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The jogan Experience um what has it been like uh you've you've owned X for a year now oh yeah do you do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and have a dream that you didn't do it and your life is infinitely easier well it's certainly um a recipe for trouble I suppose or contention um what was it ultimately that led you to make the decision to do it I mean this is going to sound uh somewhat melodramatic but I was worried about that that it was having a corrosive effect on civilization uh that it was uh just having a bad a bad impact um and um I think part of it is that it's where it's where it was located which is uh you know downtown San Francisco um and while I I think San Francisco is a beautiful city and and we should really fight hard to um kind of write the ship of San Francisco if you've walked around downtown San Francisco right near the xfk Twitter headquarters it's a zombie apocalypse I mean it's rough have you have you been been in that area not lately no I've heard it's crazy I've heard it's crazy I've heard you you really can't believe it until you actually go there you can't believe it until you go there so now you have to say well what philosophy led to that outcome and that philosophy was being piped to Earth so um you know a philosophy that would be ordinarily quite Niche and geographically constrained so that that sort of the Fallout uh area would be limited um was effectively given an information a weapon um a tech Information Technology weapon to propagate uh what is essentially a mind virus to the rest of both um and the outcome of that mind virus is very clear if you walk around the streets of downtown San Francisco it is the end of civilization and it's not just uh propagating the Mind virus but suppressing any opposing viewpoints yes well in order for the virus to propagate it must suppress opposing viewpoints so because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny correct yeah I mean you you I mean you've you you you you've felt the the virus yeah yeah people try to cancel you
so many times yeah it's fascinating yeah um I don't think you're melodramatic at all I I I think it's a it's a I mean I don't want to be melodramatic but it's almost like a death cult it's a death cult no no that is exactly right um it it's essentially the uh extinctionist like it's in the limit it is that they're propagating uh the extinction of humanity and civilization um and and there's some people who are are like most most the time it's it's implicit they don't but sometimes it's explicit like there was a guy on the front page of the New York Times uh who literally has the thing called the extinctionist movement um and he was quoted on the front page of New York Times as saying uh there are 8 billion people on the world but it would be better if there were none and I'm like well buddy you can start with yourself yeah um does he have friends that's what always fascinates me well here he is he looks like you not long for this Earth I mean he doesn't voluntary human extinction movement that's hilarious spend I'd like to party with that dude I would just like to like that's that's that's that's the death that's that's an explicit version of the death cult yeah maybe long and die out it's I mean it's it's not Extinction is a word he uses yes no I mean it's not a it's literally a self-description was in charge of social social media and still largely is at uh Google and Facebook by the way yeah so I'm like uh I'm not in favor of uh human extinction uh they are and uh they can go to hell well that guy is yeah he can go to hell that guy seems silly I I would like to hang out with him though I would like to find out what makes him tick I bet that guy is fascinating well you get him alone for a few days I'm in favor of I me I'm Pro environment but the the the in the limit uh if you go if if you take environmentalism to an extreme you start to view Humanity as a plague on the surface of the Earth like a like a mold or something right um and but it's this is actually false the Earth could could take probably 10 times the the current civilization the the population could be you could 10x the population without uh destroying the Rin
Forest so the the the the environmental movement and and I'm an environmentalist has gone too far they've gone way too far um you know if you if you start thinking that that humans are bad then the natural conclusion is humans uh should die out now I'm headed to an AI safety International sort of AI safety conference uh later tonight leaving in about three hours um and um I meet with the British prime minister a number of other people um so you have to say like how could ai go wrong well if if if AI gets programmed by the extinctionist it will it's utility function will be the extinction of humanity so I mean there are times when masks are warranted but most of the time it's it's actually counterproductive well that was one of the things about the old Twitter was the propaganda and yeah the adherence to whatever the CDC was saying and the dism missing of legitimate scientists guys like uh Jay bachara from Stanford and legit guys yes and they were suppressing them and even Banning them they banned Alex baronson I mean this is it was wild they banned Alex for essentially reading peer-reviewed papers yeah no I mean all Twitter was basically an arm of the government yeah so was that shocking like what was that like cuz that to me that was the most bizarre was the Twitter files when you let shellburg and Matt taibe and all those guys get in the Twitter and the response were Matt taiii gets audited I mean which is just wild I mean it's just so blatant and so in your face yeah it's weird no I mean the yeah the the degree to which and and by the way Jack didn't really know know this but the degree to which Twitter was simply um an arm of the government was not well understood by the public and and uh it it was there was no it was whatever the official government it was like prda basically um you know a state publication is the way to think of old Twitter it's a state publication and was the justification from their perspective that they are progressive liberals they have the right intentions it's important that they stay in power the progressive liberals stay in government and power because this is the this is their there there was there was uh basically oppression of of um any any views that would even I would
say be considered middle of the road um but certainly anything on the the right I'm not talking about like like far right I'm just talking mildly right the people like Republicans were suppressed at 10 times the rate of Democrats um now that's because uh old Twitter was fundamentally controlled by the farle it was like completely controlled by the the far-left and that's why I say like the like San Francisco Berkeley is a niche ideology it's hard to say like is there a place that's more far-left than San Francisco Berkeley maybe Portland maybe Portland but it's like it's a right there it's those two places are the the most far left places uh in America yes um so from their standpoint everything is to the right including moderates right right so now if if if you internalize a left position uh everything seems wrong to you that if that is not far left right and so they naturally oppressed any anything that didn't agree with their views that's why I say that it was an accidental far-left information weapon so uh it because it's like Silicon Valley attracts the smartest Engineers the smartest sort of technologists and programmers from around the world um they created an information weapon that was then harnessed by the farle who could not themselves create the weapon but happened to be collocated where the technologists were and happened to be aligned politically with the people that possessed it the technologists are generally are moderate maybe moderate left but they're they're not they're they're not farle that's why I say San Francisco Bley it's it's it doesn't even extend to South San Francisco or even to paloalto so so SF Berkeley is the most farle um perhaps you know in a competition with Portland but I'd say SF Bley is more farle even than Portland like literally in America it's we're talking about an area that's maybe a 10 mile radius and so the normally the the effects the negative effects of a far-left ideology that is would be geographically limited to a 10 mile radius that's like not it's small like the so so any any bad effects of that ideology would be geographically constrained under normal circumstances and have been in the past but when you
have uh basically a techn technological megaphone which which was Twitter and social media in general suddenly the the farle are handed a megaphone to Earth a an incredibly powerful technology weapon that they themselves could create but they happen to be collocated with the technologists who created it by accident is it shocking that more people don't understand how dangerous that is I think some people understand um some people do some people understand um so I mean from the standpoint of of some of people who used to be a Twitter uh the people like well it's a big shift to the right that is correct it is a shift to the right because every everything is to the right if you're far left everything is to the right but it's but how many farle people have actually been suspended or Bann from from Twitter now X zero so it's really just moved to the center but from the perspective of the far-left it is it's moved to the right like Everything's Relative the the the difference in moderation sorry I should say it's it propagated that Fallout philos be not just to America but to everywhere on earth right yeah yeah and with the same level suppression in other countries as well yes but the Taliban is on Twitter right like I always think of like hey Mr Taliban T your banana hey Mr Talib I mean there but there's definitely some people on Twitter that are daylight coming I want to go yeah um yeah so the point the point is um I that I from my standpoint uh that is that X FK Twitter um should uh represent the sort of collective consciousness of humanity so now that that means that there going to be views on there that you don't like um or disagree with um but that's Humanity so are you going to exclude them or or not now I mean if if somebody you know breaks the law then then the account is suspended I mean if they uh ad actively Advocate murder then the account is suspended we we do have what call like the kind of United Nations exclusion rule which is that you can have say the
iolla who you know uh would would prefer that Israel didn't exist for example um and um but he's allowed to go to the UN building in New York um and uh in fact generally officials from Iran uh do in fact go to the UN building in New York um even though they are heavily sanctioned country so so I think that there's there's Merit to having uh just like there's mer there's some Merit to the UN one can disagree with the UN and I think one we shouldn't have a world government that we bow down to but in fact that's risky for civilization but I think you do want to have the leaders of countries uh represented um on social media