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oh you know the read the book commercials like my whole life i' always heard that [ __ ] and I was like I'm going to get the Audi book of Dianetics I bet that shit's whack and highly recommended just for wackiness for wackiness but by the end of it you're like hm you know that's what's [ __ ] up about it is like the the concept of what because I guess dianic like I'm I'm kind of obsessed of Scientology because it's so [ __ ] [ __ ] in one way in one sense to me but in the other sense like because it's so serious and all the craziness you hear about so I've like read I've like really looked into it Elon Hubbert and you know about Excalibur do you know about that what is Excalibur okay he he wrote a book called Excalibur supposedly the big rumor is is that this book there was like the foreshadowing for Scientology mhm and uh and that that like he tried to get it published and like three or four people that read it committed suicide so he like locked it in a vault and there's like one copy of it and no one ever knows where that is but that was like where Scientology was born from so like I'm so fascinated by so like dianic was his new book like that he wrote he's like wait I've got it figured out like it's it's more like this and and kind of like so Dix was kind of like the way of introducing what was in the x-calibur to like the the mass population it's pretty fascinating that sounds like one of those uh in the mouth of Madness type like the John Carpenter book where people the movie where the guy wrote a book and a bunch of people were killing themselves and going crazy and murdering people Sam Neil Sam Neil was in it right yeah that was exactly that's what the whole rumor about it is and if you've seen the master uh with uh Philip Seymour Hoffman when he played like the alron hubard guy he he had a book in that it was called like the sword or something instead of excaliber but but like uh yeah supposedly he like showed it to a bunch of people and they like went crazy and apparently what the book is about and I don't mean to like derail our entire conversation in this direction but don't worry there's no derailing it's just a conversation this is the kind of [ __ ] I like to talk about you know what saying like me too man the supposedly there's
um what the whole concept was was about the mob mentality and breaking that apart so like that that no matter what everyone is is really always alone no matter if they're in a group but when they're in a group they act a certain way that's different so there's like there's there's supposedly there's a guy being hung there's a scene in it where there's a guy being hung and then there's the mob that wants him hung and it goes and like analyzes like the people in the mob and then analyzes the Executioner analyzes the guy who's getting hung like I don't know you know I'm I'm very fascinated with that that kind of like psychology and it's what that's why the whole you know uh Scientology thing to me is so fascinating because I'm like how do these people they pay money to join this [ __ ] club that's like you know real it's real like AA and all that stuff in the sense that it's like you know your new friends and your old friends and they have like they assign people to you and then eventually you kind of weed out all those other people but the whole concept of it is is taking the whole concept of dianic is taking like when you're a little kid and a dog bites you and then for the rest of your life you're scared of dogs like the concept behind Dione XS is that they can take the memory what they call a reactive memory which is like the dog thing and they can turn it into a like a regular memory so that you won't like get rid get rid of all of those kind of little things that [ __ ] you up through life that's what the concept of clear is and so that so that when when you those things become you're not reactive anymore so if like you you hate your dad and then for that reason you like react certain way to people your whole life like you can you can get that out of there so you'll never like act uncalm you know what I mean yeah but then you have to pay them a lot of money to have an auditor to go through your life and figure all that [ __ ] out for you that's where they make all their cash well they give you give them a certain percentage of your income right it's just like tithing like tithing in a regular church I think you give them 10% especially at the highest levels really see I didn't even know that that's yeah tithing is a big one that's a big one with religions
that's the way they get you well I knew that I knew that with the other ones but I didn't know that there was a there was like a tithing process I I I didn't I know that they do a lot of things like I used to rehearse I've been here I've been living here 15 years and my old band we used to rehearse on Hollywood and Vine in this place and there was a daycare next door and someone told us later Hollywood and Vine yeah right yeah [ __ ] right it was like do you remember well know it's right across the street from the elron hubard exhibit and all that like on iar like on that side okay and uh and somebody's like yeah that's a Scientology daycare they're like real Hush Hush about it but it's it's Scientology so like you know like there a lot of that [ __ ] going down I'm probably going to get murdered tonight no you'll be fine Scientology has become such a joke the last few years if this was 20 years ago you'd have an issue but the internet has sort of exposed them in a way that's made them seem so Preposterous like seriously Preposterous it's funny though it's well they have that big uh Psychiatry kills thing too that big exhibit is that on Sunset 2 or is it where the [ __ ] is that hey is that what that is yeah that's exactly what that is it's it's on is it on sunet or Hollywood there's Mac store that I buy hard drives and I saw that across the street I didn't know that was a I didn't know Scientology wow I got to go in there and check that out you know CU they don't believe in that and they don't believe in a lot of medicines but in certain ways like I can sign I kind of see their point in certain ways like I mean I've been I've talked to psychologists before in my life I mean I went to one for like relationship counseling and and of course like it becomes like they want to talk about you and I'm like I'm the kind of guy who's like I don't like whatever problems and issues I've had in my life I work through them like I've never needed I've never seen the need to really kind of I don't know I'm I'm like an angry guy there's that [ __ ] I'm angry at from when I was little I've kind of dealt with all that you know what I mean but so sometimes when I see Scientology like Tom Cruz being like screw all that stuff I'm like yeah Tom Cruz I'm like that's cool even though you're weird you know
but you invited him to your show yesterday to me records I know I did I saw that online it's like you you too come on down come on down Tom Cruz I want to talk to you about your [ __ ] magic yeah that was I was like Joe Rogan and I was real serious about the other three you you and B Ray Cyrus and Marilyn Manson it's like come on down like Tom Cruz that would have been odd if he showed up it would have been awesome I need to talk to you stop being so glib have you seen the guy on and I'm supposed not like this guy because he did he did diss my best friend and manager which is not cool but besides that previous to that when before it got sticky there's a guy on Twitter named not ton Cruz do you know this guy dude he's hilarious he he just talks about he's like blowing rails with Britney Spears all day long and driving down like he's just talking about being coked out his face and like how he's like Scientology rules and he's like looking for [ __ ] and like hanging out with you know Travolta and doing rails and [ __ ] he keeps graduating he's like I think that their stance against Psychiatry it's it's they've got some good points but there's it's like all things this probably it's not a complete black and white issue it's not like psychiatric drugs are all bad or that anti-depressants are all bad cuz I personally know people that were like close to Suicide man yes oh yeah I agree I agree with that too I think that that that stuff is good it can be good can be but it can also be a crutch you know in that way and I think a lot of times man here's the here's the thing I have a like one of my dearest friends guy who worked for me I'm not trying to be a downer with this but his brother this guy Fen Miller who actually co-wrote one of the songs on this George record and dude I walked out of my house without my vinyl I have a stack of vinyls for you so we're this means we have to hang out oh we hang out man it be happy to um but uh Fen Miller co-wrote uh living in a minor key which is on the George record and and faren worked for me for nine years still does but he's in a band now and he's doing awesome his brother was on those those medicines and and stopped hard like cold turkey killed himself W CU it went just crazy you know what I mean so like you have to like that you
have to really really be responsible with the psych like those kind of drugs that change your mental you know and sometimes like you said sometimes it does wonders for people and it changes their life and then sometimes it can be really damaging so you know you have to be careful but at the same time Scientology they're like no drug stance like I don't know yeah I don't think that's responsible either I think there's a reason why they've come up with a lot of these drugs and some people have benefited tremendously there's people that just have natural chemical imbalances in their brain and the idea that someone who doesn't know how your brain works can say you know oh you don't need it because I don't need it or you don't need it because Mike doesn't need it Tom Cruz doesn't need it so you know John [ __ ] over here he doesn't need it either that's crazy some people benefit from them tremendously and sometimes they can use you can use those things as a bridge like you got really tough times in your life you can use these psychiatric drugs as a bridge and then get to a healthy place and then wean yourself off like get your life in order I've read stuff about people doing that too I don't necessarily think they're all bad but I think that I agree I don't think they there's a lot of people that don't take care of themselves and then just they get depressed they just take a pill and then now they're better well um maybe not maybe you would have been better off if you started eating better and maybe stop drinking as much and do a little bit of exercise every now and then and probably you'd feel better yeah it would help you know so I I and also the the Scientology thing like when you see a guy like Tom Cruz who is undeniably wacky but also undeniably successful the guy is uh always positive like he does these interviews he's got a lot of great energy it's like man there's a benefit to that there's definitely something to that and there's definitely something to that and especially when you get a guy who's in that much I mean that much power and has that has had that much success you know and in has that much influence like I mean you know either they're like I know that they treat him like like he's the he's the like you know elron hubard Jr or something so I'm
sure he he's loving that side of it but the reality is is like he for him to have stuck by it I mean there's got to be something to I mean like I said if you the audio book of dianic as funny as that is it is it is so fascinating because it explains why he's always in a [ __ ] good mood all the time it's like he's like I'm really good at this clear thing you know he's like he's really figured it out and he's like really happy all the time and no you know who knows he might be or you know he might just shut the door when the day is done and [ __ ] whale and scream and [ __ ] fish all over the ground flopping around like a [ __ ] animal I mean you know guys like that right I have a couple friends where I'm like somebody's getting beat somewhere on this guy cuz they're so nice you know somewhere he's going home [ __ ] punching somebody's lights out you know well there's people that you can tell they're holding back and you can tell yeah okay all right fine you know and you tell as soon as this guy gets away he's going to [ __ ] do something crazy like there's some people that are actually and there's some people you can tell they're keeping it together but there's a monster inside just raging at the cage trying to [ __ ] get out yeah that's uncomfortable when you you like you know if you tried to explain to someone you're like well listen everything he said was good he uh he used all the right words he was very but I knew this [ __ ] was hating it inside and they'd be like oh that's just your perception sir I mean you can't prove that no you can't but everybody knows that one dude that's like that yeah of course man it's like yeah it's so funny it's true though my next door neighbor in my old house was a Scientologist he's a nice guy super nice guy why why be a Scientologist when you're just some guy like that's what I want to know CU they worship actors and they worship that so why I think they worship the actors and uh they worship artists because that influences others to become Scientologist I think that's the strategy you know that's right I mean yeah they and and they it's about you know they kind of deify like like anyone who does any kind of art as as kind of a superior being well in a way like listen okay I'm a Shooter Jennings fan if if I
found out that Shooter Jennings is really into Scientology I go oh well that guy's cool man maybe the [ __ ] is up with this and then you start reading into it and you go oh I see so it keeps him positive and that keeps him putting out badass music oh okay okay maybe I'll [ __ ] try this and that's all you need like Scientology man look Tom is a bad [ __ ] Okay Tom Cruz doesn't take any drugs Tom Cruz drinks water every day Tom Cruz runs marathons Tom Cruz is a [ __ ] beast I want to be like Tom Cruz and next thing you know you're [ __ ] holding on to these Campbell Soup cans that are attached with little wires and they're ottering you yes have you ever done that no have you done it did yeah I did it really yeah yeah yeah well I'll do it with you I would love to do it I I I'll do it in a heartbeat I don't know if they would take me in now I mean you have to have someone who doesn't know who you are and I definitely found a dude who didn't know who I who the guy was in his late 50s did you just walk in I was it was on in um San Diego um I was down there filming for this TV show that I was doing on CVS called uh game show in my head where we put uh these um little uh earpieces in someone so I could talk to them and then I gave them like tasks that they had to go do like they had to sell water to people that came out of a hose like they to do a bunch of like wacky [ __ ] they had to convince people to to tell they had to play a fake news reporter and convince people to tell them they had been abducted by aliens and all this different Rocky [ __ ] uh but while we were there we were filming they had this dynetic setup cuz it was in this outside public place where a lot of foot traffic was so they had the dynetic set up and they had their e- meteor or whatever they call is that what they call it and it's it's like two cans it looks like two like things that you look like a Campbell Soup can that you took the wrapper off and it's connected with these strings and so literally the Campbell Soup can with the yarn yeah hold of this and so I did it and the guy wasn't very compelling he wasn't that good at it but uh I I got to ask him all sorts of questions and read into it and they gave me some brochures or something like that tried to get me to go down there what what what when he did the
auditing though I mean do they how far do they they don't really I'm sure because they're trying to convince someone to come back that they're not going to start delving into like real personal [ __ ] but I'm sure like like what do you do what kind of questions they I don't remember cuz it was very unremarkable I remember I was baked which is part of the which is why I was willing to do it in the first place cuz otherwise I would have probably just hovered and watched other people do it but uh I you know was dumb questions like dumb questions about your childhood are you happy with your career you know you're happy in your relationship you know and they just get a reading on you allegedly from this non-scientific you know measuring instrument yeah it's just so wacky that's so wacky so I see we could spend the whole thing talking about this because it's so it's one of those things where like there's a bunch of people in on a joke MH you know and you're like just wanting someone to say okay we're just [ __ ] with you it's fine but no one does you know what I mean well those belief systems the thing about having those belief systems is that they're very empowering for people who believe in them like if you if you look at it and go wait a minute wait a minute [ __ ] planet zenu really yeah you know that shit's insane like I'm reading about uh this after you brought up xcaliber what you're talking about it I pulled up that website that mock Scientology Zen new.net oh I've never been there but this is not going to be my favorite site prob they have everything they have they have the entire Scientology like like what everything about what they believe all like the operating things manual I grabbed that Wikileaks and was like looking at that is operating operating thon's manual like level three which is apparently where I guess Tom Cruz is like four or five or six or something but he was three a couple years like they have different manuals you know so he was three a couple years ago and now he's four five six I don't know where he's at I I haven't been keeping up with his level what rank he's at but I know he's ranked up cuz they've like given him they made up some new award for him and did you ever see that video that
leaked where he's like using all this stuff that was like they made up this they made up this thing they'd never had before like guarding know the Galaxy award you know and they like gave it to him and he was like he's like saying all that [ __ ] that made no sense and using all their words and stuff you know that leak to the internet and people put music to it and [ __ ] it's gorgeous yeah it's so good it's a work of art it is it is man I mean almost it is almost like like something that you would you'd see from some artist who's doing some like [ __ ] piece you know where he's man that'd be so brilliant if like he just all of a sudden flipped and told everybody everything yeah I've been just listen it helps my acting if I could pretend to really be into Scientology for this long it's like The Dumb and Dumber mve the new one coming out have you seen the preview before no no I haven't oh my God it's genius but there's like a there's like a whole thing where Jim car character's car charact car's character is like in a insane asylum over this over that chick the Mary Samsonite as they called her from the first one and then it turns out he was like joking like for for like 20 years and get Lloyd he's like Lloyd you're mean to tell me that you've been you've been faking for 20 years all for a gag and he's like yep it's like that it'd be amazing if he did that that's the only way a good politician would work the only way that you could have a president in this country that was actually going to care about the people is they'd have to lie their way from the beginning to the Amendment they get in office and they have to flip and then you would have to also have a cabinet that was in on the LIE like You' have to have everybody with you that was working with you like okay we're just [ __ ] around we're going to get in there and we're going to just change see that would you'd never be able to get it you'd never be able to trust another person yeah I think this the system is so far rigged though that it doesn't matter oh yeah yeah obviously because it's the same people are like just running it I mean it's it's like you know it's like whoever's who you know when they had when Windows 95 had the [ __ ] start me up and the Rolling Stones and now like whatever their
commercials are like no it's the same [ __ ] company it just looks different everything you know yeah I think it's silly when people are like I I think voting is silly this is this is my whole thing with that because it's like what is the [ __ ] difference like first of all there's people who are like so I mean I I may be going against a lot of people's opinions of this but but like people who are so gung-ho on these certain politicians and in for this person and they're like so excited that Obama's going to like [ __ ] change everything and it's such I mean yeah it's awesome that like our first black president that's awesome but otherwise like it's the same [ __ ] game same [ __ ] over and over so I look at people who are like really gung-ho about one guy I'm like are you [ __ ] crazy like yeah are who you're buying this I mean I nobody's bought anything for so I mean like you know like Bill Clinton goes on you know Arsenal Hall like that change like have you watch that 90s thing that that has been on National Geographic recently there's a there's a series called the 9s and it's like 6 hours the the whole thing and I sat and watched it one day and it's awesome but it it really reminds you how much [ __ ] you weren't paying attention to in the 90s and how rigged it all was like everything like Osama Bin Laden was on like they did an interview with him in like 98 or 96 when was OJ 94 yeah it was right around there remember it if it was OJ I don't remember if it was OJ or Monica Lewinsky but one of those things was going on at the moment and 400,000 people watch this interview with Osama Bin Laden he's like he says on the interview he's like we're going to [ __ ] you and you're going to watch it on TV and you're going to be crying when it happens and and like 400 people watched it and nobody cared and like at the exact moment they were airing it is when like Monica Lewinsky or or OJ was like in the prime and everyone's like looking over here while like this guy over here I know s just as [ __ ] bullshitty as as [ __ ] the presidents and everything like like yeah right like Osama did not fly that plane I mean there are some people that did that [ __ ] and there are people involved and we will never know the truth about any of it so I mean no matter how hard
we dig you know what I mean so it's like to me it all seems so silly when people get so riled up like they they believe they have to believe something it's like Satanism you have to believe in God to be a Satanist that seems so stupid to me like you have to be Christian if if you want to be in the Church of Satan you have to be a Christian first cuz then you have to believe that whole thing to believe that there is a Satan to join the Church of Satan that's so silly to is that true yeah well I mean I thought that Satanism like really in its finest form was really just about hmm well that's true but experiencing pleasure concept of like of like of see I mean there's like the Crowley the Crowley church and there's like the kind of like the Le Church which is what you're kind of talking about which is just essentially like like do anything you henis ESS yes but but like the writings and the teachings and and the things that where they reference Satan as you know and they all those kind of like rituals and [ __ ] are silly because it's like you've got to be in the frame of reference of Christianity and the Bible and all that you know what I mean yeah if it was really scary it'd be something you've never heard of and some creature you've never heard of and you like be terrified you know it's not the same bad guy from the Bible which're is going to make it into a thing you know that's why it all seems so silly it's just you got to believe in magic and fairy tales and [ __ ] to make it all happen well you kind of do have to believe in magic and fairy tales if you believe a guy like Obama's going to fix the country yes that's what I'm saying the system is so beyond rigged it's and it's so transparently rigged yes you have to end to fix the system you have to end banking you have to end the Federal Reserve you have to get the corporations out of control of the media and everything I mean and representative government you'd have to end the influence of representative government by special interest groups and lobbyists you'd have to completely revamp everything it's a system that's just completely broken like there's nothing working about it it's so there's so many like [ __ ] up pieces of it that as it trickles down from the top to the bottom it's just you know how like um
when water like water goes through uh when when you see Springs like natural springs that come out that water's going through all this rock and all this this ground and in doing so it filters everything out so the water comes out really pure and delicious to drink but it could start out you know really [ __ ] up and then it all gets well the opposite is true with politics like you could have a great idea and you could have someone yeah You' have someone who has great intentions but by the time they get through the filter of Corporations and special interest groups and lobbyists and this and that and it comes out empty yes like there's it's always going to do that because there's always they want it to be that way you know that to me like you said it's it's so [ __ ] up and it really is it's really because of that that n you know the 99 percenters one percentage thing it's I mean because you just have these you just the corporations have too much control and they they're like the net neutrality thing they're trying to to to cut that out and that's like they're try they're literally giving all the power to like these you know Viacom and [ __ ] like that not only that Viacom is a the any time you look at a corporation as an individual which is what they keep trying to do they're doing that as far as their ability to donate to political uh campaigns they're doing it as far as like their responsibilities like they're they look at they're they're trying to look at corporations as if these entities should be given rights like an individual given rights like a human being but that's that's crazy because in doing so what you're also doing when you have a corporation is you dissolve the responsibility of each individual for the actions of the group right if you're going to give corporations the resp responsibilities or if you're going to give corporations the rights of an individual you should also be able to charge every individual in the corporation as if they were guilty for anything that the corporation is in trouble for right and if you did that then it would change the actions entirely of the corporation because right now like say if you you are part of a corporation this Corporation likes to go to Guatemala and build cell phones
and in the meantime you [ __ ] shoot rabbits and [ __ ] poison the wells and you know who knows what kind of horrible antihuman [ __ ] they're doing in these third world countries and pollution and genocide and you there's a a group of people that doesn't want them to clearcut so they [ __ ] gun these people down then you find out about it all later and everyone involved in the corporation should be responsible for that and that's the only way you would ever stop any of that [ __ ] from going on if you if you looked at BP perfect example the the the the the oil spill in the Gulf which just [ __ ] up so many people's lives I mean there so many people that don't have a voice you you're not hearing from the fishermen you're not hearing hearing from the people that had to clean that [ __ ] up you're not healing from the people that lived in the towns that close to the water that got really sick because of the dispersants there's so many individuals if everyone in BP was prosecuted as fully responsible for the actions of BP yeah I mean man [ __ ] could get crazy like literally every single executive every single War everybody that's a part of a corporation rais well subsidized that's what's even crazier oil is subsidized you know the the the amount of [ __ ] that's involved when you get heavy duty money involved in in in corporations and and then those corporations have influence on politics and they have influence on the way laws are formed and structured the way our society functions it's just it's Madness it's Madness and I I don't know what the solution is but until you um until you figure out a way to to to not have these big groups of people that have this diffusion of responsibility you know because if you're you know Shooter Jennings is a part of BP and BP does something [ __ ] up and you're like man that's [ __ ] up I can't believe uh my company did that but oh well I got a raise I didn't do anything you can sleep tight knowing that you didn't do anything personally but you're part of a machine that did something if I was held accountable for that I'd be so pissed I'd be like you know be like it'd be beyond that I mean exactly that's that's fascinating that's fascinating point I mean right the all these companies the courts are in the favor of the
corporations usually and and it's like the like I can't believe what what three companies own 80% of of all television or something something ridiculous like that yeah and in the 80s it was like 60 companies and now it's three yeah and it's like just and and and you just look at the way that the world is the way that we react to to to the media the way we react to this [ __ ] like the you know I don't know it's it's amazing it feels it did feel like when we were younger that like when things like the BP oil spill happened and stuff like I think if that happened now that we wouldn't hear about it what do you mean if the BP o oil spilled but it just happened that wasn't how long ago was just a couple years ago that was like 10 years ago no yeah it was four years ago it was yeah [ __ ] never mind know what I'm talking about the big one was uh the Exxon Valdes that happened in 198 that was a big one that was a big one which is by the way that area is still [ __ ] of course it is 1988 and they they killed off a massive amount of salmon and Godzilla's about to come out of there man been vest yeah but then there's people like you and I that drive cars and you know need gas and you know you buy an iPhone and how's it going to [ __ ] get to the Apple Store someone's got to put that [ __ ] in a truck and it's got to drive it over there no other way you know the whole system is just it's been set up without a whole lot of for Sight like they you know it was set up to deal with what's available right now and no one sort of saw the future of how things are going to get ugly and where where it could become problems how fast how much carbon can get into the air until it starts [ __ ] with the weather and you know right there just so much and then there's so much momentum also once like the thing about like politics and the thing about the influence of Corporations and special interest groups is that it's sort of been this way for so long that to come in now and try it's almost like there's a train running through your neighborhood ch ch ch and it's just train like we got to stop this train do you grab it like how do you do you hold on to it what we need to do is put some stuff on the track Well's just going to run over that stuff well how the [ __ ] do you stop the train
well you got to grab the back and put a lot of weight on it is that going to work no well that all the things that we're doing to try to like to reform politics like from an individual point of view it's complaining about it online or writing blogs or doing this and it's akin to trying to grab a hold of the back of the train and dig your heels absolutely yeah I mean yes I agree the only way to deal with it is move you know what to where though Iceland or somewhere I don't I don't mean like move the USA I mean metaphor I mean kind of like like don't you feel like I mean I feel like the only out of the people that I've kind of read and researched they're kind of like this anti-establishment [ __ ] it seems to be that that if they tell you you know you've got to you've got to do this now you've got to wear a blue shirt every day the only way the only way to to to fight any of is just by not doing it you know what I mean like just just whatever but at this point in time they they've convinced this entire country and they've convinced the entire world that this is how things work and you have to go along with it like like jobs and you know they like the fact they keep they like the fact that everyone is freaking out about money all the time they they squeeze the middle and lower class class out of that you know so that they're freaked out all the time that both parents are having to work all the time that the kids are in shitty dayc carees with the education is terrible and it's like they that's how they keep that in control you know what I mean but most people just walk through life and accept that and just say that's the way it is and and you know it's it's very few people that actually stand up and try and figure something else out but there's not really a solution especially that that someone like me could give anyone but but at the same time like I can sit back could look at it and comment on it because like with the black ribbons record that was my you know my my getting like it was right when the uh the economy fell in 2009 the very beginning 2008 2009 and George Bush was missing and Obama was looking real glorious at the time but nobody was doing anything about the collapse of the economy and then the bank bailouts were
happening and it was just like man this is insane it was like the scary little point of time you know and and that's kind of where that album came out of and and for me it was really my comment on the whole thing and by having Stephen King be the DJ and do all that [ __ ] like like what he his character was really what the record was about and it was kind of like keeping hope and and hang you know small communities and family and and you know those kind of like friendships and things like that that level is the only way that people like unions you know were started because it was like people were like I can't take this [ __ ] we can't take this [ __ ] anymore and they they said like that connection that level that's where you can grab the train and you can end you know with enough people it's like that occupy thing man when I was I was in New York living at the time when the Occupy Wall Street thing happened and and my daughter was going to a school in the financial district so like when I drop her off at school and I I me and my buddy would walk over to the to the Occupy Wall Street just hang out in the middle of the whole thing you know and it got a bad rap and it had all these different things but those [ __ ] were standing up to the man and the man was like [ __ ] shooting the bean bags at him and [ __ ] and you know it was really crazy like there they had books and the cops were burning the books and [ __ ] it was it was like some scene out like Nazi Germany when we walked over there's pouring rain there were people in the trees like every 10 or 20 minutes like a whole bunch of cops with those [ __ ] guard things to run through the [ __ ] place and knock some guy over Shields yeah the big shields you know yeah like Riot [ __ ] like their cops are RI but uh uh we're greatest scene I think someone filmed it and I was there for it I'm sitting in the middle of that thing that encampment the Occupy Wall Street thing with my friend Lincoln and and we turn around man and this [ __ ] cop comes running with that [ __ ] shield and just slips cuz it's raining and he just eats [ __ ] and falls down man and there like three or four of these [ __ ] hippies are like hey you okay man you know even though the rest of them are like [ __ ] you pig you know it was pretty
funny man this [ __ ] just bit at [ __ ] running into that thing and everybody was just laughing about it that all that occupy stuff to me it it signals that this possibility like it wasn't entirely successful it sort of Awakened people to the idea of protesting you know that you could protest on a mass scale to get a lot of attention and then that people are willing to get involved because a lot of people did get involved but what it also said to me is if things got real squirly like remember when we almost invaded Syria you know and then the response was so strong against it that you don't hear a peep about invading Syria I mean when Obama came on television and gave that speech it was almost like invading Syria is inevitable and everybody was like [ __ ] you man [ __ ] you and then it stopped there was silence in the news like you literally don't hear a peep out of the government talking about the inevitable invasion of Syria it just doesn't exist anymore because the right his wife or something on television like ooh look over here this thing's happening you know we forgot about it the right and the left were against it and if they had gone forward I think that an action like that and I think they're calculated in that response that like when you have a million people like like a sha saying there there's a one of the some one of the dictators I forget which one it was that was ousted because no I forget which one it was it was a long time ago but it was because he had said that if there was more than three people that were uh together that were protesting together as a group they would be shot on site I forget which dictator it was and within two days 3 million people were in front of his castle calling for his head and it was like oh [ __ ] like when you have a million people in the streets that are calling for your head the [ __ ] the gig is up and the the real the the numbers when you deal with the the president and the Secret Service and then the government and the military the actual numbers of those people that you would need to protect against a mob of 5 million Americans that have had enough and then come with rifles and guns and just storm the gates like everyone worries like people say what do you the the free the Second Amendment
what do you need a gun for what why do you need a gun you don't need a gun like that was that was written back when there was muskets let me tell you something the dumbest thing ever is the [ __ ] hits the fan if the [ __ ] hits the fan like that and all of a sudden you've got three or four million people that are showing up on the White House lawn and then they start storming in mass and they literally call for the president's head and rip him apart on National Television that's not outside the realm of possibility given a few terrible decisions a natural disaster a nuclear bomb goes off somewhere in Chicago the [ __ ] [ __ ] hits the fan and then next thing you know there's a million people with guns Apple buys Jesus you know anything can happen any literally any and that's what I got out of occupi Wall Street I got up like this is this kind of dissent it's manifesting itself in this form right now where there's a bunch of people with [ __ ] drum circles and they're saying enough is enough that was it was too hippie it that was the one issue was it was too it was too too like Kum yeah it was I mean even though it got Rowdy there at the end it's like it wasn't enough you know what I mean there that's what happens when when liberals go like go protest and and then there's when the right-wingers protest they have a whole different ritual but it's like the I feel like when you look at all of that like you said it's it's the power of it man I mean the Edward Snowden [ __ ] we get into that you know you could get into the power of like how that's change remember that everyone was like o the cloud the cloud is so [ __ ] cool that's going to do everything and then Snowden comes out and they're like [ __ ] we don't want our [ __ ] on the cloud like I mean they they start changing like rebranding the concept of the word the cloud you know like you go to Europe and it's still the cloud the cloud the cloud but here I think everyone started getting a little like well it doesn't matter if it's the cloud cuz they're going right into your goddamn email yeah there's no they're going into your hard drive they're put they're they're hacking your hard drive and they're going right in there pulling out all your data pulling all your credit card information putting out all your your
contacts you know if you are a person that's involved in some controversial activity everyone that you call everyone that you talk to they get monitored now yeah like if you if you start talking crazy [ __ ] about the government on this podcast and then you make a phone call right if the NSA decides to monitor you they're going to monitor your buddies they're going to monitor people you [ __ ] play pool with they're going to monitor a guy you go drinking with like everybody gets monitored and you all become suspects you I got mon I got started getting monitored after I went on this show oh before you even decided to go on the show when I was tweeting about you you probably started getting probably immed you probably already monitored before that probably probably I wouldn't doubt that it's ridiculous I mean it's like look we're not criminals there's not no one's these these aren't criminals the idea that you're monitoring 99% of the country or whatever the [ __ ] the numbers are but is everybody a criminal and then they're they're monitoring each other like the Senate they they [ __ ] the NSA was they were spying on the goddamn Senate man did you read the thing about the world Warcraft with one one of the documents you know that game the The World of Warcraft yeah it's like a it's like a online role playing game with like a million millions of players going around the world and they had they had NSA agents in there because they were saying that that terrorists groups were were meeting in those games they would go in the game and they'd meet and they had to talk in there so they said that they had so many NSA agents in World of Warcraft that they had to assign other NSA agents to watch those NSA agents inside World of Warcraft I mean can't you see these [ __ ] sitting there like playing like it's like a level 50 wizard you know he's like he's like yeah man we're going to bust some [ __ ] terrorists today [ __ ] yeah and kill a dragon you know meanwhile they're busting other people who are pretending to be terrorists so that they can bust other terrorists man I was like yes that's a what a great idea I'm going to go in I'm going to go in an online game and I wonder how many times there have been undercover sting operations where an undercover drug dealer was selling
drugs to an undercover DEA agent posing a a guy to buy drugs that's a movie is it a movie we should write that it totally is a movie write it into a movie and they wind up killing each other and then everyone tries to cover it up and it becomes some crazy story I mean it's kind of it must have happened before it has to have had happened kind like 21 Jump Street with the end of the movie with the The Cameo with the uh what's his name Johnny Depp you did you see the new 21 Jump Street no no oh it's great is it yeah is fun there's a great Cameo of Johnny Depp though yeah just blew that for you then well I'll think spoiler alert I think I'll be okay the undercover guy blowing it for the other undercover guy kind of thing it's just when these guys start spying on each other it's like does the CIA think that the Senate is a bunch of criminals is that's what's going on or do you just have cart blanch to just spy on people so you're like [ __ ] it let's spy on these guys let's spy on everybody I don't trust him [ __ ] that guy let's spy on him let's let's find out where his dick pictures are hiding in his hard drive they said they passed those around the office course they did and stuff they did it also they they like SP IED the people that were in the office they spied on ex-girlfriends they would find ex-girlfriends see that's the smartest thing they probably did you know what I mean man you can really I'm going you know what after that girl I'm going to join the NSA and I'm going to work my way all the way to the top just so I can [ __ ] her for the rest of her life yeah it's just I when the CIA spies on the Senate I really think that they should bring everybody involved and lock them up yeah I'm just like you guys you not not only did you violate everything that you're supposed to be standing for you guys are supposed to be looking out for us you the way you're looking out is by spying on the [ __ ] Senate looking do you think that the Senate is bad do you think that they're involved in are they terrorists are they the enemy are they working for the [ __ ] Russians like what are you doing the [ __ ] are you doing you're wasting money like you should go to jail just for wasting tax dollars just for fraud for pretending that you're here resolving democracy or
that you're here protecting and serving you should go to jail just for misrepresenting what your job is yeah you guys are goddamn Crooks yeah I mean a bunch of them you know and that's why I love like I I'm on the Edward Snowden team because it's just like [ __ ] yeah like that's what we were that's the kind of [ __ ] you know that like movies were made of like that we wanted we wanted to happen we want some guy to be like yo you all are getting [ __ ] and I'm going to I'm willing to die over this [ __ ] and tell you about it you know yeah and before Obama was in office that whole hope and [ __ ] hope and change his website was all about protecting whistleblowers all that [ __ ] was removed once all this stuff started going down with Edward Snowden and with Julian Assange but before that he was all about protecting whistleblowers who are exposing illegal activity guess what that's exactly what Snowden did everything he did is protecting people who are being exposed to dangerous elements of out of control government I mean that's that's really what's going on I didn't realize that was on the the Obama pay I mean I never went to the Obama page but at the same time like I never I I never knew that that he said that what a cck of [ __ ] yeah Jesus Christ I mean they were like we had to say hey Snowden come back here we promis we're not going to kill you like when we when America has to say that you know what I mean it's like [ __ ] we're [ __ ] it's like Howard Stern says man you know he's like we're like the last you know we we are like the like people say we shouldn't police the world but the reality is is like 90% of the world are like murdering their own people or like stoning women to death like there's all these other countries like there's not many countries that that says hey [ __ ] stop right that is what we want from America is what we hope for but when you look at it and you look at the NSA [ __ ] and all that it's like you know it's it's just hard to get all hyped up and excited about it I mean but but our world changed so much man I was talking to I was talking to do a I'm 35 and I was talking to a friend of mine about this about how our My Generation it was like our world is so [ __ ] compared to everybody else's because I mean it's probably just
getting worse for the other kids but you know we saw like when we were 14 Kurt Cain I was 14 Kirk blew his brains out so like by that time like you're just kind I was just kind of everybody's kind of hopeful and then when that happens that's the first time that's ever happened it was so dark it was so like there was photographs floating around in my high school of it and [ __ ] and I remember kind of being like man this is dark but it kind of like threw me I was really into 9in nails and and Manson and [ __ ] like that and it like threw me into that world even more and you know I everybody loved the dark loved the dark and then [ __ ] 911 happens when we're like 20 21 and it's like holy [ __ ] like everything changed after that point like everyone everyone in the is a lot darker everyone is like realizes that that yeah you know might just these massive assaults can happen here you know there was always kind of like dreamy it's you know it's America thing it's like we always kind of even though there was a lot of corruption with like from Nixon to like the the you know the Kennedy assassination and [ __ ] which was kind of the start of like like televis or or publ or uh you know uh broadcast in certain ways newspapers of like death Mass death and weird crazy [ __ ] like that but you look at uh there was always this kind of hopefulness and I think like after 9911 and after kind of everything that's going on like people are really like disillusioned to it you know they we don't have that same that same kind of feeling that that was going on in the 80s and 90s I know what you're saying like the perception of what America stands for yeah it used to be that we were everywhere else you know everybody used to say it's the land of the free like there's they still I mean you know you still go to New York and the cab driver guy who's who's by the way only driven for two weeks because he got here two weeks ago like he'll still tell you like I'm godamn so happy to be in America of course because you're in New York City and it's beautiful and there is a beauty to that and in what we offer the rest of the world and people that are in these [ __ ] terrible countries and they escape and they come here and it's like that that's great but like yeah in comparison to the Congo we're awesome yeah yeah in comparison to
the Congo we are awesome but at the same time we're also like we we're like kids that you know like I think the couple Generations before us it was like the parents stayed together and it was like great like we're the kids the mom shot the dad and got away with it and we're like all right you know what I mean like like our our our vision of of uh America is kind of like yeah we really kind of hate our parents but we're I see what you're saying I mean like like yeah that's sound of weird when I said it but what what I mean you're you know like I just feel like we kind of are this weird this world that we're in and the three of us and everybody that we know kind of now it's like we have this this kind of just disdain for things like you look at this [ __ ] Sandy Hook and all these terrible things that are happening and and everyone wants to focus on the gun rights thing when there's like mental health issues that need to be dealt with there's all kinds of stuff but there have been crazy people forever there have been murderers forever it's like but changing the system and trying to get it just everything just seems so [ __ ] you know like you wake up and you just want to watch cartoons you don't want to you definitely don't want to watch the news and you definitely don't want well one of the reasons why things are so [ __ ] in in as far as our perceptions is because we're getting more information about the real dealings of our government now than ever before because of guys like Julian Assange and because of guys like Edward Snowden one of the things that people don't like about it is like well you know they're exposing American Secrets they're putting Americans at risk on well maybe what Americans are doing is putting Americans at risk because what they're doing is exposing truth they're exposing things that we don't like I remember after September 11th one of the things that I found like the most shocking about it all was how many American flags are on people's cars like I would drive to work and that [ __ ] Madness man every car had an American flag on it it was nuts my friend Jay London Jay London started selling American flags he was smart probably made a ton because I mean it was insane when that happened remember he it's like exposing secrets you know
Heraldo exposes Secrets as put guys lives in danger not Edward Snowden that's like telling you but yeah but the the [ __ ] uh the flags man that was insane it was like this there was like a sense of you know but who knows if that was real like that I mean you know what I mean it was real people were buying the flags the sense of of of nationalism was real obviously but at the same time like there was a side of it that was just like there was marketing and there was all these things and there there was like the magic trick going on in the right hand while there's [ __ ] going over here in the left hand and then you have like the Fahrenheit 911 movie and you're like looking at that and everybody's looking at in this loose change and some people are saying it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon it was a missile and you got [ __ ] uh the wrestler what's his name that's got the Tell Jessie vur Jessie Ventura talk about they they got bomb paint you know did you watch the 911 episode of that conspiracy theory yeah here's the problem with that conspiracy theory I work with those very same people when I did that Sci-Fi show Joe Rogan questions everything I loved that show I thought that was a killer show thanks man we still might do it we're still talking I just don't want to do it the way we did it because they there's a lot of [ __ ] involved in those shows a lot of [ __ ] there like turn the plane around Alex Jones wants to talk it's like uh wait a minute what yeah there's just they you those shows they like they gravitate towards the fantastic and avoid Simplicity employ avoid what would be boring TV which is really the juice yeah we also avoid like other possible scenarios that aren't as sexy you know there's a lot of incompetence involved in government and sometimes people they misconstrue conspiracy they they they think of it as conspiracy where it's really just a bunch of idiots that did a shitty job of protecting people and then you know the the scramble afterwards and then people that have capitalized on the scramble and made money and then people look at the people who capitalized on the event and say oh well this is clear evidence that there was a conspiracy and these people that were the ones that profited off of it maybe not maybe there was a [ __ ] horrible event and some
people look at horrible events as an opportunity to make money and they did and they didn't have anything to do with it happening but they did have something do with profiting off of it you know so there's a lot of like and you you people get involved in these conspiracy discussions and unfortunately what happens is when you start labeling a bunch of [ __ ] conspiracies that aren't really conspiracies you throw the whole thing into a tizzy because now no one knows what the [ __ ] to believe and if I find out that you're wrong about a bunch of ridiculous conspiracy assumptions if you're wrong about those what what else what am I supposed to think about all the other [ __ ] that you're saying yeah you're very right about that that's a real problem with conspiracy theories is that the people who find them they're sexy to find so people go looking for them and [ __ ] everything and they're not willing to abandon them once they have sort of called them out once they've called out a conspiracy theory they stick with it and they ride that [ __ ] right into the Rocks right right you know and a lot of these 9/11 guys are like that the lot of these 911 guys there's photos that people said look it's clear that thermite cut this steel and the Steel's [ __ ] they cut that steel so they could move it like this is all after the [ __ ] buildings went down you guys are touting this as evidence that thermite was used they cut the [ __ ] girds so that they can move that [ __ ] out of there yeah well why did they get rid of all that waste and ship it over to China what did you want him to do you want him to hang on to it what do you want him to do put it in a pile so that you can go and send your independent investigators that are going to go over and scan for thermite yeah yeah that's silly see now now you start talking about that and the first thing I think about is the biggest one is what happened with Bin Laden oh oh we dumped his body over remember that whole story everybody talks about that and it's like people say he was not there they had nothing to do with there was never a situation there he was been dead for a long time yeah a lot of people special ops people say that he's been dead forever yeah yeah say that he that he died ages ago and they just did this to make they pulled that dude out of the
freezer and chucked him into the ocean chucked him into the ocean we got him yeah right yeah I don't know man who [ __ ] but you you're right though man people will ride that [ __ ] down and it's like you end up kind of like it's just more confusion it it is it's like white noise and static you know around all the time it's almost just as bad as the as the as the media is you know well it it and it helps them it it helps anyone in government because it it also shows that anytime there's any sort of a cataclysmic disaster anytime there's any sort of an event like a 9/11 there's so much scrambling and there's so much chaos afterwards that it's impossible to get a clear story on what exactly happened yeah they love that especially if you know if it's like when they're involved in something that's why Edward Snowden and people like that really terrifying because they tried to you know they planted fake Snowden stories that were like there was there was a UFO one that they were trying to plant them so he would look like a c and they weren't real real like it would be like an article and you know some European magazine saying that snowed papers say that the the government knew about UFOs and has had them for a long time and all this UFOs are a perfect one right you want to C perfect one man I mean I've never it's like I'm obsessed with all this [ __ ] you know I'm obsessed with all of it but the reality is is like I've never SE I would love to see a ghost never seen one never [ __ ] seen a [ __ ] ghost I've never seen a [ __ ] alien I've never seen any of it I've tried I've slept in haunted houses i' I've met people that have seen go like anytime somebody tells me a ghost story the first thing I'm thinking I was like you're [ __ ] crazy like that's the first thing I think because I've never seen one have you ever had an experience with the ghost or anything no I've gone to The Comedy Store really late at night The Comedy Store I've heard about all that I've heard about all the [ __ ] about the M the The Killing Room they had up there or whatever well The Comedy Store used to be siro's nightclub and it was owned by Bugsy seagull and many people were murdered there and siro's Nightclub you know this was back in the 1930s I guess in the 1940s like whenever it was the the early 20th century yeah and um
that was a place where Dean Martin Jerry Lewis would perform and the comedy store's original form was like essentially a mob Club it was a mob run nightclub and a lot of people were killed there there was a tunnel from the back of the comedy store main room The Green Room in the main room where you would go and take this tunnel up into a house that was up in the hills like they had it during the uh illegal uh bootlegging era wow yeah there was a lot of wacky [ __ ] that happened in that place and because of that I've heard many stories about person that sits in the audience or something there's some lady that yeah I've heard mostly [ __ ] mostly [ __ ] I was there I performed at The Comedy Store for 13 years wow and uh I never saw [ __ ] I looked around I went there late at night I would I would sit in the main room when the lights were out and everyone was gone and just wait for [ __ ] to happen wow yeah nothing happened that's see that's but that doesn't mean that something couldn't be there I just want to see some [ __ ] proof man I mean these people write these [ __ ] books and go on these talk shows and say this [ __ ] I'm like I don't believe a [ __ ] word you're saying I just can't believe it because I can't I've never seen it man I mean but imagine if you did and what you saw was a a a brief but unique moment and in that brief unique moment you saw yeah right and then it's gone you're like what the [ __ ] but you saw it there's no way to measure it there's no way I become a c I guess maybe right shows and be like and then his face was I mean I don't know man it's I haven't completely ruled it out because so many people brought out ghosts I just want to see some proof I just want to see something I mean it just seems so nuts like I got abducted by aliens and my ass got probed and all this [ __ ] like I see these people and you're like these poor people are so lonely and they got nothing going on and they either dream the [ __ ] up or they're taking ambient walking around in their front yard asleep and right you know have this thing or whatever it is like I I just don't know it's like I want to man me and my dad went to go see Fire in the Sky when I was a kid when that movie came out you know it was just touching
into mainstream all this like alien abduction [ __ ] you know and I used to watch xfiles every [ __ ] week I love I think that Travis Walton guy's been kind of called out as being a [ __ ] artist right it turned out it turned out to there was some kind of thing where there was fraud to it it's like it always is going to it's like that have you seen that movie um it was so well done the well I mean the movie is okay but the fourth Clos The Fourth Kind no I did you see it cuz it was like yeah cuz they had like this lady who's supposed to be the real lady and they have her interviews with mil Jovovich out the scenes but it was all fake like they set up this whole thing I mean you know Blair Witch was the first to do this kind of [ __ ] but eventually like it's all it's all coming down as fake I would think I well that's just entertainment you know I mean it's the real problem is when you deal with the the people that are involved in the quote unquote UFO Community like I've interviewed a ton of those for that television show and I sat down we had the show each episode was only an hour long but in that hour long episode I had several hour plus long conversations with a lot of different people that were involved in these things and one thing that you get out of them is that these [ __ ] only have one option that option in their head is that UFOs are real even if they haven't seen [ __ ] themselves and what they're not taking into account is how many people are liars how many like I've told this story before I was in the woods once and I thought I saw a wolf I thought it was a wolf for about 4 seconds at the most it was a squirrel I saw a squirrel I was like is that a wolf is that a wolf squirrel what the [ __ ] is wrong with me like it was literally like that like I thought it was a wolf it was a squirrel and it was the woods and I'm sane and I'm also I I'm con I constantly check myself I'm I'm very objective like that I'm always like what are you doing dummy I'm always like saying that to myself to make sure that but some people don't ever say what you doing dummy they say I know what I saw that's like the the the joke with no punch line thing you know what I mean it's like there's no punch line to get you out of it so you're stuck in the joke forever it's like I I know exactly what you're
talking about like the other day my wife came home and I was drunk with a knife and because I because I had um I had this our doorbell fell off right our doorbell is like like stuck to our front door it's not like wired in some kind of little Wireless thing and it so it had fallen off so I put it inside the house and my wife was gone and I was she's working and I was drunk I was just drinking and hanging out and like playing I was a video game that me and my buddies play and stuff and I had been drinking and all of a sudden the doorbell rings and I'm like doorbell's inside you know I like I'm like holy [ __ ] you got your knife out I'll get a knife out you know cuz like if someone's a bad guy they got to ring the doorbell first before they get you what you know but they're in the house and ringing the doorbell letting me know they're in the house you know and I'm not a I'm not like a scaredy cat like I'm I'm always the guy that goes downstairs to check it out I'm not I'm got no problem with that I got no problem walking downstairs there may be somebody down you know but in this moment I was like I'm alone and the doorbell's ringing on the inside of the house and this [ __ ] sucks and I'm hammered so I'm like getting the knife out you know but but like again same kind of thing like I think I'll see something I think I'll hear something and my mind goes to these places but at the end of the day I know it's ridiculous you know unless it's a home invasion of tweakers that's the only thing I'm worried about tweaker home invasion which was rampant here when I first moved into town in the flat lands but yeah tweaker home invasions are real if Tweakers Tweakers need money bad yeah they they they come up with wacky plans and that's the number one thing that happens to Meads is they lose their ability to make good decisions yeah yeah CU it's like after a couple days and [ __ ] you know You' been for like nine days got to get more yeah well they're also like they don't see how it's almost like their judgment gets cut off like they can only see like a couple steps forward they can't see like the whole future yeah so they they they see a oh you know what I'll do I'll just store all the meth in my ass you know no one's going to check there and then they get
arrested and they're pulling meth out of they ask what what are you doing back there man how'd you find it like how did I find it do you know that people store things in their ass guys have stored guns in their ass so there's this one article in GQ about this guy who was a lawyer and he was representing um um meth heads and somewh I think it was VY Fair GQ one of those and uh along the way he started doing meth and then he started selling meth wow and then he had Rush kind of yeah he had um his basement had like buckets of meth like he had like made it and like was storing it in his basement and people like are you out of your [ __ ] mind yeah he was yeah he was out of his mind that's insane he was a lawyer representing meth heads who became who Heisenberg like he full went full [ __ ] dude that's so insane what a great story and now I got to find that article yeah I wish I it was many years ago I wish I but I remember reading that one of the the the experts that they were interviewing was talking about your uh lack of ability to make critical decisions and that it goes out the window it's one of the first symptoms of uh methew as people start doing like rational people start doing really irrational things and don't seem to understand the con consequences of it it's like they can't there's a so they don't see you know you see several steps ahead like you say like well you know um if I go outside and light that car on fire well if it explodes and then what if the tree catches on fire and then the building catches on fire [ __ ] man I could start a big fire meth heads don't think that they all they think is I'm going to light that [ __ ] ground fire nothing's going to happen you know it's it's so I know I've known plenty of people who have gone down that path and I mean I've tried this [ __ ] before you tried math yeah because play it's just like it's like really powerful Coke it's like if you like I've been I there have been times in places where someone is is had that [ __ ] like I mean it's I'm not a big not like [ __ ] doing blow all day long or anything but there have been times I've done shows and [ __ ] and there around be like hey man you want to party and I'm like yeah [ __ ] it man yeah right some guy you like think the guy's going to chop ups and blow or something right then it was it'll be like uh it's it's
me meth but I mean it's funny to call it meth because it's crank or speed like when I first moved here I was partying a bunch and there was this guy that had like this yellow dog speed it was like yellowish powder it wasn't and it's the same kind of effect like it like one line of it will keep you up for like 10 hours like with Coke you want to do more every hour or every you know 30 minutes and with meth like you do a line and you're like Boo like for [ __ ] you can stay for like 10 hours you know if you want to and then those guy like that's why mat like you don't need as much of it and they'll just do some or they'll smoke it and do that it's you know it's like that's what it is it's like really really powerful Coke so like I can't stay up all night on coke and I have stayed up all night one time on meth just one line of it of just being up and you just like play the guitar and you're like singing and you're just so into singing you know but like in in the Southeast where we play a lot it's it's so big down there I mean I mean every like my buddies that live in Kentucky and stuff like it's everywhere and their buddies all do it and and they'll you know fall they'll do it sometimes they'll do it occasionally and then one of the guys will start doing it too much and he'll [ __ ] like he you know there's some tons of sad stories guys with kids and [ __ ] that are just doing it and staying up for eight and nine days and the kids have no idea and they're [ __ ] just wired and get you know yeah so I mean it's it's just insane it's not it's it it burns like a [ __ ] too when you do it like when you take when you do if you do a line of it it like burns your nose like in insane you know really like burns the inside of your nose yeah I mean but it's kind of awesome to burn the burn is Kind Of The Addictive thing because it's like it's like and then then you're like like eating jalapenos yeah it's like snorting halabo in so how many times you done meth ah it's probably GNA sound like a lot five five that's doesn't sound like a lot the the worry that people have is that you do it once and that you're You're gone no it's not like heroin in that way I've never done heroin but it's but I know people have done heroin I know it's like
that the there's that IM immediate like Euphoria thing and and with with with math the reason why it's so it's so cheap it's so much more potent and I think that's why it's such a big and it's like it's such a big deal you know it's it's easy to make with weird [ __ ] and Dino and all this [ __ ] [ __ ] in it and then and psea fed and all that you know I mean they got to in the South where they had to move psea fed behind the counter cuz people were coming in and buying like six seven packs of suda fed and then well if you buy it out here you have to give your driver's license yeah yeah that's yeah that's started in the South where they were like real fast but I mean you know I mean I probably there probably been times I mean there's probably been times I may have done it like where I thought I was doing something else and then I'm like oh that's that's definitely that's definitely crank you know what I mean but it's like my brothers and sisters and cousins I mean they probably hate me for saying this but I mean where they come from that's common it's common that people have done crank or or do it I mean it's not it's not like weird it's it's definitely not addictive like I mean if you're the type of person who's never done cocaine and you do cocaine and all of a sudden you're like [ __ ] I got to do more cocaine all the [ __ ] time like I I know certain people that are into Coke like that but I could never do that like if I do have done Coke I can't do it for another couple days I'm not I'm not the guy who stays up all night does the whole bag and does all I I'll do like you know bump or something like that but it's been a long time since I've done it but if I did do it I would just do small amounts of it you know here or there but there are people that if you have that personality where you're going to be the guy who does who locks himself in a hotel room for three days and does blow and doesn't show up for your job and all that [ __ ] because just because you got a bag of blow at a at a party you know then you're going to have a problem with crank but I think it's the same kind of thing though I it's just hardcore man it's not my style like some C certain people prefer crank to Coke and I would like or you know some people prefer Aderall and do all that and it's like
kind of like I mean none of it excites me that much but I would definitely anything that lasts a really long time I can't do I got kids and [ __ ] you know what I mean like if I'm in a party I'm like weed is like right down my alley that's I I Love Weed I can [ __ ] do it in the studio I do it at night after my kids sleep to go to bed like it it's kind of you it's never going to [ __ ] you up so much you can't snap out of it and [ __ ] make a good decision I there's times you know you can like man I shouldn't have [ __ ] ate that old pizza but you know but but it's not like you know I went and robbed my mom's house and I woke up two days later in a ditch and I'm like [ __ ] I probably shouldn't have done that crank yeah it's those Speedy ones they they accelerate you and they they cut out a lot of the decisionmaking process yeah they definitely do they definitely I mean just in and there's no two ways about it after you've been up an entire day you just start [ __ ] I mean you start seeing stuff like I I've done that without drugs you know what I mean I've stayed up days on and you just start getting delirious and like when you're using something that's fueling your heart rate and keeping you away you your brain is still acting as if you are not on the drugs and you've you've been up for 5 days and you're seeing [ __ ] but yet you're just wired from that [ __ ] that's what like they do the home invasion thing like there was a um I used to live on uh well I've lived all over this town but Santa Monica and Garder there's a AST burger right there yeah I lived right there behind the fat burger and there was a house there that notoriously had been like Tweakers like kicked the door down and came in and we just [ __ ] like tied the whole family up and [ __ ] and robbed them their money cuz that's all they want is they want money to buy more crank that's essentially the the the deal but they end up [ __ ] killing people and all kinds of [ __ ] over you know yeah yeah well you know they think well we're going to get caught kill these people [ __ ] it we'll never get caught that way yeah you know just don't they're not seeing a bunch of steps ahead yeah for sure people are terrified of crank they're they're terrified of meth they're terrified of anything that makes
people Maniacs you know that's the the big fear yeah the bath Salt's crazy that guy who like chewed the dude's face off and then turns out he wasn't on bass salts like well he was here's the thing they they say oh all they found in the system was marijuana the real problem is they don't have tests for bath Sal bath salts they that's a huge issue in Kentucky my friend because see crank is now getting to where it's like too expensive and the coal miners the coal you know the test for amphetamines show up in their system and so the coal miners want it and that that's why they that that bath salts thing started because the I from what I heard one of one of the regions I guess was that the coal miners were doing that and it wouldn't show up on the test they'd go they'd [ __ ] you know smoke or snort a bunch of that [ __ ] and go down in in the [ __ ] coal mines and [ __ ] work for like three days straight it makes sense there they don't what they do apparently is they take a drug whether it's meth or something along those lines and then they they alter it slightly so it doesn't show up in the test but it still has some pretty significant response yeah in the human body and then they sell it as not for human consumption bath salts like I didn't understand it I thought it was just like people had figured out that bath salts make you high when you you do them like there something weird about the bass salts you snor but no they just they're selling them as bass salts because that's the way you could sell it yeah there's fake pot too that they sell as like something like that and I tried smoking that one time and it was just terrible it was like just gave me a headache in silly you know you could have smoked a cookie and probably done less damage you know I have to say like I'm I'm a foodie too and all this and I just while we're on this I don't know why I poed my head but there was a tweet you sent out that I saved the photograph and I look at it is that when you had like seven eggs and it was like clearly a little butter in the in the pan and I cooked too and I was like I was looking at this [ __ ] thing and I was like God I could eat that all day and all night but the fact that you had that photograph the seven eggs I have it in my phone right now well
that's I have 24 chickens really yeah so the are all fresh eggs that I get from my yard yeah it's it's so great when you can get them no no no worries man and it's like the eggs are you know I'm getting them like the day they come out they come out of the chicken boom I'm frying them and it's a dark like an orange yolk so D like if I go to a restaurant a diner and I order some eggs you look at the yolk you're like what did you guys feed your chickens like paper like there's nothing there's nothing in this yolk I think I have the [ __ ] photograph you saved the photo of my eggs I did I did I know I saved it it's in here somewhere well I've been um eating nothing but farm fresh eggs like or yard fresh eggs for the past year my goal is by the end of this year to have all the meat in my house be wild game that I've killed and all our eggs be the chicken you go hunting a lot yeah I've eat it's funny I've never been hunting really yeah I'm a computer nerd like was as a kid like my Dad we went we went out shooting one time I did Quail I did Quail hun with my buddy when I was a kid you know they go out in the field and everybody's shooting at the [ __ ] birds and [ __ ] but I I never I've never even been hunting I mean I've just never been my my it's never been my thing like I like guns i' I've I've gone shooting guns and things like that but but I've never I've just never really done it would you be into doing it I mean I'd be I I I tell you like I there are people around be like I can never [ __ ] blow a deer's brains out or whatever but I mean I I would go with you I would definitely go I'm not like I'm not opposed to going so you would go but you wouldn't pull the trigger I don't know if I would pull the trigger I've never done it I've never killed an animal with a gun have you ever had venison oh I love it I love it only comes from killing deer you got to kill no I know I know that I'm just saying you know what I mean but there are certain people that are like I like and I mean my wife would never kill you never never go hunting or like I have lots of friends that probably be like I don't know if I could do it I would go got no problem with it I've I've I think that there's so many good things that come from hunting like whether it be and I love that when people say that they hunt their own
their own meat and and eat it and all that I'm just saying I've never done it I mean people people think that I'm like a Harley riding like they think I'm tall first of all and second of all they think that I'm like into hunting and and like all this redneck [ __ ] and I've been like I'm a computer geek that moved to LA when I was 20 you know what I mean that's it but you sing country music your dad is one of the great country music icons of all time I know but he didn't really hunt or do anything like that either he was he had he had a gun collection of like Civil War era guns and stuff and oh wow he's into into into that kind of stuff very into history and stuff which I was real he you know in his own way he was kind of nerdy forgot from being from Texas and and being who he was you know but he was just kind of in into history and things like that but we went hunting with Hank Jr one time and neither one of us hit nothing like we would go fishing every once in a while uh Tony Joe White is a great artist who used to take us fishing my dad said he had a curse like he could never catch anything and I went fishing with Johnny Cash one time too W which is kind of funny but I was a kid and we didn't catch with Johnny Cash holy [ __ ] Johnny had like a bunch of fish that he' already caught and he had them rigged somewhere that so that so he was going to try and make it where my dad would actually he' think he caught something cuz he could never goood like we we weren't real out outdoorsy people let's just say it that way like I watched way more horror movies with my dad like he used to wake me up in the middle of the night say there's a scary movie on TV and I go downstairs I was like six or seven I go down to and proceed to like get petrified by some horrible movie that I six-year-old shouldn't watch you know that's hilarious so that was kind of more our activity listen to music and watch movies it's funny isn't it that country music is inexorably connected to like hunting and fishing yeah well I mean naturally I guess you know because of the the the era and the like you know if you go back a little bit I mean not very far from my dad's generation me him growing up and all the all of the the grand old opery and all that h i mean all those guys were into that they all lived in the woods like the the
Nashville and let's not even say Nashville like even all of the the southeast was Far Far More undeveloped so like back then it was really country folks and they were in like country music they would roll their windows up when they listen to it because it was frowned upon it was like a Poor People's music you know so a lot of the people in the South and stuff it's inevitably tied into that of course but I mean you know it's funny because now it's like someone if they're critical of like I don't represent myself pretending to be like anything I'm not but if someone was ever critical of the fact that I live in LA and I'm not like a country boy and I play like country style music it's like do you guys really think that you know Jason Aline and these [ __ ] these new country guys that are so big like you really think those guys daily existence is like tailgate parties and hunting and things like that you guys are [ __ ] [ __ ] because they're shopping for shoes on Melrose that's what's getting caught cheating at the Cabo Cantina you know what I'm saying shopping for shoes on Mel I don't know man these make me look country man these pre these Janss are perfectly pre pre- torn yeah right perfectly pre- torn is the worst God it's so [ __ ] stupid there's nothing stupider than wearing jeans that already have holes in them built in it's so dumb of course it's so dumb but it's something that everybody wants they want to like already be worn in you know they want to pretend that you're like this is I've had these for a decade that they've they've been you know really really wearing it out through a yeah but they don't even look remotely like uniformly worn like when people have those jeans that have holes in the in the knees like it's obvious you didn't get those holes working yeah like all the rest of the jeans perfect you just got stupid like what a weird thing to become a style yeah holes in your clothes is a style yeah I know it's like see in my jeans like I don't I'm the worst like I I don't wash my jeans like I wear them for months I wash it and like they literally get holes worn in them like because of because of that like I'll get them in the knees sometimes I I walk on the back of them so like the backs of them are like ripped right you know what I mean
and so like I I eventually get holes in them because they're just old and shitty but it's so funny man it's like there's but there's like all these weird Styles right now that are just like what is happening like those um Affliction kind of thing that was going on like all those Nashville guys were in there like all the tribally looking [ __ ] all the sh skulls and yeah but not like cool looking shirts like your shirt like you know that's a monkey either well it's that's a chimp with a mushroom in his mouth that's my own line actually that's the really yeah higher prime8.com this is all this shirt is based on teren McKenna's stoned ape theory that uh lower hominids ate mushrooms and then they had this idea of nuclear power and spirituality and all yeah that's what the shirt represents interesting yeah McKenna had this bizarre uh idea that's it's an interesting idea that his uh his brother actually his brother Dennis McKenna who's still alive who's a fascinating guy himself actually substantiated with science in a way that's way better than I ever could if you want to listen to the first podcast that I did with Dennis McKenna and um he explains the actual effect that psilocybin has on the mind and why it would uh why it would facilitate the construction of language and that what what he what mechanis theory was was that what happened to lower primates is that somewhere around you know million plus whatever years ago when over a period of 2 million years the uh the size of the human brain doubled and uh that's like a a very substantial event in in biology and they they really have no idea what caused human beings to become so much more intelligent than they were previous and his theory is that this is at the same time that the um these tropical rainforest rece seeded into grasslands climate change forced these tropical rainforest uh to become grasslands and these monkeys climbed down off trees and started experimenting with uh various food sources different things one of the things they do is they start flipping over Cow Patties and they'd find bugs and worms and [ __ ] to eat underneath them but there was also things growing on the Cow Patties and those things were psilocybe and musroom not cows in the jungle though this is like they they dropped and they've G
okay they seceded into grasslands over the climate had changed and rainforests had become grasslands fascinating and so these monkeys ate mushrooms exactly and then got smarter yeah and there's a bunch of different reasons why besides the facilitation of language which is uh the the very specific reaction that psilocybin has on the human mind and why Dennis McKenna described it very well I can't really repeat what he said I'm not smart enough I don't remember it either but what McKenna also said was that cbin in low doses increases visual Acuity it's a it sharpens edges it makes you be able to see things better makes you hornier so it would make you see better and make you hornier so it would make you if you see better you probably be more aware of things you probably be a better Hunter if you're hornier you'd [ __ ] more so the the mus the mushroom eating monkeys would have a a biological advantage over the nonm mushroom eating monke well you do know if a bunch of monkeys are walking around and one of them eats mushrooms and all a sudden he's like you be like dud you guys got to try this [ __ ] out of all the things that make sense as far as looking at the effect of a substance the the the effects that a substance has on the body what would cause massive consumption of the substance over a long period of time like two million years what would cause direct changes to the human body what would cause direct changes to the the the actual function of the Mind psilocybin is like number one it's so common it's everywhere it grows out of uh cow [ __ ] it's totally edible you you're you're hungry you can eat it you eat it you trip balls you trip balls you think about things you develop language you develop have you done DMT oh yeah I've never done it and I'm I'm dying to try it uh do you know who sturg Simpson is no you should check out his record there's a record it's new and he has a song called Turtles all the way down which oh I've heard about this it's about DMT right well he apparently he did a bunch of DMT when he was doing the record and was just like yeah there that's that song itself talks about DMT and siloc and stuff in it but but it's like real old school country it's that tattoo is a DMT molecule really I didn't know this about you see now see I've
never experienced it and I'm I'm so into all that too dude let's get together and do DM don't say it on the radio okay I won't I promise I won't bring any crank well DMT is one of the weirdest ones too because you could never be tested for it I mean they would have to catch I've never had that kind of an experience with anything I've done mushrooms before and I laughed a lot I've done acid I didn't really see anything but but I'm very fascinated with like the the Peyote kind of experience and all that and I've never I've never never had it every sterle's like you got to try it dude he's DMT is mushrooms times a million plus aliens that's it is yeah what's the deal with the aliens with DMT well there's something that happens when you take DMT where you you you pass through visually or spiritually whether it's real diens you pass through into some new space and when you're in some new space what's weird about D is this all in your head with your eyes shut or is yes your eyes are shut but if you open your eyes you're going to see some crazy [ __ ] too you'll see some crazy [ __ ] though that's also you're better off keeping your eyes closed though because then you'll get sort of a full representation of what what's going on and what you're seeing when your eyes are open your eyes are taking in the physical world like what you're seeing in front of you and you're trying to combine the two of them and it's very baffling and confusing silent Darkness close your eyes take it and then just close your eyes and and lay back and you go on the craziest trip it's it's impossible to if for anything to be stronger it's impossible for anything to be a more potent hallucination because it seems more real than reality itself like once you once you do DMT the the weirdest thing about it is coming back like regular reality is so dry and dull it's like that that's more real like it's more you feel it you also feel if this makes any sense you feel the experience in your in your essence in your in your essence as a human being and it sticks with you after [ __ ] man I've had trips that stuck with me for five or six years where every day I would think about that trip for five or six years wow man I'm this that's I'm very fascinated by this man well it's the very the very components of your the
brain itself the very the the very human neurotransmitters that power thinking that that that work inside your mind I mean these are endogenous chemicals these aren't like it's not like something that's alien to the human body that you put in and has this crazy effect no DMT is actually produced by your body itself so when you add it when you take it and smoke it like your body already knows what it is that's one of the reasons why it's so transient like um it's when you take it you have this extreme High you have this wild ride of hallucination and experiences or whatever it is that's the crazy thing 15 minutes max wow I Sal one time which kind was like a short thing but that was nothing more if you do it intervenous if you do it intervenous it can last like a half hour or more really yeah like Rick strasman who uh the guy who um he was one of the first guys to get Federal um he he got um Federal permission the dea's permission to do these uh research studies on dimethylamine intravenously and patience he did it at the University of New Mexico and they did uh several of these and then they did he wrote a book on it called DMT The Spirit Molecule where these people had these incredible incredible experiences while on uh this intravenous dimethyl tryptamine and uh repeatable experiences they would go to these and very very very much mirrored the uh Alien Abduction experiences that people would talk about like being taken aboard alien spacecrafts and being brought to alien places and alien lands like very very similar reptiles yeah so he started connecting uh dimethyl tryptamine and endogenous dumps of dimethyl tryptamine to alien abduction experiences and that's what he thinks that's all about he thinks all of these people that have these like I woke up in the middle of the night I was on a spaceship you're just your brain just dumped a bunch of DMT in and somehow or another you got caught in the middle of this world of being awake and dreaming so your body when you're dreaming is uh essentially producing something that's causing you to hallucinate the speculation is that that's DMT as well um they they haven't totally proven that yet but they're pretty sure they've already proven that DMT is produced by the pineal gland that's that was a long time that was speculation but they've
proven that that in live rats the live rats actually produce DMT in that gland so that's really yeah yeah it's all pretty trippy trippy trippy [ __ ] that's that is very fascinating I mean like I said I I honestly haven't uh I I I I have never just never I'm dying to do it I've just never done I I I'm just into that man I'm into that experience I'm into that like going to the next level oh sweet yeah this is one of the it's one of the weirdest ones because uh it's in so many different plants it's not like uh you have to go and get a a pomegranate from Brazil and that's the only way you get this what's the W AA iasa IA oh yeah IA is essentially the way they figure out and all that [ __ ] like yeah like the movie yeah well what iasa is is an orally active form of DMT because DMT when you smoke it it goes directly into your blood your blood supply but DMT is in so many different plants that if you got it from eating it you would be tripping your balls out every time you have a salad yeah because grass has it in it a lot of different thousands of different plants have it in it wow so because of that your your your body produces chemicals that mitigate that one of them is called monoamine oxidase and monoamine oxidase is produced in your gut so when the Amazon uh Shaman figure out how to give people DMT with a see in modern like in today in you know United States in the modern chemical world there's scientists that have figured out how to synthesize pure DNT so they take it from plants or you know from various chemicals and they synthesiz pure DMT you smoke it goes right in your bloodstream it's pure DMT but you can't do that in the Amazon so what they figured out how to do is make an orally active version of it so what it is is they combine the leaves of one plant with the roots of another and one of them being harine which is a natural MAO inhibitor so it's a monoamine oxidase inhibitor that they mix in so it's like a DMT trip but it's not quite as intense it's a it's a slow release longer version that's very hallucinogenic and very spiritual in a lot of ways but I've only done the big one the big one is the DM the the smoking DMT is you get shot through a cannon to the center of the [ __ ] Universe the way I describe it is you're communicating with complex geometric
patterns that are made out of love and understanding man that's so funny because I've heard that I've heard the geometrics thing and and you know I'm I'm a big studier of like s sacred geometry and and all these kind of things I'm very fascinated by this I'm very fascinated oh I'm so fascinated by geometry sacred geometry and fractals and all those different when you when you look at the just the nature of the universe itself you the nature of cellular life subatomic particles atoms becoming individuals individuals being a part of a group of individuals that live on a planet the planet being a part of the Galaxy the Galaxy being a part of the Universe on and on and on and on and on like like it seems like there's there's a fractal geometric nature to life itself the Fibonacci sequence that Des describes like you know like the way sunflower seeds are developed the way a nautilus shell looks the way so many different plants grow there's all this weird sort of fral mathematical nature to the world itself and yeah like like the tree of life and 33 you know it's just there's so many things like that I'm so fascinated with that I feel like when you when you unlock those kind of things in your mind and you're into that stuff like there's a great book called gateway to the gods that I read I don't know how I ran across this book but it's about this guy it's about a lot of sacred geometry it talks about uh it really deals with the the in the Bible like the Watchers and the Nephilim and the concept of that angels that were actually like interdimensional travel and it deal touches a little bit on the dmsh kind of thing and it touches on some of that kind of travel mind travel but um I'm very fascinated by it man I just you know that I think if your your mind is open to it and you do do something like DMT it probably it probably enhances your if you're like you being so knowledgeable on so much of this probably has enhanced your trip when you do it because you're I mean I don't know how probably I mean are you are you like are you able to focus on what you're looking at or wherever you're seeing so hard so hard it's so crazy and it changes every second like every second you look at it it becomes something even more impossible that's the weirdest thing about it it's just
you can't believe you're seeing something that's like this like how is this possible AR there aren't there like aren't there beings that more than one person have seen and they're all the they all describe them as the same see it's hard you do that I've seen see my trips have been different every time I've done it that's one of the weirdest things about it is like someone's saying that they've seen the same things that I've seen I'm not even sure I could tell you what I saw like I can tell you what I can remember about what I saw but one of the weirdest aspects of it is that it's impossible like when you're seeing it like this isn't real this can't be possible that I can actually see this and then like one one of the things that one of my trips one of the most profound ones um it was like these like almost like children that were in this this Dimension children that were like infinitely more intelligent than me but behaved like children and communicated like children and they would say I love you 600 million 500,000 times like something like a kid would say like I love you infinity I love you 50 million Sal 700,000 F like you know like that kind of [ __ ] they would say that and then they would go look at this and they kept saying look at this and every time they would say look at this they would show you something that was so impossibly beautiful like tears were like flowing down my face cuz I was conscious I was I had my eyes closed and I was seeing this and I was conscious but I was crying because it was so beautiful and then they would say it again I love you 600 million 500,000 times look at this and then they would show you something even more insane like a million times more insane than what you just saw didn't didn't make any sense it just you can't describe it it just the the fractal nature of the universe embodied in imagery which also had meaning and love connected to it so when you were seeing it you weren't just seeing something beautiful but you were feeling it and it was like almost like it was running through your soul like it was cleansing you as you saw it like everything that I saw made me every time I saw it every new thing made me love people more made me love life more made me more appreciative May me want to hug more and then I thought that was over
and then would go look at this and then you'd get hit with a new wave and it was just overwhelming I'm just crying like couldn't couldn't hold it in it was just so unbelievably intense have you ever had a negative experience no not on DMT no I've had NE negative experiences in that um DMT is sort of exposed that I was maybe a little out of control in my life like maybe too stressed out or maybe uh you know taking too much time devoted too much time to work and [ __ ] related things it really didn't matter in the long like like the negative aspect was it like after it was over like hey I need to just [ __ ] chill out like I need to just smell the daisies I need to just enjoy this experience you know and just wow not 15 minutes huh yeah but wasn't I've never had a negative experience in that like while I was in I was like this is negative but I've seen it I've seen people freak out you have have you been with someone that freaked out yeah my friend Eddie freaked the [ __ ] out the first time he did it but I think it was cuz he was trying to control it you can't control it you can't like say I'm going to pull myself out of this and sober up good luck you have to give in you have to be willing to give in yeah I mean I'm that's the thing is man it's like I'm I'm that I think you and I are a lot alike in that way that it's like like I you know I want something more out of this experience like I love I love life like I'm a positive guy I've got two kids who I love I love the time with them you know everything like that and and that's why it's like I'm so fast ated with like the I don't believe all the [ __ ] on the media and I don't believe all the [ __ ] you know all the [ __ ] that we've been talking about this whole show like it's why I'm into the Bitcoin thing which we haven't even got into and I'm i m those things I'm into the technology of it I I M them yeah I do I mean I'm just into the technology of it I'm into the to the programming side of it and the and and the the cryptology and all that but uh but like I I I am into understanding the full aspect of life while I'm here and and it's like I'm fascinated by religions and my mom I was raised Christian my mom's that way like I you know it's hard for me to say that I'm that I'm like a I'm not a
churchgoing kind of guy but but it's like I believe when you're here you're supposed to be you you if you can leave being good you know having been a good guy that's the thing but I'm into the knowledge I'm into the like discovering where things come from and you know studying like the Egyptians and studying the [ __ ] art work that that there all you know I'm just into it so that's why I like sem DMT like like I If I Could travel to other dimensions and party with reptiles I would do it right now you can well you can with DMT I don't know about reptiles I've never seen a reptile while on it but I've seen things that are somehow or another Consciousness or appear to be conscious or are representations of your own Consciousness in some sort of a much pure much uh much greater form but you know who else wasn't a churchgoing person Jesus yeah Jesus didn't have a [ __ ] Church you know churches are human creations and humans the problem with any sort of power structure um any top- down power structure is that people want to contain that once once they have power they want to retain that power they want to contain the people they contain the ideologies of the people that are involved in that group and and then you know to have an open-minded completely open situation where you have a group but there no structure to it and everyone's just loving and able to do whatever they want there's no one person that's the leader no that's not what we do human beings everything sort of falls into that weird alpha male monkey category where there's one person that talks and everyone else listens and that's what you find in churches that's what you find at political rallies that's what you find when the president gives a speech on television there's the one and then there's the listeners and it's it's not a dialogue it's one person talks and there's a you know everyone comes in and sits down open up to page 324 we're going to read from the gospel and then but this is one person that's doing this it's one person that's guiding this whole thing and that's sort of contrary to the very like nature of like a cooperative and open group of humans a community yeah and that's also the best way to control people to ensure that this one person disseminates the rules this one person gets to talk and
this one person keeps everybody under control the preach who here everyone All Rise The Honorable judges here you know all the I mean court court itself you have to stand up when this [ __ ] who's wearing robes like why you wearing robes man you can't you can't give the law out with a T-shirt and jeans on you have to wear like special fancy clothes in order to to understand the law yeah the wig the powdered wigs the powdered wigs crazy curly white wigs you know just people are mad they're mad and they're also running on momentum of an ignorant past running on the momentum essentially of people that used to write [ __ ] down on animal skins that same momentum is still propelling society today oh yeah man yeah and it's yeah it it you're right you're right it's and we could get into that forever because I've you know just conceptually the way that the control is is is you know doled out it's pretty pretty I mean it's pretty easy it's pretty math mathematical 1 plus 1 equals 2 like you just like I was saying keep the keep keep everybody poor keep everybody uneducated and then convince them that if they don't do what we want them to do they're going to burn in hell yeah even better than poor now they have a new thing it's called being in debt everyone's in debt it's way better than poor because poor you could just deal with being poor but debt you're never going to have you can't stop working you owe money you're not even yeah that's true that's exactly it man it's like you know separate the family have you you ever getting into bright eyes that band Bright Eyes no uh Connor obst have you heard of him no you know who that those guys they have a great record called The People's Key but the uh the opening the opening line the opening thing is this guy I don't even who it is he's he's talking about exactly what we're talking about and how they how they control the masses and stuff man it's a great speech in the beginning of this thing it but you know it's like keeping like keeping the mom and dad separate because they both have to work like you make it so hard for a normal like lower income family to even be together so you can disseminate information to each one of them exactly like you want and they don't have a lot of time together you know that's a big part of it and it's it's so insane it's just it just is
insane and it's just like the wages and the way they control that and the people who make the money it's like like the banking thing this is why the Bitcoin thing is so brilliant I mean you know I mean you talked to the to Andreas who's like who's like the man but um Andreas Antonopoulos who we were talking about this before the podcast left that Bitcoin the Bitcoin Foundation yeah I don't we need to have them on again find out what that was all about what that see that the foundation has never been needed this is what's weird about it because they they've they're you know the Bitcoin itself is the protocol so it's like that's what's brilliant the the foundation was created as something that was supposed to kind of Drive the development of it but it's become it's become a corporation essentially you know and it's it's got had a lot of negative but the the people who are in charge of it now are even more more so people are like they're kind of crooks and shady and but there's really no need for it there's no need there's not like there's a Bitcoin company that people work for you know the the thing is it's like more like a virus that was set into the world and then just like the internet was you know there's not like the an internet company that they're the president of the internet who can decide like that today you know what I mean that's the beautiful thing about the Internet isn't it it is amazing but that's why they're trying to do this this this net neutrality thing is such a big issue because they're trying to they're trying to can like right now now Time Warner Cable can already like if they don't like the Joe Rogan show they can slow down when people go to your site they can slow it down on purpose right but but that's that's shitty enough already but like the with the net neutrality thing they're trying to to get rid of then then Time Warner can say hey um Google your shit's going to be real slow unless you pay us money mhm and so then they're going to start extorting money out of to you know to go back into their own pocket to actually to to alter what sites and even blocking sites and that and when when Time Warner owns all the internet I mean there's a giant portion of the internet I mean I don't know what the actual numbers are but it's over 50% of the of the service
provider and the service provider can then charge companies and decide what people can see then that's like the internet is the the purpose of it is you're getting [ __ ] time you know what I mean yeah they're trying to corporatize it they're trying to control it the same way they've controlled the air waves as far as like I mean like like in [ __ ] Egypt and they cut they cut the internet you know and [ __ ] like that that's what we're like three steps away from happening and that's that's the internet the internet is decentralized there is no one in charge of it and they know that you know and the reality is is like if if you know if the if Time Warner becomes that big of a deal somebody will come out there and run their own wires and [ __ ] set up their own [ __ ] Statewide Wi-Fi and it'll be fine you know but it it It's just tough man but you know that like did you ever get into discussion about Bitcoin about how you can you in a in a if I send you money you can attach a message to it or you can actually like attach a deed or I could write a song and it would be in the blockchain copyrighted but I you can actually embed a message in the transaction and that the first the first transaction ever done by the guy who made it had the the like was like either Washington Post or like Wall Street Journal the headline was like you the government approves second bailout for banks like that was encoded in the first trans transmission because it was like they're saying like enough like this [ __ ] is so [ __ ] on the banking the Federal Reserve the government everything like we've got a solution that where you don't need a Banks anymore you know you don't I mean it would CH it changes escrow it changes everything like it yeah you don't need Banks if you have digital currency I mean that's the the third party is like the is the mining community so like it's there's no need there's no way to rig it you know yeah I think that if if it can continue and it can grow and and and evolve I think it could be definitely will definitely will I think it will as well it's I think there's definitely powers that are trying to sub of course man of course cuz can you imagine but but here's the reality man banks are record stores and our big record companies and Bitcoin is Napster that's
it that's what it is when you with Tower Records man I used to [ __ ] go there all the [ __ ] time it's not there anymore true and and all these [ __ ] City National Banks on every corner that's going to happen mark my words they will not be there anymore that would be the same fate as Tower because people will figure out how to send their money around you know yeah and once you get used to buying things with your phone which is probably the future I mean I do it all I bought a [ __ ] computer like I'm such a nerd that I buy old I bought an old 486 PC with like a disc drive in it because I just wanted to play my old games that I like liked I bought one on on my phone on the way in here wow you know I mean on eBay though but but like that's PayPal and you're like paying all kinds of money for that but like if you know I can go on right now I could go to anywhere and I mean right now like with Dell like started accepting Bitcoin like I bought my manager a computer like with some Bitcoin that I had and it was [ __ ] cheap and it was like I sent it accepts it now Dell started accepting it just recently you know overstock.com was the first one and now now wik Wikipedia takes it for donations and it it's slowly becoming adopted and I think it's you know back in '94 93 when the internet was out people were like no one's ever going to do this www. something or other.com they're going to have to come up with some easier way to do it no one's going to ever this will never become normal and you know it's like here we are 20 years later and it's like the there's no way that anyone could function any of our devices could function without the internet being involved everyone would prefer to go to a website than call the number you know it's like people download their music they don't buy it really I mean they do but you know what I mean it's like so I think that all the talk around Bitcoin right now is the same kind of talk they were having around the internet then but I do think it'll be there's like messaging programs uh where you can send money in the in the text like uh on on an iPhone so like if I was like hey can you go pick up this and you know here's 40 bucks worth of it or whatever or you know whatever it costs I can just send it to you instantly and not being in
Char you say if um you know say if we were living together and you wanted me to go pick up a steak Yeah you go hey man go to the grocery store and go get some food and here's the money yeah just like that I mean there'd be no there's like a couple cents maybe a charge for the transaction fee but there's I mean such an if there is one it's such a small amount and that money goes to it's like a 401k plan for the mining system because it's going to eventually hit the mark where it can't make any more can't generate any more Bitcoin and then after that they'll be living off the transaction fees but um it's kind of interesting see like the mining thing man it's like some people think of it they're like oh it's like people who want to just like make free money which is not is not way it works it's like what it actually is is and this is the nerd part of me like I also run a full node of uh Bitcoin at home which which means like I'm part of the network of transactions that happen it's kind of complicated but at the same time like the the the the technology behind the whole transaction confirming process which is the aka the mining is what is so fascinating to me and I like I mean I'll go on the internet and and on IRC and hang out and talk to the developers and [ __ ] because I'm just I think that someone has to and is going to use this technology in the way that Bitcoin is and make finally a decentralized entertainment distribution platform because eventually like iTunes takes 30% like they've been good to me in different moments but here's the reality you make something that costs nothing to duplicate because it's dig digital and they're taking 30% of it plus a company like tonor like Jabs you and robs you to get to even get your [ __ ] on iTunes if you're just a new band you know who's like I how do I get myit on iTunes somebody's going to collect some money for them to just email your song over to iTunes in the correct format and then iTunes takes 30% like if you got rid of that and you got it where I was like say I gave you a David Bowie song if there was a way to just have a proof of ownership and have like like a transaction fee like there is in Bitcoin where if I just gave you an album that would like somehow pay David Bowie when you get it you know there not there
doesn't need to be the the the iTunes the store you go to to get it it's like really if I'm sending you a song via an email there should be a way to like build it build a decentralized distribution platform like that it's crazy that Amazon takes that much or that that iTunes rather takes that much yeah how can they do that I'll tell you why because there was everyone said the internet is never going to be away that people buy music and iTunes said we're here and we're putting our flag down and you guys are going to be sorry and that's what happened they jumped in when nobody cared there were meetings that we they said we don't care don't talk to us about MP3s like Sony said don't talk to us about MP3s until it's 30% of the market and by the time it was 30% of the market iTunes was [ __ ] way had iPods and was weed on the way 30% set seems like a lot of money because it's not even like they're storing it on their website and then you download it from their servers like they need all the bandwidth and so you're you know because your album is you know x amount of gigs that it that's not what's going on they're not storing it well I mean like you have to have a host they do store it I mean do they well they don't do it with for podcasts for podcasts your podcast gets downloaded from a host like a torrent yeah I have a have a company called the company's called libson and libson tun is so that's what tun is that's the way tune or like Reverb Nation and all those things work is you can get yourself I mean that's essentially it but I believe that it goes into the back end at iTunes I think that a lot of those companies like like if I don't pay tune core after five years they're going to my music will go off iTunes so like they have the control over that but I've also seen labels go directly to iTunes not via those things and go use the back end there I mean I don't know I thought they did store the [ __ ] but you know I mean I should probably know that and I don't know that but the reality is 30% I don't care what you C what you it's it's it's a duplicate of a digital file that costs nothing to replicate that is it is kind of crazy yeah that's why so many artists held out for so long on it but then they had they just buckled and went but I know that there's dirty deals that
went down in the back room where like like certain people got better cuts off that like the Beetles I bet you money they're not taking 30% % of the beetles but they would never admit to that but dude everything's a dirty deal listen to this [ __ ] billboard Billboard charts you think about it you're like oh this album's number one on Billboard there are certain artists that I've heard about where they've had the like sponsorships with like say Kors light and the the week the record comes out Kors light buys 300,000 copies of the record so that that goes number one I mean it's all rigged financially it's all rigged by money so it's like none of it's real the Grammys aren't real you know it just it's to me it's all so strange the the Grammys aren't real yeah none of that's real you think any of that's real do you are people there are people that charge that are services that are people that were at one point worked for the Grammy organization and they have the email addresses of all the people that they know that vote so they're people that will charge you like five grand to bombard these people with emails all year so that by the time they see the voting sheet they're like oh that [ __ ] person I'll vote for that like there's there's things like that but besides that dude it's like the Grammys are a self-contained operation of like the old media like it's it's like Clive Davis and all those people and they're all like like like a random band from nowhere who nobody's ever heard of is never going to win a Grammy unless they've got money behind them do you know what I mean so like the whole show like what I mean like the Billboards are fake and all that [ __ ] all that shit's not real it's not like it's not like the 50s where like Muddy Waters puts out something and it goes straight to the top of the charts and all of a sudden like race music becomes like this big thing it's not that way anymore it's all corporate controlled by the 1% it's controlled by the boms of the world who are putting it on the television who are who are deciding who's going to win like Arcade Fire wins a [ __ ] Grammy because they think that that like you know everyone feels like it's been too pop oriented so let's give one to Arcade Fire this year and it's like is much as I want to believe that
there are like the fans are in any way involved in these kind of processes they're totally not it's just all the marketing there's there's [ __ ] five people calling all the radio station programming for the year there's you know people buying their way to the top of the buying grammies and buying their way to the top of the billboard it's like if everybody's if rich people are the only people that have the ability to buy their way in the top like why would why would some why would Muddy Waters even care do you know what I mean but it's just the the system has changed so much like but that isn't that just the system as far as like the awards and award shows that's I'm saying all those kind of things like the accolades that that go along with being a musician like that you know going out and playing a show and having a Grassroots thing like that's one thing that's real but like all the accolades of the Billboards and the awards and all that all that stuff is just for show you know what I mean and it's highly manipulated so well it makes sense I mean it all it totally makes sense I me why wouldn't they manipulate it if they could manipulate it if it led to fin of course if they're scratching each other backs like you know C Davis is going to make a record and he's going to give it to the to the when they go to their Bohemian Grove little party that they do or whatever they're going to [ __ ] he's going to say hey uh I'm going to send you the new uh you know Kanye record or whatever I'm going send you the new Alicia Keys record and the radio stations are going to [ __ ] you know they're going to get you know they're not getting Paya but they're [ __ ] getting free trips to Disneyland for their whole family and like five other people you know to [ __ ] play Like This Record that so and so's invested in so just to me it's all a kind of a joke and that's probably why I'm not why I'm not a rich man is because I I [ __ ] i m i spout off about this [ __ ] all the time on my radio show too and I'm like like [ __ ] what's your what's your radio show on I'm on Sirius on Sirius XM on uh Outlaw country channel 60 I'm on is that the uh XXX channel is that what it is oh well it's called electric Rodeo the trip XX thing was something where I was trying
to actually uh it's kind of defunked in a way now I mean I still play all those bands but there's this whole like underground country underground kind of roots Blues thing that was happening and and it was getting boxed into this Americana [ __ ] it was getting real like Americana and Country and everything there was this real big gap in the middle and there was all these bands that were falling in the Gap so I was like I started a website with that and it was kind of just a play on AAA radio and I was like I don't know I got more heat over it I mean it helped a lot of artists and I know it did because because I'm friends with them and and it definitely I I I've now started producing a lot of other people and started working in the studio with them more as opposed to promoting them which has been really good but um it was just a way of trying to promote all these really great bands that really just weren't getting any chance but I still play all those bands on my radio show but it's called Uh electric rodo I've been doing it like nine years now which is kind of insane but I I don't do it like this I do it on the Fly I was like looking at this and I'm like man seems like I've been doing my show for nine years I was like that would actually have something to show for it you guys are smarter than I am you know I do mine on the fly on my laptop like wherever I'm at sometimes I've done on an airplane when I'm flying you know just whenever I got to get it in by the end of the week so well this thing is just I mean we need other people here you know this is like a location to do it from you know but [ __ ] what a great location when the [ __ ] wolf and predator and [ __ ] lava lamps and [ __ ] antlers and this place is insane well we we turned it into this we first moved in here it was the opposite was like a boardroom or something it was just a regular office even even the covers over the fluorescent lights I've never seen that [ __ ] before oh there space yeah yeah man I mean it's the vibe in this room it's like I would never if I were you I would just stay in this room all the time I just never leave the pool table outside yeah it's a good spot great spot man yeah I uh I think it's important to have a space where you you feel comfortable
you know you feel like you could just chill out it doesn't feel corporate I think it enhances the conversations in in a lot of ways for sure man you know and also just it's a a creepy secret spot it feels like a creepy secret spot it's great man it's great I love it so you think that you doing your radio show and being honest about all these things has held you back well I don't know I mean I do know like one time I said the thing about about the billboard and I I had evidence of this and I'm not going to say what artist was cuz I'm not in the business of doing that but there was this big name artist who had this new record coming out and his sponsor company bought 300,000 copies of it first week so they would make sure that it went number one and I said that on the radio and and my boss says and they've he's told me I've gotten a lot of calls they've called him and they said he's saying this [ __ ] and it's irresponsible because it's not true and I'm like yes it is true I know it's true I've seen the paper that said it was true but I think they get pissed that I say it and but a lot of people don't like me they blackballed me a long time ago anyway because I was just always I've always been that way man I'm to my disadvantage a lot of ways but like if someone's a phony I hate that more than anything in the world man and you know there have been times in my life when I was a phony growing up you know with girls and with things like so you know we try to you try to get into that but as you get older and as I've gotten older it's just there's so much insincerity and especially in the music business that I have such a disdain for it it's just like like the way that the writers work I mean what's happened to country music is is directly responsible I mean directly related to like the exact you know what we're talking about Corporate America it's like the same kind of [ __ ] it's just it's just gotten to where these corporations are in so much power and they have so much money that it's really hard for like the little man to beat it you know and so I just get really I I see people who pretend to be for the little man or they but yet they're playing this [ __ ] ball game over here and like talking out both sides of MTH and it just kills me you
know what I mean so I'll say it I'll happily say it all day long you know but uh but yeah like I definitely think that that it there there are groups I just found out about a group in Nashville but there are groups much like the Bilderberg Group where they in in music and in movies and things I mean I know everybody knows they kind of have that kind of thing but but there are actual groups where they where they orchestrate kind of who they're going to who they're going L their support to I mean they they never played me on the radio it's not like they're going to have a meeting and they're say we're we're going to purposely keep shooter out it's not like that not that paranoid but uh but I I'm I do know that they have meetings about uh where the studio heads and the local community and the Congress and city planners and developers and and certain record labels mostly independent The Independents have kind of Choke holded out the the corporate ones a little bit they've in a weird way especially in in Nashville but and the songwriters and the radio people and they have these Retreats that they go on together it's like duh like of course they're all scratching each other's backs like of course like the little guy they have to pay like 15 grand to join this group to go on these Retreats you know and keep paying it's like like it's fascinating to me you know like when people are like that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard that doesn't happen it's like if you think that doesn't happen then you're are dumb because of course these people want to they want the their job they want to stay in they want to keep the money they're making so they'll do anything it takes to keep that position yeah it's unfortunate right that people that are in that sort of a position they're making a shitload of money don't realize like man this is kind of bad for the art form itself to do this like the very art form that we need that we're selling care yeah they want it's the short-term victory that they want and it's like the longterm like people like us you know like I'm a movie fan like I'm a BL runnner is my favorite movie of all time but I crazy oh man I I watched it the other day watch how many times have you watched it I mean hundreds at least I I just bought all these prints these posters is that
off a Philip Phil K dick novel is that it's about yeah do Android's Dream of Electric Sheep is the name of of the book um what a great [ __ ] movie man great movie and stands up you know stands up at the end of the movie the original version was Harrison SP Ford supposed to find out that he's a robot too well that's the kind of that's kind of the point of it's like the kind of the point of the movie a little bit is is that I mean it's implied in that especially when at the very end of the movie Edward James almost his character like he's been leaving this origami all over the place but he leaves the unicorn but see in the original one I just watched the theatrical one for the first time I had never seen it the one where um Harrison Ford narrates the film oh that's the uh original director's cut no the director's cut is when he does not they took his voice off and and they took the last scene out of the movie where they drive away that's the only one you've seen the one up until now which one the director's cut yeah yeah cuz that's the only one you can buy the the minute it was available on DVD I don't know about VHS but like the minute the DVDs came out the directors cut saturated the market so like I on um Voodoo I bought it I was like trying to figure out a way when I was traveling in a on the road in a car and to venue to venue I was trying to figure out a way to I don't have enough space on my [ __ ] iPhone cuz the [ __ ] iCloud and the pictures and all this [ __ ] and it's always full and I want to throw it against the wall you know but I uh the Voodoo app lets me watch movies so I was like oh I'm going to watch Blade Runner and then I pulled it up and it was that that version which I had never seen But there then there was a final cut that was made about seven or eight years ago that came out and that one has the deleted unicorn scene in it and what what what that is is that I guess that that uh Harrison Ford's character has some kind of a like there's a unicorn thing in his past in his memory he has a memory of a unicorn and there's a scene where in the movie in the Final Cut where he shoots that chick that had the snake around her neck when he shoots her there's this shot of this unicorn CU it like reminded him of
this thing and it it's kind of like connecting the dots that he has this weird memory of a unicorn in the woods and at the very end of the film Edward James almost makes a unicorn he he walks out the front door of his house and there's a unicorn out of origami sitting there and that's like Edward James almost saying hey you know we you're actually one too so that was kind of the implied but the whole thing is like you know if she's one if he's one you know anyone could be one and that was the kind of you know am I a robot are we all robots like you know that's kind of the the ultimate story but it never confirms that but in the in the book they run away together and she she ends up dying and it's like a love story and and he he it ends up not mattering if he is one or not because you know well in the real world that we live in right now that seems like much more likely a possibility than it ever did when Blade Runner came out yeah man like back then like the idea of a robot that looks exactly like a person like yeah yeah yeah might as well be traveling to the Moon might as well be [ __ ] you know Battle Star Galactica or something zenu yeah but now you when you see the the artificial bodies that they're able to create now like these robot faces that move and articulate just like a human face like really similar like some of those Japanese ones they're so similar yeah and you just imagine what's 100 years from now going to be like and like this uh the company that hologram the company that made the Tupac hologram and the Jackson one they' reached out to me and I met the guy yesterday this guy Gary and there he I'm I may be going there I have to go get my kids from here and I may be taking them to this guy because he's contacted me about wanting to do like a whan holog like I think that they're trying to talk about getting a bunch of the guys and making a hologram of like cash and whan and all the hoery and all who knows but like he wants to give me the demonstration but I was talking to him about it and he said man you know the [ __ ] on TV like when it's not lit a certain way like he didn't like the lighting on the Michael Jackson one he said it wasn't right but he said that that when they do it correctly that that uh see it's like with Michael Jackson
they have a body double and then they have this face technology that like that does the face on top of someone else's face so it it looks like right but like you don't really have to do that like it's not CGI people so they have the ability right now they have the ability to do the help me Obi-Wan like I can they can they have one thing that's got these 3D cameras and I can be in that room he was telling me a story about an Indian a guy in India who's running for uh president or whatever their [ __ ] thing is over there and that that he he he told people he was really rich and he had like 3% of the vote and he set up these hologram things in like every town and he paid for them to all be over there and said like hey come see me I'm going to I'm going to talk to your town and he and he like stood at home in this thing and he appeared in like 50 towns and they didn't even know it was a hog Ram they thought he was really there and he never told him so they thought he really came to their [ __ ] [ __ ] town where there was nothing to do like you know their little village and it was like this guy and like he said right now like I could go over there and they could have like a hologram thing set up in Japan and I could like literally in front of the cameras and I'd be in Japan and I'd be talking to [ __ ] and totally like help me OB me one save me ob one or like the [ __ ] Sith Lord guy appearing like talking to Vader but it doesn't even look like that he said when it's in a normal room it looks like you can't tell the difference from a hologram I I will report to you on this after I go to it if after I go see this demonstration do you remember when they had that on television for CNN when they were covering the news and Wolf Blitzer would like stand the CNN hologram the holiday no yeah yeah yeah what yeah they uh they experimented with it during um elections you got a video of it Jamie hi guy Indian guy let's see the Indian guy oh you found it yeah that sound really long it's like 45 that so that dude right there is a hologram so he's not really there he just kind of appeared wow wow how do he appear it be dope if he [ __ ] appeared out of smoke yeah they
were saying a demonstration they gave that guy who was like an like presenting an award and and they he was standing in the room and this whole family walked in the room and uh and he was standing there and he talked to them and they were like talking to him back and everything and then he just bust into flames and they were like all freaked out cuz they thought he was real look at this look at how he comes in first of all how strange let him walk in again Jamie back up a little again because that guy's got the fakest hand wve ever I would never vote for that [ __ ] just by the way maybe this is like an Indian thing that I don't understand look at that they're introducing homeboy look first of all he's wearing a dress what's that all about are you a school teacher you're an old lady school teacher oh man he's got a theme song too look da da that's hilarious he [ __ ] waving his hands he's wearing white tights and a dress this guy's a freak he's a hologram he's wearing white tights and a dress and he's going to sit down in a chair hologram his white tights in a dress so bizarre man that's so bizarre it man isn't it isn't it crazy I mean the technology that you can the the fact that you can do that is just like it's so so amazing like I would love to not have to ever do a show like travel to do a show just stand in my [ __ ] people want you to be there though they want you to be there physically know they didn't know yeah but isn't it something about actually knowing that the guy's there yeah of course it's like did you ever hear that band man or astroman no they were a band like in the like early 2000s late 90s but they had had they had clone bands they they had wore masks they wore these hoods so they had like five clone bands and they'd send them out on the road and you would never know if it was the real band or not because they always had the hoods on and [ __ ] but they would have like five different bands they would just send out touring oh that's silly yeah you know people didn't know it I know but isn't that like half the thing the reason why you pay to see you want the guy to be right there yeah you know like your reputation
would be really damaged if they found out that you were actually in your living room and the [ __ ] it like it like started [ __ ] up while you were doing it man that I would be righteous though if I was watching [ __ ] like you know CN thing yeah yeah see the the CNN thing that they did during the Wolf Blitzer yeah they only did it during the elections and it's like everybody's like oo they're busting out the [ __ ] hologram this is crazy wow and he would you know be in another location and they you they would appear they started it with Will I Am the guy from the blackeyed peas they started with him and then they used it with him I don't know they used it it was it an Obama event it wasn't it a John MCC didn't pull out the the C the CNN reporters did it time here see there Chicago it's a beautiful time in Los Angeles my mom text me telling me how proud she is of me and u pull it back so you can see him appear That's fascinating in Park's see if like let's make it look as much like Star Trek as we can the appearing process oh this is great you know we're at the eve of uh a brand new day in America how weird that feel good being here in Chicago uh holog performer and Obama supporter looks like basically like exactly like in uh in Star Trek when they would beam people down that's what it looks like right here yeah but yeah but this is it's it's a beautiful time here um in Chicago it's a beautiful time in Los Angeles my what's the purpose of this just to show off te show off the technology yeah well to just the added element they did it with Wolf Blitzer I remember he was uh he was a hologram too isn't it funny though to listen to that guy it's a beautiful time everything's amazing cut two everybody [ __ ] hates him six years later right you [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] all of you you [ __ ] even will I am right didn't he like run for uh he was going to be the president of Haiti or some [ __ ] like that no no no that was oh that was the other guy the guy from uh I confus will I am with what's his name White the same guy to me yeah it's I was about to make that joke when you said that about it being white John and then you said it yeah it was this broad going to beire like she's some chick that will am was banging like 20 minutes
before did you hear the did you hear the guy all the controversy about the dude who who babab bued or no no no he didn't Baba bu he he the MSN thing recently the Howard turn thing no what happened MSNBC do you know what I'm talking about there's this guy there was a guy who uh I kept trying to remember his wackpack name on there but like he had gone into retirement from doing prank calls well one day recently on they were talking about the Malaysia Air thing and this guy calls in and they're like we've got this soldier from the war on the phone and he goes yes I believe I saw something I you know I saw I was driving and I looked out of my P wi I saw something I believe it was a giant burst of wind from Howard Stern's ass that hit the Malaysia plane and all of a sudden like the lady's like excuse me she's like so can you tell me what you like she starts he goes are you goes boy you're [ __ ] dumb aren't you to the girl and they like cut the transmission and there was like and he turns out he wrote an email to Howard people he said this is how I got in the there he said he called in he said that he was a he was a soldier in the Air Force or something and they put him on the phone with a another guy who then like was trying to quiz him on on him being legit and he totally said he bullshitted his way all the way through it the guy let him through they let him on [ __ ] MSNBC in this moment and this chick her name was crystal ball was the name of the chick I I reason why I can remember it but and she was just like you know had no idea what to do with that when the guy said [ __ ] but burst of wind from Power Stern's ass is what hit it like you know MSNBC like is in all this trouble cuz like no one was paying attention while it went down for so long for a couple minutes and then they cut it and it was like man everyone got fired because it was like I mean they they they not only did he get through but they didn't even catch that he said Howard Stern's ass for a long time you well when you doing those things those remotes you have an earpiece in and a lot of times it's hard to understand what the [ __ ] anybody's saying and there's a bit of a delay between them saying it and you hearing crystal ball I can I can I can forgive her but the guy sitting over there
watching the [ __ ] broadcast are supposedly watching the broadcast when it goes down and and editing on the Fly and all that that guy should have been like uh cut it you know cut it now but I don't know you remember the someting Wong when the when the plane crashed yeah that was another one four different names and they all got fired because some editor [ __ ] up and yeah something Wong did you see that yeah there was something uh recently the the New York daily news let some fake story go through and uh didn't do any fact checking it was all over the news I forget what New York Daily News hoax daily H that's funny man they they all are it happens all the time yeah people are trying so hard you know it's like when fake news comes through that's like the most real thing we're getting yeah well you know we live in strange times where anybody can get information out and you can but especially with these Legacy media places like that like like news like we're we're getting someone who's live on the scene and like that's like those are targets for people [ __ ] with people yeah it's like cuz you know that everyone's looking at this everyone's paying attention to this if you can get on there and Baba buoy it you'll definitely get like some play on the radio show yeah so people will do things like that I don't know our sh's penis yeah it's uh we're we we're in weird times when it comes to that we're also in weird times when it comes to those things being relevant at all because at a certain point in time you got to people they're realizing that more people are paying attention to online sources than they are Twitter they are yeah Facebook Twitter all the above there's so many different things it's like Nightly News like who W I mean I'll watch I do I will say like if if I'm if I'm cruising the channels and I'm home and like the five six o' news is on I'll turn on because I because of locally to La like if there's anything going on I'll kind of be interested in that but otherwise like who watches the news on like channel two yeah I mean who watches [ __ ] CM the only reason why they watch CNN is because of you know it'll be something massive has happened and people want to tune in like watch it 24/7 otherwise it's like you don't really it's going away it's going away
slowly but surely and also the format is so bizarre the like the the evening news like the Los Angeles Evening News those are the fakest broadcasts in the world the way everyone talks is fake you don't get you don't see any personality you don't have any connection to those people you know if you had someone like Shooter Jennings reads the news like man some [ __ ] went down today you know and and you start people would connect to that in a way like oh this is a real guy and he's telling me about some real stuff but if you watch the average broadcast that's on a local news show they're so it's so fake yeah and it's so like uptight and and weird yeah and it's just the same garbage dunk to you like it's not updated that's why people like you know I don't like I look at my Twitter feed for that like if I hear something's going on or if I like you know if I see something like it's like the culmination of all the people I follow kind of provide the correct information you know what I mean that seems more effective to me yeah and even then you still have to process stuff there's so much [ __ ] it's so difficult to figure out what's right and what's wrong and and then when you have disinformation thrown into the mix I mean it's been proven that government organizations will when there's something bad goes down they'll throw a bunch of wacky [ __ ] into the news as well to sort of counterbalance like there's a lot of people out there that believe that a lot of the conspiracy theorists that like say the most ridiculous [ __ ] that they're they're being hired to say yeah ridiculous [ __ ] because it makes all conspir conspiracies sound silly yeah yeah yeah of course I believe that 100% I believe that they misinformation agents all over the place Manley P hall was one man Manley P hall famous writer and wrote a lot of books about a lot of conspiracy type thing and he was a straight up uh disinformation agent for the the Masons really yeah he was like he was out there trying to Cloud up the religion side of things for the Masons via the conspiracy world and Manley Pall is like famous and a lot of people swear by his [ __ ] but he was really Amon and he was like in bed with that what did they ever figured that William uh what's the guy who wrote Behold a pale horse
man we could talk about this guy a lot I Bill Cooper Bill Cooper man I I love his [ __ ] dude and did you ever he wrot a lot of really nutty [ __ ] about like alien bases on the moon and yeah yeah he got into some [ __ ] like that in there but man if you did you ever listen to his radio show you you can download every episode of it I've been trying I've been in contact with his uh estate because I'm trying to take the hour of the time is the name of the show and every single episode you know he was killed on the 5th of November 2001 was he he was the US was he like in a fight oh SHO gunfight he said on the air he was like look cuz Bill Clinton labeled him the most dangerous person on radio and he said he he said they're going to come after me and he goes and I bet you money that they're going to use the IRS is the reason and so they did they they had it so he moved his family away and they came after him for tax evasion and and when he wouldn't comply they sent the US Marshals in there and uh and they shot at him and he shot one of them and they killed him really yeah but he's man that story that dude is very fascinating cuz he is the real life like like like dude I mean in my the black ribbons record the Stephen King character gets killed and everything at the end I mean he's the real life character of that like this guy was out there and His Radio Show was awesome and he was just like telling you like the first person talking about the Bilderberg Group the first person talking about all these people and just laying it out there no matter what who it who it pissed off and eventually it pissed off enough people to get him killed but he but he uh he's very fascinating and in the hour of the time I wanted to take the first episode of it and print it on a 12-in vinyl cuz it's just long enough I wanted to put music under it and and and and make a record on a record label and I was trying to get the family to let me do that but they were interested but then they kind of disappeared on me but have you ever looked into William Cooper debunked I have I've looked into some of that stuff but I mean it it it see to me William Cooper I mean obviously he was hitting on some pretty harsh things if if he was killed by the United States government I mean they don't or well maybe he owed a lot of taxes and he got
in a shootout with the Federal Marshals who came to arrest him is that possible too yeah but I but if you if you got if you listen to his show he's very sane he's not he doesn't he's he seems he's very collected he's very smart very educated like it'd be one thing if he was like full of [ __ ] but he's not like his if you listen to his show he's he was he was very wise to things and he was and he was saying a lot of [ __ ] that would piss a lot of people off and I know for a fact a lot of his I read his book and halfway in the book I was like [ __ ] and I tossed it across the room the Behold a pale hor yeah yeah there was some wacky [ __ ] in there here's if you go to rational Wiki yeah you go to rational Wiki he believ that UFO people were controlling the world that UFO technology had been used in Vietnam he became uh one of the stars on the UFO lecture circuit writing books that alleged that space aliens were part of the New World Order he later believed believed that he had been tricked into believing in Aliens and it was all part of an Illuminati plot including the JFK assassination and the faked moonlandings uh yeah he you know about the kubric moonlanding thing right what about it about how the there's there's a theory that that uh that the US government wanted the the the technology that he developed during Doctor Strange Love and he used in 2001 for the monkeys and in backgrounds and the way he shot that stuff that they came to him to film them the to fake the the moon landings yeah I've heard that and they said they would fund they would give him unlimited access to the to NASA and everything for 2001 and fund every film forever and so that supposedly like he was hinting at a lot of it in the 2001 and in eyes wide shot especially in eyes wide shot that he was hinting to like what he'd done in the movie A lot well there's documentaries that show all the the secret symbolism that he put into The Shining that movie is terrible because see I had studied all that [ __ ] man and it's so true there's such cool [ __ ] in it and that movie was like they were like review they were like interviewing the craziest people on the planet Earth with no frame of reference to what they were talking about and like when you watch that movie it's like why did it sounds like they're crazy it sounds like
everything about that movie is [ __ ] because these people who are talking are clearly insane and and but the the people who who like actually did the research before those cooks are the people that it was kind of fascinating about but I'm a big kubri nerd anyway so well kubri was definitely a genius and definitely a fascinating guy if anybody was capable of faking anything reality sandwich is a website reality sandwich there's an article yeah I've read that reading yeah I'm I'm not convinced but I'm fascinated I'm not convinced I'm not convinced about any of it to be honestly I'm not convinced about the moonland I'm not convinced about this so I mean I I I don't know you ever heard Bill Clinton's taking the moon landing no this is one of the best Bill Clinton uh wrote this book called my life and uh in his book my life he had a a whole quote about um about the moon here pull it up oh I know the My Life Book uh this is the this is the quote he wrote in his quote he wrote about when he was young um uh and he had seen the the moonlanding goes this is uh I forget what page it is it just says just a month before Apollo uh 11 astronauts Buzz Aldren and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague Michael Collins above uh aboard Starship Columbia and walked on the moon beating by five months President Kennedy's goal of putting a mo a man on the moon before the end of the decade um the old carpenter asked me if I believe that it happened I said sure I saw it on television he disagreed he said that he didn't believe it for a minute and that them television Fellers in quote could make things look real that weren't back then I thought he was a crank during my eight years in Washington I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time that's [ __ ] crazy that's crazy that a president would say that of the United States would say I saw some things on television during my time in Washington that make me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time specifically talking about a guy claiming that the moon landings were fake see I I could totally buy it too because of the fact that especially in in then and where technology is I mean look at us now like we haven't gone back and we're try we've sent a Rover to Mars
but we have not done rovers are easy the real thing is biological life in space that's the really difficult thing because of the radiation because of the solar flares because of all sorts of microm meteors there's all sorts of things that can happen to someone when they're outside yeah you know when you're you're out there in space you're not protected by the environment you're not protected by the atmosphere so there's no no protection from like microm meteors asteroidal impacts like all the different things like when you see shooting stars those are [ __ ] rocks were in space that made their way down to Earth but they get eaten up in the atmosphere they burn out yeah I mean the radiation's the big one I mean here's the thing I think that what we're going to know and I tell you when we're going to know is is these independent contractors are trying to get to the moon Google being one of them when someone else act someone else besides the government goes to the moon I don't mean the Russian government the same time like if some someone independent goes to the moon and it looks way different than it did when they did it in the' 60s you know and it's like oh like really don't float when we walk here you know what I mean like then we'll know you know there's there's a lot of [ __ ] things about that there's if you know on that one website with the kubic thing they like do this contrast thing where it kind of compares the 2001 monkey scenes to the yeah well that was they were comparing a style of filming calling I think it was called front screen projection yeah yeah something along those lines that's exactly what it is front screen or rear screen or whatever it is it's he he had a it's like a a two-way mirror and there's these certain kind of beads and there's the projection coming from a different angle and it was able to like you're able to film the actors on the stage at the same time as the background instead of adding it later so that's why it looks real yeah the reality sandwich uh title is how cubric faked the moon landing yeah uh you know I think I don't know if this is this I I I believed in it wholeheartedly for a long time and this reality sandwich article shows um the use of this front screen projection method and how uh it it mimics I think
that's what it's called how it mimics what the shots looked like uh from the moon landings the real issue with the moonlandings is how few if you if you stop and think about between 1969 and 1972 that yeah that that's when all these took place and that no one has been more than 400 miles above the Earth's surface since then yeah that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying that's what seems so so ridiculous to me not only that how about when Neil Armstrong he's uh there's a 20th anniversary of the moon landing uh for NASA and uh he he gives his speech or 25th anniversary I think it was yeah that's what it was and he gives this speech uh at the White House and the his words were there are great ideas undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers that's that's the quote that he gives he's he's speaking to America's uh honor students like all the uh the high school students that that get the best grades and science and math and all these different things and they're all there listening to this guy's the first man on the moon talk and this is the thing he says there are great ideas undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of Truth protective layers yeah what the [ __ ] does that mean God like that's so between him and Clinton it's almost like if the moon landings were real like they're clearly [ __ ] with everybody begging for people to read into it yeah but if it wasn't real it's almost like Poetic how how uh they're dropping these truths yeah that was how with kubri like they said that that in a lot of the films like he was dropping like the guilt of the fact that he that he lied that he did this thing and that it's a you know that he was trying to trying to admit it in a lot of the films it is pretty crazy that the last time people went was 1972 yeah like we haven't come [ __ ] close since not only have we not come close we've never gone further than 400 miles that's that's the thing about every single space shuttle mission every Space Station Mission everything is inside of 400 miles from the Earth surface except the Apollo missions all those were 260,000 miles and back you know so it's it's hard to believe it is hard to believe and I mean there it's
like you're like yeah no one's ever going to make it to the moon they're never going to prove it we'll be all be dead by the time they do anyway who cares the big mind [ __ ] for me is when you look at the Moon itself like you're sitting at home and you look up you see the Moon you're like [ __ ] nobody went there yeah you're like you did not no way look at that [ __ ] that's [ __ ] but we know that they did go to space so if they go to I mean I couldn't believe they could go to space in a [ __ ] rocket from 1969 yeah yeah I don't know I don't know I would look I love sexy ideas and the big sexy idea is that they didn't go that they faked it all they somehow or another kept it for the American people that's the big sexy idea that's the fun one that's the fun version it's also that that time was just so filled with [ __ ] that was the time of the Nixon Administration Watergate and [ __ ] I mean that was just lying the Gulf of tonan incident they'd already faked they got us into Vietnam with a fake [ __ ] attack yeah I mean that's wild widely accepted now that the Gulf of tonen incident false flag yeah didn't really happen and that's that caused more than a million deaths yeah they got us into I mean that's way crazier than the idea of just faking a trip to a near it's true man you're so right man and you know as time goes on like these things do get exposed that would be a [ __ ] of a mind [ __ ] though if they did find out that it really was all [ __ ] that no one did land on the moon yeah like or that every like what if everything was true all the conspiracy [ __ ] was true you know what I mean like you just start finding that [ __ ] out I mean look man if if if what's his name Virgin Galactic if you can pay in Bitcoin to get on a [ __ ] trip to space right now like take me to the Moon yeah that's too far they can't really do that did you uh ever hear about the fake moon rock that was given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren no it was fake yeah pull it up it's kind of interesting Jamie is uh there was wait a minute there was a moon rock that was given to the Dutch prime minister by the AP 11 astronauts um and uh once they examined it like many many years later they were um they were doing it for I believe it was for an insurance investigation and it was
actually just petrified wood really yeah it was it was attached to you know whole a plaque that said it was there from you know Apollo 11 and Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren and taking this from the Moon and this is the the and they and they said and Buzz Aldren and Neil said yeah this is really for the moon oh yeah that's what it said on the well you know whoever gave them the rock I mean it's I don't know if the actual rock was handed to them by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren but it was supposedly a rock that was given to the Dutch prime minister from the Apollo everan Astronauts in 1969 and uh it was fake wow yeah it was it was during a global tour it was it was given to them um 50 years uh okay it says The Rock was given to William Drees a former Dutch leader during a global Tour by Neil Armstrong Michael Collins and Buzz Aldren following their moon mission yeah The Rock was then donated to uh a museum uh after the Dutch prime minister's death in 1988 and so then uh after that I guess uh they decided to test it and when they tested it they found out that it was actually just petrified [Laughter] wood so [ __ ] dumb yeah I mean who knows I mean maybe it's just like they're like [ __ ] this guy give them maybe we did go to the moon but you know rocks are valuable this guy's the Dutch prime minister give him you got some [ __ ] that looks like a moon rock yeah it's a symbolic gesture either way the either way if Buzz Aldren and Neil Armstrong were in the no then the moon landing is faked I mean that's who knows if they were in the no but if they weren't in the no then then even further if they were if look dude if you and I walked on the moon together and it was just the two of us mhm and we came back and we're the only two humans that walked on the [ __ ] Moon first of all wouldn't you think that we would like look around and be like man look at this [ __ ] I mean you don't think we would been like la la whatever some Moon just another place so so by the time you get to this if somebody hands you a [ __ ] piece of wood this petrified wood and SS you hey this is from your moon trip
first of all neither one of you picked it up and brought it back because you know that second of all like would don't you think we would know that it's not especially if our whole life was meant to get to this point and somebody hands you this rock that you're supposed to give to someone that is a moon rock don't you think that I mean I don't I'm not a geologist so I could never even speculate is that whether or not I'd be able to tell where a rock came from well you know for sure that you didn't pick it up and bring it back maybe but maybe it looks a lot like a rock that you brought back and you'd think it was you know I don't know what the [ __ ] a moon rock actually looks pull up a real moon rock let's let's look we just saw that image if there is a real moon rock well they definitely got moon rocks that came from asteroidal impacts that was actually one of the big points of contention because Warner uh Von braa who was a Nazi a straightup Nazi ladies and gentlemen that's a real moon rock mhm wow it looks like an asteroid it looks like it came from uh from space that's the the thing about um uh the wner Herzog thing wner Von Bron rather uh wner Von Bron was in Antarctica in 1969 before the actual or 67 one of those um before the actual um moood Landings took place collecting asteroids that they had gone to Antarctica because Antarctica is one of the places where they uh could be assured that a lot of the asteroids that had landed there for whatever reason they knew still there were from the Moon themselves so they uh they collected a lot of these to examine them interesting yeah this picture is of wner Von Brawn in uh Antarctica he had a broken arm at the time I don't know what happened to him maybe he's thinking about not faking the moon they beat the [ __ ] up to say huh there's missing moon rocks and they're worth a lot of money on the black market yeah imagine [ __ ] Moon Rock Goodwill moon rocks is what it's called you going have a moon rock in your house 5 million that's all people come over they'd be [ __ ] they'd think you're the [ __ ] man well that's there's a there's a whole black market for stolen art because there's a lot of people that just they don't give a [ __ ] they just want that art whether it's stolen or not
stolen you know they just they just want that art they could hide it and you know have people come over and bring them to their secret layer look this is from Egypt this is some [ __ ] they stole during the the Iraq oh that's all of a sudden it's like rean Reagan and the Wolf up there that was fun we're uh we're running out of time here in 10 minutes we turn to a pumpkin uh oh yeah yeah we just did three hours that is that fast man it's it's great doing this I see why it like zooms by it's just fun just to talk yeah and yeah I mean that's you've got the skill of being being like it your mind is is alive so it's like when you talk to you it's like it just it just rolls it's like seamless information flying all over the place place from you know back and forth think we started talking about scientology and and did not take one breath and got all the way to the faked moon landing and well there's so much to talk about you know that's the thing the beautiful thing about this world today is there's so much goddamn information it's constantly coming at you and you can't pay attention to all of it if you do you'll go mad like I one thing I've get done to myself lately is force myself to stay offline for like many many hour days at a time just I couldn't do it I would I mean I mean I would be happy not to I'm happy to throw my phone aside cuz I like I run my own business I run the record label that we do with my manager and like like I was packing like Sunday night me and my wife were literally packing all the pre-orders of like our vinyl that we did in boxes and shipping them and [ __ ] and we've set up a warehouse and we've done all this [ __ ] so like I'm stressed out all the [ __ ] time and I'm in the studio all the time and I got my kids all the time so when I get my kids I like love throwing my phone aside but I would be real bummed if I didn't have like didn't have no if I wasn't able to get on the internet cuz like part of my favorite my nonstress time is is uh there's a game called combat arms it's like a free like firstperson shooter game that like online only that me and my manager and buddies we go in there and play and kill each other and like do that kind of stuff or like I sit on IRC and talk about [ __ ] or like IRC dude you're a serious geek I'm on you go on
IRC all the time I'm on there right I mean I'm I I you know sit on there all the time but I I go on the yeah late at night I'll go on the Bitcoin channels uh on the free node thing which is their their C kind of communication server and talk to a lot of developer guys and stuff like I like yeah man it's like that's my favorite thing to do you know I I don't do Facebook like that's n i mean I have a I have an official page but I don't use it I don't like do it socially I'll do Twitter I always like Twitter because it's kind of like a oneway thing in a weird way that I always liked that communication better but then I I got over a little overwhelmed by like I used to be on all the time and I used to like do [ __ ] all the time and kind of like when I went through my split up with with my last X or whatever and there was a it just got really complicated there was all of a sudden there was like factions of people and there were people commenting and there were it just became kind of like weird in public and so after that I kind of backed it off a little bit but yeah if you go through something in public and everything like is subject to other people's criticisms and evaluations with or without any information whatsoever and then you watch it all play out you're like what yeah see right around that time I had just started to creep into Facebook and started to enjoy it I was like posting pictures of like Skeletor and [ __ ] that I was into you know all day long with my friends and I'm like keeping up with my friends for the first time I'm like oh this is kind of cool and then all like this wave of negativity hit me I'm like [ __ ] that thing and I threw it away you know what I mean so I've never done Facebook since and then and then uh Twitter Twi I kind of I backed off a little bit on but you know but but I I like it a lot better like I think it's I definitely think it's it's more my speed but like you know if I had it my way everybody'd be in IRC what I like about Twitter is retweeting [ __ ] I like people send me interesting stuff then I can send it to other people and that motivates people to send me more interesting stuff and so then you you got this constant network of interesting stories coming your way yes that's that's very true yeah there's definitely a lot of dumb [ __ ] and gossip
and stuff that people get caught up in it but that's just human beings man human beings love stupid [ __ ] yeah they like to be [ __ ] you know and just say [ __ ] and just to [ __ ] with you to see if they could get a rise out of you just to get you to react just so that they know that you know Shooter Jennings is a real person on the other end of that yeah that's that's why I like to keep it where they think I'm not real just kidding like I don't react no you know what's funny like Ricky rackman is a buddy of mine and he was telling me that he's like it's funny that people write you nice [ __ ] all day long and you never replied to it but like one guy says something shitty to [ __ ] you dude that's why they do it you know it's like that's what people there's there's many many people like sometimes someone I never go back and forth with people I just I used to it's stupid I it's it's a waste of energy but I will go online and read something if someone says something rude and then I'll go look at their profile and I'll see even if they don't say something rude to me I'll go to see if they say rude to things to other people and you find out that their whole profile is just doing that [ __ ] yeah I found that out too one time I said something I said that um I tweet this was actually this is kind of when I backed off of Twitter I tweeted something about John Mayer being a giant douche because I thought that like he he like all of a sudden like was like all Hollywood and he was all played out in Hollywood and then all of a sudden he buys this place in Montana and he got a poncho and starts growing his hair out and wearing a cowboy hat and doing all that [ __ ] I was like give me a [ __ ] break but he's still hanging out at the [ __ ] chatau and ront but he's like putting this image forward and I was like phony more of the phony [ __ ] so I just called him out and like TMZ like put it I remember it was Halloween of 2012 I'll never forget it because TMZ [ __ ] puts that [ __ ] everywhere and all of a sudden I'm getting calls from like like my like my brother and like my f like they're seeing it on like the Yahoo page like the TMZ like was this thing about how I called him a king douche and all that and dude all of a sudden I had I'm looking at my Twitter and it says I've got like lots of
mentions and the number just keep going up and like and like it was like 15,5 year olds telling me what a piece of [ __ ] I was and how I was like nobody and I was doing this [ __ ] for attention I mean I've never SE so I just started retweeting all of them like it just just constantly retweeting all these people telling me what a piece of [ __ ] I was you know but after that I was like man I mean it just scared me to death I was like I am that's not worth it do you know John Mayer no I've never met him is it possible that he just like found out that like having a place of Montana is pretty cool probably are you friends with him I don't know him no I heard he's a nice guy though he hangs out at The Comedy Store sometimes he actually done stand up I mean I know I've it's easy to call him a douche first of all he's way too pretty I I know some girls that are friends of mine that have been real [ __ ] by in town like like some guys like you know you [ __ ] their friend and then like was a douchebag so like I've kind of gotten some wind of him that way and then but isn't there two sides to that too like isn't it possible those girls are annoying and they hooked up him and he was like you know what I can't do with you anymore before you know the truth she was like [ __ ] John mayor he's an [ __ ] but meanwhile he just got bored yeah he doesn't like them maybe they're annoying you know the same type of girls would go on ratting him out and saying these you know crazy things about him those are also the same type of girls that would be annoying if you were John Mayor and you were dating that girl right right yeah it's easy I mean you can say that but you could also say like man I really don't like his music all and I and I really didn't like it his version of freef Fallen which was like all these like 12-year-old kids think John Mayer wrote this song and then and so I had I already had issues and I'm sure that there are people that have the same kind of issues with me but it is kind of a well-known fact that that John May is a douchebag I mean I can guarantee that that it's kind of not news I don't know the guy I don't either I would Reserve judgment until I meet a person that that see that makes you a better man than I in this situ situation because I I did
not Reserve judgment I got he I I'm reading this Rolling Stone article and my blood is boiling and he bought a ranch in Montana just cuz he's like he's like putting forth this like I'm he calls himself the new Neil Young in the article that that he says he says I'm this Generations Neil Young or something like that and I was like that's what flipped the switch for me where I was like [ __ ] you and your [ __ ] Body Is a Wonderland [ __ ] you that's that's what it was I mean it's like you know don't say that don't say if he said if I'm this generation's Neil Neil Young the Norah Jones is this generation's like I don't know who J Jin it would it was something something so like that doesn't work it it was like something even worse that he said but but I mean just to say that just rub me the wrong way I'm a huge Neil Young fan and I was like you got a lot to learn before you're going to be Neil Young John Mayor um I worked at a a con when before I was a comedian I worked as a security guard at Great Woods Great Woods is this place in Field Massachusetts that has these concerts and uh the Neil Young show was the last one I ever worked cuz like this is too [ __ ] crazy I was like I got to get out because I thought I thought I was going to get killed like somebody was going to get killed yeah it was Madness because the way Great Woods works is there's um a covered area and then there's a back area that's like a lawn and uh all the security people were assigned to uh you know stop people from bringing in booze like they'd bring in bottles of wine and stuff like that bottles of whiskey and also uh to keep keep order like when [ __ ] would go Haywire well the the lawn the thing about the lawn was there was no assigned seating so everybody just sat wherever they wanted to on the lawn well people just started fires and during the Neil Young concert they had to shut the concert down because the lawn was on fire like people would just and then fights broke out and I wanted I had a security jacket on and I covered my security jacket or I turned it inside out I don't remember what I did but I was like [ __ ] this job up I'm like I'm AAL now and I got the [ __ ] out of there I remember I go I don't even know if I got paid for the last day of work I don't know if I
punched out I don't remember [ __ ] but I remember saying to myself very I was probably 19 at the time it was a long time ago but I remember saying this is the last day I work as a security guard and it was the Neil Young show wow cuz it was just so crazy there was fights breaking out and [ __ ] bottles were flying and fire and it was like this is what was I getting paid like 10 bucks an hour or something stupid back then it was like this is not worth it wow that's funny man but it was cool that it was Neil Young you know at least you go out with a B you go out with the [ __ ] with Neil Young and that's like you know yeah Neil Young's the [ __ ] man you know he lives up in Northern California he's got a giant ranch ranch up there makes his own diesel yeah and he's got like what he make that he made that new iPod thing he's trying to sell and he's got yeah what is it like it's it's a his own version of an MP3 player right yeah I don't know how you can jump in that game that's that seems to me like a it always seems like a poor business decision to try because if he's not making a phone you're not going to beat the iPod like nobody buys iPods they buy phones that have music on them now I mean there's no it's called a PUO or a yeah it's called Pono Pono it's like a yeah I mean look I think it's awesome technology that he's got some [ __ ] where it's like the audio quality is way better but I mean you're jumping in that's like saying is that what the idea is the audio a lot better yeah it's is it have you ever tried it Jamie I haven't tried it but I know that's they're trying to sell to audio files and that's the idea but no one's listening the music isn't made for it IDE they're they're mastering for digital quality for iTunes so you have to remaster everything it's it's it's kind of weird I mean it seems like a losing game to jump into but although you know guy like him like I mean they they they crowdfunded it yeah that's the weird thing right is that it's crowdfunded but can you play stuff from your can you transfer stuff from your Apple from iTunes to that will it sound better IDE they say yes ideally yeah how much better will it sound though you a lot of time you're listening to it through shitty ass [ __ ] it's supposed to make iTunes stuff sound better I don't believe that quote unquote that's
what they've got some crazy algorithm and that's what is going on inside really yeah but I mean you start getting into art this sounds better versus this sounds better yeah it does but I don't like it do you like it you like it I don't like it okay well let's just move on to tomorrow cuz this is a silly argument yeah that but they're pointing out in this article about it that it doesn't mean jack [ __ ] if you don't have really good headphones behind it you know it's kind of interesting it be well what's interesting is that like see if people react to this and they up the sound quality for phones video video just died but we ran out of time y just a heads up oh all right well that's it ladies and gentlemen this podcast is over the people on iTunes can get another couple of minutes uh thanks to our sponsors thanks to uh me meundies meundies go to meundies.com Rogan and get 20% off your first order uh do that by September 1st so meundies.com Rogan thanks also to audible go to audible.com Joe get one free audio book and 30 free days of audible service thanks also to hit.com that is o n niit t use the code word Rogan and save yourself 10% off any and all supplements Shooter Jennings this was fun man we got to do this more often do it do it again anytime want got a stack of vinyls for you that I forgot to bring bring in the vinyls next time you come whatever man we'll we'll figure something out thank you very much brother I appreciate it thank you so much for having me on the air man see you guys dude that was fun Zoom by didw I want to get I want to do DMT man okay that's all I can think about since we had that conversation was that