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stuff no I did not use this product but I'm sure it's great do you do use the shroom Tech immune though uh I use the more the new mood that's what I've been grooving on is the new mood yeah uh I I did the immune when I I feel sick and right now I don't feel sick I just feel like I need to chill out and that's why I need the F the the new mood cuz that's more of like a you know like calm you down have some trip you know you like turkey dinner you know how make that that makes you tired when you're you're done eating it well well that kind of get that has trp ofin in it and it makes you kind of feel relaxed and it also makes you a little bit happier every day I think if you take take it every day I don't really take it I I take alpab brain I don't I don't take the other ones I take shroom Tech when I work out and to take Alpha Brain and I take the immune [ __ ] anyway what all the stuff is they're they're neut tropics and and this is my advice to you if you don't know what we're talking about don't buy anything please just Google neut Tropics there's a lot of really interesting articles about the subject and uh it's controversial but I've been I've been experimenting with them for years and I enjoy them and not just the ones that we sell I've used um there was a a football player I think his name is Roman Ali pretty sure and he has a company called neuro1 and uh apparently he had done dealt with some concussions and stuff so he created his own formula uh like a neut Tropic formula to enhance the way his mind worked and uh it was really interesting and uh I I enjoyed that stuff I and I have no vested interest in whether you buy it or don't buy it I if you feel like you don't want to buy it or you feel like it's too expensive I encourage people to steal the ingredients copy it and make your own like buy buy the stuff in bulk and make your own yeah and I and the other thing is if you try and you don't like it it's you get 100% money back so we can't make it any easier we can't make it any nicer what's most important to me is that nobody feels ripped off that nobody wants to buy they want to buy don't [ __ ] blind me buy it go do don't go to Wikipedia it's blacked out but [ __ ] go to Yahoo go to Bing go to the other one search engines that are not supporting the soap or against the soapa
movement the soapa movement scary as [ __ ] right yeah let's talk about that Hamilton Morris is here listen go to on it.com o n nit T enter in the code name Rogan get 10% off that's it [ __ ] all right here we go a man is here that I've been wanting to talk to for a long timean experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Hamilton Morris comes here with a video camera when the podcast in its most cluttered State possible this room is a wreck I look like I should be on Hoarders in this [ __ ] room I got to clean this [ __ ] out this is ridiculous too much Traveling Man Too Much traveling yes you know you know how it is Hamilton Morris hello what's up buddy thanks for uh thanks for coming on thanks for having me uh I uh enjoyed a lot of your stuff that I saw online man especially uh that for for those who don't know you write for uh for vice right for vice.com that's right Vice magazine for vice magazine I think the first thing I ever saw you do you were tripping somewhere in the jungle I don't really remember what it was but you uh you had taken some trip to hang out with some indigenous people and they what did they give you it was the myuna Indians and they gave me a well they actually didn't give it to me it was sort of a complicated trip to find them but they traditionally use the Venom of this frog called Fila Medusa by color that produces a Venom that's rich in all these different psychoactive peptides and specifically contains this substance called dermorphin that's a super potent opioid but they kind of yeah but it doesn't have any sort of like a classical opioid effect like it's not really a sedative and people claim that it gives them Everlasting energy they're able to hunt for days without sleep and to go days without eating and all sorts of Supernatural Feats H wow you have a great voice by the way can we just say that you have a very mysterious voice and it's very interesting you should read cool [ __ ] yeah if you know cool [ __ ] and you have a voice like that dude amazing all right yeah please sorry so what is the effect this um this this well that's what i' had been told psychoactive that would you have been that would go days without requiring sleep and I'd be able to hunt all night
for animals in the jungle with these Indians Jesus and uh so I was expecting more of a stimulant type effect but then this chemical dermorphin there's no real reason you should expect it to be a stimulant it's an opioid there used to be a theory of autism that was based on them detecting dermorphin in the urine of autistic children so they thought that there was some kind of bacterial organism in the intestine of these children that was naturally producing the dermorphin and so they thought autism was this kind of opioid mediated pathology like wow yeah in the same way that you're talking about endogenous DMT and how that can cause a psychedelic experience without ingesting a drug this was the idea was that there's an endogenous intestinal opioid bacteria that produces dermorphin but it's never been demonstrated anyway so I thought so it's never been demonstrated so how did they come to this conclusion is there that sounds so fascinating yeah it's amazing yeah I never heard that theory before well there's all kinds of psychoactive substances that have been detected in the urine of people with different sorts of mental illnesses you know there five me te detected in the urine of schizophrenics and W yeah dude that totally makes sense yeah wow yeah yeah I mean it's well it totally makes sense if you think about it because we we all have bodies like people's bodies go Haywire you know things things go wrong I have Vitiligo I have spots on my uh my hand where my pigment doesn't grow anymore so it's like weird [ __ ] happens to bodies weird weird [ __ ] easily could happen to your body's your brain's ability to pred psychedelic chemicals could you imagine if every day was just tripping all day long like you couldn't get out of tripping if licking frogs you're licking this guy and paying him $20 just to get off what never mind I don't know what you're talking about if your body was producing a drug like a frog oh and I didn't mean that way you know I don't think it's that way Brian his body's not producing a drug he's ingesting his body's producing a drug inter eternally you silly boy I know but what if he secreted it out of who the [ __ ] is is secreting the guy you know no if you were producing the drug inside your body you secting it if you're
urinating it yeah if you're urinating secretion a frog how do they get it from they do they actually get 5 Meo from frogs can they do that absolutely yeah yeah right they that's real and some toads right yeah variant yeah and how do you do that um there's different techniques for doing it I used to know a guy that raised bual I and he lives in Boston and his Tech why am I not shocked they have glands that you that just squirt it out pretty much collect it yeah at least four two on the neck and two on the legs and he would grab it by the Scruff of its neck and then take a cat and show it the cat and it's terrified of cats and then that causes it to secrete the Venom and then he would pinch all of the glands onto a glass sheet and dry it wow that's [ __ ] wild I tell you the Secret's cat Joe in life everything seems cats we've been talking about feral cats these cats making drugs yeah that's incredible yeah so you just scrape it up and smoke it yeah but it's not just 5mo DMT there's also apparently some quantity of buffo tanine and also a bunch of other things that's why it's not really safe to eat it damn the things people will risk to get high no no it's actually worth checking out really yes I actually used to shop for I told before in the podcast that I was doing a lot of research and buying them in mass quantities when I lived in Ohio I think yeah yeah I mean maybe invest in a few frogs and and uh cultivate a relationship with them I mean is it illegal it may be illegal 5o DMT was recently scheduled so yeah it uh it used to be you could get 5 Meo DMT like on the internet right absolutely yeah that's incredible they just didn't know um I don't think it really poses that much of a risk in terms of I doubt there's very many 5mt hospitalizations compared to even things like LSD it's just such a rare thing and it lasts for such a short period of time you could just make it like a frog kissing booth to get around the law you know just say like don't say like this is too lick or to get the drug off of but you know if you want this drug and you want kiss it I'm going to bring you to a doctor I'm going to bring you to a doctor I'm going to bring you to a doctor and he's going to he's going to find what the [ __ ] is wrong with you kid too many hits
you went too deep in the rabbit hole way too deep well well you know what when when a guest like Hamilton Morris is here I I could see where you uh you get a little carried away yeah he just wanted to you wanted to you wanted to perform on his level right no I I just playing I was playing around too much you're you're not even a professional Stoner but you're like a a professional uh psychoactive expert you're like one of those dudes who you could say hey man what is it about that lotus flower you can go oh well the lotus flower and you'll explain it perfectly yeah how do you know so much about all this stuff uh well I've studied it in school for years I started out studying neuroscience and uh where'd you go to school the University of Chicago was this something that was just always pulling at you like how the mind works and various chemicals like um yeah not necessarily with the drug connection but I was always interested in science and Neuroscience and and then once you understand that area of it it becomes even more interesting and then also Medicinal Chemistry pharmacology it's all interrelated and now how did you start putting together these videos online um well I left Chicago and moved to New York and a friend of a friend worked at Vice magazine and told the editor that I had been I was interested both academically and in terms of writing about all these psychedelic drugs and they wanted to do more formed drug related content for the magazine so um so they asked me to start writing a monthly column but this is you know Vice used to have a totally different attitude towards drugs in terms of uh you know they'd give someone like an ounce of mushrooms and put them in a hotel room and just record everything they did while it was happening they weren't really interested in the science of it not that that's a bad thing so they used to have that at to is that yeah they used to have that attitude and now they're more open-minded to discussing the scientific aspects so do you think the scientific aspects for the longest time where was it like I think it was like maybe Hunter S Thompson that maybe [ __ ] a lot of
people up cuz his thing was just sort of take them blast off and enjoy the ride of it yeah you know and that you were kind of a fool to try to quantify it and package it all together you know sure yeah do you think that that kind of like set that kind of mindset sometimes I mean that's a fun mindset when you talk about like you know eating some mushrooms going to a football game I mean there some people who like look down upon that oh yeah but there's other people that you know that that actually enjoy doing something like that it's not the spiritual thing it's not the uh the the full-blown psychedelic connection that you can make yeah I certainly but it's fun too right look down on that no I think any way that anyone chooses to do it is perfectly fine as long as they benefit from it it don't hurt hurt don't like stab people in the process or kill a dog or something if it was legal it would be great because then you would know like what everything was that would be the best way to deal with it you the the idea that you're just buying stuff from people you don't know it's so hard to cultivate a friendship you know where you're trusting someone to sell you something they're not supposed to be selling you you get you get into a tricky situation both parties of the time especially with something like LSD where who knows where it actually comes from with something like mushrooms and maybe your one degree of separation away from the source that's producing the material but with LSD it could be 20 degrees of separation you don't even know what it is you got to be bold as [ __ ] to eat mushrooms in the wild because cuz just just you're sure you're sure that's what it is I mean there's a few aren't there a few psychedelic mushrooms that look like really similar to things that are like super poisonous yeah there are definitely gallerina marginada a bunch of the gallerina genus mushrooms look a lot like the sloes and uh are massively poisonous oh dude could you imagine how many people have died from that I don't know that's terrifying right yeah come on camera guy you're in this room dude you can't just observe bro it's just too weird have a seat man have a seat sit
down with us we got to include your camera guy otherwise this doesn't feel organic I feel stared at yeah this is Matt everybody Matt the camera guy he's here as well because um Hamilton is doing something on uh isolation tanks and we're going to check out the float lab tomorrow in Venice where uh crash my friend Craig AKA crash is uh the Mad genius putting together the baddest float tanks in the world we're going to go check out his stuff and his crazy cellular influence device when did you uh first learn about the flation tanks is this something that you knew for a while or did uh yeah I mean I mean what get what what gave you the idea to to to make do this project I mean I've always found them interesting I think they're pretty fascinating for anyone that's studied the history of psychedelic drugs just because John Lily used them in such interesting ways and also at the very beginning of psychedelic research there were always these attempts to try and isolate the experience from the environment in some way when they were trying to quantify or qualify the different effects of new drugs in the' 60s and uh and because it's a class it's so much based on the environment uh they wanted to try and figure out a way to remove subjects from the environment and test them in some kind of an unbiased setting and uh in the two ways they had were sensory deprivation tanks and these goneld devices you know yeah so um you we were talking about it earlier You' you've only had one sensy and it was quite a while ago it sucks that it's not more readily available you know I think uh if you could just get into it for a little bit you know if you get into like a regular thing like even just once a week it's great man if you could find a place that has it I bet it's like a massage I bet like I I just recently got my first massage and I always kind of went shun it shunned it off just because it seemed weird to me and I find got my first one now I I get it you know just nice relaxation you know it's not that expensive it's really good for you too I think I think it's really good to have someone be affectionate to you even if it's just you know even if it's h just you know someone rubbing you with their
fingers like that's really really intimate you know we're pretending that it's not sexual cuz it's not touching your your groin right but when some Big Fat Sweaty woman who really knows how to rub a neck when she's getting in there with lotion and everything that lady's [ __ ] you know what I mean she's giving you affection they're giving you affection they're rubbing your legs when someone's rubbing your feet yeah they might as well be blowing you their heel into we're just little children we're little children to leave the genitals out of the picture because that's what that person is doing they're being affectionate to you you're paying them to be ultimately affectionate to you because yeah it works the muscles and yeah it increases you know uh blood flow and yeah it breaks up Scar Tissue it's great therapeutically but it's also great because it's affection what if they had like finished it off with like like rocking you in a chair where they held you for like 20 minutes at the end and you were they were just like playing with your hair at the very end like a baby or so yeah that's how should add little bonuses like that you know that's what you're into extra $10 they'll do that yeah they should do it do do the whole thing I remember uh there was a a place I used to go to and they uh they arrested one of the dudes there because he was uh he was giving dudes massages and [ __ ] oh he was like blowing a lot of the gay guys that came in here and and so they caught him and I'm like look he's just trying to make his customers is happy yeah you know that's what his customer wanted exactly I mean that is what the guy wanted and he wanted to do it too who got hurt there yeah they should have that for world as long as it's like really clear that that's what you want you know cuz if you're like a straight guy and all of a sudden he's blowing you and you're like dude wrong signal yeah but if you're a gay guy who gives a [ __ ] really we trying to stop that why are we trying to stop that Hamilton Morris in 2012 why Matt the cameraman Matt the cameraman you can talk brother you're allowed to talk so it's crazy seeing the internet all blacked out today like say Google and Reddit and and uh this Hamilton yeah I noticed it what
did you think about the soapa thing I haven't read enough about it I mean I think it's horrifying if it is what I think it is but I'd like to do a little more research you couldn't even read about it Wikipedia was blacked out it's it represents a trend it represents an attempt and whatever it is it's trying to control or having the ability to control the internet but the reality is they can do that now if the government wanted to step in like if you were you had some crazy Al-Qaeda Pro Al-Qaeda website up they can shut you down trust me it's not going to do anything but create an underground tunnel that we're all going to use and it's going to be really you're just you can't lose you're going to lose against the internet if you tried to do this anyway if you tried to start Banning websites if you tried to like start monitoring people the internet will find a hack for it just like they do every single iPhone a day before it's released you know maybe maybe I don't know I mean who is they you know who's then who's ultimately going to be in control of it you know what what you know is it is it really is that what's going on I don't think there's a they I think what's what's happening is people are realizing as more people get more access to information that they're not buying the [ __ ] anymore and the only way to stop that is you're going to have to limit their access to information you're going to have to be able to control them you're going to have to be able to somehow or another box them up you're going to have to be able somehow the trend is giving information freely through these [ __ ] cell phones and wireless internet connections and they're coordinating meetings and people are setting things up and they can't stop it they can't control it and that's driving them crazy but they can also work through the system like when you think about how many Wikipedia entries are written by the pharmaceutical companies that are you know how much Wikipedia material is actually advertising in one way or another I mean of course if anyone can edit it who wouldn't take it ince yeah I would imagine yeah I mean it's not all good it's not it's not it's not perfect but it's the best way the best way is let the internet sorted out
the best way is not the government controls the internet that's the worst way that's the worst way possible a bunch of people are willing to go to war they get to control the internet [ __ ] you no you don't that's crazy you [ __ ] resource Hogs you can't control the internet too Jesus Christ you know you steal minerals in a Africa and stealing oil in the Middle East and trying to Jack the Internet it's the same [ __ ] God damn it Brian I blacked out my website today did you yeah really yeah I don't know how to do that yeah I did it really poorly and quick I just changed the logo and made all the text great dark gray do you feel like you're a part of the movement now yeah I feel I think I've a little left out I feel left out well NBC would probably be pissed off at you if you did that probably if I blacked out my yeah cuz I mean the people backing soapa is all the big media Giants you know all the Darlings that want to Google's not backing Wikipedia is not back no I mean entertainment Studios mean like Disney NBC well yeah I guess they would be the ones who could benefit from a Crackdown you got to think about how much money has been lost now here's my question a lot of people have gotten things that they didn't deserve cuz they kind of downloaded them illegally maybe but how much money was lost was there really any money lost I wonder I wonder if like I wonder if it didn't exist would those people have gone out and bought it is that what you're saying or would you say maybe they just downloaded it for on a whim and maybe if they like it they might tell somebody else and maybe somebody else might buy it like it's possible that it's not causing any loss you know I mean I I don't know it's definitely a loss I mean if you look at go to a movie theater nowadays it's not like it used to be you think people are downloading [ __ ] you think that's what's going on for real hey I'm I I hate to admit it I used to do it I used to you know I downloaded every single movie allegedly that came out that that weekend allegedly I mean I might be playing a character I'm glad you're playing character your character is an idiot I'm just acting like a typical guy on the internet you know okay yeah I hear what you're saying um I don't think
it's I don't but now I don't do that [ __ ] I don't think it's that I think if if the the movie theaters are empty it's because of the economy a and because of um the movies suck b a lot of movies suck yeah it's hard to find good movies and that's the problem like it's it's weird going to the movies nowadays and taking a girl on the date and spending $80 you know it's like wait a second what happened to like $6 movie tickets instead of $20 movie tickets called inflation [ __ ] I know but that's one of the reasons there's a movie theater that's in Pasadena by the ice house that that we walked by and yeah the movies were like one or two weeks old they weren't first week movies they weren't old yet and they were like I think $3 tickets yeah yeah that place is cool what's the name of that place I can't remember it's off of Colorado that's I love when you find a place like that that does something cool like that plays like just slightly old movies really cheap super cheap that's how it should be I can wait yeah I can wait I'll wait I'll support your cool business and it's kind of a retro movie theater it's not new at all like it's old school what you remember in the 80s when ET came out and you're like o coolest Movie experience ever man we were playing at the H Houston laugh stop and uh what was that stupid movie that they made about uh some kids in the woods and it was like looking for a witch BL Blair Witch Blair Witch Project right isn't that it yeah is that it it was like a fake documentary sty yeah we me and Chris Maguire watched that these guys came down to the show and then afterwards um one of them worked at a movie theater and he said you guys want to go see the Blair Witch Project like right now just us I was like oh [ __ ] so it was me and him and my buddy Chris and like a couple of his friends and we just alone in the theater he turned the thing on like he literally had the keys and we watched The Blair Witch Project alone wow that was [ __ ] awesome like the only way to watch that thing was it was the perfect way to watch that movie and I tried to watch it again and it was [ __ ] terrible second time was terrible I I tried to like I don't know recreate the moment did you hear McDonald's has to now put up signs saying that their french fries cause cancer that they're
whoa yeah uh it's in it's something that's in french fries potato chips coffee cigarettes uh the chemical is produced through the Browning process you know like when they you know put the fries in the fryer uh it causes cancer like that Browning the Browning process of I guess the oils that are in it or whatever and uh so they have to put up signs uh and I guess there's ways around it like they don't have to use do it the Browning process or they could do the baking process you know but that of course would take long the thing with fries it probably you know makes it super quick it's interesting that it's the Browning process and it kind of makes sense because you know they say that uh if you eat meat and you eat it like like well done like the carbon the outside it's like really not good it's like that that that the black [ __ ] that people love the crispy outside right that's like really bad for you yeah that's the worst part right I think it is yeah how [ __ ] weird are people man but they're they're so delicious that's the most taste best tasting cancer ever would you say that's the best tasting cancer oh by the way yeah a lot of people got mad at us because of this last podcast I had a [ __ ] bunch of annoyed people with me on Twitter why uh I don't know man there's a couple people that were annoyed that were vegans and one guy might have overreacted to because I just get tired of people with their hashtag I'm vegan like they say something and then they go I'm vegan he was uh saying because we were talking about um uh animals getting killed in processing plants and it does happen you know groundhogs all kinds of animals die you know it's not it's not when you you buy plants from a store I mean unless you're grow you got your own organic setup and you're doing it all yourself chances are in the harvesting of the plants some animals are going to die unfortunately maybe even more what's that maybe even more maybe even I don't know if it's more it's different it's like mice the the the you know the area is going to be devastated unless you have like some like really good setup or it's like you know great composting I mean unless you're doing it all yourself for your own food I mean if you're doing it all yourself
for your own food that's one thing but if you're buying some [ __ ] from Whole Foods or from wherever it's coming from a farm somewhere even if it's organically grown you don't think some animals are getting jacked oh yeah I it there's an article about how in Australia at least it's a a greater total loss of life but it's a different type of life if you're a vegetarian than if you're a omnivore because uh because of all the mice that are killed in the process of harvesting grains but I don't know it dep on it totally makes sense but gu on the gradiation of life I don't I don't think are ridiculous we need this is well they're not ridiculous they're sensitive people and I can understand appr excuse me I can understand that and appreciate it but it's um it's just it gets annoying that I'm vegan I'm you know like it's like it's a self there's a self-righteous air to it and there's a weird thing that it's okay to live to eat some living things it's okay to kill trees it's okay to kill plants it's okay to kill fruit fruit and vegetable it's okay to kill that you could kill you could chop that [ __ ] lettuce right out of the ground and it's dead and then you you eat it that's okay but it's not okay to kill an animal like what when do you when do you draw a line is there any distinction what if the animal was just meat it was just meat with a heartbeat and it couldn't think and it just sat there if it didn't if you didn't eat it somebody else would is that okay like at what at what point is it okay to eat an animal another life form is it only stuff that can't move who are these so sensitive people is what you should be asking forget like even responding to that because that who cares what other people eat and what their views on eating me are I think no I think there's a certain cruelty associated with factory farming and I I agree it's gross it's horrific you know I try to avoid uh I try to avoid cheeseburgers except In-N-Out in-n-out's pretty [ __ ] spectacular Five Guys Burgers I hope those cows were treated well if I had known they were treated well I feel much better about it but you know the reality of you you buy a Kentucky Fried Chicken or you buy any sort of you know meat product from any fast food anything you're buying
something that did not live a happy life right you know it's going to be the cheapest meat they can possibly get you right I mean isn't it I don't know right half of it's fiberglass right like look at Taco Bell's meat I don't think you know I don't think vegans are silly I just I don't agree with it I don't agree with it and I don't think we should be I don't think we should be treating animals the way we treat people I think we should be kind to everything we can be kind to I definitely think factory farming is [ __ ] but I think regular farming is pretty goddamn natural I mean it's what people have been doing forever yeah as long as you're not abusing the animals it's it's what people have been doing for forever and those animals I mean who's to say that you're not supposed to take out cows that's silly to me someone's going to take him out is it a Jaguar if a Jaguar doesn't take him out can people take the cow out we can't you're talking about extremeness though most people don't believe that even even most like normal anti- cruelty animal you know companies or whatever they're called Charities uh uh even them uh they still believe in you know Humane killing of animals but the the what you're talking about is people that are just like nothing no you can't well there's definitely grades right yeah yeah and that's only a small amount of the people like you're talking about like the three tw Twitter followers or whatever that are but it's you know it's a significant chunk of the population I think there's a lot of people that are like really obset at any idea of any cruelty whatsoever to animals and you know what man it's cuz they love their animals I totally get that right I they love their animals and I and I totally get loving Wildlife but you know the idea that they're going to live forever if you don't eat them like what the [ __ ] happening here no don't eat animals ever okay who's going to eat them then block them the [ __ ] going to happen people you going you going to go around ging them you going to make sure these elk don't [ __ ] cuz otherwise they're going to be everywhere you ever go to there's a a town in Colorado called Evergreen beautiful beautiful place it's amazing it's up in the mountains and it's um you you uh there's a certain part of town
where you can't go anywhere uh at uh uh During certain migration because the Elks will just walk down the main street it's [ __ ] aming amazing there's like a hundred elk there's a photo of them and there's like a herd of them and they're walking down the middle of the street it's like wow what a crazy place where you live man yeah a herd of elk just walk you know if if it wasn't for people shooting those elk the herd would be 200 the next year it'd be 300 there's not enough Predators like unless you want more mountain lons unless you want to start bringing Mountain lines into your daily equation you got to do something to get rid of those elk like they have to shoot those [ __ ] things if we want to live there you're going to have to shoot them deer are [ __ ] terrifying if you've ever been in a place where where deer are like super plentiful and you can't drive safe yeah Ohio it it's ridiculous there's deer flying all over the place and there's you wake up normally I would wake up at my at my dad's house when I lived at my dad's house and see a deer like like every week I would see a couple in my backyard yeah and if you're driving home at night that's what it's scary main streets are right next to my dad's neighborhood so I mean obviously the that's dangerous yeah somebody's got to eat them you got to eat more of those yeah I've never actually had deer I've never had any of that craziness you've never no Hamilton are you a vegetarian or anything I am yeah are you how long you been a vegetarian since 2009 but I eat meat occasionally yeah is it a um Health Choice or is it a um I think it just generally encourages me to be more conscious of what I'm eating because otherwise I'm more inclined to eat just gross fast food and things like that right um and I think my diet's improved enormously since I became a vegetarian Yeah the more plant matter you can get in it seems like you just feel better you feel healthier but godamn meat is delicious I eat fish occasionally do you yeah no red meat or anything along those lines I have my theory that the uh I've said it before that the stuff that's the quickest is the the best for you like deer deer is really good for you cuz they're hard to get those [ __ ] they run cuz
they got really good meat cows it's pretty good meat what's cheetah taste like I don't know cuz that has to be the best that to delicious you imagine you get a cheetah burger oh damn people would be like no don't eat a cat yeah isn't that funny cat cats will eat you but nobody wants you to eat a cat you can't go hunting tigers and eat the tiger like what if tiger meat was [ __ ] delicious people be like you dick but meanwhile that tiger would hunt you yeah you dummy I'm not saying tiger should be extinct I'm saying if I lived in India I would think tiger should be extinct not necessarily but definitely if I lived in the Sunder bands I say leave cats alone what about big ones man n leave them alone [ __ ] up bro you ever see a real one you just have like a cat thing that you would have to do if a tiger's about to attack you just throw like a piece of paper the other direction and run you know or something like that yeah that would work it probably does there's probably like in like in in their instinct think that they they would do that yeah I wonder if there's like any people that's ever tried that dude I can't even believe you're asking that question on the internet well I mean it it might be DNA stuff you know it might be you got too high before the show just throw a red ball when a Lies come in at you see what happens Hamilton Morris this is a ridiculous show I brought you on to I apologize but then again I don't it's fun I'm just kidding um so you've you've been doing this uh vice.com thing for how long now since about 2007 2008 are you is that full-time your thing no I I work for other magazines as well writing and stuff yeah writing for Harpers as well but Vice is the main what was it like when you uh you sat down with that uh shogan character what is that guy's name Alexander shulan yeah he's like some crazy super chemist dude right really brilliant yeah that was an amazing interview dude yeah and that was really diff you know people kept like writing me saying oh you're so lucky you're so lucky but it was incredibly difficult to get that interview with him and it took years so it wasn't like a luck thing like Vice was like hey we found a kooky guy for you to interview
go visit him I had to I had actually been to his house a couple times beforehand and I had to be vetted by his family and all these things because a lot of people don't understand what he does and uh and he's harassed by people there's this ridiculous idea that inventors are somehow responsible for what is done with their Creations so people think that if somebody dies of an MDMA overdose that he is somehow responsible for it which is of course totally ridiculous wow but you know that mentality yeah there is that mentality which is pretty silly you know the legalization of any of this stuff would require people to go over dosages and be scientific about it and if if any of this stuff was legal you know look if it was legal if you could just be prescribed be prescribed if you could have a doctor that would say you know you're pretty sane I think you could handle ecstasy see prescribes you a little ecstasy go have a party this weekend you know yeah well I don't know about that but I think using it as an adjunct to psychotherapy is not that far away well do you think so you really think they're going to accept that they're certainly trying to you that's the organization Maps that's pretty much what they do yeah I've read that they've made great strides with people as well with post-traumatic disorder yeah which is not surprising I mean I think a lot of the stuff that Maps does is just proving these things that most people understand intuitively but it has to be demonstrated in a rigorous scientific fashion before any the regulatory authorities will accept it yeah wow it would really help a lot no doubt about it they would restructure Society if if people would allow were allowed free use of psychedelics everyone looks at as such a frivolous issue like so silly you know like why why why even concentrate on such things what are you trying to do you trying to get high you know if you talk to most people about psychedelics you feel like you're stuck in a 1950s movie what are you trying to do with your life kid yeah what do you want to do mess with those mushrooms put that stuff down get yourself Square get on that straight and narrow put the mushrooms down boy yeah isn't it I mean doesn't it seem like that it's a it's not a subject
that's easy to be approach seriously with adults there's not a lot of them that'll engage you in it in the regular world you want to talk seriously about psychedelics and seriously about positive effects of them mushrooms and no who who wants to talk to you about that stuff yeah I mean now most of it has to be shrouded in scientific research what if you were working for an insurance company and you were like one of their top sales guys but you're running around the office telling everybody they got to do assd you know yeah I guess I don't even really know what public perceptions I mean I have an idea but it's so hard for me to go until like to really understand what it would be like in Middle America or something if you worked at just an insurance office well I think it's different now everywhere because of the internet I don't think there is necessarily A Middle America that's the same Middle America there there there were some innocent parts of the country or countries were things were a little quieter or slower but I I think because of the access to information that people have today I don't kids can learn a lot of [ __ ] online and even if their environment sucks they can develop and and be engulfed in whole communities online and they can evolve like so much quicker so there's like groups of people that evolve like in small towns now that would have they wouldn't have existed two three decades before you know I think that's that's like one of the big differences between now and you know I try to think about what it would must have been like to be my parents to grow up you know the internet doesn't come along until you're like way too old you barely getting into it you just go on CNN.com and check things and what WEA Li were the big thing I remember going to the library all the [ __ ] time like that was like the cool thing to do rent a movie go get a book libraries must be [ __ ] hurting right now yeah no no they're they're not doing as well as they've been doing before Li libraries are doing great I think so really yeah I yeah I would just think that it's easier to get information without going to the library now yeah my mom doesn't even go to the library anymore and she would like multiple times most people have access to a computer yeah but then
there's all these subscription only services that are too expensive for people that are individuals to use so it's like if you want to use faiva or scifinder or Lexus Nexus or any of these databases scientific databases you have to go to a library right right of course they're always going to exist in some form yeah it would be too expensive otherwise reading books is a different experience in Reading like a Kindle I don't know why man I don't know why well yeah it's it's it's kind of better I don't know why though I don't know why I like turning Pages you know I don't know why I feel like I've actually got it with meof I think it's softer I think once that the technology gets up well it's already is here but once you the technology get where you can kind of feel it like a cottony feel or you know Ian I use a Kindle I use a Kindle right I mean I I do have one of those things but if I had to choose between that like if I had the book and it was on the Kindle I would take the book with me I don't know why do you smell your books before you read them no you never you never smell your book before do you do you ever smell your book I haven't smelled books before yet yeah I like that like smells like a little musky I shouldn't say I've never smelled my I like to smell what I'm reading probably have it's cool until kle has that that ability to like hold in your hand and it it's its own thing like that book was great and it smells a little weird until it has that kind of you know real feeling to it cuz right now it's just like you're looking at a piece of glass like a words are on a screen it's you disconnect from the last used book that I bought was uh the sacred Mushroom in the cross the only way to buy it you was used until Yan Irvin just re-released it and uh that uh did you you've read that right I am familiar with it I've read part of it I hav't read it cover to cover and I've read part of the second book as well um what was that the it's like the end of the road or something like that it was the sacred Mushroom in the cross and then there was the other one was God damn it turn back time something in the S scroll in the Christian myth something along WR yeah he had a whole career before a sacred Mushroom in the cross is
just a yeah Bible scholar yeah that's uh that's the idea and that he uh he was the only one who believed that it was all about mushrooms that the entire the the the Christian religion like a big part of it was about fertility rituals yeah and mushrooms yeah but even that's you know I don't know if you're familiar with the book shroom by Andy lechner or letner no it's oh it's good you should definitely check it out it's really yeah it's a pretty impressive piece of research but he in the book and he goes through all these different mushroom myths but he talks about uh the sacred mushroom of the Cross and claims it algo never even believed that but that he was just so he hated Christianity so much at that point in his career that he just was looking for some way to disprove it or dismiss it or make it look ridiculous in the public eye wa that's awesome if that's true holy [ __ ] damn for part of me doesn't want it to be true because it's such a great story I really wish you could say look dude the Bible was about dudes tripping on mushrooms and I really wish it could say that and that's what Rick strasman is trying to do now with at least with the Old Testament and DMT really what is he saying I saw him speak relatively recently and he said that he his new career goal is to go through all the Old Testament looking for instances of Altered States Of Consciousness that might be indicative of some kind of a DMT type experience whoa yeah yeah there was some recently there was some uh guy um uh scholar from Jerusalem that was proposing that about Moses and he was uh that the Moses's encounter with the burning bush might have been some reference to the ACAA Bush which is a very high DMT content right absolutely yeah that's how he saw God yeah he's like a legit scholar I forget the the gentleman's name but he was a legit scholar who was bringing up this connection to possibly you know psychedelic experiences yeah and then I've also heard a theory that the Arc of the Covenant was a meth lab that's awesome yeah that's a [ __ ] great quote that's the kind of quote you hear and you go damn I wish I wrote that yeah the Arc of the covenants of methb dude do you ever hear those people that
believe the AR Arc of the Covenant actually exists and it's in um what part of afca guys is it I don't know I only know about it through Indiana Jones yeah I've seen the photo of that temple in Africa is it Ethiopia is it Ethiopia because I can't remember Graham Hancock was one of the guys who uh that's what got him interested in uh these uh alternative views of history there was I believe it was Ethiopia and they have this uh area that's guarded and the these these monks that's guard that and they supposed to have like a 20 year lifespan the radiation powerful yeah it's so sexy you wish it was true you know I really I don't know if it's true but I don't want anybody to disprove it I think it's been investigated I think the Discovery Channel or someone did a special on they haven't I wanted to do a BBS thing about it what what Hancock had said was that no one was ever allowed to get anywhere even close maybe that's possible that's what he said but there's a map of it on Indiana Jones 2 during one of the Cutaway scenes where shows like that the plane you know the dotted line just find it through there I don't think it works that way kid he just completely interrupted my train of thought I don't know where I'm going now you know yinling have you ever heard of yinling what is yinling it's the America's oldest brewery and it's in Pennsylvania and it's used to be this beer that living in Ohio people I know would go to and stock up with truck FS just so they could have it for like a year why uh because it's you know it's really good it really is it's it's older than Budweiser Budweiser came out supposedly stole their Eagle logo is this a new sponsor that I don't know about you worked into you can't even buy it here in California so so they stole the eagle and budweis stole the ego and used it in their logo and uh now Yin langang decided to come to Ohio uh the first week sold out the entire like like iPod style like there you could they had to build a whole new thing on their Factory just for Ohio now because I had and everywhere you went beer that that's all everyone was served everyone was drinking that it was like the craziest thing seeing in Ohio when it went back home everybody was drinking this beer and it's [ __ ] pretty good for just
like a shitty cheap light beer but everybody was drinking that's how bad Ohio sucks they get excited about some [ __ ] beer buiser so fired up and they band together to support some [ __ ] beer Budweiser's hurting from it how bad is that beer it's really good come on son I I I wish I could give you some man you could probably get in chicag no you probably can't get I like Sam Adams is it like that uh they yeah they have different kinds they have like lights they have loggers they have I mean it's it's really good you work for them no but it's the oldest brewery it has to be the best they're going the [ __ ] like the first one you know I don't know what's going on here I think he's I think he's broken into an impromptu commercial no you would like it try it if you ever get the chance all right Pennsylvania if I find out this is a impromptu commercial it's not I'm I swear to God you're get the [ __ ] out of here don't play anything for me no no it's just that's the beer right there okay I believe it how dare you never heard of it I know either did I I don't give a [ __ ] dude I'm just saying [ __ ] it's crazy the but the the Budweiser story was really interesting I thought like how they took the the logo it's American Eagle dude everybody wants an American Eagle what about goodear tires don't they have an American Eagle too is there an American Eagle in there somewhere what about them is anybody else allowed to use eagle look it's the same as Budweiser though wow it's pretty close it's crazy I mean there's a slight difference Budweiser is the lead Zeppelin of beers is that's what you're trying to say maybe they stole it from Budweiser you don't know yeah they've had it longest Budweiser was even company when they came out settle down son Hamilton Morris I apologize for everything everything you've experienced so far today in this uh strange ride um so um you want to do this um thing about isolation tanks what's your uh your goal what are you trying to get out of this I'd like to use one of the tanks myself I want to try specifically those tanks that you were talking about earlier that have some kind of an auditory and visual component yeah he's got that all set up man he's got it set
up where um he's got videos of it where they're using the sound and they're playing like music and you could see the waves in the water cuz the the speakers are actually like floating in the water and they're they're like set up right by your head and the waves are like making the water like Splash and jump and wiggle it's pretty [ __ ] trippy man yeah yeah it's pretty trippy to think that that's going to be also affecting your body while you're in there you know you're going to feel the sound on your skin yeah [ __ ] yeah you will you're going to yeah you're going to hear it on your in your ears and you're going to feel it in your skin cuz it's like moving man it's moving through the all the water the the whole thing is Rippling while they're doing this it's really pretty wild wait and you hear it because your ears are under the water yeah your ears are under the water and it's not distorted by the water I don't know it could be on big notes it's possible if things like really Splash around yeah but what does that feel like that's got to feel nutty yeah I'm curious yeah his idea this guy crash's idea is that he's going to develop um like howto tutorials uh for sports and for all sorts of different things music uh language they'll be able to teach people languages much quicker and that in the sensory deprivation environment with the lack of external stimula your brain would be more focused sounds like the lawnmower man does sound like the lawnmower man you're right it does does he do these neut Tropic injections beforehand or something like that that's what he should do right we got to give him some [ __ ] nuclear [ __ ] it's like an X-Men type situation yeah the um the idea behind it is fascinating you know the idea that you can program the Mind better inside the sensory deformation state it really makes a lot of sense I mean seems like it would work that way if you really get someone really knew what they were doing to design like some cool programs yeah you know think that would be like the best way to learn ever especially if you learn something cool but it would be really hard seems like it would be distracting your concentration maybe what I would think not if you got comfortable with it see the thing about the tank is once you do it for a long
time you know you do it a couple times like four or five times once you once you do it you know what it is you can just settle right in and once you settle right in then it's not going to be distracting at all it's going to be wild as [ __ ] floating there watching some just image appear right in front of you because you can't really see the the light is so dim that all that comes through is the actual image you can't see the outline of the Box have you ever been to one of those group massages where there's a shitload of people in one room and then they're playing like like a movie that's on Loop like on the wall of like a house you know in Asia somewhere right like a birds flying yeah birds flying see I find that annoy uh distracting if it was just pitch dark I think I would be better off and I think that's how like with when you're relaxing in one of these isolation Tes any kind of know sound or anything like that that seems that would be distracting you're absolutely right it would be and I have never gotten into the uh the video or audio thing that's this guy crashes thing I like to go in and just chill on my own but I think it's fascinating I mean I'm not opposed to trying it it sounds really nuts and uh if he could ever figure out how to to Really hook it up and do it right I mean what a great way to like learn a language or something what a great way to like you know could you imagine if you took like you found out that you could develop a core specifically for use inside the isolation pan like the optimum way to learn things and memorize things and put them to use and you you show that you could make people learn Spanish 10 times quicker something [ __ ] nutty like that you just show you wolves on Loop at night like walking slowly just to go against your fears and stuff like that yeah if you could really get it to the point where it becomes a hologram that would be the ultimate inter entainment experience dude you're living in a hologram you get in the isolation tank and they put whatever hologram you want on okay let's do the Amazon jungle boom that would be wild that would be wild and you get to watch like a a movie get to watch a life take place in front of you Sister Act to that's what
I'm talking about you in the jungle [ __ ] you're not even paying attention that's what reality is going to be eventually it's going to be you know op you know you're going to have to going to be able to choose what do you want to do today I mean eventually it's got to get to a point where we can construct reality I mean I know that they've they've devised artificial realities for video games it look pretty [ __ ] spiffy you know when you're watching a good video game like a like what is it like Metal of Honor one of those games that what is that the name of it metal one of them right Call of Duty Call of Duty Call of Duty you watch those those video games like that's the graphics are [ __ ] absolutely incredible how how long is it before they can project that into your head how long is it before instead of looking at that amazing thing someone figures out how to project it into your head that's that's going to happen and when that happens that's going to be an alternate reality they're going to be able to program an alternate reality and if you if your Consciousness if if they can figure out a way to lock your Consciousness onto that alternate reality it's almost like putting you in another world it's almost like putting you in another dimension yeah yeah is that possible I think it is yeah that seems like what's going to happen right primitive forms of it are already possible and things like you know they have those implants for blind people that allow them to see with a camera that go heard goes directly into their brain Jesus you can input visual stimuli into still probably far away till everyone could do it like XBox 7 7200 or something right it's like how we look at like the old cowboy style photographer dude who had to throw that thing over his head remember and he had the big torch on his hand and poof and it would go off do you remember that like when like all the wild west movies the guy would like have to get under a tarp and [ __ ] to take a picture do you remember all that and and think about what that was it was like there was no [ __ ] movies like shut up they could barely get an image everybody had a stand still you know you had to like really wait like how long did it take to take that
picture yeah took a little time right yeah you couldn't just move around it wasn't like instant think about that was only 200 years ago right that's amazing that's [ __ ] incredible that is 200 years ago and now we're complaining I wonder all the shenanigans that happened like having to sit there with your family and then like one of the kids would fart and like don't move don't you know like there was probably all these like little things that always happen during those photos you know standing still there was probably some humor that that was lost and that we wouldn't have to do that anymore yeah how long did they have to hold their face right I like a lot of blurry pictures from the old yeah usually the kids that's why the kids are always the bious and all those ghost photos as well is that what that is yeah cuz people would walking in out of the frame just nothing drives me crazier than [ __ ] ghost TV shows man I watch those ghost TV shows and I just go you're not going to find anything why are you [ __ ] with me you never find anything there's never been a bigger [ __ ] teas than the ghost reality genre and they're in like season 3 or something like that it's like look and you can see this ectoplasma enters the room there's like a speck on the screen like this this is where the ectoplasma enters the room this is where the what the [ __ ] did you just say like you [ __ ] you know have a [ __ ] ghost you're ghost hunting you're not finding [ __ ] shut up every [ __ ] show is the same thing there's some people in a dark room watching something through night vision and someone goes what was that noise and then they go to commercial then they come back and it's nothing right it's ridiculous my M my uh I just got back from Ohio my my my mom's house is supposedly haunted like like like my sister used to always talk about it and then my mom is now talking about it and my stepdad he's like a you know owned an architect firm like he's a really smart guy you know huge corporation this guy had and then he retired and he's a farmer you know he's just a very intelligent guy and he said he saw it the other day whoa and then so it's just like all right are you guys stupid or is there a gas leak or a mining leak somewhere that's giving you some drug I think most likely he's [ __ ] your mom
that's what I would say that's my if if you came to make okay what if there was like a sour well near my mom's house there's in the farm what's going on here man I said well she's probably a little wacky I think there must be something some kind of feing he's going along with her raon gone bad there might be man you know you you grew up in a test yeah what happen to radon Ron test gas in your basement do you remember how about the [ __ ] that was on apples oh yeah what was that that uh that that chemical they used to spray that fertilizer on is that you talking about I don't remember there was a something that was on apples that were saying was dangerous for you right do you remember that no [ __ ] [ __ ] what was it and I was I don't remember what the [ __ ] chemical was I'm sure Twitter will let me know right Twitter somebody please tell me what's the [ __ ] chemical was it all something or another all something do you remember something like that I know exactly what you're talking about whatever my dad actually has a patent to get raidon out of your basement that he used to build these machines for Rich guys that like only he only sold like maybe 50 of them no ra on gas is totally not legit no it it is it is legit yeah it's definitely an element but I mean it's sorry I should in in people's homes is it a a health issue is it something they really have to worry about I don't think so I don't know I've never heard of anyone I knew dying of raid on poisoning but um how did it get brought up do you know how did it become an issue I guess some people died somewhere at some point they must have and it does exist it is a element that leaks out of the earth and is a radioactive gas that's nasty so it's just a natural part of yeah no it's not a result of nuclear testing or anything like that it's a totally natural wow element so do you think that people died because there's just some areas where it would just come through in in heavy Doses and no one anticipated it is that what it was I think it's heavier than oxygen if I remember correctly and sort of like settle on in basements and maybe near floors and people sleep in pools of it and just and you can get rid on poisoning it's you know it's it starts in your respiratory
system and then you just start like wheezing and coughing a lot and [ __ ] like that wow it's actually pretty crazy that it was so popular but then it just died off like they we're still probably getting this they did did they find something new like oh by the way right on poisoning is actually now it's all about carbon monoxide yeah well you know all it takes is like one death somewhere and then all of a sudden everybody starts chasing after it I mean it could been one extreme example that was very very rare and then everybody started chasing it and it's sensationalist stories if you have one good story about someone dying from some invisible chemical or even a drug yeah or there you go even a drug Iowa and Pennsylvania two highest ones that's why their beer is so good isn't it amazing man when you when you stop and think about that so many of the different things that you you've talked about are not legal you know different psychoactive substances like when you were talking to uh that uh shulan guy like the different things that he was talking about the different tryptamines and how many of them are legal a lot of them are illegal right illegal yeah U 5 Meo di PT DMT maybe 11 or 12 of them maybe even more probably about a dozen tryptamines are illegal schedule one um yeah I know it's ridiculous and a lot of them never had any real popularity in the first place drugs like do or something or TMA were never particularly popular substances could you imagine if something like 5 Meo DMT killed as many people a year cigarettes does wouldn't that be amazing could you imagine how people would react what a crisis that would be we've got to get this off the streets could you imagine but meanwhile when cigarettes do it it's like well you shouldn't have been smoking yeah whoops whoops yeah I mean I wonder if nicotine would be legal if it were a recently discovered substance probably I think the nicotine is not as much of an issue I think there the other I think a lot of is all the other [ __ ] they put in to make it even more addictive they say that if you you uh smoke cigars you know people that smoke cigars you're first of all you're not inhaling it but you're getting like a
real pure like type of tobacco you know it doesn't have chemicals on it and it's supposed to be not nearly as bad for you it's not great for you it's not the best thing for you you're sucking on a a crazy [ __ ] plant that gives you nicotine all day but what it is is a better healthier version of that tobacco and that the 599 different additives that the Food and Drug Administration allows cigarette companies to pump into cigarettes to just to make him mostly make them more addictive I think if you believe that movie with what's his name what's homeboy's name [ __ ] Gladiator dude russow Russell Crow remember that movie he played a dude who was like the scientist who uh Knew Too Much About cigarettes based in a real story that was terrifying if any of that stuff in that movie I can't even remember the the movie's name or the actor's name but they don't even need to I mean nicotine is incredibly addictive without any kind of mysterious additives but there's also the beta carbolines in tobacco that may give it an additional addictive component because they may improve mood when that movie he was talking about and again I don't know how much that movie is dramatically I think it's based on a real story though isn't it mhm I'm going to him I remember that's my I remember it being based on it like or something like that it was terrifying to think that a company would be so that they would go out of their way to try to use chemists to make their [ __ ] more addictive and you're like wow like that's a that's a really nutty Choice 599 is a lot when you find out they have 599 different chemicals they add to cigarettes yeah it's weird a lot of the additives don't really even make sense I've looked through the lists I don't understand why they've choose some of these things like purine or yeah purine would be an example what is purine it's an aromatic six-membered ring with a nitrogen in it that um that is just smells really bad wa and you wouldn't think that it would have any maybe the counterbalance it's just tons of stuff it's like all these different it just smells bad that's all it does as far as I know and in the quantities that they would be using it I can't I maybe it's like in a really you know in the same way that like indle in
very very very small quantities smells like Jasmine but then in large quantities smells like [ __ ] so some of these things that smell bad it's probably used for smell to to sell a cigarette like when a smoker doesn't smoke and they smell a cigarette you want a cigarette bad what yeah really 100% it's like having apple pie when apple pie comes out of the oven you smell apple pie like [ __ ] I want that apple pie same reason they're probably making a smell well I don't know if they're making it to attract to other people but they're probably making it more attractive to the people that are smoking it it's weird that it'd be a stinky thing you say a stinky thing it's probably a mixture of different kinds of stinky things that make the smell so some of them are just smells and so who the [ __ ] knows you know like I said according to the Russell Crow movie that I can't even remember the title right they like done some deep research on hooking people in deeper and deeper with all these different 599 chemicals just ridiculous that's too many yeah that's a lot it's very complicated it's ridiculous even when you're looking at the interaction of two chemicals at once it becomes incredibly complicated how do you think they constructed that mean you you understand that field how did they do that I I mean I'd have to look through the list of all the additives but I don't know I mean it could just be you know even things like any candy that any child eats probably has an equivalent number of different chemicals in it um you know people the the word chemical always sounds bad like there's 599 chemicals but there's I guarantee 599 chemicals in this in everything in everything so it depends on how you want to phrase it I I'm sure the majority of those chemicals are benign but maybe 11 of them do have some malevolent function and uh are based on some tobacco industry plan to addict people but I I really do think that nicotine in and of itself would be enough I think you think um those did people that smoke those natural cigarettes those like in what are they American cigarett do they experience less addiction no uh no actually I I think those Hit Me Harder like I wake up spitting up like buckets of Goobs you know like just like my roomate smok them is just a major FL
producer maybe it's like uh maybe some of the chemicals that cigarettes make make it so that burns easier oh yeah definitely I mean like like what most people hat smoke I would say is maror lights or camel lights or a light cigarette and it's more like having a Diet Coke it's just like you know you just want a little taste of the chemical and a little smoke but you're not but then you get these guys that are like smoking marble Reds where it's like having your little cigars you know it's like harsh it's have you ever seen the the wonderful Whites of uh West Virginia no you've never seen it what is it it's a crazy documentary that uh they did on these uh people that live in West Virginia that have been this notorious family of Outlaws and wild people and there was a woman and her name was subab and I swear to God that was her voice I was always been a sexy one in the family and just go and you just stop and think about that's so what did cigarettes do to her man what did cigarettes do to her nobody sounds like that when they're a woman without cigarettes like it's only cigarettes that'll give you that I mean maybe some crazy exotic disease but yeah this zubab that's what she sounds like it's amazing if you've never seen it man if you just want something silly to watch it's so well made it's a beautiful documentary it's Johnny Knoxville's production company put it together it's really awesome it's about this family they're just awesome characters man they just live in West Virginia and they sell pills and they're just always getting arrested they're just wild man it's so crazy to watch it's really really fun but cigarettes [ __ ] that chick's voice up you see did you we didn't talk about that that guy that uh what say Mick F Mick Fanny whatever that guy's name is that's running for president in the marijuana uh mitt Ry Jesus Christ wait what's his name Mitt Romney man Romney all right yeah about him in the marijuana patient we remember we were going to talk about that yeah yeah that's crazy I talked to you about it before we even did the show it was so it was so sad to watch someone that could be so calloused about his ideas like that when some if you haven't seen it Mitt Romney a guy was running for president a very very wealthy man is standing in front of this dude in a
wheelchair the guy's like 80 lbs man I think he said he had muscular distrophy I apologize if if I'm wrong about that but you know he said to Mitt Romney that he needs medical marijuana and that medical marijuana is the only thing that that helps him and Mitt Romney said uh have you tried the synthetic form and he said it it makes me vomit and marijuana is the only thing that helps me would you put me in jail if you became president you hear it sure let's play it let's see if it sounds good I know that let see if it sound it's it's really depress it's an old video that just really that just became popular really okay it's so um I suffer from an extremely rare type of district and I have to take medic for all right now I weigh less than 80 lb I have all my life um I have support of with my doctor saying that I am living proof that medical marijuana works I am completely against legalizing it for everyone but there is medical purp for and you and you have synthetic marijuana that's available and other P it makes me sick I have tried it and it makes me throw up I have tried all the medications there are and all the forms that come in appeti stimulators of steroids I have muscular distopy that's completely against my DNA I'm sorry to hear that my uh my question for you is will you arrest me and my doctors if I get medical marijuana I'm I'm not I'm not in favorite medical marijuana B have arrest how are you excuse me I'm just turned away from him and did the politician smile Hi how are you no he asked he asked if you were going to arrest patients like him Governor you're going to just ignore a person in a wheelchair I spoke with him I no but he didn't answer his question all right well this going so disturbing yeah this is what we're getting Hamilton Mars I think you got a good voice and you should run for president yeah I'm pretty sure you could pull this off yeah why not all right do it I don't think he's enthusiastic about that I feel patronized it's it's shocking though isn't it that a person like that could be like even close remotely close to being able to run things that that you would be so coldhearted to just walk away from that dude like that that's like a serious issue man you got to
address that issue this guy's telling you there's something that helps him and he's obviously in terrible terrible Straits the guy's [ __ ] up man he's he can't move his body he's in a goddamn wheelchair and he's telling you there something happens against against his you know own will you know this is this is something that he's saying helps him makes him feel happy against his pain yeah and he even said I'm not for legalizing it for anybody yeah he goes not for everybody but for people that you can use it for medical purposes it works that he you could just walk away from a guy like that you know just it's just disturbing that anybody would be so flippant with the idea that it's it's so it's so Preposterous it's so gross to them for some [ __ ] reason I don't know what it is but the idea of altering your Consciousness any way other than the sanctioned ways that we've prescribed to for the last you know several decades anything that steps outside of that becomes a danger I don't know why man MH why you tell me man I don't know it's so I mean it's not a majority view I don't think I think it had to do with a few people people who you know when you think about it only takes a few people to make these enormous changes in drug policy I like I don't know all that much about the history of marijuana specifically but it was like that one guy primarily and then with the psychedelics it's the same kind of deal takes one person to die at the wrong time and you know one person dies after smoking Salvia the guy Brett chidester and then it's illegal over 10 states a dude died smoking Salvia no he didn't even die I mean there was there was a a teenager named Brett [ __ ] who wrote in his diary I love Salvia it uh but I also understand that life has no meaning now or something like that and then a few days later he killed himself and his mother looked in his diary and said oh it was the Salvia that made him suicidal and went on this crusade to have it banned in every state that she could and was successful in something like a dozen states it's called Brett's law wow but that's the way it always is it's always one person that there's like the that act based on the person that bought morphine on the internet and overdosed it just takes one
promising T all the mushrooms in the Netherlands are now illegal because of guel car off the girl that jumped off the bridge just one uh promising person whose photo looks good on the news dies and that's the end of a plan what did she do she got mushroomed up and jumped off the bridge even that's unclear I mean that was the the official idea that was written in the news but then when I was in Holland recently working on this new project for VBS we were at this place called uh Magic truffles which is the largest mushroom or was the largest mushroom farm in Holland they make metric tons of mushrooms in this Factory and but then mushrooms became legal so they converted their entire operation to producing psychedelic scler roia but they say the whole thing is a scam they think that uh that she wasn't even on mushrooms that the entire thing is based on a friend seeing her with a box of mushrooms in her hand but on the day of the death and then they put two and two together and decided that she must have been on mushrooms when she died oh God so she could have just been depressed yeah I don't think there were any toxicology reports that confirmed she was under the influence of any psilocybin at the time I can get not wanting to give it to everybody I just think there should be places where you can get it where someone could walk you through it and you should be able to make an educated Choice there just so many people shouldn't be denied the experience because I think the experience makes people more aware and more sensitive and I only think that that's good I think the world can use a lot more aware and more sensitive so why aren't their centers set up why is it still illegal that's where it gets completely totally ridiculous it gets to the point where you you're keeping something that might be beneficial to a lot of people because some people might [ __ ] it up cuz some people might [ __ ] with it and do something crazy mean it also has to do with fashion in science and medicine you know it became very unfashionable in the ' 80s to do psychedelic Psychotherapy and uh and there were only a number even places like I think there are certain parts of Germany where any any psychiatrist that wanted to could and
they chose not to just because most people weren't interested in it for a while they thought it had limited potential and now I think the potential is you know there's the renewal of all the Psychedelic research but in the 80s people didn't think it was even people that were Pro psychedelic drugs they just didn't a lot of them didn't necessarily think that it was a viable road to to producing important neuroscientific res research or in terms of psychotherapeutic drugs yeah I I recall hearing a McKenna interview where he was talking about that about how scientists were often like discouraged from going down those paths because people would say like you know there's not really nothing there for you well yeah it's hard it's hard to it's difficult to quantify the benefits of psychedelic drugs like a lot there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that they have lasting effects on people's lives and that they have you know relief from depression or alcoholism or things like that but when it comes down to really really putting it down on paper it's been difficult and often it's things like the Johns Hopkins study where psilocybin occasions longlasting mystical experiences or that that famous paper uh that's the really recent one right yeah the recent one it's getting a huge amount of press but it's it's amazing yeah yeah they said that it improved their personalities yeah but even that is is kind of slippery when it's you know mystical experience all these terms are slippery and if you you know when you look at a neut Tropic there these very defined studies of how something does it Aid rodents in navigating a maze does it allow them to does it allow uh you does it prevent the formation of certain types of diseases Tangled proteins in the brain or things that that are indicative of neurodegenerative diseases um but there isn't anything like that for psychedelic there's no single benefit that can be Quantified and uh and I think one reason that it's difficult for researchers is is and then and there's ways around it that now a lot of people try to emphasize the positive effects that are not necessarily psychoactive so maybe they have some kind of an immunosuppressant effect that would be
useful for Al uh for arthritis or some kind of um inflammatory disease or something like that that's funny that you said that because there was something I was reading just a couple of days ago about people juicing cannabis and that uh it doesn't have any psychoactive effects but there's a lot of like great health benefits for juicing it yeah and CBD the non psychoactive uh turpine and one of you know the THC and CBD are the two main chemicals in so would you juice it like a smoothie like blend it up I don't know about this I don't know about this specific technique but CBD is not psychoactive and has all kinds of uh medicinal effects like it's currently undergoing clinical trials as a treatment for schizophrenia so I mean in addition to the Psychedelic effect there may be all kinds of things we can't you know maybe neuro regenerative maybe synaptogenic maybe all sorts of different things the marijuana one is the biggest trip because it's got so many excellent properties yet it's illegal it makes the best paper it makes the best clothes like the fiber is excellent you can make like wall board out of it that's like four times stronger than plywood it's like a really incredible plant cuz it's super strong like if you ever like picked up a Hemp stock it's really weird man it's like from another planet cuz it's really [ __ ] strong but it's light as [ __ ] like you pick it up and it's like this is a weird kind of wood it seems strange and it has so much [ __ ] potential as far as like you could like you can grow like a a massive Forest full of it chop it all down and then have another massive Forest like 6 months later or a year later I mean it's it's renewable can you could do it over and over again and all the health benefits all that it's like it's from another planet it's really a crazy drug when you think about all the good things it does it's great it had the seeds are awesome source of protein it has all the essential amino acids it's actually good for you if you juice it if you smoke it you get high you feel amazing it's like it couldn't do any more for you come on man you can make paper out of me you want to make clothes out of me dude you can eat my oil my oil is really good for you o it can power cars too it's like I'm
renewable every six month I mean it's like it couldn't be any nicer to you it couldn't be any more of a a productive plant you know as far as like Society just uses as uh you know as a quantity as you know uses as a you know something that you could sell yeah absolutely and it's the same thing with mushrooms as well they have so many benefits Beyond just being vessels for carrying these psychoactive drugs you know I think Paul stamitz did a lot of experiments with the defense department using either pyan essin or azer essin and using them to Def phosphorate sarin to break down nerve gases um because in the same way that all these enzymes in the mycelium that are able to break down the cellular components of the substrate whether it's you know wood or grass or some kind of seed it's able to break it down and extract all these amino acids and then biosynthesize chemicals out of it but um but it can also break down all other kinds of substrates like you know there's all this bio remediation where they use mushrooms to clean up oil spills because the mushroom mycelium is able to break down the aromatic hydrocarbons in the oil and to totally detoxify you can even eat the mushrooms afterwards wow yeah i' had heard about something like that that they' Ed things like that in Alaska is that what they experienced that where where that that was the before the golf incident that was like the last big one right yeah they've tried a bun and they wanted to do it in Japan as well to to clean up radioactive waste because you can use the mushrooms to bioaccumulate radioactive fallout and then pick the mushrooms and slowly decontaminate an area I mean it's an extremely slow way to do it but also effective wow it would take hundreds of years well what other options are there I mean that's the thing you imagine if that's the best way to do it but then once you get the mushrooms to eat it and then you have to pick up the mushrooms the mushrooms are still radioactive right that's right for how long until the you know decay of the radioactive atoms and whatever hundreds of thousands years yeah so it's essentially just moving the problem to another area yeah but at least you're concentrating it it's better to have all like a 20 Drums of radioactive mushrooms in a concrete
Vault somewhere than to have it covering 100 miles of land yeah that Japan thing is so terrifying to me because I have no understanding whatsoever of how nuclear power works I just always took it for granted never even thought about it I never and then I just recently found out that it's about making steam it's about like the somehow or another the nuclear thing it's like the power comes from Steam like Powers things and [ __ ] steam turbines yeah steam turbines I'm like wow that seems like so old school you know it's just they're using like this super powerful fire to boil water yeah you know I mean it sounds ridiculous I mean my my simplification of it sounds ridiculous but when you find out that there's spots now where there's just it's no one's ever going to be able to go there no one you can't go there you can't go there that spot's [ __ ] for forever for we probably won't even be people anymore cuz you know 100,000 years ago we weren't even this right we were like barely this as as an organism we're we're essentially a little bit more of monkey than we are now by the time that shit's done what are people going to be like by the time that's not radioactive anymore we're not even going to be people anymore we'll probably be some new [ __ ] we all have autism and and we'll probably be just like the gra dude just crazy something connected to the grid trippy is going to happen we're going to be assimilated with the machine yeah that's my my conclusion yeah assimilated with the machine what do you think's going to happen something's going on I don't know I mean I I don't you don't think about it I do think about it I just don't it's difficult anything seems possible it's just like with any any issue where it seems as if it could go one way I certainly am a pessimist ultimately and I'd like to be an optimist are you a pessimist as far as the potential that the human race can reach or is you about the possible outcomes are you a pessimist about people in general I don't I mean I got into an argument with uh Daniel pinchback recently about really yeah yeah about about aliens and he has this very optimistic idea that if aliens he told me ghosts definitely exists yeah he he believes a lot of things that I definitely yeah he's very openminded
he's very open well I I enjoyed talking to him before we say any further oh yeah no I enjoyed talking to him just playing but uh so so what happened aliens we were talking about stepen Hawking and and how Stephen Hawking has this idea that if we ever do make contact with aliens the best move would be to ignore them because if if they ever come to our planet the chances are they're not only going to exploit us but destroy us and I mean he didn't say exactly those words but he generally has a a pessimistic View and I think that that's a well-informed intelligent view there's no reason to have an optimistic view about that but Daniel pinchback seems have this idea that uh that you know be friends and we'll drink that's so sweet that's so sweet um I don't think so if you look at if you look at every single organism that we can observe on this Earth it takes advantage of the weaker organisms including the most intelligent we take advantage of dolphins we put them in Absol exactly saying as well we look killer whales we don't give a [ __ ] we put we lock them up in tanks we know they're intelligent we just can't understand them and so we force them into slavery that's not mentioning humans to humans we but with with animals that we don't understand intelligent animals we understand we regularly enslave them for people's enjoyment to watch on television and then we believe somehow or another that some super intelligent organism is going to show different Behavior than what every single organism on this Earth including the highest us the most aware us we do it worse than any of them we do it worse than Dolphins we do it worse than Killer Wheels we have chimps we lock chimps up we don't give a [ __ ] even my Humane people people that love the CH still keep them in or people that love chimps keep them in cages people that love Dolphins keep them in tanks Don Lily kept his dolphins in the tank um so even if they were trying to be nice to us who's to say that it wouldn't be some nightmarish it's [ __ ] hell for that dolphin man it's got to be hell they're they're intelligent they're just they just can't change their environment we know they have dialects and they have crazy like societal rules and you know dolphins
have there's this they have a huge attachment to their family and their loved ones to just snatch one up and stick it in a fish tank is [ __ ] up but we do it why would we think that aliens wouldn't do that to us we are crazy could you imagine if you came down here and you watch all these little pink monkeys with their [ __ ] bang sticks and nuclear weapons you found out that people had nuclear weapons you know you see them at home slack jaw watching the Kardashians we have nuclear weapons the same animal you know the same animal and it's all going on right now but alens is probably cute you would want to shut this whole [ __ ] show down you'd be like you're going to ruin this whole planet you stupid [ __ ] you would want to come in we would for sure shut this planet down if we came into an area and there was a bunch of chimps and The Chimps had machine gun guns and tanks and we would shut that [ __ ] place down there's no way we're going to let some chimp start running [ __ ] we would take all their weapons we'd go Jesus Christ who gave chimps these [ __ ] tanks why what are chimps doing flying around in Jets we would totally steal their [ __ ] we would never allow that imagine if chimp started coming into our towns and stealing our cars and [ __ ] that would be a real issue we wouldn't allow that we would take our [ __ ] take from those dumb monkeys and that's what they would do they would come down they would steal our cars [ __ ] all our iPhones give me that how'd you figure this out you [ __ ] dummy they would take your iPhone W check you out look what you did did you figure this out think about the average person how stupid they are and they have an iPhone in their pocket boom and they don't know how to use it yeah so pinch Peck thinks they would all go iasa style yeah they would have a song prepared hello humans we want to we prepared this for you let's and after we will eat at the buffet The Day the Earth Stood Still the other day have you ever seen that I have been not since I was a child wow it was amazing it was like I was watching a movie it was kind of cool you know it's kind of cool because you know you put
yourself back into that sort of like old school comic book style of Storytelling they did in the ' 50s in the innocent days when they made that movie but the other thing was like how naive like the the portrait of like an alien what it would be and you know just how naive the situation was in the military and the there every obvious bad guys and good guys like how naive but yet how how you know well even now there's really no impressive concept of aliens that's what you know I don't know if you're familiar with this science fiction writer Stannis La Lem but he wrote Solaris and his master's voice in all these books and his main idea is that humans can't conceive of anything that is truly alien we're only looking for ourselves in the universe and anything that was truly unlike us we couldn't even imagine right so even like the movie Alien still is is a thing that like us you know it could be a living ocean right yeah or a living planet right a planet with Consciousness yeah that's always been a fascinating idea that everything has some sort of Consciousness you know whether or not expresses pain or even feels it or can't communicate that everything has some sort of a a type of Consciousness well definitely our idea of life is generally very narrow you know there like a budding field of astrobiology which is just a speculative science but even in in astrobiology textbooks from a couple years ago there would be no mention of the possibility that uh that arsenic could replace phosphorus in biomolecules it didn't even seem like a possibility and now we know that that can happen how does that work what happens um there was like a a lake I think it's in Nevada that had extremely extremely high levels of arsenic in the water and this researcher whose last name was Feliz I think uh collected bacteria from the lake and found that they were producing DNA and amino acid where the phosphorus atom that's present in a lot of these molecules was replaced by arsenic whoa yeah I had arsenic poisoning from eating sardines I told you that right yeah I ate too many sardines I was eating like a can of sardines a day they so funny who does that no one you're the only person I've ever met that likes sardines that much are they a good source of arsenic why would they apparently
apparently sardines um they're um they feed on heavy metal well don't feed on heavy metal but they feed at the bottom of the ocean and that's where a lot of uh pollution is a lot of heavy metal pollution and uh they they get a concentration of arsenic not enough really to make you sick but enough that shows up on tests so you get your blood chucked and you say holy [ __ ] there's some arsenic in there what the [ __ ] is going on like is someone trying to kill me slowly or is it sardines turns out of was sardines I wonder if you could get turquoise po like poisoning like if you like constantly ate a little bit of turquoise every day like if that is turquoise toxic I don't know you know Stone yeah but if you like shaved it down into a powder and put it in like some proteins and stuff I don't know I don't know what the chemical composition of turquoises but do you just don't study [ __ ] that doesn't get you [ __ ] up no I do how do you know what it's the best thing ever it's so pretty maybe have they that's that's a terrible question but it leads to a half decent one have do you think they've discovered all the Psychedelic substances on Earth or do you think absolutely not no definitely not even close I was when I first saw Alexander shulan's work and saw PE call I was discouraged by it because I thought that it had all been done that every single possible psychoactive tryptamine and phenethylamine had already been synthesized for people who don't know pical is a Phil what is it that I known filamin I've known and love and trypto I've known and loved and there these two enormous thousand plus page books written by a chemist in California named Alexander shulan and they contain at least about a hundred drugs that he's synthesized in these two chemical classes in each volum and it looks prettyy comprehensive it looks as if he's evaluated every imaginable psychedelic but that's only a fraction of what's possible I love that interview that you had with a man because I had never seen a guy like that in the wild you know I'd never seen some super chemist dude who created like God knows how many combinatory I mean how many times has he created something some
new cool thing or discovered some new cool thing hundreds yeah how many has he documented it's amazing right enormous enormous in incredible and then he's sitting there just rattling all this information off to you and you were like a [ __ ] kid in a candy store you could tell you were like wow like you couldn't believe you were hanging out with him so cool the the enthusiasm like it really came through like the the your honest enthusiasm to be hanging around with this guy it really you had uh a an educated sense of reverence about what he's done so it's like when you addressed all these things like you could tell that you had like this great joy in getting this opportunity to talk to that guy that was really cool yeah I I love him with a passion he is one of the most amazing scientists how can people watch that what is where how can they find that what is it uh if you type Hamilton's pharmacopia that's the name of my show on VBS um you can find it on vice.com through the video section if you just look for Hamilton's pharmacopia um but yeah I mean he's in a and I've seen him quite a few times since then and it really is a privilege because his entire methodology is one that's not followed anymore it's like it seems very Antiquated to most young people and even pharmaceutical researchers the idea that that uh anyone would take a drug that they synthesized is ridiculous but that used to be totally normal they used to be the way drugs were developed um the chist who invented Ridin uh took it after he synthesized it and tried it and didn't really get much from it then he gave it to his wife Rita and she loved it and said that it improved her tennis game and so he named it after her Rita Lynn oh wow but that kind of thing was common it improved her tennis game cuz it's essentially like right yeah it's like cocaine or how does that work with kids where it makes them you know kids who are really Rowdy it calms them down how the [ __ ] does that work I mean there's a bunch of different proposed mechanisms that are kind of complicated but um I don't really know how it works that's always been I've I've met a couple kids that are on riddlin it's always been a very dark sort of a moment when you realize that these people are drugging
their kid you know and I don't know if some people need it but I I know some people don't need need it I've seen some kids that are just a little bit Rowdy and they need attention they're not getting it then all a sudden they're pilled up that's a disturbing thing to watch yeah I think it's bound with especially with very young children around High School College age especially when the mom crushed to the down they snort it yeah like in the like in the wonderful Whites of West Virginia the Wild and wonderful Whites they were snorting pills as after right after she gave birth she gave birth she's in the hospital pills you remember that yeah ridiculous maybe I have seen some of this actually dude it's [ __ ] fabulous it's like watching if you you know turned monkeys loose and let them live amongst people how would they live they would live like these people these people are wild they're [ __ ] wild they're like a different breed of human being here you're in here rattling off all this scientific knowledge of neurochemistry and pharmacopia and there's people that could breed with you and they're they're my name Sue is seist one in the family it's amazing it's all going on right now at the same time oh man we had a guy on uh that was talking to us about uh about hunting his name is Steve ranella he was on the last podcast and he was telling us about he was in Africa and in Africa he was hanging out with these people that have to hunt for their food every single day and he was out to to go with them but they have an internet connection they don't really have electricity they have a generator they can turn on for like an hour or two at night but it can't they can't keep it on they can't afford it it's hard get gas out there they have arrows and bows and [ __ ] they've made themselves and yet they check their email and you can friend them on Facebook H that's all going on right now at the same time yeah it's amazing yeah do we get you too high before the show be honest cuz I think I got too high I was high for a while scrambling I was having well it's also I'm I'm so [ __ ] up because I just got back from Brazil so my my brain is on Total Auto hole one of my babies was throwing up last night yeah that sucks all night sad so sad I I I [ __ ] up I I
I flew Southwest which usually I love Southwest but they have that whole number thing like if you check in too late you you're either A B C or D or whatever how many people get on the plane like first they put the A's on then the B's and I did one of those things where you sat yeah I sat uh it was Columbus to uh La uh well Vegas till LA but I sat between two of the fattest people ever and I'm sorry but um they both took up 90% of my my seat so the whole time I'm like this you're in the middle and on the side so it's like a movie yeah it was I mean but I was holding myself like this and you know my my elbow pain that I've been in a while dude I am so jacked from that flight that was the closest thing to torture I've ever been and I couldn't do anything about it you can't well didn't they kick Kevin Smith off yeah how big were these peopley big biger than Kevin Smith well the the the the the guy was bigger than the girl but the problem was the guy uh he had uh so much room to lean on the window but he decided to lean on my side and so the whole time he's like he on my lap almost and the woman was trying to be a little bit nicer about it but she was still you know pretty big so she was like on my uh space like or see that's a human rights issue yeah [ __ ] seats are too goddamn small R whistle for Hamilton Morris would slip right in that's where it P to be slender just like you just go sideways and those fatties couldn't even touch you you'd be like a sheet of paper between pyramid rocks yeah you'd have no problem there should be a whistle for that we have an issue people are getting too [ __ ] fat you know and it's been going on for a long time there's a there's a um image once that I saw online from um the early 1900s and it was uh one of those carnivals and it was the fat man in the carnival like there would be the guy that was the fat man and he was barely fat I mean in comparison to what we consider fat today like some of these people that you see that have to get moved out of their house like they have to cut a hole out and they're attached to the couch because they haven't gotten up they've been [ __ ] where they sit and their fiber their skin has like melted into the [ __ ] chair this is not just one person this is many many many people
have done this it's been a bunch of people they had to cut their [ __ ] house open so they could pull them out attached to their couch you know and this was just you know 1900s 1903 or something sh fat man it was like barely fat it was like barely he was a guy who should go on a diet you know he was like uh not you know Joey Diaz when he was not even at his heaviest like halfway there halfway between Joey so it's like that's just a a short amount of time ago where it was really rare to get that fat mhm it's amazing it's amazing how far Society has slid or how far Humanity has slid when it comes to that our our bodies are like exploding like it's so common to see people just overflowing out of their clothes you know fast food it's corn it's a lot of it corn syrup right isn't there a documentary on that corn is really terrible for your body difficult for it to break down that's how why they feed it the cows and [ __ ] and get them fattened up before you before you slaughter them makes them more delicious yep I don't know used to be diet drugs were easier to obtain as well but that's CH really yeah definitely so you think when well I know one girl I saw I saw one girl was a shitload of weight she lost like 50 60 pounds she went from being kind of chubby to like really hot it was like wo and it happened so quickly and she was on something called fenfen you remember that sure yeah yeah yeah that stuff jacked her though it just just totally short circuited her yeah it's pretty cardiotoxic dangerous man that's crazy yeah so she went right back to her normal weight again was like she was a hot chick for like a year huh that fenfen kept it rocking for like a year but it was just too too nutty you know that's the story with almost every stimulant they've used as a diet drug they used to use methamphetamine they used amphetamine they used phenmetrazine they' used used anything you can imagine any stimulant there there anything that they can sell you to make you think you're going to lose yeah no the stimulants do work and fenfen worked I'm sure and do those things that you see like you know Ripped Fuel and all that [ __ ] are are those are those diet pills are those things effective I don't know
what's in them I mean if they're some of them have weird derivatives of phenethylamine and you know yeah what is all that stuff those are just amino acids is that what it is no they're just probably really weak stimulants uh um you know like phenethylamine is a close derivative of amphetamine just missing one carbon atom and uh and it's illegal so you can just put tons of it into dietary supplements and it produces a shortl lasting stimulant effect it's amazing that that's one of the number one concerns that people have getting rid of fat you know it's a it's a it's a very strange statement when you think about how a society becomes so successful that even when you know people are down in the dumps they're still fat they're still [ __ ] it's like normal it's normal to have excess energy stored away under your skin it's normal to be prepared for for Stu you're [ __ ] stocked up you know in in the the wild days so rare to to become a fat person you know it's a [ __ ] terrible conversation you guys checked out a long time ago I smelled it all this talk about fat you know when you have friends that are overweight and you worry you know after Patrice died especially our friend Patrice O'Neal was a standup comedian just died recently you know you have friends that are overweight and it's just it's like a bomb man you know it's going to go off eventually you don't know what you can do you got to try to diffuse it you try to lead them in the right direction or just enjoy them until they blow up did Patrice O'Neil think that his fatness aided his comedy as well I never had that conversation with him so I could never uh speak of it but he's he was really analytical about his comedy I just think he was also like a guy who wanted to do whatever the [ __ ] he wanted to do right then and there some of the best comedians are also very impulsive people and you know it can be good and bad I know comedians have become impulsive gamblers and they they get addicted to drugs like a lot of them have like really kind of wild and impulsive instincts and that's what makes them funny that that be the first person say [ __ ] shut the [ __ ] up and that was Patrice O'Neal he was the first guy that would say call you on your
[ __ ] the first guy to say shut the [ __ ] up and to be that person that doesn't really like worry about how this is going to come out just fly with it it's like it's a very specific type of personality you know not that many people do it and they that personality is prone to doing a lot of other crazy [ __ ] too that that personality is prone to just eat until they're [ __ ] pass out that personality is prone to do 15 shots you know on a dare that's it's a wild personality that's a personality that's going to go with you to Mexico you know it's like that that's the reason why they're funny so it becomes a you're sad like you see your friend who's really big and you see him eating himself to death and you're like oh what the [ __ ] can I say you can't say anything there's nothing you can do any more than you've already done you're an [ __ ] you tell them you love them you give them a pat on the back if you need help come to the gym I'll work out with you but other than that what the [ __ ] else can you do it's a weird world we live in people are eating themselves to death Hamilton Morris you don't have to worry about that [ __ ] you stay slender with your vegetarian Lifestyle on your B basic alanines whatever various suppes you choose do you do you are you a multivitamin guy you seem like you know so much about the body do you do you take uh supplements I do yeah yeah what do you take big list yeah I bet you do I knew you [ __ ] aren't you concerned about your liver oh yeah well I mean depends on what supplement not all of them have hipat toxicity issues but some of them do yeah hepatotoxicity is I was just about it's not like it's inherently bad to your liver to take vitamins but um it's part of food right I mean that's essentially what it is everything has to go through your liver so yeah I don't that's not a huge worry unless it's something are some in super high doses toxic like what are the ones to avoid fat soluble ones are are like vitamin E um potentially vitamin A as well I don't know it's not something I've done as huge amount of research on but now when you say fat soluble like somebody said that once for uh someone who got caught taking a performance-enhancing drug and one of the the people that was
in his uh Camp said one of the things that [ __ ] him up was that he's too fat and so he can't get it out of his system as quick sure yeah is that really true like it stays in your fat like if you were a lean person you would get it out of your system whereas if you were a person that had you know high percentage of body weight it would remain for longer it's possible yeah I mean that's one of the you know main physical properties of any molecule is that it has different solubilities and different chemicals and some things are lipid soluble and and if it's something like THC and you have a huge amount of fat tissue on your body that the THC can stay in so you're just [ __ ] high all day certain people you're not but you're not getting high off of it it's just lingering in yourself it's not doing anything unless it's in the central nervous system just given you a very mild High just the mildest just Cooks in well they claim that there's like some Reservoir in your spinal fluid or something and if you crack your back the right way that will really gives you a blast of canabo or LSD or something really wow yes there's people that say that I don't think it's true well there's people that say that Kundalini Yoga practice can lead to psychedelic experiences sure yeah have you have you ever experienced that yeah I studied calini yoga for a while and did you ever a trip no no try I I I mean that was one of the ways they tried to sell I had to take it as part of my sports requirement in high school and he took good to Len yoga for sports that's awesome that is awesome holy [ __ ] that's amazing yeah that's great yeah but then they tried to sell it by equating it with a drug experience of some kind and that's why it was so popular in the' 60s for that same reason but I don't really I never achieved any profound state of altered consciousness I have one friend who uh had a a girl that he knew that was a friend of his that uh he actually went on a trip with her they were actually just plutonic friends but they would uh travel together occasionally and she was into like serious caline Yer where she would get up every morning at a very specific time and she would have to face a very specific angle I don't remember what it was was towards the Sun or away from the
sun I don't know what she was doing but she would do these very intense calini exercises for like an hour an hour and 15 minutes an hour and 20 minutes and she did it every day and she claimed that when she did it for long periods of time because she did it so much she could get into like an astral traveling sort of Dimension uh traveling State of Consciousness where she would have psychedelic experiences yeah actually now that I think of it I did have some you do how could you forget that well I mean they weren't exactly the same that wouldn't really you had you've had so many psychedelic experiences for you to have one in yoga like oh yeah I had one in that too but it wasn't really it was like uh yeah you know they they do these breathing techniques Breath of Fire and but for a normal person having an experience like that would be something they would never forget oh my God I did yoga and I had this most incredible Transcendent experience I left my body I became one with the universe for you you're like oh yeah I did that during yoga too so how did it happen how did it go down uh you know you have to follow these different breathing techniques and then hold yourself in some kind of a weird stress position that's extremely exhausting and then your all of your muscles start to vibrate like I was on that machine uh the turbosonic yeah like the turbosonic um so it's like a turbosonic type effect I would say I would compare it more to the turbos Sonic than to LSD wow yeah that's interesting yeah what's the number one uh thing that if you uh had to do it again you would approach with more caution is there any is there any one psychedelic experience it really like three for a loop I mean yeah many have but I think drugs like there certainly are drugs that are more friendly than others and I think five ofmt would be an example of something that has the capacity to be extremely unpleasant if you take it under the wrong circumstances I had a friend completely flip out taking it cuz he he had eaten and so he had to throw up and he got up to throw up and he he got to the sink just in time to throw up but then he was just going crazy talking about rape talking about all kinds of crazy [ __ ] took his shirt
off yeah no I had a friend lose Consciousness and start vomiting and look as if they had died I've seen my friend Doug Stan hope the comedian I thought we lost him he was going like this and little bubbles were coming out of the corner of his mouth and I'm like [ __ ] and I'm hanging out with Doug and I'm just thinking all the chemicals that Doug throws into his body cigarettes and beer and [ __ ] I mean Doug shit's on multivitamins he's taking a multivit get the [ __ ] out of here so I'm like we might have redlined his body with this [ __ ] I was like he just took a big hit and he's he might he might be a goner but he came through it but it was terrifying for a couple of minutes yeah you did Mount the mouth didn't you I almost did make it man I'm just I'm okay make it make it DG so what you what were you saying about that just that you were asking me if there was one that I would approach with caution again in the future you think would be this the scary one probably I mean there there's also just isolated experiences that you can't necessarily connect with this substance you know PE call there's like an shulan takes this oxygenless masculine derivative called desoxy and has goes into a Fugue state where she has a prevailing sense of unreality that lasts for months or something just totally feels like she's in a dream but then I've had friends who also have used unusual substances that have Haven been tested very much and have weird reactions but every even if you ingest the same substance over and over and over again you really don't know exactly what's going to happen with the psychedelics taking the exact same quantity of synthetic psilocybin over and over and over again a year apart every year it will feel completely different every time so I'm always skeptical of people that feel as if they really know the effects of any substance because you it's always completely different well DMT always seemed like he there's so much coming at you and it was coming at you for like 15 minutes like it was almost impossible to bring back anything it was almost impossible to record any of it yeah you know I mean to say that you know that experience my God
you'd have to do that experience so many times just to get a general sense of just looking around and just relaxing and trying to absorb it all trying to like figure out what the [ __ ] is this can I move this around myself like what is this is this is this an organism is this is this the universe is this the wiring of love what what the [ __ ] is going on here it takes so long like you do it and every time you do it you come back back and then you go what the [ __ ] was that and then you go back in again and it's still the same thing for 15 minutes it's just like it's too alien and too crazy there's no way you could ever really truly get a grip on it's not like you can go on a vacation to DMT land you know if you could take a trip you know or you could go somewhere for two weeks and in that two week time you would the entire time you would be going through a DMT trip right yeah then maybe you would kind of get a grip on well then iasa is you know some intermediate between smoking DMT and uh not an intermediate it's just the longest that you can have that experience and even then you don't really it's not if lengthening The Experience gives you some greater understanding of what it is necessarily I don't think it's really any less or more confusing than smoking it it's just a longer duration and then you have people like Gordon Todd Skinner who are hooking themselves up to IV bags filled with DMT right now this is the guy that you wrote about in the what is it called Crystal what Crystal Co yeah but your your article was called high on crystal yeah high on crystal is the name of the video what a [ __ ] crazy story and if you haven't read that this is a must-read the other one the other thing where where you were interviewing shulan was amazing as well but you have to see this this girl was a stripper and she meets this dude who's like this big time LSD manufacturer who has a [ __ ] house in a silo and millions of dollars right's Rich As [ __ ] and he's like the number one LSD guy in the country or so I mean it's all so unclear and this is another example of a story where a lot of people talk about it with an enormous amount of confidence as if they have an understanding of what happened and say oh it's all crystal Cole's fault or it's all X's fault or y's fault but if I've learned anything from researching it
over the course of years it's that absolutely nothing is certain about the story it's incredibly complicated and and there's so much conflicting information for absolutely every element of the story that um that you have to be very careful about talking about what happened with certainty but there was this lab and uh and they did lure Crystal coal into it and she did become a part of it um she took DMT anally dude yes that's amazing yeah what a everyone was crazy girl the shamanic colonic woo it's just hotter that she did it yeah it's way hotter than she did I don't want to know that Fat Sweaty [ __ ] her stuck it up his ass I don't even care about that I did it too Joe I'll show you I don't care know it's an amazing story though man this this uh this girl escaped right and then the the dude came after and kidnapped her and some other dude they escaped together to get away from this [ __ ] crazy guy and it turns out the guy was working with the FBI or the DEA so this number one LSD dealers working with the DEA yeah and had been for quite some time damn yeah you know that reminds me of a story do you know who Whitey buer is yes you know that story then I'm from massachusett that's right you're from Massachusetts what an amazing story for people who don't know Whitey buer was the head of the Irish mob and he was also working for the FBI so if you turned whitey buer in Whitey Bulger would know from the FBI first of all they wouldn't arrest him and then he would go kill you and that's really how it ran I mean they really did run it like that and you find that out and you go that is amazing this is essentially along the same lines yeah and things like this have been happening for a long time both in the US and internationally uh you know there's the Iran contras with this whole Scandal about them pumping cocaine into ghettos in America to yeah create the crack problem I don't know that it's necessarily true but it's a theory that a lot of people have and the same thing happened in South Africa with with meth aquone with Quaaludes there was this whole project called project Coast where they were synthesizing massive quantities of MDMA and Quaaludes in order to weaponize them for crowd control supposedly so then they were pumping them all into the
streets and now the MDMA weapons yeah is a crowd control oh my God so you'd blast the crowd with ecstasy yeah it's called project coost what a brilliant idea where do I sign up dude that's like my bit about how to calm down the Middle East I had a bit I did about sending crop duster planes just [ __ ] cover the Middle East with chronic smoke for just weeks and then come down well I mean they did that as well actually weaponized THC they did at um at that that's the craziest James ketchum's that's the craziest s ever weaponized THC yeah they called it like red oil or something that was like the code name for it what does it do you spray it on people and they become High yeah exactly that's hilarious Edwood Arsenal that's the name of it um yeah and it probably I mean that was the it was thought of as an improvement because it's a non-lethal incapacitating agent and you know if you have a choice between shooting someone and dusting them with THC that's amazing I can't believe that was a real product absolutely yeah what else can they dust you with MDMA THC and they tried LSD as well I mean the problem is also that they're physical properties of these different drugs that limit their their ability to travel through the air or to maintain their potency when they're laid on surfaces around the soil LSD is pretty in it's not a stable molecule so when they were trying to weaponize it one of the problems was just it didn't aerosolize well it didn't last on Surface as well and then they settled on bz because they thought it was a better chemical weapon bz what is bz it's a anti-cholinergic drug and like Jacob's Ladder the movie Jacob's Ladder is about yeah really yeah so they really were trying to make LSD and use it as a weapon absolutely yeah what was the idea what was it going to do to the Troops just make them disoriented and you just take them well yeah I mean can you imagine if you discovered if you didn't know anything about psychedelics at all and you discovered LSD and they they tried absolutely everything they could with it they tried to see if they could use it as a truth serum they tried to see if they could use it to you know they tried to both good and bad uses there were scientists using it
to increase their intelligence and then there were people trying to yeah use it as to make people insane to reprogram people's brains that was the large part of MK Ultra was about you know manipulating people's minds using psychedelics and sensory deprivation and things like that and it was just crazy trial and error by murderers yeah that's how they did it trial and error by like Nixon's people make it into a steam could you imagine man trial and error with LSD by Nixon's people yeah supposedly the word trip comes from that's like FBI lingo from when they were doing the experiments that's really wow the scariest thing that I ever heard connected to any psychedelic experiences that was that Timothy liry was connected or not Timothy ly um uh the unib bobber Ted kazinski was connected to uh some studies at Harvard and he had done like some classified LSD studies oh yeah and they you know they they tweaked a lot of people's [ __ ] heads and then he went back to Berkeley taught math for a few years till he got enough money to buy that cabin to take on the technology yeah they might have fried that dude's brain I they were lobotomizing people they were doing just unbelievable I don't know if you're familiar with the book acid dreams but yeah they did every imaginable thing they' hook up people to IVs with a stimulant like amphetamine in one wrist and you're the second person in a week that's recommended acid dreams I have to go get that now at least read the first half of it what is so it's all about MK Ultra different experiences that they tried to impart on people with LSD and it's about yeah all all these attempts to weaponize LSD and to use it as a truth serum and MK Ultra I'm buying it right now Jesus it's it's you know it's an old book it's been around since the ' 80s you've heard of uh there was a uh it's supposedly an urban myth but a French town that they dosed LSD is that true yeah it is true so they true think they did it and that's and that's more recent research that came up in the last maybe in the Last 5 Years I'd read it and then I I had read a Counterpoint that said it was [ __ ] because you can't even get acid to work in bread like that it wouldn't maintain itself is that true yeah it wouldn't it would not survive the heating but they could have added it
afterwards and they supposedly they I mean you know sure so wouldn't they have to be I mean how would you go about getting that acid into the bread you'd have to get a CIA guy who works there and just just [ __ ] with everybody's bread and squirts it out go ahead eat that I guess so it doesn't seem I mean you could spray bread with LSD yeah it was just it was an interesting argument when I when I heard because I had assumed that it was true and I was like saying like wow look what they found and then I saw this Counterpoint to it and I was like oh okay is it possible that they could have created a more stable form of LSD or could it be some other psychedelic that would have similar effects that would be stable sure yeah absolutely I mean there's there's plenty of psychedelics that uh they were testing at that time that are more stable than LSD LC is unusually instable um but uh but yeah I think that I think that and you know they recovered some communication between two operatives and they said like did you finish the mission with the DL amide or something they didn't specifically say LSD but they used some abbreviated form so it's not conclusive but I think that there's strong evidence that that happened you would think that if they knew that it would have monstrous effects they would have to know whether or not there's something that they can monetarily I think they didn't know they wanted to know yeah they wanted they wanted expan it seems so like such a powerful thing to have you're going to find out what it's capable of you're not going to just let it go you're going to have to like try to crack the code right and apparently they were like spraying it into the New York Subway system they were that's crazy no it's oh they had an entire CIA whouse where they would taking oh yeah operation midnight climax that was in San Francisco and New York they had two different whouses that's an amazing St I love that story you got to Google that folks cuz it's amazing they ran brothel where they dose dudes poor guy just going in there for some sexual relief just something to just take his take his mind off his horrible day you would you like a drink honey he's like yeah just said Jack and Coke would do me great Jack and Coke with acid oh
no what the [ __ ] man they really didn't know then I mean they probably had an idea but there was these you know anthropological reports of what Indians do when take peyote but they had no idea how just some businessman well apparently they started doing it once they stopped uh getting uh people that are willing to sign up for their for the um voluntary tests that too many people were getting [ __ ] up by the tests so this is what I had read is that they they' switch to dosing people when they ran out of volunteers huh I would imagine they would have had volunteers especially later on in these programs and they were becoming publicly known substances but yeah a lot of the early research there's a book called uh drugs and fantasy where it's just people being dosed with PCP and I think the France one was like 51 or something like that wasn't it was something yeah it's really terrifying to think that they actually did do that you believe it though yeah I do this D the whole town let's see what happens yeah nuts You' seen you've seen the videos of them dousing soldiers right you've seen them like I believe it was the English army yeah they're just wandering around it's amazing yeah people died in there French Town it was didn't they commit suicide people jumped off Bridges I mean I guess it's the same kind of stuff that happens today with psychedelics where certain people respond badly and want to jump off of things do you um support the theory that that was the cause of the Salem witch trials and all that stuff that it was an Urgot infection may you know that story do you know that story um I know that they claim that witch brooms were an Implement for vaginally administering Scopolamine and natur and all these different delirium Jesus Christ vaginally Distributing with a pole yeah that seems so crude and uncreative that's one idea but I don't know about Urgot in wiches no wow what is it um it's um it's it's um a fungus apparently oh yeah I know about it and apparently it has some psychoactive effects yeah and they thought you get like a poisoning from it and it can give you some sort of a psychoactive effect and they thought it was responsible for witchcraft yeah they thought it could have been been
responsible for people that thought they were experiencing magic and they were hallucinating they were you know getting [ __ ] up and you know and they could have started blaming it on women which is what you do when you you can't get laid so you're all [ __ ] up on this crazy bread this Urgot you know apparently you've never heard of Urgot being psychoactive oh absolutely yeah it is yeah and that's where what is the uh effect like what is the effect of Urgot like um well it contains just a variety of these different ergoline substances but there's lysergic acid amide and um and and they were used medically for for a very long time that was the reason that lstd was discovered is because they were using these isolating different alkaloids from Urgot scleria and trying to see if they had some use in in preventing postpartum bleeding in pregnant women and yeah so it wasn't they weren't investigating psychoactive drugs they had some interest in using them as potential analeptics like drugs to reduce fatigue and that was this one neut Tropic hydrogene was produced by Albert Hoffman in the course of that study but they certainly weren't looking for anything like LSD wasn't LSD yeah there was there was some some people that they were looking for something to make women more fertile or something along those signs what the [ __ ] did I read to to something that would encourage women to ovulate is that true did I read nonsense I don't know I mean it happens all the time out of my head I hate that I hate when I have a thought that I I can't wrap my head around there's too much goddamn information online yeah but that happens all the time in in medical Rey to wow that's the story of Viagra probably a j to keep them to stop them bitching women yeah Brian that's what it is let me ask you this because you're a rational guy that does this stuff you're obviously very well read you know what you're talking about clearly when you have an intense psychedelic experience and when you experience what seems to be something that is not you something that you're interacting with that does not appear to be the imagination it could be I don't know but a lot of people a lot of people have interesting opinions a lot of people that have seen real
intense psychedelic Visions have very interesting opinions and you you might be the most psychedelically traveled person I've ever met in my life so that's a perfect combination for you to be the guy that answers that question what the [ __ ] is going on when you have an intense psychedelic experience is it just chemicals perturbing your natural brain State what what do you think Isen I think it is but saying just chem chemicals is already kind of problematic because chemical everything is just chemicals just chemicals is absolutely everything you ever experience and remember and have ever lived so everything is a chemical phenomenon Consciousness is a chemical phenomenon the fact that we're able to perceive any of this that we're able to have this conversation right now it's all an amazing chemical interaction so I don't see the need to bring in any kind of Supernatural interpretation of the phenomena because it just is not necessary in the same reason that I don't see the need to bring in a supernatural interpretation of the universe or or of anything else or even ghosts you know you can look at if you look at a ghost haunting you can look at it two ways you can say oh this was a weird Supernatural experience or you can say this was a really weird moment of Psychopathology and what psychological mechanism made this person so afraid that they hallucinated and thought they heard something or thought they saw another being which is equally fascinating if not more fascinating or there's a dude who didn't get enough attention from his parents who pretends to see ghosts is in the basement watching [ __ ] with night vision yeah that could be the case too yeah I mean I almost feel like that's the like the Lesser interpretation it's the easy way it's much easier to say oh they're aliens that's very simple whereas if you actually wonder what is the true biochemical basis of this phenomenon it's an incredibly complicated question and it won't have a simple answer but that's why it's a worthwhile question do you believe that it's possible that taking something along the lines of DMT or any really intense psychedelic actually opens up some sort of a door to another dimension Another Place Another existence something you can experience
another frequency another station on the dial I think other dimensions of yourself certainly I don't know that there's another physical Dimension that you are accessing I wouldn't I don't see any reason to believe in that I think there's enough inside of all of us to account for that so you think that when you have uh this incredible like massive visual experience it's all an imaginatory thing it's not like your Consciousness travels to a place or tunes into a frequency no I don't think that so you think it's just a a chemical reaction but an incredibly fascinating complicated chemical interaction well I'm not I'm not I'm absolutely not arguing with you I'm not sold on what the hell it is and i' I've had that argument with people that are really almost like they almost proze about the experience to the point where they you know it's they're talking about it like as if it's a religious uh religious definite you know this is what happens this is what happens and I've always said you know maybe it's possible but it's also possible it's just crazy chemicals but it doesn't mean it's not spiritual if people have spiritual benefit that's fine it doesn't mean that they don't have they can't have a religious experience or they can't interpret it however they want but I I sure the interaction is beautiful the interaction is beautiful it doesn't have to be otherworldly for it to be divine you know the interaction is beautiful it could set you off on another Direction rewire your board I mean how many people have you ever talked to that have had a a big psychedelic experience and totally stopped doing pills or totally stop smoking cigarettes or just completely rewire their life because of one like emphatic psychedelic rewiring yeah absolutely absolutely and uh but yeah I just think that do you think I'm sorry go ahead well anyway just the just chemical thing it's just something to be careful with when interpreting things because the sun is just chemical everything is just chemical I'm too dumb to be talking about any of this in the first place so I'm just trying to skate by with what limited knowledge I have but I want to pick your brain so when you experience
like really profound um wisdom in um in psychedelic states where you have like you know this almost feeling of being analyzed and like seen through and shown all your flaws and all your craziness and then you you have this sort of like a reset thing you kind of get a new Fresh perspective of your place in the world and how you're what kind of an energy what kind of vibe you're putting out you think that that's all maybe internal that's all maybe imagination or is it is there the potential that there is some sort of a another intelligence out there there's some sort of a thing that you can tune into some sort of uh that we we're connected to but we don't access on a regular basis is that possible or is it silly I don't think that it's I there's no reason for me to believe that that is possible but I think that there's all kinds of things within us that we don't currently acknowledge and understand I mean shulan both shulan and Timothy ly talked about this idea you know there's there's all this non-coding DNA that's sometimes called Junk DNA or intral DNA and uh and although it it doesn't they were probably wrong about this it doesn't contain any kind of like instinctual evolutionary knowledge but but there was they were using it as an example like what if all this non-coding DNA contains instinctual ancient knowledge that we're able to access while we're on psychedelics um but maybe not with specifically with the non-coding DNA but with parts of the brain with who knows what sorts of things are stored within us that we don't know how to access I I think that this is actually a Scientologist idea but I think that there's some truth the idea that we remember absolutely everything that we experience that it's all in there somewhere you just need the right Catalyst to remove that piece of information wow that's amazing well sometimes someone will bring something up and then all of a sudden a file will open up in your head and you're like yeah that guy where is he what's he been doing like boom all of a sudden some person who you you I could have come up to you do you know of uh Bruce baa and you'd be like no I have no idea who that is but then somebody shows you a picture and says you remember this guy second
grade remember and you're like whoo yeah click click all of a sudden the files open and you'll remember several experiences you might have had with that person it's almost like we don't have enough room for all the [ __ ] we're saying we just put stuff in shitty hard drives and stuff it in the closet and then every now and then it comes out right I mean it's like an indexing problem the information is there but we don't always know how to access it you remember that show taxi um I'm familiar with it Mary L Henner remember the very attractive redhead woman that was on that show no she's got some crazy memory thing she was on Stern Show she can remember everything she has an insane memory like she can tell you like you can tell her you know June 13th 1976 what were you wearing she's like I was wearing a blue dress and because I was on my way to this and that it was and she she she can tell you like what what temperature it was outside she can tell you everything she remembers everything yeah no it is possible it's very much in you know the size of a normal head those things are possible we don't need giant brains yeah the size of a normal head she's not even a nut like she's like a normal person like you if you talk to her she sounds normal it doesn't sound like some maladjusted person with some Incredible Gift she's not like a Rainman she like a normal human being yeah there's and there's lots of these pists that are capable of of those sorts of of uh just mind Feats but uh and one interesting thing about the num monist is they all seem to have synesthesia at least the ones that I've read about and uh so when they remember something it's a visual memory and an auditory memory and all and all their memories are cross-linked over multiple sensory modalities so it's like uh and then and then there's a lot of research in the 70s about potentially using psychedelics as cognitive enhancers and I think that's one way that they could function is by encouraging this type of synesthetic thinking where you're uh experiencing everything through multiple senses and indexing information through multiple senses simultaneously what do you think about the controversial stoned ape Theory oh well I don't think there's any evidence for it but that's like a lot of
tanman kind of stuff I like it I think it's interesting and worthwh and funny and good SE yeah it's good I'm glad that he said everything that he said I don't agree with it a lot of it but uh some of it's a little wonky yeah a lot of it is but it's but so much fun yeah it's good it's all good yeah and even the stuff that's wonky I'm always like willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that I just don't see how he's seing it and that's you know that's most science anyway it's just people coming up with theories and and models and trying to then prove the model so he came up with a modeler theory that was wrong there's nothing bad about that he just the stoned ape theory is it wrong as far as like uh the time frame of of history and development like cuz that's what I've I think I read that I think that I read that he got his his eror is wrong or something um I don't think there's any evidence that primates eat mushrooms maybe I'm wrong about that I don't know that I don't think that I think the evidence that he was relying on for that theory that uh either it was LSD or psilocybin increases visual Acuity I don't think that that's been definitively proven that science even though it was published in a prestigious Journal at the time I'm not sure all that research was methodologically sound you know what the how the study worked you know what they did they had like two uh sticks they were in parallel lines and then they would have someone turning one stick on the other side extremely slowly to the point where they would not no longer be parallel and it was who could recognize it the first and the stone people recognized it more than the non-stone people so his uh his joke was that maybe being stoned you see the world better than it really is or or better than you can When You're Sober rather yeah I mean it hasn't really been studied very extensively so even though it was published it could have been horeshit like you it would have to be replicated a few times yeah I think it would be yeah um I I that seemed like a weird one too because like who's going to take a little dose you know if you're going to have mushrooms you're going to blast off I just I don't see it being like to the point where you're going to take like little tiny doses of it so you can see better you know if you have the
Blast Off thing you're not going to be saying like well what if I just don't Blast Off what if I just nibble nibble nibble so I can barely feel it who's going to do that to go hunting that's ridiculous or maybe they didn't even know that you could blast out for a while it's same thing with Salvia people didn't realize until the '90s until they started extracting it and making those extracts publicly available people didn't really know they you know they chew it and they say oh yeah it is active but they couldn't really characterize the effect until they had concentrated the the Salvador and a it is a trip that they look like dinner plates it's a trip that they just grow out of the ground they look like hey look at me you know when mushrooms grow I mean like there's a green field this green grass and this white thing just like here I am it's like asking you to eat it I mean if there's anything that's ever ask you it's a polite and subtle color I'm white I'm so Bland don't even worry just come over and take a bite I mean and the idea that that you know they might have actually not even been from this planet they might have come here and asteroidal impacts sure yeah you know that's the my favorite one that's the my favorite sexy Theory yeah you know there was another Mech Theory right where or he he supported it the idea that U he said you would know this he said that um psilocybin there was no other U plant that was like that had the four and the phosphorus position or no other uh no other life form you know fungus that had that it was the only one yeah the for Hydrox silation is unusual there's a lot of five in the plant kingdom um but the four is unusual is there are there other ones sides um not that I can think of off the top of my head in mushrooms there's beon and nor boson things like that his theory was that that had come from an asteroidal impact that spores could survive in a vacuum that we know the building blocks of life and amino acids possibly came here from outer space Maybe mushrooms yeah that that was idea when you eat them they're communicating with you yeah gued that they'll get us to yeah oh yeah he would buy the guide
totally he mean that's what made him write the time wave zero novelty theory he he you know they told him that he had to do it you know could you imagine how annoying it would be every time you went on a trip you know you get some [ __ ] alien mushroom people telling you you got to write a theory you got to write some biological Theory Brian you could not look any more bored I'm just listening from now on four hits and that's it I'm cutting you off at four you went to five and you can't handle five you think you can um so we got over the stone Dae Theory what else did I want to ask you uh alien life yes or no again I mean all these things there just isn't enough evidence either way and I know that's like a boring answer in some ways but I just you know people say like it's always huge news when they find an extra Solar Planet that might be able to support earthlike life um but so far they've never found anywhere in the known universe a single planet that we could live on without a suit for a minute um so that's not really that encouraging ultimately I like but then when you also factor in the enormity of the universe then of course I think it's possible absolutely I think it's possible I just don't see at this specific moment in history any reason to think that in the part of the universe that we've observed there's any life what do you think of the theory that life does not come here in a physical sense but comes here through your mind and that what psychedelics are is really like gateways to communicate with other life forms and that we we hung up on the idea that something has to actually be right there to talk to you um this Theory the theory is that psychedelics open up some sort of a Gateway that allows you to communicate with aliens that's the only aliens that there are the aliens only exist in this this when you you take a psychedelic you can communicate with it you can enter into some sort of a a frequency that the alien is on that's the only way they get here they don't get here through metal ships that's all just craziness and that alien contact only comes through psychedelic use I mean it's an interesting
idea to what end when you have your hand like this it's very dismissive that's an interesting idea I believe I forget whose idea that was but there was a God damn it wouldn't the aliens be bored by whatever they watch when they're in our body I don't know it might have been McKenna's idea as well yeah he had a lot of nutty ones about about mushrooms pretty sure it was him but his idea was that it was an alien life for him and that that's how you would you would communicate with it he didn't think it was going to come here in metal ships he thinks it was going to come here through the frequency that you would achieve a heavy duty psychedelic state so that he believe he believed he was really encountering something else you don't believe that you don't no you believe that it's just just the deepest facets of your imagination or is there a AIC records like do you believe in any of that what is that the aashik AIC AIC or aashik I know the idea that there's knowledge and information out there and you just tune into it and that there's a a record of information that like literally exists that you can just tune into and this is where creativity comes from the other in creativity when you achieve the the Zen state of being completely in the moment these ideas would just come to you the idea is that these ideas are not just the firing of your synapses the accumulation of your life experiences but in fact you are pulling from a well of information that's out there that you can't quite recognize on a regular basis and that there's there's knowledge inherent to to the world yeah and I think it's called the aashik or AIC records is the idea behind it it's almost like taking account to there it's almost like a a crude way of explaining why we don't understand creativity while you know we don't understand the the state of mind to achieve the proper creativity is like this Zen accepting sort of like when I'm in the zone like when you're writing something you know how you have great writing I read a bunch of [ __ ] you you write some really beautiful lines you know how sometimes they just sometimes you're banging them out but sometimes they're just flowing it's almost like they're coming out of you like you you go into like this Zen State and like oh that just came to me like there here's
this thing some people believe that the what you're doing is by being really creative you're tuning in to intell you're tuning into ideas and that the the human body and it's managing its Consciousness is really just managing a radio right I mean yeah there's a lot of that but I find all of those ideas kind of Hy well just ultimately disempowering because they deemphasize the agency that human beings have in in creating oh we can't create our brains are not sufficient to create we need to tune into some kind of a record that creates for us um it's it's like sort of a religious idea as well that that there's like a god that that that gives us some kind of power I think that's a pattern in a lot of these ideas is that they try to remove power from the individual and place it in some kind of intangible realm that we can access through being Pious or through following some set of rules um but ultimately I don't want to buy into any of those ideas I I find that um I completely agree with you and that I think that a big part of it is that people do better with creative endeavors when they're humble and so it's sort of a way of uh not taking credit for what they're doing and just tuning into the right creative frequency and sometimes that creative frequency the best way to do it is just give it up to like a higher power sure and that's not to say that it doesn't help people in the same way that religion even if it's wrong helps an enormous number of people well I've always said that it's a great operating system for a lot of people and it really does enhance their life there's a lot of people that for whatever reason I don't know whether it's their uninspired or whether they have you know brains that don't function at the right RPMs or whatever it is but if you give them uh some sort of an ideology they can live a happy life but if you left them alone in the sea of doubt and and the unknown they could go down any path they could they could wind up a mess they could wind up depressed they can wind up [ __ ] up they can wind up in a cult you give them a happy religion they'll just live 70 happy years die be happy that they know know they're going to go to heaven and everything's cool it's almost like it's a it's an effective operating system and at the end we we're really not exactly
sure how much of this [ __ ] thing we're controlling with our mind we're really not there's a lot of Doubt on that there's a lot of Doubt as to like how much of life is truly random and how much of it is really created by the energy you put out your imagination your your actions and your Deeds what the [ __ ] is really going on is it 100% physical or is there some is there some manifestation that the imagination takes part in we don't really necessarily know there's people that always good things are constantly happening to them and they're always in great moods and they they seem to perpetrate that same energy forward and you know you look at people like that and you wonder like how much of that is is them how much of that have they just figured out how to roll this thing and figured out how to create reality have they figured out how to just ride this thing correctly is it possible yes I it is right absolutely yeah you're one of the most experienced guys I think I've ever come across as far as Altered States Of Consciousness and you're not an old guy how old are you what are you 30 2 24 Jesus Christ son I was going to say you're 30 you're you're a hard 24 kid we seen him on the Apple commercial you were really young in that one someone just sent me that that's crazy dude you're way too smart to be 24 that's scary it is that's fascinating man when I was 24 I spoke in grunts for the most part that's amazing man wow you um have yeah you you must to be the most experienced person never met right never met anybody more experienc in this guy I don't know I actually don't know all the stuff he's really done what do you take out of it man do you are you happy that you had all those experiences it changed you who you are absolutely yeah way I think it's good I think just experimentation in general is important can everybody handle it probably not no probably not right probably not but I how do you fix that that's a very very complicated question it's a good one though because you get a problem with some guys are good worker right I think it requires Johnny was good with the landscaping business so that [ __ ] Hamilton Morris got him on acid sure yeah know and i' I've had close friends that dropped out of society for whatever reason because they started to find it pointless and it's
difficult to argue with that if someone really genuinely feels that way but um I think there's just sort of an infantilizing gen generally disempowering idea in Psychiatry and throughout society that we are not in control of ourselves we go we see a doctor the doctor is the expert on our mind and our body and they tell us what's wrong they know us better than we know ourselves even after only talking to us for five minutes and uh so if you go to a psychiatrist and you say I'm having trouble working it may be depressed I may have ADHD what do you think I should do I think that Aderall would help me that's immediately suspicious because you think they you already know too much about what you need they want you to go in as an infant that so they can tell you what you need I I believe that you have there's some emphasis or some there's some impact at the imagination and your thinking and your energy has on life but I also believe there's a lot of random [ __ ] too I don't think it's an either or I think it's a combination of you interacting with all these other people that are also creating their own realities at the same time and that you can have you know you can all tune into a good frequency and perhaps you know create a good community and I think that's what people try to do in trimes and [ __ ] like that but at the end of the day you're still dealing with random [ __ ] like the idea that you blame people for [ __ ] diseases or for being attacked by barbarians you know is was that in the secret you know did the secret work back then did they manifest these barbarians to come over the hills and and and and chop people up with swords back in the Conan days no right this you can't say it's completely nobody would ask for that nobody would create that in their own imag imagination for their for themselves so it's not it's not that you are completely in control of your destiny but it seems like you have at least some sort of influence with energy with your imagination and with you know the things that you create and the the environment that you set up I think that's one of the most important things that I've ever learned from psychedelics absolutely yeah and just being in a mindset to try new things whatever whether they're chemical or experiential
or whatever um I think but cautiously try too ciously you're I mean obviously you didn't find out all this information about it after you've tried all these things you know you knew that going in yes what's the one thing that you ever did you're like oh boy here we go in what way in like like this might be a slippery one oh God a slippery one I mean I've had a few slippery ones in my day but uh I think a lot of the really potent psychedelics have have the ability to induce Terror if you're too high of a dose I've had that happen with both DMT and cocy been um so just so many so many different occasions but let me I've never had anything where I well actually I have yes I have I've had a few kind of close to what I would consider overdose of psychedelics where the dose is just so high that I think there might be some physical toxicity um but but with those sorts of cases um it's very difficult to differentiate between what is motivated by fear you know a lot of people even when they're sober they'll they'll Panic or be uncomfortable and think they're having a heart attack but it's just a panic attack or it's not even a panic attack um you know the the mind is so informed by the body that especially in a psychedelic state that it's very difficult to say what uh if you're drinking iasa and suddenly your heart starts beating fast is your heart beating fast because you're scared or are you scared because your heart is beating fast and which do you concentrate on the heart or the fear first in order to calm yourself down wow yeah and you might be thrown a puzzle that you can't wrestle with yeah and it's it just runs you over it's just too much and you're just there in utter fear and Terror until slowly leaves your system yeah I overdosed when I ate that one bad shrim chirp you know like 6 months ago I mean I couldn't walk my my legs would not work I they would they were failing well yeah that s he he got over seven gram know it was that's a lot too much and that's just a guess that was over seven it could be way more than that you know yeah you you're silly you went too hard son that's not it's not necessary yeah did you come back well or did you come back [ __ ] up it took me a while like a day a good 24 hours after to I felt 100% but didn't you learn
something from the experience uh yeah my wall was like or my bathroom is like Tron the original Tron if you two had a conversation I'd say which one of these is 24 and which one of these is almost is almost 50 how old are you now 37 37 37 he's 37 and you're 24 you see that and he votes too I took Molly the other day and uh it was Molly said the MDMA yeah and it was uh very I've noticed something recently doing shrooms and and it happened for some reason with Molly this last time so it makes me wonder how much of it was really Molly but uh I could see so much better when I'm on a psychedelic like like it seems like my eyes work you know cuz your pupils are bigger so you're probably Vision no I mean like brighter I mean I mean everything's a lot brighter though like I can almost see in the dark yeah and it makes me and I had this thing I was thinking of like like it it would be weird if like all the [ __ ] that you see when you're shrooming is there all the time but your eyes adjust to this certain lightness or the certain level of being open that you see it more when you're on shroom so like like when you're seeing like you're looking at your hand you're seeing like this crazy [ __ ] all around it like these like like vines that are growing over it what if like that shit's there all the time but you're just like focusing in on that layer of uh you know brightness or if it was Morris we throw to you is that possible Sur the only one here qualified to answer that I would say if I had an answer for you poppycock is that what you're about to say it was just one of the things I thought of wild on Molly because I was looking like geez I can see in the dark right now before he ansers let's make a b let's make a b cuz I say he says it's [ __ ] what do you say it's just a theory it's a what if no one knows I would probably say no it's your brain just shutting down going crazy if I had to you got to support your own the no no I'm just saying it's if I don't I'm not [ __ ] I'm just saying what do you think he would think oh I would say I'm not saying he's even right I would say he would be exactly what he says on everything you know like it's all [ __ ] he takes the safe road which is what I do I like I'm not going to [ __ ] well he takes the scientific route I take the scientific route I go
angels and unicorns I'm looking for bigfoot bro I'm always looking for bigfoot but I know I'm looking for bigfoot I know I really want Bigfoot to exist but I don't think he does right but I really want him to you know what I mean right I mean and you don't see see any nothing exists in the first place none of this is colored or has any nothing actually looks the way we perceive it reality is a sensory phenomenon and so to say what things are actually like is already problematic because it's a sensory experience so how you yeah that is fascinating isn't it it's almost impossible for people to really wrap their heads out that your mind puts that red in that picture your mind puts the dark in someone's hair your your your interpretation of the world I you know and then that's the total Stoner Talk would man if like the color blue like what does it look like to you man when you see the sky what does it look like you we really don't know we do know that it is different for some people really how different well I mean there's this you know of like linguistic relativity and color naming there's like been a lot of scholarly Research into the issue where certain primitive societies have fewer names for colors and so they'll they'll only have black and white and that will Encompass black will Encompass like red and blue and white will be yeah so it's not cross-culturally defined in any way dude it must suck to get your car painted there get your car painted in the jungle I asked for blue this is red you [ __ ] they're like same [ __ ] that should be the end of the podcast right there because we just all lost complete total enthusiasm I don't even know how we got onto the subject of the color where where didd that come from he was saying that he saw Vines crawling all over oh yeah the interpretation of things around us I love Mai though and I think it's one of the most beautiful drugs ever and is it illegal it's totally legal but Joe have you you have you done it no I've only done MDMA and I only did it once you take your wife to Hawaii you sit on the beach and you do two each and you just sit there and you will [ __ ] have the most beautiful time in the whole entire world and you're going to have a reset you're going to be so you and your
wife are going to connect in a way that you've never had since You' started dating and it's it's it's it's going to be amazing it will it's I highly recommend it more than anything wow you you're like a little love I love it it's the best you're like a Little Love Bug you're so happy now P Molly you will have the time of your life Hamilton Morris you're uh a young fellow um how do you uh find a a mate that can deal with any of this talking and conversation how do you how you at 24 years old guy or girl I don't know if you're gay or straight but how do you find anybody to hang out with that you would you know I mean at your age man you start off looking in trees or do you just 24y old chicks man I'll tell you right now it's going to be a tough conversation at dinner yeah well I don't I don't know very many people that are interested in the scientific element I have a few close friends who are scientists who I talk with about this kind of stuff so when you date how do you you know what did you do at work today and you start talking about fol alanines and all this different crazy [ __ ] do you have girls do their their eyes glaze over or do they uh do they look to you for I mean it depends on what their academic background is but yeah I would say most people are not interested in that sort of thing unless you I'm trying to phrase this as nice as possible without actually saying it but you must get mad amounts of Stoner [ __ ] at least thrown at you at least oh come on man you're like a you're an online Stoner hero type dude they must those chicks must launch it at you you don't use the Twitter enough I don't yeah maybe today's the day that I start Hamilton Morris one one let one name right no space yeah yeah he's got one tweet but if you're going to have one tweet this is the [ __ ] tweet to have what was what was your Tweet you have one uh amazing tweet what is your one tweet do you remember not off the top of my head it's a pastor quote a second trying to find it man Brian why don't you talk while I'm trying to find this uh hey please vote for me on the shorty Awards go to
desk.top of it click on vot for me I'm getting beat by a WWE wrestler that has half a million hits so I won't win but it just makes me feel happy that I'm in second place at least Hamilton Morris only has one tweet and this is it in the realm of scientific observation luck is granted only to those who are prepared it's brilant you're going to have one quote by the way I think that quote's kind of hacky because there's uh there's a couple versions that are out there you know somebody somebody [ __ ] ganked this quote who you know luck is only granted those prepared you know success is when luck meets preparation that's like an old that's the oldest quotation ever they just doctored that [ __ ] up and made it fancy yeah they made it sound they're a little profound a little more profound but really basically they duck they doctored an old saying up those [ __ ] but if you're going to have one quote that's it dude and I like how you didn't even use quote marks or you did use a period though you used a period all right yeah maybe should attribute it to someone but it's easy enough yeah they should figure it out right you didn't that yourself did you better burn out than fade away like de leopard I don't know did he say that Hamilton Morris this has been their worst podcast we've ever had but it's only because of us really you were amazing every time we called upon you your questions were great we just got Brian a little too stoned hey it's all my fault I got a little too stoned and uh it threw us off a little but uh it was fascinating man you uh you don't have to turn the music on didn't mean to do that let him pump up his [ __ ] man I know I was going to put um so if if people want to watch any of your stuff um it's Hamilton's pharmacopia that's right yeah that's what it is ince magazine and then pharmacopia on VBS is there any one site that's the best place to access all your stuff uh Vice is the main place I usually post new things on my blog also Harper's magazine so they should Google it right yeah but not today cuz Google's down [ __ ] is it no it's up Wikipedia's down Wikipedia's down the protesting soapa yeah they're trying to take it folks they know they know the end is near good for them they know good
for who bro people people rising up big corporations like Google and uh Wikipedia for uh standing up for this [ __ ] well I heard it's dead I heard that the bill is dead as it stands but they're going to try to rework it I don't know it's terrifying does this bother is it must terrify you I mean you you're on the internet constantly and you're doing illegal [ __ ] yeah I mean it could have some implications yeah the idea that they can just come in and take down your site at their discretion and this is right after the ND uh AA National defense authorization Act passed which is another terrifying thing that they can just arrest you they don't have to have a warrant just we we're we're in weird times man they're coming after your dual cassette recorders guys they're coming after your flashlight so buy another one go to CH rogan.net and click on the link for the Fleshlight enter on the code name Rogan and you'll get 15% off the number one sex toy forment Hamilton Morris if you want I can have some shipped to you you don't have to say anything on air just wink twice you're good okay shipment on the way no worries it's an effective masturbation product ladies and gentlemen it's a weird subject it's much like psychedelics it's really uh underappreciated uh it's physical uh maintenance I think I think it's good the body needs to be able to breede as often as possible and uh that's too distracting you don't want to involve all these different people in your life and have sex with them get yourself a Fleshlight kids it's it's not that expensive they last a long time as long as you don't do what Brian does them and fist them turn them inside out shows going on anyway go to Jo rogan.net and click on the link for the fleslight enter in the code named Rogan you'll get 15 off your number one trck St from me thank you to hit.com o nnit t makers of Alpha Brain new mood shroom Tech sport trro Tech immune all that good [ __ ] if you go to Joe rogan.net click on the alphabrain logo enter in the code name Rogan you get 10% off thank you Hamilton Morris for coming down and please start using Twitter you're too [ __ ] cool to not be on Twitter we want to pump you up please follow Hamilton Morris ha a m m i l t o n m o r r i s on Twitter and make this [ __ ] tweet you need to
contribute bro you're a part of the hive you're a valued member if people want to watch his stuff any of his stuff just Google Hamilton Morris that's the simplest way cuz Vice they do awesome [ __ ] but it's crazy trying to go to that site and navigate it and try to find anything if anybody um wants to come to Chicago tickets are almost sold out that is uh the 27th and it's with me Joey Diaz and Duncan Trussell that's the Chicago Theater Friday January 27th that's going to be fun as [ __ ] cuz then the next night is UFC on FOX Hamilton thank you very much for being on one of our most awkward podcasts ever but you were a delight to talk to your wealth of information and a cool [ __ ] thanks a lot buddy thanks for having me all right folks we will see you next week that's it for this week I got to get some [ __ ] sleep oh yeah and the ice house um I've had no sleep for days I'm so I'm so I've never been more out of it doing a podcast ever um my my little girl's been throwing up and no sleep at night and coming from Brazil I'm a mess so if I sound half [ __ ] today I will bounce back I promise you next week I'll be strong I'm going to take some Alpha Brain and some fresh squeeze juice and want to get the party started so we'll see you guys next week um I think Greg Fitz Simmons is doing it sweet and um uh I think Brian C was do it as well and we're Brian we're going to do Brian as well we have a new podcast starting Friday Brian C's new podcast pilot uh it starts at 700 p.m. Pacific and then right after that're we have an ice house Chronicles we we um put the tickets on sale tiets are on sale right now at ice house comedy.com and it might have Burke kryer and it might have Duncan Trussell it's going to be a big surprise but it definitely has Brian Callen it's whoever's in town all of our friends are in town we um we just decided to do this show yesterday so if the tickets are not on sale they will be soon so that's uh Friday Night 10 p.m. 10 p.m. 10 p.m. podcast starts at 9: all right and then the podcast is Ice House Chronicles you can watch it here on Ustream SL Jo Rogan USC scream.tv Jo Rogan or um you can get it on iTunes but only on the death squad label so you have to subscribe death squad get that and there's a lot of other cool podcasts
on that Sam tripley's uh show the naughty show um one of the funniest naughty shows I've ever had last night with the penous pet 2012 by the way oh and Brad Williams yeah we're going to get podcar okay we'll get him on we'll get him on if he can get a permission all right thanks everybody we'll see you soon byebye Hamilton smile smile to the people