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the jo Rogan experience you're so good at breaking [ __ ] down Dude you said that There was not a hint of bias there you were being completely honest about it That's I really value that in the way you talk and uh that's why I was really happy when I watched that Kamal Bell show Oh yeah m Kamal Bell Totally biasedal Bell yeah Um Which was w w calbell you and uh Lindy West Lindy West Who's a uh a feminist blogger for uh jezebel Which is a feminist website and what I Loved about it man was first of all you never got upset you you were rational and logical and you had you were you were talking about it in a very measured way and you're being really friendly while you discussing this and you know and her in her defense it's a very tricky subject to to breach for a woman and she was saying a lot of [ __ ] like comedy Clubs are filled with rooms filled with angry men and you didn't you didn't even flinch you didn't you didn't go after her you know like She had like these digs about like you know you're allowed to joke about it but i'm allowed to tell you you're a dick Yeah I didn't think it personally Buse I didn't think she she hadn't the blog wasn't about me it was about a guy who any guy making a dick joke or R joke or certain rape jokes that put and this is the tricky part of Lindy westse a lot of people would say She's against She's for censorship but she really wasn't she was about she didn't like the jokes that she thought minimalized the Victim in a rape Now it's hard to L logically say well yeah minimalizing the Victim of rape is a good thing but you know what what people forget They went after sam morell a lot of jokes are just misd He's a Comedian In New York Who had done some like domestic violence jokes or Whatever but in a misdirection joke you You go for the the most obvious uh or opposite thing so sometimes it isn't violent yeah sometimes it like I did one joke and this didn't come up in that show but like I was talking about uh seeing at a girl Now I don't know if She had a good time or was raped in a porta Potty I'm not going to go through the whole joke before but those were it was at a concert an outdoor concert so the two most opposite things I could think of if i said i didn't know if She had a good time or not a very good time who gives a [ __ ] [ __ ] you raped in a porta Potty uh
You're painting a picture yeah if i said i didn't know if she was beaten in a port Potty or raped in a port Potty nobody would have laugh because They're too close so the fact I me I'm explaining this to the The audience not to the fact that you take two things that are such polar opposites sometimes the polar opposite you on for the joke is a horrible thing that minimalizes the Victim and every catholic Priest joke is somehow minimalizing the Victim Comedy does that and I don't believe that it has to just be speaking truth To power I think that's part of it but I think that as long as your intention is genuinely to be funny and not to humiliate a person for real Um I think it's allowable and it has to be Cuz it gets to be too subjective after that well it's an art form And if you don't like that art form I completely and Totally understand that don't have to partici to participate in the Shows You don't have to go but when you're you're being Like hypercritical about it and trying to get people to stop doing it you're going to make it so that that art form is not available like the really [ __ ] up thing that you don't mean art form is not available just like rap music What is going on in rap music are they really running around killing people and selling Cocaine every day no most of what They're doing is Talking [ __ ] about something It's no different than the movie scar face Nobody really died in that movie okay you're you're painting a picture it's a gross horrific picture but some people like that they like to watch scarface They like to listen to rap music they want to hear A Dirty comic say horrendous inappropriate things that are [ __ ] up one of my Favorites is Otto Otto and George he would say some of the most [ __ ] up ridiculous overthtp [ __ ] but the reason why He did it is because that's like what shocks a [ __ ] out of you and Makes You laugh when you least expect it and it was like Well crafted in on top of that he he made me laugh Harder Than anybody's made me laugh in a Club we were doing in a Pizzeria in Pennsylvania and he said something it was it was barbarism and it made me it was because the the imagery was such It was a it was it was such poetry that he flew off the top with and it was awful and uh have i ever told you the story no and it was
it's it's it Won like it won't hold like if I say it now it's not going to be the greatest jok here but the beauty of it we were in a Pizzeria it was an awful gig and Um it was it was a it was like we like real Pizzeria bench seats it's stunk right and uh there was a bar next to it and I'm watching a was just up there [ __ ] struggling and hating it and in the middle of this Dirty act the booker girlfriend Walks down the aisle with his her seven-year-old son Which was so inappropriate and everybody looked and it just derails the show and Otto uh just said uh you know Buse everyone looked at this so the [ __ ] the Puppet addressed it right Um and and said uh Oh isn't I isn't that cute I'd like to grab him by the ankles and Smash his Skull Onto a [ __ ] sink and it was a Cigul reference to the end of cigula and it made me the the the the speed at Which he Put those Words together and the the the violence attached to that uh and the imagery of that it I've never laughed Harder at anything anybody's ever said in a Comedy Club because I knew what had just happened it was just I immediately saw the end of cigula where they the grab the ankles and they smashed the [ __ ] head into the steps and i'm like the Genius to pull that out in this moment and word it that quickly it just it was it was it was beauty it was beauty but it was a horrible Thing and Nobody left of course they didn't This is a philly Pizzeria Nobody Understood How funny that was if he had just said that and I hadn't seen cigula I might not have laughed as hard but the fact that I immediately saw what He did with it I was just I wanted to Hug him for that I'm like you Brilliant Brilliant guy He's a Brilliant [ __ ] man He's a very funny guy and his style of comedy much like dice's style Comedy is ridiculous Over The Top things They don't really mean like Dice has some bit about about how a woman gets pregnant and it's it's it's one of the most hilarious ridiculous bits because it goes into like this medical or how you can make a gay kid like how you know like like it's so [ __ ] ridiculous idiy it's complete but it's hilarious and for people to say that That's a homophobic joke or That's like no He doesn't believe He doesn't mean a word He's saying Do you understand this is this is like an art
Piece that you're watching this is just a ridiculous overthtp art Piece and for you to say that it's not if you to say that I Shouldn't be enjoying it well then we have to go with a fine tooth comb over virtually all of Pop culture every song we have to find out what the true meaning behind movies are What what's the implication on Society because it can't just be humor it's it's a dumb way of Looking at it because you know it's a joke If It's a Standup Comedy Show You know it's a [ __ ] joke at least in that sense there's no Excuse with a rap music With A Rap song like No it's not a joke maybe He's being serious with a movie maybe They're trying to promote that Lifestyle maybe that's real it's a Standup Comedy Show The only reason why people are laughing is because it's a joke well people do know that but it's unfunny people attempting to It's just people trying to influence what you say it's like the Same mentality And I don't mean individually like Let's just say the same mentality That would target Dice or That would say Um You should get in trouble for a gay joke are the exact same people who would stand up and defend maplethorp They're the same people who would defend Piss Christ and say that the national endamment of the arts should have paid for Piss Christ because Who cares tell people What that is it's it's it's the Nea I think paid for it was an artist who pissed into a Jar and he put a crucifix in it and he Called It Piss Christ Now I don't think that That's particularly clever but it doesn't offend me on any level and here's more inconsistenci the same people clever Yeah I mean it was you know Look I wouldn't Mind of I wish I would have thought of that I mean I just i couldn't fill a Jar with my Piss would have been like you know took weeks Yeah I really would It's a big Jar too It's very impressive yeah It's very it's a two kegger but uh the fact that he the they support that and the the same people who would have attacked giuliani for going after the [ __ ] Brooklyn Museum of art Because a guy an African artist painted uh The Virgin Mary and dung So it it they they would call him a fascist for that Um you're you're you're You don't understand art if you attack Maple thorp and you don't understand art if you attack Piss Christ however if you attack
a comic Well that comic is insensitive and he's Saying something racial racially insensitive or or gender insensitive and he should be a it's inconsistent so you can't [ __ ] respect it you can't acknowledge any of it with respect it's People Have To You have to leave room for art and That sounds ridiculous when you're talking about dick jokes or any kind of jokes but you have to leave room for art Cuz that's what it is is It's just an art and if you don't appreciate that style of art It's no different than you deciding to go to a Metallica Show and not liking the lyrics right if you don't like it You don't have to like it there's Jody mitchell's playing down the block go see that go go you know go see Cheryl Crow or go see Dave matthews there's a lot of variety out there but at the end of the day it's something that someone creates and when Otto says You know I'd like to pick him up by his [ __ ] ankles and slam his head into a sink and you're laughing that means he delivered art to the person who likes that art and I feel the same way when I when i see look When I saw Dice Or when I saw you and Austin same feeling I enjoy ridiculous over thetp humor It's my one of My Favorite Things to watch so when someone comes along and says You can't do jokes about violence against children Cuz it's [ __ ] up Yes you can Yes you can you can even if your kid had been killed well unfortunately for you this one hit home and it's not fun to you but everybody else Who doesn't have a kid that was Killed By slamming their head into a sink it becomesun fun for them and it sucks But you can't just stop the art form because it's going to hit you and that's one of the things that came up in that Conversation with Lindy Lindy Lindy West lind West yeah one of the things that came up in the Conversation with her was that she was talking about rape jokes and meanwhile She had a photo on her Twitter of Jeff goldbloom Who is in Death wishsh with who he enacted a really horrific rape scene yeah barbaric rape scene yeah scar terrifying no joke There was no jokes involved There was no hehe haha no double onandras and yet an actor doing that in that piece of art somehow or another is exonerated from the impact and this idea that you should know that 1 third of The audience I
think is those the current thing They're They're enjoying banding about when people talk about I Shouldn't say They're enjoying I don't want to dismiss it but the people who really believe this Believe that 13ird of all women have been either sexually assaulted or raped there's people that dispute that and there's it's a lot of it is based on a certain study from I Believe It was 1987 and there was a lot of questions that are very controversial in that study like theyd say if you ever had sex with someone then regretted It or we coered into Having Sex and things along those lines they called all of those rap and So then I think but I think their findings was like one and five but now people are saying it's one and three whatever the [ __ ] it is the idea that you have to like not you to censor yourself because of the You can choose to you can choose to if That's your style of comedy you can choose to but for you to get mad at someone who doesn't choose to It's like ooh You're This is a slippery slope and I know people don't think it's a slippery slope because you think it's all just about protecting people's Feelings especially victims Feelings and I see your point but at the end of the day We're going to have to go over this whole [ __ ] with a fine tooth comb if you want to do that you can't just single out Standup Comedy because it's coming from one person and not a giant movie where a woman gets assaulted and beaten or raped or whatever i mean all of it has to be looked at you have to look at the whole thing see i i and I also feel like I give myself the same credit I give The audience like I Really do and it's like we all say we want to just just treat people like you want to be treated Well I treat The audience with the same level of intellectual respect that I want And I went and saw Joan Rivers and it's I not it's the edgiest set I've ever seen a comic do and I mean This a few years ago at the cutting room in New York She's doing 11 jokes I mean [ __ ] brutal and I I was When I was I literally wanted to cry at the end of it because i'm like that is what we should be doing it is taking everything horrible that we experience and I mean horrible and making a room full of people laugh about it and when we walked
out of there my feelings about 911 had not changed my feelings about rape my feelings about AIDS not One Thing She Said made me value those real experiences less not One Thing She Said made me devalue anything made me lose respect for the horror Of Nothing Changed for me other than I was able to temporarily laugh at something that I Knew was awful so why wouldn't I give my audience the same credit for being able to come to the conclusion I came to watching John Rivers well to to take their argument it would be because you haven't been raped you haven't been murdered You didn't lose loved ones in 9 and that what you should be doing by omitting rape jokes is you should be avoiding triggers you ptsd triggers avoiding people freaking out thinking about their rape while They're at a Comedy Show just trying to have a good time and so their their opinion is set up entirely to protect the victims of these crimes It's not like a person like you has a certain Sensibility about 911 Jo Rivers defies that Sensibility but doesn't in a humorous way and you walk away with the same opinions that you had going in buuse That's not really what you dealing with you what you're dealing with is a victimization crime a crime where someone's been dehumanized and them being In The audience watching you talk about that you should be more sensitive than that So that's their argument it's a very good argument in a lot of ways my point back to them would be I do understand that but like I said whenever I talk about Tiger Woods Text Messages I reveal my own I talk about my own I also talk about things that have injured me I talk about my own suicide attempts my own sexual PR like so i include well you do you you certain horrible and things that have affected me and things that haven't I don't It's not like include things And if you Break Down humor like that like you said fine tooth com every single joke or 90% of the jokes you do unless you're talking about balloons or bouncing a ball have hurt Somebody oh you talk about uh Oh my god was I drunk Driving Oh my God That's children being Killed By drunk Driving is not if we get that literal with humor then almost all jokes comics Tell are are going to be up for a careful examination I think Matt and trey said it's either all Okay or none
of It's Okay I won't make pedophile jokes when Kevin [ __ ] Bacon can't play them in the woodsman I Won't Do Gun jokes when [ __ ] Hollywood can't tell me how bad Guns are and then they make a movie called two Guns which I have no objection to but then don't [ __ ] preach to me about Guns [ __ ] It's like Just You know I don't care what you do as an artist leave me alone As an artist I don't tell you what to do don't tell me what to do that's all it is no it's your point Is Is Dead on and it's it's a very point the the idea of censorship I can understand that people don't want someone in The audience to be impacted negatively about you making light of something That's a horrific crime that they've suffered from personally but that doesn't mean you should stop Okay and it doesn't mean that you're a dick either What it means is you're saying something that hits them personally and you know then Maybe You Shouldn't go see Jim Norton and that Sounds like a [ __ ] up thing to say but really that's That's that's the reality of the situation says You're What you're doing is a style of art people who don't want to be scared don't go see the conjuring or the Evil Dead because they don't like I don't like horror movies how come Nobody's trying to stop horror movies people that don't like them don't go to see them so the same way should be with certain types of humor and what's when you Break It Down What's the worst that can happen if you see something like am I going to talk about something that they don't show on Law And Order constantly Jesus the whole thing's a [ __ ] rape Murder Fest everything people like is a rape or Murder or some kind of voyurism and I will acknowledge and honor people's uh abhorence to violence when There's an accident in the southbound Lane and the traffic in my Lane doesn't Slow Down people slow down to look because they want to see it they want to [ __ ] see it on some level but they don't Admit they want to see it and I hate their lack of admission well there's a weird exclusion thing too If you're you're discussing rape and you're not discussing Murder you know if you have any anything that involves rape in uh a tweet or something you're you're a piece of [ __ ] or you know you should have had a a Trigger warning in there like this
is the Attitude that a lot of people are taking about this stuff but why doesn't have Why doesn't anybody have the same issues about murders you can talk about a Murder you can talk like it's very rare that people get upset at Murder jokes or Murder movies or anything Murder But There was a Obama thing recently where Obama said that uh he could have been on martin and I said uh You Know Who else you could have been you could have been a little kid that got Killed By drones right no Nobody right that's a i mean It's not really a joke per se but it's it's kind of like mocking him you know it's it's mocking the the idiocy of this but it's also bringing up Murder it's bringing up people getting hit with missiles and their bodies exploding Why is that image any less disturbing than the image of rape are They are They equally disturbing are they both off the menu or why are we only going with rape off the menu how come there's like Zero push to take Murder off the menu their argument would be because and again This Is What they would say is because rape Murder victims or People Murder is you're not taught to be silent about Murder You're taught to be silent about rape and there's a lot of rape victims Who are too scared to report the Crime No one is scared to report a Murder unless it's a mob thing Um They're saying the perception of the Crime is different and uh there's such a Shame with it Where there's not a Shame with Murder there's not a Shame with these other things and again I heard what she said and I listened to it and I did get it Um but I won't I don't do a whole shitload of jokes on rape victims anyway Um but if that's the case and and it probably is the case then be for castration of rape rapists or or Fight The Fact that the recidivism rate is so high in these [ __ ] Pigs because They're being LED out of jail like fight that Don't worry about what contributing to a [ __ ] rape culture is nonsense and it is to say Comedian contributes to rape culture is simply bullshit and it's it's simplistic thinking it's uh a way of saying I don't like what you're saying and I don't want you to say it but I can't come out with that so I have to find a higher Reason Which makes it sound like You Shouldn't Say it for this reason you know well even the term rape
culture You know Someone on my message birard Said uh do they have like meetings they have a magazine like is it really a culture like what what are you talking about and by calling it that by defining it in those terms calling it rape culture you would you put quotes around that it starts to be real and what I what I don't mean that it's going to encourage people to rape but I mean the idea that there's a culture that supports rape is going to be real it's going to be something that people address as if it's real regardless of whether or not it is is it real that people rape absolutely but is it real that our culture supports it [ __ ] no man [Musik] [Tepuk tangan] [Musik] coursese [Musik] [Tepuk tangan] [Musik] [Tepuk tangan] [Musik] son we are broadcasting to iTunes oh [ __ ] iTunes we're recording to server Get the [ __ ] out of here server