was like a parking spot was hundreds of dollars a month back then. >> My husband >> So I lived in New Relle. >> Okay, cool. My husband is uh was NYPD. He's he retired after eight years, but >> because I drugg him down to Tennessee and now Texas. Nice. >> And now he says y'all. [laughter] >> Does he say y'all? Unironically, how long's you been there? >> Um, we've been married 7 years. So, >> okay. After five, you're not faking it anymore. >> All your favorite NBA players are back. And DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA, is the place to bet on NBA stars this season. Steph Curry drilling logo threes. Donovan Mitchell taking over, and Cade Cunningham leading the next wave. DraftKings, the number one sports book for live betting, is live when the others aren't. Bet quarters, player props, scoring runs, and more, all while the action unfolds. New customers, bet just five bucks and get three months of NBA League Pass. Plus, score $300 if your bet wins paid in bonus bets. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use the code Rogan. That's code Rogan to bet just five bucks and get three months of League Pass plus $300 in bonus bets if your bet wins in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem? Call 1800 gambler. In New York, call 8778 and Y or text hope and Y-467-369. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 888789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Please play responsibly. on behalf of Bootill Casino and Resort in Kansas. Pass through of per wager tax may apply in Illinois. 21 and over. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. Restrictions apply. Bet must win to receive bonus bets which expire in 7 days. Minimum odds required. NBA League pass auto renews until canceled. Additional terms at dk&ng.co/audio. Limited time offer. >> Uh but I I got to live up there when we first got married. Um, we had an apartment in Soho and I'm from like BF Lindell, Texas. Like, you know, >> Dallas is our biggest city and
>> and it's 80 miles. So, I had so much fun. Like, I just He was still a cop. So, I just wander around all day. Like, I had gigs on the weekends, but like Monday through Wednesday, I'm just like Desperate Housewives of Soho. [laughter] I'm just like running around and like going to rock clubs by myself and having lunch by myself and having wine, meeting people. And it's just it's a city that like nobody cares who you are at all. They're just like >> it's an amazing city. >> It's amazing. They're like >> if you like cities. >> Yeah. I I mean >> I like visiting. >> 6 months was I got I feel I love we're there a ton. Um cuz his family's still there. But I just I enjoyed like really immersing cuz I'd never done that >> and I'm not really a city girl but I was like I'm just going to use every bit of this that I can. Wrote some great songs like wrote one called Fire Escape. I didn't even know what that was before, [laughter] you know what I mean? Like once a fire escape, you just walk out the door, [laughter] you know? So, it was it was cool. It was a cool time. But >> well, that would be a great place to like rewire your brain creatively to write stuff cuz you're just you're forced in a totally different environment. >> Yeah. >> In the weirdest environment on earth in my opinion. I think the weirdest environment on earth for human beings is when they're stacked on top of each other in cities. Yeah. Cuz I don't think that's normal at all. >> No, it's not. I think your whole body just goes like you're always at three or four all day long. Like never at zero. >> Yes. My husband just now like we literally talked about yesterday. I was like you are finally like at a regulated nervous system level [laughter] cuz it just I think he was just used to like just you have to vibrate at a different energy especially if you're a police officer like that's a whole different Oh, you know what I mean? And so finally like we have a farm in Tennessee and we were there for like a couple days this week and just chilling making cookies and being normal and it's
like he's finally like enjoying that cuz even when I had my little time in New York City I was like this is a >> it's a lot of like I couldn't do this 24/7 for long periods of time because I just can't come down and like ground myself, right? >> I need to touch grass. [laughter] >> Yeah, I do too. Um, being a cop in New York City has got to be like one of the most stressful jobs in the history of the world. >> Yeah, I think so. >> That's I mean that's right up there like below being a soldier in war. like being a cop. I mean, I have friends that are cops or that were cops that will tell you that the people that are working in the field like as police officers and >> they're going and seeing things on a daily basis. They're seeing way more carnage, way more [ __ ] up things than these guys who had served. They they were both they did both. They were like, I saw way more as a cop than I ever did as an officer. >> That makes sense. It's a lot. I mean, his whole family is police officers. My whole family is firemen and police officers, too. So, I think I think that was kind of our bond anyway. It's just kind of we grew up exactly the same, just in different parts of the country. But, >> well, I was around a lot of cops when I was a kid because of martial arts. There was we were always training with cops >> and you know, I'd listen to stories that they would tell me about like things that they got into and they were getting into things like that like on a daily basis. There was always shootouts. There was always car wrecks. There was always murders and domestic violence cases and it's like, man, how many of those guys are just walking around with severe PTSD and no one cares, no one respects, >> no one's talking about it. Like they're just, you know, I I think that like they don't even acknowledge it themselves. Like I know my dad worked vice in Dallas for his whole career and >> and back in the day like and my and my husband like they just don't and then they just come home and like you know >> I'd kill my hearing aids too. >> [laughter] >> He's like, "The dog ate it." I guarantee you he threw it away. >> Fed it to put peanut butter on that
[ __ ] thing. [laughter] >> Good job, Reclambert. We know what you did now. >> You put [laughter] peanut butter on it. That's just wrong. It's just wrong in so many ways. [gasps] >> Yeah, man. He probably needed peace and quiet. >> Yeah, he needs mom to hush. >> Yeah, everybody shut the [ __ ] world off. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> You know, the one of the greatest pool players, if not the greatest pool player of all time is deaf. There's a guy named Shane Van Boning really and he shuts his hearing aid off when he plays just >> so it's just silent. >> Yeah. Just [ __ ] off world and he's just in his like you people could be screaming in the crowd. He don't hear [ __ ] >> What is it about pool? Like what's the what you said you play pool? You like it? >> I've been playing pool for 35 years. Yeah, I've been playing forever. >> But what is it about that particular >> Because the balls don't give a [ __ ] who you are. They don't care what you think you are. They don't care who you know, how much money you have, you know, what you've accomplished already, how many shots you've already made. The balls don't care. >> The pockets are four and a quarter inches wide. And if you don't hit it perfect, it doesn't go in. And it requires all of your concentration. And if you really know how to play pool, then you're dealing with like English. So, you're dealing with like spin on the CQ ball left and right, and you're dealing with draw and follow. It's a dance of the mind. in these orbs. You're hitting a ball into another ball and trying to get that thing to go straight. And it just requires this complete harmony of hand eye coordination and your spirit. Like you have to like stay calm while you're doing it. That's why >> that's a very that's a very good explanation of that. I'm the worst pool player of all. I mean, you would think like playing as many honky tons as I have played that I could play pool. >> Most people so bad >> people that think they could play pool can't play pool. >> Most people don't know really how to
play pool. >> Like back in my day, it was like just a place to flirt. [laughter] >> Yeah, it's that. It's that >> the thing about pool is once you get down the road and you start understand you got you really start getting the game and understanding and then playing in tournaments and then gambling then you're dealing with like real pool players and these real pool players play pool eight hours a day. >> Wow. >> Every day you have to cuz you know how the thing of like being comfortable on stage or being comfortable riding a horse, being comfortable like shooting a bow or or playing golf. Multiply that times 100 and you have pool. Because pool's the only game where you take a stick and you hit a ball into another ball. Every other game you hit a ball. You just hit a ball with a stick. >> But in pool, you're hitting a ball into a ball and controlling the movement of both balls. Like the one that's hitting the ball, you're controlling how it spins off to get perfect position on the next shot. And then the other one, you want to make sure it gets the exact right angle to go into the pocket while you're like calculating all this spin and the geometry of the table and avoiding collisions. >> It's maddening. >> It's very like I just got anxiety. >> It's maddening. >> Just got stressed out. >> It drive you crazy. It'll It's a game that will drive you crazy. >> But when you catch it, there's a thing called being in stroke and and being in dead stroke. It's a rare thing. It happens like you know once a month or something like that where you just can't miss where you know where everything is and it's this like calm that comes over like the world dissolves and all you feel is the table and you're completely in sync with the movement of the balls. You know how many revolutions each ball is going to make? feel the difference between two extra revolutions like you know where how hard to hit it exactly and that's what everybody's chasing. They're chasing this feeling of being once a month >> because it's so hard to get there. You you'd probably get I'd probably get there all the time if I played like a
pro like eight hours a day. You probably get there once a week but nobody stays there. >> But that's probably the draw that keeps you coming back. >> Yeah. Dudes do drugs just so they can get there. They get hooked on pills. they get because they find that like maybe it's amphetamines, maybe it's opiates, whatever it is. Like some guys will do drugs and find that spot and then go back to drugs just to get to that spot >> from pool. >> From pool. Yeah. >> Dang. >> Oh, it's a nutty game. I mean, I've never ever dug dug into it like that, but >> Oh, at the highest levels, guys are gambling from hundreds of thousands of dollars in these [ __ ] weird places in Kentucky and weird pool. They streaming online on YouTube. They stream it on different websites. >> Dang. >> Oh, it's at the highest level. It is a crazy game. It's a crazy game. >> Well, I never knew that, but I learned a lot about that today. I know a dude who's with one of the best in the world and he can't travel because he needs pills because he so he can't go like overseas. He can't go anywhere. He can't travel without his pills. If he does, he won't play white. >> Really? >> Oh, it's nuts. Yeah, >> it's a head game. >> Oh, it's the head. [clears throat] It's This is my friend Jeremy Jones. He won the US Open. One of the greatest players of all time. He's like, it is the mo and he plays everything. He played baseball like at a high level. He plays golf. Plays He's like, "It is the most mental game." And it's why nobody's good at it. It's why it never gets to it never got to a place where it was like really appreciated professionally, right? >> Cuz you have to know how to play it to be to understand what you're seeing. >> To really see people play well, you have to know what the what's happening. >> I don't I'd never I'm not like good at any I've not played sports, so I'm not good at them. >> No sports at all. >> Well, I didn't really I mean I grew up kind of playing softball here and there.
>> So is golf like the first? golf is my first and my mount of shooting which is technically labeled a sport. >> That's a sport for sure. >> Um so that's like it's new to me [laughter] like sports are new because I just I don't know I started this at 17 and didn't and just was laser focused like >> horse with blinders doing country music and then >> what is it like going from just being a regular high school kid and all of a sudden 17 just being thrust into a spotlight? Well, I wasn't in the spotlight at first. I was playing [ __ ] holes with no lights. >> But even [ __ ] holes, [laughter] there's some kind of light. >> Um, you're on stage. >> Light. [laughter] Yeah, the full damn [snorts] light. I don't know. Like I just I don't know. I feel like that >> I I didn't have a choice. It picked me. Like I It's the only thing I've ever been good at. >> Everything is hard. Everything else is hard to me. But like music was the only thing that I was like, >> I guess that's what I'm supposed to do cuz I'm actually good at it. Like, >> thank God it though. So many people have a thing like that and they say, "Oh, that's just unrealistic. I can't do that." >> I didn't have a backup plan. That helped. [laughter] >> There was that like I barely graduated high school. I was like, "I don't want to waste my dad's money." >> That does help. >> Going to college, I was like, I have no backup plan. So, like it really does help. [laughter] >> The hunger that it creates is like a fire that you can't explain. >> And it's not good advice. I would never give the advice of don't have a backup plan because some people are not going to make it and then they'll blame you. You know, you told me I shouldn't have a backup plan. >> Yeah. >> But I really think that for someone who's got some talent and some a real desire to do that and and you can stay the course, you could deal with the hard times like you can't have a backup plan.
You cannot because that backup plan will rob your time. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing you have to think of. It robs your focus. It steals from your energy. >> So, it'll stop you from reaching your full potential. >> [ __ ] your backup planans. >> Yeah. I mean, but it didn't come from me. >> Yeah. It comes from me. [ __ ] [laughter] your backup plan. >> I don't want to get blamed, but I I just think that's like the reason that it happened is a lot of hard work obviously and determination, but just nothing else. I have nothing else. Like I was terrible at school, terrible at sports, had to get tutoring, had to like stay late for the cheerleading dance. Like everything was just hard for me. >> Right. But that's just because you're a great singer. Like that's where your mind works. Like it's just such a wonderful thing that you found the thing that you're really good at. Cuz some people >> some people don't. They just don't know why they they suck at school. They don't know why they can't pay attention. They don't know why they can't be at work on time. They don't know why. They're like, "What's wrong with me?" And if maybe that person just found that thing and they're like, "Oh my god, I'm supposed to be riding horses and shooting balloons." >> Exactly. [laughter] Here I am. I found me. Yeah. I think it's I I feel like we're the lucky ones when we get to like we know like this is this is what I'm supposed to do. >> This is what I'm going to chase no matter what it cost. And you know that doesn't I see so many people that are so immensely talented that just didn't happen for and >> and you don't and you don't know why like the why you said you don't know if it was one little factor um of a period in their life or just not seeing at the right time or chasing the right thing at the right time and I don't know I feel I feel very thankful for that but I'm also like trying to learn new things at 40 because I spent my whole adult life doing that, you know what I mean? So now I'm like, what can we do next? Let's find another hobby.
>> But that's a great approach though. That's great. I mean, it's recognizing you want to have some more stuff in your life. That's interesting. >> I think that does come I don't know. Does that come with like >> wisdom with age? >> Age, wisdom, and and also feeling accomplished. I mean, I feel like I set my goals, >> hit them. >> Yeah. >> You know, and that feels like, oh, okay, I can take a breath. >> Yeah. That's got to be a part of it, right? That's got to be a part of it. There's got to be a part that you know you can relax a little like not that you know you will you know when comes to like writing and singing and stuff but at least you don't have to worry like am I going to make it like kind of made it >> like [laughter] okay let's just have some fun >> and what's the point in make the whole idea of making it is like your life will be better and you'll have well your life will be better if you have more fun. >> Yeah. >> Like find some stuff you like to do. >> Exactly. You seem like somebody that chases a lot of new things and conquers them, which I think is really inspiring. >> Well, I chase things that you can never conquer. That's that's the key. >> Well, that's like that. >> And no one told me that till I started playing golf and now it's too [laughter] late. >> Yeah. Well, >> you can't ever win. >> For me, it started with martial arts. You never conquer that. You're there's always going to be somebody better than you, especially if you're not a professional. >> But you get really really good at the things that you're >> pursuing. Well, it's probably illness. >> [laughter] >> I think something wrong with me. I'm I'm for sure if I was born at a different time. I was born in the 60s. They didn't really diagnose kids with ADHD when I was a kid. And we both do them up 100%. >> We 100% have it. >> 100%. I got it. Whatever that [ __ ] is, it's a superpower. It's a superpower if you use it right. >> Yeah, I think so, too.
>> Yeah. Just the idea that you have to medicate a kid because you can't sit in school. Like, find out if that kid's good at other stuff. >> Find out if there's a thing that Yeah. Okay. Maybe they can't sit there where someone's teaching them math. Maybe they get bored real quick. Maybe they start talking to her friends. Whatever it is, they probably have a thing they're really good at. If they could find that thing, I bet they focus like a [ __ ] when they're playing video games, right? So, what's that all about? You know, find the thing that that kid can lock into. >> 100%. I mean, >> the thing is like you make people do things that are completely unnatural. You make people sit down when they're six in [laughter] a chair while some lady who's making $35,000 a year doesn't like kids is teach them some [ __ ] that she doesn't care about. So there's no energy in the room. Everything. And then when they're out in the yard with their friends, they're having FUN AND THEY'RE LAUGHING AND SO they're [ __ ] This class sucks. And they're talking to each other and then they get in trouble for talking like your child's a problem. Is the child really the problem? See, like the child is a lot of energy. That's not a problem. >> Yeah. >> You're just you're not providing an inspiring environment for a a growing mind just turning you into a a dull drone, some worker that just is capable of like shutting themselves off all day and then showing up and then just doing some stuff that they don't want to do because they were taught how to do it when they were a kid. Like >> I feel like there's a lot more opportunities now than there was like even when I was in school. It was kind of just like Lindell ISD like everybody does learns the same. Everybody goes to the same class. You know what I mean? And I just my mom says I learned differently. She tries to say it. [laughter] >> You learned differently. >> Differently, but looking back it's the same like you just described my entire like existence as a student. [laughter] >> Well, it's not just yours. It's mine. And I think it's most people's.
>> You know, the only class that I really enjoyed was well science. I always enjoyed science and uh I enjoyed art. I always enjoyed that. >> But even my art I had a shitty art teacher in high school. It was like like a failed artist who was like really negative >> and he kind of he kind of ruined art for me. Yeah. Like not really but ruined the idea of me doing it as a profession. >> I was like, "God, I have to be around people like this. Like this guy's gross." He was just like so negative, >> right? Bitter. >> Just sad. Just a sad old dude. I always for remember he like like he ate a basketball. Like his whole body was skinny, [laughter] but his belly was and now I know that guy probably drank himself to sleep every night. >> Well, he was >> he was sad >> as an artist wrapped in his own life, too. Like they could he I mean, >> also he wasn't that good of an artist. That's part of the problem. Part of the problem was like >> he needed a backup plan. >> Well, I just don't think he was he had a lot of fire in in him when it came to anything. And I think the the art that he created was a representation of who he is as a human. And he saw these young kids that were talented. I was pretty talented. I was like the third best kid. There's a kid named Kevin that was like a little better than me. And then a kid named John who was the best guy in our class. And John told me like like a year or two ago, we're emailing each other back and forth and John told me that that guy gave him an F. And I was like, "Okay." So it wasn't just me. That guy's a piece of [ __ ] Because John was the best artist like I'd ever seen when I was a teenager and we were all like [ __ ] this guy's like the art world. We're out. So none of us became artists. >> That's sad. >> Oh it was just this that was what this guy wanted. What this guy wanted was to kill dreams. I feel like it's so especially in that like how old were you? >> When I quit the classes, I stopped my senior year and I but the by then um I was also traveling and fighting by then. I was that was like when I heavily got
into martial arts. So by the time I was 17, like my whole senior year, I was traveling around the country. [clears throat] >> It's crazy. That's what I started making money playing music at 17. >> Your senior year of high school? Yeah. >> Wow. So that must have alienated you from a lot of your friends. >> Yeah. And I mean I was also um very big into church choir and stuff and so I'm like at the honky tonk till 4 in the morning cuz I was the house band [laughter] and then I'm like dragging a leg into church smelling terrible like like no wonder y'all kicked me out of youth group [laughter] you [ __ ] >> That's hilarious. >> I probably deserved it but >> that's hilarious. Like what did you do last night? Like my mom had to like go with me for the first like first like 3 months of my house gig because I couldn't get in until I was 18 and I was playing in the house band. So she'd be like, "Oh, good. You can drive and I can drink beer and listen to y'all play." >> Oh, that's [laughter] hilarious. That's funny. >> But it's funny what you're talking about teachers. Like I I feel like there's there's some that just really there's that turning point where you meet that one teacher >> or someone that in your childhood or high school years that turns things around for you. So I got like when you're talking about your art teacher, I had this teacher name Caldwell and she taught speech and I was a terrified literal the shyest kid ever. My parents are both very vibrant and huge personalities and like I couldn't get a word in edgewise so I just didn't talk till I was like 16 [laughter] cuz they just wouldn't shut up. They're just constantly dad's telling little cop stories about his vice days and my mom's a PI so she's telling all her cool stories and so I just was really shy and my little brother was same he's 5 years younger and like we just weren't very like vocal and I somehow got forgot I didn't pay attention and didn't put down my classes you know like my junior year of high school and I had got shoved in a class where there was one spot and it was speech honors and it was a debate class and like that is not my vibe >> who I
panicking. My mom came up to the school. I was sobbing. I was like, I can't do this. I I don't even speak hardly. And but I was singing like here and there. I was singing in church. Like I could do it if I was singing, but like still shyly singing, you know what I mean? Like kind of in the background >> and my mom was like, "We got to figure this out." The school was like, "Well, there's not really any room for her any other classes and whatever." And it was an honors class. like this girl is like barely passing every class except choir. Like >> they just allowed you to enter into that class. >> They just somehow and so then I think looking back like Miss Caldwell and the principal met with my mom and um she looked at Miss Caldwell and she was like, "Can she do this?" And she was like, "She needs to do this." And so >> and I had to debate like against these seniors and real smart kids, right? And but it really brought me out of my shell. And so I'm thankful she wasn't like your art teacher. I'm thankful that Miss Caldwell was like, >> "No, I see potential in this girl." And if she's going to because I sang at the talent show or whatever, she's like, "If she's going to be a singer, she's going to have to learn to be in front of people >> and to like show her personality and come out of her shell." And it really like changed my world because then I started playing in bars and I started to like come into my personality a little bit cuz you can't do this if you don't have if you aren't confident and and have confidence in who you are, you know? >> Right. And the ability to be who you are in between songs >> that [laughter] that is a really important part. >> Yeah. Then that's where people get to see you. >> Yeah. So I'm thankful for her. Thanks Miss Cwell. Love you. >> Damn. Miss Caldwell killed it. >> She killed it. Yeah, that's that's beautiful to have a teacher like that. And anyone can speak the the anxiety about the like, oh, I could never public speak. Like, yes, you could. You just It's not impossible. Can you talk to me? Okay, then you could talk to a bunch of
people. You can do it. You might have to do it a bunch of times before you figure it out, but it's not like breathing underwater. You could totally do it. >> It's still scary to me. I mean, honestly, like you're so good at it. also comedians like that to me is the scariest of all the show biz that you could pick is that >> yeah it's one of them >> it's it's >> that's kind of what I like about it though I like scary stuff because you'll have less people doing it [laughter] >> so you'll be like >> that's why I got into fighting that's why I got into com it's like it's it's a it's like if say like let's say if you want to be a lawyer how many people are trying to be a lawyer oh my god you got to go to law school you got to a degree, you got to pass the bar, you got to get hired by uh some sort of a law firm and you got to try cases and what are you doing? Like a lot of people trying to be lawyers. Yeah. >> Because there's a clear pathway, but if the pathway is like foggy, like how do you be a professional fighter? Like, oh, I I'll go that pathway. Like no one's doing that. Like the people that are doing that are all crazy. Like those are my kind of people. Or if you the pathway is how to be a comedian, like oh yeah, all these people are all misfits. This is perfect. These are my people. Like this is perfect. I I'll go do that. Like this is like I'm in short of being around likeminded, interesting people. >> Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. But I just think [snorts] I always think about how >> like the first time you step on the stage and you're, you know, you're showing all your cards. Like, >> do you remember your first time? >> Well, but for a comedian to me, it's like songs are different. Like, >> yeah. You know, every the first game you play, the f whatever, everybody has their first time that they're like learning their their ropes and how to get their feet under them, but but that's just so raw. Like, here's my jokes. Here's my whole heart. Here's here's >> I hope you think this is funny. Like, that just every time I see it, I'm like, that is the hardest thing in show business, period. First time I ever did
it, I was still fighting and I' I'd been done nothing but martial arts competition like literally eight hours a day for my whole life for six years. And then that I was more scared going on stage at an open mic night than I had ever been fighting ever. >> That makes sense to me. >> But I was confused. I was like, why am I scared? Like this doesn't even make sense. It was so baffling to me. I was like, why am I so nervous? This is >> That makes sense to me. It's just it's something you Well, you knew you were good at it, but you had to do it in front of people. Like >> I didn't even think I was good at it. My friends told me I was good at it. And they only told me I was good. It was like we would go to tournaments and everybody would be terrified. We'd all be like like really nervous. And I would be the the humor. I It was Gallow's humor. So I would be the guy cracking jokes. I would be the guy doing impressions of each other like of different different friends like what they'd be like having sex or whatever it was and making everybody laugh, saying totally inappropriate stuff. And um my friend Steve, who I'm still friends with to this day, he was a grown man and I was like 15 at the time. And he to this day, he's still one of my best friends, but he told me, he's like, "You should be a comedian. Like, you're funny." It's like, and I was like, "You're you think I'm funny because you like me." I go, "But other people are going to think I'm an [ __ ] Like, my sense of humor is [ __ ] up." And he's like, "You should just go to open mic night." And I did. And I went to open mic night. I was like, "Oh, everybody sucks. Oh, this is fine." I was like, you you go to see a few professionals and a few people that are just struggling. I thought everybody would be like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Prior. Like, I'm going to get killed up there. This is going to be terrible. And then I realized like, oh, this is just like martial arts or anything else. You start off terrible and then you try and then you get better and then you figure it out and then, you know, it's like, but I just wasn't I was just stunned by how scared I was more than anything. >> Yeah. Do you remember the first time you ever got on stage like at a honky tonk or?
>> Yeah, it was a >> How old were you? >> 16. >> It was a True Value Country Showdown, the Rio [snorts] Pal Mile in Long View, Texas. >> Wow. >> Um Yeah. And I was scared to death cuz I was like the shot kid, too. My dad's a songwriter, too. You're going to love this. My dad >> is a cop and a songwriter. >> My dad is a songwriter. He plays guitar. And he had a band. His cop band on their side gig was all Narcs and they were called Contraband. [laughter] They were a country band called Contraband. Can you even >> That's a great name. >> It's the best. >> That's a great name. >> That's funny. >> Yeah. But he wrote songs. So I was like, I'm going to enter this contest. My mom was like shocked. I went I was like working in the yard. She's like, "Go pick the weeds." And I'm like, "Mom, there's a ad on the radio for a contest called the True Valley Country Showdown and I want to enter it." She was like, "What? You don't even talk? You don't You're too shy. like, "Are you kidding me?" And I was like, "No, I want to do it." And she was like, "What are you going to sing it?" You had to sing an original song. And I sang one of my dad's. >> Oh, wow. What was the song? >> It was called um Gosh, now I can't think of it. >> Too many song titles in my head. Way too many. >> Um >> that's like Dun Bars. >> There. Here I go again. That's what the title is. >> Okay. >> And so like cuz I grew up on like forever. I thought my dad wrote like Mama Drad because I grew up with him just playing John Pride and Haggard and David Allen Co and uh Guy Clark, you know. So I started to realize, oh, some of these are like my dad's originals and some of those are more real Haggards. They're [laughter] not just dads. Um, but like I got up there and I got I didn't win, but I it was like my first Okay. Like like you were just saying, it was my first like, okay, maybe I can I
can do this. Like I I'm green and I'm shy and I'm new and I'm young, but like I I'm not terrible. Like I'm I'm [laughter] I'm kind of equal with these guys. You know what I mean? We're all babies. Yeah. It was >> exciting. >> And it was um >> I don't know. I think that's the first time I was like, "Okay, I found something that doesn't feel foreign to me that's not so hard to learn." You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Do you believe in fate? >> Yeah, I do. >> You probably should. >> Yeah. Right. Because it worked out. [laughter] >> Yeah. Exactly. >> That's my my bias about fate. Like if uh if if anybody should believe in fate, it's people like you or I. But I'm not sure. My bias is that I believe in it because it worked out. >> Yeah. >> You know, but I mean, if your life is [ __ ] and you're like, is this fate? Like what did I do in a past life? [laughter] Like what kind of an [ __ ] was I that everything just turned [laughter] out so terrible, you know? Oh, well there's there I mean I don't know. I feel like I also met my husband in like a crazy way and so I can't help but believe in fate. Like >> there's something to it. >> Yeah, I believe in it. >> Yeah, there's something to it. As much as I my mind want my rational mind wants to ignore the possibility like the randomness of the universe, the size and scope of it all. Do you really think it matters what you do? Do you really think but it does to you, right? It has a giant impact on your life and everything matters. Just because there's black holes doesn't mean your [ __ ] your homework doesn't matter, you know? Everything matters, right? Your whole world, everything matters. >> It's like you can't think that things don't matter like that the universe wouldn't have a plan for your life >> when it seems to have a plan for everything. >> Yeah. >> I mean, all of it seems to be happening for some sort of a very bizarre reason. All of it together. So, I'm sure that
there's something to fate, but it's just my rational mind wants to go, "That's just your ego. It's like silly. You could have been born in Somalia. You know, life could have sucked for you." You know, it's it's hard to because fate's a weird one. Like, you can't measure it. Can't put it on a scale, [snorts] but it seems to be real. >> Yeah. Well, it's real for us. >> So, then it's real, >> I guess. >> Also, I'm like, your ceiling is giving me >> Yeah. >> I love it. the little shooting stars. >> Yeah. >> Every And you were like, "Fate is real." And it was like [laughter] boom. And I was like, "Yeah, it is." >> If I don't tell people, I didn't tell you, but sometimes people >> I love it. >> They're like, "Am I having flashbacks? Like what is going on?" >> It's awesome. That's what I love about West Texas. Something about like it's just so vast in the middle of nowhere. Like the stars are >> they feel like they're we call it the thundome when we're we like lay in the yard and it just feels like they're you could reach up and grab them >> cuz it's so dark out there. Yeah, >> it's magical. >> Well, they're on top of you and you don't have any light pollution. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's the thing that ruins the world. >> Yeah. >> That's the problem with New York City. That's why everybody's so stupid. They're like so like stuck in their own world. It's cuz like they don't realize they're in space. [laughter] >> Exactly. >> You know, >> you don't get that break. >> Yeah. >> A break that you get from space that I don't think you get from anything else where you just like look up and go, "Oh, yeah. Okay. I'm taking all this [ __ ] way too seriously. Yeah, >> this is nuts. Like just above us. >> It totally is. And I also when you said that, it made me think of what we were talking about earlier about wisdom and
like I don't know, just kind of reaching some goals and taking a breath and calming down and going, "Okay, everything's okay." It's like >> I just feel like I saw shooting star and lost my train of thought. [laughter] I have ADHD. Like I lost my heart. >> We have to shut them off. >> Well, we were talking about space inspiration and fate and [laughter] >> squirrel. What are you zinninging over there? What are those? >> Oh, these are Lucy's. They're breakers. You do you ever take these? >> I don't know what they are, but I like zins. >> You like the Here, try these. These these are strong, though. They're >> Oh, like what? Sixes. >> Nine. >> Oh, I'll pass out. >> Yeah. Don't do it. I'm not doing it. This is >> not for you. >> I'm not doing it. >> This is strong. This one's not. Yeah, these are nines. >> I got some fours over here. >> Oh, you got some fours. >> Oh, chuck me a four. Sorry. [snorts] >> What are What's the Lucy's? >> Um, >> why are they different? >> Um, they have like a little thing inside of them that you you they're called breakers. >> So, it's like coffee flavored you put in your mouth >> just like >> Uh-huh. Yeah. And you crack that little sucker open, it gives you a little blast of flavor. Yeah, little sugar. Almost like a little cupcake piece of candy in there [laughter] for you. >> Oh, those are fours, right? So, that's not bad. That's a nice up and run out of here. >> I already concentrate because of the shooting. [laughter] >> I saw a dude online. He got a a 50 mgram one from overseas. >> What? >> Yeah. And he tried it and you know he was violently ill lying on the ground
like I made a terrible >> Why would you do that? Well, I think he did it for props, you know, like so he could get some online creds. Did it for the great >> Did it work? >> I mean, I guess people I watched it. [laughter] >> I wanted to see. I'm like, you're going to take a 50? Oh, you're [ __ ] dude. And he said, "Oh my god, it's like drinking battery acid." And then he was lying on the ground at the end of it. It's like, I really [ __ ] up. I made a giant mistake. Cuz it's so much nicotine. 50 milligrams. It's crazy. >> But you're so like so into health and just take such good care of yourself. Mhm. >> What is the big what like why are I just tell people oh they're good for you have one. [laughter] >> What do you think? Like tell me your opinion of these this whole craze. >> Nicotine is not bad for you, >> right? >> The delivery method is what's bad for you. And um the delivery method with cigarettes in particular with cigarettes that have a bunch of chemicals added to them. That's even worse. Like the regular cigarettes, like natural cigarettes, I bet are probably not as bad for you. Dr. Dr. Suzanne Humphre, she's a a physician who was on here was explaining to us like why regular cigarettes are not as bad, but they're still it's still not good for you to be smoking in your lungs. But the nicotine itself is not bad. Nicotine itself is neuroprotectant. Nicotine itself um actually is a neutropic. So which means it's cognitively enhancing. So um neutropics are like vitamins that help brain function. And there's a bunch of them like um have some here. We have some stuff called Alpha Brain. That's great. >> I've seen that. >> There's a bunch of companies that make different versions of a neutropic, but there are there are nutrients that enhance memory and enhance your uh verbal uh verbal memory, so your ability to recall words. Uh they can enhance peak alpha flow state. Like they've done like real they've done two double blind placeboc controlled studies at the Boston Center for Memory with AlphaBrain. It shows more effectiveness
than any of the drugs that they had studied over the past like nine months before they did this. Like this is pretty impressive. So nicotine does that too. Nicotine enhances your memory, enhances brain function, enhances it stimulates you. >> So there's a lot of benefits to nicotine as a but the problem is like how do you take it? How are you taking your nicotine? You know, probably one of the best ways is maybe gum, you know, and these these things. >> People are wearing patches now and stuff. >> Oh, [ __ ] crazy people. That's Ron White. He wears a goddamn patch. What are you doing, Ron? >> I got a patch on and I'm smoking. [laughter] He's got a cigar. He's got a Zen [ __ ] animal. But [laughter] good. >> He's such an animal. But [snorts] I think uh there's there's real benefit to I know a guy who uh puts a nicotine patch on for productivity when he writes. >> Well, that makes sense to me. Like I feel like cuz all the songwriters are, you know, right now everybody in Nashville's singing and I'm like, I'll try one. And it like really does give you a little >> stimulant. >> Yeah. And I also have a lot of words in my head. I need to remember words and I also need to write new words. [laughter] >> So, anything to help with that. anything you want. If you want to help with memory, Alpha Brain is a really good one. >> I want to try that because I just think like um at some point too when you're tired, you know, it's just it feels like you like you can't I mean, you just saw me lose my train of thought. It's like >> I don't want to be on like a bunch of aderall and stuff. I'm like I want to be on I want to find a different method to like have my brain functioning the best it can. These are addictive though. And I got to say, um, different people have different levels of like how addicted they get with these. Like some people can't not have them. I went on vacation. I said, I'm going to go on vacation and not bring any and see what happens. See if I freak out just to see. And nothing.
Zero. Nothing. It was like I kind of missed them maybe for a day or two, like wanted one, didn't have any. And then after like three days, I was like, "Oh, this is fine." Yeah. >> It's not It's not like a physical like, "Oh my god, I'm Jones. It's not like smoking. >> I'm a shaken." Yeah. >> But I've I know people that have tried to get off of them that really struggle. >> I mean, it it is addictive. I mean, it's nicotine. >> I think the vapes are the hardest to get off of. >> The vapes like that's I don't [snorts] want heat on my voice either, you know? >> Right. Well, vapes aren't really hot, but it is if you buy them ones that are like in the gas station like who knows where those are. >> Like with the ones that heat up. >> Oh, yeah. The crazy ones. >> I like that. >> Adam Curry. Do you know who Adam Curry is? >> He's the first podcaster. He used to be MTV DJ. >> Yes. >> Guy with beautiful hair. >> Yes. >> Good friend of mine. He carries around one of those robot lunchbox vapes. Those big old crazy ones where you're blowing >> up and it makes like noise. >> It's like kind of like a power bar on the side of it. It's so ridiculous. And he blows this giant, but it's all like he he fills it with natural oil, so it's air quotes healthy. Air quotes. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] But >> that's what they that's what people say. They smoke American spirits. >> Yeah, it's healthy. Come on. There's an [laughter] Indian on there. >> Exactly. >> How come they get away with that? Are American Spirits owned by Native Americans? >> No. So, how the [ __ ] do they have a Native American on there and not catch any slack? >> They do, right? Don't they have an >> It's a badass package. >> Got in trouble in the past for stuff. So yeah, I'm not I'm not getting into it. >> Oh, [laughter] get into tobacco company problems. >> He's like, uh, and Pivot. [laughter]
>> Did you ever see that movie, The Insider with Russell Crowe? >> I don't think so. It's about a guy who works for a tobacco company that is explaining. He was a chemist and he's explaining how they added all these different things to make it more addictive and they're trying to kill him in the film because they don't want that information getting out. He's the insider. It's kind of crazy movie and based on a true story. >> Wow. >> Yeah, I watch that. >> They they put a bunch of [ __ ] in cigarettes to try to get get you hooked. >> Well, then they do it. I mean, it works. People >> That's the hardest one. I feel like it's it's the most you hear people talking about trying to quit that and drinking to me like you know what I mean just on the daily like I'm in a band so everybody's like oh I quit now they're all like you go to zen you got a zen [laughter] >> because it's just highly addictive I guess >> it's it is but it's it's people want something they just want something to take them out of whatever state they're in. Give me something. Give me a drink. Give me this. Give me a coffee. Give like everybody I know that's in Alcoholics Anonymous. They all smoke or drink tons of coffee. >> Mhm. It's either or both. >> Yes. >> Because they're just want to do something. Get me something's not going to make me suck dick for bus fair, but I'm at least get a little bit of something different than regular life. I don't want to be homeless. I don't want to be cracked out, but give me something. Just give me a little something to take me away from wherever I am right now. >> Yeah. Not that far away. Just a little bit away. >> Just a little next door. Let me go next door and hide. [laughter] >> Love it. I'm going to start saying that when I'm like in I need to go next door. >> Yeah, I'm gonna go next door just a little bit. I don't want to go too far away. I can hear everybody. But >> am I supposed to like break this little candy thing? >> I do. Yeah, I break it right away. You
just crack down on that little sucker. >> What's in there? >> Probably candy. >> Ooh, >> nice. Right. >> That's like a little burst of >> little burst of flavor [laughter] next door. >> I like those. I like those. >> That's funny. My buddy Duncan found out that um his blood sugar goes up when he vapes cuz he was buying those gas station vapes and you know he got he got type two diabetes because he was eating too much sugar. He's okay, don't worry. Uh but he uh realized cuz he monitors his blood glucose that like when he was vaping, his blood was going through the roof. I go, "Okay, why do you think that is? Like why do you think it's strawberry flavored? What the [ __ ] do you think's in there, bro? You're eating candy all day. Like you're vaping on sugar. >> Sugar. >> Yeah. >> Oils. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It has to be. >> Yeah. >> It has to be. I mean, if it's like grape flavored or whatever the hell it is, it's like there's some some Also, who knows what kind of oil they're putting in those damn things. It >> stinks. Probably made in China or somewhere. >> I watched a video on TikTok of uh these dudes testing them. So, some dude is just sucking on each one of them to make sure they work at the factory. >> What's going to happen to him? I don't know what's going to happen to you because you're sucking on the same one that he was sucking on. Nobody cleans those things off. You just get them at the gas station and stick it right in your mouth. >> That's like a karaoke mic. >> Yes. [laughter] >> That's nasty. >> So nasty. >> Okay, I'm spinning this out. Oh, pause. Pause. >> Oh, you get rid of it. >> Oh, I gave me It's like a >> buzz. >> Yeah, it's like a little buzz. >> Yeah, a little next. You went next door.
>> Yeah, I like that. Excuse me. I'm going next door. >> Yeah. Um, so anyway, nicotine vapes, not I don't think they're good for you, folks. Sorry. Cuz people thought they were healthier for you than cigarettes, but it turns out like, no. Not only they not Yeah. Here's a look. Oh god, >> look. He's testing all of them. All his cute little pink ones. He's got to make sure they all work. By the way, how hooked is that guy? That guy must >> [ __ ] hooked. Where is this taking place? >> Does it say in the >> That guy has to test all of them. I would like to see like with that guy's look. That guy looks like he's 15 years old. >> Did you see the bottom? >> No. >> Says seven to 8,000 tests per day. >> That's terrible, >> bro. Test his lungs cuz there's a thing called popcorn lung that kids are getting. >> I've heard of that. >> The thing about these things is that they're they're very very addictive. They're more addictive than I think any other delivery method. Like you just And the thing about nicotine vapes is the first vape of the day is the only one you really want. The first vape of the day I would take a vape and be like [sighs] this is wonderful. Like this feeling is wonderful. It's wonderful. And then you chase that dragon and you never get it back until the next day. The rest of the day you're sucking on this thing. Go, >> yeah, [snorts] >> nope. Nothing. I didn't I'm not getting it. I'm not getting that wonderful feeling. >> You have to have no nicotine in your system. And then you had that one hit. It's like welcome me into your life. >> Do you get like Do these people get like that feeling from those patches? >> I don't think so. I think the patches just make you >> like a little aderally. >> Yeah, it's like I'm sure people have Adderall patches, don't they? Do they have a Add a patch? >> I don't think so. >> No, Aderal is a sketchy one. >> I had someone here the other day was telling me they were doing Adderall
right before. I want I did an Adderall just so I'm ready. Like >> it's like it's a writing. It's very helpful for writing. Oh, I'm sure. >> It's like you don't want to have I don't want to need it. So that's why I was like, what brain things can I [laughter] take? >> Yeah. >> What are Lucy's? >> What does it say, Jamie? Oh, amphetamine patch. There it is. >> Oh, sure are. >> ADHD treatment that lets you control your time, your way. They always say that like look, there's a a woman who's in control. Look at her with her jean jacket on, her arms crossed. I'm in control. She's got a controlled posture. Look at her posture. [laughter] >> I'm on a meth patch. I'm in control. >> Please, Lord, no. >> You are literally on a drug that will kill your superpower. You got a superpower and you're killing it with a drug so you could focus. >> I definitely don't want a patch of that. >> Yeah. No thanks. >> No thanks. >> I don't need it. Maybe maybe somebody needs it. I don't want to judge. But the reality is that stuff the the amphetamines in any shape or form are highly addictive. Yeah. And they're passing them out like candy. Yeah, >> my daughter's in high school and a bunch of kids in high school have air quotes ADHD and because of ADHD they get aderall and then also they get more time on tests >> because they got ADHD they can't focus so they're [ __ ] on speed tricks of the >> and they get more Yeah. And so [laughter] because it's very competitive and parents want to get their kids into colleges, they're they're, you know, getting their kids diagnosed so they can get their kid hooked on whatever they're probably already hooked on too cuz a lot of people that are adults are hooked on it. And you can tell those folks cuz they come to the the parent teacher meetings and they can't shut the [ __ ] up [laughter] and they just want to talk to you about everything. Oh my god. >> They want to corner me and ask me about some episode I did. Oh my god, I love that episode they did with the guy about climate.
>> Your ass. >> They're so cracked out. They're so obviously cracked out. And there's a lot of people out there just running around cracked out, but they feel like they got it from the doctor. The doctor gave me I'll tell you 30 milligrams and I'm just a better person. I just better about all tasks. [laughter] >> I'm actually I like talk to that person daily. Like I feel like I those people are everywhere. >> They're everywhere. >> Yeah. >> Well, we looked it up. Use Perplexity, which is one of our sponsors, and uh find out how many prescriptions for Aderall they wrote in, let's say, 2024. Let's take a guess. How many do you think? >> I mean, I could not even ballpark that. >> I want to say 40 million. I bet it's 40 million prescriptions at least. It's probably a lot more, but I'm going conservative and I'm saying 40 million prescriptions for Adderall in 2024. What do you want? You want to guess? >> Yeah. >> Take a guess. >> 40 say 51. >> 51. You're probably closer. I bet it's like 90. I bet it's not. I bet it is because it's like individual people refilling prescriptions, you know. I don't think it's like 90 million patients, but it's a lot. I bet it's all journalists. [laughter] I like most people that are writing things. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I bet that in What is it? Okay. How many aderall prescriptions were written in 2024? According to Plexi, 45 million aderall prescriptions written in the United States. Well, we were both in the middle. Yeah. >> You What did you go 51? >> Yeah, I said 40. Um, commonly prescribed stimulants for conditions such as ADHD and narcolepsy. This number follows several years of notable growth. Huh. Weird. More people need it. >> It's up since 2019. Look at that. >> Yeah. Notable growth. Data suggests the prescription rates began to decline slightly after a sharp surge during the CO 19 pandemic and shortages affected. Um, I'll stop. Um, 2019 it was only 35. Interesting.
So, it's up 10 million. Woo, that's crazy. 41.4 million in 2021 and 45 million by 2023. I bet there's a lot of people getting it illegally, too. Like, what's that number? Okay, let's >> That's cuz you there was that shortage and they've cover recovered from it. >> Mhm. Well, also once the shortage started, people got dealers. >> Sure. >> But people are using mushrooms and stuff for that now, too. >> That's a very different thing, though. >> I've heard I've heard a lot about that. >> Yeah. Micro doing mushrooms is a that's a very different thing than aderall. Yeah, that's like the opposite of aderall. >> Yeah, even if it's for focus, right? Like >> Well, I'm sure it'll help your focus is >> on something. >> Yeah, but you got to be you got to mind your P's and Q's when it comes to your dosages. Also, like where you get >> That's so scary for me. Like I'm like, where is it from? Like, did you just go to the cow pasture? Cuz that's like what teenagers do when >> Mhm. >> I heard they were doing mushrooms. Like they're like cow tipping and going, you know, I'm from East Texas. Yeah. [laughter] Well, they definitely found them growing on poop. I mean, that's how all humans originally probably discovered psilocybin. They found them on cow poop. >> Yeah. >> But, um, the thing about that though is like [sighs] >> you got to get them from somebody who knows what they're doing cuz there's they're all different and you can get some that are crazy strong. Like there's some out there that'll knock you into another universe. >> So, what are you doing? Are you just eating a cap? Are you paying attention to the are you getting them in pill form? Who you getting them from? Like I have a friend who >> they're all my questions, too. >> Gets them from a friend. And I was like, who the guy? Who's the guy that you you not seeing these things get packaged? Let's get the [ __ ] out of here. >> It's a little little shady. >> Super sketch. Super sketch. Yeah. >> And they they all it's like uh marijuana
edibles before the the legality in California when it was medical they had be it was crazy because now they they because of the regulations in California I think the most they could make them is 10 milligrams which is normal. It's a normal dose. But before that, when it was medical, like it became medical in the '9s, they would make 500 mgram chibba chews. These these things that like they're 500 milligrams, which is insane. It puts you in another dimension. >> I never even heard of that. >> They're so strong. And my friend Joey, who's a real demon, Joey used to uh take the wrapper off of 25 mgram ones and give people a 500 millgram one instead. [laughter] Oh, he th a a real demon >> and he would just laugh because he can he could tolerate insane doses. So he would give people like preposterous amounts. >> I have a songwriter friend and I love her dearly. But whenever she says do this, I'm like do a quarter of that. Whatever that is to the public. [laughter] Do yourself a service. Do a quarter of that. >> Some people have ridiculous tolerances >> for marijuana. Yeah. I mean it's crazy. >> Yeah. For anything. >> I'm just over here Uh, taking a Lucy from a random dude. >> Well, it's [laughter] only four milligrams. It's minor. It wasn't that bad, right? >> I would never like the nine. I would have told you like before quick. It's a lot. Yeah. >> I have twelves. >> What did you use those for? Real busy days. >> I don't like them. They They jolt me too much. But I have them. This is just because Lucy sent them to me. But I think the right dose is three or four. That's right. You guys just a little pickme up. Just a little. >> Not the cracked out. Not the cracked out soccer bomb. [laughter] >> Yeah. Not the cracked out. Not out. I've never tried aderall. I' I'm scared of it. I want to try it one day because I'm scared of it. Cuz I'm like, I need to know what everybody's fussing about. Because everybody I know that's tried it is like, don't try it. You'll love it. [laughter]
>> You'll love it. >> You'll [ __ ] love it. >> It is focus. I mean, it is it really hones hones in. >> I have a buddy of mine and his wife told him to stop cuz he was snorting it cuz he was writing. >> That's insane. >> He's like, that's the best way to get it real quick. And he was like to his wife, he's like, why do you care how I do it? She's like, "You're snorting drugs while the kids are asleep." He's like, "Okay." [laughter] >> Yeah, that's a little far. Slow your roll. >> He's not an addict, though. He just He just felt >> He's not an addict, though. He's not an addict. >> He felt like he had to snort to really get the most out of it quickly. >> Everybody, like you said, everybody's trying to find something like >> cuz I think if you take it as a pill, it probably takes like an hour before it kicks in and he didn't have an hour. So, he's like, [laughter] >> "I have a deadline." >> Yeah. Does your friend that disappears, does he like have he doesn't have phone, no digital, nothing? >> No, nothing. >> I wonder if that digital detox is like one of the hardest ones. I feel like >> it's got to be the hardest. >> Yeah, >> I've done uh social media detoxes for multiple days and you genuinely feel better >> and then you go, why am I doing this to myself where I don't do this? >> I know all the time. Something that's annoying, if I can just say it, is that like when people do take a break from social media, that's like all they tell you about the whole time. [laughter] Well, I'm on a break from social media. I'm like, can you be on a break from without telling anybody that you're on a break from social media? >> Right. They have to tell you how virtuous they are. >> I am actually on a break of social media unlike you. >> I'm like, cool, bro. >> You you little addict [laughter] scrolling through cat videos. >> Doom scrolling.
>> Yeah, there's a lot of doom scrolling. Um Yeah. It's like people who do yoga, they can't shut the [ __ ] up about it. >> Yeah. Or people with like a special special like a special diet like >> Oh, yeah. >> You're hearing about it. You're hearing about it. >> Vegans are the worst. >> You're going to hear about it. >> They're the absolute worst. >> Like no one has ever met a vegan that didn't tell them they're vegan. It doesn't happen. >> They always tell you not. >> They work it into a conversation eventually. They let you know how virtuous they are. >> It's like just you can you can not eat meat and not tell anyone. >> Yeah. Just [laughter] do it as a spiritual growth like just like as like an >> It's your little secret with yourself. >> Yeah. Your little secret with yourself is you're not on social media. [laughter] >> So don't tell me. >> My favorite is people who are on social media making fun of people that are on social media because there's a lot of like really not self-aware people. They're like mocking people that spend all their time on social media while they're making videos on social media. Like that's rich. like that [laughter] is like >> it overwhelms me honestly like I'm trying to you can't keep up with it so I just try I don't try to keep up with it but like I was just talking on the way here I was like maybe I need to get on TikTok like there's a lot of music on Tik Tok like there's a lot of musicians and like yeah >> we have a label now called Big Loud Texas um our our office is in Austin and I'm like I know there's amazing talent on there and one of our flagship artists Dylan Gosset posted something awesome on there and now he's out there crushing it so I feel like I'm missing out. But then I'm like, do I need one more thing? Like I I don't know. It's like this. >> Do you have an assistant >> battle? Yeah. And I have a great management team, too. >> This is great. Get your assistant on TikTok and then tell them to let you
know if anything's cool and show it to you. >> She did that and we signed a guy. [laughter] His name's Albert. >> You got it. That's what happened. So perfect. That way you don't have to be on it, >> right? >> So you could avoid it and she'll be a net that catches all the good fish. >> Cameron, it's all you, girl. >> Yeah, [laughter] it's all you, girl. So like she'll catch the good fish. You don't have to go by the river. Just stay off that tick tock river. >> I needed I need that talk today cuz we just had that talk on the plane on the way here today. >> Cuz it's a raging river stuff. [laughter] >> Yeah, you should be scared. >> I'm like I'm already like everything's just a lot of information all the time. >> I know. For me, it's like a a a show of force when I leave my phone on the nightstand when I go to the bathroom. It's like I'm going to take a [ __ ] without my phone. >> Do you tell everybody? >> Nope. >> See? >> Just told you. >> See? Good. Just told you. See, you're not one of those. I'm on [laughter] a social media break. >> No, my wife has like a app on her phone that shows like how long she's been without social media. Like, and if you want to go on social media, you have to go into the app, enter a password, and open everything up. >> I think that's so smart. >> Oh, yeah. And she she showed me the other day it was like 90 hours. I was like, that must feel so good. She's like, you feel different. You feel different. It's not good for you. Bad for everybody. >> No, but we need it. But we for some things. I get it. >> It's great for artists. It's great to promote your work. It's great for comedians to put clips up. It's great for musicians to put songs out there. It's great. It is great in a lot of ways. I I'm so happy it exists. >> Oh, me too. I was stapling my posters to a phone pole when I started. Like, >> wow. >> Like I did it old school like boots on
the ground, walking up to the radio station, knocking on the door saying, "Can I play a song?" Like, and now really? >> Yes. Like, have you ever seen >> Loretta Lynn's life story? Have you ever seen Cole Miner's Daughter? >> Yes. that like me and my mom with baloney sandwich and my mom's Ford Expedition like driving around all over Texas me going I'm a singer songwriter like and now I'm like dang I'm jealous of the way that people can do it now because >> yeah but I think you probably develop so much character doing it the way you did it. >> Yeah, I'm thankful for that but I'm also like well damn [laughter] these kids they just post something and like 100 million people see it in a night. Like what's happening? Well, the problem with that is like sometimes people get fame they're not really ready for yet. And I think >> 100%. >> Doing what you did and going to bars and then eventually becoming famous after years and years of performing and promoting yourself and getting your chops on stage and really settling into yourself. That is so much better than being like a 20-year-old kid that like sits around and comes up with a song. Like look at Oliver Anthony. All right. Oliver Anony's a good friend of mine. Was he was selling [ __ ] farm equipment and he he makes that rich men of north of Richmond song and all a sudden he's a giant superstar and he's like that's I had a phone call with him while it was going down, >> you know? >> Was he just like help? Like I mean that's crazy. >> Yeah. He's like these people are offering me money. I go, "Don't take any money from anybody. Do not sign with anybody." I go, "You don't need anybody. You already did it." Right? You've got talent and you're already famous, right? You just made a giant hit song. Don't give away any of you. >> Yes. >> Don't sell it. >> You know, he's like, "Well, they're telling me I got to strike while they iron." So, I'm like, "Fuck those people. They don't know what they're talking about. You could do this again. You
could do this again and again and again. Now that you already did it, it's going to be way easier the second time because everybody's going to be waiting to see what you say next." >> Yeah. I know. it. And that's like also nobody you can't learn. It's like you you do the journey in reverse. >> Well, he did the first show he ever did was a giant sold out. The first time he ever performed live, giant sold out show when he was already famous. >> It's so mindbog boggling. I can't even like put it into words cuz I'm thinking like how you get your chops and how you you did it fight by fight. you did it stage by stage when doing comedy like it just happens so fast and it's like and then you still have to pay the dues but it's just backwards. just like >> the thing is though he paid the dues as a regular bluecollar human being and that's where he developed his character >> so that when it all came he's like oh my god I just stepped into a magic story >> like he had a regular story and then all of a sudden the genie came along and abracadabra >> the internet and the internet just put that song out there and everybody's like holy [ __ ] this song's great and all a sudden he's hugely famous but he had character being a real person >> 17, >> you know what I mean? >> Possible. Yeah. >> Yeah. It scares me. I'm just like, we still got to go do the work now. We still got to start developing who you are now. Even though the world already knows who they think you are, you know, >> it's almost impossible if you start too young. Like we were talking about that with Michael Jackson the other day that like no one can teach you how to do that and no one survives that. Everybody who's famous when they're a little kid, they're all [ __ ] up. No one No one gets that. >> It does. It comes with a really high cost. You can see it. >> Yeah. I always make the analogy that's like you're making cement, but you don't put the right ingredients in and you can't go back and remix it, >> right? >> Like if you don't put enough water in or you don't put enough sand in, that cement sucks. It's always going to be [ __ ] up. And that's what it's like
when you're a kid and you get famous. Like you didn't allow that person to mix correctly. >> Right. I think that like that's why I'm glad I, you know, I didn't go to college, but I I got to have the the learning times of just being 17, 18, 19, 20, like just >> learning life, like while playing music, but it was just kind of in some dive bar somewhere. It wasn't in front of people, you know what I mean? And I you get to build your character. You get to figure out who you are. And that's why I think the down by the river and the tick tock river. [laughter] I've learned two things. I'm going to refer to it as down by the river and I need to go next door. [laughter] >> The tick tock river. Yeah. It's a raging river, too. That's a scary ass river. That river never stops. >> It never stops. >> Which we're thankful for it, too, by the way. Like I I found some great talent and >> learned some really cool recipes and get to talk about rescue dogs. You know, there's the good things about it. >> There's great things. It's it's basically a new element of human civilization that we have to contend with that we've never figured out how to there's no real like precedent on how to navigate this especially as a child. >> No children ever grew up with it before. These are the first children that are growing up with it. Yeah. >> And no one can tell them how to do it right. We can just observe what's going wrong with it. >> Yeah. >> It's real sketchy. >> Yeah. >> It's it's real weird. And people say to me like, "Do you let your kids on social media?" I'm like, "Yes, cuz they they have to be able to handle it and they have to know what it is, but don't but also don't do it." My my one of my daughters, my youngest, also has that same app on her phone. She never goes on social media anymore. >> How old is she? >> She's 15. So, she stays off of it and she she'll watch YouTube. She'll watch YouTube videos or stuff like that, but like social media, she's like, "It's just doesn't I don't like it. It's not good for you." And it gets in the way of
school work and it gets in the way of stuff she's doing. So, she stays off it. But, she's just wise. If I was 15, I'd be [ __ ] [laughter] I would have been [ __ ] I was so dumb. I'd been I don't believe that for a second. >> Tick tocking all day. I'd have been making all kinds of stupid videos try to get attention. That's also part of the problem is that kids are doing things just to try to get attention rather than doing things because they really love an art form they're trying to get better at. Like if you make a great song and you're 17 years old, like and it goes viral, at least you're doing a thing, like you're doing an art thing. >> You're not just trying to get attention. And there's a lot of people out there that don't have a thing, they're just trying to get attention. If you ask young kids like, "What do you want to do when you grow older? When you when you grow up, a lot of them, like a giant percentage of them, just want to be famous." I I was about to say that like I saw that whatever that study was and I read about it and it was like but famous for what? >> Like you just want to be famous >> but what what skill or what trade or what like what do you >> just famous? >> Why >> Kim Kardashian? >> Why in the world? Like that sounds awful. >> Well, because they see cameras going off and people are staring at you and that's a p that's an important person. You know, a lot of people just want to be an important person. They want to be a person with the nice stuff. >> Like, look at the nice house and look at the nice cars and look at the nice watch and the nice this and the >> They just want to be an important person. And the society that they are growing up in shows them that all you have to do is be famous. >> Yeah. >> Like Kim Kardashian is one of the most famous people alive. >> She doesn't do anything. There's not like a thing like we could point to, oh, she's like the best, >> she's the best painter, she's the best singer. Nope. Nothing. Zero. Zero things. Super famous, worth a billion dollars.
>> And then kids are like, "That's what I want to do." Especially if they're dumb. And unfortunately, a lot of people are dumb. And those people never thought they would ever be famous before, but now you can be dumb and famous. >> I mean, that's a statement. >> Yeah. Dumb. You can be dumb and famous and not be good at anything. Like maybe maybe you could be dumb, but you're like the greatest baseball player of all time. That's great. And you're famous. But no, you're dumb and you're famous and you don't do anything. You're not good at a thing. Your your thing is just >> there's no fulfillment in that, right? >> You can't there can't be. >> There's not. >> Even if you're not great at the thing or a thing or if you try a bunch of stuff and you kind of suck at all of it, but you are working on it or whatever, there's fulfillment in that. There's >> Yeah. >> There's like an accomplishment. Like I paint folk chickens and I'm terrible at it. >> You what? >> Little just folk art chickens. I don't even know why. I have no idea why. And they're not good at all. >> You make paintings of chickens. >> Paint them on little canvases. >> What's a folk chicken? >> Well, I just call it folk art cuz it's bad. And when I [laughter] look up folk art, I'm like, "Oh, I can do that." Like some folk art's amazing, but I look up like folk art for beginners and then I'll like get inspired. I'll be like, "Oh, I could I could do that." >> I've never heard that genre before. >> Look it up. It's kind of It's anything and everything. Jamie, will you please look up folk art? What is the definition of folk art? >> That kind of stuff. [laughter] >> Oh, just okay. Reflect the cultural life of a community associated with fields of folklore and cultural heritage. >> I Huh. >> It's a 19th century concept. >> I don't know anything about it. I just am drawn to it cuz I think it's cute and fun. >> Do you have any of your stuff online? >> No. It's like in my backpack. I'm not going to show anybody. >> This is [laughter] like I painted one for my mom. She has to hang it up.
still my mom. [laughter] She put it in her kitchen. >> I didn't know that that was a Show me some more of those images. I didn't know that that was a genre. I had no idea that that was a thing. >> But I'm terrible at it and I don't know anything about it and I would like to learn. I want to take some like I'll look up like YouTube classes or whatever. >> So it's like keep it on there. So it's like not realistic. Folk art chicken. Okay, there's a folk art chicken. Let's see. >> Look, they're so cute. Look how cute they are. >> Okay, >> like that one. Like that little chunky one in the middle, the black one. >> How about the whimsical red hand above your cursor? >> That's like I'm only as good as like Go back. That one. Yeah, that's about >> See that one that says whimsical red hand right there above your cursor. She's cute. >> Above your cursor. Yeah, click on that one. >> See, I could like >> Oh, but that one. >> But you like and I'll go to like YouTubes of teaching me. All that to say, I'm trying something. >> You Well, [laughter] I think it's great you're doing different things. Boy, these some of these chickens are terrible. How about that one? >> Hey, it's art. >> If I saw you speak ill of that >> chicken like that, I was like, that chicken that's that's a >> that's what I look like for real. >> That's a [laughter] drone. >> They're so bad. >> Put in my yard by China. >> My husband is probably dying out there that I even brought this up. He's like, are you [laughter] talking about stupid car chickens? I'll just be in there. He's like cooking and I'm just like, I'm painting my chickens right now. >> Always chickens. >> I don't know why. [laughter] I have no idea. It's easy. That's why. >> Fate. >> It's fate. You're designed to be the greatest folk art. >> That's my next song. Folk art of all
time. Folk art fate. >> Imagine if that's what it is. Like there's something to compelling you to tell the world about chicken folk art. >> I guess so. >> Why chick? Do you have chickens? >> Yeah, I do have chickens. >> I have chickens. >> I love chickens. >> Chickens are great, right? >> They're awesome. >> They're really cute. They're the ladies. I go in the yard like that's why I call them. I say, "Hey, ladies." I give them all the scraps. They love everything from the table. Like any leftovers. It's funny to watch them though cuz they're like picky. Like the other day I thought they would eat like leftover breakfast casserole. Wouldn't touch it >> really. >> But they were all they didn't eat the biscuits. Chickens don't like biscuits. >> Well, maybe they know that breakfast casserole is eggs. They're like Jesus [laughter] Christ. This lady's [ __ ] nuts. She's trying to turn us into cannibals. >> Ridiculous. I didn't think about that. [laughter] >> Maybe it's like, >> "Oh no, what have I done to my ladies?" >> It might be like a natural reaction to them. I'll tell you what they go crazy for is mice. Have you ever seen Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, this is how I found out. Um, I used to have a house in California that my wife, she changed our back fence. It was a rot iron fence and she changed it to glass. And when she did, she she signed a death warrant for a bunch of hawks and they kept slamming into that [ __ ] glass. and like three of them died in our yard and one of them got KO'ed but survived and I was on the road and um she had told me about it and they had taken this this hawk and they had put it in a box and when I got back we got them what's called pinkies and what pinkies are are these little baby mice that have they feed them to lizards and snakes like that's what they're for like when you go to the pet store they sell you these They're not weaned from their mother and you feed them the snakes. I know it's dark. >> So they've they bought a bunch of them and fed this hawk these little baby mice and it ate all of them except one. And
my daughters were very young at the time and they're like, "We want to keep that mouse. We want to raise it." I'm like, "Honey, you can't. It's not going to live. Like, it's not weaned from its mother. It won't survive." I go, "I'm just going to go see if the chickens will eat it." I put this thing down and these chickens attacked like they were raptors from Jurassic Park. One chicken grabbed it and they all chased her around. They were stealing it from pulling it out of her mouth. >> It is the They are so ferocious. Like you've never seen anything like a chicken with a mouse. >> I've never heard this in my life. >> I'm going to show you a video and this video there's a bunch of videos of cats with mice. So, so this is a mouse. And why look at these chickens? >> My god, >> they just kill this mouse. And look, they all attack each other trying to steal the mouse away from the one chicken. Did >> they eat it? >> Oh, they eat it quick. Yeah, they devour it. Um, >> so there's another mouse in there that they don't know about yet. So, see, there's one with a cat. So, the cat is playing with the the mouse. Like, you know, cats don't kill it or Anisha, they want to play. And this chicken just runs over and snatches it from the cat like [ __ ] >> I have never heard this in my life. Look, the cat has a mouse and chicken's like, "Give me that bitch." They just go, "Look, it's got a mouse." And the cat's like, "Jesus Christ, you guys are psychos." >> Well, who knew? >> Yeah. Well, because they're dinosaurs. That's who they are. They're just dinosaurs that are really small that survived the impact of the asteroid. >> I also love dinosaurs. So, maybe that's why chickens I'm called to paint my folk chicken. >> You just don't realize how ruthless they are. >> I've never heard this in my life. This is blowing. I'm country as a bumpin and like I've never heard this. >> They destroy mice. Yeah. Dang. >> Destroy them. They love them. They tear them apart.
>> Well, I'm not gonna go do that, but I'm glad I know that now. >> Like nothing I've ever seen before. We also saw a mouse that got loose in the chicken coop once. They We had a big chicken coop and a mouse went in there and I saw these chickens just tear that mouse out. >> Well, then my breakfast casserole is not offensive [laughter] to them. >> They're eating their own babies. >> They're not. We don't have a rooster. >> Well, I know. But they don't know that. You're right. You know, they brood sometimes. >> I know. I just let them sometimes. I'm like, "Oh, well, I just like sometimes they look at me like, "Let me just sit on this." Like, "Okay, you can have it. That's your egg now." >> Yeah. But they pluck their feathers out and they get real. They get real. It It makes you sad. It's like they want to be a mommy. >> They do. >> Yeah. You don't let them. We had a rooster once, but he did not last. >> I do not enjoy having roosters. >> They're ruthless [ __ ] Yeah. He attacked my wife and she's like, "We're done. >> Mine attack me. I'm out on the rooster." >> Yeah. They're uh they're [ __ ] And but they're doing it because they're trying to protect their hens. Like they don't know that you're okay. They just think this big [ __ ] thing is moving around their hens like this giant person. >> They're also mean to the hens. Real mean ripping their feathers out. I'm like, I can't do it. >> Yeah, they're nasty. They're >> How many do y'all have chickens? >> We have uh 15. 15 or 16. >> Y'all name them? >> Yes. I don't name them, but my daughter and my wife names them. Um, but the rooster, he we only let him got he got to maturity and then we gave him to a friend. We're like, "This [ __ ] can't." I was gonna kill him. >> They're mean. >> Yeah. He attacked me. I went into the I was like, "You just got to like show him who's boss." And he's like, "No, >> no, I'll attack you too, bitch." >> Yeah, exactly. >> He attacked me and I was like, "Bitch, I will [ __ ] kill you." And so to avoid
killing him, I gave him away >> cuz I was totally ready to kill him cuz when I go in there, he'd face off against me and just leap at me and every time me >> m attacked me too and dad dealt with it. I don't know what happened to him but dad dealt with it. >> Soup [laughter] turned him into soup. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing about roosters, too. I guess you can't like just outright eat them. They're really tough. So, if you do kill them, you got to like either slow cook them or turn them into soup. >> Well, we we probably did. He didn't tell me. >> I had a landscaper back when I lived in LA who used to fight chickens and he took me over his place once. that >> it was crazy. >> I hate it. >> Yeah. He had like hundred hundred roosters. >> We have done foxers. >> M Nation has done We're not just We don't just help dogs, we help all animals, but dogs are focused, but like we've helped break up some chicken rings. >> It's kind of crazy that it's still it's still around. >> It's awful. There's some It's always out like we have a farm in Tennessee and there's a whole this whole farm like down the road and it's they keep them in tiny cages. I just hate it. every time we report them, every time they just pay the fine. You know what I mean? >> Well, it's a part of the culture. That's the problem. And they all gamble on it. I know. >> You know, he was Mexican and, you know, from Mexico and he had uh all these friends that lived in this neighborhood where he lived in. Like, you might as well have been in Mexico. It was crazy. Everything was in Spanish. And when I went over his place, it's like his buddy, we went over his buddy's place, his buddy had like a hundred cages in the backyard in a pit >> where they would uh take the roosters. Yeah. And they put spurs on them. So they put so >> terrible knives on their claws. >> We we try to like we got to be part of like some of the But when you confiscate like that many
>> mean Yeah. I mean you can't >> Yeah. >> reintroduce them into the world like you know what I mean? >> They're taught to be mean. >> They're bred for that. >> Mhm. Yeah. And they'll bred they'll breed champion roosters from champion other roosters. >> Let's just stick to our little backyard hens. How about that? >> Yeah. It's just it's a weird thing because like their their culture has been they fight them and then they take the loser and they cook them. >> Yeah. >> And you know, he was making it seem like it was no big deal. And it was like to them it was their gambling recreation. They would all gather around and guys would come from long distances to bring their chickens to fight. >> I hate it. >> Yeah. To me it doesn't freak me out as much as dog fighting. Dog fighting drives me nuts because pitbulls are the they're look they are very dangerous because they have a very high prey drive and they al often don't they confuse children with other animals. They don't >> but as pets they are the most loyal sweetest >> kind. >> They love you to death. They love you so much. But there's so many bad ones and so many ones that are raised just to fight. And that part of our culture, that part of society, like the the underground dog fighting part is like, how can you do that to a dog? Like how can you do that to the best animal? >> Scum of the earth is what it is. Um I feel like I have some friends that are huge into pit bull rescue and when they're either rehabilitated or just they get a bad rap period, right? Like like say any any metro shelter you go to, it's 90% pit bulls because people are afraid. >> Yeah. >> But they're they get such a bad reputation. But there are some amazing >> pitties that weren't ever in the fighting rings. They're just overbred and you know taken out of a confiscation of a um of a hoarding situation or breaking up the fighting rings and it's the mama dog that's just been having puppies. And like I just wish people would at least open their minds and
hearts to like >> there are some amazing pies out there or pity mixes, you know? >> There are, but they're also very dangerous. I know around other dogs, they will fight those dogs to the death. >> I think you're they have to be vetted. It has to be a well vetted shelter or adoption, you know. >> But the problem is often times you don't know their behavior until they're around other dogs. Like I've had dogs that were great around people and then I get them around any dog and their hackles would go up and they immediately wanted to fight >> and you're like, "Oh god." And then you're the [ __ ] cuz your dog is like pulling on the leash and you're like, "I'm sorry. Let me get them out of here." >> Right. I know. >> They they're dangerous. They're dangerous in that regard because they really are bred to fight. >> And I think it takes a special um household and owner too to really kind of handle a dog like that. Like >> 100%. our best friends, um Gwen, she's in my band and her and her husband are longtime pitbull uh rescue family and he they just know how to like deal with them and they come around our dogs, they're fine, everything's fine. But it's definitely an alpha male like >> they kind of show him who's boss right away and >> yeah, >> and they sort of understand the food chain of the house, you know what I mean? >> Yeah, there's dogs that are great dogs, but they just need a lot of attention. Like if you have a German Shepherd or a Belgian Malaminoa, you got to give those things something to do. >> You got to know what kind of breed you're getting too. Like >> I feel like people I always preach adopt don't shop. But I still think you within the adoption like really need to go I'm going to spend some time with this dog. I'm going to talk to its foster family. I'm going to foster it just to really understand what kind of breed you're getting. If you want like a lazy cuddly thing but still protect her, get a pyrenees. You know what I mean? like just know what you're getting. Like just understand like
>> is my household ready? Cuz there's a lot of the what breaks my heart the most is the like owner surreners and the returns at the shelters. You know what I mean? It's like >> you didn't think through what you were >> right and the dog already thought it had a home and now you bring them in, >> right? Because you you wanted a lazy dog and you got a cow dog and it needs to run. Like >> Great Pyrenees are great because they're kind of a combination of like a lab and a protection dog. They're a great little balance. Yeah. Like I have a friend who has a Pyrenees and it's like such a good dog. And he's like, "Listen, man. If coyotes come around here, this [ __ ] dog them up." Yep. >> I go, "Really?" He goes like, "Oh yeah." Like you you ain't never seen a change of personality. Like this dog when it sees a coyote, >> but then they're like laid up on the couch with their legs in there. >> The sweetest. Just rub my bed on your knees >> is [laughter] the best. >> Like a like I have a golden who's he's the best. Unless you're a squirrel and then he's hell. that he's a demon. He's a squirrel killer. >> But other than that, he's the sweetest boy. He's just so nice to everybody. Everybody who comes over the house like, "You're my best friend." >> Golden. >> They're so sweet. >> But I love them all. I love them all. We have a Chihuahua. I mean I mean you you're getting a Chihuahua. You know what you're getting. [laughter] >> Mean as hell >> and nervous. >> Oh my god. So mean. She's 16 and blind and she still tries to bite. She don't know where you are, but she's like, "But I could get you. 16 is old >> and blind as a bat. But >> oh my god. >> Senior dog house over here. >> Have you had her since she was a baby? >> Yep. >> Wow. >> Adopted her from a shelter when she was like 8 weeks old. >> Yeah. >> We got two seniors now, but I've lost I
was crazy dog lady when um my husband met me and I had eight rescues. Like it seems crazy now, but it I have farm and land and three were Pyrenees. um two golden mixes and then three little I don't know whats and I've lost one every year for six years and so after this we have two seniors left and my husband's like my heart can't take this like he never had dogs growing up >> he loves dogs but he was like this is awful like ever since we met we've lost one cuz they're stairst step in age and >> so I'm like I need a my heart needs a break a little bit [laughter] >> it's hard >> it's hard when they die it's like it's it's so hard you're so close to them and they only lived like to be 15 or 13 and then it's over. >> They're like put here to show us true love. >> I know >> they really are. >> Meanwhile, they're not. Meanwhile, what they are is like we took wolves and turned them into [ __ ] >> That's what [laughter] really really what happened. Like I have a a King Charles Spaniel, you know, one of those. He's the sweetest. That's Charlie. He is the sweetest. He's so cute. You pick him up, he just kisses your face. He's just so adorable. That was a wolf. At one time, someone took a wolf and turned that wolf into a [ __ ] and like, "You're not enough of a [ __ ] Let me turn you into more of a bitch." And more floppy ears. >> Bernadoodles. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> It's so weird what humans have done to dogs. I know. >> That we've created all these like totally helpless little tiny breeds. >> I know. It's weird. >> Shih Tzhus and all these little tiny things. >> Yeah. these little >> but they're all amazing and there's plenty at the shelter that y'all should go check out. >> Look, they're amazing. I love them. But it is a weird thing that we've done. >> I know. >> Cuz they all used to be wolves at one point in time. >> Yeah. >> That's got to be the weirdest transformation of an animal
>> by human interaction is a dog. >> I wonder how I just wonder like the first one to do it. like, >> well, they think it was just like cavemen by the fire and wolves would come around and they had killed something and they'd throw them a bone >> and the the relationship became the wolves would let them know if intruders were coming, >> right? >> And then eventually they softened to the point where they could like sleep with these people. So they were like household animals or at least stay around the house and they trusted them to protect their children. And then, you know, then they developed different breeds that were better at like hurting sheep. Like, cuz you got to think like most wolves killed sheep. Yeah. >> So, all a sudden you could teach a dog to like make sure the sheep don't get killed by wolves, which is nuts. >> It's nuts. And it's incredible to watch. >> Yeah. >> And watching dogs like bird dogs. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> It's one of my favorite. And also like the canine units, they blow my mind like the things these dogs can do and the stamina they have. And you know, >> well, I think the biggest freak dog that's ever been created is the Belgian Malinoa. >> Oh, yeah. >> That is a [ __ ] crazy dog. When you see them run up walls and fly through, but like that's one of the dogs you're like, you need to know what you're getting because >> Oh, yeah. >> You need like a dude that can run with this dog >> all day. And you can't leave him alone. And you can't like, "Hey man, can you watch my dog? I'm going be gone for a week." Like, nuh-uh. [laughter] >> Uh-uh. [ __ ] >> That dog's coming with you, [ __ ] >> Exactly. You need to that dog's watching [laughter] you. >> Yeah. That dog needs activity. >> Yeah. >> Have you ever seen the video of the difference between the way a German Shepherd approaches an asalant versus a Belgian Malamo? >> No.
>> So they do these drills where they have a bunch of chairs in a room. Yeah. And uh the German Shepherd runs around the chairs to try to get to the guy who's got the bite suit on. The Belgian Malamo goes over all the chairs. Just like flies through the air barely touching the chairs. Watch this. So here's the shepherd. See how the shepherd runs around and he try he's like, "I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you." And he finds you and he bites you. Watch the Belgian Malino. As soon as they let him go, he's like, "Fuck these chairs." Right [laughter] over them. >> That's incredible. >> They're just meat missiles. They're meat missiles. Like they're designed to go [ __ ] things up. That's their task all day long. And they're crazy smart. They're really smart. It's intimidating. >> Oh yeah. They look at you like a raptor in Jurassic Park. They're like checking you out like, "What are we doing? Am I killing you or are you just one of my my dad's friends? >> That's a perfect perfect analog. >> They're like looking right at you like this. You're like, "Oh." >> And you're like, "Can I pet it or is he at work right now?" >> He's working. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't ever pet mal malamis unless I know for sure. They're they're just That's a working dog. It's a different thing. >> Same. >> You know, I mean, but it's also kind of crazy that they figured out a way to make a dog into that. Like how how do you make a dog into my dog, which is like just a cuddle b? He just he just a cuddle bug. He just wants to lie down with you. Like today we're watching TV. He just cuddles up. He's like got his head in my lap and I'm petting him and we're watching TV. He's like so happy. >> He used to be a wolf. >> The only one I think about in my house that used to be a wolf is my Chihuahua cuz she's the meanest. [laughter] >> How ironic is a wolf. >> That's so funny. But it's just so crazy that they figured out a way to make a wolf into a thing that protects animals from wolves. >> Yeah. >> Nuts. >> I didn't think about it like that. >> I mean, some of them. Have you ever seen
that? What is that shepherd dog? That crazy giant one from Russia. What is it? That enorm? What is it called? Not from Russia. It's like a mountain shepherd. It looks like a werewolf. And it's got really crazy thick hair because of the climate that it lives in, but it's like 200 lb. like this enormous thing that protects >> Caucasian shepherd. >> That's it. Caucasian shepherd. It literally looks like a werewolf. Like the werewolf that we have out front. American werewolf in London. That's what it looks like. And it just protect. Look at that. >> Oh, I've seen those. I just didn't know what they were called. >> Crazy. See if you can find one that's doing bite. >> But look, that one looks sweet. >> Yeah, unless you break into the house. [laughter] I mean, that thing's crasian shepherd training. Yeah. Or bite there. Right there. >> Oh god, that does look like the thing in the front. >> That's fake. But look at the side. That's one like pretending to see So, there's one that's doing bite work though in that other image. That's the the word for them. This like a word uh of chara. Like that is a big ass dog. And that's another dog that they use to um to protect against wolves. Look at the size of that sucker. That >> thing is huge. >> So, what are they doing here? >> Where are they? They're Russian. >> That looks like they're transporting it. >> Training uh YouTube channel. >> Oh, okay. They're training it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> With a big bag of shitty dog food. >> Wolf. >> That dog food that people buy. >> I know. >> That stuff's so terrible. >> You do farmer's dog. >> Uhhuh. >> Me, too. Yeah, we started off with another company called Mave, which is great. Is frozen, but um the just the way he eats farmer's dog, the way they eat it, it must taste way better. And it's the same kind of thing. It's real food. It's frozen. You get it frozen,
thaw it out, and feed it to him like he when when he's ready to eat, they devour it. Devour it. I had to start that with my senior dogs because they just had all kinds of things, you know, and everybody had ailments and needed pills and everything else. And I was just like, "All right, we're just going to do the expensive dog food." But I I had three Pyrenees rescues, two Golden Mixes, and like three littleer dogs. So, I'm like, "This is like $700 a batch [laughter] for all y'all to eat." Like, so I started making it for a while, too. Like, I would just make like ground turkey and vegetables. That's great. >> Um, but I just couldn't keep up with it. So, I mean, Farmer's dog is what we used to. >> Well, it's definitely way better than regular dog food because way better. Anything that can sit on a shelf can't be good for you. It just can't. It's filled with preservatives and that's not good for >> us living on Cheetos. I feel like Exactly. >> Sometimes I want to eat them sometimes. [laughter] >> I love them, but >> Yeah. Like if you were stuck in a cabin for a week and you couldn't get out and there's an unlimited supply of Cheetos in the cabin, you're going to live, >> right? >> But you're not going to feel real good. >> No, [laughter] you're not. People are always like, "What's on your rider?" I'm like, "Chee and Cheetos." Kind of all I need. >> Is that it? That's your [laughter] rider? Cheetos. Cheetos. Cheetos. >> Hilarious. >> That's hilarious. Some people have whack. >> What's on your rider? >> Not much. >> I have I have like a cheese tray maybe or >> Yeah, I have a meat tray. A meat tray. Um, uh, when I was drinking it was, uh, we would definitely have like some whiskey on there and, uh, maybe like a bottle of wine, but I don't really don't drink anymore. Not that I Yeah, this is like I wasn't an alcoholic, so it's not like I can't drink. Like I had a glass of wine with dinner the other night, but it's not I don't drink anymore. Like I don't like we would I would go to my
comedy club with my friends or we go on the road. I'd have a couple of glasses of this and a couple glasses of that and a margarita at dinner and then the next day I'd feel like [ __ ] >> And it wasn't ever like I couldn't stop. It was just I did. And then one day I was like, I think I'm just going to stop for a while and see how I feel. And I felt so much better. So much better because I was drinking like two or three nights a week, sometimes four. Go out to date on a date with my wife, I have a couple of drinks. I'd go to the comedy club, have a couple of drinks. Maybe I'd have a drink or two with someone in the studio. >> Yeah. It just I mean I feel like that's show I mean it's just part of it. Like it's part of our culture and like >> we have to bring the party too. That's the other thing. It's like >> how am I supposed to bring the party if I'm not partying with you, >> right? >> You know that's a problem. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a problem. >> Especially in like the honky tonk days. Like I came up in like beer joints. I'm talking about like dive bars. You know what I mean? you just start getting in it with people and then then you're on your day off, you're like, "Oh, we're going to have a nice date and have a drink." You know what I mean? It just it kind of spirals. >> I know. >> But we I love it. >> I love it. >> I love red wine. Like it's my favorite thing. >> Yeah. I don't hate drinking. I just hate how I feel the next day. But like I'm not, you know, not saying I'll never do it again. But for now, I'm not doing it anymore. But I'll still have a drink or two. Not even two. [laughter] Not even two. a drink. Like I didn't even have a full glass of wine the other night. I had like a half a glass of wine. I'm like we're good. >> But like if somebody has a bottle of Buffalo Trace and we're sitting around talking [ __ ] I want to have a couple of drinks. I might. >> You're just giving yourself permission to be wherever you are. >> I'm just trying to be healthier is what it is. And I recognize that like if I do
all these healthy things for my body, I work out all the time, I eat so well, I take all these vitamins, like why am I letting myself get poisoned four nights a week? That seems stupid. Especially with my lifestyle. It's like it's better like even if I just limit it to one night a week is better, >> but really it's better than just not >> Yeah. >> The the reality is it's not good for you. >> Well, I know. But it's fun. >> It is fun. [laughter] It is fun. Getting a catching a buzz is fun. Some of my favorite podcasts we've ever done, like when we do protect our parks, we get hammered. >> Yeah. >> They're fun. >> Yeah. I bet. >> Yeah. I mean, is there a People aren't doing it because they're stupid, >> right? >> There's a reason why they enjoy being drunk. Yeah. and have for thousands >> thousands of years. [laughter] >> Thousands of years. I mean, it's probably responsible for so many relationships starting in the first place. So many people meeting people, so many fun friendships. >> A lot of the memories, too. It's like on the road after the shows, like it's when everybody's just really being themselves. Like, >> it's also a culturally acceptable drug that most people know how to consume. I mean, they might do it wrong or they might get too drunk or DUI or be an [ __ ] or it's possible, but it's enough of a normal thing that a a good percentage of people know when they've had enough, right? >> And they know the right dose. You know, you have a couple drinks, you're like, I'm good. Yeah. >> You know, you know where you're at. Whereas >> any other drug that you're trying today is illegal. >> Yeah. >> And any other drug, it's like, who knows what's going to happen, >> right? Yeah. And if you want to go next door, like really next door, next door. >> I'm going down the street. >> Yeah, you [laughter] can go down the street with whiskey >> with a margarita.
>> Whiskey and go to another town. >> It's martinis. Like everybody knows like do not drink more than two martinis. Are you an insane person? Like you can't do that. Everyone should know it. Like I feel like that's what really >> Do you know Burke Chryser? >> That [ __ ] can put some martinis down. >> Really? Like >> I'm like two's good. Like that's straight up. >> Well, you're smart. >> Just straight up. I mean, and then have your glass of wine, whatever you want. Pass to when you see like, you know, somebody sitting at a bar by themselves at like three o'clock and they're >> and then you're like, "Dang, that's their third mark. There's the third martini. They're about to hit the deck." And they're fine. I'm like, "Something's going to happen later. Something's going to happen later." >> They probably do it all the time. That's the thing. >> That's the here's your sign. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's supposedly better for you, right? Isn't it? Like, do you drink Tito's like a vodka martini? is probably is is a gin martini the same. >> I don't know. I'm a Titos and Toppos gal. Titos and Toppo. >> They say that clear liquor is better for you, right? Don't they say that? >> I don't know. We've made excuses for every single thing we want to do today. [laughter] >> They say tequila is the best. >> Nicotine is great for us and is clear. It's awesome. >> It's supposedly better for you, isn't it? Is there a reason why clear liquor is like a real reason why clear liquor >> less additives in it? >> There you go. less additives. >> That's it. >> I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I mean, even tequila's got you got to find the good stuff, >> right? But if you find the good That's the other thing. I was reading this thing about how much tequila is fake. >> How much tequila is not really made with agave. >> That's a real That's a lot. >> A lot. Yeah, it's a lot. >> Hurts your ass. I mean, tequila will >> Yeah. >> It's not forgiving.
>> Yeah. >> If you abuse it. >> It's a certain kind of drunk, too. >> Don't ask me how I know. >> Tequila is like a shootout with the cops drunk. [laughter] >> Yeah. But that's like I shot my TV with my shotgun drunk. >> It's a high-speed chase drunk. >> Tequila just like ooh we were drunk on tequila. Yikes. [laughter] >> Like you know he just picture yourself doing something definitely incorrect. >> Yeah. It's a funny thing that I guess it makes sense though that music and and comedy for a in in a lot of ways is connected to drinking because drinking like lowers inhibitions and it makes you want to sing along and it makes you want to dance and >> maybe you don't feel like you got the confidence to dance but you get a couple shots. [ __ ] it, let's get on the dance floor. It's this it's like raise your you know it's just that's like the >> that's it's just a it's like a feeling and it's you're part of the party and you're part of the song and you're part of the show and >> or whatever like what I just think especially I think art I think music and comedy are the most as far as show business like you're you know that people just feel like that's something that they go there to do >> right well they're two things that you have to go see live you don't have to I mean you can just listen to music in your phone and all that stuff but the reality is it's way better if you're there live. >> Yeah. >> Like live. Going to see live music >> to me is like so inspirational because I don't have any skill at live music at all. I don't have any musical talent. I can't play any instruments. So it's just I don't ever think like, huh, I wonder why they did it that way. I see where they're going. I could just be entertained. >> That's great. And it's I think music is a drug in and of itself because it it does something to your a great song does something very powerful to you. Yeah. Like it'll make you feel powerful emotions or powerful inspiration. It's like it does something that nothing else does >> in a weird weird way.
>> And it feels so good like when you have a song that somebody comes up and says that song changed my life. that song, >> you know, I have one called House of Built Me that's like the one people come up to me the most and like that's my story and it's I didn't write it. I'm like but that's when I heard it that's why I was like this is my story too and those are the >> and like as a songwriter when you write a song like that >> that's that's the ultimate like reminder of like this is why I do that like >> it made somebody feel something. It made somebody get through something. It made somebody want to punch somebody. Whatever the emotion is, as long as it brings out emotion, we've done our job, right? >> Think of how many people you've done that to. How nuts that is. Like, you've had so many hit songs. So, you've had so many songs that resonated with people where they all felt that feeling when that song came on like, "Oh, this is my song. This is my song. >> Turn it up." >> I have like the feisty a lot of the feisty. I mean, I'm I'm a little calmer now, but used to be quite the firecracker. just pe there's a reason I have revolvers tattooed on tomorrow but now I'm shooting them off [laughter] is like just a little like pistol personality I guess and so like my feisty songs I mean at every single show pretty much every single show there's a girl fight in the pit every single one yeah they just get riled up >> they get riled up I'm telling you they just get >> I mean >> I wonder if you have more girl fights than other female singers >> I don't know >> I bet you Do if every single show you have a >> almost every show. >> I bet that's real odd. Have you talked to other female singers? Do they have similar stories? >> I can ask how many girls your show though. >> Yeah, [laughter] you should ask. You should totally ask >> like cuz it's like towards this part where it's like I call it my ramp up. It's like gunpowder and lead, little red wagon, mama's broken heart and like they
just start getting wound up. >> Yeah. [clears throat] They think about their ex that [ __ ] >> or he's there and they're like it's just a lot. >> And he's there with a front row seat to it. I'll stop if it gets real bad. I just stop and go, "Hey y'all, we're tone tone her down a little bit." >> Really? Every show? >> Almost every show. >> That's really odd, Miranda. >> I know. >> I think that's odd. I think that that might be a very specific reaction that you have on people. >> Maybe I need I mean now and I'm pretty calm now. I'm like, "It's all right. We got some ballots coming up. Everybody take a sip. [laughter] Take a seat. Y'all settle down." >> I think it's great. They're feeling something. >> Yeah. You know, >> bringing out emotion. Yeah, that's my job. >> 100%. Yeah, I bet it's great at the gym, [snorts] those songs. Yeah, I think about that [ __ ] they punch at the concert, [ __ ] [laughter] Elliptical machine. >> I have a lot of those like, "Girl, you're my bitch." Like those kind of girls that are. And I love it. I love that. >> Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. You can't buy that. That's a weird feeling. >> It is. >> Yeah. You have to earn that feeling. >> You'll have to come to a show that's like one that I know for sure is going to be one of those. Like >> I would love to I would love to >> watch from the stage. >> I loved you at the Mccane event. It was amazing. >> That's such a cool event too. And >> it's such a good event >> and I love I love all those boys and Jack and I've been I mean Jack Ingram was one of my heroes from back in the day. Like he I started watching him when I was 15 and he had such charisma and that's why I'd be I want to do that, you know? >> Oh really? That's awesome. >> I've known him for a really long time. >> It's such a cool thing when you're going to an event like that and it's for a
great cause. So everybody's like super positive about why they're there. It's not just to have fun. It's also it does like such an amazing service for people. >> It does. And they do such a good job with that show. Put together so well. >> You know who blew me away at that show too is Lucas. >> Yeah, he's great. >> Whoa. >> I love him. He is great. >> Well, people are like, "Oh, it's Willie Nelson's son." I'm like, "Oh, okay. That'll be cool." And then he he started singing. I was like, "Holy shit." Like this guy's [ __ ] great. Great. >> He's not just good, he's great. >> Great musician. And he's a great guy. >> Sweetheart. >> He's a sweetheart. >> Super sweetheart. Yeah. >> Yeah. I've uh got the had the pleasure of getting to know him now. He's really nice guy. A genuine nice guy. >> But god, can he say he can >> like that's >> Especially when he does that soul when he really go leans into the soul more soul stuff. >> It just makes him shine like cuz it's just so different than what people would think it was going to be, >> right? You know. >> Right. And his pipes. >> Yeah. Woo. I mean, the notes he hits, I was like, >> and when he goes for it, he like sings with his body, like his whole body, like you know, he's going for it. And I love it. >> Yeah. >> And he does this like I don't know, it's going to hurt later in life, but he does this like back bend thing. [laughter] >> Like he's on his knees and he's like bent all the way back playing a guitar solo. And I'm like, God, how does he do that? Is that adrenaline or what is that >> stretching? >> Yeah, >> it's just stretching. >> Yeah, I could probably do that like a decade ago. Not now. >> I bet you could. [laughter] >> I'm not going to try. Well, >> well, not on stage. >> Well, you must have core strength to be on that horse when you're shooting at things stabilizing yourself. Pilates. >> Oh, I'm sure.
>> Like I I ride so much better when I'm doing like consistent Pilates. >> I did Pilates once with my wife. I was like, "Oh, there is a lot harder." It's like yoga in a way that like people think, "Oh, yoga, you're just going and stretching." Like, no, no, no. Like, go do it. It's [ __ ] hard. It's hard. And Pilates is hard. I was like, "Oh, this is weird. This is using weird muscles." >> Yeah. like shaky ones. [laughter] >> Like you're like, "Why am I shaking?" >> Yeah. Like stabilizing muscles. But it's like a really good thing to balance out other stuff, >> you know? But that would definitely improve your core strength and allow you to be able to >> When I first started riding, I was like, >> I'm still not great. And I still have fear, you know, on a horse. Like I'm just not super comfortable all the time, you know, when we're going fast. So I'm just learning to work up to that. But when I first started riding, I didn't start riding a horse ever till I was 30 years old. And I wish I'd started at four when I was fearless. You know what I mean? Like >> but starting at 30, I'm like getting on this giant animal and you don't know what you're doing. And my trainer at the time was like, "You need to do Pilates." And so I started Pilates and it really helped me like it helped helped me like stabilize myself a little more. >> That's interesting. Your trainer told you to do Pilates to help horse riding. >> She was my she was training my horses and teaching me how to ride. She was like, "You do not have core strength at all. You need to go do Pilates." That's interesting that you would choose that, >> huh? I guess that makes sense. But I would think that there's other stuff you could do, too. Like those You ever see a what a Bosu ball is? You know what those things are? Like standing on that ball with a flat bottom to it where you like balance? >> Yes. And they have this uh it's like this saddle you sit on and it's for that like and it it's like really it's almost like one of those balls, but it's a saddle you sit on like if you were sitting on a yoga ball, but it's a saddle. And it like like my shooting coach Kinda, my friend Kenda, she'll tell me, "Get your gun belt on and get your guns out and sit on your
>> Is that the yoga ball? The big one? >> The big workout ball?" >> Sit on that and shoot off that. >> That makes sense. >> Like when you're doing your drills, whatever. Stabilize. >> It's all just about stabilizing. >> You know, a lot I know a lot of people that sit at their desk on one of those. >> Yeah. Which is smart. >> Just I guess >> I'm glad I don't have to sit at a desk. I don't think I'd do well. Well, I have to sit at this desk, but these chairs, they keep you upright. These are really good. Yeah, they're comfy. >> They're good. They're They make you sit correctly or at least encourage you to sit correctly rather than a >> But when you started doing that when you were 30, how long did it take before you started shooting guns off of >> I just started that last year. >> Oh, okay. >> I mean, I just started last year. I started I showed Gypsy Vanners. They're like draft lazy draft horses kind of. Um, I got into those cuz I was 30 and like I can't afford to get hurt. Like I'm on the road all the time. So I wanted something safe to learn on. >> Have you fallen before? >> Oh yeah, I've fallen off 100 times. >> Really? >> Yeah. I mean I I tried to do hunter jumper. I thought I wanted to be I was like all excited. I'm like I'm going to be a cowgirl at 30 years old. I'm like I'm gonna finally be a cowgirl. I want to barrel race. Well then I learned that that's I don't want to barrel race >> which kind of the guns it's patterns and it's going fast around. You [clears throat] have to go around a barrel. So, kind of back to that, but this old cowboy trainer where I got my first horse, he was like, "You need to go take English lessons cuz you need your fundamentals because you can't you're not just going to get in a western saddle and act like you know what you're doing. Go take lessons cuz English is so proper." >> What is English lesson? >> English and like you it's like the hunter jumpers like the and dr. It's like very proper. >> You know, English writing is teaches you the fundamentals. Look, I'm sitting up straighter talking about it. M
[laughter] >> um to where western is a lot more loose and so it taught me a lot taking English lessons but I thought I'd do hunter jumper which is like you know jumping over the poles >> right >> and that's where I really hit the ground a few times like I wasn't ready for that you know what I mean so >> just it's been a cool journey it's just I mean it's a lot to learn >> it's a lot to learn I'm imagining it's also like rough on the body too >> yeah it is why I'm like give me or safe is my cool my horse he is super safe I just I don't I want to learn really badly and I want to grow and be better but I don't want to do it at a certain cost like >> do you enter competitions or anything >> I showed my vanners for 10 years and >> what does that mean >> I just went to horse shows and like [laughter] >> you said some words I don't understand I showed my vanners >> my vanners that sounds dirty when you say it back like that what's a vanner no it's my gypsy vanners are the kind of horses I have. >> So I went and showed them in um competitions like >> just English pleasure, western pleasure, like just riding around the rail and it's about your technique and >> Oh, okay. >> It's not like jumping or >> so when it's just about being in control of the horse. >> Yep. It's your technique making the horse listen to you. >> Yeah. >> And then and then I got into the shooting and I'm not going back. >> Are you going to do competitions with the shooting? I did one last year just just to like get my first one out of the way. >> And it was fun. It was a lot of I mean it's scary. It's scary scary as [ __ ] honestly, but like all these girls I ride with are so good. Like they go 100 miles an hour. Like I I got to show you Kinda. Like she is she is >> Is there a video of her? >> Yeah, she's amazing. >> What's her last name? >> Lsane. It's L E S I E N G. Google it.
[laughter] I'm spelling her right. >> Gmail will find it. >> She's amazing. And they go so fast and like it's a timed I mean it's a timed event, right? So you're competing just against you >> really like how how precise and how fast you can go on your horse. >> So you have like a green light and then you go like >> green light you go. >> Do they How do they start you off? Do they >> you do >> what do they say? >> They flag Oh, they drop a flag and then you go >> and then you go. >> Oh, >> I didn't go that fast. I did mine in like 28 seconds. She does it in like eight seconds. Like seven course. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> It's insane. She's amazing. But >> but that's what it's something to work towards. Like >> how many times has she wiped out? >> Oh, she's broke down as hell. [laughter] She's broke down. She has cowgirl broke down, but she's still going. She wiped out so bad last year and just gets right back on. Keeps going. Riding in a cast like it's cowgirl way. >> Riding in a cast. Tough tough. That's tough. They're tough. >> Yeah. People are built different. They are. >> You got any videos? >> I just found that one. >> Here we go. I want to see this. >> She's awesome. >> Cuz I saw that you you were doing that. I was like, that's bananas. But it looks like fun. >> It is fun. >> Do they have one of those where they do bow and arrow? >> They have bow and arrow. There she is. >> Oh, here she goes. >> They have bow and arrows. >> Woo! >> Rifles. The rifles are crazy. >> Imagine this lady running up to you on a on a ranch with a pistol in her hand. She is legit. >> That's crazy. >> She's one of my besties. >> Is there high speed where they're not showing it? Here it goes. Oh, wow.
That's crazy. Oh, man. [laughter] This is awesome. >> She is a literal never misses. >> Oh, now I get it. Okay, this looks like fun. >> There's 83 patterns, so the horse never runs the same. >> Wait a minute. Um, how was she shooting that many times? >> It's five shots and a gun change. So, >> Oh, you have to change your gun. >> You have to change your gun. Yeah. >> So, how many b how many shots is it total in one of these rounds where you run? >> 10. >> 10. So, okay. So, you have 10 things. >> This is like a highlight reel, but yeah, >> 10 shots. >> Yeah. So, that's my bestie who's teaching me how to do it. >> That's awesome. Well, that's how to learn. >> She's awesome. >> Learn from a psycho. She [laughter] looks completely insane. You got to have a serious screw screw loose to be good at that. Wow. Oh my god. Look at this dude. Oh, this is her. >> That's her and Charles. >> Wow. >> Oh yeah. How about you, Kenda? 12 and 07. >> I don't know what those numbers mean, but it looks awesome. >> It looks like fun. >> Yeah, it's really fun. >> And it's uh [snorts] I don't know. It's a very country thing to be involved in. >> Well, guess what? >> There you go. [laughter] >> Guess what, Joe? >> I mean, it's it's perfect. It's perfect. >> We talked about chickens. We talked about dogs. We talked about guns on horses. Like, >> archery, [laughter] hunting. >> Oh, fill in the blank. >> Titos and Cheetos. >> Exactly. That's a very But that's a very country activity because it's not just horse riding. It's horse riding with pistols. >> Yeah. I mean, come on. >> Yeah. >> I love it. I I it's it's funny that I didn't know that that was such a big thing. See if there's one where they do it off with bows and arrows. I want to see that.
>> It's crazy. I haven't seen that in person, but the rifles >> like >> Oh, rifles. They do too. >> They do it with rifles and you don't have rains >> cuz you got you use two hands to shoot the rifle. So like >> they're riding with their legs. >> Whoa. Right. >> Right. And the horses making wild turns. So you have to have crazy strength in your legs to keep >> that needs a lot of Pilates. >> Oh yeah. So you can find one where they're doing it at bows and arrows because I know that that's how the Mongols did it. That's how the Comanches did it. They learned how to shoot while they were they they learned how to time the release of their arrow while the horse was in the air. >> They had the least amount of disturbance. >> Something like that. >> What is this one? >> Epic equestrian mounted archery. But are they is this a competition? >> I mean I don't know that there's many of them. I don't know that there's >> Oh, yeah. So, they have targets. >> Yeah. But this looks like a [snorts] >> British horseback archery. >> See, that's a She's in a dr saddle doing that. >> Oh, yeah. Look at this. The guy's got the crazy Mongol hat on, too. That makes Look at that. >> That's cool. >> Just in case. >> Hobby. >> No, [laughter] I don't [ __ ] with horses. >> It's just >> I like them. I love them. I think they're awesome. I don't want to ride them. >> There you go. Thing for it. >> Oh, that's cool. >> Oh, that's like a pattern. >> Yeah. So, very similar similar kind of deal. >> Taran Tactical for horses. >> Yeah. [laughter] Exactly. Exactly. Taran [snorts] Tactical is a tactical range in California. We go and that's where Kiana Reeves learned how to shoot guns. I used to go there when I lived in California. You do like shooter ready. Yeah. And you go through a tactical course. That's
what they that's where we shoot out in Scottsdale is um it's bit called Ben Avery shooting facility and it's like all of that. It's any anything that can be shot is shot there. >> So and they so Kinda had them build a rodeo arena so we could >> do our balloons. >> That would be the coolest thing to have on your property. Have a tactical range >> right on your property. We could >> This place is huge and it's out there in the desert so like there's plenty of space to do all the things. Well, that's what I was thinking about that the shooting pistols on the horses like when did they figure out to not use bullets because like there had to be >> something happened. [laughter] Something happened and the horses wear earplugs, too, which is great. >> That's They probably had to figure that out later in life, too. >> Horses wear earplugs. >> But when did they figure out how many people got shot before they realized, hey, we probably shouldn't be using real bullets to shoot these balloons. Yeah, black powder might be a better call >> because you got all those people in the audience and then you got someone on a horse. >> It is. >> And she she catches hell for it. People are like, "You can't be." She's like, "It's spectator safe. It's safe for the horses. Everybody wears earplugs. It's black powder." >> Who gets mad? >> People. Everybody wants to [ __ ] about something, >> right? >> You know, >> but that's just how it's going. >> You would know more than anyone. [laughter] >> I don't need to tell you. >> You can't make everybody happy. It's impossible. Yeah. >> And you're always going to make someone mad. >> As long as you realize that, you'll be okay. >> And as long as you stay offline. >> Yeah. Stay [laughter] off that Tik Tok. >> Stay out of that river. That Tik Tok river. >> Yeah. A lot of people drown in that river. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, anything else you want to talk about? Should we wrap this up? >> Yeah. I mean, we talked about every country thing you talked about. >> We basically did. Listen, you're really fun to talk to. I really enjoy it. >> Thank you for having me on here. Pleas and I love your music and I love your personality. So, it was really cool to have you in here. >> Well, come see us on the road. >> I would love to. Are you ever in Austin? >> I'm playing San Antonio rodeo next year. >> When is that? What time? >> February. >> February. Oh, okay. So, like in a couple of months. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We'll try to make it down for that. Are you ever in Austin, though? >> I haven't played in Austin in a long time. >> Really? >> I don't know why. I'm here all the time and I don't know. I need to get that on the books. >> Okay. Well, I will come. I will definitely come. >> Well, thank you. >> Thank you. My pleasure. Um, if anybody wants to go find you out on the river, >> in the river, >> social media, the river, >> I'm on all your social media platforms all.com. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Bye everybody. [music]