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check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day hey man come on up to the microphone fella thanks for doing this I really appreciate it it's awesome to be here thanks for having me on awesome to have you you got a a killer YouTube page man and um you know I love when I can find out about a YouTube page like if you go to some of your videos and you know you're like well what is this video and you go holy [ __ ] this video's got 726 th000 hits other ones have millions what this one what if the Earth stops spinning 4,285 279 hits which is just a testament to how fascinating these videos are and how interesting and and I think it's really cool that's something that's educational and something that people can learn from and it's it's you're you're getting incredibly popular because of this isn't that amazing like four four million people wanted to learn about how the Earth spun and what would happen if it didn't it's not going to stop spinning but the physics behind uh what if the Earth stops spinning or fascinating and it makes you think about the world and sort of appreciate the things you don't even think about way more yeah the physics of the spitting Earth it's very bizarre when you stop to think that the idea all planets are constantly spinning in this weird way around a giant sun and there outer planets and they're all spinning and like that that's something that you don't think about on a day-to-day B day-to-day basis you just you know just walk around and go to the mall and drive in your car you don't think about the fact you're on a th miles an hour in a circle at all times right and then on top of that the sun is revolving around the center of the Galaxy even faster and our galaxy is going around the center of a super cluster even faster in fact I think in the years oh man either in the year 1600 or 600 I don't remember Earth was a lightyear away from where it is now relative to the center of the Galaxy holy [ __ ] it's traveled a lightyear in that that amount of time it's either it's either I think it's 1400 years that's how long it takes the earth to travel a lightyear just by spinning around with the sun where are we going
around yeah in hundreds and hundreds of Millions years will be back we'll be back in the same spot relative to the center of the Galaxy but the Galaxy will have moved right there is no absolute reference frame so the universe is expanding yeah yeah that's the other thing is there's maybe more than one Universe yeah that could explain some of the the you know things we still don't know yet there could be parallel universes where every other version of things happen and that would EXP explain things like why we happen to see the universe that we see now why this one um yeah yeah it's when you know it's it's almost kind of Stoner talk because it's one of those things like man try to wrap your head around that man but it is a fascinating concept that that we are in this essentially infinite Universe I mean they've tried to put di dimensions on the universe itself like there's There's an actual beginning and end to the universe itself but the infinity comes from the concept that inside every black hole is potentially another universe that every galaxy has a super massive black hole it's 1 half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy and that inside that black hole it's very possible that there's a whole another Universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies each with black holes inside of them each with new universes inside of them and that this fractal thing goes on and on and on and on and there's literally no end yeah and I don't know about black holes but the universe itself we give it a dimension we give it like a circumference or a diameter but that's just the observable universe we don't really know what's beyond what we can see and it could go on infinitely it could also wrap back on itself and be sort of infinite in one way in one sense but actually you know if you go far enough out you curve around like an ant on a globe that ant can just keep walking Forward Forever he'll eventually return to where he came from but he's never going to like reach a wall an edge right we think that's how our universe works is it wrapping back around itself well probably not we've been able to look really far away and we don't see any evidence of things converging as if it's curving yeah like we're we're 3D
creatures on this 4D shape that wraps back around on itself yeah the idea of the the universe having a finite amount of distance it's confusing as hell because then what's outside of the universe well nothing nothing so if it's finite then like where what's it sitting in right exactly that's it's hard to wrap your head around and and it does sound like Stoner talk but it's also cosmology talk I mean it's like real science well real science is Stoner talk if you really get down to it if you ask enough questions it gets down to dude you're blowing my mind and it's like no that really is just the way this pen stays on the table is incredible yeah the Earth is spinning and the mass of the earth is pulling everything down towards it and the more mass it has the heavier it'll be and the more it'll stick like what yeah the subatomic level then Things become magic yeah and it's so sad that we're never going to see an atom they're too small like they're smaller than the wavelengths needed for us to like see them so we're never going to just be able to look at one I don't think it makes any sense to ask what color an atom is they're beyond color they're just too small for it too small for color yeah is it too small for our perceptions of what color are color is or is it just they really are too small to trap light the way Color Works doesn't apply to atoms individually so even if we built like a super cool machine that that tried to be better than our eyes it there's no color to see acting together atams can have a color obviously would it be clear if there's no color how would you observe it like what would you see would you see like Wonder Woman's plane uh remember Wonder Woman's plane was invisible it was invisible yeah yeah had a lot of Windows just didn't make any sense like who the [ __ ] is she flying around with Wonder Woman didn't have just like a fighter jet she had it looked really corny yeah she had she was like an economy yeah uh no but but that's the thing there is there's no answer we don't know we not not that we don't know we just know know that that doesn't apply and if that's the case okay if if we can't see
atoms how do we know so much about subatomic particles like what are we seeing when we're observing right right we're we're not seeing them like I see you we're seeing their effects for instance in a cloud chamber we can see individual particles because they interact with uh uh gas in the chamber and cause trails and we can follow the trail and photograph it and study it and say wow look how it moved because of its uh spin or because of its you know the mass that we were able to detect it was probably a electron or whatever right but we can't look at it and say oh dude that was the same electron that I saw yesterday you know but if that's the case how do they what when they're measuring things like particles in superp position which means a particle that is moving and still at the same time like how are they doing that look this is beyond my purview clearly it's something that I'd love to learn more about but I I think that it's not so much that we see both we're just like the only way to explain the way it behaves is that it was doing both before we made the measurement do you think that they'll one day have more accurate measuring and they like oh my God we were so wrong that's possible yeah it's more than one thing yeah there's a famous quote about science being a graveyard of dead ideas right things we like oh obviously the Earth is the center it it seems that way and then someone goes actually that does create a problem doesn't it with Educators because if someone's been basing their entire life and their career writing books teaching a certain principle that turns out to be completely and totally incorrect at one point in time when new understanding come about what you know that that that runs into human areas ego and weirdness when it comes to uh what people are willing to uh to accept and not willing to sure but the the point is not the the facts it's the procedure the scientific method you know thinking scientifically and always basing these these um you know theories on things that we can experimentally test right that's what matters and and if you can devise better and better tests you can learn more and more and be more and more sure of theories but you should always be more excited about conquering ignorance than
just like holding on to the the fact that you particularly like or made up yeah most certainly you certainly should be but uh it is uh it's got to be a real pain in the ass if you've spent your entire career teaching something writing books on something and it turns out to be incorrect but that that sort of comes with the territory right I know and i' I actually I really want to do an episode at some point on like crazy things that people believed that you would consider super smart like DH Lawrence the author he totally believed that the moon created light and refused to be convinced otherwise H right right uh not not because he was insane but because it was just like we hadn't Advanced science enough right his Science Education was not great enough for him to go oh it's reflecting from the sun right uh there I'm sure there's all kinds of things like that like William shakespare what did he know he didn't know anything about black holes right right like he knew less about black holes than the dumbest person listening to this show right now you know yeah right no kidding yeah it's it's really bizarre when you think about the fact that people had not only do they have like just a rudimentary understanding of the earth and its position in the Stars in the universe but with that rudimentary information they were able to circumnavigate the globe yeah they were able to use those seant and those like look at the stars and measure distances and figure out where they were based on constellations and go on the ocean in a [ __ ] wooden floaty thing and just use the wind to take them around a different dirt patches for years yeah hundreds and thousands of years imagine landing on a place where no one had been before before and you're just like well I hope we packed enough food do you ever listen to Radio Lab oh yeah it's great great podcast they an amazing piece on the Galapagos Island recently um and it's uh where Darwin sort of uh landed and partially where he formed his his theories about Evolution and because it's such a just incredibly rich with diversity and different kinds of life but what they were talking about that's really amazing in this is how little we understand about life and life's changes
and they're they're seeing Life Changes right now they're seeing like the evolution of this new uh Finch this some some new bird is forming because there a larger Finch that's dying off and the medium Finch and the smaller Finch are breeding and they're creating this new Finch and it's it's just unbelievably fascinating to think that all this is like our point of reference is you know a thousand a couple thousand years of people writing [ __ ] down and it's in the greater spectrum of life on Earth it's nothing it's nothing I was thinking the other day about uh recorded audio and how uh briefly Earth and Humanity have been able to record audio Yeah uh and that brings up questions like what did George Washington sound like yeah right did he have a British accent well they say that British accents actually didn't evolve until much later and that the people that were in England in fact had a different ACC ENT in like the 1600s than they have today yeah that's true and I think you know you find the right experts they can perform for you these different accents not be not by uh the fact that they've listened to recordings they haven't there aren't any but they can look at how words have changed over time and they can look at how spellings have changed over time and come to a pretty good I a pretty good conclusion about what a guy who lived in England in the the year 600 sounded like God what's really trippy is when they go to dead languages yeah and they try to recreate the sound of like ancient Sumerian oh wow yeah I hadn't thought of that yeah they're trying to figure out what it would sound like to hear like Gilgamesh talk right you know they they they have this sort of bizarre understanding I don't I don't really get it I don't know how they could pull that out since nobody speaks it anymore I don't know how they ever figured it out anyway if you ever look at C form how they used to write back then it's like a bunch of nails like nails upwards and like old school nails like I used to do construction when I lived in Boston and a lot of the buildings you would come across were really really old like they were from the 1800s and they used to the nails that they had back then were essentially handmade nails they weren't the nails that we see today with like the circular top and the smooth uh
cylinder below it the smooth Spike below it they were like you know kind of like Wes yeah wedges and they were like crude and weird looking that's what unform looks like a bunch of C crude little wedges up and down and sideways and they they they figured out how what that means what they were saying essentially with debate you know of course but they also are figuring out like what it sounded like when they were talking that's weird I I get the I get the translation thing uh the the Rosetta Stone for instance really helped us go oh thank goodness they wrote the same thing three different languages and we know one of them or two of them uh I I don't know um I have a lot of respect for people that can do that oh yeah well it's also it's got to be maddening there's a um National Geographic I think it's yeah I'm pretty sure it's National Geographic special called uh decoding the Maya uh it's all about Mayan language and trying to and how difficult that is another dead language essentially but a dead language that's in hieroglyphic form so images that mean sounds you know so like um McKenna described it best like you would have like an eyeball a saw like that cuts wood you'd have an ant like the bug and a flower like the rose and that's how you would say I saw Aunt Rose okay yeah that's clever yeah but that's that's you know that's how their language evolved like our idea of I mean is that that that would be ridiculous like what the [ __ ] don't you have letters like can't you say Steve where's Bob and Mike but in their culture you know that's what started and that's where it evolved that's it grew out of that and is that going to happen to English someday I don't know what's going to happen to English someday but I you know me and my friends were sitting around the other day and we were talking about the idea of everything being on hard drives yeah and how bizarre that is that if anything happened and for whatever reason you know uh a good percentage of the population died and everybody that was left was computer illiterate how long would it take before we lost everything that anybody ever figured out I mean there wouldn't be much left Unless somehow or another genetically that information is stored or the revelations
or somehow or another if there's a large enough segment of the population but if not that shit's gone we have to leave instructions like here's how to play this Blu-ray yeah it contains information and history of Earth well that's a thought that people like Graham Hancock have when they stumble across these you know gigantic monoliths that nobody can explain like balbec and Lebanon and of course the this the pyramids and Egypt and all these just bizarre massive Stone constructions that we're not exactly sure how they put together I mean still to this day they look at the Great Pyramid and they just go well they maybe we think that they kind of so maybe they I don't know and they were made so long ago yeah they weren't they're not like ancient Roman style uh oldness it's way older than that yeah I I I did a video on uh putting history in perspective and I mentioned that the ancient um Egyptian pyramids were as old to the ancient Romans as the ancient Romans are to us yeah there were there were wooling mammoths still alive when the pyramids were built in Egypt yeah is that true that's true yeah on wringle island yeah well I thought Willie Mammoth died out 10,000 years ago I don't I don't know when they died out or how we know they died out of the plyto scene right didn't they I think Willie Mammoth were part of the Great Extinction event that they think is connected to uh asteroidal impacts at least some people do that's one of the theories based interesting yeah yeah all I know is that there were contemporaries the pyramids and woly mammoths and I can't tell you the exact date that uh these all happened M that's amazing you know what's even more trippy is these new discoveries like this um gockley Tey thing that they're finding yeah 12,000 plus years ago that they thought people back then were just Hunter and gatherers and they're finding these gigantic carved stone columns with 3D images of animals that are carved into it meaning like you have a large stone and you cut the stone down but leave enough of a piece of stone that you could carve in a lizard wow so it's super complicated work and that the a lot of these lizards and animals aren't even native to the continent in which turkey is you know we they don't even think that these animals existed in the
spot where this was going on at least the current knowledge is that we don't think they existed there it's very very strange CU they thought people were just hunter gatherers back then and they built these massive like uh concentric circles with 19t high stone columns like they don't even know how the [ __ ] they did it or who did it or what the culture was and it's all new stuff over the last couple decades they found these and they're older to to the ancient Egyptians than the ancient Egyptians are to us wow yeah by almost seven years 7 7,000 Years cuz they're 12,000 so the ancient Egyptians that's 2500 BC they think they built the pyramids so these guys are 12,000 plus that's incredible yeah it's not just incredible but they don't even know really how old it is they just know 12,000 years ago someone intentionally covered it up they've done like carbon dating on the soil and the soil is uniform like the the the date of the soil is uniform which indicates to them I think this is how they do it that someone intentionally covered up this area like maybe like someone conquered these [ __ ] freeks that were building these awesome things like these guys are [ __ ] we need to go back to tents and cover all this crazy [ __ ] up yeah so they filled it all in 12 12,000 years ago 12,000 but humans have been around hundreds of thousands a million I mean yeah it's like I'll never meet those people yeah well and it's also the the just that number it's like just saying a thousand years it's like you try to put that in your head you're like okay but if you could see a a thousand years in a time lapse if you could see it run through a time lapse and then see like seven of those in a row and then see like go Beckley Tey which is seven twice yeah you know and just like just run through how much change much must have taking place on this planet and just one with this one bizarre life form that alters its environment right the only one in in you know in such a grand scale yeah it's crazy trying to decipher that those people like archaeologists trying to piece the pass together that has got to be one of the most fascinating oh I know jobs ever yeah I did I was reading about some of the oldest stuff we' found is all about burial and death but we haven't found so many just like homes like people's day
today lives weren't made to be nearly as permanent death was so much more important than where you spent your entire life yeah especially when they didn't real I mean not that we understand what happens when people die today we just know they definitely die but we you know we don't we're still it's a lot of guesswork about what the process is of shutting off the soul if there is a soul whatever that life spark is that the Consciousness where it goes does it go to the same place it goes when you're dreaming you know like what what exactly happens but back then 50% mortality rate for children if you were lucky you know everybody's getting eaten by animals and like yeah yeah I think I was reading in Jared Diamond's book um that Germs and Steel Guns Germs and no his newer one uh he was talking or or wait was that right shoot I think so yeah anyway uh he was talking about how there are there are tribes that don't believe you're actually human until you're much older than a baby like babies are just kind of like almost have souls but not yet so if a baby dies it's like wow yeah it hasn't been initiated yet or if you have too many kids you can just kill them because they're they're they're just like not like Mir cats do yeah maybe right right you just sit there you go wow there's a lot of diversity of of everything on Earth life and ideas well certainly yeah we we're big copycats you know we sort of imitate whatever the hell's going on around us if we have this idea that babies aren't alive yet well look at the horrible things that people are able to justify doing to others just because those others are you know thought to be an enemy or a subhuman because they're the enemy yeah yeah bizarre we're bizarre and is it that and it's it's when you really stop and think about what this bizarre beh these bizarre behavior patterns people have and what what they create like that they create these cultures that vary wildly all human beings all on this planet but you know look at the difference between Palestine and Chicago look at the difference between you know Fillin the blank Liberia and San Francisco look at the difference between London and you know Mongolia it's very strange how much things are different and how much they change
but yet everyone's just a person everyone can inter breed everyone can exchange ideas and once you take someone from that culture and bring them into yours they adopt those ideas if you took a baby from Nigeria brought them into you know whatever Atlanta and and raised him there talk to him 20 years later he's going to have an Atlanta accent he's going to have all the he's probably going to be into you know all the things that young kids are into and video games that young kids are into wearing Theo I mean he will look essentially entirely like an American kid yeah yeah but humans aren't nearly as diverse as like dogs right dogs can come in huge a huge variety of sizes and shapes and colors uh and they can all interbreed right it's all the same species but humans are pretty much all you know we fall within this General Distribution is that true though I I don't know is it see I I want to make it clear that I have way more questions than answers right I ask the questions and try to find answers I don't know I could be wrong it could be like well Michael you know we all just think humans are all pretty similar cuz we know them so well or we are them well a female dwarf a white female dwarf and Shaquille O'Neal could have a baby how is that any different than than a Chihuahua and a Great Dane it's kind of similar the same difference it's kind of similar in a lot of ways they're so different looking Shaquille O'Neal and a a female dwarf yeah they're very I mean assuming that the parts could fit right I mean that's about as far a I mean if you saw those two things and you'd be like oh those are totally different things do you think you would I think so totally different animals yeah well like different species here's a perfect example an eagle can't [ __ ] a pigeon and have a baby you know what I'm saying right so Shaquille O'Neal and a female dwarf is a lot like an eagle and a pigeon uh-huh I think we're going to have to do some experiments with eagles and pigeons I hope oh yeah that's what I meant I meant the eagle that's exactly what I meant well you know that's the argument that the ancient alien guys used to to point to the fact that human beings are genetically engineered because dogs were
essentially genetically engineered by humans yeah yeah so their idea is that this is the proof that humans have been engineered and that there's many versions of us and that you know there's been a bunch of different models that uh were created and that's why we vary so widly as opposed to every other animal that can breed because hybrids in other uh species are usually sterile but hybrids with human beings like if you took Shaquille O'Neal and a white dwarf you would assume that's a hybrid you know You' assume but they're not they're not it's a same race they totally like they're totally compatible as far as the way that you breed with them right right uh I I am being distracted by how much I have to urinate oh go the other day I was thinking about this podcast just started man I know but I was not prepared I I drank a whole one of these and then I had hydrated stay healthy uh and I had a bunch of coffee this morning too but uh I was thinking yesterday this is related how much would you weigh if you never went to the bathroom you'd be dead how quickly it wouldn't take long I what if we had evolved to just not ever have to like a baby after just a month would be bigger than the biggest human ever don't you think I I need to do the math well it depends on would you need to consume like if your body was so efficient that you no longer needed to urinate like we kind of assume that your body would need to urinate but why if your body needs water to stay alive like what is why we assuming that it has to proc it has to get rid of some waste that it doesn't want anymore well why could could we just turn that into more hair instead but why does it have to get rid of waste like isn't it possible that we can become so efficient that we no longer need to get rid of waste and we can just sort of Exist by breathing air right completely just like self yeah we to get to a certain size and once we get to a certain size we just you know whatever you evaporate off by walking around like that you have to take back in right I guess you know yeah cuz like they have you know robots that that just dissipate heat they don't ever make a waste product your laptop doesn't create as much waste as a human but it's also not nearly as is like complex right uh but
in some ways it's more complex they've been able to make machines that can poop you put food in and then it's got bacteria and different pumps and reservoirs inside and it creates something that resembles completely and smells just like a human dump whoa yeah the first one I saw was done as a piece of art as artwork like an artist created this machine that could poop just like a human and uh now they do it uh they call it a robo gut and it's actually a medical thing because when people have gi problems a poop transplant is commonly used to reintroduce the healthy bacteria and taking poop from someone else and giving it to the sick person and shoving it up there is kind of like you know there's a lot of possibilities for rejection infection stuff like that I guess but the robo gut can make just perfectly clean poop just with the kind that you want whoa yeah get some artificial poop put up inside of you to fix any imbalances that you have in your gut Flora that's fascinating you can have like a poop Farm of robot intestine right that are just and what do you feed them yeah do you have to like do Burger runs for the robo gut so that they no it's got to be totally organic it's got to be totally organic it's got to probably it's probably just like uh a paste or a liquid like baby food yeah it wouldn't have to taste good the robot's not going to complain yeah [ __ ] that robot just eat it [ __ ] yeah yeah okay so so this is making go to the bathroom go Ur be there's a million subjects so don't worry about it you come back we'll have many many things to talk about and uh congratulations you won the award for the quickest guy to pee almost everybody yeah it's right there on the right hand side almost everybody has a point in time where uh they they they go how this how long does this podcast go um I got you you see that look on their face like uh I think I have to pee um but this dude he made Michael made it to 50 minutes that's not a lot of time time but hey you got to do what you got to do I understand there Shaq yeah sh is that his girlfriend maybe ex-girlfriend oh my God that's hilarious she's like 5 feet tall I think is that his wife I think that's his ex-wife actually which is incredible that he was 7 foot what how tall was he
71150 easily dude I did Fear Factor with him and uh I stand about penis high with him and uh when we were doing it it was like I was with my dad it was like I was with my giant black dad and uh he was standing next to me he did the countdown three two one go Joe is fear a factor for you yeah is fear a factor for you yeah that's a big dude um this guy Michael Stevens uh if you have never heard of him and uh are interested in this conversation his YouTube page is [ __ ] amazing it's really cool and uh it's called tweet sauce or sauce rather tweet sauce is his um his uh Twitter page and he's back I'm back I'm I'm I'm thinking he's going to have to pee one more time for do you think so I think I'm going to be fine I basically when I heard uh that you couldn't just cut it out like my PE break I got really nervous and I all of a sudden had to pee and to be fair there was it was a very voluminous urination like it wasn't um a nervous one it was a real one you might be the first guy I've ever heard use voluminous when it comes to urination oh I use it all the time no uh I do get concerned I'm like am I peeing enough cuz I've said I've I've peed um next to other guys like you know um in different urals right and I can tell that like they're going a lot longer than me and the sound that it's making is just so much like the flow is so strong and it must contain so many just gallons of and I'm like do you just hold it longer is your bladder bigger than mine I'm very insecure about how much I pee I feel like it's not impressive well it depends on where you are if you're at a bar those guys are probably drinking beer and if you're drinking beer you're going to pee massive quantities and it's coming out hard and you're probably having a conversation with somebody and you're holding it in for a while and then when you do let it go it's like waterfalls that could be it while I was peeing I did think of something that kind of wraps up the whole first part of this pree conversation and it again goes back to Jared Diamond who said uh he tells a story about um Europeans first meeting a tribe Papu Guinea and of course if you're this tribe and these guys show up using technology and materials you've never seen before and they look very different and they dress
very different you might think that they're Gods that they're a different type of animal um and I think they thought they were Gods until two things happened one the tribe realized that the Europeans pooped and it smelled just like theirs and secondly they could have sex those two things solidified the fact that they were all humans together wow yeah they had different types of weapons they had a different way of speaking and dressing but there were things about them those two things that really made made both sides realize we are the same animal wow yeah can you imagine being someone who lives in some sort of a tribal environment in the middle of the Amazon and all of a sudden a plane lands you know on the water and people come out you like what the [ __ ] is this no one's ever seen another per especially a white person that has got to be akin to an alien invasion oh it is it is and it's it's akin to being visited by a God as well so look up the cargo Cults I don't remember what part of the world they live in but uh during I think during a war airplanes were coming in and out and these tribal people didn't know what they were they they we still don't exactly know what they're thinking or what they were but uh the plane stopped after a while the war was over and to this day they have recreated I'm serious they've recreated using materials that they find around where they live a Runway and all the things that they associate with they built a little airplane out of wood trying to get it to come back yeah yeah Von danin used that as an argument in Chariots of the Gods to explain that uh this is one of the reasons why you know these depictions of uh what could be interpreted as flying saucers and all these different things in modern art that's that's what it is it's like the long lost information passed down generation and generation of at one point in time we were we're visited by something from somewhere else and it sounds that's one of those subjects where as soon as you open up the possibility of that you say like well we maybe we were visited but you like oh just [ __ ] Christ he's one of those guys like it's an immediate reaction I have it it's like when someone starts talking to me about the the possibility of humans being visited and
extraterrestrials coming here manipulating our DNA I'm okay dude all right I got you well that's that's fine but I would like for them to show me experiments they've devised that'll give us evidence for that otherwise it's not falsifiable right I could say dude do you know that there's a blue rhinoceros on some Planet that's billions of years away seriously well there might be yeah there might be there might be we aliens might have created the pyramids right probably not though well they don't I I don't think there's anyone credible that thinks that aliens created the pyramids um but what they do think is that they created people and that they did some sort of a genetic manipulation human beings and when I say credible like credible I mean what does that mean you know there's no evidence whatsoever none none I did this show for it would make fun fiction though it make an awesome movie well that's that the whole base of Prometheus you know that we were somehow another engineer the engineers came down here and that's uh you know when you talk about Sumerian text we were talking about that earlier that was the whole uh premise of uh this guy Zechariah cworth ah work have you ever heard of that guy it sounds very familiar oh he's the king of all those uh people who are into wacky [ __ ] zecharias hens the king okay because he believed that the Sumerian text um if you deciphered it correctly proves that we were engineered by something called the Anunnaki and that the Anunnaki the literal translation of Anunnaki is those from Heaven to Earth came meaning that it was uh the same as the Elohim from the Bible right that you know these these beings came from another planet genetically altered human beings and he points to these various images that were um in uh the Sumerian text and Sumerian uniforms and all these uh different Stone carvings that show what looks like the double helix of DNA um sure sure the caduceus you know the two snakes that are wrapped around the pole that we associate with with medic he interprets that as being uh an an image of the double helix DNA it could be a coincidence too it could be yeah but it does look a lot like it right you know the double helix and the the two snakes wrapped around a pole but the weirdness is the the
pictures of like there's one that shows uh one of these uh Anunnaki with a looks like a person with a tail sitting on his lap uhuh you know and they interpret that as being like this idea that they took subhuman primates and manipulated their DNA adding alien DNA creating it's just incredibly intense and bizarre stuff but what gets me is yeah absolutely ridiculous yeah probably not right most people and there's also a website called sitching is wrong where other other Scholars who have uh studied the uniform and studied the Samaran text completely disagree with his interpretations but if we could travel to another planet and we could do it successfully and we've done it you know for thousands and thousands of years this other planet is you know way the [ __ ] on the other side of the Galaxy and we find some primates I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that we would manipulate their DNA there there are actually protocols already in place not officially adopted by any government but protocols about what do we do if we discover life because we uh most likely would contaminated by trying to observe it I think that there there are even people arguing right now that Mars has been contaminated by The Rovers by The Rovers that have gotten there I mean we we' found I think staff bacteria uh on the moon that had been like in sent to the moon when we visited because we didn't completely sterilize everything so someone touched excuse me someone touched an object the object went to the moon and someone observed that staff being on the object living on the moon wow it wasn't living on the moon but it was just it was transferred there yeah um and so that's a huge problem um well just space junk itself just the idea of the Rover being on Mars I mean if another life form visited Mars landed there and found the Rover they'd be like okay what the [ __ ] is that right and this brings up the whole question of kind of space archaeology or like space preservation so the the um the stuff Neil Armstrong used to like get to the moon and walk around it's all still there right so if we ever start regularly going to the Moon do we set up a museum there do we put fences up around it who owns that Landing site well you're not even supposed to fly
over those sites right didn't they they they made some sort of a ruling that any future space flights should not take place over those sites I didn't hear about that yeah they I think they're worried about people [ __ ] it up you know know I mean look if we if space travel becomes like as easy as at one point in time getting across the country was a [ __ ] heroic event yeah you know I mean when the pilgrims landed and you had a they I was watching this show last night that was um it was all about the wagons that they used to Traverse the land to get from the east coast to the West Coast yeah amazing stuff because you know we have like Leaf SP Springs in certain cars they had them that they had made out of leather like they had concocted these sort of suspensions these adjustable manipul you know so they would move a little bit as they went over rocks and stuff and they had done all this stuff out of leather and it it's just so strange to think that there were people that had put their life and their faith and they had you know some Goods in the back some food and they were hoping to find things to eat along the way but it's going to take you [ __ ] forever yeah now you get in a plane and then I got a I got a um La flight I got a catch um so uh I land at noon I'll call you love you m good night kids M see you yeah Daddy will call you when he lands what you just get in a plane I mean that 200 years ago insanely Preposterous so the idea is one day 200 years from now whatever it is it'll be that easy to get to the moon so they're putting these prot crawls in place like hey don't go there and just steal [ __ ] steal it or yeah take a home with you right right yeah Lucy K has a great joke about that he's like it used to be to go across the United States it took so many years that people died people were born it was a whole different group of people by the time you finally got to your destination this is this is the Louis CK joke and now it's just like get in a plane and yeah yeah you're done and you know when Elon Musk finishes these crazy highspeed rails then it's going to be like an hour oh it's crazy an hour to get to New York from here just just taking off on some crazy magnetic rail system in Virgin Galactic as well right they they'll get into like these suborbital um uh I guess tracks
and uh you can go from here to Australia in just a matter of minutes they they orbit in the International Space Station they orbit around the Earth 17 times a day God so yeah that's so crazy they have 17 sunrises and sunsets every 24-hour period oh my God that's amazing that is amazing that's booking it that is so crazy so it's a little less than every two hours yeah yeah all day fast yeah [ __ ] a and that's just the beginning you know a, years now if we stay alive and don't blow each other up it'll be even easier to do that yeah and people will say man remember back when people used to orbit the earth only 17 times every 24 hours this is another and I don't remember the comedian who told this joke but he's like in the future like everything's going to be so fast it's going to take like two seconds to go everywhere but the DMV man it's going to take 9 seconds and we're all going to hate it that's so true that is it is going to be very strange I think it is very strange now when you you know it used to be if someone showed up on your border no matter where you were it was usually a [ __ ] problem you know if a boat pulled up like very rarely were people just super cool and you know you're not worried about it but today there's a thing called tourism right and it's a huge part of life I mean a huge part of life in in various cultures is people showing up and bringing with them money and uh they you know you welcome them they're part of the economy of the area right it's very strange how just that ability to Traverse distances has changed the way human beings interact with each other and it's also made the idea of countries and nationalities and your loyalty to those countries and nationalities a little bit more ridiculous every year a little bit more ridiculous the the closer we get to this ability to instantaneously travel from one place to another like these borders these self-imposed borders like the border between Mexico and the United States is probably one of the most egregious when you you stop and think about the the the difference in prosperity between like yeah you know Warez and Los Angeles Tijana and San Diego it's like [ __ ] man like that's crazy that a third world country is right there these poor people are
starving to death and we won't let them come across this little imaginary line where everything is one Wonder F and everybody's fat you know yeah yeah uh and people often say like oh but dude when you like look down on the Earth from outer space You Don't See borders but you do the border between India and Pakistan is lit up so brightly you can see it from space what is it like is it like a like their border is it like a fence like is it like the Great Wall of China yeah parts of it parts of it are just I think yeah fenced off militarized lit up and uh I I I've covered a few other borders that you can see from space in the past I'm not remembering them at the moment but it's like we've you can look down from Earth and tell that we don't all get along my friend Ari that you see behind you right there and the or above you that photo um Ari uh just got back from doing a tour of China uhuh and uh he took some photos of himself on the Great Wall yeah and uh I you know i' read that you could see the Great Wall from space apparently you can't but when he he was uh there you know we were talking about the great wall and he was saying how [ __ ] crazy it was so then I started looking up the Great Wall right and it's 5,000 miles long it's a great wall that's not a good wall yeah that really is a great wall that's a funny joke by the way I wonder if there's a a a Wall in China people call the good Wall of China it's all right I mean it's it keeps the ceiling up it's pretty Goodall the bar has been set so high the good wall would have to be a few thousand mil miles you know the good wall would have to be like 2,000 miles right you know what is that picture Jamie P India Pakistan border yeah look at that ISS wow about 2,000 km long it's insane right yeah you could see that border that's legit that's a line it's a highway is what it is this is what it looks like from the ground really wow how fascinating two people look similar live right next door hate each other have nuclear weapons point at each other at all times yeah my friend Shane Smith the uh he runs vice.com he's been to India and Pakistan and he says that is the one place where he's most terrified of a nuclear war breaking out oh for sure oh some Bin Laden was in Pakistan it's it's crazy you know I was just in
uh Mumbai and at the airport a plane came in and it was from Iran Iran Airlines and I'm like wow you don't see that in America yeah they're not allowed to land there but but I actually went over and just watched the people getting off the plane I was like hey fellow humans that I would never run into unless this happened also the fact that um to go from I went from Washington DC to Mumbai uh we flew over Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm like whoa I didn't know we did this and then after what happened in the Ukraine I'm like that's crazy I felt like I was safe up there at 30,000 ft flying over um the Earth but apparently not what exactly has happened do are they sure that these were blown up by missiles and not by bombs positive I haven't been following the story well enough last I heard it was fired from an anti-aircraft um weapon from the ground wow that's so I didn't know they could do that I know 30,000 ft in the air I didn't know they could H that and just a few weeks before that happened I was reading some article I found on dig that was all about uh you know airport security keeps us from bringing things on the planes but the real NE next threat is what people can do to planes from the ground and I was like no way but then you if you go to the In-N-Out Burger that's near that uh that's near LAX there's a great view of the planes coming in and they are close oh yeah well especially when they're taking off yeah that's so true no one's doing any security to keep you from putting a [ __ ] anti-missile or anti-aircraft a slingshot honestly they're so close what kind of slingshot are you carrying well maybe I'm I'm exaggerating but but not really if you break the window right I mean could did you break a window or shoot it into a turbine you know oh you know they also had problems with laser pointers just people pointing laser pointers at planes and that can be dangerous for the pilots yeah why aren't Pilots like essentially running almost entirely on autopilot these days I don't know I don't either obviously not obviously they've got some control over what they do yeah they certainly have some control but yeah you know there's a lot of there like we we're so funny when we isolate threats like I was thinking this the other day while I was traveling
you know we were going through the airport and you know they're going through all your [ __ ] and they're scanning you and you're putting your hands over your head and the radio thing checks your body for weapons and you go through and you get the clear and you go but it's only the airport there's there's places where people congregate by the thousands and there's virtually no security whatsoever like malls when was the last time nobody checks [ __ ] at the mall you go to the parking lot it's filled with cars yeah Time Square you go you know you walk through there's thousands of people in these malls uh whenever I pass that security you know body scan screening I feel really good I really I feel like yeah I did it I passed am I the only one I just I really love that experience of like I put my hands up the thing goes and then I stand there and the guy's like wait and I'm like I'm clean I promise and then he hears it and he goes you can go ahead and I'm like I did it I get credit for being not a threat and I love it walk walking through I don't know I think it's cuz I'm a pleaser right at at at heart I just want people to enjoy me and be happy with me so walking through a metal detector and not having it go off H I just could do that all day if there's someone there watching going yep you're you're good you're good that's an interesting admission that's fasc I know what don't feel that too you don't feel this it's not just relief it's like pride no I don't I definitely don't feel Pride I I definitely feel a a slight relief like okay this is over you cuz I don't like the whole process I'm not a criminal and I'm not a threat I'm not a terrorist and I don't have any plans on ever being one so when I'm doing this I'm like this is just so crazy that this tiny minute one 100th of 1% of the population if it's even that that you ever have to worry about it's probably not even that statistically you know look 1% of the population means out of a 100 million you have a million people right that's 1% yeah so it's not that so it's not that it's not even it's very very very very very small what the actual threat is but because of these [ __ ] these actual threats everyone has to be massively inconvenience so I find it to be incredibly inefficient ridiculous and
almost it almost sort of enforces this idea of instability because although 99.9999999% of people are nothing to worry about because there is this minute tiny threat everyone has to be inconvenienced everyone has to be a suspect and you have to be treated by these you know these people that are getting paid very little money in high stress situations they're not experts at sociology or or psychology rather they're not you know they're not experts in how their their their behavior impacts people who are being treated like threats yeah that that a job like that is FAS I I want to do a documentary someday about people who their job is to do something that everyone hates like a meter maid did was there a movie about meter maids oh no and what it was like to just be like all right time to start my job which literally is just being hated all day same with people who work at complaint departments well I worked as a security guard once for a uh concert venue uh and um you develop this US versus them mentality I only did it for a summer and and just over the course of the summer cuzz we were one of the things that we did was people were always trying to sneak in bottles of booze like the the concert venue sold booze but obviously they were in paper cups and plastic cups and stuff but people would try to bring in bottles of wine like James Taylor concert like we we busted more people with bottles of wine at this James Taylor concert cuz everybody was trying to sneak them in in their purse and we would check they'd be like no there's nothing in here I'm like we have to check your purse right like why do you have to check my purse cuz you might have a bottle of wine in there right and how do you know I have a bottle of wine because everybody has a [ __ ] bottle of wine it's a James Taylor concert all right you know like we're just gonna come in and just have a no can't do it but this is expensive well go home you know and once you pass through that border you can't you can't bring it back you know it's over and um we would we would get these people that would be really angry at us like and real confrontational and at a at a just you know three months of me working there you you you develop this mentality where you're like you know [ __ ] these people these people are [ __ ] like
and that's just us versus them they're just people right but because you're the one whose job is to enforce it and they're angry at you you develop this very confrontational relationship yeah it was very weird and I noticed it was super unhealthy and I decided after the one summer there like I'm never doing this again but someone has to do that job do they though good question I don't know if they do you know I I do not know if someone really needs to do that job I think um first of all if you just say don't bring any bags like what's the worst thing someone bringing in a flask are they going to start a riot where everybody pulls out their flasks and throws them at the same time and you know falls from the sky these [ __ ] I don't know you know I don't I don't know but the the job sucks and and and everywhere you go people were trying to get over on you and everywhere and that's minor that's just most of the people weren't bringing in stuff it was you know a small percentage you know and that that is a there's a distinction between that job and working at a complaint department where the complaint department maybe you're helping people with the problem they're experiencing but if all you do is stop people from bringing in the bottle of wine that they want to have there's you never you don't like work with them to make it work yeah good point that's a really good point yeah and complaint departments they [ __ ] hate it people hate it you know they hate that gig yeah um a meter May would be the worst I think or one of the wor cops are one of the worst I always tell people like you know every there people like [ __ ] cops I hate cops cops are just people okay and people can vary they can be wonderful and they can be terrible yeah and if you imagine what it would be like if almost everyone you talk to is a lying to you almost everyone you talk to is in the middle of a crime that they don't want you to figure out that they're in the middle of a crime everyone's speeding and they're Li I didn't know I was speeding like you're just dealing with Liars all day are have you been drinking sir no you dude you [ __ ] smell like alcohol get out of the car [ __ ] and you just like like enough you're tired tired of your life being threatened by these people you're
tired of the just having to enforce these laws and nobody wants to listen and and they develop they're the worst at developing this US versus them mentality yeah you think about 20 years as a police officer and all the the your perception of people you know it would be like asking a proctologist what you know what [ __ ] smell like right you know like you're only dealing with people with like [ __ ] problems you know yeah exactly yeah it's human beings are very bizarre man we're very bizarre and our our solutions for dealing with issues often times create new issues right and I think that is most certainly the case with the TSA and I think that's most certainly the case with police I think our our ways of handling things create greater issues I talk about humans all the time and I often compare this to animals and animals don't have any of these problems or do they but they would they would Li other if they could lie right can a dog lie if they could they'd be lying like a [ __ ] could you imagine if a dog ate your steak like if you put a steak on the counter and the dog ate it and you like did you eat my steak he's like no no no dude but if a dog could talk could it lie that's one the biggest problem with comparing humans and animals is that we can't ask the animal questions and get feedback from them we have to just think well the dog ate the steak and now he's you know involved in some other act dog activity but how does he lie cuz I can't ask him if he did it or not can can can a dog be deceptive right and you could maybe teach a dog that like if you if you cover this thing up I won't know but is the dog actually intending to cover it or does the dog just know that this action means this result right is it lying then and that's a fantastic question it is do have the capacity for deception is that a complex and what's really fun is trying to figure out how to even test it how can I prove that this dog can lie that's a very difficult and we still haven't been able to do it well here's one I don't think they can lie but cats when a cat is creeping up on a bird aren't they lying I mean they're being deceptive they're slowly move because they don't want you to perceive that they're there that's a
great Point there's clearly a lot of deception in the animal kingdom camouflage for right but uh Venus fly traps even in the Plant World this is just a beautiful flower snap right it's jail and I'm going to eat you here's another question if I took a monkey like that was in the jungle right and I time traveled him back 8,000 years and I put him in that same jungle would the other monkeys be like what you're a monkey from the future you're so different maybe not 8,000 but maybe half a million half a million sure but if I took you and sent you back just 200 years you would be from the future and people would freak out I would run [ __ ] you would run I would run [ __ ] does monkey culture does dog culture change at the same speed right would the dog just be like ah whatever it's the year uh 10,000 BC it's fine dogs are still dogs but humans you can't time travel and fit in that well well there's so many less variables in the dog world because they don't communicate they don't have a data base of information they're drawing from they don't have languages so the difference between a person of 200 years ago and a dog from 200 years ago I think a dog would be exactly the same 200 years ago yeah I don't think there would be of course different breeds you know like that people have engineered certain pitbulls and poodles and that wouldn't exist 200 years ago that have been I mean I have a dog it's called a Regency Mastiff and it's a Mastiff that's been engineered by a friend of mine and he actually took a bunch of different types of dogs and he bred a smaller Mastiff that's more athletic wow and he also made sure that these dogs are have no dog aggression no people aggression like the sweetest dog ever like my my three-year-old would just go up to it and grab it and wrap her arms around its neck and it would kiss her and it's like I never worry about this dog he's the sweetest and it's because he was engineered but engineered over the course of a couple decades by a friend yeah so I know like the whole lineage I know how it all started it's really really dogs are technology mhm in a lot of ways yeah yeah they don't they don't have you know the database like if you could go back 200 years ago you would be the
wizard of the future you know how many what you have what you have in your head I mean with you what you've accumulated what your if you could go back in time with a [ __ ] iPad and your Vsauce um videos on YouTube my God you would be a king maybe but could I convince people uh just just just knowing um something about the moon doesn't mean that they're going to believe me and that's that's one of the things people don't think about when they imagined being the king if they could travel back in time is that sure you could explain to people that where you're from everyone has a cell phone but could you invent one for them no could you put a satellite up into orbit no but you could explain that in the future people will put things into orbit but would you know more about how to get something into orbit than just some uh Rando guy from the year 1200 I certainly wouldn't but some people would you probably would well you would certainly know more than I would but you would wait you would know way more than they would they would have to listen to you if you had an iPad they'd [ __ ] for sure I don't know how helpful I'd be I wouldn't know what kind of propellants to use I would just be like we need something strong enough to escape Earth's gravity and they'd be like well okay but what is that and I'm like well I don't exactly know I know that uh uh the space shuttle had uh liquid fuel in its tank and it had solid fuel in its solid rocket boosters the srbs and they'll be like okay but what is the fuel made of I'm like I don't know where do we get the fuel I don't know well you would kind of have an understanding of explosions and propellants and things that are flammable right but does that mean that I could build a rocket could I explain to a a a culture how to make one well that's one of the cool things about human beings is that we we work on each other's work totally and without like there you know Obama came under a lot of criticism for this whole uh you know you didn't build it thing like if you built a small business you didn't build you didn't build that infrastructure you didn't build those but that is kind of it was I don't think he was eloquently put and it left open a lot of room for counter but the reality of it is every single thing that any human being has
invented only took place because someone invented the ability to communicate someone in uh invented education someone invented a society that's civil enough that you could think and and pontificate on these things and not have to worry about the barbarians coming over the hills with [ __ ] Spears like all all this only takes place because all I mean the only reason why you can build a rocket is cuz someone built Alloys because someone filled out figured out propellants because someone figured out contained explosion because someone figured out velocity and speed and how much energy you actually have to have to escape the energy of gravity pulling you down and all those the the the pull of the earth and then the you know the resistance of air and all these different variables there had to be Untold number of people that had figured these things out before you came along with your next step right so how valuable would I be to people in the past I feel like I'd be most valuable when it came to just like all the jokes that I know that comedians made up in between the past and now but I don't know how helpful I'd be about just like oh you guys didn't know there's a better way to grow corn like we like corn is really cheap uh from where where I'm from and they're like okay but how do you grow that and I'm like well I don't know exactly how they do it do you guys know about Monsanto you don't know about well they make uh you know special seeds that uh their you know their pesticides will own will not kill just do that and they're going be like what's a pesticide and I'm like well I don't know it's like a chemical that that kills pests and they're like well great you're just making up fictional stories I can do that too cars fly there you Goan you can build one over time though you'd be able to explain enough that you would be completely fascinating um I was watching a documentary recently about Locust about the uh various uh times throughout history where Locust had filled the sky like clouds of locust and it was about the uh old west and uh the Army being brought in to uh deliver food to these poor people that had uh that lived in you know the 1800s or 1700s or whatever the [ __ ] it was was but they had these black and white photos of the army and they're they're bringing in these these
wagons filled with food and these poor people they their crops just been completely devastated by these these things that just showed up and filled the sky these Grasshoppers and you know if you could go back and talk to those people and explain pesticides and [ __ ] and like this is what we need to do is find the root cause of the problem and find these bugs and keep them from from breeding and like they' be like what the [ __ ] are you talking about like pesticides what is that well it's chemical that you spray on it keeps the plants from maybe food like cooking like if I went back to before there was pizza I could probably still make a pizza because as long as bread had still been like invented and there was cheese and meat I could combine them in the right way to make a pizza I don't know how to exactly make pizza dough from the ingredients they'd have back in the past but that could blow people's mind if if I made a really delicious pizza huh it would be hard to get yeast where do you get yeast uh from the store see that's the problem and and this was really well put in a show called connections um that that was on television a long time ago uh in the very first episode the guy's like what if everyone on Earth disappeared what would you do and everyone's like oh I know what i' do I'd like you know find a farm and I could grow food he's like really you could grow food when do you plant these seeds how far down do you plant them and everyone goes okay nope I don't know well you you would probably be able to figure out a lot of [ __ ] you know if you had a farm if you had a well if you had animals you would you're a smart guy you'd probably be able to figure out a lot of [ __ ] You' definitely make some errors but you'd be able to figure out a lot of [ __ ] that's I you're right yeah you're right the real part problem would be re-engineering you know the the really complex stuff like communication networks that would be I mean that would be over I mean if if it was only up to you know if you could get a random group of a hundred people just completely random and they would be the only people that survive we would be cavemen I mean we literally if we if you only had 100 people and we removed all the technology
that we have today and the 100 people had to move forward and progress just based on the information that they have inside their heads [ __ ] good luck you that's the weird thing about the human organism it really is a giant superorganism that needs itself it yeah that's right there there are definitely people you would want to be in that group of hundred and people that you wouldn't wouldn't be nearly as helpful sure um but we need to balance each other out maybe that some of the people that were in that group maybe they had some great ideas scientifically but maybe they were [ __ ] up socially and maybe they couldn't deal with having the responsibility of being the alpha you know maybe it's a bad look we've all seen people that get attention or that get uh press or um rather Fame and then it goes to their head and they become crazy and they become cult leaders you know it's it's a bad mix for them right you know and then other people handle it you know Jimmy Carter Style with eloquence and Grace like him in a position of power and influence he becomes more introspective more you know more passionate more compassionate whereas other people just start their own [ __ ] and like what if there's one out of 100 believes his own [ __ ] and he's like ordering us around and like oh well this [ __ ] guy well he thinks just cuz he knows how to grow corn he can tell us what to do like you you develop a whole new set of social issues I want to see the first person to become king I was on Wikipedia the other day looking at like the Queen of England I guess and I could just keep clicking back in to find the previous ruler and I was like how far back does this go right where's the first guy who one day was like hey could you get me that thing why uh because I'm King yeah that's a new thing I just invented like where did that come from I want to witness the I can imagine all kinds of scenarios like something happened you know a lightning struck in a tree CAU fire and someone said I caused that now you all have to obey me I have this like Divine Authority and that's where it came from but the idea of the the leaders emerging that way maybe they just were the strongest person I don't know it probably definitely started off with who can [ __ ] everybody up it probably
started off with who can pick up the heaviest sword who's the biggest it I mean that's how it is in the primate world if we wanted to go back to the primate world the alpha is the one with the sharpest teeth the biggest muscles the the largest body I mean that's that's what they are if you go to chimps if you go to Lions if you go to any any animal that doesn't have a language yeah that's the the there's the leader of the tribe there's the Alpha Lion that comes in and all the male lions have to scatter until he's challenged by a new Young Lion and then he's forced into Exile and has to fend for himself happens with Wolves it happens with all sorts of primates you know the the alpha being that I mean the the one leader and that also probably serves a function of the one leader serves this function of there has to be some sort of competition in order for them to continue to progress and so this competition for for breeding rights you know it ensures strength and diversity you know this competition also manifests itself when it comes to the human world if one can figure out how to dominate all that that's an interesting trait and you can get some [ __ ] done if you could figure that out but then others need to challenge this one because you know why you know it can't be stagnant there has to be new new challenges a new competition and then everybody will have to elevate their game accordingly because of this and that's sort of eventually what leads us to 2014 in America I mean that's essentially what's going on right now right here we are sort of but now it's become bizarre and it's not really one it's one that's a figurehead which is controlled by other giant groups of individuals which we call corporations and military-industrial complex and all these different various points of influence that are trying to change the course of how things are done in order to benefit themselves or their group and I mean it's essentially like alpha male [ __ ] but on this really bizarre and distorted scale yeah yeah yeah I mean it's really just the same as monkeys right yeah sharp te the analogy is still very very clear yeah yeah but also constantly in competition and moving forward and there's folks that want to say well that competition should stop
and this is all terrible and morally and ethically absolutely I agree with you 100% for the sake of the human race sure for the sake of children and education and poverty absolutely I'm with you but as an objective Observer that's standing back and looking at what has got us to this point it has been all of that it has been all this competition for dominance it's been all this weird Alpha stuff I mean that's what's That's What's led to this point having these conversations sitting over a laptop and talking on the internet I mean some really Fascinating People had to figure this out and there had to be a certain amount of compensation for their efforts for their efforts like Microsoft achieved This Global dominance as this gigantic promoter of of of computers because the there's a massive amount of reward involved in that Bill Gates is 93 billion I mean it was this wasn't entirely altruistic people can talk all they want about Bill Gates is the amount of of money he's given to charity and he if you have 993 billion you really need to have some huge charitable programs going on because otherwise you're just going to look when I was a kid it was always like can't I just write Bill Gates to give me a million dollars like that's such a small amount of his his his net worth couldn't he just give me a million that'd be awesome well could you imagine being a guy that has that kind of money running into people like I'm not that kind of Rich by any stretch of the imagination but I constantly run into people that want me to fund their projects yeah and there's not enough time in the world to engage these people and and and become a part of their life and their their world so they just want you to just like listen you don't have to be involved just give me the money and I'll give the [ __ ] out of here man like you got to get your own money like I don't have time for this like this is well you would even have to think about it but I would because I would if I gave you money I'd be thinking about it like and I don't I'm not involved in your project but I'm minuscule in comparison to to a guy like Bill Gates right I I think it really is true that that the whole story about if Bill Gates walked down the street and saw a quarter in the street and he like got went out of his way to pick it up he would lose money if
he found $100 he would lose money yeah $100 it would cost him more time minutes of his time and then he'd have to fold it and put it in his wallet I don't have the time for that [ __ ] can you imagine being so so important and valuable that like just folding your own money was not worth it well also there's a weird thing of you become this bizarre Target yeah when you're you're you're a bank you're a walking bank yeah like all someone have to do is grab Bill Gates and lock him in a room and say listen I'll let you out man but I need a million dollar right for him that's nothing right a million dollars when you have 93,000 million I mean yeah I mean obviously he doesn't have like a bank account with that much that he could withdraw a lot of it is in other assets and it's not it's not all liquid but I wonder yeah if if we asked him to just produce by the end of this week a pile of cash how big of a pile of cash could he produce in a week and how much would that change someone's life or a group of people's lives or a community's life if Bill Gates decided okay I'm going to create Utopia yeah I'm going to go to Tijana and I'm going to buy it I'm going to buy everything how much would it cost to buy everything in Tiana and everyone and have them all agree to this yeah basically and hire everyone and give everyone like healthy organic food and set up Farms give people really high-paying jobs and like bu rebuild the entire infrastructure and could he create a Utopia with $93 billion or is that not enough you could you could do something awesome uh I don't think people would accept the Utopia they'd always find a reason to be unhappy well they'd always want to be the alpha yeah they'd always want to be the Bill Gates's boss a million dollars you know how what a million dollars looks like yeah there's an image of uh what a million dollars looks like in stacks of hundreds what a billion looks like and what a trillion a trillion is [ __ ] a trillion is is a lot a million isn't you know it's not as much as you would think yeah yeah I've always wanted to do an episode about that and like actually work with a bank and go to like their vault and say could I show people a million dollars in hundreds and how it's I think it's I think that's just like five of paper tall like that kind of
Stack that's a million well $10,000 is a small amount in $100 bills it's not that much right you know 10 hundreds is a th000 10 stacks of that is 10,000 10,000 it's not that much it's not that much no and so when you look at a million in stacks of hundreds it's a relatively small pile yeah and a billion gets pretty big but a trillion is where [ __ ] gets really weird the thing about five reams of paper might be for dollar bills I didn't come prepared for all these little perspective but yeah a million dollars it's less less dollars than you would think in uh in Breaking Bad the big pile of money that was insane mhm here's here's the image this is uh what it looks like um what is that that small one uh that's a million that's a million that small Stacks a million is that a billion 100 million oh wow that's a billion that's a billion and here's a trillion C po those are double Stacks yeah it's essentially a football field filled with cash yeah and and stacked up you know like Shaquille O'Neal High yeah y just a lot of [ __ ] money have you ever seen those um images of those Mexican drug lords that they bust they go to their house and they have like a whole room filled with $100 bills yeah these guys like didn't have Banks they just have Stacks and stacks of money and goldplated guns and often it's in multiple currencies they've got dollars and euros and and pounds and and all because drugs are illegal yeah fig well you know it's really tough to like do a I got really into money laundering during uh breaking bat I like was obsessed with coming up with the best way to to to make money look legitimate what's the best way well I I feel like you know running something like a strip club is pretty good because the clients are unlikely to really ever want to tell a lot about how much they spent and what they spent on so you could easily say yeah I made a million dollar last year at my strip club like I dare you to find the clients that that and and and account for all of this and cash and and they would pay in cash right right um but also I was wondering what about just being like a life coach I could just say oh yeah someone paid me a million dollars to teach him how to be happier like you would but that's a write off someone paid you a million mhm they
would be able to write that off it's like educational expenses isn't it coaching so so you're saying the strip club is still a better way to the money yeah yeah yeah especially because it's cash mostly but then here's yeah you've you've got to get make that money look clean just keeping stacks of it in your house means that maybe you could totally go for like nice dinners all the time but you can't buy a house very easily if if everyone just goes well how are you paying for this I have a room full of cash that I don't want a bank to know that I have would you please do a business with me it's tough yeah well you know they we're running into this issue in Colorado with the medical marijuana uh then becoming uh or recreational marijuana rather becoming uh legal and then Banks were not accepting the money from these yeah and so they didn't they couldn't use credit cards they had to do everything in cash and then they would have to take that cash and they would have to take it when it reached a certain amount they would have to buy Bank notes so they have to bring that money to the bank and then yeah and exchange it so you have essentially you have these workers you know I don't know how much they're paying them per hour but they're driving around with insane amounts of money that's unsafe yeah it's very unsafe and very easily targeted I mean there's just giant medical Mar why the bank take the money well because the federal government the federal government is not U allowing marijuana not only that here's where it gets really tricky and this is important for anybody who's listening to this that uh lives in Washington state or lives in Colorado where as a state marijuana is legal federally still not legal so if you go into a national park and you're in a national park and you're smor Colorado people getting arrested they're getting arrested by federal authori I should know more about this this is fascinating so the banks because they're federally insured can well can't the bank just not ask where the money came from that's I guess Tech no I think you have to I think you have to be able to report it because otherwise you're you're helping abiding drug dealers what they do in Florida and cocaine Cocaine Cowboys well that's a long time ago and
that's a good question because they they did it illegally there's more Dr there's more Banks per capita in Florida than anywhere else in the world no kidding in in Miami yeah and they think that that is essentially because of the cocaine industry and that Miami the Cocaine Cowboys which is a fantastic documentary by my friend Billy Corbin I've got to watch that Cowboys one and two it's great and we've been going back and forth on Twitter I got to get that guy on the podcast because he's a really interesting guy on his own uh and his documentaries are fantastic but Cocaine Cowboys is in my opinion the very best documentary ever on how crazy cocaine was in Miami at one time the ENT entire graduating class of the police department they either wound up dead or in jail man like there was so much corruption that everyone was selling Coke everyone was doing coke everyone the money was coming in in such insane piles and it was so unmanageable that Banks were popping up left and right to launder it people were just [ __ ] coked up and doing crazy [ __ ] like Scarface was really sort of a minor version of what was really going on like the reality the reality was crazier than Tony Montana Tony Montana was very mild in compar into the actual the actual dealings and craziness that was going on during the 80s the cocaine days wow it's amazing it's a fantastic documentary and also all because the fact that it was illegal I mean the same thing that's going on in Mexico right now I mean they kind of put the kabash On It in America or at least slowed it down down considerably but the reason why all this illegal violence was going on in the first place or violence was going on in the first place was because it was illegal because only criminals could sell it and then they had to compete for dominance right and you had to keep cash all around in houses and stuff yeah yeah yeah this guy who was a pilot used to have these uh holes that he dug in his backyard and would put garbage bags filled with like a million dollars right in his backyard what's the most money cash you've ever held I haven't really held a lot yeah I was thinking couple thousand I think I yeah I think 2,000 I bought a couch with cash once because it was like it was this
weird deal which sounds so weird now but it was like well you know if you pay in cash it's like $200 less and I'm like really so I just went to the bank and I'm like can I get 2,000 cash or whatever it was and then they put it in an envelope and I walked back across the street and bought the couch with the cash and well that's because they have like credit card fees like I've had people ask asked me if I could pay with uh Visa instead of American Express cuz American Express would give you like a higher fee ah yeah I've been to to uh like bars that don't accept American Express yeah just purely because they hate the feed or something I don't know I'm not talking about anything I know anything about I think that's what it is yeah because I I've I've I have seen that before I've had people say to me is do you have Visa like we take this if you don't it's okay I'm like well why don't you want it and then they'll tell you well they kill you with the fees I was like oh H I didn't know that it varies American Express was always a weird one too because it was one where you paid it all off at the end of the month which I liked you know it wasn't like a Visa card where say if you owe a th000 bucks you pay you know 10 a month it wasn't that it was like you if you spend a th000 bucks at the end of the month here's your bill it's 1,000 bucks which I like to just take care of that I don't I don't want that floating over I've been in debt before and it's a gross feeling to have this money just like sitting over your head so the American Express thing I like that you paid it off but I guess they charge more for that because otherwise why would it benefit someone to pay in cash like why would they want you to give them cash there has involved yeah well with cash they could just pretend they wouldn't have to even pay tax on it they could just say well then you're going illegal I'm not going illegal I'm going you're trying to figure out the legitimate reason for it could have been the fees yeah would have to be right yeah uh I'm going to forget all the details about this but I'm now remembering that I think I had $5,000 in my hand once cuz I was investing this money in um uh a Roth IRA okay and I didn't have any checks with me I I I had checks in some other city and and I'm like well how else am I
going to give this $5,000 I so I got the cash and then turns out you can't just show up with the cash to invest in the Roth IRA so I'm like ah okay crud you can't no they they they wouldn't even accept it and I was told by the the wealth management company that if you do that they don't want people coming in and out carrying lots of cash because that can then cause like problems outside where people know that people are coming into this business carrying lots of cash huh so they wouldn't accept it so I had to just go and order more checks but now I had $5,000 I had to put back in the bank um and my mom did it for me this is I'm not understanding why this story is so weird but she tried to do it and the bank flipped out and they were like where did you get this money and she had to fill out a form and like tell them how she got it and what her job was and why she had all this money and cash wow that's bizarre we we had a guy on recently um who was a uh poker Pro and he was talking about poker players who come back from other countries and they win these poker tournaments thousands of dollars and a lot of times it gets taken from them at the border because they don't believe that they won this plan you have to prove that you won it like you you've got $50,000 on you oh yeah yeah you're a [ __ ] drug dealer like no I'm a professional poker player I wanton a tournament here's my paperwork nope you got to go to court and they would force them to go to court to try to get their money back they essentially steal their money and then make them why but they why would they have their poker winnings from a professional poker game in cash wouldn't you get it well because you get it cashed out like say if you're in maau or something like that and you you win some gigant poker you know thing you get your money and then you cash out you know cash in your chips they give you like in Vegas like I have a friend who's a degenerate gambler but he's also super wealthy so he uh he's Dana White he owns the UFC he's one of the owners of the UFC he's worth stupid amounts of money but he'll Gamble and win a million dollars in a night dang and they give it to him in garbage bags like he has to go out to his yep he goes out to his car they grab bags and they fill like a
million dollars they fill a garbage bag up with money and he'll leave with a million dollars in cash in a bag oh he's talked about it many times why do they why onast they they would direct deposit it wouldn't they nope nope they give it to you in cash wow I don't know if he wants cash I don't know if they can direct deposit it I'm not a gambler I don't understand yeah I don't know any of this the most I've ever gambled on something is I think maybe a thous on multiple bets like before I used to be the commentator for the UFC um I would bet on fights okay um and usually it wasn't even the UFC it was like other organizations and I would go in and I I kind of had an inside line like there's still to this day I have a friend um and uh I give him picks like whenever the fights go like I go oh this is a lock this is a lock this is a [ __ ] this these odds are idiots I don't know how this got in like there's odds to this day that are really bad like you'll be a guy who's a 2 to1 favorite and he really should be a 5 to1 Underdog happens all the time and it's because in order to understand mixed martial arts on a very very high level you have to have some competition you have to have competed you have to train you have to do it on a regular basis and you have to know the people and you have to know them inside and out you have to know what they're capable of if they're Front Runners there's certain people that will fold there's certain people that you know there's certain people that just have an intangible quality that they know how to pull things off and how you sort of formulate the odds and a lot of times the odds makers are fat old white dudes who really don't know what the [ __ ] going on they just know based on you know like this guy's more popular this guy's more famous or this guy he's he's beating a lot of tough guys like they don't know the other guy he's fighting like um there's certain guys when they enter into the UFC for the first time um they you know like a lot of people don't know how they did in other organizations that's when you can get sort of the best odds and so interesting this friend of mine I've giving him these picks we're like way over 80% like way over 80% winning so if I was a if I was a real Gambling Man you know I'm not just
because I don't trust myself but if I was a real Gambling Man I would uh I'd be [ __ ] killing him with that yeah that's that's fascinating who does get to set odds they have to be pretty smart but they're not they're not some of them are some of them are smart you know I don't know who does it I don't know the people I used to know the guy who did it for USA Today um very smart guy and it was really interesting talking to him about odds but again an older guy didn't train you know didn't fight he was very knowledgeable but I think there's certain levels there's certain levels of understanding and the at the ultimate level of understanding like there's a certain guys are like you know what if the [ __ ] hits the fan I think this guy folds up and you got to you got to take that into consideration when he's fighting the guy who's not going to fold up but odds are very like I I don't get how do you [ __ ] make odds on a football game like you're going to you're going to bet that these guys who like you have to follow injuries you have to make sure how's his ankle I heard that guy's got a bad ankle what's going on with his neck and this guy's got some new surgery for his [ __ ] hip and okay take that into consideration this guy dropped the ball last week oh we got to factor that in there's x amount of players on this team and Y amount of players on that team and they're all trying to move a ball across the line with all these random variables and it's not just who's going to win and who's going to lose but it's like by how many points MH yeah and they're right so often I know they're right so my friend Joey Diaz says you never see a bookie with a part a part-time job that that's Joey yeah yeah the I don't get it but when you would think about it like if people can understand the stock market which they sort of can uhuh and there's so much money involved in the stock market they would be able to figure out the variables involved in any sort of athletic gambling too if there's money involved someone's going to try to do really well at it uh like insurance is that way you know there's a bunch of people that are way smarter than you who were cranking away at machines going what should we charge to make sure that we come out of this well yeah and how do
we [ __ ] these people over when they do win or they do uh have a legitimate claim how do we draw it out so we make as much money and interest during the time where we hold back while they're waiting yeah yeah I mean that's what they do that's why they they I mean the more and the more they can get you to give up I mean some people just give up when faced with adversity yeah fac with a challenge like you know you're going to have to dispute this claim oh [ __ ] a lot of people just give up they just fold up shop well maybe they're just picking their battles right they're like look it's not even worth it to me to fight this one mhm I'm going to save that energy for something else yeah well there's there's definitely that and there's other people that go you know what I don't I don't care if this cost me a million dollars to win $100,000 princip exactly there's a lot of people those people are dangerous I had a great experience with the my my cell phone uh it was it was uh stolen I think and uh uh yeah Insurance fixed it all up I just got a new phone really yeah cuz I mean I was paying for it though right I paid for like the best insurance like replacement policy and all I had to do is go in and say yeah this honestly was was stolen I you know I'm not lying to you check a box and then the next day they mailed me a brand new phone well what's really crazy is people that have jewelry and they have insurance in their jewelry like I know a woman who lost a very expensive diamond ring uhhuh and she filed an insurance claim got paid and then found it in a jacket pocket years youat her I don't know what she did I don't know her that well she was a friend of a friend but she apparent I I I hope she gave the money back cuz if she gets caught she's a wealthy woman right if she gets caught she's [ __ ] like they you know this was like a $70,000 ring or something crazy like that some giant fat Rock and she found it in her jacket pocket like I think years later like she had made the claim and the whole deal and gotten paid right she thought that some workers stole it right which definitely happens and then you find out that you you haven't actually committed fraud though right and unless you decide to not tell them right away that you found the ring and give the money back but isn't it
amazing that you could just do that you could just say someone stole my ring yeah you can't prove who you file a police report and then you get the money and then you could just put the ring on in the darkness like [ __ ] Gollum right right well that's how I felt because this this phone uh I know where I left it and it was kind of in a public place and then it was gone and I'm like oh I'm really sure I left it here I'm sure it was taken why would someone take a phone though too everyone's phone has a lock on it what what are you going to do with that thing you well if I mean you can just like reset the whole thing right find my phone you know especially with iPhones you [ __ ] I mean people have been busted before yeah that's that's happened many times a TSA worker got busted because they stole saw an iPad yeah yeah good [ __ ] them [ __ ] criminals yeah took it yeah and they found it they went they traced it to the person's house yeah I watched the episode where the guy's like yeah you know I there's an iPad in here and he's like what no it's my wife's and like well yeah no it's not that was really awkward yeah yeah super awkward yeah um how do they what do they do with Android phones they have a similar yeah yeah they do like a find my phone feature yeah um and I've been using this thing called Google Now which is uh really pretty fun uh I usually never update things I never allow things to know my location you know but this one I'm like I'm going to just see what it does and it was able to determine where I lived where my girlfriend lived it knows that I like like Taco Bell so it'll just tell me when I come to New cities it's like okay there's a Taco Bell eight minutes away uh here's a conversion between the currency you usually spend and the currency that they use where you are now here's some things that you might want to do based on where you're standing and I'm like whoa yeah it's getting really squirely with Google like I love it I love it for convenience but man if you ever did something illegal like you're [ __ ] by who I said if you ever did something illegal we wanted to track your whereabouts like oh oh you're not you mean all documented nuts that we are carrying around devices that tell our locations speeds yep our speeds
speeds if you're speeding they can determine it from your cell phone yeah yeah that's a fact as you clip these different stations these different cell ports or whatever they are channels Towers Towers right and satellites too yeah satellites yeah well because your the your uh GPS is all satellite based so even if you have no connection you can still use the GPS to know your location is that true because it's true yeah it used to be that GPS was uh that on your phone essentially it was it calculating it from but it was calculating it from cell phone towers now it's straight G I'm sure there's different ways that it works but I know that like when I was in the the radio quiet Zone in West Virginia there's no uh cell phone service but uh satellite and GPS worked oh cuz they're not talking with the same signals that are like banned out there I see yeah they interfere I'm probably behind the times on the information cuz I know the old cell phones didn't work the GPS didn't work the navigation didn't work when you had no service right I think it can pull up you know where you are and how fast you're moving but it you need the data plan to get the like images of the ground and the roads and the where's the nearest thing that's all from data I think I mean it depends what your plan is and what device you're using but this's going to come a time where you're not going to be able to drive it's coming really soon that's another Google thing these damn Google cars the self-driving cars yeah well it's it's it's way safer right M Nerf the world take out all the fun I had a panic attack on the way here by the way uhoh yeah I was driving and I just all of a sudden thought what if my sight disappeared immediately that and I was going so fast in this car that would be terrible and that started freaking me out that's funny cuz I had a similar dream recently it wasn't what if my site disappeared it's what if I had to navigate without sight and this is the strangest [ __ ] dream and I can't believe I'm remembering this but someone uh I don't know who the person was but they were very familiar to me they were driving by putting their their hand uh across their eyes and resting it on a
mattress so they were driving from a mattress like looking down like there was no visual whatsoever and then they were steering with their and they were like you just got to go on your instincts I was like what the [ __ ] are you talking about like and they were they were moving a car from like w without seeing where they were going at all I'm like how do you know where you're going like well I know the path and I know how fast I'm going I'm like oh this is so [ __ ] crazy and then I woke up it was one of those like this is just too much I got to wake up and I woke up and for whatever reason I remember this but the idea of relying entirely on the sense of sight that's the one sense that you use to determine where you are and where you're going and it was just the craziest thing to me that all this was being done without and I think of it as in terms of submarines like submarines freak me the [ __ ] out because there's no windows in those goddamn things it's just a metal tube that's relying on radar and you're in the ocean and you're [ __ ] moving around like all this water pressure and there rocks around and you have to rely on this radar and if the radar goes out you're piloting this huge tube through the ocean with no idea of what's around you yeah that's crazy submarines are [ __ ] crazy I mean that they figured out how to Pilot things with sound and use radar waves to figure out where objects are and Sona are and that's just bizarre yeah it is and and the the suits that we built to like make that all possible are what inspired space suits um never been in a submarine how crazy is [ __ ] James Cameron speaking about riches yeah so rich that that's like your hobby deepest depths of the earth he went to the deepest depths of the of the ocean he's like the first guy to like do the Mariana Trench by himself yeah crazy [ __ ] all Al to make Avatar 2 supposedly or as an excuse to make Avatar 2 uh that's clever well that's one of those he's one of those guys that were like what would you do if you had x amount of money well that's what he would do you know like and he's doing it yeah I mean a lot of people would say
like what would you do if you had you know [ __ ] $50 billion and all the resources in the world and all these Engineers working for you and what would you do well I'd probably devise the greatest submarine ever wondering what are the biggest wishes like if you could just have one wish what would you wish for what has has anyone surveyed the population and been like well most people actually uh wish that they could fly or they wish for money or they wish for x-ray vision like I I want to see a list of the top 10 most wished wished wishes they would probably wish to have infinite wishes but isn't that like a trick like isn't that in a a children's book if yeah you're not allowed to wish for more wishes that's always important yeah that's the number one caveat yeah yeah you're allowed to uh what would you wish for if it was you well great now I'm having to answer this myself yeah why wouldn't you though um if you're going to ask it why wouldn't you try to answer it yourself before you well I mean you know my answer should be that my wish is that there's complete peace on Earth and everyone's happy right that's what it would be yeah but you know what that's the kind of wish that could easily you had be careful what you wish for for how long right for how long and also what does it mean that everyone's happy is it that nothing changes but everyone just has this content that won't go away everyone's on Prozac yeah it's everyone's got this SSR like that's not what I meant but um I don't know I don't think flying would be that cool it'd be fun kind of but it'd be too windy I'd have to build a suit yeah the ability to teleport just I want to be in New Zealand now yeah I'm in New Zealand teleport um how many times would you be able to do it would you be able to do it like blinking would you be able to do it as long as you're alive yeah and then also would when you teleported would it still be you that's a huge question about teleportation it's like well wait if I if I assemble a bunch of atoms somewhere else to exactly replicate you is that is that you well here's the real tricky one um our memories memories are always very strange right our memories of just my
memories of yesterday here's a perfect example I had a great time yesterday I had a a really fun podcast then I went and did two comedy shows at two different comedy clubs I drove around I hung out with my kids I had a great yesterday but my memory of it is quite sketchy sure I mean I can recall things in my head that I'm reasonably sure I did but it's it's pretty sketchy and then I went to sleep I shut off and I woke up and I woke up with the memory of this life and how do I even know that that's all the stuff that really happened how do I not know that I just started my life today yeah that's a great question like how can you prove that the Universe didn't start 10 seconds ago MH or your life didn't start 10 seconds ago or at the very least when you arose when your Consciousness I mean you know for sure reasonably sure that you were unconscious and then you became conscious this morning yeah and when you became conscious this morning you like where am I I'm in my bed uh what time is it let me check my phone what's today I think it's Wednesday okay what do I do today oh I have uh Michael from Vsauce is uh coming over he's going to do a podcast that's going to be cool okay cool and I'm assuming based on my memory that this is the life that I've chosen and that this is the the path that I'm on and this is the events that are going to take place based on my iPhone calendar or whatever but the reality is it's mostly just memory of a life that I've assumed that I've lived when I was a kid I I would freak myself out by just thinking about how I was trapped in my own mind no one else was ever going to see out of my eyes no one else was me and it really made me feel lonely and trapped but isn't that of all the people I could have been seen out of out of all the mind I could have been on this one that's a weird thing to freak out about that's a very specific way to look at it that you're trapped in your own mind and you felt lonely because you were trapped in your own mind I've never felt that I've never like no one would ever look out of my eyes and be my head but maybe they will you know the idea that we can record with a phone yeah you know you can record record video and audio you could you could I could show you some stuff that happened
yesterday like look this is a a bird landed on my porch look at that cool bird there's a video of it you can see the bird oh there's a video that sort of Time Capture right captured a moment in time there's going to come a point in time where there's a much more sophisticated way of doing that and I think it's going to be based on like some sort of a virtual reality Oculus Rift type situation where we're going to have whether it would be a Google Lens a contact lens or whether it be some sort of a neural implant that's able to accurately record what you see and what you experience and then they're going to take it to the next level and the Really Advanced versions of it we're going to be able to record emotions and touch and feeling and and your your own the the battles that you have in your mind of perception the battles of uh is this person being mean or are they just doing their job or how do I how do I go with this is this traffic annoying or is it fascinating there's all these cars you know what is you know what's my take on this and how do I choose to perceive the world because that's a lot of what the world is is the choices that you make in perception it's not just the perception itself but how do you interpret that perception and what do you decide that it means yeah and you know maybe you could like have insight as to why a person's [ __ ] up like there's there's some woe as me people that are really annoying like everything is woe as me this always happens is [ __ ] and you know is it could you get in their head and could you find like oh you've got a hitch here and how you look at stuff like you automatically you've you've developed a pattern where you automatically assume the world's out to get you yeah like I know a dude and uh he's I wouldn't say he's smart because he's socially very dumb but he collects a lot of information and he believes that he's smart because he collects a lot of information and he information mean like he learns facts well he he runs a podcast and he's he's a conspiracy theorist to the maximum like he believes in Chemtrails and anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot he's super confrontational about it but he thinks that he's really bright but anybody who listens to his podcast whose objective could say there's something
wrong with this guy like he thinks everyone's a a CIA disinformation agent and like it's really really bizarre when you listen to like he's accused me of being a disinformation agent for the CIA or the FBI I thought you were are you not not anymore not anymore okay it's so [ __ ] stupid that but he in his mind he makes all these connections right and he believes these conspiracies abound and that they're everywhere and I would love to see what's wrong with his brain I would love to like go on like a schematic tour of the synapses and how they fire and go oh you've got assburgers oh you got a disease or you got or I conspiracies are fascinating it's like you can't admit that just stuff happens it has to all be part of some plan it has to all be controlled by some like organization or person well this is why because some of them are real this is why conspiracies are fascinating to people like a lot of folks want to be in the non-nonsense crowd and they want to say well you know conspiracy the people can't admit that things just happened uhhuh okay but here's a good one yeah 9/11 do you think that 9/11 happened meaning do you think that planes flew into towers and people died do you think that that happened yeah I do okay well then you believe in conspiracies because the what's the conspiracy that people conspire to do that ah yeah yeah yeah but a very organized event sure sure but I'm talking about the like things are being hidden from us okay do you believe that the government has tried to hide things from people ever oh they have for sure so then they're real and they ADV there if the events have actually taken place if events H like like operation Northwoods are you aware of operation Northwoods no it's one of the ones the conspiracy theorists love to point to because it's pretty fascinating in 1962 uh this was a u this was signed by The Joint Chiefs of Staff and operation Northwoods was a plan to get the support of the American public for a war against Cuba and what they were going to do is they were going to blow up a drone airliner they were going to blame it on Cuba yeah they arm have you heard this I think I read about false flag operations all these things and I that one came up this is one of the big ones because it
was right around the time where we were uh considering going to war with Cuba because Cuba was allied with the Soviet Union the whole deal and they were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay and kill American soldiers I mean this is uh there was a whole series of events that they were planning this was all vetoed by Kennedy and it was uh you know a real false flag plan and if you look at that you realize well that's how they think like the people that were running the government at that point in time at least 1962 there was a certain faction of them that thinks this way yeah everything evolves including evil Everything Changes evolves becomes more complicated becomes more you know they they they get better they innovate everything it's just the way things go nothing nothing stays still everything must elevate including conspiracies yeah I mean if if that's the case if operation Northwoods was really signed by The Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Freedom of Information Act the the documents that have been released show that it was if that's the case and no one went to jail for that because no one did those are [ __ ] criminals I mean those guys were planning on killing the children of uh Americans who went over and were were working as soldiers believing that they were defending freedom and all this Jazz but they were going to be killed by other American soldiers or other American you know military people who are working in cahoots with the Joint Chiefs of Staff that's crazy it's amazing amazing fact so if that is true you you look at things like that you got to go okay well of course people believe in conspiracies if you don't believe in conspiracies I believe you're infantile I believe it's it's a it's a silly thing to think that the government doesn't conspire when you hear that Dick Cheney and George Bush were considering a false flag attack uh on uh that they were gonna say that Iran had attacked America this was something they had considered before they left office so the problem is that there are conspiracies but then there's another problem is that people see them in everything they see them in things that aren't conspiracies like they see Chemtrails they believe that contrails that are created when jet
engines pass through certain levels of condensation in the atmosphere is actually the government spraying artifici CLS over us where where does that idea begin the chemtrail idea yeah begins with just well someone said like I feel different now than I did before airplanes flew over I wonder if their government created a chemical that makes us all obey them have you ever seen Prince talk about it no way Prince the artist the musician Prince the artist was doing an interview and in the interview he was talking about Chemtrails and he was talking about growing up and that you know he he when he was a kid he would see these trails in the sky and then all of a sudden everyone would be fighting everyone was fighting and I was like wondering they're spraying things is making everybody fighting like whoa what the [ __ ] are you that today I don't know you have to ask him you'd have to ask him but it's a see if you can find that it's you got it okay we'll we'll pull it up because it's it's quite hilarious like like first of all no one he obviously he has formulated this incredibly comp Lex theory that these people are being quiet that thousands of Pilots hundreds of Pilots whatever Engineers people that have armed the planes all these people have formulated these methods of distributing some sort of uh unheard of chemical that can cause people to be aggressive and fight and only target the hood you know you're spraying in the SK spray it 30,000 yet it's targeted but he's formulated this but made no attempt whatsoever to understand a is this possible B is there a dispersement way method of doing it see what are these trails that are in the sky what are these artificial clouds that everyone's so freaking out about yeah well they're not artificial clouds they're clouds that are created artificially that's all they are is clouds the reason why they look like clouds is cuz they are clouds they're water vapor is a cloud yeah a jet engine passes through condensation it changes because of the jet engine the heat of the of the engine the spinning of the turbines the whole deal and it the the reason why it looks like they're spraying clouds is cuz they're making clouds with the engine and it only occurs occasionally it only occurs when
certain levels of condensation in the atmosphere this is all provable stuff the the the point about the what's the simplest explanation that's the key thing I was like you know they could have also just put stuff in the water like why does it have to be such an elaborate conspiracy because they see it yeah Mick West who uh runs debunked decom um metabunk rather um he's uh a former software guy made video games and he became fascinated by debunking like uh really complex things like this like where where people have all these like psychological connections to these things and he he calls it the training wheels of conspiracy theories okay because you see them you see like what is that are they spraying things what is that like no just a j it like godamn it but nobody wants to look into it deep enough to you know to sort of debunk the whole thing but yet Prince Will Go On television and have this really detailed idea that he has in his head here we'll play it yeah pleas it's quite go back to Jack Johnson because he's still in the back of my head I can't get him out of my head where this conversation is concerned um who have you felt most often like in the ring fighting the record industry like Jack or the opponent oh like Jack like Jack Mak sense tell me why it well because I knew I was right MH you know we talked about this in our very first interview and conversation together um it's obvious now that artists are supposed to own their Master recordings I mean in the future it'll be unconscionable to even think you can take somebody's creation and claim ownership of it see unfortunately this discussion is going to start to Barrel into a discussion about the human genome and the DNA and all the the rest of it um when it gets there then we're going to be in the deep water MH see so it's better to start the conversation now before we get into God talk you know um you sure this is the right video there are says four songs that I want to ask you about and I did what I have never done before which is to actually print these lyrics out some of them I'm I'm since the record is so new I'm learning some of them I got just SC a little bit see what the [ __ ] they know more about all of us because um what he
said affects all of us he said online or wherever and try to get a copy of it and just listen to it you going to listen to this before this is not the right [ __ ] find the right [ __ ] will you um the um there is a video and uh it is that video and uh it is in that conversation he talks about kimt TRS but see what he said that like you know The genome and the DNA like people will throw around big words like that fascinating scientific terms like that when they're talk about really ridiculous [ __ ] and you go okay well you've you've researched enough that you understand that there's a thing called DNA and there's a thing called the human genome this very complex program that has been devised to understand the the ingredients the very components of human life but yet you haven't looked at all into this whole plain springing fake clouds thing yeah enough to understand that first of all they think it's like aluminum and barium well aluminum and barium doesn't look like water vapor do you understand that like if they were spraying aluminum and me saying this right now I will be accused of being a disin a paid disinformation agent just because I simply I believe there are real conspiracies I believe there's a real threat to security peace prosperity in this world but it's not planes making fake clouds you know and if people really want to look at Chemtrails and the the dangers of these jets look at all the instances of diseases where people live close to airports that's the real issue the real issue when it comes to air travel is the fact that this is not a free ride no one rides for free in any way shape or form and when you're burning propellent and that it it gets dispersed through the atmosphere the people that are on the ground they're breathing that [ __ ] and if breathe that [ __ ] that's the real danger the the real concern is not these artificial clouds the real concern is the fact that you're burning fuel in the sky at a rate of thousands and thousands of flights a day yeah that's what's going on there's a direct correlation between lung diseases and instances of asthma and all directly related to people living close to airports I mean that's that's the real Chemtrails I mean that's real there's really are burning fuel but it's just pollution it's not a special chemical
designed by the government who's the government like I like five guys all in a room we like don't tell the rest of reptile people're don't tell the rest of uh the planet but we've created a chemical that will make people want to fight because did you find it Jamie yeah I got to switch the back over here okay here it goes this is uh this is one of my most favorite Clips phenomena of chemtrails and you know when I was a kid I used to see these trails in the sky all the time and so oh that's cool a jet just went over and then you started to see a whole bunch of them and the next thing you know everybody in your neighborhood was fighting and arguing and you didn't know why okay and and you really didn't know why I mean everybody was fighting so he he started riffing about the Chemtrails and he started to say things that uh hit home so hard and I would recommend that everybody try to get what he said online or wherever and try to get a copy of it and just listen to it because the uh I was so moved that I had to write the song wait which song what song are you wri about Kim Jones first of all you leave if all the he if if that hits home move okay if that's if that hits home that these chem Trail these these planes are making people fight you need to move to a new home because your home is [ __ ] I want to hear this song I don't want to hear the song I love Prince he's got some great songs but he's a complex dude who's filled with emotions and yeah not a lot of critical thinking when it comes to things like this you know this the idea that somebody told him some nonsense and that you know all in his defense pre- interet that was a lot of the ways that information was shared I mean how many conversations have were having dude did you hear that the government's doing this thing and some of them some of them are so ridiculous they seem like conspiracies but are real like the gay bomb did you ever hear about the gay bomb uh I've heard things like it yeah yeah the government actively tried to figure out a way to make a bomb where they could ignite it in the air blow it up in the air detonate it rather and it would cause everyone on the ground to fall in love
with each other and be gay and that they would lose the will to fight right yeah that was like a real right plan but yeah before before the um the internet and like mobile phones you couldn't easily just like fact check stuff people Told You So urban legends I think were way easier to spread they still spread they still spread but but it's like if you would just bother to look it up you'd easily find that that's not true but when I was a kid the the thing with the girl and the hot dogs and that well it did happen it happened right hot dogs I'm just coming what story is this it's a little it's a little graphic but a girl get gets a hot dog stuck inside her right and it wasn't until I grew up that I started talking from people with people who grew up in different cities and they all knew the same story about this girl and it's like wait a second right this never happened or maybe it has happened but this wasn't something that happened in our my community yeah well that's the story when when someone ever when someone creates like a like even something that really happened like I had a buddy who um he's an opthalmologist and he did his residency in Miami during the cocaine years and uh he dealt with a lot of really crazy stuff like he saw gunshot wounds and all but he said by far the craziest things that were the most like wait what were people people with things stuck up their ass yeah and he said like everything you can imagine electric toothbrushes light bulbs like they pulled out of people's asses like if you can imagine it like the urban Legend's pale in comparison to the actual truth of pistols they found a pistol that was stuffed up this guy's ass yeah they stuffed a [ __ ] 38 caliber pistol in his ass if you think about fisting if someone can fist if you can fit that in your butt you can fit a lot of stuff fit a gun yeah yeah and did he do that for fun or was it a punishment or was he trying to like sneak the gun in somewhere good question I don't think he's going to be honest yeah why do you have a pistol up your ass well the government is paying me to keep this pistol in my ass I don't know you know but the reality of pistols in your ass that I mean that that's about as bizarre as the gerbal Richard Gear Geral
remember that right but when I first heard that story I had no way of confirming or denying it I it was just a story well I can give you a story on that story I don't know if it's true but what I had heard was that this was when Richard Gear had left Scientology and that one of the ways they got back at him was this how do you release that story though I don't know but my friend like to know I'd like to know too it might not even be true but my friend Eddie grew up in LA and I grew up in Boston and we met when we were both in our like 30s and we had both heard the same rumor growing up so somehow or another got across the continent that's that's what I'm saying I heard these rumor like I I I had friends who told me uh a story about a a famous uh Fried Chicken Place in Chicago and this woman like goes up there and orders a bunch of food like a lot like like eight chickens right right right and and there's this funny conversation that they have uh and it ends with the woman going you don't know my life and everyone told this like it you know I I was told that this happened in this like restaurant mhm 4 years later I'm driving around with this person who group in New York she tells me the same story and I'm like what is this just one of those things where everyone has a friend who saw this happen right which is really strange when you stop and think about the length of time between religious Stories being told over campfires and through oral traditions and then actually being written down somewhere yeah because if that story about the woman at the chicken restaurant which I didn't even tell very well but it's not even very funny but it's just that story was accepted as fact yeah a very specific fact that occurred at a specific restaurant and then I realize that it's just everyone has a friend who's had this experience well um Hawaii is incredibly fascinating to me uh one because it's just so beautiful and two because it's a volcano that just sort of popped out of The Middle the Pacific Ocean the most remote spot on earth in fact so remote yeah it's incredible I love it it's my favorite place to visit but when I was there I was talking to this guy I went on this um fishing trip and uh the guy who was the the captain
of the boat really cool guy was telling me about uh he he uh actually grew up uh in uh California and then made his way out to Hawaii and decided to stay there and we were talking about the local traditions and the local uh the the folklore involving like how the Islands were formed how the stars were formed and all their stuff was like in songs you know and their whole history was just oral tradition I mean it's a it's a people you know the Polynesian people who settled in Hawaii first a people whose entire history was this the these very very important stories that they told to each other but they never really wrote them down yeah incredible yeah and like the stars were sewn together by the go right and the maps they came up with were really really cool yeah um I was just uh talking to someone about how the the native New zealanders put South up in their Maps H right not North and so if you if you actually look at New Zealand upside down it looks like a fish and all this kind of thing uh and that's that's what they thought their land was it was this fish that was coming out of a boat or whatever it is um and then we came and said no no no North's the other way it doesn't look like a fish we decided up we decided that North was up yeah that's so subjective too you stop and think about like what's up and what's down like if the universe is this huge giant infinite thing and we're on a ball who you to say which way is up the whole thing's circular it's spinning it's spinning around another ball and that Ball's a part of a giant cluster that's spinning around a circle what the [ __ ] how do you know what up is which way's up I mean we can agree that it's got to be one of two places because there are poles that we that that we we spinning around yes but which one's North and which one's South meaning which one should we put up it's just a matter of convention that makes Maps easier to read if you try to read a upside down map which exists where all the letters can be read but the but the lands masses are upside down it's very confusing oh I'm sure but if you're standing in the South Pole up is above you that's up yeah and every direction you face is north North there is no East or West standing on the South Pole what yeah how's that
work well you've run out of east west because there's no there's no more there's no more circle around the earth now you're just at the a point oh I see and so yeah there's a famous puzzle about this and I think it goes something like a hunter walks um you know 10 ft South South and then 10 ft East and 10 ft North then he's back where he began what color was the bear he shot huh and the answer is white CU he's clearly at the North Pole that's the only way you could make you could do that walking like go south go east go north and you're back where you started it would have to be at the North Pole right but how could there not be in East because if you're standing let's say you're standing at the very point of the North Pole the very top if you travel east you can't you have to go South a little bit first before you could go east oh it's it's you couldn't just go sideways wouldn't that take you no that would be North oh I see oh I see what you're saying I'm say like East West requires a how far would you have to go though before you could go east a step yeah you'd have we'd have to Define what's the smallest amount of distance you could travel and still say that you moved H yeah because like I would say an inch or less like the tiniest amount and then you can go east yeah I mean we're if we measure millimeters and how how precisely are we measuring the the point that is the North or South Pole because if you're on that point your body's already bigger than the point so you could you know but you need to you need to get away from it so that you can go around what the what's going to happen maybe you can answer this maybe you can't what is going to happen if the poles shift I don't know I haven't I haven't actually read a lot about what that could cause it it could be like a Y2K thing where it's like no one even notices and they're like oh but it could messed stuff up I guess um I don't know I don't what about animals that that can detect uh magnetic fields and use it to navigate are they going to be all freaked out what animals do that I think some migratory birds do that's what they do they detect magnetic field yeah I think so what the [ __ ] like rather than having the same five typical senses we have they've got one for
magnets bizarre yeah how is that even possible that they they have a magnet in their head at tells them we're you know that's what like woodsmen always uh talk about like Real outdoorsmen the true north like having a good compass and also they use it as sort of an analogy to morals the ability to understand True North you know this moral compass that they have it's very similar to the the compass that an animal must have or a bird there are also cultures that don't have words for left and right everything is just a uh uh north south east or west really yeah so you would never say hey could you give me that thing that's on your left you would say oh could you give me that thing that's south of you what cultures are those I think it's an Aboriginal culture in Australia and so this is falls into the sapir Warth hypothesis that like the words that you have change how you can think and if you lived in a culture that did not have the a word for left and right are you like less individualistic because things aren't defined by you they're defined by the Earth it's either North or South h regardless of which way you face whereas in our society like left changes my left changes according to me and so therefore like individual people's perspectives matter and Define how I talk about things in the environment that's fascinating because left and right we associate with handedness whereas East and West is circum or you know position on the Mast East is always East no matter which way I face but left my left is changing but if you're facing if you're talking about stage right would you talk about West or would you talk about East uh oh well it would depend how which way the stage was built well like say well stage is a weird like like say if you were in a building yeah and then I said hey man um go go east would you need a compass no like they just always know which way North is it's because it's so important they don't have a word for left and right and I don't know how to answer this one but how do you describe left and right to some someone who has never heard of those Concepts well I try to with my kids you know I have a a six-year-old and a four-year-old and I try to describe left and right and uh my
daughter um one of the ways that I I mean this doesn't make any sense other than showing her is um I I say um make the letter L with your hand right and the one that looks like an L is your left no the one that points like say if it is it pointing if like this is what I say like if you're looking at me yeah and you're you're writing you know like say you're writing the the name of Laura yeah like where's your thumb pointing that's pointing towards your left and if you hold your hand up and your hand makes an L see where your your index finger that's the left that's the left yeah so this one's pointing to the left this one is the left but You' got to make sure that you're not looking at your hands with Palms facing you because then then the L is made by the right hand yeah so if you hold your hand up I guess and that is the L like it forms it that's the one that is the L so if you hold your hand up and you see an L in front of you that's the that's the left right and if it's holding your other hand up and it's making an L to the other person but that's confusing like get a little kid to write on a window like the one like uh steamy like if they're taking a shower write your name so that I could read it do they get that no they always write it the wrong way and then you got to show them how to do it the other way and they go okay but it's so squirly in their head it's like oh like it's like no no no I find that stuff fascinating how kids uh have to develop some of these uh ideas about the world like the the old uh um uh constancy of volume or what is it really called um uh things stay the way they are when you're not looking like a really small kid will even think that like when they don't see you you're gone like peekaboo is a really terrifying and and and amazing game to a child yeah like very I'm going talking like a baby right um but then uh look this up on on YouTube they they show an experiment where you take two different size containers one's really tall and skinny and one's short and fat and the tall skinny one's full of water and then they pour the water into the other container and they're like which one has more water like which one's bigger now and clearly the same amount of water is still there you just saw them pour the water no water was
taken away but a kid doesn't get that yet they think that oh well it's not nearly as tall this other glass so there must be less water and they'll Grill the kid like well where'd the water go and the kid won't even know but we insist that there's less water now because it looks smaller is that a perception thing like an animal thing like larger taller things or more dangerous yeah I'm sure I'm sure that it's it's like that's what matters and it takes a while to understand the the less needed for survival process of realizing oh that's actually stayed constant that kind of makes sense when you think about how animals will make themselves look bigger like they their hair sticks up on their back in order to give them a sense of or an appearance of having more mass yeah you know growing Bears will stand up on their hind legs and they tell people like if you're you you encounter certain animals like mountain lions you should make a make yourself look bigger like wave your arms get larger if you have someone with you like a child put them on your shoulder wow I make it look like it's a bigger bigger thing right yeah it's like like appear more of a a larger and that tricks the animal yeah they're dumb as [ __ ] yeah they're dumber than kids well it's fun to watch these kid experiments cuz you're like oh wow kids are dumb they they think that you know this is uh any any idiot could tell you well it's not that they're dumb it's that they haven't come across this problem yet to solve so they don't have the data yet exactly like there's a difference between dumb and a lack of data when you have a person and they're 50 years old and they still think that the world is flat and they still think the Earth is 6,000 years old and they still think well that's a dumb person that's like their the data they've processed exposed to the evidence they've been exposed to 50 years of Western civilization and their perceptions of Life are it's insane given the data that's available that's a dumb person but a baby is just this bundle of potential that just doesn't have any data yet and so like they're just acting on you know like what seems to make sense from uh an evolutionary standpoint or from a genetic standpoint yeah they're animal
instincts very bizarre yeah the idea also the idea that this is all changing and growing and then your children will have the benefit of the information that you've accumulated over your life like through epigenetics and it's going to somehow or another pass to your children and they'll I don't know about that I don't know about that either H well they say that certain things like even racism can be passed down to Children you mean genetically genetically chemically yeah I don't I haven't seen a lot of evidence for that kind of stuff but there was a famous experiment where a guy taught worms to move through a maze and then he like ground them up and fed them to some other worms and those worms like knew how to solve the maze without having to be taught but it's never been replicated but wouldn't that be cool if we found out that there was like a chemical basis for memory that would be amazing yeah well they have shown that um they've taken I believe it was mice and they used a certain smell and when that certain smell was introduced to the mice they gave them a chemical shock or they gave them an electrical shock on their feet and the children of those mice when exposed to that smell like a citrusy smell they would have a panic attack really they would have this panicky moment where they anticipated being shocked huh because it was programmed to their DNA that that smell equals danger that smell equals pain or discomfort right yeah so so that's different than just natural selection where you say well the the the mice that just naturally didn't like that smell were the ones that lived longer procreated more and so that's why well I think that's probably true as well yeah I think it's one of those things like when we're talking about conspiracies you know well people can it just be a random coincidence yes it can be but there's also evidence that people conspire right so there's both and we have this tendency to want to wrap things up in a nice neat little bow so the the concept of natural selection well there's natural selection it's a very simple to explain it's natural selection no natural selection is a factor that's also a fact it's not like it's non-existent no that happens as well but then there's also this weirdness there's
this weirdness where information is transferred like I've done jiujitsu since I was since 1996 is when I started so in and I've also been a commentator for more than a thousand professional fights I've probably seen more mixed martial arts fights than most of the population ever will right in real life too and my kids when I watch them roll around when I watch them play especially my youngest she has instinctive moves that I don't think are natural moves like when they're rolling around my my like there's a thing called the over under and it's what you do when you when you take someone's back taking someone's back is you gain an advantageous position by being behind them and controlling their body in a way that they can't attack you but you can attack them you're forced into a very defensive position and they're in a very dominant spot and the over under is one arm over shoulder one I'm under the armpit and you clasp your hands together and it's a very dominant mode of control but it's not I don't think it's instinctual but my daughter goes to it immediately when my daughter who's who was three at the time when she was rolling around playing on the bed with my my um at the time 5-year-old she would go over under all the time and then she would throw her legs around and get her hooks in huh like instinctually I didn't teach her to do it these are these are like traditional Jiu-Jitsu positions and I think that it's in her DNA I really do I I watch her TI the mount I watch her like go from side control to the Mount she slid her knee across the belly she did it like Jiu-Jitsu style like I don't think that that's a natural thing to have like a for a baby to have to do some more experiments take a look at her genome I really think that it's instinctual and also like I've teaching them striking and the way they learn it is like they're they're learning it like they already knew it it's really weird they're learning like pivoting off the ball of their feet and throwing their weight into things it seems totally natural to them it's very strange I if you catch people young enough they're still plastic enough that they they'll just get it uh like language for instance you know I learned English how long did it take me to learn
English how long maybe two years till you started talking right yeah like when was I fluent enough that someone would say like yeah you'd pass a test well it's also there a weird thing where people say that their youngest learns quicker because the youngest is around only adults so the youngest is sort of like forced to like try to be like the things that they're around whereas the oldest has younger people around exactly whereas if you're uh or not the youngest I mean like the firstborn right not the youngest I should say uh learns quickest whereas the um the ones that are born later they have all these little people that talk you know like babies around and so it takes them a little longer to figure out how to communicate like an adult yeah the firstborn was like oh I'm the only kid here a better pick it up yeah you have to be like you have to imitate Your Atmosphere yeah were you were you a firstborn do you have siblings yes I have an older a younger sister okay me too I have a younger sister dude we're like wow crazy we're probably the only ones probably the only two guys who have younger sisters who would have thought uh yeah I'm going to have to pee again how this is incredible you can do it yeah I can do it yeah go ahead go pee you promise you're not going you're going to judge me when I leave and say look at that guy he just can't even dud I think you're awesome slave to his if I judge you it would be highly good okay good good excellent so we'll um we only have about 15 minutes left anyway before we turn into a pumpkin this is a fascinating conversation and if you're high as [ __ ] right now I'm sorry I'm sorry for freaking you out man um these kind of conversations are always really cool though whenever you're you're uh involved in a conversation where you're you know sitting with someone who you've never talked to before and you start uh going over weird [ __ ] like genetics and what causes a person to be this and that and what what what are the steps that you take to become a a human being and it's also like a rudimentary knowledge of what how how he like when he was talking about uh we're we're talking about learn things and how much of it is natur selection and then you
find out things like the the mouse test where they they know that mice associate that sense of smell that's smelling that thing with an electrical shock even though these mice have never experienced that electrical shock it was their parents doing it like that's pretty clear evidence that there's something being transmitted through genetics whatever it is they don't know but we'll know someday someday we'll be like oh well that's yeah they definitely like we found we've isolated the genes that cause people to trans transm MIT certain bits of information to their children that are useful like right now we're we're not much different than the people that we mock from a long time ago that thought that the Earth was the center of the universe you know like the the amount of information that we have I was just saying that as you're back from your potty break ah feels so much better I'm sure the the amount of information that we have today is kind of akin to like we we we mock like people that lived in Galileo's time for not knowing that he was correct that the Earth was not the center of the universe you know we're like God how they po they tortured the poor guy you know or or Bruno for saying that the the universe is infinite they burned him alive right right you know we think God they're so stupid but what we know now whenever you're alive at that point in time is the the greatest moment of knowledge in human history yeah it is right yeah and you think oh wow I'm so glad I'm here and not in the past but well not giving and taking collapses of civilizations which is another story entirely well yeah it's a little more complicated but yeah but yeah it's not linear entirely but it's kind of like an up and down up and and it's Progressive so like at this point in time you know we're talking about information being transferred from parents to children and we're like I wonder I wonder maybe natural selection I want but we don't we don't know one day whether it's a thousand years from now or whatever it is they're going to go oh those dummies they didn't even know I know look at this we've got audio recording of Michael Stevens saying I don't know I think I think so maybe natural selection and they're like that idiot yeah [ __ ]
Prince he thinks that they're spraying [ __ ] over the ghetto and making people fight duh but you know it's just a it's just one of those things information progresses we'll find out that that this lava lamp by the way is huge that's in this room it takes a long time to warm up huh yeah well there podcast is almost 3 hours old and Jamie you probably switched it on half hour before the show yeah takes a few hours but look at the little one little one's up and cooking that's cooking really well wow that's a great lava lamp this big one um never really gets going we need to shut you have to leave it on all all day yeah but then [ __ ] could go wrong yeah we had one that had a crack in it oh yeah we noticed it we're like is that a crack and we had like you know lava lamps are are used to Generate random numbers and they can generate them very very well they're very difficult to um find patterns in the if you I don't know how they do it but they they'll look at the shapes in and movement of a lava lamp and that'll generate numbers and they don't have patterns in them really yeah so you know you can go to like random.org I just did an episode on what really is random and random.org uses atmospheric noise just noise in the atmosphere like radiostatic to generate numbers pretty good lava lamps there used to be a website that had a lava lamp and you would type in give me a random number and it would because based on the state of the lava lamp give you a random number uh so if you watched a lava lamp so if we had that lava lamp on and we maintain the same amount of heat coming off of the light bulb and the same water temperature and the yeah but but you don't though that's that's what makes it so Random the the the initial conditions are so difficult to know precisely enough to predict which way it's going to float the temperature we only know the temperature to like a few degrees you know uh or or a tenth of a degree but that that millionth of a degree difference is what's going to make it move now rather than NE than in the next second you would it be possible to make an ultimate lava lamp that was incredibly precise so the amount of heat that comes off of the bulb was like really precise the amount the temperature of the water was incredibly stable the consistency of the wax was
uniform throughout and that you set this like perfectly measured lava lamp with the glass being the exact same diameter or the exact same thickness rather over the entire circumference of the of the bottle that holds the water and the wax in would it be possible to make an ultimate precise lava lamp well it would you you could predict it better I still don't think that it would be precise like symmetric all the time unless you put in special controls that like didn't release the wax until it was ready or whatever is it the ra the wax moving up and down through the wall water which changes the temperature of of the wax because it's not in contact with the heat at the bottom what are you asking what makes it so unpredictable yeah yeah it's just like every little movement of those blobs is affecting all the other molecules inside that system and those are affecting how something moves later it's like the butterfly flap in its wings causing a tornado in Brazil you know yeah but that doesn't really work that way that's like sort of Dopey I hate that butter the butterfly flapping in the wings of a butterfly eventually lead to be a hurricane no it can't really because weather WEA patterns that cause that right we're not going to be able to know like hey have that butterfly flap its wings that'll cause a tornado it's just the point is that that little difference in initial conditions could result in a completely dramatically different outcome you can do this with a double pendulum and it's pretty insane you you you you put two pendulums up and you release them and it feels like you dropped them from the same place and you can use a robot to do and everything but after just a few seconds they're both spinning completely differently from one another it doesn't mean that the butterfly will always be causing tornadoes it just means that you you you you have no idea how many variables are are are involved and and one little thing changes another little thing and that can cause an end result that is way bigger and way more different than if the butterfly hadn't flapped its wings really so a butterfly flapping its wings really can put into motion a chain of events that could lead to a changing of a weather P weather pattern oh yeah yeah
really what does a butterfly effect when it flaps its wings this is more of like a yeah it this isn't like we've studied it and we found a butterfly and we blamed him for Hurricane Sandy butterfly yeah it's more like the the principle is that a that little tiny um movement of air caused some larger mass of air to actually you know move a bit more and and and this all stair steps up to the point where the hurricane Could Happen another example would be knowing the position of the Earth in in billions of years or just millions of years hundreds of thousands we could only really predict where it's going to be and and and where all the other planets will be so far into the future and even though those systems are pretty you know it's going in a circle around the Sun like that's it right we should be able to guess right but at a certain point we don't know we don't have enough information uh just just launching a satellite causes the Earth to spin a little more slowly changes its position a little bit really just this the the idea something pushing off yeah yeah Neil degross Tyson did a great calculation in his book um death by black hole I think uh where he says yeah just just what it took to send up that satellite that never comes back down means that Earth is going to be a few degrees in some different direction in a million years and we don't know which direction that's going to be unless we unless we have an incredible amount of information about that satellite and how it affected earth when it left so every single piece plays A Part there every single variable every movement plays a part in the ultimate end result totally yeah and that's what makes the weather so so difficult to predict [ __ ] butterflies and [ __ ] and lava lamps [ __ ] up lightning storms yeah wow you know what always trips me out that ancient people were able to figure out the procession of the Equinox right like every day they were just like checking like yeah yeah same time of day somehow I knew that it was the same time time of day and I marked it or maybe what do they do they just watch and see where the sun was when it was at its highest point make a little Mark somehow
and then they realize hey it's going in this like Loop thing well not only that the loop isn't it like thousands of years like the Wobble the full wobble oh right right like what is the amount of know actually it's it's a really long amount of time th let's see procession the equinoxes [Music] procession um I want I want to say it's thousands of years but I don't remember the exact 20 26,000 year cycle wow so they figured out a 26,000 year cycle a pretty good measurement T [ __ ] did they do that a change year toe that was just 126,000 that's one of the ways that these um a lot of these um revisionists of ancient Egyptian history point to the possibility besides the erosion of the Sphinx point to the possibility the Sphinx is far older than we think it is um is that at 10,500 BC it was pointing towards the constellation Leo that this lion was representative of this this constellation that has sort of been universally described as being associated with a lion because of its shape okay and this is the reason why they believe that 10,000 F besides the fact that there's all this water erosion around the Sphinx that can only be attributed to thousands of years of rainfall and the last time there was rainfall in the Nile value was 9,000 BC which they think you know they think that they want to attribute to the Sphinx to the same people that they believe built the pyramids which is about 2,500 BC but they think that actually there might have been many many many older kingdoms like there's hieroglyphs apparently that date back to 34,000 BC I don't know any of this yeah they they date back as far as their descriptions not as far as like the actual carbon dating oh I see and that their Des I of pharaohs go back thousands and thousands of years and so they get to a certain point in time the egyptologists go well that was just fiction yeah you know we believe in Ramsay we believe in you know tutmosis we believe in all these different cats but this oldest stuff that was just Rous yeah that was just horeshit it was made up yeah but if the the revisionist historians are correct and the geological evidence is is really fascinating especially when it comes to this like a guy named Dr Ron shock uh
Robert shock uh from the um univers Boston University yeah Boston University he's a geologist and he's the one who sort of spearheaded this whole thing about the Sphinx because he's um he's a geologist and he's like this is clear water erosion around the Sphinx and um they uh they think that if that is the case then these Stones had to be cut way way earlier than 2500 really I need to look into all this sounds fascinating and this procession of the Equinox is this 26,000 year cycle the wobble you know the IDE is that the Earth spins for folks who don't know what we're talking about it doesn't spin in a perfect circle it kind of has a little wiggle to it and every 20 sort of like a top and every 26,000 years that wiggle is completed so the sky looks differently through the entire 26,000 year cycle right and that's that's one of the things that they point to this this constellation Leo at 10,500 BC aligning itself with the Sphinx also coincidentally lines up the 10,500 BC lines up pretty close to what they believe 12,000 years ago was a massive asteroidal impact all over the Earth like this nuclear glass I think it's called Triton you know that stuff that they find the the they do core samples and they find it at 12,000 years all over the place it's evidence of a big imp not just a big but multiple okay meteor impacts meteor showers that could have led to the um Extinction of saber 2 tigers woolly mammoths all these different animals that died off at a very s very similar time period 60% I think of all land mammals died off during that one time H yeah F so what's what's the theory that like humans survived and some did we didn't have as many predators or no no the theory is that just this huge Interruption of life um this massive meteor shower that they found all throughout Europe and Asia this nuclear glass that's very similar to uh the the uh the type of glass that they find after nuclear detonation tests that this nuclear glass which exists all over the place is indicative of massive impacts that something happened like and it's not in one spot it's in multiple spots all over the place at the same time much more likely to be a meteor shower than anything else and that that probably was also the cause of the end of the Ice Age that's what uh you know
at 12,000 years ago more than half of North America was covered in a mile high sheet of ice and so they think that what caused that stuff to rapidly change was most likely the same thing that caused this nuclear glass to be all over the place which is a big mind [ __ ] and also coincides with when the Sphinx was around that you know it could be that there was a fairly Advanced civilization at that point in time slammed with meteor showers massive amounts of people die and then they sort of have to rebuild and they kind of learn like what it took them a few thousand years to get back on their feet and then you know few thousand years later they're building the pyramids again I'll have to look into these stories that sounds really interesting and also falls right in line with that whole what do you do when you have to start all over again how long does it take to get back up to where you were before yeah well the idea that it's been a linear linear progression complete linear progression straight line from caveman to us seems a little silly when you see all the impacts that we know for sure happened you know when you look at the Clovis Comet when you look at all the the the different the hollene crater all these different impacts that they know happened they know that this you know look at the Moon this it's a it's goddamn Shooting Gallery there's things happen and when things do happen all these stories like the Noah's Arc story Epic of Gilgamesh all the different cataclysmic events that have been documented through folklore most likely some [ __ ] went down and that's the idea that that's what freaks me out about hard drives that's what freaks me out about the idea of everything being stored on computers yeah including this podcast including this podcast yeah imagine if someone had to tell this podcast in an oral tradition someone had to take the information that we discussed in this podcast and describe it yeah cuz they couldn't play the file but they heard it before they heard it before but they butchered it it wasn't Prince it was James Brown and and you know all the all the various things that we talked about get all screwed up right but still attributed to us yeah yeah
yeah but you would be like some information God from the future they' remember this the part about you going into the past and they would butcher that he who pees a lot yeah yeah he had a problem with his BL they wouldn't forget that part no yeah if you really stop and think we're in the process of something we're right in the middle or not even we're just well we're in the middle in in that it's going on but it's constantly going on it was going on when there were single cell organisms it was going on when the Star supernova to create carbon which created carbon based life which created us which created everything that came before us which going to create everything that comes from us yeah that would be if if I could see something I would I don't think if I had a choice between going a million years in the future or a million years in the past just for a visual glimpse a million years in the past is pretty fascinating but a million years in the future to see what a human being looks like a million years from now yeah that's what I would want how different would we be I mean we have we can change our own bodies a lot more now uh and we've made changes unnecessary in a way because we can you we have climate control old buildings and we have vehicles and we have medical care that can keep things the way they are better than we had three million years ago better than we had 300 years ago yeah so what is a human going to look like in a million years I I would guess not that different biologically but we'll be doing some pretty crazy stuff I would guess radically different yeah yeah I think think physically we're very different from people that just lived a couple hundred years ago because of nutrition sure you look at how tiny people were oh my God that's what's really weird when you see how Little Folks were like the average size of people that were fighting in the Civil War was like 125 lbs wow that was an average man wow they were tiny little dudes like people are like 80 l pounds bigger on average now right which is really pretty substantial yeah but I think that the real change is going to come with our integration of technology in our lives uhhuh and the symbiotic
relationship that we have with this technology which now you leave your phone behind you feel naked eventually it's going to be something much more integrated yeah I think that's where things are going to get really squirly I think where people are going to start to become connected inexorably with this technology aliens bro that's what we're going to look like we're going to look like yeah aliens to us yeah think about it we ruin our atmosphere okay we we [ __ ] holes in the O ozone layer you need permanent sunglasses so what do those big black eyes those are giant sunglasses are built in your head no longer need to move things physically because we can do things with telekinesis we have giant heads because our brains are going to grow the same way the human brain size doubled over a period of two million years in you know ancient Proto hominids right our brains are huge compared to our body size yeah I mean a whale brain is way bigger than our brain but whales are also huge and they need um all of that for all those extra nerves but in our little bodies we've got a huge brain it's off the charts yeah yeah and used to be smaller mhm in other other primates and whatever we came became you know however we became people that doubling of the human brain size is a massive mystery right aliens we're going to look like aliens we're going to have these big Goofy beach ball heads little skinny bodies and they're going to be able to manipulate matter boy this [ __ ] conversation got stupid I blame me I think you were responsible for Science and I I took us to the what if Stoner stuff I was like what yeah what if we yeah we wind up looking like aliens I think we if you think about like a a gorilla yeah or an ape or whatever monkey type animal we used to be and this is this big stipulation people say oh you shouldn't say monkeys you know people aren't monkeys or Apes uh actually no we're all monkeys this is how it goes um all apes are monkeys but not all monkeys are Apes is that true I don't know yes just like all humans are Apes but not all apes are humans monkeyy is not a real scientific term ah so when you say something's a monkey like oh monkeys have tails No Monkeys aren't even real they're simeons so people who are who like anal and correct you on
that tell them [ __ ] off [ __ ] off grammar police you're incorrect I like that it's like it's like uh is a um what's a vegetable scientifically because really I think vegetabl is just a madeup word for any other part of the plant anything's a vegetable that's not a fruit really yeah well cuz fruit has a scientific definition right it Bears the seeds and it contains you know the the energy the food the the seeds need uh but a vegetable is just you know it's the root in some cases it's the leaves in another case it's the trunk in another case what you eat is the vegetable right vegetable matter plant matter yeah yeah yeah so again it's like I can't tell you whether it's a vegetable or not it's just up to like what the chefs say like tomatoes yeah those are fruits yeah they're fruits bananas are are fruits but but modern bananas don't have seeds and they're they're not fertile they're not going to grow you a banana tree so should we still call it a fruit well from a call perspective it's pretty fruity so we'll call it a fruit it's fascinating stuff we're out of time we could do this forever though I think you and I can have these conversations until our heads explode yeah I think so until we become alien until my bladder explodes yeah your bladder's not that good dude you need to work but you drank two big things of water while you're sitting yeah I know come on give me some credit like I had both of those and I I had one before we even started I'm a hydrated guy it's very good to be you're very smart good it's good to be morning my urine was a bit dark oh so I really I was like nope got to drink some water were you flying in no I've been here for a few days were you boozing it up no you drinking a lot of coffee yeah that could be it yeah energy drinks too those can really those will [ __ ] you up those will really dehydrate and those aren't good those make me pee more than anything I could drink coffee and be fine but if I drink one Red Bull I got to pee yeah Fascinating People don't care about my pee listen you're but they do care about mine your YouTube channel is awesome and it's been an honor to have you on the show man I really really appreciate it it's really cool talking to you it's an honor to be here and uh it's so I just
think it's so cool that something like what color is a mirror has 10 million views on YouTube yeah and that's not it's not like a standup routine it's I really do get into the the physics of of reflection and uh why the answer is kind of green and it's it's an amazing YouTube channel and I found it out because of someone from Twitter so whoever you were on Twitter that turned me on to Michael thank you so much because uh I've learned a lot and been entertained and educated by your videos and I think everybody else should as well so it's Vsauce VSA u c on Twitter and it's tweet sauce tweet sauce tweet sauce on Twitter B sauce on YouTube Excuse me yeah V sauce on YouTube tweet sauce on Twitter Michael Stevens thank you sir pleas been a pleasure uh thank you everybody thanks to all our sponsors thanks to Blue Apron for uh for being awesome and uh you can benefit from Blue Apron as well if you go to blueapron.com Rogan you will get two free meals just go in there blueapron.com Rogan thanks also to on it.com that is o nni t use the code word Rogan and you will save 10% off any and all supplements we'll be back on Saturday a special Saturday edition of the podcast with my pal Abby Martin from RT she'll be here and uh that's it until then enjoy your life my friends big kiss [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] mAh