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three two one boom what's up brother hello my friend always thanks for having a wild man yeah we've both been busy it's crazy and in the meantime we became legal yes you guys were at the forefront man you guys were way ahead you were ahead of everybody you know we took a shot we took a shot you know as stoners and advocates and whatnot you know we were stoners at first right you know that's how you start like you know your friend says hey man try this or you're the one who says try this right it's one or the other and you know eventually you start getting into the high times magazines and stuff like that and looking at the you know the centerful pictures of the weed but also we like we like to read too so you know we'd get into some of the activism aspect of it as well and that's when we heard names like jack herrera who pretty much opened our eyes to everything and then you know i think we became real advocates you know at first you know we thought we were yeah you know sort of we read the high times magazines that we were stoners so we thought we were advocates but like in reading what other freedom fighters were actually doing out there and protests and rallies and all that stuff you know we we really weren't advocates like we thought we became that later for sure yeah jack was way way way ahead of the curve he's such an interesting story uh rest in peace because he was uh a goldwater republican you know he was just a button-down old-school republican yeah and then he got a girlfriend and then his girlfriend got him smoking weed yeah and then also he's like man this is [ __ ] amazing god why am i such a dick what's wrong with me who am i what am i doing my life absolutely it totally flipped his life around yeah the emperor wears no clothes is a [ __ ] great book man yeah it holds it holds strong to this day because everything that he said in the book is sort of happening right now all the stuff that they you know they they uh tried to prevent from happening through all the anti-cannabis propaganda yeah you you see it now and now you see those very
companies trying to get into the industry yeah they were always on the outside like waiting you know there was like at the launching block not quite ready to run but any minute now it's going to get legal yeah exactly i mean you know they're they're lying in weight with fields like acreage that no one can ever come close to probably right yeah i mean the the thing i heard maybe like five years ago before it was legal in denver or a bit longer than that before we got legalization here um that you know companies like philip morris and and you know companies like that were already buying land in already um trademarking names yeah you know for some of the cannabis that we know today so that when they come into the game you know they have ownership on some of the names and some of the brands and and in trademarks and stuff like that to that and obviously the acreage to you know grow vast sums of cannabis yeah you know who knows how true that is but i don't doubt some of that i don't doubt either the sneakiest [ __ ] was ohio ohio was they were trying to make it legal but if they were gonna make it legal there's only like it was like two companies that were jamie's from ohio i think like four but i i think that is how it went through yeah they were the only ones going to be allowed to grow it and sell it like yeah [ __ ] you monopoly that is not legal weed that is you being a [ __ ] that's monopoly yeah and it's crazy you know yeah because you know you had like people that got those uh licenses or permits or whatever that had no knowledge on on on the cannabis culture or or business how to cultivate and and how to run retail stores or any of that they didn't have any of that knowledge and you know they'll usually give it to an insider because they know how much money they stand to make that's like if there was just one distribution center right and everybody has to go through that distribution center how much money does that distribution center make because you got to pay for
your [ __ ] to go there and then you know who knows if it well you know if it passes because you know as a cultivator what you did so you'll know it'll pass because it's clean but you still got to pay that fee every time and it's got to go through them fortunately here in california you know they've allowed people to have distribution licenses so that there's not one distribution center because that would be a monopoly for sure and that's what they wanted to supposedly you know the lobbyists that that put 64 together were trying to stop it from being a monopoly in uh corporations coming in and taking over and stuff like that you know so interesting because pot is such a non-corporate drug you know it's such a non-corporate thing that these corporations were trying to get a a grip on weed it just it seemed it seemed obscene you know it seemed it seemed disgusting yeah it's it's a little out of place you know a lot of place right you know because you you think about where it comes from and it's been outlawed for so long it's kind of like you know the way out alcohol was for for so long but longer than out but it's been demonized longer yes yeah and now you know you have people trying to come in and throw money into it and and they got you know and some of these guys don't realize it's it's not just about the money into it you got to do the diligence on what this business is you can't cut corners on the cultivation you know you can't cut corners on quality because people you know they're they're um there's more information out there yeah you know so people know you even if they're not a connoisseur as a consumer you know they can they can read about [ __ ] they can learn about stuff so if you're getting over on them or if you're putting some [ __ ] quality product out there i mean people are gonna know and and all that money that these guys put into to trying to get into the cannabis business they're just throwing it into the fire yeah some of them will come out of it you know they'll partner up with brands that exist and and people that have
knowledge but you know it's it's the corporations that come in in the next five years it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting because i do think that it's set up for them to come in the taxes are so high right now for the consumer and for the cultivator and for the retail shop that you gotta survive this wash right now that's happening in order to still be you know doing business when the corporate structure comes in because please believe they're gonna lobby so that those taxes come down because the margins are not right you know as 40 taxes is that what it is now it was 39 in denver right yeah but in here in california it's you know 40 percent but to the consumer the consumer is like who gives a [ __ ] you know if i could just pull in and get some weed right they should give a [ __ ] because they should but in comparison to alcohol like how much it costs if you go out for a night for some drinks that costs way more you get high for a month on what it takes to get pretty much a few drinks in a night depending where you go those [ __ ] drinks are even double yeah yeah yeah and with less alcohol well the other thing is that these companies they don't understand the culture it's a different culture you can't [ __ ] us like you can't [ __ ] us with marketing and advertising that [ __ ] is not going to work you can't have like the most interesting man in the world selling weed stay stay thirsty my friends like that no that ain't gonna work you gotta get somebody like michael phelps yeah i would buy weed from michael phelps how funny was that that he got in trouble for that you know what i find it funny is how how um you know they put these uh stereotypes on stoners for so long like that we're lazy and productive and all that stuff this guy's one of the most decorated olympians in the history you know what i mean what is he got like 15 gold [ __ ] preposterous yeah mr big lungs that's
what we call them mr big lungs i probably could take a rip on a bong think about it oh my god mean [ __ ] right here probably crazy capacity there it is probably snap a two gram bowl this who is the person who ratted him out some low some kid yeah little [ __ ] what a piece of [ __ ] yeah imagine is going to a party trying to have a good time some kids there with his phone that's social network for you though they want to go viral so they'll get you in that moment where you know you're supposed to be a friend but that was like before a lot of that [ __ ] was happening like what year was that let's guess what gear was that 12 2012 well before yeah before uh let's just say before you know uh instagram kicked off but there was still youtube and twitter yeah you know if you wanted to put somebody on blast or you wanted to have a viral video youtube has been there for a long time yeah twitter was like 2007 right wasn't that i believe so yeah yeah i think when was michael when was michael phelps when did he get in trouble i'm looking it's i i'm seeing different stuff so i saw a picture of it on youtube from 2009 so that means it would have been in 2008 olympics but oh that seems that makes sense like it was a long time ago yeah that makes sense though because then he came back right yeah he retired and he came back well i think he was suspended i think he was suspended 2009 is when he got caught and then uh and then he had to you know do the suspension and he came back and got some more medals like ha ha [ __ ] you right i love that was he suspended because of the weed yeah well you know hey listen on on in a lot of places it's still on a banned substance list oh yeah texas texas is real bad february 2000 well 2009. he was only 23. apologizing an incident where he's caught on camera to party smoking a bomb that was allegedly marijuana he should you know he shouldn't have apologized for that he shouldn't have had to have apologized for that thing is that they have those guys bent over a box because they're all just trying to
get that sponsorship money right because yeah you have to be squeaky clean if you want to be on the wheaties box yeah if you're an olympian yeah they're not going to put cyprus hill in the wheaties box just yet wouldn't that be great though but take the th out and add an e and put a d and i e s at the end let's go wheaties yeah i don't know man you guys were so far ahead of the curve though you know i mean you you were you had weed songs like when like what year that was uh the the first album was in 91 and we started writing for that album probably uh four years prior wow and you know the weed songs those came about because we were weed heads you know we just [ __ ] it let's be ourselves right it's a different thing though for people that were were fans because uh i when i was listening to you i was uh just getting ready to move from boston to new york and uh back then you would hear about new hip-hop bands from like friends yeah like you did like yeah for sure i would hear about it like somebody that i i think somebody i worked out with had it and i was like what the [ __ ] is this and then like that's cypress hill it's like damn yeah we're trying to be different you know um not sound like a typical west coast you know group right because a lot of a lot of west coast groups at that point you know what the labels were looking for were nwa you know types and you know things like that like either you know gangster west coast gangster rap they were looking for that or either the the kid frost chicano type yeah and we didn't want to do that we didn't want to uh foothold ourselves like that you know mugs being from new york he wanted to sort of blend both worlds right so you know we went with with the east coast type sound with la you know type of slang mixed with with east coast slang and so people you know they were like where the [ __ ] are these guys from and people thought we were from cypress hill new york because there's a cypress hill
down there and uh you know people just didn't really know at first because we were one of the first groups that didn't put our images on any of our first um you know any of our singles or or our art covers we never did like the the shots like you know that that were existing at that time where it's a clean shot of the group or the artist or whatever we were always on some you know because we were metal heads too you know before the hip-hop we like the obscure metal album so we didn't we were like we're not going to put ourselves on the covers we're just going to do these crazy obscure covers and make people you know try to guess who we are be mysterious damn we talk about longevity i mean you guys you guys have been around a long [ __ ] time and you're crazy dropped off at all it's crazy you know um we we didn't expect it we didn't know how long our run would be we just kept working you know we always had a strong work ethic we were never the types just to sit around we're always doing something you know mugs is always making beats um you know i'm always writing to something i'm always into one project or another so it's it was always just about keeping busy and that that uh suited us well it's crazy 28 years later still banging it it's crazy what'd you say 28 years 28 years later from your first album man and again you guys never dropped off for a second not once you were always there you have to be consistent in hip-hop you know in music in general especially like if if there's a time where radio stops playing your music or you know as mtv stopped playing music videos and they went for more um reality show type programming you got you got to stick out there so for us it was you know constantly doing shows we didn't put out as many albums as we could have but we thought less was more you know instead of like driving the music into your heart like a steak or something like that would just you know let everything breathe for a while and there was there was a time where you know we sort of let go of doing everything it was like a six year
period where we just kind of took off we we didn't we weren't away completely we're still doing like sporadic shows here and there to keep up the profile but we weren't like touring and working on music i was off [ __ ] around uh competing in paintball tournaments yeah you get into paintball oh man uh yeah i had a team called stoned assassins and it was competitive paintball at the time i was you know training uh martial arts as i've done throughout my life and uh i was also playing competitive paintball what kind of martial arts are we doing shotokan i started off with taekwondo and i got sort of i mean it's it's like it was uh it was the dojo was cool you know and and i was progressing quickly but i sort of fell out with the master there with the sifu or whatever i can't remember yeah and uh one of my partners who i grew up with who was one of my partners in our dr green thumb um brand and whatever his father um was a was a you know sensei and his sensei and became my sensei i went from taekwondo to shotokan and i started training with him i mean he had been in the dojo since he was five years old training with his father so you know i came into that it took it took a little bit of uh convincing for me to go from one thing to another because it's such a different style but you know i adapted to it and i liked it and it was um very different less flash but uh is very disciplined and his father you know he was you know born in japan raised out there and he you know their their [ __ ] is kind of different they go to to to um martial arts universities and they get degrees in different martial arts so they can go and take like okay hopkido and jiu jitsu and shotokan and all this and you know get their their degrees you know they work their way up in the belt system and all that stuff but they become teachers through through that university i guess it's fascinating and uh yeah his his father
was one of the guys in one of the federations that uh he's one of the three or four senseis that have to come in and give you the black belt when you actually get it ah yeah it uh what was it uh s k f a or something like i got it you know karate federation yeah something like that yeah so you could imagine when leota machida came on the scene you know we were like yeah someone representing the style that you know we were training under anything yeah a lot of people got excited when he came about he was really the first guy to legitimize karate in the modern era of mixed martial arts you showed like if you could do all those other things if you could stuff takedowns and you you knew submissions and all those things on top of that you could live yeah you could and you could do it in a weird way that people didn't really understand his timing yeah you know wonderboy thompson's similar to that too it's got a weird timing weird timing it's you know and then the faints with the hips he was good with that [ __ ] like you know he would throw people off with that and you know we i just happened to go see his fight against rashad evans oh [ __ ] and uh man i mean it surprised all of us i mean we thought he would win but we didn't know he would win in that fashion i mean yeah he was something special yeah you know i mean and he's doing he's over at bellator now right with his brother his brother chinzo's been over there for a while his brother i think his brother's a bantamweight or featherweight one of those but um yeah that the i think it's good to go from taekwondo to other styles because taekwondo gives you a lot of dexterity you want to move your legs easily yes absolutely it's a good foundation yeah it's a good way to start off it's good for little kids too sure that doesn't you know there's not a lot of head contact there's no coordination yeah yeah and then when you learn if you learn if you really actually want to fight you want to learn muay thai and all those other things you have way quicker legs yeah they just move better yeah yeah for me you know i
i was never good with all those flashy kicks like that so you know a big dude yeah it was harder for me taekwondo like the shotokan was definitely hard but it was more suited for someone it's a hard style shotokan's a hard style it is style and he you know he when he was training us he would not like let up because he'd oh be real here let me go light on him nah everything i did like you know that that i did outside of music when i tried like for instance paintball when it went into paintball there was a price on my head every game everybody wanted to give me extra shots of course so like if i got hit while i'm walking out i would get 10 20 extra paintballs to my back oh you know and we'd give it right back to them you know in the very next game when we played them guys again we were making sure to give them that right back you got deep into this oh yeah it was man it's addicting man i got to tell you um if there's any physical activity that is addicting it is paintball because it's chest with guns yeah because it's so fast and so close and you got to think of a strategy you know it's not all shooting straightway it's all shooting angles and getting your guys to positions to get those guys out to keep moving up to get their flag wipe them out and bring the flag back now are there restrictions on power like the power of the guns yeah yeah um i believe you can't shoot above 300 psi i think it's i think it's uh the the highest you can shoot is maybe 285 290 at least at the time if you go balls out if you wanted to get the ultimate paintball gun what is that oh man it's it's it's hard because we were using different guns at the time because it's it's like each year a better gun comes out the technology gets better so you know we were using it first when we started these these guns called angels and then we went over into uh these other guns [ __ ] i can't remember the name of them but they were light i mean the best thing is to have a light gun with with the trigger that you can fan see because that's the technique to get it to shoot like a like a uzi right you're not supposed to be able to pull the trigger
and multiple balls come out with one pull it's supposed to be that the the gun shoots as fast as your your your two fingers or three can toggle so if you get a rhythm you could shoot that thing like a [ __ ] uzi you know and everybody has a different position you know like mine i was like one of the quarterbacks which is the last three on the line see it's like a football field right you got the 50 and there's obstacles at the 50 and in between and it's mirrored on the other side the quarterbacks play the back and they shoot a whole bunch of paint so that the other guys that are the front and mid guys can get into these different positions to shoot the other guys out so the guys in the back we're shooting the most paint so you have to use that fanning um style so using three fingers three fingers because the the trigger where you're where the the the base where you're pulling the trigger you can fit three fingers there yeah it's really for two but you could fit three yeah this this was our team right here still an and we were always pretty stoned when we were playing did that help yeah the the the furthest we went we took third place in one tournament wow you guys so this is crazy like you guys have these barriers and [ __ ] yeah these are all blow up barriers right here it looks like a football field yeah that that's what they would replicate like a football soccer field and uh you know you put all the these these obstacles up these blow up obstacles and uh they're all just positions to to try to take to um get a better angle on the other side and what's the what's the ultimate goal to take everybody out it's uh you get points for taking the other side out but you get the maximum points getting their flag and bringing it back to yourself and you know you get points for how many guys on your side that are still alive so you know you would get a hundred percent if all seven of your guys were alive you killed all them and brought their flag does that ever happen oh yeah damn who are you playing
uh you know you guys crawling around the thing about paintball right is that let's just say there's six tiers right there's the pros there's the semi-pros there's the amateurs there's the novice there's the rookie and uh each each each tier had at least 200 teams competing in this wow per tournament and these guys back in that time i don't know how how it is now because i haven't competed in a long time but they would do five tournaments a year one would be in huntington beach the biggest one and it was awesome they would throw it you know right next to a surfing tournament so like it would just be cross people crossing up watching the surfers and then coming watching the paintball then it would hit to you know boston and florida and um las vegas and one other one other place i can't remember but we would do these tournaments i was doing them for like four or five years and the guy before me that was the the ambassador was uh one of the one of the bee gees one of the beaches uh the one who passed away first um barry gibb was it barry no he's the one that always wore the hat um he was the shorter one so he was a paintball he was a paintball fiend like myself he he owned a store he had a team i think it was based out of florida out of miami and he would compete up until when he passed away he was like the ambassador and there he is yeah i came in and took his spot yeah maurice maurice gibb that's crazy i had no idea yeah wow you guys are armored the [ __ ] up huh how fat these things might sting oh man i mean i'd leave with at least 20 paintball bruises you know you know in one one sitting and you know you're you look like a leopard coming wow coming off after that you know who else was a big paintball enthusiast was william shatner really yeah he would hold these crazy tournaments like in trekkie style where it's a scenario game meaning that okay here's the castle i'm going to be in the castle right here you guys got to siege the castle and if you guys can come get me out of here you
guys win this round and they would through the three days they'd set up different scenarios like there we go see william shack they're playing painful this is crazy i would have never guessed but how does he run he can't run well no he's 80 years old he doesn't run they they put him in a central place and he'll shoot sometimes he would go out there but so he would just stay put yeah he would stay put you would have to protect him that's like old man paintball he would fight too he would fight too but he would he would you know they would be trying to protect him oh that's so crazy yeah wow and uh i mean there's a bunch of celebrities that paintballed man will smith was paintballing before he did i robot really he did that he came down to the park where we would practice that we we played with him and his team um but it was a scenario game uh joaquin phoenix we makai pfeiffer i mean you'd be surprised how many but it looks like fun i guess i shouldn't be surprised you let off steam yeah how many people are on a team on on a a competition team you have uh you have 11 for the roster and seven play at a time and you can you know switch guys out but now it's different now they do like five men and three man teams i don't know anything about the new style but you know they they constantly call me back because i'm in better shape than i was when i played i was a little bit heavier than that's why i was at quarterback you know i wasn't running too fast then but you know that they always hit me man i'll always get hit on my dm on ig or twitter like hey man when you come back to the paintball feeling like when i get time which is probably never but it seems like a big time sucks loved it man i loved playing the game it was so addicting it was hard to pull away from it i i would even at times be coming home from from a tour straight into a tournament like i'd get off the plane i'd have somebody have my paintball [ __ ] ready and boom straight to the tournament i can't tell you how many times i was doing that yeah it's [ __ ] crazy it's it's funny
when things get in your blood right they get in your bones yeah that got in my blood like martial arts did because i was always like an enthusiast like you know for a long time you know and uh when i finally started training i was training like seven days a week man i wouldn't give myself any time off because i wanted to learn fast and i wanted to absorb it you know did you ever [ __ ] with jiu jitsu no i yeah i always wanted to but i never did you know i thought about it and uh come on down the 10th planet man you fit right in i think i will you know like a lot of people have asked me and invited me because they know you know i'm a ufc fan i'm a mixed martial arts fan i'm a boxing fan you know all that [ __ ] i you know a couple of my cousins are well one of them was a champion professional boxer which was michael carmichael and his nephew was your cousin yeah damn i met my goat i met him one day at the comedy store yeah long time ago man yeah when he was uh when he was a champ he was a beast he was a beast and his uh nephew is now now boxing keenan carvajal oh okay cool so yeah you know we're rooting for family right there but from arizona right yeah from maisy yeah yeah yeah so yeah i've been invited to to to to you know come [ __ ] with some jiu jitsu and i think i you know i think i will because i mean you got to know it i think i think you you know it's something that would benefit anyone from to know that yeah so that you don't actually you know get in a fight and have to hurt somebody bad or they hurt you you know what i'm saying yeah just choke them just choke them out i saw everlast choke some guy out one night and it was the [ __ ] because you know he he he [ __ ] around a little bit you know he knows people that teach jiu jitsu and they've taught him a couple things and we're at the rainbow one night where we were holding court um just smoking like it's amsterdam down there and we were having a conversation and he kept hearing some dude across the uh a couple tables over kept saying everlast this everlast that and he yo money save my name one more time and he goes
everlasting and he went back to talking to his people because he didn't think everlasting could come up and do nothing to everlast went walked over to this table looked to his face turned him around real quick and started choking him say my name again muddy say it oh jesus oh man it was it was hilarious but uh yeah man well 10th planet is downtown right near where your place is yeah yeah so your studio you're set up that's that's real close to 10th planet jiu jitsu yeah man just let me know i'll set it up i will man you gotta avoid any flat earth conversations that come up oh i you know plug your ears and keep moving i get those from i get those from time to time you know i get people to stay the [ __ ] off of youtube man man yeah they get confused yeah that's that's the craziest [ __ ] because i always argue like this about the flat earth right so hey listen if we got a flat earth there's an edge right and there's always thrill seekers looking to do something thrilling and there's always a thrill seeker that [ __ ] up and falls right off of that edge right so how many [ __ ] would be falling off the edge of the earth if we really had one oh for sure you know there would be climbers there'd be a bunch of dudes who would try to hang off the edge to take selfies think about it right 12 people this year have died at the grand canyon and that's the grand canyon is that really that many that many so far in this year and some people die of a heart attack there because you know it's too much for them to be on that little bridge that they have there that that extends past the edge of a canyon they put in a little bridgeway so that you can go and look down people have heart attacks and people have had heart attacks from that but the other guys are the ones trying to do selfies falling off [ __ ] bridge and plummeting right so you got to think man if we had if we had a flat earth how many people would be visiting the edge and falling [ __ ] off taking a selfie man there's no you know come on no doubt there'd be teams of people teams they
would travel to flat earth and they would they would like rope we'd apparent like like alex honnold would probably try to climb off the side we'd hear it on the news another person has died from falling off the edge of the earth yeah it would be 100 that'd be our hundredth the flat earth people will tell you though that the government guards that yeah right yeah you can't go near it bro yeah battleships well there wouldn't be just one edge though right that's true because they didn't think that through yeah no there'd be several edges if we're flat yeah but see you got to have that youtube mentality you got to put your head in a little box and leave it in there yeah [ __ ] turn the oven box on and stick your head in the government's blocking the edge man you can't get near it yeah it's like we're living in a a dome you know that's that's the other one yeah the dome the dome theory yeah there's no space space is fake yeah [ __ ] man people smoke too much people want to believe in some crazy [ __ ] you know i wonder how much of them are stoners like most of them right how many of them are micro dosing i could yeah probably because you know cause cause that's a thing now everybody's like [ __ ] micro dosing right now and it's not bad for you they say it's actually you know kind of good for you but ron white's doing it white micro doses uh psilocybin every day yes but i've never felt better in my life and they like to talk when they're micro doses especially psilocybin you just have these ideas that's the thing you have ideas and your mind becomes open to [ __ ] that normally you know you're closed off too obviously you know yeah but you know i think they think that the earth is a disk i think that's what i've heard recently they think it's a disk a disk some sort of a floating disk and then we live in the firmament or something like that there's like some sort of a cover over the top of the disk and that's what the here it is what is this jamie it's the cruise the crews next year that they're at the
flat earth cruise yeah oh my god is that real best adventure yet they're gonna get to the [ __ ] glaciers and they're gonna go i told you the whoa the flat earth group i hope they jump out and get eaten by polar bears that's the funniest [ __ ] it has to use like gps to get around so i mean good luck with that you know how many scientists do they have on their side oh all of them that's the funniest [ __ ] no it's [ __ ] ridiculous there's a there's gigantic satellites that take huge high-resolution photos of the earth every 10 seconds from orbit from thousands of miles out those are doctored yeah it's just the whole thing is so [ __ ] stupid of all the [ __ ] to believe in like to invest any energy in that like why would someone lie about the shape of the earth that's the dumbest part about it you want to know what i think is is um before um the internet and all these different platforms where you can get information they you know our government and other governments could debunk any information on ufos anything because they you know there wasn't like the wide communication that exists now right so i think now they put in people who are saying this crazy wild way out [ __ ] so that people are that are really trying to expose truth on certain things they get looked at as whack jobs like the rest of those that are trying to say oh well flat earth or we're on a disk or we're in a globe or blah blah blah government spying on you they'll throw all that together the government is spying on you yeah they are that is for sure no they really are that it's it's you know since george bush jr was president they've been listening to our phone calls i mean that's a fact i mean that was one of the the things they enacted with the homeland security that they can record every american's call and you know whatever conversation mentioned certain keywords as we were saying earlier they would you know they would get shuffled off to a certain department and those guys were red flagged and looked at and that still happens today still to this day you don't need a warrant then you just
listen i mean i'll tell you this right there was uh i've been traveling what 20 20 some odd years at this point where um when i when i was coming back into to the united states for a long time i would not get um randomly checked or anything like that they just let us go by and i made a few posts somewhere you know with an abundant amount of cannabis right and right after that post each time i came back into the united states they sent me into secondary for a search and i started asking like hey um i've been traveling for x amount of years now ever i've noticed that the last four times that i've come back from another country you guys are randomly you know checking my bags now what's the deal am i red flagged what's going on with my passport um well you know we're i'm not really allowed to tell you this but i mean have you been what kind of postings have you made on your social networks really yeah and i said okay say no more and i already knew what it was because i had put like you know a post with like four five six pounds in it what does five pounds of weed even look like it's a lot so light that's like giant pillows filled with yeah so you know right then and there i knew you know from that reaction that he had that anybody with any sort of um that's involved in entertainment music athlete you know whatever actor actress they're watching all of our [ __ ] oh for sure they're listening and they're watching so especially someone like you has been at the forefront of pushing cannabis legalization and always talked about it openly flagrantly even when it was a schedule one substance oh yeah everywhere you know yeah when did you get a medical card what year the the year that it was available the first year it was available was that like 95 or something 94 yeah i think i got my from from dr item and he was like one of the doctor ottoman hooked me up
to you yeah all right we're idle men brothers all right a lot of us are i used to go to him even when it was way more expensive because i'm like that guy's an og yeah hey bro he like he told me he goes my god because because i lost track of him for a minute you know and uh when i went back to get a renewal some years back and he's louis you've you've been with me a long time i mean is it what it looks like is that your patient number four whoa oh number four on his first because he keeps a list of all his patients i guess you know and apparently i was number four yeah even though there's doctors out here i would always go travel to see him in hollywood just out of respect yeah and uh he always had these he had like og stoners in the waiting room oh yeah just people that were just like barely holding on to reality oh yeah he had he had all sorts he had the hippies he had the new you know new gens hip-hop people like he had vitamin drips and [ __ ] too all kinds of weird stuff in his office yeah he would yeah he would try to sell you on some some different technology anytime you can this will help you stop smoking cigarettes well i don't smoke cigarettes oh yeah you had like a thing that you put on your ear little electrode yeah they gave one to red band it didn't work yeah you know you got to try something right yeah it was like a battery powered thing right give a little charge to your ear that's somehow another supposed to stop you from smoking cigarettes like yeah i didn't get it i didn't smoke cigarettes so it's like i don't smoke cigarettes did you ever get your lungs checked out from all those years of weed smoking yeah i mean i you know i get physicals and stuff like that and uh you know occasionally i'll have my lungs checked and they tell me they're great isn't that amazing it's crazy you know because i think if if you keep active you know like you train and and uh a lot of us train now like this generation they're not like lazy stoners they don't just yeah sit back and do nothing there still are those but you know i i don't think it has the the
same carcinogens as you know people expected you know like a cigarette it doesn't and so you know you might look at someone's lungs who who who smoke cigarettes and and you might see something there and like hey you need to you know slow the [ __ ] down over here but in in every time that i've had my lungs checked or whatever for whatever whether i've you know gotten sick or whatever they're they're always telling me lungs are in good shape and it's a funny thing because you know in i think in 1986 you know i was 17 and i was gang-banging i got shot and you know that i got hit by a 22 and and it as hollow points do it um it it broke into three three pieces the hollow point and one of them punctured my my lung on my left side and uh you know they were telling me uh well you know um do you smoke no i don't really smoke because i didn't smoke cigarettes i smoked weed but i wasn't gonna divulge that at the time i was 17 and you know and uh they said well you know well that's good because you'll never smoke again like you they punctured your lung and blah blah blah they thought i was gonna have to work off one lung but in the three days you know they were able to get the blood out of the lung and i was able to get it back you know through the exercises they told me you know to get it back to its regular size and i've never had a problem since then knock off do they take the piece of metal out no i still got the three pieces that's like when i go do my physicals and they do the you know the mri the mris and the x-rays and all that the doctors you know sometimes they forget because they see so many patients mr freeze um these appear to be bullet fragments what what is that well you just said it doctor bullet frank you've seen him a dozen times you know and uh yeah i was very lucky i was very lucky because it you know punctured my lung and then two of the pieces one was by the heart one was by
my spine but i was at uh martin luther king hospital in linwood and we call that place killer king because you go in there for something small and end up dying or come out you know gimped out or something so you know i wasn't to allow them to try and get to those bullets or those fragments to open you up yeah no no because you know they didn't have a great success rate what kind of lung exercise they give you try to pump your lungs back they give you this breathing apparatus that has like a ball in it right and it has two lines and you know the it's the the first line you're trying to they're telling you every day for five minutes to ten minutes to blow that you know not all in one shot but like to keep practicing getting the ball up there and that will help inflate the lung and get it back so i had to do that for probably like three weeks and uh you know the puncture wound it healed itself pretty much and uh and the pieces are still in your lungs not in the lung no it's it it went past the lung it shot past the lung so you know it's uh i got a piece up here and one off to the side in the back well when it's really cold due to the the the nerve damage i'll get like stinging like you know like when you're when your hand falls asleep the little needles the yeah i'll get that here and then and then back here where it entered they had they had to cut right in between a rib here to stick the tube in to put the the hose into the lung to get the blood out of the lung damn yeah i was you know i was living crazy before i got into the music the music saved my life pretty much really yeah how long were your gang banging for for for some years you know i started i started young um i was probably 13 years old whoa and i got out of it probably i didn't necessarily get out but i changed up what i was doing because you don't never really get out per se unless they jump you out and you know i was
too into it to to be jumped out like that you know what i mean that wasn't something i was going to do because you know for as negative as it was it taught me a lot um so my my boys that i you know ran with they understood i was trying to do something different you know i made a choice to try the music and and leave that [ __ ] alone because there there was no way that you do both if you do both you see the results of that what's happening today with a lot of cats you know what i mean they try to ride the line be professional and be in the music but they're still kind of in this world over here and when it bleeds in one bleeds into the other it you know it [ __ ] everything up you know and uh so i chose you know i was gonna do music and just talk about those life experiences and whatnot and i was probably at um 18 that uh i started taking on the music and uh that's that's where it went you know like when you said you learned a lot from it like what did you learn from it well you know your street you know there's there's common sense and then there's common sense on the streets and then there's being aware and looking out and you know not being a doormat and uh just it's it's a whole different type of schooling when you're gang-banging you know that's the way you uh carry yourself the way you communicate with someone and know whether they're disrespecting you or not and how you deal with that disrespect which is you know a whole different world in the gang bang [ __ ] but it's uh it's a different kind of education you know i wouldn't i wouldn't take it back some of the things i would you know i definitely regretted while i was doing it for sure but um it made me see things from from a different perspective you know and and why you know things are the way they are in
gangs and stuff like that from lack of opportunities you know for for these kids to be doing something you know because not everybody's good at sports you know but there has to be other opportunities other that other than that to get kids interested in doing something else because falling into the gangs it's it's easy if if you don't have a good home life at home the guys on the street are your second family and they eventually become your first family you know what i mean and if you don't have a father figure at home one of the guys in the gang you know becomes your mentor he could become like the guy you look up to as like your father figure you know there's that and then you know again there's not enough programs out there to keep people into doing something different than falling into that and then sometimes you know it just it's a matter of you know you growing up in this neighborhood if you have to walk down that street and they approach you and say hey you live in this hood you got to be with us if you don't we're going to make it hard for you so there's that peer pressure and then there's the legacy [ __ ] like so if my father was a gangster and this gang and he still lives in this neighborhood pressures on for me eventually to take up where father left off you know and uh it's it's all those things and then some people just start thrill seekers and they choose it and have nothing you know in common with none of that they just choose it for some people too it's so appealing to have somewhere that you belong right and that's the thing because if you don't feel like you you belong in your school or you don't belong with your in your family and and that that [ __ ] can totally take hold and and you end up there you know fortunately i had good friends that weren't gang bangers you know that they had talent for music which is mugs and sen and sen's brother
melo you know they were you know i did music as a hobby you know before i got into gangs and and they got me back into the music because they recognized something in me and said hey we want you to come back where we got these opportunities over here come join us did you always have that style no i didn't when did you develop that once we started working on our cypress hill demos um mugs came to me and said hey man you gotta do something you gotta do something different otherwise you're gonna write for sin because sen had a good voice his [ __ ] was locked in and my voice i was wrapping in a voice similar to the one i'm talking and although the rhymes were good it didn't cut through on the style like on on you know on the beats it just sounded like you know some regular [ __ ] so you know i don't want to be someone's writer you know i wanted to write for myself so you know i there was a guy that we used to listen to um coming up was his name was ram lz he was on this uh record called wild style and he was in the movie he was this rapper who is very uh obscure but he was an artist too you know like a graffiti artist but then also an artist artist you know but he was also a rapper and what he would do is he'd wrap in a regular style like his talking voice this is the brother they call the ram bell he had a deep voice like that and then he would flip right in the middle take it up town to cypress hill with the shotgun blah blah like that and you know we were always freaking out on that he had two styles so i tried throwing my voice in that sort of similar style and it ended up sticking i didn't really like i didn't think anybody was gonna like it i thought they were gonna be like get the [ __ ] out of here with that but they ended up liking it and uh i think the first song that um came about in that style was uh the song real estate off our first album it's uh you know that was where i tried it the first time they liked it so then kill a man came next and i tried that song in that style then hand on the pump
and it just became a flow after that and i really did not feel it at first i was like [ __ ] i can't believe they got me rapping in this voice and it it it took it took a minute to get used to that you know like doing it live because you know i had a tendency we as as rappers you know that don't know because there's no school for this unless you have somebody who's done it and they teach you okay this is what the get down is and we didn't have that really it was all hands-on learning i you know for the first few years man i was trying to do the voice and i'd end up you know getting over hyped because the crowd is hype and i'd start yelling the verses instead of like wrapping them like on the record i'd throw my voice out my voice would get scratchy i'd be sounding like buster rhymes and [ __ ] you know and it took me five years to actually harness how to actually do the shows with this voice and i had to go to this opera singer um coach really the name was something elizabeth sabine or something like that she trained a lot of folks but she she her [ __ ] was like to teach you the operatic way of of singing which is from the diaphragm tighten the stomach take little breaths but those little breaths make your lungs expand you know a lot and it's less projection from your throat and more from the bottom and she taught me that technique and i never went horse again after that i like would you know people often compliment me on you know sounding so close to how the records are there's once in a while where i might get excited and start saying it louder than it might be but i'm always sort of right there and i got you know i got to give all props to her because if she hadn't showed me that technique i'd probably still be yelling and screaming my [ __ ] out [ __ ] up my voice you know that brings up an interesting point is this her yeah she's teaching somebody heavy metal right here yeah no way let me hear so call we can't play this on youtube we'll get kicked off and she was and she was an opera singer at one time wow but she went on to teach people the technique no kidding man
that is wild see because if you try to keep your breath and and and sustain a long note like that from your chest you won't sustain that note long enough but if you tighten doing it from your diaphragm yeah if you tighten up almost it's almost like if you're gonna take a [Music] instead of from the throat that makes sense yeah you know like it it allows you it allows your lungs to expand while you're breathing through from your diaphragm so that's what she taught a lot of singers and it's a another method is to cheat the word like pronounce it you know like you're kind of like it's it's like with these mumble rappers do when they they pronounce the word and they kind of mumble it and they sort of cheat it you know what the word is but they didn't pronounce it all the way right so so in other words if she's gonna you were gonna sing the line come he come with me so it sounds a little bit cleaner you'd say gum with me but in the way you would say it it's more with the g but it's so talked in that you hear come with me and it's just a cheating way of saying it to get the line a little bit cleaner and and [ __ ] uh you know in the breath and she taught me all that [ __ ] and and it worked for rap i didn't know if it would because i mean it was it's she primarily taught singers i was probably the first rapper that she taught this technique to and it stuck man how did you find her um one of one of my friends had heard of her you know because i mean in the in the industry you meet you know you become friends with other you know um your peers and stuff like that and you know i knew a couple singers and they they they were you know noting my problem is just you know screaming my verses and coming back with the raspy voice so they were like here why don't you try this person right here this person taught or or gave this technique to so and so
and it was another singer i can't remember but um i thought well you know what have i got to lose i mean if it doesn't work it doesn't work but maybe i learned something from it that i could use somewhere else right and [ __ ] she she taught me the warm up she taught me uh you know the certain words that you can cheat to to you know for for certain breath control purposes because the way you pronounce certain things you know sort of add to that and just the the tightening of the diaphragm man like if if i hadn't learned that it would have took me a lot longer to do the shows the way that i can do them now so do you warm up before shows i don't necessarily need to like from the first song on my voice like gets in like the first few bars it it warms up right then and there and uh it's not really like singing where i gotta sustain notes and stuff like that so i don't have to do those same kind of warm-ups if i was gonna sing some [ __ ] yes i would definitely have to get my you know get the pitch right and the throat warmed up to to do those different you know melodies or whatever the hell but fortunately i don't sing yeah the whole rap world has always been fascinating to me like how someone gets in like how do you get started are there open mics like what yeah back in the day man someone had to be the guy endorsing you you know like saying to you know these guys over here hey man listen to this these artists right or this artist right here they're the new [ __ ] they're gonna be the one and then you would have to do a couple showcases and stuff like that and you know win some people over i mean we we definitely did uh our sheriff showcases in the beginning but we were getting passed on left and right because you know people thought you know what are they talking about with this cannabis [ __ ] and we and we didn't sound like a west coast group you know because we're trying to sell our [ __ ] to west coast labels here and they did not get us it wasn't until you know um mugs had had
you know he'd previously been in a group called 73 and he had worked with these guys called the rhyme syndicate which was iced teas guys so he kind of you know he was the guy that people knew and then um syndog's brother melo mannis eventually would get in the door and so people started hearing about us through you know through more mugs than mellow metal mellow didn't really do [ __ ] for us you know all all truth told but mugs you know they kept hearing about a group that he was forming outside of 783 which came to be cyprus hill and so you know the guys uh that worked on him worked with him on the 783 records which was joe's niccolo of of roughhouse records you know he wanted to sign whatever mugs was doing and you know he eventually ended up signing us um and they had a distribution deal with uh with sony music so you know we you know put out our records to roughhouse columbia or roughhouse sony something like that and that's how we got put on you know and and again it had to be word of mouth because if nobody heard it you heard of you you had to have some really [ __ ] dope music for them to even like consider you if you didn't have like someone backing you it was tough you know you had to have someone come speak on your behalf and say hey these guys are the new new [ __ ] and and uh fortunately for us once we put out our snippet tape like when sony put out our snippet tape guys like epmd right and they were one of our favorite groups in the world man it was the top five for cypress there was you know public enemy beastie boys epmd love epmd yeah [ __ ] they were the [ __ ] and uh those were the guys that took our snippet tape and they were showing our snippet tape to other rappers like hey guys look at these new [ __ ] guys because you know busta rhyme told me this story yo yo son i heard your [ __ ] from epmd way back in the day they was playing it for a public enemy and i just happened to be in the room and what and you know ice cube when we met him for the first time you know um and we
had our ups and downs with him but he's one of my homies um he he told me yeah man the first time i heard of y'all was through epmd that he was on tour was doing the show and they came in with y'all taping that's how i heard of y'all and and you know that they were like our first street team man [ __ ] epmd our fam our favorite one of our top three favorite groups was out there like with our snippet tape telling people hey these guys are the new [ __ ] are they still together uh they do they do stuff occasionally but i think they do more work you know individually now i know eric's sermon is putting out a record right now he's just promoting it on on uh some radio show and uh i mean those guys still act stay active i mean he's a producer so he's always making music but as a rapper you know i don't put out as much stuff as they used to but yeah they're still active you know who i miss cool g rap cool g rap all right still bust out hey a lot of guys don't have a style if he doesn't you know if he had never come out so many people were influenced by him yeah bad [ __ ] a lot of people forgot about him a lot of people forgot about him and he was one of the baddest dudes i mean a lot of people you know would talk about big daddy kane and rock him sure but you couldn't talk about them without talking about cool g rap because he was like one of those guys like spitting mad versus man like his bar work was incredible yeah he was incredible i still listen to that song [ __ ] blocking yeah every now and then i'll throw that on and i gotta tell you you know like if if you hear songs that he does today he is still [ __ ] current like his he's still got that style that that cuts through like you know some of the older artists they they sort of lose the style that people love and they don't know how to transition into you know what their style would be right now you know like updating whatever that style is you know a lot of a lot of the older
artists had troubles doing that you know but my man coogie rap not a [ __ ] street blues no he's still ill yeah he was fantastic yeah yeah i always got confused why he didn't get bigger i didn't get it i was like this guy's so good you know i think it was it was just the wave that came after him you know it's it's it's like uh he was such an underground force and if you're an underground force you know you had to make a a conscious decision whether okay i'm gonna go main if i go mainstream i'm gonna lose these hardcore fans i might gain you know these mainstream fans but how long are they gonna stay with me as opposed to these core fans that you know that they're but with his style he couldn't just keep him because like i thought he could a lot of guys kept them right you want to know something i think it was due to um you know the record company not wanting to take the chance because as an artist you want everybody to hear your [ __ ] right you know for us we didn't play those games we said [ __ ] it you know if if we felt it was the right look for us we were gonna take it you know no matter what anybody thought you know and uh again you face scrutiny for [ __ ] like that but in the end you know if you didn't play yourself people remember that you know and we said [ __ ] it we're gonna take our music mainstream even though that was not our intent you know we always meant ourselves to be a more underground group but insane in the brain didn't allow that it it propelled us you know so we were like okay well we're going to take our underground asses up into this mainstream and show them how we do it and it it kicked the door open for a lot of other underground acts to go into the mainstream and we prove that if you do it right and if you stay on your game and if you keep working in in and stay present and put out quality music that you can sustain those those mainstream fans that you gain right there and the core yeah you
guys sustained so well that people covered your [ __ ] yeah like rage that was just the machine when they covered pistol grip pump on my left at all times holy [ __ ] one of my favorite bands de la rocha yelling yeah that that [ __ ] was awesome he took a a totally different take on it but like a cover but it was it was a cover but it was his take yeah it was badass it was one of my favorites man you know and it was an honor to me because you know like i was really good friends with them to begin with i saw them come out the gate before they exploded and became rage against the machine and so for them to cover one of our songs we were like man [ __ ] yeah you know because they they helped us get better you know there was a lot of groups that we looked to it for influence even if they were doing different style of music like public enemy was an influence to us rage against the machine was an inspiration to us to like push the envelope a little bit more on what we were doing not necessarily like how they were because they had their own sound just like we had our own sound so they made us push you know and groups like that made us better so when we heard this guy [ __ ] doing or this band doing the cover and then they asked us to come play this song with them which would be their last night as rage against the machine for a long time this was like their last show right here wow we got to do that with them that must've been amazing and i was wearing a dad hat before dad hats were cool i will not wear one right now ever i don't know what i was thinking but [ __ ] it that's hilarious that's hilarious nah it was a fun show man i went into the mosh pit oh dizzy yeah before that song before they called us up for that song for most of their set i was in the mosh pit and there was you you usc uh front lineman down there wrecking shopping i was in there with them they were protecting me i was like oh [ __ ] be real you're opening up like yep then we were a record shop together it
was it was awesome there's a video of dana white in a mosh pit once i don't know what the [ __ ] he was thinking he must have been drunk he jumped in the mosh pit like years ago he's a big dude though he's a big dude he's jumping around there moshing around yeah i dated a girl who got kayode in a mosh pit once oh man hey it's it's it's crazy man i i used to go into a lot of different mosh pits he's in the rage mosh pit yeah most of it is safe but every now and then you run into a [ __ ] i'll tell you man that the the craziest mosh pits you know that i saw well the craziest mosh pits i've gone into there was olympus get mosh pit that was crazy and but the craziest was was the rage mosh pit but the ones that i seen from outside of it not being in it that were crazy was there was a sound garden mosh pit sound garden yeah at lollapalooza early on it was uh when they had bad motor finger out oh man that [ __ ] mosh pit was like a whirlpool of chaos bro i i was loving it and i was on mushrooms watching this [ __ ] so it was [ __ ] amazing and uh then and then a slayer mosh pit man their [ __ ] [ __ ] is brutal yeah that sounds like they're just the pace of slayer it's crazy but i gotta tell you since joining prophets of rage in us you know when we tour europe and stuff like that and we do a combination of you know uh rage against machine songs public enemy and cypher sail along with our our own material the mosh pits are [ __ ] crazy but you know there was one one one thing that i saw that was not brutal but it was cool as [ __ ] and it was in uh i think i believe it was sweden or or switzerland but there were you know out of like the the 60 70 000 people that were out there there was like maybe 5 000 concentrated people who sat down on their ass right and were like the [ __ ] are these people doing aren't they like are they protesting our set what the [ __ ] is going on right and what was crazy is you know you you're not gonna stop playing you just keep going so we start on on um i believe the song was guerrilla radio
that we were playing at that point all of a sudden we see him start doing this the rowan they were wrote it was like a viking row it was a [ __ ] move it was a move that the crowd was doing so there's five five thousand people out of the thirty thousand that are sitting in you know like next to each other lines rose you know just [ __ ] of people rowing on beat dawg it was the wow [ __ ] vikings man how crazy that dna just stuck with those people and that was just the little section of it man if you were to see from stage there was like it was spot like spotted groups and they sat down and they sat down and were rowing that's so [ __ ] crazy yeah have you ever seen the there was a they did a viking chant once at a soccer game crazy oh man it's wild because the whole [ __ ] arena did it and you feel it you feel that [ __ ] like you got to think man when they they were going to wars back in the day they rallied all their guys up just like that yeah they're out of tune though this [ __ ] boat's going to go sideways yeah you know i don't i don't know where that move comes from but it looks cool when you see it as [ __ ] it's got to be an old-school viking thing yeah they probably do it when they get drunk yeah i mean you know think about it you know they used to conquest [ __ ] so they're like [ __ ] rowing oh it wrote imagine here like see if you can find that the viking one at a soccer game because it's like i think it's at a world cup or something like that but they're like yeah yeah you hear it in the crowd and he's like oh my god imagine hearing that [ __ ] over the when they're coming to get you towards your village like grab the baby we're going to live in the woods [ __ ] yeah you got to get out of here yeah yeah they and those are big dudes yeah here it is oh oh yeah look at that dog tuned in together man they're all in sync look at the hands that's spooky yeah man those [ __ ] if somebody reignites them imagine that
they will take over the world again there's enough of them imagine that horde coming at you bro what a [ __ ] crazy line of dna you know a line of people that just were conquerors dirty [ __ ] sturdy giant [ __ ] who did mushrooms yeah they would they would blaze up mushroom their [ __ ] heads into oblivion and just go slash people go get them it's crazy man is it there's another one it's another one so that's like their thing the viking club i guess the nfl vikings sort of adopted this recently they do it in their football game yeah but look at that dork with the glasses put your [ __ ] hands down man stop listen bro when you first start rapping like uh you rapping with kids in your neighborhood are you like aspiring to be a rapper and writing [ __ ] down and trying things on your friends like how do you get started well the the way that i started i was writing you know like poetry first really yeah like what kind of poetry just like you know like hood stuff you know just stuff that rhymed but like just sort of writing it down like it was uh it was almost like writing raps but it just you know it's without saying it right because you read it and [ __ ] like that whatever but i would just write poetry about you know everyday [ __ ] you know what i mean nothing you know it wasn't like doing like the i don't know if there's like categories of poetry but it you know it was just stuff that that would happen from day to day you know and uh i had a knack for writing i realized that and i always wanted to be a journalist that's you know what really the thing that i thought i was going to be at school right do you right now uh i was for a while but i i looked at that kind of stuff just again everyday stuff or you know i'd like randomly pick something to write about so if it was can about the cannabis industry i'd write something about that if it was about the music industry i'd write something about that like i every now and then i would uh there was a
back in the early 2000s there was a magazine called industry insider magazine and occasionally i would write articles for that i wasn't really that great because you know i was so spotty in school that you know that my you know it needed work you know but they left it raw the way that that i would put it out there and people got my point and that that was cool but i looked at it uh in the way that the the music that i've done in a lot of the songs serve as a certain form of journal journalism for me you know like you know bringing up certain issues that people don't necessarily hear like throw your set in the air is a song on temple's boom and it's a song about how you would get you know in in inducted into a gang how you get put into a gang how you fall into it and some people might think you know by hearing it that it was glorifying it and praising it but it wasn't it was basically this is how it is this is so you know the signs to look for if your kids are you know [ __ ] around with the wrong people you know and that's you know i took it like okay you know maybe i'm not a journalist like i intended to be but this is my way of it you know i can enlighten people with certain things and you know like anything somebody's going to read something or hear something and and maybe misinterpret what you say but you know it's all about who's who's listening and who's reading and who's watching and stuff like that and their interpretation of it and some get it some don't and that's just the nature of it but like most people get it and i've i've come across people that have come to me and come and said hey man your your songs on temple and boom man you know they they helped to get me through these times or you these songs raised me they taught me this this and that that's awesome and to me you know that that's that's the impact right there that's the [ __ ] yeah means more than anything right because i'm sure you remember songs that got you through right oh yeah for sure
you know there was songs from krs1 and public enemy that you know got me through and fired me up you know and inspired and stuff like that keras one's another one people forget about man i'll be in my car just going whoop whoop that's the son of the police yeah i mean he he he taught me how to be a bullhorn you know what i mean like tell you know like yeah tell the truth you know your truth tell get the word out and and and not be fearful of what might happen because he could have been one of the biggest stars in in hip-hop he chose not to be he chose to be a voice and sometimes and be in that voice you know you get objects put in front of you and certain opportunities don't you know get put on your table because he says some great [ __ ] man he's talking about getting mad at the president it's like being mad at the manager at mcdonald's yeah you know for the way the corporation's being run yeah it's it's he he is uh very insightful in in the [ __ ] that he says and he is very unafraid to state it and state his opinion for you to get like people coming up to you when they first started coming up to you telling you that your music got them through things that it means so much to them when that first started happening that must have been surreal you know yeah because as an artist as especially as a young artist you that's not something you think about well these songs are gonna well it depends on on the artist you are right you guys hit how old were you like 23 or something like that how old were you when i was like uh we released in 91 and it really started going for us in 92 so i was 22. you're a kid yeah that's so crazy there goes the baby fro wow wow look at the baby fro yeah but i mean think about that man that is so crazy for you to go from the guy who yo mtv raps yeah who remembers that i did a bungee jump at this spring break with uh tretch from naughty by nature was that the one that was in cancun no that was daytona beach right now oh okay when mtv
was still when mtv was still allowed over there was back when mtv had music yeah when they had music format empty wizard mtv was music videos yeah good luck finding a [ __ ] music video now i guess they still haven't got to go to youtube yeah exactly yeah wow that's wild what was it like when it first started popping off and you were 22 years old was it did it feel real it was a it was a crazy thing because it's not something that i had ever envisioned happening you know i didn't think that you know the music would blow up like that you know we were doing it to obviously try and and and make a name for ourselves and and uh make music that people like but [ __ ] we didn't see that coming at all much especially with insane in the brain when they told me uh when like when killer man started going it was like surreal because you know we didn't think that song would take just because it you know of of the chorus itself you know [ __ ] what the song is about that you know we knew that the chorus was you know what they were gonna hear more than anything and so i you know we we thought nah we're going to have a good underground album we didn't realize it would blow up we didn't think they were going to put kill a man in the juice movie yeah and that would blow that song up even more so than it was it was getting um because we had released funky phil wins first and it was a double a side single funky phil wouldn't kill a man on the other a side which means um at that time the djs had the option of which song they wanted to go whereas most of the time you had a side b side and the a side is most definitely the one that the record company wants you to push we gave it a double a side because we thought maybe the djs would like kill a man more they went with funky phil when the record company because they figured it would be easier to market right and then the dj started flipping the record of course and we started getting traction behind that our record was out like six months had dropped off
the chart and they flipped the record our [ __ ] slowly starts to go back up the chart we got back on the chart and started climbing and we were getting a whole lot of mixed show play and then we started doing a lot of promotional shows that being one of them and it started going and kiliman started getting us going and uh i mean we toured for probably a year and a half like a lot of just a lot of promotional shows not getting paid you know just you know sony having us out there promoting the record and by the time uh you know our record got back back up into the middle of the charts i mean it was still rising but and they saw that they were like we got to get them off the road in making a new record so that's when we got out there with black sunday and uh with black sunday and insane coming out again that's not a song i thought would blow up when they chose that for the single i'm like all right there's better songs but [ __ ] it that's the one okay so it comes out boom it explodes and now we have our black sunday charting at number one coming in and our our first album had come all the way from the bottom to hit number five so we had two two albums in the top 10 200 top 10 of the 200 songs you know on the chart which no one had ever done in hip hop before we had one in five slot and uh you know [ __ ] we definitely didn't think that was gonna happen i mean you know it was all a surprise and it went from one minute you could go to a mall and be you know unassuming and nobody even knows who the [ __ ] you are and you know you're getting about your day to now you go to the mall and the whole [ __ ] mall is swarming on you like [ __ ] you're like you know paul mccartney or something it was the craziest [ __ ] they they would ask us to leave the malls like really yeah like uh we used i used to go to this one called uh the montebello it was in montebello i
can't remember what the name of the mall was but it was in montebello the only one down there at the time and we knew everybody there you know as we're coming up because that's where we'd go shop so you know you make friends and people in the shop and stuff like that and when we come back off a tour this time and go try to go to that mall you know one of our friends [ __ ] up and wore a cypress hill jacket oh and that's like a [ __ ] billboard when you're standing next to one of us right so before you know it boom we get swooped and and you know there's a pre-cell phone too yeah and the mall security comes hey man you know i know it's [ __ ] up but you guys gotta go really like yeah man it's a commotion you guys gotta go they're telling me i'm like they think somebody's gonna fight i'm like wow all right i never went back to that mall after that i was like wow all right cool because you know one i didn't want to cause them problems too it was now it was tough to go somewhere at that time and not get you know swarmed not get swarmed yeah it was it was uh it was quite quite uh uh an experience man like you know because you only ever hear about it till it happens and you might you know if you have friends in in the industry and it's happening for them you might see it indirectly you know like through that through their [ __ ] and uh you know we had friends in the business you know fri kid frost was one of my friends um before we got out there and is he still around yeah yeah he still does stuff you know um i don't know if he's putting out so much new music these days but he's still here and there he's doing some of the cannabis industry stuff too because he's a big connoisseur i gotta tell you my man smokes used to smoke like a train man like him and i would trade joints off left and right but you know for a time you know i would go hang with him at his gigs i'd be his bodyguard because i was the one that was
not afraid to carry the hammer meaning the magnum in my waistline you know i was we were cowboys man we we were always armed at that time from 89 to probably 97 or 98 we were holding pistols on our hip like cowboys and you know he knew that so he asked me he would ask me to go to the gigs you know to you know double as his bodyguard i wasn't his bodyguard but i was his bodyguard you know what i mean right right and um i'd see the way he handled it and that see the way you know people crowded around him and and uh you know so i learned how to deal with it watching you know how he would do it in a negative way or a positive way because you know he's sometimes embraced the crowd sometimes he's like [ __ ] off me you know like a lot of a lot of artists are you know and uh that sort of prepared me so that when you know we got in our lane you know i knew how to sort of deal with it and i you know was always courteous and cool and respectful and never the guy that's like nah man [ __ ] that get out of here because i see it and some of my homies were like that you know and i didn't i hated the feeling that when the fans would walk away just totally [ __ ] wind out of their sails and [ __ ] like that now they don't like this artist ever again you know and i saw that and i never wanted to have anyone walk away with that experience so i always embraced it even when it was a pain in the ass you know so when was your first time ever getting on stage do you remember first time there there used to be a club called radiotron here in the 80s right and it was the hip-hop club if you were into hip-hop any aspect of it whether it was rapping break dancing popping graffiti all the people went to that spot and um it was hard to get in there and it was hard to get on the mic no less um but we had a homie who was like a legendary dj out here when when um the am station was playing hip-hop his
name was tony g and he was uh the leader of the mix master show the head mix master and he had a residency at the radiotron so we grew up with one of his um one of his boys that was his like um his uh protege so they invited us over and myself and sam got on the mic and melo and i froze the [ __ ] up i tell you i froze up i forgot every rap i ever wrote or ever memorized i was like uh it would be one of the two times that i would freeze in my life and and it was that was the first time i was on stage and all those people looking at me waiting expecting something i totally blew it you know and i told myself okay i got to get over the nervousness and then the other thing we were doing like was a it was like um they they wanted rappers to do this psa for some [ __ ] right and they wanted us to write this rap and put all this certain information in there and i had it i had it memorized i had it locked in the minute they said go and they were filming it you know this is to film it i kept [ __ ] it up horribly i didn't even get through it i i was like i'm sorry i can't do it [ __ ] i you know i i was getting mad at myself doing like [ __ ] what's wrong with me were you high no i wasn't maybe that was a problem that was probably the problem you know because when i'm not high is when [ __ ] like this happens right so those are the two times that i totally [ __ ] it up and i like from the last time i said i'll never do that again i'm gonna be prepared and i'm gonna get through the anxiety or whatever it is and um so those were the first two times but the first time on stage where i actually pulled it off was probably one of our first showcases it was at a it was at this place off of the 10 and it wasn't a showcase it was actually a a competition you know how they used to do competitions it's clubs like [ __ ] uh what do they call it uh forgot what they used to call them but you know different bands would it was like a battle of the bands right so we
went in and uh i'm coming off of that horrible [ __ ] deal that had just happened you know maybe a month or two before and i totally got over it and we were performing real estate you know in this showcase and we lost but we made the biggest impression there because the song you know we performed it like you know the way that it's supposed to be and then at the end send dog jumped on the big judges table and he you know he grabbed his balls right in front of the [ __ ] female judge and then as he jumps off the table it breaks in half into her lap and everybody loved it we lost to these dudes who are like new new edition wannabes we call them tootsie rolls but we don't remember them they won but in reality we won because that's everybody was talking about us at the end you know like how raw that was and after that show i realized you know this is this is how i'm supposed to do it and i've seen krs-1 uh do a show one time where the sound went out he didn't have a stage he was on a couple of tables that were put together and he just got up in front of the whole club no microphone no music and just started wrapping his verses and people were rapping right along with him not giving a [ __ ] that the sound turned off but the fact that he just continued to do the show and that right there taught me a lot about how you control [ __ ] on stage yeah sometimes when when things go wrong it's a great opportunity oh yeah you did a show at the improv last month like maybe last month or the month before the power went out and then like what do you want to do i said [ __ ] it let's do a show i could yell yeah so we just did everybody just did the show with no microphone but that was a you know the improv is a small room it's only 180 people yeah i mean that that that place was you know a small place too but i mean it it goes to show you man like if if you got it you're gonna do it yeah it's probably better sometimes because it's unique yeah because people will remember you know the the other way yeah you know it probably would have been a great show and people would be talking about it but
they'll remember the fact that you got over that adversity and were able to still deliver and that's the [ __ ] that krs-1 did for me he showed me through the adversity he kept doing the show and the people were still with him and i thought okay one day that's going to be me and i'm going to do what the teacher does and you know that that that had been one of the most important things that i learned you know in watching others do shows and stuff like that and what i would do when i got up there you know and i i applied all those those you know lessons man you know and and it's made me who i am as my part of cyprus hill and when i do my solo stuff and when i'm with prophets of rage that you know that got me prepped for everything that i do now in terms of music now how did you well it's good that to you for you to tell people that you had a real hard time your first time performing oh yeah there's probably a lot of people out there that they'll never say anxious yeah a lot of people never say that they'll lie you know but that's i think that's important and there's nothing wrong with those feelings man it's it's good you got to learn man you're a kid it's it's it's like uh you liken it to to like college stars that are coming into the professional sports now like basketball players for instance you get this number one draft pick he comes to a team and everybody has these high expectations no one knows that this kid you know some people own the space like lebron and kobe and kevin garnett who came straight from high school and they owned the space the minute they got in it i mean kobe had to work yeah he wasn't the greatest you know when he when he started he had to work to get to where he was at and and a lot of these guys do some of them you know again they come in and they already got it you know like lebron he was you know playing the groans grown man's game right when he got into the league thrown into the fire but he was ready for that he got better and and learned the role
and learned who he was as he's gone but he was one of those rare thing rare people that can just jump into it some people have to get better at it yeah and you know it's the same thing with music like you get thrown on on that big stage for the first time if you're not prepped for it you're gonna definitely be nervous now you could either embrace that and it'll it'll be your first show and you could do a good one or you could do a horrible one but either way you can learn from that yeah and uh if you don't learn from it then the run is short if you learn from it you know you know you learn how to to get better and and sustain a longer career how did you learn how to get over the anxiety like your first show having a the first show suck like that what was it how did what was what did you learn like how did you how did did you take classes did you read a book you know what we did that that helped me was that we rehearsed a lot because for me it was like more remembering the songs it wasn't like the nerve to go out in front of people because we came from the break dance in b-boy culture uh the popping and stuff like that so much of that is going against someone battling someone in front of a crowd and if you can be in front of a crowd doing that because that's vulnerable i mean you know because in a battle you could either win or you lose and if you lose you know obviously you could lose in an embarrassing way or you lose in a close battle but either way people are sitting there watching you judging you either cheering you or booing you when you know any one of those so that helped me be able to get on stage and perform in front of people for more for me it was more about knowing the songs making sure that i know him through the nervousness you know and so for us we did a lot of rehearsals in the early days just so that those first shows that we did that we were locked in and we made an impression and you know when we did that and we saw the results of how people were reacting to our show it gave me more confidence
so you know i'd i'd rehearse the songs in my head you know when i wasn't around the other guys i'd be kicking the songs and i'd be or be on a treadmill working out saying the songs you know getting them in my head and just gave me the confidence that i know this [ __ ] [ __ ] i go up there i'll rock this [ __ ] thing i'm not gonna forget it because that's always the problem for me it was never getting in front of people it was do i know my [ __ ] and now i know it in such a way that like you know it's it's second nature do i still get those nervous butterflies yeah for sure some shows depending who's watching who's on the side stage or how big the crowd is and and whatnot yeah i still get some of that but you know i i do a quick meditation before i go out there you know just in my head real quick and then our band prayer and then that's the that's the switch right there and we go and we're ready and it but it took me a while to get to that you know because it takes work it's like anything if you're an athlete if you're a boxer you're only going to get better by boxing all the time training all the time not over training but making sure that you're in there putting in the work and it's the same thing when you're rocking stages you know um a lot of us sometimes forget to go and put the time in and rehearse and you could see that when there's a sloppy show or someone's out of breath or they're not saying the whole line or they said the line wrong or they're changing up fragments of the song to make it easier for their performance and it doesn't necessarily fit that's when you know somebody ain't putting in the work but for us you know we always you know that was a part of the draw for cyprus that's how we won a lot of people over was the energy of our live show so um but it took that the rehearsals man and i would tell any artist coming up right now man before you start doing your shows you because you may get a hit like
that fast these days and you may be called to go do that show now if you don't do that show right and you suck as good as that song is you're never gonna sell tickets when they [ __ ] say hey so-and-so is performing at the you know this place ah [ __ ] that i'd rather just listen to the record he sucks life you know so rehearse man rehearse and then after that hey take you know do what you will but those they [ __ ] help man you know for your confidence on performing the song that's a wise thing to tell people man be a professional be a pro you can be a professional decide you're a professional put in that [ __ ] work that work does give you confidence and it works with fighting it works with comedy i'm sure it works with everything yeah man you got to be proficient professional ready professional and official at the same time what is the meditation that you do just the self-awareness you know what i mean like the the circular breathing you know and uh concentrating on that and in the moment and then you know just letting that clear my head you know i mean just focus focusing on the breathing i mean that's what they tell you pretty much in any meditation to focus on the breathing and all these things are going to come through your head but if you keep on focusing on that you know everything sort of goes away and your you're reset so you know i'll i'll do that when when i feel maybe some sort of anxiety before going on if i don't feel that i don't necessarily do the meditation i'll we'll just do the prayer and that sort of like you know sets it all in but yeah like some shows man i'll i'll have to like go in a room and just sit there and you know do the breathing man and it helps people might think what the [ __ ] is that going to do it's going to reset your mind and give you some clarity you know for me at least that's what it did what's the biggest crowd you guys ever performed in front of um i think the biggest was woodstock 94 i
think it was 93.94 and that was like 300 and 380 some odd thousand people that's so crazy oh my god we've done some big ones like country yeah this is a small european country we've done some like you know like at uh you know a hundred thousand people in huntington's video that jamie oh my god i gotta see this that's [ __ ] insane that is insane and that i just cut my hair right there i was like you know whoo oh my god see the little guy next to mugs he was our our our uh our miniature knockout guy he knew jujitsu taekwondo shotokan he trained with with my boy kenji and he was he was like he was like our unofficial security oh that's hilarious because unassuming right yeah he's a little guy i mean he even did uh he even did a few mma fights look at the size of that [ __ ] crowd that is insane i almost lost my [ __ ] right here because you know seeing 300 and some odd thousand people jumping around to your [ __ ] god you know it could give you some equilibrium problems because it looks like waves crashing into each other when it's that big i mean that's got to be one of the biggest concerts ever yeah anybody's ever performed in front of in north america for sure i mean in all of human history yeah it was one of the biggest how the [ __ ] i mean how do you get it more than 380 000 people together yeah that's it's probably only happened a few times it's it's crazy i mean every band they had on this this particular bill was huge at the time you know so it was yeah it was it was pretty crazy trying to just get there we like some of us had to get in through boat some of us had to get in through helicopter why because there's too many because they had started parking on the roads like the old school woodstock and they jammed up the highways and stuff like that they parked like they pretty much shut the [ __ ] down yeah and i went in through helicopter and some of the other guys went into the boat after that's when you know you're on top of the world you're flying into a
show in a [ __ ] helicopter and i'll tell you that's when you realize why you can't never get away from the cops when they're [ __ ] see everything well that's a funny thing man when you watch those dudes that are trying to escape from the cops on the ground and then you watch the cops in the helicopter the spotlight just stays in the car the entire time yeah look at that ariel that's yeah that's and that's just a piece of it right there and they had a rotating stage insane what do you do when you have to take a [ __ ] like how long does it take to get from the front row to the back i'll tell you we walked around in that [ __ ] right there and it was super muddy and crazy and people were like butt naked with mud smeared all over their [ __ ] bodies and it was like people went primal i swear to god there they go right there they have mudslide parties um oh man that looks awesome people made babies that day in their tent i'm sure they did for sure they did i yeah i'm sure there's a lot of people out there right now it was it was it was [ __ ] crazy man i gotta tell you there was there was people out there totally hippied out like straight up butt naked and you know and there was a good portion of them i mean not not in terms of the whole concert it was a small percentage but like you've seen just naked people walking around free out there it was crazy as [ __ ] we like like are we is this really happening [ __ ] man and then the mud was so thick man it was the type where like if you walked through it with your shoes and your shoes weren't tight or you weren't wearing boots it was sucking the shoe right off of your foot it happened to me a number of times hell in that show i jumped into the crowd because normally i would jump into the crowd and uh you know just be floating you know stage dive style but i would still be doing the song right and uh on that particular show they took
my shoes and socks i got back on stage with no shoes and socks and you know about 15 years later you know i had one guy with one shoe come to the show and [ __ ] have me sign it oh and then the other shoe some other some chick had it and had me sign it wow some years later so i caught up with both shoes what about the socks didn't catch up with the socks didn't catch up with the stocks but the shoes yeah caught up with them what do they have a limited amount of tickets for woodstock i mean what the [ __ ] do they do when you get that many people i think they probably started with some sort of limit and just became chaos and then it became chaos you know like that's something they couldn't handle i mean if you lived there and that [ __ ] descended upon yourself i know they were pissed off they had a break for like [ __ ] 25 years they had a break they sold 164 000 tickets but the crowd estimated size was five hundred and fifty thousand okay well [ __ ] that was too short two hundred thousand short oh my god yeah yeah i mean because the rest rushed the gate you know they they took the fence and you know took it down and they just [ __ ] rolled rolled on it i would imagine yeah it you know because when it's an event that everybody wants to get to they're going to find a way to it and and it's outside and it's outside yeah and with those numbers man that's just you can't stop that now no and it you know it's it's a great part of their history because i mean you know that one was a a good one where no one got hurt and there was no crazy uh no crazy [ __ ] happening like the next one after that i mean they had so what happened to the next one uh well [ __ ] they had uh a bunch of uh women say that they had gotten raped or molested at um at the one the following year um and uh there's fires and [ __ ] at the end yeah and then there was fires there was a whole bunch of people lost their [ __ ] mind with that one and they had some great bands too so you know it they don't do that anymore right woodstocks no that's the summer
they're doing it enough what are you doing you [ __ ] idiots move sell your house yeah do something do something it's crazy though because these are fires holy [ __ ] man yeah they had bonfires yeah i believe when little biscuit corn went on it was either limp biscuit or corn and the the fires just [ __ ] started people were pissed too because they were charging so much for water and like they couldn't they couldn't get to the bathrooms like you were asking like there was they didn't have the facilities set up as well yeah they didn't have uh adequate facilities for what what the [ __ ] was popping i mean you know uh you know a thousand christ look at the [ __ ] what it looks like after it's over listen a thousand andy gumps for five hundred thousand people is nothing you imagine you need like ten thousand handicaps yeah imagine being the dude who gets in there after five thousand i mean look at this taking a [ __ ] they they totally took over the [ __ ] the highway right there crazy they shut down the [ __ ] highway they just parked their cars they made yeah they made the highway the park it's crazy look at that yeah at least it was kind of orderly sort of sort of they shut down i'll tell you this though they were cold-blooded um the the organizers because look at the [ __ ] no that was so crazy it's like a these guys had some [ __ ] moxie i'll tell you that hey listen you know after every band was done with their set they expected you to leave right away because the next wave of bands was coming and they were getting your spot so like if you had a dressing room once your set was done you were expected to get the [ __ ] out so you got a helicopter out of there if if yeah it was best if you did because if you didn't take the ride when when it when you were supposed to you were getting stuck there they couldn't guarantee that they could give you the ride back to your [ __ ] after that you know because they had all the other bands to think of and they might not have room for you when they take the other band so yeah it was like yeah look at that [ __ ] picture oh my god oh my god oh yes that's what look it looks like pac-man oh my god that is
like pac-man [ __ ] stage right that's insane that picture is insane yeah it was that that's that's the one i'll remember the most i mean we've we've done some huge gigs but like that one by far you know never have we played for another 500 000 you know what does it sound like when 500 000 people scream much like that viking chant yeah i mean we had a small nation right there yeah legitimately like when you leave there and then you go do a regular gig afterwards does it feel weird uh yeah well it it depends but yeah i'm adjusting it it does take some adjusting you know especially if the next gig isn't as hype as that you're like [ __ ] we just came from woodstock but fortunately the smaller gigs that we had after that you know in terms of playing festivals they were like you know in between thirty thousand seventy thousand hundred thousand and we felt that that gave us such an experience that we can handle any [ __ ] stage so it became easier for us to do festivals after that and the reaction that we would get at these festivals were smaller versions of what we did there you know and uh it was it was a great experience because we had we had been doing like a couple european festivals before that so it sort of prepared us for that but we didn't we didn't i mean the [ __ ] numbers we were definitely not prepared for we're like whoa what the [ __ ] that's like that transcends reality yeah i mean listen we know that that's not our show they're not all there for us you know because it's a mixed bag right a bunch of different artists and you're winning over people if anything you're you're you're there playing for your your base of people that might have come to see you but you're winning everybody else over if you're doing it right and uh for us it was like a victory because we saw you know half a million people up there jumping up and down to all our [ __ ] and they knew the words and they were singing with us and
it you know it was like a a big notch under the belt and a boost for our confidence knowing that we can get in front of anybody play with anyone and get that reaction i mean because after that you know we were getting booked on metal um driven festivals and stuff where we're the only hip-hop on it but it's all straight up metal i mean we were playing shows um co-headlining under metallica right metallica cypress hill um uh biohazard death tones fear factory and and all that stuff you know what i mean and we'd be in that mix playing those festivals with those guys and with hip hop music and you know the boost that it gave us in the confidence it was like [ __ ] that we can play with any of these [ __ ] it doesn't matter who it is and and we went to those metal metal festivals with our hip hop and got metal reaction mosh pits stage dives everything what you know and and it felt good to be able to hang up there with them metallica i mean yeah what they do to a crowd is crazy but we realized that if we were playing on the same venue going before them we can in a festival form we can [ __ ] hang with anyone and and uh that's that pretty much put us over the top with doing festivals like yeah we're we're gonna [ __ ] rule this [ __ ] people are gonna have to people are gonna have to up their game when we're on that festival with them that's the way we took it i would imagine you couldn't sleep for days after that joe the adrenaline was crazy i gotta tell you the adrenaline was crazy like when you're in the helicopter leaving were you like what the [ __ ] just happened yeah we were we were tripping out man i mean we were like totally in awe of of the response that we got and the the the you know the enormity of the [ __ ] crowd man i mean it was [ __ ] huge just to be a part of something that's that i mean that's like something that no one there is ever going to forget we took it for granted i've got to tell you when we [ __ ] uh though well they want you to do okay we'll do woodstock whatever and and uh when we got there that's when we saw just how [ __ ]
crazy it was i think this yeah oh this is you yo they steal your shoes yeah they're good yeah they're good they're gonna start coming i have to hold my shirt forward so they don't get choked out and there goes there goes the first shooter they're about to take that first one so ridiculous what were you thinking when they were taking a shoot like god damn i was like oh [ __ ] there goes one shoe there goes a white sock yeah there goes the other suit that is so ridiculous and there is no [ __ ] security that can stop 500 000 people save all that [ __ ] no you're at the mercy of the fans somebody's gonna grab from my sock pretty soon that is so wild they're just stealing socks look at it it's still your pants hey listen you know they they they tried anybody grab your dick no you know they tried to grab the weed in my pocket sometimes you know when your adrenaline is kicking you're not really thinking you know what's in my pocket and [ __ ] like that but yeah you know throughout the i had chicks trying to grab my [ __ ] for sure of course for sure yeah that was a little you know crazy for me you know but it is what it is if you're going to stand close yeah you know [ __ ] like this happens right yeah i mean if you're going to stage dive you got to assume some weird [ __ ] is going to happen yeah i mean for me you know people were mostly respectful you know but they would go through my pockets to see if i had weed in one gravity or your pockets yeah i did i had some i had like an ounce of weed and one at one show and i jumped in and i totally forgot i had it in my pocket boom if i can took my goddamn weed like i hope you enjoyed that i bet they did absolutely no they did well they're rolling that joint this is be real weed man i know they do straight from california this is the real [ __ ] yeah california wheat to this day still holds up yeah i mean you got some good colorado weed there's some good weed all over the country but most weed is just it's like okay it's okay other places yeah colorado and
california and then the rest is kind of seattle's got real good weed seattle actually blow your [ __ ] mind they'll blow your mind yeah i gotta say oregon they'll blow your mind people have stepped up they're still behind california you know in terms of how much good weed there is here like i mean there's so much you know from north to south and in central cal there's so many different strains that are [ __ ] good right you go to other places and they have a few strains that are good but that's because they're still you know they're still trying to catch up in terms of knowledge and cultivation and stuff like that and and how to make the strains that they have you know it maximize the flavor and in in the high and all that stuff some have caught up and some are still lagging a little bit behind but i got to tell you man when this last trip i just had to vancouver i was just there um for 4 20. uh they had some [ __ ] that california boys would be like yo this is fire right here you know they had animal cookies that were really good wedding cake which is a strain that's you know popular here in cali you know via the jungle boys and and uh burner and stuff like that when they were when they were working together on exotics and uh and they also had this this joint called black diamond and trioctane and all of them man i i gotta say all of them burn sweet they tasted good they had that white ash that people are looking for now you know people think you know when they see white ash it's the purest um news flash even if it has a little bit of black ash it's still you know they're still you know people clean flush their roots you know what i mean it's just that some of the nutrients if you're using salts as your nutrients you know which most people are these days your ash comes out white if you're using nutrients that are already pre-made like an advanced nutrients and the others sometimes you know you might have a little bit of black ash because
some of the components into those nutrients doesn't mean it's not clean it just looks prettier when it's white but anyway these guys they're [ __ ] all white ash and the taste was [ __ ] beautiful and the high was definitely there and i gotta say guys in vancouver man they have stepped it up well they've been running weed through vancouver for a long time did you ever see that what was adam scorgie's documentary he had the culture high and then before that there was another one the documentary that was all about uncovering how much of vancouver's entire economy is based on marijuana and if you pulled it out like when they talk about uh the union that's it the business behind getting high um when if you pulled weed out of vancouver you took it out of their economy their economy would essentially collapse yeah i mean it's responsible for so many people being wealthy up there and it's so it was now it's 100 legal throughout the entire country yeah but back then in 2007 i was in that documentary that was 12 years ago it was just tolerated it was was weirdly tolerated where it wasn't legal but they didn't ever arrest anybody for it but there was a lot of gangsters a lot of hell's angels were involved a lot of dudes were selling weed and they had flashy diamond colored covered watches and [ __ ] there was a lot of that [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah you know it's still sort of um i mean you know listen the black market's always going to be you know anywhere especially right now that the taxes are so high to buy cannabis and to grow it and all that stuff everything that involves it it's pretty expensive right now so they're encouraging organized crime right in a certain way yeah which my point was you know when the corporations come in that [ __ ] comes down and then the black market has a bigger problem at that point because then prices of cannabis will come down um but you know it's always going to exist in in you know we sort of went through the same thing when when 215 came about here in
california where it was you know cops didn't know what the [ __ ] to do when they caught you with it they didn't want to do anything you know because they they knew as well as we were this [ __ ] is eventually going to be legal they don't want to be wasting their time and putting people in jail for for cannabis because you know there's other people that need to be in jail for real for real crimes um but um yeah i think what's happening in vancouver now is that now that it's legal yeah people are still making money and they're still you know they're still on top of the game but it's it's it's harder to make the money right now well at least well maybe not for canada because it's federally legal but you still got to jump through a number of hoops you know in terms of regulation and fines and fees and [ __ ] like that to operate you know and they're a little bit different than ours obviously we're not ours isn't like federal yet but uh i mean you know from what they were saying is that like you know in a few years all these companies will be making a whole lot of money right now they're making money but it's basically about survival getting past a certain time when all the all the legislation all the rules and all the regulations are finally set in place and they're not going to change from year to year like they yeah like they have been so you know well denver had it real weird for a while where they weren't allowed to use banks yeah you know like us yeah right now here in cali we can't use banks yeah what do they do with the so they ca can they use credit cards here they used to be able to yeah you can use credit cards um but realistically it's it's if you're making money from from cannabis in terms of if you're a cultivator or your uh or whatever if you're a business entity in the cannabis world they won't take your money if they know it's coming from the cannabis
cannabis culture right but you know in the last in the last two months they've you know forbes just put out a story about that the federal government is going to start allowing banks to uh to allow banking in the cannabis in the candidates it's not going anywhere they'd be crazy to not you're just leaving money on the table you're leaving a whole lot of money on the table california considers plan to encourage marijuana banking yeah and that and that just came out yesterday you know the forbes story came out like maybe last week or something but this is you know one of the residuals of it is that you know in places like california that we had problems with banking yeah that is no longer going to exist so now if you needed to expand your business or something you can get a business loan now or you can actually put your money in the [ __ ] bank you know whereas before you had to [ __ ] buy some sort of vault or some [ __ ] and keep it there and uh you know obviously that ain't safe because you got pirates out there still to this day trying to figure out okay where do they keep their money because it's not in the bank well when i was in colorado when it first became legal and they were having a real hard time they couldn't use credit cards it was all cash and they just had spec ops guys everywhere bulletproof vests just covered with guns just ready to rock at any moment's notice and they were worried that they were going to get you know yeah someone was going to try to take over the store and take all the money yeah i mean there's still issues that they got to worry about moving into the future in terms of transportation right you know because throughout throughout the history of doing any sort of business terms of products going from one side of the the nation to the other you know trucks get hijacked a lot yeah for electronics for any sort of goods so you know when you're transporting cannabis from state to state they're going to have to have that you know figured out too because there's you know people that are going to be trying to jack those trucks yeah and
hitting that into the black market you know what else is weird there's people that they post up on people's private land and start these gross these grow centers they put up a garden in people's land like i i've a friend who works on a ranch and uh in like central california and they were doing this run they were checking gates and uh checking fences for where the cattle are and they found like a [ __ ] acre of wheat what the [ __ ] is this and there were some dudes there they had campgrounds set up and [ __ ] and yeah it was like they were just they were cartel dudes they just like set up a spot yeah find a spot set up they don't know who [ __ ] owns it and if they you know they get dropped off there apparently i think if i remember the story they got the guys and the guys basically explained how it worked that they get dropped off and they get you know they leave them with seeds and this and that and then new guys come in every couple weeks or a couple months and they live there yeah just watch the weed until it grows to the point where they can cultivate it and then they move on after it's done yeah they do that all over the place oh yeah people find them in like state parks and forests and [ __ ] yeah they go hiking that's why it happens mostly up north and in central cal down here we don't really i mean the way they patrol the state parks is slightly different down here in the south they'll they'll catch that [ __ ] yeah i think that's why they did it at the ranch yeah because it was tohon ranch which is like 70 000 acres yeah it's a huge place yeah it's like uh i believe natives own that that ranch right yeah you can find to this day these stones where they ground up acorns where they have like a little like a pivot like a hole where they ground it up i took pictures of it and [ __ ] it's pretty cool because you got to think like that's probably a thousand years old yeah someone who's probably grinding acorns in there a thousand years a thousand years ago yeah i've never been up north to humboldt i've never been up to that area oh man it's it's uh it's unique there's a lot
of nice flavors up there um if you're in the glass a lot of good glass blowers out there that's a long standing weed culture oh yeah i mean that [ __ ] is generational right there from the 70s you heard about humboldt yeah and and i'll tell you man you know as quiet as as they've been in this cannabis culture you know you would think that that that be one place that's like celebrated and whatnot but i mean they still are coming up with you know incredible flavors down there you know in terms of uh you know breeding certain certain um certain strains and creating new strains and doing it outside you know like as they call sun grown or or a greenhouse you know which is not something we do here in the south in the south we we do hydro it's you know indoor because we don't have the same type of um moisture well we don't have the space neither you know the forestage and the moisture and uh you know we have we have insects that would eat those outdoor crops if they're not in a greenhouse you know what i mean like fruit worms and [ __ ] like that up there and you know up north after dark you know it gets cold so some of those those insects can't live in that that environment but in the south it doesn't get as cold as it does up there so they can live here so you know if you're going to do a greenhouse here it's got to be a greenhouse it can't just be outdoor exposed because they will get they will get [ __ ] with for sure those photos that i've seen of that area it's everything so [ __ ] green it's crazy it's like seattle almost yeah it's awesome man now we were just there not too long ago playing a show up in eureka look at this [ __ ] guy look at that guy in the middle of this forest of we yeah on a hillside no less you know it's not even a flat ground he's just he got it going yeah that looks like he's just in the woods yeah he just started growing it in the woods
that's crazy well i bet it has a different feel to it right out there with nature like i mean you can get straight too hippy too hippy-dippy but i would think that something that lives in nature with all those other trees and shits communicating with those trees oh yeah i i would think so i mean you'll probably get more of like a natural feel for the weed yeah they're probably that deer damn look at the weed plant the [ __ ] bushes jesus christ california blacktail right there columbia blacktail it's a big deer that is a big deer for that part probably eating the weed plants probably it's probably healthy as [ __ ] i mean if he's eating those seeds and [ __ ] you know easy yeah probably fertilizing some of that [ __ ] out there yeah for the longest time we used to have to get you know um i'm one of the owners of on it and when we made hemp protein we used to have to buy our [ __ ] from canada it was so stupid it was like this is so ridiculous you have to buy a hemp from another country yeah bring into this country stupid well that's going to change for sure yes well it's got to change i mean for for everything for clothing even building houses you ever see that hemp crete that [ __ ] they make it's like concrete yeah it's crazy it's lighter it's better it's got better insulation values it's harder to burn this is the type of [ __ ] that jack herrera was trying to tell people in emperor where no emperor wears no clothes yeah no that really was all this stuff that we we use today hemp can be you know the the alternative at a cheaper cost including plastic yeah biodegradable plastic all these people that are worried about plastic bottles and everything how bad they are for the environment hemp bottles you could make plastic at a hemp and it would be biodegradable yeah it sounds like horseshit there's so many things that you could do with weed that it sounds like you're making things it sounds like you're making it up but it's actual it's actual fact yeah and dude over the last like couple of months i've been [ __ ] around pretty heavily with cbd like every day oh yeah i've been taking this this is a it's a one in one it's 10 milligrams of cbd 10 milligrams of thc i take this
that's that's the perfect one in the morning one in the afternoon all day long all full of don't give a [ __ ] juice just there you go we all need that yeah man it's awesome it's an interesting time yeah you know for for someone who was you know used to have to hide it before yeah and you know that's the beauty of it now is that you don't have to hide it and people that used to you know you got people now that you never thought were smokers and you know now they're coming out and just being totally free with it and that's great man you know because that hemp laptop what the [ __ ] is that it might just be a cover but yeah that's pretty cool but how could it be a cover if it's like the usb ports and everything like that uh they have those like skin covers it could just be a look alike but it looks like it is they should make it i don't know yeah this is a miracle a part it is i got to agree it is it is well listen brother you're a bad [ __ ] i really appreciate you thank you brother forever for a long time so it's cool to get in here and uh we're going to hotbox this weekend we're going to get in that smoke box people been asking for you for a long time i gotta tell you and and i say this you know in some of the some of the smoke boxes you know like because it's the realest [ __ ] like we just had mike tyson in there you know and um how weird is it to smoke weed with mike that was i've smoked with him before and and i i've smoked with him on a couple separate occasions aside from there but one of the places that i smoked with him was at that [ __ ] leota machida rashad evans fight oh wow when we all left you know after the fight we were sort of uh getting to our cars and he ran into me and and my partner kenji and we were smoking the fat one right there and they'd be real let me get ahead of that i was like all right [ __ ] yeah champ here you go and and um you know we always knew he smoked out what was crazy about this interview real quick that i'll say it like because you asked me this in this interview like what did you do for the anxieties before like you know let's say you were going
to go on stage or do the [ __ ] right so i asked him that similar question i said you know as artists as athletes well before we're gonna go do our thing in front of a mass amount of people you get this nervous energy what did you do to you know deal with that and he said i used to get hypnotized before fights yeah you know and he was saying how he would the guys that work work with him would uh instill these certain words like calmness you know that would be a reoccurring word that they would do in the hypn you know in hypnotizing them before a fight so that he would always be calm in the fight and never fight desperate and always be in control of the situation no matter what happened and that's how he would you know get that nervous energy down and and be able to fight with such focus but the other interesting thing he said was that he never fought i mean he was smoking the whole time you know he's a big weed head since he was like 10 years old apparently but he said that he was smoking you know but not necessarily when he was training they would give him pharmaceuticals when he was training you know [ __ ] that he wouldn't feel nothing but he didn't have focus what kind of pharmaceuticals he said uh some of it was fentanyl some percocet some fentanyl wasn't even around back well it's a form of it you know like whatever yeah it was an opiate that was whatever the defense and all of that time whatever i can't remember what he called it but there was two or three prescription drugs that they would give him and he said he he wouldn't feel nothing he felt good like there's no pain no nothing but the focus that he had was was not not there right he said that he smoked weed in one fight like he smoked weed before one particular fight and and he used the wizonator to get through the urine test somehow he [ __ ] he says it in the interview and you know he said that the fight that he had where he was smoked out was with andrew
gulotta wow and he said he'd never had so much focus in a fight that it made him realize he should have been smoking weed through every goddamn fight because he focused on everything he was supposed to he said he broke um his cheek he broke his uh his cheek here he broke his orbital yeah he broke his orbital he broke a a rib and part of his back with a body shot just christ and he said you know that was the fight that was the one and only fight that he you know smoked out beforehand and andrew gulotta got he got the flatline he andrew golotta left the ring he was like [ __ ] this and andrew golotta had been through wars oh yeah man those riddick bow fights were crazy beaufights i mean because riddick beau was really good you know but um he didn't hit like mike no no no no no i don't think no one hit like mike if you look at like some of his early training oh crazy looks he was so crazy back then yeah if you look at some of mike's early training and his footwork it's almost like you know almost like a martial arts based the way that he attacked and then he shifts on his attack and his customato customato was a master yeah it wasn't until he he switched up and got rid of kevin rooney and you know where the destruction starts happening i think it was also his you know his life was just too crazy it was just too crazy no one could manage that from the time when he's 20 to you know by the time he retired i mean it was probably just a whirlwind of chaos and it's crazy because he realizes that like looking back at it and he says that he doesn't train anymore because it awakens a beast yeah i know he said that it made me nervous right because it said it because he said that to you too right yeah yeah yeah because because i was watching you know your interview with them and uh one of our guys that was in the back seat asked him hey do you ever train do you ever you know he's like nah i don't do that no yeah he goes every now and then i get on the treadmill and i do with him running on the treadmill but that's it i would imagine that if he got back in training he'd get in shape
real quick oh i'm sure but you know it would awaken a beast yeah they're like you can't quit you can't quit he's like [ __ ] you [ __ ] you youtube rounds he just got up and left he's like pushed that guy away he's like you're not feeling these punches he knew something was wrong well he knew his rib was broke well his eyeball was broke too yeah is uh look they try to put the mouthpiece hey put it in it's lou duva yes luke duval who is that guy he looked like lou do it for a second yes i mean you could tell his [ __ ] face is busted right there it didn't look fairly normal but i'm sure it felt like [ __ ] you know like it doesn't swell up real bad until later listen you know if andrew golota you know who's been in wars you know with riddick beau and other fighters like he he was a no slouch if he's telling you i've had enough of this [ __ ] well let him go cause he knows yeah once they found out that his back was broken and his face was broken they're probably like oh okay sorry yeah i mean they think about that his corner guy was like trying to put his mouthpiece back in oh it's so stupid once a guy doesn't want to fight you can't make him fight more i mean it's like he's already flipped that switch inside of his head you know what i told mike that he didn't realize this is the last thing because i know we both got to go but i said do you know that all the dudes you fought to get to that title including you know the dudes that you know that that you took titles from they all stopped fighting after you beat them none of them wanted to come back and get nothing they didn't want no part of that heavyweight title after that he retired so many boxers oh yeah he doesn't even realize that bruce seldon tony tubbs go down the line all of them he didn't retire larry holmes larry holmes wait until he went to jail and he's like i'm gonna come back yeah that's the only guy bow crusher smith yep yeah tyrell biggs biggs he definitely retired television and they were rivals at one point in time yeah he [ __ ] tyrell
pretty good leon speaks yeah yeah michael yeah you know what i had this title too long yeah that's a wrap yeah enough check please and he he told me just like i was like you know what i didn't even realize that yeah man you know what he did he retired a lot of people so we all saw it he was a force of nature yeah and i told him the other thing i told him real quick too was that you know like that explanation that he had on his documentary where he as he's come into the ring he knew he had to fight one yeah he could see it in their eyes and then once he steps into the ring he's a god they're done right and i told him you know i was at that bruce selden fight and um i saw exactly what you explained in bruce selden because bruce eldon was knocking fools out left and right he was like a really good heavyweight the minute he got in there with mikey fan boyed out tasted that glove didn't want no more yeah it was an experience it wasn't just that you were fighting a guy who knew how to fight but you were fighting mike tyson he was this your idol he was this thing this cultural phenomenon he was thought to be at that time everybody was thinking he's the greatest heavyweight of all time just a destroyer yeah no one had an answer for him no you know selden seldon he pretty much you know he was a fan that was his idol and he he got totally got rocked he was so huge at the time that when buster douglas beat him even though i knew he beat him i watched the fight afterwards i couldn't believe it i'm like this is he's going to get up yeah bruce ellen look how jack bruce held him once yeah he's a big boy man that [ __ ] tank yeah and he was he was knocking people out and he looked 29 knockouts and he was fighting good guys oh yeah because i was the wba heavyweight champion yeah i mean i followed his career too you know what i mean and yeah he totally fanboyed out on mike man mike well look at the stare down you see him in the stair down you're looking at that yeah it's like oh no you made a tremendous mistake from getting married to this mistake bro look at that look how much
bigger seldon is dude he's a big boy bro he wasn't taking none of that [ __ ] tyson's footwork and his ability to close the distance and bobbing and weaving i mean it was like there was nobody before him like that no man there'll never be another guy like that he has a heavyweight he was just so fast too because realistically the guys who trained him yeah they had a certain technique and nobody uses it well it was not just that it was what mike talked about in the podcast about being hypnotized yeah i mean from the time he was a little boy and you know the fact that he had nothing before that everything was his life was [ __ ] it was all pain and suffering and poverty and then all of a sudden some guy comes along and rescues him and takes him teaches him out a box and then all of a sudden he gets recognition and and positive feedback and he felt like he was something special boom he [ __ ] hit that canvas oh yeah yeah he didn't want it i got we kind of forget sometimes what it was like watching those fights till you go back and watch them now i mean there's there's amazing fighters right now like the like terence crawford who just won uh saturday night amazing amazing boxers but what mike was was something he was something completely different yeah he was something that like transcended sports like everybody wanted to see him fight you know if you believed in conspiracy theories right he didn't even hit him right there he just fell on purpose right if you believe in conspiracy theories right you think about it like this right mike was knocking guys out in the first round and people were paying a whole lot of money for for tickets and pay-per-view you know when you look at it it looks like they were trying to slow his roll and put in a guy like evander holyfield who was a brawler he could box but he could brawl and take the fight 11 rounds and you know make it a [ __ ] great pay-per-view where mike would totally ruin the pay-per-view and knock your ass out in a minute and when you look at it the way boxing was for such a long time i wouldn't put it past it that you know a lot of the [ __ ] that happened to him
was manipulated so that it would slow his role what what what kind of [ __ ] like what do you mean well you know the people that he had around him i mean you know certainly around him he took all his his his people that he trusted away from him put different trainers in his corner different people that were influenced in him and it just took him backwards man and and all the people that actually helped got him there were [ __ ] gone and those were the guys that was actually giving him guidance as to you know how to conduct yourself be a man and and all that stuff and he got around the vultures man and they and to me i think don king being don king he stood more money he stood a chance to make more money with someone taking out the fight you know 11 to 12 rounds as opposed to one well he just he gave mike the worst deals ever too yeah and the whole thing was terrible he stole money from him to this day mike hates him yeah and that's all terrible anyway thank you my man thank you i'll see you in a couple of days yeah for sure right i'm looking forward to it right now bye everybody [Applause] [Music] [Music]