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Jo podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day yeah all right we're live Billy Corbin what are you doing you Tweeting you're texting you can't [ __ ] do that while we're onl online I can do that all the time I realized it doesn't matter how much of my life I spend tweeting and and at this point it's been a significant percent and I've got I've got a cool like little following but it for what I dedicate and put into it I don't know that there the ROI is quite there especially when I can just sit back on my ass and my my phone just blows up when they go dude are you listening to Rogan he's talking about Cocaine Cowboys again it's like I don't have to tweet I was let just let Joe take care of it for like seriously the feedback that I get and the love that I get from people you know your your audience your listenership is just off the charts like my my my my Twitter metrics dwarf in comparison to your listeners just hitting me up like TW my my family like are you listening to Rogan are you listening to Rogan I'm like right now I'm working but like no no you got to I'm like don't you work and they're like no I'm listening to Rogan it work make a deal you keep making awesome [ __ ] documentaries I'll keep talking about them they'll keep getting out there dude I like that deal that's a that's a hell of an arrangement as one one day you got to do a live remote from Miami though this town dude I got to tell you just like you like Miami more than you like la Miami more than I like more than I like anything uh honestly that's so weird because cuz you're smart like you're you're really rare for a guy from Miami I've always said that if you want to starve to death open up a bookstore in Miami it's a it's a great way to starve to death it's true well open a bookstore anywhere and you'll starve to death actually now maybe a Kindle a Kindle store but like I well I I get this this town this town which has been incidentally nothing but good to me my whole life um Los Angeles I mean like broken hearts fuel the power grid and tears come out of the faucets like I landed LAX I turn into Raymond [ __ ] Chandler all of a sudden I just like I
get really sad here I don't know what it it's the it's the [ __ ] homeless guy and pretty woman screaming on Hollywood Boulevard like that's this like that's this town to me like it just it's it's sad to me Miami is like I think Tony Montana said it best you know it's just a great big [ __ ] waiting to be [ __ ] a great big [ __ ] Miami is the city of the future and always will be you know there's just like endless opportunity there but it never quite gets to that that level the the famous saying is that like uh La is where you go when you want to be somebody New York is where you go when you are somebody and Miami is where you go when you want to be somebody else so and like that's the thesis of like all of our work in a way that's like the motto of our company of Rak and tour that's that's like it's too long to put on a t-shirt but it's like that's that's the message that's the takeway I think that's not too long to put on a t-shirt that could be worked out yeah small font good spacing like we're designing it right now that could that could be worked out pre-order pre-order right now folks um yeah I mean I obviously like it here in a lot of ways what I don't like here is the the amount of humans there's there's just overwhelming supply of human beings here to the point that I think that anytime you get too many people in one place you devalue those people it's like I think that's the case with everything I mean I think if you're a guy you have a million [ __ ] girlfriends they're all waiting for you in a warehouse you're not going to care if one of them dies you know you're just not you're just not you're barely going to care if you if you have an airplane hanger filled with tens and you just walk in you go you in the back with the yellow hair come this way please you're that's you're it doesn't mean anything if you have one wife that you love dearly it's GNA mean a lot more if something happens to her I think La has too many [ __ ] people and I think the when you get too many people you there's this sort of weird things that that happens where you stop caring about them they don't mean anything to you but is it quantity or is it quality well there's too many the quality is here because there are so many keep think that they're very important cuz we're all we're all to be fair the center of
our own Universe I mean but like everybody like everybody I don't I don't want to say I I realize there's no other way to say this other than how it's going to sound but like the self-worth meter is off the charts for for way too many people it is but it's also a fake meter like people are like holding up a meter of what they're pretending their selfworth is but in reality what they really think about themselves they're incredibly insecure which is why they're here trying to validate themselves in the first place this this is a weird town in that everybody who comes here wants to be someone special and usually they want to be someone special because they weren't special when they were children so they get here you seek out this this ultimate thing which is Fame and now because of people like Kim Kardashian and reality shows you don't even have to do anything you don't have to do anything you don't have to have a special talent that's troubling thing to me you don't have to put in work anymore and like that like manifested itself with this like Kanye Beck thing it's like Beck I mean you can't really ask for more gifted musician or songwriter as far as like Artistry is concerned you could say you could be subjective about it you could say you like him you don't like him but the guy's an artist I mean leg he puts in the work he play he writes everything he plays every every fragen instrument on his on his album so it's like the guy's putting in the work and why devalue somebody who's actually an accomplished right artist and say like well his art isn't worth as much as somebody else's art or Kanye West has a real ego problem he needs psychedelics more than anyone I've ever seen in the public eye I mean he's such a insufferable douchebag and that's because his ego is completely out out of control he wants people to pay attention to him he wants to be loved he wants to be great he wants to be great that's his big thing leave me alone let me be great you know you [ __ ] rhyme [ __ ] dude surrounded but that's it no no offense to to his his handlers but like you're surrounded by awful people those are the people who are supposed to keep you in check and give you some perspective on your place in the universe which is always smaller than you think can't do that they don't that's not their job
their job is to make money and the way they make money is to keep like rubbing his back and pushing him out there in the ring I mean that's it keep keep getting them to make more money Jewish people we have our families to both like blow up our heads and also put us right back in our place I remember I I got into some trouble a couple years ago I was on a a jury I was a jury Foreman in a criminal case in Miami Dade circuit court and uh it was a armed robbery case and I tweeted because that's what I do I didn't tweet about the case but I did my usual [ __ ] of just kind of observations of the courthouse I noticed that it was it was named for this guy Richard gersin who was a state attorney who had uh had rumored ties to Myer Lansky later represented PeeWee Herman in his uh indecent exposure case in Florida you know when he was in the you know jerking off in in the adult theater and um just things about I could see from the the window in the jury pool room I was like how how you know how appropriate that that the view from the Jury Room in the in the criminal courthouse is one of the greatest crimes perpetuated on the people of Miami Dade which was the Marin's Park the publicly financed you know sports welfare boond doggle of of Miami Marlin's uh St Stadium B ball park and so like I I'm ignorant to that we we we'll get back to that but I'm like just tweeting stupid observational [ __ ] and then my usual sort of aggregating article so this comes up on appeal the public defender we convict him of a lesser included offense the public defender says oh the jury Foreman was tweeting like live tweeting the trial which is not what happened I didn't delete anything all my tweets are still there so the Miami Herald like rips me they have this completely talent-free uh writer at the herald she actually slept her way to the middle is what she did she slept with her married editor and got a promotion and it was a whole Scandal really yeah and and and now I call her America and Cuba's worst columnist and she still has a job it's it's unbelievable and she like rips me for being a what was it like tweeting twit that's what she called me a tweeting twit and my my my parrot won't [ __ ] on the heral you know when I line its cage with it so like the Herald's Mast head is like Miami Herold uh
yesterday's news tomorrow corrections to follow that's their stick so like my but my grandpa old school they still read the newspaper you know he likes the ink on his fingers and so he reads this like vicious column about about me about his grandson and his takeaway is this he's like so this is a few years ago so he says he says to me he goes how many Twitter followers do you have and I was like about at the time it was like maybe maybe 10,000 I was like I don't know about 10,000 he goes Justin Bieber has 22 million and that was was it I felt like [ __ ] like he put me right back I I I was reminded of my place in in the universe with one with that just first of all how the hell does my grandfather know I don't even know that he knowsy irant your grandfather sounds like a dick I'm going to be honest with you like [ __ ] Grandpa he's a wonderful man M he's a wonderful wonderful man he is well that's all he had to say yeah Justin he didn't say to me like I'm ashamed of you and what you did and this woman destroying you in the newsp he was Prett he was he was just trying totter a little that's all he's still not on it though that's funny though well yeah I mean that having someone in your life to keep you in check like that is important or having something you know I don't think he has anything to keep him in check which is why he thinks it's funny to go on stage and interrupt people's performances or or acceptance speeches you know but why they even bother voting why don't they just like Kanye pick who wins everything how about this about the emmies are stupid how about the Oscars are stupid they're all stupid award shows for art are dumb they really are because art is incredibly subjective you know this and this idea that you're going to have this one big moment where everybody dresses up like a penguin and you all get together and pretend that this this is our night to shine Tom for's got to make a living too dude all right who Tom Tom he does like the tuxes like Justin Tim like he does tuxes is kind of like his shtick he's a fashion designer but like I I'm not a big we everybody always I often get introduced or like people like write up a bio or blur about me they'll be like award-winning filmmaker I'm like I don't actually think I've won any award Awards
I don't I guess we have along the way like I got a I got a key to the city of Miami and Miami Beach which was incredibly disappointing cuz when you know you're in Miami Beach and somebody gives you a key right you're kind of hoping it's going to be something else if you if you hear what I'm screaming but uh they it was not the kind of key that you hope to get when you go to Miami you mean like a kilo right that's yes it's funnier when you explain it so well it didn't work unless you did I think there's a few listeners that got it maybe two that are CED up right now y Keys m [ __ ] key there's only two listeners there's only two listeners cked up right now I don't think that's true there's more than two but they're the only ones that got that joke but what we were talking about before about what's wrong with this town and this is probably the last time we should get into it because this is like such a a tired subject but the the idea that people who didn't get enough attention when they were young so they developed this hole in their soul they need to fill up with other people's attention they come here and then they they seek validation through auditioning which is one of the most ridiculous processes ever I mean the idea that you're going to be in line with a bunch of other people hoping to get picked and if you do get picked you're like yes yes it's me I'm going to be the one and then you're the one who's going to get out there and then the cameras on you and they put makeup on you they make you pretty and perfect lighting and it's all is this weird thing and if you're lucky you can get through that with some sense of what you're trying to do in the first place which is like trying to create something cool that people enjoy and then some sense of humility where you kind of understand that that's in the greater spectrum of the universe it's really not that significant what it is is it gets a lot of attention because we're confused and media confuses people and the idea of the one the alpha with the light on them and the one who has the microphone and the one who has the voice and that this is somehow or another makes you special but it doesn't it's just entertainment well there there's two things I have to say about the first of which uh is that I'm going
to put it out there I don't talk about it that much but I'm going to put it out there because I think step one in the program is admitting that you have a problem so I was a child actor oh no in this in this town in this town so that's your problem with this town I wish that there was yeah but it was very good to me it was very good to me I was very successful and and before I retired at 15 or what whatever it was but like it uh first of all I wish there was a different term other than child actor which which immediately evokes images of like liquor store robberies drug overdoses and child molestation but like but that's what I was um the second thing I want to I want to say which I probably shouldn't talk about because you mentioned it when you're talking about the casting process and um and how completely toxic that is uh in terms of creating anything of substance and it's not just it's this development process we we we option the rights to develop a dramatic series about Cocaine Cowboys about I think eight years ago now with um brookheimer television Michael Bay and Warner Horizons and we have been developing the show developing development developing you know when you say a word so much or you look at it so often it loses its meaning and you kind of have to look like what does this word mean something development so we're on a call one down never this is already years ago it was years into development and years ago already that's how long we've been developing this and I'm I'm looking we're on a conference call you can't get a word and edgewise really on a conference call so I'm listening to this call and I'm looking at at the at the calendar and it says jbtv development call and I'm staring at the word and it loses its meaning so I'm I kind of you know the voices turn into you know peanuts you know adults and I open a new tab in my browser and I go to dictionary.com I probably should have gone to Urban dictionary.com but I go to dictionary.com and I look up the word development and I realize looking at the definition that the development process in film and television and entertainment is the antithesis of the definition of the word development which infers progress
Evolution and it's the exact opposite of that it it if it doesn't stifle progress it it actually has a reverse effect it's like Devolution it's like undevelopment or ddevelopment I don't I don't know what the term is but it's a total misnomer this this idea of developing cuz like we we want to make a documentary we get an idea or someone comes to us and or we have access to a cool person or a great story and we I got two partners it's me and two guys one guy I've known I've known so long our parents used to bathe us together I mean we were sophomores in high school that was weird but like uh no we were Nursery School we were I know the guy literally since Nursery School our other partner Alfred Spelman I know him from television production middle school so we look at each other and we go does this sound like a cool idea yeah let's do it that's our development in the non-fiction world this whole like scripted thing where like you bring in three writers and you pay them untold amounts of money and they're from Santa Monica with nannies and they're going to write for the Miami drug scene in the late 70s you're like what is going on here how is this progress how are we developing anything here and in terms of our warped values and media manipulating our priorities nothing breaks my heart more than when I tweet something important going on in the world and it gets like two retweets or whatever and then you tweet something about Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber Kanye West or Bruce Jenner God forbid and it just it gets it gets 1,200 retweets or some crazy Florida Man story that gets 10,000 retweets and and it breaks my heart because I'm just like I'm like I'm contributing to the distraction here is what I feel like and and but I but it really frustrates me it's like but something about you know uh uh uh the lack of accountability in politics or the public sector or you know the the the the dramatic increase in Poli in police brutality and the prison population as the the crime rate drops precipitously all these things that we should kind of be concerned about as a people and I just realized I was like maybe I I need to take my own advice and like the the fact that we're all so insignificant and so small and this time is so fleeting why not just
have a good time while we're here we're not actually going to change anything for the better it's like that saying what's it saying it's like uh I want to have less corruption or more participation in it or something like it's like that's how as I get older I feel like well where where where am I getting here why I you know I I'm not actually going to effectuate any positive change maybe a little maybe a little bit of awareness in my corner of the Twitter verse but what what which don't I just need to do something for myself or my family or and I can't do that there's like something in there's a moral compass that just won't let me kind of like compromise my values and in a weird way I hate that about myself just relax man seriously do you smoke weed no you should probably smoke weed it would help you a lot that's that's the diagnosis well you guys have medical marijuana here for for [ __ ] sake for [ __ ] sake dude I fought my ass off for Amendment two in Florida we got nearly 58% of the vote and it failed rck Scott 62 Rick Scott the least popular governor in like the history of anything anywhere okay gets 47% of the vote in four more years to destroy the State of Florida like but we have too many old people too many old people Dem yeah they their idea of what marijuana is is just completely [ __ ] by Propaganda but now our elected officials fortunately are kind of realizing that like wait a second if you look at the the the the the District results for Amendment two they're going well [ __ ] my constituents want this so now you do have some local politicians who are trying to in state politicians who are trying to introduce bills now that will uh that will bring medical marijuana to the state of Florida because what they're trying to do is beat 2016 where met not only is it a you know is it a presidential election so turnout turnout in Florida could be as much as I don't know 12% why don't people vote why don't people vote well they feel discouraged they they don't think it works you look at the system itself you look at special interest groups and lobbyists and the amount of money that corporations donate towards campaigns but they do that to mobilize not just to impact how people are going to vote but just to get people going out to vote if you one thing's for sure if
you don't votee your vote's not going to be counted I can guarantee I can guarantee that right so the special interest money really goes towards mobilizing people who are already in a way like-minded like you said like the elderly population and which is really what helped kill I think recreational marijuana here or the expansion of marijuana laws in California it was it was you weren't quite there yet people weren't I think getting out the not getting out the vote per se but but they weren't convincing the elderly population who by the way probably need marijuana even more than I do um just in terms of their you know their met their maladies uh it probably would do more for them and certainly in Florida do more for them but some of them are still on that you know that hippie drug thing yeah that's what they think it is yeah yeah which is which doesn't make any sense not to mention what could any Governor or any politician or anybody in this country do in the single stroke of a pen that would create the kind of economy that that brings how do you create jobs with you know that many jobs and that kind of Revenue in one that marijuana that a marijuana there's nothing else I could possibly think of that you could do where you could say like overnight we could just create an epic industry that not only hurts no one but helps millions of people and more importantly decriminalizes a class of people in this country that we have needlessly spent Untold millions of dollars to deprive them of life liberty and and and property and you're right I need to smoke [ __ ] the amount of money that they're making in Colorado is so staggering they have to give it back to the taxpayers have you read that yeah the refunds yeah they're giving the refund they're giving people money back we have too much money for Education now they they are literally making unold millions of dollars in tax revenue that would be unavailable otherwise and most likely the same amount of people are smoking weed which just lets you know that this is just really an inefficient use of of public resources it's inefficient use of a commodity which is a natural commodity that's a part of life I mean marijuana is a goddamn plant that's been used for thousands of years
in Florida we had a a pill Mill crisis of the likes that we have I mean that that did that documentary um the the oxycotton Express oh yeah great amazing amazing I think it was up to seven people a day were dying in the State of Florida these are women and children enough it's not enough you should kill more you guys should have opened up more pill plants too many people in Florida too many people maybe in the north I'd prefer the you know they say in Florida the further north you go the further south you are because you forget that like Florida I mean this was like Jim Crow South you know Florida south Florida is like a like a tropical country yeah well it's like the the only way I can like compare it to people who who might get some persp it's like Atlanta in Georgia yes you know kind of South Florida is like because we're still very much a red we're like a red state with a blue for skin that everybody wishes they could just circumcise like right off the state and in fact the city of South Miami it's interesting thing about Miami D nobody even knows this Miami Dade County which has about I think 2.6 million people now we're made up of like 34 different municipalities so there's a total of like 35 different mayors in just Miami Dade County really yeah and the City of Miami is just one small City among the 34 in Miami Dade County and in fact Dade County get this it used to be called Dade County or Metro Dade County in 97 we rebranded we voted to change the name of of the town like where else other than like bomb and Mumbai like you think of a place that like changes the name we rebranded it to Miami Dade County to borrow essentially the most famous brand that we have which is the most famous city in in the area and so one of these cities these 34 municipalities we have 34 34 municipalities and I think to be fair only there's still 30 of them who haven't had their mayor arrested yet in the last two years so that's a that's a pretty good ratio but the city of South Miami actually they had like a resolution to uh seced not secede from the union but split Florida down the middle into two separate states a North Florida or Norther and and a South South Florida is great great idea for real it's a great it'll never happen because South Florida's revenue is what finances
Tallahassee which is the state capital which is in in the Panhandle in Northern Florida so that'll never happen because they they they live off the fat of our land and our tourism uh trade so that'll never happen but it's a great idea when you look at the politics when you look at you know the demographics and and and and how sort of the way that people the thought process we are very much two different two different states so South Florida is more democratic it's more liberal that's the blue tip but there's a lot of Cubans that are very Republican right a lot of conservative they were that ever since Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs they they they took a hard a hard right they would I mean there there are Cubans who have not voted Democrats since Kennedy but you're seeing now a new generation third and fourth generation Cubans who are now being actually born in Miami uh you see this trend changing Miami used to go to Miami and and you say really anywhere in Florida say where are you from and even if people were there for 60 years they'd go Cuba Chicago Philadelphia New York you know no one was from Miami that's changing now you see a little bit of this 305 till I die this kind of like you know this Spirit of like the spirit of like ownership of belonging which I keep hoping is going to manifest itself in people driving better and using their turn and being nicer to each other I keep trying to say it's not my ammy or your ammy it's our ammy this is a collective experience here people let's we're in this together let's just be nicer nicer to each other but like you're a Miami Fanboy I am I'm I'm I'm a homeboy and I get homesick when I travel too like I'm like I I miss it especially when I go la is different because it's not homogenized but when I travel around to places where like I'm like I'm nervous there's too many white people here like I need some oros poo I need some Cafe kle like I get nervous when when there's you know when there's like a homogenized population I don't like that mix it up I don't know Miami cuz Miami like you just I mean you can drive a stretch of blocks in Miami Beach and you go from the Argentinian neighborhood to the Venezuelan neighborhood to the Brazilian neighborhood I should say this there's a common misconception that Miami is a
Melting Pot we are not a Melting Pot we are more akin to like uh a TV dinner where sometimes the peas fall over into the mashed potatoes cuz we self-segregate we do that anywhere we go as people you know we find like-minded or or CH yeah similar looking people and we sck to our own so in Miami you know you have the Jewish neighborhood you have a uh you know Haitian neighborhood you have an African-American neighborhood you have a Cuban neighborhood a Cuban neighborhood a Cuban neighborhood a Cuban neighborhood you have um then like I was saying in Miami Beach even you have Venezuela Brazil Brazilian neighborhood they don't you know even the South Americans which the thing they hate the most is like being called Latin or Hispanic they're very prideful and nationalistic people they want to be associated with their Nation they're actual you can't get into an argument with anybody in Miami until you see what flag is hanging from the rearview mirror because God forbid dude you should call an Argentinian a Venezuelan a Venezuelan a Cuban a Cuban a Brazilian they get Fury or any of them a Mexican they all hate Mexicans for like for some reason and yeah and why why do they hate Mex I don't know but they and all of them if you ask any of them they'll tell you oh my great bro like like for truth bro like seriously like my great great-grandfather is from Spain they all claim they're European none of them are Caribbean they're all European it's it's kind of fun and and I like that that kind of incendiary mix of people you know and like 1980 was like which is kind of the inspiration from cooking Cowboys was like that year where like all of the chemicals just mixed together and [ __ ] just exploded and that's you you there's that tension in Miami constantly that that I think is just it just makes it an exciting exciting Place particularly When anybody outside of Miami they think there's only like one hotel The Colony on Ocean Drive cuz wherever you are in Miami all you know is that like 15 blocks of Ocean Drive you know and and even when you watch Miami Dolphins games or like the orange bll game which is at Joe Robbie Stadium right now sunlife stadium in Miami Gardens one of the most dangerous municipalities in Miami one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the world is
Miami Gardens that's where the stadium is located they'll Crossfade from the game to the blimp aerial of the stadium and then they'll Crossfade to Ocean Drive as if that's right outside it's 18 miles away from the stadium and but that's what people associate with Miami most of Miami is third world in I mean Miami Dade County has one I think only the second greatest disparity in income gap in the of any major County in the country we are you know what uh uh TD Alman had a book uh called um city of the future about Miami you know they say that the like the Florida of today is the America of tomorrow and if you want to know what [ __ ] is going to go down in America what calamities are going to befall this country in like the next 20 years or so you look at what's going on in Miami or Florida that is the barometer of whether it's the drug trade immigration what we're dealing with with with now with the you know the the Browning of America if you will the hispanicized of America and the push back we've been through all of that [ __ ] Medicare fraud uh you name it we have experienced it already in in Miami or or or in the greater Florida area and and we know what's coming basically you sure oh yeah oh yeah we got everything but earthquakes and mudslides how did you get involved with this documentary Cocaine Cowboys what was the what was the inspiration to make this just knowing the history of how crazy Miami was and what what led to this you know just massive surge of drugs into that part of the country what was our childhood in a weird way I mean we grew up in in Miami I was born in a place called Fort Meers Florida on the uh on the west coast so she lived out here only for a couple years you know for for for like five pilot Seasons or whatever the hell you do um did your parents bring you out here my I asked my I asked them to whoa yeah I asked them to wow so it wasn't even that you had stage parents it was all you oh dude every year my parents would say to me enough whenever you're done yeah they would say whenever you're done that's just like that that's dead ringer for for oddly for my dad uh he's transitioning now that was weird that's you like transitioning you you could say that a few years ago no no what the [ __ ] you're talking about but you say he's
transitioning now it's like is there this like overwhelming influx of trans gender people in our culture is that what's going on or or we're just more aware of it I guess war and it's kind of okay I mean like gay people got married in Alabama this week like it's a new world man like it's it's Internet it's it's kind of it's It's kind of fantastic like I'm like when when I I was traveling we were on set of this pilot uh in in in Puerto Rico and while I was on the plane um there was no internet on on on this flight because we're coming from Puerto Rico for whatever reason and so as soon as I landed uh Obama had announced the new Cuba policy and I landed in Miami while this was going on in the air and um no one really knew exactly how Miami was going to react the truth is a lot of the Hardline older conservative Cubans have died off the demographic is changing there there are Cuban kids Growing Up Now who don't want to never get to see Cuba before they die like a lot of their grandparents never got to and great-grandparents never got to go back so the sentiment was very different from what like from Circa ellien Gonzalez that was like the last gasp of you know ex right-wing Exile uh uh uh politics was really The Ellen Gonzalez Fiasco and so this this was a little bit calmer but like I landed I was like I just landed in a whole new world like it was an incredible and and whether you agree with policies or not it's kind of cool to see when you're hyper aware that like history is happening in your lifetime and before your eyes and that's what Miami was like in the 1980s and growing up we were even aware of it what I was most aware of it as a kid was the money we worked we were we lived in this like workingclass Jewish neighborhood in North Miami Beach and everybody was doing good they weren't in the drug business per se but this is the best is the most successful case study in history for Ronald Reagan's trickle down economics Theory because there was so much cash in Miami and it trickled down to everyone whatever business you were in you were making more cash you because of the drug trade because of the drug trade there was so much cash tourism by 1980 tourism was our and real estate they were like our top businesses tourism was bringing in about 5.2 billion dollar a year in
Miami drugs they were estimating was generating s billion dollar a year so it was an even bigger business than tourism in in in the early 1980s so you just had it was just everywhere like in our neighborhood people added like made additions to their houses they had like a Porsche or a nicer car and these are people who were Jewelers or in the grocery business or car dealers or just working people but suddenly everybody was a little was a little flush and they weren't upgrading in a major way they were just getting themselves some toys that they could get with the fruits of of of this new found uh uh uh this the fruits of their labor and this new found uh uh Revenue generation yeah and was just and you've heard the stats about you know from the movie about you know the the uh the branch of the Federal Reserve in in Miami had a cash surplus of more money than all the branches combined in the country there was just more cash and I mean nobody had any place to put it what you saw in Scarface when Banks were charging a vig to deposit cash that was true they had no place to put cash there was just too much cash and it's true that if you took a $20 bill or denomination of 20 or above cash in Miami and tested it there were traces of cocaine on almost every single Bill uh in Miami it was so it was literally drug money that's amazing it's an amazing time and your documentary really captures it so brilliantly it just you the when when you highlighted that that one graduating class of the police academy that every single guy either went to jail or was Mur murdered every single one I mean that that's an amazing moment in human history where you just get to see essentially it's a version of what's going on in Mexico right now oh absolutely and and and it's actually a version interestingly of what's going on in the United States in terms of hiring practices and better screening people in law enforcement and people in the public sector in general cuz what happened there is that you didn't have good people who became cops and then the power went to their head and they became corrupt or anything like that you had you had gangsters straight up Thugs who decided Well where better to ply my trade than be hiding behind a badge that's what happened so these weren't
like this was these were these were bad guys who who it became we had a um what happened was there was a federal judge there was a consent decree uh a federal judge it was a civil rights action a federal judge looked at the demographics the changing demographics of Miami and said there's basically 100% of the Miami Police Department was white and they said you need a police force that better represents the community that they're policing and so it was a federal judge who just waved you know waved his his his Magic Pen and said hire more black officers hire far far more Hispanic officers so you have a a police force that that reflects the community they're and what happened I hate to say it but it's true they kept reducing the standards for hiring and that's what happened is that they wound up with guys who were like wait I'm on the streets I'm a straight up Gangster but the Miami police are hiring like that's what happened so re really the system worked in a way in that they weeded out you know the the worst of them and that's I I think it's a little bit opposite I think by and large you have a lot of good cops now but the problem is is that they're not screening they're not sufficiently screen in the hiring process to say still oh I think so all over the country I think you've got guys who are sort of naturally aggressive you have a steroid epidemic in in the police departments that are that the unions have have completely precluded uh municipalities from being able to test officers um I think you have again an epidemic that that affects a certain minority or percentage of of officers in departments but it's still an issue that you don't want guys like that with you know with the ability to to deprive people of life liberty and property yeah the steroid thing is absolutely legit I got pulled over by a dude who looked like Ronnie Coleman who by the way was a police officer Ronnie Coleman who was Mr Olympia was a police officer I he might still be I don't know if he still is but yeah I mean he was a longtime police officer but this guy that pulled me over was it was ridiculous and uh we we had a nice little chat you know he's a nice guy a fan yeah he was a good guy but I mean this dude was ju he was I mean 59 9 270 somewhere around then which doesn't
happen in nature unless you're a [ __ ] gorilla you know it just doesn't happen like I don't you you would have to to get that big naturally You' have to you couldn't have a job you'd have to be eating 30,000 calories a day and at the gym and you would have to be lifting weights literally all day I mean and you could probably maintain that amount of mass for a couple years and then everything would break I mean it's just it doesn't happen in nature and I looked at this dude I'm like you are going to [ __ ] you're going to enforce laws hello Glass House what kind of rock gorill well you you better not bust people for drugs [ __ ] cuz you're on a ton of them you know I mean that steroids you know call them drugs or hormones or whatever you want to call them I mean the the idea and I've talked to guys in martial arts that say uh you know I have to be prepared cuz the people that I'm running into out on the street you know I'm running into like really bad guys and I I want to be in hand like okay what is I'm not that familiar with it but like the research I understand it [ __ ] with your mind like your temper your anger your obvious definitely well I mean there's levels of course like everything else like you could smoke a little pot and be fine and carry on a conversation or you can get so stoned you you don't remember who you are I mean you could really get [ __ ] up you can get so stoned you look at a phone you're like what is this you know you you get pretty [ __ ] up right but or you could take a little puff and just kick back watch don't talk about Coco like that Coco knows what what this he can tolerate more than any living human being Joey Diaz can eat he eats it mostly you know he'll have those pot edibles but he'll he'll go so deep that you can't even believe he's still alive he just goes deep but my point being is that I I assume that some of these guys you could take a small amount of steroids and probably it would help you recover and you but the problem with those guys is they can never get off of it like Joey Diaz has a friend that's been on steroids since 1987 A-Rod oh no I'm sorry we talking different guy it's a different guy he's a his friend from Jersey that's a bodybuilder that has
never gotten off steroids he has literally been on steroids since 1987 and he's Joey's age you know he's like 51 he's fine he's healthy he's [ __ ] big as a house he never stopped lifting he never stopped doing ster but I mean yeah but he's a maniac I think you could probably take a little bit and it would probably help you recover and you'd be all right but most definitely if you take a lot like this cop that pulled me over he had to be on all kinds of [ __ ] that's going to [ __ ] with your temper I mean you essentially become a different thing we we were kind of discussing this yesterday because there's an epidemic of steroids in the UFC I mean a true epidemic and not just the UFC but MMA in general there's been some highlevel guys that have tested positive in other organizations and uh even guys that swore they never took anything and would mock other people who took performance-enhancing drugs and they got popped um so there's there's a real issue that we're all as a the Mixed Martial Arts Community sorted coming to grips with now but as a police officer I think being calm and having a sense of of peacefulness of being able to diffuse situations like that was my thing about the Trayvon Martin thing um you know when everybody was talking about George Zimmerman and the people that were supporting Zimmerman they were like you know hey George Zimmerman got attacked and George Zim I'm like okay here's the problem with that George Zimmerman was a [ __ ] [ __ ] first of all first and foremost he wanted to be a cop they wouldn't let him be a cop which is [ __ ] bad which means you got to be a real [ __ ] you know because I've met some morons that are cops you know most cops I meet are great folks but we all know a few idiots that became cops this guy was too [ __ ] stupid to be one of those idiots you know they were like you're too dumb you can't be a cop so they give him this job as this community Patrol guy right and second of all he let this kid this young kid was kicking his [ __ ] ass the young kid got on top of him beating his head off the curb like okay well how did that happen do you not know how to fight at all if you don't know how to fight at all how the [ __ ] are you a cop here's the rub that no matter which version of the events you choose to believe Trayvon stood his
ground first is actually what happened so this stand your ground situation becomes like who wins it becomes it becomes a stown of this face off it's it's a shootout you know and and it's like who wins cuz what happened was he was he was being followed by some creepy dude with a gun mhm he was a kid coming back from 7-Eleven with Arizona I Skittles walking back to his dad's house crey but the creepy guy with a gun was a security guard no he was a neighborhood watch like no hell no a voluntary had he had a poncho on or whatever he had it was raining and that's why Trayvon had a hoodie on it was raining so he doesn't have anything that identifies him asur officer he was on the phone with 911 and they're telling him stay in your car sir stay in your car oh that's hilarious yeah and he gets out of the car and he's he's Stu and this kid was on the phone with the trayon was on the phone with this girl and he's like there's some dude following me he's in his car he's getting out of his car he's like and she was worried for him she's like as it turns out he was a creepy dude with a gun who was stalking this kid who was walking back to his dad's house with an ice tea and and Skittles I actually wasn't aware that he didn't have an outfit which is more ridiculous he's like a volunteer neighborhood Watchman guy nobody elected him or assigned him he took it upon himself because there was some robberies in the neighborhood and he went and stalked and he got jumped because this kid was scared so there's no organization whatsoever well there's probably a community organization but I don't know that there's any formal I don't think there was he wasn't a member of any formal organization that I'm aware of and I I was tweeting about this and this was to me was just objective these were just objective facts to me and what came into play was one of the most disturbing things I mean okay I'm all right I'm gonna tell this story it's going to P off a lot of people down so we have a a fan page we did this documentary for ESPN called the U um about the University of Miami football program we just did a sequel uh late last year and so we had this fan page that we put on Facebook which has about 185,000 or so fans and it's one of
the most like kind of largest and most inter active Pages for Hurricanes football fans so every once in a while I kind of troll the page you do I troll my own page basic why do you do that as like a sociological experiment I don't know like we just like we'll just put like like Warren Sap got got busted you know prostit yeah uh couldn't have happened to a nicer guy it's the stupidest [ __ ] law ever stupidest stupidest law and to me it it's just an example of sort of these Arcane patriarchal like women are women can't decide what to do with their bodies we decide what they can do with their bodies and and what contractual Arrangements consenting adults can enter can enter into but porn's legal which it should be but then so if if there's a camera in the room yeah that changes the entire Dynamic of there was a girl that was hanging around The Comedy Store way back in the day that actually said that to one of my friends she was a a porn star and she said you know he he somehow another got into this conversation and she said you can [ __ ] me as long as you have a camera in room private shoot we do a private shoot and he was like what he like hold on he was like trying to figure it out line for every time a woman told me that she had a fee you know she goes you pay my fee you put a camera in the room you can [ __ ] me and he's like so is that prostitution she goes not legally and like okay and then we thought about it like yeah I guess that isn't prostitution dude the resources the resources that police departments spend these stings on prostition to create crime that otherwise wouldn't Exist by they make cops dress up like yeah which way which first of all is dangerous for them all right and second of all they're just creating crime that doesn't that wouldn't otherwise exist unless this cop tress is a hooker standing on the they've actually passed laws in certain states that make it legal for cops to have sex with prostitutes as part of the sting as part of the sting which that seems that seems fair hilarious that seems that seems right God damn hilarious why anybody why would anybody think that there's you know that there's two legal systems here in this want to make sure that none of these [ __ ] are out there sucking dicks
so I'm going to go get my dick sucked just to ensure she knows I'm Legit yeah I I'm I'm pretty sure by the way uh a contract is offer acceptance and consideration I don't know that you actually have to deliver on it in order to say the contract you know this is an illegal contract that you've entered into you're under arrest I can't imagine that that's necessary to go into court and like it's like no no you're honor she's really a hooker I paid her and we had sex like is that really is that really necessary and how is that legal well my friend got busted in a sting operation in New York and he was flirting with these girls and uh one of them said uh something like you want a party or something like that and uh he's like party like what does that mean like what do you you want you mean like sex and she goes yeah and he goes um is it going to cost me anything she goes how much do you want to pay me he goes $10,000 like he's just joking around and they give the take down order they [ __ ] arrested him like that I mean he was a drunk guy coming out of a bar flirting with some girls that he didn't know were cops and they were manipulating the language in order to get him to say that like he was just being a silly goose he was just being a silly guy trying to make he's a comic so he's just trying to make these girls laugh like $10,000 like saying $10,000 who the [ __ ] is going to pay a street walker $10,000 who who even comes up with that on their first offer I mean for $10,000 you can [ __ ] porn star for 10,000 yeah I mean it's if it had been a counter offer it would have been more reasonable for $10,000 if he said you know 500 and she said a million and he's like consider when you consider these two these two women officers you consider their backup you consider the surveillance you consider then when you have to process a John he was in jail for 24 hours you have to Pro and the the the the Manpower involved in processing yeah okay what other crime was going on that night like victim victim full not victimless but victim full victim full crime was occurring oh my god oh I totally I I I totally dodged the uh the trolling my own page bullet um should I tell that story please do we'll keep going with
this this okay I've never told this story uh uh to anyone publicly page is this that you're okay it's facebook.com/ thee movie okay so every once in a while when I say troll the page I mean we're kind of like the New York Post of the U of like um football fan pages we're like the Tabloid you know we don't just post the press releases that come out of the athletic department we'll post whatever that's kind of like peripherally uh involved in Miami football or pop culture surrounding Miami football you know Snoop throws up the you in a music video [ __ ] like that you know so on the day of the Zimmerman verdict there was a picture that had been on the internet for some time from like Trayvon Martin's 11th birthday or something like that where his parents or wh whomever got him a birthday cake with the U logo he was apparently a hurricanes fan uh you know he's a South Florida kid and so it was him smiling 11-year-old kid and his uner you know um happy birthday cake great so I was just like you know what I'm goingon to do I'm not going to say a word I'm going to post this picture to the Facebook page and I can't tell you how like all social media Hell broke loose in that community and I would venture to say that you could write papers on the state of America's race relations based solely on the comments from that from that image it was one of the most disturbing just exchanges about America and race and crime that I have just ever seen in my life it was so disturbing and I just left it there and let them you know it was kind of like a warar shark and people were writing like private messages like I'm I'm unfriending or unliking this page um why don't you post a picture of first of all that's not what he looked like when you know when he was killed and they post like one of those fake pictures of like some rapper that like people claimed was Trayvon and like like things that were debunked you know via Scopes and otherwise like you know months or years earlier and just like the craziness that ensued and the mo and I'm like Hey listen you a picture of uh George Zimmerman in a u sweater or whatever I'll post that too I mean like what do you want this is it was just because I posted pictures of Barack Obama throwing up the U and then Mitt Romney was campaigning and he threw up
the U didn't you like how do you throw up the U do you go like this yeah you just put well it's more like yeah it's like this yeah usually I sort of put a break in it because there's like a between but like yeah but like yeah that's that's how you that's how you you the U but um essentially but let me get to the point here essentially it was white people who were being racist against Trayvon Martin and were upset that you were posting this image of him with this UK cake no one was objectively looking at the facts of the situation they saw a black kid in a hoodie and right away it was Thug who got what was coming to him and it didn't matter that he was a human being it didn't matter that he was he had smoked pot before it's like he was a teenage kid I'm outraged at that he was a teenage kid illegal in Florida the kid never got into trouble for anything before in his life he he got he got he got in a little bit of trouble in school which teenage kids do he's from broken home and his mom sent him to spend she said my my son needs to spend time with his father I'm going to send him up to SP this was these were good people this was a good family none of it mattered it just mattered that he was black and I and and there was people who just literally I'm not suggesting that was everybody but there were people who just could not get beyond that which was just it led me to like this whole this whole you know I don't know if you remember the the closing uh the closing argument in A Time to Kill Matthew MCC it's do you really think I watch that [ __ ] no I I seriously doubt that but it's like it's it's this whole monologue where he gives you this fact pattern mhm about this this young girl being kidnapped and raped and abused and beaten within an inch of her life and then he says now imagine she's white meaning like just take the same set of facts and put your kid there you know the only reason Zimmerman was following him in the first place or suspicious swi the racist or switch the racist Zimmerman be a black guy with a a cop complex you know well my point was initially when we started talking about this is that he's so socially unskilled that another guy who maybe was a good cop or another guy who was good with people would have seen this young kid walking and said how you
doing brother everything good tonight and like yeah man what's up you know what are you doing just getting some Skittles all right well take care man it's dirty [ __ ] har yeah get go get dry all right you too man and then we're good you know I mean how many how many of those exchanges between two human beings could vary radically depending on the social skills of the person that's quote unquote in a position of power and that's an issue with what we were talking about earlier with steroids distorting people's aggression distorting people's perception of of of danger or of their their power over a situation or what's what's just and what's ethical law enforcement officers are allegedly trained to deescalate they should too often most too often we're seeing these stories thanks to the internet of situations where calling the police turns an otherwise benign situation potentially deadly and that's a frightening thought because even if these are isolated incidents the proliferation of them and our exposure to them now thanks to the internet is creating environment where kids are actually feeling like I maybe I shouldn't call the police maybe that's not what I should do and you shouldn't ever feel that way you know you shouldn't have that feeling but I I I started to lose a lot of like when I say friends I mean you know social media friend friends and quotes uh friends and followers on Twitter and I finally just like after the verdict I was like listen it's all good if you unfollow me for my Trayvon Zimmerman tweets if Zimmerman had unfollowed Trayvon we wouldn't even be [ __ ] talking about this damn he dropped the bomb on him yeah look he was a dummy he's a dummy who can't fight who wanted to be a tough guy Florida this [ __ ] kid getting on top of him and beating his [ __ ] ass and then he shoots him you know I just wish someone had taught Trayvon a little better and he could have put that [ __ ] to sleep before he ever got the gun out you know you you just can't have a person that's so socially unskilled which is obviously been proven now like how many records yeah subsequent Jesus [ __ ] Christ he pulled a a a gun out on someone in some sort of a car situation he threw a wine bottle at his Maniac
apparently he's a he's a [ __ ] he's a [ __ ] of a human being and he's going to kill somebody someday Joe well he's probably in jail for a long time now right no no isn't he no no he got picked up on that domestic uh abuse uh rap with his ex girlriend yeah he threw a wine bottle at her she won't cooperate anymore she's not pressing he's out yeah I'm pretty sure he's out now well you know what I'm not a big fan of vigilante justice unless it's a guy like that and then I'm like you know that's a dangerous said that by the way that wasn't just not a fan of vigilante justice but when [ __ ] get free is not an endorsement people have to fire up torches and [ __ ] find where that [ __ ] sleeping it's just he's a bad person he's a bad person that's already done bad things and you know I mean and it's probably going to continue to do not good maybe I mean and also he's he's become a hero of the Ted nent crowd you know the the people that are standing up for the Second Amendment and he's you know what he did was he shot an un you know unlawful Thug or that that's [ __ ] [ __ ] man and I'm a person who supports the right to bear arms you have to remember the kid did not commit any crimes even jump he was standing his ground this guy was stalking him with a Gun there's no set of facts even the wave Zimmerman tells it there's no set of facts that that that or set of a version of the story that changes those facts he was stalking a kid who was armed with an Arizona IC te and Skittles walking back to his dad's house mhm and he killed him you know he might have been on pot so on the pot he was on the pot I think the Michael Brown situation is far more confusing because I wish I knew what really happened I wish I knew everybody putting their arms up in the air and doing this hands up don't shoot [ __ ] I really wish that was proven that that actually did happen maybe perhaps a video the the way more disturbing story to me was the 12-year-old who was shot with a toy gun the cops just pull up yeah the cops just pull up within 2 seconds unload on him all on video all on video no confus there's another situation where the lack of empathy to me in in the Twitter verse is just like staggering cuz it's like what was this kid doing with a toy gun I'm like I grew up at the park playing
with cops and robbers and War and what do you I mean what what are you talking about kids have a of course he was in the park you you can't even address that those are fools and they're they're looking for some reason where this kid was culpable you know but they didn't even engage the kid they they they they drove up right on top jped out of the car and open see what's more disturbing to me is is the fact that that you have a trend where you have a version of events perpetuated by the police which is usually always the first story you ever read is a press release or the statement from the police so it's never innocent until proven guilty it's like we're charging this guy or we arrested this guy had friends that were arrested for resisting arrest that didn't do a goddamn thing you know what they call that that's called contemp of cop because there's never a basis to arrest them in the first place so if you're being arrested for resisting arrest what was the what was the original charge that you were being arrested for how can you just the vast majority of those cases are dismissed and guess what uh uh Bratton the police commissioner NYPD wants to escalate has gone to the legislature to uh to elevate contempt uh I was saying contempt of cop that's what they call that contempt of cop he wants to uh uh escalate or Elevate the charge of resisting arrest from a misdemeanor to a felony now again most of those charges will wind up being dropped as they usually do because they're completely bogus it's contemp of cop it's a situation where it's like he didn't listen to me right which is again the what we were talking about before the version the difference between deescalation you can beat the rap you can't beat the ride your boy was in jail for 24 fraking hours might have had to hire an attorney might have had some people get their car impounded depending on what T in the prostitution sting uh stings those are major Revenue generators major Revenue generators from the criminal justice system all the way from law enforcement to tow yards to uh asset forfeiture to asset forfeiture which is amazing what people don't even know about they take your car you could have a very nice car say you have a $50,000 car that's the states now they steal your [ __ ] car it's the police
departments it's a local they get the they take the and they get to keep it it's not like they they turn it over to anybody if they want something they could literally go out and take it you don't even have to be convicted of a crime just charged or accused and you might never see they can take cash from you yes well why why do you have that cash sir were you doing something illegal with that cash I think you might have been so we're going to lock that cash Inn and then we're going to use that cash to have [ __ ] parties you know I mean they they use those those the funds that they steal they to buy iPads and buy cars and and and boats and the da ran a similar scam in Los Angeles for a long time with arresting people that were running medical marijuana dispensaries they were there's video of this where these [ __ ] kids are college kids they're they're young kids they're not doing anything wrong they're working in a place where the state law says it's IL legal business they break in guns strapped bulletproof vest ATF [ __ ] outfits they put guns to people's head held this kid on the ground stepped on his [ __ ] neck I mean there's videos of all this zip tie them the whole deal then they take all their cash they take yes they take all their cash all of it take all their marijuana all of it and they say we are going to process your case and then they do nothing they do nothing they never prosecute that's what we call arm robbery well that's what we used to call they take that money and then because these guys don't want to go after that money try to get it back because then the DEA comes at them even harder they lose that money P to fight to get that money back probably as much in legal fees as was stolen in the first place so can out yeah and it's not like you could sue the DEA to get your legal fees paid they're not going to pay it it's the same problem with the and and they also don't care even if they have to pay legal fees individual officers never it's not their money it's all our money anyway that gets paid when there are wrongful death suits or there's brutality suits they don't care they're never punished the unions completely insulate and and protect them and it's not their money worst case scenario they get to retire early with a full pension
yeah it has to be an unbelievably offensive violation of the law for the cops to be prose prosecuted I mean it has to be like really outrageous where the the State steps in and says we got to do something here or we're going to face a riot you know like the riots they have in Ferguson like the riots they're having all all throughout the country about Eric Gardner you know I mean I don't think anybody I I really believe this and this is from a lifelong of experience with police officers I don't think anybody's qualified for that job for a long period of time I think being a cop is something that you can only do for a very short amount of time just like being a soldier you know that one soldier that went [ __ ] crazy and Iraq and wound up gunning down all those innocent people and you know they pull this guy aside like well this guy had been flagged for PTSD many times and he he was saying himself like I got to get out of here and they sent him back over there again and he just went [ __ ] crazy I think that the mind can only withstand so much stress and being a cop is a [ __ ] insanely stressful job and they see horrible things is I don't I'm not a big fan of these blanket statements like you know I have friends are like [ __ ] the Police stop some [ __ ] go down you're going want to call the [ __ ] police it's not [ __ ] the police just like when a rob somebody it's not [ __ ] black people you know it's not man it's these are rash generalizations and they're based on this premise that anybody could actually do that job correctly but here Ines the problem here in lies the problem the public sector as far as I'm concerned should be held to a higher standard of accountability not a lower or no accountability if you are going to have the power and the authority to deprive people of life liberty and property you need to be held to a higher standard and the lack of accountability that police officers see happen all over the country feeds this Con this this mental idea that you might you might very well be right that might be a mental deficiency might be a a form of PTSD that you might actually believe that you're above the law that they don't the laws don't apply to you because as you said only in the most extreme and extraordinary cases are police officers ever ever prosecuted and
I don't think there needs to be a or there should be uh a uh you know any kind of referendum or any kind of like u a uh uh I don't know like an idea that there's a certain number of police officers that need to be of course not when someone commits a crime I don't care if they're black white or blue okay you know you need there no doesn't need to be a quota there just needs to be Justice equally applied and that's the pro you know in Miami in the 1980s people I mean you think if I was here for the Rodney King uh riots uh in Los Angeles um and so when I think of race riots you know you think of Detroit Watts or or Rodney King or but Miami was the race riot capital of America in the 1980s we had no less than three incidents all involving police officers you mostly white and Hispanic police officers shooting and killing uh or in the case of the first one beating to death uh a black unarmed black men and they all resulted in horrific uh uh race riots some neighborhoods in Miami have never fully recovered from the 1980 riots you still see empty undeveloped entire city blocks that that were burned down uh during those 1980 riots that people have not come back and reinvested in those uh in those African-American communities and we had that 1980 83 uh in ' 89 when the when the eyes of the world were on Miami for the Super Bowl supposed to be oh we get all this good publicity we're having this this worldclass event the city was burning because of uh an officer who had who had uh he had first been convicted if I'm not mistaken and then uh it was overturned on appeal and he went free and uh we rioted what did you think about what happened in New York where those cops got killed and then they sent out this order I don't know what how it was how it was dictated but the the idea was they weren't going to arrest anybody Stand Down order yeah for anything that wasn't necessary but then but my take on it was that should be how cops always are fantastic you should always only arrest people for something that's absolutely necessary serious of course so what the [ __ ] is this like you for a short period of time went back to actually being someone who withholds the piece or or enforces the piece or keeps the piece and then from there they went
back to being Revenue collectors because that's what the [ __ ] is really going on when that kid Eric G that gentleman which kid he's older that guy got dragged to the ground and choked didn't have any loose cigarettes on them wasn't selling anything and people like oh that guy had 30 different prior arrests and uh oh he resisted arrest like that's not resisting arrest when you take a [ __ ] innocent person and you violate their rights and you grab them around the neck and throw them to the ground that should have never happened in the first place and the only reason it happened because of taxes that's it that guy should have never been arrested you have to remember you have to remember he's never been accused of a capital crime he wasn't committing a capital crime and even if he were which is to say that he was facing the death penalty for whatever he was being accused of that's not how we carry out Justice in this country you don't get choked to death on the street like an animal that's not how that's not how we roll okay that's so but but when you look that they they even tried to claim it wasn't a choke which I had a step bit of technicality yeah well technically that's what I do for a living so I'm like that's a [ __ ] choke you know let me do it to you let me tell you if you could breathe real good that's ridiculous you're grabbing your for around that guy's neck and squeezing that's a [ __ ] choke well I think you're right I think it exposed uh policing for profit I and that's the real issue New York City wasn't suddenly a lawless [ __ ] Bane running Gotham City to I mean nothing nothing happened what happened was that innocent people stopped getting harassed for no reason on the street over Penny an Revenue generating uh ordinances and in that sense it's not even the fault of the cops the cops are being forced into these situations where they become Revenue collectors like these cops are being forced to go back and start policing as usual because they have [ __ ] quotas and people that say oh quotas are [ __ ] you know you're no you have to research it the the quotas are [ __ ] real they're 100% real we they uh an organization a great local blog uh creso gram in in Miami who does a lot he's like obsessed we have this
chapter 119 these public record laws we call them Sunshine laws where everything's in the sunshine um doesn't quite always work that way in Florida but uh Sunny place for shady people and all that but he he just he just does public record request Non-Stop and so people start leaking stuff to him before he even requests it and he got an email that this uh this like uh this like third shift this overnight shift in Little Haiti neighborhood that the city of Miami Police is arrest quota they actually had from from like the shift Sergeant sent out an email with quotas that included arrest quotas meaning that each officer had to arrest AFF effectuate an arrest for what he didn't specify but they had a minimum number of arrests they had to perform during a shift that is insane what if you don't encounter anyone committing a crime well that's what I've always said what would happen in this country if the entire country if all 350 million people agreed okay even you [ __ ] hardcore criminals no one's going to do anything wrong for a month just one month the the the system shut down yeah the opposite of The Purge for one month no one's going to speed no one's going to steal no one's going to do anything wrong just everyone abide by the law even I mean that's that's not outside the realm of possibility these these departments would freak the [ __ ] out they wouldn't know what to do they would have no Revenue coming in I I think about I think about you know what what Hitchens rest in peace always used to say about you know the necessity of of religion to keep us from becoming Savages or be you know from from we we know right from wrong we have internal moral compass I said earlier I'm like God I wish I could be corrupt you know like I so I can make more money and you know and take care of my family better but like but I can't do it I you know every time I kind of like try to lay off I was you know of just like what's right or wrong I get right back on Twitter and I'm like this shit's wrong and people need to know about it and like it's the same thing there it's like without the Ten Commandments would we just start raping and robbing and murdering and I don't think we would do that as I think we all have it goes back to this this sense of self-worth I think we all have by and large this the sense
of self-worth and preservation which might very well be off the charts but I think actually creates makes us a little bit more civilized because it's like well I have to much to lose maybe you know I'm not going to just rape Rob and murder I think you're right I think happen think that's a bad way of addressing it in the first place like this I have too much to lose to do that no you don't want to hurt people it feels bad it feels bad to insult people one of the issues that we have with the Internet is that you know you have a a real issue with people stalking harassing being trolling people being vicious to people strangers too like people they don't know because there's no social consequences there's no no you don't you don't feel it if you're looking at a person and you take a person and you show them a picture of them with 15 dicks in their mouth which by the way I'm not really talking about that CU that's usually pretty funny like there's a lot of pictures of me with dicks in my mouth I've never once tried to take them off the internet I think they're hilarious it doesn't bother me but for some people it's genuinely upsetting especially women like that find pictures of them attached to dude believe me go to my [ __ ] Message Board there's a swarm of them I don't have a problem with is it a g a swarm of dicks is it a gaggle how do you a flock of dicks like a a cauldron I don't know I just think look there's the golden rule of the internet if there's a photo of you in the internet somewhere someone has photoshopped a dick in your mouth I mean it's just that's if they haven't it's just the people don't know about that photo yet I guarantee you by the end of this podcast there will be pictures of you in some sort of a compromising position what's funny said if I if I didn't have one I'd actually be offended i' feel i' feel worse about myself I'd be like no one's bothered to even Photoshop a dick in my mouth certain amount of photographs of you on the internet it's ultimately inevitable if you're a public person you know if you are I think it's fairly edible at this been proven but I think that you know that that that's more fun than anything but I think hateful [ __ ] you're talking about
yeah hateful [ __ ] like I mean I've seen some really [ __ ] evil harassment that some people have had to suffer for whatever reason it seems to be more women than anything because with women they could use the rape thing like if a guy tells me he's going to rape me I'm like well good luck with that that's not going to happen unless you rofy me you're not raping me dude you know no Cosby I mean you'd have to yeah this this this thing that we can do because of this um this ability to interact with people with no social consequences it's a real issue Twitter gangsters yeah I call them sad lonely Twitter trolls Facebook is a little bit better because with Facebook you can click on the person's profile and you see oh this is Mike Jones from you know blah BL blah Street T some [ __ ] egg you know with some stupid handle and yeah I mean that does become a a real issue with social interaction but I think it's a temporary hiccup I really do I think that this we're in a a stage of almost an adolescent stage of interactivity where what we're experiencing now is is just it's a it's a weird like bridge between total connectivity I the complete absence of any form of privacy is on the way and it might be a 100 years from now it might be 30 it might be in our lifetime it may be a couple months from now somebody might come up with something and they'll say look this is going this one thing that we're going to implement is going to be unbelievable as far as exchanging information as far as our knowledge base the actual IQ of human beings is going to double within weeks we're going to change the world but no more privacy I mean it's you think we're in like the learning curve kind of it's going to happen we we are essentially we are driving around in model A's but one day someone's going to invent a [ __ ] 9911 GT3 and you know if you went back and to time when Henry Ford's driving around his stupid [ __ ] shitty car you know and you pulled up beside him in a Mustang Shelby GT500 and go check this [ __ ] out I'm from the future he'd be like what the [ __ ] is that dud I'm still waiting on the hoverboard I'm still waiting on the hoverboard I but but the hoverboard is just you're just floting what's the big deal it's just not touching anything W
it's so crazy we have jets that go fast in the speed of sound I mean that's the the hoverboards dog [ __ ] oh it can float soak in a plane stupid I just think of how much the the world is is changed we're we're working on a dock about uh about 911 right now and and it's it's like you know it's been like 14 years you it's been it's which is incredible because it seems like such a modern historic which it is of course a modern historical event but it seems like just yesterday and when you consider how much the world has changed particularly Tech technologically there was no Twitter there was no Instagram there was no you know there was the uh there was barely YouTube at that point you know uh so I think YouTube actually no there was no YouTube was like 2003 or 2004 like there was like nabster in 99 but that like you just think of how far we've come I think you're right this is just the infancy of of of this era yeah yeah and I think um like what you're talking about on your website where all these people are getting upset and you know the Trayvon Martin thing and people are inter acting and this racism and all this all that stuff I think is a byproduct of this the the monkey DNA that we still carry around in our bodies and I think we're on our way to transcending that in some very strange way where it's not going to matter what part of the world you're from it's not going to matter it's all that what are the things we' seen with these people getting yep these people getting married in Alabama the you know the the way the the world is changing that I believe is 100% because of the internet I believe that wholeheartedly and that's one of the things that encourages me and I feel like this trend like today like no one could try to bring back slavery today but in 1870 1865 1860 these were real arguments these are real arguments where people are saying we should be able to keep slaves that's a [ __ ] blink of an eye man that is not that long ago you're talking about 150 years that ain't [ __ ] that's not [ __ ] historically I mean that's so so recent and more so now than ever before more so within the last few years than ever before and you know youve seen ridiculous things of like the social justice Warriors these really weird white people that are trying so hard to get black people to love them
that they just go out of their way to just be outrageously Progressive to the point where they're actually prejudice against other white people they're like they go so far left they become right you know I mean I've seen some ridiculous [ __ ] where I saw this one guy who was quoting about Osama Bin Laden saying that um I will never uh celebrate someone's death uh you know even if they were a horrible person you know and then the same guy quoted about Christopher Hitchens you know good riddance he was a misogynist and a warmonger like okay [ __ ] like you can't have it both ways but what he is is the Uber version of the social justice Warrior the unfuckable white dude trying so hard to get women and black people to love him because he just is completely insubstantial in any real form in our in our the the normal context of our culture well I find the more you know thinking about race so much is kind of racist so like the more kind of progressive you get about these issues the more you're thinking about sensitivity and the more I think that's an overcorrection yeah just to say the least you know I we um like black Annie black Annie doing black Uncle Buck did you know that I just wanted to bang my head that you don't have to do that that that that Trend that like was that like the late 90s early zeros when like hip hop was peing they did a black there was the black Honeymooners I don't there was the black airplane with so play they started so that trend is like coming back around again like we have to we have to do the we have to do the Black version of like all of these like pop culture uh don't though this is It's demeaning it's demeaning to black people to do that and first of all Soul Plane I I know the guy who created it white guy not only that opportunist kind of a [ __ ] you know it's just what's going on is people are taking advantage of this opportunity to like to capitalize on a market culture culture vultures culture vultures great way of looking at ear last early last year we did a a miniseries for for VH1's Rock dos series I think it might have been one of their last Rock docs ever um called the tanning of America One Nation Under hip-hop and so it was tanning tanning of America One Nation Under hip hop as long as there no blackface involved and and
it was uh it written it was a book called The Tanning of America written by a guy named Steve Stout who was a a a uh major Duty guy in in the record business and is now a a big wig in the marketing and advertising world and his thesis was that hip-hop culture led to the election of the first black president the idea that a generation of Americans that grew up immersed with the music the fashion how it INF traded uh the Wall Street uh uh Madison Avenue and the consumer goods uh uh sector and like and we just grew up immersed in this culture uh it tanned the mental complexion of Americans and made it okay or even cool to vote for a the first black president and so we had four hours to kind of prove this this thesis and we go to Sundance last year um I think it was actually the venue was called the black house um and it was an event that sort of celebrated the the African-American uh Cinema and culture that was going on at Sundance and so we're going to do like this panel discussion because the movie wasn't done yet and we're going there and someone had said to me for the first time we've been working on this project for almost two years or a year and a half and someone said to me for the first time like particularly I guess they were concerned about that environment uh the black you the black house which turned out to be a fantastic experience but they said well what if somebody says like well why are you guys doing it you know you two like white Jewish dudes from from Miami why why why are you guys doing this documentary and I was like and the thought had never crossed my mind like I didn't even think about that like why would I think about it fascinating subject great story great idea great concept a challenge to kind of prove that which is what you do that's what you cover historically and I never thought and then and then I sort of and then I started thinking about it and I'm like well why am I even thinking about this like and and and and like someone put it you know got in my head with it and and white privilege yeah and you have white privilege and then I started getting white guilt about it white guilt yeah white male privilege I was like oh [ __ ] should have white guilt and then I started feeling like well wait is it
white male privilege that I never thought about this before I was like oh [ __ ] of course it is shame shame on you I started I was really in my head about this and I'm like and what if somebody else brings it up like publicly or asks me about it or what the hell am I going to say to do and I and I and I thought about it I thought about it for literally that entire thing happened in like a millisecond and then I'm like well first of all uh we are that generation I thought about my childhood In Living Color was my SNL right Areno was my Johnny Carson I grew up a white white Jewish kid I watched 227 I watched The Cosby Show a different world Amen you remember the show amen the am I watching amen for amen what Deacon for you remember it took place at like a black church with with what's his name George Jefferson was like it was like it was it was it was a great show but what the hell am I watching it for but I loved it I didn't think about how about sord and Son one of the greatest [ __ ] shows Norman Le a little white Jewish guy like me was responsible for for the first all black sitcoms on television uh uh Sanford and Son The Jeffersons Good Times um All in the Family which really brought the discussion of race to Tele to mainstream television in the way standup Comics were doing it obviously well before that but but said we're going to go on network television and have serious conversations about politics and race and poverty uh in this country um white Jewish guy and then you look at Russell Russell Simmons teams up with Rick Rubin a white Jewish guy uh at NYU um you look at all you know all these sort of relationships that helped uh you know we interviewed Brett Ratner white Jewish kid from Miami Beach who was loved hip-hop because hip-hop wasn't it was it wasn't just Urban Music it was youth culture music and that's why I captured the generation of you know kids who didn't want to listen to what their parents were listening to you know and it wasn't rock and roll anymore it became hip hop or or rap music at the time and the second thing was Steve Stout to his credit when we walked in the room to meet with him he didn't know we were white he knew we did Cocaine Cowboys he knew we did the you he knew the work and
he respected and liked the work so he's like oh I want to work with those guys who did this [ __ ] that I like and respect it wasn't like oh wait they're white so to his credit he never thought about it either so it's like why should I start thinking about it I'm dealing with the same thing right now with dog fight that's what I'm I'm dealing with Now dog fight to these folks explain uh your your new project well first I got to spell it D WG VI dog fight yeah it's not like uh pitbulls yeah it's Dal it's not it's it's dog fight well the the underground culture in Miami there's been like a street fighting culture yeah well this was the the subculture that that real well I'd say Kimo was kind of responsible for it in a way because he became the uh you know the role model for a new generation of young people in Miami to literally try to fight their way to a better life and there's this neighborhood which is right right where Kimbo came from and would fight in the backyards uh called West Pine so this is 22 miles Southwest of South Beach so when you think Miami you most people default like I said but you know the Ocean Drive this is 22 Mi Southwest of that this is in an area that I call a Suburban ghetto and I say that cuz when you think of ghetto or an urban neighborhood you think of um you think of vertical you know people stacked in projects you know you know on top of each other next to each other but Pine has these very modest houses in like on a on a pretty reasonably sized lot so you have a little house and you have a a nice size yard and so daada 5000 dafier Harris he's this guy who actually there's a video of him a YouTube video that we use in the movie of him benching in his mom's yard there in Pre 650 lb he benches um and he's benching he's bench pressing and team Kimbo comes rolling by and sees this guy this beast and is like I'm going to fight Ray Mercer in Atlantic City why don't you roll with us so for a year Dada is on the [ __ ] jet you know going around the world with with with Team Kimbo well Kimbo was very slick in that fight with Ray Mercer he was very smart caught him in a [ __ ] Guillotine he's like listen [ __ ] I learned some new [ __ ] I ain't standing up with you Olympic gold medalist world heavyweight boxing champion [ __ ] you I'm going to [ __ ] choke your neck and
Kimbo like when he did that like Ray Mercer was pissed off you saw the ray Mercer fight with Tim Sylvia did you see that fight no I didn't godamn Ray Mercer hit Tim Sylvia with a punch that probably took a year and a half off his life I mean one punch he he koed terrible he koed him so viciously with this one punch I mean it was one within the first 15 20 seconds of the fight just hit him flush on the chin and knocked him dead so you're seeing that in a legal sanction environment where they where they Fighters had had checkups they were weigh in there's a doctor ambulance a lot of these are like on Indian reservations Stu well imagine it in a [ __ ] backyard oh dude I've seen them all I've seen Alex ceros who fights for the UFC right now he got his start doing that [ __ ] so did Jorge Mas Vidal who's a highlevel fighter in the UFC Mas Vidal fought a lot of those fights well that that like to me like the origin that's the goal for these guys you have a neighborhood that is um you know over a third black uh vast majority of the of the community is Bel you know below the the poverty level um unemployment is like a third higher than the national average and you basically have a community with very little hope and very little opportunity you know you've criminalized a vast majority of the male population so they're not they can't get work and they think that their best hope is to fight in these illegal unsanctioned bare knuckle backyard brawls upload the footage to YouTube and hopefully get discovered by a professional MMA promoter or trainer and and try to go pro well look at Kimbo Kimbo Slice has made millions of dollars he's the guy they he's the that Horatio Alger story that that that they aspired to be and he recently got signed for Bellator he's going to fight again on Tel is Kimbo um it's a good question I would say he's probably in his 40s now you know uh when he fought for The Ultimate Fighter I think he was like in his late 30s let's see slice Dada so they blew up team Kimbo blew up a fighter named level level Martinez 41 41 wow um I'm thinking that's old in the in the world of the average age of heavyweights tend to age uh better um it's but uh he fought at 205 I believe in the UFC um I think there's something going on with heavyweights where your
body takes longer to learn how to move all that mass if I had to look at it that way lighter weight Fighters also rely much more on speed and reflexes I think as you get larger you tend to rely more on skills and more on it's just sort of an understanding of what your body can and can't do they have smaller gas tanks just undeniably like there's no way a heavyweight unless your Kane Velasquez who's a really a [ __ ] freak of nature can fight at the same sort of a pace that a lighter weight guy can so the thing the UFC heavyweight champion Kan velas is one of the most unique athletes I've ever seen because LS itself to Long it I mean you just sort of like go at well not him in his case no because he's all [ __ ] up I mean Kane who is an amazing fighter and one of the I think he might is a good argument he might be the best heavyweight of all time but his body keeps breaking he keeps blowing out knees and shoulders it's because he's so mentally tough and he's so driven and focused and so intense and dedicated that he pushes through injuries and you can't [ __ ] do that you know when you push through injuries what happens is they just break further you know I mean you can't push through a knee injury what you're doing is yeah you got to get surgery or you got to heal or you got to figure out a way to recuperate the scenario or or or alter your training so that you you know this doesn't happen in the future but they're all just so [ __ ] tough man which is what made them great wrestlers in the first place and what allow them to transition into MMA but Kane has this insane gas tank where he just doesn't get [ __ ] tired he just overwhelms guys because he's just he's got so much [ __ ] cardio and a lot of it is probably natural like his just his body different people have different like natural V2 Maxes it's just it's one of those things like some people have more uh fast twitched muscle fiber some people have thicker bones some people have more they can just especially for some reason it seems like Mexicans in particular have very good cardio it's really common you know that I mean it could conceivably be that a lot of Mexican folks come from really hardworking environments and they've been forced to work like labor jobs like a lot of them especially
second third generation whose parents had an arduous Trek to get over here from Mexico you know it could be mental could be just more mentally tough or could be some physiological aspect but my point is that like he's a rarity and that his gas tank is just insane most heavyweights as they get older they kind of learn how to Pace themselves better they learn their their skills they learn how to be more efficient with their Movement Like Vladimir Klitschko who is just Unstoppable as the heavyweight champion in boxing I believe I want to say he's 39 years old which is I mean he's coming into his own now I mean when he was younger he went to a streak where he got stopped I think two fights in a row he got koed and you know wasn't wasn't wasn't looking good for him and now he's like you know all these years later he's like Unstoppable yeah he's um he's 38 right now and he's you know he hasn't lost like 10 [ __ ] years I'm kind of fascinated by this because I'm just getting into it now I spent almost two years following this and several years post trying to find a way to get released it is almost done we're scoring it now it's coming out March 12th will it be in the films you go to dog Das fight.com da awg.com or if you if that's tough to remember cocain cowboys.com we we we'll eventually we'll eventually get you there you can click through yeah but um uh we uh it's going to be online it's going to be online you're going to be able to get it there at the site like will will it be on Netflix will be eventually absolutely oh absolutely event eventually everywhere I'm hoping to eventually get it on Showtime we've had a we've had a great run with the Cocaine Cowboys movies and some of our other docs on Showtime it's so good Cocaine Cowboys is so good the critic of the Miami heral saw a rough cut because we're we're going to Prem that that [ __ ] no no no the movie critic no who's a great guy by the way Renee Rodriguez I love Renee he saw a rough cut he saw a rough cut and he said it's our best movie dog fight who and that's that's strong words because cooking Cowboys one was amazing Cocaine Cowboys 2 might have even been better really might have been better Gela said me Gisela godamn that [ __ ] is terrifying when whenever I hear about people like doing [ __ ] for money or for
a paycheck I was just like listen I did Cocaine Cowboys 2 hustling with the Godmother I directed a movie called Cocaine Cowboys 2 hustling not even hustling hustling with an apostrophe at the end of it with the god m i mean that's in my filmography thank you you're very kind you're very I'm not kind I [ __ ] do you do not like the second one as much as the first one I don't really yeah I mean if if I'm ranking for you know I was say movies movies are are like kids you when people say do you have a favorite [ __ ] yeah but I'm not going to tell you you know like that's it's the same thing with kids like every parent I don't give give a [ __ ] what they say I love them all equally no you don't cuz some kids are just [ __ ] you you can't possibly you know and and some of them are screw-ups in life and you have children no I don't yeah you can kind of love them all equally because I think when kids [ __ ] like them all equally yeah it's kind of it's there's a part of it that's your fault that's the thing that people gu you're saying the guilt compensates for for the raises the love because you feel that they need more love because you screwed them up you're responsible for their being had a dog that killed one of my other dogs and I love the dog that she killed but I loved her just as much and it was very sad I mean obviously I should have loved the dog that got killed more cuz she wasn't a [ __ ] she wasn't an [ __ ] that was you know out there killing the other dogs but this this dog was a sweetie and I picked her up at the pound and she lived at the pound she was in one of those no kill shelters for like 8 months and when I was young man I had a real problem in that um was hard to uh talk about I guess um where I felt like um I felt I I always had this uh this need to help Strays and I think I I had this need to help Strays because I felt like a stray and when I would see a a a dog in a pound or like I I bought a cat from a [ __ ] pet store cuz it hissed at me you know cuz I felt like this poor [ __ ] cat like scared of me I'm not you don't have to scared of me I love you and uh I felt that way about this dog this poor dog I used to call her squeaky cuz uh when I picked her up she
couldn't even talk she couldn't bark cuz she had barked so much so often in this pound that her voice was gone so when she was barking in the pound she'd be like it was like this squeaky noise and I was like what the [ __ ] is wrong with her voice and I realized oh my God she's barking all day and she doesn't have a voice anymore and then when I took her home and took care of her she eventually got her voice back and she barked like a normal dog but that dog [ __ ] loved people man she loved people she was so happy to be out of that but she didn't like other dogs cuz if other dogs came near her she felt like it was a competition for love like if you came near another dog that other dog was going to get that love so she would get upset at that dog for stealing love from her and she would try to attack it so I loved her equally even though she was an idiot you know but it wasn't her fault that she was an idiot you know I it would I would I realized from then on I would never get a dog that's not a puppy that you got to raise them from the time they're puppies because then you don't have any they don't have any phobias or weirdness and you get a chance to to raise them around people and raise them around other dogs and socialize them and it's an important aspect of humans just like it's an important aspect of any other animal that's in our culture so um you know I you can love your [ __ ] shitty kids just as much as you love your good kids because it's partly fault that they're shitty I don't know about it's your part it's your fault for bringing them into the world some people are just born [ __ ] you know I I don't believe that I believe that no I don't think so I think um I think it's how there some people require more attention I don't think people are boring [ __ ] though I just I think there there's nature versus nurture but I think that CU there are people who endure in what I would consider many other people consider intolerable uh stress and abuse and don't become psychotic [ __ ] and then there who are are raised in the most loving and nurturing uh uh uh and and and per and permissive and enabling environments and become deranged lunatics so you for that I don't buy that I think those people that become deranged lunatics they probably didn't
get the attention that they deserved or they probably didn't get the look raising a human being is not as simple as just sending the kids to school and tucking them in bed at night you you're you're you're training them you're communicating with them you're imparting love and you're impart they they learn learn by imitating their atmosphere they learn by imitating their environment or they learn because they get ignored and they figure [ __ ] out on their own some do people learn different ways and people absorb the lessons they learn in different ways it's like you were talking about the the sort of the chemical makeup of a fighter and how different bones and different bodies respond differently to different stimulus and depending on your size and your shape and and and your training and your steroids or whatever I think that that ha that's that's true of a human you're born with a certain chemical balance and I'm not saying that can't shift change with time but I think there are certain inclinations that we are born with good or bad that cannot be rectified by a proper or positive upbring born with like right out of the box right out of the box I don't I don't buy that at all you're gay you're crazy you're black you're white gay and crazy and black all in one sentence how dare you no wonder why people are so upset at you I was just I those were M mutually exclusive uh examples and I I just but I think that there are there are unquestionably characteristics that you cannot raise or beat or love out of somebody that they are just engrained in them I think you should probably have kids before you say that I really do I think you should probably have kids and raise them from the time they're babies and see the developmental process because it's a lot of what you're doing right now is just speculating and me I've raised three kids I've I've been there I've I've seen the process of good and bad the corrective process and I've been very lucky that my kids don't don't have devel developmental issues or mental issues and some kids are certainly born with that but I think to a large extent children imitate their environment and there's certainly a lot of deterministic factors there's a lot of genetic factors there's a lot of like in intangible variables that are
difficult to there's going to be kids that are more selfish there's going to be kids that are more Angry there's going to be kids that are more outgoing there's going to be kids that are more gregarious there's happen regardless of shitty people though shitty people come from abuse almost always almost always when you have a really terrible person that terrible person is not treated with love almost universally I I just don't buy that unless you have some like real issue like a real brain issue where there's like some part of the mind it develops Decay or there's a tumor there's an injury there's something where there's a there's a disconnect to very processes unless that's the case like you don't you don't make a monster I I believe I I don't think that's true I think I think you can choose to be a good person or a bad person I think there are some people that cannot choose that are based on based on who give me an example that's you're saying it's a very bold statement I don't think it's that bold don't think it's very bold saying that some people are [ __ ] from birth you might you're saying I'm not talking about the spiritual way I I'm I'm I'm talking about it we're not saying spiritual we're saying the way they behave like you you're saying that some people no matter what you do no matter how much effort you put in how much love you give these kids and how much you expose them to different environments you give them different tasks and different learning opportunities there's still going to be [ __ ] yes that's based that's that's B that's such a bold statement that's what but why would you say that that's B you have no data like it's not based on anything yeah but but but but but it's also a question of how you define but it is there there's isolated cases of that everywhere there's it's like affluenza affluenza is like one of there isolated cases you should have those isolated cases in your mind if you're saying something I'm citing right now I'm citing the the affluenza cases for example the flu not influenza affluenza oh affluent this new made up it's this new madeup thing that say these kids are [ __ ] because they've been given they've been given everything in life so now they're [ __ ] as and you would argue and and
and that's because they're most likely ignored just because they have money doesn't mean they have love and doesn't mean they have learning experiences doesn't mean someone has been nurturing them or guiding them or mentoring them those are the issues that people have it's not money but I'm saying it's also possible that they have mental defects that's all I'm really talking about which is what you've already said which that is that there are people who have who are wired is what I'm saying to to to to uh propensities uh to violence to beused it's very possible that they do however most likely if they become [ __ ] is because someone did a shitty job of raising them that includes this affluenza which is a very new term which is why it [ __ ] me up it's a horrible be a thing it shouldn't be a thing well they've been using this to exonerate people from it's crazy well it's this world though where where and you're going to you're going to get on me about this too because I don't have kids but it's this world where everybody's looking for an answer for why their kid's an [ __ ] for why their kid's acting out for why their kid is too sensitive for why their kid and everybody needs a diagnosis drug fix everybodys to like oh I'm not [ __ ] up my K actually well most likely by the time you have one of those issues you've already [ __ ] your kid up that's what's going on children are animals okay just like a person a grown adult is an animal no it's an animal animals react to their environment if you ever had a feral cat no I've had feral cats my friend Laney her and her boyfriend these [ __ ] cats underneath the house and they this cat had given birth these cats and she was giving away kittens and I again I have to take in stray so I took this [ __ ] stray in and this crazy [ __ ] cat was in my house and and learning from feral cats you realize like oh okay like this cat is already [ __ ] like by the time I got to it it was x amount of months old or whatever it was there was no fixing this [ __ ] thing it was already [ __ ] and that is the case with human beings you develop a certain amount of pathways in your your mind in your intellect in the way you comprehend the world in the way you you you you interact with your environment that's based upon the
dangers that you've been exposed to based upon the in input that you've had and once those pathways are defined in a very violent and negative way or whether you've been ignored or whether you've been spoiled to the point where you could scream at the help and yell at the housekeepers and everybody bows down in front of you because you're a a Rockefeller or just something along the lines the affluenza aspect of it when you get to a certain point those pathways are so established in the mind that it's insanely difficult to change that so when you're coming along you're saying like hey you know I need a pill to fix my kid no you didn't pay attention to them enough like a child needs constant attention babies need to have a mother around them all the time a father around them all the time they need input they need to try to develop an understanding of their world and a lot of people don't do that they pass their kid off to the [ __ ] Nanny they don't pay attention to it when it cries in the crib and they they wonder why their kid gets [ __ ] up when they're working 17 hours a day and they never see the kid and they're like I don't have any [ __ ] time to deal with this kid let's put him on Prozac well what happens how do you then explain to people who overcome adversity who come from horrific life experiences and make something of themselves just because you can because it can be done doesn't mean everyone's going to do it not everyone's going to finish a [ __ ] Marathon just because people start running some people run 100 miles they do that ultra marathon some people get 5 miles in they're like I can't [ __ ] do this and for whatever reason they decide to take a nap they decide to sit on the side of the highway and stop some people they decide you know what my mom was a prostitute my dad was a junkie and I am not going to be like that I'm going to learn and I'm never going to have a drink I have a friend who who's a great guy and his grandmother used to lock him in his [ __ ] room and lock the door and leave him there for the weekend so she could get drunk his mom was never there his parents were never there and he this [ __ ] guy to this day won't touch alcohol he's not a psychotic [ __ ] right and is terrified about food like he ow he he will not throw
food away like when he goes to a restaurant and he gets scraps I mean it be a tiny portion that guy will take that to go with him he will not waste food is because when he was a kid he was exposed to this horrible situation but other people could have been exposed to that and become a serial killer other people could be exposed to the same situation and that's I'm saying because they're pre predisposed to being good bad people that's exactly what I'm saying it's not a predisposed he made choices and he became a fighter and one of the things about martial arts gave him a sense of selfworth and character but you can't say that it's he's predisposed to be a good person or someone else would be predisposed to be a bad person a lot of it is these subtle variables that happen when you're interacting with your environment I think some of those subtle variables though are chemical they are in the brain they are they they they do they do exist and it's possible but it's also you should know what you're talking about when you're saying these kind of things like you're you're stating them as facts and I think there's a real issue with that when you don't have any data oh no I'm saying them as opinions but you're not though you're saying when you're saying that some people are [ __ ] I'm saying I believe I'm not saying that people you know you're arguing it so strongly like you you have this in your mind as a rigid idea I mean there's definitely possibilities as far as mental deficiencies I mean look some people are born blind you know some people are born where they don't have any hands there there's a lot of issues with human beings we don't come out perfect but to say that some people could do a great job and their kid's just going to be a monster anyway most likely not most likely what you're seeing is people that do not want to take responsibility for the fact they did a shitty job of developing a human being that might be by and large true but you do have but but but uh schizophrenia is is a legitimate mental uh defect I don't I don't raised but that's what I'm talking about I'm talking about that's a predisposition talk about leukemia or schizophrenia you're talking about people being [ __ ] no no no I'm not no I'm not but
that's what you were saying no I'm talking about if if you grow up to be a truly Disturbed individual there are there's not always an opportunity to change that or to reverse that Trend regardless of how well you're brought up or how loving affluenza as an example of that that's not schizophrenia that's people that ignored their [ __ ] kids oh no absolutely what I'm saying what I'm saying is is is is is that there are people who have a predisposition towards certain behavior and there are people who may or may not be be raised right I think we're confusing the two issues I think ultimately we might actually be saying the same thing uh in one way or another but I'm saying I'm talking about legitimate defects in individuals legitimate defects in individuals call them call them mutations call them what you will most certainly they are legitimate defects in certain individuals most certainly but I think that a lot of what we're dealing with as a culture as a community is if you look at people in indigenous cultures they're constantly around their children they spend all this time with their children and you you see far less instances of mental issues you see far less mental diseases you see far less issues of depression and this the sort of existential angst that we exhibit almost like more frequently than not in our culture and I think a lot of that has to do with the developmental process of a child is not just Mis understood but is ignored and is is treated in a way where it's it's very irresponsible the way a lot of people raise children like I have friends really nice I have two friends that are they're very nice folks and they both work insanely difficult jobs where they're gone all day long and their kids are starting to be [ __ ] up and we've been friends with them for a long time so I've known their kids since they're little they've got a kid that I mean I I can't be too specific about it or I'll be but there's son is [ __ ] up man and they're smart but they're they don't have the time and they're not around the kid all the time and the kid's terrified and he [ __ ] screams in the middle of the night all the time they're never home they're they're [ __ ] they're they have nannies to take care of them and the kids are
really confused and these people have long hours they work long hours and I don't see that changing and I see their kids coming out of this in a very [ __ ] up way and I'm watching it happen from the beginning to to where they are now to the point where me me and my family we're kind of avoiding them now we don't want hang out with them because their kids are starting to be disturbed they start they're they're they're acting aggressive towards other kids in some sort of a weird way um you their their need to be around their parents is like it's it's not it's not normal it's like this like like they're drowning you know like they need air and their parents are air it's like they cling to them they hold on to them they're scared of everything and what it is is these kids are not being nurtured correctly because it's not natural in the wild as a human being as an organism it's not natural to be away from your your parents for 16 hours of every day it's not it's not natural to see your parents just as you go to bed and as you wake up that's [ __ ] crazy but that is the norm for a lot of these people that want their cake and they want to eat it too they want to have a career and also have children you know I know a woman who is a [ __ ] huge executive at a major company and this crazy lady has three kids and they're all nuts they're [ __ ] kids are nuts you know why cuz Mommy barely exists mommy barely mommy exists in their life for 10 minutes a day that's nuts man that's nuts for a three-year-old and they don't know what Mommy is they don't they're not around her you're supposed to be around her hours and hours supposed to be cuddled and nurtured and you play with them and you teach them about life you teach them how to talk and how to count you know and then I have another friend and his wife doesn't work at all and the kid is three it can already count to a thousand it already knows how to spell his name and spell words and because why because the mom's interacting with the kid all day long and this kid is happy and I'm seeing the direct effect of people nurturing their kid and developing their kid as a project mentoring their kid the same way you would Mentor someone about how to do martial arts the same way you were Mentor someone about how to write or how to do mathematics or you're
you're developing a a a thing a thinking thing and that's what a human being is and I can't fathom a parent who would have this human being that is born of them that would not want to engage at that level you know what meaning that would be like oh I want to go to work and leave my three children in the care of some other person who is not phys you know who is not responsible for them in in in the in the absolute way that I would be respon I can't even I can't even fathom that that mentality so I'm not trying to get parents off the hook with with this Theory but you also had an example of a perfectly uh uh well adjusted out standing Citizen and and uh upright citizen human being who came from a horrible environment and over let not get carried away he's not an outstanding human being he's [ __ ] up he he's a fighter you don't get to be a fighter what I'm saying is this guy won't drink and he won't he won't waste food and this is directly because of his horrific childhood he's not a good guy he's in fact he's he's kind of abusive towards his children and he's got issues of his own he's not a good guy but what I'm saying is there's a direct response to this guy living this horrible Life as a child to him saying I am not going to be like that anymore I'm going to make sure I don't do drugs I'm going to make sure I don't drink and this is because he lived in this horrible environment where we saw the Direct effects of someone being an alcohol hear but he's still he's a shitty parent you know I mean this is it's a very complex issue it's a very complex issue raising children and it's an issue where people conveniently intelligent people conveniently like to skirt the responsibility of what it is to raise their children and I see it from friends I see it from friends that work long hours and it's one of the reasons why I choose to work much fewer hours than I could I I want to be around I'm leaving from here I'm going to go pick up my kid and when I when I do that I'm going to hang out with them and I'm I'm going to play and we're going to have a good time and we're going to talk about stuff and I think it's a responsibility that a parent has I think people evolve toward that not only in terms of becoming a parent and and your priorities change
but like as as I get older I can kind of I I can I can sense that happening in me like I want to work less I want to enjoy life and have experiences a little bit more you know ambition is great it's great I mean it allows us to become successful to the point where we have less stress you have a nice home you have food on the table you can take care of your needs but when it gets past a certain point you know my friend Brian Ken said it best he said you want to be successful enough where you don't worry about what it costs to go out to dinner goes after that it's all [ __ ] and it's he's right I mean once you know you can have a nice meal and you don't worry about food you don't worry about having a roof over your head you don't you don't have to live in a dangerous neighborhood you can afford to live in an area where you you know that your family and your loved ones are safe other than that it's all [ __ ] well you have a bigger house and then a bigger and now you have a castle now you own an island and come on it's all More Money More Problems biggie said it right you know it's it's at a certain point in time it becomes you you you trap yourself with your own own ambition and you get yourself into a situation where you realize like oh this is not the smart way to do this I've just been caught up in this this Zero Sum game this idea that you know there's a there's a certain am you know like you have to continue to grow you have to continue to expand like like a corporation it's we just had you know we're coming out we're coming out to LA we make once a year we make the pilgrimage um you know otherwise we work and live in Miami and we're coming out to LA and it's like we had a meeting and it's like this is on the one hand it's like this is the most most important meeting of our careers and then I thought about it cuz I like to do this sometimes just kind of flip something on its head and go 180 degrees and say what if my belief is the exact what if the reality is is the exact opposite of my belief so I said what if this is the least important meeting of our careers and it dawned on me it's like it's something kind of outside of our it's it's in the entertainment industry but it's kind of outside of our core competency as non-fiction filmmakers and
it certainly would Advance Us in the industry but I was just like if nothing comes of it or it doesn't go well this most important meaning of our careers we go home we go back to work making our documentaries I have very little to complain about you know I I don't have to worry about where my next meal is going to come from or where or or if I'm going to have a roof over my head I still got to work you know I still but we'll just keep doing what we've always been doing and we're pretty happy you know pretty pretty happy in life like what more do I actually well I love I'd love to be able to support my parents a little bit like there's things like that but like but beyond that it's just like so what happens if this most important meeting doesn't go well it's like life is still pretty good like I don't have that much to to complain about all thing you know so yeah so I don't know if that's a product of being and 10 years ago I would have been like on the I would have been like oh [ __ ] this is it everything's riding on this if you and now I'm kind of like well but what if it doesn't go well it's like what's life experience you grow you learn you just get better at functioning and you get better at coping with stress and you also have have a perspective of a long life you know you have this perspective of many years of life on this planet and learning the lessons I was thinking about that with the you know we were talking about the heavy weights getting older and Kimbo being for what we said1 and you know and uh I'm think we did this DOC for ESPN called broke about professional athletes going broke and exactly what you just described which is like the natural or typical trajectory of an American it's like you're born you go to school you learn a trade presumably you graduate and enter the workforce you enter obviously at the at the entry level you start to work your way up in set industry or pivot to something else or whatever it is but in the meantime you get married maybe you get divorced maybe you get married again you make some Investments some good some bad you buy a house you have a mortgage maybe you have a foreclosure you get some experience you start to learn as you grow and as you grow and an advance in an industry you're making more money hopefully and
then by the time you're say in your 50s you're at the peak of your powers you are making the most you're going to make uh and then you retire and that entire structure is completely upside down for a professional athlete because they're going to make the most money they're ever going to make in their lives basically in their 20s right you know even if you're a a sort of Premium Mo you know the most successful crem to LR like like top 1% of of professional athletes because other thing people don't understand in in this in this business is that like and that's sports and entertainment is that like not everybody is a millionaire people don't understand that like not a lot of uh sport uh professional athletes are Journeymen you know they make decent money or they make league minimum whatever it is but they still have to work you know they can't just retire tomorrow and and be okay and and that's the thing about every when people see that you you know you oh you make movies your shit's on Showtime or I see your stuff all the time or you know you're ver you have a you have a check on Twitter it's like you must be you must be a millionaire there's like this incredible misconception that like in my life work that like uh we're rich and famous and we are like neither of of those things you know but like I I I see I I you should be rich from that [ __ ] documentary from Cocaine Cowboys if you didn't get rich somebody [ __ ] you the most money I've ever made in the drug industry is selling my urine to my friends cuz I was the only guy that didn't smoke or didn't do drugs in the drug industry yeah meaning like my friends would like you made more than that than you did from Cocaine Cowboys yeah no I never sold my urine oh cuz friends are going to be like dude you you you know my employer is going to start retesting if you uh you know if if you if you say you sold me some some piss but uh but it's true like I was the kid growing up that never I didn't drink till I was 21 have you ever done Coke no never never never Aderall a half an Aderall one right before the show no no no it's a good guess though solid I I I ate jolt energy gum before the before the show energy gum remember Jolt Cola yeah they have energy gum oh yeah don't do that that's bad you're going to have
a heart attack I'm sweating a little bit yeah it's true and plus you're going to crash at the end of this you're going to need a nap no no time I'm in La dude the pulse of this city is got keep going oh yeah stop go go go go go go stop stop stop stop go go go go go go go stop stop stop the pulse of this city yeah yeah um that's interesting so when you were doing Cocaine Cowboys did you ever have any desire to do Coke to see what the fuss is all about No in fact what it's interesting uh I went to an Arts High School and so and this is the mid 90s early early to mid90s so you know drug Trends I find like Nostalgia trends cyclical like there's certain perennials like pot's always popular um but like in the mid 90s it was back to like 60s drugs again people were doing my friends were doing like psychedelics they were doing acid shrooms easy was ecstasy was like in a similar genre so MDMA was on the rise then uh high school kids couldn't afford cocaine but that wasn't as popular as it later became in the in the as you know in the zeros again that that Trend was coming around but like um I was just never Cur ious to kind of alter my mind my my partners and I started our first company when we were sophomores in high school so I was like working I was like sort of goal oriented and then I was like I was raised to believe that like you go to school and then you go to college you know and you go to when I think it was my junior year when I had in in high school I had friends who were seniors and for the first time in my life I learned that not everybody goes to college that was the first time I knew that because I was just raised to believe that that's just the natural course of life I had friends who like I said we were in Arts High School we going to go I'm going to New York and I'm going to be a dancer and I'm going to go to La and I'm going to and I was like for college and they're like not at all I'm going to get an apartment with some friend I'm going to that was like a foreign concept to me so I was like the Straight Arrow I was a kid who finally got the respect that we would sit around in a circle and they'd be passing the joint and they would just pass it like around me you know they would know not to even were you in a a room yeah we we'd be like in a garage we' be in a backyard or but no usually
we're in a backyard usually we're in a backyard I'm sure I've gotten that secondhand Stone before I've seen people get [ __ ] up on weed but like like like have panic attacks oh yeah seen in this room that's I I didn't know I thought it was supposed to be like this chill high like this Mello High Timothy ly had a great expression about weed uh not about weed rather about LSD that La uh that LSD uh induces states of paranoia and psychosis and people that have never tried it like that people are terrified of LSD and you know just like I felt that way about Coke I mean I felt did Coke you'd have to scrape me off the [ __ ] ceiling with a shovel or like a rake or something cuz I would just like I would just like be CRA like this is how I am normally you know with some caffeine I just I was always I wasn't afraid I was always just like I'm I'm not going to have a positive reaction to this and I and I don't know that the prohibition has ever been a deterrent because obviously drugs are quite readily available in in in Miami uh in particular uh believe it or not big coke scene still and not as big of a Coke scene but like Molly is you know big now certainly weed the biggest part Molly is like the nicest people to be around the difference between people that are on Molly they want to rub you they want to come over and hold hands with you they're friendly they want to hug well the biggest concern shut the [ __ ] up the biggest concern there is like what are you actually ingesting like who are you buying it from what do they cut it with and which is the problem with the illegality illegality the prohibition creates the the poison AB unregulated I mean all these [ __ ] people that are smoking fake weed they're smoking this spice stuff and all this ter oh it's awful for you you don't even know where you're in gting your lungs your body doesn't know what to do with it it's alien you know the The cannaboid receptors like what the [ __ ] is this you know it's like the same argument against artificial sweeteners but to a much heightened uh much more heightened level because the the way it's interacting with your mind is it's you know I just think I again I think it's it's it's traces marijuana prohibition is like traces of this kind of like racism we
were talking about earlier this idea that you can't get past past it if you objectively analyze we're talking about Trayvon zimman if you just objectively analyze the facts of the situation there's really only one reality there and and it's it's incred to me how people how race gets in the way of blocking their access to that reality but it's the same thing with marijuana prohibition it's a plant that grows out of the earth that is less dangerous than poison ivy which is legal although I wouldn't smoke itend have a real hard time being objective about issues that are hot button issues you know whether it's drugs whether it's religion whether you have these drug dealers and lab coats at the at the local pharmacy okay who are killing children not them but like these pharmaceutical companies who were creating poison toxic chemicals that people because a doctor writes you a prescription for it gleefully hand it to their wives their kids their parents like that is a that is a a mindset that's like ingrained in us as a result of just like a life of of propaganda and and and just m mind [ __ ] I mean it's just it's literally just brainwashing that you could think oh this plant that grows out of the ground you shouldn't roll that and smoke it we do it with cigars we do it with cigarettes but as soon as you start adding crazy [ __ ] to it like nicotine or chemicals or that's that makes it legal because the FDA is I don't I just don't understand stamps it's I mean alcohol is one of the most devastating drugs but why are people okay with it by well it's because people are okay with culture when culture is firmly established and you grow up in that environment it seems normal to put a [ __ ] plate in your lips and stretch your lips out it's seems normal to put a bone through your nose why because all the elders they have the scarification on their face I'm going to get scarred up too I mean that's what everybody does we imitate our atmosphere to pay the government 25 cents to make a dime like what we were talking about earlier about laws about cops enforcing laws that are just essentially Revenue collecting laws they're not protecting anybody from anything there was two kids I barely teenagers you know they had the snow day out east you know with the blizzard a couple weeks ago right and so instead of
sitting around [ __ ] around at home because it wasn't nearly as bad as everyone thought it was going to be they decided instead of watching TV or playing video games or I don't know smoking the pot they said let's grab a couple shovels go door too and make five bucks and offer to to clean people's you know to uh uh driveways and the cops came cuz they got complaints the kids were knocking on doors or whatever I guess and stopped the they didn't have a proper permit they to be offer to be offering their services I did that throughout my childhood when I was a kid we would get psyched when it would snow now me and my friends would go around the neighborhood and we shovel and we'd make deals dud they shut down lemonade stands now for not having proper permitting and licenses that's ridiculous and that's that's the the the revenue collecting aspect that we were talking about they're not about with upholding the peace or protecting or serving New Jersey teens block from shoveling snow without permit [ __ ] that's all that is Jersey this is Jersey is a state where people can't even pump their own gas for crying out who does it say the cops name so we could say it on the air police chief Michael janon told my jersey central.com the two teens were not arrested or issued a ticket but would stopped because the town was in a so-called state of emergency in advance of the coming storm shut the [ __ ] up emergency you [ __ ] my central jersey.com it's emergency that's my homeage that's well you can't shovel snow because it's going to be more snow out yeah good good call [ __ ] asshol again listen but this is what we were talking about before these are the rules on the on the books that they're enforcing they're not making up these laws the cops the proper permit for shoveling there's a permit for helping people get out Boston or Jersey what whatever it is if you if you shovel someone for free is that okay oh it's just be exchange of money you know that's what it is you you could go around the neighborhood as a Good Samaritan shovel everybody out but the cops would have a problem with that if you're not giving the government like I said if you're not paying the Govern 2 to make a dime cuz how much are these
kids going to make that they could go out and spend I don't know $300 on a permit so that for one day on a snow day when they're not at school they can go around and make five bucks a driveway like it's insan I think cops should investigate really hot women that date these old decrepit old men that are barely alive and they they drive around rolls-royces and [ __ ] you should be like ho ho ho ho ho let's sit down sit down let's talk what what are you getting out of this you getting money you give you that rolls I want 25% of that rolls what that rolls is worth $250,000 pay up hooker why take 25% they could just use asset forfeiture and take the whole thing yeah that girl's a [ __ ] she should give up that money give up that [ __ ] car [ __ ] you know you don't love thing got to seize it like if you had like Anna Nicole Smith and her husband remember that dud yeah before he died both of them yeah both of them yeah right she's dead too is that crazy but like I mean that was one of the more clear examples of public prostitution you're ever going to see a billionaire Jay Howard Marshall and and a big Kentucky Fried hooker I mean that's that's what it was and you you have one that's profiting off of the other when you go to the uh the seminal Hard Rock in Hollywood Florida at the Improv you don't you don't stay in the Ana Nicole Suite there's an Ana Nicole Suite she died there oh that's there's ghosts there ghosts of fake titties there was a rumor by the way the the seminal would never confirm this but there was a there was a rumor that they actually sent like a a witch doctor like something in their to like to kind of you know G SP you know deep Poltergeist or whatever the room and then they like completely redid the room changed the number like that's the room no they would never comment on it or confirm that well her she was so dumb I bet her ghost would be too stupid to haunt anybody I bet her ghost would be like woo no boo got [ __ ] it I Quit ghost would just take naps her ghost just take naps and do pills imagine if you just you saw a ghost of like a fat chick eating pills on the couch like it's like such a non-threatening ghost especially like on seminal land it'd be like she would be like the least scary ghost in in like an Indian burial think
about that you're talking about Native Americans who not just persecuted but they were genocide was committed upon their people and as a a compensation they were given swats of land where they can open up casinos I mean it's mad I always say I said the Indian casinos are you the the the famous saying is The House Always Wins like the Indian casino is the only Casino where the house never wins cuz no matter how much money you lose we still rape their women and stole their country so it's like call it reparations like sit down at the one armed Bandit and lose some money for crying out loud like it's it's it's not but but what's interesting is that like now uh and this might be uh this might go to to to your earlier point that uh it's affluenza there's there are like no Native Americans that work at these casinos anymore they sit at home get the check every month from the the revenue and now they're hiring white boys to wrestle alligators like do all the like you know the the Indian cultural Native American rather cultural [ __ ] and there's no no Indians in an Indian casino anymore they're all just kind of living off the fat of the land and getting their checks and not incentivized to motivate or or or do anything and you see higher rates of alcoholism of drug abuse and and they're just sitting around you know getting checks and and and and and a and a and a lot of them are dying well that's always been an issue on Native American reservations right alcoholism absolutely depression drug abuse depression I mean their culture was stolen I mean it's like essentially they were wiped out except for a few survivors who were then forced to assimilate in this new strange culture and then made aware of it painfully every step of the way when you're growing up that you were you're the loser in this cultural genocide attack and this these are the people seals are unconquered they always remember they always well the seals actually do a lot of good things they they use that money in a lot of good ways and they they they support a a lot of Charities like that that tribe in Florida is responsible for a lot of good things and dude they bought one of the most American brands like talk about the ultimate [ __ ] you I mean like like we're we own the
Hard Rock like I thought that was I'm like what a great what a great thing that I love that club too I work at that club every time I'm down there I I prefer that club over the the bigger one in West Palm which I get more money at I like it's like a more intimate environment I go there and I sacrifice a little money and I have a better time sometimes my my girlfriend was doing a project for school a few month mons ago and it was about the appropriation of Native American culture and how it's one of the few races where it's still okay it's the whole Redskins phenomenon you know like how it's still okay to be racist and to create kind of like minstral esque images of them children dressing up redin how about the [ __ ] Redskins that's like having a team called the nword that's the equivalent but people don't look at it that way I just don't understand how they don't just change the name it's not a difficult thing and do it look if you want to honor Native Americans and somehow or another keep like that you could just change the name you know call it you you could call it whatever I mean there's people that call it the Warriors like the Golden State Warriors like there no one's have no I don't think if they do have an issue with that they're being silly CU that's an honorables I mean that's like you're you're you're being proud of what these people were at their finest or at their most noble and power people still get offended by the mascot though you know and and and I'm it's a real kind of like like white guilt moment animal rights activists that get offended by any mascots you know there's you're always going to have some people that are ridiculous but [ __ ] is a little weird man it's like I didn't really think about it that way but it's incredibly off yeah I saw yeah I saw it earlier yeah that's that's offensive you [ __ ] what good work Wild Thing good work Wild Thing yeah I I just like but I wasn't that was something I was completely I don't want to say I was insensitive to it I was just kind of unaware of it and then she starts doing this like P this whole PowerPoint on it and she starts going and getting like racist iconography through through the years particularly in the South and from you know we're in Miami and Florida and
like and I was like and she was kind of putting them she was doing side by-side comparisons to like classic you know pre- Civil Rights era racist advertising and uh uh you know and and posters and and imagery and art and then contemporary Native American depictions left and right and I'm like oh [ __ ] I was like yeah how can we not see that that's like that was that that that racist you know black you know the the the the the black cartoon face with the great big lips eating a watermelon that was okay once you could advertise your store or your product using that kind of [ __ ] yeah and then she's got the same exact reminiscent imagery but from like contemporary uh ads and Catal again kids dressed up as as Indians and with the F the war paint and the headdress and and and the kind of and and kind of pairing that to modern day uh uh uh Minstrel and I'm like that's fascin like I just never thought about it that way and then as a white man I started to feel all [ __ ] bad about it again and I'm like I'm the [ __ ] I never thought about this before and I'm an [ __ ] for never having consider but like Redskins is like out I'm saying it I'm actually going like oh [ __ ] should I be saying the r word like I'm actually now in that head space because of white guilt yeah it's it's definitely not necessary you know I mean look you could still have the same exact team with the same exact athletes the same exact pride and just let's get together and have a contest to come up with a new name and you would you would get people that would be so happy about that and the publicity from that contest alone and I'm I'm sorry like but we're going to keep it out of tradition and because our fans aren't offended by it's like we had slavery out of tradition for a while still have a a [ __ ] a black lady that looks like a a slave on the cover of their yes Jesus [ __ ] Christ how's that happening that's that's a thing well I an.com I think she's I think she's the woman who uh who actually created the the syrup an.com but she's a lovely yeah well she looks different yeah she's not all dressed like like the mamy like the maiden she used to be a mamy though oh yeah oh was like right out of antab bell himself South it was like a Gone With the Wind character absolutely yeah and and
uh yeah she she's a lovely she's a lovely working woman now well she has regular hair now too she used to have that bandana over her hair well she wouldn't get her dirty hair in the white man's food yeah this is what she used to look like man good Lord yeah God Mama used to look like a slave that's that's why they updated Wendy you know because the ginger protest movement was trying to get Wendy of Wendy's you know no I'm just but but but the red heads not the Red Skins but the red heads but that's what I'm wondering I'm wondering is like are we at what point is does it be are we veering into political correctness I think the Redskins thing is too going too far I really believe that you mean in a in a negative way that's yeah I don't think I don't think we're being overly sensitive is what I'm saying no I don't think so at all I think it's [ __ ] up I think if you were a Native American it would be a huge issu it would be very much like you know if you had the [ __ ] you know San Francisco guiney you know and yeah yeah the mascot was a [ __ ] Italian guy with a hairy chest and gold chains looking stupid with pasta stains on his shirt that would be Jersey that would be San Francisco well you know I'm just there's a lot of guine San Francisco believe it or not really is that a thing is there is there like a Little Italy is there like what they oh yeah yeah yeah there's a lot of Italian people in San Francisco go some [ __ ] amazing Italian food God damn on Columbus Aver of my life they're very good Chinese food but very good Italian food too San Francisco is really good there there's some Jam in Italian restaurants we eat at every time we work there I was complaining about have you ever driven in San Francisco it is treacherous dude is [ __ ] treacherous easy I grew up in Boston son oh yeah I grew up in Miami I grew up on Black we're at sea level we're at sea level there's no h you know the highest elevation in the state is Mount Trashmore it's a it's a landfill that is the highest elevation and appropriately uh when they did that movie Rock of Ages that was the they put the Hollywood sign on Mount that's where they redid we always say in Florida the only you can't really recreate is like mountains and snow but but they found a way to do it
on I don't know how high it is but that's the highest point of elevation in Florida I trash Mount Trashmore it's a landfill that they're yeah that they're just piling on but but I grew up when I went to San FR it was scariest thing in my I what we were actually doing Cocaine Cowboys 2 hustling with the Godmother in in uh in Oakland in Brookfield Village and I had to I had to drive the equipment truck back and return the equipment at the end of that shoot so I'm driving in this great big truck with like I don't know Untold thousands of dollars worth of equipment that I've got to return to this house and I was just petrified why cuz I was like I was like looking straight up hill the hills dude did you ever see Bullet with Steve McQueen of course I watched it again a couple we ago or a couple months ago uh I was uh on a trip in Canada and I was watching it with a friend who had never seen it before I was like dude you're in for a goddamn treat this is a real American movie and it's also a movie where there's very little dialogue it's a great movie Man Bullet with Steve McQueen's a great movie The 70s were like the last golden age of American Cinema [ __ ] got real it's when [ __ ] got real they were definitely different it was a completely different style of making a movie back then you didn't have to have music and everyy God damn scene you know you had some real moments to gritty gritty gritty gritty gritty and like and I think they were just coming out of of you know the 60s were that transition where in terms of censorship where you could start getting away you start pushing the envelope in the 60s by the 70s there was no envelope anymore in just mainstream Cinema you could do practically anything and they did and so you you you had and that wasn't just in terms of like uh sex and violence but in terms of the reality and the grittiness of the stories and the it [ __ ] became really Dirty Harry like those early Dirty Harry movies are like brutal they're brutal but they're dumb you know the difference between that and like bullet bullet is a brilliant movie it's like the people that are in it they're great actors it feels real you know like there's some dirty hairy moments where you're like go ahead make my day like come on [ __ ] out of here crazy [ __ ] you know it's like they're fun but you
know it's a fun movie to watch but it doesn't give you a feeling like you're actually watching something that could actually be taken place but it's brutal it is brutal it is just raw Death Wish too see the first one yeah Charles Bronson man yeah the first one not the fifth one so much well there's yeah those they they started selling out his face started getting fatter he started listen I again I made Cocaine Cowboys too Hustle the Godmother I can't compl I made the part we understand why Cocaine Cowboys 2o you keep apologizing for that me I'm not apologize okay so Cocaine Cowboys one you have no apologies right no I mean there's certainly things I do differently we got to do cocain Cowboys reloaded which was great you know with part two no there was nothing wrong with it um did someone force you to call it hustling with the Godmother is that I think that's like I think what happens you have a lot of temporary working titles that just stick like our first DOC we did this there's nothing wrong with it we did this doc called Raw Deal a question of consent and that was raw deal was just our our working title and was about the alleged rape of a stripper at the deltai fraternity house at the University of Florida in Gainesville in the spring of 99 and the entire night's events were captured on two video cameras W and so we used the video footage and then we interviewed the stripper and we interviewed some of the fraternity men so the the thing about the the footage is that um it was placed in the public record I was talking about these very liberal public record laws we have in in Florida so it was placed in the public record and it became like the cause CB in Gainesville Gainesville is a small town so there was used still live there did you really gainville I lived there when I was a little kid between the age of uh s and 11 I lived in Gainesville really County resident going to the University of Florida so I was down there I used to go to Lake Alice and feed the crocod Gators marshmallows before they made it wow yeah well they were in the Okala National Forest you might be familiar and they were doing a big brother little brother pledge event I didn't rush I'm not I was wasn't in the Greek world but good for you some ritual where there there's a bonfire I don't know what the hell is anything
that needs to be boycotted boycott that [ __ ] kids enough have be your own [ __ ] man quick Flash Forward we we we premiered at Sundance Film Festival and then later went to the Edinburgh Film Festival it's like the it's like the Sundance of Europe and like so we go to Edinburgh and all the questions which is kind of interesting because most of the questions in America were about this this controversy which I'll get into in a minute but all almost all the questions in Edinburgh were about what the hell the Greek system is they don't have it there so they were completely this was like a total was like a geod do for them they were like what is this G you know like what is fraternities and I'm like the least qualified person to be at you know to to be talking about that think when you go to when you go to the University of Miami which I did and I was a Miami guy like you don't need to for for the for social interaction you don't need a club like you might need to do in Gainesville or Tallahassee or these college towns these insulated college towns where you know the social environment is very kind of restricted in Miami like hazing and all the [ __ ] [ __ ] all that it's creepy so they're hazing these kids or whatever this ritual the Big Brother little brother pledge ritual out in the forest they go back to the to the to the fraternity house to the common area and they have two strippers that they hired to come and perform one of the strippers leaves after the show one of the strippers goes back to for a private party with some of the fraternity men uh come the dawn she goes running to a neighboring fraternity house her grand uh grandmother was actually a house Mom of one of the she thought this was the house that her mother her grandmother worked at it wasn't but she's wearing nothing but a t-shirt that belonged to one of the fraternity men coming up to about her belly button and banging on the door of this neighboring house saying that she had been raped and she told the University Police Department that they had videotaped it and they go and get the videotape footage and spoiler alert watch one of the two videotapes and arrest the stripper for filing a false police report based on the videotape footage and as a result of that one of the two vide tap one of the
two video what about the second video they didn't care the second video show actual rape the second video tape as it turns out was just coverage of it like a cam bcam so the second video tape doesn't show that much more it just shows alternate angles of the same action rather than but so so what happens is there's now a misdemeanor filing a false police report case against this woman and as a result the media says well we want to see the this is evidence in a criminal case her lawyer argues that under rape shield laws that her identity should be protected and her uh and this videotape footage should be protected because it depicts rape a judge viewed the footage and says this ain't no rape and they release the footage to the public and there and there becomes there's a backlog at the state attorney's office and the clerk of courts there because there's like a they're like making copies of the videotape and sending it to people so in Gainesville if you were the first person on your block to get the tape what they call the rape tape you'd have a keger people would invite friends over to their house and they to cuz you were the first person to get it and everybody wanted to see it so what happens is like uh uh growing up in Miami you got friends of course who go to Gainesville go to Tallahasse you know go to the two major State schools of course only in Florida do our two Flagship State schools where they both uh uh targets of major serial killers Ted Bundy and tasse and Danny Rawling in in University of Florida only in Florida um and so we hear from a friend so I'll never forget this as long as I live we hear from one of our friends and we grew up same neighborhood I say that same upbringing white middle class Jewish kids I say that to say we had similar kind of life experiences and come come at things with a not dissimilar world view so they said did you hear this is like summer of 99 by now they're like did you hear about this case with Delta Kai the stripper and the video tip I said yeah yeah I read about it and and they're like I just saw the videotape at a friend's house I was like well what happened and and my friend's like he's like it was disgusting what they do to this poor woman like I haven't been able to eat or sleep for days it's horrible
what they put her through how they talk to her how they put her down how they hold her down she's try kicking and trying to get away and I can't believe they haven't arrested these guys and it's just I'm just completely distraught over it and then days later I hear from another buddy again we all grew up together same story same gr he I said what I he said you hear about the video I of course you I just heard yeah he's like this lying [ __ ] oh no I why she's screwing around with all these guys and then she cries rape they should lock her up and throw away the key and I'm like what on Earth you have two did you see the tape before this no not before this i' only heard about it from these guys and I'm like two reasonable educated similar demo guys watch the same footage and diametrically disagree about whether or not they witnessed a consensual or non-consensual sex act and I'm like we got to see this footage and so in a sense it's analogous this Trayvon Martin thing in a sort of a way but you can you you actually have a video but you have the predisposed the Duke lacrosse case the Duke lacrosse case which they never it turns out they never touched the girl a lot of the guys were alibied one guy was at an ATM machine making a withdrawal while the woman claims that he was raping her um but here you had sexual intera unquestionably undeniably here was videotape footage of the sexual interaction what's your take on what actually happened you got to see the movie I hate I know I hate to say that I'm going to send it to you we don't have much time left you don't have to worry about you just tell me because you have to tell me like what do you think you have what I think is is that you have one of the most of committed least reported crimes in like the history of man and most of these crimes as they say are not like the masked man in the bushes stranger rape makes up the minority of rape it's mostly acquaintance or dat it's mostly acquaintance or date rape what I think though is that you have a world where we expect videotape footage to tell an objective truth to say here's the surveillance video there's the guy robbing the store let's go find him case closed when you have a crime like this that exists predominantly in the minds of the
alleged victim and alleged perpetrator it's almost impossible to determine because not all you know what what what what she claims is like this wasn't a a Hollywood rape this wasn't me kicking and screaming and crying going no no no no no no no she was a professional stripper she had been most of her life okay and she comes from a world where we spoke to a Rape Crisis counselor who who who whose office was near strip like close to a lot of strip clubs in Florida and he got found a lot of professional girls so to speak who would come in and they're always trying try to maintain a line you know this is what these are you know ever got a lap dance like here are the rules I can touch you you can and then over the course of the thing depending on how much money you spent the the lines get blurred you can you know there's certain things there's certain compromises that that are made and so what happens here is that over the course of a long night she had danced at like three or four play this was like her third or fourth show last one of the night she um she parted with the guy she was drinking uh they were drinking um they might have even been rolling uh there's a lot of that line gets seriously blurred okay and at what point can you you know at any point if a woman doesn't want if there were I I I pull the audience and this is really interesting too because I would call it the Worst Date movie of all time I pull the audience we always assume that like the women would side with her and the men would side with the men very often it's the exact opposite of that and the men are more inclined to believe her and the women are more inclined to believe the men because they don't want to they don't want to the behavior from both parties is pretty reprehensible depending on your morals and values for some people it's a Tuesday night but for others it's like this is appalling I don't want to associate my gender Behavior with that behavior and so not to say she deserved it or anything but like people really want to dismiss it's inter I talked to Roy black I know the famous defense attorney one of his most famous clients was William Kennedy Smith the famous rape trial in Palm Beach at the Kennedy Compound and uh Roy black going in um the kennedies were like well we need Kennedy Democrats
on this jury obviously and the jury consultant came in and said no what you need is middle-age or older white Republican women because their values they're going to look at this this woman goes out with this man drinking and dining they go she goes back to his place at whatever ungodly hour of the night and what does she expect will happen that's much more the mentality of not Kennedy Democrats but they wound up going with that jury not only did he get acquitted but Roy Black married the jury the jury for woman is Leia black if you're familiar with the The Real Housewives of my I'm sure you're an Avage the real yeah I know um The Real Housewives of Miami if you took if you took one if you took one part of each of the housewives you might be able to build one real one I I think but like that's but that's anyway that that's so we the men and women diametrically like are sort of opposed and then you have a situation where I pull the audience and I'll say how many of you believe she was raped how many of you believe she wasn't raped how many of you believe that some sexual activity occurred that she didn't consent to that she didn't want to happen most people raise their hands I'm like well that under the law is right but how do you find a jury of 12 people that is that is going to convict based on her be this is what what's social justice Warrior websites they were they were judging they were judging her behavior and I'll tell you something I read this in this case I'm with them well I I'm I'm reading the police report which was like a 70 page police report on a misdemeanor filing a false police the police report against her the case against the woman for filing a false police report and the woman who wrote it the detective um I I thought it revealed more about her than than anybody else but she there's there's one phrase I'll never forget in all of these Pages she writes um uh the woman uh went to dance at all of these houses uh uh leaving her two children who are black at home with a babysitter with her mother or something like that and I was like who are just those three words and I was like like who she had been married her ex-husband was a black man they had two children together and I was like what how in the world you lived in alach
County I don't know if that means something to people there but I I was like how does how how is that have any who are ex said her children who are black who left polish like yeah her children who are Russian her children who are like I've never seen I'm like what are we trying what are we what's the implication or what's the relevance of this in in a in a criminal proceeding but I will put it you this way the people I over the course of working on the movie I changed my mind several times over the course of watching the movie and as you live life and get more life experience because people come to this movie with their own baggage I've seen I've had q&as where women get up to the microphone and say I've never said this before I was the victim of a rape on campus and start talk it's a very it can be a very cathartic experience it can be a very disturbing there are people who can't even watch it very common I mean but it's also Comm false rape claims are also very common they're not not common FAL rape claims happen all the time they're not common what do you what do you mean by not common they're they're they're they're a they're a minority of of rape claims I agree with that however still common yes and extraordinarily damaging to everybody involved but common no I don't what do you mean by not common well I I think rape what percentage is not common if they happen every day and they do is that not common I think you're I I think you're talk yes it's common but you're talking about single digits I think no no no no no I'm not talking about majority I'm not talking about that I'm talking about they occur regularly and which is common right yes they occur regularly and that must be T if you're going to look at it completely objectively yes you are well you're you know you're being sensitive to the victims which is very important but if you look at it objectively and just strictly as a a numerical issue I mean I I believe the number is like 8% I think that's the statistically proven number as far as like investigated claims of rate I think it's lower but it's single digits you're right sing sing yes I think it's single it probably varies and then there's also the the the reality that a lot of rapes go
unreported because women are ashamed of what happened and they would rather just ignore it because they're going to be accused of false reporting and their entire past and sexual experience is going to be brought to bear and yeah there's a lot and there's also you also have to take into consideration a lot of false rape claims the guys get convicted and it's never proven it's a false rape claim that's a fact I've had that happen to a friend I know that it works both ways human beings are we vary you know there's people that are full of [ __ ] and there are men and there's people that are full of [ __ ] that are women so there's there's always going to be that possibility that it's a false rap which gender has the greatest percentage of people full of [ __ ] no I'm just [ __ ] I think it's across the board probably probably 50% across the board you know what you think I I just I was just [ __ ] with you maybe men because men well no because men try harder to [ __ ] women so maybe we have to be because women pursued we have to be more full of [ __ ] I think that's more possible I don't know that's a good question that's a good documentary subject what what gender is more full of [ __ ] it's a great title yeah it's a great title what gender is more full of [ __ ] that's a it's not a bad idea I I think you're right I think that we're going to find it's pretty it's pretty close yeah it's pretty close but you know the the rape thing as far as like you know what I think there's way more rape than there is falsely accused Vic you know false false rape claims yeah well and and and and then the spirit of of justice and the spirit of you know let let 10 mil let 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man spend you know a moment being deprived of of of his Liberty I mean I I I understand that and I got to say no matter how low the rate is 2% according to Wikipedia no matter how low that is the 2% of of men that that the false claims occur to it's pretty [ __ ] important to them I can imagine oh yeah but but in those cases doesn't matter if it's one1 to 1% if it's you and in those in the vast majority of those cases I believe it it has to do with some sort of like you know mental deficiency on the part of the woman it has to do with uh some sort of Revenge kind of scenario you know the motive is
like really personal and really obvious um and can usually be quickly proven but as soon as you are accused some there's some cases where you're right it can't it's strictly a he said she said and you could find yourself uh in a lot of trouble and that's obviously not okay I think the problem is you cannot be we we have a society that I think unfortunately discourages women from reporting from coming forward and I I think that that's a serious problem cuz in in crimes like this a lot of the people who commit them continue to commit them the rate of recidivism I think is is such that if they're not being reported you're going to see more victims unfortunately well there's there's also without a doubt there's people that for whatever reason they don't look at other people as being equal to them you know and that that is what allows someone to rape someone that's what happens in this video she is a local girl she goes to Santa Fe Community College as opposed to like you know the flagship state school that like the the quote Rich out of town kids you know uh uh go to and they treat her like you know the way they speak to her the way they speak to her and and it's a similar phenomenon in in in the Duke lacrosse case is that that woman was black but here this woman who was white in in this in this Raw Deal case but had black children it's I think what's what's the famous line from from bullworth um uh white people have more in common with black people than they do with rich people meaning the division is not so much black and white that's kind of a that's a flashy object to divide us and and poor and affluent absolutely it's the Haves and the Have Nots and the poor people get treated like [ __ ] no matter what color well also people in that position people that are strippers you know because it's s looked down upon as like a seedy career choice of losers right you know so you're allowed to treat her like [ __ ] and then she's in a fraternity which is not even a proteced environment like an actual strip club and you're dealing with people that are drunk and their judgments all [ __ ] up because of that and then you know who knows plus you're dealing with developing minds and 18-year-old kids that are drunk they really shouldn't be
drunk they don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing and on top of that they've probably been raised by [ __ ] you know I mean there's a good percentage of people are [ __ ] and these kids drunk in some [ __ ] thing feeding off of each other gang mentality which is pressure of that situation mentality [ __ ] terrifying man gang mentality that you see in riots you know gang mentality that you see in behavior that you would never see gang you're willing to alter your behavior to the point of criminality because of the in outside influence of everybody else doing it it's that's like a psychosis that's a CRA like what's going on in the brain it speaks to our weird uh the the way that human beings imitate our atmospheres which is like a big part of what we were talking about earlier about culture you get stuck in certain cultures and cultures where violence is accepted and violence like if you live in the Congo you know and you're you're in a tribe and you you're there's a warlord you know and you're you're seeing people shot and killed all the time they 475 yeah I mean it's just that's that's their environment I have to ask you this I me because I mean you've talked about it a zillion times but like America's gun culture that's what everybody says America's propensity towards violence and proliferation of violence and you don't see this other country because you don't see the quantity of of Guns Guns yeah well it's an issue um and the celebration of violence of course in our media and our art and entertainment Etc that's an issue too the celebration in video games celebration in all those things are unquestionably influences however if you look at the the the ual numbers of people that have guns which is [ __ ] staggering and the actual crimes committed by those guns it's very small which is undeniable and that's something that people don't like to bring up when they bring up a new town Massacre or something where you have massacres I believe those are issues of mental health without a doubt and I think absolutely you know I wrote that this country has a mental health problem disguises a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguises a security problem and I think that that's this a real reality when it comes to guns and Shooters and mental issues and also the
number of people that are involved in mass shootings that are on psychoactive drugs antis psychotics antidepression they taking poison is what they're doing who knows but correlation does not equal causation right so you don't know if those people are crazy already and they're giving them drugs to try to treat them and maybe they would be better off maybe it's getting off those drugs which is often the case the the the um um coming down off those drugs withdrawal effects the withdrawal that causes these people to go crazy there's a lot of issues but you can't deny that it's too [ __ ] easy to get a gun you know you need a driver's license to get a [ __ ] car all you need to do is not be a criminal to get a gun I mean I I bought a gun before I knew anything about guns I didn't know how to use them at all they just let me have a [ __ ] pistol and I I remember think per have a hot dog stand for you have to have the permit to shovel snow in Jersey I'm a I'm a nice person so I'm not going to go out and shoot people but I found it incredibly disturbing that they didn't all they needed to know that I didn't wasn't a criminal I didn't commit any violent crimes and that's it that's all they needed to know and truth be told if you were a criminal and went on the street to get it it would be even easier than you walked into it because they don't want your driver's license if you're buying it on the street especially in in this country at this point the numbers this the sheer num it's like I've heard it described like trying to get guns out of America is like trying to take salt out of the ocean it's like Jesus Christ like you're going to get all the salt out of the ocean there's more Americans with or there's more guns rather than there are Americans in in in America there's more guns than there are people that's [ __ ] crazy there's more than 350 million guns in this country that is hard to wrap your head around you know I but well I got two hands but this the amount most of have I have more guns than I am people so I'm part of the problem but I'm not shooting anybody you're above average I I only have a I only have a couple so I just don't think that um that that I I don't think that the issue is necessarily that there's a lot of guns the is the issue to me is we
we most certainly need a better education program when it comes to the ability to acquire a gun the the the fact that you have to go through this you know difficult taxing process to get a car but I think people are afraid that like you know like they say that owning a car is a privilege owning a gun is a right it's a right that's in the bill you know I mean that's all it's in the Bill of Rights it's the Second Amendment of the Constitution it says the right to bear arms there's there's people that are legitimately worried for good reason that a lot of people have this knee-jerk reaction when any sort of violent crime goes down to take all the guns away from the people I don't think that I don't know maybe having to take a shooting course is an impediment to your exercising of that right my family I got family in Delaware and they grew up in gun culture in a hunting culture and and they're some of the most responsible coolest best you know they because it guns have been completely demystified uh for them they're not afraid they know how to properly uh use them and they're the least threatening most coolest most unassuming people that you could possibly but they're cool with any type of weapon that you that you know basically that you put in front not just uh guns but knives that they use for hunting and and I was just like what if we all grew up like wouldn't it just be I think we'd all be nicer to each other too like we'd all be aware of sort of the power that we possess from the you know we're not just these sort of like TV gangsters or whatever you know we'd all just we'd all be a little bit more cognizant of the fact that we have this if we choose to have the power of life and death over somebody but they also have it over us let's Live and Let Live right that expression that a well-armed society is a polite society and and often times that is true but the aberration the person who is not polite and decides to take out the fact that they have do do you remember that instance in North Hollywood years back when those guys got they put on bulletproof vests and had all these crazy guns and Rob yeah that heat was inspired by [ __ ] crazy crazy scene I was doing News Radio at the time and we all went into the breakroom and we're all watching it on this television and
we were all just like freaking the [ __ ] out like this is real this isn't a movie We're watching a shootout between the cops and these insane people with massive Firepower and that those types of scenarios although incredibly rare are really legitimately frightening to people for a good reason that's what happened in in in Miami you remember the war wagon at the Dand mall shooting in the July of 79 that we opened Cocaine Cowboys with cops show up at this scene they have guns on the ground uh n Canon the the reporter said they called them the the Dixie cup generation they would shoot a gun till it was empty and then just drop it on the floor and pull out another gun and shoot that and there were Mac 11s and there were uh handguns and pistols and automatic pistols and they were just and they and there was shell casings for every single gun on the ground they left the guns on the ground and then they took off on foot and they abandoned this war wagon which was this converted Ford conol line van that had stenciled on the side Happy Time party supply and a phone number and then the other side it said happy Supply time and a different phone number on the other side not really good with the you know the Incognito thing here and in the back they had flak jackets that they had put that they had kind of like wallpapered it with so that it would be they'd like have reinforced bulletproof armor and more gun of every shotguns and machine gun so it's like the punishers war wagon the cops show up with their six shooters by the way cuz that's what they were carrying in Miami in 1979 and they flipped the [ __ ] out and there was a every time someone saw 40 cono line van like on the streets people were calling 911 the cops wouldn't show like they didn't know what the hell to do cuz they knew that the fear was you're going to pull one of these over the back's going to open up and they're just going to empty empty on you and before you can even grab your pop pop pop gun you know and and that was when they started to to to put together the sentac 26 the four there you go there's the back of it right there and and um they put together this uh centac was a Central Central Tactical Unit that was made up of multiple local and and and federal agencies that would work together the the history of which traces back to The
Untouchables because that was like we're going to combine you know take the best of the local guys and the best of the federal guys and put them together towards a kind of common very specific goal oriented Mission and end and so you had these guys who got together cuz originally they were called the uh it's in reloaded um uh the special homicide investigative team or as they call themselves the [ __ ] Squad special homicide investigative team and they had to deal with all the wos that were turning up because they get a they get in oh got uh unidentified Hispanic male automatic bullet fire is it 25% of the bodies in the morg in that time in Miami had automatic wounds from automatic weapons I had a friend who was uh doing his residency he's a doctor and he did his residency in Miami dude that was the best place to do it oh my God he told me some [ __ ] and showed me some [ __ ] when we were growing up you know I was he's older than me and uh when he was uh showing us these images that he had saved from like guys with light bulbs up their asses and B if you in the trauma industry the medical business the law enforcement business the homicide business the journalism business like Miami was the place to be was CRA the the one I know a guy who was a who was a uh trauma doctor at Jackson Memorial Hospital in the in the that's our that's our one you know major Trauma Center where you know all the bullet you you get airlifted to Jackson that's where you go so he was working one night and this was after the Marielle Boat Lift I think Scarface like you had all of these hardened criminals the the the rejected from Cuba the rate of rape on Miami Beach quadrupled in months I mean they were raping little old Jewish ladies Holocaust Survivors who made it out of Germany but could not survive the marial boat lift in Miami and they all went to Miami Beach cuz it was a slum and because you had the it reminded them of Havana it looked like Cuba Miami Beach like ocean like the seaw wall and everything it looks like Cuba so um and and they would just kill you for nothing they'd be like I like your bicycle give me your bicycle no boom and just and like for and then leave the bike too like it like just crazy homicidal lunatics um and uh they uh one guy one day a Mariel Mariel Leo comes in with a
gunshot wound and the doctor says to him you knew Spanish he said he said you're very lucky man had the bullet struck you a centimeter or so over here you would have bled out and died on the scene in in minutes if not seconds um the guy gets discharged leaves the hospital uh within days he gets another Mariel gunshot victim with a wound in exactly the same spot he told the other guy about and that guy died and his belief always was he never could prove it but that the guy he had told basically where to shoot the other guy that this was a retribution shooting for the other guy who had been shot but like that was just part for the course in in Miami the girl who cuts my hair a lady who cuts my hair she you know how you you get your hair cut you you say goodbye you put the tip in the in the pocket so she go would go home at night in the 80s and she'd turn her Pockets inside out to get all the folded bills and this and that one day she found finds a little baggie with white powder in it that one of the ladies just say kissed her goodbye and slipped it in her pocket as a tip and and she she she said I was so naive I said to my friend what the hell is this and she said what it is is worth more than the that you would have that you would have gotten uh from the same ladies wow that's ridiculous that's uh that's our Amy that's our Amy keep it you can keep that place I visit you're Los you're you're Los Angeles you can have it I visit and I get the [ __ ] out soon as I can Billy thank you very much man it's a lot of fun I really enjoyed it any and the documentary dog fighting D AWG comes outcom coming March 12th March 12th and Cocaine Cowboys 1 and two don't listen to him two is good it's it's very good don't apologize excellent It's one one of the best documentaries ever that captures The Madness of of of cocaine really I mean and and and violence and the the drug war I mean it's just an amazing documentary thank you very much Billy Corbin ladies and gentlemen we'll see you next week good night everybody much love [Music]