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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's happening man how are you uh everything's groovy as could be I'm happy to be in Austin I love it here you know it's a fun place yeah yeah I mean I I stay here so oh yeah and uh I don't know it's like just it's a it's just a special place in this country yeah I agree it's perfect because it's like a blue City and a red State it's like even the really kooky liberal people are pretty reasonable in comparison to like the kooky liberal people from California or New York yeah cookie liberals yeah I've been thinking a lot about that lately did you get a lot of that after sat live a lot of cookie liberals coming your way that uh uh yeah is that's a good transition that uh monologue was great by the way yeah well I got a I got a lot of blowback as I knew I would you know because uh cuz he told the truth well yeah I you know it's just that you don't want to say anything negative about vaccines which I didn't what what I was talking about in that monologue was was really about profiteering yeah okay so World War II necessary everyone could say that was a necessary War let's say that this war on microbes was a necessary War right why is anyone profiteering yes why did you know you know fisa get to make a hundred billion dollar in 2021 right anyway why did the government profit off of it why the profing of war is just wrong like okay if you say that it has to be there's conflicts happening right now I disagree with but I'm wondering why are people making money off of it you know even if you think you have a legitimate vantage point from the other side of it why dides someone get to make so much freaking money off of it yeah yeah it's the dirtiest aspect of human beings we'll find a way to Pro profiter off everything everything in anything even even if it's just and they'll prolong just things in order to make more profit well I mean I I'm sure you know that uh um you know Richard Nixon knew it was imperative that the war continue you know the Vietnam War back before he got elected you know yeah he didn't want that to get settled yeah and uh there's
a great phone call I don't know if you've listened to any of Johnson's phone calls Lyon Johnson what what phone call there was a phone call he had with uh with uh Nixon saying hey man you you're you're uh going against the pieace because he was trying to get a piece to go before the 68 election right which he eventually just bailed out of anyway because he could see he was going to lose it Johnson any I don't you know maybe you haven't uh no I've never heard that conversation between Nixon and incredible conversation and Nixon's like oh I wouldn't I wouldn't do that I would never you know and of course he was doing that he was subverting the peace process you know in the same way that uh you know they wanted to make sure Carter didn't get those you know uh those guys relased in in in in Iran yeah I always wondered about uh the Vietnam War how much of it was about heroin 3 days before 19 presidential election President Johnson contacted Senate majority lead leader uh Everett M durksen to inform him the White House had received hard evidence from the Federal Bureau of Investigation the campaign of Republican presidential candidate Richard M dick Nixon was interfering with Johnson's effort to start peace talks to end the Vietnam War in this call Johnson referred to contacts between Nixon's campaign and South Vietnamese president when uh van I don't know how to say his name urged that they thwart any such negotiations yeah yeah and that did happen and also they definitely uh a bush uh you know the senior Bush uh George Bush Senior he met in uh with the leaders of the Iranian uh well I don't know what you call that party whatever in uh before the election The Carter but the the fight between Carter and Reagan uh and insisted they they needed to not be letting those hostages go right and so I met uh Carter in Austin or rather in uh Atlanta I don't know a couple three years ago right it's very exciting for me because I've I've always been a big big fan of Carter I think he's the best president in my lifetime and I talked to Carter and he was like and I so said I'm sitting there I'm thinking to myself is there a better time to ask when am I going to have
another time right and so that was known as the October surprise right right that that bush met with those guys anyway I just said I'm going to ask him I said well I just wonder is there any truth to the October surprise and he kind of he looks at me like he hadn't heard this question lately right and he looks me and he goes well I I never talk about this publicly but uh we did still have people in the in the white house after we left who who were there during the Reagan Administration and uh they confirmed it was true yeah of course it was true it was too obvious the hostages get released right after Reagan gets elected yeah they they released him on the day he took office yeah yeah ridiculous it's kind of disgusting very disgusting yeah but I mean I don't want to be one to talk ill of American government far beard it for me yeah we don't need to hey man your movie's [ __ ] great I loved it oh you saw it I saw it Wednesday night yeah it was great really really great nailbiter yeah in the edge of your seat movie it's not a single cut the [ __ ] moment in that movie you know there's movies that there's a there's where you have to suspend disb belief and it takes you out of it there's none of that in that movie it's really good it's really good very suspenseful very fulfilling the end of it you feel super entertained yeah oh thank you thank you so much yeah it's I I love it I it's so exciting that film I I it's like an action movie I mean it really is like as nailbiter as any action movie I've seen I love it and Alex Parkinson he also he was the director he also directed The cuz it was a documentary Last Breath oh wow because people may not know this was a real incident that happened yeah in the North Sea anyway uh yeah simu and uh Finn Cole you know loved those guys loved working with them that was a great experience it's a great movie it's very good it's very fun like it's exciting and I hardly ever go to the movies anymore but uh your people made me go see it in the movie theater oh yeah yeah so I had to actually go to a theater and see it it was great though well thanks for doing that man my pleasure I know you're a busy man you got a lot going on yeah but I was excited to talk to you
man I'm a big fan I've been God damn I've been watching you since cheers oh thanks dud a long time well I'm a fan of yours too I I really am I I'm so I love the things you've done that just flipped everything on its head you know the people you've interviewed that you got you know people gen genuinely up in arms you know like you're you're not afraid you're you're a Fearless Warrior and I just I appreciate what you do like get allowing voice to people other people would be like you're wrong just to interview that person yeah you get a lot of that for sure but that's ridiculous that's ridiculous ridiculous this that's ridiculous thinking I don't even understand that I really don't I don't understand how we got to a place where you're wrong to have a conversation with someone even if you disagree with them this idea of platforming people well how the [ __ ] do you know what they really think based on what the mainstream media that lies to you constantly that's supported by all sorts of special interest groups that have no need to tell the American public the truth they have a very specific narrative that they want pushed they want no deviation from that at all the [ __ ] out of here the [ __ ] out of here it's crazy I me if you have a large audience I think you have at least a certain amount of responsibility to talk to some people that you think might be telling the truth yeah I liked your interview with Robert Malone yes that was a crucial interview at a crucial time well it was the most push back I'd ever experienced ever in my life and I was like this is crazy when you it was really sad to see people like Joanie Mitchell and young and like you got I wanted to sit down and talk to them and like show them some studies and give them Robert Kennedy's Book and say like you don't really know what you're talking about well that's the thing that makes me sad is a lot of this information they receiving is like from mainstream media which certainly has its own objectives and its own uh you know things that it won't discuss yes you know yeah at all and and uh uh yeah and I I just felt like after that happened you know I almost I was going to try to get in touch with you just to tip my hat to you but it just felt like
why don't people just listen to the interview because I feel like everyone who was giving it a hard time hadn't even heard the interview of course yeah they had heard the mainstream media saying that it was dangerous misinformation by the way everything he said has turned out to be true every single thing he said had turned out to be true everything that everybody said about whether it was a lab leak whether the vaccine had side effects whether it was pushed whether they lied about the the studies and and distorted the information everything was true all of it including Yale just released some study about people producing Spike protein 700 plus days after the injections which is never thought to be the case when they gave them to these people in the first place a host of different serious problems that people are having because these that everyone's covering up and people are lying about and everyone's trying to obate and doctors are trying to sweep things under the rug because they don't want to be in trouble for mandating these things and telling people to get these things it's horrible well I mean I agree with you and uh yeah if we go back to the allowing you know I just feel like to mandate was they just that's that to me is fascistic behavior yes if you mandate that I have to take this thing that if you take it you're protected well if I take it wasn't that my you know that should be My Prerogative I either want to be protected or don't want to be protected or maybe I am like I am which is the last two entities on Earth I would trust with my health would be big farm and big government like those the last two I would look to you know how much big farm has done to just just push it through that they know is bad for you that they know harms you and in this case they know what's happened yeah they know and and all we're left with after the what was it 86 that they uh mandated that you couldn't suo the vaccine company and so since then we've only been left with vars right the yeah yeah the government vs the government website and there we have millions of people who fought through the red tape and then the bureaucratic whatever just to just to
Anon anonymously be known that they were injured yeah it was weird watching so many people that I thought were intelligent stand up for the government and for the the pharmaceutical industry and but it's not weird if you think of how I mean it was ubiquitous it it never stopped the the mainstream press was just harping on it constantly yeah constantly yeah but it's just weird that so many people went along with it without question I mean and especially the weirdest part was it was the people on the left that was so confusing to me cuz all my life people on the left were very very hesitant to believe anything that big Pharma said and always distrusting in any major institution that was profiting off of something and all the it was all very clear you could see where the motivation was with everything you could see the amount of profit that was going to be generated and still everybody was just so scared it just exposed a lot of cowards a lot of fools a lot of cowards and and a lot of people that are just at the moment of any form of adversity are willing to just bow down and and do what the system tells them to it's very strange well yes I mean to say cowards it's it's it's interesting because um because of the nature of it being so mandated you know you had I had many people I know got vaccinated because they wanted to be able to fly they wanted to be able to work yeah so when it's mandated that you can't work you know I how many drivers every single driver had to be vaccin in in in in uh uh Atlanta you every person on the crew had to be vaccinated and you if it was you you had the first vaccination but when you got the uh what do you call the next the boosters the booster it had to be within 6 months if it's 6 months in a day you won't work that day you know it was very mented everybody in every crew including people that had already been sick it didn't even make sense not only that if you talk to virologists they say you never vaccinate during a pandemic because it encourages variance you know I posted that on Twitter the study on Twitter and so many people were attacking me I'm like hey I didn't write the study this is a study that shows
that when you vaccinate with a non-sterilizing vaccine during a pandemic it encourage encourages variance and that's what happened and they were blaming what do you mean non-sterilizing vaccine so it doesn't a vaccine that doesn't actually prevent you from Catching the disease or spreading the disease oh right and that's what Co is that's what the initially it was supposed to stop you it was 100% going to stop the and then the of course that got had to be modified it came to now it will lessen your symptoms a completely unprovable yeah well there was never any studies ever in the beginning that ever show that it stopped transmission none right zero all it did is it showed that it it had an immune response so you read Bobby's book oh yeah yeah and even the guy uh interestingly you know uh Carrie mulles I believe his name the guy who created the PCR test or well there was some discrepancy whether other people but anyway it doesn't matter but the guy credited he said this vaccine this this uh test cannot prove uh infection doesn't it doesn't prove causation so in other words you may you're you're having a response that says that you have a viral load but you don't know what the cause of that is you don't know what generated that it it can't prove what the illness is or what what the problem is that causes that depending upon the amount of cycles that you run the PCR I mean you could detect like the the most minute amount that is not indicative the indicative of the person being infected right and that person will have a false positive and they there false positives were all through the [ __ ] roof yeah yeah yeah the whole thing made no sense and it was just designed to push a vaccine that they profited off of massively and I hope we learn I hope we learn I hope next time things roll around people are a lot more hesitant to just jump in and and believe this [ __ ] well already they were coming up with additional vaccines for this or that or another booster and people were like yeah no so I think people have already started to question the validity of things you know well I think this pandemic and the response and the mandates and all that [ __ ] it it it ruined people's faith
in first of all the mainstream media I think the mainstream media took the biggest hit out of anybody like the the the trust in the television shows and the newspapers that are supposed to be delivering the truth is at an alltime low well I hope you're right oh it's I think I think I'm right I think it's pretty obvious I mean the ratings are down on every [ __ ] show there is um newspapers can't no one wants to buy them since the yeah yeah yeah okay I didn't know that oh yeah the CNN is [ __ ] no one's watching it anymore MSNBC is is a ghost town they're no one's watching these shows because they're all just lying they're lying they're still lying they're lying constantly and now you know now they're lying about the department of government efficiency when before they were lying about van pandemics and vaccines it's just it's not really the news you know if it was the news they wouldn't be paid for by the pharmaceutical drug companies you can't have the [ __ ] news sponsored by the people that you're supposed to be reporting on and then you never report on them that's just crazy yeah yeah well also that that whole uh trusted news initiative yeah you familiar with that yeah yeah I guess you would be you talk to Bobby and everybody yeah uh but yeah the trusted news initiative is just like okay we won't we won't like when you I'd send a YouTube video that I just got to someone else and by the time it gets to them they're like it won't let me watch it yeah right yeah why why you know misinformation but isn't misinformation also information yeah you know it's like how can you term it misinformation and what what you know what are your uh you know criteria that allow you to call that misinformation yeah well I'm hoping people have learned but it was a weird time an educational time though it was a good good experience for some people to just to learn that like hey like there's sources that you cannot trust and I think now the the beautiful thing about someone like Elon buying Twitter and turning it into X and having Community notes is now you have a way of factchecking things where people use the community notes and they start posting studies in the community notes and
saying No this story is not true here's why it's not true here's why it's provably not true you know so this is the best way to handle misinformation it's not leave it up to government sensors yeah you know and that that was where everybody was going in in 2020 it was just [ __ ] crazy those weren't government censors those were the those were the mainstream media censoring themselves well yeah yeah but I mean at the at the behest of government but also at the behest of big farmer you know yeah when we found out that the the government was actively contacting social media companies and having them remove things that were true oh because there was Mal information they could you know the that term I haven't heard that before there's misinformation disinformation and Mal information Mal information is true but could have a detrimental effect on society true information that can have a detrimental effect on society is Mal information that also should be it's orell it's right out of right out of 1984 it's crazy I feel so orellan just the the the time we've gone through and the time we're in it feels extremely orwan it's very weird it's a weird time but I'm optimistic I I want to be optimistic I think cynicism is the worst disease of old age you know once you're cynical you are [ __ ] man like it just affects every part of your being you know but you st very positive right yeah I mean you're just you seem like nothing can stop you I try to stay positive yeah I mean I I'm affected like everybody else is you know I was down during the pandemic it bothered the [ __ ] out of me but I you know we came through it on the other end and I think people have more resolved now I think generally the general public has at least a good percentage of the general public has a healthy distrust now for [ __ ] certainly your listeners yeah yeah now uh but after that Robert Malone thing happened I was really curious I was wanting to contact you and I didn't but uh but I I was just curious how cuz man I never seen anyone take more body blows but I got to say it was cool they would like stood behind you uh is it Spotify yeah Spotify like well fortunately they're not American it's not American company you know oh yeah
they're where are they from Sweden ah okay yeah so they're like eh we're not buying it also it was the show was big enough where they were like why would we pull this thing off the air let's hang in there and see what happens and it just kept getting bigger and so they were realizing that the people were basically on the side of free distribution of information and they they didn't buy it but there was two it was two guys Peter McCulla and Robert Malone those are the ones and then there was like some [ __ ] oh yeah Peter Mulla boy he took a lot of hits big time most published doctor in human history in his particular field of study I mean he's a well-respected rock solid credential and it was one of his videos I tried to send right after I got it I tried to send to people no yeah they were so quick I've never seen such quick censorship or editing you know almost impressive you know it was creepy what was it like in Hollywood having your perspective your Healthy distrust of what was going on where sort everybody was sort of in lock step with whatever the government propaganda was yeah for sure well you know I mean I don't know how many sets you visited but everybody was like you know in mass and yeah and then there'd be different zones yeah and you know you get the closer you get to the actual set where the shoot shooting is and then that Red Zone people put your m ask and I just like I never bought it and I you know I never bought it from the beginning I'm just like I don't I just this doesn't feel right all right I'm supposed to wear a mask but I haven't been now at this point this right now I haven't been sick in eight years right well back then was whatever six years but but it was just like I knew well no I'm doing the math wrong but you know what I mean but it had been a long time since I'd been sick and I'm like I don't feel like I need to wear a mask so I I would just not wear a mask you know but everybody else on the set's wearing a mask which which is very discomforting because you know you you can't even relate to people so well without seeing their face you know it's very weird it was very weird very strange time yeah the strangest and it didn't make any there was also this
narrative that if you weren't vaccinated the VAC the the virus was going to hunt you down they keep saying that the VAC the virus will find you if you're not vaccinated the virus will hunt you down you're like what is what the [ __ ] are you talking about it's so funny I he said like I I did a video oh I wish I had it with me but well maybe uh IL is out there my assistant maybe she could pull it up for you is it online I did no but I did a it's 11 seconds yeah she's listening hopefully she'll look at it but it's like uh it's it's um I take a um I take inhale and hit a pot right and then I put on my maskk and blow it right to the m and I exhale and it now it just comes out every right and and every exhale and and by the way hundreds of times heavier than like a virus right right so viruses don't just you know what the con people have for people saying you know trust in science very unscientific Concepts yeah and fouchy anyway in the beginning no we don't need to make wear a mask and then someone said no you do got oh we do we should wear a mask and yeah so so silly that mask man that it the just something about it felt like you know it was just like big brother one big brother one they want to battle but I think ultimately that's GNA that's what's going to cost them the War I think the lesson learn from think Bobby's going to be able to think he'll be able to accomplish anything this episode is brought to you by rocket money let's talk about subscriptions it seems like there's so much you can subscribe to these days you got the obvious ones like streaming services and shopping but you also got your coffee subscription meal kit subscription the beers from around the world subscription if if you can think of it there's probably a subscription for it but let's face it you sign up for something forget about it after the trial period ends and then you're charged month after month after month the subscriptions are there but you're not using them in fact I just learned that 85% of people have at least one paid subscription going unused each month that's why you got to love rocket money it's a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions monitors your spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings see all your subscriptions
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needles do you know of any other ones I mean I it's a sexually transmitted disease and it's often trans yeah it's transmitted through intravenous uh drug use okay then I didn't know I mean yeah what you how do you think you got I mean I just assumed you get run down like most sick you get run down you get sick well let's Google it what is uh the cause of hepatitis B Jamie infected blood or body fluids yeah it's it's that's how you get it you don't get it as a [ __ ] baby so injecting babies with it the only reason why they did that is to sell more Hepatitis B vaccines yeah yeah if the mother has it unprotected sex with an infected person mother to child during child birth breastfeeding if the mother's infected yeah uhhuh so dude you got a lot of avenues you could be yeah I guess dirty needles same I guess that falls under dirty needles yeah but anyway I just wonder that uh you know it just again the profiteering like why are we not talking about profiteering should be on everyone's lips exactly that's what it's all about that's the allthough the woses and ills of our society it's people people emphasizing profit over Humanity that's really what it is yeah that's really what it is yeah I agree yeah and it's also it's like it's this [ __ ] disgustingly shortsighted approach because you don't live that long to live your life just profiteering off of the expense of other people suffering is so crazy when you got 80 years if you're lucky you got 80 Summers 80 Summers 80 spins around the Sun and and you're going to you're going to [ __ ] sell people out for some money that you're never going to have enough of anyway all those [ __ ] they all want more they never it never ends they all want a bigger yacht they all wanted this they all wanted that there was always something it never ends and somehow or another we let them get away with it because we're profiting as well I was wondering about like billionaires you got to figure there's a certain hierarchy of billionaires right and so even if you're a billionaire and you're thinking well that guy's he's good he's made it right nope well no I want to be the richest guy yeah I mean I don't know I guess it never does end in a way well if that's what your game is right so if
your game is Just numbers you're never going to be satisfied you know if your game is Just numbers you're always going to look at the other people like my friend Brian has a friend that has uh $3 billion and he says he hangs out with his billionaire friends and he feels poor because they have $30 billion like you know crazy imagine having $3 billion and feeling poor but I can kind of understand the thought it it's stupid the poor white trash part the group only three bills poor bastard how's he even buy a country how to even affect elections with $3 billion that's nothing yeah it's weird local election well I mean this is a just a a symptom of uh the moral decay of our society that you know we don't we don't have a a moral and ethical framework we don't have a moral and ethical structure that we operate under and too many people are just motivated by my money instead of humanity instead of looking of people is like a community we're all a community of people and you can still profit and you can still make money but like making more money at the expense of people's lives and suffering should be the most abor thing that we could possibly imagine especially if you're already wealthy that should be absolutely disgusting to us and that it's condoned and just like accepted and you know you shrug your shoulders H that's what people do well I think I think the majority of people agree with you 100% on that and the majority people have a very Humane and compassionate view of others you know yeah but there are those people who are just you know it's like you say it's a numbers game yeah and and unfortunately War makes people really rich yeah gets a lot it's I mean I guess I don't know big farmer would be the number one industry but not far behind it's got to be uh the weapons industry and and it's just like why are these if you even get away from why are these wars happening or are they Justified why are they making that much profit off of these wars yeah you know strange yeah that bothers me I I get Sleepless over that it should especially because the United States has just stunned you know I I you know One World War II okay I give you that one you know but I certainly don't give you the Korean War over the potential domino theory which was absurd the same theory
that so four million four million people die in Korea uh three and a half million in Vietnam La Cambodia they started carpet bombing in La you know that which is everything in a two mile radius presumed dead yeah you know what we've done throughout Central South America all over the world we've become masters of War but like toward what end to help those rich people get richer yeah it's it's like I would understand if it's a justifiable you know you have to stop Hitler molini I get it yeah but you know come on it's crazy that it all really boils down to that it really boils down to a lot of his people profiting you know I I always have said that if War weren't so lucrative there'd be a lot less of it yeah you know no doubt sometimes just the war itself is that's a money maker yeah but it's like how do you [ __ ] do that what do you got there fella I brought this for you man what is it it's a it's a very nice Northern California oh you know I have a dispensary in in La yeah called the woods it's phenomenal it's the most beautiful dispens in the world C you can have us I I remember when it was completely totally illegal and then uh you had to have a medical card and right and you just say you had a headache that's all you have to say you got back pain you got a headache you can get a subscription or prescription rather and then it became legal but just in 2016 no it's de criminal legal in Texas it should be well it should be Fally they could be this could be such a this state so great anyway we we could we could change everything if Texas was legal well the whole country should be legal yeah the the idea that America the land of the free criminalizes the use of a plant that's never killed anybody is [ __ ] crazy it's legislating morality and it's an odd morality anyway because most people believe you should be able to smoke if you want not only that it's a morality that's based off [ __ ] about profiteering from the 1930s so it's propaganda from the 19 that's still working today 90 years later which is really crazy yeah that's the craziest part of it and that the really the only reason why I picked up steam is because they needed to put people to work after they had stopped Banning alcohol so prohibition ended everybody's like what
do we do now let's [ __ ] go after marijuana and then you get Harry anslinger will if Randolph Hurst they're all profiting from it and they all [ __ ] make the marijuana movies like re for madness and everyone's going to go crazy and to this day there's a lot of people who believe that they think it makes you lazy it makes you stupid and it really is uh although I I would say my stupid quoti I'm dipped down to a new Lo no but I I agree with you I think that uh yeah like anslinger nobody knows about that how this guy went all over the place and got governments all over the world to make you know declare this the enemy drug and uh and but but but you know like I really just believe you know there's such a thing as a consensual crime which is victimless crimes so if I'm smoking a joint well it a lot of it's like the vaccine if I'm smoking a joint how does that hurt you right well it hurts what am I doing to hurt you if you drive and fall asleep at the wheel and one thing of but there's already laws for that okay we got that's another okay outside of the driving world I don't see how I'm hurting you outside the driving world that's really the end of it and and if I'm not getting my job done then fire me okay so there's it it just there's no and by the way most people do agree with this but when you have like over 70% of the people in jail are there for victimless crimes yes mostly drug rated crimes well then we go back to another thing profiteering because we have private prisons which is crazy where you're essentially taking human beings and you're using them as batteries to generate money that's really what you're doing like the more people you get in there the more profit you're pulling out of it which is just crazy so then you have prison guard unions that are lobbying to keep laws on the books victimless crimes on the books like like marijuana yeah ridiculous I imagine there's a lot of you pushing the but you know I didn't know till I saw the 13th is that what it was called that movie 13th Amendment it was about the 13th Amendment I didn't know about the what's it called there there's a movie I think it's called the 13th if I'm not wrong yeah is that right yeah he's anyway it it oh there it is yeah
that's the first time I really thought about in spite of being around prisons you know much of my life I I'd never thought about the fact that they there that that's just uh they're they're making them work it's just slave slave labor exactly just yeah making the work I had never thought about it until slave labor for insanely small amount of money and they keep them locked up and they produce things yeah yeah yeah well you watch that you believe it for sure did you see that no I didn't see it I'm aware of the laws though I mean aware of that's that's a lot of where the Jim Crow laws came from when they when they abolished slavery what they did was just arrest people for basically anything and put them to work I mean that was that was the motus operandi yeah which is I guess that's when all that the 13th started was back then as a part of the gy it all goes to the same thing profit and ironically a lot of this lack of compassion could be solved with psychedelics a lot of it a lot of it where people expand their Consciousness understand that what they're doing is morally reprehensible and even though you can sort of justify because it's legal it's disgusting and we should change those laws those laws don't make any sense because it's written on paper doesn't mean it's just doesn't mean it makes sense for logical rational people I agree it'd be nice to get some acid in the punch bowl at some kind of con Congressional you know well consensually would I think consensual I mean you're not going to get all those guys you needed to agree to it so I'm just saying throw a little in the punch ball they're all going by the punch ball do you ever uh do you know who Graham Hancock is he's um an expert on uh ancient history um like a kind of a renegade uh historian he's got a sort of alternative version of um uh ancient Society ancient civilizations but point is like he's what's he has a podcast he's got a two uh seasons of a series called ancient apocalypse on Netflix it's really amazing it's all his basically his his field of study is the evidence that human beings in human civilization has gone through a reset and that somewhere around 12,000 years ago and this is all supported by uh this this Theory called the younger D impact
Theory where they found evidence that the Earth was bombarded by comets at uh more than two different times in history that probably reset civilization and that this is probably why you see like like ancient structures that people can't explain and that you know these Stone buildings that have incredibly complex geometry and precision building from thousands and thousand thousand of years ago Chicago like they had all those buildings that's a little different talking about that yeah no that's a little different I'm talking about like ancient Egypt you're talking I'm talking about turkey you know I'm talking about like gockley Tey and these ancient structures they found that are absolutely 11,000 plus years old where people are supposed to be just Hunter and gatherers and that we had thought up until you know last 40 or 50 years that Society emerged around 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia what he believes is that that is a reemergence of society and that Society had already reached a very high level of sophistication around 12,000 years ago and that something happened some sort of gigantic cataclysm and reset things but Graham is also an Enthusiast of iasa and the power of psychedelic medicine and he has often said that to run governments it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions and right you should probably do it publicly public really find out you know I mean imagine getting Lindsey Graham [ __ ] up on mushrooms I would love to see it be amazing it I would give to see that oh it would be amazing but it would be nice if they had a little more because it's almost those drugs that you're talking about are just like it's like the universal God's Little Helper yeah help you see how the world really works how God little hel the elusory nature what it is we're experiencing yeah and to come from the heart yes yeah yeah they they encourage compassion they encourage kindness and love and that's uh we need a lot more of that in this world and that's the problem with being so politically and ideologically divided is like we it's so we're it's so easy because we're people are so tribal it's so easy to hate the other tribe the other people of the enemy you know and
so we've got this bizarre thing where we're supposed to be a community but we're a two-sided community and one side hates the other side and whoever is in power those those that those people are the problem it's like yeah that is such a weird part of the human uh you know I don't know yeah nature whatever you want to call it psychology it's like and I noticed just the other day there was some dude like I was I can't remember what the context was but I remember he kind of came into my zone and I thought look at this [ __ ] guy man he's got such an [ __ ] you know I could just tell you could just feel it you know and then and then I thought Woody why are you what what you've got nothing that tells you that that's true you know right other than maybe you're jealous cuz he's more handsome than you are something no but then anyway and so I go uh how you doing and he smiles and I'm like this guy is incredible you know like you just all you need to do sometimes is just generate a smile on that other person who you think's an asshole's face and suddenly they're they're a kid you know it's suddenly you're in a different you're you're using your kid juice to interact you know well that's like the important of the importance of Charisma right because a person isn't exactly who they are they're who they are when they interact with you and however you interact with them will affect the way they interact with you it's not it's a two-way street most sort of interactions if they see a frown on your face and inevitably there's a frown on their face inevitably yeah yeah yeah that's but but smiles generate smiles and if you think about it that is the um easiest energy generating thing is to is another person smileing sure and getting you to smile and Common Ground you know and I think we have that's the problem with the media and with uh political ideologies is that there's no currency in common ground the currency is all in division that's where you can gain the most momentum get the most people on your side you have to say the other people are the enemy common ground is much more common most people agree most people want to be safe they want to be healthy they want to be happy they want to have friends they want to have a good time they want to have a nice family they
want to be loved they want to have love that's most people and they think that the other people are trying to prevent that instead of just accentuating those important factors and saying we should all concentrate on that and then we should all look at things that prevent that what are the things that prevent happiness and love and health and let's let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society yeah the problem is you don't make a lot of profit doing that you know the profit is in the division the media does push the Divide for sure the media is [ __ ] they're first of all they're dying they're dying like AM radio they're not going to make it they're not going to make it the the internet is more compelling and independent journalism is more accurate and it's going to be more and you sure that's not a subjective Vantage Point Joe uh it's certainly subjective yeah it's certainly subjective all your manage points are subjective yes everything's subjective it's definitely subjective but I listen I think there are very good people that work in journalism I think there are very good people that work at the New York Times And The Washington Post and even in CNN I know them I know people that work at CNN and I like them I know people that work at the New York Times and I like like them very much the problem is the institution and the institution is based on profit and where where do you get your money well you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies from um NOS there's funding from all these different political groups and it's that's the problem the problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant and in doing so what's crazy is if you're in the information business well you can't be accurate you cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a [ __ ] narrative because those are the people that are supporting you so therefore they're not going to make it like it's like you see the writing on the wall it's like this is not tenable you're not going to be able to continue this you're going to either have to adjust course or you're going to be swallowed and that's what you people
that like people realize that now with the internet when you got people like Matt taiii and Michael shellenberger and Glenn Greenwall respected journalists who are now on the outside and so now they've they've amassed this huge following on the outside because you know if you go to Glen Greenwald he's going to tell you what's actually going on why are we invading this why are we bombing this country what is going on and he'll tell you it all goes back to 2013 when this was passed and this is what happened and they tried to do this and this is what we're trying to do because there's oil here or there's minerals there and like oh [ __ ] and so but most people don't have the time to do that kind of a deep dive so you turn on CNN and CNN's safe and effective have you gotten your nice booster get your nice booster the [ __ ] anchors are blacking out on TV and it's like wow like it's they're in a trap they're in a trap first of all they're in a trap because of the actual format of the show sucks right format of television show suck you have three Talking Heads yelling each they five minutes before commercial everyone's trying to get a sound bite that goes viral and then you cut to a commercial by anti-depressants and then you come then you come back you come back and there's a flood and there's [ __ ] Detroit's Frozen you see that [ __ ] in Detroit well they they had a flood and then it froze and so you got cars like up to the [ __ ] windshield frozen solid in the streets and car alarms going off I haven't seen that yeah it happened yesterday there was some sort of a water main line broke uh probably because the cold and then the streets flooded and then the streets when they flooded then they froze and so all these cars like literally up to the windshield stuck see if you can find it it's crazy to look at like look at this entire streets filled oh my God and if you watch a video of it all the car alarms are going off so the car alarms are going off and all the cars are frozen give me well you can hear it if you put your microphone yeah put put your uh Headphones Up that is wild man so everybody's [ __ ] car alarms going off cuz the car is getting crunched so the cars are getting
Disturbed so they're getting crunched so the cars think that people are breaking into themus 70 as if Detroit doesn't have enough [ __ ] problems oh my God poor Detroit yeah crazy yeah but Detroit's been doing so well lately just it's really I I went there not long it was phenomenal wow what a fun place like artist kind of took it over and it just became it's it's pretty groovy artists and Artisans and companies that are like proud like Shinola that company yeah that's my buddy Tom cotas oh great do you know him no I don't but I he's one of the great humans on this planet yeah he started chinola he's incred chinola is a great company it's a great company I have one of their laptop incredible guy they make awesome stuff they make great watches great stuff but made in Detroit like proudly yeah and they got the the uh the record player that he did with uh you know Mike White uh Mike uh Mike you know the Mike uh White no Jack White Jack White oh I knew that wasn't right I couldn't Mike White makes White Lotus yeah no Jack White yeah and they also do uh vinyl they make all these VL those guys do cool stuff man yeah well I last time I was in Detroit I did the Fox Theater and I saw a lot of that too a lot of like small shops and cool places and you know because real estate's cheap so people are like moving in and artists are doing things and it's fun it's like a little bit of a r Revival after they got [ __ ] by the Auto industry well yeah for sure more profiteering right sent all the [ __ ] jobs to other countries because you can get people to work for slave labor yeah and and now they're dealing with this uh with this incredible ice flood yeah I think that's a a small isolated area but still pretty [ __ ] yeah well go fig are you still in La where you dud I'm in Austin right here with you you are where do you live though where do you spend most of your time no I I live in Austin oh do you I live in Austin I didn't know you lived here yeah I live in the drip oh nice Dripping Springs is great I love it out there that's a nice place that's a nice area no I've been I'm determined you and I going to have to hang out sometime socially I would love to do that let's do it yeah yeah [ __ ] yeah okay well you
don't feel just like your back against the wall man come on I'll hang out with you anytime great call me at 2: oock in the morning we go meet you somewhere I don't give a [ __ ] perfect I'll bring you down to my comedy club oh yeah yeah I bought a comedy club on six Street what's it called comedy Mothership yeah I'd like to do that it's fun it's a great place my buddy Jimmy door is there this weekend who's also great and he's uh filming his comedy special there this weekend yeah Jimmy door is amazing he is another guy that's risen as an independent journalist he's a comedian and he started his show uh basically just making fun of political things and then during the pandemic got vaccine injured and really got kind of redpilled and kind of became like the The Voice of Truth and reason and you know another guy who's been completely Outcast by supposedly Progressive people for just telling the truth the Inconvenient Truth inconvenient yeah but yeah I guess the progressives are they now the conservatives what we got to change the term cuz progressives seem a lot less Progressive yeah and I really felt quite you know they Co thing I felt quite yeah Co I think they got co-opted and I think it was on purpose I think there was there was some very sophisticated Psy psychological manipulation that was involved and a lot of money was being spent in order to push some very specific narratives and uh they did a great job of it you know they get did a great job of it but we were finding out because of the Department of government efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars which is really [ __ ] crazy a lot of these NOS that supported a lot of these crazy riots and all these different things that were happening in our cities was really supported by our own tax dollars and it's it's just it was just a subversion of public discourse you know instead of allowing people to figure out what's right what's wrong they pushed what they wanted you to say and anybody who deviated from that was cancelled and because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter the left had complete total control over the narrative because they owned all the social media sites and they were in lock step with the government so it was just a a dark time
for information but a few brave people you know braved the storm and one of them was Jimmy oh that's good that's a good uh he's great you would love him shout out to him he's great well you know I remember when the the guy was H remember that guy I think they were in London maybe but it was the guy who was uh I think the U directed one portion of fizer and he met with some guy and he had a body Cam that the other guy had a body cam it was like a date on tender something oh it was like one of those project ver Jes o'keef things did you not see it I'm sure I did but this is the perfect example of how the The Trusted news initiative managed to a lot of news just never got to people because the guy had a body Cam and it's talking to him and and the guy who works for fizer saying they just had a meeting talking about how they could weaponize these other viruses in order to basic create another pandemic to create so that they would have the V vaccine to address it and make more money which is not a surprising thing that they would be discussing but what was great was he admitted it to the guy while they're sitting there at a little diner it's always chatty gay guys but no but the main thing huh it's always chatty gay guys it's always a guy on a date with another guy and he's like I'll tell you what we're doing it's like they just chat it up and the incredible like he got the stuff that he said was incredible was more incredible oh he told the guy basically that he'd been filming them the guy freaks out anyway this should have been across every possible platform of media of course and yet you did not see it zero in mainstream media but because musk had bought Twitter musk put it on and it immediately got 40 million views and also uh what's his name Tucker car son put it on and then there was a lot of views that way but other than that but if you have ask your average person they never heard of this incident yeah it's like an amazing thing talking about uh what's the term for that the weaponization of a virus uh do you know he's looking at up term for the weaponization of a virus yeah I don't know uh anyway uh they they do it well that's what they think uh the that they were doing in U China 100% they were weaponizing well
that was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up I mean it used to be if you brought that up on YouTube you get pulled from YouTube now it's a fact now it's a fact now it's yeah undeniable fact all the things like you said about Robert Malone all the things that he said are now fact everything every single one of them the fact that it doesn't stay the injection doesn't stay locally that it in ffects various parts of your body in different ways if it gets to your heart it's very dangerous CU your heart doesn't have the ability to heal which is why you don't get heart cancer so your heart just scars over and you get myocarditis he he started talking about all these different effects and and he personally was vaccine injured so he was a guy who took it almost had a [ __ ] heart attack was like what is going on his his whole body freaked out was deadly sick managed to get through it then started speaking out against it then started doing more research and finding out what was going on and then that was the collective freak out well he uh it's it's in you know it's incredible that so many people were injured and yet it's still kind of not a widely discuss thing I think people are discussing it more people are discussing it now but it's still it's still there's a lot of people that don't want to bring it up because they don't want the heat they saw what happened to people that did bring it up and they don't want that coming their way it's still fresh in their memory and they they keep their mouth shut yeah but over time did you find out what it was called weapon biological warfare I don't know no no it's is a term is a term for huh the term I don't know what the term is anyway doesn't matter yeah it just uh I don't know it's a crazy time in this world yeah but crazy times are fun too cuz people snap out of it they pop through it they come out on the other side and they go what the [ __ ] was going on and then you have a reexamining of society and I think that's happening right now and I think that's a good thing as long as people keep their cool and they don't go tribal you can't go tribal you can't go US
versus them they're the bad guys the [ __ ] all those people with blue hair those [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] no they're they're sad lost people that's what it is sad lost angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems that is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money and yeah yeah it always comes down hey yeah follow the money yeah follow that [ __ ] cheese every time it's always the money jees and it's never enough it's a it's a weird thing about us and again I think part of the problem is this lack of methods to escape L and I don't mean Escape reality I mean to escape the the The Fog the fog of propaganda and that's I mean that's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970 Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti-war effort in the Civil Rights Movement that's why they turned the schedule one one the sweeping schedule one uh prohibition Act of of all psychedelic drugs that's what that was about it wasn't about protecting Society if it was they would have got rid of oxycoton they would have got rid of they got got rid of addictive painkillers and vikin Percocets they they never got rid of any of that stuff they got rid of Big Mac for that matter see oh I know listen I know you're a meat guy you love meat but can we say Big Macs are not the greatest thing for you no they're not great they're not great for you but uh I feel like you should be able to eat a Big Mac if you want to I feel like you if you want to I wouldn't care if you shot up right now but that's what I'm saying don't get rid of Big Macs but don't eat them every day you [ __ ] idiot it's like I say about Doritos people like oh they got to did we should get Doritos off no Doritos as they are are a perfect snack they're delicious but they're [ __ ] terrible for you just like cigarettes just like whiskey they're terrible for you but in the moment they're great the key is recover and then don't do it every day that's the key the key to All Things is moderation all things dude I wish you to give me this speech like 20 you know I mean it's some precipice after 21 I just started I became immoderate you know in fact I didn't even smoke pot until I was 21 I didn't smoke drink oh really yeah
yeah well I thought it was going to turn you into a loser and I bought into all of it I I grew up with a lot of people that had drug problems and uh I wanted to succeed in life and I was my biggest fear was being a loser you know just someone who just never got their [ __ ] together and I was like well anything that gets in the way of being successful and being healthy and happy avoid that and now what it Point did you say to yourself I'm definitely not a loser there's no chance of me being a loser oh I don't know if you ever think I guess I think that now but I think you're or do you sometimes doubt it and say I'm I'm I'm I'm a loser well I definitely think I I I'm very hypercritical self-critical so i' you know I battle against that because I think that's something that anybody who strives to be successful battles against you always feel like you could do more you know but there's a balance being doing more and being happy enjoying yourself but also accomplishing things you want to do feeling fulfilled you know having worthwhile goals things that you think are uh valuable not just to you but valuable to other people yeah yeah and then do you feel like you've I mean you must feel pretty good about yeah but don't think about it honestly because I think if you think about it then you get lost then you get like look how good I am you know you get you can get really lost in success where you you you get Intoxicated by that too so I think you just got to kind of exist you got to kind of exist and uh not feed your insecurities but also don't feed any delusions of grandeur either you know just be a person just learn how to be a human being but that's got to be hard for you dude because I mean you're at the tippy top of the tippy top and everybody's got to be kissing your ass and telling you how great you are it's got to be hard to not allow your ego to dictate things you know yeah I don't know I stomp my ego pretty good I do it with workouts I do it with martial arts I do it with cold plunging and saunas I put myself through voluntary adversity it's pretty f [ __ ] brutal and that's my best way to achieve like a homeostasis that's my best way to achieve like a balance is that I put myself through way more than life ever gives me so that I'm always you know I get it you know you're always vulnerable
You're always weak you're always you're always late there's always something so as long as you confront that all the time all the time and keep your mind healthy and balanced and have a a healthy perspective you know there's a lot of like um new Agy sort of [ __ ] terms that unfortunately have been co-opted by silly people you know and but a lot of those like they're very important like gratitude gratitude is a really important quality that people should have you know um mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have but these things are co-opted by goofy people that wear wooden beads and want to want you to join their cult you know it's like they want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual you know and so unfortunately really good Concepts uh are often tainted by silly people you know like love and God and a a lot of the things that are really like beneficial to us as a society they get co-opted by goofy people like how many people have been turned off by religion by watching Mega Pastors in these huge churches flying around in private jets and driving in Rolls-Royce is like oh well this is all [ __ ] you know yeah you do you uh I had a couple of joke no do you think that do you think um I mean I'm I'm curious I I must know I must have heard you talk about this but what is your your kind concept of religious I mean do you do you have a specific religion that you adhere to not necessarily um I'm not in favor of any restrictive religions I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people that don't follow them and I'm I'm not in favor of any religions that that force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to or your a sinner cast out or I I think that most religious exper I I think most religion is based on human beings very unique experiences that are provided Enlightenment and they're trying to express that Enlightenment to other people and I think the problem with religious stories are that people are full of [ __ ] and a lot of those stories suck you know a lot of those stories are probably distorted by the hand of man but I think
you know I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were probably inspired by psychedelic experiences and you know there's a great book uh called The Sacred Mushroom in The Cross by John Marco algro do you know about that book i' I've heard of it but I never read it yeah it's a great book heard it's very hard to follow because it's very unless you understand Aramaic unless you understand the the trans ation of the Dead Sea Scrolls like people I'm throwing Aramaic oh congratulations are you really yeah I got arama I got obviously French uh I had to learn Spanish when I was working construction in Houston and then uh yeah I got uh can you hear him with that microphone should push that microphone up I got some of the click languages oh really no I I only speak only English come on J with the John Marco Lego book uh he he was an ordained minister but he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls and he did it over the course of I think I was about 14 years and he then he wrote this book because it was his belief and he was a very straight lay scholar he wasn't a psychedelic Enthusiast but he believed that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals and he thinks that a lot of these stories that their Origins come from that and yeah and he believed that a lot of it was the amonita muscaria mushroom which is a very confusing mushroom because a lot of people have a hard time tripping on it they don't know exactly then Terrence McKenna believed that um the problem was that it was it the the the Psychedelic compounds in it varied uh regionally and genetically and that it they weren't all the same and that a lot of these people that were having these uh experiences were not it it really depended upon where you get them from and how you got them and how you treated it and a lot of that information was lost and also like there's certain religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things like s you know s from the the ancient Hindu texts they they don't know what was in there they don't know what it was but it seems like it was some sort of a psychedelic compound whether it was Blue Lotus and cybin or a combination of many
things you know like the elican Mysteries where you know in in grease they believe that that was Urgot that Urgot was mixed in with the wi and Urgot which is a very similar uh experience to LSD oh yeah there's a great book on that too if You' never read it it's called um uh the immortality Key by a scholar named Brian Mur rescu who's a a brilliant guy who's been on the podcast a couple times but uh he's done uh a lot of like really legitimate work on proving that these vessels these uh wine containers that they had from these ancient time they found Trace elements of Urgot in these wine vessels and they know that wine back then was not just fermented grapes they would add a bunch of things to the wine and so party pleases yeah so these experiences that people would have they would go to elsis and I went there uh when I was in Greece a couple years ago and it's an amazing place man when you're there like it feels weird when you go to the place where they had these psychedelic rituals like the place has a bizarre memory that you feel when you're there like cuz you can literally walk on the grounds where they had these rituals and you're there and you're like whoa like this place feels wild it just like I I you know my parent my uh my my kids rather were like what's wrong like I'm like I'm fine I'm fine I'm fine I'm just like it's I'm weirded out by this place like I feel it I feel like a bizarre connection with this place like it feels alive like it's like it's humming or something it was very weird very weird like was touching the rocks and just trying to like feel like what's going on here it's like you got thousands of years ago these people were just tripping balls and inventing democracy right here at this very spot you know it's literally the roots of democracy they had to be tripping to think of something so bold as democracy yeah I mean lit it is literally what we were talking about like if you want something that accentuates compassion and this this sense of family and Brotherhood and Sisterhood that we're all together in this thing what better than psychedelic drugs yeah and that's why they're illegal exactly it gets in the way gets in the way of this Us Versus Them narrative that is so prevalent in our goofy Society that's
detached from these sacred compounds yeah the herb you know it really is a unifying thing I've always from the first time I tried it you know I just felt such Bond of me you know like such compassion to everybody around me yeah makes you Kinder huh it makes you Kinder makes you Kinder yeah that's why they call it kind bud kind bud that's probably why they call it that I have a little kind but yeah no I like the uh uh the image of it is just a unifier you know yeah and so that's what makes me wonder why does Texas not just say hey let's open the doors to this it's not a bad thing yeah you could have the best cafes in Austin I know yeah well it's weird because there's certain weed here that's legal what is it Delta 9 is that the legal stuff or Delta eight which one you're talking about it's weird it's weird because it's like pretty much just weed yeah I never got into that stuff though it's just a different version of the plant bet it doesn't get you high oh yeah it does really I oh yeah oh yeah yeah I get you some oh yeah many syllables you got out of yeah is know what they're doing I don't know how they're doing it but somehow or another they're skirting around the rules and developing something that is basically the same the Delta 9 Center yeah it's basically like uh weed's twin sister that has different genetics I don't know I don't understand it now I heard they're trying to work out a thing where they there's no more that those exceptions here oh well that would suck the legislature uh that's goofy I mean there's plenty of things to concentrate on why concentrate on that it just uh it's a dumb rule it's a dumb rule that's mostly mostly enforced by people who don't know what the experience is they have a distorted idea what the experience is and they think it's just going to make people losers well also it's being mandated from people with different kinds of uh you know desires and a lot of it Financial but uh you know anything that does you know I I consider a crime anything I do that hurts you or your property otherwise there's no crime yeah I agree yeah yeah yeah I agree and I think we got to get past that I think there's just a lot of people that recognize that what they did in the 1970s was very effective they threw water on the entire psychedelic
movement and the civil civil rights movement and the anti-war movement and they they did it by Banning a lot of these compounds that were changing the way people thought about life and you know like the whole peace love and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs all of it right and it was a revolutionary complete change of society from 1950 to 1960 I mean 10 years things became the music and culture became almost unrecognizable it could change so radically and I think it was terrifying to the powers that be and unfortunately the propaganda that they pushed just like the propaganda that we saw during the covid times and propaganda you have whenever there's a war that that propaganda is sticky that stuff sticks it sticks around for a long time and unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective it's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without personal experience right and most of these people that are like you know straight laced you know No Nonsense type folks they don't want to smoke weed I'm going to ruin my brain you know I've I've heard like legitimate scientists say I would never want to interfere with the way my brain works like okay do you drink coffee shut the [ __ ] up what are you talking about what are you talking about do you exercise what do you do what what do you do do you eat good food like there's a lot of things that that change the way your brain works this is a dumb way to look you really want your doctor looking healthy you don't want to walk in see some obese you know having trouble breathing type of guy yeah you know it's going to give you your advice well that was one of the most fascinating things about Co when I was talking to Dr Peter hotz who's an overweight guy who eats junk food and he's telling me everybody's got to get vaccinated I'm like are you healthy like are you healthy cuz you don't see do you work out like do you eat well do you take vitamins no no no no none of those things but you think that like chemicals that the only way that you're going to get healthy is from a laboratory and an injection that doesn't seem real that seems crazy well the whole notion is to
bolster your immune system's response to this specific item right but so if your immune system strong right you really have nothing to fear your immune system is weak you have also a lot to fear taking a vaccine that can with with this these this recent one it actually hurts the immune system it harms the immune system espe old people should get vaccinated should should old people get vaccinated I don't think so you know I mean the problem was also any sort I mean this is Dr Burks is now immed uh admitting this when she's being uh questioned is that they they stopped any uh early treatments that were weren't the vaccine and that they probably shouldn't have done that and that a lot of people could have been saved because of that and that's true and that's something that people need to that's one of the the best aspects of Bobby's book Bobby Kennedy's Book the real Anthony fouchy is like understand like what pressures were put on these organizations to stifle and completely stop the the uh prescription use of a bunch of different things hydroxy chlorine Ivermectin also like the studies that were done on vitamin D deficiencies and how that impacted immune systems and just sunlight exercise diet all those things play a critical factor in how well your immune system functions the idea that the only way your immune system functions at its peak is you got to stick a [ __ ] metal pin filled with a solution that gets plunged into your tissue that's the only way it's the only way Woody yeah you got to shove a [ __ ] needle in your arm like what but you make a great point because it's like you know why didn't we hear from America's doctor fouchy or who the other representatives from the medical industry maybe eat less uh you know sugar yeah maybe eat less fast food maybe exercise there was no other directive no take the vaccine that's the only directive they didn't want a fat shame so they never told anybody to lose weight which is one of the major comorbidities that affected people negatively yeah yeah Bill Mar was on to that really early yeah that's a good point it's weird weird times but again I have hope yeah me too man in spite of everything I have hope well because I believe in people generally you know
like you know like there's people who in California and New York they look at Texas as like you know this lost State you know what I mean greatest people in the world greatest kindest nicest people yeah but you may not want to talk about certain subjects you know what I mean yeah so yeah just avoid those subjects you get along and even the subjects that you you're supposed to avoid why why are we avoiding them well I agree I I'd like to talk about any subject I I like a little healthy you know yeah debate also I want to know why you think the way you think if you think totally different than me I want to sit down with you and I want to give you all the room in the world to say what you think I want to know how you came to those conclusions I want to know what your childhood was like I want to know like what what experiences have you had that led you to have these like concrete evaluations of the way Society is that are so different than mine that's a great compassionate Vantage Point that's what we really lacked yeah we need that I you need to sit down with people that you don't agree with and find out and often times they fall apart that's just the fascinating thing give them enough room you just keep talking to them they fall apart you know one of the weirdest conversations I had on this podcast was talking to Dr sanj Gupta from CNN they sent him over here to [ __ ] straighten me out and you know by the end of it it was it was very bizarre conversation by the end of it he was essentially agreeing with me I had heard that he didn't think you should necessarily vaccinate I thought he was a little more Progressive on that he's smart but he's also working for CNN and you know he's also a neurosurgeon so he's you know he's a bright guy he's just like captured by the system and that's that's part of the problem but there was a lot of things that didn't make any sense like one of the ones where he wanted me to get vaccinated after I'd recovered from Co like dude I had shouldn't that be the reason I'm already vaccinated basically yeah well I'd recovered from Co in 3 days it wasn't hard at all and that's when I got hit that's when everybody came after me was cuz I was a bad example cuz I was healthy and that was giving people bad information by telling them all the
things that I took to get better which is really weird and then they they focused on this one thing which was iveron I told I let a read a laundry list of stuff that I took IV vitamins NAD Ivermectin monoclonal antibodies I talked about all the different stuff that my doctor put me me on and I was better in 3 days and then what did CNN do they they turned my face yellow they they put a filter on the video to make me look sick and uh they started talking about me taking horse paste which is crazy they said I was taking a veterinary medicine yeah the ior meon yeah they suddenly calling it that in spite of it treating you know millions of humans effectively billions of prescriptions have been filled billions billions of times human beings have taken I they have the guy who invented it in the statue at the who I mean that's why because he invented ion he won the Nobel Prize that was an interesting thing how they made these other drugs you know negative what was a chloro hydroxychlor hydroxychlor itin which are have which some legitimate doctors found to be effective you know suddenly you can't bring it up and then you could didn't even get it yeah like suddenly they made it ungettable yeah well you couldn't get it from Walgreens they wouldn't prescribe it for you unless you had like some sort of a a malaria or something yeah you you'd have to have or some sort of a parasite that's why you know they said it was a dewormer because it was anti-parasitic but when I said it to Sanjay gupa I go but yes but it's also been shown to stop viral replication in vitro I said you know that right and you could see this this look on his face like oh [ __ ] because that's a fact like they've studied viral replication you you use ior mechin Petri dishes it stops viral replication it's a fact like that there's studies on this like also it's like one of the most safe drugs known to man it's like the safety profile is incredible and this idea that like Rolling Stones printing articles that people are having overdoses from ior mechon and people can't get into the emergency room because of gunshot wounds they even showed a photograph of a bunch of people outside of an emergency room
wearing winter coats in August cuz it was a photograph of people waiting in line to get a flu shot it was a [ __ ] photograph that [ __ ] Rolling Stone published like this is so wild to watch because it's not just propaganda it's really shitty propaganda because there's not much truthful they can say that would go against this stuff so they have to just say it's horse dewormer you're a fool you're taking horse Dormer but what they didn't understand is at the time they didn't understand the the media n the the media landscape they thought they were still huge but they didn't understand like an average video on my show was like 10 times bigger than their show it's just we weren't talking about it we weren't saying it so they still thought they were CNN they were going to crush this Rebellion against this one specific thing that you had to do which was get V vaccinated right just [ __ ] remember when George when when um Biden rather was uh on television he was talking about the hurricane was coming most important thing when the hurricane is coming is get vaccinated everything's harder if you're not vaccinated yeah well all that money they gave those guys they gave them a lot of money they got they had to do something little payback it's wild though it's going to affect their ability to make money in the future that's for sure especially CNN yeah they all take a hit honestly I won't miss these other uh organizations anymore I watch them every now and then they they lost my uh my confidence yeah yours and most people's yeah I think that's good you know I do I think that's just uh it's it's healthy that's the human mental immune system weeding out pathogens yeah right that's true the media you take in can certainly be a pathogen yeah man it is but again there's a lot of cool [ __ ] out there you know it's like you can concentrate on that or you can concentrate on how much cool music there is now how much great comedy there is now how many great movies there are now there's plenty things to concentrate on it's like there's just the problem is there's a lot of people their business is division yeah yeah yeah what's
that uh song politics and religion causing more division but it's really yeah government and media caus more division Mone it's really money if there was no money in politics and there was no money in pharmaceutical drugs and there's no money in war we we'd live in a much better place oh your lips to God's ears on that yeah it's just we have to move closer to that somehow or another and whether Bobby Kennedy can help us along those lines and all these other people that are trying very hard to stomp out a lot of this [ __ ] that we've been experiencing for so long hopefully yeah I mean Bobby uh I really hope he's able to do some good things because he's certainly a man on a mission and a man who cares deeply yeah uh and I think really heroic how much he stood up for uh things that he didn't need to talk about you know that didn't help him in any way you know just he just took one Arrow after the other over it you know to me even if he was wrong which I don't think he was then it's heroic to do that yeah yeah and he wasn't wrong the thing is like I was I was a victim of that propaganda and I told him that when I met him and I had him on the show I said I always thought you were a cook I it always heard i' bought into it I just had this sort of cursory examination of what people were saying about you like oh that guy doesn't believe in vaccines he's a nut he's a some sort of an anti-science nut who's just a conspiracy theorist he's just like all these other nutty people right and then I read his book and I was like okay well this book is real why isn't he getting sued if it's not real if it's not real why is he getting sued why if if all these things he's saying about Anthony fouchy during the AIDS crisis if that's not true why is he not getting sued I would sue the [ __ ] out of him if he lied about me and said that I was vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them I would I would sue you if that was not true like hey you [ __ ] liar I never did that this is a lie you can't prove but it's not a lie and if it was a lie he'd get sued if being truth they just ignored it yeah but man that is a a heavy tone yeah oh my God there's some info in there just blew my mind you know
like the way fouchy was able to get these uh principal investigators from like all these respectable colleges and put them on these committees that ended up saying yeah this is the vaccine we'll use this is the we'll use a he started with the a thing oh yeah and uh you know a was known to be a highly toxic really ineffective drug yeah and of course but it was that was the one they picked and so they started using that again and I don't know how many people that killed that killed friends of mine you know Act was very toxic and they finally had to yank it yeah and now they use different chemical cocktails but like def fouchi did some extraordinarily evil [ __ ] and he knows what he did he he was the villain of the Dallas Buyers Club that movie that was about people trying to seek alternative treatments to deal with AIDS oh right right never that's fou right right right that's a yeah yeah Magic Johnson got on a and it was killing him and he got off of it yeah yeah yeah and he's still alive and he's still alive yeah yeah yeah it's a it's a bummer it's just a bummer that someone had that kind of power for so long it was such a [ __ ] monster yeah did you see that little meme that went around and it was right after he got first time anyone ever got pre- Parton yeah and he said nothing says TR nothing says trust science like a blanket pre picture of fou well the problem with that pre- Parton is he's pre- Parton federally but he's not pre- Parton statewise these states can still sue them not only that when you're pardoned then you can no longer um plead the fifth so you could be held for perjury so oh there's there's a lot of issues with being pardoned that I don't think Biden took into consideration or fouchy took into consideration either I think they just he just wanted anything to protect him because he knew it was coming he knew that they had I mean just the emails that were available that showed collusion where they he had gotten a hold of all these different researchers and changed their their perspective on whether or not it was a lab leak because through Eco Health Alliance they had funded gain of function research after Obama gain of
function that's what I was trying to okay yeah go ahead but gain of function is essentially taking a virus and making it more uh infectious to human beings weaponizing the virus yeah yeah the idea is to supposedly to study it but if you're studying it and you don't have a [ __ ] cure you've been studying this [ __ ] for so long and you don't have a cure like what are you actually doing well you're doing weapons research you know this is one of the things that bobb's talked about with Lyme disease you know where they tried to get him on Lyme disease which is a very funny uh grilling they say uh did you say that Lyme disease was a a leaked bioweapon he goes I probably did he did Plum Island they were [ __ ] researching whether or not they could infect bugs fleas and ticks and then dump them on populations to overwhelm their medical system and to use it as a bioweapon so we could invade easier yeah they did that we're the masters of War yeah uh but yeah that's a funny way good good impersonation by the way it's not hard yeah unfortunately poor Bobby I mean if really science wanted to come fix his [ __ ] voice man he if that guy had his old voice he'd be a lot more powerful it's like people dismiss miss him because his voice is hard it's it's hard to listen to sometimes yeah that condition he has you would think there'd be some way to address it but I don't know well he believes that condition came from the flu vaccine oh it's a side effect of flu vaccine you used to take a flu vaccine every year and so he developed this uh this voice problem and he believes it's a vaccine injury which is very ironic wow yeah didn't know that yeah yeah those [ __ ] things don't work either those things not and he's talked about that like even if it protects you from that one flu it makes you many more times more likely to catch other things you were [ __ ] around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs that have been the way they've studied them is filled with Shenanigans they might do 10 studies and one of them shows Effectiveness because they've rigged the study in a certain way and then they like he explained to me that the reason why they could say it's 100% effective was because one person got it in the
vaccine trial and two people got it in the placebo ex it's 100% 100% better you know yeah one is 100% better than two like what that's CRA no that's not 100% means nobody gets infected you [ __ ] [ __ ] that should be a law that should be a crime to explain things like that I had this guy on who was um he litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies particularly against Vio when uh they released this anti-inflammatory medication Vio and some 50 to 60,000 people died from it but a friend of mine got a stroke from Vio this this guy was saying that when like when you hear peer-reviewed studies when they do a vaccine study they don't or a pharmaceutical drug study they don't even give the peer reviewers the raw data they give the peer reviewers the data as it's been interpreted by the scientists who work for the pharmaceutical drug companies so they review it and then they give their version of it to these other scientists who are already on the payroll they're all NIH funded everybody's together everybody's all in the loop everybody's dependent upon whether or not they're going to receive grants and funding it's all based on fouchy and and that's how you find out whether or not something is good or bad it's all rigged and when he was explaining I'm like that can't be real and he's explaining to us showing us how it works and this it's corrupt it's fully completely totally corrupt and if anything Bobby can do it's make sure that we have valid studies valid real peer-reviewed studies on everything on everything that people are supposed to be taking let's find out what the [ __ ] is really good for cuz it's not like all pharmaceutical drugs are bad a lot of pharmaceutical drugs have helped people save people's lives enhance people's lives cure diseases there's a lot of stuff that's great let's find out what it is what's real and what's bad and why why you profiting off of [ __ ] that's killing people that shouldn't be so hard would he I'd vote for you dude oh I don't want to run for nothing no I know it'd be a step down why would you yeah just headache in your life but I'm just saying I would for you thanks that's [Laughter]
terrifying yeah you want to have those days where you just have a lion you know what I mean not getting up till maybe noon you can't have that if you were president you don't get one day like that no unless you're Biden I think he slept a lot but he wasn't really the president it's maybe yeah that's what's really wild I don't know man like I said I'm I'm encouraged and I also think things are going to get really weird with AI I think uh with uh Ai and especially when AI gets attached to Quantum Computing we're going to have uh an undeniable access to truth that's going to be very disconcerting to a lot of people we're going to have uh an understanding of the reality of the world that we live in that's going to be very undeniable and uh it's going to be strange and unfortunately there's going to be a lot of propaganda that's with that too because you know a lot of this AI is programmed by people so there'll be a battle of which AI is the most trusted and effective and and then the real fear is that AI governs us which is probably going to happen we're probably gonna probably more effective the government so far is really been subpar yeah I mean I don't I don't look at individual presidents because I just look at like overall the presidents have to bow down and Kiss the Ring no matter who it is you're not getting in there right so you know the last guy who didn't was probably John Kennedy you know but certainly even a guy like Carter who I love you know I consider the best you know everybody has to Kiss the Ring so he didn't kiss it enough that's why they got rid of him well he you know what he did he he Li he he levied a windfall profits tax on the oil companies cuz they were gouging they were making so much profit right yeah which happens all the time you know whether it be the oil companies or what you or the vaccine companies whatever these insane you know profits that are just you know they create some fear and then boom yeah they make a lot of money and so but he was bold enough to lay this this tax on them for their profit and that's what killed him he was there was no no way he was getting another term after that yeah it that's why and then it was after that that Oliver North
was uh vital and helping to kill that uh rescue attempt with the helicopter uhhuh and uh and also the conscious versus the San denas they selling crack in Los Angeles in order to uh fund all that [ __ ] all that stuff was going on at the same time absolutely I totally believe that oh it's a fact I had uh Freeway Ricky Ross the guy who went to jail for it uh on the podcast a few times oh was he the guy the plane he had the planes and he was fing no that was Gary web that was Gary Webb the guy was flying into me AR right yeah sick Gary oh no Barry seal Gary Webb was the uh reporter who committed suicide didn't he shoot himself in the head twice yeah that's right Barry seal thank you the first one would have slowed down the second bullet a little yeah a little bit right a little bit Yeah Yeah he was uh one of the main whistleblowers about that yeah there's um it's a sorted horrible history but Freeway Ricky Ross was unbeknowst to him was selling cocaine funding this war and he didn't even know what was going on until he went to jail he couldn't read went to jail became uh literate then became a lawyer in jail and then figured out that they tried him on the three strikes rule incorrectly got out of jail and uh yeah now he runs weed dispensaries in California really he's a great guy where does he live in he lives in La yeah oh he's a great guy connect me to him I want to meet him you know Rick Ross the rapper he stole his name from Freeway Rick Ross oh Rick Ross was a famous like Street gangster this famous street coke dealer who was making millions of dollars a week and couldn't read he was a tennis player a really good tennis player who then used the discipline of being a tennis player to become a very disciplined drug dealer ah yeah just like fizer disciplined drug dealer yeah and now he's uh now he's out and wonderful guy to talk to fun guy like very happy peaceful guy and I mean what a story learn how to read in jail and then realize that they [ __ ] him and then tried his own case and got out wow that's impressive yeah amazing amazing yeah my my daughter is a lawyer she's she's a public defender in Manhattan she loves it oh wow that's cool and so she's helping a lot of people who are at a kind of a pivotal point in their lives where it could just
be yeah you know and they can't get her unless they have no money you know what I mean so like they're already in Dire Straits and she she just she loves helping people man got she's she's an incredible kid I'm so proud of her that's amazing that's really that's a beautiful way to live your life and I'm like you're going to be a lawyer and then it's like oh a lawyer that makes no money bravo bravo isn't it crazy like we all think like you know lawyers are all evil no there's great lawyers my good friend Josh Dubin he used to work for the innocent project now he works with Ike pearlmutter and we've had a bunch of podcasts where we've highlighted innocent people who are incarcerated and just through this podcast we've got a bunch of people released dude that's doing something great yeah I mean he's amazing he's he's like completely dedicated his life to wrongly incarcerated people what's his name Josh Dubin where's he lived Florida he was a New York guy a moved to Florida fairly recently wow yeah great guy love him to death and does nothing but great work just helping people just constantly concentrating all these cases where it's like you know corrupt Das corrupt prosecutors corrupt judges it's like you know it's it's all over the place like one of the guys that Biden pardoned was one of the people that was involved in that uh kids for cash where they were uh putting kids in detention centers just for profit oh yeah you know that story right I'm not no I don't know there's a judge was it Pennsylvania yeah there's a judge in Pennsylvania that uh was making millions of dollars through um putting kids in detention centers and ruining kids' lives causing suicides deaths downward spiral of their life like wrongfully detaining them and and doing it for profit how is he getting a kick he's getting Kickbacks getting kickbacks from private prisons oh from private prisons yeah from private prisons from prosecutors from I mean I don't know exactly who was funding it but he was convicted and he's one of the guys Biden pardoned oh really it's sick that b pared like 8,000 people did he yeah he B he pardoned more more people than anybody which generally I'm a fan of pardoning people I think
most people are incarcerated for far too long I don't think it rehabilitates people I think it probably makes them more hardened criminals in most of the cases is a few cases where people decide to take a better path in jail and educate themselves and learn and come out a better person and I've met a lot of those people unfortunately I've met a lot of those people from Josh Dubin that were wrongly incarcerated and then came out these amazing incredibly intelligent really well read interesting people because they dedicated themselves to doing that while they were in jail because they realized like I did not commit this crime I'm forced into this situation what can I do to make better of my life while I'm here well I'm going to educate myself and I'm going to come out a better person that's great I by the way I wouldn't mind a pre paron just you do whatever you want whatever I got a pre- Parton dude there's a lot of people that got pre- partons they were like what how did Adam Schiff get a pre- Parton why is Liz Cheney got a pre- Parton like what what did you do what did you do that you need a paron also how it that's never happened before there never been a pre- Parton how can you pardon someone if they haven't been convicted of something well there's a lot of debate on the constitutionality of it too like whether or not that's even what the part were intended for and that was a thing during the 2020 like when when Trump was leaving the office you know there was talk about what if he pre- partons his family that would be outrageous and all the Democrats were against it and then of course when Biden did it everybody just shut up he pre- Parton his son from 201 what4 or something 11 oh what a good guy yeah that was necessary yeah that was a pre paron he was never charged seemed like a postp pardon at that point he was about to be charged and he was never what was Gerald for going to be charged org oh Watergate yeah that's another one the Watergate one's a weird one too cuz the the lead guy uh was an intelligence agent who was uh all of a sudden a reporter list George W bush gave some to the Iran Contra affair people talk
Casper B There You Go ABR lcol War Abraham Lincoln did during the Civil War President Abraham Lincoln preempted pardons part of the broader strategy to maintain National Unity okay extended to Confederate sympathizers and soldiers okay to as an incentive to lay down arms and support the union Jimmy Carter for the Vietnam draft guys yes well wow that was a good one there a few but not like the same reasons I remember I was a kid I was living in San Francisco when the Vietnam War end did my parents were hippies and we were living in like ha Ashbury like the the like down near Lumbard Street in the middle of like hippie San Francisco and I remember thinking as a little kid thinking wow finally the war's over I don't have to think about war anymore I'm like people are going to learn from this I really believe that you know you are you CU you're a hopeful person also I was 10 yeah or whatever I was those 10 year-olds I guess are pretty hopeful but yeah well you're terrified cuz I you know I had thought of the idea of being drafted like in eight years from now can I be drafted and have to go and fight for some [ __ ] insane war that makes no sense and if you don't they put you in a cage like that was the reality of life in the 1960s when they had conscription yeah that's scary [ __ ] man you know being forced to give up your life to go fight in some [ __ ] insane war that makes sense it's probably about heroin probably had a lot to do with heroin trade well yeah they say that that bombing in La was a lot of that on the hoan trade a lot of that had to do with that Avenue for heroin there yeah on that hoochi men Trail well how about Afghanistan yeah Afghanistan yeah that can't be a coincidence poppies there and poppies there not only that we were guarding poy fields we were CU they we needed these Farmers need to grow poppies is like this is how they make a living we got to help them we got to fight the Taliban then you know it's 90 plus% of the world's opium it's coming from this area like what 90% oh yeah yeah I think it's 94 I think it was 94% of the world's heroin was coming from Afghanistan while we were occupying Afghanistan really now where's it coming from probably Afghanistan still now it's safe secure I mean the Taliban were the
people that were against it which is wild 2021 Afghanistan produced more than 90% of the world's illicit heroin however Myanmar has since surpassed Afghanistan wow didn't Myanmar just have a giant coup didn't they have a military takeover of Myanmar I think they did I'm pretty sure because uh yeah yeah maybe it's follow the drugs instead of follow the money same thing maybe yeah uh Myanmar coup just write coup yeah four years after the coup atrocity crimes yeah four years after the coup chaos Reigns as Myan Mar's military struggles yeah they're probably taking control I mean if you've got a place where now they've taken over the heroin production of the world then all of a sudden you have a military coup shocking right crazy it does seem to follow along routes yeah it's just it's too many things to concentrate on that's the problem and we're all getting inundated every day with terrible news from all over the world and on one side it makes people more accountable because now you know all the terrible things that are going on all over the world but another thing it's like it's unmanageable if you're one human being living in Austin your phone is blowing up all day with atrocities that are happening all over the world you're like what can I do what is life everything's terrible meanwhile you go to the coffee shop everybody's nice you go to the go to the restaurant say hi to it's like my world seems pretty [ __ ] noral but it's but when you're inundated constantly so you're at this constant state of anxiety and weirdness and I know it's not a good thing but I think that's why I stay away from the media I don't read newspapers I don't you know I just try to stay away because it yeah it's that toxifying element you know it can really and and granted I it keeps me ignorant yeah but they do say ignorance is bliss and I feel pretty blistered so I mean well as long as somebody's paying attention I guess it's okay well I mean about some of these items we've been discussing you know I've actually you know studied this so so there's things but but there's other things that I just can't get hit every day with like 90 things that are so depressing you know do you go on social
media at all no I do have uh I have um you know uh what's the Zuckerberg uh no uh Instagram Instagram but because you know they they make you like you have to give us all your information and access to your picture so I can't personally get on the Instagram but if I have a picture I have to get someone else to post the picture yeah so that's probably healthier yeah huh that's probably healthier yeah yeah than being on it all the time cuz I know a lot of people that are on it all the time and they're it makes them sick it's like radiation poisoning yeah I'm uh pretty much never on it that's good but I should post more I I post like once every six months or something but no I I I don't know I I'd rather have an ALT to uh Instagram so how do you find out do you think of a good alt an ALT I don't know the problem is well X is what I use the most as far as like getting information but every now and then I'll go go on and watch people argue and see like this these toxic fights back and forth and that puts me in a shitty mood I'm like God damn why do people [ __ ] treat each other like this like it's like such a stupid way to communicate yeah you know that is it's so disheartening and it's also it amplifies the worst aspects of our society which is like shitty division it's like shitty division is what gets a lot of clicks you know partisan thoughts and and attacking people tribal thinking that's what gets the most clicks and that's what you see the most but there's enough of exposing of actual legitimate corruption and information about what's actually going on in the world that I get out of there that it balances it out for me to the point where I'm I'm willing to engage in it to a certain extent but I don't do it at night and I don't do it when I think it's going to like [ __ ] me up before I go to bed I don't I don't do it if there's anything I really have to concentrate on because I don't want some new Pathway to open up my mind where now I'm concerned about this you know yeah but you you know all of that adversity you face do you feel like it actually increased your popularity yeah yeah it definitely did yeah like during the covid stuff when I was they were trying to get me removed from Spotify in that one month I gained 2 million subscribers
oh really and the height of the attacks on me the the show got way bigger yeah so how many people listen to that Robert Malone show what you say that's a good question question between Spotify YouTube and all the clips [ __ ] who knows hundreds of millions probably oh great yeah a a good show that gets spread around like how many different eyeballs will see it I mean it really depends on how profound the person's Revelations are like what they're talking about like you know like the biggest one we ever did well some of the Elon well I think the biggest one we probably ever did was Bob Lazar is that number one close so the Bob laar one do you know who Bob Lazar is Bob Lazar is the guy that in 1989 he did an interview with George knp in Las Vegas and he said he was working back engineering UFOs for the government and he has this crazy [ __ ] story about working at area S4 uh site 4 and Area 51 in the Nevada desert which at that point in time the government would deny that area 51 even existed and he's like no I work out there and I was working back engineering propulsion systems from crashed UFOs and he was explaining how these things work and explaining how it's some sort of a gravity propulsion device that works completely different than any propulsion device that we've ever devised and that they're trying to back engineer them they don't know how to do it so they keep bringing in new propulsions experts so he was a guy that had previously worked at Los Alamos labs and uh then he gets a job and they they would they're event essentially throwing as much [ __ ] against the wall as possible trying to see what with sticks like can you figure this out and they're bringing in new people and he was brought in Apparently after allegedly after an accident where they tried to cut into the reactor and exploded and people died and so they said okay well that's not going to work let's try another method bring in some other people and he was one of the people they brought in and when you have top secret clearance what happens is they tap all your phones they listen to you all the time well he had this job where he couldn't tell his wife what he was doing so he would get this phone call saying that he has to fly out to Area 51 at like 11:00 p.m. so he would go to the
airport fly out and his wife was like this motherfucker's cheating on me so she starts [ __ ] her flight instructor she's got some flight instructor and so because his wife was having an affair and they knew it from the phone calls they thought that he was going to be emotionally unstable so they removed him from the project so he gets removed from the project and he says well I'm telling my friends so he goes to tell his friends like this is what I was doing I was working on these [ __ ] UFOs they have actual UFO that's the one that thing on the desk right there that's the recreation of what he called the sport model that they worked on that has this this Flying Saucer that's behind the antlers that's like the the three classic the Tesla 3 you know what I mean right if you were yeah the classic the py little sport model so uh he brings people out to to watch he said on Wednesday they have these flights and they test these things I'll take you guys out out to the desert he took them out the desert he takes them a couple times then he gets arrested so he gets arrested and he says they're going to [ __ ] kill me I have to go public so he goes public and tells the whole story and so he does these series of interviews with George knap who's an investigative reporter in in Las Vegas and they become legendary it's told the same story for now going on 40 years and it's insan still alive he's still alive yeah he did my podcast so he did the podcast and I don't know what to think I don't know if he's telling the trth or not it's it's hard to know but he's told the same goddamn story for all these years and he's obviously a brilliant guy when you talk to him he's obviously very literate in science really understands what he's saying and many of the things that he said from that particular interview have been corroborated by other people including his knowledge of Lo Alamos labs they tried to say he never worked there but they found him on the employee roster and he knows the building he took people into the building he took George Napp in there he knew the security guard you knew where to go showing everybody around the place and wow that's our biggest podcast ever cuz it's so [ __ ] nuts there's an incredible uh Jeremy Corbell did an
incredible documentary called uh Bob UF Bob Lazar uh Area 51 and flying saucers and it's all about his experiences there and it's one of those things where you just you don't know so you but it's God it's so weird it's like if this guy's telling the same goddamn story all and then they have all these videos of these things that the goast video and the Fleer video that the government's released that the were covered in the New York Times and these crafts are exhibiting the same sort of behavior that he was explaining in 1989 particularly and they they fly like this but then when they want to go fast they rotate sideways and point whatever this gravity propulsion whatever this thing is this generator and they shoot this way and take off and there's videos of these things doing this wow 40 years later unbelievable yeah so that's the biggest video I got a yeah so that video YouTube got 60 million views and then on all the other platforms who knows how many and all the clips it's probably hundreds of millions yeah bizarre but it's one of those things where you don't want to think too much about it because it might be [ __ ] you know that's how I feel about the whole UFO thing but what's what would be his point what's his motivation like that's a good question I don't see how it benefits him other than he's got now people calling him a wacko which he didn't have before so what's what's the good of it right that's a good well you always got to look at possible motivation well there's a lot of people that want to pretend to be special so they make up stories so that make them special they make up encounters they make up abductions I've been abducted by aliens I was Tak I'm a special person they took me AB have a message for Humanity there's a lot of that there's a lot of delusions that's a different thing right I mean a guy like that I don't see his you know if if that's what he actually did for a living then I don't see why benefits well one of the more interesting stories is this guy this is Travis Walton this guy's got a little bobblehead um Travis Walton was a guy I don't know if you ever saw that movie
Fire in the Sky it was based on a bunch of lgers in Arizona and uh they saw this thing land and this guy Travis Walton gets out of the truck and goes to it and gets blasted by this this bolt of energy collapses to the ground his buddies take off they're they're screaming in the car all these loggers like we got to go back and get them we got to go back and get him they turn around a mile later go back he's gone he's gone for five days and then he shows up back in the town five days later with this [ __ ] wild story of being abducted taken aboard this craft they healed his body and then they communicated with him and then returned him and the thing about it is like all these experiences these people talk about the exact same creatures they talk about the exact same entities these things with big heads and large eyes and spindly bodies and they're communicating telepathically it's like it's Universal it's like over and over again it's a very similar story and the problem is if it happened to you who the [ __ ] is going to believe you it's a unique experience a completely novel experience that only you have and then you have to go and try to make sense of it to other people that haven't experienced it and they're going to think you're [ __ ] crazy but if you have enough of these people that say the same story over and over and over again which is uh if you read John Mack he was a psychologist from Harvard that did a lot of hypnotic regression work with people that have had alien abductions and this guy was I read I read that did you ever read it's a crazy book I met him I met John did you really yeah when did you meet him I met him in uh at on the campus at Harvard oh wow you know I went to Harvard right yeah yeah I mean I I had a great night and then uh went back home no I uh I only visited there a couple times well I know you play really good chess I I did play chess Magnus Carlson told me H I had Magnus Carlson in a couple days ago he told me that you did one of his opening moves that you did it for him and he was like what the [ __ ] is he doing like he couldn't even figure out why you did the but he realized afterward like oh you're a really good chess player that was actually a legitimate move you did his opening right well yeah uh yeah I I did one time I did a opening for the other
guy uh what's his name anyway and I and I'm going to do this opening and at the same time I want to tip over with my pinky tip over the king just as a joke you know because you tip over the king the game's over right so I did that but but then and and and there was kind of a chuckle and everything and picked it up and then he he's looking quite concerned oh yeah this was it look he the lady is announcer yeah I hit I knocked it down and then I pushed it yeah slow it down you can see it but then I pushed the pawn right and then I real cuz I thought he said D4 right he didn't say D4 he said E4 so I'm looking at his face and he had whispered it to me into my bad ear and I'm like well why do you got to whisper I'm going to make the move anyway well Magnus said you stuck around and you played a lot of people and he said you were really good oh that's very nice coming from him Carlson wow yeah he's the Mozart man yeah fascinating guy he was here a couple days ago was he yeah yeah yeah I do admire him he's great and that whole thing you know that just happened with the jeans like that was great did you see it you know he went to he went to one of the big uh I forget which tournament it was but anyway came in jeans and they're very strict right and so they wouldn't allow him to play and then so he basically was going to end up sacrificing the day because he came in jeans right he said I just wasn't thinking about it you know well so then he just like you you though you'll have to come back tomorrow you're sacrifice for today he's like you know what I won't be back tomorrow and then boom they changed the rules oh wow they changed it yeah that's a stupid rule yeah who gives a [ __ ] if you're wearing jeans I know that a bikini a better or worse player yeah yeah it's stupid everybody should be able to have to play in their underwear that way you know they don't have any devices on them right you know you're not doing they could have it in them too they could so maybe you got to do rectal probing before this is full circle with the talking about the aliens but you know maybe you have to do something before well we got into very specific ways that people cheat it was pretty interesting he was talking to us about uh different ways that people have been busted
cheating different people signaling them in the room moving to different parts of the room if they wanted the piece to move in a different area I see yeah yeah yeah cuz see that one guy he said was cheating he he said he knew as soon as the move was made and then he walked out that was another time yeah he he just like there's no way this guy made this move no chance well that was what was fascinating that you could tell by the way a guy's playing that something was a miss that there was this is not inside of his capability he knew the way the guy played so well that you could tell that something was off which is so crazy which is I'm not literate in chess so I don't understand how you could do that but I believe him especially when you talk to him like well he's got a thumper in his sock or something you know somebody's given him a on a computer and then he thinks it's an internal ear like a very small invisible earpiece that they put is that he thought yeah yeah that's what he thinks he thinks that one of the possible methods and then then there was the anal beads people were talking about anal beads anal beads it's a guy don't want to Thumper in his sock he just wants to go pure ins side man yeah I guess it would like vibrate I guess you would do it like vibrate a certain amount of times first to indicate the letter and then couple times to indicate the number that's where the piece would go little More's cold in the re cavity yeah uh yeah how long you been playing chess I started I mean I started playing more probably like 10 years ago or maybe more than that I started playing Willie you know wow started playing Willie all the time but then we'd switch over back to Dominoes he crushes me in dominoes and then I was mostly winning chess and then toward the end of our uh battles he started switching to just you know what we'll just stay with the dominoes such a hustler such a hustler yeah I tried to interview him but he's scared of Co yeah old guy you know 92 can't take a chance getting infected and you know that a lot of old people I got it I got the fear because it's like death is close to them it's just they're too vulnerable I get it I get why they got roped into
it well yeah the the the fear of germs uh yeah that's that was the Neil Young thing too that's why I gave Neil Young a pass I was like get lot of people you still see wearing masks all the time even in Austin yeah I see them driving their [ __ ] car still with masks on yeah alone in the car with the mask that confuses me but you know like uh I fear is a fairly uh Relentless occupation for some and I I don't know I I just you know I studied the you know the germ Theory you you know how it came to be the backbone of Western medicine do you know the Rockefeller thing well that that yeah that came after this but yeah Rockefeller U pushed uh pushed that whole narrative but but it was uh before that in the 18 what was it 18 8887 or something 89 where uh Louie pastour stood before the French Academy of Science and said I've realized the origin of all disease and it's the germ Theory and he took credit for the germ Theory which of course had been around for centuries at that point but uh there was another guy named Antoine bamp who who was actually a Real Genius whereas Pastor was a charlatan and uh used to basically stole all these good ideas that he never had from Antoine bamp including how fermentation Works uh how they had they had diseases on in The Grapes of uh at the time so how to deal with that disease and also um having to do with uh uh you know uh with they make the the silk like silk worms and stuff they that also was another thing that b shamp figured out and then you know uh past who's on the same committee ends up reading these papers and basically kind of putting his own spin on it and getting credit for you know the fermentation silk worm the wi thing you know like each thing he becomes more and more famous and uh he until he's able to sit down in front of Napoleon and in 1863 Napoleon theii he said I I will eliminate all disease I will eradicate all human disease he was an arrogant guy and he was a complete fraud and and pasture believed The Germ Theory obviously that's the theory that he pushed right and then bamp believed in the terrain Theory now that's what I believe the terrain Theory the bur the the The Germ Theory obviously a pathogen a germ a virus whatever lands in your
corn flakes or on your eyeball or whatever it gets inside you right and then in this blank pristine blank slate environment it causes damage maybe sickness and eventually death to me it's I don't believe this Theory as much as uh I do the uh the terrain Theory which is that your health is dependent upon your internal biological terrain and your internal filthiness or cleanliness and so that's what I believe is where people's immune system gets messed up from what they're consuming and in a nutshell that's why I believe in B's Theory as opposed to The Germ Theory and at least it's got to be both at the very least it's got to be both I would imagine it's both um I mean what we know for a fact that one of the main factors in eliminating diseases in North America was when they started having hygiene and when they started having flowing water water and sewage systems and that just having cleanliness I mean most cities at the turn of the century were filled with filth I mean during the small poox epidemic people lived terrible they lived in filth when you had uh the uh various like there's a bunch of different diseases that could be attributed to poor hygiene poor hygiene uh no access to antibiotics no access to any kind of medicine and we all attributed that just to a disease broke out but why did the disease break out well the people are living in filth there there was no running water they didn't have any sewage systems they didn't have they didn't have any sort of antibiotics and including like like people talk about the Spanish Flu like if Spanish Flu broke out today we'd be [ __ ] no we wouldn't first of all we have antibiotics now Spanish Flu would be killed quickly it's the the real Factor was all the these diseases that people were getting because of the infection that could be cured by antibiotics but I'm not a big antibiotics guy at all no I mean I took them I took them one time I uh I credit them with really having saved me but uh oh they'll save you under certain conditions right right I if your immune system shot and there's nothing else you can do to bolster your immune system in the in in a in a short amount of time where the whatever is happening is happening quickly but you're saying
like ubiquitous use of antibiotics for everything yeah where it's just like it's like a Pez dispenser that you and and it and it does affect your immune system adversely especially continuous use of antibiotics it's also why we have Mera what Mera Mera is a medication resistant staff infections right yeah right and that's I've had a bunch of friends who get that because it's one of the side effect one of the uh unfortunate aspects of jiujitsu is a lot of guys get staff infections you know if you're not clean you're not taking care getting scratched and scraped up and you're on the ground dirty mats people come in dirty and you can get an infection I've had staff twice you get staff ringworm bunch of different things that people normally get on the mat but there's ways to combat that uh in in a healthy organic way and one of the best ways is the use of there's a bunch of different oils tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil a bunch of oils that don't affect your skin biome uh in a negative way but what they do is they protect you from bad diseases there's a company called defense soap and I always recommend it I don't have any affiliation with them my friend gu Sako runs the company but he developed it because a bunch of wrestlers and Grapplers were getting skin infections and so he developed natural remedies that are that don't affect your because a lot of times guys would take like antibiotic soap and they would clean themselves with antibiotic soap the problem with that is it kills all your Healthy Flora all the skin Flora that's healthy that gets torched too it's taking a blowtorch to you know like a small patch of weed so you could just pluck out and instead of doing that he developed this soap that uses all these natural uh organic remedies that you know doesn't affect you in a negative way at all it's the only soap use I use that soap every day and it keeps your skin healthy and it doesn't [ __ ] it up so there's ways around it the the real way is to prevent it though because once you actually get staff especially if it's aggressive you got to take antibiotics or you're [ __ ] well it gets systemic yeah my friend's wife uh oh sorry go ahead my friend uh his friend's wife rather died of it she
was trying to do it organically she was trying to like use Herbal Remedies and she W up dying of staff infection because systemic yeah gets gets into your blood and goes into your whole body and then you're [ __ ] you really have to get on a heavy hardcore IV antibiotics for long stretches of times I've had friends that have huge scars on their body because they got a massive uh Mera infection in their knees and then they they had to get it all opened up they have to clean it out and they have to get them on IV antibiotics it's a [ __ ] it's a nightmare and it's one of the main reasons why people die uh after surgeries it happens after surgeries where people get Mercer infections yeah well Jesus stay uh healthy yes stay healthy Woody yeah yeah do you eat only vegetables is that what you're talking about like meat are you a vegan I'm a vegan yeah yeah um but you know uh I mean I I really my my real belief is in raw living food uh because I feel like you know we we talk a lot about you getting your protein or you getting your carbs or whatever I think the most important component of the food are the enzymes the enzymes being the life force of the food and and the enzymatic activities your eyes blanking your heart beating those are enzymatic activities if it wasn't for enzymes we couldn't do them yeah like enzymes are highly important anything you cook over 118 degrees for a minute destroy the enzymes and most of the nutritional value of the food MH and that's why I'm a Believer in in raw living food and uh I just know from when I you know I've had lots of experiments from when I was doing it when I was eating a lot of cooked food and you know you can really feel the difference it's it's there's no question about it supporting the energy of the body better than anything but meanwhile I agree that it's it's very hard to avoid eating cooked food because it's delicious yeah but to have as much raw as possible that's my thing and I eat I I you know I take uh I try to get a lot of sprouts and micro greens and everything and and then you know I also eat you know cooked food do you take uh algae or anything where you're getting B vitamins do you think yeah I I take right I I do take uh I take nasin I take uh I should
take more of a comprehensive B vitamin probably but I I do take uh RI and I take uh Jin sing every day uh yeah so healthy mushrooms yeah I believe in the healthy mushrooms and I take all that stuff too yeah there's a cool yeah I I I got to get on the regular medicinal mushrooms those are crucial yes and especially brain repair which is I think something I need I think we all do fix those Pathways yeah that have been compromised do you ever [ __ ] around with neut Tropics do you take any neut Tropics like what uh neut Tropics are essentially nutrients that contribute to cognitive function uh building blocks for human neurotransmitters acetylcholine uh theanine things along those lines no I don't do that but no I'm I'm open-minded yeah I imagine uh Downey would know all about that stuff yeah I bet he would yeah yeah he's really really knowledgeable about that but you've studied this [ __ ] too yeah yeah the thing about it is like you could almost take stuff all day long there there's so many different things that could benefit you you would like you'd have to have like a [ __ ] stack of [ __ ] in front of you all day long which gets tiresome you know yeah I mean I'm much prefer I mean I think the best thing for um restoring health for if you're sick and you want to get better is fasting they've do for thousands of years and it just works it does because the the congestion in the body is really what disease is it's it's congestion and inflamation generally that but yeah inflammation you could call it that too but it's but that that congestion begins in the mhm and so you don't clean that out issues yeah do you concern yourself do you eat organic vegetables only yeah yeah that's that's huge because I mean I think what is it like 90 something percent of people tested have glyphosate in their system I was reading some study on [ __ ] um on Girl Scout cookies like how how many like they've done studies on Girl Scout cookies where they break them down find out what's in them holy [ __ ] they're [ __ ] toxic as [ __ ] soad yeah I'll send it to you Jamie I sent it to my wife cuz she she's trying to avoid Girl Scout cookies those smiling face of
scout you can imagine she's going to give you something back yeah those little Hustlers they they they catch you at the grocery store uh I'll find this for you Jamie there was uh this thing about oh here it is uh different seed oils all the different things in them this video yeah it's probably one of them what does it say here Thin Mints being the worst offenders five flavors of Girl Scout cookies contained SC back up back up contained levels of glyphosate and heavy metals above EPA water safety limits new investigation found 100% of tested Girl Scout cookies contain glyphosate 100% controversial herbicide and Roundup 88% contain toxic metals like arenic lead and Mercury key f ing Thin Mints had the highest glyphosate levels levels at 11.07 ppb uh 334 times what experts say is harmful peanut butter patties had the highest heavy metal contamination with lead reaching 42.5 ppb and aluminum at 27,500 PPP ppb PPM 76% of cookies tested exceeded cadmium safety limits and 96 contained lead that's wild girl scout USA which sells 200 million boxes per year $800 million in Revenue did not respond to researchers before publication I wonder why respond I wonder why I wonder why they wouldn't chime in that crazy see there you go and by the way that's that you could replicate this same thing in so much of the American diet what does girls cow cookies have to say girls cow cookies are made with ingredients that adhere to food safety standards set by the FDA and other relevant authorities oh really our trusted Bakers remain committed to compliance with all food safety standards maybe we should change the [ __ ] food safety standards just because you're complying with [ __ ] standards that's what I'm hoping is going to happen going forward I'm hoping too I think uh you know I don't know how much Bobby can affect things and what he actually can do but I know what he's trying to do and one of the main things he's trying to do this whole idea of this Maha movement make America healthy again and that's possible this is something we could do and it' be so nice dude and and and you know not a lot of
you know it could be relatively simple you know just modification doesn't have to be a revolution in one's diet but like you know first thing I do is cut out Girl Scout cookies that's my first it's crazy that 100% of them have glyphosate like [ __ ] a man well the glyphosate it's just absolutely crazy and and you know like it's just still we know how toxic and terrible it is and we're still using it constantly other countries aren't in corporate you know or industrial farming you know it's just wrong I know you're into regenerative farming I think that's great but but you know you see over the Long Haul the regenerative farmer gains he gains financially and he gains in terms of the soil not just turning to [ __ ] well yes you want some [ __ ] in your okay let's not get sidetracked but but yeah like you know it's a net gain in the end so hopefully it's carbon neutral everyone's trying to reduce carbon organic farms are carbon neutral because that's how nature intended animals to live that's how nature intended us to grow crops it's all supposed to be animals graze manure all this different stuff it helps of the soil biome just as much as you have to think of your own biome yeah and it all works together and thank God there's people out there like Joel Salon who runs polyface farms and Will Harris who runs White Oak pastors who' have educated these people and gone on written books and gone on these tours and explained to be like Will Harris who's been on the podcast a couple times like he spent 20 years changing his family farm which was a industrial Farm into regenerative agriculture culture and you can see the difference in the soil he we have two bottles of soil two glass bottles of soil out there one from an industrial farm and one from his farm and the his farm is dark and Rich and filled with nutrients and the other one is just pale and dead and just covered in [ __ ] [ __ ] chemicals and meanwhile that's the stuff that gets highly subsidized yes so yeah it's a catch 22 it there if the real value if the real expense of what what happens to that soil were were experienced by the American taxpayer I think there'd be a Revolt
well you never we're lazy people I'm a lazy bad well the real problem is we have so many people that need food and that we're relyant upon factory farming right now in in a large to a large extent because there's enormous populations of people that grow in a that live in a place where they grow nothing whether it's New York City or it's Los Angeles these Urban environments they need food constantly shipped into them and no one's growing anything and the population keeps booming and it's like you got to get these people food and we right now are dependent upon factory farming for a lot of that food well I wonder if you could through regenerative farming Co You Know cover it I wonder could that ultimately be yeah I wonder I think people are definitely going to have to change the way they eat it has to change well we at least have to change the way we Farm because otherwise we're going to have a you know just more desertification and but at least people are aware of it now at least there's more information and more education about that today than has ever been before I mean there was never a discussion when I was a kid I never heard anything about that it was just being done and this just you got food and you didn't think about where it came from and then the term organic came around like what's that like it's no pesticides like what's so what's what's on the food you know like we didn't know and if back then there was no access to any information other than mainstream media so it was pretty easy for them to keep going on with these practices without unless you went out and sought it out and went and found books or someone told you about a book you you you didn't know you didn't get that information I think more people have that information now than ever before so that's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful and I'm really and I think Bobby really does have enough idea of how to do this and I hope be successful yeah me too yeah me too listen brother it's been great talking to you I really appreciated it I I'm very happy to meet you um I've enjoyed your work for so many years so it's a pleasure to do this and pleasure is all mine dude I I really am it's it's a it's a privilege to be here with you
thank you for having me on my pleasure Let's uh break bread someday have a good time hang out okay I'll get your info you my email all right sounds good brother all right all right thank you very much thanks for being here thank you all right bye everybody [Applause] [Music]