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[Music] author yeah how does it feel to be an author you actually been an author for a long time though yeah but backcountry bow hunting when did you write that not really those didn't really count those are like bow hunting books so it's like i mean i guess it counts but it's different than this is an actual book book this is a real book yeah it's from a real publisher yeah exactly legit the other ones weren't really like that i've had two other books backcountry trophy her weight bow hunting trophy blacktail was in 1999 and back country bow hunting was in 2006. and then this one is tomorrow which is today if you're listening to this it's coming out today it's endure and uh it's got that face of you from when you're a moose hunting of that yeah that's uh manliest manliest photo with the cheek cut and the blood trickling down your face when you had that when that when the blood was trickling down your face were you like ooh get some pictures no it's pretty manly i was so roy wasn't up there that was that was roy and i's last hunt but he wasn't up there yet and i was going through these alder snow covered pretty foggy and all it was weird um when you're fighting through alders they're slapping you in the face and things like that and i slipped and there's one that was broke and it was kind of sharp and i slipped and it went right on my cheek and i was thinking to myself at that time i'm like i could have taken out an eye yeah that would have been great but it just did that and come on ben that's probably one of the most badass pictures a person's ever taken so i got i got up thank you selfie and i got up there and then i got to the top and it's kind of looking around and you see it's kind of foggy back there and then i didn't know my i actually had blood and then yeah did you like look at it in a selfie to find the blood i had my phone and i looked i was like oh okay cool stamp shot of that and press all the fellas back home yeah well it turned in it's meaningful because it was an amazing hunt it was a
hard hunt and it was roy and i had you know it was a hunt we always it's what we love to do hard cold miserable grizzly bears long pack killed a good bull um just and this is the for people that don't know um roy was your good friend who got you into bow hunting who died shortly afterwards he fell while uh sheep hunting and fell to his death which is a lot more common than i thought it was i was talking to someone about people falling while she punting and you say like it happens every year yeah it's uh what i've noticed because there's a lot of guys i look up to because of their mountain abilities and or hunting or just they're just i don't know just people i look up to if you spend a lot of times in the mount a lot of time in the mountains there's risk and you know eventually it only takes one and those kind of mountains like the sheep hunting mountains are very steep it's rugged terrain and it's snowy and cliff sometimes sometimes where roy fell it was dry at that time and it was just it was just one because there's a dry side of the mountain and then on the north side or the other side it's cooler so there's more snow and the ice as you mentioned like where i killed my sheep on that same hunt in 2008 that was on the the cold side where he fell on the on the warm side it was dry but it's so steep and it just takes one mistake and you know he had been up there for years remy warren was on the podcast a couple weeks ago and he was telling me a story about sheep hunting that uh he was guiding actually and uh he was guiding this woman and she killed a sheep but it fell on this like ledge on a cliff and so he figured you know i'll just climb over there and knock it loose and then he climbed over there and knocked it loose and then basically had a panic attack and he realized like how steep it was and how very dangerous it was and then when he
got back the woman was screaming and cussing and hitting him you know don't you ever do that again like because right she was scared she was terrified because he almost died i mean he was like it's the most scared i've ever been while like climbing around on something what the hardest thing for me is climbing up is way different than trying to come down yes and you can you can feel and gravity is kind of keeping you against the rocks a little bit just it's just different you're climbing up you're looking for hand holds and foot holes but coming down yeah and that's what he said that was the thing is him trying to make his way back he could made his way over there but making his way back he's like oh my god i can't go back the way i came he goes he had to go all the way up all right and then crest over the top and that was the only way thank god that was possible thank god it was possible because he didn't know it was possible yeah i mean if he would have had to try to come down something that sketchy what the yeah jesus christ and you know follow us yeah following their rocks it doesn't take a long fall to be oh i was reading about this guy who died in front of his family recently on a vacation he was cliff diving and he decided to try to just make this crazy jump and he didn't jump far enough and he hit the rocks and his family was filming him oh my god yeah a cliff diving yeah those people are out of their minds and you know it's like people do things for these for these like quick little weird thrills and i did i just i don't understand it for the life of me maybe it's because i know so many people that have gotten hurt doing dangerous things that i think are maybe more worthwhile yeah like hunting or like you know there's a reward yeah but like when we talk to andy stumpf andy that goddamn psychopath he's so crazy he's always like sending me like videos of him skydiving don't you want to try this i'm like no no that's even yeah but he's in the squirrel suit also it's the scariest yeah yeah oh just amazing but yeah
people need that that thrill makes them feel alive i think i don't get it i'm good yeah i like i like if there's if i'm doing something if it's an activity if i'm hunting grizzly or hunting buffalo or something like that right i'll take the risk yeah um but yeah just just risk for risk it's a little different there's a different kind of a thrill being in the wild it's um it's weird it's hard to describe when people like say to me like why do you like hunting i want you know not just for the meat not just because it's difficult to do but there's a thing about being in the real wild like when when we're in the mountains in utah and you know there's big cats out there i told you i saw that giant cat last night when you know they're out there too there's like an extra crackle in the air it's like everywhere you walk it's like you're looking around and now that i know now that i saw one right like within 30 yards now i'm i've just got like a totally different feeling about it right so i always knew they were there yeah but then when you see one and that's not even the scariest the scariest is grizzlies yeah seeing a grizzly bear i mean i saw one with jen up in alberta yeah but it wasn't even a big one it was like six feet away but just the way he looked at me i was like oh my god that's so yeah they look at you so different yeah that that stare means something i mean there's yeah you know what they're capable of because to them that's all they do they're measuring risk reward and it's they're calculating yeah um sometimes but but that i mean that unpredictability that's what when you're in the in grizzly country like in alaska especially at night you know that's where you feel very vulnerable in your tent and knowing that those things are out there they could be close that's tough this is a thin piece of cloth between you and a 900 pound enormous animal yeah that's been killing things his whole life
that that was the biggest thing one of my first i think it was the very first trip i took to alaska with roy he had moved up there and we went to kodiak island just got dropped off and uh we split up because we like to you know call the shots do our own thing just looking for adventure mostly neither one of us one at that time we were pretty competitive so if we saw an animal we both wanted to kill it right so to eliminate that problem we just split up good luck and then go make make our own luck um but at night because it would get dark you're hunting the rut which is late in the year say late october early november it gets dark at i think four in the afternoon and then it doesn't get light till i mean i think it's dark 17 hours oh wow and you're just in this little tent and there's brown bear on kodiak island and uh you're just hunkered down and what are you doing hoping yeah it's a long night and those you know i saw one the first time there and it looked like a volkswagen um bug like butt on legs it's just like that's how big it looked i was just like oh my god i'd only see black bear a bug or a bus uh like a bug a bug yeah a car like a car yeah yeah or beetle bug whatever those are called yeah but uh it looked like that big but a bear so big as a car and maybe it was yeah it's there's it's kind of counterintuitive right you would say like why would anybody want to be around that but they make the experience more interesting because you are around them yeah because as part of the adventure yeah well it's also it's part of the reality of where you are like you are in an ecosystem and there's apex predators and then there's prey animals and then you every now and then enter into this world and you're kind of somewhere in between yeah and you're running around and if you're successful you get an animal and then you're at home eating that animal you know weeks months later thinking about that experience and it
brings that experience back now back to you in a weird way it's very hard to describe to people but when i eat a piece of elk i think of where i was when when i shot that animal and it's yeah for me it's it's not the meat kind of looks like meat but for me where it's really driven home the reality is when i open the freezer and i see how the packages are labeled and it'll say colorado bat elk backstrap right 20 you know 20. or and i go right back that those packages of meat are capture this memory of this experience like nothing else to me because it's like saying what did the animal is what year it was and then i remember that episode or that that experience and uh a freezer with with meat in it just does it and it's not regular meat either it's like you know i've been talking to jocko about this it's like superfood there's something about it like for someone who's eaten steak their whole life and then you eat elk you're like hey what's going on here yeah why do i feel so good it's like there's something in that meat there's like a quality to wild game you know and i think people want to talk about like you know whether or not ranchers use hormones or antibiotics there's a lot of that talk i'm not sure if they do or don't i don't think i feel that in the meat but what i feel is the difference between an animal that is running away from giant cats and wolves and bears and it's just alive yeah the meat is alive there's some there's some power to it you know it's a more potent living creature and when you eat that more potent living creature it's more nutritious that's proven by science i mean when they they analyze the difference between a 12 ounce piece of elk versus 12 ounce piece of beef it's like double the protein right and who knows what the amino acid count is and vitamin count but i'm sure it's through the roof and and the stuff they may be putting in or feeding the animal the beef right i don't know what they're feeding about i mean it's hard to say because some people are just pure grass-fed regenerative farming and that's really good for you and you could it tastes different than when you buy grain fed cattle which still pretty good
but it's just the difference in the way you feel after you eat it i noticed this so i i started hunting on in western oregon which is more uh it's populated little towns and cities and things like that in eastern oregon it's bigger bigger more wild country so i was used to hunting elk just in the small logging community out outside of there on warehouse or ground and those those elk see people there's not you know there's some lions but not like in the wilderness there's some bears but not like like back there now and now in the wilderness there's there's wolves actually but i noticed a difference in the animals how they behaved and how much faster they were in the wilderness so i would say it was such as more of a challenge because those elk back there could actually move by the time the arrow got there and an elk normally will stand there and they're because they're 800 pounds you know they're not like quick like an axis deer or something like that their reactions just aren't like that they're not wired that same way but in the wilderness i was like these elk are high octane this is like a whole nother level of hunting i got to be better because these elk are on another level of reaction time and and being more it felt more wild so then you know you have being a human is so crazy you think all these different paths and putting all the pieces of puzzle together so i'm like well if they're more wild back here and i i'm eating them maybe i'm going to be stronger faster and so i had in my head right then that this meat that i'm eating and the animal is going to impact me and how i react so that's why people don't get it and maybe there is no difference but when i eat bear i feel ultra beast like you know i'm like i bear meat you know there's something to that i i feel it whether it's true or not whatever you can say whatever you want but i just know how i feel so you can't tell me how it feels wrong well there's for sure something in there's it's more nutritious to eat wild game it's 100 more nutritious it's just a fact but it's like why is it more
nutritious like why why are they more potent and it only makes sense that an animal that has to get away from other predators an animal that has to live that hard scrabble life in the wilderness if it's harder to get and more rewarding when you get it and look at all the people that we know that eat wild game they're pretty damn healthy yeah yeah like you and ranella and like all the guys that we know remy that eat wild game all the time they look pretty damn good yeah healthy folks definitely there's something to that and there's something again from me a guy who you know for 40 plus years of my life didn't eat wild game and then i eat it all the time right it's different it's different i i get beat up for this too because i guess you know vegans can say whatever they want about hunters and it's good to go i put up i remember i put up one thing about a vegan i can't remember what it was it's like some they're dying it's like they went from this healthy person to looking pretty sickly well there's a lot of those and it's kind of a meme joke thing and i'm just like oh no actually god and this is i'm probably stepping in i know you can't get canceled but maybe i can but i put up uh something about canelo because i guess yeah i guess he went yeah he went vegan for his last fight and all i put up was that worked well yeah i reposted it i posted to my i got so much hate for that yeah you know and it's like we get crucified for being you know killers and meat eaters and all this i put up one joke meme about canelo who looked awful compared to how he and with the one thing that changed was his diet and then also i'm the bad guy but anyway well there's two things going on there one beval is a real legit light heavyweight and that's only the second light heavyweight that canelo had fought the first one was kovalev but kovalev was at the end of his career kovalev had lost a bunch of times he'd been stopped and he wasn't the same guy as he was like when he fought andre ward the first time well kovalev when he was the man when he was a light heavyweight champion was a real savage and he was winning that fight with canelo too by the way there's a reason why there's
weight glasses and canelo fought floyd mayweather i believe he fought him at 152 pounds which is the lightest he's ever fought generally he would fight at 152 54 and then he moved up fought middleweight and that's where he fought gernard i think he fought triple g um gernady golovkin i think he fought him at 60 or it might have been super middleweight find out if that's so then there's a jump man and the j i think it was 160 they go up golovkin was the middleweight champion and so that 15 pound jump is giant but you so you want to go up in weight and quit eating meat let's see what it says here 60. yeah okay so that was the they fought three twice they were supposed to fight a third time but it looks like he's gonna have a rematch with beval instead but if you're gonna go up yeah you don't well it's like he he watched that documentary on netflix game changers and there's a lot of you know look if you want to eat only vegan and you want to do it for ethical reasons and you don't want to be involved in animal death i get it you don't want to be involved in factory farming i get it but it's not true when you say that it gives you a significant athletic performance boost it doesn't there's no real proof of that and they with some reality when they made that they did there's no real elite professional athletes at the highest level that i'm aware of that are vegan i don't i don't think it has the same bioavailability as animal protein and this is coming from nutritionists that are unbiased and objective not coming from guys like you know the carnivore md paul saladino guys who like are proselytizing to eat carnivorously this is just from like regular scientists they'll tell you like you can get as much protein from x amount of broccoli right as you can from a steak the problem is it's not the same kind of protein it's not as bioavailable and if okay so survive surviving is one thing right thriving performing right or thriving is a whole other thing yeah you can eat a lot of and just get by and exactly and not die that's the real
question but are you trying to be optimum performance at whatever you do i was a vegetarian for six months i would tell you that when i was fighting because i was having a really hard time making weight and uh i wound i was i was you know i was uh competing when i was 17 i won the state championship at 140 pounds and the next weight class was 154 and i was struggling at one i couldn't really get i wasn't 140. i was like 153 154 and i would dehydrate the out of myself make the way and then i have to fight on the same day it was not good and i was fighting i didn't i won but i felt like i was like i could have those guys up if i was yeah like if i felt my best strong right and then i did it for a while to try to lean out but i was just tired all the time and i know i probably wasn't doing it right and i've never done it right where you know you eat pea protein and you make sure you balance your macros and have someone but when i went when i started eating meat that's when i became at my best when i went on my my best performance run as a competitor it was all eating meat and that's mostly what i ate was meat right and i felt a lot different and that was the only example that i've ever had because it's a stretch only stretch of my life when i was competing a very intense thing and i did eat i ate nothing but vegetables for like a good six months months that's a long time it was a long time i tried as long because i had my instructor was very tall and we were from the same weight class you know am i 140 it might have been 147 whatever it was i forget what the weight class was but it was in the 40s and then he was like two 6-3 three and he was in the same way class as me when he was younger was competing so i was like brainwashed to think like i'm too short for this weight class so i gotta start myself yeah but it's just body types right i was built way different than him i'm wider and thicker it's just it's just different yeah and i got way better as soon as i stopped doing that and i start but also it's like i'm also not starving myself so there's that too you know oftentimes in in the ufc you'll see guys when they go
up and wait they become their best version like charlo charles oliveira is a great example of that like he fought for 145 in a while for a while rather and he fought very well but he never really hit the strides that he hit when he went up to uh 155. he's on a roll now oh my god he's so good he's on a roll he's so good and he's he you know people take different approaches they talk smack give fights you know there's a whole different ways to do it he's so respectful so so nice yes and it's like i mean whatever i guess it's different for everybody but man he's got something that's working right now and he's hard not to root for yeah well that's who he is he's a very very nice guy and uh he got screwed in his last fight they there was uh some shenanigans with the scale uh some people had messed with the scale here's a problem with these digital scales um foreign fighters uh they use kilograms and in america obviously we use pounds right and so the foreign fighters were like these scales are calibrated and then the foreign fighters would reset the scale so they could switch it back to kilograms so it up the whole calibration oh i see and so he would weigh in or he weighed in like the night before the weigh-ins he was like oh i'm good to go and then in the morning he goes and shows up for the weight cut and it's a pound plus off and that is directly related to this calibration thing calibration issue yeah so since now they have a the ufc has a new policy because of this where they have a guard who watches over the scale 24 hours a day like they have shifts where no one can with the scale like if you're going to get on that scale to try yourself they're going to watch you like a hawk and you don't press any buttons you don't just get on with your weight get off that's it so these guys were monkeying around with the scale and that's surprising that even at the level that ufc's at right now it's that was still still hadn't got that figured out it's phoenix yeah that's what it is and it's not not not on knock on phoenix i love phoenix it's just that the people that are there don't do high-level world championship mma fights on a regular basis they do a few you know we've had a
good good time there they've had some good events there but uh they just made a mistake they'll let these guys do it and there should have been someone watching the scale and if the scale was off and that's a fact and that's why oliveira look it's not the best excuse because justin gaichi made weight yeah everybody else made weight except uh one of the the women that fought earlier in the night she didn't make weight but that's it but how so i actually i wanted to get you in that fight i'm a justin gayche fan i love all his team i like his attitude i like he's a just a a so tough um but how impressive is it that oliveira can have that all that drama would you know how you got to be in the right mindset to fight i imagine and he's got to overcome all this and still then he gets rocked yeah gets rocked twice by gaichi who's got you know hands of stone [Music] and still comes back and wins well here's what's interesting about charles oliveira when charles oliveira fights even though he's the champion he fights like like a berserker he fights he puts himself in danger like he doesn't fight safe he doesn't fight to try to out point you he doesn't fight tactically like where he's trying to get you know the the least amount of damage and you know and drag you into deep water and then and then strategically try to take you out the fourth and fifth round no from the moment the first bell rings he's coming at you engaging guns blazing and gaichi was coming at him too but it's like gaichi was overwhelmed by oliveira's pace and his aggression it's wide even when gaiji cracked him oliveira is so different than anybody else when he gets hit he just lays on his back yeah and he's like come get some of this and nobody wants that guard it's a break he's got the most submissions in the history of the sport he recovers yeah so he's cause nobody wants to go to the ground right normally guys would just come bombing in yeah just try to land anything extra it's like when you wound an animal any other arrow in it is right you're just trying to glance something off
catches something most time guys will hurt a guy come in and just go crazy but not with him no you don't want that ground game his ground game is so elite it's so good i mean i wonder how he would do in a like world-class brazilian jiu jitsu tournament because i think he would do very well because i watch the way he finishes submissions the way he syncs things up i mean it is top of the food chain stuff i've seen a lot of jiu jitsu in my days i've rarely seen anyone compete in mma that closes the show like oliveira when the fight goes to the ground his is razor sharp razor sharp smooth he hit hurt justin and was so just immediately on his back and like i think went for a couple different things but ended up getting under his chin and getting him but the only person i've i haven't watched all those fights like you but i saw chandler get out of that somehow you remember that yep yep he had uh he was on chandler's back yep had to choke in chandler somehow spun chandler is an animal look he's an animal that guy that he's another guy that's a do or die that's a killer be killed guy right there oh and tony tony had him hurt a little bit well tony cracked him a couple of times the thing about chandler is like you got to take him out and he's not going to quit his zero quitting him you got to take him out and his style his also got that killer be killed style he puts himself in danger too yeah and he loses sometimes sometimes you know and you know he lost to oliveira when they fought but he had oliveira and deep in that first round he came that close to being the champion of the world that close how and that's another thing i'm so impressed with that's why i mean i mentioned chandler in the book because we've trained together but i'm so impressed by that mental ability to so he was you said this close to a world championship didn't get it how devastating would that be and his attitude is like well back to work see at the top yeah he's got a great attitude how it's amazing it's well that's also why he's so loved yeah so he he had great defense
which is very impressive very impressive and scrambled out but he's also like this ball of muscle he's so physically strong when i was standing next to him when i was uh interviewing him after the fight i'm like how the do you weigh 155 pounds he looks like he's 190. he's a he is 190. i guarantee you right now if you may get on the scale he's 190. so he weighs 155 for about 20 minutes yeah at the most you know and then he rehydrates and i bet he's 170 plus when he fights and then once he like fully fuels himself like over the next couple of days after the fight he was 186 the other day okay right after the fight yeah right after the fight with ferguson they they did uh he was talking about it and he said he was 186 pounds and he's killing the mic too after the fight oh my god it's like the that was the one he was when i interviewed him after that fight it was the best ever post-fight speech i've ever heard in my life he's screaming yeah connor mcgregor yeah i know i mean he is so good at that he's amazing at it he's amazing yeah so how can you so you're already planning on winning obviously but then you already have this whole thing you've got your bell rung a little bit just to be so dialed in live most people can't talk live without screwing up right but screaming after a fight and just kill it well he does that the way he does everything the way he trains the way he fights so prepared he's just an animal yeah it's also like full tilt yeah he's very smart very smart very well prepared but prepared like scientifically in terms of his strength and conditioning technically you know he's a henry hoof guy so he's like his his like yeah look at the size of him how's that 155 pounds look at go right there i'm 200 pounds look at that who's the size of him the size of him look how big he is i know how big is he he looks as big as you exactly how the is that guy 155 pounds it makes zero sense he's so big yeah he's a tank yeah i love and then and then also those these guys wear their heart on the sleeve they put so much into it he gets up on that cage and then he's looking for a son and he's
getting you know kind of emotional started crying when he said his son how i mean well that was the first time a son had seen him fight live and his son is so young he's got earphones on to keep his ears blowing out because that arena was insanity god oh yeah how cute i know i got so much respect for chandler he's amazing he's an and by the way he's he's not a spring chicken either no he's 36 years old and in natural you know athletics because being natural meaning like you know not taking any steroids or nothing yeah 36 is at the high end of peak performance generally speaking for boxers that's an old age right that's a oh there's not a whole lot of guys like bernard hopkins who compete well into their 40s and are at an elite level but bernard hopkins is a completely different kind of fighter yeah bernard hopkins was very safety first very defensively sound very technical yeah like bernard didn't take any chances until he knew that he had you and then he started turning it up super super disciplined chandler is a berserker he's a wild man you know and that knockout of tony ferguson was the most intense head kick knockout i think i've ever seen because it's rare that a guy is at a level of tony ferguson that just gets flat-lined with a head kick like that yeah and to have it be a front kick like dc said it best he said it wasn't even like a regular front kick it was like he kicked a soccer ball oh god he just swung his leg up and just yeah i heard he decapitated him i heard him say that tony comes in wide you know and so they felt like there was that channel up the middle right but he said he didn't even plan no i know but i i guess just thinking of strikes in your head up the middle strikes yeah and that's one of them landed my god i thought i was actually worried for tony he was down for a while he was out unconscious for several minutes yeah it was scary it was scary it was scary to be there because you know knock on wood there's never been a real death or serious a real death has ever been a death or serious injury inside the octagon you know like i mean it's been break broken bones but yeah that's uh that was a scary one it was i want to talk about a great
attitude tony ferguson same thing he's like uh onward and upward you know the same same goal back on the grind back training i can't imagine that job you pretty much have to i think have that attitude and just saying but you'd have to be questioning everything yeah and that yeah it's gonna be hard it's you know you're questioning it and then you have to overrule those questions right you that's the champion's curse because the thing that gets you to the dance is this unflappable belief in yourself but that's also the thing that makes you stick around too long yeah like when sugar ray leonard fought terry norris it was like jesus christ i don't want to watch this it's like when you realize a guy is not supposed to be in there against a guy who is at the peak of his abilities yeah and that's when things get spooky because it's like that's when you see like your heroes get tuned up and smashed that's where the ufc is pretty good they they're they don't really put like the guys who've been in it forever against the new elite guys right right sometimes they do i mean it's just i've heard talk of diaz and and chamza yeah that's scary well comezone wants to fight everybody yeah get everyone but i'll tell you what man that fight with gilbert burns got a lot of people brave a lot of people are more brave after that fight because he looked human in that fight he did and gilbert birds is a animal yeah he's an animal another guy animal super super nice guy and he's another guy who also uh hit his peak going up in weight yeah when he fought at 155 right gilbert is a big guy when you stand next to him you're like how the could he ever have made 55. he's not anywhere as big as uh comes not though no hamsa is tall over how he looked giant back there yeah he's a big guy he's be he's it's a very tough weight cut for him and when he makes it he's so long yeah and he's so dangerous with his strikes and with his wrestling with with everything with everything but the thing that we learned about hamza in that fight is uh he's not just a hammer he can he can take it to some damage yeah like when when the nail you know gets hit you know sometimes
a fighter is really good until someone puts pressure on them right and then they fold up shop they don't have a lot of resilience they just are very good aggressively it's called being a front runner and that was a thing of in boxing about certain fighters you know you would always say well he's good until he's pressed and then you see his confidence fall apart and then that we shot we saw none of that with hamza because gilbert spun his head around yeah and it would have ko'd 99 of the people on the planet but hamzad immediately dove on after like wobble dropped and he grabs a hold of a leg and then takes gilbert down i mean that's how good he is yeah he fought just with all of his soul it was amazing that is a good point because you've seen people i'm not gonna say they're front runners because they're legends but um before tyson lost a whole to uh douglas it's like you thought he's never going to lose right and conor he was on that role whereas like these guys are never going to lose and then they do and then like something changes you know it's something with the aura the maybe the belief in themselves a little bit i don't know what but he he got challenged and he had that same type of not even a man like more of a machine yeah and got hurt and still came back and i mean you're right it means a lot it means a lot you know i mean he's got to have to recover from that fight because that was a real brutal war both him and gilbert they need a lot of time off after that fight yeah but we know a lot about hamza we know that first of all we know that that style that seek and destroy throw yourself into the fire style it needs a little tweaking yeah if you're going to fight usman it needs a little tweak yeah you're not going to just steamroll everybody because he's he went through four fights in the ufc and was only hit twice i mean of course the guy's confident yeah incredible yeah incredible yeah he said his right hand breaks mountains i'm not arguing with him no that's pretty confident i was like damn i love that line well when he fought uh draw uh gerald
murchart and uh knocked him out with one punch i was like oh my god yeah 17 seconds it was at 185 too yeah yeah it wasn't even at 170. he goes up to 185 and he was scheduled to fight luke rockhold at one point at 185 was a former champion and then his team is like listen this is all fun and games but stick to 170 yeah and let's get a championship title and you can you can do this you could actually be a world champion at 170 let's let's work our way and then they had a hard time getting people to fight him but of course gilbert burns will fight the devil yeah yeah you called gilbert up you know you've got six weeks to prepare for the devil right yeah he's like yeah where's the devil let's go you know i love you're a warrior i love those guys yeah fight the fight game that was an amazing fight and there was an amazing fight for both guys and a lot of people made a good argument that gilbert could have won that fight yeah it's it was a very very very close fight and i don't think gilbert lost any stock in taking that fight and losing that fight by decision like i said quite a few people thought he won that fight yeah i mean it yeah i was there with you obviously saw it it seemed i mean very competitive very close super close but it seemed like he took a little more damage and i think there's more control yeah i'd have to watch it again and like just score it like with a piece of paper write down what i think you know like shots landed and stuff like that to really get a it's hard when you're watching the fight yeah because one of the things that happens is when you expect a guy to win and the other guy starts doing well sometimes you exaggerate it in your head that he's doing better than you thought like that is an issue with the underdog performances you know and gilbert was which is crazy that gilbert was an underdog in that considering he beat the brakes off tyron woodley yeah and i was beating a lot of like top flight drops yeah yeah i mean he did yeah it was minutes yeah ultimately lost but it shows you how good is the uzman is one of the greatest of all time when you see that fight with
hamzad and gilbert and you you think about the fight that gilbert had with usman you realize how good usman is he's one of the greats of all time in any weight class yeah in any weight class and he's uh you know he's there and if hamza gets to him if that becomes a fight my god well i saw that also talking pourier colby yeah but i don't think poirier wants to fight him i think poirier said that guy i don't want to give him any money he's like he's an but he just said he goes let's do it oh he did yeah maybe he couldn't get any other fights you know like what else is available for poirier right now and i'm wondering if he's saying that nobody knowing kobe won't fight because of this whole mosfet all thing you know what i mean well you're friends with colby and um what is this here july 30th i accept dustin poirier targets 170 pound showdown with colby covington holy yeah wow you know wow he changed his mind yeah so or does he know that because colby's going through all this other stuff with muslim you know getting sunker punched is he knowing it's not going to happen so he's just getting his name out there so did colby i don't think he's responding first well back in the yeah i mean but right back in the months ago so there's a whole string of oh someone whoever this guy is like i care what a great name like i care got colby to bite or got dust in the bite and he said fight colby and uh he said july 30th i accept yeah okay and i haven't seen colby respond but i would love to see that fight yeah but what i was getting to was you're friends with colby and so you know what happened when um jorge masvidal sucker punched colby he was hurt yeah yeah i mean he wasn't prepared for the punch you know so obviously it was uh different than in a fight yeah but yeah i don't i it seems like i haven't talked to him recently but he had a couple of videos like oh leading up to i think 274. he had some old he's back to his old form i don't know if it's 274 but uh who was he talking about oh oliveira and justin and so he had somewhere he's back
talking saying you know here's his bookie line whatever doing all this and he seemed back on his game you know mentally same as normal so hopefully he's okay the thing about getting hit in the head is like you can do that for like a a video you could do but are you compromised like is are you are you a changed person right because a knockout can change a person yeah and i don't know if he got knocked out by that point he did but he got his tooth broken yeah and you know i mean he got caught off guard caught off guard and completely not knowing he was gonna get hit cracked in the face right by a guy who is a world class fighter yeah that's not good and then he's going to press charges on mos vidal yeah which is crazy i mean i wonder what happens there because that's clearly assault yeah i mean it's and it's not just assault it's assault in a in a situation where you just had a five-round fight with a guy and lost handily and then you decided i'm gonna get my licks in when no one's so a lot of people are angry that calling it cowardly yeah it to me it'd be different i guess it's a thing sucker punching is like you got to be ready at all times when you're eating dinner you're ready when you're at a steakhouse to me it's different doing that as opposed to you know seeing them come out and be like hey i'm right here right you said oh he said on site let's do it right that's different because it wasn't on site it's like if you can't even if you're coming from behind them how's it on site right i have a hard i have a hard time respecting that you know if they want to fight in the streets you know because they don't they hate each other whatever but hey here we go let's do it yeah it's um one of those things where moz vidal's like he crossed the line he talked about his family and he's like i don't give a he goes i'm gonna crack you yeah yeah and you know there's a lot of people that feel that way and that's why dustin poirier for the longest time was saying that he wouldn't fight colby
it's how colby gets under your skin he crosses those lines yeah and that is part of the strategy of him getting you mentally worked up yeah and completely overwhelmed it works it works on everybody but it was mine yeah well and they say they say you cross a line and and he's saying i don't see a line there is no line yeah he's like the line is uh this is my career i have one run at this and i'm gonna make as much money and as much noise as i can and look the reality is um he's the second best welterweight on planet earth in my mind yeah i mean until hamza gets to that level right right now he's the second best welterweight on planet earth yeah what he did with you know with usman in two fights is at least the second fight made it to the final buzzer got rocked like put on a hell of a fight very good fight yeah it's a great fight very very good fight in the second fight it's like he's just in the era of one of the greatest of all time and it doesn't mean that he can't one day reach that level no he's still young it's the most competitive fights i've ever seen oozman in 100 percent yeah 100 percent because he used toronto just i mean look what he did to mos vidal yeah he sent him to the dark lands yeah just sent him to the shadow realm and then did you see oozman at the last fight with his red leather jacket no shirt baller [Laughter] well he's like you know that if you want to make something make some noise and get some attention that's how you do it well he's trying to get that canelo fight i know he wants that big big money and maybe canal will fight him just keep him on sale keep him on salads he's got a pretty good shot keep him on salads yeah i wonder if he'll change his diet because they were actually talking about that in the broadcast they were saying he seems a little lackadaisical a little lackluster i wonder if it's his diet i don't know yeah after the fight talking about the diet it's like i don't know you know i know it's like i never want to say that it won't work for
you because there's people out there that i know that are vegan that thrive and they don't have any problem with it but i don't know how they would do if they eat meat i mean maybe they're just unbelievably savage and if they meet they'd be even better but if you give them vegetables they'll still kill it his quote on it says that sometimes he eats meat still oh i'm not very complicated when it comes to food i adapt a lot i adapt quickly canelo told espn it's it's not something i did all of a sudden that i left what i ate before from one day to the next all week i try to eat what is vegan and if one day i eat something else meat chicken whatever i eat it there's no problem yeah i don't know what that means really but that's what he said in response but that's not if you are um an athlete that is eating for performance like say if you went to uh that's the opposite of me yeah if you went to a mike dolce or uh you know george lockhart or one of those guys that is not how they would tell you to eat they would prescribe a specific amount of protein specific amount of carbohydrates based on your weight right i mean they're not saying like sometimes i eat this and sometimes eat that i think what's going on is canelo is so good yeah that he can get away with eating squash and tomatoes yeah and still you up because he's so goddamn good he's been amazing he's amazing and just the fact that he went all the way up to 75 fought beval went to the decision you know lost the lost the decision but was never in like real trouble yeah was never like rocked or dropped or anything like that and he's fighting two weight classes above his natural weight class it's kind of crazy yeah it is he's he's an amazing fighter he's amazing he's one of the greatest of all time which is why he's willing to take that chance and go up to 175 pounds but in my mind if you are a athlete especially if you're in a combat sport you need to have everything dialed up dialed in your recovery you need to be doing a sauna every day ice bath you need to be eating all the right food drinking all the white water they should hydration test you every day you got hundreds of millions of dollars on the line that's canelo alvarez i know he
shouldn't be eating plants the are you doing bro you eating celery we gotta get a steak in you yeah well that's what i was saying is like his approach where he'll eat you know greens and salads most time and every once in a while have meat that i do all meat and every once in a while have a salad you know when mike tyson was in here he was thanking me for turning him onto wild games really yes he's been getting wild game yes from i i offered to get him some elk but i never got it to him we never connected after that but he went to uh somewhere and got a lot of bison he got uh he was eating a lot of bison yeah before uh he started training again he's like oh my god it made such a difference he thanked me during the last podcast returning on because i'm always talking about wild game and he's like it made a big difference that's what i eat now it's wild game so if mike tyson says that i'd listen yeah mike tyson at 55 years of age who looks that damn good yeah which is incredible i still i'm addicted to still his old footage of his fights and his and the one where he's in the ring and he's talking about you know what i'm alexander the great yes yeah yeah children i know that i mean it's unbelievable yeah and then i think he ends it with praise being all off like wait what dude in his prime he was like no one else he changed he changed boxing you changed boxing i still watch i mean it's still i watch them just like i've never seen them seen them without i watched the uh the botha fight the other day i watched it the other day he knocked both out and i watched that fight and i and then after i after i watched that fight i watched the uh who's the polish dude that he up galat uh gulada andrew gulotta yeah i watched that fight too yeah man he was good yeah so much he was so good yeah it wasn't just power man it was bobbing and weaving and inside on you his head would go so low sometimes when he'd when he'd go down yeah i mean he's like at knee level yeah trying to hit him and then he leaps up and smashes you with a left hook god during his time man when we were kids yeah these you and i are the same age and when we when tyson was at that run when he was the heavyweight
champion in the beginning it was when he knocked out ferguson and he won the title youngest heavyweight champion ever 20 years of age and then just smashed everybody yeah every fight was like you weren't doing anything when mike tyson fought you were gonna watch mike tyson fights yeah it was a weird where you wanted to see him fight but then you also wanted it like some devastating knockout in the first round yeah it's like so how can you have both how can you see a great fight where you get to see him for maybe a half hour if it's 10 rounds right or something just oh yeah is is really hard to pick which one well people would not buy the pay-per-view because they didn't want to spend money on a 30-second fire yeah i'm looking to buy that paper dude i'm like listen man it's going to be wild you're going to they're going to play it back 30 times in a row you're going to be jumping around yeah yeah like the sphinx fight when you fought michael spinks yeah god he was good he was it was just but athletes of that level when you're at that level i mean it's like i feel like with mike tyson obviously he was a heavyweight and the diet is not it's not a concern in terms of like making a specific weight he just wanted to be at his prime but mike tyson always ate meat he always ate meat he just but he didn't eat like wild game until you know after his career was over then he started coming back again could you imagine if in his prime wild game oh my god that would be a probably a big talking point in the in the broadcast like what he ate just smashing people eating only like elk meat oh my god that would have been awesome he probably would have been better which is so scary yeah he was like a perfect storm yeah of a perfect storm of um like a young kid who was raised in a horrible environment had no love it was just terrible terrible until he was adopted by a a real wizard and customer i mean customato was a genius when it came to boxing and also a hypnotist so he takes this guy who's who the is 13 years old and weighs 190 pounds
yeah mike's freak yeah just a few freak genetics and then also freak mind you know people don't appreciate how intelligent tyson is i mean he doesn't have a phd he didn't spend a lot of time in college but that doesn't mean his mind doesn't function at a very high level in order to be able to navigate the waters of being in a fight with larry holmes and be able to figure out how to get to larry holmes's chat and boom that is complicated it's way more complicated than people think it is right and it's also all the other stuff that he was into like he's into like history and conquerors like he could talk to you forever about like genghis khan and all these warriors that lived before he studied all that stuff he's not he's not a simple man he's very complex don't you think that also went into his mindset like studying that yeah those people and knowing what it meant to be like a great warrior fighter yeah i mean i think he took that with him in the ring in some for sure and also it was a singular focus that's all he did yeah all he did when he lived in the catskills which is like there's nothing to do up there so all he would do is like train watch fight tapes when he wasn't training eat and sleep yeah and when you're when you're tunnel visioned on something yeah and you got that that talent and then that mindset yeah it's just so rare it's so rare and it's there's not a lot of people that can keep it up i mean he kept it up for years and eventually he lost the desire and the hunger and then he wound up retiring after like the kevin mcbride fight but it's just i i think you got to look at him for where when he was at his peak yeah people always look at guys like what happened when they kind of fell off and in the start like i talked with bj penn about that when he was on the podcast and i'm like you can't look at the bad performances they had bad performances later in the career like bj did but if you look at bj penn when he was in his prime my god oh my god he was incredible yeah when he was in his prime bj penn was one of the greatest of all time well you the
prodigy yeah how do you get that name that's how he got it yeah i mean because you're you're incredible he was i was there i was there for the early bj days he was he was something nuts yeah and he just had this psychotic focus you know and he would come out to that song crazy mm-hmm that may be crazy you know that's it yeah come out and just like this look on his face and he'd be pacing in the corner and it was hell the moment that bell rang like he was bringing hell yeah he was amazing but again it's like how long can you do that right most people can't do that for very long your body breaks your mi your will power breaks like just to maintain the kind of camp that you have to have to be in the kind of condition that you have to be to be able to fight five rounds so that's why like when it comes to a guy like kamaru usman when he says he wants to fight canelo alvarez and i'm like give him the give him the money give him the fight because it's like if canelo wants to do it and he wants to do it and people like well that won't be competitive like let's see yeah but my my point is like first of all who knows because he's that good at mma like who knows what he could put together if he only boxed who knows because it's a special kind of athlete that can be that good at anything as good as he is at mma i'm not saying he's at canelo's level boxing i'm not he's not canelo is the best in the world maybe one of the best of all time but let's watch that it's the same same logic as with tyson fury and um and francis yeah yeah i mean same same allure to that yeah but they're doing that with little gloves oh four ounce glasses yeah he's gonna they're gonna fight with with bear you know little mma gloves but but boxing yes it's a hybrid type fight they're gonna they're gonna fight with little gloves boxing how much damage is that gonna cause them i mean it's a it's all whether or not francis can get close to tyson yeah and land shots right because tyson fury is so rich and he's so skilled at boxing it's also got this style this like herky jerky style and right like if you're not
used to that you're like hey what it was like a little guy yeah you know i mean he's so so smooth or as big as he is six nine six nine that's a big man he's amazing that's a big man and he did something very clever after the uh dillian white fight he said he's retiring so he's going to give up all his belts so if he fights francis and ganu yeah he's not fighting for any belt so he doesn't have to give any of those sanctioning bodies any money yes that's what he did see this is them together and he also asked francis if he had a giant which is uh i'll answer that look at him [Laughter] even if he's got a regular for his size body i didn't know he was that tall francis well he doesn't have uh i mean oh okay tyson has uh no shoes on or no he has boxing shoes on which are very plain yeah and i don't know what uh francis is wearing but francis is a good solid six six god isn't he how tall is francis six five six six i don't know he looks he's uh he looks big but francis is you know he's walking around 275 natural yeah he's an enormous enormous man yeah see he looks bigger he does look bigger tyson was six nine maybe he lied about his size just a yeah six four maybe he's like six six i know he looks giant he's well he's he's a terrifying man he's terrifying have you had him on here yeah oh okay oh my god he has the best story ever his story about leaving cameroon yeah escaping cameroon and getting to france he told that story and it was a long story like right he goes into detail about it it's it's nail biting like you can't like what he did they arrested him seven times as he was trying to make his way over to europe and every time they'd arrest him they'd take him to the desert and drop him off that's right yeah like literally leave him there to die i knew of his story i couldn't remember where i'd heard it or why i knew but that's that's right and every time he made it back try it again every time made it back and tried again so when that guy enters into the octagon there's a determination that that guy possesses that yeah he's overcome he's
overcome everything he's overcome everything you know or a fight is just uh you know that's a snapshot in time yeah you know he's you know had to fight for his life basically well the crazy thing is he also he fought cyril gone with a completely blown out knee yeah his knee was going into that fight he wasn't gonna cancel the fight against one of the most difficult challengers he's ever faced cyril gone is a guy who first of all sparred with him so he knew him really well he was an enormous guy cyril ghana is also six foot four athletic super athletic very quick for a heavyweight yeah and very technical in his striking his striking is very skillful yeah and francis just just switched switched it up on him and used his wrestling took him down beat him up he did maintain the title it was impressive stuff man and um the thing about him is there's not a lot of compelling fights for him in the heavyweight division the ufc right where you want to say like ooh i can't wait to see that fight you know it's like who who's the big fight that stands out for francis and ghana in the ufc's heavyweight division jon jones yeah you know that's the big bank yeah if he comes back there is a lot of talk of john coming back against stipe and uh i'm very curious to see if that actually comes to fruition me too is that is there any announcement of that there isn't an announcement right no they're talking about september i thought didn't i hear that like stipe wasn't going to be ready till september i wonder why what do i need till september i mean it's may i wonder why he needs four months because he hasn't fought forever i know yeah it's been a while i wonder what that is maybe he's recovering from an injury or something like that or he just wants to be you know sometimes it's like when am i gonna be at my best yeah you know maybe it's a longer camp you know he's going to fight jon jones there was also talk of stipe fighting tied to ivasa um i don't know if that was real i think they do have another fight now for tai tuivasa though
who is uh boy you want to talk about a character yeah i know yeah he's drinking his beer out of your shoe yeah that's turned into a thing now i see other fighters doing it he tried to drink beer out of my shoe when i was interviewing him after the fight goes joe can i drink beer out of your shoe i'm like no no that's disgusting i'm gonna put that back on that shoe out of here bro i'm not gonna i love him i love him to death yeah his his attitude's infectious for sure uh he's well also his skill level has increased like by leaps and bounds and the fact that he took out derrick lewis like that i know in houston and derek lewis is the biggest power puncher in the history of the heavyweight division he's knocked out more guys than anyone in the history of the heavyweight division and he rocked him mm-hmm he did he took it had him in real trouble yeah and tai came back swinging that's that's uh pretty amazing is there a fight scheduled for him i just looked him up i'm not seeing anything i think they had something that they were talking about it might be rosenstein so if they're smart that's what they do well it's also it's like francis just had major knee surgery right so he had ligaments reconstructed and that was just about a month and a half two months ago that takes nine plus months to really heal up and then if he really wants to give it the right amount of time he needs another three after that to like work his way back into shape and get to the point where he can fight again who francis you're talking yeah yeah but he he wants to box i think doesn't he want to let that his contract run out and box or what well the ufc might go in on it oh i see you know i think the ufc um first of all he's immensely marketable as a heavyweight champion yeah he's he's an incredible fighter yeah if they're smart and they are i think they'll make a conor mcgregor type deal with him okay where you know they they co-promoted the conor mcgregor mayweather fight so they'll probably co-promote this and then make
something with him and in africa fury what are you doing oh my god what are you doing yeah sign him put him in africa a huge fight what if they both get malaria i don't know but it'd be a hell of a fight because they'd be equal than if they both had molecules um like if they did fight in africa i wonder where they would do it when they would do like rumble in the jungle right with her i know where ali fought yeah i mean something of their it would be insane they could probably get a million people there yeah i mean you got to do that yeah that would be incredible if he fought in cam i mean cameroon has a venue probably not it's not just that it was also like you have to have a fighter hotel where all the fighters can stay and you'd have to have world-class facilities i don't know i mean south africa's you know probably they probably have that yeah yeah i'm sure they're doing south africa cape town yeah so but i would want to do it where francis is from yeah oh that'd be that'd be ideal yeah oh it'd be i couldn't imagine that environment yeah they might want to build a hotel for that yeah so you have the olympics they go in and they rebuild the whole city yep yeah you'd have to do it it would be the biggest spectacle it would be a crazy fight yeah he deserves it he does they both deserve what what he came you know how to get out of there and what he's made of us of his life it's amazing i mean he should have he should have wrote a chapter and endure yeah he's gonna write his own book i'm sure no kidding that story that he told my podcast was insane and i'm sure there's many many layers to that story i'm sure he has many stories that you know he just couldn't get into because you know he's trying to just get to the point yeah yeah i mean i couldn't imagine going through that you know every day what his what he thought about or what what the mindset was the thing is like he got through and he's so nice
like when you're around francis he's so gentle and nice he's like such a friendly guy he's always smiling and he's really nice and until you get locked in that cage with him god [Laughter] yeah see that's he's different because like it uh mike tyson i never heard anybody say how how nice he was no no it's just intimidation yeah it's terrifying it's scary yeah even you sitting across the table i remember you said that like a few years ago when he was on here i changed the size of my table because of him yeah it was a little too close yeah well what happened was we had the same size table but i was thinking about making the table smaller oh then after doing the podcast with him i was like i don't want to be closer to him scared but that's when he was getting ramped up to fight roy jones it was funny because after he left i turned to jamie and jamie was like that's a totally different person because we had him on was like 10 months prior to that and he was a super mellow stoner yeah he'd been smoking a lot of weed he wasn't even working out right and i asked him i go why do you not work out and he goes i don't want to reignite my ego that's what he said and man was that prophetic yeah because then he did well it's you gotta imagine there's memories in that man's brain of just being the ultimate conqueror yeah you know how do you how his competition is hard to walk away from anyway yeah let alone if you're mike tyson and it's also like when he would hit those pads you could see him like recreating it in his mind like thinking about like what it was like when he was at his best yeah he did that on the plane with that kid that was bug they're not pressing charges that's one good thing about los angeles lacks uh like district attorney yeah the way they're handling violence they're like yeah whatever that guy well and obviously he deserved it you could watch her so they're saving the taxpayers a lot of money yeah and the guy was a lengthy he had a lengthy criminal history yeah not a good guy oh really yeah yeah yeah
the guy was a criminal guys in and out of jag and irritated dirtbag irritating jailbird who was drunk and not a good combination that's fate put him on that flight right behind mike tyson that's what happened fate wanted him to get molly whopped in front of the whole world and tyson just hit him a few times i know kind of gentle he did yeah but it would have been scary as hell to be have tyson leaning over his seat punching you i know imagine god if tyson wanted to he would have got out of his seat and come over to him and then the guy would have been i'm surprised he didn't grab him by his neck and haul him over yeah right just imagine mike tyson beat a guy to death on a plane oh he almost saw it could happen oh my god plus he was on mushrooms i think oh he was definitely high as he was coming from some crazy cannabis event and then or he went he went somewhere like florida i thought he was going there or maybe coming from but yeah yeah i remember i read that yeah i'm addicted to these fighter stories and i know well it's like there's it's there's something to all these things that's connected whether it's to you when you do these 240 mile runs when you do these races or when you prepare for mountain hunting it's like there's something to all those things that's attractive to people and that's one of the the cool things about your the title of your book endure because it's it's a perfect title for what you stand for and what what's so interesting about this because everybody knows how hard it is to endure it's it's really hard to push like when you're tired and you it's like these little creeping thoughts in your head of like just quit now just take a break let's just get some water let's take a let's do something and you got to say no but you don't just got to say no now you have to say no three seconds from now you have to say no an hour from now you have to say no and keep saying no over and over again and then you have to do it every day for your whole life yeah that's the secret to the campaign story is that you
you just figured out a way i don't know what it is but you figured out a way to push hard every day no matter what right and that i mean the whole point to the to the book i didn't have this big dream to write a book um esther my book agent she was heard the story knew of me and thought that you know we could get this out there and i'm just like kind of a willing participant but i wasn't seeking it out but the whole point to it is just to show people what what is possible because if i always say if i did it anybody can do it but it takes that like what you said that enduring every day and there's going to be things that come up there's going to be challenges there can be people your life is going to feel terrible you're going to feel like you're alone all this but you keep working keep pushing keep pushing and anybody can make it out that's what's so hard about it though is that it never ends and the thing that's so interesting about people like yourself um that do these ultra marathon races and that run so often and put in so many miles is that no one wants to do that like i don't even think you want to do it you do it because you know it has to be done but i guarantee you there's times where you don't want to do it there's uh i mean how much how much of the time when you run do not want to run i i don't know it depends on the day because i'm as you said we're the same age so you know i'm i'm banged up so there's some days where every mile a half mile is hard and it hurts and i'm like this is terrible then there's those special days where everything's clicking and i'm i'm running free and i'm running to the mountain i can see the mountain across town that i run to i can see it's kind of you know flat where i live but the mountain rises up and i can see it and i'm like that's where i'm going that's my goal and it's
like it's almost this microcosm of life it's like well there what's your goal and so my goal is to always been just to keep pushing and this bow hunting thing has always driven me and to be be something i could be proud of and so that's been what i've been running towards and so days like that it's like this is what i was born to do well you have a mindset it's like you're a very even guy like you're even keeled i don't think i've ever seen you yell you know i've known you for eight years don't talk to my kids but you're you're very even keeled like and i i think that's all that this mindset this part of your personality is also a part of the grind like don't get too down don't get too up keep going keep going keep going that's true it's and that's what i i tell people all the time um people get their hopes up for things i have you know the people would tell me like i don't know i have millions of stories about oh this is gonna happen even with this book oh you're gonna make new york times bestseller and to me i'm just like i doubt it so i doubt that that's going to happen because i've been through life so many times where i've been so disappointed and i got my hopes so far up remember my first book some this uh book you know i'd print off five thousand copies went into debt didn't have any money fifty thousand dollars i had to spend and i had probably you know a couple hundred of my own so i borrowed it from everybody and somebody said oh we're gonna order three thousand books and i'm in my head i'm like three thousand books let's see twenty dollars a piece you know whatever six hundred i'm making all this money and then they said oh no no actually we don't need that many we how about just send this couple cases a couple cases from three 000 i mean and so i had been so i i was like i made it i did it and then it's like no actually no you didn't do anything and so i had i had those books for years moved them we moved houses and i had to move cases of books like out of this spare bedroom and so from lessons like that these sponsors
would tell me oh we're going to take you to africa you want to do this this this never happened never never came through never so it's like now i'm just like no i mean you know my my life from this decision isn't going to be over my life isn't going to change it's going to be great it's probably just going to be somewhere in the middle and in the middle i'm just going to have to keep working is it better is it better that you had to be let down because you never lost your discipline like even though the excitement of like these big moments didn't happen you kept hammering you kept grinding and then ultimately did reach incredible levels of success but it's it's through this constant repetitive enduring work ethic and enduring yeah yeah i mean it's uh i don't know i still don't feel like i have the answer i mean yeah i wrote a book i i so i told my story everybody has their story and a lot of people think that their story is worthy of a book probably yeah um i told my story because i just want if somebody somebody was like me their dad wasn't around their you know alcoholism and their family they feel no confidence you know i didn't have anything going for me so there's people out there like that there's probably a lot of people like that and so and so just to give them hope that's what the book's for just to give the regular guy hope is that something because you do have a lot of fans and you have a lot of interaction with fans online and there's a lot of people like because i know because a lot of times people tag me and stuff that they send to you um does that motivate you knowing that these people look up to you and that they admire your discipline and it gives them inspiration because it's one of the things that i think is very interesting about the internet is there's never been like there's a lot of negative things about the internet but the positives in my opinion greatly outweigh the negatives and one of the real positives is that just the overall
mountain of inspiration that's available to people right now there's so many there's goggins and there's jocko and there's you and then there's all these video clips that people put together and on any given day you could see something that gets you fired up and you want to do better you want to get your life together better is it are you aware of the impact you have on other people and is that something that motivates you uh no i mean i don't know what the impact is but what motivates me is to not let people down not let myself down not let people down that that i know people do look up to me um i've you know it's hard to figure out why because i still like i said i still have a nine to five job but that's part of the reason why they like you i still do all the normal things um but i did i mentioned this the other day on a post because i posted back your original tweet to me in 2014. and you know this is like and what that was there's an example on so how social media can work and it can give somebody and i think i wrote in there that you know i was a guy with my head down looking at the ground no reason really to to raise up and have dreams i was just this is what it's going to be i'm going to work here and i'm going to work in the woods in this small logging community and this is my life and then things happen and then all of a sudden you start your gaze goes up and now you're on the horizon and you're like hmm you know because before my world i lived 20 miles outside of springfield eugene and springfield and like a big trip would be like hey you want to head to town so my world was 20 miles it was from my small town to town which is where a movie theater was and that was so my world was 20 miles big and then i was then then you start looking up and you're like well man how about the mountains way over in eastern oregon eagle cap wilderness that's more than 20 miles that's a whole other world and then you send a tweet like that and you say hey do you want to come to la
and you want to talk about bowhunting to fitness and i'm like man this is a lot bigger than i thought it was and then all of a sudden you're now you're looking at the mountain tops and you're like i wonder what life is up there on top of that mountain and that's how that's how it starts but it starts with this this person who has no reason really to dream no no reason to be confident or to have anything excited about anything and that's you're just kind of walking with your head down and then to these little changes in this attitude one person believing in you one person doubting you maybe that gives you fuel and then all of a sudden that gaze starts raising and then now you have the biggest dreams in the world and through some weird um endeavor like bow hunting from from small town guy i've been able to meet you athletes train with people on how i can be a better better a bow hunter from a logging town and it's like i train with olympians and it's like but it all starts with that that small little journey yeah and it's like so that's what i say if i did it who couldn't do it everybody could yeah everybody can it's not like you're born a prince and you know they gave you a golden bow and gave you like private archery lessons from the best coaches in the world now you figured it out on your own i i was okay so i i did i mean you mentioned um private archery lessons i did i was friends with roy roth who was still the toughest man i've ever met great in the mountains learned so much from him and then wayne who owns a bow rack he uh you know amazing archer these were my friends yeah so it's like i i got lucky i was i was just in san diego yesterday did jocko's podcast and i was down there running on the beach and i was thinking what if i lived here what what would i be there's no roy there's no wayne there's no the bow rack would i who would i have been it's an interesting question right i saw and i saw this kid and he was fishing and i'm he's fishing in the ocean there
just by himself and i was thinking well i wonder if i mean maybe he's going to be something maybe that's his thing maybe because of that thing that he's doing by himself on a i think this was a saturday fishing by himself maybe he has this big dream and maybe that's going to lead to something but isn't it also interesting that we think of someone becoming something whereas what they're doing more people know about it when more people know about what you're doing then you're something yeah it's weird right it's a weird thing it's like accomplishing something is is amazing but we want not only to accomplish something but to be recognized by it and have an impact on people it's a significant part of why both of us do what we do yeah i mean if i did this podcast nobody enjoyed it i don't know if i'd keep doing it right you know i think the only reason why i do it is that people like it and they give me money obviously but but yeah the reason why they give me money is because people like it you know that's the real the real motivation is that i enjoy doing it and then i also know that a lot of people respond to it and they like it a lot of people listen so if you're doing your thing whether it's bow hunting or that kid who's fishing what if a lot of people were watching that kid fishing what if that kid is like this really motivational inspirational fisherman it sounds crazy but it also sounds crazy to be a motivational inspirational bow hunter it does you've figured that out right so it's like what is it's like human endeavors whatever they are like the the human spirit the the whatever is in a person that makes them exceptional is expressed through so many different mediums it can be expressed through swimming it can be expressed through what what a painting whatever you're doing poetry anything whatever you're doing but that thing we're trying to do is we're trying to affect people in a positive way we're trying to get people
excited we're trying to like there's a thing that you get rewarded for and that reward is to make people's lives better and sometimes you can make people's lives better just through your own personal effort just through hard work and being an example and that example fires people up and they get excited and some people get mad at you and they and i know you respond to that and you get mad at haters but the reason why you have haters is because people are upset that you're getting attention and they feel like oh he's taking attention away from me it's just a weak minded perspective but it's super super common you know you i mean you're as much as anybody i mean hunting and making in the quote industry is very competitive and then men have egos it's one of it's one of the biggest biggest weaknesses we have as our ego i think and so i would be my attitude was well i need to win and there's no if this guy's winning he's taking from me you know and so you were the one who kind of pulled the curtains back on that and that's what i wrote about in the book is that you know i can't remember how you said it but you said there's enough cake for everyone and it was like i'd never thought that well if i win they can win two or if they win i can win also i thought about is one or the other and it's not most people think like that right it's not that's not the case it's a famine mentality and it's bad for everybody it's bad for the person that thinks that way more than anybody it's way worse for them than even the person they hate on the pro like when someone hates on you it doesn't it gives you energy like goggins loves it he loves it i wish those would hate on me every day i read that yeah he says he records him and then listens back listens back and he loves it he's a different man yeah he is a different kind of man i love that mentality though because that that's what social media has shared that mentality which how would you know about that mentality like where i where i grew up as a one a or we were 2a when i was
there but a small school 100 kids where are you gonna be exposed to somebody with that mentality right you're not you're not you're not so if you make it out it was just like kind of luck kind of who knows what happened you know you've got a twist of fate works your way now there's guys and that's where social media is like you can talk all the you want about it it's an amazing tool to enhance lives if that's what you're looking for it's also an amazing it exposes personality it exposes the way human psychology works and that's where the whole hater thing comes into perspective because so many haters like they're the reason why they hate is so illogical and but it's really just when they feel bad because of other people's success yeah whether it's a an athlete's success or a musician or an entertainer whatever it is that bothers them it's they feel bad because they haven't they haven't reached the same level success this other person has and they feel like it's unattainable so they want to chop that person down yeah in some way to make the world fair what they don't understand is that that doesn't help anyone it doesn't help you and if it's you're hating goggins it actually helps him which is bad but for most people it just makes them feel uncomfortable and then they just don't want to listen to you anymore but it doesn't stop them from getting and also it doesn't convince other people that you're correct you just seem like a yeah when you like when you have all this hyperbole that you attach to you know like you exaggerate how bad a person is everyone knows why you're doing it right when they look at you and your life's a disaster and you're hating on someone that's super successful everybody knows but you yeah you think you're tricking people you think you're so virtuous and so amazing and even though you haven't achieved any success at all you want to on this person and somehow or another it's going to knock that you don't like them because they're killing it right that's what it is everyone knows but you even your wife knows yeah you come home and about some guy who's
playing in the nfl you don't think your wife knows and don't you everybody knows and they should know right when they when they look in the mirror they got to know but they haven't been taught that's what it is you have to be taught and you you have to look i came from a martial arts background and when you come from a martial arts background you must look at things for what they are or you get hurt you get hurt you can't lie and pretend you're good because then you'll your dumb ass will take a fight with someone who'll you up and you you'll think you're going to win right and you should know right you should know and you can't you've got to be able to objectively analyze your skills you have to have confidence but you also have to have objectivity you have to look at what you can and can't do and know that you haven't gotten there yet maybe you will get to that level someday but right now you're not there and when you see someone that's really good you've got to be inspired by them instead of hating on them and say oh use nothing um and the book came up there's a lot of people that think like that yeah those people wind up getting taken down on stretchers yeah because they they are delusional they look at the world the wrong way if they looked at it the right way they would look at it like mike tyson used to do when he was watching those old films of jack johnson and and jack dempsey and and of harry greb and watching those world-class fighters from the 30s and the 40s and watching willie pep films he did all that he didn't look at them and go those guys no he wouldn't talk about it you wouldn't say i'm better he would talk about them with reverence he would talk about joe lewis and rocky marciano we talked about them with reverence yeah about how amazing they were and that is what made him great is that he he part of what it is i mean obviously besides all the other great things is that he concentrate on excellence and instead of like hating like many people do like in in his in this amazing world that mike tyson lived in he had um this guy named jim jacobs who was his manager who collected boxing films so he had one of those old like yeah projection things and he would sit and watch these old-timey fights that
this guy had like stacks and stacks of so it was like this amazing environment for him to just take in inspiration learn and be inspired it's respecting history yes it's uh yeah the inspiration it's uh it's fuel yeah and that's what the internet gives you on top of the haters there's going to be haters because it's a part of it's a it's a natural path of thinking it's a natural human personality path but beside that what's also available is if you look at it the right way everyone becomes fuel kind people nice people become an inspiration you go god i want to be nice like that guy yeah i wish i was nice like that guy right and then you like learn how to be like kinder like when i'm around that person they're always smiling i feel better god i got to do that more i got to be nicer to people it's better it's better for them it's better for me and you can learn we can all learn from each other that way that's i mean it's i'm you know not young so i wish i would have learned this a long time ago but i have tried to look at people who are successful who i look up to and that's what the kind of the book is about where i have the chapter about where i take from all these people i look up to um everybody respects but it's like how can i take what they do and apply it to my own life yes and before it was it was just like i have to win i have to beat everybody i have to i would i would look for negatives of that person well well yeah i could do that too if all i did was train i could run that good you know and so i instead of that attitude it's just like no well how about this and then you take the positive part and then you add it to your arsenal and then you're growing and you're improving and you're appreciating and gratitude and all these things that makes you i mean you have to be a complete human yes you can't be a negative looking at the negative of everything thinking like you've been cheated in life and that's why you're not successful and you should be getting more attention no you have to have you switch that mindset to gratitude and and then you see everything differently yes yes and it's the same experience you're you are the same human the same biological creature
that's seeing the same world but you're looking at it a completely different way and it empowers you not only that the person that you instead of like hating on someone you actually can appreciate the qualities of them and if you ever meet them then you could say hey man i just want to tell you i saw a video that you put out there and it really moved me and i thought it was awesome or i saw this or i remember watching you when i was that or i saw something that this person did or i read your book or watched your whatever the it is yeah that that's what we should all strive for we should all strive for figuring out how to conquer that little dirty inner that dirty little that wants to be jealous that inner that inner like coward that wants to like look at the world in a a distorted lens because it gives your sad little sorry ego comfort to do that and i i see men you know like i said men including myself have that and i see them and i see them talking like that and it's like you can't respect it when you've seen through different lens the lens we're talking about and then you see that the the exact opposite is you can't respect it well i just want to get away from them yeah when they do that i'm like yeah get out of here right especially me because like i was that guy when i was young i was that guy how did you change i real well i feel i i feel like i figured out what was holding me back was mm-hmm like if i looked at someone and i didn't and i thought oh they ain't i was like that's not true they're awesome like what's wrong with you and i spend a lot of time by myself thinking you know and i spend a lot of time training one of the things that comes out of training like really hard training is that after it's over there's these revelations there's like moments of peace where the training is so hard and you're so exhausted and a lot of times you're by yourself maybe i'll be sitting there stretching or something like that and i'd be thinking and i just learned i just thought about it always and i was like that's this is not true like this is this is this is not serving me it's
not helping me so it wasn't a life coach it was a self-realization i've been i've been coached inadvertently by a lot of things that i saw i've been coached by other people's failures i've been coached by other people's successes i've been coached by my own failures my i've been coached by my own successes but i also read a lot of books i i like this guy in my arm miyamoto musashi is the reason why this is on my arm it's from the book of five rings so a million years ago when i was the editor for eastman's boeing journal i had a quote you said during a fight from him you know if if you master one thing you can see the way in all things something like that and i quoted you and this was like way before we ever met but that that means something to me too because that that also you said it during a fight once and that's what i took in my editorial i wrote that i heard you during the ufc broadcast say that and it's like that kind of resonated with me yeah like that makes sense and then i started then i was at i was at my my normal job and i remember when i first started there there's this job that came open the job i did for 20 years as a buyer and nobody put in for it that was internal that already worked the company and and so i was the only person who put in i was on the construction crew and i put in and they and i was like well how come nobody else is putting in they're like oh we don't want to deal with the office i'm like office bull i mean what i was making seven dollars an hour now i'm making 18. what are you talking about and there was no office it was just like that was just a thing that you know there's like the stigma of office nobody put into success nobody put in for the job so it's like all these little lessons i learned i heard you say that i might my work life and then i was like god maybe all the all this maybe this isn't real maybe what's real and you said you'd after training you would have this yeah this enlightenment thing for me it's been when i'm running yeah when i'm running there's nothing else to thinking about i'm running and sometimes like you
can run and you can go through all these wave of sometimes i think about my dad and get kind of sad or think about roy and you know just question stuff and then sometimes i'm feeling really good and like i said i'm looking at the mountain and like that's what i'm doing today and when i get there i can't wait to get to the top and i do this little video and everybody knows the video oh yeah on top of your mountain and so i'm like i kind of look forward to sharing that video because i know other people look forward to it but then you're so all these different factors come in and you're like i've been looking at this all this the wrong way yeah why why why have i been putting this negative energy into all this when it all i had to do is change my mindset and that's all that's happened in in my life in the book and then once you change that it's just like they say that you know the more you give the more you receive you know you get more generous with money and another thing i learned from you is how generous you are and so i'm like well i'm going to implement that too i just i've been rewarded more in life and it's like god dang what is going on it's real it's it's a hundred percent real it's real and all we're trying to do is share it's like this is look at this guys look yeah there's a lot of power in love and i know that sounds very cliche but there's power and love and when you're generous and when you're kind and when you're complementary and when you you appreciative and you're grateful that's love that's like happiness it's negativity should be reserved for the most evil of things that you can come across in life and a lot of negativity that i encounter in life i always have this reaction like i want to hate i want to be angry i was a mean kid when i was young man when i was fighting i was mean because that was the only way i thought i could win i mean i thought i had to be mean in order to be successful because you're trying to hurt someone you're you're in a sport where you there's a trained fighter and you're trying to hurt that trained fighter it took a long time before i knew how to
let that go and one of the things that really helped me was appreciating people for the good qualities and so even when someone like hates on me there's like there's a part of me that goes i get it i know where they're coming from i bet if i got alone with them talk to them for a while i could i could let them know the real me and you know we were talking in the today like sometimes there's whole articles written about that i've said on the podcast and then i'll read the article i'm like well i don't even agree with that i don't even agree with what i said like i said it and it was like i'm talking but if someone said yeah but this i would have went yeah actually you're right that's a good point that's that's yeah that sort of cancels out what i'm saying or that's another perspective that's enhanced we get so locked into protecting our ego and protecting like our identity and shielding ourselves from like fear and the fear of the unknown and the fear of other people and the big leaps that i've made in my life have all come from abandoning that and it all a lot of it has come from love a lot of has come from appreciating people a lot of it has come from celebrating people right a lot of what i do in this podcast is talk about how great people are right it's a big part of it yeah great comedians great friends like you bow hunters and athletes and musicians and rappers and singers and guitar players and i love people i think i think that's that's a giant part of life man it's like life is life is all of these creatures that we call human beings existing for this very short amount of time and you could spend that short amount of time that hundred years if you're lucky you could spend that 100 years being a creep and being an and hating your neighbor and hating everybody else or you could just forgive people and just be as nice as you can and reserve the real hate and anger for when you're protecting your life or you're protecting loved ones or people make mistakes people are they're flawed they're filled with
you've thought in a negative way in the past i've thought in a negative way in the past it's like we're all we're all capable of great things it's just we have to find that path to these great things and when you do find that path if you share it with others it helps you don't want to keep it to yourself tell other people tell them all they want to elevate that too i mean one thing you i you i picked up that you just said but where you change your perspective on something you said and then you read it back i i think that's a hard thing for a lot of people to for one thing i some there's people i've worked with before that i've never heard them say i don't know i actually don't know it's crazy right you know they're they always know and it's like no you it's okay to say you don't know or another thing is somebody could say well well you but i thought last time you said it was this way and you and nobody wants to say yeah i did i was wrong those things right i don't know and yeah i was wrong yeah i mean i was talking to jocko about this with this origin thing that you know we're involved in that's one thing that i've noticed with jocko and origen and and the men involved in this is that it doesn't seem like there's an ego that's protecting things it's always like taking in that positive light yes you know the feedback or the nobody's really married to this thing like this has to be this way and i'm not compromising right it's always like oh okay i did yeah i didn't actually didn't think of that well it's leadership right i mean jocko was a navy seal leader and when you lead a bunch of elite alpha males like a bunch of navy seals you can't have any of that right you got to be there and and not operators the best if if i mean there's no way to be the best no and jocko was it the best yeah and that that sort of mentality that's one of the beautiful things about what jaco does when he teaches leadership you know when he teaches he calls it extreme ownership right that's
a big part of it yeah and everything yeah that's i was wrong yeah that that's part of owning yeah whatever like yeah i was actually wrong on that and i've you know had i've learned since then human beings are so messy man i know there's so much going on and i mean i'm a different person 15 times a day you know depending upon whether i've eaten whether i'm tired whether i got good news or bad news and like it's it's hard to navigate through that weird sort of river of emotions and expectations and anxiety and just be consistent and have these principles that you follow by like be honest be truthful be nice whenever possible right be disciplined get be grateful get through it but if you can do that oh you can write a book like cam haynes and it'll be awesome it's just thank you that's what that's what we all strive for we all strive to be the best version of ourselves that we can be and there's a lot involved in that and you can't get that way through it doesn't exist no one who reaches the top of anything got there through right like that whole fake it till you make it get the out of here with that nobody says that has ever made it yeah that's not real that fake it till you make it no just be real about what it is and strive to make it and whatever making it is i don't even know what making that is either i don't think it exists because i'm i don't i don't feel like i made it i don't even know what that means i mean i could ever imagine being as successful as i am now when i was a child right but i still don't think i made it i don't think i don't think it's a place i think it's i think it's like narnia i don't think it exists well how do you so i mean everybody would look at your life and think that you made it so how do you have that what what is it about that why are you i mean we've talked about different things we've talked about archery and like oh we need to just these big goals in archery and in like the business and things like this why do you keep chasing new things i mean what is it what drives you i don't know i'm not i don't think about it that much
i mean i just do it that's like what that's um that's how i measure whether or not i'm i'm i'm okay that's how i figure it out like i need i i don't think anybody who doesn't have challenges in their life is happy i don't think the human animal is designed for no challenges i think the human animal is designed for constant tests and the when you when you reach i don't think there's ever gonna be a point in my life when i don't do difficult things i'm gonna be doing some difficult until my ticker stops and that's just how it go this whole idea everybody wants this moment where you're drinking lemonade with your wife and just sitting out there looking at the sunset like jordan peterson said that he's like it was a great uh video that you could probably find if you go looking on online it's like what is what what is making it and he's like what's what's your version of making it oh i want to be sitting on the beach drinking margaritas he goes for how long for six months yeah and he goes you're gonna have liver failure yeah you're gonna get bored like what are you that's not real this idea that people have of these moments that you're going to reach this this like holding hands and walking into the sunset like that shit's not real can't do i what's real is in the now yeah excuse me and what i know about in the now is that i have a human body that has it's it's a 54 year old body that has been a part of the genetic chain that has evolved for hundreds of thousands of years when it had to fight off predators and hide from warring tribes and and go to battle against intruders and find food for your children and that body and that mind needs problems right it needs problems it needs to find solutions it needs work it needs stress you know i got up this morning took my kid to school and then i went and did a brutal leg workout no one's over my shoulder tell me how to do it there's no one there i didn't even listen to any music
i just today i just decided to just grind and while i was doing that it was it was interesting because like when it was over i finally got through it all it's like an hour and a half later i'm exhausted i can't walk you know my legs were all wobbly and but i was like i did it ha ha like another day you won see you tomorrow yeah and that's that's like my my little battle that i'm playing with life my little battle that i'm playing with life is if there's no hard things for me to do i'm gonna make my own hard thing because i know that if i don't then the rest of life will be hard right yeah i don't want that i want the rest of life to be easy so the hardest thing that i do i want it to be some that i make myself do right that way the other things that break other people for me i'm like right this is easy you can't do to me what i do to myself right you're not going to and that's i mean that's exactly like when you talk about the long races that if nothing else yeah they're terrible during it and i do actually enjoy that feeling but also it makes regular life seem like wait what are you upset about yeah you know this is nothing i remember we were hanging out once and um i forget who it was that said to you uh well after this is over you and i should race and you go well good luck with that yeah that's the way that you said it you said good luck with that like a guy who's run for three days straight through the mountains yeah because like when you did the it was after you did the moab 242 right and i know they were just around yeah yeah but it was the way you said it you were like well good luck with that yeah no i mean if that that's just what i've done every day forever but and like you said you lifted today um that's what i was doing when you came and picked me up today yeah it's like lifting in the gym it's like i think once you have that that you you need that you need it you need it you need something whether it's yoga or running or something you need something because regular life there is i mean there's challenge yeah but not we we eliminate all the challenge we're
never really that hot we're never really that cold it's easy to get food we're never hungry you know it's just like so if you just take the path of least resistance man i don't you're not maximizing your life and obviously for people out there that have to work 16 hours a day and you know you have a very difficult physical job you don't have the time or the energy to do other things i get it you're doing it already you're doing it whether you're realizing it or not by during those days so much respect for those for the workers that keep keep us going you know what i mean so there i get that too and i have they're at the top of my list the laborers in my work the guys who are in the field putting water line in the ground those how do you not respect those guys so i i do get that too hard living yeah i remember i was reading this um powerlifting uh article this guy was talking about powerlifting and one of the things that he recommended was to get a hard labor job yeah i was like wow this is interesting and he was like some of the biggest gains that i made was when i was a mason and i was carrying bricks all day and i remember thinking that like whoa that's a commitment to getting strong yeah like this guy's idea was just get a job where you have to lift heavy all day and then go to the gym yeah i know and i remember i was like i think when i was like 18 or 19 when i read that i was like jesus yeah it was like daunting for someone who was already struggling with discipline i was like my god that's daunting yeah this guy's choosing to get a hard labor job just to strengthen his body yeah but you know what you're you know as well as anybody what your body is capable of yeah i mean we're capable so much and then we we water that down and we we don't expect much of our body and it's like you can't tell me that these people who are doing just incredible things that are the exact same species as us are i mean maybe we can't do what they do we can do a lot a lot more a lot closer or challenge ourselves and get to a higher level for sure than just bare minimum you could do a lot more than you think you can yeah that's that's a fact you could do a lot more than you think you
can and it's hard to get a person to recognize that without actually setting a goal and trying to achieve that goal because if you're just kind of going to the gym every day and you have some sort of lack of days that go out well i'm gonna get my time man i'm just gonna i'm not gonna kill myself just kind of put a little work on it you don't really know what you're capable of until you like set a goal and that's when you realize it's like you're capable of a lot the body has an amazing capacity amazing yeah but it's just you have to you have to push it or it's never going to find that you're always going to think that you're capable of less and so what so i've always said this your body will give what you ask of it if you don't ask much it won't give you much but i see that how genetics can not genetics i don't know your body can change i put up this thing um did you see that archery video about the guy's shoes yes and it changed their bone structure changed so did that change i mean is it that person changed their body or let's talk about what that video is for people that didn't see it these guys uh they found that these long bows that these uh europeans uh were pulling back what was it 190 pounds to pull them back it was i think they were over a hundred i don't know if they're up to the mongolians 160 but they were let's see find the video because it's on cam's uh instagram is it i think it was more than that i think it was more than the mongolians see the structure their bones are changed which makes sense because like if you're doing this for war and it's like whether or not your arrow can pierce armor right whether or not your arrow can go through like these thick cowhide shields that they put on or whatever they had on them wood or whether it was metal like there it is let's give give me some volume on this and re replay it you got to click that little thing they go we're super human let me explain this is an english longbowman he has a different skeleton than us so one of the main reasons why england was so dominant in the middle ages was because these guys
were so deadly there are historical records of these bows piercing through armor but historians thought it was a myth it was an exaggeration but then archaeologists finally actually found some of these bows in a shipwreck and they found something that shocked them you see modern big game hunting bows have a draw weight of about 60 to 70 pounds maybe some folks go up to like 80 or 90. these english longbows had a draw weight of up to a hundred and ninety pounds modern bowhunters actually debate these findings because they think it's unrealistic but people in england were required to train with a bow from childhood on and it actually changed their skeletal structure the bones in their left arms became enlarged their fingers looked different they basically became superhuman people in the past superhumans to go oh yeah that's what i said and it's like so but that okay that's one thing but it reminded me of gogan's story where his you know his he had knee issues and things like that and that's putting it mildly right but i mean his body changed he his knee issues were so crazy that he had bone on bone arthritis for a decade and was running so his it's it's something called like wolf syndrome i think it's called where his bone tried to adapt to the fact that it was getting tortured so it like misshaped and when his doctor looked at his knee he said i can't imagine that you can walk on this right never mind run thousands of miles yeah and he did and his book amazing book can't hurt me but he ran 7 000 miles in one year which is you know 20 miles a day every single day so he's put in the miles yeah and he's still i mean it wasn't long ago i met him down there he talks about this in the book and we went on a 20-mile run and he's grind i mean running hard hard with no meniscus no yeah he's just thrashed but it's just like that mindset so but this video this english longbowmen and then you talk about your body adapting me saying that your body gives what you ask of it is 100 true yeah it's 100 true
these and so if but these people who are in this thing about path of least resistance what do you expect is going to happen who's going to push the lease forward you got to push yourself push yourself and then your body just as we've seen with these examples will respond in incredible ways and you don't have to do it right away either you just like start slowly you could build up to it you don't want to get yourself to a position where all your ligaments blow apart and your shoulders fall off you got to work your way up to it but have some goals and do it think of it the same way you think about medicine if you had a disease let's think if you had a disease and they said hey cam we got bad news the bad news is you have a terrible disease and it's going to destroy your body and it's going to destroy your life it's going to destroy your mind and it's going to leave you depressed and it's going to leave you sad and despondent but we have a cure it doesn't seem that good that cure is exercise and you got to take that cure every day and if you don't take that cure every day you're going to go down the road that the standard american diet practitioner has you're going to get diabetes you're going to be fat you're going to have arthritis you're going to be but if you do you're going to thrive and you're going to live a life like you're you and i are both 54 years old and that's old for someone who works out like we do so we were kids you remember what you thought about a 54 year old oh yeah old as hell oh my god dead man yeah dead is that when i was in high school i had a crush look at this old man yeah i had a crush on mcdonald's so she was hot as then i found out she was 26. i was like god that is old i remember thinking that i remember thinking that i don't know 26 and i was like god she's so old and uh remember when she what was that vision quest remember oh yeah she's playing in the bar or whatever that was oh my god i've seen that movie a hundred times that was my movie man when i used to get pumped up i know martial arts how awesome was
that man yeah matthew modine i know i don't know who that guy was that played uh the yeah the bad guy the badass yeah uh that movie was great i just watched it not long ago is this the bar scene yeah there it is come on madonna madonna's up there dancing she's singing crazy for you i know look at her yeah look at that she was hot and now she's crazy odd it's odd now now she's not hot and crazy it's um i don't know if she's crazy because like it's hard because you you get a an impression of someone through social media and it's very difficult to find out if that's really so that's not her right there that i thought that's how she was in real life she's crazy about having fun but she's on stage and performing like yeah but she seems up i mean i'm gonna say this kindly a bit unhinged i'm not i'm not happy with what she's doing well that let me hear some volume let me hear what's going on here just restart that so i can see what the she's saying the song promo okay but here's the toes to the incredibles position that we are all in as artists [Music] listen cheers to that she's hanging next to a dude looks like a alien reptile but i like that guy i follow that guy with the mask on who's that guy sick his music he does his remixes with music oh it's just so good yeah yeah like listen to one of these i don't know who that guy is yeah give me he's awesome give me something i'll try to pick one that wasn't new oh he's a dj so yeah it's a good move too because he can go to the grocery store and nobody with him yeah right he's balling with that crazy darth vader gold whatever the he always wears different masks but yeah it's like little remix on hits that's smart it's like that marshmallow guy he can go anywhere yeah and meanwhile he's still selling out stadiums i know
and he's got his though they're sweet masters i know and look at his hoodie you know he's got his logo and his sick do you think he wore those during the coronal virus during the pandemic for safety yeah that's how it started it might be how it started i mean yeah if you had to wear a mask if they told you you got to wear a mask do you wear that mask do you care about your community or not i do you care about your wear one of those your fellow people but that's the thing that's like you didn't used to be able to wear a mask like that if you went to a restaurant before and you had that mask yeah people would be like you got to get out of here but look at the branding i mean every so those thumbnails see how sick they are yeah consistent colorful yeah pretty dope how many followers and he's got the crazy s let me let me guess let me guess don't look at it don't look at it 1.7 million way more oh really yeah 4.4 million yeah okay i know you might have a lot of fake followers that's one thing they found out about twitter elon put the the hold on the twitter purchase he's like hey how many fake followers do you guys have a little skeptical on that in that way everybody kind of knows except for the people at twitter that put out that five percent right bot thing but they said they're only checking a hundred like a hundred accounts or something yeah those are samples sample size and he got in trouble for saying that because he violated the nda that's just got to be like 50 60 have you it's so high i think it's 50 fake if you look at some people's accounts when they tweet something the amount of interaction that's happening at that moment it's not real something up and then those girls the the right who whatever porn girls or whoever they are oh the bots they're not girls those are fat russian guys they like me what are you talking about they're my fans they give you the splash the water splash on the eggplant yeah i'm in love with you or whatever they say but how do they get a million likes in one second so the moment that instagram allowed people on pcs to to look at it on a browser the bots took
over right because they can set up programs to watch things change and update and immediately put comments on it now that they can add photos to it too it's kind of ruined the platform have you seen the way they used to do it where they used to have like like a whole shelf filled with cell phones and they were all connected with wires in the wall yeah and they were running programs on each cell phone it's they would call it a bot farm well i got the opposite of that on my page because if you're conservative and white then you're you're shut down basically guess what if you're conservative in black you're shut down too right so yeah so i'm what the algorithm is nothing now i mean compared to what it used to be well they've done something what's interesting is when elon musk said that he was going to buy twitter and then he made an offer and twitter accepted it immediately i started getting way more followers and i mean way more followers from the time that elon musk said that he was going to buy twitter and they accepted it i have gained 800 000 followers really yeah and it's like a hundred thousand in like the last week or so i wonder so what's what's up with that i have no idea but it's it's wild to see like i've almost gained a million followers since he decided that he was going and this is just on twitter yeah instagram is way slower than it used to be and there's way less engagement it's interesting it's like they've done something they've decided that i'm controversial or something they put me in some sort of category that's what i'm saying i'm not that controversial if you look look at what i post it's not that controversial i don't like how how narrow do you want what are you supposed to say yeah like also like how narrow do you want the content to be like yeah your band of like what is okay and what's not okay you can say blue hair is good yeah but they just decided they've just decided that i'm problematic like i don't know what's happened i don't either i mean yeah what's the category are they sitting back there going yeah this guy i mean we don't like what he says he's doesn't
talk about being woke enough so he's in this bucket i just i post funny things i post interesting things i post whatever i like to post yeah i i'm not like i don't have like a lot of uh ideological agenda no you don't have an agenda i mean it's not like you're promoting this one thing and they're like well this isn't healthy or this isn't i know but for a lot of people i represent like anti-masks or anti-viral uh anti-vaccinations you want a mask like this i know it's like sick but it's like a lot of people like the because of all the that i went through with covid yeah a lot of people put it into this they put me into this category because of the conversation that i've had with like robert malone and and peter mccullough there's some weird algorithm issues one thing i'm just looking at your feed one thing i could guess would be they don't like when you uh not you specifically but when people post a lot of text on on a thing right they lean into like videos and pictures so when people post things with text really it kind of gets devalued immediately really a hundred percent i've made them i've made posts that it tells me that on twitter or instagram on instagram what do you mean it's told you that how's it going is to make them i used to say like there's too much text in this it said it yeah how did it say it like a filter it'd be like when you're uploading the thing it'd be like there's it would tell me like on the top and bottom there's like too much text here you're not gonna get x amount of uh engagement or whatever and if you pay to get more i've never seen that you're not uploading through like an ad platformer through the business platform you're just uploading to your account what are you uploading through um when would it have been like through facebook um like when i'm using your page to upload something like this oh i see consider they'll say like consider cutting down the amount of taxes considering you're making your for stupid people or they just want your money so that you'll promote that post right i think that's really more work that's a big thing they just have money
promoting your post question is like i don't know how valuable that is i've never promoted things like that maybe i have a couple of times actually and that gets into the bots because bots are bleeding to add platforms no no to the bots no no top opposite so i just let me try to work it the right way when you have an ad campaign you put up like 100 i want to spend 100 on this post and i want it to go to these people yeah and it'll take five days bots can make that erase in an hour or two because it's just populating and then they'll start advertising that that won't happen if you do this like x y and z oh it still happens so it's like a scam i don't but it's not like the platform's necessarily doing it yeah they're just sort of like letting it happen i wish we had two accounts that had the exact same amount of followers and we posted the exact same post and put one of them and then said boost this post and spent money yeah spent like the maximum amount of money that you can and the other one not and see what the difference is because i wonder like what the return would be like how much can you spend like let's say if i put up a post said hey which is true july 1st i'm going to be in las vegas nevada at the mgm grand sweet so exciting big show it's a big show um but if i put that up on instagram in a p with a photograph and i said that and then it said boost post if i i wish i had two accounts with the exact same that's me yeah as uh boosting freed or roy i don't know which one i'm at i mean i think i'm siegfried there the white tiger is that the guy who got jacked who got jacked they're both dead now right it would work that way but i've seen it happen in the opposite way where like uh because that's just engagement so if you hired a company to to do that for you at the end of their uh work with you they'd show you like here's what we did here's our evidence of you gave us ten thousand dollars we returned you a hundred thousand views right the last day if they didn't get those hundred thousand views they only had fifty thousand they might spend some
money to to show that they got a hundred thousand views just to show you the client that they did all their work i wonder what's the like what's the most amount you could spend on a post how much money do you have to spend is that true say if i wanted to do an ad for endure with cameron haynes available now if you're watching this or listening to this it's available now if i wanted to do an ad for that what is the most amount i could spend on that ad on the platform so i would guess this is how it works because without having done it let's test it out it's tested out 10 to 20 000 bucks on the platform but if you want to spend a million they'll just have a phone call with them like what do you want to do really yeah yeah and then you can spend a million bucks so if you want to promote a movie you know that's how you end up in the videos and i'm like well you'll call youtube like we want to spend two million dollars on youtube advertising like oh we have a better idea why don't we put you in some of the videos with some of our creators oh they did that yes yeah yeah i'm so naive [Laughter] so for someone with a large following i'm very naive but this is all this is all like marketing manipulation stuff yeah but also like i feel like manipulation is like the antithesis of what i do like if i do that like if i had fake like like i've know people that have hired a company that gets them fake followers right because like if you're a fighter just for example yeah and you say you know this fighter has 1.2 million instagram followers that's very valuable yeah yeah you know like if you're going to get hired by bellator or something like that and they they find that you have a million followers that's a lot yeah and they they might give you actually give you more money for that so you can hire a company and at one point in time people were doing it for twitter and it wasn't that much money it was pretty impressive and it'd jack up their numbers oh my god jack it up through the
roof like quick i know people that got like 250 000 file we know people that did that that were in the hunting world yeah and they're people like hey how does that person have a quarter million followers and they got them all within like three months and then you look at the engagement it's like you know 200 likes a thousand likes like that so you can tell what's organic and what's not exactly if you look at it yeah but it's um that appearance is what a lot of people are going for just the follower number that's the problem with social media is that like everyone's trying to pretend there's something that they're not and i think that's one of the reasons why people they really connect with your content is because you can't fake running a mountain right you're running it there is there's cam it's running that mountain you're 100 running it you jump up on that log at the top what is that thing it's not a lot that's that monument monument you jump up on that monument monument at the top of mount pesca yeah you ran it that's it you did or you didn't i've thought about that too because um you know fitness there's probably quite a few fitness people who kind of fake it yeah yeah i mean you don't have to if that's all you're doing it's tough to fake running a marathon for time yes i mean it's just you can fake that you ran every day and then you sign up for a race and your time will tell you whether you've been lying this whole time right it's same with hunting yeah it's like hunting is the same way so it's really hard to to fake um what i do basically yeah it's impossible everything you do is impossible to fake it's impossible to fake being able to execute a good shot on an elk in the mountains in real life in real you can't fake that there's no faking you either can do it or you can't do it and if you can do it boy you had to go through a lot of work to get there yeah and i i see people because you know obviously i've worked to a position now where i can go on some great hunts the be actually the best elk hunts in the world yeah i mean this is what i've geared my whole life to and i've seen people say well any anybody could do that with money and i'm
like sort of sort of well we know a lot of people that have done it with money and they fail well so why have so if they want to say that you know anybody could kill four bulls a year with money where are they where are these people go make your money make your money and go how come nobody's ever done it it's like what are you talking about if if that's all it took i know a lot of people with money why has nobody done it right so i might be able to do it with a rifle yeah i mean i i still don't know anybody who's done killed four bulls in a year with a rifle yeah with anything i think you could do it with a rifle if you wanted the right hunts i don't think it would be as hard but it still would be complex because you would have to still get up that mountain yeah getting up that mountain is no goddamn joke i remember the first time ronella took me hunting mule deer and we were in montana in the in the breaks right over the missouri river and i was like oh my god this is hard to do because i was in good shape at the time i remember like i was doing jiu jitsu four times a week i was training hard i was yeah i was in pretty damn good condition and i was like yeah oh this is shocking well we've had we've went after elk too it's higher yeah it's kind of like thinner air less oxygen because you're higher yeah yeah i mean that tells you right away it's just different it's different it's different like in the gym it's a little more explosive maybe yeah fighting and training kicking the bag you know that that long pushing up a mountain that's just kind of a grind that just doesn't stop there's no breaks yeah you could take a break but then you got to keep going yeah and like i remember one specifically and i you know is we were trying to keep the wind right we didn't kill the bull but there was a bull coming over he was bugling and we had to get above him to get the wind right and so we had to push and then we got up to this bench and it's kind of this bedding areas like i remember is just amazing looking out country but we went past it and then we went up and we kind of were side hill and those bulls were going crazy down
here and you almost had a shot at a bull and then we kind of went up but it's like that whole push to keep that wind right as the thermals were going up it was a fight i remember that yeah i remember trying to keep up with you the cam went up that hill like a goddamn billy goat yeah i was like this is embarrassing so your endurance is so preposterous you would get to the top and i would literally be having a heart attack and you you wouldn't even be breathing heavy you'd just be glassing yeah this is incredible but that's why you do what you do right the only reason that's i mean and it pays off i remember one of the first times we ever hunted together um we were at this uh this ranch and uh you said i'm gonna go check to see what's over the top of this hill like i hear this bull and you just ran up the hill and the dude that i was with goes what the man yeah yeah yeah that's that's what that's like do that for years and you could do that too yeah that's what it is yeah i mean it's uh there's a lot to it there's a lot to hunting that people who don't hunt don't realize and there's a lot that goes into like for me my mindset has always been that i need to take advantage of those opportunities so i i built this this tool the skill set that allows me to be at my best there and doing that and even even like last year um we had a bowl and i needed to get around all the way around to see where that bowl might be remember and i ran around that that whole canyon to try to get eyes on on the bowl and sometimes yeah is that typical hunting no but if you got to do it you can do it that's the thing like people say you know oh you don't need to do i've heard criticisms about you from fat people and they're like oh you don't need to do that killable like go with him yeah go with him and tell me you don't need to do that right you're saying that but you never hunted with him right you know like when someone has hunted with you and they see the value in that like you're not doing it because you're stupid you're getting in that kind of shape because it's valuable it's very valuable to be able to move through the mountains like that because when you
see an elk run up the side of a mountain like it's flat ground yeah it's wild to see they're incredible because they're there every damn day and they're doing that to get away from mountain lions and wolves and that's that's what they do that's right and you can get your body to a much more robust state where you can you can't do it like they do it but you can do it a lot better than regular people can do it and it'll make the difference between success and failure yeah yeah oftentimes it will it's uh you know you said you know people have talked a lot of about me and what i do but it's never anybody who's hunted with me right you know i mean it's haters it's it's so have you if you've never hunted with me yeah whatever you can have your own opinion but if we've hunted together this is all this is what i do this is all i've done this is this is my focus every day and it's just like you might not like me personally it's gonna be tough to hate on what i do there's that's the things like you know we've talked about this before it's like that expression be undeniable there's a certain level that you can achieve in life where you could say all you want about michael jordan that is undeniable he's one of the greatest basketball players that's ever walked the face of the planet earth if not the best that's just an undeniable person and there's very few people that get to that undeniable place and if you really want to have no excuses in life you're going to have to be undeniable right and you're going to have haters you're going to have haters but those haters can all suck it you know because they're just lying to themselves there's people and i mentioned people like that in the book because i have a lot of good quotes and i've taken a lot of inspiration from people like michael jordan just the elites um kobe i remember kobe had i think i just saw a clip the other day of allen iverson another great hall of famer and he said when they'd got to the club kobe would go to the gym and he's like it's why
there's only one kobe yeah he was just working harder floyd mayweather the same thing you know floyd mayweather didn't drink he would go to the club drink sparkling water and they would run home yeah run home with shoes on with like well he had sneakers on but run home with like pants on like jeans and a shirt with a gold chain and they'd be running down the vegas strip shadow boxing two o'clock in the morning yeah where everybody else was like throwing up in a dumpster right so it's like when you say that um you have these goals or like those guys are like you know you say their name they don't have to say their first name you know michael kobe um floyd and it's like if that you're not going to be able to do what normal people do right so you got to get rid of that do you want to be elite or do you want to be normal well if you want to be elite it's going to take you're going to have to step out of what normal people would think or what they do and how they think and how they approach things and you can do it and you can take those that's all i say there's a whole point to the books you can take those nuggets and apply them to your own life and it's like it's a who knows what's possible a lot more is possible than the people that sell themselves short believe that's for sure and it's like there are genetics involved and there are limitations physically and they're all limited i mean if you're 60 years old and you're listening to this and you're 350 pounds your goal should not be to be the next michael jordan your goal should be to be healthy right and that is 100 possible yeah you know there was a guy i was watching a video of him the other day and one of the reasons why i was watching this video is because it had um oh my god i had me and a couple other people talking over the video someone had sent it and it was just talking about doing things and i'm the video was this guy being really fat at the end of the video he would lost 160 pounds yeah yeah there's a bunch of those no you
sent me that one yeah yeah that was awesome it's amazing i think he had a rogan haynes head on actually okay i'm thinking of a different guy but that guy did oh yeah that guy did and that guy's another guy that's lost a shitload of weight yeah oh that's a different one okay but there's a bunch of those there's a lot of those videos out there yeah they're not going to be jordan but what could their life be and also then not only could what their life be who could they impact yes you know that's this whole we we talk about this ripple effect well you're gonna do this then that's gonna impact this guy then this guy then this guy then their kids then who knows what and collectively you know it's a the rising tide lifts all boats yes that's the whole point that video that i sent you made me feel good and it got me inspired watching this guy with literally my quotes and wearing a t-shirt of you and i and this guy got in shape and i got fired up god isn't that like it's like a cycle it is it helps everybody it is and it's it's also beautiful i love watching someone just get their life together i love it it's it's amazing when that happens yeah i agree and it's possible for everybody it's possible for i was looking at this old lady online the other day and she was a 65 year old woman who just started powerlifting i'm like this is 65. 65. doing deadlifts and i'm like that's incredible like it's possible yeah like and now all of a sudden like she's strong she's a strong granny oh man like you could do that that's like you're not going to do it overnight yeah you know but you can do it yeah these these episodes that we talk about these things we go through in this training we do it does carry over to everyday life and how confident you are in other dealings maybe in business or maybe if interaction wherever it's like that confidence that you built up from your training or from being dedicated to something or to making a positive change that carries over yeah you know and it's just like yeah it's not an immediate result maybe you're not going to beat night and day overnight you know i lost 100 pounds obviously that's not going to happen overnight but this this effect can impact all these
other relationships it can impact people around you it can impact the people that you contact and you touch through social media and through an online presence it can impact people that'll listen to a podcast like this that's a beautiful thing when you can you literally can give people a little lift little help little pick me up and i love those pick-me-ups i get them from goggins i get them from you i get them from all kinds of people online i get them from random people i get it for that old lady powerlifting i get them from people i think that's one of the beautiful things about social media is that you know there's a lot of toxicity but it's really just like what you gravitate towards yeah you got to develop a discipline when it comes to that stuff too it's one of the reasons why i don't read comments i do i'm like that is there's a just the chance and the possibility of negativity is just not worth it the juice is juice is not worth the squeeze unless you're goggins and plus yeah unless you're goggins i don't want any i i don't need any compliments yeah i'm not interested in coffee right thanks thanks appreciate you love you all but i get it right i'm gonna keep moving i know what i'm doing you don't need to tell me that everything's great yeah i'm good i'm i'm i'm not interested i'm interested in other people's success i'm interested in mindsets i'm interested in philosophy i'm interested in like what a person had to go through to become who they are like the francis in ghana story or or the guy who lost 160 pounds that gets me going i love it and that's the beautiful thing about social media i think there's more fuel and more inspiration for success and for happiness and camaraderie and community than there's ever been before it's just what you concentrate on yeah you know and a lot of people they complain about algorithms rightly so that like if you only gravitate towards negative things and the algorithm only shows you negative things and you just always like to be upset and the algorithm always shows you things you're upset yeah but my algorithm is filled with a lot of cool yeah mine too i'm not interested in negative i'm not interested in it mine too my algorithm
is filled with you shooting that bow today that was awesome yeah uh cam got me the new uh keep hammering bow see that that logo that says keep hammering on there it's on my bow limbs yeah well it's a great bow that new i figured it was a good book in since the first time i came down here i brought you a bow yes we went on a bow hunt after that and now this time now you got a new keep hammering bow also so yeah oh look at that that is like right at the moment of release look at that follow through yeah it's perfect yeah and that's somebody taught me so that's the 90 pound keep hammering uh what is that bow is the hoyt ventum is that the vintam yeah yeah awesome bow and then i'm shooting your other bow which is an 80-pound model just like yours but uh it's also a keep hammer in one yeah and it's just look at how perfect that fit i mean your bow's a little longer for me but it still fits perfect in that shot right there that follow-through is pretty sweet no it's ideal i mean because how you can tell us a good follow-through is your bow arm is still up a lot of people drop that bow arm on release right and you can tell that you just pulled through you can see your you know your release you're holding that release and it's going back straight ideal and that's archery country here in austin texas what a great place nicest guys they're closed today and they were all down there all hands on deck setting up these bows and couldn't have done a better job no it's pretty awesome and it's just uh you know it's archery is if there's a thing that uh i've learned about difficult stuff all of that could be learned through archery and one of one of the things about archery that's amazing is that at the moment when you're aiming and releasing and executing your shot you don't think about anything else right yeah it's cleansing it cleanses the mind there's not very many things right in today's day and age because we're distracted all the time i mean phone's sitting here and different things we look up things we talk but where you can
be have tunnel it requires tunnel vision focus that's one reason why i think the cold tubs are good too because you can't think about anything else but that cold tub and how miserable it is but it takes your brain and it does something to it archery does that uh for me running does that yeah i do think about things but i'm i'm pretty much solely focused on performing um but yeah there's very few things that that require that and we need that i think as humans we're so distracted our brains are so comp we're such a complicated species where you know we have doubts and fears and all this thing and you can you can overwhelm yourself you can so if you can have things that require you to shut all that off i'm focusing on this right now is so healthy didn't fred bear have a quote about that about uh archery yeah troubled mind yeah yeah it's real man and i think here's the trouble mine like shooting a bow i love it i love going out and just launching arrows yeah it makes me so happy well you're so good at it too it's like one that i can't remember who i was talking about is you know hunting skill or hunting experience comes over time there's no way to shortcut that that just takes time in the field but shooting with how dedicated you are with training and everything in your life it's went hand in hand with archery because you've just been so all just all in on it and it shows with your performance it's like you can shoot i mean it's you shoot probably more than i do and it's like so you're controlling what you can control you can't control experience you're going to gain that but you can control control what you can and that's uh the technical function of shooting a bone man you're dialed in well it helps we got a range right here it does it does and i did you see how sick this hoodie looks in that origin or with the sleeves cut off it's a dope pattern though i got to say that they nailed that camel pattern what about the sleeves the sleeves are a little rough it's a little much but that's you my wife always makes fun of the fact that you cut your sleeves off yeah hey absolutely this is on brand that's on bread for you no yeah or the origin camo oh my god these this looks so good and that's the number one
question that i see is okay take my money when can i buy this not yet i know yeah i know but how exciting is it it's exciting because it's beautiful to have something that's 100 american-made the fabric the construction everything all of it everything just like all of origin stuff and there's jocko with it this is all i look scared that actually gave me butterflies seeing his face right there i was like he's so intense he's intense and echoes so nice but so jacked yeah he's pretty jacked look at he's got striations on his tattoo he's got tattoos of muscles isn't that like muscle striations on his tattoos no that's not a tattoo that's just him and he's just being jacked yeah should be that's how jack imagine if you were that jacked yeah you'd that's you'd be like a character in a movie so as to is these guys look very intimidating the nicest people and jocko is like he was reading my book it's like kind of scary i was like wow this is pretty intense him reading his voice yeah but yeah we're we're involved in this origin thing and it's like i brought this up to jocko what it reminded me of is there's this i sent it to you this old series called the men who built america i don't know if you probably haven't had a chance to watch it but it's about you know uh john rockefeller all these people who came over built america like the railroad system which we pretty much still use oil kerosene lights you know we're a dark society and they kerosene brought light and so how how basically we've evolved as a country in an industry and in some weird way this origin story reminds me of that because you know as they tell so well origen and pete and jocko and kipp's involved too but bringing these factories back to making american clothing and camo and bringing this work back to america and if it feel it reminds me of that industry being here in this country yeah it's so it's such an honor to be involved in it it is an honor and the company origin that jacob's put together is beautiful because all those people are really proud to do that to make american-made
goods and i have uh four pairs of their boots that i bought they're awesome they're so good they're so comfortable and they're they're such high quality it's like you feel it it's like you could feel the handmade aspect of it in when you're holding onto it it's like just god it gives you pleasure and we used to people used to think that oh it doesn't matter american-made like what are you a nationalist why do you think about that like well during the pandemic a lot of people realize like hey yeah it's not good to rely on something that's made in another country that's across the ocean right and you might have not even be able to get a ship over there to bring it over here and we're finding that about with with chips for cars because there's a shortage the supply chain shortage is a lot going on yeah and i mean and also it's like is china on our side or do we want to send more money to china yeah you know i mean because all these high-end especially the in the hunting industry these high-end hunting brands they're all made china korea taiwan i mean it's just like it's fine that's you know i guess they do a good job it's high quality stuff but here's my thought do you do you want money to go to people that get paid a living wage and get fair health care and benefits i do i do i do i want i want people to get paid well and that's what origin does and that's what you know that's what i think of when i think of something being american-made i'm like okay well at least i know these workers are protected in some way yeah more than they were if you're like if you get up look we all both have iphones you get an iphone from china you're getting it from someone that's working in a factory where you're surrounded by nets to keep you from jumping off the right i wish there was an american-made cell phone because i would pay twice for it yeah i don't know some people can't and i understand that i'm not i'm not an elitist i'm not delusional i know that some people are struggling to just buy an iphone for what it costs now or any kind of phone but if there was a phone that was made in america and i knew that the people who worked there had dental and health care and they're
paid well and you know they have benefits i would buy it in a heartbeat because 100 yeah and that's that's what so we all had that same collective mindset about let's do this in in america i mean jacko he he sets a tone and then pete is so passionate about it um but we all believe that you know we all have pride in our country we we and a living wage to american workers it's like that's that's what we want it's extremely valuable it's very important and you know you you get like when jobs went overseas i mean everybody knows the story of that movie roger and me but that's all about jobs leaving flint michigan and going overseas and going to different countries and destroying the economies of these cities and many of these cities have never returned i'm in detroit this weekend and i'm doing i'm doing and every time i go to detroit detroit is making a comeback now there's a lot of companies like shinola and a lot of these companies that are proudly making things in detroit and there's a lot of like small businesses and but if you're there you are starkly aware like it's it's a the contrast between what it used to be it used to be one of the richest cities in the world to what it is now where you see abandoned buildings skyscrapers with every window missing it's wild it's wild and it's all from industry pulling out so they can make more money somewhere else and just destroying cities destroying the fiber of the city which was a city that was historic i mean you know detroit is like detroit muscle yeah mate yeah american worker yeah chrysler you know i mean one of the greatest cars ever right when you think of detroit you think of wow those are guys it's a hard working city yes and now i mean look like i said it is making comeback yeah you know there's a lot of people that have a lot of pride in detroit think about all the great musicians that have come out of detroit detroit rock city kiss kid rock kid rock yeah ted nugent there's a lot that came out of detroit but it's just that's what can happen when you don't
support american businesses it can it's not just a matter of whether or not you're you're paying more or less for something it's like whether or not you're contributing to the destruction of a city and and the economy and the destruction of the people's lives that are involved in that industry yeah and i don't know if we knew that back in the 1980s when they did that i don't think so quite think they did no it wasn't nobody's looking at the big picture you know yeah they were trying to make money more money by shipping you know the job somewhere else right yeah and that's what business does yeah you know but i feel like you know as a as a capitalist society if you can make money and but also have a like our goal isn't i don't know about making money all i know is about we have this goal of making american-made product and it's just like that that feels better that feels right it feels a lot better yeah and you know knowing the guys over at origin and knowing jocko it's like yeah it's great it's like i just think they're not going to be able to make enough that's my worry there's going to be so much demand for it guaranteed it's good we're going to have a hard time keeping up with demand but you know that's a good problem to have it's a good problem we don't want people frustrated either you know no yeah it's something we want to provide it's it's also really quality stuff like what we're trying to put together is quality stuff dude why are you into hacking off sleeves i don't understand that sleeves are kryptonite they get in the way but you have sleeves in that t-shirt yeah but they're lighter oh yeah but sometimes you hack those off too yeah sometimes yeah i don't who the does that i don't know you're the only guy i know that chops sleeves off of his shirts um have you always done that didn't rocky do that bert's doing it that's his new thing for the summer is doing that yeah okay oh you stole it from you so rocky and you just started taking your shirt off remember rocky had like a half shirt and apollo oh then
they're running on the beach that was the last time a half shirt was manly well so so anyway that was they influenced me when i was a kid crop top yeah do you think crop tops are coming back there's a popular nfl running back that wears one well that's a good way to get attention isn't there a guy who also plays baseball and wears pearls i don't know yeah there's apollo yeah look at him see where are those sleeves yeah the shorts are a little short no those shirts are those shirts are perfect i loved him that's my outfit gilmore rocky didn't even have it on it was apollo wearing it oh that's right why did i think it was rocky in my mind it was wrong but yeah but rocky had a yellow one on at some time oh there he goes he's got a crop top holy look at that look at those abs though oh he was jacked so wouldn't if you look like that when you wear that no if you dance for chippendales look at prince look at the one with prince where is that right there damn prince looking pretty fly he looks jacked too shredded yeah prince was in shape man he was like 5-1 though wasn't he well that's all he can do he can't grow anymore oh okay 4-5-1 he was in i know great shape well i'm not too much over 5-1 actually if we're being honest yeah the crop top is not coming back i'm going to say that you don't i'm going to make a statement and you can't prove that i brought back the fanny pack you did fanny pack's back yeah i'm gonna tell you people a lot of people out there want to take credit for the fanny pack i was on the front lines since the 90s i never gave up on the fanny pack crop top crop top suit nice it doesn't look as good there is like over there like on the field yeah on the field oh wow wow he's pretty jacked he wants to show off those abs yeah no but it's also a good way to get people to pay attention to you right ohio state when he was running back there he ran all over the ducks in the national championship game i went to that game who's the dude that wears the pearls there's a baseball player that wears pearls there's no no way yeah yeah yeah yeah he's like uh i haven't heard that
yeah he's like a major league player peterson yeah he wears purple why because it's a good way to get people to pay attention to them look we're talking about girls that's like my grandma's yeah pearl knight swearing pearls huh maybe yeah it's got to be a superstition thing baseball players are known for superheroes right that's true at first i thought it was maybe puka shells which put himself sick is it a pearl is it is it a thing that's a superstition or is it just uh do something different i wanted to do something really different yeah he's just trying to get some attention oh for the world smart we're paying attention no we're talking attention yeah for attention it's a good move if you want to get actually look at this he's just a bad yeah it's not a story or just a bad yeah he says i saw the pearls and like you know what that looks cool that there's no story he's just a bad and it's a mystery for everyone they'll never know well they know now bro you talk about it they know if you just shut the up they wouldn't know but now you tell everybody that you're trying to give him a mystery well there's no more mystery it's jamie just figured out david blaine's magic trick right there well what should he say if they asked him because they're going to ask like hey bro what's up with that necklace just not saying something what necklace i like it it's cool i like it it's cough big dick big dick energy yeah big dick energy just wearing them pearls it is funny though that like pearls are a jewelry that's specifically to women other than that dude because like in general a lot of guys wear diamonds yeah like uh especially like rappers and you know yeah god they love diamonds they have crazy diamonds definitely not pearls no no pearl yeah it's kind of pretty sexist actually a little bit yeah i feel it's it's a drool for whatever reason i can't think because it looks like loads i think that's what it is pearl necklace like the term pearl necklace that's true who's that rocky is wearing one oh look at that
i don't know it's spreading around but when did they start doing this damn those are big pearls that looks actually pretty good yeah i don't know about good this is gotta be some jewelry guys just talks them into buying it but i mean how many guys are wearing like gold chains and diamond chains yeah man you know flossy carter you know the guy uh on youtube uh i follow flossie carter flossie carter is a he's a electronics guy he's into like cell phones he does like these amazing cell phone reviews but he wears like the craziest jewelry like diamonds all over his fingers but he knows his like he's when he's talking he's reviewing it's very entertaining he's very entertaining but he's also very knowledgeable okay go to like philosophy's instagram there's a photo of him of uh he's like he's like eating dinner and he's got i don't know looks like a mr t starter kit he's got like 20 has that ever happened in bow hunting no look at that should i wear pearls look at flossie look at those rings no that look he's got everything he's got him on his fingers he's got almost all his wrists he's got him on his neck you know people like to talk about how much they're wearing like how much value in that that they're wearing that's a lot of value yeah if those are real diamonds i mean that's got to be because i've heard guys i don't know it could have been look at that medusa i kind of i'm trying to think who it was was it colby talking about he he was wearing a house around his neck yeah is it colby uh i know jake paul was doing that when he was trying to bet with eddie hearn he was like i'll bet you everything i'm wearing right yeah that's what maybe that's what it was but yeah yeah that makes sense jake paul would do it but colby had some he had a nice kind of chaos necklace he was pretty badass when he got uh in the fight with uh not the fight when he got jumped by jorge masvidal didn't he break his rolex watch that's covered in diamonds because that was like i think scratched it whatever i was going to look that up
that's the claim is that he it's being damaged and that's part of the defense yeah they get to look at it yeah and find out if it happened or if it is then what if they found out if it's not even real the claim is that it's not a rolex it's called a frankenstein whatever that means that's what the article said what does it mean what's the frankenstein um must be a knockout made of pieces like it like it maybe it was a broken one i honestly have no idea i'm trying to guess what it man i thought that would be easier frankenstein but let's look at that let's look at that chaos necklace because i i was thinking about getting one chaos you're going to get one to support them no yeah there it is chaos yeah oh it's got a crown too see that looks kind of sick doesn't it no would you wear that nope nope i don't even wear ring i mean i have a rubber ring on there yeah rubber wedding ring look at that oh actually this is michael chandler's company oh okay so shout out to uh michael chandler's company it's um groove groove lights yeah groove ring yeah they make uh good rings and they make a great belt too i got a groove belt at home too but this ring this is uh like silicone yeah this is the best for like because i lifted today right you can lift you know you have to take it off you don't even notice it's on yeah and it's like super super durable nice well good shout out to this as well shout out to michael chandler the defense believes that covington's timepiece is a frankenstein watch and doesn't hold as much value as an authentic rolex this would have a direct impact on a second charge of criminal mischief against gamebred what does that mean i don't know because it wasn't worth as much and got damaged yeah but it says a frankenstein watch that doesn't hold as much value as an authentic rolex yeah it's either a fake rolex yeah so he says up there 95 000 rolex right so how much does a frankenstein roll like what does that mean what is a frankenstein watch is it okay to owe one many enthusiasts thumb their noses at unoriginal watches
um but they do have their upsides i don't understand what's going on here let's see my guess is that you buy a used one and you fix a couple pieces on it well it says it right there it says a watch a watch that isn't in original condition or possibly has fake components but that's turned into something of a misnomer to me a frankenstein watch or frankenwatch is cobbled together with often real but not necessarily correct parts says nick pardo previously a vintage watch expert at analog shift which specializes in excessively priced time speed timepieces so you have a dial from one model hands from another and it's built up from random parts huh okay so instead of like if you've got a like an expensive watch that's like correct as the correct bezel and the correct band like it's got a different band and a different bezel or something like that speaking of elitist come on it's all rolex right yeah i guess unless it's not yeah i mean what is that i don't i don't i'm not going to put a casio hands on that for you maybe you will there's a whole market for uh custom seikos they uh they they mod seikos i have a modded seiko i have a seiko that i got from this dude in toronto or in camp vancouver where the is he uh but he uh modded it for me and they take because like those like there's a whole community that takes seikos and they'll like put a different bezel on it and they do it different dial like the dial on mine is um the face of the dial is made out of meteorite oh they take a slice of meteorite and use that to make the dial it's pretty dope that reminds me did you get that knife made of mammoth tusk yes i did yeah pretty badass yeah that's pretty badass yeah the handles made out of mammoth who made that uh outfit up in alaska it's like 80k knives i think yeah give them a shout out yeah super cool knife though but they sent they sent us both one yeah and this uh box that you sent me yeah that this comes with uh it comes with a whole uh kit here yeah this is sitting here this uh book this
uh cameron haynes indoor book yeah and you get it can anybody get this another package no so this is just me just yeah look ladies and gentlemen don't be jealous yeah but i got a whole box in here and there's a book and there's an endure look at this i've got to endure bookmark ooh but i won't need this because i'm going to read it all in one sitting i'm just going to take some adderall and bang through this book and then what is this this is an arrowhead what is this thing the patch what is this yeah yeah it's like so if you have like some velcro yeah those only went out to select you and kim kardashian got that oh ken probably gave it to pete davidson trying to make him more manly pete it's time to step up your game i hope it works and then this uh montana knife company yeah that's a cool knife did they make an endura knife this is a specific knife yeah check it out oh let me get in here josh at montana knife company man yeah does it say endure anything oh it does it says endure on the blade yeah how sweet's that so that's a company it's like you gotta i mean how could you not want to support somebody like josh in a company like that you know what i mean well first of all super quality stuff oh amazing knives and we used their knives last year to break down that bowl in utah yeah yeah yeah incredible i mean workmanship and just the quality of the knife and then and then on top of all that the people yeah and so yeah the he signed on for that those are like the vip packages for the books and he put made those endure knives fancy yeah i love fancy things we got to make a splash i know i love exclusive things you know people like me don't make new york times best seller list maybe you do maybe you make it with this we better pull it out of the stops hasn't someone on this podcast complained that their book didn't get on the new york times seller list even though they sold enough copies to be on the new york times bestseller list who was that it might have been uh brett weinstein no you don't know who they're hiring you know who i think it might happen
yes was it 12 rules for life i think sold like these amazing amount of copies and didn't make it somehow so they they say it's more subjective oh that's weird but like like like a let's see some small town redneck bow hunter doesn't really fit in with that crowd well we're gonna find out we're gonna find out jordan peterson's book is a bestseller except where it matters most right controversial author jordan peterson's 12 rules for life fails to crack the new york times prestigious bestseller list we set out to find out why right i wonder what deborah dundas found out yeah how does that make sense i don't know yeah so is it is it bestseller or where's the subjective part come in i think they just decide that someone's problematic and they don't like what they stand for maybe you know it's like everybody's just so quick to be not just judge but to just cast someone out of the kingdom forever like i don't want to have anything to do with that person that person's uh that's a bad person they have bad ideas i don't like their ideas and they don't even listen to him he's like the most misrepresented person i think i've ever encountered i have a hard time not listening to him and going god dang this guy's smart you know i mean just like you say god dang this guy's smart it makes people hard to listen to you okay uh how should i say it gosh golly gee whiz he's smart no but how do you listen to him and like try to discredit him at all well i mean he says goofy things sometimes like we all do you know when you're forming sentences and you're speaking in real time like we're doing right now yeah there you go like i do that i look i say if you wanted to like cherry-pick stupid i've said you're going to have a great time because i've said a lot of dumb but it's just because i'm thinking and talking in real time right over hours and hours and hours of shows remember when this used to be live oh my god yeah the problem with that is that people are profiting off of it they were stealing the content and making these these youtube pages with hundreds of
thousands of subscribers it was wild to watch i was like there's businesses were popping up they were stealing content and getting ad revenue i was like this is strange yeah well i think this is a good opportunity for the new york times bestseller list to turn over new leaf well and to not be i don't think your book is something that they're going to have a problem with your book is basically something that regardless of your political ideology this is all about mindset and hard work and and a person who's endured a lot in life and i think everyone can benefit from it i mean i know a lot of people that are very progressive and left-wing and they love the content that you pet out they love what you say because look at that number one new release oh it's already the number one new release already but in business and self-improvement that's incredible i mean that's not that's not really my my jam that's amazing that it's number one already and it hasn't even come out yet yes this is all just pre-sale yeah and then also this podcast hasn't come out yet and it's still number one yeah that's incredible yeah cameron haynes going to make that goddamn new york times best seller seller list we're going to celebrate i i owe a lot a lot of that credit to you i owe a lot to you my friend you have inspired me uh you've been a great friend and you taught me how to bow hunt that's changed so much of my life you know and it's uh it's enriched my life and a lot of other people's too oh well i mean it's been an honor to to be your friend it's been an honor to be yours as well thank you let's end on that little wishy-washy young jamie it's an honor to know you too yeah love you jamie i love you both oh we love you too this has never ended so sweet let's end it now before we it up all right endure it's available uh as you listen to this or see this it's available right now please go out and get it it's awesome and i wrote the forward all right goodbye everybody [Music]