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think well it's not hurting your body's fine like it's not going to get injured but your body's kind of like it's all pliable and stuff like someone tried to explain to me that everyone has like sort of a a boundary on how flexible they can be and I was listening to this guy talk about this well you know so it was kind of like dismissing some folk you know because I I'm flexible it was like some folks just uh aren't that flexible you know you just happen to be naturally flexible I'm like man I don't know about all that really don't think I'm naturally flexible I just went through a lot of pain like I forc myself to to stretch in really painful positions for you know 30 seconds at a time rest for a minute 30 seconds at a time and when I'm down there for those 30 seconds that's hard to breathe you're you're experiencing pain it's like that that [ __ ] a lot of people just aren't willing to do that you know but that's just another just another example of how the body is kind of pliable it's pretty pliable I mean you couldn't have like a lot of these uh body realignment techniques that work so well like after Release Technique um I'm most familiar with raling have you ever heard of this yeah we talked about it last time we were here yeah I mean that it saved me I I can't tell you the horrific injuries that roling helped me get over uh you know from both wrestling Jiu-Jitsu and so forth so if the if the the body is very malleable very very pliable and can be can be moved if a person knows if the practitioner knows how to do it yeah I went to uh raing at the suggestion one of the guys from my Jiu-Jitsu class who had a bulging disc and uh dealt with it with raling and he went to this guy but the guy was really wacky well they can be a little strange some of these Bodywork types you know this guy was very wacky he also believed that Bruce Lee could kill people with one punch and he was he kept telling me this that you know you know Bruce Lee you know could kill people with just one punch he just I go especially if it was a three-year-old kid or something yeah it's like [ __ ] you know a baby or something you could probably kill him with one punch like it's it's you people have died with one punch but it's not not normal you know when a guy kills a
guy with one punch like this idea that he's got like a gun in his hand and he just just shoot people so this guy was a little wacky and he had some uh very interesting ideas about what he was doing like he would push down your ribs and think it would release your neck and I wasn't exactly sure if there was a lot of logic well there may be something to that Joe you know because of the way the connected tissue spirals through the body how does that work like it well there's um have you ever seen what do they call that the uh the plastic man that that exhibit where they Body Works The Body Works amazing you ever see the fasal part of that yes how the guy ever figured out the chemicals to use to to dissolve away all other tissues and leave the one intact that he wanted is just mind blowing but anyway it's just like it looks like DNA strands all spired up so really truly your ankle bone is connected to your neckbone and if one part of your body is out of alignment right or or or you know stress or immobilized it can cause some problems in other areas of the body well this guy would like push down on your ribs with his elbows like to loosen up things in your back it be unbelievably painful just digging your you know his his elbow into your ribs and moving things around and then he'd have you stand up and you look at you see if you're leaning to the left or leaning to the right where your posture is I don't know about all that but when he got down the business on your back and would you know break it would you want to tap out I mean it's really bad is pretty bad pretty bad but boy when you leave it's like everything is just kind of moving better and you feel taller yeah well you feel I don't never feel tall I'm short so are you pal but I'm pretty sure but I definitely felt looser I felt like more relieved and I I think that there's a lot of folks that go out there and they you know they hit the gym they lift weights they'll do Jiu-Jitsu do all these different things but they never get massaged and uh I think they're doing themselves a huge disservice you know I've I've said that to to many many uh Jiu-Jitsu guys like if you can just at least once a week just go go to one of those thae massages and have one of
those people work on you or if you can go to a real good sports medicine place and have someone do some deep tissue on you makes a world of difference well I mean think about the nature of the sport right you're basically trying to hurt each other as much as possible yeah you're trying to inflict as much pain and or choke the guy to sleep yeah so I mean for sure it takes a toll in the body and and you have to do these things in order to keep yourself in alignment because there's just no way you can do uh heavy Combat Sports like that without suffering so you're going to definitely get knocked out of alignment uh have things mve that shouldn't be moved and you need someone to kind of put them back in place and a lot of times you can't do it on your own yeah I mean the foam rolling and a lot of times Mobility exercises uh work pretty good for that uh uh self treatment but usually after a couple days and that stuff isn't working that's when you know it's time to get to a therapist to actually put stuff back in in place for you do you ever uh work with um lacrosse balls do you ever do any of that I have yeah it's great lie in your back and then put the lacrosse ball under your back and roll like bridge on the lacrosse ball oh sure and also there's ways you can put the ball against the wall and like roll into your shoulders and you're packed and so forth and really release a lot of stuff but you know sometimes that just doesn't work and that's when you know it's time to get to the uh to the therapist yeah one of the things that I'm I'm finding out through this last year because this last year has been the year of this back injury that I had which is way better now I mean now I'm lifting heavy kettle bells and doing all these different things no problem no pain during the day and this I mean I only been doing this for like 10 minutes this new chair but I think this might help me too but the um what what I'm learning is how many people get injured and then don't take care of it they just keep working they keep training they they try to work around it and it winds up getting really bad or ignore it yeah it's crazy isn't it it is very crazy cuz I'm running into a series of these guys once I started opening up about this whether it's from the underground guys that I know on Twitter or guys that I know from
Jiu-Jitsu class who now have atrophy and um according to the doctor that uh administers that regenicin that blood spinning procedure that I had done to reduce inflammation he says once you have atrophy like that's really bad he's like a lot of people think they're going to have atrophy and they're going to put it off and put it off it's like if you have that for more than like you know x amount of months a lot of times those nerves never get fully they never return 100% he said that there's surgery that they have to do to open up the pathways to alleviate the pressure on those nerves and if that doesn't happen if you don't do that like you you run the the chance of having permanent atrophy of your muscles and having permanent loss of function of uh of your limbs well it blows my mind how people just don't pay attention to their body like pain is a signal that something's wrong I mean something's definitely wrong yeah and to ignore it and just keep pushing and driving through and of course you know uh MMA guys Jiu-Jitsu guys wrestlers uh you know grid iron football rugby guys that they're pretty tough guys and a lot of times they they just you are very stoic and love doing what they do and just don't want to stop and will just continue to drive themselves you know long after they should instead of just taking care of it yeah and you got to know when to tap out you also got to know that if you don't there's guys that like let themselves get injured you know they're I'm not tapping you know if you tap you you learn the same mistake than not tapping okay the mistake is you got yourself into a bad position something went wrong you got your arm caught you either didn't respect the person or the person was better than you and they set you up and they got you and they got you and they got you and that's it you got got and there's a certain point where you have to real you got got and you got to tap CU if you don't tap and you get your elbow snapped a it might not ever be the same again and B you're going to be out for a long time a long time well it's one thing if you're in the world championships right yeah and you know you're a black belt and you're you know you're a fighter that's what you do or you're in an MMA event right you know on you know liveon versus exactly okay so
you might risk risk getting your elbow sna yeah but for the average guy in the gym or even just like a local tournament come on man yeah but once you're actually caught the the technique's already there you you already made the mistake yeah so acknowledge the mistake tap out and forget about it just like you know it it'd be like being thrown out in a softball game or whatever right but guys they put too much emphasis on on never getting caught or I can't get caught or whatever but to get out of whatever hold you've been caught in it's just Zoo strength it's it has nothing to do with technique yeah you know I mean a good guy if he gets you your got it's an interesting thing isn't it it's like people don't I mean they don't like getting thrown out in softball nobody likes when you hit a flyball and someone catches it but if it's a softball game and everybody's drinking beers and you're all having Burgers it's no big deal but if you're on the mat you're doing Jiu-Jitsu and someone catches you with something it's there's so much pride and machismo involved in that position and that situation and if you can get out of it you know yeah you didn't get me you know even though your arm's all [ __ ] up like I've not tapped to things before and got out of it and been okay but then my arm is [ __ ] up for months you know like I had a bad elbow for probably three months because one guard pass I'm passing and you know sometimes you pass you leave your arm out a little bit to try to bait the guy to go for a camura so you could try to get over the knees and as I'm passing he locked in the Kamura I'm like oh [ __ ] like this is tight godamn it and I'm trying to figure out do I tap here or do I keep going pop pop you know powered out of it but then I couldn't do chinups then you suffer for like months for months for months it's like you know it's like one of those deals where you you feel the pain maybe like just a little bit but the problem with something like jiujitsu or even wrestling sometimes it goes from zero to 100 and like just a brief blink like heel Hooks and then by that point it's it's it's already too late so you know the risk the you know the risk the benefit ratio you know the the the idea I got out of it versus not being able to train for weeks or even months just
never makes it worth it and that's one of the big differences as you get older you know goty my age in the 60s no way man tap early tap often you get really smart and that's that's that's the key to doing jiujitsu for a lifetime you just learned hey man you got me great job I don't care if it's a white belt whatever right you got it okay I made a mistake yeah oh strong if you teach them the technique correctly and they get in the right position and you know your arm is deep in their crotch and they got your thumb up and they're pulling on it that's they got it they got it you know I mean they might not be able to hang on to it because they're not familiar with the position you know like if you watch like Ronda Rousey she's the best example I think of uh someone who knows how to hold an armar not just keep an arm bar not just catch an arm bar but hold it through all of the transitions like people can flip over they can kick their legs over they can try to roll and she just keeps it she keeps adjusting and she keeps rolling with it she's the best at that and that's kind of the difference between like a real legit black belt like Ronda and someone who's never done it before maybe just learning the technique and maybe you could kind of get out because if you just turn your arm a little bit and now you know your elbow's uh up instead of down and there's no pressure on it you can kind of if you're good you can kind of get out of the position that sort of is the difference between you know maybe be someone like maybe the difference between a purple belt and a black belt the difference between a white belt and a purple belt you know there's like the ability to hang on longer the ability to adjust because one of the beautiful things about Jiu-Jitsu is Jiu-Jitsu is like the exact opposite of something that is easy and predictable and uh like a like a nautilus machine you know like a nautilus machine is like you push that thing forward it's going to go on the same track every time but when you're grappling with a person even if you know how to execute the technique with you know the perfect leverage and all that people are moving and resisting and it's a little bit different every time and their foot's in a little different position every time and their arms are a
little bit different and it's it's it's so interesting in that sense where you're constantly adjusting it's like a fingerprint or a snowflake every time you do it it's just a little bit different yeah tell you funny story U as some of your listeners know I had the first Jiu-Jitsu Academy in the Eastern Seaboard in the East Coast and uh maxiz maxiz and U at one point um we had a guy by the name of Jeff Tomlinson Who U was a Philadelphia Eagle football player this guy was probably about 6'5 275 at the time if I remember correctly unbelievably strong and lean and slim he was the darling of uh the Super Bowl the year that the the Eagles went to the Super Bowl in Jacksonville he was called up he he had actually been released from the team but they had a couple injuries and they called him in and went went in there and caught a couple touchdown passes wow so uh he he's he comes to my jiujitsu class and it's like whoa wait man Jiu-Jitsu was designed to protect us from guys like you man you know what do you do with a guy I mean just ungodly strong yeah he came to my kabo class it's the first time I ever had to break out like a 48 kilogram kettle bell just to teach this guy swings kilogram what is that about 100 pounds that's 100 he I mean he was just like doing front uprises with you know front front raises with his shoulders he was just so ridiculously strong so he gets uh going with one of my brand buts at the time fellow by the name of Ron haxen who lives in Hawaii teaches in Hawaii now but at that time Ronnie was a a brown bout and Ron gets him of course you know in an armlock right from the mount and the guy literally does a Turkish get up with Ronnie literally lifts him up how much does Ronnie weigh probably about 148 pounds at the time 150 and then you know this guy's like 275 he literally does a turkeyy gut up and is putting Ron's head through the ceiling and I remember screaming cu I you know this guy was like really an important part of our team don't hurt don't break Ronnie don't break Ronnie put him down put him down it it it was insane man yeah there just insane just how strong some people can be especially people that are like real super athletes like football players guys that have been slamming into other 300lb men for years and hitting sleds and doing power
cleans and just just all body so designed to just pick up and move heavy things and the average person like I remember um I was at uh in Phoenix one night and I don't know who this guy was he was some pro athlete I have no idea who he was but he was um at this gym that I was working out at and um it was like we were all like little children like little children wandering around the gym and this giant showed up he wasn't even like a giant amongst men I mean he was so big I mean I don't know he was some pro football player but he was he it was so big I felt like a tiny child like not like well that's a big man and I'm a small man like I wasn't even the same species of this guy he was probably like 67 68 somewhere around then 370 pounds is just enormous man and you you see a person like that and you go all the selfdefense stuff is is all forget about it's all out the window strength and size does matter of course it matters but it's that big the first time I realized this there was a guy that U uh I worked at with the first Nautilus gym and uh um the Philadelphia area it's actually the first one in Pennsylvania and there was a guy I think his name was Ron Chandler or Rick Chandler he played center for the New York Jets it's the first time I was exposed to NFL football player and I had just no idea how unbelievably fast and strong and powerful these guys are and of course I was wrestling for the college wrestling team and thought I was pretty badass and I probably weighed I was a lot heavier back then maybe about 177 and we get to messing around and this guy guy literally just grabbed me by the ankle and picked me upside down I'm not kidding just holding me at arms length like I was a child and it was just wow I just never felt such power and such strength in all my life and I mean that you know let's let's face it that's pretty much the elite of the elite right as far as power athletes go yeah they all go to the NFL man where they can make some money the only other thing I would think of would be like those guys that do those strongman competitions those guys are pretty ridiculous but pretty crazy strong have you noticed that there's that one guy it's not Magnus what is the guy's name that's
been uh fighting in MMA God what is his name oh the German guy yeah no he's polish Manford oh yeah oh uh yeah I know exactly what you're talking about God damn it panowski panowski yeah huge guy but not doing so well in MMA you know he got he got manhandled by Tim Sylvia which which was a fascinating fight cuz Tim syvia obviously very skilled guy I don't know why panowski took that fight a lot of people Tim Sylvia has an sort of an awkward uh build he's uh he's kind of pigeon toed he's enormous guy you know Tim is I think he's like six7 or something like that Tim's a very big guy but he's also got a lot of extra body fat on him and uh you could pull the video up there's a video of them fighting and you know panowski just it was just so outclassed it was like who let you fight a former MMA champion a former UFC champion well you know a lot of the times these guys they they they have uh a lot of confidence and he you know he is a a real master of his particular sport but that's where they make their mistake thinking that somehow that that Mastery in one thing is going to make them better in something else and okay if I were to fight that guy it would be a nightmare for me right but when you get against somebody your own size and your you know your your your own everything changes for these guys you know look at him and that's by the way he's lost a lot of weight he used to be way bigger when he was just doing strongman stuff because when he was just doing strongman stuff he was just all muscle but Tim's a big [ __ ] guy too and Tim is really long and Tim just beat his ass man plus he has the requisite skills you know I mean the skill set is everything in a martial art or a combat uh sport like that yeah skill will so often overcome just Rob of strength and and raw power no 100% keep playing it it's it's it's interesting to watch because panowski is like so physically strong but all that gets countered by the technique of Sylvia I mean if these guys were in a weightlifting contest you know he probably might be able to lift twice as much as Sylvia but he ragd dogs Tim to the ground what does Tim do he just gets back up now now panowski is going to start getting tired down taking a big guy down like
that over and over over and over again like that and so disheartening if you blow your entire wad taking a guy down and then he just Springs right back up to his feet and a lot of these guys they just have no clue on just the endurance aspect of this game no there's nothing like it there's nothing like the adrenaline dump I mean imagine it's is like one of his first fights he's in front of thousands and thousands of people I mean you get that adrenaline dump and it just is so exhausted yeah he turned a purple like a grape as the fight went on you start to see it now what is that from all the blood is rushing to your skin is that what it is well a lot yeah and a lot of times these guys aren't breathing properly they're they're breath holding and there there's a we talked about this last time the vasava sink where that there's a partial glal closure and they're making these Grunts and their blood pressures building up and it you know that in itself not knowing how to breathe very exhausting yeah that was the thing one of the things that separated Hixon from a lot of the other Jiu-Jitsu guys was his work with yoga and you know that video choke the um the DVD choke the documentary it's fascinating fascinating in a lot of ways but really fascinating watching him do that diaphragm thing breath you know his son cron was on here and he was explaining the the diaphragm thing and talking about how much emphasis he puts on breathing and in his training that stomach churning is uh you know supposedly really good for digestion it's like an internal massage for your organs and so forth yeah it seems like it would be uh the breath he was using is called Breath of Fire or breath but it's interesting you know there's different uh in arotic medicine which was the the uh the original medical system in the world it's like a 5,000 year old uh uh system of medicine there's different uh constitutional types and there's different types of breathing for each constitutional typ so for your listeners out there not everyone should be doing that particular type of breath set it can build up too much heat in in in in certain constitutional types really yeah there's 13 different pronomic breath types and they're all therapeutic the breath is
like medicine if it's applied properly for regaining balance in your body and your system there's the Vata the ptia and the kafa and hexon is a kafa and that type of breathing system is fantastic for him but wouldn't be so good for me there's other types of how do you how would you know who you well you got to study this stuff but what what would make you different from him uh your constitutional type is set at Birth just like you know you've heard of ectomorph endomorph mes sort of a similar classification and there's different uh ways that you I mean if you if if you want to actually find out online you can Google this and find out what type of constitutional type you are and then certain uh dietary uh uh for example for me uh being a pit very uh heat I produce too much heat excess heat uh eating spicy food for example is a horrible thing for a guy like me really yeah what is this based on uh artics uh it was empirical evidence that uh I mean the Ancients weren't stupid they didn't have our technology but they did have the power of observation and these people you know just imagine how they figured out herbal medicine right which is around a long time before the pharmaceutical companies so what would I Google if I was trying to look this up just arotic medicine a u r y v d i c and then look at the Dosha types or d o ha DOA and you there's online test that you can take one of the first books I ever read was called body mind and Sport by a guy by the name of John diard who was a an American chiropractor and arotic physician and does consultation and he had a a little test in the book this is back oh I don't know probably like 25 years ago I took this test and discovered that I indeed was a p and uh and how did you discover it like what are the well there there's this whole line of questions and you're able to find out your type but I've also been to uh Dr lad's uh clinic in New Mexico in Albuquerque and he's an artic physician uh vasant lad he's a well-respected arotic physician and he also has a medical degree and he has a clinic also in in U Mumbai India and uh there uh I also was uh typed by professionals and I did what they call a Poncha Karma which is a cleanse
I pretty much didn't eat anything but this real thin type of soup it's just like a broth for a week and then had all sorts of treatments it's a it's a real good cleansing uh help the body detoxify you know this this uh this environment that we live in especially in the United States you know we're just beset with all sorts of pollutants air water toxins in the food your body is capable of ridding itself of all that stuff once it's not burdened by digestion huh this is these questions are very strange yeah well what best describes how you act under stress see your emotions are also geared towards in other words your constitutional type will affect your emotional Outlook and even your mental Outlook so it's you know Body Mind and Spirit they're not looking just at physical symptoms like Western medicine they're looking at the whole package you know what makes Steve Maxwell Steve Maxwell what what what makes Joe Rogan Joe Rogan so it's it's looking at the total package the way you think you know your belief systems your emotional system your your physical uh and no one's just one type just one constitutional type of course we're mixtures of all these things and sometimes you can have an imbalance and and actually manifest uh different aspects of of of other constitutional types this is fascinating it is very fascinating and it is the oldest medical system it's been around for a long time time yeah I'm failling out this form I'm trying to find out what I am I I'm just guessing just from looking at you that you're probably a cofa but perhaps not it'd be interesting a coffa yeah I like to be active it's hard to sit still boom enjoy activity that has a purpose especially competitive well that's true too I like leisurly activities I like all three of those how do you describe that I say I'll go with B competitive which best describes your walking sty style got a walking style yeah there's a walking style what what's the choices I walk quickly I have a determined walk I walk slow and steady at a leisurely Pace slow and steady at a leisurely Pace I was watching your gate when you're walking out to the car okay you walk
like a very strong confident kind of guy that that would be a Cofe okay which best describes your mood my mood changes quickly my moods change slowly my moods are mostly steady probably steady seem like a pretty steady yeah pretty steady guy which best describes your memory I learn quick and forget quickly that's me I have a good memory but I have a good memory too I learn slowly but I have a good long-term memory well you have a hell of a mind for facts and figures but only if I care that's the problem yeah well I mean that isn't it that way it is with everything because I mean some of the statistics you come up with on the fighters during the show you know their coaches where they trained the records Joe your memory is like freaking elephant man but that's only if I care if you ask me about something that I don't care about like people always ask me like uh when you're when you're talking about fights like are you basing this off notes no almost almost all the stuff that I talk about like during the fights is just stuff that I remember if I remember fights it's just mindblowing but I do have a sheet that's in front of me that gives me like a Fighter's record but it's very rare that I reference it almost all of it it's just but that's just because I'm a fan of the sport what just but if you ask me things about I don't know the Oliver North trial or something like that you know but I mean you know your mind only has but so much capacity yeah so I mean organization what best describes your organization style I'm good at getting things started but not at getting things done I'm very organized and I can focus on a project from start to finish I need help getting things started but I am good at seeing things through to the Finish that's I'm neither one all I'm none of those things well sometimes you know the sometimes you you can be all those things in different situations yeah all right we'll just go with a all right congratul ations you finish the quiz wait a moment while we get your results okay be curious I mean there's so many different uh tests for this hour of anything what the [ __ ] am I come on what's with the come on trying to come with the answer okay this is indicative of a Veta type this is indicative of a p type this is indicative of a CFA type
this is indicative of a cfet type this is indicative OFA uh I got all of them man you're a peder I'm I'm all of them they very everyone is part of each one but you're going to be predominantly one or the other doesn't say though but there's much more in depth test so this sucks it might went through all this might have been a bogus test well yeah it's probably some westernized test right yeah I mean some American version of the ancient tests obviously it's in English the translations are probably a bit funky I was I was actually typed by a professional in the in the profession and I found it to be quite true for me personally that's interesting so you went to an actual specialist to do this yeah I did and when you find out your body type or you find out um there's a dietary regimen that goes along with this and there's even exercise uh uh that's more beneficial or less beneficial for different uh types and is the idea uh of balancing yourself yeah you want to keep as balanced as possible and you have to be very careful with imbalances this is what manifests all sorts of illness diseases and so forth so food choices and exercise choices like for example I mentioned spice for me is just a terrible thing because I don't need to produce any more heat in my in my body excess heat would cause my joints to Tate and cause osteoarthritis and all sorts of stuff like that really and that can be caused by spicy food Yeah by excess heat in the system that's CCT but I I didn't know that spicy food actually does generate heat I thought creates inflammation oh hm but see for certain DOA types like the Vada or the ca it could be quite stimulating they need that well what what type would be the type that eats a lot of hot food well vadas for example are kind of skinny and and and they have an asymmetry to their body so that can be really good for them to help energize them uh for a CFA they tend to put on weight unwanted uh body fat and weight and sometimes the the more spicy type foods would be good for helping rev up their metabolism like the chili and that type of stuff that's been shown to even put that in some of the fat loss formulas maybe you guys actually sell one of those fat loss formulas with your no they you don't have any fat burners on your thing I
don't believe in any of that [ __ ] really I really have a problem coffee is your best I mean coffee yeah I mean just your caffeine well I just think that that that way out that everyone's looking for fat burners it's this this one pill fix thing to a very complex issue the the the excess body fat issues a very complex issue it's very complex I mean it's you know emotional very emotional with a lot of people sure there's so much going on so much going on yeah and the idea that you're going to fix that with a pill with a pill but see that's one of the problems I have with a lot of supplements you know I know you sell supplements I'm not and there was I want you to speak as fre there was a time when I I had like almost $300 a month habit seriously couple couple things that uh I've come to the conclusion once I stopped I didn't notice a damn bit of difference right but there is a difference between just trying to go for General Health and trying to maximize your potential as a competitive athlete when you're trying to maximize your competitive potential okay maybe this might give you like a one or two% Edge or something or 3% but if you're Elite that's maybe all In You Need To Be A Champion or or win the worlds or something like that yeah that's one extra punch landed one extra takedown defended yeah but for General Health you know I mean there's not a an animal on God's Earth that need supplements if you think about it nature provided everything that every animal in the planet needs you know think of like how strong a bull Gilla is or or a water buffalo or a lion I mean everything they need is provided by Nature right and us as the highest form of animal on the planet I mean what makes us think that God didn't provide the stuff or nature didn't provide for us certainly people have to be willing to eat it and they not they want to you know TV dinners and and you know nuke their food in the microwave and and and and and and so forth and you know we were talking about how you know the damaging sugar is last time and how delicious it is and you know and and these these these uh fast food manufacturers they're pretty Insidious I mean they know how to draw up a taste that is literally irresistible some people even say
addictive well it's certainly addictive there's sugars in in certain foods and certain fast foods that Sugar's been shown to be one of the most addictive foods you can ever eat oh my God it's like fre addtive but the problem is when people are taking a lot of supplements somehow they have a tendency to think that it's okay to eat that stuff oh and there's a lot see they feel that somehow they're getting it in their pills and their potion they covering their bases and their powders and all that and there's a lot less U desire to go out and eat a proper you know the they don't have the incentive to go out and eat a really good diet I mean I I I do online personal training and and diet fat loss programs I I'm shocked when I see the food logs of some of the guys that send it in I mean there's no raw fruits or raw vegetables on their menus it's like wow how how could you not at least have some yeah there and it's all you know cooked prepared foods canned bottled stuff and plastic wrappers it's like wow but you know that's what's happened to us in modern society so yes probably there's no real harm and taking supplements for regular people well there's certain supplements that you're just not going to get the the right amount with foods like fish oil like omega-3 fatty acids and things along those lines like you would have to eat a shitload of fish every day to get the proper amount to reduce inflammation to increase cognitive abilities to help muscle growth there's a lot of benefits of fish oil that's been shown and it's incredibly difficult to get that amount of fish oil just from eating fish unless you're eating salmon fatty salmon all day or or getting fish that isn't polluted with Mercury and all that crap I had a problem once I went to a doctor I get blood work done just to see where I'm at and check to see if I'm healthy you know look at make sure there's no issues in advance and uh doctor told me that I had arsenic in my in my body and I was like what like like I'm being poisoned like what are you talking about he's like it's very low level um do you do you eat a lot of fish and I said I eat sardines I I was eating like a can of sardines a day sometimes two cans a day I love sardines
and he was like well stop doing that because sardines live at the bottom of the ocean and they collect a lot of heavy metals and a lot of pollution and uh I stopped and it was gone but I was getting arsenic poisoning from sardines which is crazy it's a shame because sardines are delicious they're great source of sulfur amino acids which you know has been tied into uh anti-aging so it's a shame but yeah our food sources are being ruined on the on the planet slowly but surely slowly but surely so there's no escape from it but that's one reason why I like to do the fasting or remember I mentioned the Ponch of karma this detox thing your body is able to throw a lot of these toxins off under the right conditions how much water you drink in a day you know I don't even measure it Joe I just drink when thirsty pretty much you know so you don't like have like a big jug that you carry a lot I think a lot of that was overplayed cuz yeah uh I I I just don't think it's all that necessary to drink all that much yeah when when people say it's it's a weird thing like they say you should have X amount of glasses of water a day or a gallon of water a day like what what is it what is that based on I have no idea but I do know that one of your best sources for hydration is with raw fruits and raw vegetables and when you're getting a lot of this type of plant stuff you're getting plenty of hydration right from fruits and vegetables now people that don't have any of that stuff yeah they probably do need to drink a little bit more but yeah I mean for the most part there's a lot of mes are purple pade out there for no Rhyme or Reason you know and you just wonder where does all this stuff come from yeah the water one was a big one like guys would walk around with these giant jugs of water and they would say that the average person walks around dehydrated all the time but I would watch them and they'd be peeing every 20 minutes and I was like what you know well you're flushing your body out of toxins like are you sure are you sure it sounds to me like you're just overloading your kidneys with a lot of water for no good reason but is that thing you know where everybody's always worried about the tox you're flushing toxins out I'm going to go to the sauna it's going to flush out the toxins and
I'm going to drink water it's going to flush out the toxins I'm doing a cleanse that's going to take care of my toxins like there's all these well there's no sense worried about it for sure because you you know the worry won't change it a damn bit I am in favor of overheating baths I think it can be a really good thing for longevity I mean it's been since the time of you know American Indians had their sweat lodge the Russians and the fins had their their their anas the Romans were very big on on U steam the Turks and so forth the Japanese you know everyone's used heating therapies for producing a good sweat and if you think about it the skin is the largest organ in the body and you can eliminate a lot of waste out through the skin through perspiration and when you uh uh get stimulate the skin to to sweat you can sweat out a lot of stuff uh have you ever heard of infrared sauna yes well you know infrared sauna is so good at helping the body detoxify that uh drug and alcohol clinics actually install infrared saunas to help people kick drugs and alcohol and cigarettes and so forth that's incredible yeah I mean it's it's tried and and true I mean it does work and uh infrared SAA is way different than the old saunas we used to sit in as wrestlers you know trying to the just the hot box the these infrared saunas the temperature doesn't have to be nearly as high man my God they feel so good the Heat's very penetrating and uh it's really good for recovery after hard training and so forth you have to try one sometimes you might even want to look into uh putting like a little mini one in your house or something I I am actually my wife has one that she climbs into like a sleeping bag it's in some weird sort of infrared sauna and she heats up she loves this thing that's cool man Dr Ronda Patrick one of the uh people that uh I've had on the podcast as a regular um she's fascinating and she's got so much knowledge um and one of the things that she wrote a paper that was recently published it's on the benefits of sauna and uh really incredible on uh hypothermic conditioning on muscle growth and uh oh that's fascinating yeah and she was saying you know it's it's it's I would I would really not do it justice like it's something that should be read and gone
over because it's a very deep and in-depth paper that she uh published but it's all about uh the benefits of uh of the song and the uh the effect on hormone production and the uh the effect of heat stress on the brain really really interesting stuff heat stress has been shown to increase the expression of brain derived neurotropic Factor whoa more more than exercise alone when used in conjunction with exercise this is important because this brain derived neurotropic Factor increases the growth of new brain cells as well as the survival of existing neurons an increase in neurogenesis is thought to be responsible for enhancing learning incredible so exercise and sauna enhances learning well like I said the Ancients were not stupid people you know we we we're so smug with our technology yeah we are right but you know you take the average person and take him 50 miles out in the wilderness and let him go he would probably die of fright he wouldn't even be you know yeah and you take a child even as little as 200 years ago and they would be perfectly comfortable living in their environment you know that's what technology has done for us we can't even go from point A to point B without our iPhone or our GPS or right I wonder what's going on with that um you know when you look at people that used to live a long time ago and you used to be able to survive out in the woods and survive without technology and then you look at you ever watched that show naked and afraid I have not it's a fascinating show because they take people and they take their clothes off and then they leave them in the jungle oh I did hear about this it's the most [ __ ] rid ridiculous show ever well wait how the hell do they show that kind of nudity on TV they they just blur out their okay they blur out their brass and blur out their crotch and uh you know it's a couple a man and a woman and um I don't don't know if they have any sex I I would imagine did they know each other before the show nope oh yeah and all they're naked together now we're going to have to tune in yeah it's not it's a fascinating show well fascinating depending upon who the contestants are you know they have uh I believe it's 21 days which is the most amount of time
you can go without any food so I think they put them in a place that has an abundant amount of water so they could find water they don't put them in the desert for 21 days they'd be [ __ ] dead in two you know they probably dead in one you know you put someone in Death Valley with no clothes for a day no water no clothes you got 24 hours if you're lucky you might not even make it 24 hours right when it gets to 128 degrees out there yeah I mean you could just a heat stroke even with water so you know yeah so these people are out there and you know they have to build shelter because they're in the rainforest so there's all these [ __ ] bugs and you know they see bullet ants bullet ants are some of the most painful stings known to man they say it's like getting your hand slammed in a car door for 24 hours that's what it feels like if one bites you well I would definitely be naked and afraid of us around the freaking bullet ass man well they have these rights of passages they do with certain indigenous tribes in the Amazon where they take what looks like oven mitts and they embed bullet ants in these oven mitts all throughout the like they they like stick their Stingers through so they're trapped and so they just keep stinging and then they make these guys wear these gloves and get the [ __ ] stung out of them by these bullet ants and uh there was one show I forget what the show was but the host actually took part in the ritual himself and put these uh gloves on on his hands he got his hands all strong and sounds crazy man and you just watch him just drop to his knees and just the most intense agony unim inable Agony and it just lasts forever lasts like hours and hours and hours of intense intense Agony but in getting through it it um not only is it um like a right of passage but it also is what they call there's in certain tribal um tribal cultures where they do not have access to psychedelics so this is like a psychedelic kind of thing because you the neurotoxins and the Venom yeah kind of puts you in some kind of altered state there's a little bit of that and there's also the your body develops so much resistance to all the Venom that there's probably some sort of a a serotonin boost and there's also there's things called um they're they're called Uh there's certain
certain rituals where it's not a it's not called a psychedelic it's called like an ordeal poison an ordeal poison is like what tribes where they don't have access to psychedelics often times they come up with these rituals based on poisoning so they'll give someone a poison that gets you to the brink of death like gets you like where to you you're sweating you're dying and then it releases you when your body processes it like the iasa almost but not because iasa is not poison iasa doesn't harm you and in fact I does produce that vomiting that severe vomiting yeah but that's just because it's disgusting it's just a gross it's and you're taking all this plant matter and it's just horrible foul taste and purging anything that might be in your stomach but the the active ingredients in um in iasa not only is it not toxic but it's also one of the most transient drugs ever exhibited uh or ever observed in the body because of the fact that it's a normal Norm human neurotransmitter your body knows how to process it so your body just can bring you back to Baseline very quickly you know I bought some of that stuff one time iasa yeah I was going to do it then I got scared well I read where you really should have a shaman that really knows this stuff and I thought you know what what if I had a bad trip in this stuff man where were you but I was living in my camper van at the time out in Arizona out in the middle of the desert how long ago is this and uh like what about three and a half four years ago and I had read about I Wasco from Stuart wild who said that this is where the spiritual teachers got to go at some point you know once you've reached a certain level and he was talking about I and I thought that sounds really fascinating and it was ridiculously easy to buy over the internet and have mail ordered right to my PO box so was it a fully brewed mail no no no no it was just the plant matter like the dried herbal stuff in a sealed plastic bag and then I looked at it and then I read about the processing and I thought you know what I probably should just wait on this and just do it wait till someone that really knows what he's doing but they they have those iow trips that you can take down to Brazil and even Mexico we're thinking about
starting a a treatment center in in Peru because uh my partner yeah my partner uh from on it Aubrey's been down there so many times he's work with these guys so many times we're thinking about setting up a program because it's legal there yeah for sure setting up a program through on it where people can travel down there and they know that they'll have good accommodations a legit Shaman safe environment and you know we've had so many requests from so many people that we would love to send you down there I might have to take you up with that Jo give you a full report I would love to go with you man do do it I'm I'm down I'm down with it totally be fascinating I've been thinking about this for years you know yeah it's just really something that just sounds fascinating to me because apparently people have some really amazing psychedelic experiments and just kind of expands the Consciousness and and and uh they have some pretty uh pretty intense experiences but you would definitely want to be with someone that that has taken people through it before yeah definitely not something to mess around with on your own man well it's also uh the environment that you do it in is really important too you don't want to be in an unsafe environment you don't want to be tripping your balls off and then something goes wrong there's no one there that can handle everything like you don't want to be like caught in a forest fire but why you're tripping on DMT um I've only had the um the synthesized version of it the the the the hard version of DM I haven't had the orally active version of it which is what iasa is and again you're talking about the Ancients knowing their [ __ ] the the they weren't FS they figured out how to combine two different plants to create this this mixture see DMT is not orally active if you took DMT in an oral form mono Amin oxidase which is produced in your gut would would kill the DMT um so they figured out how to take the leaves of certain plants which have DMT and or the vines of certain plants which have DMT and then the leaves of other plants which have harmine which is a natural MAO inhibitor and then they brew it together in this really sort of complicated process and develop this iasa which is essentially it becomes an orally active version of the drug that I
took I just smoked it when you smoke it it's intense it's very fast it hits you within 15 20 seconds and it only lasts about 15 minutes it's it's like a just a quick shot to the center of the universe the most amazing unbelievable psychedelic experience you could ever imagine I describe it as mushrooms times a million plus aliens wow it's unbelievably intense iasa usually is a little less intense but it's a prolonged experience several hours yeah I I read an outside magazine actually about an iasa trip that was organized a lot and out of 10 people two people didn't get anything they just got sick and that was it and then eight of the 10 one had a bad trip like freaked and then the other seven had f fantastic Consciousness raising experience yeah I wonder what makes people trip because the the shaman say that the people that have these bad trips and what's going on is that they're trying to fight it they're trying to uh control the situation and your ego doesn't want to let go and you try to resist and then it just sort of chips away at your inner soul and finds out you know what's causing this resistance and then penetrates it and freaks you the [ __ ] out and you you can't you can't wrestle with God and that's essentially what you're doing when you're you're having these psychedelic experiences you're trying to wrestle with the creative force of the very universe itself and this ego thing that people have where oh don't worry I can handle it there's so many people that have that I can handle it thing you know where ridiculous overqualified confidence for no [ __ ] reason for no reason for no reason there's no reason why you think you should be able to handle it but you run into it everywhere they going in there a little afraid you probably have a great experience and humble afraid humble and say please be nice to me I give up you know I'll I I submit myself to you and then you're going to get through it it's not a toxic thing it's not a poisonous thing the people you know Terence McKenna had a um a line the only fear is that you may die from astonishment it's because so [ __ ] crazy we're all going to die not a bad way to go man yeah well that that's what's really crazy is they believe that the experience that you have while you're
taking DMT is the exact experience that people have when they're dying because when you're dying your brain produces dimethylamine you it's produced produced during REM sleep well it's in so many different plants the reason why your gut produces this monoamine oxidase or uh one of the one of the reasons it probably serves many purposes but is that dimethyltryptamine is in a lot of different plants so these plants that we eat would give us DMT like you would get high off of certain plants like it's in thousands of different plants it's a lot you could extract it from just regular grass like FIS grass has DMT in it like a lot of it and that's why certain sheep will eat uh grasses that have DMT in it and they die like immediately like you'll find them like in the fields they'll they'll run across a patch of grass that has DMT and there [ __ ] legs up little little feet twitching so like what might be toxic to a sheep not so much to a not at all not at all yeah DMT is not toxic at all to humans but to to sheep it just wow that's pretty fascinating kills them don't be a sheep but you know going going back to excuse me what we had mentioned earlier about the Ancients not being stupid you know that's basically what arotic medicine was based on in in in India I mean these people had amazing powers of observation and this is you know pre- science right we put so much faith in science but you know sometimes you have to think about these these so-called studies you know with with the agendas and so forth and well there's definitely a lot of that right and you know of course you know some monetary incentive how many times have we seen drugs being totally promoted only to find out later when they're recalled like all these Horrors you know like thod babies back the in the 70s or whatever I mean but it happens a lot man yeah less so now than it used to but less so now than it used to but it still happens well there's more transparency now than ever before so it makes it much more difficult but do you remember uh guy Meer UFC you know he got a stroke from Vio whoa yeah Vio he's uh he was having arthritis ISS issues with his knees you know years of martial arts training a lot of guys have problems with their knees very common Chris Weidman recently had bolt his knees scoped and before that he had gone
through regenicin on his knees too but he's had arthritis in his knees so bad Weidman can't even pull his heel up to his butt you know and he's a UFC middleweight champion and his knees are so stiff from all the years of wrestling and all the years of what we're talking about before plowing through injury which is injury that wrestlers are so accustomed to doing no one's in my opinion no one's tougher mentally than than amateur wrestlers I think the the ability to become a successful amateur wrestler there is no hidden secrets there's the the the techniques have existed from literally the beginning of human time people have learned how to wrestle I mean obviously they've refined those techniques they've passed them down but there's no secrets it's hard work force determination Focus that's that's all it is and so who who works harder who can endure more who can punish their body more who can show up and put in the extra hour of training every day that the other guy can't do that guy's probably going to wind up winning and so these wrestlers have this ability to plow through injuries through injury and you see you see it a lot man I mean they hurt themselves though yeah well it's very very hard in the body I think of the guys that I wrestle with back in the 60s and the 70s a lot of these guys are just their bodies are a mess yeah you know I went to a reunion not too long ago of my old college guys and it was pitiful what's happened I mean some of these guys were set studs and wow they just just the harshness of the the regimen you know they just kind of let themselves go they they didn't want to be bothered with that stuff anymore well even guys that you know are still studs but just their bodies are slowly giving out that things are breaking off things the hips the back Mark Heman just got a hip replacement you know Mar but Dan Gable are great wrestler you know he went through the Munich Olympics unscored on imagine Olympic level tournament and the Russians had swore they're going to find a guy to beat him the guy went through the tournament out without being scored on yeah unbelievable animal poor guy double hip replacement I saw knees as well I think I think his knees are he needs to get his knees replaced as well so I mean but you know sometimes you you
think like was it worth it I I think when you ask lot of these guys you know the glory that they have they might say yeah it it was worth it because a long life of never having done anything I mean that that's not worth that's not a life worth living either in my opinion yeah it's a tough call because we're all going to die and eventually all of our bodies will give out and that's one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about because you uh early on in one of your early uh DVD d s um one of the first ones that I got which boy I don't know when when did you put out your first DVD my God I don't even know it's been a long time at least 15 years ago I got one of the earliest ones so you're probably you're probably about my age actually you're probably about 46 somewhere around there yeah and you were talking about the um the aging process fighting off the aging process and uh exercising to fight off that aging process and being conscious about doing that and that's something that I think very few people people do they just work out to be in shape they work out to stay in shape but you were one of the first guys that ever saw that was talking about it pretty actively on a DVD and teaching people strategies and techniques to fight off the aging process not just through exercise through manipulating your hormones through certain types of exercise and Joint Mobility joint Mobility is so important because all the deadlifts and kbell snatches and Swings in the world are not going to save save you as you begin to get older you got to keep that Mobility work up a lot of people don't understand what you mean by Mobility they get very confused with flexibility they are they are related but it's basically being able to move through full range and and keeping Complete Joint function and there specific exercises that a person can do to to enable them to do this and it feels damn good actually and I've studied the Russian systems you know there's like a Slavic health system and and Russian system they uh really really developed the mobility to a very very very high level and I was lucky enough to learn this stuff and then of course I added a lot of the stuff I learned from yoga and so forth in there and uh I came up with
this system for myself that I teach to to people my seminars and so forth and uh it's really kept me going I mean I could have ended up like all my comrades you know the guys I wrestled with back in the 60s and 70s and of course I been doing jiujitsu now for almost 23 years and competed at pretty high level in the in the age group divisions and that takes its toll but thank God for the mobility it kept me fairly uh I mean I can't say got through it completely unscathed but it it definitely kept my joints intact and I'm able to move pretty damn good and when I look at people in my family tree you know my my relatives my grandparents and so forth I mean they were moving bad I mean just really bad and uh I I vowed that that wasn't going to be me so with this system that I use of this Mobility it uh it keeps me pretty spry now what do you how often do you do it like do you have every single day every single day so give me a a like a a schedule like how do you what do you do how do you start out your day with it like well generally speaking I I'll get up I have a whole arotic therapy that I go through you know get up yeah I'll scrape my tongue with a tongue scraper this is uh there's a lot of stuff from the night U sleeping all night you know you build up uh uh substances of on the tongue get You' be shocked at what you see it comes off the tongue when you wake up in the morning you know obviously toothbrushing head massage and then head massage head massage do you do it yourself head yeah some uh I also have like a special little scraper thing that you know like little fingers that you really massage the head then I use a netti pot NE TI it's an artic technique where you rinse your sinuses so that you can breathe through the nose really really well nasal breathing is really important uh then I do a a dry brush massage uh it's a it's basically a German Swedish Russian thing where you just every inch of the skin you brush with a natural bristle brush because your Skin's the biggest organ in the body so you really want to keep it and this dry brush massage really is quite excellent for the skin stimulates the skin to you know to renewed growth gets rid of dead skin cells keeps it really nice and and uh your your complexion good and I'll scrape you know I I'll brush the the
body and then I I take a cold water therapy very big into cold water I used to do dowsing with the ice cold water in a bucket but since I travel I I pretty much have to use the shower so you just take cold shower yeah I I sometimes I'll do alternating hot and cold shower La is not too bad you know La you know the water's doesn't get too cold but sometimes like uh I was in Portland Oregon and before that Toronto the water's still pretty frosted and then there's a there's a whole towel treatment that I learned also in a towel treatment yeah there's a way that you can briskly use a a CO towel rather than having these soft towels you make them sort of like they're almost sandpaper and I learned it from this Russian guy this old Russian sauna master who showed me how to do this very vigorous towel rub down of course all the oldtimers knew about this stuff you know a lot of the uh you know uh muddy men of old you know George's hacken Schmid the Russian lion and you know air warland and and paval aola a lot of these old Health Pioneers uh Bragg mcfaden Harvey Kellogg all these you know turn ofth Century guys Harvey Kellogg the guy from Kellogg's yeah yeah do you know how crazy that guy was well he was pretty crazy well we were talking about him on the podcast yesterday that guy he used to take uh he created Kelloggs and created the Bland cornflakes yes to keep people from masturbating he bragged about never having sex with his wife although they were together for 40 years but he would have a daily enema by his handsome male assistant oh give him a daily enema well he's pretty crazy oh yeah he was about as crazy as you can get as CRA well they they got really really overly uh concerned about bow function some of these guys and sex and sex you know there's all that weird Victorian stuff going on there but uh the to treatment and then uh I'll do the five rights of Tibetan yoga that's something and how much time does all this take about 30 minutes for the whole thing scraping the tongue cold shower the whole deal yeah the the five rights can be done very quickly and what is the five rights uh it's uh spinning uh there's like a leg raise type thing uh a thing where you lean back uh there a table maker and uh it's an exercise called the pump like up
down dogs uhhuh it hits every part of the body it stimulates the hormonal system uh the the partitioners claim it realigns the the chakras where they called it the vortex people can if they want to Google it they can download a free pdf it's a book called The Eye of the Revelation and they can read all about it it was written by a British Army Major that happened to be uh stationed in the Northern Territories of India and Nepal and he observed these these monks these Tibetan Monks and how spry and how young they were and how even these guys in their late 80s were able to bound up and down the side of the Himalayan Mountains somewhat effortlessly and he noticed and took great note uh of their exercise system which was basically these five exercises every morning along with the U are you familiar with the prostration exercise no where you you you sort of like lay down your stomach and prostate yourself to uh prostrate yourself prostate prostrate yourself to uh Buddha as a as a sign of devotion it's pretty pretty tough little exercise so what do you do you you lie in your stomach and you lift your legs up and your yeah it's almost like doing a na wheel uhhuh and it's it's pretty tough man and uh you know like one of the things to differentiates old from Young is your ability to get up and down off the floor you know think about it like my mom for example I I I I visited she's not listening to the podcast so but I mean poor soul you know she's like almost 80 but she was bent over with her back to the side front I don't think she could get up and down off the floor I don't believe she could I think it really hard I don't think my dad could either you know and he actually ran and lifted weights most of his life but he didn't pay any attention to Mobility or flexibility training and he's still alive and yeah yeah do you talk to him about I mean that it's got to be weird when you got a son that's this health and fitness expert and you don't pay attention to it at all you know it's just the way parents are sometimes you know I mean they just don't want to listen to their kids but but I mean that's what's in my genetic code that's what's in my genetic trick so getting up and down off the floor is really really important and a lot of people can't do
it when I used to run my gym exercise I had a personal training studio in there besides my jiit school I would have people come to me that were only in their 40s that had a hell of a time getting up and down off the Flor so people don't I mean we're we're Grapplers you and I I mean we're used to it so most of the people we know no problem it's shocking Joe when you see what's going on out there I mean just utterly shocking every time I come from a uh uh you know from being overseas and I come back to the States I'm just blown away with the Obesity and and just the poor General Health and just how bad people look do you think that's just the the peripher of sugar in the diet corn corn syrup I mean all those things you know just the whole just the whole sary lifestyle sitting you know majority of people spend most of the time sitting down think of it this way imagine you work out an hour a day which is a lot most people do not work out an hour a day I think it's as that maybe 14% of the population actually works out at all and they're claiming mowing the lawn and walking the dog is exercise right so really serious hardcore exercises are few and far between it seems like millions of people are doing it to you and I because they're the people we hang out with right but most you know most those other people are not doing it so let's say you do work out an hour a day but then you're sitting most of the day right it's the new smoking sitting so you're going you're sitting in the car to go to where you s the breakfast table then you sit in the car to go to work or the train or the bus you sit at the desk all day then you go to lunch you sit some more go back to the office sit some more sit in the car going home then you sit down on Facebook or you you know you answer your emails or whatever then you sit down watch some television then you're lying in bed what's your body going to adapt to 23 hours of pretty much sitting on your ass or sleeping in bed or moving yeah for sure you're going to adapt to that sitting just despite the fact that you're working out it's not enough people aren't moving enough and any movement pattern that you don't use on a regular basis you quickly lose and a lot of people they just never you know they use exercise machines and so forth
or even if they use barbells or whatever or kettle bells you know they're not getting up and down off the flo unless they're doing the turkey get up or something that's one reason why I think it's such a fantastic exercise by the way well I like Turkish getups as well for Jiu-Jitsu I think it's one of the best exercises all around core strength and for that every important ability to manipulate a body that's on top of you you know if you can you know you can get a kettle bell and you can press that thing and then you could stand stand up while holding that kettle bell that that's a the goes a long way to be able to get up from the bottom when someone's uh on top of you but even just for the general population I mean just the ability to get up and down off the floor yeah all those movement patterns that you need to sit up in the elbow on the hand you know and it's kind of like standing up in Basse you know like in in Jiu-Jitsu and and then transferring the weight and I mean all those things of pro receptive movements and so forth and I think it's really one of the funnest things you can do but just getting up and down even with your body weight using like this um prostration exercise it's fantastic it's really good stuff what do you think about um have you ever seen uh Steve Cotter has this exercise that I uh got from him where you um you take two cattle Bells you line on your back like like you do in a situp you press them and then you sit up with the kettle bells you sit up with them pressed and you do a situp essentially and then you drop back down and then you do it all with your arms fully extended you know so I think calls it a power situp or something like that that's a hell of a is a hell of a yeah some people call them Russian sit-ups I everything Russian right right especially with kettle bells right especially with kettle bells but yeah I mean it's a hell of a movement I mean for sure nothing wrong with that then no I mean obviously you wouldn't take a deconditioned businessman and start out with a movement like that that's a good term deconditioned businessman I have a friend who's a great guy but I went to hug him the other day and you know I hugged him I put my hand on his back and I was like I was thinking I didn't say anything but I was thinking to myself
like how does it even support your spine I know there's nothing on your back like you grab a a Grappler you hug them and you feel their back you feel muscle you feel like you can feel the lats and the re span muscles sticking out there and nothing it was just this gooey like thing like d man keeps his his spine just barely hanging on and is it any wonder that people are in pain yeah or that you know these pharmaceutical companies are just you know pumping out painkillers right over left yeah unfortunately you know it's just masking the symptoms so people don't have an incentive then to get in there and do something about it they just covered up with the you know with the painkillers yeah I've been um pretty shocked at how much um decompression relieves a lot of uh a lot of pain in the back and about uh how much uh I take one of these harnesses and I attach to the top of a door and I strap my neck in it and uh like after I train especially I like to do that and I just it sort of just like pulls on your head and you could pull the string tick tick tick and it pulls you up and then it puts even more tension I like to give it like a lot of weight I like to put a lot of weight on it and when it's done it's like ah I feel this like Rush of Blood through my neck and it's amazing how how good it feels like as long as you make sure that sucker is tied down good to the the door cuz one time it wasn't and it bounced off and clocked me on the [ __ ] head and I had a a cut on my head for like a couple weeks was right when I was doing my sci-fi thing too so I was doing all these uh press junkets with a big [ __ ] scar on my head but um when it's uh when it's done correctly it's it's locked into place it's a a real good feeling like to just stretch everything use inversion boots I love the inversion boots yeah and there was a time when I had actually injured myself I was actually trying to do the ab wheel like Jackie Chan style from the feet and I was pretty good at it but I Jackie what's Jackie Chan style oh there was a movie one time with Jackie Chan using an abdominal wheel and he looked like an inchworm he was just going like boop boop boop boop it was just amazing and I developed the ability to go from the toes completely out and come back but I went too deep in fatigue and kinked my
back and gave myself a horrible case of stica I actually rotated a vertebrae sublation rotation and um what spondo thesis I went to my raw for it's the first time I ever heard the word surgery coming out of her mouth because she was pretty anti surgery and she said I don't know Steve you really did it to yourself this time I don't whether I can help you and in the meantime I had this burning sensation down my leg into my knee and my big toe just wouldn't stop burning like this chronic aching burning sensation that was just agonizing and what is that is that nerves yeah the nerve was pinched off so over time I went I went to a acupuncture guy to relieve some of the pain it had instant relief but then it would come back and over time she kept working this vertebrae back into place with her fingers and after about 8 weeks boom it went away like nothing ever happened it just disappeared but after that I was used that um I was also sitting on this chair called a back chair you maybe could bring it up uh it's f it holds you around the ribs like a clamp and you're sitting on a sling and then you release the sling and your back goes into traction and you're being held like up underneath your armpits oh so relieving man so you're being held under your armpits yeah but like a big clamp it kind of clamps on you and so it sort of like lets your lower body your lower body is just kind of hanging there in traction and decompressing like a dip almost kind of like a dip except there's no stress in your upper body you're just sitting like I am in this chair right now and this back chair was fantastic so between acupuncture the back chair and the roling she got me out of trouble and needless to say I wasn't too Keen about the ab wheel anymore not at least from the feet I was a lot more conservative hanging leg raises it's the same damn movement except you're in suspension and your back is in traction right safer exercise so what you were talking about the kind that you put your feet in the wheel like I was holding on like one of those little right cheapy $10 like what he's doing right here exactly now what I was actually doing it just like that but I just went too deep into fatigue and kink my lower back so you were just too tired while I was too tired I lost my
form a little bit I was you know going too hard you know that is the main issue that uh we talked about before the last time you were here about CrossFit I finally brought myself to watch the video of that guy getting paralyzed oh my God horrible man you know what's really telling about that video is not just what we're talking about is there was a CrossFit competition and there was a guy who was a CrossFit instructor that was doing a clean was it a clean press what was it was it what was the exra size I don't know anyway he had the bar over his head lost control of it and it fell on the back of his neck yeah no I I hadn't actually seen it was it a Thruster or I'm not I don't remember what it was but the my point is he was in competition with another guy who his body failed on him right before this guy like the guy next to him in the middle of it his legs just gave out and he dropped the bar and so he drops his bar and it hits him on the neck so it's like one guy drops his bar and then the next guy drops his bar right next to him which just the next guy was a catastrophic injury catastrophic both guys were so fatigued they shouldn't have been doing it in the first place they shouldn't have been lifting that weight no way man their whole body like rubber you know it's like we said last time the the the risk to benefit ratio you know are the risk worth it you've seen the video I I I haven't actually seen it let's watch it because I I I while you're bringing that up I'm going to take a quick uh please do please do yeah go ahead be right back he doing a snatch is that what it is yeah yeah it's it's it's so horrible to see and by the way I'm not down against exercise you know and any other anybody else's methods and I know that people some people like CrossFit and they they get a great deal of uh of pleasure out of that kind of exercise and pushing themselves and all that stuff and I understand it I get it um but this is hard to watch man watch this guy see oh Jesus well this is this is um this is the guy that got injured the guy to the right of him the right on the right of the screen he uh he hurt himself right before this see he's got this and then it just drops and hits his oh his body gave out first and then it hit his back on the way down that's so awful
man the guy next to him to his left if there's another video where you could see um a few moments before his body gives out the guy to his left his body gives out too just in a different way his legs just G yeah that guy there see he had already his body had already given out and his legs went rubber on him exercise is awesome it's it's really awesome it's great it's great for your body but godamn man you got to be real careful when you're throwing real heavy weights over your head and you're completely totally exhausted I just um I just don't think it's the right way to do it and listening to Steve talk about the importance of when you're doing these Olympic movements like Olympic powerlifting movements they're supposed to be done like very small reps like one and two and three reps these are like explosive exercises that are supposed to be done just for just just for developing strength I don't think you're supposed to do them at high repetition I know some people get away with it I know some people do it but godamn it just doesn't seem to be the right way to go take care of your meat wagon ladies and gentlemen the problem I have with Crossfit most of it is the same problem that I have with people who are vegans they cannot shut the [ __ ] up about being involved in CrossFit they would just ear beat you to death about CrossFit but in all fairness Ness with all objective thinking and introspective thought uh when I first started doing Jiu-Jitsu I couldn't shut the [ __ ] up about Jiu-Jitsu so maybe it might just be something that you know when people are excited about something by the way Jamie you were wrong the over under you said 35 minutes now an hour and a half dude I'm feeling great this is fine you know what's [ __ ] a little bit painful is my shins it's weird to have your shins pressed down um maybe I'm doing it wrong but uh my back feels great it definitely feels better than uh I usually feel when I'm leaning up against the back of the chair I'm usually trying to like keep my posture straight but I always fail but with this thing look at me dude [ __ ] lock down son complete look at that straight line kid that's what you're supposed to be just like that that's how you're supposed to sit how many people actually have one of these [ __ ] things in
their office though you know the other thing they tell you you should stand should stand at your desk that's like you to a concert and you have to [ __ ] stand Standing sucks it's not fun to stand Standing at your desk like it would be so distracting about this one that's the same oh it's a different one it's the opposite what is that I it's leaning a kneeling chair review huh yeah it's a different kind of where she's sitting on it wrong yeah that [ __ ] doesn't know what she's doing maybe she turned it around or something like that although it notice her spine is straight though somehow it's not like humped you know like the forehead or the kyphosis or anything so I mean it's not as bad as maybe like slouching down you know right so if her chair was flat instead of like Lean Forward yeah cuz I mean it is possible to like lean in this manner and still keep your spine straight if you have to you got to talk in the microphone otherwise folks aren't going to hear what the hell yeah Lean Forward yeah and but the worst thing is to let your back do this and your head come forward and that's what causes that permanent uh hump in the upper back they they call it kyphosis or Dowers hump or whatever and uh so that leaning forward that she was doing in that shair Pro probably isn't nearly as bad what is that well hell's going on there I don't know but look at that head what is that can't be good that's not good that's called forward head okay so look at that that's not good the way she she's like kind of like this you know it's real interesting because uh I worked with a a high-powered lawyer one time uh remember I don't know whether you remember this but remember the South Philly gang the Nikki Scarfo yes the mobster yeah uh I worked out the guy that put him in jail wow yeah he was one of my clients that guy [ __ ] stress uh the guy was under stress he was working like these ridiculously long hours I mean like 14 15 hours he barely had time to train so we came up with a plan you know we had talked about a stability ball so Mike swapped out his desk chair for stability ball and we got him a pedometer so he was trying to average like 10,000 steps a day and he was like taking the the stairs instead of the elevator or the escalator uh he would park his car as
far away as he could just to force himself to walk extra Paces just to go places he would walk during lunch and then eat at his desk but he also put in like one of those standup desk and would Pace during phone calls and or Pace back and forth while was sorting and swapping out his papers and this and that dict uh doing dictation to his secretary he ended up losing like 14 PBS during that time and you know he had he had the extra padding on his body and then he would come to me and we would do two 20-minute workouts a week just to keep his basic strength levels up and he was very successful and uh yeah he prosecuted Little Nikki Scarfo and put his ass in jail I would just think the stress of putting away murderers just the idea that you're the guy who's processing especially the mob yeah I mean that's a real murder that's a real murderer and a murderer that's connected to a bunch of other murderers that you know have a vested interest in keeping him out of jail did he get I mean he had to be like threatened all the time right you know it never came up I mean he never talked about that aspect of it but yeah I I you would think that there would definitely be like some type of threat there yeah yeah I mean if you're the guy that's putting a major mob figure in behind bars yeah you would have to be a little little weary you you know what's shocking to me um I don't know what if different police departments have different standards that they have for uh physical fitness or for uh self-defense but when training when a guy would come in and they tell me that he's a police officer and he literally can't defend himself at all it is shocking well you know so common though because of the this whole equal rights and all this stuff and I'm not against equal rights but they really dumb some of the standards down in some of the police forces to make room for for women and there was these little tiny women on the Philadelphia police force I swear to God any 12 to 13y old kid could just take their gun and beat them up I it just scared the the only thing they could do in a situation where someone would resist arrest would be lethal Force yeah what other Avenue would they have I mean maybe pepper spray or mace or you know a taser but I mean this is back in the day I I did a
lot of work with the police and law enforcement with um jiujitsu and uh I I I was utterly shocked sometimes when some of these people would come in the uh the National Park Service guards the you know the guys that wear the little mounty hats that uh are hired at all the national monuments and so forth how those guys were licensed to carry guns sometimes was just mindblowing yeah it was like wow dude you were so overweight and so obese and so immobile you know how are you going to put somebody under arrest when you can just barely even mobilize yourself you know it's it's shocking what happens sometimes and you know a lot of the cops that come to my seminars and so for they they'll agree you know most of the guys that go to my seminars are pretty motivated right to stay in shame yeah but you know not not so with their comrades it's yeah know I've met a lot of cops through uh martial arts you know and uh it's one of the reasons why I have a good opinion of cops is because I know so many of them that are good people great people man there's a lot of folks out there that you know really shouldn't be doing that job they can't handle that stress or even if they could handle that look stress levels vary dayto day who knows what's going on in people's personal lives and how that manifests itself in a job like being a police officer but if you're a fat [ __ ] on top of that Jesus Christ you know I mean I can't tell you how many times I've seen guys come to the gym and they've never had any training before and they were already a police officer and you're like what what would you do if somebody just tackled you like what would you do if you didn't have your hand on your gun at the time and even then if a guy smacks it and it goes flying and he's on top of you you're a dead man like you don't have any AB I would think that that would be like a writer who doesn't know how to spell or doesn't know how to type or doesn't literally doesn't know how to write English language like to be a police officer and not be physically fit or not have any knowledge whatsoever of self-defense it seems insane it it is insane there's a very famous training video that they show of I think it was in Texas where there was a pretty big guy he's probably about 250 huge cop but
obviously very fat and out of shape and these two little guys that tackle him down and take his gun and shoot him it's used as a training video for you know new recruits and so forth and boy if that one give you the incentive to like at least learn some basic self-defense on top of whatever they show in the police eies and so forth you know yeah I mean it's it's pretty crazy but you know those guys they do have a hell of a hard job but you don't not you don't meet nice people when you're a cop no you're meeting the worst elements of society every single day people just lying to your face no wonder they you know develop high stress levels having people lying to you and then having to determine are they telling the truth or are they lying and you know criminals are pretty devious and they're pretty good at lying well no even most folks that aren't criminals if you get they get caught doing something that's a crime they're going to lie and so the the cops just constantly dealing with people at their worst at their worst element you know so yeah I mean that would definitely uh have an impact on the way you think and your stress levels and of course we all know that food is a great balm you know you it's soothing it starts when you're a little kid you know yeah with you know your your dessert or your little treat or you know rewarding kids with I hope you don't do that to your kids by the way don't use food as a reward no but I don't demonized food either no of course not you know I I don't I give my kids healthy food most of the time but I also say who wants get ice cream let's do it there's nothing wrong with that too I mean Sugar's not good ever and I tell them that like this is not good for you but it tastes delicious so we limit it I try to talk to them like I mean I have a six-year-old and a four-year-old so I I try to talk to them like they're adults and then when they what does that mean then I explain it you know I treat them like their children obviously with a lot of love and infection and a lot of you know patience but I try to talk to them in a in an advanced way I don't treat them like they're dummies like I explained to them I said you know food is exactly what your body is built of your body whatever you take in that's all that your body has to build new
cells that's all it has it doesn't have any extra stuff it only has what you give it as far as food so it's important to give your body vitamins it's important to give your body all sorts of things like protein and water and then but I also say but it's important to [ __ ] off every now and then I don't say [ __ ] off I would if my wife wasn't around she gets upset at the bad words she doesn't want them learn the bad words early but uh I they learn them sooner or later for sure have a little mouth party with some sugar every now and then you know but I don't want it to be a forbidden thing yeah well yeah once you forbid something it it makes it even more desirable yeah and I I had friends that had kids and they Den not you know they weren't allowed to have any kind of treats or any of that kind of stuff guess what they do as soon as they go to a friend's house and then just freak out of that stuff man it's so funny I had this one lady that was like this really really you know snippy eater and you know everything was fresh and organic and she was so proud of her son and his diet that she had him on man every time I saw that kid he was with a friend with and they would sneak bags of candy and stuff God it's so crazy really truly so crazy how many people do that too it's so crazy how many people just they do that to their kids and they suppress them I I have a friend whose kid is overweight and he's always like on her like telling her don't eat this and don't eat that and like he'll do it publicly in front of people and shame the kid and it's a terrible way to deal it to do it and then when no one's around like she was at a party the other day and I watched her just eating like eating cupcakes and just looking around eating like like ran just frantically stuffing them in her face he's going to create a bulimia yeah or a real problem yeah someone that has a serious eating disorder so yeah sh shame never works yeah it's terrible it's just a bad thing to do to a kid it's just uh you know children they're developing and that's the thing that people don't understand like to to raise a kid it's you can't just go on your instincts you can't like say oh you need to toughen them up and tell them what to do no you're going to develop all sorts of weird crazy things in their head you're going to develop
blocks and they're going to have these mental blocks they're going to have to work out in therapy for the rest of their life if you [ __ ] with their head too much when they're little well I mean think about it most of us didn't have that great a role model yeah you know and there's there's no directions that come with raising a kid man exactly and it makes me wonder why so many people think that they are good uh or even qualified to be parents I mean nowadays with the world being the way it is I would be really reluctant to want to bring another Soul into this world and I don't know I I just don't feel like most people are really that qualified to be be parents they should really think about why are they doing this it seems like kids are almost an accessory you know something that you show off or it's an accessory or they just bring them in because it's the thing to do or whatever you know it gives them meaning it gives a like meaning I think for a lot of folks they feel like if they don't have children that they're they're somehow or another not contributing and I have I faced that before I had children people would say to me like oh you know one day you're going to have to grow up and you're going to have to have kids right now you're living like Peter Pan let me tell you something you know that ain't their way to live and and they they make it like there's some nobility into having children I couldn't disagree with that more I think if you want to have a life where you contribute a life where you're uh a person who is uh is is a beneficial person to society it's real simple have good friends do something you love doing Inspire others you know be nice to folks that's it that's all you really have to do you don't have to have kids like and if you have kids and you [ __ ] up and you have shitty kids you've done the opposite now you've created problems like I had a friend who used to always rag on people for uh you know like that hadn't uh hadn't reproduced but he was a degenerate and his one of his kids smoke crack the other kid was in jail I mean and he was like bragging about having kids like you [ __ ] idiot you've created disasters when your kids come into the room I leave created more of a problem for society than not not in his eyes but you know it's yeah it is funny there is a
pressure on people you know it's too bad it's it's an unnecessary pressure you know and by the way you could always just work out you know all that you could go and and volunteer your time at a youth center it's funny if people kids out there they don't have yeah exactly they don't have good mentors or or parents or or whatever father's kids and so forth the thing that really bugs me and you see this in Jiu-Jitsu or martial arts a lot where guys give up their dreams for the kid like they sacrifice everything for the kid what a horrible role model what what message is that I am the I am so important I'm the center of the universe right and kids grow up with this over you know they talk about lack of esteem I think most modern kids have too much esteem they've been you know they grew up like a little prince or a little princess and it's like man the best thing a guy could do is continue to work out keep yourself in great shape take that time for yourself to keep yourself healthy cuz I mean what use is a man to his family if he's broken down and sick and he just works his ass off all the time and doesn't keep himself healthy and my God go go to the mat and get your time in man you know to keep yourself mentally healthy and and and happy but I can't tell you how it used to bug me when I had my jiu jistic School how many guys you know they let family uh just completely undermine everything they were doing for their health and their well-being and and their their sport K becomes like a project exactly and they put tremendous amount of pressure on their kid because of that you know I think it's very important to set an example and one one of the best examples that you could have as a parent is just to live a balanced life to live a fulfilled life enjoy yourself enjoy your time so that your kid has like that in their head like oh you know I should I should I I see how my mom lives her life I see that she's fulfilled I see that she enjoys she has Hobbies she enjoys she likes to educate herself she likes to read likes to do things I like to do things too and like you get stimulated if you have a mom that's a fat [ __ ] that sits around watching Real Housewives at Beverly Hills and eating Cheetos and complaining about people and talking [ __ ] you know
those kids will develop that sort of a habit they'll start talking [ __ ] too and they'll start floundering around too children imitate their atmosphere you know very much so and you know like the old man that's been working all day and he comes home he's grouchy he's tired you know you know and then all of a sudden he's dumped on with all the all the problems oh yeah when my kids were little man I would put him in the damn play pen and they could scream their [ __ ] heads off and I did my training and they were going to learn that hey for that time hey I'm doing my thing I was making sure they weren't hurt right there's nothing but it wasn't going to kill them right you know and then I would get finished how old were your kids when or your kid when you got uh divorced uh let's say the daughter was 12 going on 13 and Zach was like I guess 14 at the time that's tough on kids right that's tough on kids and especially at that Agee right the high school age close to high school well the girl more so than the boy that was tough for her Zach he was a little bit more philosophical he's a pretty mature kid for his age and he was able to take it in stride a little bit more yeah when kids see parents that are together too you know they they look at these like happy households like uh some of my daughter's friends um they're single moms or they're broken up with their husband or going through divorce and you can see they they hate it the kids you know especially at that age like six they really suffer it's a crazy thing how human beings just a lot of times really desire that nuclear household that father mother household so much so that people will go through it and that's the other the other side of it is the folks that go through it where they're just getting tortured they hate each other but they're sticking together for the kids like man you'd probably be better off the kids would probably be better off if you broke up plenty of families that shouldn't be together man it's so toxic and the kids grow up with you know in that toxic environment but what you were saying before kids do emulate what you you do and by being a good example by taking care of your health and taking time to work out and pursuing your own interest and not just making everything about the kid about
the kid about the kid about the family you know yeah you also give them a sense of Independence too well yeah then they can see wow okay my my dad's his own man or my mom's her own woman and you know they're they're not just all wrapped up in me you know so what a what a what a great role model that is for them to grow up and and realize that yeah that that's the way it is is there an age where kids shouldn't lift weights cuz we always heard that when we were younger like if you lift weights when you're a certain age it's bad for your body that it's bad it'll stunt your growth you'd always hear like things like that is that a are those myths a lot of it is a myth uh I mean obviously kids when they're small they don't have good motor control or good motor skills so you know you don't want them hurting themselves you know but certainly doing body weight exercises I mean your your daughter probably tries to emulate already anyway you know when she sees daddy in the his home gym or whatever she wants to do some push-ups and stuff and that's that's fine usually by the time a kid's old enough to start doing household Shores and helping around the house a little bit is a good time to get them in some type of formal training but it got to be somewhat fun you know Sky's everything is playing we talked about uh uh hixon's uh hidden Jiu-Jitsu you know you can kind of do like hidden workouts and stuff yeah cron would joke around about it though like there was no hidden pressure he's like that pressure was real man that pressure is real can you imagine growing up the son of the greatest jiu-jitsu fighter ever it has to be not just on the Block not in the neighborhood not in the state not a state champion the highest expression of the art that that there ever was and a crazy yoga guy too you know this dude is doing this crazy breath work and [ __ ] what a but also look look where it turned out I mean he's a world champion himself so obviously so something worked out there yeah clearly worked out it's like with my kid you know I used to play all sorts of fun little games I would take he used to love to go to this dollar store you know everything was a buck it was a heaven for little kids you know all that cheap plastic toys and all that stuff so I would tape dollar bills up on a pole or on the wall and he would
have to figure out how to P Furniture up and climb up and get it oh Jesus that sounds like a [ __ ] recipe for disaster well you know I spotting him you know but I mean he got good at climbing stuff man yeah uh I used to bet him that he couldn't get from the basement of our four-story Brownstone in Philly from the basement to the top floor where my bedroom was without touching the stairs so he's doing like ninja war stuff like you know bracing himself in the wall and and and or walking with his feet in one wall and his hands in the other cat crawling up the railing I mean he was doing this stuff when he was really really little and but but when he was like in kindergarten we play Indiana Jones at the Temple of Doom I'd have a big stability ball like the big uh concrete ball or you know the granite ball that is going to crush Indiana Jones well Zach could jump down a flight of stairs and land and roll before I could roll that ball down the stairs and jump down a flight of stairs he learned to do this stuff from a very young age because he started when he was like 3 or four years old how many stairs it be like 14 steps he jumped down 14 stairs he hold onto the rail and swing his legs out and jump to the bottom oh okay so he would hold on to the rail and jump over the side SW no no no he would like swing his body in the stairwell and jump down the Flight of the stairs oh my God yeah it's kind of cool yeah yeah that seems like a lot of stress on the on your legs though yeah you know kids at that age they're so resilient and I mean he had been building to this stuff you know from the time he was like boring man I was I was thinking that the other day when I was watching our kids play I was like you very rarely hear about kids getting a knee injury nah kids don't get hurt I mean they fall you know what you know when they start getting hurt when the parents start to put that fear of ground engagement anywhere in the world you go by a playground and I don't even have to understand the language to know what these people are saying mothers and so forth get down look out right you're going to get hurt oh that's so dangerous get you know you put this fear into kids' minds but up to that point their bodies is so resilient okay maybe they'll fall they start to learn their
own limitations but instead well-meaning but misguided adults put these limitations in their mind already premature so they never really discover so they get this inborn fear especially of falling and so forth one of the five big human fears you know and when I used to teach wrestling and jiujitsu and so forth teaching people throws was really hard as an adult because they had this terrible fear of falling but it was misguided because I mean when you're a little kid and you learn how to fall and roll like exacted man you can Falls and throws and you're you're absolutely fine bodies are so mobile so resilient they haven't built up all that stiffness but when you put that fear in a person's mind you get that fear reactivity for sure you're going to get hurt because you stiffen at the wrong time you know the difference between like dropping a ball on the ground and a brick you know right the brick shatters and the the ball will will bounce well you make people like bricks with all this fearfulness and you hear it all the time I I hear parents constantly putting this this this fear into the kids well I fell off of monkey bars when I was six to snap my arm in half so it's probably good to have a little bit of fear a little fear I was like I broke my arm my mom would always hear me say I broke my arm when I didn't break my arm but she looked at me and she goes wow you really broke your arm you know snapped in half it was but you know you learned a harsh lesson but you know it still didn't make you completely afraid of climbing and doing stuff I mean I bet you within a couple months you're right back in there doing the stuff again yeah I remember out of trees I felt like every bone in my body had broken you know you know what's amazing is um how well kids can manipulate their body too my my daughter can do uh what is that called when you put your feet on the ground your back bends and you put your hand yeah right their little spies are so incredibly flexible and you know and she can go up on her tippy toes and she's only six she could also climb a rope I have a rope in my garage you see my garage it's pretty high ceiling she grabs that rope and climbs all the way to the top and I was watching her do that I was like how many women can do that like she's like a tiny little girl she's six like how many
grown women can support their own weight like that and climb up do it no most gr yeah most gr they couldn't climb a rope if their life actually depended on it yeah isn't that sad it is sad and that that's one of the best things I ever did for my kid I just hung a rope in our foyer of our house we had like one of those kind architecturally designed houses that the kitchen went up three floors you know mhm with the like a a a high level typee thing split level and um took my life in my own hands with my drill trying to hang that damn rope man I tied myself in with my Jiu-Jitsu B and was leaning over the balcony trying to find a a a beam with a beam finder and you know got the drill this all while the ex-wife is out of the house and uh she comes home and she has this rope hanging down in the middle of her foyer by her kitchen and uh you know I got both kids climbing that rope was that the beginning of the divorce proceeding probably my whole from from the moment I said I do was the beginning of the divorce Pro that's how it works sometimes that's how it works sometimes it's just the idea of getting married like let's we're going to be normal we're going to be like everybody else we're going to get married it'll work out once we're married it'll work out it never does man I prefer an UNM marriage right an UNM marriage is where I have my money she has hers I got my credit cards she has hers I have my possessions she has hers I don't tell everybody to do she doesn't tell me what to do you know it's like an agreement we're together because we want to be together we don't need a government agency to tell us that we can live together and we definitely don't need a government agency telling us that we're allowed to be a partner well that doesn't sound very romantic Steve I don't know what kind of woman's going to accept that but I'll tell you right now I am not going to I'll tell you right now Steve I want a traditional marriage I don't want to be able to tell my friends that I'm married that's the other thing chicks love to tell their friends they're married very few guys like are excited to tell their friends they're getting married like see I got her she's marrying me I did it you know they go yay we're we're getting married like well congratulations but it's never
like this Milestone accomplishment like wow you pulled it off but a girl were like look I'm getting like oh my God I can't believe it girls get so excited I'm so happy for you they'll hug it's a completely different experience for the male women have got it in their head or some I should say because of movies and of the stories you know this romantic happily ever after idea that they have to uh they have to get legally bound they don't think of it as you know it's you the way you look at it is so harsh and so jaded it's not a legal contract it's it's a beautiful agreement and it's you take your relationship to a Next Level yeah until you hit those divorce proceedings and then you realize oh this is a contract like this is a legal contract with the state and now I got to bring in lawyers and got to figure out how to [ __ ] divvy up my money and the lawyers get a giant chunk of that action that's the big scam that's what when um Phil Hartman before his wife killed him when he was trying to get divorced shot him in his sleep he um was ranting to me I go just [ __ ] give her half and he's like it's not half that's the thing it's a third because the lawyers get a third too you lose two thirds it's not half pretty much man he was just steaming that's why I like the the non-marriage that's nice the non-marriage everyone keeps their own uh personality and you don't like just get all wrapped up see this guy Jamie was show me these yesterdays Russian oligarch lost 4.5 billion bi in a divorce course I guess when you have billions and billions is probably not that big of a deal right it's a big deal no matter how much money you got the idea that some chick is going to be going off banging other dudes with your money and riding Ferraris and flying private jets everywhere and buying castles all with your cash why because you had sex with her I guess uh they don't have prenups in Russia huh or if they do he didn't get one I mean he just maybe thought he was going to this is going to be different man [ __ ] all the other 50% of the people that could make it I'm not even hedging my bets I'm all in he pushed all his chips on the table and but you know the thing that uh I think sours a lot of marriages and I can speak from experience cuz I've been married and divorced three times just was three
times three times you [ __ ] yeah man I kept going back for more and I I finally got smart you know I I three times pretty crazy wow but so many of us guys we we get we get the a woman who is the what I call the girl you know really fun to be around very you know feminine uh just you relate uh together as friends and then what do we do we turn around and change her into a mother you know and mother is a whole different animal a whole different being than that girl that that that that that young girl that was carefree and and fun to be around and you go to the movies and you go out and you'd play and you'd just have a great time and all that just goes right out the window Once you turn her into a mother I'm not even talking about kids you know I've seen plenty of people without kids that the woman still becomes the mother oh yeah you know like a mother substitute well they become a dominant role in the man's decision- making and they sort of control him in a very motherly way I think that becomes very unattractive to women too like I don't think a lot of women like the man they don't like that role I mean they don't want to be put into that role you know a lot of women you know they they like a strong guy that kind of take care of them right well I don't know I mean I wouldn't want to generalize but I the the what I've seen from the women that dominate the men the like the guys that I know where the women tells them what to do and those guys also have a hard time getting sex like almost Universal it's it's almost like a rule like if the woman dominates and the woman tells you what to do and the woman just controls your spending and controls you know what your hobbies are and tells you what's going to happen and where you going to go those guys don't get much sex and I don't know if that's related to a like a woman being attracted to a man that she can't control or not attracted to a man she can control rather well the mother doesn't like sex the mother is against sex and that's what happens so often in these marriages and you know I've had a lot of women that are massas and you know they uh body workers and man when you know they tell me it's uncanny how many of their male clients will always proposition and try to rankle sex out of them and these are legitimate body I'm
not talking about prostitutes right right right and I mean it's pretty common you know guys are just sex starved in their relationships and their their marriages but the thing that really used to rankle me most more than anything was the way women would not want to be they would want to separate their guys from their their their friends yeah and they really resented the fact that God was coming to Jitsu training as a guy that owned a jiujitsu school man the the wives and girlfriends would give the guys such a hard time about going and training if anything they should be encouraging the guy to go as much as possible yeah and you know they pulled these guys out of there and that's that's a damn shame to do that to a guy it's also a damn shame for a guy to pull his woman out of something that she loves to do girlfriend or wife be fair of course yeah it's it's a terrible thing when people try to change the person who they're they love and control them I mean could you imagine your friend doing that to you like a friend going come on man you're not going to work out what are you working out for I don't want you working out hey I don't want you working out you're my friend you're coming with me you're like what like I don't like you camping why you camping you know I don't like you going to ball games you'd be like what the [ __ ] are you talking about you're crazy but when that friend happens to be someone that you have sex with or you're romantically connected to girlfriend fiance wife whatever you want to call it that person all of a sudden has a some sort of a a role they can dictate like your actual day like dictate what you do whether it's a guy doing it to a wife or a girlfriend or a woman doing it to her husband or her boyfriend it's a weird thing that people just sort of accept and and it happens so often and you know and it's always gross it's no wonder that divorce is at its all-time highest rate [ __ ] idiots all of of us youo I was ID I did it three times what did you think about on number three when that one failed you like [ __ ] what's wrong with me why did I do this three times pretty much it was like damn what was I ever thinking man I I had a lot of Shame actually and a lot of feelings of u u unworthiness or whatever you know like a
feeling of being a failure and all that and then I just realized well you know some people just aren't cut out I should have never been in that situation the first place which wife did you have the kids with uh the first one and the third one oh wow so you had kids with both of them yeah so how was how old's your oldest kid right now uh 45 Jesus Christ you got a 45 you got I was 17 years old wow pretty much knucklehead an idiot you know so what would that makeer that would be uh well she got to be like 45 wow that's crazy yeah and then um z a black Bel teacher down at hoer Gracie school and hedes Leb and um where's that at John Fred that's Gracie San Diego oh San Diego yeah they just moved in a new place I haven't even seen their new uh the new school yet HED just just moved into a new place and supposed to be fantastic what a hot bed San Diego is for training and his partner is this guy xam Freda Johnny Freda he's one US Nationals and world nogee I think he went Dua Doby I don't know he's hell of a noie Grappler and Zach teaches for those guys down there and then hoer lends the name to the school and shows up you know I mean he's on the road most of the time the and so forth ho has kind of done that too right neither one of those guys they just decided to not have a an academy yeah it's it's hard being tied down to an academy and it's it's better just to have like maybe a place where you can you know let someone else run it and then you can go out in the road and do the seminar circuit and there's still a lot of call for uh seminar circuit is a big thing for Jiu-Jitsu guys Eddie Bravo makes a lot of money doing that that's a big part of his income he does a lot of travel and a lot of seminars and even myself I mean I get a fair share of Jiu-Jitsu calls these days I mean you know was one of the first American black belts and so forth uh I don't consider myself an expert in the type of competition game they have now uh but when it comes to the old school self-defense the LA Gracie self-defense I cons myself one of the top authorities I learned it really well from both horon and helson and ELO himself and uh it's a fantastic system it's shocking how many black belts don't even know the basic standup self-defense
they don't realize what a great self-defense system Brazilian jiu-jitsu really is what do you mean by like stand up self-defense well every fight start standing up people grab yeah be hugs and grabbing you by the hair by the throat or grabbing your jacket or pushing you up against a park car or a wall there are self-defense uh systems in place to either prevent those things or to get yourself out of a bad situation it doesn't always involve going to the ground per se and ell or Gracie was a real master at adapting the old Japanese system and making it more applicable to smaller weaker people through the use of Leverage and it can even be taught to kids it's uh the gra to have that anti-bullying system too which was the finest thing you could teach a kid I mean think about Kate or Taekwondo whatever that a lot of parents take the kids to how's that work well you got to basically bust somebody in the face right yeah kick them in the head or you know that's going to get you thrown out of school for sure right but at least with jiujitsu you know you can use other means that isn't it's not going to get you suspended from school for you know two or three or four weeks or whatever I was watching um one of the uh inside UFC Ultimate insiders yesterday you know they have those shows where they detail training camps and stuff they were talking about TJ Dillashaw Was preparing for this fight and they had a scroll at the bottom of the screen and it was about a football player who got was under arrest for kicking another football player in the head and the other guy was in critical condition did you hear about that I don't know what happened was this on the field or in the locker room or no idea it was just the scroll at the bottom and that the player was in critical condition and then one one player kicked him in the head I don't know if it was pro or college I don't know what it was you know well we have a very litigious Society so you use a real violent way to to end some type of altercation well you know you mentioned like the the the truck driver today that was blocking you when you picking up your packages imagine that would wouldn't went South and he started getting really belligerent and getting up in your face Maybe pushing around
right Jiu-Jitsu would have enabled you to control the situation without necessarily hurting the guy right but if you would have resorted to your mu tie and I've seen the way you kick and punch it's pretty formidable you could have knocked the guy in the next wig well you could really kill somebody that's the real problem they fall down killing killing people in fights a lot of times happens when you hit them and they go unconscious and they hit their head on the ground now imagine if you would have punched them in the face and he would have lost one tooth I mean imagine a tooth replacement dental bill there's the thing ruers kicks Philip Nelson off football team after quarterback is charged an assault on Minnesota man is that it crazy crazy no the Minnesota guy was a linebacker for Minnesota state is this they have a video of it yeah oh play the video let's see this what happens here not so man I wonder if they knew what the hell was going on early Sunday as part of their videotaped down it's crazy chared not much has been arrested and charged with assault police release surveil this guy ruined his life man was he he was on the ground and being after being punched and knocked To The Ground by another suspect was a nightclub or something former football is in critical condition and doctors say that they're not sure he'll survive oh Jesus Christ so his life is ruined as he knew it oh my God so he'll be out of school but see that the point of you know using the violence of punching and kicking okay it works there's no doubt oh definitely works but but the but the but the after effect you know the ramifications of using that type of violent behavior and for children in particular to teach them that yeah wow they're going to be thrown out of school for sure that that's why I always like the wrestling in the Jiu-Jitsu you can control it without necessarily have to you know smash somebody yeah absolutely the only real problem with that is of course multiple people but multiple people most of the time you're [ __ ] no matter what pretty much it's very rare that a guy it a it's not like you know the movie Jackie Chan movie Jackie Chan or Chas s you one video it was from Turkey where this guy
was a boxer and he was being attacked by this whole group of people we were doing we were watching it uh during uh one of the uh podcasts that we do and I was doing commentary on it because the guy's a really good boxer and all these people are chasing after him and he's dropping them left and right there's like [ __ ] 10 or 15 guys chasing after him and he drops like 10 of them you know they they're circl around him and a guy comes forward crack he pops this guy crack he pops that guy they're trying to grab him he's backing up dropping guys it was really like a scene in a movie like if you saw in a movie you would say well this is fun to watch but in real life this never happens but this actually did happen did like that movie Old Boy here it is here's a video they they're chasing after this guy and so after they're chasing after this guy they get out people start arguing and they're chasing after him but the guy knows how to fight bam he drops that guy bam he drops that guy bam he drops that guy they're all chasing after him now they're getting mad because he keeps dropping these guys look he's got his hands up he's got a good jab too check this jab out look at that bam look at that jab drops that guy with a jab look at this bam that's just a stiff jab not and they're all running after him he's moving back and he's got the state of look at that drops that guy drops that guy he's got the the state of mind to to move back and then pause for a second and fire too catching guys coming in yeah he's obviously trained look at that jab he's very well trained yeah obviously hands up high and turning left and right and dropping dudes I guess I guess it seems like they're playing the same thing over and over again so it's probably only five or six guys but still well they're coming at them one at a time you know and obviously they weren't training people yeah you yeah that's I think if you're you know imagine trying to fight train guys but you know how often do you ever find train guys out in the street and if you do what a terrible situation' be a horrible situation but for the most part you know thugs aren't well trained well I had a friend who uh got an argument with a guy where they're in their cars and they're yelling at each other [ __ ] you [ __ ] you pull over [ __ ] you and they they pulled over and
they both got out of the car and both guys could fight one guy shot and the other guy the other guy stuffed the take down they start duking it out on their feet and they like holy [ __ ] and they were both like really well the street and he said we were going out it for like 10 minutes before both of us are exhausted and they wound up high-fiving each other and get back in their car and drive it away so they they [ __ ] both realized that like they were going to they thought they were going to tee off on some dude who didn't know how to fight the guy shoots in for a double the other guy gets under Hooks and sprawls and they're looking at each other like what the [ __ ] going on here and they're like fainting each other leg kicking each other and [ __ ] they were actually du get it out and then somewhere along the line they were having fun and they realized like they were having respect for each other and then they high-fived each other and got back in their cars what are the odds very rare very very rare also that they could go through that and laugh you know and go oh it's [ __ ] stupid let's get out of here and you know bruised up it's always stupid right it always ends up being stupid I mean those type of things well the worst is the Drunken moments like probably these guys that were at this nightclub this football player kicking this guy while he's down and also the crazy thing is movies that show head trauma and make it out like it's no big deal guy gets pistol whipped and he wakes up later what happened meanwhile he's fine you know and he's just still saving the day you know you get pistol whipped you're probably [ __ ] up for about six months you're going to be yeah a serious concussion man yeah I mean uh Matt Grace I don't know if you know who he is UFC fighter great guy was hit in a uh Collision was rear ended uh going 65 M an hour somebody just wasn't paying attention I don't know what the details were but his CL his car was plowed into had brain surgery I mean barely made it big scar in his head they had to remove his plate from his head they move a piece of his skull to give his uh his his brain a relief from the pressure and then they had to put it back in place but you know he was talking about how much it affects him how much mental
fatigue he has oh my God yes you know it creates like we were talking about earlier you know like the NFL I mean look at the con the whole concussion controversy right now yeah it's going to change football as we know it yeah what are they going to do about that because the sport it's like it would almost be like MMA like how how would you take away the concussions in MMA I don't even know how that would happen you can't you know unless it' be some kind of like body shots only in wrestling or something but that I don't know I don't I don't think the fans would buy it and it's the other thing that happens that you see in MMA is when a guy gets knocked out how easy it is for him to get hurt after that like Anderson Silva's perfect example goes through his entire career looks like he has an a chin of iron you know fights everybody never gets hurt even if he gets dropped gets right back up seems like he's fine you know fights all these killers and then Chris weyman shuts his lights out and then the next fight Chris webman drops him with a punch that looks like he would absorb that punch under any other circumstance if you look at his entire career was hit with harder punches hit with cleaner punches seemed to be fine but he takes that one shot from widman and you see his eyes roll back and he goes down he recovers he's hanging on for dear life and clinching but you got a sense that he's damaged it's accumulative you know the nervous system gets insulted like that and it just builds and builds and builds I I remember as a college wrestler in my senior year I was I was illegally slammed in my head and had a pretty bad concussion and uh I had another incident in training same thing and they they they told me even back then and this is back in the 70s that one more I was banned for the season that was it wow yeah but not an MMA you know so many guys get knocked out in training and then wind up fighting you know so a few Eddie Alvarez just pulled out of his big fight with Michael Chandler and one of the things that he was talking about was uh that he had gotten knocked out before their last fight he got knocked out in training a few weeks before the fight and got through it okay but that this one was uh he had gotten hit in training wrestling uh you know uh someone
sprawled and he got you know hit in the head by one of a guy used his hips and just a collision you know just a random collision and then another random Collision while he was trying to get a single the guy pulled his leg out and as the guy's kicking his leg out he hit him on the chin and you know thinks he's fine just training hard like normal but then can't get over the headaches and it just like it hurts him to move his head around and then he goes to a neurologist and he he gets CAT scans done the whole deal and they realize like you know you're not going to be fighting it's going to be very interesting to see what happens in these next 10 years with the first crop of mixed martial arts Fighters yeah and how they Age and what you know some of the these guys are getting a little bit older now and what the permanent ramifications are going to be from all those brain injuries and so forth and I think it's going to be similar to what we saw in boxing with a lot of these guys you know having dementia and you know the the the classic punch drunk I mean it's it' be interesting I think I agree with you and I think that um it it kind of brings up the question that you were talking about with Dan Gable like is that Glory worth having those hip replacements it's one thing to have your body aching but it's another thing to have your mind compromised to the point where the quality of your thinking has greatly deteriorated not just your ability to move your body but your ability to communicate with people like when you used to hear Joe Frasier before he died it was painful to listen to I actually saw him out in the street you know because I lived in Philly and I you know I I actually saw him walking down P the youngk Avenue right where I lived people said Hey Joe and the poor guy you couldn't understand a word he said the way he slur his speech and yeah it was like really really really sad do you do you ever foree in the future uh remember how McCain was trying to ban MMA mhm for the longest time right after the initial thing got started right do you think do you foresee any of that happening again it as as this type of thing happens I'm just curious it could but it would be very it would be the only way that would be possible is if someone figured out a way to make football safe because if
they don't make football safe and they're not going to ban football football's the national big a sport too big too huge too many people love it too many people look forward to it football season is just a huge part of being American um if they don't ban that and someone wants to ban MMA it's going to be a real problem it's going to be hard to reconcile but you know they say that well the difference is that football the goal is not to knock a man unconscious the goal is to get a ball across the line to score correct so like organized team Warfare yeah it's all well and good but what's happening what is actually happening what's actually happening is giant people are slamming into each other and one of the things that this guy told me um that I found incredibly fascinating about concussions he's like the big misconception about concussions is that it has to be from a head injury he's like what you don't realize is you can get a concussion from getting hit in the chest oh yeah a hard shot to the chest like football players colliding with each other not even making contact with the head but just the the Boom the impact of these enormous powerful bodies slamming into each other causes the brain to Rattle around inside your skull spash up against the side of the brain pan and that causes concussions and there's a lot of guys who suffer concussions with no head trauma their head doesn't actually get it's not a direct head contact it's just the body getting rocked by an impact how you how you going to take that out of sports any sport even basketball guys fall down Combat Sports yeah I mean one of the things that the guys can do look at this boom there's a perfect example Jamie that's a that guy got a concussion right watch this look at this look at his head Boom the way it snapped for oh my goodness and the size of that man who grabbed him Jesus Louis like if you think about a guy like Lawrence Taylor going full clip or Ray Lewis that's just like a nightmare these guys can go 100 yards in like Sprinter time Elite Sprinter time and they're 300b of muscle it's yeah it's shocking the forces that go in go into the whole thing by the way not possible without steroids I don't give a [ __ ] what anybody says you don't get
that big you don't get that strong you don't get that fast test them all you want there's some [ __ ] going on there's a lot of those [ __ ] dudes that are on the juice if you go back in time and you look at the football players from the 1960s and you look at the football players of today sure you had your guys you know you had your yeah you had your your your you know who was the um the guy who was uh who did uh commentary in the UFC 1 Jim Brown Jim Brown Jim Brown super athlete natural greatest ever fantastic athlete those guys today are so much bigger than him they're just he's a little guy by those go go back even further let's take Jim Thor oh yeah you know I went to Jim I I went to uh I grew up in Carl Pennsylvania where Jim Thor went to the Indian School there in Carlo PA no kidding and I went to school with his uh his nephews his Grand nephews both boys were what was he like as he got older uh he became an alcoholic unfortunately you know he was penniless he was stripped of his Olympic medals for playing a one pro baseball game or something getting paid for a game what yeah they had stripped his medals from him for the his amazing Olympic performance wait a minute you because he did the baseball game before the Olympics or after the Olympics no no before he had actually got paid uh like so made a nominal amount of money I don't know $15 something for playing the game and he was stripped of his medals and but he died just basically a ditch digger and and a penniless guy but to give you an idea of how versatile the football players were in those days my uh my friend the the nephew of Jim Thorp told me the story that he missed the bus from Carlow to Harrisburg to play the game so he ran from Carl out to Harrisburg which is about 18 and a half miles to the game and got there in time to play the second half and scored several touchdowns how far is that 18 miles 18 miles he ran 18 miles TR dog tried at 18 miles got there in time to play the second half and and actually won a cou uh did a couple scores that's insane talk about an insane athlete how big was he uh you know I don't know bring it up looking Jim Thor he wasn't a big guy but he you know they played both ways you know you played offense and you played defense yeah look at that he
looks like a UFC welterweight and he was a damn good boxer and wrestler too wow and but I mean that was back in the day where they didn't suffer the terrible head traumas because it was more of an arm grabbing wrestling kind of game and were guys smaller too and smaller yeah and you know I stayed in Sydney I I love Australia I love the Aussies and I was teaching Jiu-Jitsu down there and they're really into Australian Rules Football and um it's very similar to rugby the guys don't get nearly the traum traumatic injuries that they do in like NFL it's more like organized team wrestling they're out there wrestling and in fact they train a lot of wrestler wrestling for these guys they bring wrestlers in to teach them basic wrestling holds and um you don't get the I think it's the modern equipment that allows these guys to hit each other with such Force well that is the big argument about football that if you really wanted to make football safer you would take away the helmets and people like that's so counterintuitive like how how can you protect people by taking away protection but the reality is that protection is it's it's a fake sense of security a fake sense of security take the gloves off the UFC fighters like they did in the first four okay you're going to see a lot of surface Cuts right you know facial Cuts you know for the knuckles but you're not going to see the traumatic head injuries like you do with the gloves right those gloves allow guys to punch so freaking hard that make the hands like weapons but you take the gloves off man the hand pretty fragile yeah you're not going to just be grounded and pound them like you know do you think if they did that You' start to see guys practice on the makiwara remember those uh those Japanese you probably would you'd have to definitely Mach still does a lot of that Mach still practices on the I think he see a lot of open hand strikes as well I think you're right remember when Hills Keith Hackney fought that gigantic Sumo dude and essentially [ __ ] slapped him [ __ ] slapped him man just dropped him the guy was like 600 lb Emanuel yarro he hit him with his gigantic like swinging [ __ ] slap which is a great self-defense technique your palm it's amazing how much impact your mom can take and not get hurt I mean you could do that look
I'm doing this on this hard oak table if I did that with my Knuckles it would [ __ ] hurt oh and plus you know you you can so easily break your hand my my uh ma my Jiu-Jitsu Master hon Gracie was a renowned Street Fighter in his own right and he used to practice open hand techniques all the time he used to he call it slap in the bag so to speak and he he he always uh taught us not to use closed fist in any type of realistic confrontation open hand strikes are quite effective for self-defense yeah you could certainly [ __ ] somebody up the best example of that is boss Rootin boss Rootin and ponre and pancre what am I making up names pancreas boss figured out boss has like really flexible wrists in some way and he figured out how to pull his hands his hands go like you see how my hand like if I was striking my hand goes out it's like sort of like not even 90° not quite bosses would go way back like this I don't know how the hell he did it where he stretched his wrists out probably did but when he was striking he was doing boxing techniques whereas in pancreas everybody else was kind of slapping and Swinging boss was throwing straight Palm strikes and palm hooks so he was throwing them in a very traditional boxing way and knocking guy senseless iron Palm technique yeah incredible power behind his straight right palm technique you know he was a great puncher so he just pulled his hands back and threw punches but threw punches with his palm and was able to really they that was the thing about pancreas is like you know that they were were not allowed to use closed fists on the ground they were used him to the body but they were not allowed to use them on the face standing up or on the ground so everything had to be these kind of slaps but boss just threw the whole [ __ ] system out of whack because he would just Crush guys with that Palm Hill and he's another guy that's in some serious pain right now he's got a one atrophied arm his arm is shriveled up and he's going through all these different treatments to try to regenerate the nerves and the tissue in his in his arm it's real sad and I mean there's a health no one ever said that these sports are healthy you know you do it cuz you love it there's something inside you that makes you want to do it but uh you know I mean truth be known
grappling is something you can do pretty well in an advanced age yeah well alio was like 90 and he still grapping mid 90s yeah he was like 95 96 what was he like rolling around you rolled around with him right when he was he was that old he was amazing he liked to lie there and like you try to do stuff to him he loved the play play that game and it was like he could read your mind he already knew what you wanted to do before you even did it but he moved well he Well w he moved really really well he had hurt his knee jumping off the back of a truck and uh yeah so he he was a little stiff in his knee but he was pretty mobile guy even in his 90s it was amazing how well he moved around what do you think about like there's there's techniques today that you're seeing in jiujitsu in MMA the all these Jiu-Jitsu techniques that um were not in the original systems there's all these new found movements that some guys just don't want to adapt they don't want to incorporate them into their uh their strategy uh into their game you know what do what do you think about that I I find that to be incredibly weird because Jiu-Jitsu itself was like this new thing these new effective techniques that the folks that were originally learning them didn't know you know alio Gracie Carlos Gracie they take these techniques they modify them they make them even better so they essentially have this completely new system they brought it to America like especially in 1993 when the UFC came along that's what the whole thing was about it was about these new techniques that people couldn't defend against because they weren't aware of them but now they don't incorporate new techniques into this system and the idea that it's perfect as is and that it can't be improved upon I think that's a little shortsighted and a little weird considering how the system started in the first place well you have to think of it like this Combat versus sport really show fighting versus sport fighting the rules will dictate the techniques just like ta kwondo at one time it was a fairly formidable Marshal art but because once it became an Olympic sport it just became so stylized that Taekwondo almost became useless as a martial art take Judo for example the original Judo was basically identical to jiujitsu but once it became an Olympic
sport and people started practicing it within the rules they became more and more stylized to the point where Judah lost any semblance of being a real martial art that you could use for self-defense so I think what the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu practitioners are saying is we don't want to take some of these new found techniques and incorporate it in our style because this is for sport only this is stuff that you would only do in the sport itself and that we want to stay with the more traditional combat oriented techniques that have been tried true and proven for for many many centuries really if you think about it that being said my my son said something to me because I I was kind of ragging on 50/50 and baron bolo and he says yeah but pop if you don't know this stuff you're going to get your ass handed to you by some guy that does so it's best to be familiar with all of the stuff so I thought that made an interesting point but you know when it comes to UFC I mean obviously you're not going to be him bolo somebody you're going to get your lights bunched out or you know I'm not going to jump guard in the parking lot out here if some guy would give me a hard time right but if you do wind up scrambling you fall on the ground the guy's on top of you the guard does work in a street fight oh hell yeah man I've had I can't tell you how many students in Philadelphia uh I I myself had a few scrapes and boy it worked beautifully but once again we're not finding trained Fighters yes you we're not entering into a contract to put on a show and to fight each other right you I mean by that logic like the guard you would never use the guard in the street like why would you use the guard in the street the guard seems like something that you would use in a sport only I mean you're on your back why would you ever put yourself in that position only because a guy puts you there exactly because you have no choice in that in that respect then the 50/50 which is for folks who don't know it's almost like uh two guys going for heel hooks at the same time the sort of interlocked leg position if you're in a situation where somehow or another in a mad scramble you wind up with a guy like that boy a heel hook in the [ __ ] Street would be absolutely devastating well the guy wouldn't get up and chase you you could just walk away
and he'd be laying there oh you the heel hook is one of the worst techniques ever as far as the going from like not feeling any pain to irreparable damage or damage that you're going to have to get surgery for it's like that like the difference you don't have play like you have a little bit of play in an arm bar like here you're okay here you're like [ __ ] I might have to tap all right I'm tapping with a heel hook by the time it gets the up things are ripping apart things of the injury because you don't have uh the sensory nerves aren't well developed the the heel the the leg a lot of the leg locks were were originally Russian SBO really yeah they they were very highly developed by the the the Russian [ __ ] was they they had their own grappling style and the the Gracies actually learned a lot of these techniques and took took the sombo and embraced it and put it as part of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu the madas did an awful lot of that too they studied [ __ ] they competed I actually saw a couple early Gracie videos of Hixon and Jean Jac and Higgin competing in SBO tournaments in California and uh yeah it's real interesting this Russian guy beat both he beat two machados and then met Hixon in the finals and Hixon beat the guy in in in the finals interesting yeah it was real real really good this Russian guy is pretty good what's his name oh man I don't know this this years ago I saw this video it's an old footage that I saw in Horan's office but at any rate uh they were made they were a military technique if you maimed a soldier named him then it would take at least two comrades to take out so now you've put three people out of the picture oh so they would rip apart the knees yeah so now the guy is all maimed and so now it takes at least two buddies to help get the guy back so you put three people out of the fight with one maming that's it's you know it's when oh here it is is this uh this might be it is that Hixon that's John jacqu that's John Jac there was a blonde Russian dude that was kicking everyone's ass in this one JJ tournament oh yeah they're going after leg locks oh yeah the sowas are devastating with his freaking legs man yeah that's remember o took off that's John Jack though that that just did that John jock in the blue I remember Hixon
was wearing this you remember the colorful shorts he was wearing the one the one the one tournament that I saw there was a blonde Russian guy that was pretty much kicking everyone's ass and then uh Hixon was wearing those uh multicolored shorts that he was famous for on that beach in u the beach fighting Rio when he fought Yugo dwarte yeah that's H this is hegan hean in his day was a bad [ __ ] oh my God he still is probably yeah I haven't seen him lately he's a big guy now but yeah that's interesting that is very interesting do how familiar are you with Prolo therapy I don't know much about it um or maybe I know it by another name proliferation therapy Prolotherapy is uh they inject this glut glucose solution into uh joints into into ligaments and it actually thickens the ligaments that's interesting cuz I I have read a lot about the hydronic acid that they inject into joints for osteoarthritis and and so forth I think that yeah it works on a similar way I think to uh kind of hydrate the the connected tissue in there oh okay um what I was uh bringing it up is cu I knew a dude who uh used to get it done even though he didn't have injuries he would get it done on his elbows and his knees just to thicken up and strengthen the the tendons and ligaments just uh for training because apparently it can strengthen it as much as 40% well that's pretty impressive it's very impressive right wow yeah and they would it when you inject it it's really painful I had it done on my knee and I had it done on my wrist it did wonders for my wrist I broke my wrist when I was uh kickboxing like in 19 like 88 or 89 it [ __ ] with me for a long time until I got this Prolotherapy on it and whatever it did it it really right yeah I mean it went away a little bit on its own it got better on its own but it would click all the time and it would just it would ache after I would train for a long time but this Prolotherapy somehow or another by injecting it directly into the ligaments it forces the ligaments to swell and then strengthens them sort of like the hydro now there's stays stay stays thick there's another therapy that a lot of people don't know of but back in the 70s was huge it's the DMSO dimethyl sulfur oxide I'm a big advocate of this stuff
and you can still buy it in some health food stores why' they stop selling that in well the FDA at one point wanted the the big Pharma companies can't make any money on it they can't own The Paton and this is about the time when U all the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs you know like iprof and or Advil or whatever you know was coming into play so they put the kaios in this stuff and got them to ban it and then at some point I guess the ban lifted or whatever and it became popular again but I I remember like hearing like some of my aged ant and uncle was talking about DMSO when I was a kid and wow this stuff works and it works well and uh yeah you put look like for horses right yeah they used to use it as a linament for race horses and you put it topically on the skin and it has this unique property of sinking right through into the connective tissues and it has an amazing anti-inflammatory effect it uh really helps the body uh with its own healing process yeah I remember guys used to use it back in the uh the window days when they would get injuries to their feet like kicking things they kick elbows and stuff like that guys would rub it on their feet their shins things along those lines yeah I I'm using it now I hadn't used it for years but I decided to try it again and I've been putting it on the shoulder that had been bothering me MH and wow I can't believe in just one week how much better the shoulder feels more painfree it's been in a while which makes me wonder why I wasn't doing it early but see when I was doing it before I was still doing the Kell snatches uh and I become a bit of a critic about the cbell snatch as an excise I think it puts an awful lot of trauma on the wrist elbow and shoulder for no good reason you know people say oh the snatch is the pen ultimate lift and K about lifting and all this and that man I can't tell how many people I've seen injur themselves I'm not talking about people using crappy technique right using the technique you know really good technique and still suffering osteoarthritis and and and rheumatoid problems I mean you think about it you take a heavy weight and you continuously throw it over your head continuously over time of course you're going to get repeated trauma what about presses oh presses are fantastic so you
think that what is the about the motion well you're swinging this kabo overhead and it suddenly stops and you get all this this uh loading of the the connector tissues at the top it's like a dead stop you know the the momentum and you know I mean there's always people that can seem to seem to Walt through life doing these type of lifts and so forth skate through it yeah it seems to skate through it but man there's thousands of people that suffer and I think all of the benefits of the snatch can be certainly had in the swing you don't need to to traumatize your shoulders in order to get benefits from from the catch so the swing where it stays horizontal yeah exactly it the momentum just dies out it's all enough it's all hip and butt and hamstrings and lower back and you've you know you've generated the force so you know for I I was really into the snatch thing for a longest time but it was definitely traumatizing my shoulder what other exercise do you think uh maybe should be avoided kettle bell exercise well I'm beginning to think that the windmill with really heavy weights is should be avoided that's really yeah I mean I'm not talking about like just doing it with lighter weights but some of these guys you know they're they're into 40 kilogram K uh kabell that's 90 PBS H what is it like 88 lbs I think mhm that's pretty heavy yeah you don't need to subject your your body if you think about it's like a rotation and a Twist of the spine so you got to be really careful with the when you're loading up these these type of uh flexy bendy postures like that a lot of the overhead squat stuff I mean you know just because you can just CU you can do it doesn't mean you should you know yeah I was going to a guy was saying that uh for shoulder stability that it's a really great one because of the fact that it's got all this twist to it you know that you're well I mean the get up is going to get all that everything the windo does the getup get does even better plus you get the the benefit of moving your body from the ground to standing up and back down and so forth the windmill has a weird sort of hamstring thing going on with it though oh yeah for sure because I get a lot of hamstring soreness when I do heavy
windmills well yeah you're you're lengthening the hamstrings out really good so it's you know quite a severe stretch like a form of loaded stretching or weighted stretching and so forth but I mean if you really if you really wanted to get down to Brass TXS if you're pretty much just doing getups and swings you pretty much have the perfect workout right there you don't need a whole else just get up swings what about presses well presses are always a good thing but I mean you can do presses with anything right you can do handstand push-ups you can do dumbbell barbell but yeah kabell press is a fantastic exercise there's no doubt about it and I think the uh kabell double front squat is a beautiful way to uh squat um the the double front squat yeah where you CL kab bells and you hold it in what's referred to this a rack position and do U squats it's a really user friendly way of doing itat do all my my squats that I do with weights I do them all that way I was using a squat rack but I felt like it's harder to do it this way and I feel like I'm engaging my core more because I'm keeping them in front of me absolutely your posture has to be correct to do it so I just went with all of them and I just do with 270s I just use 27 in my age now I se no reason to load there it is right there to load my spine up with a really really my friend Mike merer yeah who's a strong dude oh my God Mike is ridiculously strong and a vegan anyone that thinks you can't be strong and be a vegan just check out Mike yeah ridiculously strong and vegan for I mean he's you know I mean he's really dedicated to the whole lifestyle of being a vegan very knowledgeable and not even annoying about it no no not at all no he doesn't push his agenda whatsoever no it's great if anything people ask him you know yeah well you're um your website what do you have on there as far as I know that you develop uh you have like people that you train online you develop programs for them do how how does that work and how could someone sign up for that well I I call it my freedom business because I can do it pretty much anywhere in the world that's one reason why I'm able to keep up my nomadic existence because you know as long as I have Wi-Fi I'm good to go I you still have the 62 liter drum or whatever the hell 65 L bag Osprey bag
yeah but my girlfriend's beating me now she just down downsized to a 45 l so damn it since wedn you know you have a a woman traveling with less stuff than a guy that's ridiculous yeah of course I have workout equipment in my bag so oh well there you go abdominal wheel rubber band a suspension device you keep an AB wheel with you out of all the things you can keep with you an AB wheel is that important that you decided to keep that I like it you know I mean it's so light and you know and I use the i i a muli uh task with it the little the little bar that you use for it I use it with my rubber band to do rubber band deadlifts and such oh I see yeah some cool stuff you can do with that with that little handle you you uh you showed me a bunch of stuff that you could do in hotel rooms like you throw a towel over a door and you do chin-ups off the door all you really truly need is just your body weight I just carry this stuff around because I can but maybe I'll dump it and go even more in most like uh like Teresa you know so how do you when you uh develop these programs for someone say I'm I'm Jamie over here who uh likes to exercise if you uh wanted to uh build a program for someone what do you you let them fill out a form how active are you how in shape are you oh yeah I mean first of all I want to make sure that I can help the guy there's no sense of him wasting his time or money or me wasting my time with a guy that I can't help so he sends me a little bio what it is he's interested in it gives me a chance to see if the guy has realistic goals and ideas and if he's like way out there you know maybe he'd be better off going to somebody else but if if he's pretty much in line with what I think I can do as far as helping the guy the next step then is I send him a questionnaire which is extensive lifestyle questionnaire everything from you know your work to you know almost like that arotic test you took you know I I want to know and then he sends me a dial log I want to see what he's putting in his body and then I send a fitness assessment in the meantime he takes three photos non-pos just like in a pair of shorts so I can look at his structure I I particularly need to see the feet and the knees and see how the guy standing his posture you know uh back front side so I need to look at his spine his shoulders look if
there's any structural stuff going on and based on those photos sometimes uh I'll have different Fitness assessments because before I can take him where he thinks he wants to go I got to know where he's at do you watch him do a video do you like make them uh sometimes yeah sometimes but for the most part you know it's unnecessary once he does this fitness assessment I have a really good handle on where he's at and then uh I'll send him a program and then he sends a training log in uh anywhere between once a week to some people like to send something every day you know and they have recovery days active recovery days as long as as well as their workouts a lot of the guys are participating in Jiu-Jitsu some guys are participating in MMA but a lot of the guys are just regular guys businessmen business women Housewives they just want to be healthy how many clients do you have that you do this with right now it's I haven't counted but it's close to 60 I know it's a lot of how do you keep up on that uh a lot of hours a day man how many hours a day do you do that for incredible I don't I don't track it cuz it's different each day some days it's like 6 eight hours other days it's like three or four depends on how many logs to come in but I try to have a turnaround time of never more than 24 hours but it's all you it's just me so you don't ever go on vacation like you don't say hey I'm taking a week off of life no wow but I like it see it's different yeah so your life is kind of a vacation any I'll be like I'm leaving from here uh to Iaria Greece who in the aanc off the coast of turkey beautiful pristine little quiet Island that a lot of people never heard of and uh it's named after the mythological figure Icarus that flew too close to the Sun with his wings and plunged into the ocean yeah his wings melted or something Wings melted well this island uh uh I'm going to be there for uh 3 weeks doing like a lifestyle training camp and the Wi-Fi is a little sketchy but uh I'll be okay so I'll be doing my iPad while looking out at the beautiful blue GNC or you know I was in a highrise in Sydney looking out over the harbor so it's you know it's pretty easy to do your work when you pick really nice places like that so and plus I love doing it so it's not like a a a chore or
anything it's I really enjoy communicating with these people and I you know you almost become friends you you kind of sometimes like I'll meet him at seminars which is always really cool you know to to actually meet the person but you really develop a a closeness and a camaraderie through the through the emails that's interesting um when you go to a place where they speak a different language do you have a translator like how do you how do you I have univer like I I just got back from uh Russia not too long ago I was in Nova beers that's the very heart of Russia remember that guy Alexander Kellin yes he that's where he's from what a scary [ __ ] that guy was yeah bring that guy upand amazing photos of crazy scariest res people would turn themselves over and pin themselves so not to be thrown with his patented gutwrench throw yeah they would be F bellied down and he would get his hands underneath him and take a 250lb man and throw TOS him like he was like like nothing and smash them under the ground so there in Nova beers the Russian experiment he um no one spoke any English whatsoever so I have a universal translator on my iPad and iPhone that I can uh write a question out and then show it in Russian and then hit a button and change the keyboard to Russian and then they can type back in B English so you can communicate with this modern technology that's crazy though but like what if you want to get something to eat or you want to get a room in a hotel or something like that well usually we'll go to some usually hotel personnel do someone there speaks English mhm it's that's one of the nice things about being a US citizen I mean there's a lot of things I don't like about this country but it's still a superpower and it's still you know the the country so to speak so most people speak English in these in these hotels because tourism is a real big thing for a lot of these places that's so fascinating that you do that you go from one place to another like that with no stops like you PR much because you're living out of this 65 liter bag everything on own you don't really have a place where you're like well we're done work we're going to just hang out at home for a few days you don't there is no home everywhere I'm at is home do
you foresee that for the rest of your life I mean you're 62 now is that what you are uh 61 61 sorry to one and a half give you an extra year there 61 and a half like a kid yeah like a kid um do you do you foresee living the rest of your life like that yeah I mean I enjoy it that much I mean it's really nice not to be tied down once you get that that roaming spirit it's I I can't even imagine just settling down but what about your body I mean you're you're essentially teaching people health and physical fitness how long do you think you'll be able to do that for at 61 years old that's a very unusual for someone to be teaching people how to lift weights and exercise and I mean I've seen some of this [ __ ] that you've done somebody posted a video of you working out with those guys that do the uh playground workouts which is incredible those guys like a year ago man that was the guys are so fit I mean it's it's amazing watching some of those uh playground workouts that those guys do the urban gymnastics yeah they have no legs though you ever noticed that little skinny ass [ __ ] topick legs well the other thing too A lot of these guys are hurting a lot they well the stunts you know it puts a lot of stress in your body it's not necessarily the uh kind of thing that you'd want to do but I mean it's amazing how these guys I mean essentially they're just doing this for their own fun right I mean they're not paid for this absolutely look at that that is incredible that's a strong dude huh that that guy can put his legs up there in the air what do they do for their lower body though there's so much upper body stuff in all these exercises you very rarely see them doing lower body stuff I didn't get a chance to actually see it you know what they did for the lower body but uh I mean for sure what they do is pretty amazing but might not be the best way to go for especially people over 40 because the joint trauma you know because remember there's a difference between working for strength and demonstrating strength and doing Feats and stunts versus just regular exercise right and stunts and Feats take its toll over time you know like Olympic lifting power lifting those guys are pretty buned up by the time they get to their 40s or 50s so you consider what those guys are doing with
this playground workout stunt yeah I mean the whole thing is built towards developing these tricks right to show them like that's incredible yeah the the ability to hold your legs up like that like folks don't know what kind of course strength that requires that requires incredible amount like doing that stripper thing where you're on the pole yeah I mean it's no joke these guys are incredibly fit for that they they truly are that's amazing these flags are just like wow it's so hard to do it's really hard to do but the torque and the pressure on your shoulders yeah incredible look at you not bad for old guy not bad at all not quite as high as that guy was but amazing that you never did this before and here doing that nah I never done any of this stuff you know most most my training was all geared towards uh trying to make myself a better wrestler and or a better jiu-jitsu fighter so it's a slightly different Energy System and a whole different emphasis with the workout so that's incredible that these guys have developed a sort of uh way to work out on these playground workouts that has gone worldwide I mean there's so many of these people that oh yeah there's bar stars and then there's when I was in Australia was the uh what was it the the bars Beast Down in Bondi Beach these Australian guys that you know so and every country especially the poorer countries you know most these outdoor playgrounds and gyms are pretty available to a lot of these guys whereas they couldn't even afford a regular commercial gym right when I was in Russia I was really uh pleasantly surprised you could find a pullup bar and dip bar everywhere not for kids for adults and you'd see people using them I mean just all over the place like these look at this guy Jesus dip bars and pull up bars and all that kind of stuff that's incredible that's pretty incred incredible stuff is it yeah this is amazing look at this guy's hanging on this other guy yeah some of these guys are crazy strong yeah but in a lot of these Eastern BL countries that you know they they don't have a lot to do you know and they're not big guys like you're looking at them thin wiy lean but you know body weight training has a way of uh kind of I mean obviously different physique types are going to be attracted
to different activities yeah a lot of times you know people have this mistaken notion that if I do this I'm going to look like this in reality the physique type has success at a particular activity and then stays with it right for example women often like uh want to do dance because they want to look like a dancer but if you don't have that proportionate dancers type body to begin with you'll never be successful at dance right like if you're short and squat you have big thick legs exactly I don't care how much dance you do you're never going to develop the long lean lines of a a dancer and the same thing with the urban gymnastics you know really big boned big heavy legs they're never going to be successful that type of activity no matter what they do just as they wouldn't be able to do what the football player does isn't that also a case for guys uh that want to compete in MMA like those big bulky football player type dudes they're never going to be able to have good endurance it's going to be really hard for those guys you know because they you know they're kind of like just naturally fast ttch guys with a low anerobic endurance levels and no matter how much they train for endurance they're always going to be lacking in that particular Department you know different the cool thing about combat martial arts though uh and combat sport there's a whole array of physique types that seem to do pretty well you have like little fire plug guys that do pretty good whoar p harz and then tall kind of guys yeah exactly that do well so you find like what's good for your you start to develop a style for your particular physique type and all that which makes combat martial arts different than any other sport in the planet because you won't find a big rare physiques playing NBA basketball for example they're all tall guy occasionally you see a little guy but rare you only see huge behemoths playing NFL football once in a while you might have some little guy but he's like one in Millions you know what I mean they could make it so it it's the sport attracts the physique type these people are good at it because they have the body that does well with that particular activity it's interesting when you see a guy who uh was an elite football player or something like that get into MMA
their bodies change they they slim down they become a little little they're still big and bulky they become a little bit smaller the guy who's freaked me out the most is herel Walker that was pretty amazing wasn't it because he was like 47 or something when he started fighting at all man yeah and just yoked huge at 47 shredded six-pack and just throwing guys around and training at AKA I mean wasn't look at that that's him at like 48 years old fighting in Strike Force that's pretty remarkable isn't it what a super athlete that guy was wouldn't have been incredible to see him as a 20 something year old competing in the UFC for sure boy he was guys with his genetic propensity for size and strength and endurance and explosivity they would probably wouldn't be drawn to mixed martial arts because of the money factor I he's going to make like 10 times the money playing NFL football probably but he probably could have made that kind of money look at the [ __ ] size of that guy 48 years old he could have probably made that kind of money doing anything cuz he's just so he would have been so dominant he would been successful in almost any sport you you are you do have a point there how does a guy stay that big look at the size of him at 48 years of age without lifting weights because that's what he always claimed he always claimed that everything he did was body weight do you think that's [ __ ] you know I just don't know I I I I really couldn't contest that one way or another uh but because a lot of people have called [ __ ] on him there's no doubt that body weight training can make you pretty pretty muscular and oh yeah those bar Stars guys L they pretty yoked up man look at that that's him when he was younger that's a good picture thank you Jamie perfect picture how the [ __ ] does that guy become that other guy show that other picture again how the [ __ ] do are those two one is the young guy and one's the old guy well You' almost have to start suspecting some type of enhancement therapy would you not just go back to that other picture Jamie the picture of him swole up and come on son one is when he's young and one is when he's 48 a new tab and go back and forth between the two photos MMA does not uh build that type of physique I'm sorry well he's doing
obviously he's doing some sort of body weight conditioning strength condition I mean there's no doubt he works really hard yeah but the other thing about Hershel Walker that's really crazy is he said he eats like a bowl of soup and a salad every day and that's it yeah it's hard to hard to understand double hard to believe but maybe I mean I knew I knew a guy that only slept hours a night who Dr Ken lner look at the two these two pictures look at that one and then look at the other one Jamie you know how to do tabs you [ __ ] too big can't you just go back and forth look at that what the [ __ ] man Jesus that's when he's young and here's when he's older I'm I'm confused I get super confused I mean that looks like a guy who probably doesn't actually wait how old is he in that picture right there 1982 that's crazy so he's he now well he might not have been to his true man strength and so forth at that age too well he's got some [ __ ] man strength going on right there yeah don't he know jeez and they say you know go he would go to AKA he works out with the team works out with everybody amazing I don't know why he's not doing it anymore well maybe he started having some joint problems and they you know there there is a reason why there's a due date in cheese you know I found that out a few times you know that's a good way of putting it you can't uh you can't outrun far time he's so big at 48 with no body weight or no uh weightlifting it seems like to be that big you'd have to throw some weights around you would think yeah I mean I've never seen anyone with that type of musculature that just did it on body weight training but that's not to say that maybe maybe he's an exception to the rule he just might be that type of U you know have that type of genetics you know yeah that is the other thing too so some folk Larry is doing some U body weight exercises looks damn good even there yeah he's obviously he's not quite as ripped as he was back in the day but he looks freaking phenomenal D was a super athlete I mean that's the thing about football is that they get the big super athletes the really big strong guys they get the biggest strongest fastest athletes pretty much go NFL in this in this country they can
make so much money I mean that's just well I mean yeah that's where that's where the money is I mean NBA guys are pretty big too but they're taller and more rangy you know but the real power guys are just look at him running Sprints Jesus Christ that's not a sprinter the size of him that's a goddamn water buffalo but for sure you know I I've seen guys build tremendous physiques just with body weight training yeah one of my all-time favorites was this guy Woody Strode he was the black Gladiator in the original Sparticus opposite Kirk Douglas oh wow bring bring up Woody stro he was how he spell his last name s r o d e Strode he was one of the original body weight trainers uhuh and uh a lot of people don't realize but that fight scene in the original spartus was one of the most dangerous fight scenes ever filmed they actually fought with real weapons and they had trained for three months according to Kirk Douglas's biography they had trained for three months with those weapons in order to put on that fight scene and Strow just had a magnificent physique man that's terrifying they use real weapons movie scene yeah and they did the fight and they had rear that imagine three months now of rehearsing and U Str was a a u also a uh stunt man wow and that scene where he jumps up to uh remember he defies the the the uh the Roman patrici I don't remember who ordered spartic because his death and uh stro runs up and grabs the wall and pulls himself up he says he's probably the only stunt guy in Hollywood they could have pulled that off at that time it's like a 10-ft wall he jumps up there and grabs it with his fingers and does like this kind of like almost like a muscle up like he's trying to get this guy wow because he's defying Rome you know he refuses to kill the character of spartus cool movie Man Kirk Douglas was in pretty good shape back then too yeah Kirk he did his uh training he was training with Wy at the time doing the body weight training do you work out uh with any other athletes at any other sports besides uh MMA guys I know you've uh you know you've trained quite a few MMA guys Diego Sanchez you trained him influence for his uh BJ pen fight but what about other athletes and other sports I've trained uh uh a couple NFL guys uh David akres that used to be the
famous field goal kicker he used to come and do Jiu-Jitsu with us as well as do some conditioning work didn't you have an issue with him where he was kicking with one leg all the time because so he was developing problems he he he had a chronic hamstring pulls on his non-kicking leg which was his right leg was his non-kicking leg he was a left foot kicker MH and uh so at my suggestion I said hey why not balance yourself out you're kicking like 50 kicks a day which is a lot of kicks but you're not doing anything for the other side yeah so start kicking with the other side and lo and behold hamstring problems disappeared well I wanted to ask you about that because I'm getting into archery and I've got this bow and it's 90 pounds that's a pretty hefty bow I'm pulling 90 lbs all the time with my right arm is this a compound bow with the pulling system yeah wow I should probably get a 90 lb bow for my left arm too well what I would do is just hold the bow and just do some rows with it can't can't can't can't grab it with your other hand it's the way it's I'll show you I'll show you afterwards well then get get yourself like a chest expander is that good enough yeah what about row I've been doing rows yeah you could do rows I do 10 or 15 rows you would want a similar movement pattern right well I do it like that I I do it like this so you holding it with your right hand or your left hand I hold the bow with my left pull my right okay so take a chest expander like the old school rubber chest expanders and just start pulling just to balance yourself up okay yeah you know worked a fairly well-known baseball player by the name of David Bill I've been working his wife out for a couple years I didn't even realize that she was married to a Philadelphia Philly and then one day she says hey man my husband's having some serious problems he's in pain a lot and i' like you to take a look at him so David comes up and I ask him hey how many times a week do you throw a baseball with your right hand and he looked at me like thousands of reps and I I just I just simply said what are you doing for your opposite side and he looked at me like wow I never thought about that and I'm thinking well for sure baseball got to have some top trainers right wouldn't you think that
one of those guys would have figured that out that if you have a guy throwing thousands and thousands of balls with your one side wouldn't it make sense to do something with your left they don't want to look like a girl you throw with your left you look like well I gave him one of those little clubs you know a little Indian club what's that about to cut off oh we're running out of time oh my God [ __ ] we did three hours holy [ __ ] I got your uh look go to Maxwell sc.com how much time we got left 10 seconds 10 seconds it's over uh thanks to our sponsor this [ __ ] thing is over Steve Maxwell you're awesome fantastic podcast always again we ran out of time see you guys later bye everybody for folks uh still listening the audio uh thanks to Ting go to rogan.com and uh save yourself some money and also for Steve all of June he's going to be in Germany Frankfort Frankfurt cologne Munich all of July in the UK edinb London Stockport Lan lancastershire Lancashire how do you spell that Lancashire Lancashire August 1st 2 and 3D uh revgear University revgear university.com uh presenting kettle bell and Medicine bell medicine ball courses and uh thanks to Black Belt soap um that's your uh your buddy's company right yeah got Mai Maui black Bel soap okay uh and Maxwell scc.com is the website that I've been looking to the whole time that we've been talking to you fantastic website lot of interesting stuff there and people could sign up there and go and get your online course and become one of the 60 people that uh you have to handle every day godamn there's a lot of people to deal with that's awesome though thanks again man time flew by let's do it again do it again next time you're back in town for thanks M all right thanks everybody uh we'll see you soon the uh this [ __ ] podcast is over good night [Music] [Music]