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worse though, right? The freak out. You mean like Joey? Yeah, Joey. Was it Tom Seagura? Joey was with I forget who he was with in um Oregon. They were up in Oregon doing shows and it a freak snowstorm blanketed the city and then it got icy rain below it. So, it was snow on top of icy rain. It was just the whole city just shut down. if I mean if if they don't have the you know uh the salt trucks and all that stuff and if people don't know how to drive it they really shouldn't you know but it's really interesting I mean they they closed school for like 3 days and you know the roads were really fine just it was amazing what what do you guys think about Nashville has the charm worn off? Are you bored with it already? Man we just tal we came back the other night. We got got into LA yesterday and I walked into this bar and all these people that I knew were there and all these friends and it just felt good, man. And there's friends. There's really Nashville's interesting because when you first get there, it's such an open community and people welcome you in and everyone's sweet and you have friends and all of a sudden you you go out to a bar and you know people, but there's a difference when you see people you've been with for eight years, 10 years. It just feels good, man. Right. Right. So coming back I I don't know. I got so goddamn beautiful. Got kind of wistful. Do you guys do you do you miss like the largestgeness of the city or is it the people the attitude like did did you feel different like a different vibe? I've never lived in Nashville but did you get like a different vibe from the people? Yeah, I mean the the day Well, first of all I mean you can drive around the whole city in like 15 minutes. I mean it's just you're the days feel longer because you're not stuck in your car trying to get here to there like you do in LA. It doesn't you know what I mean? It's you just sort of like everything is really accessible which is which was great because as far as our productivity and working on the record which is kind of why we went there um to write and have all this space which and then we just still not done we didn't do it there. We keep coming back here to work on it. Yeah. But you know it's it's true. So, it's really interesting like how you know there there's some there's
a number of reasons why you know it's it's a much more affordable town and all that stuff but but when you when I come to California now I really feel like like this intense energy like you're like vibrating it's so exciting and I just you know you kind of feel like it's like this shock of you you're just awake and there's all this stuff happening there's so many so many [ __ ] people right and Nashville is great it's just like really chill Is that good? Sometimes, but when you have it for a long time, you kind of get a little stir crazy. It just doesn't have the crazy eyes. The diversity going to do next the diversity. Well, there's not here. It's a completely different game in terms of that there. There's this really interesting smoosh going on of like Bible belt, conservatism, and freaky people. You know, there's kind of the freaky people area, but that's spreading. Freaky people are spreading. We're weirdos. Yeah. Weirdos always win. We always win. It's more fun to be a weirdo. True. That Bible bell [ __ ] once you catch a few of them [ __ ] kids, you know, and doing weird [ __ ] We're supposed to be all high fallutin. Yeah. It's kind of game over there. Yeah. It's game over. They start losing credibility. Mhm. You know, I definitely feel a little more self-aware in Nashville as far as like my, you know, my [ __ ] potty mouth and my, you know, just being loud and, you know, because there's a lot more. I feel like there's a lot. No, I am. I'm pretty obnoxious. Yeah, we all spend much time together liquored up. You picked it up. But but I think I think people are a little more reserved there. Of course. Yeah. You know, I genuinely uh really enjoy playing there. I think it's one of my favorite places to play. I love the people there. I love the small town thing about it, too. I just think people are super friendly there. But I wonder if I would go crazy if I lived there. The B the Bible belt thing would probably drive me crazy, but you could avoid it. Yeah. And it honestly, it's it seems fairly segregated. It's like you just don't walk down that street. That's hilarious. people believe in dinosaurs. This street, not so much. Oh, really? Somebody tweeted me something with some woman, you know, that was talking about
uh that dinosaurs must have probably drowned and she wasn't trolling uh that that Noah didn't have room for them on the ark, so they probably all drowned. They would have eaten them. They just eat. It was on her Facebook page and someone someone sent me a tweet. Can you believe this silly [ __ ] And it was to her Facebook page cuz it was so ridiculous that random people that didn't even know her would go to her Facebook page and be like, "Bitch, are you [ __ ] crazy? Dinosaur is drowned. It's [ __ ] Russell Crow's fault. He decided to do this goddamn Noah movie and the whole thing gets stirred up again. It's Russell Crow. I haven't seen anything about that. He's Noah. He's Dar. It's a Darren Aronki, whatever his name is. Arvonsky. Aronowski. Arnowski. Yeah. Who was apparently a bad [ __ ] He's done a lot of pretty badass movies, right? What What else has he done? Um Oh god. Um did he do Gladiator? I don't think so. You know what? I don't want to out myself as uh as Derek. I don't know who that is. Have you seen the uh the ads for Noah? Nope. This looks pretty exciting, bro. Damn. It looks exciting. I would love to give him a French braid. Would you really? Sure. Like rocket Jamaica style. Look, he's checking what's going on. He's like the Denzel of white people. Yeah. No, he kind of does. Denzel never got fat. When did he's fat right now? That's muscle, man. He just looks wonder this world and filled it with violence. That guy's cardio. So we must be destroyed. He got game to hold the I love movies like this. I freak out. You love this movie? Yeah. Well, no. I like movies like this. Like, you know, I don't want to, you know, fantasy kind of like Lord of the Rings. I'm so gay for Lord of the Rings. Oh my god. Yeah. I I really enjoy Lord of the Rings, too. I love fantasy movies. They're fun. Yeah. I I was I had high hopes for the new Conan movie. Didn't really work out. It's terrible. Piece of [ __ ] But it was good like halfway into it. I was like, it's still pretty good. And then the new Conan is the guy from Game of Thrones who played um the barbarian dude that was banging Kesi. Love that guy. Mhm. Bet you do. Bet your eggs love him, too.
God, I bet that dude. He's a very nice guy, too. Big giant handsome bastard. And uh he was the perfect Conan. I'm married to like Lenny Kravitz's daughter or something. Could be. I don't know. Um but yeah, the guy's pimping. That'll work. That'll that'll last. Yeah. Sorry. Way to be optimistic. No, the guy he's he's awesome. I mean, he's just too handsome to be running around there. Yeah. Married to anybody. But uh the uh the movie was like it held promise, you know? It like looked like it was going to be good, but like all these [ __ ] movies, it eventually falls apart, unfortunately. But I gave it a shot. I don't remember that coming out. Did it get good reviews or did Nope. Dog [ __ ] reviews? Just wasn't that good. But he's the perfect Conan. If they had a a good writer, like if he got James Cameron involved and he, you know, put together like some Avatar type Conan movie, it would be the [ __ ] because the guy's the perfect con. The guy can act his ass off. He's good. You know, he really would have been Conan, but they gave him a dog [ __ ] movie. That's a bummer. It is. Yeah. And you can't turn that role. It's like a It's a huge role, you They can't turn it down and then then everything else falls through. Well, nobody remembers anyway. You guys didn't remember. Nobody remembers. I think making movies must be hard. [ __ ] yeah. That's the sense I So yeah, you do it at home. It's like there's so many people involved. There's too many people. The beautiful thing about what you guys do is who do you rec, you know, you [ __ ] talk amongst yourselves. You know, you say you want more of this and he says he wants more of that and together you find some sort of a happy medium and you create your [ __ ] Could you imagine if you had a bunch of money people? Well, I'm not saying it's easy at all, but it's less intervention than than you making a movie, man. You got hundreds of people that have their say. You have so many people that you have you have to depends on what kind of movie you're making. If you're making an independent movie, right? You have your even then you still have to deal with 15 people. Some actor wants to do a [ __ ] monologue in the middle of the scene. You're like, "Bro, that's not the part. The part is not He doesn't do a monologue, man. I'll do it
if I could do a monologue. Well, this is a different movie then. Ad living. The guy's deaf. He can't talk. Well, I just feel like he could be like the end. Psych. Here's what I had to say. Psych. You know, always about making choices. It's just a choice. It's it's just when you deal with a lot of people, it's very difficult to have a creative vision that goes through. Do you guys have any like do does your manager ever say, "Look, you need more more jokes or more uh songs about this or more songs about that?" We we've had stuff like that before and gross. Yeah. Well, I mean we at the end of the day it's like if you have we really well we you know I think we're too difficult to work with like that. We don't right now we don't have a manager right now. Maybe that's what happened. I met your manager. It all fell. Was it did I meet your agent or your manager? You met our he was our manager then became an agent. Yeah. And that that was an amicable thing but just I don't know kind of like the t I don't like you. You don't like me. Let's get out of here. That's like amicable divorces. When people say amicable divorces like well it's amicable. Well, if it No, it's not amicable. You got so sick of each other that you went to court. Okay, don't tell me it's amicable. You might like each other still as human beings, but that [ __ ] ain't amicable. You don't live together anymore. You don't [ __ ] You guys got divorced, son. That's not That's not amicable. I heard a new term for that today though cuz I was reading about the Gwennneth Paltro and Chris Martin. It just came up. I wasn't looking for splitting up. It's a unconscious Wait, wait, wait. Conscious unpartnering. Conscious unpartnering. Jan Gwenneth Paltro splitting up with her man. dispartnering. It's so sad. Look, I'm I'm I'm a [ __ ] romantic. Okay. Hey, I bet you are. Let love live. I believe it. Hey, but listen, there's nothing wrong with love. Hey, but I'm also saying how long you want to live with Gwennneth Paltro for though or that guy from Coldplay. I'm sure he's a [ __ ] whiny vagina, too. Jesus Christ. I mean, anybody who writes and sings those songs, beautiful songs as they may be. Why are you not like tears? Lot of single tears. Well, how come your songs aren't about celebrating the fact that
you're a [ __ ] rock star? How come your songs aren't celebrating the fact that's what we should do? It's hard to happily come to fruition. It It truly is. Like, it's a celebration. You're unbelievable. Cool. And the gang knew how to do it. Yeah. Stevie Wonder knew how to do it. But most people I I bet most of the bands knows how to do it that you listen to write depressing [ __ ] a lot of time. pretty bad. Is that easy? It's just easy to access that or easier, I guess. Is it easier also to not be like like sort of a superficial dummy who's singing about happiness? Like if you sing about moodiness, like you're automatically deep and meaningful. Yeah, bro. Like I remember that movie 21 GS. You remember that movie? God, I just saw that recently. It's so sad. It's so sad. And I made a decision after I saw that movie. I said never again will I go see a movie that's trying to make me sad. Like I don't I don't buy the idea that it's deep because it makes you feel like [ __ ] I don't buy it. I know what you're doing. You're This is a game here. Everything falls apart. Everything goes to [ __ ] and at the end you feel all this loss and then I leave. I know what you did. You guys [ __ ] me. You pretended that you were doing something deep. You're not You're just doing something depressing. Depressing and deep are not the same goddamn thing. What are your thoughts on on um I recently saw that movie is uh was it the Lone Ranger? Wait, no, not the ranger. Ranger Johnny is not a [ __ ] Indian. Okay, not the Lone Ranger. Not the Lone Ranger, but the uh the one with Mark Wahberg. Oh my god, I'm so sorry. The Lone Soldier. Lone Survivor. Lone Survivor. God, Samsonite. Um it was but but that was based off of a true story and actually has some relevance as far as the reality that we live in right now. Yes, definitely. But that that is a little bit different. That's not necessarily like, hey, I'm making this movie to [ __ ] you up. Yeah. But I it it really [ __ ] me up. I I had to go drive around for like 20 minutes after I left the movie theater and it was um I mean, did you see it? I watched part of it. Um those movies kind of bum me out. Yeah. Marcus Latrell is a guy I've met at the UFC a few times. The guy who's the the story the story is based on. He's
actually in the movie. Had a part. He did. Yeah. But he um you know his real story. You met him? Yeah. Wow. I I have a real hard time um watching dramatizations with Marky Mark and someone else playing these guy. I know it was awesome and I'm not putting him down. I love Mark Wahberg. I'm a huge fan. I thought he was great in that movie with The Rock. He's [ __ ] great. Kid's a great actor. It's not that. It's just I know he's Marky Mark. Always be Dirk Diggler though. He what? Yeah. Whoever he is, he's Mark Wahlberg. I know he's Mark Wahlberg and I know who the guy is. I know that guy Marcus Latrell is a real person. So, when I'm watching a recreation, it's it's weird, but I can't separate myself from the art. I enjoy them much more in works of fiction than I do in recreations. I never enjoy recreations cuz I'm always like, "That didn't [ __ ] happen like that. That's probably bullshit." So, you weren't pumped about Titanic is what you're saying. Well, Titanic is different because it had Leonardo and Kate and the chemistry there just went right. He was like a ramp and a young man with passion, poetry in his heart. Um, no. It's just I think I don't like recreations, you know? I just I I know there's too much [ __ ] involved in the creation of those things. So, are you more of a kind of like a Frozen guy? I love Frozen. I saw it twice. I love it. I have a 5-year-old and a three-year-old. They love it. You come over my house at any point in time, you hear, "Let it go. Let it go. Can't hold me back anymore." They'll start singing at the drop of hat. They jump up on the couch and start singing. That's amazing. Hey, little girls love princesses, man. There's nothing you can do about that. There's this rapper that has the second best song, but he's like, "Man, I could have had the number one song if it wasn't because of the Frozen soundtrack." Can you imagine that? You just Frozen is a good [ __ ] movie, man, for little kids. It's not a good movie for adults, but as an adult, you can enjoy it. Like, I find that there's a lot of these movies that they they're made for little kids, but they do a really good job, and you can actually sit and enjoy the movie with your kids. Like, I saw Mr. Peabody's movie. The Lego movies are great, man. It's a good
[ __ ] movie. To see that by yourself, did you not? Easy there. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, I did. It was a good movie. And it brought me up. I felt like I was walking out with a whole bunch of friends. I saw Mr. Peabody the in the wayback machine this weekend. Whatever the [ __ ] it's called. It's really good. First of all, the animation is [ __ ] amazing. Oh, the dog. The dog that made a time machine. It's [ __ ] badass. It's fun. I didn't see it. It's interesting. It's fun, you know, and it's it's also like the just what they can do with animation now. When they operating the time machine, you're like, "God damn, they make [ __ ] look beautiful, you know? Makes Scooby-Doo look like dog shit." You know, you stop and look at the kind of like This is Mr. Peabody. Really? This was good. Yeah. No, you got to see the u the time machine series when he actually uses the time machine. You got to find look for it and find a video that when when they operate the time machine, you see the graphics involved. It's like, oh my god, these kids today, they're so spoiled. It's true. I liked Up. I was a big fan of Up was great that came out. But that's depressing as [ __ ] That guy's essentially suicidal. It's good to have a little darkness for kids. You have to get a little introduction into reality. I am. I am because I'll be honest with you, I'm not I'm not going to get into details, but like I had a a real solid shattering of my idealism in my adulthood that was like really intense. And it's it's interesting when you sort of I mean could have prepared you for that. Well, yeah. [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm I'm kind of [ __ ] around, but I'm not [ __ ] around. No, but but but I'm serious. as far as like, you know, the princess reality for little kids, you know, if you if you sort of had this like fairy tale, right? It's just and and not in an aggressive way. Um, so my ex-boyfriend wrote this book that is actually it's it's a children's book. It's called Kate's First Mate. Um, and it's about relationships, but it's written as a children's book, and it's actually really amazing. And he sells it um like hot cakes and in all these like kind of little hipster stores in California. and um it's published and it's a really interesting look at um you know choosing
a partner for you know when you're a kid and just sort of rather than like Prince German comes in on a white horse you know it's it just sort of has this really great way to kind of just give a small introduction to kids about you know reality and sometimes it doesn't work out and you go through the storm and then you come out you know captaining the ship with your uh with your partner you know what's interesting man you Man, bro, people, friends, babe, what's interesting, friends, is how um how much they're trying to take when they take old stories and they pull all the teeth out of them. Like it's it's really kind of fascinating like like the big bad wolf or any of these stories like there there's this uh this trend. What is this? Uh there's a lot of people that think that Disney's Frozen is teaching kids to be like gay like Disney's gay propaganda. Um, [ __ ] idiots. Why was What's gay about Frozen? They They said that the the main character uh with the other girl I never saw it, so I don't know. But the main character, the sister, that they're gay. Yeah. Oh my god. Just don't even click on that. That's just morons. And about beastiality, too, because of the the animals were her friends and it's teaching kids about What about your pet? You should bring that person on the podcast. I'd like to see that one. Not even they know where the podcast is. [ __ ] all these [ __ ] dummies. God damn it. I don't remember what we were talking about. Uh how they took the old old Yeah, they they take all these stories like the Big Bad Wolf and they little Little Little Red Riding Hood and they kind of like dress it down. They take away all the violence and scariness out of it and you get talking about like for for kids. Oh, okay. Like Rapunzel. Here's a perfect example. Yeah, that [ __ ] was scary. Like the real ones were really scary. at which she she took Rapunzel, cut her hair off and pretended that the guy was climbing her hair and then pushed him off and he got blinded. That's the original story. He fell into a brier bush and his eyes got [ __ ] gouged out. That's the original story. If you read the original one, you're like, whoa, all that brother's grim stuff, you know, like sticking out a dead chicken bone. They think it's their
finger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the wolf ate Little Red Riding Hood and the grandmother. I mean, she died in the original one. The in the original one, she was eaten by the wolf and then somehow or another, the hunter cut her out of the wolf or something like that. You know what? I do remember that. Yeah. The grandma and her, they're both okay. Cut them out like Yeah. Let's bring it back to real town. You know, this is what's really happening. Well, it's just weird how, you know, they try to like slowly but surely over time take the teeth out of a lot of those things. Like if you go back and watch cartoons from all violence cartoons were all about anvils falling on people's heads and explosions spinning a duck's beak around a circle. Yeah. But then you have some really terrible things that there's never one thing one reason to blame for when there's like a school shooting or something like that. But then that is the basis of changing the whole you know viewing um demographic and you know watering it down so it's not as violent like you know I I don't I don't really have an opinion on it but but I that's where it comes from. I mean I don't know if there's a direct correlation between viewing violence and enacting violence. I'm really not sure if there is nor am I sure if it's ever been proven cuz you see more violence now than ever. And I would say that it's probably the least violent time we've ever existed in uh on Earth. But I know that kids have done [ __ ] they saw in commercials or in cartoons rather. My cousin Mikey hit his brother over the head with a frying pan because he thought it was going to turn into one of those shapes. I heard other people do that. The head boners [ __ ] cracked him over the head cuz he thought it was going to like turn to the shape of a frying pan. He [ __ ] walked up to his little brother went bong and you hear screaming and the dad beat the [ __ ] out of him. It was craziness. Yeah, it was dark. It was dark. How'd he come out? Is he okay? It's [ __ ] up. That kid's always been [ __ ] up. I avoided him ever since I was like seven. When I right when I got out of Catholic school, I avoided my cousin, too. I don't know. I could might not even been my cousin Mikey. Mike may have actually been his neighbor now that I think about it. Either way, not good to
hit kids in the head with a frying pan. And he learned it from a television show, some cartoon. You b your head is like, you got to do that thing just shakes it back. Oh boy. Nobody ever dies, but everybody gets blown to [ __ ] smitherines. I mean, all the [ __ ] that happened to Wally Coyote. And you know, the end he would pop his head up and [ __ ] dust would fall off of him and he was fine. That [ __ ] Yeah. But it was all violence. There's none of that today. You will never see a a kids show today that has violence in it. They just don't have it. Everything's cutesy. I know. Kung Fu Panda was pretty hardcore. Those kids were raising [ __ ] No one shot the panda. All right. The panda should have been hit with a [ __ ] missile. Yeah, there was a lot of gunns in there and what rifles. Yeah. Yeah, cannonballs little bit. But no one got hurt, right? No, no, there was no serious injuries. That's important. Humans were hurt. Feelings. Oh, feelings are more valuable sometimes. But at the same time, you have this whole world of really [ __ ] up abstract cartoons and [ __ ] right? That is available to kids. It's not presented to them really, but if you Google some weird stuff, um, you can find anything you want. You can be a 5-year-old now and probably if you're a 5-year-old that's googling, your parents are doing a shitty [ __ ] job. Listen, dude, you don't you don't leave 5-year-olds in front of a [ __ ] computer. I have kids. I can't I have no No, it's a lot. I was a nanny back in the day. You were saying something. No, no, that was that was it. I just fig This was me assuming or guessing that you can get into some weird stuff, too. You could if you had no oversight, but you should have oversight when you're five. You know, it's like we were talking about when I was a uh when I did a magic show on Fisherman's Dwarf when I was eight. Why did I do that? Because nobody was watching me. It's ridiculous. Like, you know, anybody tells you I was raised correctly, you know? I point to that and go, "Do you think if an 8-year-old should be able to just walk down the street and not tell anybody where he's going, that's ridiculous." Like, that's not a good move. That's That's pretty profound, though, that you were like, did you take the
train or something? You walked. Holy [ __ ] Well, I lived in San Francisco. Yeah. No, it was during the day. I I lived pretty close to Fisherman's Warf and I noticed that people were doing these uh one person shows on Fisherman's Wararf. They had like a little box out and people would throw money in it. So, I did a magic show. Wow. That's amazing. And it's almost good that no one stopped you, right? You didn't have oversight and you figured your [ __ ] out. Maybe something horrible could have bef almost got raped by some dude. Did you? But you didn't. Yeah. I got lucky. The librarian librarian saw the guy and yelled. I was ready to go out this guy's car. Yeah. No way. Yeah. Oh my god. I was the same age. I was um I was really into monsters, like monster books and stuff like that. So, I was at the library in the monster section pulling out these books and this guy came up to me and told me that he had monster books in his car. And uh I didn't know any better. I was only 8 years old. So, I was like, "Okay, you got monster books." Like, I thought it's just a guy with monster books. Like, I'll sit in your lap for some monster books. And as I was walking towards the car, as I was walking towards the car, the librarian starts screaming, you know, you get away from him. That guy just got out of prison. That guy just got out of prison. Really? Jesus Christ. Yeah. Apparently he was like a known pedto and they would have to watch him when he would go to the library because he'd go scouting around for kids. Jeez. Some scary [ __ ] I I had some weird stuff when I was a kid. You know, there was this uh older boy who was in the neighborhood and um I was a little tomboy. I'd always be like playing in the backyard, you know, like you know, I don't know, like chopping trees, whatever. We grew up on an acre. Um, and I had this really interesting moment where I was in the backyard and I was obsessed with fishing. I loved to fish. I still do. And um, I would always talk about it, you know, I was really weird. Didn't have a lot of friends. And this older boy, he was like maybe 14 and I was nine or 10. Comes out of the woodline. He's like, "Hey Suzanne, there's a largemouth bass in the creek. You got to come see it right now. You got to come see it." And I remember like being, "Okay, let me get my shoes. like
I'm I'm going to okay I got to go to the house and like I I think my parents were out and my sisters and I would always like we when we were kids everybody be running around like playing you know baseball like there was like a pack of kids and my sisters were home but I I didn't know where they were and I ran upstairs to get my shoes and then all of a sudden I had this moment of uh I was totally terrified. I was just all of a sudden I felt like really weird and I I went upstairs in my bedroom which overlooked the backyard and I I watched him and I didn't leave. I got really scared and um and I I watched him and I watched him kind of wait around for a while and leave. And like later this kid was like like years later he was like blowing up squirrels in his treehouse and like got like he was hurting like the neighborhood animals and like got into some serious trouble. He was a violent kid. And now as an adult, like there's there's no way there was a largemouth bass in the creek. It was like this tiny little creek. And I really do when I think about it, I feel like I avoided a really weird situation. Who [ __ ] knows? Who [ __ ] knows? I mean, you might have been the first one that he killed. It might have been the the circumstances were right. You never know. But I I really like it was like it's it's so funny. Like I don't remember everything, but I will never forget that feeling of like like I was just terrified. I I didn't want to go back. And you never know like certain circumstances like people are like really close to doing something [ __ ] up and never do it until a circumstance arises. That might have been the circumstance that pushed the guy over the edge. Well, the person that blows up animals in their treehouse has some serious issues if you ask me. Well, anybody who does torturous animals, that's like one of the first things they look for. You know, when when you find out that your son has been nailing a squirrel to a board and sticking sticks up its ass and stuff like that, like that that kid is a monster. Like you got you got a bunch of bad connections and you should take the little [ __ ] fishing. Take him out in the middle of the ocean. Sorry, it didn't work out. Sorry, buddy. See you later. Sorry, pal. I
raised a monster. Go take it out. Take it out to the ocean. Yeah. Still love fishing, though. Fishing's great. Fishing's great. Psycho's back. We rented a pontoon boat in in Tennessee. That was really fun. Tennessee's got some great bunch of friends. Didn't catch a fish, but man, drank a whole bunch of beer. Got a suntan if you can believe that cuz I'm white as goat cheese. It's very rare. So, are you guys going to move back? What are you going to do, man? We got to make some money. Talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. We got to finish this record. Can we live in your basement? My basement has an isolation tank in it for me in there. Hey, did we talk about that? Thank you for putting us in that tank. Did you get in there? We did. Yeah. We met Crash. How was the experience? And we didn't talk about it. How was it? It was It was awesome. I uh I kind of freaked out at one point. Did you? Yeah. Because I started to get really um I was like, "Oh my god, what if uh what if Crash forgot to close the air or open the air thing and I and I started to like then I was like, I can't breathe. I can't breathe." And I was like trying to find the door and then I got the water in my eye and I was like, "Oh god." Oh my god. You panicked. Disaster. Oh yeah. I lost it. You panicked. How dare you. Super cute. It was a real cute, precious moment I had naked in that tank. Wow, that's hilarious. Yeah, next time relax. I know. Well, you know, story. It's hard. That's a new experience, man. That is not a something I'm accustomed to. That's the thing about it. It's like it's not one of those things you get used to the first time and you get better at it. The like my body is so used to it that I get in there and my body goes, "Oh, we're in the tank." Yeah. And then I just let go like immediately. But like the first when I first started doing it, I'd be like I had all this busy work. Like I'd want to itch something. Yeah. But now you could just settle in. But you can come up with some great ideas in there, too. It's like you never get a chance to be alone with yourself like you do in that tank. If you really want to be a moody, depressing [ __ ] and write some [ __ ] that's going to make people cry. That's the spot. That's the spot. In a box of
black or figure things out, you know? I I just think there's no better place for me to figure things out. Like anytimes I have real problems in my life, anytime there's any disputes or anytime I'm doing something I don't want to be doing, I get in that tank and it sort of provides me with the resources to come up with the right answers. Other because other than that tank, you don't you don't get alone time like that. You never get alone time from your body or that's where you meditate. No, I don't ever meditate outside the tank. Yeah. Except I guess a little bit doing yoga. I guess a little bit of that it's meditation, but it's yoga, you know? It's the whole thing. The tank is just the mind, you know, but I don't I don't [ __ ] around with regular meditation. To me, it's like it's like running when you have a car. Like, I want to get to Vegas. Um, probably better drive, you know? Take a lot longer to walk. Like just sitting walking. This is what oming is. It's walking to Vegas. I don't know. I'm into it. I I I'm not going to lie. Try mentally like calming down listening to you do that. If you get a tank in the basement and m in the tank, it's a to some next level [ __ ] I in the tank. I in the tank, do I do uh these breathing exercises in the tank where I I breathe in for one minute and then I breathe out for one minute. [ __ ] Yeah. One slow minute breathing in and one slow minute breathing out. Breathing out. So, when was it that you discovered that you in fact actually were Jason Bourne? Uh, you know, the first Jason Bourne movies I enjoyed, but the new one with that [ __ ] guy, I'd still let him too much fake karate going on. Too much [ __ ] that the body can't do. I'm not buying it. Why can't you let us live in our fantasy? Guy's living in the [ __ ] frozen north in his underwear. They come and get him, they activate him. Nothing's wrong with that. Guy's going to get hypothermia. He's a [ __ ] human. Jumping off of buildings, landing on people's heads. No ankle tweaks. Real. Nothing. I'm not buying it. And here's the big one. Doesn't have sex with anybody. I know. That is a bummer. That's a super bummer. It's ridiculous. Spies don't do that. Spies are boning everywhere. Well, it's what
we're doing here. The pussification of the American male is almost complete. Our superheroes don't even get [ __ ] James Bond [ __ ] everyone. Okay? He was from England, goddamn it, and he [ __ ] everyone. He [ __ ] everyone. He drank. We even know how he takes his [ __ ] martinis shaken, never stirred. We know how he likes his drugs. That's that's that's [ __ ] the murderer's drug distribution. He got mad [ __ ] [ __ ] in. He had so much [ __ ] he had a movie called Octopusy. That's pretty. I mean, Jesus [ __ ] Christ. No, he's he was he's a winner. Meanwhile, Jeremy Rener saves the girl who's hotter than the surface of the [ __ ] sun. He's hanging out with her all movie long. Obviously, she's enthralled with him. And the end of the movie is so symbolic of the the neutering of the American male that even these super badass murdering superstars sit like they're on the boat together and they're at sitting across from each other. Why do you think that is a table? Why do you think they didn't give us Did you see I don't know how they got out of that. Um there was a there was a very intense intimate into each other's eyes. That was like like once the credits roll we're going to bone. No, no, no. I didn't see that. Why couldn't he bone before the credits rolled? I would like to see that at all. I didn't see what you're seeing. I didn't see any boning going on ever in their future. No, no, no. It was unspoken. I think his dick's broke. I think in order to be able to flip like that, I think Jeremy is working fine in real life. I'm sure it works great. But that Jeremy Rener in the movie, the the Jason Bourne guy, who wasn't Jason Bourne, he was the new guy. He was I don't know what I'm talking after. He was Yeah. Whatever his [ __ ] name was. Yeah. Born born born with a broken dick. The guy's kicking everybody's ass and he's this girl clearly wants to throw down. She's like staring at him like, "Oh my god, you're the best. You saved my life." Over and over again. And you're single and I'm single. Like what are we [ __ ] around for? He's just standing there staring at her. Like I am your robot. I will kill for you, but I cannot [ __ ] See, he didn't have any romantic attachment to her. There's no kissing. There's no hugging. I don't think we can blame that on on the um the next Jason Bourne guy,
whatever his name is, because it it's not his fault. No, he's simp he's symptomatic of a problem we have in society. The the sexuality of the American male is a dangerous thing. The neutering of the American male is uh is a lot of people's goals. Ultimately, as we move away from our primate waring lifestyle into this transcendental experience where we pass through the the next dimension and we exist in the world of information purely without any of the needs of the flesh. That's what we're moving away from. That's why people don't want to be hairy. That's why everybody wants to shave your bush, shave everything down. It's coming back though. Stephanie's Bush is making a comeback. It's like skinny jeans. It's not going to last when Bush comes to shove. When Bush comes to shove, I think it's all the same thing. I think we're moving away from from animal instincts. And so, even in our superheroes, we want no animal instincts. He's just a a killing martial arts robot who doesn't want to [ __ ] At the end of it, he sits down there and there's no threat whatsoever. That he only saved all those people. Don't you think that's because the people that wrote the movie wanted to widen their audience instead? Well, that's one way of looking at it. But why would that be love sex? Why would that be appealing? More people watch porn than almost anything on the internet. It's some insane amount of bandwidth allocated. I thought porn wasn't real. That's only Brian's dad. Sorry, Gary. Sorry. No. All together. One, two, three. Sorry, Gary. That's You're taking it out of context like you always do, Brian. I'm tired of your [ __ ] Just cuz you're on the internet doesn't mean you have to get back at me for everything that ever happened. Oh man. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But I think there is a move without a doubt um to moving away from animal instincts. I think I think there's a female empowerment thing going on and that's an animal instinct, right? What female empowerment do you think? Well, I'm actually and I'm, you know, I'm just going to go with it. But I was stumbling across some pornography and for the first time, how does one do that? Well, I was brushing my teeth and I stepped on a sock and went flying
forward and my head hit a very specific things on the laptop and uh it was for YouTube, not you porn. I'm just going to barrel through this because I thought it was interesting. It was purely sociological. Um so they they there's like this they have all these Now I'm picturing you beating off. I bet he beats up. We don't have to I do you know I didn't even think about it. Is there crying involved? Maybe I should. Sometimes I don't give me what I need. As he comes, he goes, "Yeah, now I realize the the path that I'm going down. I feel like I should wheel around and go, no male by Joe Rogan." Well, this was the first I It was like a casting couch scenario, right? Where they usually have the the casting couch. This isn't just in porn. This is just in general, right? Those are Simmons favorites. Yeah. You bring in a chick and you kind of debase her and, you know, make her uh do whatever you want her to do. But this flipped it around completely and had this chick completely dominating a whole group of guys. There's a whole series of them. I never seen that before. That's rare as [ __ ] dude. You're talking about It's coming around though. It's coming around. Suzanne had this on her phone. Is it bookmarked? Damn, Ben. How'd you get my book? Double bookmark. Put in the cloud. Save the cloud. Yes. Email has to be involved. Um I I you know, I don't know. I mean, for women, yeah, most certainly. But but but it's also like think about the fantasies that exist from men. The really unrealistic fantasies of you know you order a pizza and the pizza girl comes over and she's wearing a bikini and next thing you know she's blowing you and your friend you know and you're both banging her. Is that realistic? Is that coming around? No. It doesn't represent real life. It represents what people want. Come over to take a shower. But I mean if you wanted like porn for women porn for women I don't think would even be that. I think porn for women would probably be far more romantic. You know, es I think also I think there's a difference between the v visual aspect like what men find appealing, what women find appealing. So like women are into like books like 50 shades of gray type pornography like you can but some women are into less visual representations of
sexuality. They don't watch it as much. You know I mean women don't watch it as much as men do. You know how much stigma is involved with that? you know, I can't this this website is gross and weird. So, women stay away from it. Not necessarily. They don't want to. But I don't know about that because women watch what they want when they're alone. You're alone. It makes a difference if it's actually like real. Do you know what I mean? Like if it's not like if someone's actually if a woman's actually coming, that's that's the best one if you ask me as far as like staged porn because I if it's just for the for the dude, you know, right? There's a a lot of that too, right? plays up for the You kind of sniff that out. I'm not trying to give myself up here. Sniff it out. You're You're a pointer. You got one paw. She's coming. That's exactly how it is. He really did eat her out. Oh god, I need She likes them. Ar. Yeah. Um I see I I I think a lot of women are into porn. Don't get me wrong. I'm not delusional, but I think that there's a lot of a lot more women are into uh literature uh pornography than men are in a literature pornography. Like almost no men are into literature pornography. It's very rare. It's so funny. I'm reading this book called 1Q84 Murakami book and it's it's really interesting. 1Q84. Yeah. What is it about? It's um God, it's it's hard to explain. It's fiction. Um, and it's it's kind of a spin there. there's a lot of 1984 um kind of like the the author is, you know, truly a Orwell fan and there's just kind of a lot of nuances as far as like um this kind of I don't want to say apocalyptic, but um god the it's about a lot of confusing things, but technically it's a romance, but there's all this sort of there's like kind of like two worlds colliding. there's sort of like like there's two moons in the sky and there's kind of this really interesting concept but um I there's a lot of graphic sexual content and Ben and I were sitting on a plane and like he was like Jesus every time I look over there's you know you know the boner going on there's like a a taut nipple like I just catch and that's just r this is an 800page book and every single time I glance over and it's
really funny because I'm not it's really a great it's a really great story um and I'll be honest with you, I'm not I'm not one that's like, "Yeah, I needed a [ __ ] dirty novel to, you know, whatever." Um, butter my scone. But I I definitely What a [ __ ] interesting choice of analogies. But but I definitely like we've been traveling a lot. We've had a few flights for shows recently. And when I'm reading, look at it, you know? Come on. I am looking at it. That's what I'm saying. So, so when I'm reading it in public and I'm sitting on an airplane, I feel like like I pull the book closer to myself cuz I'm just like, "Oh my god." You know what? If it's just, you know, it's such a Well, it's interesting that books can have sexuality, like raw sexuality mixed in with the story. But you can't have that in a movie. Like a movie can never have people like graphically [ __ ] movie you just saw. I just saw a movie with people graphically [ __ ] It was called Blue is the Warmest Color. It was a French. You know what I'm talking about? Yes. Oh, were you um remember Brown Bunny? Do you remember that? That guy is like black ballalled because of that movie. Is he really? Yeah. What is his [ __ ] name? Vincent Gallow. Yeah. He I mean I literally saw um these these people reviewing that movie when you know informally they were talking about it and they were like he's a piece of [ __ ] He'll never work again. Wow. And all because he made that Chloe Sven. Were they just having dick envy or she just sucked his dick on screen and he came all over on screen? Like you actually see him orgasm in the movie. But the movie is before that a real movie. It's like this is just a sex scene in a movie where you actually get to see the sex and they decided to just go for it. So they decided to make a movie and have Why is it okay to have a sex scene where you don't see sex but when you have a sex scene where you see sex? like they were angry at him cuz he made them watch that. Like that was I was listening to this man and these two women talk about it and their their specific point was that they were angry that he made them watch that. He made them watch. knew that that was going to I mean if they if they were watching the movie everybody had to know that that was well everybody this they I think
they were one of the first people to see it and I think everybody that went in to see that movie knew there was a controversial thing like that had gotten out but I don't think they realized you're going to watch Vincent Gallow literally put his dick in a girl's mouth and it was a long you know a scene it wasn't like for a brief like American Werewolf in London you see the wolf and then it cuts to black no this is like it wasn't just you saw his dick and you saw her mouth and then cut, you know, that might have been lengthy. Do you think that I mean, I didn't see the movie, so I don't really have point, but I watched the one scene, but I mean, do you do you think that that was like, hey, I want to do this just to do this, or do you think it was really a form of artistic expression? I personally think it was a form of artistic expression that he also wanted to do. I think it's both. And I think that's part of what people got angry about with the idea is that like I'm looking when I see a guy act really well, I'm looking at dick wagging already, you know? I mean, that's what you're doing by in your expression, you know, in your expression of, you know, the powerful the anger of your acting. I'm looking at your tears. You're screaming at someone. I'm also aware that you're aware that you're awesome at doing that. And in me being aware that you're aware that you're awesome and doing that, there's a certain amount of inherent dickwagging. It's one of the reasons why people have like an almost automatic distaste for some famous men or some powerful men or men that are in the public spotlight is because they know they have to be at least somewhat enamored of themselves, which is a form of dick wagging. So when you're doing that dick wagging and then you're also sticking your dick in Chloe Vagenuzz's mouth, I'm like Jesus [ __ ] Christ, man. You're double dick wagging. That's what you're doing. You're dick wagging cuz you're up there in the big screen and you're dick wagging cuz you're standing there in these ridiculous [ __ ] tailored weird clothes cuz you want to be interesting with your [ __ ] handmade shoes. I just want to hit you, you know? Want to [ __ ] You didn't see the movie. Ah, I saw the scene. I don't really want to hit him. I probably get along with that
dude. I probably like him, you know. He's probably a freak. You should totally bring him on the podcast. That's really interesting. Well, he wasn't around for a while and then he did a a vodka commercial. There was a vodka commercial that he was a part of some big uh vodka campaign, but I don't know like what kind of films he's been in since then. But I do know that there was from my limited amount of experience in show business cuz I kind of when I started doing Fear Factor, I basically divorced myself almost entirely of the acting world. Sure. You know, I was only in it for like 5 years when I was doing news radio. And then when I started doing that, I was kind of I was just out of that world. So I never I never hung out with those people, not around those people. But when I did, my limited interaction with people led me to to think that they're probably like almost universally people wanted him black balled because of that movie. Wow. So, it definitely crosses the boundary of like, you know, if you have like when people have controversial sex scenes that come up like I kind of remember Eyes Wide Shut. That's just what comes to mind when that movie came out. People were like, "Oh my god, you know, there's some serious [ __ ] in there." Yeah. and then, you know, keep pushing the envelope. But I think, you know, an actual sex scene in a non quote unquote pornographic film, it's like all of a sudden all the filmmakers are like, "Oh, what the [ __ ] What you know, why'd you you totally like, you know, cheating almost? You can do that and now everybody's paying attention to it." Yeah. You think? Well, it just it's not um the the formal kind of traditional sense of a sex scene. So, I'm sure filmmakers would be a little bit uh perturbed, but I don't give a [ __ ] That's just my take on it. Apparently, Homeboy is still doing movies. Good for him. He did Buffalo 66 was a really interesting movie, too. Brown Bunny was in uh 2004, and he did a couple of movies uh since then, you know, here and there, like little parts and weird [ __ ] that Joe, do you ever get um movie offers or anything like that these days? Yeah, not good ones. Okay. But yeah, I I they're never it's never worth it because it even it was like one of them was a big movie, but it wasn't that much
money and I I had to go somewhere for like a couple of weeks and I was like, you got to you got to pay me a lot of money and it's got to be worth my while. It's going to be interesting for me to want to do it or I got to know somebody in it that I'm going to enjoy hanging out with. Sure. Like otherwise like I'd rather just do a free podcast. Sounds ridiculous. I'd rather do a I'd rather do a set at the Ice House. Like, at a certain point in time, it's like, what do you want? Do you want a bunch of money, or do you want to do things that you enjoy doing? And the more you say, I want a bunch of money, the less you're going to do things you enjoy doing. And the more you say, I want to do things I enjoy doing, somehow or another, the more money you start making. It doesn't make any sense, Ben. That's it. Let's do that. You're already doing it money. Actually, you know what? I'll be honest with you. Um, please do. It's been, you know, I think I'm always honest, actually. Um but hey well please don't don't tell me that um make it seem like it's a special moment. No we we've had some we've had a really great year so far as far as um we've had a really great year so far as as far as shows that have been coming in like uh we've had a few private gigs where those are are really um fruitful. You know someone's like literally we actually um this was amazing. I played a a gig for a birthday party, but it was a a very um well set up. It it was the 21st birthday party. This girl's 20 21 years old. Um but her her father's a Microsoft exec and they are fans of our band and it was such a great opportunity to make new friends but also, you know, get get paid well, which was actually really cool because that's helping us finish this record. And things like that kind of keep happening. We're getting these phone calls of like someone saying, "Hey, we have this festival. It's a small town festival, but we'd love to bring you in." And, you know, it's all kind of working out, you know, in a way that we're really grateful for because it it's sort of like we've been doing this for eight years, you know, and it's nice to have those things when they come up and not have to have a side job right now. Yeah. Well, you guys are really [ __ ] talented and the world is very strange right now when it comes to
music. It's just uh the way to distribute things has gone topsyturvy. The record companies are whacked. Yeah, that stuff it's you just have to figure you have to do it on your own and the internet and well the internet we we have uh you can do live shows. There's a thing called stage it and we've done a few of those and we're actually going to do one soon. Um but but touring, you know, touring Yeah. Um cuz you can't sell records anymore. It's not the same. You can but it's not the same. It's not the same. No, it's not like But we actually have like when we went to Europe, we actually just got off the road uh this past at the end of last year, we opened up for a guy named Jake Bug. And [ __ ] Jake Bug. I'm tired of his [ __ ] It was Well, we got You can't bite the hand. That man, we I'm totally kidding. I don't even know who Jake Bug is. It was amazing. Like saying that. No, he's a he's like a British rock sensation. Oh, cool. And he took us overseas with him and it was amazing. It was really hard. Like we got our asses handed to us in in the UK. That was um rowdy crowds and we played as a duo in front of like 6,000 people instead of like a full like when we played as a full band you get like drums and bass and it's like you know rowdy crowds man. England has a lot of crazy rowdy crowds. England was rough on us but Europe was amazing. They uh were probably some of the best crowds we've ever had. Um you guys have opened for quite a few famous people. Who else were you guys opening for? Uh we what did we do last? We did Cheryl Crow. open. That's what I was talking about. What was that like? It was great, man. She What does she like to hang out with? She's super sweet. She just kept everything she did. She had these like little speeches during her set talking about how she needed to We had a Kickstarter at the time. I don't think she really understood the concept to get you guys some money at your Kickstarter. Yeah, but she'd say things like, "Vote for Honey Honey." Like, that's not, you know, it's not a campaign of the differences. That's so cool, though. She Yeah, that's so cool. She was amazing. She's got a beautiful voice, man. Yeah. And she's a beautiful woman. Like just she's really and she's like an empire builder, too. That's what it's so cool to see the people in her
position who figured out, okay, I've had this I've had a successful music career, but I can just branch out now and create this whole universe of Cheryl Crow. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I I I enjoy her music, man. I've I One time I was in my car and uh my friend Eddie uh was in the car with me and he asked me if I could uh give his girlfriend a ride somewhere. So, she hopped in the car and Cheryl Crow was playing and uh it was like, "Is this a joke? Like, do you playing this as a joke?" And I'm like, "I like Cheryl Crow." He's like, "No, you don't like Cheryl Crow." It became like an argument with her and I whether or not I like Cheryl Crow. You're being ironic. Like, you're being ironic. I go, "No, my favorite mistake is like a great [ __ ] song. Great song. It's a beautiful song." She's like, "No, you're you're like a monkey. Like, you're like a" She was like mocking me. It was all in fun. It was in good fun. She's like, "Shouldn't be be listening to like death metal or something or something with a confederate flag attached to it." Rage against Mach doing your show. We have all these dudes come out. I I know we've told you this before. These dudes come out tatted up 6'5 and you know we playing a ballad to just be like honey, you know, screaming before the shows during the ballads. It's amazing. Well, we have the nicest. Oh man, they're the best. They're the best. And everyone always asks about you like like what's he like? And I'm like, he's [ __ ] awesome. He gives great hugs. He's really good at pool. I'm going tell him that. Now, when when we guys did when we guys is that a word that we did that show together, the December 21st, 2012 show, that was fun as [ __ ] That was the first and only time I've ever done a show like that where it was uh Doug Stanh Hope, Joey Diaz, you guys. Let's do another one. Yeah. [ __ ] yeah. I'm in. Let's do it. I'm totally down. We could totally do that again. That was really fun. It was really interesting. Nashville. Weird people out. What's that? Do it in Nashville. Yeah. Kind of. I I have a friend who has a club in Nashville. I'm in town. I do his club. Yeah. Yeah. He supports comedy. It's like these small clubs. There's a weird thing with me with c certain small clubs. I h I I kind of have to do them.
I just have to support them. And that's one of them. There's like not a lot of comedy out there. I feel like he's an island in the, you know, and I know he gets good acts there on a regular basis, but I I always feel the need. Like the Ice House is another one. Like I would never do a theater in Pasadena. It's never going to happen. If I'm in Pasadena, I do the Ice House just cuz the the owner is my friend and it's he supports comedy. Loyalty. That's [ __ ] awesome. Well, it's that it's also you don't I don't need to do anything else. You know what I mean? It's not like a desperate moment where if I don't do the theater, my kids are going to be hungry, you Dude, you were you were on fire. That End of the World show was amazing. There was something magical happening that night. It's pretty fun. It was fun. Doug Stanh Hope. What a guy. Oh, he's awesome. Joey and Joey Diaz is awesome, too. That show couldn't have been more fun. It was beautiful. It was a beautiful show. The audience was so nice, too. They were so fun and just so they enjoyed it so much. It was just so cool. You know, that's the one most surprising thing about all this is not just the connection to all these people that we've sort of like somehow or another fostered, but how nice they are. Like when we do shows, like we do show I did a show the other day in Chicago and after the show I took pictures with people for 2 hours. We went outside and I said, "Anybody wants to take a picture?" I said, "I'll be here until the last one leaves." Great. I stood on behind a table and I just I said, "This is what we're going to do. I'll do five minutes on this side, five minutes in the middle, and then five minutes on that side, and then we'll keep switching. And we just went every five minutes. And I set my timer on my phone, and at 5 minutes, I be all right, I'm moving. I'm moving. And I'd go do this side. Dude, that's like it was just a swarm of people around these tables. But there, what my point was was for 2 hours, nobody was a dick. Not one person. Everyone was cool as [ __ ] Not one person. This is actually Dallas. I did it in Chicago, too. This is the most recent one was Dallas, but it was just no one at all. Like nothing. Not one person. No one tried to cut in line. No one was a [ __ ] No. They meant a
dick to you. I'm like, why would anybody we've seen a little bit of that. You see people, not even with us necessarily. We tour with other acts and people at the merch booth get aggressive with whoever's signing say, "Hey, this, you know, this is what I want. Give me basically you owe this to me." That kind of mentality. It does happen. I think it all I mean I don't know because I I'm trying to figure out how this happened you know because it's it never happened to me before like before the podcast and before um you know social media essentially when I was dealing with people I was dealing with people that knew me from something else they knew me from Fear Factor or they knew me from the UFC or they knew me from news radio you know or they knew me from comedy those were the options it wasn't they knew me like these people just all know me it's weird it's totally different it's They say hi like they know me, you know, like, "Dude, what's up?" And I'm like, "What's up? What's going on?" You know, it's it's very strange. They do. I mean, they get you get to reveal these really amazing parts of yourself and your and your mind on your podcast. And I think that's such a great thing about what you're doing and what you know, most podcasts, if if they're good ones, you know, you have you create good conversation. you create real situations of of conversation and people get to witness that and that's so cool. Well, they also get to be a part of it, you know, because they get to see the whole thing. Like one of the things I like about this podcast, we don't we don't like edit it. It goes out live. It's all, you know, it is what it is. And because of that, you kind of get to see who everybody really is. if it was really produced and there was all these fast edits and there was all this, you know, you know, really pre-planned segments and it would feel less like you were really there. You might enjoy it still, but you wouldn't feel like you'd know the people that well. And people that are stuck in some [ __ ] spot, wherever the [ __ ] you are, if you're in Bangor, Maine, or not, not not to to bismerch Bangor, it's a fine community. But if you're anywhere, if you're in some weird spot and you know you don't have a lot of cool people around you, you could listen to Honey Honey Talk.
You can listen to Adam Corolla. You could, you know, there's there's a bunch of people that you're going to le get to listen to the way they think. And I know for a fact that I have part of who I am has been formed by listening to people far smarter and more experienced in my selft talk and that their their thoughts shaped my reality. And so to be able to introduce other people to the thoughts and ideas that have shaped my reality, my thoughts and ideas that I've gotten from those thoughts and ideas, and other people's thoughts and ideas that continue to shape my reality. It's not just me putting on a show. It's me being a part of it and the audience be a part of it too. Everyone's a part of it. It's like I'll tell you what, I think that it's an incredible thing that you're doing that and you're continuing to do that because if the majority of people are watching [ __ ] reality shows, you know, where they're scripted and staged and there's supposed to be these candid um examples of of really asinine [ __ ] It really annoys me, you know, like Real Housewives. And it's like like trying to make something like, "Oh, you're you're wearing the same dress as me or whatever the [ __ ] be important and I'm going to fight you." I don't even know. I don't watch that [ __ ] cuz I think it's it's bad for you. I think that it um lowers your um vibration, you know what I mean? Like, and and when you're you're doing what you're doing, which is um being I I think you're brilliant. I'm not trying to be weird, but you're you have this incredible mind and you share it with people and and lots of different people and you have these situations. It's really great to listen to and you're right, people learn from it. Well, I'm definitely not brilliant, but what I am is curious and I have a lot of free time and so I just keep I keep thinking about [ __ ] because I have the ability to do so. I I I don't know if people were like born to do anything in life. I don't know if anybody was born to do anything in life, but I think for sure if you follow your passion, you feel like you were born to do this. For sure, if you actually do what you enjoy out of life. And there was some really weak ass article that somebody posted the other day that I'm sick and tired of rich people saying to follow your passion. It
was hilariously stupid. Whoever whatever dumbass wrote it, he actually had to change the title the next day because of a barrage of hate that he he got from it. But it was about Richard Branson and a bunch of people saying follow your passion. And he was saying essentially that most people shouldn't follow their passion and in fact they should keep their passion as a hobby. Yeah. You know why? Because he's a weak [ __ ] He's a weak [ __ ] and he's worried that he possibly wasted his life writing shitty articles like this. And in fact he did. And he was also talking about how, you know, fortunate he is personally to do what he does. But all these self-deprecating throws to poverty in it and all this nonsense in it. Essentially what he's doing was he was writing uh a thing that was downplaying greatness and inspiration. And when someone says follow your passion, you know, if anybody that says don't do that is a [ __ ] idiot. Because here's the thing. If you love making guitars, okay, and you just love guitars, you love making guitars, and you say, "God, I would love to make guitars for a living." Someone [ __ ] does that, okay? There's a guy out there and he gets up every morning and he makes [ __ ] guitars. And if that's what he loves to do, that guy loves life. We're not talking about breathing underwater, [ __ ] face. We're not talking about flying to the moon with a [ __ ] rubber band. We're talking about making guitars. If your passion is making guitars and you read that [ __ ] article where it says, "Don't follow your passion." [ __ ] you, stupid. [ __ ] you, you weak dummy. You [ __ ] disease of ideas. You're a disease idea. That's what you are. You're a rotten little weak man with poor hormones and you can't figure out that your passion doesn't necessarily mean rich. Like I'm so tired of rich people saying follow your passion. Shut the [ __ ] up. What difference does it make if they're rich? Everyone should say follow your passion. That's how buildings got made. That's why airplanes were invented. That's why you could watch [ __ ] television cuz someone followed their passion. What happens when you read Lord of the Rings? You're reading someone's passion. You're wearing clothes. You're wearing passion. You're listening to music. You're
listening to passion. I'm reading your stupid [ __ ] article. Your lack of passion is your passion. Your lack of following your passion is what you're so passionate about portraying. Shut up, dummy. Amen. Shut up. I'm going to hold you down and I'll butter your scone, you [ __ ] Oh, no. It's too late. They got you. Who did it? Did you do that? No. Who's the name? Hey, what's the name of the game? Diego Peru 420. Powerful Diego Peru 420. And [ __ ] you dummy follow your passion guy again. Honey Honey's following their passion. Sorry mom and dad. I I I get the feeling and I don't even I don't really mean that guy. I don't really I just point out like if that guy listens to this like Joe Rogan hates me. You mismerched me. I don't really hate that guy at all. I just would I would advise against further communications in that sort of vehicle. Well, don't don't be a naysayer. You know what I mean? Let let somebody have their [ __ ] moment. Let somebody fail if they're gonna fail or succeed. You know, like I understand his point though. I truly understand his point. But what what you know, I mean, but his all of his, you know, I was talking one of the things that Richard Brand said, you should have a couch in your kitchen. And this guy was like taking issue with if your kitchen is big enough to have a couch in it. Like stop. That doesn't mean you're rich. A lot of people can get a [ __ ] couch in a kitchen. Gee, shut the [ __ ] up. You know, like I hate that real obvious pandering. Like, I can't afford to have a couch in my kitchen. My kitchen's not big enough. Like, well, [ __ ] whatever, dude. You know, you're talking nonsense. There's got there's a better message than that. It's not It's not, you know, it's not don't follow your passions. It's not you're better off keeping your passions as your hobby. That is absolutely ridiculous. And the only person that would say that any choice in life that's that doesn't make any sense. The only person that would say that is a person who hasn't followed their passions and doesn't make a living off of it. Cuz if you can make a living off of it, I do not work. I don't work. I don't have any jobs. Even my jobs are not jobs. And I'm not the only one. I know people that make pool cues. My
friend Eric, he makes pool cues. He makes beautiful pool cues. He doesn't work. I mean, he makes pool cues. He loves it. He makes them for free and gives them out to people sometimes because he loves doing it. He loves wood. He loves creating things and construct. He started doing it while he was in the military. He did it as a hobby, just for fun because he loves doing it, you know. And so when he's making money doing it, he's not really working. What he's doing is following his passion. And if you could figure out a way to do that for money, god damn it. Why would you ever try to encourage someone to not do that? That's so crazy. That's even what we were talking about before. If you just start doing it, eventually the money is going to reveal itself. It's going to, you know, the support. Maybe it's not, you know, your whole lifestyle is being provided for, but you're going to do something with it. Yeah. Hopefully. Unless you like make weird [ __ ] like custom bad men rackets that nobody wants to buy. Toothpick TPS or something. Yeah. You some that's your passion. Yeah. Some days it's going to catch on. People sell weird [ __ ] People do sell weird [ __ ] It's amazing. And sometimes weird shit's worth a lot of money. Like I saw something. It was a Fabra egg that someone found in like a a garage sale or something like that and they it was worth like 10 million bucks. No. I did you see that? No. Pull that article up. Fabrier egg found. They were like trying to collect. But I looked at I was like, "Oh my god, I wouldn't give you a dollar for that. If you had that in my house, I'd [ __ ] push it out the door." Recently, you tried to leave that in the house. I was like, "No, no, no. You can't leave this here." No, it's You're so It's so funny. Recently I I was uh I I saw this article on Beanie Babies and it was like worth like $10,000 or and I was like holy [ __ ] Like my grandmother sent us all these Beanie Babies. Oh wow. Look at that Fabra A worth up to 20 million found by scrap metal dealer. What are you going to do with it? How is that worth $20 million? I would put that in my bathroom. That is so dumb. The idea that that's worth 20 million bucks. It's so it's so silly. But you know, you got to let somebody have their passion. And if that fab egg that's what I said.
Yeah. Buddy traps. I mean I guess maybe it's like really beautiful up close. So recently I was uh I saw this article on Beanie Babies and there's a collection in my parents' basement given to us by my grandparents when we were kids. My grandma would send us like the Princess Diana Beanie Baby. And we have like there's like a hundred of them. And so I was like I was like, "Ma, ma, I'm going to go in the basement. I think I'm going to make some money." I was like looking up all the [ __ ] hoping I could sell something on eBay cuz they were going for like $15,000. People would buy one. God for it. But it had to be like it was really weird. It had to be like um there would be like a technical flaw on the tag and somebody out there would pay $15,000 for whatever. It's so weird. Because it was really rare. Yeah. I didn't come up with anything good. I was really bummed. But I was downstairs in the basement for like an hour and a half trying trying to come up with something. So the ones that you found, what do you think they were? Hustler. Um the ones that we Oh, nothing. Maybe like 10 bucks. Oh yeah. 10 bucks or 15 grand? The sentimental value of my grandmother Florence Fantasy. So man is amazing. I see. I I understand. Yeah, she's great. It is weird how things become like super worth money, you know, very very expensive and they it doesn't make sense. like you I saw a watch and it was uh $500,000 and apparently it's this amazing handbuilt watch but it wasn't like covered in diamonds or anything like that. It was just this amazing handcrafted watch, but it's still just a watch. Like just because it's handcrafted, like if someone gave you a handcrafted spoon, would how much more would that be worth in a regular depends like was the handcrafted spoon made by Jimmyi Hendris? Okay, that's a good point. Then [ __ ] yeah, I'd be pumped about that spoon. I'd pay a few grand for a handcrafted spoon made by Jimmyi Hendris. I would never eat soup without that spoon. Yeah, that would be your spoon. That's And you like that you would use that spoon around my neck cuz I don't like guitars. You'll find guitars for 200 grand, 250 grand, but most of the people that buy them don't play them. Yeah. What? Glass box. What?
Well, they're legendary. They They're You know, you can't They're irreplaceable. There's Wow. You know, what is it like a 55 gold top? The 59 Les Paul gold top is worth a ridiculous amount of money. But and I don't know. I don't know. It depends. It always flexes, but you could probably sell one for like a hundred grand there. It's like that with old cars now. You know, there's certain like old Barracudas that are worth over a million dollars and it's just a Plymouth, a shitty old Plymouth. And the ones they want are the ones that are completely stock. Like no new wheels, no new tires, no new interior, everything's stock. Everything from the factory. Little push button radio. And people will pay exorbitant amount. Passion. Coming back to passion again. There's a guitar. I have to find one person. Oh, it's a 58. Oh, does that say 59? I can't 59 Paul. You just need one person to give a [ __ ] 58. But that that's worth $100,000. And then it is losing it, guys. That's true. Is like as soon as it becomes a demand, right? Mhm. Yeah. There's a weird thing like especially if there's a finite amount like there's a finite amount of 1972 Volkswagens. Yeah. If you find a 1972 Volkswagen bug, there's only a few of those that were ever made. You know, how many of them are there left, you know, if you get a pristine one, becomes very valable. Interesting about that is that some people actually make a business out of just the the taste making trend setting in general. Like they might not even be like a car maven, but they like they can be uh privy to the oncoming trend of do you know what I like all of a sudden everybody wants those 79 or whatever you said Volkswagen and then you could just be like this trader, you know, this eBay middle. You don't mean traitor. You mean trader. Trader trader like Yeah. This is a sweet old Volkswagen. My buddy Jimmy Lawless used to have one of those when we were 18 piled around in this [ __ ] little tiny uh Volkswagen. Jimmy Lawless at 18. Yeah. His name was Jimmy Law. Pretty hardcore. No, Jimmy was a good dude. Yeah, Jimmy. That's a badass name. Yeah, it is. I was always jealous. We've recently come across some great names. I met somebody in England and his last name was Dragon. Do you wake up every morning just feeling like you're [ __ ]
Dragon? We met Rocket, too. Rocket. There was a Rocket. One of my best friends named Eddie Bravo. That's ridiculous. Yeah, that guy Bravo's ridiculous name. People didn't believe it's a real name. They're like, "Come on, son. That ain't your name." That's his [ __ ] name. Yeah, that's uh I was stuck with Joe. Joe Rogan. It's very boring. There's nothing there. A great name. That's all right. Now, I mean, it's I made something out of it. It's not so much. It's easy to spell. Schwarzenegger is the baddest [ __ ] of all time because they came up to him and they told him, "You got to change that shit." He's like, "I don't think so. I keep it short. My last name." What is the original? Santa Suso. Damn, that's even better. Oh, man. I think when you go solo, it's it's Well, you know, it's You know, dude, matter of time. Come on, dude. Why you trying to drive away? How you how you supportive in me? I love the both of you guys together. Don't bully [ __ ] I'm bullshitting. I just can't help it. I can't help it. I have bad instincts. Oh man. My comedian instincts would always say something [ __ ] up. Destroy them all day. I fight them all [ __ ] day. You know what? We're We uh we've weathered the storms over the years. It's been rough. I'm sure it's [ __ ] rough. Well, you guys get along remarkably well. You know, one of the things I really enjoy about hanging out with you guys is how look, no one gets along 100% of the time. It just doesn't work. There's no human beings. Whether it's mother and son, whether it's father and daughter, whether it's brothers and sisters, whether it's friends and neighbors, no one gets along 100% of the time. There's going to be bumps, but you guys are you have a great energy about you. like you guys are friends, you guys are co-creators, you're you're you're collaborators, and you know, you have a very unique bond because of that. And it's it's interesting to pal around with you guys, like to go to dinner with you and hang out with you cuz your bond is is it's unique, but it's also very pure. And I'm It sounds gross to say that. I hate hate my own words. Fight pretty early on. Honestly, you figured out how to fight fight with each other and not
have it hurt each other, destroy it. Well, I don't know that. Yeah, but um we Well, you don't insult each other. That's, you know, I had a I had a friend uh we were having this conversation a while back. He was talking about his wife and he's like, you know, we're everything's fine, but man, when we fight, uh we both go for the drug right away. And I go like, what? Yeah. And I go, what do you mean go for the jugular? And he goes, well, you know, we just we know the one thing that really uh [ __ ] with each other, so we automatically go to that. And I go, "Okay, who's the first person that's doing that?" You know, I don't want to say who it was. You know what? I think um in any situation where you're um you're introduced to conflict Mhm. depending like sometimes you want to fight, you know, it's like you can you can uh be quick with your words, you know, whatever, and say mean [ __ ] but that that's kind of pointless. You know, at the end of the day, usually you're fighting depending on who you're fighting with, but like it's your loved ones, at least in my disposition. and I I love them. I don't want to hurt them. So you when you approach, you know, a confrontation in in my opinion, this is something actually I really learned a lot. My relationship with Ben in this band has made my other relationships in my life so much better because we had [Laughter] because we have to fight so hard for um sometimes not all the time for this this union for for our project and what we care about. so much. And so you have to be a good listener and you have to be humble and you have to like, you know, put your [ __ ] foot in your mouth sometimes. And and when I approach a confrontation with like my sister or my mom and like my family and I, we love each other. We love each other so much. We fight hard, you know, and it sucks and it's painful. What do you mean you guys like you fight like get angry at each other? Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. I'm not going to get into it, but but but stuff happens. Have a couple more drinks. What's your Rogan? you [ __ ] watch yourself. Um, but the the point is that if you approach any conflict or confrontation literally, and I'm not trying to be weird, with love, and
you're like, I love this person. Mhm. And you listen, you I I think more often than not, you can really come to a resolve or just a better understanding of that person. You will continue to learn more about people in your life. It's not like you this you have this all-encompassing knowledge of somebody, you know? Well, that's the useful side of fighting, too, cuz then we're hammering [ __ ] out that makes us not get along. Maybe we get along more in the future instead of figure out what it's been. Maybe there's been something you unless you like to fight, which sucks. And I Well, then you need to get away from those people. Yeah. Yeah. I I had a girlfriend once that really liked to fight and uh Well, you know, it's all right. I got rid of sex, though. Sorry. She was a crazy [ __ ] She liked to [ __ ] But there was um there was one moment where we were we're heading out to some party and I guess she was stressed out or something like that. And so she yelled at me like out of nowhere. And uh and I just this is the first time she ever yelled at me. And I go, "Hey, listen." I go, "We can't talk like this. You can't you can't have this conversation with me like this. You're not allowed to yell at me." I go, "None of my friends yell at me. No one yells at me. I don't yell at them either." I go, "If you're my friend," I go, "Why would you why would you yell at me? you don't yell at me is if you're more concerned with it just exploding, throwing up your own energy than you are with the repercussions it's going to have on the people around you. That's an ultimately very selfish thing to do. And I go, we can't we can't ever talk like that. And she just like immediately like deflated. Like all of her anger like went away. It was a very weird moment. And we just sat down and we had a conver that tone. Exactly. In that tone. Yeah. That the tone is everything. That's pretty powerful, man. Tone. Tone is powerful. Well, it was pretty powerful, but she couldn't help herself. She was she was I don't know what it was. It was something something in her childhood because we wound up staying friends, but we broke up and then she started dating some new guy. And um she calls me up and she's like really frustrated. She's really frustrated because she can't keep
yelling at this she can't keep from yelling at this guy. She keeps yelling at him and she doesn't know what to do. She's like, I yell at him and he takes it and I [ __ ] keep yelling at him and I don't know what to do. I just get I I I I can't he he lets me bully him. So I start [ __ ] bullying him and she goes and I don't I can't even stop myself. You know if you grow up with that with yelling and it's really funny like this is my mom is awesome but like I grew up with a lot of yelling. My mom yelled a lot and I was bad. So but this is kind of hysterical. We had a family bird. Um it was a boy but his name was Abby and he was an African gray and they're really smart. Like they're really [ __ ] smart animals and they repeat a lot of things and literally the bird my my sisters I grew up with Carla and Jodie like the bird would go Carla Jodie and then it would go Suzanne and it would have this like total like it would this like slur of like screaming words that you couldn't understand but it was pretty accurate cuz my I got yelled at a lot and my mom would yell at me and so it was always this reminder like when I would walk in the room that sometimes the bird would be like Suzanne yell You [ __ ] dumb [ __ ] God, my mom never called me a [ __ ] That would be horrible. Imagine she meant it though. Whatever the [ __ ] noise she made, it's the same thing as calling you a [ __ ] But it's funny like we love each other so much, but we fought a lot for the Lord. Oh, that's rough. But yeah, yelling yelling is a is a difficult thing to as an adult now. It's like um it's really funny. Ben and you know, we have I went the other way. My mom, she would just freeze me out. Yeah. So, I just go into like deep silence. Oh, that's worse. Sometimes it's better if someone has enough caring for you that they yell at you and fight with you. Like you work it out. Everybody gets tired at the end of working it out, you know. But this girl, um, you know, she wasn't a bad person. And growing up later and becoming a dad, I kind of really feel for her because I think that what happened with this this girl was just she was just programmed in a really shitty way by dummies. And she grew up in Florida and there were a bunch of dummies around her and she serial capital of the United States.
Serial killer capital. Yeah. Not cereal. There's a lot of cocoa puffs there. Gosh, Captain Crunch by the [ __ ] warehouse. Delicious. You know, I think that's a lot of who we are. It's like how we were programmed when we were young. And this girl, she wasn't a bad person. She was just battling with her programming as she was trying to be an actress, which [ __ ] good luck with all that. It's It's really funny. Sorry, Ben. Go ahead. I was just going to say, isn't that what the neuroplasticity concept is, though? You can change that stuff. You can, but you know, neuroplasticity is all nice and good, but if you if you're that [ __ ] up, I recommend MDMA. I don't think that neuroplasticity is really going to [ __ ] get you to the dance. But what does that do? Just kind of blast it all. Makes you feel it. Makes you understand love in a weird pure form, you know? I mean, and people could say it's a drug, but that drug, by the way, exists in everyone's brain right now as we speak. What you what you're dealing with with dopamine and, you know, and MDMA is elevated dopamine levels, elevated feelings of love and passion and connection to each other. It's just, you know, somebody sent me this video. It's really kind of interesting. You probably find it, Brian. It's uh Joe Rogan talks indirectly about rave culture and it was me talking about about setting up some sort of psychedelic community and that it would be incredibly beneficial to people to set up communities where we we could figure out how to meet and everybody take something that would tune us all in to this sort of frequency of of love. And so someone took me talking about that and connected it to raves where if you look up at that screen, like anytime you're seeing a rave like this, 99.9% of those people are on ecstasy. You're looking at 15,000 people that are in this huge football arena and they're they're dancing around and touching each other and having a great [ __ ] time. Why are they having such a great time? How come they can get together and smush up like that and no one's a dick? I'll tell you why. because they're all on ecstasy. And when I say
99.999 that point whatever, those people are [ __ ] It shouldn't be a but not necessarily. Can I be honest with you? I think that also um I read this book on collective joy. Um, and it's really interesting because it like back to our primitive tribal selves, like you know, when there would be like rain dances and the tribes would dance and they would all move together, you know, there would be this collective sort of consciousness that people would have coalescing between them. And I like I recently have reconnected with dancing. Like I I went to I went to a party and there was a DJ and you know I had like a couple drinks whatever but like I wasn't on drugs at the time and um you know rarely but let's get into that later but um the the dancing the the movement with with the sound is a powerful thing. Drugs or no drugs and I think there's something really interesting about it as far as a collectivi you know group of people. Well, that's in harmony. You know, as a comedian, that's what I essentially do for a living. As a a comedian, what you're doing is connecting all these minds together in some sort of a harmonious tribal function. That's why the smaller the tribe usually generally the better it works. Mhm. You know, but one of the weird things about this connection with the internet is that people are getting used to larger and larger numbers. We've had shows where it's 3,000 plus people and it feels like it's intimate, you know? It feels intimate, like everyone's tuned in. 3,000 people and they're all tuned in. And I mean, I mean directly tuned in, responsible, like they feel like they're a part of what's going on. But when when you really feel it more is when you could see everybody, it's like 300 people. It's like I think the number like when you get above 300 people, things get squirly. like you can handle it if the people are the right people, but most most of the time you're better off with 300 people, but what you're essentially doing is you're conducting like a tribal sort of a bonding moment. Like everybody's experiencing the same vibe. Everybody's like that moment in St. Paul. Yeah. We were playing, we had a show last week in St. Paul and every once in a while we just get to play to a group of about 300 people who it's and you know being seated with our music
helps because when we're a duo it's not really rhythmically heavy. So you have a seated group of people and they're just so willing and kind of vulnerable to us taking charge and there's this energy that goes way beyond what we can do and all of a sudden, you know, it's a it's a it's a show between us and them and they're they're putting in more than we are, you know, and and those experiences, they I don't know, they haven't happened as as as often as we'd like, but they seem to be happening more and it's an amazing feeling. It's like it it's kind of a weightlessness when you're performing. You don't have to think about it anymore. Well, we all need the audience. You know, the audience is for you and for comedians. I think you we need it in a in a different way, but it's similarly important. You know, an audience is there to like let you know that they're tuning in to all this work that you've done. They get all the things that you've said. They they understand all the stuff that you've Mhm. you know, labored on and and and and and formed into these rhythmic sort of uh these pieces, you know, which is what a song really is. Yeah. And with for comedians, it's not just like we it's [ __ ] 100% mandatory. Like you can't even write it without them. Like the writing changes when you're around them. when they become a part of it and their laughter, each crowd you perform in front of helps shape the material. It changes the material from week to week, you know, it's without without those other people. Without the other the involvement of the other people, it really doesn't even exist. It's weird. Well, I I never think about this show, but I was just thinking about American Idol when we're talking about this. Like the culture think about it every day, you [ __ ] liar. He's like, when is it going to be my time? I never think about this show. It's too Never. I'm I'm over the hill, man. No, but I think that it's like a competition culture and I think that [ __ ] it up. I think that [ __ ] it up a lot. It helps the people that make it, but it doesn't because then the [ __ ] just money just lines up. What's that dude's name? Pockets. What's his name? Simon. Simon. Simon anymore. Does
he giant mansion on the top of the hill? You know, I think I feel like we have talked about this before on the podcast, but it's it's important to bring up again. And I think um uh things like the American Idol uh microwave mentality is really toxic to people to to have like this um you know inst insta grat you know all all this stuff happening you know you won this thing. It's like you won the lottery. The lottery is you know more often than not a really terrible thing for people and you know it's um stupid people tanks. It's tough, you know, being being a musician and then seeing that, you know, we've had several It's really funny. We've had several invitations to be on these like competitive shows like and people are like, "We really want you to be a part of it." And it always just feels so wrong to me. It always feels like um you know, you you lo you lose a lot to begin with. Like the people that are involved want to take all of your you know, publishing and stuff like that and own you in a way. And that and that does kind of come back to what you were talking about before is like we want you to sound like this and do this and sing this and and [ __ ] that, you know, but but at the same time, not to talk about us, but the just the mentality of of the princess like the the fairy tale is is rough on people, you know? I don't I don't like it. Sorry. I I agree with you a thousand%, but that's not a real number. Um I I really do. I I think that uh I I entered a contest once uh in Boston, the WBCN Comedy Riot. It was the only contest I ever entered. I I lost in the finals or Oh, I was like, did you [ __ ] slay it? No. Damn it. No, a nice guy won. Can't begrudge the the gentleman who won. He was a very nice guy. Um but it was just like I just the idea of it was so silly. It's like how can you I mean you I guess you can judge based on what's best for you. like what do what do you find the best? But you can't have a music contest where you have like a rap band and a country band and a rock band and a folk band. You can't because there's no best. There's the best for you. All right. If it's me, it's very likely a rap band is never going to win. There's there's a few rappers unless it's like Nas or something like that. There's a few rappers who really love Killer Mike who
really connect with me, you know, where I really feel like I I appreciate what they're doing as an art form. Too much of is just braggadocious nonsense, you know. Live hip-hop's tough, too, cuz it's you it's just hard to hear what they're saying. That's Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. What? What? Yeah. What? That's kind of a lot what our new record is going to sound like. I like it. Go with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Honey, honey. But it could be like some Deantword songs, you know, are [ __ ] perfect. Freaky and I Yeah, exactly. I love that chick and I like it a lot. I love that crazy [ __ ] What? [ __ ] what's Oh, I think you're freaking some of these interviews with her cuz apparently she just reams out everyone who interviews her. Yeah. Yeah, that [ __ ] is crazy. I'll have her on the podcast. This whole, you know, tough exterior. I'll tie that [ __ ] up. David Cho's friends with her. He hangs out with Perfect. Let's do it. Let's make it happen. Those guys signed a shirt for me. I got a shirt, a t-shirt from them. They're badass. I love uh we saw them at Coachella or I saw them at Coachella before we played Nick. Yeah, they're they're gangster. They're pretty badass. But I mean, unless it's something like really unique like that, it's it's hard for me to get into too much rap because it's just not my tune, you know? Whatever it is, it's not my frequency. I'm a like a big fan of the Black Keys. I'm a big fan of a band. I don't know if you guys heard of them. They're called Honey Honey. And uh they're probably one of my favorites. Pretty lame. No, that name is lame, but if a lot of your friends are around and they're like football players or something like that, like don't play it in front of them and you know, they wind up [ __ ] you. Where are you guys at? We're doing a little run uh in April. I would like to offer you something right now and uh you cannot you cannot say no. I would like to tweet all of your dates. Let me know anytimes you're anywhere. Oh man, thank you. I'd be more than happy. I do it with everybody. Thank you, Joseph. I do with everybody and no one gets annoyed. Everybody is happy about it because they find out, you know, We get weird about it. Yeah, we feel weird asking for [ __ ] I don't get annoyed. I I won't drink beers. I barely drink. I I appreciate that you guys get
feel weird, but it it's no work at all for me. And uh I I would probably feel weird if I was asking you. So uh so don't feel weird. I'll tweet for you anytime. Well, how about we make a deal? You [ __ ] tweet for me, too. All right. Done. You tweet for me, I'll tweet for you. Let's make it happen. Okay. We made an agreement. So on tape, so anytime you're anywhere, every time you're anywhere, unless I'm hunting in Alaska, which I will be doing soon, I'm going to the Brooks Range to [ __ ] up a moose's day. Oh my god, that deer is delicious. Do you know how to butcher it? What happens the moment? What do you do? That's all I'm doing, man. All I'm doing these days is [ __ ] every day I do podcast, then I get home from podcast, I shoot bows and arrows. Oh my god. I shot 150 arrows yesterday with a 90 lb bow. I'm not [ __ ] around. I want to go. [ __ ] yeah, [ __ ] Listen, both of you guys can come. You got to sing songs though and scare away the bears. I'll do it. I'll do it. They hate our [ __ ] Well, Steve Reanella, who's the the host of this show that I do called The Meat Eater, I've done his show twice, and I'm I'm committing to doing it like four times a year. We go out and hunt. It's amazing show. The guy's a brilliant author. He's incredibly well read, just a brilliant guy who also happens to be a really badass hunter who is really into what they call fair chase hunting. And the fair chase hunting is he won't hunt in a caged environment. He's not going to hunt even if it's 10,000 acres. If there's a fence up, he's not hunting there, you know. He he will hunt wild land, you know, p mostly public land, some but it has to be a wild animal, you know. And um one of the things that uh we're trying to figure out is something we could do together. My thought of what we can do together is take people who have never hunted before hunting like honey. Honey, dude down. Were you down? Would you like to hunt something ugly and like uh that people aren't really into like pigs first? Like it's a good one. Wow. Or we heard that there's some crazy We have friends that live up in in uh and these dudes there's like a culture of dudes up there who go out knife hunting boores. I'm not going to force you guys to do that. I'm not
interested in that either. I'm not interested either. But there's a place called Tahone Ranch and we have a relationship with them and they're only an hour and a half north of here. It's the biggest ranch in California. 270,000 acres and they have 50,000 pigs. Oh my god, it's insane. They're infested with pigs. So, wait, what what what is our uh weapon of choice? Are we bow and arrow or we No, no, no. It takes a long time to get good with a bow and arrow. like hundreds and hundreds of I am I have a I have a bow and arrow hunt scheduled for June one of the reason dude if you killed a [ __ ] wild pig with a shooting star you'd be my new hero I wouldn't suck your dick but I'd let you lay it on my forehead and take a picture that'd probably get me there to be honest you must train but it's really hard to [ __ ] it's really hard to shoot a pig with a bow and arrow I'm sure with a throwing knife it's virtually impossible with a are. God damn it. You're talking fantasy. But with a rifle, we can get the job done. With a rifle, it's not hard at all. We We've shot some rifles. Mhm. You need a a really good hunting rifle and a good guide. But this place to ranch is, like I said, an hour and a half north of LA. And it's enormous. And it's all wild. There's no fences. It's just a huge piece of property that these congregate on. No, during the day. It's illegal to hunt at night. Oh, is it? Hard to see. Also, I just thought I'd do another challenge in Texas. Night vision. You go night vision. In Texas, they do. That's crazy. I've never actually hunted. I've been thinking about it, though, honestly, because I I I started eating meat again. And I just realized like if I'm willing to take this [ __ ] shrink wrapped from a freezer in a store, I need to be okay with killing this. Well, while we speak, my I have a ham that's brining that I I shot a couple of months ago. Shot a pig. Yeah. Holy [ __ ] Joe. That's amazing. At Tahone Ranch, I shot that deer, too. That that head right in front of you. This this It's beautiful. I would put that on my wall. It was slightly more beautiful when it was wandered around, but way more delicious after it's boned out. What did you put structure on? No, I I brought it to a guy who does that professionally and uh they take the brains out and uh bleach
it down. You don't want to keep some stinky brains. Yeah, that's that's pretty gross. You know how they do it? They use u a type of uh bug that they use to clean off um cadaavver bones. It's called a superworm. I know about this because we actually uh fed it to people on Fear Factor. I did know that. Oh man, that's [ __ ] up. It's pretty dope. It takes a while, too. They leave the uh the skull with these superworms for quite a while and they just go to work and they chew off every single ounce of flesh. You take the the skull, you put it in I don't know. I think it takes a few weeks afterwards. The worms eat. No, but I mean, so then they have this move on the next and the next guy's got to [ __ ] They're like they're super worm 18 that just goes from cadaavver to cadaavver. Well, there's this thing that they do um where you can get a head mounted after you shoot a deer like a trophy. You can get it mounted and they they take it and they put like glass eyes in it and they leave the skin on and they do a taxiderermy thing which is a little odd, you know. I So, where were you when you shot this guy? This guy? Which one? The guy name. Oh, the the Predator. That's a friend of mine's uh buddy. I got him tickets for the UFC. I wish I could remember his name off the top of my head. I want to say Steve. He's a special effects guy. And the uh the guy uh Pat McGee did the American Werewolf who's uh that's out in the uh frightens me in the front area. You're going to be going up against those in Alaska. No, you know what? this this uh show me eater. They they know exactly what they're doing. They know where to go. You're always going to deal with bears, but you just have to make sure that you scare them off and you keep an eye on them. And there's a lot of guys with guns and you don't want to hurt the bears, but you don't want the bears stealing your caribou. You got to be real careful. Well, you It's not even [ __ ] What is that? 20 worst pieces of terrible taxiderermy. Yeah, there's like Look at that puma. That puma came near me. Hello. Hey. Hey, man. You know where the bus stop is? Oh, that's awful. Oh, man. This is what I'm going to That is weird. Look at that cat. That is weird. Some people mix them together, too. That's kind of Suzanne,
when you get back, we're going to sing some songs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. Look at that. That's a guy who shot the front legs out with a [ __ ] missile. That is weird. Hey guys, I'm you know I mean it's a weird thing. I would never shoot an animal just to make a trophy out of it. Never in a million years. But if I found an animal in my like backyard and it was dangerous and I shot it and they said, "Do you want to make a trophy out of it?" I'd be like, "Fuck yeah." Talk about contact. That's if that wolf that wolf is ridiculous. Hi guys. Here for the party. Do you know that there's a concern right now that wolves might eventually start to uh reemerge in Paris? I have not heard that. They're starting to make their way closer and closer towards Paris and they're they're really worried right now that there might be a moment in the somewhat near future when wolves once again are in Paris. How are they going to last? Well, that's the crazy thing, man. They kill people. Wolves killed like 40 people in Paris in the 1400s. [ __ ] There's a Yeah, it's like a famous incident. I'll pull it up right now. The Wolves of Paris. Yeah, there's a few books about it also. Yeah, it's [ __ ] scary as [ __ ] Is that the American I mean, is that where American Werewolf in Paris comes from? No, that's because the American Werewolf in London needed a sequel. Look at this cover. Hi, guys. That's a beautiful little cutie pie. And I love wolves. People are like, "Oh, [ __ ] you want to kill all the wolves." I don't. I love wolves. Don't get me wrong. I love wolves out there being all wolfy. My problem is when wolves come anywhere near people I care about, I want them dead. I want their family dead. Who's the shirtless dude? Wolves in Paris. The other guy's got a little tiny little coyote dick he's trying to pass off as a wolf. Wolves of Paris. Is that his band or his book? It's like I think it's a It's a book. It's a sequel to 50 Shades of Purple that comes out after 50 Shades of Gray. They run out of [ __ ] to talk about with color, so they go with animals. Wolves of Paris. When I was in Paris, I had a He had a wolf amlet on. He ball gagged me. Yeah. Tag team. Yeah. So, we You missed a lot. In Paris in
1450, 40 human beings were killed by wolves. Jesus. Yeah. Well, we were talking about um wolves. No, regular wolves. Real. Okay. There's uh an issue right now where wolves are getting closer and closer to Paris and they're worried about wolves reemerging in Paris because they have very strict environmental Yes. They have Yeah, they have very strict environmental uh rules as far as uh animals you're allowed to kill and not kill. And the wolves, what kind of wolves? Like the regular kind like timber wolves or Well, there's really only one kind of wolf. Um, like I I got explained that by uh this guy Steve Reanella that I do this hunting show with. Okay. Um, like pigs, there's only one kind of pig. Like when you talk about wild pigs, there is literally only one type of pig. Wild or domestic is the same thing. It's called sus grapha. That's the type of uh animal. Okay, I didn't know that. But wolves, same thing. There's just wolves. Greywolf, timberwolf. It's essentially like the difference between, you know, human beings. There's human beings that live in Jamaica. There's human beings that live in Tennessee. Different colors, what have you. But they're just human beings. It's less sizes. Exactly. They have bigger decks. But um wolves uh that was one of the issues with wolves that were brought in from uh Canada cuz they brought in wolves to Canada and they repopulated uh Yellowstone. Yeah. Really? Yeah. And a lot of other places. Did we play that, Jamie? We did play that. Wolves change rivers. Did we play that? Yeah, we did. There's a great documentary for those who have not seen it. It's called uh Wolves Change the Course of Rivers in Yellowstone. And it's it's amazing. And uh it's fascinating how just the reintroduction of wolves to uh Yellowstone National Park has actually changed the way the rivers flow. It's [ __ ] incredible [ __ ] I'm not anti-wool. I'm not anti- anything. I am not anti I talk [ __ ] okay? I don't mean what I say. And people need to understand that. I'm really happy to know that the wolves are repopulating. I'm not. I I hope they die in a fire. Wolves are one of my spirit animal. [ __ ] [ __ ] Little shitty dogs that want to eat babies. You say that unless you were alone with a wolf. Don't
you know? You're like chops Norris and lone wolf Mcquade. No. I I have an affinity for like birds of prey and and wolves and things like that. Have you ever met an eagle in the wild? No, but I [ __ ] like I would freak out. I love them so much. What's so funny? Have you ever met an eagle in the wild? I can't wait till the day happen one day. You're going to dance with a devil in the pale moonlight. I have. I sure have. I will say no more. An eagle in the wild is very different than an eagle that's in a zoo. That's what I'm saying. I've never seen many I've seen many like, you know, flying around growing up. I have a lot of family in Minnesota and we would have eagles in Minnesota. Are you kidding me? They call themselves eagles. Come on, Rogan. They're like gang members in [ __ ] Irvine. That's like the eagle capital. I don't think it's the eagle capital. All right. I was in Alaska with Ari Shafir. We went uh we went salmon fishing. We we saw a bunch of eagles. It was [ __ ] freaky. Big man. Yeah. Did you call any to your arm? Your outstretched arm? Oh, there's none of that going on, dude. They'll eat your face. They The only thing they're looking at you is like, can I carry this guy away? Hm. Too big. If you were a baby, they would [ __ ] eat your [ __ ] This is awful. Eagles are essentially dinosaurs that made it. That's all they are. What do you think about the the Oculus Rift uh purchase by Facebook? Isn't that great? Amazing. I'm very [ __ ] excited about that, actually. I'm just excited that there's more uh financial resources behind the process of Oculus Rift or the uh the uh rather not the product house, the um technology. Yeah. I just hope I that Facebook seems cool. It's like, you know, one of the things we were talking about recently was about that one I find very encouraging about this new tech money is that these guys, whether it's the Google people or the Facebook people, they seem ethical, you know, they seem they're making a shitload of money, but their their intentions seem fairly pure. Yeah. And it's gotten more serious just from this purchase where before it was still kind of like an, you know, not many people knew about it.
Like my mom did. Yeah. Now it's, you know, everyone's going to know about this in a couple years. So, I think it's I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. I love that [ __ ] Zuckerberg [ __ ] weirdo. Yeah. I think he's beautiful. I'll give him a kiss right in the mouth if he was in the room. You have a Facebook page, Joe? I do. I have a um a fan page. I I can't respond to emails, so please don't. I can't get I just can't get into the habit. Not to you. I'm not saying that to you. I'm saying it to other people. Please don't. Ben, tired of you [ __ ] emailing me, dude. Joe, what are you doing now? Shut up. What are you hunting now? There's no way. It's impossible. Let me show you my knife. Uh, is that a euphemism? Do I have to? Let me show you my blade metaphor. Why? It's shaped like an elephant's trunk. It's dull, but it's It'll cut your soul. Effective. vaguely affected. What are you guys going to play? Oh, sorry. We're going to play a song called Big Man. My good friends, the only band I've ever worked with ever in real life. What are you going to play? Big Man, what's happening with Big Man? That's the song we're going to play. Oh, yeah. Real life. Well, you play with us, Joe. When you play some drums, I feel like you could get play drums. I want to just watch do too many things. Play drums. Super group. Bet you play mean skin flute. Come on. The penis. Obvious here. Is this okay, guys? Yeah. Hit it. Let it go. Not wear these. Hey. Hey. How's that work? Oh, boy. Ready? Yeah. [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Music] Oh, how they cry when the big men die. They spill buckets. out their eyes. Plain white faces and plain gray stones. He took that white coane up his [Music] nose. Sing for that big man baby. Down by the river and the railroad tracks. Baby ain't happy that he's gone. That
won't bring him back to life now. When he went down, there was a trembling p. And they came far and wide to the funeral. When the people show up their broken will they drank all day and they caught pills. [Music] Sing for that big man baby down by the river in the railroad tracks. Baby ain't happy that he's gone. That won't bring him back to life now. [Music] You can cry your head off, Baby, let it roll right off your bones. It's all part of some big plan, baby. But no one should ever die alone. No one should ever die [Music] alone. Bones buried. Bones buried deep. Bones that won't shake now to sleep. And he looks down. Oh, he looks up. He was a good man. That was enough. [Music] Same for that big man. Down by the end tracks baby ain't happy that he's gone. That won't bring him back to life now. Sing for happy man. Baby river in the railro tracks. Baby ain't happy that he's gone now. [Music] God damn. Wow. That's [ __ ] awesome. That was awesome. That's a beautiful song. [ __ ] Thanks. Thanks, man. Is that one of the ones going to be in the new special? That's the idea. Yeah, that's what we're shooting for. Do you guys have a name? For the record. For the record? No. No, not yet. But, uh, we're open to ideas. But, you know, can I be honest? We're really um we're working with a new dude this weekend. That's why we're here. and a new producer. Yeah. And we're really really honored and excited that he really wants to work with us and it's kind of sort of like a trial run. So fingers crossed it he's our guy. Awesome. Yeah. But it's it's it's [ __ ] hard. Listen, I know it is. Um, you know, it's it's easy for me to say I know it's hard, you know, but I've watched you guys, you know, I know I I at least I know from observing your struggle and I have friends that are
musicians and I have friends, you know, like Everlast who's made it and and friends who are still struggling and I I know it's a crazy business. It ain't easy, you know, but you guys are talented as [ __ ] and I'll buy your [ __ ] all day. Thanks. You know, I'm honored to be friends with you guys, but if I wasn't friends with you guys, I would buy the [ __ ] [ __ ] out of your music. I love it. I I became a fan when I saw that uh Angel of Death uh acoustic version that you guys did on a roof somewhere here in LA back in the Disney. Yeah. It's so cool that you can find someone like that. I can see you guys on this video. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, we're hanging. We're friends. It's awesome. We live in awesome times, man. It's just beautiful. It's beautiful that and there was no middleman. We all made that happen together, you know? Just great. It's [ __ ] incredible. That's what's been happening more and more, too, is being able to just talk to the people who are supporting us. Why don't we do a Honey Honey podcast? Why don't you guys start doing a podcast? [ __ ] yeah. We got some gear, you know, like talking to the mic. Yeah, especially when you guys are on the road. You could just Yeah. Put two mics and, you know, do it in a hotel room or car like Suzanne. I saw that little thing you did where you're interviewing the cat. Shut the [ __ ] up. I saw that, Bruce Wayne. Yeah, I saw you interviewing the cat. That was before we ever met. That's some ridiculous [ __ ] We used to do some fun stuff. We should [ __ ] do that again. Before we ever met, I saw that and I was like, "These are like some really genuine people." I'm like, "You guys are cool." Because I think there's a weird thing that everyone does, including me who's met I've met a lot of people that are on television or a lot of people that are, you know, artists or, you know, musicians or actors or comedians or what you met a lot of people with varied responses. It's like sometimes you meet them and they're like you like you're bummed out that you met them and then sometimes you meet them and you're like, "Wow, these people, you know, I feel that way too. Pretty [ __ ] badass." I get kind of squeamish when there's somebody I really really like and I know I'm going to meet them.
Yeah, like with Cheryl, I was like, "Oh god, like this turned out to be [ __ ] awesome." You know, and sometimes you just have to like Yeah, you have to sort of just accept like sometimes the the musicians or actors or whatever, you love their work and then they turn out to be a douche. You could still love their work. It's just, you know, you have to separate it, you know. Yeah. And it's not saying that they have to be that way either. It's just it's also saying that if you meet a guy and they're just extra or a girl and they're just extraordinarily talented but incredibly troubled, you got to realize that there's like a balance going on with human beings. There's this weird balance and it's it doesn't always work out right. You know what's interesting though? I think it's shifting a lot more. You know, you get people like Jimmy Fallon who are these like I love Jimmy Fallon. I think he's creating this realm of like joy comedy. um br like brilliant [ __ ] you know, and and like he's got this like great childhood, like this great family he loves. Like, well, he seems like a sweet guy, too. Seems like a nice guy. I think there's room for that. You don't You don't have to be [ __ ] up to to be an artist anymore, you know? And you never really did. Are you calling Jimmy Fallon an artist? You got to slow the [ __ ] horse down. I'm just kidding. I'm I'm kidding. Of course, he's an artist. Nobody does a better Neil Young impression than Jimmy Fallon. Well, I also think that he's probably I mean, he's probably one of the best talk show hosts ever. He really cares. You can just tell he is a genuine guy. Like there's that this coming off of him. Like he seems like a genuinely nice guy. And so is Jimmy Kimmel, by the way. Jimmy Kimmel is a genuinely nice guy. He's a sweetheart. Like, you know, heard somebody said something about Jimmy Kimmel was uh he was a dick to Rob Ford, you know, like, okay, come on, man. The guy's [ __ ] the Toronto mayor and he smokes crack. Like you kind of if you only have 7 minutes with that guy, I'm sorry, but we got to get down to business. I can't allow you to [ __ ] talk about your favorite football team for 6 minutes. And then, hey, what about that crack thing? You know, we got to get busy right away. And if it looks
like I'm being a dick, I'm so sorry, but you smoke crack. You're the [ __ ] mayor of Toronto, son. Come on. You got to give up a certain amount of uh decorum when you're addressing such Jimmy Kimmel where he interviewed Jay Leno after the swap. I thought that was incredible, man. Well, you know what, man? Jimmy Kimmel let Jay Leno know what the [ __ ] is up. That's what he did. Yeah, you got to hand it to somebody who's going to like have the balls to go to real town, you know? My only problem with that is that Jay Leno was also being sort of in in a sense enabled or thrust into that situation by the network because the network why would the network change everything around if they didn't want to? I mean like why are you getting upset? Like if if the con if Conan O'Brien went into that position and then all a sudden the [ __ ] show exploded and became this monster mega hit that everybody thought it would be then there would be no discussion with Jay Leonard to go back and take over the Tonight Show. So then there would be no discussion about falling back on his word or like you know what did you It's It was all weird. It was in a little bit of a way. It's weird. That's it's it's the when you you're dealing with those [ __ ] weird sort of talk show host situations, you know, you're dealing with those weird like the battle between, you know, this guy and that guy and they're going to who's the best and like that. Did you see that talk show war the the talk show war show with Letterman and Jay Leno where it shows how Letterman and Jay Leno were like battling with each other and Letterman always wanted to do tonight show Late Night. Was it called Late Night? I think it was called Late Night. And Jay Leno hid in the closet and heard these NBC executives plotting against him while he was in the closet. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. So like he knew like what to say to them. He knew how to [ __ ] with them like to let them know. So they did like a bug sweep of the room to try to find the bug. He was hiding in the closet. It's hilarious really. But it doesn't seem like that's the right way to do it, you know? And I I I like that what Jimmy Kimmel did was like stand up for another talk show host. He like and just say the [ __ ] that everyone was thinking. So I just like it when that
happens with public. I just love that he decided that it was something that he wanted to do. I love that you know he's so so strongly like in support of Conan that he decided to like show solidarity and in his interview with Jay Leno. do that. You use this word genuine a bunch of times. I think that's like the [ __ ] nucleus of of all the stuff like of the podcast of your genuine conversations and your genuine, you know, um messages and stuff like that. Like there's a lot of interesting things happening like Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. And you get somebody who's not afraid to speak the truth. That's that's really powerful [ __ ] Well, Jimmy Yeah. Jimmy, you know, Jimmy, both of them, Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel, both I think they get they you have this sense that they like themselves. Like they're happy with who they are. They're not, you know, they're they're not dissatisfied. [ __ ] yeah. Everybody should for sure. But like Jimmy Kimmel, like when I took over the man show with Doug Stanh Hope, like he could have been a total dick about that easily. He could have been rude. He could have made fun of us. And it didn't turn out well. It turned out to be a disaster. I didn't know that he had like a bad relationship with the people that were producing it. They had like real issues, legal issues, u like issues over content, issues over ownership. There's like there was a lot of [ __ ] that went down apparently. I don't know the the the real roots behind it, but I didn't know that. I thought these guys just didn't want to do it anymore and now we could do it. And I didn't talk to them about it, but he was never a dick about it. Not even a little bit. Like he's like he he sent me an email was is very friendly about it. like the the the the possibility to be a douchebag was there and he would have been right and he chose not to do it. He would have been right, but it wasn't he wouldn't even been a douchebag. It would just make it something that it wasn't, you know, and I just I I've always respected that guy, but I respected him even more because of that. Because if I was in his position, I might make fun of me, you know? I I might be shitty to me. And when I did his show, he was like super cool like after the fact. And I I like apologized to him for doing a shitty version of the man show. And but
it was there was no animosity. He's just a good guy. And like you can tell that that that somehow or another gets through the TV. It gets through the wires. It reaches you. You know, somehow or another it gets in there. And I don't know how much of that you can fake. You know, you can fake something. And you could fake a smidg in a smidge here or there, but a genuine niceness like that Jimmy Fallon exudes. Damn. I don't know if an [ __ ] knows how to do that, you know? I don't know if an [ __ ] knows how to hit that frequency. Did you guys see the video of them uh with uh with of you two and Jimmy Fallon on the opening night? No, I don't think so. Oh my god. Listen, one of the most transformative moments of my life over the last year was falling asleep on the couch. Um, you know, whatever. I I worked out. I had something to eat and I was sitting on the couch and a lot of times I watched like uh I watched like bow hunting shows or I watched MMA fights. I'm a [ __ ] caveman. If you came over and looked at my DVR, you'd be like, "What the [ __ ] is going on here?" I just like what I like, okay? I'm not judging myself, but I fell asleep and I woke up and it was the premiere of the Jimmy Fallon uh first season, first episode of the Tonight Show. And as I woke up, you two was singing the ac cappella version of Ordinary Love or acoustic version rather of Ordinary Love. And uh Jamie, pull it pull it up. Isn't that from the Frozen soundtrack? You two on Is it though? No. Listen, it's a brilliant new song from YouTube, but it's not just that it's brilliant. It's one of those moments where um you're watching in Bono, you're watching like a just a [ __ ] brilliant artist. Say what you want about that guy, you know? Say what you want about his political ties and his charitable causes and his sunglasses indoors at night. Say what you want about that guy. That guy is a bad [ __ ] And whatever it is out there that makes things great, whatever it is where you're watching Pink singing while she's spiraling around over an audience and and never losing tune and knowing that it's completely live, or whether it's Bono sitting on that [ __ ] couch and you two behind him playing and Jimmy Fallon is sitting there and Will Smith is sitting there and it's so undeniably
brilliant that I I woke up from a nap sitting on the couch to woke up just in time for them to be joking around and then go into that song. Like the universe wanted me to see this. That's crazy. It's [ __ ] perfect. It's a perfect moment of entertainment. It has perfect music. It has a perfect response. It has a perfect moment being the premiere of Jimmy Fallon's version of the Tonight Show. It has perfect being one of the greatest actors ever. Will Smith is sitting there. I mean, a huge [ __ ] movie star. I mean, people don't think he's a badass [ __ ] I've never seen him play Muhammad Ali. The audience is standing up and they're all on their feet scand applaud. Like if you go to those uh like if you go to tonight shows Chaping at least the old ones they used to have a guy would tell you when to applaud. There was like signs would light up or a guy would like hold up a sign. It's crazy. That was some beautiful [ __ ] right? That was amazing. And I love the roots. You got Godamn. I love them. I love I love the band. I love Jimmy Fallon. But I love that moment. That moment is that I'll never forget that. sitting them by myself, gym shorts, still sweaty, like staring at the TV and it it comes on and I'm just like, "God damn, I just saw something. I just saw a [ __ ] shooting star. I saw an asteroid hit. I saw some freaky [ __ ] you know? I mean, that's crazy that an asteroid that's only happened once. Asteroids have hit the earth many times, you I mean, how many [ __ ] how many times has there been a a big hole slammed into in the earth because a rock fell from the sky? A lot. How many times has you two been on the Jimmy Fallon show? Once you two was on the Jimmy Fallon show one time ever, and it was the first time. There's only one first time ever in the whole universe that you two is going to be on the Jimmy Fallon show. That's crazy. Unless you believe in true infinity and that's the monkey wrench. Because true infinity means if there is a you that the world is what what you see everything exists in the exact same form not only once but infinitely. So not only are there so many possibilities in the concept of infinity. Infinity meaning infinite possibilities. We can't even imagine what that means. What that
means is that everything that you've ever experienced, everything that I've ever experienced, you looking exactly like you, you looking exactly like you, you with the same creepy dude who tried to sneak you into the woods to see a [ __ ] largemouth bass. All of that exists in the exact same order, in the exact same form, in an infinite number of times. So that's how crazy infinity is. Wrap your [ __ ] head around that. trying to I'm like I'm like wait a second. So somewhere out there there is a it's not just one show right now right there. Not only that YouTube is playing you're not supposed to say you it's like you too like I say it like you two shouldn't say it that way but YouTube right now is probably playing an infinite amount of times all over the universe and at the exact same moment at the exact same moment the exact same words are coming out of the exact same mouth. that experience, everything that has ever happened. The idea of that never happening again like you on the other side of the world for sure the not on the other side of the world but the other side of the universe. The idea of everything that has ever happened being unique in comparison to the creation of the world is so preposterous. The idea that we're so [ __ ] important because we are capable of saying, capable of talking, capable of explaining how important we are. But the idea that we are any weirder than a black hole or a sun, I mean, it's ridiculous. So the idea of human civilization happening in the exact same order everywhere, we'd be like, how is that possible? But how would it be possible for there to be other planets? That's way crazier. And there's a [ __ ] [ __ ] ton of those, dude. How would it be possible that there's water in space? Oh, there's a lot of it. In fact, that's what you're seeing when you see a comet, stupid. You're seeing water flying off the back of that thing. That's water. That's a [ __ ] Earth-sized chunk of water flying through space. Holy [ __ ] You know, yeah, the whole thing is nuts. It's not nuts that you don't exist, not just once, but an infinite amount of times. That's more likely than a star. That's more likely than a black hole. That's more likely than just the idea of people breathing air and staying alive and fish sucking air out of water
and some [ __ ] weird contraption called gills. That's nuts. All of it's nuts. The fact that it exists the same place in the same form all over the the universe in an infinite amount of times in exactly the same order, that seems like likely if you think how nuts it is. That's why when you see a moment like you two on the Jimmy Fallon show singing that song, like you're witnessing a universal unique moment. Universal through everything, through the whole thing. Like that that feeling you get when you get goosebumps. The whole universe got goosebumps for that. Well, and it's interesting that you woke up for it. It's like you're in tune with that kind of thing. No, I got lucky. I probably had a pee. I probably I I drank a lot of coconut water. I drank some of that this delicious C2O coconut water. I probably had a pee most likely. But maybe not. I mean, I'm I'm not convinced that reality is real. I'm not convinced you guys are even here. We're not. Me neither. Oh, no. We're not. All this YouTube internet stuff is kind of a approximation of it, isn't it? Because now we can we just watched it again and we're experiencing it in a different way, but that moment has been captured and that moment can now repeat itself in our like controlled medium, right? So it's maybe this is us piecing together all these things that you're talking about. I hope if you see it the first time you see it, it's before I said anything about it to you. The last thing I want is to flavor that moment with some my own, you know, that's I think that was a just a tremendous performance. If somebody sees it and you hear me talking about it, shut it off and go watch the real thing. Don't, you know, if somebody puts it on YouTube flavored by something, might as well be flavored by Joe. Oh, please. Maybe salt would be better. Salt and a little cumin. Flavored by Joe. It's really good for you. It's anti-inflammatory. Oh, god. But, you know, do you guys feel those moments on stage and realize that you're you're tapping into something unique when when that happens when you hit that that you know, we were talking about it when we were playing pool like sometimes you just hit this weird stride where
everything's just falling into place and it feels like automatic and you know that there's that moment I'm sure it's it's got to be very similar to the the moment like that in comedy with with your music. There's got to be moments where you guys are just flowing. You know, there was a there's a moment I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable, but there was a moment where you were on stage and you were singing and it was at the December 21st show, the 2012 End of the World Show, and both Joey Diaz and Eddie Bravo came off stage and they both at the same time go, "That's a badass [ __ ] That's a badass [ __ ] That's a badass [ __ ] Eddie Bravo. That's a badass [ __ ] God damn those [ __ ] are talented. God damn it. He's like, "That's a badass [ __ ] God damn, those guys are talented." But it was that moment where, you know, you It was We had never done a show with a musical act before. And a lot of my friends were skeptical. They were like, "What are you guys going to do? Like, how's that work together? How's it work?" I go, "I think the music probably shouldn't be in the middle cuz it would be like it would like interrupt the flow of the comedy, but I think it would enhance the beginning of the comedy." And I think, you know, so we do it this way. And so when we when we did it and you guys got on stage, it was the first time that Eddie had ever seen you guys live. And uh you know, he was like, "Holy [ __ ] they're good." He was like, "The lyrics, the the [ __ ] the music, the the the choices they made, he just was like shaking his head." But I I'll never forget that moment where they both walked off stage cuz they were both shaking their heads because, you know, Joey was going to go on stage next and do some standup. We got so lucky to be involved with this, man. Well, we're lucky, too. We're all lucky. We're lucky as [ __ ] I I wouldn't be, you know, this this would this show would be completely uninteresting if it was just me talking every week. I disagree. I think you have a lot to say and it's very interesting. People are heard they've heard it already by now. I've run out of [ __ ] to say. I repeat myself. I don't even like listening to me anymore. But we're we're all lucky for reals, you know, including people listening. We're
all in on this in some [ __ ] weird way. We're all in on this thing together. It's just that uh folks like uh you and I and Redband and whoever's on the mic out there, you're you're a part of the lightning rod. You're part of the lightning rod that distributes all this [ __ ] But we're all in it together. We don't even know what we're doing. We don't even know why we're doing it. We just start doing it and then somewhere along the line we realize we love it and the next thing you know you're singing songs or you're telling jokes or you're [ __ ] making guitars, whatever it is, you know, you find that thing. Toothpick tepee. Yeah, toothpick teepee. you find that weird weird thing out there in the world, you know, whatever it is. And if you don't, God damn. Keep looking. Keep looking. I feel like I might I'm kind of like I'm browsing myself up. I don't even know if I'm honest. No question. It's all literature. It's all fiction. It's coming from the universe. Um, play another song. Yeah, sure. I got to like reaclimate myself. Yeah, me too. I'm uh So we You want to play this one? Chy feel like we should play an uplifting one. But [ __ ] No, you don't have to play an uplifting. If you want to make the folks cry, maybe we'll have a little yin and yang. A peek and a high and a low. Whatever you want. We're going to put some yang on. Can I make a request? We may not be able to fulfill it, but you can. How dare you? How's that not possible? Um, will you guys play LA River? I do that. That's I mean, yeah. Yeah. To mess it up. I [ __ ] love that song. Sure. You want to do it right now? Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. I'm going to try some little That's one of the cool things about music. You guys can take requests. Have comedians take requests. We haven't played this in a while. I will really try not to mess it up. Unless it's Thunder [ __ ] Like that that kind of request is great. You know, maybe you just play. [Music] Okay. Okay. What the [ __ ] do we do in boom? All right. I got this. I'm open this. Here we go. [Music] went down to the banks of the LA
River. Had to hop a chain link fence. Concrete walls on the LA River. Water lapping up on the cement. Oh, but I love my new home. Listen to the big city sound. Watching that LA river roll down by the trains past Chinatown. [Music] Dip my fingers in the warm black water. Orange skin on my knees. Sail my boat down the LA river. Thought I saw a body in the weaves. Oh, but I love my new home. Listen to the big city sound. Watching that LA river roll down by the trees past Chinatown. [Music] Oh, but I love my new home. Listen to the big city sound. Watching that LA river roll down by the trains past Chinatown. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Oh [ __ ] Well, we got through that one. Yeah, that was beautiful. I love that [ __ ] song. That was badass. Holy [ __ ] Is that a tune? That was really cool. Thanks, man. Man, I like the banjo's making a comeback. I like that big time. You know, the banjo gets thrown under the bus a lot. What happened? How' the banjo get her, you know, the hillbillies, I think. Oh, those [ __ ] You know what? It's okay. Got inundated. I like being the underdog. I'm from Cleveland, you know? It's like you're you you got to just you got to come back up. [ __ ] banjo. Deep respect for Drew Carey. Oh man, I met Drew Cary. I met him at um I met him at Swingers, the diner. Oh, okay. Yeah. He's there like every day almost and a great guy. And I walked up to him. I was And you know, I don't normally do this kind of thing, but I I'm a hometown hero lover, you know. And I was like, Drew, my name is Suzanne. I'm I'm from Parma, Ohio, which is what the show. I think we talked about this on the podcast. Yeah, did we? And he was so [ __ ] nice. And he actually tweeted at us. I I I threw a tweet at him and he was super cool. Really nice guy. He's a sweetheart. He's a genuine nice guy. Yeah, it was nice. Nice when you run into people that are genuinely nice. It's cool, you know, and and when they're not, uh, [ __ ] them. Maybe you caught him on a bad day, too.
You can't really judge. Could be. Could be. We've all been there. Yeah, we've all been there. You guys want to move back to LA? Come on. I I want to. We just We need to make this record and then make some more dope. Make some more cash. Make it rain. You know what I was thinking though when you were talking about the banjo I remember about Nashville. Something that's amazing about Nashville is it has this real wellspring of music which is What' you just do? Yeah. There's a lot of music in Nashville, right? But there's a lot of traditional music and like c you know stuff that's like hey this American you know and not in a bad way like bluegrass music is I mean it didn't didn't come out of Nashville specifically but that region you have traditional music and you you're not really in touch with that many other places like here there's a great music scene but there aren't people who are like keeping a flame alive as far as I that's interesting. So they're keeping like a bluegrass flame alive. They really are like American Roots music is is huge and there's people that are dedicated to just like spreading this [ __ ] making sure people know about it, huh? And that's I mean that's that's why the banjo is still around, you know, because someone Yeah. I mean there's like there's always been a respect that uh rock and roll guys pay to uh things like the bluegrass or the blues or did you ever you I'm sure you guys know the song, one of my all-time favorite Skard songs, the the ballot of Curtis Low. Do you know that song? It's about uh him uh picking up bottles and returning them so he could give money to this guy Curtis Low so he could sing him a song cuz this guy would sit out and they they'd give him money. He'd buy wine with it and he would sing songs for people. And it's just a [ __ ] beautiful song. But it's not just a beautiful song. It's a beautiful song that Skinner did as like uh just in in in honor of these like unknown blues guys out of respect for that are responsible for all this [ __ ] You know, it's like you look Jimmyi Hendris, you didn't even exist without these guys. I was reading about some guy, you know, this was like the recording era in the 40s and 50s. You'd have they just zone in on these blues guys. They'd find them
on the street. This guy blind Willie Mattel. He was and they bring him up to New York and they'd cut songs with them. give him like 25 bucks seriously. And send it back and make millions. Make millions of dollars. And 20 years after he's put out all these records, this guy like Atlantic Records, this guy finds him on the street still and he's just doing his thing. Wow. That's And there's a whole community of these guys, man. Well, there was quite a few that definitely got taken advantage of, for sure, you know, and there's all this weird lore behind it all, too. Like I always was uh fascinated by uh Robert Johnson, you know, and the whole story. Yeah. The crossroads. We sold the soul to the devil. I would have thought the devil would give him better songs. I mean, I mean, the songs are pretty good. They're really good, but they're really good for the time. I would think the devil would have like mad universal magic. Like there's songs that for whatever reason, they just don't quite h hang in there. they don't quite hold up. There's some old songs you listen to them, they're they're fascinating, but they don't quite touch you, you know, and then you get to a certain point where they're like, "Okay, this song will exist forever." And my my register is like songs like Whole Lot of Love, like Zeppelin, Whole Lot of Love. Like, I don't give a [ __ ] what happens. I don't care if they invent time travel. I don't care if you've got like robots on Pluto that put your body in suspended animation and print a a 3D copy of it that breathes carbon dioxide and it wanders around on the surface. I don't care. You're not going to make a better song than Whole Lot of Love. You might make a different song. It might be different, but it's not going to be better. It's not possible to be better. There's something about that. There's just something about the beauty of Palmer's voice and the sounds of the guitar and Jimmy Paige is hitting it perfect and it's the the time. It's the time this marijuana smoke in the air and everyone's on LSD and it's just it's just a different time. They they captured this rare moment where the universe gave birth to flowers. The universe gave birth to like these artistic flowers in the form of human expression. They they were birthed out
of the human consciousness and imagination. Yeah. They're the pioneers, you know, they're the they kind of started this thing. But it's interesting now juxtaposed to like music made today where there's so many manufactured sounds and stuff. It's not like, hey, this is what the drums sound in my like in my friend's basement, you know? [ __ ] awesome. But doesn't it seem like the things that are I I hate the word organic, but it seems like the right word to use to describe people like the Black Keys like that they Yeah, they're they're awesome, but they're also still like they didn't come up with that sound, you know? They didn't come up with the blues. They just executed really well, right? Zeppelin. That's the kind It's like the Robert Johnson thing. And pioneers are like that's a great word. And I also think not a fitting one necessarily, maybe ever cuz somebody always did it before and there was always something that isn't so true. Isn't that so true? Isn't that what's unique about the whole thing is that someone else has always there's no real pioneers. It just everyone is sort of handing a torch off and there's this moment where someone comes up with a whole lot of love and you're like what the [ __ ] did you make up a black diamond that weighs a,000 lbs? you know, you figured out a way to make some like universally weird and unusual and and and and important object. And they probably weren't even trying. They're just kind of filtering this stuff. It's a it's like a set of circumstances and experiences. Okay, these British dudes hear this music. They're from this weird working-class town. And when they really tight pants, Yeah. Yeah. And there's some of them that, you know, sometimes you have to step back away from them to realize how great they really were. Like if you don't listen to Sweet Home Alabama for 6 months and then that's what you have to do. It's like if you don't have sex for like 6 weeks, when you when you do have sex, it'll be so amazing cuz every touch will be like the power of the touch will be inflated beyond belief. Every all of it, the sparks, the energy, the but the only way for that to build up is you got to take some time off. And Sweet Home Alabama's overplayed to death. They beat the [ __ ] out of that song. cuz it's so good. But
sometimes you could forget. You forget how good still a good roll in the hay. Is what you're saying? All you need is a little time off. You need a little time off and you realize that's God trying to speak through some fat long-haired Florida boys. That's God speaking through them. Find the correlation between sex, not having sex for 6 weeks and then listening to because you have to familiarity breeds contest. To me, we're we're just familiarity breeds contempt. You know, sweet Alabama inside and out. You can't appreciate what it really is. What it really is is these guys found a lightning rod to the universal constant. They just hit that [ __ ] button. Sweet home Alabama. And this is 19 whatever 70. Who the [ __ ] knows? The cars were all dog [ __ ] [ __ ] oil oil crisises. and [ __ ] Nixon and Jimmy Carter. Everybody's a mess. And then all of a sudden these fat guys out of Florida, ugly white trash fat guys. Sweet home the not even fat all the time like in the beginning actually kind of kind of a happy song, man. That's like a joyful song. It had moments, right? They were amazing. Whatever the [ __ ] they were for that brief moment of time, you know, before that plane crash, they were amazing. Leonard Skinnard. To this day, if I have like a list of [ __ ] on my iPod and I'm like in an airport or something like that and I'm scrolling through and I see my little Skard folder, I'm like, "Fuck, you got to go to Skard. Got to go to Skard, man. It's like AC/DC." I feel the same way. [ __ ] yeah. Even if the every song sounds like an AC/DC song, like they don't vary at all. Doesn't matter. It's like do like that's like a chemical flavor when you put that stuff on. Well, I want Oreo. They're so unique in that. And it's like, you know, you know, you hear that like they have that such a marching sort of style, you know? Yeah. That's browsing [ __ ] So many guys come like uh into the cage into mixed martial arts fights and even in boxing fights. They listen to AC/DC. [ __ ] yeah. Thunder Struck's a big one. We had a really uh uh kind of defining moment of our of our lifetime, I would say. Not lifetime, but we saw Black Sabbath. We were we were overseas. We were in Amsterdam and it was it actually
happened to have been Thanksgiving as well. Um and a friend of ours got us tickets to see Black Sabbath and you know you got to think like how much longer does Aussie go? You know you you don't want to miss it if you have an opportunity and it was amazing like it was really you really saw his energy was was so genuine. It really was. You could tell he was having a blast. He couldn't sing for [ __ ] I mean, he was so off key that he was almost back in key. Like, it was so far off an in octave that it was almost back in, but it was so entertaining to see him because he really felt like you felt his energy was like across the whole like it was like it was called the Ziggod Dome. It was this huge, you know, place and it was a it was a really crazy experience to see Azie Osborne, you know, up on stage doing his thing. He's got his like signature moves like between each song he'd be like, "I can't [ __ ] hear you and then screaming, you know, and it was crazy." But it was really really great to see like, you know, he's legendary. Brian, you remember when we went to see you were with me when we went to see Steel Panthers, right? Yeah. In Vegas. We went to see Steel Panthers in Vegas and the the dude who's the lead singer does the most insane impression of Azie Osborne. I mean, pitch, movement, like the way he shuffles on stage. He does Crazy Train and it's like, holy [ __ ] it's so good. It makes you want to go see Aussie Osborne. It really is so good. It's a bizarre place that they have, right? Bands like Steel Panther. It's amazing. But it makes you want to see somebody else. Well, they have um they're not just a band. They're like a show. You know, those guys kind of like a review, right? Well, it's it's Yeah, it's almost like a little bit of that. Is this them doing it? It's hard to tell, but this audio is hard to hear. You got When we see it live, though, it's [ __ ] insane. I mean, he sounds like Azie Osborne in his prime. I mean, exactly. It's brilliant, you know. Wow. Yeah. It made you want to go see Azie before it's too late. Yeah. Who knows how they're keeping that guy alive. There was a good 20 to 30 minute drum solo that went on. It was being transported. You were in the 70s, you know, like you went back and this is
what people I don't smoke weed very often, but I did at in Amsterdam and it was it was it was crazy. I mean, you're just like, "Fuck yeah, I'm going to get high at Black Sabbath." I remember one time I was really bad at it. I was coming home on a plane and I was writing and a lot of times when I write, I'll eat like a pot edible before I get on the plane and this one was particularly strong. And for whatever reason, I decided to play Crazy Train over and over and over again. I put it on repeat and I I played that song for [ __ ] five hours while I was writing all the way from all the way from New York back to LA. It was five hours of Crazy Train. Oh my god. Yeah. Good. It's just one of those things. It's like you catch a great great groove just riding. It's interesting. never thought about writing to other music because we're usually I'm writing music, but that'd be you know like like why does it sound exactly like like when I was like I could never um like study when I was in school. I could never really study if there's music in the background because I'd be really distracted by it. Most of the time I feel the same way but I needed comfort. Yeah, that's really cool. It's five hours too high. That's dedication. I needed comfort. Well, it's also when you get when you get super high, patterns start to once they become like very recognizable by the mind, the mind settles into this idea that there's not going to be any interruptions in those patterns. So like crazy train essentially becomes like a 3 minute and 35 second. That's great. This is helping me cuz I'm really bad at being high. I'm so bad. I I'm not It's not I lose my sparkle, you know? I really just can't I can't um I'm not present, you know? I can't really focus on a conversation and I feel very self-aware and I want to take a [ __ ] nap. I hear you. I I totally understand those things. They're very very logical. But I think that um what I like about it is that terrible feeling of everything going completely off the rails and then you get back to reality. You take a deep breath, you go, "We're okay. Everything's okay." because it gives you it gives you such a a a bizarrely introspective perspective and such an intensely sensitive view of the world
that when the ride is over like you get off and you go, "Okay, we're fine now." Okay, this is helpful. Thank you. It's like going on a really shitty vacation. So, work feels better. So, you appreciate your job. Yeah. Okay. Well, it's not even that it's shitty. It's just that in it's uniquely terrifying moments, it it reveals to you the the beauty of just placid reality when everything's just relaxed. Yeah. See, I just get I I used to smoke all the time, but I hit this rut of massive anxiety and just sick. Well, you don't really remember like was it like your 23rd and 24th year? Is that what you said? Yeah, it was about two years. I was about high for two years. It was pretty crazy. It was really tough to work with you then. I love you. But it was that was those were sometimes shaped you as a man. All those journeys you went on those cosmic voyages to despair. Yeah. Twisty turny roads into the night where you car. You're like it's very much an upper. Really? Yeah. That's interesting. like you have to drive for a long time on your what is you know it's interesting how they uh will prescribe certain like kind of uppers to people that are hyperactive and it sort of balances that is really fun let me tell you I've heard that from several people this week it feels like the the two times I've taken aderall recreationally sorry um I felt like I was on mushrooms it was the best thing ever actually we were in Paris we were in Paris on jacks up your dopamine and I I I took an aderall and we went to the Eiffel Tower and I had the best time ever. I felt amazing. Wow. Yeah, it was super fun. That's insane. And we had a really fun show. I mean, did they have you did a show on? No, no, no. It was way earlier in the day. I was ready to The aderall was worn off. Yeah. I don't I don't like to be um How long does it take to wear off? I don't know. 6 hours. Oh my god. Yeah, it was [ __ ] awesome. You're the second person. Hannibal Buress said it the other day, too. It was really fun. But, you know, I say his name wrong all the time. Burus with shows and stuff like that. You definitely like you got to be present, you know? You don't want I have to be in control of all of my faculties. Wow. As much as possible. Yeah. No, I totally
understand. But something that lasts for six hours that seems like [ __ ] Yeah. Boners that lasts for six hours. Yeah. Problem. We've talked about that too. All of it. All of it's a problem. All of it's a problem. God, it's crazy. Did you wear a fanny pack or something to like I actually just took one last night, so I'm on it right now. So, are you wood right now? TMI. I don't know if I want to know. TMI. I feel uncomfortable. I'm amazed how you could feel comfortable over here, just knowing he's breathing. So, you're saying you went out last night or did you just stay home alone? Sometimes he just fires one of them up just to let everybody know what's up. I went I got a massage last night, so I just did it before that. Right. a massage in quotes air quotes. You creeper. It's just better that way. Listen, we we live in trying times. He's a It wasn't even a rubbing tug. You just wanted to [ __ ] with the massage. What an [ __ ] What an [ __ ] Giant [ __ ] snake coming out of the top of his pants. What is that? Is that a turtle head? What is that? What is that? What's that? Oh god. What's that pink thing? We go back to talking about passion and and fun. Well, you know what? We need to talk about everything. That's the problem. You can't just talk only about passion. People get bored of the same goddamn beaches over and over again. You brought up a boner anyway. Listen, I did [ __ ] Story of my life. I would bring it up if I was a chick, too. You're welcome. If I was a chick, I'd been bringing up boners all day. So, explain to me boners. Do you know when they're coming? What are you guys doing later? I'd be like, is it like does it give you like a whisper? Do you hear like whistling in your ears? You know the the the demon boners on its way. The howling between the worlds opens up just a creek and the boner spirits come flying through your [ __ ] nervous system. Boner spirits. You feel them. Boner. Yeah. Like I I there's I had an interesting conversation with this girl once and she was talking about like uh um like the difference between a woman getting excited and a man getting excited is that it's pretty obvious if a man's excited. But like a woman could be a prostitute and she could totally
pretend to be excited and not give a [ __ ] But a man has like this one thing that he has to show. It's And so if he's like acting excited but he doesn't have an erection, they're like, "Hey, what are you? Are you being deceptive? What's going on here? You are full of shit." It's like It's interesting how nature set that up. It's way easier to lie to dudes. It's also way easier to lie to dudes, right? I mean, I disagree though. I'm not I mean, God, we're we're totally getting down. But like, if you're if you're not wet, you're not wet. And that's that's got to be disappointing for a dude. Yeah. But that's I mean come on a little between fingers. We don't know any better. Apparently not I could convince myself otherwise. Men are [ __ ] It's easy for us to Yeah. You know she's not she wasn't wet but it was she was so problem new pill. She's this doesn't you know she's probably going to get off it and go organic. She's probably gluten-free. It does make a difference. I'm sure being on birth control and not on birth control is mind [ __ ] I bet it does. It's insane. You have better orgasms like all the whole thing. It's like you come out from this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it it's it's like a muted sexual side to yourself. I'm sure. I mean, but your boobs get bigger and that's fun. It's letting your body think that it's pregnant. Yeah. It's really That's what it is. It's letting your body thinks that it's pregnant. I um I don't think I would ever go back on anything like that. It's crazy. It's probably not the smartest thing for your body, right? But it helps people in some things like girls who have acne a lot of times will get on. It actually gave me acne. Whoa. Yeah. It was a real bummer. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting still also that they've never figured out a solution like that for men like a pill solution. And I wonder if it has that hard the same sort of compromising aspects like well there's Accutane if you want the hard stuff but that's pretty resist. I mean something that keeps men makes men sterile like a sterilizer pill that that's a horrible thought is like a temporary sterilization. Listen to what you just said. That's a horrible thought. But the
pill because I think about reversible is it not? And apparently it's like a walk-in procedure. I don't know if it's 100% reversible. I think sometimes they can, you know, I mean you have to go to a really good doctor that knows what they're doing. But I think there are definitely can be complications whenever you start cutting and stitching stuff. It is unfortunate that all of the pressure lies on the woman. Let's be honest. It is. And you're right. I did just kind of reveal it like that. Now that I think about it, it is it's horrifying to me to think of [ __ ] with the testicles, but at the same time, it's totally routine to be like, take that pill. You know what it's like to get an IUD? That [ __ ] is [ __ ] up. I went into there. Did you really? Yeah. I I went into shock. like I literally um you know had like it's it's called um baso or vague I don't know how to describe I can't remember the actual word vaso dilation well you you um your body like it doesn't reject it I'm just repeating words I've heard online it's that sounds it's close but it's there's there's a word for it I know transcontinental railroad but it's it's intense the gads didn't purchase it's great it's really funny I'm sorry I'm sorry we're talking about you're going into shock because you got a robot [ __ ] insert your vagina and we're like coming up with litty words. Sorry, what a bunch of dicks. I feel better. It's okay. You can hang with the boys. It certainly is like rude. Uh not just of us but of culture to sort of make that distinction. Like it would be disgusting for a guy to take a pill that makes you sterile, like kills your sperm. You would be like turned off. You think they thought of it and just didn't put it on the market? I think there's a certain valuable asset sort of mindset that goes along with the idea of fertility. And I think that verility and fertility are very important to men. And the idea of killing all your spermies with a pill seems scary. Yeah. You know, if you're really going to totally commit, you would get an operation. If you weren't gonna totally commit the idea of cooking them with some sort of a evil compound, man, just freeze that [ __ ] You'll be fine. Yeah, but I think it can't come out the same way. It's like vegetables.
Yeah, probably. Would you cook with frozen vegetables? It's like drinking V8. Would you rather cook with frozen vegetables? Not necessarily. Yeah, something's wrong there. Something's wrong. We don't know what it is. I I I totally get it. If I was a chick, I'd be really bummed out if somebody wanted me to take a pill that made my body think that it's pregnant and then also kills your libido, which is probably what nature would do, like almost automatically if you're pregnant. Probably like, "Okay, slow down, hooker. Slow down. You don't need any more dick. You got a baby on the way. Take it down a notch." It's um it's an interesting like when you go through your relationships like obviously if you're dating it's not as much of a problem you know because you use condoms and that's fine honestly like but but if you're really serious with somebody and then you get to that point where you're like you know I love you I don't want to use this anymore let's it's let's kick it up a notch you know it is uh then you get to that point where like you you have to figure out well [ __ ] how do I want to manipulate my body to have more pleasurable able sex or or a more intimate connection, if you will, and or or you know, um let's just uh let's have a you know, risk that we're going to take and it may or may not make a baby. That's [ __ ] terrifying. Yeah, the the idea may or may not make a person is a [ __ ] tricky thing, especially when you're young musicians trying to travel the road and Yeah. I don't want to get anybody pregnant on the road. That would [ __ ] suck. What would happen if you had a visit your baby daddy in Tennessee? You got some guy pregnant in Tennessee. Imagine if chicks could get guys pregnant. Boy, dudes would be such pruds. Be hilarious. If girls could get us pregnant, it'd be like [ __ ] guys would be It would be a total row reverse. What the [ __ ] are you crying about? I could jerk off. I just [ __ ] jerk off. I'll be fine over here just jerking off. I don't need anybody getting me pregnant. We We'd just get tons of abortions. We'd be like the like everyone would be getting abortions every day. But what if you were a dude who had this like weird sort of genetic desire to breed? You know, what if you were like you had
all these male aggressive qualities that we associate with being male, but also the need to get pregnant. Like the universe hit a switch on you nurture. Just weirder [ __ ] when it comes to like [ __ ] frogs that can switch sex and weird weird [ __ ] bugs that you know. It's interest. Some people love to get pregnant just to say that they're pregnant. I'm not kidding. It's really [ __ ] weird. You meet a lot of people out there, you know, and it's just like, do you think they're really getting pregnant just to say they're pregnant, or do you think they just like to [ __ ] Maybe they're not getting pregnant, but but they sometimes they enjoy the um what's like an accomplishment portion, right? To a certain degree. Well, it definitely gets you congratulations almost immediately. Well, I definitely feel like it it can be ex Let me rephrase that because God, you know, go for it everybody. If you want to if you want to get down, procreate, like [ __ ] more power to you. But you have to admit you've seen people exploit it. Yes. In a way that it's like like do you really want to have this this life that you're creating or do you just love like your Facebook updates and you know what I mean? Like there's there's an interesting aspect like I think it's it's um someone in in someone I know posted a photo of the pregnancy test right on the Facebook. It was like you peed on that. That's [ __ ] up. You know, as as I think um as a person who's never given birth, your perspective would radically change if you That's true. And I've never been inside of you. But it's also like what people choose to and not to share on Facebook, right? You know, that gets real squirrely like when you like sometimes like you go on someone's Facebook and like especially if it's someone that you know and they write like a bunch of like really personal [ __ ] about a relationship or something. You're like I don't I'm I'm going to walk away from this. Like I want to certainly not going to comment. You go, girl. You know, good things come to those who wait or some [ __ ] Maxwell House coffee commercial. Like like whatever, you know, blah blah blah. Sorry to hear you [ __ ] you're in the dumps. Like what? Like why is why are
people like broadcast? We actually had a friend. Remember the guy who was like he was like like that's it. I'm done. Like I'm on reach out and you reached out to him because you're a good man. Ben had somebody that he knew. We're not going to but like it was say his name. It'd be good for everybody involved. Norman Rockwell. Norman, your painting seems so cheery. Americana. You captured it. Well, I think people are [ __ ] lonely. Yeah. and and that is an outlet that everyone has access to, you know, so nobody's going to listen to them in real life so they can put it out there and maybe someone will listen to him digitally. It's a powerful and yet terrifying thing sometimes because then you you get people that are [ __ ] annoying and then people that are really serious in a dark way or you know it's it's such a weird balance. Yeah, I can never tell how I feel about it because social media is great for a band like us because that's how you stay afloat, right? You know, that's how you stay present, right? Um cuz we're not a signed band. We're not on the radio. Um but at the same time, then there's like then your personal circle, your personal friends, and that's some crazy [ __ ] you know? Sometimes you just get these people that like they they want to reveal these really personal things and I never know what to do. I you know, right? I just block that [ __ ] And I think it's it's can be offputting, but it's also important, too, for people to be able to get [ __ ] out, right? Yeah. I was I I was listening to something they were talking about these mental health talk to people. I think it's good to talk to people, man. Yeah. Talking to people's definitely the best. Yeah, I was. You're right. You're absolutely heard something about mental health workers in Africa, right? And they were they were over there and all these African tribes uh people or more native people were kind of rejecting these mental health workers because they'd come in and uh and the these people the more uh uh uh these African people would say, "Well, they come in here and they don't say anything about dancing. They don't say anything about putting it out for the community. They don't say anything about turning these feelings, you know, uh uh depersonalizing them as
evil spirits. They just tell us to come into a room uh with a stranger, a dark room with a stranger and talk about their problems, you know, talk about therapy, instead of and they'd say, "We don't want this kind of western feel. We want to just get it out and do it together and dance and hang, you know." And I'm not saying Facebook is really doing that, but there's a certain similarity there between like, man, share it. It's all right. Well, it is eventually, I think, cuz there's excessive sharing, though. Well, there's excessive sharing and it's also like it's all about like the the the comfort that people have in discussing like very personal relationship stuff with or or very personal uh you know morbid thoughts or worries about your own finite life or whatever it is that you like sometimes you read someone's Facebook page and you want to know whether or not you should reach out to them. read some like weird moody thing that they wrote and you go, "Whoa, like what the [ __ ] is he saying here?" Yeah. Like what is this some [ __ ] that I'm gonna read and then wish that I called him when I hear that something went wrong? Yeah. You know, yeah, we all worry about that kind of stuff. But I think that what we're doing by like connecting with each other on like things like Twitter and then things like Facebook and then ultimately whatever the new ones are that keep coming because it seems like they're never it's never going to stop. They're going to get like deep this Oculus Rift Facebook connection. Who knows where the hell that's going to lead, but that that could lead to some insane place. Oculus Rift, if you've never put it on before, Duncan has one of these things. You slap the helmet on, maybe he'll let you use it. It's amazing. And right now, it's it's an in What is it? I don't I don't know anything about it. Oh, how dare you. It's Oculus Rift is a new version of virtual reality that they're developing games for and they have a few demos right now and they're making some new games, but most of what you're getting when you look at the tech these days is essentially samples of what's potentially possible. A door into whatever this is that's so intoxicating
that Facebook, how much they pay for it? Uh, I think it was $300. 300 bucks is a Well, it's just a dev. It's just a dev kit right now. So like right now it's really No, no. I mean how much did Facebook pay billion? Jesus. I thought you were being silly. You're like $300. I'm like damn I wish I'd known I give him four [ __ ] But what? Two billion. Hello. That's how crazy this technology is. You put this headset on and you like look around and you see the sky. You see leaves falling from the trees. You see birds flying around. Three-dimensional environment. What? Yeah. And they have this uh one Can you interact with it? You can walk around in it. Um, right now you can't interact with it, but unquestionably say, "I want to wear your helmet." But that might be weird. No, it won't. He'll let you do both. It's You should be specifying which one you like first. Or whether or not together cuz that would be [ __ ] crazy. With the helmet on, you'd be like, "What am I feeling?" But what am I seeing? I see leaves falling when someone's [ __ ] me in the ass. They really got to figure it out though because it's it still makes a lot of people sick. And you know, every time I let people use it, they they're like, "Oh, yeah." Most of them are like, "No, this is I can't. I have to sit down." Well, I tried it. It didn't make me sick. I think it's the universe trying to weed out weak [ __ ] I just Did you do the roller coaster one? No, I'm just kidding. I The one I did was so mild. I'm completely kidding cuz all I did was walk around in a backyard. It didn't make me sick. But I have heard I get sick when I read my laptop in the back of a car. Like if I'm in the back seat and someone else is driving, I try to read my lap. How are you with things like Call of Duty like three like 360 video games? I can't do that [ __ ] It's like watching the Blair Witch Project. I don't I don't play them because I get addicted to games. I have a issue. Seriously, peey. Pinkey. I had a little bit of nothing. Um a little crazy with Call of Duty. Well, it just makes you pukey. It makes me super I thought you said peaky. I was like I feel like I hear myself slurring and I want to stop talking now. So, goodbye. Listen, um I think we're out of time. and we're going to turn into a pumpkin any second now.
But it was it's always awesome hanging out with you guys. I'm honored to be your friends. I love you guys. You're the [ __ ] You're such positive, awesome, fun people to be around at uh where I can speak for Brian. We're honored to be friends with you. I'm tired of speaking for you, Brian. Speak for yourself, [ __ ] I love you guys. Love you, Brian. He said it. He means it, too. He tells me when you're not around. Uh thanks to our podcast sponsors. Thanks to uh God damn it. Why don't I have Luminosity? Yeah, I know what it is. I just don't know what their code is. Lumosity. Make them all the same. Hold on. I'll find out. Luminosity. I won't leave you hanging, you freaks. Cuz I I love your I think you just say that Joe sent you. Like there's when you're signing up, there's a place to actually choose. No, it's You're wrong again, Brian. It's lumosity.com/joe. So go to lumosity.com/joe and click the start training button and start playing your first game. Lumosity it's a bunch of cool games designed to increase your brain's ability to to function faster because of exercise. The idea is it's a gym for your mind. Now what I said there your brain's ability to function faster faster take into account that I am certainly not a scientist by any stretch of the imagination. Nor do I know if those games really truly I read studies that they say that games, video games especially, enhance cognitive function in some strange way. What the [ __ ] do I know though, folks? Huh? Am I there? Why they doing these tests? Huh? What I'm saying is Lumosity is fun and accomplishes a lot of the uh things that they've attributed to uh video games. You can even design games specifically for the [ __ ] that you're interested in. And I'm giving Lumosity a full commercial because I'm not sure if we did it the first time because I got sort of eliminated by accidental Mac explosion. Anyway, [Music] luminosity.com/joe. I will see you guys on Friday with the great Dennis McKenna. Dennis is uh bringing in a good friend of his and uh we're going to have a crazy podcast that is most likely going to blow your [ __ ] mind. So, tune in then as well. And uh I will see you guys
uh April 3rd in Miami at the Fillmore Theater with the great Tony Hinchcliffe and uh the other two dates uh Baltimore on uh April 25th and Orlando on April 18th. Both those dates are almost sold out, so hop on it, freaks. All right, much love. See you soon. Big kiss. Honey Honey Honey Honey Band on Twitter. Holla. [Music]