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[Music] joshua talk to me what's happening what's happening is i've uh i've wandered into some sort of a strange portal has transported me here to this this wooden galaxy filled uh i don't know i mean bunker uh starship uh it's just a studio but you brought with you warmaster damn right i did yeah i love this stuff how did you so you helped develop this with this uh company uh yes to a degree um did you like give them like taste parameters uh we were yes cheers hey cheers skull good to see you i told myself i was going to take a while off of drinking after this weekend actually uh part of the development of the whiskey prior to doing a single barrel product was um doing a lot of tasting with cigar clubs by our original head distiller so this part of the creation of this was also what would be the best bourbon to go with a cigar oh this is perfect because it's got smoky like a smoky essence to it how do they do that do you know how they do that i saw a video yes well what we do is we take i thank you we take uh 75 of our 75 uh corn mash bill and we smoke it uh in a in a a big uh shipping container on these racks there you go now you're up and then after three days we then take all that smoked corn take it back to the distillery and then we will mill it with um the 25 roasted corn out of that 75 percent corn mash bill and then we mill it with also a 25 malted barley or malted rye and we mix it all together we get our mash going and uh then starts the process of fermentation and the company warbringer had they been around for a while like did you know them and then you decided to do this with them i did not know of them they reached out to me
and uh i was actually in the process of uh of trying to to work with a distillery to do whiskey because you know i started to see a lot of this stuff popping up with celebrities slapping their name on these different things and i have been someone who's a connoisseur of whiskey for a long time and i wanted to do it but i wanted to do it in a way that i felt was legit yeah it's hard because people come with you to you with uh whiskey that they've made and they're like hey i want you to try this and you're like yeah yeah well there is there's plenty of that whiskey has been a an incredibly fast growing market at this point and the shelf space right now is getting pretty full up it's also it's it's hard to make it takes a long time to do it right it does like buffalo trace ages their [ __ ] for eight years it's one of the reasons why it's so good well and the thing is buffalo trace has a rick house full of thousands of barrels to choose from to do whatever they want with when you're a startup or let's say say a craft distillery like us if we have 30 barrels sitting around we're pretty happy you know it just it it takes a lot to get this stuff going it takes a lot of little subtle things which yeast you're using you know how long your fermentation cycle is and then as it all goes to that distillation run the low rhine the low wine run the stripping run is is important but that's pretty much full tilt you're not really looking for anything in particular other than just watching what the level of alcohol you're getting out of it is and what that yield is but then on that second distillation run where the where the real juice comes from you got to make your cuts at the right place you want to avoid getting a bunch of heads and you don't want a bunch of tails but you don't want no tails because some of those volatiles or higher esters will interact in the barrel in ways that come out really pleasant
but as you initially taste it it might you know put a little what you feel is like some slight taint to what you're doing but now it's all it's all processed and the thing is you can't rush any of it is whiskey like uh like wine where you want to like let it sit open for a while does it change the flavor it does and in fact i tell people if you really like it smoky as [ __ ] add water to it or ice that brings the that essence of smoke i believe it brings some of the oils up to the surface and it makes it even smokier if you want it less smoky put no ice in it no water and then before you drink it let it sit for five minutes and it opens up a little bit and as you're sitting there it will generally tend to get creamier a little buddy more buttery less smoke hit in the front it never loses all of its smoke because this is a really smoky stuff but you know as it sits as it gets as time gets to it and oxygen gets to it it will change the nose and the palate the nose and the palace sitting here you know getting punched in the face all the time talking about noses and palettes your nose is in remarkably good shape well i mean considering it looks like mulholland drive it doesn't look that bad i mean there's a lot of guys who have way more jacked noses than you this is a long career fighting i will let them have that they can they can have that title you know this nose is uh when they when she the gal was swabbing me uh i'm thinking well try don't try to go up in this one because it's all broken up so bad you can hardly get a swab up that thing are you ever going to get them fixed yeah i think at some point dude it changed my life i got i did it when i was 40. i had my uh deviated septum fixed and all i could think of was god why didn't i do this when i was younger it's so much better i know why i haven't and that's just simply because i figure i'm just going to bust it up again i'm sure and uh even though um you know fighting really is winding down it ain't completely over yet with me so i want to try and get every last
drop of opportunity out of that and then walk away from it because it's not a kind of thing where you're like oh you know actually i feel like no you don't too late it's gone right it's over with so how old do you know 44. how many years i think you got little scrapping left uh i don't know maybe two or three but i ain't gonna spend two or three probably it's it's so much different for heavyweights you know heavyweights uh traditionally physically mature later whereas like if you were a flyweight at 44 yeah you you're the fact that you've probably slowed down quite a bit is going to make a huge difference to you where as a heavyweight you the last thing you're going to lose is power and lack of speed is not inherently going to um cost you out there in the ring george foreman but even at heavyweight there's not a ton of guys who are 40 right plus that were able to relaunch their career and go out there and win a world title george is really the only one if you really think about it he's like the number one but but even holyfield was still competitive uh although not now obviously but that thing now when he did with a vtor was real weird yes because first of all he took it on short notice which is a terrible idea when you're almost 60. exactly you know and i know evander had been training and gearing up for a fight with mike tyson and he you know he looked half decent on the mids but much better later than he did earlier and you see him early in the first few videos that he posted it looked like he really hadn't worked out in a while and it was really knocking the dust off and getting the old engine lubed up again and then as time went on he started looking pretty good but then to take a fight an actual fight on i think it was like two weeks notice right uh that sounds about right um because vitor was supposed to fight who was he supposed to fight uh roy jones was it that's right so here it was roy jones no i feel like it wasn't roy jones it was like
vitor is still [ __ ] fast man and he still hits hard and this is trtv tour yes this is this is a uh really to me this is is basically youth versus age and it was such a disparity that even the technical expertise and that that boxing experience that is far and above vitor yeah it didn't matter well has always been a fairly decent place yes for sure for for mma has been an amazing yes and this isn't to diminish vitor but no you know he's got to do everything you're evander holyfield you've been the olympics you've only boxed your entire career his knowledge of the sweet science is going to be at an extreme level oh that's right oscar de la hoya oh he's right he caught cove yes yes he didn't just catch cove but he caught a case of bad acting like you know that was nuts when he was like in the hospital really quickly all of a sudden like coming out of everything of me catching kovid like maybe he just has a catheter fetish is that what they do they give you a catheter i don't know maybe maybe he was hoping for it he's like you know what covet has has made my urethra uh swell so that i can no longer urinate can you please jam something up it i'm trying to think if i've ever had a catheter i think i must have since i've had a few surgeries i have never other than a roll-on one for doing the baja 1000. oh really you just basically put on like this little condom and then you roll the you take the line you run it down the side of your leg and you put it off the back end and off to the side of your your shoe your boot so that way when you're driving a little crack on the floorboard when you if you pee it just goes out the car oh wow that's genius because you ain't stopping yeah no that makes sense you ain't stopping somebody should have told that to well the remember that lady the astronaut wore a diaper to go kill her boyfriend's uh wife right yes yeah she drove like many states across state lines like duct tape and pepper spray and this pitch was motivated oh just
shows you you can be an astronaut and still be a crazy [ __ ] that's true also um don't [ __ ] with crazy women no but they get your ass the problem is they're sometimes the most fun uh yeah that's the problem no it is a problem that's a huge problem but you just you need to realize when you got to stop yeah you got to know what's like fun is not necessarily good for you yeah you know it's not necessarily a bad idea if you bring someone home to take like a really long convoluted complex route so i get it but most people are not that machiavellian they don't they don't think that way ahead now me i might i would think that way but you know hey and look maybe if you find a girl that that's that that that is that machiavellian ah maybe a merrier i don't know well the crazy ones are the ones that are going to drop the pen yeah definitely generally yeah generally yeah they're going to make sure they come back well they're going gonna leave panties behind oh man no no no crazy people in my life anymore i mean mma and pro wrestling is crazy enough but yeah no no i i decided that it was probably better for for my health insanity to to be with someone that's just plain awesome yeah and call home and and is not interested in dropping pins and doing crazy [ __ ] girlfriend seems very nice she is like you've got a perfect awesome i couldn't be happier oh that's nice to hear yeah so how many times you've done the baja just once bud brutzman that's my buddy bud oh yeah so bud hits me up on short notice and he's just like hey what are you doing uh actually i was at 10th planet in uh downtown working with a mirror um i think it was no alarm oh my mom and um because uh for a while there all the bigger guys from eddie school were training a lot with me and i was cornering them on a lot of the things they were doing so uh i'm sitting there and i get this call from bud and he's like what are you doing like i'm just training you want to do the baja yes by the way i've never done any off-road
racing only only like road racing and drag racing and so i'm like but i know this is a completely different animal but yeah sure why not when oh thursday it's monday that's such a big where do i gotta be you know and uh it turned into a [ __ ] adventure and a half uh explain the baja for people that don't know what's involved because it's a crazy race they're in the baja peninsula there is the baja 500 and 1000 and the 1000 being the granddaddy of them all it's one of the most uh prestigious off-road races in the world it's also one of the most dangerous and they have two ways of doing it one is they do a circle or they set it up where you start off an ensenada uh generally and then you'll you'll head down south you'll make a loop and you'll come on back and then the other aspect they have is it just goes in a meandering line all the way down to a thousand miles from where you started so for the time i did it i was part of a team and i think i jumped in the car second or third me and uh and uh jesse combs rest in peace so we ours went from ensenada to uh i believe la paz just one you know off-road shot all the way down there and basically you're off in the wilderness in the wilds i mean there are you can see the remnants of courses and things like that but some of the stuff just gets made as it goes and uh there's also a lot of people that do what's called pre-running so they'll go out there and they'll they'll map out the track and all that and they will mark all the hazards and they'll get used to it because you know there's a lot on the line with the baja 1000 and you have if you've got the money especially you'll have a trail team that'll travel down the highways and then can intersect with you at different points to do your driver changes is it a thousand kilometers like what is it i think it's a thousand miles a thousand miles and uh wow um you you get out there and you're in the
middle of nothing and you could be i remember we jump in the car at four o'clock in the morning pitch black lights are on slap you on the helmet put your [ __ ] on bye and we're already going 50 60 miles an hour in the middle of nowhere in brush and i'm looking at a gps and looking up ahead there's no windshields in any of this stuff because that would just get dirty and then you'd get blind so you wear your helmets and you sit on microfiber like mitts and things to just clear your face off as bushes cacti whatever dust dirt silt is flying through that into the cabin and hitting you uh you've got electrolyte drinks that are in a little um like a camel set up that you can go and you know take a drink while you need that where you're in the car you've got your catheter set up to to urinate uh and away you go and it's pitch black all you can see is what the lights are showing and i'm just going well you know what tight butthole i guess but there ain't no turning back now and uh and we were in a class six vehicle which was it was like a dune buggy with um a subaru boxster motor in it but the thing did top out at like 98 miles an hour on a back road just going straight just hauling ass four gears and it's it's pretty hairy i mean when you when the sun starts coming up though and you're on you're going 30 miles an hour along the side of this rock ridge on this cliff with like a 40-foot drop off to your right but you're seeing the sunset coming up the sunrise over the of the mexican uh skyline and it is just insane but also people like to do things like create hazards on purpose and then film them for youtube so put a jump where one wasn't put a hole or one wasn't uh put a cactus right in the middle of the course perhaps i mean it's just crazy [ __ ] yeah that's
what i kept stuff like this happens uh i can tell you from experience i've i rolled our vehicle over not that bad thankfully someone came by pulled us over away we went really yeah we just blew all the oil out that it spilled uh you know in in through the exhaust and just ran it smoke boom bye wow away we went and called those trophy trucks now the trophy trucks you hear them before you ever see them and those dudes are going 150 miles an hour 100 and i don't know how fast they get but you know they're all like 10 000 rpm small blocks and [ __ ] just freaking flying and you will hear them from you can hear their engine and then as they start coming up behind you they start hitting these sirens and stuff to tell you to get the hell out of the way and if you don't they will come up run up to right behind you and then bump you right out of the way just shove you right off the road and keep going but you watch him hit these whoopty whoops and the suspension's just going where we're all we're doing this kind of thing right we got to go over them let up get all that up get on as we're going and we're going and the trophy trucks just run like right over the top of them like they were nothing there and uh is that a trophy truck yes wow look at b.j baldwin uh another dude who loves shooting like we do but is it i'm saying trophy truck uh uh racer yeah yeah he's badass those those trucks look insane they are absolutely those are stupid and they're automatics too oh wow yeah wow so is yours a manual that you ours is a manual with a four-speed volkswagen uh four four in reverse uh four in reverse four in a reverse oh and a reverse yeah i was like why would you need four gears yeah although our reverse died on us at some point i don't know why yeah it decided like well i'm sure the beating of just the pounding and like they they can't last uh no and funny enough the most durable vehicle that i've been told the ones that that make it through the most are stock bug volkswagen bug really yes
so there's a limited amount of things you can do to it but they just soldier on and get through it but i hear it it is just brutal on the body yeah i mean i could only imagine that those are tiny light vehicles they make it maybe that's it right yeah it could be you know i think that by being lighter you're obviously going to have less impact amongst travel because it's going to have less kinetic energy less weight bearing down on things and releasing and bearing down on it again but to the life of me maybe they're just really well made bud does that every year yes he does and his team won the class that we were in that year him and uh uh kyle um uh uh what's kyle's last name he used to uh run detroit speed uh an absolute uh gem of a man you know when you meet that person you're like wow you are probably like the most pious person in the whole world that's kyle really yeah he's just such a nice dude just so cool and uh i met him through bud again doing optima uh ultimate streetcar invitational when i competed over there um at sema so bud is a successful television producer with a beautiful wife and family and risks his [ __ ] life every year for a goof yeah i'm like why are you doing that he is just driven to go out there and just compete the guy is just such a competitor at everything and he's such a a seriously intense person when it comes to competing and he still trains jiu jitsu and everything oh he does that with his whole life yeah and uh strange guy he is but in like uh the best way you know um no i love him he's he's an absolute fantastic dude i told him his house you did yeah that was my old house oh man holy [ __ ] yeah he told well i i told him that you know he was looking for a house and i said hey i'm moving out of this house do you want to buy it and it was perfect so we didn't have to go for anybody well you know i had to have plenty of car stuff for for everything you might need back then man i was kind of broke i didn't uh i didn't well i wasn't broke but i didn't have a lot of cars i only had a i only had a couple
cars back you didn't have that that sick was it c2 corvette oh yeah no i didn't i saw that one up at the home dude's uh shop yes um in the valley street steve stroke yeah talking about star wars okay oh he's a massive star wars fan like he'll be like and then jibber jabber i can't believe he was just left out of the cannon i'm like okay he's like into it man he's deep bud wears only black only black people like you go over his house you open up his closet it's like a crazy person like what do you where's your colors not no colors he's just serious nothing but black johnny cash right his cards are black too yeah yeah yeah he's got a beautiful 69 mustang yes he does that one it has a 4 6 dual overhead cam motor in it too i think it's a gorgeous car he's got a lot of cars he was uh the producer of rides that show where i had my barracuda done ah right right right he also produced overhauling and i had my buddy on overhauling that bud uh i wrote out to him and i go hey my buddy's got the 67 uh firebird and he's comic artist dan panosian amazing dude great guy and he would love to get this thing really i mean it drives and everything but he would really really love to get it all done up and so of course you know this whole elaborate scheme gets put together right it's overhauling for people who don't know the show they pretend to steal your car so someone will steal your car so like say if josh had a charger they would steal his charger and then they would do it all up and then bring you somewhere under false pretenses and then unveil your new car well in this case they didn't do any of the stealing no thievery uh but the deception was oh hey uh dan they the ufc the magazine is gonna do this photo shoot on me and they would love it if i could bring like a muscle car or something so could could we use your your fire firebirdies yeah that's awesome yeah like yeah they'll give you like 500 bucks for the for the time and
all these those sounds great amazing and so i'm standing there with uh it's me and ariani and at this moment but or whoever is directing the photo shoot he just goes all right and action and ariani throws like a whole bucket of red paint all over the car and then i swing a sledgehammer through the front windshield what in front of the dude in front of a dude oh my god the whole obviously the idea was oh we're gonna get this great tv moment where this guy just like melts right in one way or the other and instead he just kind of goes hmm he kind of laughs and and so we bring him over and but and and bud's saying like well no i mean you got paid i mean the contract's not going to take care of this or whatever but the whole time we're trying to get this rise out of him and he he doesn't really budge and okay then we we let him on that you know it's overhauling and all this did you tell him before they fixed the car oh yes uh and uh did you have to fake it when you unveiled it uh no no he knew but he didn't get to see anything we were doing so he knew he took his car he knew a bunch of stuff was going to be done but he had no idea it was just like your car is gone it's got a sledge hammer through the windshield and a bunch of red paint on it and bye you'll see it when we're done and we're not telling you [ __ ] and but at the time he so bud's just like dude why are you so cool about this and essentially dan just like well i really trust josh so i knew he would he wouldn't there's no way he would let my car just be [ __ ] and i'm like goddammit what the [ __ ] yeah wow what a beautiful car and uh i came i worked on this a little bit with them i did some of the deconstruction i i held home lucky with a little bit of the electrical i worked with um andreas a little bit on some of the other touches and me and chip sat down to do just the like
the rough outlining and designing about what kind of a car in terms of purpose we want to build out of it yeah this dude had no idea no no clue and uh you know we're in there just working away getting it done and lingenfelter supplied this sick um uh ls3 that makes like 600 horsepower detroit speed did a whole deal for the front and back suspension center force is helping us with the clutch and uh it the car turned out to be incredible it's like one of the i think until his son was born and maybe even a little while after his his wallpaper on his phone with his [ __ ] car so that's how much he loves it do you still drive it oh yeah and i make him take it out when i can too or uh we'll do stuff like um there's this quarantined cruise thing that's still going on down in uh that got started during the quarantine but it's still going on this cruising around pacific coast highway and all that kind of stuff and so i brought my gt500 out and i made him come out with the with his carmitra and uh man yeah you see here's the thing if you ain't driving the cars what's the [ __ ] point oh yeah no i i firmly believe that i don't understand people have cars and they just it's just like gonna be in a garage forever oh no there's no point like that a lot of people do that i know and i understand if you want to build something museum quality but then i'm like well then just put it in the museum why the what's the [ __ ] point yeah but uh in terms of what's the [ __ ] point at sema this year there's always some trend that is trash in my opinion that always seems like it maybe it got started in an interesting way and then it just like runs the gamut of just like every copycat version of it that's just like oh god we don't need more of this this year or last year i guess it was turning your classic car electric and i'm like i have a problem with that i have a massive problem with that i'm just like why would you take the soul and spirit out of a machine
and replace it make it even more material more mechanical and less engaging yeah and then it's so bad now that even with evs for all kinds of aspects there's people selling you i don't know how they how they put it together but it's a thing that makes car noises oh no no no no no no yes this is the potential to shift gears because there's no gears i think a porsche tycan has two gears for whatever reason but a tesla has zero it's like one gear so what do what do they do does it just rumble uh when you hit the gas i don't no shifting dude i i have no idea this is fake noises uh i i guess they just add that to the rest of other fake [ __ ] that they're doing in their life and the way that they're doing things and and uh you know hunky dory you know bmw started doing that back in the day with uh their turbocharged engines they started putting like pumping in fake exhaust note through your stereo yeah and it was an option i believe i believe you could shut it off but um i had a couple of m3s back in the day i had the older ones though with the v8 and it was it was really nice it was like a high revving great engine oh it was great great car yeah i was so good i got two of them in a row my lease went up but i got another one because i loved it it was just a real high rate it wasn't the fastest or the most handling but it was very engaging it's a it's a car that has a driving experience to it it's quick it's fast revving um but it's also easy to drive everywhere you want to go it was a great commuter car i loved it i loved taking it to the comedy store it's just a great shifting paddles you know which i generally don't like but when you're in la traffic that's one of the things i always admired about you in la traffic you still drove a stick shift yeah yeah no i uh i actually sold my my srt8 challenger and replaced it with a diesel gl glk mercedes suv and i was so proud when i put a trailer hitch on it i'm like you know i've turned a [ __ ] new leaf when i'm like hey
look it's a diesel and i've got a trailer hitch yeah that's a new lead you know at the same time i'm still like with victor henry who you just saw in ufc we're building he bought uh a 70 cutlass s off of me and we're building this thing up um phytek is giving us fuel injection to do on the whole car i'm i've had a 455 with aluminum heads roller cam that i had sitting around putting it tunnel ram uh it'll be like 10 10.2 to one compression it's going to be you know he's talking about that we actually talked about that during the fight itself ah yeah which by the way was fantastic and i really wanted to talk about that because victor henry was super impressive it's so rare that you see a guy enter the ufc um you know kind of unheralded but like with a good reputation but you know not a lot of hype behind them but performed that way against a guy like howie barcelos yes who's a top of the line fighter yes he is so good how many is so technical and so high level and victor just put on a [ __ ] clinic he put on a clinic it was amazing uh he's so good and it's like victor said to the press afterwards where you know they usually ask a bunch of like just wrote questions like well you know what what did you think about uh being underestimated or whatever he goes look you guys are ufc people you know about ufc you know about people in ufc and you don't really know anything else right and so what you don't know about i'm not surprised that you're not acquainted like that you wouldn't really understand how to how to how to put this on some sort of metric right that is a very good point because i think at this point in time that's silly it used to be you would look at the ufc and that was like the nfl there was the elite football players ufc was the elite fighters but there are guys in other organizations now that are top of the line there's a bunch of them there's a bunch of them that are fighting for one fc there's a bunch of them that are fighting for these other organizations you know kayla harrison who's over in the pfl there's top of the line fighters
there are killers all over the world and that was you know one of the things that i like to do with my athletes is i want them to see the world i don't fight all over the place and so i've i was taking victor to russia and he's over there beating guys uh he was undefeated in ryzen he was the champion for deep he had fought for the title in pancras before early in his career and so he'd gotten to see all this different stuff and fighting all these different places different rule sets and so when it came time for the ufc and during the pandemic it's just okay can't get to japan no one's getting visas uh fighting in the states is really limited but um uh the amazing uh george and steve bash they took help victor out got him a title shot against uh uh albert morales and lxf and so we were able to keep him busy and it's like hey guys and i had been talking to the ufc but i'd i'd get the response like well you know dana white's contender series i'm like no this kid's 20 20 and five 21 and five he's got two world titles like i'm not doing it i'm not putting him in the contender series for a maybe this kid's legit and eventually this opportunity with haoni came up and we just said yeah we're good to go that's a good example because most people are not going to take that fight with barcelos on such a short notice right because he requires a lot of preparation this is true crazy endurance super skillful but god damn i was impressed with victor i was impressed with how composed he was and how technical he never wound up once everything is coming from the chamber there's no telegraph he's constantly moving he's constantly fainting lots of head movement [ __ ] he was impressive it was it was us putting our game plan fully uh into into into implementation because haoni is such a tough guy very physical
athlete great wrestling background as well um and a die-hard heavy striker so our thing is well you know all right we're not going to wrestle with them like there's no point i i don't i don't feel that victor couldn't or couldn't submit him potentially but why why put it in places where we feel like not be giving something up or putting it in a place that he wants to be but we also know he loves fighting on the feet more than anything else for the most part and he really believes in his striking skills so you could get into a big fight with him about that but now you're kind of putting yourself in a position to kill or be killed and and why so the idea was keep tearing apart at his body keep him fighting on the back foot um don't let him fight moving forward and cons these constant fakes uh faints uh keep tagging the body over and over and over again getting our chip shots in hitting first and always hitting last and watching out for his his right uppercut his um his right hand and how he loves to pull with his head movement and then throw a punch behind it and so not getting too extended letting that guy get his work off at times but but pulling with a half step getting right out of range so that we're not behind or right running into any of that stuff and continue to chip away at that body and take away his endurance and bank on our cardio and scoring and scoring and scoring and if the opportunity presents itself we had a few things in our upper sleeves for potential fight enders but also we knew that if you keep pulling a guy apart eventually they're going to start if they feel like they're losing in any way they're going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and the bigger they get the more openings they're going to leave behind right and there was a couple times um it seemed like you know vic had him rocked maybe he could have taken him out but you know how he's so tough so we're not going to just blindly run into anything so vic just kept pouring it on pouring it on pouring it on pouring it on and you know in time we just
were able to pull houni's tactics apart and and leave him exposed to our our opportunities but you know the guy never stopped fighting the whole fight you know even in the third round whenever he got a chance to get off he was trying to take vic's head off which is why he's so dangerous it was very impressive in that he he had that kind of endurance given that it was such a short notice did he have a fight lined up anywhere else or was he just no always in the gym but as soon as that fight in lxf was over with um i just said hey stay in the gym you're not going to crank it up to a full full peaking fight camp but you need to stay in the gym and stay at a certain level of conditioning keep a strong because i'm gonna try and find something for you i'm going to be out there advocating to try and get you another fight and if it ain't in the ufc then maybe it's going to be again for for george and bash in lxf i mean we're going to keep you busy we're going to make it so nobody can deny you at some point and he's in this place where is he 34 35 30 i think he's 34 gonna be 35. so at that age especially in the lighter weight classes as we were saying before that he's in a a position where you got to kind of get going now exactly and i knew that he had a lot left in him and potentially he was actually coming into his his best era of himself right now and so i didn't want to let that go to waste well it certainly looked like in the fight there's no way you could fight like that against a guy at the end of the day sean shelby sees us in the back and he just had such a shitty grin he's like [ __ ] yeah that is exactly what we want yeah and i'm like i i told you but i know everyone's always telling you but you know he's the real deal and he's gonna give you badass fights every single time this kid is doesn't know what it's like to not have heart or will it just doesn't exist and he's skilled and mean and he can get it done he's great and i was really actually massively surprised in a pleasant way about the what the ufc was doing for him
in prep for this fight it's like oh you have this fight camp coming up oh we have meal plans we got this we will make sure you make weight we'll help you it's like all right i love this you know uh looking after this kid in this way where you're not going to get that any other place and not to not to diminish places like ryzen or fighting in uh the places like um uh uh our rcc and russia i mean we've been taking care of greatly everywhere we've gone but that having the ufc go into their their their toolbox of things that they could they could they could put out there to benefit the fighters i was stoked yeah they've done a lot of amazing stuff in that regard like first of all uh establishing the performance institute yes that was a huge help too yes amazing i was there with travis brown when he was kind of prior to his fight with alexi olynyk and then when we were there to originally fight at the apec center you know that was completely opened up to us and and that was a great great opportunity i've been in conversation with forrest because i'm always interested to learn about why the pi itself does this versus that right even uh i was talking to the people there about their normatec system okay well what what is your experiences with this you know how does this uh compare to was it ecg or ecgc which is another we should explain normatech normaltech is uh there are these awesome boots yeah that you put on there well they're like pants and they've got ones for your arms too and then um to me it kind of reminded me of the ecgc i think it's called whether it's a system around heart patients where they put cuffs around you and they hook you up to an ekg and then with your heart rate and your pulse rate it's supposed to move and squeeze in in succession to create uh extra circulation or help with
circulation and so there's been studies that say there's a lot of benefits for this for people that have had heart issues or [Music] circulation related stuff and whatever and so i started talking to the gal there about how does this compare and so getting little bits of information like that getting to understand more about what the systems are and what their intention is what problems are they trying to solve that's great for me as a trainer because then i can take that information back and then figure out how to use it with my athletes find other complementary things to go with it you know anything you can do to try and give that athlete that not just that extra edge now but something that can keep them in the battle even further on in their career which is even though i'm a heavyweight we can get away with having longer careers to a degree i feel that the way i was trained from the beginning had a lot has a lot to do with me being able to stay in this game as long as i have well particularly conditioning right i mean conditioning yeah and tell everybody like your your background with catch wrestling you were very fortunate to be able to train with some real legends yes uh so my initial training well i was a wrestler and i was i saw ufc 2 on a tape sophomore year in high school and i just looked at it went i don't know how the [ __ ] you get into this but i'm gonna find a way somehow and i'm gonna do this it was just like that there's no questioning there was no hemming and hawing no if and nands i'll do it back in 1990 4 5 6 i mean it's all just like do it as you can yeah put it all together in any way that's possible i saw your first fight one of your first fights on the vhs tape somebody gave it to me babyface assassin very much so yeah it was back in the day man it was a long time ago and through then i trained with jim harrison uh rest in peace uh one of the old school blood and guts bare knuckle
karate guys you know the kind of guy where even chuck norris and all them are like that's a dude you don't [ __ ] with i mean it was being at a celebration of life uh last year because he died during covet and we couldn't you know we couldn't really put together like a proper goodbye and it was like me and superfoot and troy dorsey and you know a legend a bunch of different legends but then listening to like guys that weren't martial artists even talking about but people from law enforcement when he did this special he was a part of the special criminal unit in east st louis and hearing the stories about direct from these guys mouth about being there with him or people in the military it's like yeah well when jim harrison you know was paid to do some work in military action and go over and different things and talking about him in that regard and it's like this guy is something that doesn't exist anymore this is like ernst younger type stuff and uh even i who trained under him and knew him very well just was sitting there just i still had to sit back like wow what an individual those guys in the early days of karate too i mean that was a wild time very well and you know in like the 60s and the 70s and karate was being introduced it's a lot like mma right it's they're building it as they go yep building it as they go and uh when i tell people you know nowadays that at one point we just oh we'd agree on rules as we got there or uh you know this place would allow headbutts and bare knuckles and whatever and people like what the hell this we were just fighting you know we were trying to test it all out and the idea even of gloves was foreign to us because they didn't really exist right we had to if you wanted mma gloves at one point you basically had to buy harbinger wrist wrap bag gloves that were fingerless and then you would have to trim pieces off and build them
that's what was available to you and then there was the boxygenix glove came out that was in the ufc and then after that you know different people started making gloves and then gloves kind of became a standard but at one point it was like yeah they exist but you ain't got to wear them wasn't the first mma glove really the those things that bruce lee the kundal ones yes that was that enter the dragon enter the dragon where he does a whole scene with uh samo hong yeah and takes him down to arm bars yeah yeah so that was during the days when he was working with gene labelle well even prior to that my uh the guy who really got me into martial arts to begin with was fred sotto who was one of the founders of seattle judo dojo and one of the original four that is bruce lee fred sato taki kimura and uh jessie glover that's the original four and i remember you know looking through little old old books picture books and stuff of you know fred sotto and jesse and all them with bruce and they're just in someone's backyard i don't remember whose backyard it was when bruce lee is a little skinny kid going to garfield high school in seattle yeah so fyi people if you watch dragon the bruce lee story mostly [ __ ] revisionist history yeah like a lot of things these days no he didn't go to ucla to my understanding no he didn't meet linda lee in california they're all from washington they made all that up it's all made up why would they do that because it's cooler to be from california than it is to be from seattle it's not it's a historical figure yeah leon is not there was no leon it was jesse glover so leon's a fake guy fake guy he's supposed to be jesse glover so to speak why would they just have jessie glover i just don't understand why they do that you know it's like in the mark schultz uh films when they had him fight a russian guy at the end when everybody knows he fought big daddy goodrich it's a part of history i know you can go look it up it's it's the same with all the stuff about bruce you can even uh taki kimura put out a book uh something uh
memories of the dragon whatever it's got all the old pictures in it yeah you know jesse glover has passed away tacky's passed away um fred uh my sensei passed away but but you know i i remember watching that movie and sitting there just being just fuming about like why the [ __ ] are they lying you know i mean what's the point i mean the guy's point the guy's story is cool enough and yes at some point he ends up in la and everything and and you know the contributions to the idea of approaching martial arts from his perspective absolutely or live on in all kinds of aspects in all kinds of ways through all kinds of people but you know i mean i trained with guru dan before i i've been around all these folks and it's just like i don't his story is cool enough yeah but that's something that hollywood producers love to do they love to think they're smarter than the original store instead of just taking the original story and putting it together in an entertaining way in their eyes you have to add some nonsense to it otherwise they don't feel like they got their fingerprints all over it yeah i could see that like a lot could be from just simply ego like i want to tell the story the way i want to tell it it doesn't matter what reality was they do that all the time of course they do but then what do they even make these days anything that is not that is original good luck finding that it's as if um you know it's it's just like what well i'm sure they're making original movies well i'm sure but the point is it's like why would you change the the life story of a historical figure who's one of the most important figures in the history of martial arts right i i don't know there has to be some sort of reason and it could be arbitrary on one end and it could be deliberate on another at the end of the day for me it's just like a lot of things go to the source yeah you know it may not be the most popular widespread one but it's out there it's
just it's so it's just so annoying so how did you get into catch uh i got into catch basically through matt hume who was training who had trained over in japan with funaki and suzuki and then got to train with sayama and so he's training under these guys that all come from this karl gotch catch lineage who also are from antonia gnocchi so back in the 70s enoki he split off from japan wrestling association or something like that so him and giant baba they make a split they both are trained under ricky dozen and baba goes he makes all japan pro wrestling and inoki goes he makes new japan pro wrestling and noki's approach is we're going to make this the world's strongest martial art that's our goal this is when we present professional wrestling it's going to be something called strong style and it's going to be the king of sports it's going to stand at the zenith of all things and it's going to be incorporated with martial arts and fight skills and all these all these aspects of reality combat and he brings in carl gotch to come and run this gym and so all these guys are all getting trained by carl gotch who is a catch wrestler from um originally from from hungary and he goes and trains he was a olympian and greco-roman and he he trained in professional wrestling when it was also a much more reality-based product but then he goes to the snake pit in wigan england and trains with billy riley who is one of the godfathers of catch's catch can wrestling which the term itself it comes from wigan england catches catch can with like get it get him any way you can where these old these you know tough as [ __ ] miners get out from the mines at the end of the day they go and they have their pints and what have you and then they go up on the
hills and in the grass and they they throw bets down and they just challenge each other and go after it and this eventually starts to become what we know as a professional wrestling and at some point professional wrestling is a 100 legitimate sport but then it starts becoming worked over time how did it become work did it become work because of carnivals like what carnivals were part of it because you could like let's say you got tootsmont and oh god i'm trying to remember the rest of them uh they the gold dust trio they go around up and down the north uh up and down the west coast and they go and they put these shows together but one of the the tricks that they would do is they could have someone who's a ringer like a real like nasty badass who is either in the crowd to go wrestle someone that didn't know who this person was and go in and just murk them and take all their money or here's the other thing is they set it up where they have a guy in the ring doing all these matches just smashing up all the locals and then they say well who's willing who's willing to get in here next and then they have a guy sitting in the audience who is their plant he gets in the ring he wins and then they everybody bets against him the gold dust trio bets on him and takes all the money and away they go and so this is also where the terminology of marx comes in because the audience everyone's a mark it's a con so that was the beginning of theatrical pro pro that was the beginning of conning stuff and and setting up a potential predetermined but then it also got to the point where really highly skilled evenly matched guys could be out there for an hour and a half and it's just like uh people don't want to watch this they want to watch more action-packed action-oriented stuff and so then you start working the matches and putting more um flourishes and things in it it becomes more popular more interesting and then you start i mean the basic premise of professional wrestling still
exists and that is you have a face and a heel so basically you have a good guy and a bad guy and the good guy is trying to overcome the bad guy and at some point he will go through all kinds of torment and suffering and what have you and then come out on the other side victorious and overcome the problem it is just it's basically the hero's journey contained in a little four-sided ring and oftentimes pro wrestling does a great job of mirroring the sentiments of the culture around it at large and uh you know this actually would be a really great conversation to have with eric weinstein because he's such a huge pro wrestling fan he's massive and he has this he's got this great series this hasn't been finished yet he's got two parts where you know it's got clips of him talking about kayfabe on here and and uh work shoots and all this kind of stuff in terms of politics and culture mostly politics but uh but so the idea of it on a on a metaphysical level he would you would enjoy that conversation i think and i and i got to connect with him i was uh i was just talking to him the other day he's like are you in l.a i'm like i'm actually heading to austin to go hang out with folks and go go do some stuff but i'm coming back uh but so pro wrestling starts getting worked at some point but then it starts getting even more and more exorbitant and outrageous and you start getting guys like gorgeous george and you start you know people that are really playing to these big uh personalities and cutting promos and then you get the territories that start they start branching out and each one would have sort of their own spin on things but at one point pro wrestling was the way it was like mma is now except it was mainly confined to straight matches of grappling with submissions but you know you'd have incidents like add santel he beats this world judo champion from the kodakan and he goes well i'm the world champion of
judo now and the clothicon goes what the [ __ ] the hell you are get them and so all these guys keep coming after ad santel they eventually have this giant showdown in yasukuni jinja the shrine in japan and he does i don't remember three matches over five days or something like that and he knocks one guy out in a jacket match so they made them both wear jackets like for this one yes and he slams the guy and tko's him wins that match and he essentially the catch guys beat the judo guys at that point but then it doesn't end it keeps going the judo guys get some wins there's draws there's this and eventually ad just goes that's enough okay i got it i don't i can't keep this up i'm not the world judo champion anymore i i'm shutting the [ __ ] up about this because they were not letting it go and of course regardless of ad santel being able to come out on top these were no slouches these were tough as [ __ ] dudes yeah and in a more in a more uh let's see dude you can imagine that dude is probably strong as [ __ ] jacked yeah and this is pre-creatine yeah oh yeah very much so this is all very much truly horse meat and bone marrow and all that good stuff and just hardcore working out exactly one of the things about carl gotch in particular was like he was legendary for his requirements of fitness it's true it is a hundred you get a chance to train personally i got to train a bit with carl although he was he didn't ask me to do all the requirements and all that and i met him through uh a magazine interview where gong kaktogi brought me over to meet with him in tampa and i believe jake shannon helped set it up in fact because jake and carl were really close and then eventually billy and jake would become very close because i brought billy to jake because billy left japan and came back to america was living in arkansas with some of his family and i said hey um can we do something with billy here like get him doing seminars something let's keep him active let's put some money in his pocket let's do something and jake structured this whole thing and got
billy out to the rest of the world and it was amazing and and it was so incredible that jake was able to to do this for billy and bring billy to everyone and you know have some of this stuff taped do these seminars and and expose again what was old is now new what was carl's conditioning routine that he required of students before they were that's a good question i don't know exactly what it was but it was something like a thousand squats and 500 hindu push-ups and you know something something it was it was a pretty rigorous thing and if you wouldn't if you couldn't complete it he wasn't going to teach you but i think a lot of that was well number one he believed that conditioning is your greatest hold that is a direct quote from carl gotch but also it showed how serious you were a lot of people always say oh hey joe you know i want to be a comedian too you know what you're like no you don't you're not really serious about it you see my success you see these things you think well i could have that it's like you who have no idea how much you know it's the iceberg concept you know you see this but underneath it all was all this toiling and suffering and failing and all these different things to get to this point and you could look at someone like you're not ready to fail you're not even ready to fail yet you're not ready to suck yeah to get to being good and it's the same with someone like carl you know all these people will come around oh yeah teach me i'll be the best in the world i'm gonna be it's like yeah sure you are can you know show me some conditioning you're out of shape you can't do it you know you can't you're garbage you don't you don't you don't take this as seriously as what it needs to be to actually be successful let alone be able to be on joe rogan level or carl gotch level or antonio noki or what have you yeah it just it's people even back then weren't necessarily in for that kind of ride let alone these days so let alone these days yes but to imagine somebody requiring that like the carl gotch type guy today before he takes on any students what a
small pool of talent you'd have to draw from this is true and while it's not something i put my athletes through per se i uh you know i don't take on new students either i just don't do it and people come at me all the time like nah yeah people like to say that like you're not a coach unless you take someone from like white belt all the way to like world championship level i mean there's something to be said about that but there's sort of there's a lot of different i mean coaching levels of coaching there is absolutely levels of code there's elite coaching yeah you know like an elite fighter needs an elite coach and you don't need to be working with someone who doesn't understand a jab right you don't have to like this idea like there's a there's a sort of hierarchy of coaching where people think that if you don't take someone from the ground up if you don't like really work with like bottom level athletes and bring them into top top shape but i don't i don't buy i don't i don't necessarily i mean there are people i've started from near ground zero and brought up i mean victor when i got him he had five amateur fights uh but um it's also something let's say like this there's guys that can teach you all these techniques and how to lift and blah blah blah right they they're they're giving you all this structure and but beyond teaching you how to throw punches and do this there's also the concept of why and not just why for you why for you versus this guy why are for you at this time why for you based on what your bodies do i mean there's all these different contextual and subjective elements that come into this whole thing and i was talking to i had three three three athletes i worked with uh fight at lfa last weekend you know me and chad george uh are working with these these athletes and so lou schwenke goes out there and knocks the dude out in the first round chase gibson has a great scrap back and forth with uh javier garcia who's very tough he wins an unanimous decision and then ozzy diaz goes out and knocks his guy
out in the first round and i'm talking to someone and i go yeah there's a lot of folks that can like get a guy all pumped up and teach them how to throw a bunch of punches and do all this kind of stuff but can they actually break down the opponents and all their their tendencies all their their their like being able to see through that athlete and go like okay when things are at their best here's what they're going to do when things are at their worst here's what they're likely to do you know here's their tendencies here here's the things that you can pretty much count on that they're always going to go to you know when things get tough when things are at their hardest people are always going to go to what they're best at and then it's also to look at your athlete and go okay how do i need to structure this guy's fight not just on the day but in all the training leading up to it so that he's able to mitigate the strengths of his opponent and emphasize his own strengths and keep away from his weaknesses and there's that aspect and then there's the mental aspect of how to get into that person's head and give them the right motivation or the right comfort or whatever is necessary at that moment to get them at their best do you ever work with a sports psychologist no no i just do you read any yes yeah i read some books actually on uh uh one of them that was a real eye opener was one on coaching women and there was all kinds of great little bits of knowledge that i got out of that just for general coaching and for working with female athletes this thing was written by a female volleyball coach and i wish i could remember the name of it uh it was it was an excellent book though and then it was just i think just paying attention reading about things like psychology and philosophy and other things i mean it's one thing to say to read philosophy
let's say but um you know reading nietzsche for me is not just about philosophy it's about human behavior it's about it's about psychology it's you know they call him like the first psychological psychologist philosopher in a way and so just being open enough to let the world show you what it is and for people to show you who they are because you'll come yes everyone's an individual they all have their idiosyncrasies but in most ways we're more alike than we're different and we've been more alike in almost entirely the same ways since anyone has ever been able to write about what a human being is like period if you read about ancient greece if you read in if you're reading the bible or the quran or any whatever you grab yourself a cuneiform tablet or you start reading hieroglyphs you're not going to get a radically new different story about what a human being is how they think how they feel what are their motivations and what it takes for for flourishing it's never changed you know you can say that we've evolved but we're no really but on what level i mean maybe we still have like the remnants of a tailbone but but even in society and as it evolves technology may more emphasize how we interact with the world and things and and maybe the intensity at which we may um express ourselves for good or for bad but it's not new envy is still there egos are still there ego ego from the point of being healthy to the point of being unhealthy the same with envy um same with resentments all this stuff is all the same same [ __ ] you go read gilgamesh it's all the same [ __ ] you know we're not telling new stories we're telling the same story over and over and over again um and i think that as a coach beyond that you know deeper meaning of being in humanity but at the same time it's just allow yourself to be open to see things let people tell you who they are and if you really are interested in trying to be about something it's not
always about charging head long into it sometimes it's about sitting back and just shutting the [ __ ] up and listening listening to someone who's telling you something or just listening in a metaphorical sense just allowing things to show you something let let watch that footage over and over and over again and throw your preconceived notions aside and just let it happen and then see how much you start seeing that repeats itself yeah there's probably a great benefit in learning how to teach women because uh from my personal experience women um learn better in a sense that they don't have as much ego in when it comes to martial arts and they also don't muscle things true um i think that teaching all types of people is is incredibly useful and i liked teaching women a lot especially because they smelled better took better care of themselves uh but it's it's a it's a you can't go out there generally and just start screaming at a girl like why are you so stupid right right they're gonna take that in a whole different way although i've had athletes that were females that needed more tough love than they needed more gentle guidance and and to that it just came down to the individual athlete themselves right and i feel like you need to learn how to coach women and men and then in and amongst that you then needed how to coach every single woman every single man on an individual level because they're not just women they're not just men they're individuals and you gotta get to know them exactly and so that's another reason why i'm not necessarily very eager or driven to just start pulling in new athletes because to me i'm not just teaching you how to fight i'm going to take a mentorship role in your life i'm going to be managing your career i'm going to be helping you when you do something dumb in your relationship or something [ __ ] up or you make some bad mista i'm gonna be there for that and you know i don't it's
penny it's penny or a pound penny and a pound no matter how small or how severe i'm i'm signing up to be a part of this yeah and so i don't want to spend my time on someone that i don't think has the right kind of character i don't want to bother because i don't it doesn't matter to me if they're going to go out there and win a bunch of titles and give me a bunch of money it ain't worth it because now i got to hitch my boat to this person and that says something about my honor and my word and i just i don't want nothing to do with something something like that if it doesn't if it doesn't reflect the person that i want to put out there in the world so what is the process like say if an athlete wanted to work with you like how would you even go about deciding whether or not you'd be interested in that well at least one of the things i would do at csw is people come up to me and victor even was part of this process i mean he was training with a good friend of mine jimmy romero and and jimmy was at legends uh when you guys were all there and at some point jimmy's like man i just can't keep doing this there's just no there's not enough money i'm going broke and i got stuff to do and i have a kid on the way like this isn't to say flying and he loves martial arts all right jimmy was just just coming by cmma the other day and running pads for chad and all that was awesome to see him but uh i i completely understood his position but uh but what happened is it's like well okay there's no more team but he'd been bringing his guys down to csw to come train and spar and and this kid victor was was his protege and he's a super solid kid and i could see it and everybody around him that i knew all vouch for what a good kid this dude was and he's growing up in southgate which is like the mexican compton in in la so it's a rough ass place and you know he's been shot before just sitting on the on the stoop playing with his friends and someone does drive by and stray bullet you know all this kind of stuff i mean this kid's got a wild life and i'm just like all right i call them up
i go hey i heard the team is you know disbanded and what have you be here on monday uh well you know i don't have any money i just be here on monday he shows up i give him stuff to do come check in on him he's been doing it you know all right now i start taking a more personal approach now i'm really now i'm more right beside him as i'm doing things he gets it that okay if you're serious about it and i tell you something and if you don't do it that's your choice if it's not that important to you you're not going to do it all right that's not important to you then it's not important for me to give it to you in the first place not important for me to spend my time on you vic then says this to another athlete at the school who was brought in who is he would come up to me before he goes man i see what you're doing with victor and some of these other folks and and you know they're having a lot of success and and i really like the way that you're working with them you know would it be possible if i could work under you and i just said let me think about it and at some point i think he this guy a fighter under me aj bryant another great kid heavy hitter and uh he's got a fight coming up in may he goes to vic on the side he goes hey man what does that even mean i'll think about it i mean what does and vic just turns him and goes look if he just you show up you keep showing up you train your ass off he's going to come over to you at some point and he's going to give you something to do he's going to tell you something whether it needs to be done here or it needs to be done outside of the ring outside of the gym but he's going to come to you and he's going to say something if you don't do it if you're not he's just going to be like you're not serious and that's it [ __ ] off and so you know eventually i come over i'm like all right hey do this
i just leave or you know i start feeding them little bits and i see no this kid is serious he really does want it and then i take him out i take aj under my wing i start working with him all the time he's a part of the treat he's part of the team we're all going we're all training turning pro after his last amateur mma fight i turn to him i go all right that's enough of that you've got enough experience for [ __ ] free fighting for free that's it you're going pro let's move on and he's like uh okay and then boom i have him fighting like five or six times in a year like right off the bat and it's like if you're serious i'm gonna get you placing him took him to russia i'm fighting all over the u.s we're gonna do it but what you got anything i'm going to ask of my athletes is not going to be any less than anything i've ever done and in terms of severity or intensity and oftentimes it's it is less it's like you guys are going to have you're going to get the benefit of all the [ __ ] i had to do and and all the things that have created new structure for us as athletes now to take advantage of and but that same underlying sentiment about being the meanest toughest [ __ ] out there and whether you go down or you your your hand is raised at the end of the day you keep your head high the same way and even with you know someone like how any i i met how any before that fight in brazil when i was training with pedro hizzo and uh master hobart de laitao rest in peace and i remember pedro going hey man this kid at my gym and this kid is dynamite he's such a badass and i met him and i'm watching him and i got to roll them a little bit and get to see him and so i run into him again even before the fight and he's like oh hey hey master i'm like oh oh hey we met in brazil he's like yes no that was me and it's like [ __ ] you know god well at the end of the day it sucks that one of you has to win one of you is going to lose but and you'll see this even at the end of
the fight the way victor approaches like it's nothing but love me and pedro we couldn't be happier for our athletes and even though i know how many lost the fight if he had won i'd still be happy for haoni i'd still have a lot of love for him and be like man pedro that's amazing you guys are great i'm so and and to have the opportunity to fight people that have that kind of respect and and love of martial arts you know all right cool that's it that brings up an interesting point because one of the things that's happening today in in mma and it seems it has a lot of elements of pro wrestling in it is that there's a lot of [ __ ] talking for promotion and you know chael sonnen was probably the best at it at one point in time and then conor came along and conor's amazing at it now you know colby is off the charts with it and maybe some people think he goes too far with it but that's like a lack of the martial arts respect that is just pure showmanships and salesmanship to try to get people excited about fights how do you feel about that kind of stuff it makes complete sense in the era we live in we this is a a world that is it is a degraded form uh of of where it's come from i mean we we don't really create anything anymore we just do we just make replicas we do repeats you know there aren't original things anymore they're just it's just all simulacra it's it's as if the knowledge to create new things is gone it's lost it is it is a foreign idea anymore and with fighting it's like well sure we can become better athletes and we can do all this training and and what have you but at the end of the day we start treating it more as an entertainment sport and it is entertainment don't get me wrong it really is but when all you have to offer to get the crowd going is how much you win and then how much racy spicy [ __ ] you talk about your opponent not only does that say something about
the people employing those means to which you can at least understand to a degree it's like well you know this is their occupation and they want to get the higher the higher contract the higher uh uh spot on the card they want the right the bigger perspective is that it works is the problem so when people are like oh you know the kardashians they're the worst i hate all this reality tv [ __ ] and blah it's terrible okay but people are watching it so who's terrible the kardashians or the audience well in that sense neither because what they're doing is they're providing you with like fast food tv like you don't have to drive by and and pull into the you know drive it immediately what's better going but but i mean is there isn't there a distinct difference between eating grass-fed beef lq shot yeah there is yeah versus fast food but don't you like the fact that if you feel like it you can pull into a drive-through and get a big mac it's all right but i know i don't necessarily want one no but if i do want one i like that i can get one i like that i can get one but i also never lie to myself and that i'm not doing that to try to sell you to my i'm doing something that's even neutral because i'm not right and that's you know we're not doing anything neutral with this whiskey either oh this whiskey's beautiful stuff man are you kidding me it's beautiful stuff but i understand that but but i choose to engage in a vice as a vice and not try to treat it as a virtue there's probably some fatso out there with a cheeseburger right now just moaning in pleasure i'm sure he is an actually ecstatic orgasmic oh this quality oh yeah it's just like double double quarter pounder with cheese just all those trans fashion yeah in moderation i get it but but it's the it's approaching it as yeah and it's the approach and i i love the [ __ ] out of whiskey which has a long history and lineage to how you make it and you know you can go
into all the different types of stills the different types of yeast the the you know if it's scotland it's almost entirely barley and if it's over whether it be malted or not then you've got irish and then you've all this different stuff that's the difference between say i don't know like just distilling whatever throwing a bunch of sugar in it to because it tastes horrible and you're trying to cut all the all those heads down and be so make it palatable and then like slugging it down after you've added caramel coloring into it and everything but to bring it back to mma this this trend does it bother you at all when you see like like right now we're dealing we're this is very recent in into the kobe covington jorge monster alpha it just happened and then jorge mouse would all just sucker punch cool somewhere yeah the sucker punching is i'm not down for that at all uh even if if there is some sort of uh an issue that that that mazvidal has about say like don't talk you talked about my kids that was like the one thing or whatever i'm fine with that totally fine with that like to me that's just that's that's honor culture things like you should understand there's not that there should be a line that you shouldn't cross in terms of aspects of civility otherwise expect nothing but hostility and that is a choice that's why we had all of these concepts of of manners and courtesies was because violence is at the bottom of every word you speak violence is at the bottom of every exchange literally politics is war by other means so louis xiv had all of his cannons inscribed in latin the last word of kings the last argument of kings because when it comes down to it violence is at the it is the golden rule it is the thing that is at the the absolute bedrock of human interaction it enforces laws it absolutely does it enforces laws it also it's about sovereignty too and uh you know someone like try once try to argue because i said well you know rights are what you can
you know rights are an abstract concept you know i mean i i understand the concept of lockheed property rights and all these things and it's and it's wonderful but what you can't your rights are what you can defend at the end of the day you know if you're like well i deserve to have this right and that right it's like who provides them for you how do you keep them how do you keep someone from saying no you don't you use somebody else's violence you proxy it out to a state or you have to do it yourself and that's that is you're not getting away from that ever nowhere anywhere and we live in such we live in a society where all of this is is violence is something that happens to other people now violence is is not something that's done by someone else on our behalf we don't take any accountability for it we don't have and and and with that it's like if someone says don't talk about my [ __ ] kids and my family and you cross that line okay if he does nothing about it or if he just goes and whinges on on twitter about it what does that mean that means nothing if he goes and like calls the cops well he talked about and the cops just like well that's within his legal rights he can say whatever the [ __ ] he wants sorry then how do you get him to stop doing it but do you think that what suckers no no he should have been like i told you what's on where if i see you and like come with me the problem outside it's like if he does that kobe is going to take him down and that's that's what happened with it yeah but you know it's like if you want to fight someone and you fight someone you lose i feel like at a certain point in time you've got to accept what happened there i think there's a way of of creating through these conflicts some aspect of mutual understanding and respect in fact and that okay so what does that look like though between those two guys i mean like i don't know them personally
no they ain't gonna do it they're gonna do it that because again you didn't you hit him when he wasn't looking right it's like well okay how am i supposed essentially what you're asking for is for me to give you a certain modicum of respect and for to not pass certain lines in terms of courtesies because this is unacceptable how are you going to get them to do that when you you cheap shot them right it's just not going to happen i mean it's like this i had a guy once that and this is it's not happened many times and you know i'm not one to go out there and [ __ ] talk people at all i'm not because for me it's just like well i don't need to talk [ __ ] about you i'm just gonna go out and fight you if i have a real personal problem i'll let you know and that isn't about me getting a fight it's not about me like oh i'm trying to drum up no right we can fight in a professional sense and that's all good if you want to make this personal ain't going to be professional it's for real and you shouldn't do it and because i don't want to do it i'm not trying to live my life this way but if you make this the case it's it's for real and it's on and so i had this guy talk just out of nowhere to start [ __ ] talking me i'm like what the hell is this guy's problem i don't get it and so this is a fighter yeah it's a fighter and so i'm just like what the you know i've never said two bad words about this guy ever never i'm not gonna talk [ __ ] about him and and he's just blah blah blah blah blah blah like all right so he starts going in so i i responded and kind and i started ripping on him a bit he ran his mouth some more and at the time i remember my manager that i had he's like oh well you know you can go i go no no no this isn't i'm not getting in the ring with this guy so i can make him a bunch of money and give him notoriety and all this after i beat his ass like nuh uh uh you don't get to make a bunch of money off of my name i go look we're going to be out at this event if that dude's there and i'm here with
hammer if that dude comes up to me and starts running his mouth i'm going to tell him once and then when i see that [ __ ] go to the bathroom i'm gonna have hammer come with me hammer's gonna block the door and i'm gonna [ __ ] tear them apart i'm gonna i'm gonna walk in i said i [ __ ] told you you're looking me dead in the eyes put your hands up we're going if you can see when we leave you'll be lucky if i haven't bit out pieces of flesh out of your body you'll be lucky if you can fight again after this you'll be lucky but i told you and my manager's like what don't do that and i go it's not up to me it's up to them nothing happened nothing ever happens to be honest uh but it's just don't [ __ ] around with these things hold yourself in high esteem and with that give that to other people until they give you a reason not to and then just be like you know what i don't [ __ ] with you it's no good so this brings us to last night yeah this brings us to uh will smith walking on stage where chris rock said one of the most mild jokes ever it was pretty mild is uh bald apparently i didn't know this i found out after the fact that it's she didn't shave her head voluntarily she shaved her head because she's suffering from alopecia i didn't know this either so i don't know if chris knew this uh but chris says a joke around uh gi gi jane 2 looking forward to it very mild just laughed and even said come on that was nice and then will smith initially laughs yes but it looked like jada was upset and so will changes his tune walks on stage and smacks chris rock in the face at the oscars uh and then says keep my wife's name out of your [ __ ] mouth yes he does and then he goes come on man that was a g.i jane joke and he screams it out like keep my name out your [ __ ] mouth yeah like his lips were quivering and he first of all that is a that whole scene doing that in that manner in that place
is a great example of what's wrong with the the glorification of just being able to go up to someone and smack them in the face because that is that that whole thing was so difficult with you here please do well what is your time i want to let you before i want you to finish though well no you said you're going to disagree with me what do you think well i i don't actually think there's any glorification of violence in the sense of free capability on on will's part what do you mean by that well for one i i don't think that there was any inherent given that you could just get away with it i think that whatever will did he did it and he was like whatever comes with it that that you know i'll have to own up to it i don't think he was thinking that far ahead at all maybe he wasn't but i think he's like emotionally fragile probably and he acted on impulse sure i think it's a foolish impulse that you you do when you know there's no consequences i don't think here's the thing i'm gonna say that i don't know that he thinks that there's now in terms of hitting chris in in terms of them and their physical differences and capability of of combat let's say yes there's no consequence but i'm saying but well but there's no consequences in getting out of your seat and striking somebody on national television yeah but i don't think he was thinking about that i think he was acting impulsively in terms of yeah man to man and what who's capable and what's capable and you know what that may be the case um in in in the microcosm of things but if you hit anybody for any reason in public at this point you have the the very real fact of all of the powers of law that be especially depending on who you were who you are and what the public and the cathedral thinks of you smashing you to death until you have you're penniless bankrupt and everyone hold on to you stop that's not going to
happen here probably it's never going to happen he just smacked him out you didn't beat the [ __ ] out of him he didn't harm him in the face we live in a society where violence is so but there's no way we stop well there's no way will smith is going to become penniless from smacking chris rock that was never you would never you wouldn't think he's extremely wealthy it's not going to happen and not only that chris rock instantly didn't press charges he wouldn't press charges and he just accepted it i would say it should have been handled in in in the back or he could have at least he could have step stood up said something right on the spot but listen no not done anything about it you don't go and sit in the front row you're a star at the oscars there's a professional comedian whose job is to roast people that's what he's doing and what he did was not even insulting it's not it was a mild joke it's not about what is it it's not about giving will smith a pass or saying what he did was right but what i am saying is that from his perspective if it was that important he could have he could have barring going up there and hitting chris in front of everyone and he could have at lea he could have he could have said something if he had to do it right then and there uh if he felt that it was that egregious of of a remark and i agree with you chris rock's a comedian the presenters at the oscars are supposed to be entertainers often crack jokes that either a that they do themselves in chris's perspective or from chris's situation or ones that are written for him chris is a comedian i highly doubt that they don't know each other at this point being in hollywood for as long as they have and in my opinion if you really want to settle things go do it personally speak to the person first give them an opportunity to apologize for things especially if they didn't realize that what they were doing was i hear all the things you're saying but they're not applicable that was not an insult it was the most mild joke about her hairstyle i fully get into a
movie where lily she shaved her head i fully get it simply saying any justification whatsoever of him getting up there and smacking him in the face he didn't need to go up there and smack him at all no but regardless of what you and i think of how important or how what what the what the weight of what chris said was just taking removing us out of the equation if it's really that important to jada and therefore then becomes important to will then he should deal with it on a personal level and have a conversation with chris before anything of course because you have to give someone the opportunity because one you have to assume potentially that that chris had malicious intent in what he had to say how do you have militia intent in a mild joke because no it's insane i don't agree with it i'm telling you dude this is all rational thinking about an irrational act he was emotionally fragile and he acted on impulse in a staggeringly stupid way i'll tell you something somebody a good dude who i know didn't mean any harm was kind of you know playfully verbally sparring with with my girlfriend and she did actually it made her really uncomfortable and she didn't really like it and so the next time we run into him and my girlfriend's like i hope he doesn't you know come up and say xyz again i'm like i don't i i don't think that's gonna happen and he does and i'm like okay so i pull him to the side and i'm like hey look i know you don't mean anything by it but you know xyz and we just have a simple conversation and the guy's just like yeah yeah i don't want to have a question but that's a rational response to two human beings having some sort of a dispute but to assume people have malicious intent especially in that position i think is an erroneous way of
approaching it so i don't think i don't think it had anything to do with that i think what he was doing so you don't think saving face you think so he was doing some weird movie thing it was like he was getting away with it as if he was living in a fictional movie like the idea that you think it's smart while wearing a tuxedo to walk onto a stage in front of the world like literally the world one of the biggest award shows on earth if not the biggest and smack a comedian for the most mild joke and then sit there quivering saying keep my wife's name out of your [ __ ] mouth and everybody's just gonna sit there in the [ __ ] that you just took on the table you just pulled your pants down and took a [ __ ] on the dinner table and they all have just sit there and look at that that's what it's like full of peanuts and corn and everything stinks it's just the whole idea behind it is completely irrational but what i'm saying is like these people live in this fake world of you know you're you're protected by guards you're driven by limos you're on the red carpet you know like all of it is crazy life and he's so goddamn famous and so so removed from regular discourse and interaction with regular people that he for whatever reason in his head acted like he's a character in a movie maybe so and and i only am not speaking in definites in regards to will because i don't know the man i never met him all these things that you're saying could could absolutely be 100 plausible and true and especially a person like will who is in such an elevated position in society at large and you are 100 right in that these types of folks get removed from reality um for a variety of reasons but it's often a catastrophic process to the person and how they approach the world but here's what happened right afterwards he won the academy award then goes up and does a speech the whole thing was so bizarre and it made me think like how many other human beings could be in a similar situation and pull that off like if a man walked on stage and smacked a woman no that would not fly would not fly if a woman walked on stage and smacked
another woman i don't even think it would fly probably not probably not but also man smacking a woman we already like it's i feel like it's even an ingrained thing like you don't [ __ ] do that number two women smacking women all the women are gonna look back and be like women don't solve their their issues with violence you're supposed to you know tear them down in in other ways and like women when women get start feuding with one another and one of them finally says that's it and they go to violence it's almost as if they they lost completely like all the other women are like matt you're broke sorry you're out well i don't know i'm just simply because women are just world star hip-hop videos of women beating the [ __ ] out of each other you can find a lot of videos online of women in in terms of society standards i don't think they would have accepted it the same way no it's like it was a rare instance where someone is so enormously famous and successful like will smith that they literally still allowed him to not just win the academy award but also go up and accept it and give a speech after he assaulted a small comedian yeah they should have rejected him they should have ejected them from the show hundred percent a hundred percent i agree with that you don't you can't just go smack a man in the face in front of the world and then go about business as usual first of all it sets a terrible precedent yes in in so many different ways it's a terrible precedent for comedy clubs yes like are people gonna decide that they're gonna go on stage and smack the comedian i hope they try to smack brendan or you just wanna see one joe rogan turning sidekick yeah chuggy i i don't i don't necessarily think people are going to change their behavior but dumb people might but also it's like what are we saying as a society when the the people that we look up to for whatever reason for good or for bad we look up to actors yes and and the academy awards is supposed to be them in their most regal their most regal outfits their best behavior and to drop down to violence for something so
innocuous as a gi jane joke it's look man it's not the hill that i'm looking to necessarily die on either in term whatever the in particular context and and you know i had you know having a conversation with somebody over something that was what made my girlfriend uncomfortable was to me that was the way to approach it but i guess if someone would you know want to tell me [ __ ] you about it then it's like hmm okay well now that changes things right okay you don't care how it affects other people and you're not actually have you having consideration for me or my girlfriend or i know what you're saying but in this case we saw it we see all the elements laid out chris fox joke was yes so mine i get it and so you know jade is allowed to take offense and will's allowed to take offense but to jump up run on stage slap him and then throw the scene that he did is a completely different story it was a meltdown to at least to go and give chris an opportunity to talk to him and maybe even jada and just be like look one you can see that he did not mean to try and cause any actual harm to you so you know what just tell them if you didn't like it tell them face to face and be like yo man uh it really you know hey that would be really fun you're talking about two totally different things we both agree with that but to me agree regardless of whether you're will smith or your or your your uh um the other will smith the the former like special forces guy who speaks russian was in all tons of like 70s and 80s movies he played conan's dad and conan the barbarian like that badass [ __ ] you could be that guy this other super popular will smith or will smith that nobody actually knows who that person is the approach has to be the same there is no exception for you if you played ali or if you played conan's dad or if nobody's seen you play anything even with yourself well i think what we're looking at also is the culmination of a
long period of like emotional distress like that family's been public about all their issues and you know there's a conversation that they had to have like the two of them together about infidelity open relationships and they were openly mocked because of that but i think there's a certain defensiveness that comes along with that well then you know what been out in public sit in it then sit in it then because the public is mocking you for the thing that you brought to them yeah listen i'm i'm gonna agree with you you know so for me i'm like look if you think you're if you're adding stress into your life by publicizing and externalizing everything which again says something more about the state of things like why are you externalizing this [ __ ] right you know what i mean like even when i told this story about oh you know this fighter and i had beef i ain't gonna say his name right cause you know what i'm not trying to create more beef right because i'm not trying to live my life even though i'm the war master and some point of irrational unnecessary conflict when conflict comes conflict if if it has to get to that yes then that's my hope you're a man of honor and of like deep moral principles and ethics you you have a very rigid way you live your life with discipline that's my whole point of this yes this is a nonsense you're right where you're allowed to just go smack someone you're right like that is a non consequential move that's like you're saying there's no consequences to this i'm gonna go up and smack him in front of everybody with it give him the [ __ ] what not you know you do this we live in unreality joe we live in reality hyper reality you know i've heard it coined we live in a massively unserious place from our populous to our to our people that we put on pedestals within media to our politicians all these people are massively unserious and that's probably the problem with living right and it's what we're seeing represented in the media and in society whether it's in films or television
shows or even in the news in a lot of ways is so not it doesn't resonate with what we know to be true and real with real life like even just the way they communicate they don't communicate like a real person so so much of it we we've sort of accepted that so much of what you see is [ __ ] and i just don't think like living that kind of life where you are that kind of person you're an actor you're constantly on the red carpet you're this this weird public pedestal place yes i think you can get a very distorted sense of reality and i think that's what we saw manifest itself you're a hundred percent correct yeah welcome to the iron age the kali yuga yeah exactly enjoy it well we were talking about that before and that's kind of where we're we're at we are in kali yuga we are in kali yuga and the hindus were very smart in their idea of it was the hindus right yes yes they came up with this idea that there are certain ages almost unavoidable of civilization correct so they go through these cycles correct um there is a nietzsche talked about this uh rene guinon a french philosopher and oswald spengler in the decline of the west volume we wrote two whole giant books on this and you know i sent you a quote from spengler and i'm like this is from 1922. and it's talking about the poisonous infiltration of the media into the way people view the world and how there has never been a more powerful machine than this to degrade and deracinate human beings all they had was radio back then they're like oh god this could be a huge problem they thought the printing press was gonna make a huge issue where all people did was just just dream away in books all day long and not actually make anything or create anything and yet people like gaynon and spengler and and nietzsche saw these patterns of human behavior i mean even beyond a cyclical history of the hindus again on who takes a lot from the hindus and and spengler um there's also even uh was it uh strauss and howe with their fourth turning concept it was like every 80 years that
there's going to be you know a complete changeover you have these these four ages that you'll go through uh like um well how's it go it's like art like artist nomad uh or is it nomad art nomad and then you get hero and then it just keeps repeating itself about every 80 years and strauss and howe think that like uh our fourth turning will come around 20 30. i don't entirely buy into the entirety of the fourth turning concept because it's like oh the millennials are gonna be the hero generation like i don't [ __ ] think so sorry it's just not gonna happen you say no but then you see gen z and you go maybe uh well i mean it's compared to what compared to what you almost have to recognize like that the next generation is so [ __ ] up that you have to pick up the slack i i i truly believe that at least this kind of aligns with with uh with the fourth turning concept in that it takes calamity to change humanity i believe and part of what genon and nietzsche and you know nietzsche's concept is the last man and this is you know you want to understand this go read the spoken serathustra uh with get on start with crisis of the modern world with uh spengler probably man and technics is the is the easiest one to get with if you feel like it there's a lot of people have been have now started reproducing his work so it's make it easier to get a hold of because it was hard when i had to get my two copies i i found a couple of used ones and i had to pay like 120 bucks to get them now it's a lot cheaper um but there is i would say you can go ahead and go with volume one form in actuality into uh what perspectives of world history but be prepared to be in for a long haul with that stuff but what they're going on about is that you'll see these the how the comfort of technology and way i see technologies like basically think of technology as not just illuminating or exposing right like understanding the grains of sand that you can then take and then build into see how you can then create the form of
a cup through heat and pressure and now you have this vessel that can be used to hold things or it could be a ballistic weapon it could be all kinds of stuff however you know you want to see what you could do with that cup but it's also about abating nature right so technology is putting a roof over your head and then running water and lights and and every little step further away of abating nature from how it can interact or how it can force you to and your being in existence in your action in the world you start abating nature abating nature being oh i don't have to walk somewhere anymore i could get on a bicycle well i can get off a bicycle and i can ride a horse well i could get off this horse and i have a car and and each thing makes it so nature has less uh effect on you and you are abating the effects of uh terrain which also another aspect of town would be the roads to then be able to travel the okay no roads i'll take a plane or a helicopter or what have you you know from the wright brothers all the way up to 787s i mean nate man starts on this journey of materialism and starts seeing everything as atoms and pieces and parts and things without any spirit to them anymore this is you know back to the thing about evs it's just like well you know just make stuff right technology will allow me to do this so just do it it's it's a constant conflict of shoulda or coulda instead of shoulda and you know we have a phone that has all this access to [Music] all i could go look up audio books on youtube of uh get on and you know people's lectures on all these different things but it could also be this thing that deranges me in how i start now having resentment and envy with people i'll never meet i've never seen in a life that they're manip that they are carefully constructing to be seen in one
way versus the totality of what life is really like for anyone and so now you get all these people across all these these platforms that can now reach out way further than any tribe has ever been able to do before you know now all of a sudden it's like well you know dunbar's number says like 200 people you could actually have a real relationship with well now you've got all these electronic relationships on top of that and they're making you believe is if you're really invested in and engaged with this person but you're not you know what i mean and at the same time i'm not going to sit here and just say like everything about social media and electronics and technology is just evil and bad i'm not calling for like uh it's not even bad it's just we don't have the tools like right genetically or inherently to navigate those worlds rationally right i'm not calling for a butlerian jihad yeah what's going on with technology is that it's there's nothing wrong with it but what is wrong is not having discipline and not having the ability to accurately assess whether or not something is good for you or bad for you yes and then also having a vast amount of people that are going to take the easy way out and that easy way is provided to them through technology what we're generally primed to find easier ways always yeah that's how you survive yeah exactly yeah um you know you're not gonna find you know if a wolf doesn't didn't have to travel with their pack hundreds of miles to go and get a kill right they ain't gonna do it of course if someone just starts chucking food out they're just gonna keep going there yeah they're not going to take off and if you think that we're that far removed from wolves then you're [ __ ] you're that's mister they turned a wolf into a collie yes that's literally how they did it yeah they did it by chucking meat to wolves that came by the campfire and they turned them into dogs one of my favorite nietzsche quotes is uh verily i have laughed at those who thought themselves good because they had no teeth interesting yeah
yeah we are in a precarious situation where the the human animal doesn't have an owner's manual no we don't have uh a a great guidebook to how to navigate all the perils of being personal we do have these guidebooks but not one standard no of course not we don't have i mean yeah we don't teach people of course one of the differences between martial artists and other folks is that you willingly participating something that develops character and discipline and it's very different and it has it's basically built on the concept of failure um you know trial and error and effort and effort and and discipline and you have to keep showing up otherwise you don't get the results and intelligence you have to be able to navigate problems the way i always describe mma it's high level problem solving with dire physical consequences indeed um it is something that it allows you to create a safe space for suffering yeah a place where you can go and bleed and sweat with your brothers and sisters and create community and have deep personal relationships based on the intensity of the activity because i have to trust that if you and i are rolling that like oh if joe catches me he's not just going to break my [ __ ] off because um he feels like it instead he's gonna allow me to tap and and even then it's like when i roll with folks i'll lock something in super tight and if i start feeling like uh oh this shit's gonna go right i back off yeah i go look man it's not it's not worth it there's been times where i've rolled with po folks and and they don't tap they think they're going to get out of it like clack and i immediately let go i'm like oh man that i don't need you hurt that's a horrible feeling if you're hurt we don't get to do this right if we're not doing this then neither one of us is growing right and you know even even just the the the the thin veneer of oh we're not just hanging out even in this gym and i like that it's part of the reason why i'm here it's not the only reason but having per these relationships is part of why i'm here also because i
enjoy it we have something something in common which we can we can you know have a rapport about but uh we you know there there there are all these quote unquote owner's manuals across time and history and cultures and they're more alike and they're different uh and there's a lot to be learned from it i'm not a theist in any way but i study religion because there are actual philosophical metaphysical truths truths embedded within these things and sometimes they're the oldest texts i can get a hold of for a particular culture don't you think that i i agree with you that religions do hold truths and many uh of the ancient spiritual texts do hold guidelines on how to you know love thy neighbor treat their neighbors if they're your brother do not covet yeah all that stuff but don't you think like physical action needs to happen too just completely form a person 100 that's where it's missing it's if you're if you're just studying these works but you're not applying them in a way that tests you test your your morals tests your physical will your discipline your mind test the way right patterns of thinking that you're able to cultivate and maintain under pressure yes one we have a problem of compartmentalization and this goes back to this goes back to the kali yuga this goes back to and what is written in the what the kali yuga will will entail and how people will behave to nietzsche and the last man to spangler and the he he breaks everything down into spring summer autumn winter we're in winter and when he wrote the decline of the west he's talking about the winter you know the winter of our discontent i guess when you get to these these parts in time you see that everything becomes this little compartmentalized aspect training in the gym is this compartmentalized thing where i'm just doing jiu jitsu maybe and then when i go and i go to church if you're a church-going person
that's its own compartmentalized thing and when i go to school and so everything is this other it's everything's a de-racidated atomized you know materialized way of doing things and nothing is is integrated into itself to make a synthesis of all aspects of being in the world right um you know like heidegger would say like to be dozen um but even even still you know as you break these things apart human beings need physical activity period and it's not even about whether you're good at it or great at it or or you suck it doesn't matter finding places on a broad scale finding things that that challenge you and allow you to grow are an absolute necessity agitation or suffering in some way is going to help you uh break break down and build up it's like tearing down the muscle tissue and then it comes back bigger and stronger it's the same for a person in terms of their being also uh the body needs to move we weren't we're not made to sit around all day long and we're not made to sit and do nothing and just eat processed stuff you know also which is really like so bizarre how much nudging is going on to try and get everyone to eat fake processed meat everywhere it is driving me nuts it's driving me nuts as well it is all that plant-based meat [ __ ] there was an article recently where bill gates said that wealthy countries show that a hundred percent to plant-based meat like what you you first bill go for it he i think he's already doing it he's watching look at him it shows like that stuff's terrible for your body listen to me folks if you want to eat vegan there's nothing wrong with doing that you can do it and you can do it healthy and you can sustain rigorous levels of physical activity with a vegan diet some people some people can but the point is like you don't do it with fake meat you do it with pea protein you do it with hemp protein you do with eating fresh vegetables you don't have these [ __ ]
garbage fake meat alternatives if you don't want to eat meat just don't eat meat right eating that stuff is not good for you they're like crammed with seed oil yes and just trash it's just it's as processed as dog food and some of it when lined up against itself ingredients wise it is indescribable indistinguishable from dog food dog food's probably more nutritious top food in general is probably more nutritious but most dog food is a lot of protein to me veganism is if you're a vegan because you have such um empathetic and emotional attachment to the to animals in any way and you can't see yourself having an animal die in any sense for you to okay valid you do what you got to do to make this work for you but i accept that and it's totally fine and every other all the stuff about this is healthier it's this it's that [ __ ] this is a luxury diet born of modernity this is you know it's exactly the kind of thing you would see in the kali yuga it is this idea that you can somehow all pretty much every historical tribe peoples nations everything that has helped people grow the fact that it is said that our ability to harness fire and cook animal proteins is what allowed us to get in the caloric and and vitamin and intake that we needed for our brains to grow to become us yeah i think it's a primary factor and you know even proteins you're going to have to do stuff to help break it down whatever it doesn't have the same amino acid profiles i mean it's just it's just not it's not but if you the point is like if you do study it meticulously and you're very careful you can live a vegan diet and you're healthy i know a lot of people that do it but the point is it's like you don't do it through fake meat that [ __ ] is not good for you but there's plenty of vegetables that are great for you 100 you can eat legumes and lentils and blends of lentils and rice and there's ways to do it and you know what parts that's true but yeah this all the nudging for fake meat is
just like okay it's like i i don't know why people are listening to him in that regard you should listen to him and how to how to market an operating system and make billions of dollars they listen to amazing job with that they listen to him because he is part of our aristocracy yeah and our aristocracy is nothing but managerial rent-seeking elites that don't know how to make or create anything anymore or they have a capability in one sector that they then think gives them the understanding capability across all things that's a very good way to put it that's a very good way to put it and i like that you called them aristocracy because that's essentially the way we look at extremely wealthy business people in this country we look at them as like if this guy is able to accumulate billions of dollars he must be a special class of person because clearly that's the one thing that every working person aspires to is to become exorbitantly wealthy and that may be true and that special class is psychopath maybe right right a lot of business he is an exceptional class of person in a very specific context yes but that doesn't make them exceptional right like do you think bill gates could [ __ ] fight at all no no no bill gates part of what makes a bill gates is that all the violence that he ever needs in the world to allow him to have what he needs is already proxied out and he never has to be the one to employ it yes so if if at any point all aspects of of governance and personal private security just says nope you're on your own right and we will prosecute no one for what happens to you well that he's done that is a if he's which means head of the wolf which means that's it you're on your own you get no no one will come for you no one will help you anyone can attack you at any moment for any reason you are under no protection under rome have fun bill gates is gone yeah quickly because that is the reality of life
period yeah at all points rate him the way they raid a san francisco walgreens you'll get snatched out of the air [Laughter] you'll get snatched out of the air like some hapless [ __ ] seagull by a chimpanzee how wild is that video this is the greatest video it is pretty great and i almost as great as i write some little comment like oh this is the deepest one of the deepest truths of being right here and then watching the just like midwife level responses and watch them go after each other i'm like it it's it's that's why i don't read responses no i just want to enjoy that champ beating that seat over there i know what's happening personally like to read i i read all the comments and everything because i look for the threads what is the perception of me what is the perception of what i say it's not about whether it's true or it's false i'm just trying to get an idea of what it's not a champer it's a monkey it has a tail right it is a monkey is that a monkey is that his feet or is that it's hard to tell i think that's a tail it's hard either way it's it's locked in on there uh on that pole with a lot of with his balance is solid which he says something about [ __ ] monkeys right that's a monkey tail i think that thing the the low thing is the tail that's holding on to the tree but he is beating the [ __ ] out of that seagull that is so wild and he's gonna eat it well that's probably that's probably what he wants i mean this poor bastard has probably been living in this [ __ ] zoo being tortured for uh he's in a prison for no fault of his own right he didn't do anything wrong born in a prison right his throneness was to grow up in in bars and then he figured out how to climb up there and snatch one of those [ __ ] right from the sky nature finds a way bro that does i i've i [ __ ] love this video first of all seagulls are [ __ ] if you don't know seagulls are some of the most evil birds you ever see seagulls try to
eat other birds oh they're nasty they're nasty man there's seagulls everywhere they're everywhere they are brutal little cities pigeons swallow them whole there's a great video of a seagull eating a rat hole oh i'm in new york city it is crazy this rat is gigantic and this seagull is like choking down actually it might be in italy now that i think about it seagulls are brutal yeah they're brutal animals so that i'll i'm team primate i'm all with that monkey i mean if he was a crow i'd be upset about it but right i like crows me too crows smart magpies ravens i'm all about one of my favorite videos online is there's a raven or a crow whichever one was who convinces these two cats to fight he instigates a fight yes he goes to one cat [ __ ] with him and then flies over to the other roof and [ __ ] with the other cat and then goes back and forth until the cats decide they're never gonna catch this bird but they're so round up they're so angry they start going to war and the the raven follows them he's the crow is like laughing while these guys are going to war huguen and moonin they're there are in the eddas and all the norse myths for a reason yeah there's they go out and they bring they bring things back to odin yeah well you've seen them do tricks right where they figure out how to use tools to get if you split their tongue i think it allows them to they can start to speak you can teach them to speak look at this research shows that crows and other corvids a family of birds that includes ravens and magpies know what they know and can ponder the content of their own minds according to a 2020 study in estate this is considered a cornerstone of self-awareness and shared by just a handful of animal species besides humans i wonder what the test entailed that they can ponder the content of their own minds i know i saw an article talking about that uh chickens can actually be trained to have like the intelligence of like a toddler like a three-year-old where they you can teach them to to take shapes and put them in the right boxes and things like that yeah bro i've
never seen an animal more vicious than a chicken when it's confronted with a mouse oh i had four of them in hollywood of all things and i would watch them just annihilate lizards and what have you and then one time this little chihuahua somehow i don't know got loose from its you know it's it's trophy wife or whatever it's hollywoodite and it's running around oh my god precious where'd you go and it ended up somehow in our backyard cornered and and we hear this noise i hear this the chickens are going crazy he's like what the hell is going on out there this this this chihuahua is cornered with all four chickens just like they're trying to eat it gonna take it apart if they don't act right yeah if you're small enough a chicken will bust a move on you it's dinosaurs they really are they're they are such little creeps but uh you know we we think that we can compartmentalize everything we do oh i go and i i work out because i want a six-pack or i work out because you know we always have this external reason instead of an internal reason of i'm a human being and i need to [ __ ] move right i can't sit here and be unable to open a jar that's pathetic right you know a jar in and of itself is technology manifest and now i'm too weak to even operate the thing that's made to make my life [ __ ] easier i can't how do you get more pathetic than that well it's also just for the management of the mind just to make sure that everything runs smoothly i i 100 believe the body needs activity yes you need something you need something and i think the mind needs challenges too i don't think it's as simple as the the body needs activity it's one of the reasons why discipline training like endurance training is so good for you because it trains the mind because the mind you don't think of like a discipline activity like like long distance running or any kind of like deep heavy endurance training it's a mind yes it is because you're going to get to this you're going to get to this point where it's either your mind decides that you're going to get it done or your mind or you'd make a decision
it's not possible right and when you're doing these kind of hard strenuous activities and i explain this to my fighters constantly most of this incredibly hard training it isn't so much about the body it's about you telling yourself that i can go past what i thought my limitations were yeah and it's such it's such a throwaway concept in today's way of being that people just think like oh that's just you know part of like oh uh i can biohack the body i could do that it's just the whole concept everybody says that it's like no this is fundamental towards your development and and like you say being able to even sitting here and you and me talking about this whole chris rock thing me disagreeing on one end you starting from another and i don't think we really disagree though exactly but but even still what did we have about a dialogue and we expressed all these different things you know it could just be you know people work just on that surface to begin with because you know that's how our our our heuristics work right we don't have until we have the opportunity to sit down and get into the deeper branches of all this where it starts from you know it's like an hourglass you know all these ideas come to this one point and then they can all break away into others and being able to have these conversations to have people around you you can have that so so to speak conflict with yeah is good yes this is this is part of the process part of why i'm trying to track down eric uh who i know is an incredibly busy person is because i want to talk to him so that he can challenge my ideas and vice versa and that we can get insights that we wouldn't have had otherwise because i want to to try and get the most out of life and i want to get the most out of me and hopefully my friends think i'm helping them in the same way yeah that's one of the things that's come out of this podcast for me that was uh in a sense accidental because i started it out just to have fun and just talk with friends and have a good time and
then along the way it became a thing where i got to sit down with very intelligent people and pick their brains and get to see how their minds decipher the world and through that i've learned so much about the way my own brain works and and why you know you you've you'll you'll slide into one pattern or another pattern it might not necessarily even be accurate or relative the the way that people that are not being disingenuous describe your podcast as an exploration of ideas and conversations is a hundred percent true and last time i sat in here which is also kind of funny because uh i can't wait for everyone to be like oh my god i can't believe you did joe rogan like just like my sixth time [ __ ] but uh it's i said it last time this right now is so [ __ ] important i cannot stress it anymore that there is a place where people can come on here and have conversations and express ideas i don't give a [ __ ] if you like them or not you have to you have to interact with that which is the unknown and that which you don't even like yes you know i when it came to things that i felt were [ __ ] up or ideas or idea a lot ideologies and philosophical contents that i'm like whoa whoa whoa none of this reads okay in my book at all my my position isn't to then go just read all the things and study all the things of people that hate it no you've got to go to the source go go let it find out why speak to you itself and then once you've done that now you can make your own decision at least you heard their arguments hopefully and in the best way that they felt they could make them and being here and especially seeing after i mean it's just so to me a lot of things are are self-evident in terms of
the actions that happen and the the what seems to be a really clear underlying reason why you catch coven you say hey i did this and i'm good and that was great i'm glad i'm not hurt this is what i did this is for all of you to understand what i went through so i'm help in a way i saw it as joe rogan is giving his experience to try and bring something good into the world it wasn't it wasn't there was nothing framed about it in like and you know i did it with this one trick that they don't want you to know about it wasn't that kind of thing it was just simply a matter of hey man here's what i went through here's what i did to the detail hey man i'm okay take it for what you will i'm just trying to put things out into the into the ether to to bring more things to the world and maybe it's going to help other people but the response was hey that's not the narrative [ __ ] you you got to be destroyed and i'm like that i mean how how does somebody not and then seeing people like yeah i see exactly joe rogan's so evil he's such a bad person wait a second we're literally in a pandemic a guy says hey i'm suffering in this tube but i did this and it seemed to work for me hey do something with it if you want you know maybe this could be useful for you or other people or someone else could go why don't we run this through some sort of controlled study as best as we can let's try to use some potential positive opportunities to then apply it to other people but no no that's not the way we've decided this has to be that's not the route that we have decided through propaganda and you know basically nudging and other things you know read walter littman's uh public opinion go read edward bernays's propaganda and uh public relations and then go see how this [ __ ] is fully applied through this concept of the cathedral at anything it determines is a heretic
and it's like well is the point for us through our actions to make the world a better place potentially or to have things out there for other people to use to maybe create their own benefit or is the whole point of why we're doing this to create this structure for whatever oligarchs remain at the top to then decide how the world should exist for you and for you to then just go okay this is the punch card you've put into eniac right now this is what i'm gonna do because you put it in you told me how i was supposed to act yeah it was an extreme time where people were so tested like their their ability to deal with adversity their ability to deal with anxiety all those were stressed to attend and people freaked out and they're looking for things to freak out about and when someone took what they think is like an alternative path it didn't get vaccinated but got over covered very quickly with a series of medications they they thought that i was doing something evil and i'm like look i'm just telling you yes that this is what i did and they only focus on that one drug two crazy because that was the number one thing yeah that was making the rounds that was counter narrative yeah and the cathedral this concept of like essentially the the idea was originally pen is it's all these emergent disassociated groups but they all worship at the same church so they're all they're all in the same religion anyways so they all have the same belief structure although i tend to believe that there is actually some levels of collusion at the highest levels where there is some organization don't tell me that the mainstream media doesn't talk to politicians or talk to this person or that person or speak with bill gates before they go on to think whatever they're doing 100 100 they're one they're also 100 influenced by the companies that pay for their advertising of course they are you know and seen all those ads and if there's one thing at the bottom of all this when it came to kovid one we as a people especially in the west
kali yuga we're afraid of death death violence these are abstract ideas now these are things that happen to other people not to us these are things that don't exist for me they exist for someone over there and having that unhealthy relationship with death puts you in a really unhealthy unhealthy relationship with being because you're denying an absolute you're denying your endpoint whether you like it or not you are refusing to engage with something that is in your future when don't know a lot of things go into that but with kovid the denial of death was so strong and was pushing people to act so utterly irrational and erratic it was it was well i mean it was a great example of the decline of the west manifest and the fact that people don't have that internal security in like well you know i've done my life i've lived my life i'm gonna do the best that i can by the things that i think are the way to approach the world and when i die i die i just hope that what i put into it was something that is now within everybody that was a part of my life and everybody was a part of my life before that put into me i've put into them and it will live on and like the idea of not necessarily a great chain of being because that that's a it's kind of a different concept but that i carry the fire for jim harrison i carry the fire for fred sotto i carry the fire for santiano all these people that have ever been in my life i carry the fire for carl gotch and billy robinson and whatever i do when i sit here on this podcast billy and carl and sentient and all these folks my dad my grandfather they're here with me as i speak to you as i have what i have formulated in my way of being in my design is here it's the same for anyone if you want to actually if you want to make this a part of who you are if you want to actu if you really want to actualize
everything that's been put into you and passed through like we don't i'm not just here on a rock spinning in space i'm an evolved monkey blob i'm not living in this state of nihilism doesn't bring you anything but misery and you lose out on so much you don't just lose out on let's say success or or like especially material things no you lose out on the deeper things the spiritual things the you lose out on the true beauty of the world yeah you do you do you lose out on what's amazing about being a person is that you can meet people like yourself that have been tested and through that have developed these exceptional characters and because of your exceptional character it makes for a fascinating friendship well yeah i'd like to think so me might be me being your friend i could tell you personally that i always use you an example as an educated savage i know i know and i'm always and prior to coming on the podcast and my my girlfriend will she'll back it up i'm like oh [ __ ] i'm actually nervous right now because you know we're buddies and we've been doing this for for a while now but now this [ __ ] is so [ __ ] huge i know it's weird that it's like oh no like is everyone going to pour over every single little thing they will say because there's more people pouring over it but it's the same thing i do it the same way yeah it's the same thing but uh conversation it's true and and you know she's she's asking me about like what time are you supposed to be there like i don't know you'll tell me and she's like this is like the biggest [ __ ] podcast in the world i go i know but but it's my buddy we're the same yeah it's my buddy that's if i become something different because it grew bigger i'll quit if i if it gets to a point where i can't do it anymore or i have to do it in some sort of weird way where i i you know i walk on eggshells and mine my p's and q's oh [ __ ] that no i get you and you need to be able to do whatever you're going to do with 100 sincerity yeah and you need to be you and especially this yes this requires sincerity without it this show
doesn't have any success everybody's complaint 99 we'll just we'll just say 99 of everyone's complaint on you any criticism is essentially a they're they're levying a insincere they're they're saying that they're putting in sincerity on you that's really what it is joe rogan is this because of that joe rogan is that because of this and it's always from a concept of insincerity it isn't because of the actual content of your stuff because they've decided they've already packaged and framed up who you are and what you are what you're talking about why you're talking about it in a way that has insincerity and some sort of ulterior motive beyond this is me this is what i'm into this is what i believe now but yet i'm gonna have people on here to talk to me about these things and yes you will argue with people about stuff that you don't buy into you'll also allow yourself to be convinced and and that's the thing is that until you you sit by and allow someone to show you these different ideas and approaches even to understand like that's total [ __ ] yeah you don't know it until you've allowed you don't engage with that really allow someone to express themselves openly and we live in an era where essentially everybody assumes everything is insincere where you know people look at approach everything from well i have ulterior motives for what i want to do i want material gains i want this i want notoriety i want to be famous or what have you not just i want to do something because i think it's a good thing to do and it intrigues me and i like it but the thing is when you do something like that because it's a good thing to do because it intrigues you and you like it it resonates with people because they're so starving for that because most of what you see you see a lot of people that are cynical and they think that everything is insincere and
you just find the thing that's the most acceptable to you that's also insincere and that's how we pick up politicians everyone's a grifter yeah everyone is [ __ ] except for my side we have now we have two teams of morons and they're supposedly you know oh well this guy you know the reason why you know gas is going up is this that in the it's because of this right no it's not right it's you know the price of price of the barrel of oil dropped at one point and the price of gas still went up you know it's like oh sagar and jetty has a really good analysis of what is causing the rise of gas prices i don't want to [ __ ] it up but i would guide people to go look up uh rise uh nothing excuse me that's their old show uh breaking points it's their new show with crystal and sauger and and sagar breaks down in a very detailed and nuanced way what's going on at the simple to even to dumb it down to it to it's to it the simplest version i could think of you know instead of telling everyone to buy evs and you know all of a sudden hey you got 50 grand laying around buying ev yeah or like we're gonna have to cinch our belts up hey how about you just take away the excise taxes for right now did you see some of the [ __ ] hot takes on this from bloomberg because some of them no way bloomberg with stupid decision stupid talk i can't believe telling people that they should avoid chemotherapy for their dog that was one of them i'm not kidding i'm gonna because i made a screenshot of it because it was so [ __ ] crazy that i was like that can't be what someone's actually saying people should do because because there's no [ __ ] there's because they're running out of money see if you can find that jamie before i find the screenshot because i think it's in here i'm gonna try to find it well they had it was a tweet and in the tweet they had made a synopsis of what you you need to be doing to me to use archive dot today when you pull these things up so you get no pay walls when i get a pay well i know what to do yeah i just don't it doesn't always come up right away
i'm trying to find don't make the mainstream media money i make too many goddamn screenshots unfortunately of stupid [ __ ] so do i because i find so much of it it just drives me nuts or good meme drops in you're like i need that i need that i've got it in here somewhere it's i know it's close but uh yeah of course i mean i in in an unreality living in unreality of course that's it eat beans take the bus skip getting chemo for your sick dog see if you find the actual tweet because it's so stupid it makes me furious yeah [ __ ] your your animal companion that you've raised yeah and that you love and loves you back dude let me tell you something don't buy in bulk i would i would take out a loan before try lentils instead of meat more nudging by the way to get you to stop eating animal products yeah what the [ __ ] man nobody said this would be fun yeah [ __ ] you like what does that mean nobody said this would be fun look at that thanks dad look at this inflation stings most if you earn less than three hundred thousand that's a lot of [ __ ] money here's how to deal talk about being delusional and out of touch inflation stings if you earn less than a third of a million dollars a year then no [ __ ] it's things yeah duh no [ __ ] but here's what you should do take the bus don't buy in bulk try lentils instead of meat and nobody said this would be fun nobody said this was going to [ __ ] happen yeah nobody said it was going to happen nobody said that any of this [ __ ] was going to go down by the way no one said that we were going to have some uh uh plausibly lab uh altered coronavirus released on the world no one said that uh we were gonna have uh uh a war in in ukraine in europe no one said that but but yet by the way it's like it's a shift like covet doesn't exist anymore because now we have the ukraine war and so on and so on and so on like there's always a constant new thing it's like nope that doesn't exist
anymore now this is this and the same people are now tweeting about it my favorite you know some of my favorites are um was it trump was talking to zielinski i guess at one point about there was like phone calls like oh see this you know but but ukraine and zielinski said oh he didn't force me to do anything or threaten me or whatever it's like but you're just a corrupt imbecile and you don't doesn't matter what you have to say and now it's like no but you're actually the reincarnation of rambo and mother teresa all at once so it's like well which is it i mean is he a human being or is he just uh uh some sort of uh stand-in for whatever your your narrative needs to be and then with inflation i saw an article i don't remember who it was wall street journal or bloomberg or some other midwife you know news source it's like oh inflation is on the rise and that's a good thing yeah what who now this is what i want to be living in who is that a hot take for for clicks is that like a click bait thing or is that do you think in the most cynical sense would be someone is giving them a narrative and it's like i want to give them a merit a good spin on why you don't have any money we don't have yeah i i mean maybe but my personal opinion is it's if if your upper echelon of elites are just managerial types that they see they get their rent seekers they get in a position all they do is they get rent off of it they can't make create or build or fix anything all they can do is manage they can push the papers along they can they can make the system grow they can put more managerials in they can solidify their position they can consolidate things but they can't make stuff they cannot if there's a problem they can't really fix it because one they're absolutely way too [ __ ] slow at doing anything because there's so many steps in between all aspects to like fix something like i guess flint has water now but it took forever and by the way nobody even i mean most people have probably forgotten completely that there was an entire american city with
poisoned water right and no one ever really followed up on hey guess what uh we did something about it nobody said anything and then i don't know if they have done anything about it i read an article that said because i looked up on them like what the [ __ ] happened with this and it's like oh yeah actually everything's good now but people in flint are have such low trust that they won't drink the water and he still well they should have low trust well yeah of course but remember when obama went there and drank the water like a stunt remember that it's one of my favorite like weird moments because he sipped the water in like the is the tiniest little bird sip did i get a glass of water i'm thirsty this isn't even a stunt michelle here i'd like a glass of water she gave me this glass on our wedding night come on man take a no it's you know what it is just and yet uh if it's one side he's he's your god if it's another side he's your devil and i'm like on both ends it's like guess what you'd you if obama's the devil and you think you then and you think your guy's some sort of saint you're [ __ ] yeah you've got it all wrong well what he definitely is is the best representation of an intelligent articulate statesman who is a president of our lifetime other than clinton and clinton was kind of a sketchy dude like to [ __ ] everybody yes you know it seems like clinton oh all he is i got a glass of water let me hear this yeah from the beginning can i hear it from the beginning electrolytes not from the beginning is a long long video give me a call because he says can i get a glass of water he goes back this is the part that's fun uh can can i get some water imagine living in a city where your water is poisoned and you cheer and that's how much they love this guy i mean when he was a president at the very least we knew that we had a super intelligent very like he he was composed you know what we knew we [ __ ] together had a first-rate manager yes yes we've we felt like he's smarter than
us of course if i if i saw him on tv i'm like well that seems like a president to me look i voted for him yeah i did too if you look at like joe biden unfortunately you're looking at him and you're going i don't know what he's capable of i don't think he's capable of figuring out problems i mean he's saying crazy [ __ ] in the white house has to go that that's how much i mean no no right that's not a joke but we still have not just across the u.s but across the entire west we have the oligarchs and they are oligarchs go read political parties by robert mckells and he will outline why every group every group eventually becomes an oligarchy it is impossible for it not to and especially in politics it's impossible it will always be an older why why is that because in the realm of politics okay you got all this mass of people these people need to make a decision so at some point they're going to go through some process of figuring out who they want their representatives to be because everyone can't speak at once someone's got to distill the messages and what have you and people don't want to work in a gigantic collective of everything at some point somebody is going to be either the natural born leader or they're going to make them the leader because it isn't for everyone and it's not even to everyone's capabilities to be the leader or to be the spokesperson to deal with the the conflict from com from argumentation and so on and so forth and to be the person to stand up and to get people to believe like if he says to do it i'll do it you know what i mean right also you then also start to have things like all right we live in this in a liberal democratic republic so you're gonna need in politics oh i need someone to run my campaign i need someone to do this someone's gotta so you start getting the division of labor in and amongst even your political party itself to then handle all these specific tasks and get specialized people to do it well then they also then become part of that oligarchy because it can't just be joe schmoe and and betty nobody it's got to be somebody
that is either a capable of being the person that's the the campaign manager and the script the speech writer script writer one of the same kind of all this you know different things and this is all working towards your your upper echelon to go out there and to represent on your behalf and especially in america which is a representative republic it's a representative democracy somebody has is there on your behalf although there is a jillion unelected non-democratic officials like afauchi or what have you that are out there making all kinds of rules doing all kinds of things that you have no say in and you get to do nothing about it right but the thing is as mickels points out it it always eventually either by necessity or just by nature every group becomes an oligarchy always and the thing about it is okay well if it is an oligarchy one you should be you should be truthful about it and not try to lie to everyone and say like oh no we all have a say in this no the [ __ ] you don't you don't we do and if we don't like the sound of that we ain't changing it period and instead in this modern age what we'll do is we'll get the cathedral to go and tell you how you're supposed to think and then you'll come around to us or we'll nudge you until eventually you come to the point that you know what eating meat is bad you know why because reasons and stats and studies and statistics and climate you know climate climate is one and it's like climate becomes more of a vehicle to insert particular political ideologies more than it has anything to do with saving the planet yeah and that's part of the problem with any cause that we have that's a giant national cause they get they use them they manipulate them you know it's like whenever uh any sort of tragic event happens there's a lot of times people think that well maybe it was orchestrated because you see how these people are using this event no that's like their default mechanism they take advantage of chaos and of any kind of
big event to implement ideas they already had like when when 9 11 happened one of the things about the patriot act there was a bunch of [ __ ] they were already trying to pass through and they couldn't get it before 9 11. no but once 911 came along they go hey now we got our shot yep let's get in this mass surveillance let's start [ __ ] ramping up our security state hey uh saudi arabia funded a bunch of these guys to get all their training and all this kind of stuff for funding came through saudi arabia and then you know we're doing all this this um we're doing all this stuff with military arms and all this backing and supporting of saudi arabia we go to saudi arabia and say hey can you put more oil and they go nah that's recently right yeah what is what i don't know what's in there because i'm only reading headlines in that because it's just it's too much well for one i mean not to get all into the ukraine but um it's fog of war you just can't know it and now with our massive media state there's no you're going to only know what they want you to know and to be able to get through and try to even understand some semblance of truth is going to be incredibly difficult and at the end of the day you have innocence dying on both ends for reasons that don't seem to be you know logical no i want to recommend a podcast to people because a lot of people recommend it to me and i'm in the middle of it right now and it's excellent it's about ukraine if you want to get an understanding of like what's happening why it's happening it's called the marty maid podcast excuse me martyr made martyr made martyr made podcast and it's called thoughts on ukraine updated and remastered and um it's very well thought out very uh it's very intense i'd like to add really um listen to samo bergia burya's uh conversation he ha how do you say his name samo s-a-m-o-b-u-r-j-a
uh he has a company that is centered around analyzing all world events and politics and everything and trying to bismarck analytics and there i'd also say michael malus and and curtis jarvin on you're welcome michael mouse is great he's a good dude i'd like to meet him at some point i want to argue with him about uh he's out here oh well i'll try and you know track him down lex uh said that suggested that you know that him i and lex all sit together i was like well i'd love that so i'd like to talk about anarcho-capitalism and anarchy in general and why it doesn't work but i also respect him in a lot of ways for putting his opinions out there and look if he's friends with lex and he's friends with you and he's friends with my other buddy ethan he's gotta no you'll love him but he's a great guy and and yarvin as smeared and misunderstood as he is i think has a lot of interesting insight and i also think that you know just for your own sake not just ukraine or any but for any understanding and getting a better idea on all about how especially the west works on a political level read james burnham's machiavellians it is the easiest way to get familiarized with the cons with the thinkings of the what's called the italian elite theorists gaitano mosca vilfredo paredo and uh robert mckells and they look at politics from the perspective of power but from also the perspective of how these things work especially in a democratic sense and how even though the concept of what we would call liberalism which as in a side note i hate it when people call leftism liberalism or leftist liberals i'm like no everybody in america essentially is a liberal because we are a liberal society we are built on classic english liberalism that is the the bedrock of who we are um as a nation but uh liberalism likes to say that no no we're
all in this we all have a say we all and they say no you [ __ ] don't actually you think you do but that's not true and in fact at some point this all goes away and the oligarchs and the managerial class decide everything for you and you're you you think that what you're doing is going to influence these things but it doesn't you think that when oh there's this big you know uprising of uh populist movement of against this or that it's like yeah it was all astroturf i'm sure somebody in the elite class somewhere funded it the the government either put rules in place to to increase its probability of happening you know which is an argument of uh uh law uh culture is decided by law and not the other way um and that's an even deeper concept to get into but just simply that at the end of the day human beings organize themselves in such a way that there's always a representative at some point and be it a king be it a president be it an elite managerial class that's how it's going to happen and once a managerial class sets itself up the only thing it wants to do especially is manage because it's not there to create it's not there to to fix or no it's there to continue management and to ensure most of all that they stay there that they don't lose their positions and so a lot of what i saw coveted as like this is managerialism manifest it is it's not about whether this is healthy or that's healthier that we could make this change or okay what we didn't know an overreaction makes sense it's the unknown and even despite our massive fear of death in this in modernity in the kali yuga we still need to approach things the unknown as like well i don't it's the unknown the [ __ ] if i know what's really going to happen yeah i'm probably going to overreact until i know more i've had a little bit more time
then i can readjust but the readjustment really never happened very it definitely didn't happen with any sort of real speed because the managerial class is sitting back like we cannot we cannot make a mistake on this in any way where it can be used against us regardless if it's small or large right or wrong if it was right i guess it wouldn't even be a mistake but any way that it could be used as ammo against us to lose our position to our enemies because all politics is breaking down breaks down into a friend enemy distinction and you know that who is along with my narrative is my friend and that who is against it is my enemy because if you're against it that means you could then use it to somehow say i don't deserve to be here and if i lose my spot in the managerial i've lost and all this all this way of rent seeking is now taken from me and that's all i do anyways because i'm not capable of probably starting a successful car company where i redesign suspension or i do no no all i know how to do i go to school i get raised up through this managerial oligarchic class i go to the right schools i say all the right things i join the right clubs i get primed to go into places then i get to become a managerial myself and when i'm in politics i'm part of that managerial oligarchic class and then when i leave politics i'm still in it because now i'm working at pfizer when i used to be a part of the whatever like the fda yeah or this and i'm going back and forth between the two i'm doing all this stuff from monsanto then i'm president then i go back to it and then you know i get to go and do meeting uh dinners while i'm in office at thirty thousand fifty thousand dollars a plate and rake in all this cash and then go back to being telling you about how you need to sense your belts about this or that or you know any number of reasons you can any other scenarios you can come up with and uh that managerial class of person
isn't capable of then coming down here and running a simple podcast no their podcast has to be backed by uh parts of the cathedral that then back the managerial class that then uh to allow them to continue to to push the same narratives that their class wants you to push and and put things out there the way that they think is beneficial to them so they can then go back to being a manager in some other way and you know it's like the homeless problem in l.a every time i see someone rallying for they're going to go for some office i'm like well i'm going to do this i'm going to build this low-income housing how are you going to put a paranoid schizophrenic on crack in a low income housing yeah how are you going to do that you basically don't really give a [ __ ] about all these people in the streets suffering you think that it's okay for a person to live this way you know deranged in their own head self-medicating and living in filth as long as you create some boondoggle where you're you've got a bunch of property development people that are making money off of it and you're making money off of it and your little shadow corp or whatever is making it's just like how could you know you have to be a machiavellian to do that and sit back and then walk out on those streets if you're maxing waters and i was in her district not long ago and it's like wow she don't come around got nothing to do with any of this you know that that area is a [ __ ] holy mess all of la is turning into a holy mess joe i have a buddy that comes from freaking staten island and he goes what the [ __ ] dude yeah i oh i this is this is this is how we run things here we don't fix problems we just create them yeah it just increases you know i never had this perspective on homelessness i always thought that the problem was just really big and if they had more money they'd be able to solve it sorry yeah i think you just need more whiskey yeah maybe but then my friend coleon noir pointed out that you know he's a lawyer and he went to san francisco
and he was talking to these people up there about the homeless problem and they basically laid out and go no no this is a giant money-making scam the reason why it's never going to go away is that there's a large payroll of people that are making exorbitant amounts of money to deal with the homeless now those people would have no job nope if the homeless problem was somehow another solved and i'm like how much money they're making so he pulls up this [ __ ] list of people in in la and there's like people on the list that make a quarter million dollars a year and they're not doing a good job like obviously the homeless situation no bigger and bigger every year seattle too the budget keeps getting bigger and bigger and then these people make more and more money and it never gets solved no of course not because solving it one they're not capable of solving it yeah they're brent seeking managerials they can't solve [ __ ] also how do you solve like what you said how do you take a schizophrenic crack addict i think the only way that i can think of is one you would have to you'd have to basically essentially outlaw homelessness and say look in a especially in a metropolitan dense populated area you cannot have homelessness like this because one don't let you can't have people out here suffering like this that's [ __ ] up it's not okay number two uh those people are a potential criminal problem too because there's a health hazard number three it's a health hazard because you have all these populations intermingled with each other but they're not going and getting uh healthcare and other things i mean they can't take care of themselves so diseases are gonna spread amongst these groups at different rates not to mention there's a potential for superbugs to create and or medieval diseases to come back there was a typhus outbreak in l.a and and that's because now you got all these rats around the waste and the and the trash and all this plus and then you make the environment
ugly disgusting unlivable and look where what you live around absolutely affects the way you you feel but it also affects the way you interact with the environment around you if you think you live in [ __ ] barter town you're gonna act like it's barter town right period right you're gonna tag every [ __ ] thing up with every sloppy shitty [ __ ] tag you're gonna you're gonna throw your trash out you're not going to care you just you know oh that's just another homeless guy instead of being like god damn you know another human being why is this person suffering on the street well you know why they're suffering on the street could be a number of things but it ain't the the the regular narrative that oh they just fell on hard times right fell on hard times and then all of a sudden believe people were trying to get them and or they're bipolar to such a degree that they're harming themselves and others no the only thing i can think of is you have to you'd have to make it essentially illegal you would have to create a big-ass camp and you would have to round these folks up clean them up because a person that can't bathe themselves is a massive [ __ ] thing human beings want to be able to clean themselves feel like they've refreshed who they are you got to give them psychiatric treatment you got to help them get off the drugs you got to help them give them drugs if they need them for these things that are ailing their their mental state that are keeping them in this broken realm of suffering that doesn't allow them to actualize who they are then you have to give them a work opportunity because human beings need to do something so in and amongst that maybe it's just i to me i think oh it's beautification cleaning up all the graffiti cleaning up the trash giving someone something to do pay them some sort of a small wage because you're covering all their now you're covering their their their living quarters and all this stuff and you're giving them medication you're giving them help getting them off of
drugs you the state has credit unions and all these things you open an account in their name now they're getting a bit of money for everything they go out and do now if they want to at some time they can go okay you're clean you're good to go you know what medications you need you're in the system go take the money go do what you want to do with it or maybe integrate into the program and now you can help other people maybe now you can start going to school learn how to go into psychology and psychiatry maybe then at some point you could be the person that's diagnosing this person trying to help them out and get them off the street and you create this process that tries to get people from this position of being deranged and in the dirt to able to to have some some kind of way of actualizing their life and making their own rational decisions well they've done something about it here in austin and i had a long conversation with the mayor about it here and one one of his points is that austin only had about 2 000 homeless people and he's like 2 000 maybe 3 000 homeless people and he's like we can fix that that that can be worked he goes when it gets to the state where like los angeles is when you're dealing with several hundred thousand people potentially i'm not no i don't know what the real number is right but it's he goes it's too much it's insurmountable but at some point you got to sit back and go we can find every reason to spend inordinate amounts i mean i drove by and uh officer coughlin who i was doing a ride along with he shows me this this new container homes that they're building he goes you know how much that one up on the top is running going for it how much the cost is on 600 grand i go what for a container home yeah six where is it down towards in and around watts close to it and so is it like a complex container home because i know that yeah it's like they're all snatched on each other and all this kind of stuff but it's like you really think you're going
to get a paranoid schizophrenic to go live in this or even just a drug addict because now it's like well they ran this experiment in seattle and they put these little these little shelters up and almost didn't use them because one if you're a paranoid schizophrenic or something some neurodivergent on that level uh i'm sure you're just like that doesn't seem like a wise idea for someone to know exactly where i'm at at all times right if you're even just considering the fact of that what you're doing with drugs and maybe prostitution or whatever is illegal well now the cops know where you are in your mind i don't want to be there right so it didn't work it didn't do anything not only that when you're living in los angeles you can exist in a tent it doesn't really get cold enough to kill you that's true it's not that big a deal or you roll up uh an rv yeah and you just sit there and you chill out there and and it's it's a [ __ ] up problem it is a [ __ ] up i want to because we're running out of time but i wanted to bring up this one thing that you brought up earlier because i think there's you've made a really good point but i think there's more to it when you're talking about people that want to avoid death and that this is uh like a main component of our life is like no one wants to die you want to avoid death you don't even think about it when do you think that because of the fact that we don't experience death the way maybe some primitive cultures did that we have disconnected with it we don't think of it as this inevitable inevitable unavoidable thing instead we think of it almost like something that's not going to happen to me and that like if you think about like the spartans when the spartans would meet someone who was 30 years old they would treat them with extreme distrust like how are you alive like have you made it to 30. they thought that person maybe was like a traitor or an enemy or a coward or someone who avoided conflict like how did you ever get to be this old and and not get killed in battle we don't see a lot of death here and i think because of
that in most places because of that we don't have the same sort of resolve about the inevitability of death that i think some cultures do have well modernity um is a major cause to this uh but let's just say specifically in the west like i said earlier death is an abstract concept it's something that happens to other people right in some far away place that doesn't exist around me be it war famine or even just natural causes we know people die but they're not but we're never ready for it we never expect it and then when it happens it's like oh no don't touch it don't touch it or it'll get on you but the thing is so a friend of mine one of my best friends his dad is is uh well he's not in his best place mentally and physically and my buddy um he he looks at it like you know what i'm gonna do my best for my father as much as i can and i'm going to help him in every way that is possible but he is going to die and he doesn't know when he doesn't know uh especially because it could take all kinds of turns at places that he doesn't know and he can't necessarily expect but at the end of the day you know we just sat down there we looked each other in the aisle and i just say look whatever whenever however just call me and i'll be there and we'll take him and we'll do what needs to be done we'll if we're going to bury him on his own land if we're going to do this we're going to do that are you allowed to do that i don't know but all i know is this when the people that are of my tribe of my family of my things in life are there when death greets them i'll be there with them and when they're when their body is without life i will not treat them as if it is something that i don't want to get on me i will hold that hand cold as it may be and i will know that this too is for me and in this moment i will not let this person
be i will not let this person essentially be alone and that's that i'm not afraid of death not my death not other people's death not death in general because it's not like i'm so tough or cool or unafraid of anything it is just that i've accepted this i live my life in a way where death is beside me at all times um i remember having to have an mri for something and i'm like oh [ __ ] you know some some heavy [ __ ] was going on and i told this i told someone i go you know the only thing i thought of at that moment was you know what the only thing that matters to me is i refuse to die a coward's death that's it that is it i don't care anything else i will not die at coward's death i will meet death head on i will face it i will hold its hand and when i have to walk that way if i get to go to valhalla if that's a thing that exists that's where i'm going and i'm not doing it like a coward i'm gonna accept it and there we go now that doesn't mean i'm to roll over that doesn't mean anything else other than death is here with me at all times and everyone else whether they want to acknowledge it or not and the difference is i'm here to live life i'm here to face death squarely and accept it and then get everything i can out of being here that doesn't mean go crazy hedonistically i gotta get it all in before i no no no that just means i'm gonna let the beauty of the world enshrine me and enshroud me because it's all i got and if i get to get reincarnated cool if i go to some sort of shangri-la fine i don't know what any of that could be and i don't care if it even if it doesn't exist i don't care i don't care if there's a heaven i don't care if there's a hell what i care about is living to my principles being a person that is of honor and respect to those he interacts with and those that he loves and that are part of his life and beyond that i just have to accept where i fail
own it and move forward that's it and what you're saying sounds noble and honorable and it's it's a great thing but it also sounds incredibly rare and i think that's one of the unique things about this time is that people that are accepting reality accepting the the inevitability of their own demise and trying to live life by principles and by ethics and and and a strict code of honor that's right it's rare it's rare because because gaynon nietzsche spengler have all seen and sorted out how we have through the comforts and the malaise of modernity found ways to divorce ourselves from all these things yeah to not have to have it like we live in a culture without honor at any point anymore and or when we have honor it's this exacerbated perversion of it where we come storming out of our [ __ ] seat at the oscars we slap a tiny comedian who we know the [ __ ] has known for who i don't know how long and then we rant and we scream in our seat after the fact yeah instead of meeting the man face to face looking him in his eye having a conversation with him and allowing him even the opportunity to say hey man i really didn't mean anything by it i thought it was a pretty simple harmless joke especially because you know it's still even in the vein of movies and acting yeah and you know what i'm sorry i didn't mean to hurt her feelings and and you know i didn't know this was such a serious thing for you and that that's that and you know what allowing somebody to have that kind of humility or that everybody loves to [ __ ] throw around the word empathy all the time nobody knows what it actually means that's empathy empathy is not letting all of the the digital world infiltrate your person and then you going and throwing out all this emotional attachment and taking it onto yourself so now you can be spun out of control and running around now having to see therapists 24 7 because you you've
now done something that the human body is not meant to do which is try to interact with this simulacra uh as if it is actual reality for you right without all of the context of being a person without social cues without the the the emotional connection you have when you're having a conversation with person look that person on the other side of that instagram account unless you actually know them is not an actual person that is not a person that is a simulacra of that person yeah it's a vague representation of their real thoughts and they might be [ __ ] with you they might be trolling it might be big persona the jungian persona they want to put out to the world so that's not who they are yeah that is a giant problem with social media today it's like that becomes a goal becomes a goal to be the baller on social media and to have this life that's you know at least uh seems unattainable well i mean you go you can find inspirational quote yeah right below some chick that's just showing you her all or her goods yeah or inspirational quote besides some guy trying to ape the version of masculinity that they think is is like the prime example of it yeah something that's really gonna make right so you just have a fake on top of fake on top of more fake and why would it not be fake when the ability to sincerely and accurately know and actuate those things is lost yeah yeah there's just it's such a strange thing to have as a primary influence if you think of our culture like that's one of the primary influences is the image projected by social media it's a giant part i mean we even call them influencers which is kind of crazy and why you know when it came to doing whiskey per se when they approached me i said uh that sounds great i gotta drink it and i gotta meet you guys otherwise right i got nothing we got nothing to talk about and so i went up there i met with them we realized not only did i realize they made they were already making a great product but then with bringing me on board and even then at the time uh david the head
distillery was like you know i wasn't really quite sure about all this and i thought like you were just going to be some [ __ ] guy but then here you are milling the grains and doing this and and watched me with uh this guy from bourbon review do a double blind taste test back to back and i picked the same barrels and i you know the same notes and i could i could find the whiskey that i wanted to be the one that we released he's like okay so how do they do that so they they gave you a bunch of [ __ ] whiskeys and yours and you had to taste which one was it no in this case what it was we had three barrels to choose from and all right which one's gonna be the single barrel so i tasted all three took my notes and then i said you know barrel seven this is the one we're going to go with for batch one and then uh will from bourbon review at the time he goes all right let's do this again now i'm going to mix them up i ain't going to tell you which ones they are taste them and see and then pick them and i picked seven again as my choice knife eight and then nine so i picked them all in the same order that i ranked them before the same time and it was like wow okay well then yeah i guess seven's the [ __ ] one and how do you do that do you have to clean your palate in between you do and there's a couple tricks uh juan is soda water is pretty good at cleaning your palate two i mean being very aware of what you eat before you go and do it and not eating something that's like heavily spiced or something that's really if you're trying to do a tasting you don't want to do something where all these flavors and everything over like don't smoke a cigar and then try and go and do a cigar tasting um a whiskey taste the other yeah yeah or the other thing i i found was you could i saw this on a youtube video you could smell the inside of your elbow and that can kind of help reset it helps reset your olfactory inside of
your elbow yeah because it's you you're smelling you all the time okay i've seen people use uh things with coffee and um coffee beans to smell and you know something to like reset your nose uh but there's other little tricks for for tasting like you put a small amount in the glass shake it get it on your hands rub it smell then then shake it smell taste a little bit because as soon as that alcohol hits your tongue if it's the first drink it's gonna it's that alcohol hitting your tongue is like whoa okay that's interesting let it settle and take another little sip now move it all around your mouth they call it chewing and then swallow and then let that all coat your mouth and then try to get an idea start picking things out and by the way there's no right way to do if you think it tastes like uh so last night uh something we had i was like you know the end finish on this is a bit like the smell of mdf or plywood in a home depot like what i go try yeah i kind of get that okay oh it's toasted coconut moved to this move to that and if that's the note that you come up with that's a note you can come up with right it's yours however your memory of taste and smell is unique to you but yet we've all eaten and tasted most of the same [ __ ] because we all live in the same country with the same cuisines did you take a class on this no read a book on it just became a drunk and talk to other drunks yeah they tell you how to do it right yeah so um doing this whiskey it was really important like everything i do that if it's got my name on it i really gotta stand behind it it's got warmaster right on the [ __ ] bottle that's my nickname this is me so yeah and then when it came to all right we need to amp we need to pick our production up during covet so it's like here i am i got the time i'm here in the distillery so like the video you showed on one of your one of your deals about uh talking about the whiskey no that's i
mean yeah that's the highlight stuff for that reel but that's real [ __ ] i cleaned the floors ran distillation runs smoked grains roasted [ __ ] did mash bills sat and uh um worked uh underneath as an apprentice a head distiller who also was a phd biochemist so we're talking about the aspects of physics and chemistry as well as just stuff that comes with whiskey making you know that that that that hand hand done process and for me this just lined up perfectly and not only did our normal warbringer blend win a gold medal this year at world spirits competition in its pot still category our we have a vodka that we put out where vodkas are basically all the same i don't give a [ __ ] when anybody says to you if i make you a cocktail with absolute or russian standard or belvedere whatever you're probably you ain't gonna taste any difference i watched this video where they took cheap vodkas they ran through a bunch of brita filters and they said it's indistinguishable from expensive vodka by nature vodka is supposed to be tasteless odorless neutral uh distilled at like i think over 180 and then cut down to you know 80 proof or whatever with us we worked with a mixologist who award-winning mythologist josh goldman to the idea was to create a vodka that would be the best well vodka to make the best cocktails and the difference is our phd biochemist and the mineral formulation in the water so our mineral formulation the water creates a different mouth feel different a little bit of different interaction brings out different aspects of what's in the vodka from the three different grains that are in it and that vodka that we put it up to the world spirits competition uh this year and it won best varietal in the nation best varietal in the world whoa silver grid dude that's amazing yeah and it's called war master as well silver grand vodka silver grin silver green interesting like you know getting silver teeth back in the old day we have a very
old-timey western aesthetic because we're in the southwest right and uh yeah our and then we've got our rum coming out which i made along with our head distiller at the time uh he got a bunch of inverted sugar and he's like he made this insanely awesome rum it's it's more like a scotch kind of in a way and it sounds hard strange to say it but if you drank it you'd understood you'd understand it and it was made from this incredibly expensive muscovado sugar well he wanted to do something like well [ __ ] we just can't keep getting muscovado sugar all the time and it's so expensive i'd like to do something what is muscovado it's this type of sugar from the specific from the mauritius islands and it's got its own unique terroir to it and everything so by being in the location that it is it has its own properties and the shit's incredibly delicious on its own i've never wanted to try rum and vodka more than right now but i'll bring you i'll get you some rum i can get you some raw man how many times i've ever had ramen my whole life but uh he so he's like let's i want to make one that's delicious as [ __ ] but on a lower price point and easier for us to get a hold of so he got all this inverted sugar and he goes all right we're going to cut it half and half with molasses and molasses is a pretty typical add mixture to make rum from so we mix the two together we did a half and half and our mash well they don't call it a mash bill with rum they call it uh [ __ ] i forget what they call it with rum it's a different term but it's the same thing you're basically mixing all the stuff together you're adding from yeast to it and from you're adding aspects fermentation you run your fermentation cycles and we did it like our whiskey we were in a first fermentation then we run a secondary fermentation and oak tanks then we move we pump it over to the to the still we do our stripping run which gives you a low line and then after that you run it again then you get
the the final high proof product so um that's called parlor k should be coming out sometime soon and uh you know a whole other new experience and i sat there and worked side by side making rum well dude when those come out let me know i'll let everybody know i'll post it up on social media but for now this stuff is like legitimately some of my favorite whiskey i love the fact that you love this i love it it's mesquite smoked and uh it's probably hard to get right it is pretty hard to get out exactly yeah when we do uh i would say if anybody's interested in this stuff that one of the easiest things to do is sign up for the email list i know that sounds so [ __ ] cool is it warbringer.com warbringerbourbon.com and sign up for that email list because when we put the email blast for the two barrels that we had that were coming out they were immediately gone flew off the [ __ ] shelves i'm sure it's great stuff and listen man i love the fact that you do this and you do this like you do everything else you do i don't know anything all the way do it i don't know any other way to do it one of the reasons why i love you and likewise all right man well uh thanks for being here you're a [ __ ] treasure and i can't stress enough and i've told you even his little text man like someone's like oh you know joe rogan this i'm like tell me tell me more what about joe rogan go ahead uh nothing like you ain't gonna [ __ ] dog this dude when he ain't even here to defend himself but go ahead well thanks for that and uh and you know what you do is is it's an important people gonna dog everything it's part of life i agree it doesn't bother me i just don't read the comments keep moving but uh what's your social media uh josh l barnett on twitter and facebook and then there's a josh barnett official oh and i'm sorry at joshellebarnett on twitter and instagram joshbrunnetofficial on facebook if you're like 65 and you still use that i guess uh or you're like in slovenia um and uh
yeah you go to joshbarnett.com that's got like it's a nice placeholder for all the [ __ ] i'm doing i didn't even plug this i have josh barnes bloodsport eight in dallas my pro wrestling show the hardest hitting pro wrestling show a hardest rating show what is it for wrestling it is fight oriented pro wrestling where these guys are going out there and going head to head and toe-to-toe actually hitting each other putting it on the line in a way that you're not going to find any other pro wrestling show out there where is it it's going to be in dallas at the fair park grounds and it's part of the gcw collective package which is like this huge amount of different shows yeah this is josh barnett's blood sport obviously you don't have a ring no we have and you only win by uh submission knockout or tko and so we go at it with each other submission holds we trade back and forth strikes and when is this uh this is going to be march 31st at uh 3pm see look i'm i'm wrestling minoru suzuki former king of pancrease you know uh and myself you know this is the iq wrestler who is one of the absolute best highlight video makers in the entire [ __ ] business it's intimate too it is and it gets down and dirty there is blood there is violence um it is it is no joke yeah there's chris yeah um all right that's it thanks brother i appreciate you very much likewise bye everybody [Music] you