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the jurogan experience you want your name to be called one time and that's what the announcement says refereeing this fight is such and such you don't want any complaints other than that because we know it's a lifetime opportunity for these fighters we don't want to do anything negatively to affect them so that's a good thing well it's such a difficult job because in impul you have an impulse like you don't know when to stop like is it now is he okay is he gonna be okay like sometimes fights get stopped early and it is the worst feeling when a guy is kind of rocked but then someone stops the fight and then the guy complains and that the crowd's like boo and you're like it's you know what's weird because our philosophy and you know i primarily work with two of the commissioners nevada state athletic commission in california two of the top commissions in the world you don't want to fight to go too long to risk long-term injury for the fighter so there's that philosophy of maybe stopping a fight one punch too early versus one punch too late your goal is to stop it right on time but it takes a lot of hard work to get to that point depending upon the history of the fighter you know their ability to come back and you know you got to make that subjective determination right away when is the time to stop that fight but man it's the worst feeling in the world if you think you get to that point you let it go too long or if you mistakenly stop it too early oh god it's a hard feeling and trust me such a difficult job it's so much harder than anything other than fighting like everybody else is like judging is kind of hard but they kind of they can hide like you're on tv that's right you know you're right there if it happens and if it's you that makes a bad call like all the the hate comes your way and you know you got to kind of stay away from you know some of the social media criticism because you got someone there that may not understand the detailed you know specifics of how we officiate and

what we do and you're going to have critics not tell everybody going into a fight fans are going to hate you or love you half of the fans are counting for a fighter in the red corner half accounts for fighters in the blue corner and depend upon the call you make it may be the referee's fault it may be the judge's fault but your goal is to go in there and being as objective as possible and fighter safety is always number one yeah and some guys just want to see people get beaten almost to death they they don't want to to be stopped even if the guy is covering up and in a turtle they think they should they shouldn't stop the fight if you stop a fight while somebody is standing up you're just going to get crucified for that so well there's a call like with max holloway and calvin cater there was a lot of people thought you could have stopped that fight standing up but herb was like not quite and i think it was the right call he gave them but it was touch and go you could tell he was looking at calvin very carefully and there's that you know you obviously go to there's no one better than john mccarthy and herb dean right doing this for so long that's the goal so their eye of what they're looking at and also it comes down to intelligent defense yeah that's not just holding your hands up that needs to translate into doing something offensive and if you could tell that a guy is listening to your verbal commands and he's doing something to fight back as long as he's showing some good cognitive skills and showing something offensive where he's not looking at long-term injury there's a possibility of him letting that fight go but man if it's starting to stem on a 10-7 round where the fighters just get destroyed and they're going to get hurt now it's our responsibility to step in with fighter safety yeah it's it's a like i said it's a very difficult job but you do it well you do

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