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the jurogan experience are you aware of the controversy surrounding the male mona lisa do you know the story about this the melalesa no no yeah it's um there's the most expensive painting ever sold it was sold for 400 million dollars to uh the bin salam what is it excuse what is his name muhammad bin salam the am i saying his name right the head of saudi arabia mbs okay what is his actual name though i'm sorry i think you were close i [ __ ] it up it's probably brian saunders muhammad bin salam no chris salman yes okay the mbs the the head of saudi arabia bought it for 450 million dollars this is it and the crazy thing is someone bought it at one point in time in the past i want to say for fifteen hundred dollars and they didn't realize that it may or may not be because this is where it gets controversial may or may not be the work of leonardo da vinci so it was it was restored so do the history of this the controversy in the history about it yeah there's a great there's a crazy history to it um where someone bought it for an extremely low amount then a russian oligarch bought it for over a hundred million dollars see 1 175 at an attic sale in new orleans for a dirty painting that he hadn't even seen after a painstaking restoration i think took a decade some began whispering that it might be the by the master himself so an art dealer in 2005 paid one 1 175 dollars for it so 16 years ago someone paid a thousand 175 dollars for the most expensive painting ever sold so then this guy go down scroll down i can't get this um there's a bunch of other articles that are free that you could read about it but it's uh it's a crazy story so this this person i believe started working on it in 2005. started the restoration and then by the time i think it was around 2015 they started realizing like
holy [ __ ] because i guess sometimes in the past someone would take a great painting and they would paint over it yes which is crazy yeah and so then there's this insanely painstaking restoration project where you're removing layer upon layer upon layer what sixty dollars this was sold for in 1958. sixty dollars so it gets even crazier yeah this is an article from 2017 where it was on auction for even less than it was just sold for it yeah so it was knocks for 100 million then and that's when it was bought by the russian oligarch before mbs bought it so is the controversy that the person who originally bought it should get a kickback because now you know the value no here's the controversy the controversy is it may not be by leonardo da vinci at all i see and or it might be partly by da vinci and so google this there's a scan of the image and i don't understand the technology involved in the scan but the scan apparently revealed that there's more than one era of painting or there's more than one application of painting meaning that more than one person worked on it at more than one time like an exquisite corpse it's hidden withdrawal so this might not no no this doesn't reveal it this is not it it's it's about there was a digital scan of that painting what is it called again it said male mona lisa i don't know it's right there's another name for it okay there's a there's a name for that painting i forget what it is but salvator mundi mundi yeah salvatore so when they did the scan there's something about the hands and the way the paint is done on that in relation to the rest of it that it's like you know they're talking about like [ __ ] microns they're measuring depth and layers and age and all sorts of different [ __ ] and they're trying but well you're dealing with 450 million dollars for a [ __ ] painting jesus so it gets down to this dispute there's a long page about it okay see if you can see this
the images because there's images of the uh the analysis if you scroll down it's a beautiful painting yeah it's very beautiful but there's there's images is that what it used to look like on the right i think that's what it used to look like and then they slowly but surely restored it to the point where it's at now um was that what it looked like so versions of it people would yeah there's more than one version of it so people would buy paintings like you know 100 years ago 500 years ago and just [ __ ] start scribbling on it paint over it yeah so they had to go over these things to restore them like insanely painstaking like i said it took like 10 years to to restore this i see i see they're doing like this this is a what do you call a cross section yeah analysis yeah wild [ __ ] yeah because they have to find like what is the original paint color so they have to find the original layer exactly so that's what it used to look like imagine that and then they bring it from that to what you see now like look at that wow crazy so what does that mean then do they paint over it like how do they do that i mean does someone paint over the old paint and make it look better is that better like isn't it better to be scratchy and all [ __ ] up and the original painting i know i know it's it's yeah i guess it just depends on what you want right i mean but that's the problem with this painting so after all that after buying it for 450 million dollars it's currently in controversial dispute as to whether or not it's actually the work of leonardo da vinci makes sense they he they wanted him to uh donate it to the louvre in paris yeah but they were like we're not going to put it next to the mona lisa he wanted it to be next to mona lisa as the male mona lisa mona lisa the male model so they're like they're like we don't we don't we're not going to give this the red stamp we
don't even know if this is real wow yeah interesting yeah it's just oh man could you imagine that that feeling of being rejected like that and you're like imagine exactly you're that guy i mean this is the guy that allegedly killed uh khashoggi yeah yeah for criticizing his regime yes um and have you ever seen that movie the dissident which is an incredible movie but brian fogle that details all the the the events that took place oh no i haven't seen that crazy but so he's the one that's in possession of this painting and now it's currently on his yacht so this 450 million dollar painting is on his yacht and so art fanatics are like you can't have a painting on a yacht like that that's for not just that that can the climate like to have these right the sea water yes to have these paintings i mean maybe he only had it for a day or maybe he only had it like to tell everybody he had it there yeah he actually has it in a like a human yeah i imagine he would i mean come on i don't know i mean he's falling out of his mind he's buying 450 million dollar paintings he might be paying on it right now but that's nothing that that's nothing he might do whatever he wants he can do whatever he wants if you've got the kind of money for a 450 million dollar painting but it might not be it might not be legit and apparently so i go down a rabbit hole apparently there is a massive market for illegitimate paintings and people get robbed all the time and there was in fact a guy who was a master there's i believe there's a documentary about him who there's a big one on netflix about this right now i thought that's what you're getting like the master forgers well there was a guy who was that was his trade what he would do was make fake picassos so he would make his own work but in the style of picasso and they would
claim that this was a lost picasso wow and he sold these things for millions and millions of dollars this is the netflix one this lady got made you look they found she was selling fake [ __ ] for a long time oh okay i didn't i messed a lot of people off i've not seen that one but there's a guy who was he did time and he got released eventually and he did time for creating fake masterpieces and it's really crazy because the guy was insanely talented right his art was magnificent right right right but it wasn't for michelangelo but he conned people yeah yeah i mean the art was great but he conned people but it was it's it's weird it's like it's so my uncle said this to me once this is really a funny thing because when i was a kid i would pretend i brushed my teeth right but i i really didn't brush my teeth and my uncle uh my uncle vinnie who's a really interesting guy he's a very creative guy as an artist and he said it's funny because i used to do the same thing but once eventually i realized i put so much effort into pretending that i brushed my teeth that i could have just brushed in my teeth with that same amount of effort and i wouldn't have to pretend and i thought about my god damn he's smart catch new episodes of the joe rogan experience for free only on spotify watch back catalog jre videos on spotify including clips easily seamlessly switch between video and audio experience on spotify you can listen to the jre in the background while using other apps and can download episodes to save on data cost all for free spotify is absolutely free you don't have to have a premium account to watch new jre episodes you just need to search for the jre on your spotify app go to spotify now to get this full episode of the joe rogan experience