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the jurgen experience this idea this concept is so fantastic to me to take elite elite grapplers and pay them for matches and then stream it online and flow grappling is doing this and they're very successful a lot of jiu-jitsu people are tuning into these things and and you know it's really become a hit um a true key in the development of any sport is some kind of uh organization which showcases it uh for mixed martial arts it was the ufc and grappling always struggled with uh the idea of showcasing the skills of the athletes there were local shows uh when when you and i started youtube through the crazy local shows where people would just informally come in and compete against each other but there was nothing that had any kind of overall vision or sustained program over time and that i believe is what flow grappling is trying to do here they're trying to give something a grappling version of what the ufc has done for mixed martial arts and the athlete pay is improved dramatically over earlier years and athlete exposure is massively improved so it's a very encouraging thing and the productions excellent yes it's really good it's a great commentary it's great it's something where you could take someone who didn't know much about grappling a friend of yours invite them over and watch it together and they'll be hey that's an impressive sport like as you said the production looks like it's a legitimate sport as opposed to like going to the local high school on a saturday and watching you compete and um yeah in that fashion well one of the things that's made the sport more palatable is the approach that your athletes take and many other athletes are following suit is that it's a very submission based approach instead of just trying to score points because i think there's been a
problem with these rule sets where i mean even though abu dhabi has done an amazing job of showcasing elite grapplers there's something weird about their scorses systems so the first was it first five minutes there's no point that's great yes and then the next five minutes you score points so you get guys stalling out for five minutes so you almost guarantee a boring five minutes unless you have some sort of marcelo garcia attacker who just just dives on submissions and goes after it right away which is not the norm the norm is points based guys who are just trying to win that's correct um as a general rule you know athletes are smart and they want to win so they will as a general rule always try to find the least risky way of attaining victory and doing the minimum amount of work in order to get to a win and yet the the spectators are demanding something else they're demanding entertainment and in the sport of jujitsu the most entertaining thing you can do is to push the action towards submission holds and submissions function and grappling the same way a knockout punch does in boxing and it's the most desired result it's also the most impressive result if you think joe back to when you first started jiu jitsu what was its primary appeal well i think for the overwhelming majority of practitioners of judas it was the idea of submission i think that's the only appeal yeah i don't think you could ever say anybody i find it appealing to win on points yeah it's even worse on advantage yeah just wrestle if you want to do that yeah um when you look at jujitsu what makes it remarkable is the idea that it's a form of grappling where the outcome is determined in a way which it's understandable to anyone it's it's surrender you make someone surrender to you like um as impressive as uh judo wrestling rs sports the mechanism by
which they win in judo's case the epon throw they do have submissions in judo but they're much less emphasized um and in wrestling at pin they're not as decisive like you know it's easy to imagine someone who got pinned with their shoulders on the mat for three seconds but came back to win the fight that's not a difficult thing to conceive of it's easy to conceive of someone who got thrown pretty hard and still kept fighting in one but when you surrender that that's you saying i quit it's over and that's the most definitive form of victory possible in any form of grappling and that i think was the true appeal of jujitsu the further you get away from the idea that judicial is about control leading to submission the less interesting the sport becomes and um we must do as much as possible to push athletes towards that that that form of uh that expression of jujitsu don't just win by the minimum amount to get the job done but go the extra distance and try to win by submission now you just mentioned the name of marcelo garcia he was one of a handful of athletes you see hodger gracie was another who at a time when the rule set didn't demand it went out of their way to go the extra distance and fight from beginning to end for submission and what do you notice about those athletes they're legends they're legends they're loved to a degree which all those other athletes and don't forget they both lost okay they both had their losses they weren't undefeatable but they're legends because of the way they fought as much as for the victories themselves yeah they represented true jiu-jitsu they represented the ideal of control to submission and there's a sense in which athletes have to understand if you want to build a brand in jiu-jitsu you can't just go with that minimalist
approach of do enough to win be happy with that and you have to go into expressing the ideal of jujitsu now the natural response on the part of many organizers is to try and create rules which force athletes against their will to go the extra distance that was the intention in adcc the abu dhabi approach they they took away points in the first five minutes so that athletes would be encouraged to go for submission holds now some of them were but as you correctly pointed out most of them weren't they actually used it not as a means of encouraging submission but actually avoiding any form of contact and making for a very boring first five minutes in many cases so what i truly believe is that it's there's never going to be a rule set which forces athletes towards submission the way it's going to change is through culture it's got to come i believe from coaches creating a culture where athletes strive for a higher ideal in jiu-jitsu which is control to submission rather than minimum advantage or points to score a win and be happy it's got to come from a training room culture rather than rules a good athlete can always game the rules to get the minimum method of victory there's always a way like just as a lawyer will find any interpretation of a of a law in order to get the result they seek so too an athlete can find any interpretation of the rules to get to the minimum win so it's not going to come from rules they've tried in the past and it just hasn't worked in fact it's actually had some negative connotations as you pointed out so it's got to come from a training room culture and that's what i try to do with my squad catch new episodes of the joe rogan experience for free only on spotify watch back catalog jre videos on spotify including clips easily seamlessly switch between video and audio experience on spotify
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